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<v Speaker 1>London in January is a particular kind of dark. The

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<v Speaker 1>city doesn't go quiet, but it empties out in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way in the small hours of a winter morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The bus is then out, the straights narrow around a

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<v Speaker 1>few people still in them. Eight and a half mine

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<v Speaker 1>miles northeast of Chasing Cross lies Edmonton. It's a time

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<v Speaker 1>that most Londoners have driven through without stopping, crossed in transit,

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<v Speaker 1>glimpsed from a boss or the elevated sections of the

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<v Speaker 1>A four oh six. It sits in the London borough

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<v Speaker 1>of Enfield, and it isn't a glamorous part of London.

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<v Speaker 1>Edmonton has a long history as a settlement, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties it had become a popular North shopping destination,

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<v Speaker 1>but the decades that followed weren't kind to it. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, the town was substantially redeveloped.

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<v Speaker 1>The old street patterns disrupted, tar blocks erected a large

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<v Speaker 1>indoor shopping center built at Edmonton Green that pulled what

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<v Speaker 1>retail life remained away from the older roads. By the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties it was a working class area. Silver Street,

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<v Speaker 1>which ran east to west through Upper Edmonton had once

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<v Speaker 1>been part of the A four oh six before road

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<v Speaker 1>reconfiguration shifted the main traffic flow and left it running

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<v Speaker 1>parallel to the new alignment. The stretch of road now

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<v Speaker 1>called Sterling Way, where Silver Strait meets the junction of

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<v Speaker 1>the North Circular carried the through traffic. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>place where you would choose to be alone at nearly

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<v Speaker 1>two in the morning in January. The night of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh of January nineteen ninety seven was cold. The

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<v Speaker 1>temperature had dropped through the evening, and the straits around

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<v Speaker 1>Sterling Way were largely empty. A driver was coming along

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<v Speaker 1>the North Circular Road that night when he saw flames

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<v Speaker 1>in the distance. As he drew closer, he could see

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<v Speaker 1>a figure on the grass verge at the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the road. It was a man, and he was on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He was pulling in his own clothing, trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>them from his body, staggering and stumbling in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Tachi Manson was born in Moscow in July of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six. He was the son of a Ghanian diplomat.

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<v Speaker 1>His father, Alfred Manson, was posted to the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and so Michael's earliest years were shaped

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<v Speaker 1>or shaped by the grey corridors of Cold War diplomacy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a life that was defined by movement, adoption,

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<v Speaker 1>and the particular resilience required of children raised at the

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<v Speaker 1>edges of other countries. Alfred's work took the family across

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<v Speaker 1>a number of different countries before they eventually settled in

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<v Speaker 1>the United Kingdom in nineteen sixty eight, when Michael was

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<v Speaker 1>just two years old. He was the seventh of eleven children,

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<v Speaker 1>and by all accounts, the Menson household was a close one.

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<v Speaker 1>As one sibling would later recall, they were a quiet

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<v Speaker 1>family in their way. They didn't do a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>outside the home, but they entertained each other. Michael's sister

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<v Speaker 1>Essie roma for a long time, we only spoke gannion

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<v Speaker 1>at home. It was also a religious household. My mother

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<v Speaker 1>was a Methodist, so we all went to church and

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<v Speaker 1>we all sang in the choir. The siblings became accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>choristers and joined the English National Opera, touring the country

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<v Speaker 1>performing in productions of Dare Rose and Cavalier. Michael's brother

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<v Speaker 1>Quezi remembered it was a first real experience of London,

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<v Speaker 1>being up in the city, being up there at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael did well at school. He studied a levels of

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<v Speaker 1>Brent College and went on to obtain higher national qualifications

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<v Speaker 1>in microelectronics at Middlesex Polytechnic. He was bright, and quiet

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<v Speaker 1>and diligent, and for a time it seemed to his

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<v Speaker 1>future lay somewhere in the orderly world of engineering and electronics.

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<v Speaker 1>But London in the late nineteen eighties had other ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>It was during Michael's college years that the dance and

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<v Speaker 1>Ray of Seine began to quietly run through the Capitol,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael's love for dance music was born. He became

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<v Speaker 1>a regular DJ, drawn into a world that felt very

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<v Speaker 1>different from the one he had been raised in. Alongside

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<v Speaker 1>his friends Carl Brown and Lee Guest, he formed a

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<v Speaker 1>group called Double Trouble. They were producers and DJs in

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<v Speaker 1>the hip houset scene, and they caught the attention of

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<v Speaker 1>the Desired label. Their collaborations with the Rebel MC produced

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<v Speaker 1>two records that broke through in nineteen eighty nine, Just

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<v Speaker 1>Keep Rocking, which reached number eleven on the UK Singles charts,

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<v Speaker 1>and Street Tuff, which climbed to number three and became

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest hit of their careers. Street Toff also became

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<v Speaker 1>a top ten hit across several European countries. The three

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<v Speaker 1>men traveled around Europe, and they appeared on Top of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pops, performing on a stage that millions of households

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<v Speaker 1>tuned into every Thursday evening. Michael's family was surprised and delighted.

