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let's dive in to today's episode, like to Welcome to
the show at Netbrica. Hi doing net? Hi?
Speaker 2: How are you? Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm
excited to talk to you about your credible mystical journeys
that you have had in your life. So my first
question before we get to go down that rabbit hole
of the near death experience you had, what was your
life like before the near death experience?
Speaker 2: So my near death experience happened when I was about
seven or eight years old, so I was my parents
were divorced. I lived with my mom, my brother, and
my sister, and I would you know, say that it
was typical of in the seventies what a divorce family
would have felt like. But I knew that I was psychic,
even at a really early age, but I didn't really care.
I mean, I knew things that would happen. I would
see my family members when they were going to pass over.
I would see their faces melting, and a few people
in my family and people I knew that were much
older were psychic, so I was familiar with it, but
I was just a kid. I didn't really care about
that necessarily. So when the near death experience happened at
a very young age, I mean I knew right away
what it was, but at seven years old, it completely
changed my life. Because even now I'm fifty seven years old,
and when I think fifty years ago that this happened.
Once it happens, it can never not happen. You don't
ever not remember it. I don't, you know, It's just
like it happened yesterday, even now. So it kind of
set me up for living a life of really of gratitude,
of feeling grateful and thankful even as a really young kid,
and that there was a bigger picture of everything, so
that the way that my life ended up evolving. There
were a lot of really scary, terrifying things that happened,
but I think that the near death experience happened so
that I did get a big picture feeling at seven
years old. So you know, at that moment, I wasn't
I knew it was profound. It did change the way
I thought about things, But I didn't until about I
was ten, and then twelve is when I really understood
why it happened. But it was it's transformative. You know.
I've said to a couple of people in the past
that whether or not people have had near death experiences,
it's like one of the greatest gifts you could ever have.
I mean, I feel bad that people have to die
for a period of time to have it, but having it,
and especially at a young age, it changes everything that
you think. It changes how you feel about the world
because you know that there is more than this. I
guess that that's the meaning. You know that there is
a higher beings. So even if you're religious, even if
you know I was Catholic going to church and I
knew about God, but you know, I was seven, I
really care about God, but I got it. I got
that there was a big patro And I remember after
the near death experience, like telling my family members about it,
and they, you know, they were in their fifties and
nineties and seventies, and they're like, wait, what happened, and
its it. It's just a life changing, game changer event.
Speaker 1: So when you you work, when this happened to you.
I mean, you're right. It actually gives you a gift
of understanding that we're not this is not it, And
that's a that's a question marked the most human beings
on the planet have, like what happens after we die? Yes,
but you had you had a gift of clarity of
truth given to you at a very very young age.
So what happened? How did how did you have your NDE?
Speaker 2: So I was at school. I was in the hot
lunch line. It was, you know, a big long line,
but it was me and two of my friends, and
there was a record a free standing record player like
on a metal stand, and we were right next to it,
and we were going to play a game that who
could hold their breath the longest, and there was, like
I said, three of us. I was gonna go last.
I told them I know that I'm gonna beat you too,
And I did go last. I did beat them because
the next thing I knew, I was in the nurse's
office because so I passed out. I hit my head
on the metal stand. I was in the nurse's office.
But before I came to, I saw a white light
and I saw a tunnel and kind of like the
classic story almost of what you hear about a near
death experience, but not a tunnel that was small like big,
but you could you felt like you knew that you
were surrounded by something. So I was in a tunnel
and I felt myself like going towards this white light,
but not like I was walking, like I was being
like shuffled or scooted forward, like just being pushed forward,
but not me walking. And I saw this white light.
But the thing that I that's notable and noticeable to say,
it wasn't just a white light. It was I could
hear music, and it was also a white light, but
with colors as well. And it was almost like you
know on fourth of July when you have a sparkler
and it's you know, sizzling and sparkling like like crackling
like kind of sparkling to it, and you just felt
complete love, I mean, and I felt like I was
embraced by it, and you felt like an enveloping of
love and you're not afraid and you I was scooted
towards this white light, and I just felt like I
was home, you know. And I'm seven years old. I
don't even think, I know what I would even say
the definition of home was, but I felt like I
was home and I and then all of a sudden,
I was told that I had to go and that
I was being scooted back, but I did not want
to go. I wanted to stay and I and I
also knew that it was not in the same realm.
I knew that I wasn't like in the consciousness realm.
I knew I was in a different realm. And I
felt like I knew that I had passed away or
that I was passing or about to pass. But I
was told that no, no, this was not your time.
And then the next thing I know, I woke up.
I was in the nurse's office. She was leaning over me,
and you know, just say what happened. And I didn't tell,
like I said my family members till a day or
two later. And then when I realized what that was,
and you know, I realized them. But once I had
that conversation, I felt like I went from seven to
like thirty. Immediately I felt old, or even though I
was still a kid and I was doing kid things,
I didn't I wasn't afraid of anything. I mean, I
just It's really such a gift. You know, that stupid
holding my breath in the lunch line was one of
the best things that's ever happened to me in my
whole life. It was really fabulous. And even now when
I talk to people and you know, and like you said,
many people, the big question they have is, you know
what is outit there? You know what happens when we
pass away? And I tried to always when I do
a reading, convey a little bit of that story because
I do feel like it's a game changer because I
can say it with such conviction because I went through it.
So you know, sometimes they say if a thousand people
were to come in the room and they didn't believe
it or they questioned me on it, I would I
would be able to tell a story in such a
way that would make everybody because it because it's like
it just happened yesterday, It was it was forever. It
altered my life. But I believe that the reason why
that happened in hindsight now is because all the things
that were going to happen to me so that I
was brave enough and courageous enough to get through what
I needed to so I do think it happened for
a real particular reason.
Speaker 1: So it was a primer if you will.
Speaker 2: Yes for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you when you came back, you said
it took you a couple of days to tell you parents.
What did they say? As good Catholic parents. I'm a
recovering Catholic myself, so yeah, me too, I'm.
Speaker 2: A recovering Catholic. Exactly what I say.
Speaker 1: They.
Speaker 2: I think that they were kind of afraid for me.
I think that they thought that it was too much
and it was overwhelming, and they didn't want me to
be afraid that I had maybe you know, was about
to die. But I wasn't afraid. I was the opposite
of afraid. I was, And I think that it only
took a couple of days to tell them because you know,
I was living with my mom and my mom was
not the stable one my so I didn't want to
tell my mom right away because she was unstable. So
I waited a day to talk to my father, who
lived out of state, to tell him. And you know,
he he understood it, he he, but I think he
was afraid that I thought it was too much. I
don't think I did a good enough job at the
time of explaining no, No, this was fabulous. It was
a great gift. So, you know, he accepted that I
went through it, but I think that he was trying
to trying to make me not afraid. But I wasn't
afraid at all. I was the opposite of afraid.
Speaker 1: Right now, how long did you Did you keep this
hidden to yourself beside your parents for a long time,
or did you tell everybody?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't tell everybody that I met because I
was trying to be a normal kid, you know, because
here I was not really normal, but I was acting
like I was normal. I knew things I shouldn't know,
even though I knew a lot of people that were psychic.
You know, a lot of my neighbors and the people
I dealt with, my friends and their families didn't really
know about that or care about that. So I didn't
want to. I didn't really want anyone to know that
I was psychic. I was, you know, And so now
on top of it, telling them I had a near
death experience, you know, now, I'm like an alien almost.
So I didn't tell my outside circle. My inner circle knew,
but not really like my friends and stuff, not too
much later.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show. When did you decide
to come out of the closet publicly?
Speaker 2: Well, my whole story just a year ago.
Speaker 1: Actually, oh really, so before then you weren't talking about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing readings since I was twelve, because
once so I had the near death experience. And then
after that, my spirit guide came to me in a
way that I actually saw my spirit guide in the
room with my sister shared a bedroom, and so my
spirit guid came to both of us, and in a
way that I mean there was no question. I mean,
I knew it was my spirit guide. And then after that,
then I saw a videotape of my life when I
was ten years old, of but I didn't know it
was of my life, of a chain of events that
were going to happen. So one night I was sleeping
and in a state of so I wasn't really sleeping,
my eyes were shut, but I was awake, and I
saw videotape up here of all these different things that
would happen to a person in many different stages of
their life. So I was ten at the time, I
saw when this person was going to be twelve, then twenty,
then thirty, then fifty, then even older than I am now.
And at the time, I didn't see the person's face,
and I actually didn't even know what was me because
I didn't see her face. But because I saw all
these milestones of different major things, like I saw something
that would happen when she was twelve. Then I saw
that she would get divorced. Then I saw these different things.
So I thought it was just a series of events
for other people. I thought it was like the same
kind of thing that I see about psychic things with
other people. But when I turned twelve years so one
of the things that I did see when I was
tent was that at there was a girl that was
about twelve years old that she would be abducted, and
I saw that there was a period of three days
that she would be kidnapped and then she would you know,
be taken from her home, and that a lot of
awful things would happen, and that I saw that. It's
like almost like watching a movie where you're where you're
rooting for the main character. You want them to get
out of this scary situation. So when I was seeing it.
