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the show at Netbrica. Hi doing net? Hi?

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Speaker 2: How are you? Thanks for having me?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm

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excited to talk to you about your credible mystical journeys

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that you have had in your life. So my first

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question before we get to go down that rabbit hole

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of the near death experience you had, what was your

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life like before the near death experience?

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Speaker 2: So my near death experience happened when I was about

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seven or eight years old, so I was my parents

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were divorced. I lived with my mom, my brother, and

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my sister, and I would you know, say that it

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was typical of in the seventies what a divorce family

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would have felt like. But I knew that I was psychic,

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even at a really early age, but I didn't really care.

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I mean, I knew things that would happen. I would

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see my family members when they were going to pass over.

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I would see their faces melting, and a few people

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in my family and people I knew that were much

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older were psychic, so I was familiar with it, but

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I was just a kid. I didn't really care about

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that necessarily. So when the near death experience happened at

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a very young age, I mean I knew right away

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what it was, but at seven years old, it completely

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changed my life. Because even now I'm fifty seven years old,

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and when I think fifty years ago that this happened.

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Once it happens, it can never not happen. You don't

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ever not remember it. I don't, you know, It's just

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like it happened yesterday, even now. So it kind of

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set me up for living a life of really of gratitude,

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of feeling grateful and thankful even as a really young kid,

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and that there was a bigger picture of everything, so

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that the way that my life ended up evolving. There

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were a lot of really scary, terrifying things that happened,

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but I think that the near death experience happened so

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that I did get a big picture feeling at seven

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years old. So you know, at that moment, I wasn't

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I knew it was profound. It did change the way

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I thought about things, But I didn't until about I

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was ten, and then twelve is when I really understood

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why it happened. But it was it's transformative. You know.

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I've said to a couple of people in the past

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that whether or not people have had near death experiences,

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it's like one of the greatest gifts you could ever have.

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I mean, I feel bad that people have to die

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for a period of time to have it, but having it,

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and especially at a young age, it changes everything that

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you think. It changes how you feel about the world

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because you know that there is more than this. I

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guess that that's the meaning. You know that there is

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a higher beings. So even if you're religious, even if

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you know I was Catholic going to church and I

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knew about God, but you know, I was seven, I

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really care about God, but I got it. I got

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that there was a big patro And I remember after

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the near death experience, like telling my family members about it,

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and they, you know, they were in their fifties and

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nineties and seventies, and they're like, wait, what happened, and

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its it. It's just a life changing, game changer event.

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Speaker 1: So when you you work, when this happened to you.

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I mean, you're right. It actually gives you a gift

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of understanding that we're not this is not it, And

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that's a that's a question marked the most human beings

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on the planet have, like what happens after we die? Yes,

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but you had you had a gift of clarity of

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truth given to you at a very very young age.

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So what happened? How did how did you have your NDE?

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Speaker 2: So I was at school. I was in the hot

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lunch line. It was, you know, a big long line,

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but it was me and two of my friends, and

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there was a record a free standing record player like

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on a metal stand, and we were right next to it,

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and we were going to play a game that who

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could hold their breath the longest, and there was, like

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I said, three of us. I was gonna go last.

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the next thing I knew, I was in the nurse's

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office because so I passed out. I hit my head

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on the metal stand. I was in the nurse's office.

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But before I came to, I saw a white light

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and I saw a tunnel and kind of like the

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classic story almost of what you hear about a near

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death experience, but not a tunnel that was small like big,

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but you could you felt like you knew that you

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were surrounded by something. So I was in a tunnel

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and I felt myself like going towards this white light,

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but not like I was walking, like I was being

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like shuffled or scooted forward, like just being pushed forward,

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but not me walking. And I saw this white light.

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it wasn't just a white light. It was I could

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hear music, and it was also a white light, but

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with colors as well. And it was almost like you

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know on fourth of July when you have a sparkler

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and it's you know, sizzling and sparkling like like crackling

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like kind of sparkling to it, and you just felt

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complete love, I mean, and I felt like I was

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embraced by it, and you felt like an enveloping of

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love and you're not afraid and you I was scooted

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towards this white light, and I just felt like I

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was home, you know. And I'm seven years old. I

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don't even think, I know what I would even say

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the definition of home was, but I felt like I

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was home and I and then all of a sudden,

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I was told that I had to go and that

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I was being scooted back, but I did not want

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to go. I wanted to stay and I and I

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also knew that it was not in the same realm.