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<v Speaker 1>His sister Essie later recalled watching him in those moments

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<v Speaker 1>and being struck by how alive her brother seemed, how

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<v Speaker 1>inclusive and joyful. Michael wanted his success to include the family,

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<v Speaker 1>she said. He wanted to make sure the music career

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<v Speaker 1>he was building was still in line with who they were,

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<v Speaker 1>with their values. She remembered herself and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>siblings going to his recordings. She said Mike felt very

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<v Speaker 1>strongly about getting recognition, not just for himself, but for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole family. He saw himself as a representative of

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<v Speaker 1>his culture. Double Trouble released their debut album as One,

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<v Speaker 1>which spawned further singles including Don't Give Up and Take Back,

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<v Speaker 1>But the momentum that had carried them into the charts

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<v Speaker 1>began to slow, as it so often does. The recession

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<v Speaker 1>hit in the early nineteen nineties, and their last track

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<v Speaker 1>made it only to sixty six in the charts. They

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about a set second album, but it never materialized.

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<v Speaker 1>The band then broke up in nineteen ninety three. For Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>the years that followed were difficult ones. He suffered a

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<v Speaker 1>mental breakdown and was subsequently diagnosed and traded for schizophrenia.

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<v Speaker 1>The condition was serious and unpredictable, and it changed the

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<v Speaker 1>shape of his life considerably. From nineteen ninety one onwards,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in and out of hospital and his social

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<v Speaker 1>world contracted around him. He was sad and confused by it,

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<v Speaker 1>one family member said, desperate to get back on track,

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<v Speaker 1>always apologizing, but his sister said that he was always

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<v Speaker 1>determined that his mental health problems would not defeat him.

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<v Speaker 1>He remained close to his family throughout all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That much never changed. Whatever the illness had taken from him,

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<v Speaker 1>the career, the certainty, the forward momentum of a young

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<v Speaker 1>man who had once stood on a BBC stage at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of twenty two. It didn't take that. Over

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas nineteen ninety six, Michael stayed with family members. When

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<v Speaker 1>he left them after the holiday, they described him as

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<v Speaker 1>upbeat and lively. It was the last Christmas the family

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<v Speaker 1>would ever spend together. The night of the twenty seventh

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<v Speaker 1>of January nineteen ninety seven was cold. Michael had been

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<v Speaker 1>given lay from Chase Farm Hospital and he was staying

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<v Speaker 1>at Holden Lodge, a supported housing unit in North London

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<v Speaker 1>where he had recently moved. That night, at about ten pm,

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<v Speaker 1>his sister Chay pound him to tell him a message

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<v Speaker 1>had come through from the hospital. He was needed back

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<v Speaker 1>for a ward rund. It was a routine thing. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had made the journey countless times. So he left Holding

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<v Speaker 1>Lodge and he caught a bus somewhere along the way. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he boarded the wrong bus. He ended up getting off

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<v Speaker 1>in Edmonton, in North London, not where he was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to be. There were four men on the bus. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them had been wearing a black leather jacket. When

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<v Speaker 1>Michael got off the bus, they followed him. He remembered

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<v Speaker 1>leaning on the gates of a church and then he

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<v Speaker 1>felt something on his back. They had robbed him first,

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<v Speaker 1>then doused him inflammable liquid and set him on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael managed to stagger more than three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>yards while on fire before collapsing semi conscious on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>He had ripped off all his burning clothing and left

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<v Speaker 1>behind a trail of charred flesh and clothing. At around

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<v Speaker 1>one forty in the morning, an off Judy firefighter was

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<v Speaker 1>driving home along the North Circular Road when he came

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<v Speaker 1>across a man burning at the roadside near the junction

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<v Speaker 1>of Sterling Way in Silver Street. He stopped immediately, dampened

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<v Speaker 1>out the flames and called nine one one. Michael had

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<v Speaker 1>sustained full thickness third degree burns to thirty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>his body, his black, his bodocks, his upper thighs. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in severe shock. An ambulance arrived and Michael was

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<v Speaker 1>taken to North Middlesex Hospital before being transferred to the

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<v Speaker 1>Regional Burns Unit at a nearby hospital where the severity

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<v Speaker 1>of his injuries could be better treated. But then something

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<v Speaker 1>went wrong, not with Michael's treatment, but with everything around it.

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<v Speaker 1>The two police officers who had attended the scene didn't

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<v Speaker 1>treat the circumstances of Michael's discovery as suspicious. They assumed,

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<v Speaker 1>without investigation that Michael had set fire to himself. He

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<v Speaker 1>told them that he had been attacked. The officers left

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. When Michael was taken the hospital. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>cordon off the area, they didn't preserve the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>They said in motion, no investigation whatsoever. Because Michael was

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<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric patient. The police had concluded that the injuries

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<v Speaker 1>must have been self inflicted. That assumption had been made

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark at the roadside in minutes, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would prove extraordinarily difficult to dislodge. Meanwhile, at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was conscious. He underwent skin grafts and operations. His brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Questy was able to visit him in the hospital. He

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<v Speaker 1>found Michael lying on his back in his hospital bed, awake,

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<v Speaker 1>alert and lucid. Michael told them he had been attacked

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<v Speaker 1>by some boys near a phone box. He had tried

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<v Speaker 1>to put himself out. He had rolled around on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>He then asked his brother, why did they do this

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<v Speaker 1>to me? Despite the pain and the trom Michael appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be optimistic about his recovery. Michael's brother telephoned Edmonton

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<v Speaker 1>Police station that same morning and told them what Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had said, that he had been attacked by four white boys.