I mean, I saw this little girl like terrified, like
scared to death, and I could see what they were
doing to this girl, and it was really her like horrific,
and I was trying to cheer her along, and I
was trying to like give her hope, like tell her
you're gonna get okay, You're gonna be okay, you're gonna
get out, you know, somehow you're gonna make it. And
I was, you know, like in real time, like you know,
cause one of the things I tell people is that
time is an illusion. And even that seems like so
confusing and so broad, but it was me cheering this
twelve year old on in real time, saying, Okay, just
keep your wits about you, you know, stay above water,
because you're you gotta get out of this. So it
ends up that two years later that was me. I
was abducted from my bedroom from two strangers. They kidnapped
me in the middle of the night. It was over
a three day period, and they put me in a car.
They had duct tape in my eyes, in my mouth,
and I went in. So it ends up that it
was four miles away from my home. The next day
when my mother realized that I wasn't home. She called
the police and the FBI. And back then it was
nineteen seventy nine. As a child, as minor, they didn't
tell your name on TV. They so they showed like
my face, but they blinked it out. They didn't say
my name. And so they had said that, you know,
here's this missing girl. And the FBI was at my
mom's house. So that happened for a three day period.
So when this was happening, I was like laying on
a crack mattress and so I was. I had a
duct tape on my mouth and my eyes, and there
was a Christian radio station on in this room, this
bedroom that I was stuck in with these two guys,
but they were having parties and they would I had
this music on loud, but there was a Christian radio
station on it. At one point it kept saying, if
you believe in God, you know, ask God for whatever
you need. God is here. God will listen. And here
I am. I'm you know, I'm being you know, beaten, raped, drugged.
And at this time I didn't even know how long
I had been there. It ended up that I was
there for three days but at that time I didn't know.
I had no concept at the time, and I thought, okay,
if there's a God, yeah, God, I could use you,
you know, if you're here, I need you right now.
And so I got brave and I took the duct
tape off my eyes, and I saw that there was
a window in the room, and that the the and
it was in September, and that the window was up,
and that the shears were like billowy. So I knew
that the window was up, and I saw that there
was a phone right next to the mattress that it
was on. So I hurried up. I picked up the
phone and I called my mom, and the FBI got
on the phone and they said, listen, you've been gone
for a few days. Tell us, you know, look out
the window. Try to describe your surroundings. And so I did.
But then I heard these you know, bad guys come
back up the stage. So I heard him, hung up
the phone with my tape back on my eyes, and
then like about an hour later, when whatever happened happened,
they went back downstairs. I thought, I got to get
myself out of this. They're going to kill me if
I don't. You know, and then I realized that, you know,
I was that girl that I saw two years ago.
I was that girl. And even though you know sometimes
that I tell people now and they're like, well, okay,
so you got kidnapped and you didn't realize that you
were that girl when you were ten, I said, well, yeah,
it's easy now to remember. But I had seen so
many things, and you know, you're not You're connecting all
of it. And I realized then that I was going
to get away because I was going to get away,
not because the FBI was going to charge through the
door and save me. I had to save myself, so
I hurry up, I got dressed, I jumped out of
a second story window and I broke my foot, but
I hobbled over to the next door neighbor, and I
remember like it happened yesterday. I mean, there was a
young guy who was like in his thirties who was
lying underneath his corvette working on it. So I can
only see his legs, and I thought, oh, you know,
I hope I can get his attention. So I said,
I guess I was crying, and he came out from
underneath the car and he said, oh, you the girl
that's been on TV. And I said yes, and we
hurried up and we went into his house and he
called Night one one and the police and the FBI came,
and so it ends up that they were caught. They
did go to trial six months later. They were both
sentenced to thirty to sixty years in prison each. They
served twenty six years in prison. But at the time
when I was getting ready for my trial, the FBI
agents that were in my house, So there were two
FBI agents on the case, and they said to me
when I explained that I kind of knew that this
was going to happen and that's why if I had
the nerve to jump out of the second story window.
And they're like, well, what do you mean, how did
you know? And I kind of told them and they said, listen,
we actually have a couple other cases, like missing person
cases were working on. Can can you help us? And
at that point I had never done anything psychically. I
just knew things, but I never like gave anybody information.
I said, well, I think I can, but I don't
know how, and they said, well, you know, we need help,
so whatever you can do will be helpful. So then
I said, well, let's let's try it. And so they
gave me a little bit of information. And at the moment,
I don't think we all thought that I would start
solving cases necessarily. We just thought, well, we'll see what happens,
We'll see if I could help. And I actually, in
that six month time solved two cases for the FBI.
So here I was preparing for my own trial, and
then I was solving two cases for them, And that's
just kind of how it evolved. And so from that
point on, then we were six months later they got
you know, they went to jail, to prison, both of them,
and so about a year later, I was thirteen years old.
So then I went and moved in with my father
and I said to him, listen, I need to know
why this happened, because even though you know, I got
away and they went to prison, and you know, everything's
kind of okay, why would they pick me, you know they?
And so my father showed me two New York Times articles.
One one of the kidnappers had escaped from a prison
in Schenectady, New York, seven months prior and drove to
where I was living in Michigan to come and kidnap me.
In particular, so it was it was some random it
was a setup. He was coming to get me. And
so I said to my father, what he escaped from prison?
Because I didn't know that at the time of the trial.
When I was, you know, testifying, I didn't have to
back then, I didn't have to be in the courtroom
with them, so I got to testify. They were not
in the courtroom then when they testified, I didn't have
to be in there. So when my father told me
a year later that, you know, one of them was
an escape convict from prison, and then I got really
really afraid. I thought, you got because thinking it was
random was less scary than knowing that somebody escaped from
prison and drove all this way for seven months and
came and got me, and you know, and I was
really really terrified. So then here I was trying to
live a normal kid life. I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
years old. I was, you know, a cheerleader. I was
doing you know, book reports, whatever normal kids do. But
then I was the FBI were contacting me and asking
me to help themselves cases on the side, I wasn't
getting paid for it. Then the local police, I was
doing that for them as well, and even one of
my best friends in high school. I remember I went
over to her house one day and we were just
hanging out and her father, who was like the local
police detective, who I didn't know was my girlfriend's father.
When we both saw each other in the kitchen, we
had to act like we didn't know each other because
I was helping him on local cases. But I didn't
know that that was his daughters. So we know had
because nobody knew that I was doing that except the
people that knew. So when I graduated from high school,
I thought, all right, I don't really want this life.
You know, here I was like solving all these cases.
I was a psychic. But I didn't really want to
do that. So I moved to California because I thought,
I'm going to reinvent myself. I'm going to just I
don't know sol.
Speaker 1: So before we go to California, I want to go
back for a second. Couple questions. One, why did that man?
Why did that man escape and go after you? What
was the purpose?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the ship.
Speaker 2: So this actually nobody knows except you. Know a few
people that know. So this is the first time I'm
sharing this with you. It endscept that, yeah, and I
appreciate you because I mean, there's and this is even
why I came out with my story a year ago,
because of all the chant of events that I'm about
to tell you. So it ends up that my mom
once my mom and dad got divorced, and like I said,
my mom was the unstable one. We were living with
my mom, me, my brother, and my sister, and we
had I'm from Chicago. My mom had a few boyfriends,
so we went from Chicago. When they got divorced, we
moved to Arizona, and then we ended up moving to Michigan.
This is where it happened to me. In Michigan, my
mom had a string of boyfriends and she had drug
and alcohol problems. But one night, her and her boyfriend
were in a bar and they were drunk or high
or both or whatever, and they made a five dollars
bet with one of the other kidnappers that if they
lost the bet that they could come and my mom
would leave the back door open and he could kidnap me.
So he contacted so for and my mom lost the
five dollar bet, so she she and he told her
that one of his buddies had escaped from prison. He
was on the way to Michigan. And so it ends up.
So this happened over Labor Day weekend. On the Friday
night that this happened to me, so I was going
into seventh grade. That night, I wanted to spend the
night at my best friend's house who lived next door
to me, and that was like a and my mom
really didn't care where I was at, you know. So
that night I said, you know, this is like my
last hurrah before seventh grade? Can I spend the night
at Sonzo's house that night? And she said no. And
not only did she say no, she made me, my brother,
and my sister go to bed like really early, like
at eight o'clock at night, which is again not typical
of her. That night, my sister went to go shut
the back door when my mom forced the three of
us to go to bed at eight o'clock at night,
and my sister saw that the screen door and the
and the lock on the door were like broken. So
my sister went to my mom and said, I can't
locked the back door because it's broken. My Mom's like,
don't worry about it. My sister Barb said, no, what
we have to worry about it? What do you mean?
And my Mom's like, no, no, no, don't worry about it.
So that's why it happened, because my mom made this
bet and wow.
Speaker 1: So okay, that's a that's a whole other that's a
whole other rabbit hole. Okay, So my next question is
you said that you saw a videotape of your life
or something equivalent to a videotypic you. When and how
did you see that?
Speaker 2: So when I was so my near death experience happened
when I was steping in again. It gave me this
feeling of and at that point I just thought, Okay,
I'm a psychic kid. I'm like a little bit weird.