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I knew that I wasn't like in the consciousness realm.

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I knew I was in a different realm. And I

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felt like I knew that I had passed away or

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that I was passing or about to pass. But I

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was told that no, no, this was not your time.

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I was in the nurse's office. She was leaning over me,

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and you know, just say what happened. And I didn't tell,

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like I said my family members till a day or

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two later. And then when I realized what that was,

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and you know, I realized them. But once I had

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that conversation, I felt like I went from seven to

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like thirty. Immediately I felt old, or even though I

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was still a kid and I was doing kid things,

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just It's really such a gift. You know, that stupid

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holding my breath in the lunch line was one of

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the best things that's ever happened to me in my

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whole life. It was really fabulous. And even now when

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I talk to people and you know, and like you said,

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many people, the big question they have is, you know

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what is outit there? You know what happens when we

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pass away? And I tried to always when I do

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a reading, convey a little bit of that story because

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I do feel like it's a game changer because I

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can say it with such conviction because I went through it.

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So you know, sometimes they say if a thousand people

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were to come in the room and they didn't believe

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it or they questioned me on it, I would I

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would be able to tell a story in such a

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way that would make everybody because it because it's like

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it just happened yesterday, It was it was forever. It

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altered my life. But I believe that the reason why

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that happened in hindsight now is because all the things

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that were going to happen to me so that I

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was brave enough and courageous enough to get through what

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I needed to so I do think it happened for

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a real particular reason.

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Speaker 1: So it was a primer if you will.

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Speaker 2: Yes for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you when you came back, you said

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it took you a couple of days to tell you parents.

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recovering Catholic myself, so yeah, me too, I'm.

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Speaker 2: A recovering Catholic. Exactly what I say.

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Speaker 2: I think that they were kind of afraid for me.

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and it was overwhelming, and they didn't want me to

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be afraid that I had maybe you know, was about

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to die. But I wasn't afraid. I was the opposite

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of afraid. I was, And I think that it only

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not the stable one my so I didn't want to

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tell my mom right away because she was unstable. So

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I waited a day to talk to my father, who

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lived out of state, to tell him. And you know,

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he he understood it, he he, but I think he

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was afraid that I thought it was too much. I

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don't think I did a good enough job at the

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time of explaining no, No, this was fabulous. It was

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a great gift. So, you know, he accepted that I

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went through it, but I think that he was trying

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to trying to make me not afraid. But I wasn't

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afraid at all. I was the opposite of afraid.

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Speaker 1: Right now, how long did you Did you keep this

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't tell everybody that I met because I

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was trying to be a normal kid, you know, because

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here I was not really normal, but I was acting

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like I was normal. I knew things I shouldn't know,

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even though I knew a lot of people that were psychic.

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I dealt with, my friends and their families didn't really

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know about that or care about that. So I didn't

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death experience, you know, now, I'm like an alien almost.

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but not really like my friends and stuff, not too

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And now back to the show. When did you decide

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to come out of the closet publicly?

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Speaker 2: Well, my whole story just a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Actually, oh really, so before then you weren't talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing readings since I was twelve, because

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once so I had the near death experience. And then

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after that, my spirit guide came to me in a

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way that I actually saw my spirit guide in the

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room with my sister shared a bedroom, and so my

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spirit guid came to both of us, and in a

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way that I mean there was no question. I mean,

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I knew it was my spirit guide. And then after that,

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then I saw a videotape of my life when I

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was of my life, of a chain of events that

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were going to happen. So one night I was sleeping

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and in a state of so I wasn't really sleeping,

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my eyes were shut, but I was awake, and I

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saw videotape up here of all these different things that

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would happen to a person in many different stages of

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their life. So I was ten at the time, I

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then thirty, then fifty, then even older than I am now.

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And at the time, I didn't see the person's face,

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and I actually didn't even know what was me because

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I didn't see her face. But because I saw all

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these milestones of different major things, like I saw something

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that would happen when she was twelve. Then I saw

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that she would get divorced. Then I saw these different things.