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<v Speaker 1>That evening, another sibling called the hospital and spoke with

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<v Speaker 1>Michael directly. He was in pain, but he was coherent.

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<v Speaker 1>He described the boss, four white boys, the one in

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<v Speaker 1>the black leather jacket. The family told the police. In hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael repeated the same account to nurses. He told at

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<v Speaker 1>least six people he had been set on fire by others.

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<v Speaker 1>A policewoman he spoke to at the scene didn't pass

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<v Speaker 1>that information to anybody for a fortnight. At no point

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<v Speaker 1>did Detective Inspector Williams or any other officer take a

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<v Speaker 1>formal statement from Michael Manson, despite the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>was alive and speaking and asking to be heard. The

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<v Speaker 1>family begged police to take a statement from him. They refused.

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<v Speaker 1>The police didn't coordinate off the area where Michael had

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<v Speaker 1>been attacked. There were no forensic clothes to recover because

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<v Speaker 1>no one had thought to preserve them. On the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of the third of February, Michael seemed cheerful and relatively well,

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<v Speaker 1>but later that day he developed sept to see me you,

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<v Speaker 1>He suffered a heart attack, and then he fell into

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<v Speaker 1>a coma. Ten days later, Michael was dead.

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<v Speaker 1>The Manson family were repeatedly told that Michael had set

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<v Speaker 1>fire to himself. They didn't accept it. Initially, police told

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<v Speaker 1>them that they had so many leads they didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>by the police's apparent unwillingness to haunt Michael's killers. As

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<v Speaker 1>Letters between police and solicitors made it clear that officers

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<v Speaker 1>treating the circumstances as suspicious. The family submitted a formal

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<v Speaker 1>complaint to the Police Complaints authority. They pushed, they organized,

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<v Speaker 1>They refused to be moved. As sister Alex remarked in

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<v Speaker 1>He died in the most painful and ghastly way. In March,

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<v Speaker 1>police finally announced that they were training Michael's death as

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<v Speaker 1>that it was self inflicted. Nevertheless, they appealed to the

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<v Speaker 1>public for any information. Scotland Yard said it has now

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<v Speaker 1>minutes when he was found, they admitted that they never

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Michael before he died. This posed a significant problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike formal police statements, statements to family wouldn't have as

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<v Speaker 1>much weight in a courtroom. Michael's family, meanwhile, were searching

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<v Speaker 1>Alex said, we know it was late, but surely someone

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<v Speaker 1>do so. The family's leaflet campaign drew some attention, but

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<v Speaker 1>the silence that surrounded Michael's death was beginning to fail,

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<v Speaker 1>less like an absence of witnesses and more like an

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<v Speaker 1>absence of will. It was impossible by the spring of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven to look at the Menson case and

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<v Speaker 1>not see the shadow of another case that was falling

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<v Speaker 1>across it. Four years earlier, eighteen year old Stephen Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast London by a gang of white youths. The investigation

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<v Speaker 1>that followed had been mored by a series of failures,

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<v Speaker 1>and for years his family had campaigned against a wall

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<v Speaker 1>of official indifference racist attacks against young black men had

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<v Speaker 1>been increasing in London throughout the early nineties, and anger

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Metropolitan Police had been building steadily. The parallels

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<v Speaker 1>between the two cases weren't abstract, they were structural. A

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<v Speaker 1>the police had failed to act with urgency or competence.

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<v Speaker 1>The family had been left to push for answers themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Every mistake and assumption made by the Metropolitan Police in

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<v Speaker 1>the Lawrence case had been repeated in the Men's inn case.

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<v Speaker 1>Same institution, same failures, different victim, different family left to

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<v Speaker 1>carry the weight of it. The Mensons later said that

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<v Speaker 1>officers refused to give them basic information about what had

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Michael, or any news of how the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>was processing. As in the Laurence case. They dismissed the

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<v Speaker 1>police's family lays on as little more than tea and sympathy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Michael's sisters described the experience plainly, it felt

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<v Speaker 1>like police were saying you don't matter, and Michael doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what drove us on. The Menson family pushed on regardless.

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<v Speaker 1>They kept the case visible in any way that they could,

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<v Speaker 1>and through the spring and summer of nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>they waited for something to break. Nothing did. Then, in

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<v Speaker 1>October of nineteen ninety seven, another young man died in

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<v Speaker 1>London following a racist attack Lackville. Their real known as Ricky,

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<v Speaker 1>He had been with friends in Kingston upon Thames Town

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<v Speaker 1>Center when they were racially abused. His friends were able

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<v Speaker 1>to regroup, but Ricky never did. Seven days later, his

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<v Speaker 1>body was recovered from the River Thames. The Metropolitan Police

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<v Speaker 1>deemed the racist attack unrelated to his death and initially

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<v Speaker 1>closed the case as an accidental death. Three racist attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>three young men, three investigations undermined from the start by

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<v Speaker 1>the same assumptions, the same dismissals, the same institution. Anger

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Metropolitan Police was becoming palpable across London. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence case had exposed the rot. The Menson Unrail cases

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<v Speaker 1>were making clear that nothing had changed. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety seven, the Manson family were no closer

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<v Speaker 1>to answers than they had been the mourning that Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was attacked. The investigation remained, in all practical terms, a suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>inquiry wearing the clothing of a murder one, the police

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<v Speaker 1>had continued to do very little. In August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, Scotland Yard announced they were going to re

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<v Speaker 1>examine unsolved murder cases and unexplained deaths with a possible

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<v Speaker 1>racist motive. This decision had been made in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found that the Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 1>Police's initial investigation into his murder was marred by professional incompetence,

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<v Speaker 1>institutional racism and a failure of leadership. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>cases they were going to be investigating was Michael Manson's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>They set up a one million pound task force. Local

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<v Speaker 1>communities were briefed on confidential aspects of the murder cases.