I didn't really want everyone to know that and that I
had the near death experience. And at that moment, I
just thought, well, maybe this is what happens to kids
that are psychic, that you have like this near death experience,
so you have a bigger idea of the world. So
at that moment, that's what I thought, That's what it was,
and I did feel good about that. Then at a
couple of years later is when my spirit guide came
into the bedroom with me and my sister. My sister
and I were sharing a bedroom. We had twin beds,
and my sister was in the middle of the night
and she started crying and she I woke up and
she pointed to the door, and in the doorway, like
the whole size of the doorframe was like a silhouette
or like a three D figure or like a hologram
of what looked like almost like a figure of like
Abraham Lincoln. And when I say Abraham Lincoln, it was
because he wore a really big, tall hat. And at
that time, I was like maybe nine years old, That's
what I thought, And so I didn't know what this was.
I didn't know this was my spirit guide. My sister
was really afraid and she was crying, and I said,
just put the covers over your head, don't look. I
could not not look, so I kept looking, and I
wasn't afraid. I knew that this being was there for
me and not for my sister. My sister was just
unfortunately there and so I kept looking at this being,
and then the next thing I know, I woke up
the next morning and my sister and I were getting
ready for school, and she was really upset, didn't want
to go to school. And I said to her, do
you remember? Because I didn't at that point, I didn't
know I was dreaming. I said, hey, I remember, do you?
And then when we compare notes, and then I went
to people that I knew in my family that were
psychic and other psychics, and I said, you know, this
being came and they said, oh, that's your spirit guide.
And I said, oh my not. What what do I do?
And so they said, well, he's going to help you,
they said, name him. So I named him David because
you know, I didn't name him something spiritual because I
was a kid. So I named him David. And they said, well,
he's here to help you when you need help. But
I didn't want to help, but you know, I still did.
Was didn't want people to know I was psychic. So
I said to David, who kept showing up, listen, stop
doing that. I'll let you know when I want to
know something. You just, you know, quit doing this to me.
And I said, and by the way, would you quit
stop making my family member's face melts, because that's not
helping either. I want to just ride my bike. I
want to do normal things. So we kind of had
this deal that when I wanted to know something, he
would like put a message in my head, or I
would put a message in his head, like saying, can
you help me out. A year later is when when
I was sleeping, I saw this videotape of again the
person's life. But again I didn't know it wasn't me,
and I didn't know it was one person of all
these things that were transpired. So when I ended up
jumping out of the window, I realized then the near
death experience helped me because it helped me know that
there is a bigger picture. There's not just me making
all these decisions. There is a higher being helping me,
higher consciousness, And you know back then, I mean, you know,
forty five years ago, because this is the forty fifth
year of it happening. Forty five years ago, I didn't
think of higher consciousness. I didn't even know what higher
consciousness meant. But I knew enough to know that there
was a big picture. So I knew that the near
death experience happened to set me up so that when
my spirit guide showed up, I wouldn't be so freaked
out and that I could say, you know, hey, don't
don't show up unless if I need you, and then
to prepare me for the kidnapping and the rape that
I went through, because now what I realize, you know,
I tell people all the time, I would never even
though I was psychic, I would never have done this
professionally for sure. I mean there's no question. I mean
I don't even even sometimes I don't want to do
it now. I didn't have a choice, and I always
I realize now that I had to go through the
events that I went through because I had to go
through really difficult things to understand how how lucky we
are to be alive. And even though you can go
through really horrible, terrible things, you can get through those.
And I believe that we're here for two reasons. One
is our human life that we're supposed to go through
to get through obstacles and experiences to learn for our
soul's perfection. But then once we can master that, if
we can, then we go to what we call our
sole purpose life, which is us living at a higher
vibration where we are experiencing love and joy as much
as we can. To the degree you know, for the
rest of our journey, and I believe that that is
about helping other people. So when I moved to California
after high school again thinking I was gonna, you know,
get out of this area. I didn't want people in
Chicago because I hadn't moved back with my father at
that time to know who I was. And then actually
the opposite happened. You know. I thought I was going
to be a genius and reinvent myself. But then I
started hanging out with celebrities. They knew who I was,
and so here I was. I did the opposite of
what I wanted to do. I was more in the limelight.
I was not only doing readings for like really big shots,
you know, I mean even people now forty years later
that I've been doing since I was a kid. I
mean really well known, very famous people. And then I
was hanging out with them. And back then there wasn't
a lot of remote readings, so I would, you know,
I was in my twenties hanging out with these celebrities
and producers and movie stars and athletes, and then I started.
I did that for about four years, and then I
got a freight I thought, you know, what I didn't
really have a reference to one of these guys would
get out of jail, but I knew that they would,
and it started to terrify me that here I am, like,
you know, who do I think I am? Now I'm
in California hanging out with like celebrities, so it would
be easy for these bad guys to find out who
I was. And I knew. And again, because it wasn't random,
I thought, when they get out of jail, they're going
to come back for me. They're not. You know, this
is not going to be one and done. So after
about four years, I moved to New York and I thought, Okay,
now I am going to do the opposite. I'm not
gonna I'll be psychic. And I said to the universe
in my spirit, I said, listen, if you want me
to do readings, I'll do them. But I'm I'm not advertising.
I'm not gonna nobody's gonna know who I am. And
you better send me to people to me because I
nobody's gonna know anything that I do. And so that's
what happened. People would come to me, they were referred
and I would like give them the third degree. I
would say, well, who referred to you? And they'd say, oh,
my cousin Tommy, and I'd say, who's Tommy. You know
what I was really if you didn't tell me exactly
who referred to you, I would refuse to do the reading.
And so that's how it just built. And so from
the age of twelve until you know, all these years later,
I had this huge clientele and I would do all
these readings for all these people, and you know, not
just celebrities and wealthy people, but I mean everyday average people.
But it gave me a life of gratitude because I
felt that I was helping a tremendous amount of people.
But I was also the entire time always helping the
police and the FBI with missing children because I always
felt obligated to do that because of my own situation.
I remember being in that situation like praying that somebody
would save me, and you know, not thinking that that
would happen, and to a point where I thought, you know,
they're going to kill me. You know, that's it. There's
I'm not going to get out of this. And so
now you know, even though helping with missing children is
really a hard thing to do, and that's something that
I love doing. I never turn it down because I
want to always help whenever I can. So at this point,
a year ago, I had an opportunity to be on
somebody's podcasts, and so I have throughout my career had
many opportunities to be on it. I was on TV
a few times, I was did many radio shows, and
I at the time, throughout my career, I wasn't even
doing it to promote myself. I was you know, I
would have a client that would say, let's say, have
a radio show and ask me to be on it,
and I was here and I'll do it, but I
wouldn't really even give my contact information.
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: And so the reason why I agreed to do this
podcast a year ago is because I found out that
that so one of the kidnappers is on death row.
When they got out of prison after twenty six years,
he reoffended and murdered girls and raped them and he's
on death row. The other one that escaped from prison
did reoffend. He went back to prison several times. But
I found out that a year ago he was going
to be off garole for life. I found out he
also lives thirty minutes from where I live in New Jersey.
So I live in New Jersey. But so, you know,
the thing is is that when all this happened, what
is supposed to happen is the courts are supposed to
notify you as a minor when something to this degree
happens when somebody gets out of prison, for your own safety.
But because my parents were divorced and then I moved
with my father, I guess I fell through the cracks
and then I became an adult. So I was never
notified that, you know, they had gotten out of prison.
So even though I knew that it would happen, one day,
I was I didn't know a timeline. There were sentence
from to thirty to sixty years. I didn't know what
was happening. And so when I randomly found out a
year ago from my attorney, by the way, I'm something else.
She said, you know, I you know, she knew my
maiden name, and she said, you know, I'm it's it
appears that there's this person on parole. And I was terrified,
and I said, she goes is that you? And I said, yeah,
and she said, you know, he lives not too far
away from you. And he was also trying to sue
the State of New York because once you are a
sex offender to that degree with minors and you get
out of prison, you are forever banned from the Internet,
so you couldn't have Facebook. And by the way, I
never had Facebook in my life either because I never
wanted them to find me. So I was the only
person on this planet. Even now I'm fifty seven, I
don't have Facebook and the only person that doesn't have
Facebook or any social media I have Instagram a few
years ago because my twenty eight year old daughter, when
she moved out, I wanted to see what she was
up to. So I did an Instagram, you know account.
She realized what I was doing and she blocked me
so that I could. You know, then that was it.
That was my whole thing with social media. So he
tried to see the State of New York to get
access to Facebook because he said that was like against
his civil rights. He was declined, but my attorney said,
I think he's looking for you. So I decided I
was going to come out and I was going to
say what happened because one of the things that I
found out is that he in that seven months when
he stayed from prison, he was doing terrible things to
other girls and some in the process of working with
the FBI now and there are seven murders that took place.
There's four girls that have been identified. We're trying to
identify the other three that we believe that he's associated to.
So here, I was all these years living like this
really private life, even though I was doing these readings.