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So I thought it was just a series of events

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for other people. I thought it was like the same

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kind of thing that I see about psychic things with

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other people. But when I turned twelve years so one

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of the things that I did see when I was

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tent was that at there was a girl that was

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about twelve years old that she would be abducted, and

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I saw that there was a period of three days

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that she would be kidnapped and then she would you know,

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be taken from her home, and that a lot of

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awful things would happen, and that I saw that. It's

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like almost like watching a movie where you're where you're

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rooting for the main character. You want them to get

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out of this scary situation. So when I was seeing it.

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I mean, I saw this little girl like terrified, like

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scared to death, and I could see what they were

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doing to this girl, and it was really her like horrific,

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and I was trying to cheer her along, and I

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was trying to like give her hope, like tell her

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you're gonna get okay, You're gonna be okay, you're gonna

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get out, you know, somehow you're gonna make it. And

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I was, you know, like in real time, like you know,

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cause one of the things I tell people is that

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time is an illusion. And even that seems like so

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confusing and so broad, but it was me cheering this

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twelve year old on in real time, saying, Okay, just

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keep your wits about you, you know, stay above water,

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because you're you gotta get out of this. So it

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ends up that two years later that was me. I

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was abducted from my bedroom from two strangers. They kidnapped

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me in the middle of the night. It was over

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a three day period, and they put me in a car.

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They had duct tape in my eyes, in my mouth,

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and I went in. So it ends up that it

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was four miles away from my home. The next day

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when my mother realized that I wasn't home. She called

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the police and the FBI. And back then it was

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nineteen seventy nine. As a child, as minor, they didn't

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tell your name on TV. They so they showed like

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my face, but they blinked it out. They didn't say

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my name. And so they had said that, you know,

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here's this missing girl. And the FBI was at my

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mom's house. So that happened for a three day period.

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So when this was happening, I was like laying on

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a crack mattress and so I was. I had a

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duct tape on my mouth and my eyes, and there

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was a Christian radio station on in this room, this

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bedroom that I was stuck in with these two guys,

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but they were having parties and they would I had

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this music on loud, but there was a Christian radio

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station on it. At one point it kept saying, if

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you believe in God, you know, ask God for whatever

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you need. God is here. God will listen. And here

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I am. I'm you know, I'm being you know, beaten, raped, drugged.

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And at this time I didn't even know how long

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I had been there. It ended up that I was

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there for three days but at that time I didn't know.

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I had no concept at the time, and I thought, okay,

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if there's a God, yeah, God, I could use you,

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you know, if you're here, I need you right now.

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And so I got brave and I took the duct

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tape off my eyes, and I saw that there was

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a window in the room, and that the the and

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it was in September, and that the window was up,

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and that the shears were like billowy. So I knew

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that the window was up, and I saw that there

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was a phone right next to the mattress that it

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was on. So I hurried up. I picked up the

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phone and I called my mom, and the FBI got

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on the phone and they said, listen, you've been gone

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for a few days. Tell us, you know, look out

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the window. Try to describe your surroundings. And so I did.

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But then I heard these you know, bad guys come

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back up the stage. So I heard him, hung up

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the phone with my tape back on my eyes, and

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then like about an hour later, when whatever happened happened,

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they went back downstairs. I thought, I got to get

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myself out of this. They're going to kill me if

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I don't. You know, and then I realized that, you know,

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I was that girl that I saw two years ago.

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I was that girl. And even though you know sometimes

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that I tell people now and they're like, well, okay,

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so you got kidnapped and you didn't realize that you

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were that girl when you were ten, I said, well, yeah,

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it's easy now to remember. But I had seen so

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many things, and you know, you're not You're connecting all

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of it. And I realized then that I was going

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to get away because I was going to get away,

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not because the FBI was going to charge through the

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door and save me. I had to save myself, so

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I hurry up, I got dressed, I jumped out of

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a second story window and I broke my foot, but

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I hobbled over to the next door neighbor, and I

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remember like it happened yesterday. I mean, there was a

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young guy who was like in his thirties who was

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lying underneath his corvette working on it. So I can

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only see his legs, and I thought, oh, you know,

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I hope I can get his attention. So I said,

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I guess I was crying, and he came out from

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underneath the car and he said, oh, you the girl

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that's been on TV. And I said yes, and we

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hurried up and we went into his house and he

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called Night one one and the police and the FBI came,

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and so it ends up that they were caught. They

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did go to trial six months later. They were both

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sentenced to thirty to sixty years in prison each. They

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served twenty six years in prison. But at the time

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when I was getting ready for my trial, the FBI

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agents that were in my house, So there were two

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FBI agents on the case, and they said to me

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when I explained that I kind of knew that this

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was going to happen and that's why if I had

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the nerve to jump out of the second story window.