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<v Speaker 1>An advisory group was created to advise on race matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Assistant Commissioner Dennis O'Connor, who was in charge, announced the

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<v Speaker 1>Lorren's inquiry has raised the question of weather racism played

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<v Speaker 1>a part and that is sufficient for us to think

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<v Speaker 1>we have to operate differently in the future. The following month,

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<v Speaker 1>it was announced that four senior Scotland Yard officers were

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<v Speaker 1>under investigation. The four officers under investigation were those who

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<v Speaker 1>had handled the initial response to Michael's attack in the

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<v Speaker 1>early hours of the twenty seventh of January nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the officers who had stood at the roadside,

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<v Speaker 1>looked at a burning human being, and then decided he

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<v Speaker 1>had done it to himself. Their decisions in those first

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<v Speaker 1>hours had shaped everything that followed. The loss of the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene, the absence of forensic evidence, the failure to

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<v Speaker 1>take a statement from a conscious, speaking yet dying man.

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<v Speaker 1>The police had been working against the family from the

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<v Speaker 1>very beginning. The inquest opened at Hornsey Coroner's Court on

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh of September nineteen ninety eight. The questions before

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<v Speaker 1>the jury were stark. Had Michael Manson been failed by

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<v Speaker 1>of first contact. Had the officers approached him the same

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<v Speaker 1>way officers had approached to Stephen Lawn's case. What if

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Manson had been white? Would he have been treated differently?

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the proceedings, the police pushed to convince the jury

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<v Speaker 1>that Michael had set fire to himself, even as every

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<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence that emerged pointed in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Chief Inspector Robert Scott said that there was an

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<v Speaker 1>even circumstantial evidence to support that Michael had been attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, not one witness of any substance has been found.

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<v Speaker 1>We have found no evidence to consider a prosecution of

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<v Speaker 1>any kind. They went so far as to challenge their

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<v Speaker 1>forensic scientist specializing in foreign explosion investigations. Monday testified that

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the burns found on Michael, the way

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<v Speaker 1>the flames had spread was consistent with his jacket having

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<v Speaker 1>been ignited by a naked flame while he was lying

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<v Speaker 1>entirely eliminate the possibility that Michael had lit the back

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<v Speaker 1>of his own clothing, to do so while lying down

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<v Speaker 1>would have been unique in his professional experience, the scenario

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<v Speaker 1>that police had maintained for over a year, the one

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<v Speaker 1>they had told the family, the coroner and the press,

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<v Speaker 1>was quite possibly physically implausible. Monday also told the Inquest

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<v Speaker 1>had informed the police that, in his view, the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>should be treated as suspicious. The police had been told it,

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<v Speaker 1>yet they did nothing with it. A week before the

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<v Speaker 1>inquest opened, Deputy Assistant Commissioner John Townsend had written to

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<v Speaker 1>the family staring, despite a very thorough investigation, we are

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<v Speaker 1>still uncertain about how Michael came to be found on far.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter arrived while the family was preparing to finally

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<v Speaker 1>have a jury hear the truth. During the inquest, consultant

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist doctor Rajiev Sharma said that he had diagnosed Michael

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<v Speaker 1>as schizophrenic, but said he wouldn't have said he was

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<v Speaker 1>a major suicide risk. He said that Michael had spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about suicide in the past and said that ghosts had

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<v Speaker 1>suggested he'd take his own life, but he was adamant

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<v Speaker 1>he would never hurt himself. He had said, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>got it in me. I couldn't do it. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to live. On the sixteenth of September nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 1>after just over a week of evidence, the jury at

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<v Speaker 1>Hornsey Coroner's Court returned a unanimous verdict of unlawful killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's family wept and hugged one another. They immediately demanded

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<v Speaker 1>to know why police had waited so long before deciding

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate. Guessie said, how is it that a black

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<v Speaker 1>Man tells a number of police when he is found

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hours before an initial investigation is attempted. Despite the findings,

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<v Speaker 1>the coroner, doctor William Doeman, said the police shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>blamed for failing to find Michael's killers. The reactions from

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<v Speaker 1>sections of the police was immediate and reveiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott, who had led the original investigation, gave an interview

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<v Speaker 1>to Channel four News on the day of the verdict

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<v Speaker 1>and said that despite everything, he still believed that Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had killed himself. A representative from the Police Federation, Mike Bennett,

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<v Speaker 1>who hadn't attended the inquest and hadn't heard any of

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence, criticized the verdict. He alleged that the family

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<v Speaker 1>had crowded out the proceedings and intimidated the coroner, and

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<v Speaker 1>said that the whole thing stinks. The family solicitor Mike Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 1>was also interviewed. He pointed out that Mike Bennett had

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<v Speaker 1>been proven wrong and that he hadn't even been present

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<v Speaker 1>for the evidence. Bennett then criticized Schwartz and insulted the family.