I didn't really want anyone to know who I was
or you know, how to reach me. But when I
realized that a year ago that he was out there
and he was trying to find me, and he was,
you know, had the audacity to try to sue the
State of New York to get the access to Facebook,
which I don't even have, I thought, you know what, no,
I'm not going to be private. I thought, I'm going
to tell the world and I'm going to you know,
put him behind bars, and I want everyone to know.
And then something unexpected happened that I didn't anticipate. So
when I did the podcast first, I got tons of
edible arrangements and flowers and candy and you know, wine,
and from all these clients and people that didn't know
my story and didn't know what happened, because you know,
here I was like, for example, going to you know,
a famous musicians party when I was in the twenties,
and they would ask me, how are you psychic? You
know what makes you so special? But I never wanted
to tell my story. And even though there were a
few people in Hollywood that didn't know my story, they
kept it private. So I would just say, well, I
just yeah, I don't know, I just know things. But
I didn't want them to know. So when it finally
came out a year ago, all these clients of mine
reached out and you know, and you know, they were
so gracious and so wonderful. But then I thought, because
all these years, when I would do a reading and
I would tell people what I would predict, they I
think they thought, you know, well, here you are, you
have such a charmed live. If you're a psychic, you know,
what do you know? How do you you know you
don't really know what it's like to go through difficult
things because I never told people that part of it.
And so now I was able to say listen. Not
only because when I do a reading, I do a
few things. I don't just tell you what I predict.
I tell you what I predict, but I also say
it's going to be really hard or really sucky for
a while. But this is what this is the light
at the end of the tunnel, this is what you're
working towards. You can get through this. And in the past,
I think people, you know, because again they just thought
it was like me looking at my crystal ball predicting it.
But when I said, I know what you went through
or are going through because I went through this really
terrible thing, it changed my readings. Because even though I was,
you know, famous without being famous, you know, I had
this clientele and I was making tons of money for
forty five years. It was like a new level of
respect and I and I had. And what it did
change things because then people felt different about me. They
felt like the message that I was giving them wasn't
just a hopeful one, but one from you know, a
point of view that I understand the struggle like a
human struggle, what it's like going through.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then I have to ask you this question, why,
with all your abilities and all your your understanding of
why things are in the world, the way the world
works and everything. Why do you believe this happened to
you in this life? Is this something that you and
I say this very I'm asking this question for a
very specific reason because so many people go poor me,
poor me, poor me. It's a gunny question, and I
want I want you to tell them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So okay, So this is my fifty seven year old
self right now, you and I meet fifty seven, going
to give you this grand answer. And I have known
from the age of thirteen when I so after the trial,
my dad said that your mom is the one that
did the five dollars, but that's why it happened. The
guy escaped from prison and this wasn't random. I'm like,
holy shit, you know, because that's a whole different level
of I realized from thirteen to now that it had
to happen, and it was going to happen. But what
I did realize was that I designed this. So I
believe what happens is when before we incarnate, before we're
here and we're you know, when I was my spiritual
self on the other side, you know, hanging out with
my other spiritual self buddies, I said listen, I'm going
to go back in. I'm going to go back in.
I'm going to go be human again. And they're like, oh,
you're crazy, why would you do that. I'm like, well,
you know what I need to learn for my soul's perfection,
and I believe what happens. It's like when you go
to high school and you pick your classes, and you know,
sometimes you give yourself really difficult classes, and even your
guidance counselor may say that's too much. You're putting too
much on your plate. So here I was my spiritual
self knowing that I had to learn from my soul's perfection,
and I believe that I chose it. And that's why
I believe we all do. I don't think that anything
is random. I think that we choose, you know, because again,
you know, we're brave when we're spiritual, you know, before
we come back in, I'm like, oh, I got this.
I can handle this without knowing that I chose this.
So it is not for me, it is for me,
you know. I think when I'm on the other side again,
I'm going to have a talk with like I'm going
to be a Karen and talk to the manager and
be like, you should have let me do that, that
was too much. But I do realize that we all
do choose what we are going to go through for
our soul's perfection, and the goal I believe is to
to go through it, to learn from it, to master
our human life so we can get to the spiritual
side of it. So that's why I you know, I
was able to embrace doing readings, and I just wanted
to be safe while I was doing it, but I
know that I was the one that did it, which sounds.
Speaker 1: Creat Yeah, No, Listen, crazy is relative in this in
this show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, many people think I'm crazy, so it's a very
it's a very relative in this show. Without question. Before
we continue, I want to thank you for sharing your
story with us, and thank you saying so yeah and
saying so publicly this because it I feel it's going
to help a lot of people listen, help them heal,
and also let them process things that happen to them, because,
like I said, there, I don't think there's a soul
that comes down here, maybe with a few exemptions of
a couple of avatars, but other than that that doesn't
escape without any negative things or any trials or tribulations
or any struggles, because that's why we're here.
Speaker 2: It's the point, the whole, that's the whole reason, right,
And I actually believe that, you know, I don't want
to say that I'm this brave warrior because you know,
I mean, it is horrific what I went through. Even now.
I mean, I'm triggered all the time. Like I said,
you know, you know, this is the forty fifth year
of when it happened to me, And so I think
about all these things that have happened in my life
and all these opportunities I've had, and all these people
I know. But I mean, I but I also am
just like a normal person here. I hear I do
readings all day long from my home. And I mean
even my neighbor doesn't even think I have a job,
like make sarcastic remarks to me when I get the mail,
and he's like, you know, women in twenty twenty four work,
and I'm like, okay, And I said to my house
you think that I have a job, And I'm like
solving you know, cases for the police, and then you
know the FBI and and you know, and all these
like high level things I'm doing, and he thinks I'm like,
you know, day drinking and watching Netflix all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, but who does what does he
really think? No, I mean, listen, when people ask me
what I do, I'm like, uh, I talk to people
on YouTube. It's insane. It's insane, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have you know, I have an annual
party every year where it's about two hundred people, and
even a couple of years ago, so there's a couple
of cops on my street and one of the cops
is like, what do you do for a living? And
I go, well, what do you think I do? And
he says, well, a lot of people come in and
out of your house. So I said to my husband,
he probably thinks I'm either a prostitute or a drug dealer.
I go, I'm a psychic, and he goes, Okay, I
would never have guessed that, but you know, I'm glad
to hear you know that was what you were doing.
But so now everybody knows. I mean, you know, before
I was in advertising, but it was for my own
safety because I had a young daughter at the time
and I wanted to have a normal life, and I
was really afraid, you know. I mean, I can't even
emphasize that enough. I mean, right now, I mean, and
I'm still not not afraid. By the way, I am afraid,
but I'm not. I feel like I'm going to take
over my story because I now have a new So
an article is going to come out in the New
York Times as a follow up to what happened that
he is off parole and he lives down the street
from me.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show. There is a down
the street, down the street.
Speaker 2: Nut, you know, thirty minutes but to me, it's down
the street, you know, So he's thirty minutes away. So
there's going to be a documentary that comes out, and
there's also an opportunity for a TV show that's going
to come out based on me and a few other
Psyche gigs. And at the time when this this opportunity came,
I said, I don't want to do that. I mean,
I I think you can take selfies. I don't want
to be on a reality show. And they came to
me and I kept at first. One of my clients
that many years said, you know this big shot wants
to do the show about you, and I said, I'm
not interested, and I would even take the zoom calls.
I would just not even go on. And he said,
what are you doing? And I'm like, oh, because I
didn't want that. But then when I realized, this gives
me a platform to do what I want to do
as far as my story, because that's the reason. It's
not for my it's not for more readings because I
don't need more readings. I don't need more people. But
it's because I want people to know when we go
through really terrible things, we are the ones that design it.
We did it for a reason. But if you're brave
enough to get through it and understand that you'll have
to learn for your soul's perfection, there's really fabulous things
waiting for you. Because every day I can tell you
that I live with such gratitude. I feel like every
day I won the lottery. And sometimes I have really
difficult days. I was working on a missing child case
last week and I found the child, but the child
was not alive, and that most of the time is
the case that they're not alive. So it's not always
a happy story, but it gives the family closure and
it gives them peace because we all want to be found,
we all want to be you know, you know, but
to rest and giving closures. So I realized that is
what I was here for. I realize now in hindsight,
why I then, you know what I made up my
classes for this lifetime, why I had to go through
all this, And I'm grateful for it, even though it
sounds crazy because I had to go through something so
terrible to be able to identify and to deal with
these thousands of people that I deal with and to
help with missing children, or because I don't think we
always want to help people, and I don't think I
would do it. I don't think is after you make
a certain amount of money. I think I'd be like,
all right, you know what, I'm going to go on vacationion,
I'm going to live it up. I'm going to go shopping.
I wouldn't always be answering the calls. I wouldn't always
be doing readings. But I want to give people hope
because I remember what it was like, not feeling hopeful,
not feeling like I could go on. You know. I
sometimes give people the analogy of like Wizard of Oz.
Remember when Dorothy was, you know, up in the tornado
and the house land and she you know, she opened
the door and all she saw the munchkins and the
different colors and everything was it wasn't in black and
white anymore. And I feel like that's what happened to
me once all this happened. It was like I was
able to see life differently, differently than everybody else. And
even though, yeah, your life does feel black and white
and it is really difficult, and a lot of bad
things happen to us, if we can just flow through
them and know that we're going to get to the
other side and it's okay that we're going through that
and you know, be excited about what's happening. I believe
that not only does it change us in our experience,
but it's a ripple effect to all the people that
we deal with. Because if I do a reading for
you and I help you and I give you hope,
I don't just give you hope, but everybody you deal
with now you're you act different and you vibrate different.
So it is a ripple effect. And I believe that
it helps us at a higher level, our higher consciousness.
But I think it helps humanity. So I don't think
that I'm so special that I myself, because I tell
people all the time if I lose my car keys,
I can't even find them. My husband says, sometimes says,
you can find a body, but you can't find your
car keys. You know. I tasslitly tell him call my phone.
He's like, can't you just the same way you help
the police last week find your own phone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I can't sometimes even do that for myself. But I
realized the big picture of it, and and it's a miracle.
It's it's it's a it's a it's a great life.
It's a great life to have, and I'm I'm happy
to be able to share it to to help people
get through all the hard things they have to get through.
Speaker 1: No. Nette, you mentioned that you know that sometimes there's
a struggle, uh, and that we have to plow through
it to get to the other side of it. There
seems to be a collective struggle that the planet's going through,
that humanity is going through, and our consciousness is going through.
As as as a psychic what do you see as
this whole kind of stuff that we're going going through
and to give people hope and also to give people
the truth of what's coming.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's good actually because think about this.
So I actually when I did the original, so I've
done a couple podcasts now and like I said, years ago,
who was on other things, But I then, for you know,
like thirty years, didn't want to be on TV, didn't
want to do radio shows. So I was, you know,
kind of just doing my own thing. Then a year
ago I did this one podcast and I made a
prediction on the podcast that freaked a lot of people out.
They were you know, and even freaked out the person
I did the podcast for, you know, you know that
everybody was all nervous. I said, listen, you don't have
to even look at me, because if you look at
the history books, you know, we've always from the beginning
of time, there's always been a lot of heartache for everybody.
There's always been wars, there's always been a depression, there's
always been money strung right, there's always disease. You know,
this is not a new thing twenty twenty four and
what we're going through is not new. But I believe
that we have to go through it because we as
because I think two things happen. I think that as
we go through our own personal struggles and we raise
our consciousness to a higher level of consciousness, and we
do flow through it and we do master our human life.
So it doesn't mean that we never have struggles, but
we can get through them and then we can vibrate
higher and have the best life we can. Then it's
a ripple effect to other people which helps connect to humanity.
That then the higher consciousness is more And I do
believe that we do, as time goes on, collectively get
to get this higher vibrational level. Because even now in
twenty twenty four, I remember thirty years ago, it didn't
feel like the universe was vibrating high. I mean I
felt like I was, but I didn't know a lot
of people that were. I know a lot of people
that are because humanity is because we're getting smarter, like
even with AI. You know, I know, you know, AI
is so interesting. You're either you love it or you
hate it, depending on how you feel about it. But
I say, well, it's just like a microwave. I remember
in high school, we were like the last one on
the block to get a microwave, and I thought, oh,
this is kind of crazy. But now when you think
of a microwave, that's nothing. Pretty soon twenty years from now,
we'll think AI is nothing, that it's just an evolution
the way that it's supposed to go. So I don't
think that anything that goes on in the world that
is difficult is a bad thing, because that is the
other thing that all these experiences have given me. I
see things as events. I don't think of them as
positive or negative. And even though I know and sometimes
they use the analogy of like the lottery or breaking
your leg, I know, from a human perspective, if you
win the lottery, that feels great, and if you break
your leg, that doesn't feel great. But breaking your leg
from a spiritual standpoint, might be better than any lottery
because usually we you know, the most change happens when
we go through difficult times and we do have a
better life. So you know, in that moment, you think, oh,
it was an accident that I broke my leg, but
it's not really an accident. You were meant to break
your leg. It's an inconvenience. You don't want to break
your leg, but you are supposed to so when wars
go on, when there's diseases, when all these terrible things happen,
and they are terrible to some degree, I don't think
it's like the world just under attack. I just believe
it's the way it's supposed to be, because that is
the whole point. That is how we learn.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking, what was that prediction
that you've been in that other show that got everybody
all would up.
Speaker 2: Well, here we go, so let's get what we can
get everyone rolled up. It was about the financial you
know future.
Speaker 1: So before so before you continue, I want to preface this.
We are due economic ups and downs. There's always the
boom and the bust. We haven't had anything since two
thousand and eight. We are about a decade overdue for
something to happen economically. You could just look out throughout
the history. Every eight to ten years something happens. So
without that, I just wanted to preface that for everybody
to know that's not the same.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. And so Actually, when I did
the first podcast, you know, I did it and it
was taped, so after it was over, my husband said
how to go, and I go, Oh, I went, so fast.
I don't even remember what I said. And so when
that part came out and I heard about that prediction,
and then, you know, on a backlash, my husband said, well,
that's barely a prediction because everybody knows that because that's
just the way life works. You're right, we are due.
So what I said that was the controversial part was
not that we would just go through this financial hardship.
But I said that the way that we use money,
you know, currency was going to change. And I said
on it at that moment. It wasn't even about bitcoin
at that time, and because I think even the person
asked me, well, do you mean bitcoin or whatever cryptocurrency?
And I go, well, kind of, but not even really,
not that, not like what you would think. I said,
So what I believe will happen with our financial money,
it's going to collapse. So I think the word collapse
is what makes people sink. But you know, you know,
but like COVID, when COVID happened, even though many people
knew that COVID was going to happen, and they didn't
have a name for it, but they knew because again
like even like Bill Gates knew from ten years prior
that that something like a pandemic, what's going to happen,
and was trying to tell everybody that this was going
to happen. It happened to us, and it changed the world.
I believe that the financial crisis that will happen will
change the way that we barter and use money. We
will use a different exchange and it's not good or bad,
it's just different. It's just because something will happen that
attacks our financial systems. So it's not just like we
go through a depression or a recession. That's one thing.
It's the actual currency that changes, So it would be
more like, you know, think about it now. Nowadays, I
can go out to lunch with my daughter and I can,
you know, zell her the money.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: But you know, thirty years from ago, that sound crazy,
we could even imagine that that would happen. So we
will no longer have dollar bills or euros or that
it will be more of a you know, like a
transactional computer wire system, not actual you know, give me
change for my dollars here. So I think that what
makes people nervous is So I had a lot of
people that contacted me that were senior citizens that said,
I don't even use the computer. I don't have online banking.
How am I going to manage? I said, listen, I
didn't say this to make anybody panic. I just made
a prediction that you know and you don't and you
could just see what happens. You don't have to even
believe what I have to say. But that is just
just like COVID. Nobody would have believed that we would
have all been walking around in masks, that everybody.
Speaker 1: Would die then were months right?
Speaker 2: That we would be sitting in you know, working from
home with our you know the Jamazon, you know we
underwear on the bottom and you know, a tie and
a spotcoat on top on zoom. Nobody would have ever
imagined that happened. But I say to people, think as
awful as it was, it kind of reset the world
because think about how we weren't in the rat race anymore.
We got to eat dinner with our family, do puzzles.
You know, it felt like thirty years ago to me.
So even though a lot of bad things happened, I
think a lot of good things came out of COVID,
and I think the same with the financial crisis. So
the prediction is more not just that it's a recession
or a depression, it's the exchange of the currency. But again,
I don't even know that that's so much of a
prediction prediction because I think that anybody, if you really
think about it, should know that that's where we're headed.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, that's that's not a question. And I've heard
about the currency as well, and that also makes sense
because of the way we've been inflating our currency and
propping it up and constantly printing money, and where the
US alone is like what thirty trillion in the whole
or something something.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a better way to do it, I mean, right,
And I think that we realize that in a few years.
Speaker 1: Yes, So so let me ask you this. When you
said there's a better way of doing it, I've been saying,
and many of my guests have said, that the old
systems need to come down. Older systems that are not
serving us anymore need to come down to make ray
for these new systems. And that's in every avenue of life,
from religion to economic to health care to education, to media,
all of it. These older systems need to be brought
down so these new systems can come up. Is that
what you're seeing as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because think of it. You know, it's almost like
you have to make space for the news. You got
to get rid of the old. The old has to breakdown.
Most people are not forward thinking enough or brave enough
to meet things head on there. You know, a lot
of people are afraid of change and how it's gonna
affect them. So it has to almost break down because
we're not even we're so primal, so primitive actually when
you think about it that, you know, we think we're
so smart and such higher beings of higher consciousness, but
we're not. Because when something new, we all freak out.
I mean, I've had so many AI conversations, and I
say people, I mean it's helpful. I mean I think
AI has helped me with several things recently. I thought, oh,
this is freaking fantastic. Why would you not want this?
So it almost has to come down to a screeching pull.
Things have to break down completely so that we can't.
But that's just the natural way of things, and it's
not a scary thing at all.