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<v Speaker 1>As for the four Scotland Yard officers under investigation. They

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<v Speaker 1>were given words of advice. In the hours after the verdict,

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<v Speaker 1>the Metropolitan Police issued a statement admitting that serious mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>had been made, but confined their admission to the first

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hours of the investigation. Michael's sister later reflected on

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<v Speaker 1>that phase sixteen months of a man lying dead, no arrests,

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<v Speaker 1>no crime scene, no statement ever taken, and the institution

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<v Speaker 1>responsible had chosen to draw a line at twelve hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It was as though everything that had followed those twelve

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<v Speaker 1>ours had been acceptable. It wasn't. That verdict forced the

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<v Speaker 1>Metropolitan Police's hand. They could no longer maintain publicly or

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<v Speaker 1>legally that Michael had set fire to himself. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>institution that had spent almost two years obstructing the truth

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<v Speaker 1>was required to find it. The family solicitor wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>Home Secretary Jack Straw and a meeting followed. Operation Chichester

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<v Speaker 1>was created and the case was handed to the Racial

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<v Speaker 1>and Violent Crimes Task Force at Scotland Yard for reinvestigation. Understandably,

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<v Speaker 1>the family didn't want the Metropolitan Police handling the case.

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<v Speaker 1>The existing inquiry was halted while the new investigation got underway.

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<v Speaker 1>At an initial meeting between the family and senior officers.

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy Commissioner John Stevens issued a formal apology on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>family had received in almost two years. The new investigation

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<v Speaker 1>was led by Deputy Assistant Commissioner John Greeve, the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Racial and Violent Crimes Task Force. For the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, police openly stated that Michael's death was being

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<v Speaker 1>investigated as a racially motivated attack and that a number

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<v Speaker 1>of suspects had been identified. That shift in language was significant.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an acknowledgment that had been withheld from the

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<v Speaker 1>family since the night Michael was found. Gravesteam began by

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<v Speaker 1>going back through the two hundred statements that had been

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<v Speaker 1>collected during the initial investigation. What they found was damming.

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<v Speaker 1>The statements had never been properly assessed and hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>original suicide assumption, no one had treated them as material

418
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<v Speaker 1>to a murder inquiry. Now, working through them properly for

419
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the first time, a pattern began to emerge. One witness

420
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 1>said she saw Michael attacked in Kendall Parade and then

421
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>chased to nearby Silver Street. The investigation had focused on

422
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Kendall Parade, where Michael was found. Detectives learned about a

423
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 1>group of three individuals who lived close to where Michael

424
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>had been attacked, and one name kept appearing given by

425
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>different witnesses at different times, independently of one another, twenty

426
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>six year old Harry Constantinou. In January of nineteen ninety nine,

427
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Michael's family were invited to appear on BBC one's Crime Watch, but.

428
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 4>At his inquest, the coroner recorded unlawful killing and the

429
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 4>case was passed to the Met's new Racial and Violent

430
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<v Speaker 4>Crime Unit. Michael's brother and sister are here along with

431
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:16.079
<v Speaker 4>the Deputy Assistant Commissioner, John greeb Crazy. I know that

432
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<v Speaker 4>you were with your brother in hospital two weeks after

433
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 4>the incident. He died two weeks later. You managed to

434
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 4>get a bit of information from him. What did he

435
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 4>tell you?

436
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 5>Michael was able to tell us that he had been

437
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 5>on a bus and taken the underground in Edmonton at night,

438
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 5>and he may have been followed by three or four

439
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 5>white youths and that he was attacked by the issues

440
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 5>near some phone booses by sweet By Sweetbriar Walk.

441
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 6>Did he explain how he was attacked? What happened?

442
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 5>He said that Michael was a very very quiet and

443
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 5>peaceful and family centered man. And he said he didn't

444
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 5>approach them, He didn't say anything to them. They had

445
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 5>attacked him totally unprovoked.

446
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 6>What else did he tell you?

447
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 5>He asked me, why did they do this to it?

448
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 6>So you say he was a very quiet man? Was

449
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 6>he aloneer.

450
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 5>Who was just quiet? And he was happy to be

451
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 5>him with his family and his friends.

452
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 6>So it was an unprovoked attack.

453
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<v Speaker 5>It was totally unprovoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's siblings sat alongside Grave and made a direct appeal

455
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 1>to the public for information. Witnesses started to come forward.

456
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Naken said that twenty five year old Mario Perira

457
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>had told him that he was in a car with

458
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Constantinou and twenty four year old Osgae Sivat when they

459
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>poured flammable liquid over Michael. Another witness, balj At Sok,

460
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 1>said that Perira had told him the attack was meant

461
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>to be a joke. In March of nineteen ninety nine,

462
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the family and campaigners leaflited the area where the suspects

463
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 1>were known to live, appealing for further witnesses to come forward.

464
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 1>It was a kind of grass to persistence the family

465
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>had maintained since the very beginning. Detectives put Constantinou under surveillance.

466
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 1>They watched him, they followed him, and then, having built

467
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>en off of a picture of his movements and associates,

468
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>they applied for authorization to go further. A listening device

469
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 1>was planted inside Constantinou's flat. What followed over the weeks

470
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that the bog was active was a window into the

471
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.319
<v Speaker 1>private world of men who had believed for over two

472
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 1>years that they had gotten away with it. They spoke freely.