Speaker 1: Now what other? What other? Is there anything else that
you can tell people in regards to the rest of
this year and in the coming decade that we have
besides economic that you would like to share with the audience.
Speaker 2: So you know, you're a great interviewer. Because I didn't
know what we were going to talk about, I was thinking,
I should I say this, this is this? So I'm
going to say a few things that so prior to
the assassination attempt with Trump, you know, July thirteenth, I'll
never forget it. I was. I actually had that weekend off.
I was not going to work that weekend, so I
was I sent to my housband, Let's do what normal
people do. Let's go out to dinner. And then the
next day we were going to go to a movie
like Matt and had like two old people, and I said,
let's just do normal things. Okay. So I was out
to dinner and I had my cell phone on the
table out to dinner and he's like, why do you
have yourself? And I go, A client's got to reach me.
They're just going to text me whatever. My phone started
blowing up and I answered it, and it ended up
that there was a high level of fish connected to
this intel on this assassination attempt. But it was the
day before and they said to me, and he's a
client of mine. And this person said to me, uh,
you know, can you where are you? And I said, uh,
I'm out to dinner. And they because they could hear
that I wasn't like at home or whatever, and they're like, well,
you know, I need to ask you some questions about
the president if you think that that's not just like, hey,
are you going to meet your boyfriend next week? I said,
I need to like go home and meditate. I said,
can I get back to you? And they go, no,
this is you know, we have intel on this. We
need an answer. And I said, all right, well I'll
leave dinner, I'll go home. I'll call you back like
in an hour. So I went home. I did a
meditation and I saw it in real time, things that
were going to unfold. I called them back and it was,
you know, many people involved in this and I and
I said what I thought would happen? And I and
they said to me, well, do you believe that it
can be stopped? And I said, no, I know it won't.
I said, but the thing is this, and they were assassination.
I could not No assassination, I said, but because the
intel that we have is about a president is going
to die. But I said Biden and they said no, no,
it's not Biden. And I said, oh, because I originally
thought when they said, is the president to be assassinated?
And I said no, no, I said no, no, no,
he's not going to be assassinated. I said, so when
they asked me, well, do we do you believe you
could it could be stopped, I said, not only do
I think it cannot be stopped. I said, it's already
in motion. I said it'll happen really soon. And they said, well,
how how soon? I said well, and I knew it
was Trump because it was invited, and at that time
Biden was running still. And so I said, what if
you looked at his schedule, and you looked at ever
he has scheduled for the next four weeks, it will
be one of these events that are already scheduled. It's
not like a future event. So I knew it was
going to happen soon. And so I, you know, said
the chain of events that I thought that took place.
And then the next day I was at the movies,
you know, again during the day, and my daughter texted me,
my twenty eight year old daughter, and said Trump just
got shot. And I'm like, I go to the lobby
and my phone blew up. And the people that contacted
me the night of war, and so I had been
involved in that since that took place, and that is
not something that I would have wanted to be didn't because,
you know, unlike helping children and doing that. I mean,
I because it's kind of a catch twenty two. You know,
you help, I help in some way, but other people
got hurt and other people people were killed and it
wasn't a great I predicted the presidential elections, like since
I'm a kid, been a kid, and I've never been wrong.
And so about a year ago, a bunch of people
that even when Trump won, I said that Trump was
gonna win way before he won. And then when he
did win, I was on a radio show and you know,
that person, you know, made a big deal that I
had predicted. I was like one of the only people
that predicted that he would have win whatever. So then
I predicted you wouldn't win. And so this time around,
I kept saying that I don't believe that Trump will win.
But I said, but Biden's not gonna win either. At
the time, people can those two so what do you mean,
And I go, well, I don't know what I mean.
I don't even know. I just know it's not either
one of them. And I have a lot of clients now,
like you know, high little politicians that who esping me
for months, who at the time didn't realize. And so
when all this stuff with Biden happened, then that's when
I realized that's why I was being shown that it
would be neither one of them. So I can see
the election. I see also that for us, so the
financial crisis that will take place. So I believe that
in the next two years, like crazy, people are going
to go towards spirituality, like your neighbor, you're a best friend.
People who don't talk about it much all of a
sudden become spiritual beings. They kind of get the big picture,
because I do believe that there's a shift with the
world that makes us all. Like when I was a
kid and I had this near death experience that I
had my spirit guide. Then I saw that video of
my life and I got the bigger meaning I feel
like we all just kind of start to get it
within the next two years. And I don't think that's
accidentally happening. I think collectively humanity is about to march
in a different direction. So all of a sudden, we
get to this level with again, doesn't matter who you
are or what age you are, you just feel spiritual
and you kind of understand, you kind of get this.
That changes us as a whole, and that changes our
species and our race, because I do believe that there
are major changes with when you think about it, you know,
we we were cavemen, and then you know we've evolved
over all the years, these years, and I think that
there's a major evolution that's taking place now. But it
can't just be like it is now. It can't just
be you and I living the way we are. So
I think that everybody has to get on board. And
I do think that part of what COVID was, which
is I know sounds terrible and I lost a lot
of people in COVID, So I don't want to say
this lightly, but I think that it was a reboot.
I think that it was you know, the universe saying
in a very big way, we need to reset, we
need you know, things are not going the right way
where this is a rat race, everyone's you know, not
thinking correctly because not only I did a lot of
people pass away and that was terrible, but it changed
the way we thought. It changed the way we processed
life and the way that we interacted with one another.
And so I believe that when we go towards this
idea of spiritual weality, whatever your beliefs are, it is
because our our consciousness raises and we become smarter. Because
one of the things also that you know, during my
teenage years, so again I wasn't just like a normal teenager.
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Speaker 2: There was a period of time that I felt like
I knew really like what a UFO would be or
an alien would be, but I didn't really care about it.
I wasn't studying it, I wasn't trying to know, and
I just would know. I would just have this feeling
like I knew. And then there was a period of
about several months where I would actually like, no, I
would I would just have a thought and I would
go to bed and it would feel like I was
having a dream of like an experience like being on
a UFO or with aliens. And then a couple months
later I realized, like, Okay, these are not experiences like
I'm having where I'm dreaming. I'm actually you know, I
think I'm sleeping, but I'm actually experiencing this because I
knew it, just like that near death experience, I knew
that I was it was real, but I wasn't telling
everybody because it felt foreign. It was again so many
years ago, not a lot of people were open to it,
and even now I don't tell many people about it.
But one of the things that is notable about that
is I remember being like around these aliens. Let's say
that we're so high tech. We're so like vibrating very
very high and vibrating to a point where like it
was like, so when I vibrate high, I tell people
that I can see a color, but also is music,
which is also a language, so it's not just like
a vibration. It's like everything mixed together. These aliens were
all those things back when I even knew what that was,
and we were so you know, we're so primitive. I
feel like we become more like they are that we that,
but we have to have not just get yeah, we
evolve to that level. So that's why in two years
that will happen.
Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing is also from different channelers and
other sidekicks I've been on the show, is that we're
going to have a major encounter in the next two
years with with beings from an uh you know. And
I don't want to put the tinfoil hat on. I
try to keep this house as ground I try to
keep the show as grounded as it can be. But
the facts are that there's probably some life out there.
There's just just by logically by numbers, yes, yes, yes,
so is it possible? Sure? And I keep hearing it
from multiple things. But when I hear it's not going
to be Independence Day or aliens like you know, like
Predator or something like that. It's going to be something
that's going to help evolve and lift us to a
to a higher and higher places. That's very, very fascinating.
I appreciate you giving me all that insight in regards
to the political stuff. So you're saying that you're predicting
that Harris is going to win at this because are
the only two in there, yes, okay, and now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, for everybody listening or watching,
there's not even who I want to necessarily and not
who I don't want you, So I'm not making you know,
it's not what I want personal my prediction, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So what I heard as well is that if either
of them win, there's going to be some sort of chaos.
There's going to be some sort of upheaval, There's going
to be some sort of something that happens. So if
Harris wins, you know, are we going to have another
January sixth? Are we? Is there some other stuff that's
going to bubble up because of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm going so I'm going to tell you life.
I would tell other people because sometimes, you know, what
I do a reading, because it's not always unicorns and rainbows,
and when I do reading, it's not all happy things,
and they're not I get cursed out a lot people
are you know, are not always happy, and then they
eventually call me back or come back and apologize because
things came true. But you know, it's not all great.
So I even hate to say that, I do feel
like something like that will happen because then people say, well,
then you're putting it in everyone's mind. Well that's nonsense,
you know, I mean, but I do believe something like
that will happen because I do feel like there's such
unrest in this world that think about it. It, Yes,
it matters who wins a presidential election for anybody in
any country, and those things do matter. But if we
all take our own personal responsibility to know that we
all have a choice in this, we can all, you know,
go and vote, we can all fight for what we
believe is right. Because like even when I was a
twelve year old girl, I could have died, or I
could have been you know, brave and jumped out of
that window and just did what I had to do.