473
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>They had no reason not to. The police had told

474
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>them as much, not in words, but in everything they

475
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 1>had failed to do since January nineteen ninety seven. The

476
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>recordings captured Constantinu and Perira discussing the murder. They referred

477
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 1>to Michael as the burned geezer. Perira voiced concern about

478
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 1>whether forensics evidence could link him to the crime. He

479
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 1>appeared nervous as he said, they can find out whether

480
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I touched him from my clothing, If my clothing touched

481
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 1>against him, Constantino reassured him they can't prove nothing. And

482
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>when the subject of what they had done to Michael

483
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>came up, Pereira's response was recorded clearly so what he

484
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 1>was black. It was the same logic that had animated

485
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.519
<v Speaker 1>the attack, the same logic that had for two years

486
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>animated the investigation. In another conversation, Constantino reflected on what

487
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>had happened. He said, I told them not to do it.

488
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>He was walking along, he had his head down, he

489
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>was dragging his feet. They approached him. I got out

490
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>of the car and I goes to them, leave him alone,

491
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Leave the gazer alone. Mario kept going on about he's

492
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 1>a black, let's burn him and all that. What could

493
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I do? What the recordings also confirmed, and what operation

494
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Chichester's review of the original statements had already begun to suggest,

495
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>was the sequence of events on the night of the

496
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh of January nineteen ninety seven. Conflicting accounts exist

497
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>as to whether the group were on the same boss

498
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 1>as Michael or arrived separately. Michael believed they were on

499
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 1>the bus. However, they came across him. What followed was

500
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>deliberate and premeditated. Pereira, Savad and Constantin who came across

501
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Michael alone that night. They hurled racist abuse at him

502
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>before assaulting him and stealing his bag and walkman. Perreira

503
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and Savad then made an initial attempt to set Michael

504
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 1>on fire, but they failed. The three men then went

505
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>back to Perreira's home nearby and picked up some white

506
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>spirit They then returned to the area to look for Michael.

507
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 1>When they found him, Career poured an acceleran over Michael's

508
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>blue an Iraq Savat lit it. Michael was on fire.

509
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>He staggered to a telephone box on Sterling Way and

510
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>tried to press himself against the perspects doors to smother

511
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 1>the flames. The fire was so intense that it partially

512
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>melted the perspects. He couldn't put the flames out, so

513
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he ran. He left a trail of burnt flesh and

514
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 1>clothing behind him on the pavement as he went running

515
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 1>down Silver Street, pulling at his clothes trying to get

516
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>them off his body. That was where the off duty

517
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>firefighter found him on a grass verge, still burning, still

518
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>fighting for his life. The three men who had done

519
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>it walked away, One of them, Osgae Savat, left the

520
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>country within days of the attack, he fled to North Cyprus,

521
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>where he had family, apparently confident that the distance would

522
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>be any The United Kingdom had no extradition agreement with

523
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the Turkish shiprate authorities, him would depend entirely on cooperation,

524
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>on goodwill, on the willingness of another jurisdiction to act,

525
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>where the Metropolitan Police had not. Back in North London,

526
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the recordings from Constantinu's flat had given Graves to him

527
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>what they needed. On the ninth of March nineteen ninety nine,

528
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Harry Constantinou and Mario Pereira were arrested and taken to

529
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Edmonton Police station. Constantinu, when he was interviewed, admitted to

530
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>having taken part in the attack on Michael, but denied murder. Parira,

531
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>even when the recordings were played to him, directly denied

532
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>any involvement at all. Another man, fifty year old who's

533
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 1>saying Abdullah, was also a He hadn't been present during

534
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the attack itself, but was charged with perverting the course

535
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of justice for his role in obstructing the inquiry in

536
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the years that followed. He knew about the murder, he

537
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 1>had been recorded speaking about it in the flat, yet

538
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 1>he didn't go to police. Constantino and Praira were charged

539
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 1>with murder. Three men were behind bars, but detectives weren't

540
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>finished with the fourth. In Cyprus, detectives moved to bring

541
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Savat to justice through a different route. Entirely senior British

542
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>officers delivered copies of all their paperwork to the Cypriate authorities.

543
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen witnesses traveled to Cyprus for the preliminary hearing and

544
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.639
<v Speaker 1>gave evidence at the actual trial. It also emerged that

545
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>by the time UK detectives contacted the Cypriate police, Savat

546
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 1>was already on their radar. He had not, it turned out,

547
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 1>been invisible. He'd simply been somewhere no one had thought

548
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to look, or no one bothered to look. He was

549
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>charged with murder on the eleventh of August, and in

550
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 1>November of nineteen ninety nine, Ozgae Savat was found guilty

551
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>in a Cypriot court and sentenced to fourteen years imprisonment

552
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>for manslaughter. Details of that trial are not publicly available.

553
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>By the time Savat was convicted, a preliminary hearing had

554
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>already determined there was enough evidence against Pereira and Constantino

555
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>for them to stand trial for Michael's murder. There was

556
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>also enough evidence for Abdullah to stand trial for perverting

557
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the course of justice. All three men pleaded not guilty.