So sometimes we do have to do the hard things
to make our lives better. So if you really have
strong convictions and you believe that so and so should
be the president, or you want laws to be changed,
well then fight for those things to happen. But I
do believe that there will be a big part of
the world of this country that are not going to
like the results, and I do believe that they will retaliate,
and I and I don't think that's a great thing
to do, you know, and I don't want to, you know,
make that prediction. And again people are going to say, oh,
you put that in their minds, that that's crazy, because
I'm not, because you know, because people know right from wrong.
But I do believe that that will happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, and I think that's terrible.
Speaker 2: You know, it's terrible that that will.
Speaker 1: No, of course, but we've gone through it before. And
it's again, it's not as much of a prediction that
as this is a logical stance on something like that,
because you're looking at it. I mean, you're not talking
about like, you know, I believe that the moon is
going to crash into the Earth in a year and
a half, like it's something that's so you're saying that
goes that makes sense. It happened already. It literally, it
literally happened already.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Only logic would dictate that there would be some sort
of response regarding that, you know so, And and like
you said before, I think some of these things might
need to happen in order for us to wake up
to like, you know, these wars are happening around around
the world. You have to go No, that's not what
we want to be, and that's not what we want
to be. Is there is there an event that's going
to you say, in the next two years, we're going
to wake up, and I agree with you. I think
this decade is a very pivotal decade, and there's going
to be many more things coming in the decades to come,
but this decade specifically, since twenty twenty, we came in hot.
We came in very hot. There hasn't been a decade
like this in my lifetime nor in yours. I think
that so much has transpired already and we still have,
you know, five six years left.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, So I believe in So
this is twenty and twenty four and I'm fifty seven now,
so I can't do the quick math in my head.
But when I believe, I believe around two thousand and
fifty and now, when I was a kid, and again
I think it was like thirteen or fourteen, two thousand
and fifty, I saw that year and that seemed like,
you know, really far off. I mean now it even
it seems far off now, but you know, forty years
ago was even really far off. Two thousand and fifty
is going to be the biggest game changer, because see
these little things that we're talking about now, like the
financial thing that's going to happen with the change of currency,
presidential election, you know again kind of the same thing.
No big deal. These are minor steps. But in twenty
and fifty, I think there's a total reset. I think
what happens is that we are vibrating at a very
high level. I do not believe that we are living
like human beings like we live now, Like where we're
getting in our car. I feel like it is very
space age, very much so. And I don't think because
when you think about ten years ago, well you were
you know, you might be driving a nicer car than
you were ten years ago, but you still were driving
a car. You weren't you know, you weren't in you know,
you weren't hovering over something, you know, like the Jetsons.
You weren't doing that. So it wasn't that big of
a deal. But I think in twenty and fifty everything changes,
and I think that human beings looked different. I think
that medicine is different. I don't think that you have
to take medicine anymore. I believe that you will be
healed by light, like colored light. I believe that. You know,
like even years ago, you can't imagine having anything done labroscopically.
You would have to be invasively cut. And now lots
of things are, you know, labroscopic. I don't believe even
that will happen. I believe it will be like light therapy.
Will that will change. So in the year of two
thousand and fifty, I think is the biggest reset that
you know, some of us will be alive for. But
I think that the world is completely different because in
the last few decades it's been the same, which just
became more you know, we have cell phones and microwaves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems that the speed of everything is
growing so much more exponentially from one two thousand. I mean,
I had a website in nineteen ninety seven, I had
a big online business in ninety seven ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And from that I know exactly right. And I was
one of the first people on YouTube in two thousand
and five. So I from that time to where we
are right now, that's twenty twenty five years. At this point,
it is night and day from where we were. But
every year that's gone by, I mean AI showed up
a year ago, a year and a half ago, really
really in the zeitgeist, you know, when chat ChiPT hit.
I still remember like people going, Oh, what's this AI thing?
And oh what's this thing? It was it was the
exact same thing that happened in ninety six when I
was in college, going what's this internet thing? Where do
I get that AOL floppy disc so I can log
into fluff? And it was that thing, Oh what's this
new this new streaming? What's this net? Netflix? What's it called?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It's I remember all of this and now it's just like,
oh yeah, of course now it's it's so it's moving
expedentially fast. You know, we have rockets that land themselves.
You know, we're taking tours up into space for very
expensive tours, but tourists nevertheless, you know, so.
Speaker 2: Pretty soon that'd be nothing. That'll be like going to
Central Park.
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and now back to the show. Yeah, you and I
will jump on just like going on a plane.
Speaker 2: You and I will jump on a plane. Not around tomorrow.
I'm going to the moon, yeah, see, yes, Thursday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what we were promised, by the
way when we were growing up, this space age, flying
car stuff. I'm still waiting, but it hasn't come up
as a cottum, right, right, But that's all very fascinating,
And also that this everything you're talking about, there is
hope for all of this. It's and I've been saying
this to people for a while. It's gonna be bumpy,
it's it's gonna be challenging, but we will be better
on the other side of this. We are getting to
a place where, hopefully by twenty one hundred, our species
and our our consciousness is raising to a much, much
high I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe it will, and I think and I and again,
you know, knowing that I don't think one event is
better than the other. I think there are two different experiences.
And I and again, you know, I can say this
from my own life because I've had a horrific, really
horrific I've had really great things, but really really terrible,
horrific things. So they have to happen, good and bad
have to happen, or what we perceive to be good
at bad, so that you can value things. So things
have a meaning, they have a purpose, they're they're worth
fighting for because I mean, I have such a fabulous life,
and I mean again, I do you know, I do
tons of work with missing children and it's really sad
and terrible and a lot of evil people. But every
day I feel grateful. I feel thankful for my life.
I feel thankful for my neighbor who you knows, smart
ass things to me out at the mailbox, who doesn't
think I have a job. And I think that's funny,
you know, I think you know because it's not just
the big major things in life. It's it's every little
detail of your life. And that because it's the totality
of everything that makes us have a great life and
know the meaning of it. And I tell people it
doesn't matter if you're going through a challenging any time,
because you're not always going to and you should actually
be glad that you are because not something's going to change,
there is change on the other side for you, and
that you know it was just going to be better
and bigger. And I do feel like we are supposed
to help each other, and I do believe that that's
why I do this work. But I do believe that
humanity has to change, and I think about it now,
you know. I mean when my daughter was an elementary
school and I was doing readings, and when I was
in California, I was known for like being a famous medium,
and I didn't even want to be a medium actually
at all. It kind of scared me. And for some
reason I was really known for that. And so my
daughter went to school, elementary school, and said that my
mother talks to dead people, and the school called me
and I had to go to school and talk to them,
and they, you know, and they said, well, what do
you do? And I said, well, actually, I you know,
she's right, And they thought it was great. But you know,
now in twenty twenty four, nobody even thinks it's a
big deal. But back then it was a big deal.
Speaker 1: Oh it was a huge deal.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean they you know, I thought Child Protection
Services was going to get involved, and you know, she
was gonna have to go to special counseling, and so
would I and and you know, but now you know,
everybody that you know, you know, vibrates higher and they
believe in higher consciousness, but not to the degree that
we're going to. So I think that I'm really excited
about two years from now you know, I don't think
I don't care about the election. You know, I do
care for personal reasons about certain things, but I know
that those little things just get us to that bigger
picture of the two years because that's when I feel
like humanity really does change on a grand, grand scale,
and I think it's an exciting time to be around.
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a catalyst for that change
or is it just going to happen?
Speaker 2: There will there will be a catalyst.
Speaker 1: And uh, but every so everybody, So everyone watching and
listening when she's pausing, and I'm just gonna and I'm
please correct me if I'm wrong. You're hearing the answers
coming in from the other side, and you're right.
Speaker 2: And I'm also I'm also trying to worded to not
make you know, the average person freak out or collapse
with panic, because I never want to do that. And again,
I don't think that that's what it's going to be.
So I believe that there's a few things that happen.
We do have the financial crisis that again it's not
in the long run we're better off, but a lot
of people don't meet it like that, So there'll be
a lot of panic. There will be something similar to
COVID but different that makes this panic, and there will
be more beings. And again this is where you know
a lot of people that know what I do for
a living. You know, I am a medium and I
am a psychic, but I don't talk about aliens often
and hardly ever. But I believe that there's going to
be a lot of I don't want to say alien
invasion because that sounds, you know, not very yeah, right,
But I do believe, you know, kind of the idea
that that regular people will have inner actions with aliens
or or higher beings from other galaxies that there's no
question to happen, not just like you know, oh I
think it might have happened. They're like no, no, no,
last Tuesday at three o'clock, this happened, you know, and
people from all across the world. Because I think that
that invasion, which again it's not a scary thing, it's
not an invasion, but that like, we need beings that
are higher than us to kind of, you know, remind
us that you guys are still not where you need
to be. We're light years, no pun intended, ahead of
you guys. So I do believe that you're going to
hear a lot more of that. And I do think
that people, kind of mainstream people try to steer away
from that idea of like what we think an alien
is because it seems so foreign and even myself, I mean,
I even I'm imagining a month from now, and you know,
my neighbor who's going to get the mail is going
to see me and he's going to be like, what
it's going to happen with these aliens? Are all these
other people that are going to say this, but it
should just kind of be I don't want to say obvious,
but it feels really obvious to me that that would
be the next step. And I think that is the
catalyst that part.