558
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>The trial began on the sixteenth of November nineteen ninety

559
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>nine in the Old Bailey. Prosecutor Nigel Sweeney told the

560
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>court that Pereira had told detectives that they attacked Michael

561
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>because he looked like a man who had spoken to

562
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Perira's girlfriend. Savat had told detectives that Pereira had been

563
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>railing against black people after he was too scared to

564
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>aid intervene when a black man flirted with his girlfriend.

565
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>He described how the police officers arrived at the scene

566
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>and found Michael. He said, at first he appeared to

567
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 1>be in a trance like state, and it was thought

568
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 1>by some, in particular the two police officers who came

569
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to the scene, that he had set fire to himself.

570
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor detailed the events of that night, the men

571
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>setting Michael onphire and stealing his belongings. He then spoke

572
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 1>about the recordings from inside the flat, describing how Perier

573
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>had talked about murder in a light hearted way, how

574
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>he said so what he was black. The prosecutor told

575
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom that Constantinou claimed he had been in the

576
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.159
<v Speaker 1>car while Perira and Savat set Michael onmphire. He said

577
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>they disappeared around the corner and then returned laughing. Prosecutor

578
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Swainey said, we say you can reject this claim that

579
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't party to the killing. He was with them

580
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 1>before he took the personal stereo. According to the defense

581
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>team during their opening statements, detectives were under so much

582
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>pressure from the Stephen Lawrence case that they could have

583
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 1>produced inaccurate and unreliable evidence to accuse innocent men of murder.

584
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<v Speaker 1>Defense attorney Peter Thornton said that Perier wasn't in the

585
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>area and took no part in the attack. He even

586
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.280
<v Speaker 1>said that Michael was a classic candidate for suicide because

587
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 1>he was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. He claimed that

588
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the quality of the recordings where the men spoke about

589
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the murder was per with background noise. The testimony got

590
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 1>underway with various witnesses testifying about what Michael told them

591
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. His friend as Egiel, testified about the

592
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>moment he stepped off the bus that night. He said

593
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 1>he started to head towards some phone boxes because there

594
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>was some light there, and the next thing he knew

595
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>he was on fire. As Egiel asked if he knew

596
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>who had set him on fire, Michael said he didn't,

597
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 1>but he thought that there were four white men. Michael's

598
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>brother Quasi, said he had asked him, why did they

599
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>do this to me? There was a man named Lyndon

600
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>who testified that Pereier had told him about the murder

601
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 1>and warned him not to go to police. Initially, he

602
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>had remained quiet, telling the court, I suppose I felt

603
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a sense of loyalty to my friends and I was scared.

604
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 1>He said that Pereira told them he was the one

605
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 1>who threw the flammable liquid on Michael while stavat through

606
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>the match. Mario Pereira would testify on his own behalf.

607
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>He told the court he was probably in bed that night.

608
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 1>He denied, saying so what he was black. He testified,

609
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I would never say nothing like that. Harry Constantinou and

610
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Hussein Abdullah refused to take the stand. The jury were

611
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 1>then sent off to deliberate. Ten hours later, they returned

612
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>with a verdict. They found Mario Praier a guilty of

613
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:20.599
<v Speaker 1>murder and Harry Constantinou guilty of manslaughter. They were both

614
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>found guilty of perversing the course of justice, along with

615
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Hussain Abdullah. As the verdict was announced, the courtroom erupted

616
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>into cheers. On the twenty one of December nineteen ninety nine,

617
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the sentences were handed on. Mario Praier received a life

618
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 1>sentence for murder and perverting the course of justice. Harry

619
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Constantinu received twelve years from manslaughter and perverting the course

620
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of justice. The judge noted that Constantinu had mental health

621
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>difficulties of his own, but said he felt that he

622
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 1>had shown genuine remorse. He told him he was required

623
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 1>to serve a minimum of six years. Whosayn Abdullah was

624
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.159
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to twenty one months for perverting the course of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Ozgae Savatt was already serving his fourteen year sentence in Cyprus.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Justice Gage spoke about Michael's family and said, there

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<v Speaker 1>has been much written about the determination and tenacity of

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Manson's family to see those responsible for his death

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<v Speaker 1>are brought to justice. I would like to add my

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<v Speaker 1>admiration for their efforts. I've been impressed by the dignified

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<v Speaker 1>way they have conducted themselves throughout this trial. Outside the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Bailey, Michael's family held a moment's silence. His sister

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<v Speaker 1>Essie then said, we felt that by not investigating the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>the police were almost sending a message to these people

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<v Speaker 1>that it's fine you go and burn a black man

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<v Speaker 1>in the street and nothing's going to be done about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the day hadn't been straightforward, even in its moment

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00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 1>of resolution. Something had emerged during the trial proceedings that

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<v Speaker 1>the family hadn't been prepared for, something that would take

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00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 1>years to fully reckon with. It was during the trial

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00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 1>at the Old Bailey that Michael's brother first became aware

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00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that the family had been subjected to convert surveillance. It

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<v Speaker 1>had come up in the proceedings almost in passing a

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00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 1>reference that landed quietly and then didn't leave. A Special

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00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Branch note on left wing activity in relation to the

646
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Lawrence Inquiry was later shown to the Undercover Policing Inquiry.

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<v Speaker 1>It mentioned Michael Manson's case alongside a handwritten note stating

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<v Speaker 1>that John Grave would be briefed on intelligence from the

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00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Special Demonstration Squad. The report was from late nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the period when Graves team had been investigating the case.

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<v Speaker 1>As it turned out, Michael's family had been watched while

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<v Speaker 1>they grieved, They had been watched while they organized pained,

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00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 1>unaware that undercover officers were covertly monitoring the family and

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<v Speaker 1>their push for justice for Michael. The questions this raise

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any easy answers, and in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>with the convictions just secured in three years of campaign

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00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>finally brought to an end, there was no mechanism to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue them. That reckoning would have to wait. What also

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait indefinitely, it turned out, was any form

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<v Speaker 1>of accountability for the officers whose failures had made all

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<v Speaker 1>of it necessary. No officer was ever formally disciplined for

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<v Speaker 1>their handling of Michael Manson's murder. All but one of

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<v Speaker 1>the senior investigators had either retired or were in the

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<v Speaker 1>process of retiring by the time the inquest had concluded.

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<v Speaker 1>The Police Complaints Authority inquiry had been running since September

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety eight. It had found evidence of overt

667
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>racism in the handling of the case. It had recorded

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00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 1>an officer referring to Michael as a fucking black schizophrenic.

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<v Speaker 1>It had documented the internal reports in which police had

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<v Speaker 1>accused the family of bad faith, of seeking financial gain,

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<v Speaker 1>of manipulating the media, and at the end of it all,

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00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>no one was called to account. The Guardian's timeline of

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<v Speaker 1>the case, which was published the day after the convictions,

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<v Speaker 1>ran from January nineteen ninety seven to December nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>almost three years, condensed into a column of dates and events.

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<v Speaker 1>A gentry was a thing the family had to fight for,

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<v Speaker 1>the murder inquiry being opened, the home secretary being contacted,

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00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the police apology, the racial motivation being formally acknowledged. None

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<v Speaker 1>of this had happened without pressure. All of it had

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<v Speaker 1>required the Mansons to push a door that never should

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<v Speaker 1>have been closed. The family had also taken their case

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<v Speaker 1>to the European Court of Human Rights, lodging an application

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<v Speaker 1>in February of nineteen ninety nine in the midst of

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<v Speaker 1>everything else they were carrying. In its two thousand and

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00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 1>three ruling, the Court found the application was manifestly ill founded,

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<v Speaker 1>noting that although the initial investigation had been gravely deficient,

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<v Speaker 1>the state had ultimately fulfilled its obligations under Article two.

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00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Once the third investigation had been launched and convictions secured.

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<v Speaker 1>The ruling acknowledged the failures clearly. It stated that where

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<v Speaker 1>a racist attack is involved, it's particularly important that the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation is pursued with vigor and impartiality, having regard to

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<v Speaker 1>the need to races, cert society's condemnation of racism, and

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain the confidence of minorities in the ability of

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities to protect them from threats of racist violence.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a statement of principle, a rise far too

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<v Speaker 1>late to have protected Michael Manson, but one that would

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<v Speaker 1>carry weight in the cases that came after. The family

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00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.039
<v Speaker 1>surveillance question remained open for another quarter of a century.

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<v Speaker 1>In late twenty twenty five, the Undercover Policing Inquiry heard

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<v Speaker 1>evidence from the Menson family as part of its examination

701
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<v Speaker 1>of the campaigns that had been spied upon, alongside the

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<v Speaker 1>families of Steven Lawrence and Ricky Rail. Michael's sister described

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<v Speaker 1>coming close to giving up during the years of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>She became very emotional giving her account, and the inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>hearing took an unscheduled break. Her brother described what it

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<v Speaker 1>had meant to learn twenty six years on that at

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<v Speaker 1>the very moment the family believed they were finally being

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<v Speaker 1>taken seriously, the police had simultaneously been briefing from intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>gathered by undercover officers that were watching them. The question

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<v Speaker 1>put to him at the inquiry was a plain one.

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<v Speaker 1>How did it feel? He was asked, how does it

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel at the point where you thought you

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<v Speaker 1>were finally being taken seriously, that it was seemingly the

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<v Speaker 1>case that they were at the same time spying, or

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least had knowledge of spying by undercover

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<v Speaker 1>officers on your family. He replied, that sense of disbelief

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<v Speaker 1>to sweep in and say, you know, we know it

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<v Speaker 1>was murder, we know it was who it was, but

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<v Speaker 1>to conceal this was an accidental omission, This was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've used the word manipulation so many times, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't understand how this is anything other than intentional. What

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<v Speaker 1>if the trial hadn't led to convictions, what of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff had got in the way of finding justice? They

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<v Speaker 1>risked so much. I can't understand how people have of

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<v Speaker 1>this seniority think that that's okay. Michael Manton had been

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<v Speaker 1>a musician, a son, a brother, a man who had

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<v Speaker 1>once stood on on a BBC stage and filled the

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<v Speaker 1>room with sound, and who had spent his last years

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<v Speaker 1>fighting an illness that hadn't beaten him. He had been

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<v Speaker 1>set on fire on a cold January night by men

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<v Speaker 1>who thought nothing would come of it. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>they had been wrong, but it had taken everything the

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<v Speaker 1>people who loved Michael had left to prove it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for today's episode of Morbidology. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for listening, and I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>say a massive thank you to my new supporter up

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<v Speaker 1>out at morbidology dot com for more information about this

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<v Speaker 1>take care of yourselves, stay safe, and have an amazing week.