Speaker 1: And that I have a dream that one day people
in the future will look back on the show as
an oddity that they're like, they really needed to talk
about this kind of stuff about frequency and operation, and
like it's just so rudimentary. It's a It's the equivalent
of you and I looking back in two thousand, you know,
two thousand years ago and going, don't you guys get
that that's not know and that's do you not hear
what Jesus is saying, I mean, he has he's got
some good ideas here, guys, like what's going on? Like
it would that kind of right Somewhere there'll be a
computer and some kid will log in and go next level?
So who is this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Mom? What's a psychic? Aren't we psychic? Everyone's psychic?
Speaker 2: H what I mean exactly? Because they'll already be at
their highest level, vibrating high on a regular basis, not
you know, us getting to that point. I one percent agree,
And to me, it feels like that just seems like
the natural stuff for everybody. But I mean, I think that,
you know, the big message is is that we live
our daily life a lot of people in fear because
most people, you know, I tell people, we are supposed
to enjoy the whole thing. We don't just enjoy it
when we get to the point we think we're supposed
to get to, but along the way, you know, even
during the trials and tribulations, because if you don't enjoy
all of it, you know. I mean, sometimes I'll do
a reading for a person and a young person and
it'll be a young woman, let's say thirty years old,
and I'll, you know, tell her who she's going to marry.
And I can't tell you how many times they'll say
to me that that bride to be will say, well, well,
I be happy, And I said, what, that's what you're
hoping for? I said, you know what, you might not
be happy because if you're happy now, you know, just
because you get to that point you meet Prince Charmy,
maybe you won't be happy. Because happiness is a state
of mind. It's being in the moment and living your
best life, feeling hopeful, feeling positive, knowing that you can
get through all this. It's not that you know when
you get to this end road that all these great
things happen. That's not really the idea. And I think
that that's kind of what motivates me to do readings.
I mean, because I don't know that I would always
want to do this. It doesn't always feel great in
doing it, you know, on a daily basis, giving individual
readings day after day after day. But every time I
do a reading, I feel joyful. I feel hopeful because
it does change people's lives. Because even though I feel like,
all right, I know this, I know this because of
everything I've gone through. But that doesn't mean that the
person next to me knows it, and I do believe
that it helps everybody and changes your life.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to ask you a few questions, ask
all of my questions about all my guests. What is
your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: Living a fulfilled life? Well, I feel like I live
with now, and I think that it is living in
the moment and not being afraid. And when I say
not being afraid, I don't mean like of the Boogeyman,
but like not being afraid of Oh, next week I
might not have enough money, or next week I might
get cancer. Because maybe I will get cancer, or maybe
I won't lose my job. But that's okay. Those things
can happen, and I can be prepared because I'm gonna,
you know, take it one day at a time. So living
a fulfilled life for me is just living for this moment,
not freaking out about the future because I'll worry about
next Tuesday. Next to you, and I do live in
fulfilled life. And I have lived a fulfilled life for
a long time. And I you know, I was a
single parent for many many years, and I you know,
didn't always have a lot of money. I mean I
always made a lot of money, but I was like hustling.
I raised my daughter in Long Island and we lived
in a really great neighborhood. But I was a single
parent and I was like, you know, doing reading after
reading after reading, and it took all the money that
I made to raise her. So it wasn't like we
were rolling in money. So I've gone through a lot
of really difficult things. But even back then, when I was,
you know, struggling in a single parent and hustling, I
felt like my life was fulfilled because I felt like
I understood the meaning of life and I understood that
that's okay. Then I'm going through all that because I
still can live for this moment. So that's what I believe.
Living in the moment is fulfilling.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. Now, if you had
a chance to go back in time and speak to
the and what advice would you give her?
Speaker 2: Oh make me cry, I would say, Well to.
Speaker 1: Un beautiful, how do you define God or source?
Speaker 2: I think God is us all. I think that we're
bits and pieces of God. But you know, humanity is God,
so you know, we're all you know, you and I
and you know the other billions of people are God.
And I believe that when we get to when we're
able to reach our higher consciousness, we're like, oh, I
don't know I was always God. I don't know I
was Jesus, but we are. And I think that that's
what it is. I think it's higher consciousness. And I
think you know. One thing I do have to say
that feels important is that I do feel like time
is an illusion. And even that feels confusing to say
even I'm kind of confused, but I know that. So
like I know that my fifty seven year old self,
who is talking to my twelve year old self to say,
jump out of the window, because even though you talked
to the FBI two hours ago and they know that
you're missing and you've been on the TV, they're not
going to save you. So you have to jump out
of the window to get out. You have to save yourself.
It's all happening right now. I don't believe this past
president in future. I believe it's all now, which is
so confusing. People are like what, So that's why I
would say to my younger self, well done, because you
know it brings us all to this full circle moment.
I think life is all of us interacting so that
we can build our higher consciousness, so that as humanity
we can work together. We can be one. You know,
we can you know how we feel connected to one person.
You meet somebody, You can meet somebody at a party
and you just naturally gravitate towards them and you're like,
oh my god, it feels like we've known each other forever.
I think that that is when we feel like that
mostly about everybody, and that it's just the big picture
of us all coming together. That it's not you know,
I could want a certain president to win, and you
could want somebody else, and I could, you know, have
a different career than you do. We can all have differences,
but we're vibrating the same way because we're vibrating high.
Because I think that when we go through wars or
disease or famine or kidnappings or whatever, that's us vibrating
very low, our lower consciousness. That's not our higher being.
So that's you know, that's here we're supposed to be here.
Speaker 1: So the question was what is love?
Speaker 2: Oh? All sort Oh, I think love is is that
I think love is everything. I think it's us being
collectively together. I think it's a state of being. I
feel like it's hopefulness. I feel like it's me feeling
like I feel connected to you. I feel that love
is everything. I think that love is the bottom line
that because if love wasn't the basis of the foundation
you want to go forward, It almost keeps you going.
But it's easy to recognize love when everything's great, when
you have enough money, when you're married to the right person,
when your kids are great, you know, when life is good. Oh,
it's easy to define love. It's really really hard to
define love when you don't know where your next paycheck's
coming from, or if you are even going to have one,
when you have termed middle cancer, when your kids are missing,
when you you know, when really awful things are happening.
But that is love too, because you have to You
have to go through both to experience both the light
and the dark.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: I think to go through our human existence, our human
experience for soul's perfection, to learn to grow to become
higher beings. Because I feel like when we are no
longer here and we are on the other side, which
is just right in front of me, you know, vibrating
at a different It's not heaven, you know, three thousand
miles in a cloud somewhere. It's just you know, somebody
passed aways, you know, eight inches away from me or
foot away from me, and they're vibrating at a very
high speed. So I think that ask the question against
I can answer.
Speaker 1: That, what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's to live our human experience for
soul's perfection, to learn to be the highest elevated spiritual
being that we can be. So it's like going through school,
you know, you go through first grade through tenth grade
to learn same thing with.
Speaker 1: This, and where can people find out more about you
and the amazing work that you're doing in the world.
Speaker 2: So just like I was not on Facebook and I
still am not, I do have a website that I
started a year ago, so that just started and that's
my name, a Nettburka dot com and that's how to
find me.
Speaker 1: And I will put that link in the show notes
and in the description and then that Do you have
any parting messages for the audience?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I would say to anybody who is
watching or listening to not and you know, again, we
all feel different about different things, and some things may
come across as scary, but that is never my intention,
because I mean, really truly living a life of many
different things happening to me, I know that there is
a greater purpose for all of us. I know that
to live a hopeful, joyful life again, despite what's going on,
is the meaning of life, and that you know, we
can get to the other side and to try to
vibrate as high as we can't to get through it.
And I think that that is, you know, my message
for everybody. When I do a reading for anybody, it
always is to you know, I do medita before I
do a reading, and I always say, because I'm always
worried it's not going to work. Even though I've done
you know, hundreds of thousands of readings since I was
a kid, I still am nervous every time, and I
just say, please tell me something that I can help
this person. And so I just want everyone to know
that whatever you get from this today, it's it's not
meant to be scary. It is actually the opposite, that
there is you know, something more for you waiting that
you can get through it, that there is a reason
to get through it, that you know there is a
light at the end of the tunnel for sure.
Speaker 1: And that it has been absolutely a pleasure talking to
you today. Thank you so much for being so raw
and honest and sharing your your journey with all of us.
I hope it really does help a lot of people watching.
And I look forward to our next conversation in studio.
Speaker 2: He'll be in yes, yes, time, Yeah, in person, my advisor. Yes.
I cannot wait. And I want to thank you for
this opportunity because, like I said, there's things I've shared
today that I didn't plan on shitting. I didn't think
I actually if you would have asked me three hours ago,
I said, I would have said, there's no way I'm
going to say that, And it just felt right, imperfect,
and I appreciate the opportunity to even have said that
because I do think it makes a difference.
Speaker 1: So thank you, and I appreciate you. Thank you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you, have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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