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And they're like, well, what do you mean, how did

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you know? And I kind of told them and they said, listen,

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we actually have a couple other cases, like missing person

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cases were working on. Can can you help us? And

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at that point I had never done anything psychically. I

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just knew things, but I never like gave anybody information.

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I said, well, I think I can, but I don't

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know how, and they said, well, you know, we need help,

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so whatever you can do will be helpful. So then

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I said, well, let's let's try it. And so they

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gave me a little bit of information. And at the moment,

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I don't think we all thought that I would start

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solving cases necessarily. We just thought, well, we'll see what happens,

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We'll see if I could help. And I actually, in

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that six month time solved two cases for the FBI.

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So here I was preparing for my own trial, and

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then I was solving two cases for them, And that's

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just kind of how it evolved. And so from that

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point on, then we were six months later they got

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you know, they went to jail, to prison, both of them,

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and so about a year later, I was thirteen years old.

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So then I went and moved in with my father

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and I said to him, listen, I need to know

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why this happened, because even though you know, I got

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away and they went to prison, and you know, everything's

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kind of okay, why would they pick me, you know they?

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And so my father showed me two New York Times articles.

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One one of the kidnappers had escaped from a prison

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in Schenectady, New York, seven months prior and drove to

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where I was living in Michigan to come and kidnap me.

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In particular, so it was it was some random it

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was a setup. He was coming to get me. And

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so I said to my father, what he escaped from prison?

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Because I didn't know that at the time of the trial.

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When I was, you know, testifying, I didn't have to

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back then, I didn't have to be in the courtroom

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with them, so I got to testify. They were not

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in the courtroom then when they testified, I didn't have

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to be in there. So when my father told me

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a year later that, you know, one of them was

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an escape convict from prison, and then I got really

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really afraid. I thought, you got because thinking it was

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random was less scary than knowing that somebody escaped from

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prison and drove all this way for seven months and

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came and got me, and you know, and I was

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really really terrified. So then here I was trying to

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live a normal kid life. I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

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years old. I was, you know, a cheerleader. I was

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doing you know, book reports, whatever normal kids do. But

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then I was the FBI were contacting me and asking

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me to help themselves cases on the side, I wasn't

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getting paid for it. Then the local police, I was

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doing that for them as well, and even one of

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my best friends in high school. I remember I went

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over to her house one day and we were just

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hanging out and her father, who was like the local

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police detective, who I didn't know was my girlfriend's father.

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When we both saw each other in the kitchen, we

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had to act like we didn't know each other because

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I was helping him on local cases. But I didn't

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know that that was his daughters. So we know had

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because nobody knew that I was doing that except the

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people that knew. So when I graduated from high school,

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I thought, all right, I don't really want this life.

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You know, here I was like solving all these cases.

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I was a psychic. But I didn't really want to

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do that. So I moved to California because I thought,

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I'm going to reinvent myself. I'm going to just I

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don't know sol.

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Speaker 1: So before we go to California, I want to go

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back for a second. Couple questions. One, why did that man?

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Why did that man escape and go after you? What

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was the purpose?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the ship.

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Speaker 2: So this actually nobody knows except you. Know a few

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people that know. So this is the first time I'm

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sharing this with you. It endscept that, yeah, and I

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appreciate you because I mean, there's and this is even

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why I came out with my story a year ago,

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because of all the chant of events that I'm about

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to tell you. So it ends up that my mom

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once my mom and dad got divorced, and like I said,

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my mom was the unstable one. We were living with

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my mom, me, my brother, and my sister, and we

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had I'm from Chicago. My mom had a few boyfriends,

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so we went from Chicago. When they got divorced, we

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moved to Arizona, and then we ended up moving to Michigan.

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This is where it happened to me. In Michigan, my

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mom had a string of boyfriends and she had drug

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and alcohol problems. But one night, her and her boyfriend

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were in a bar and they were drunk or high

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or both or whatever, and they made a five dollars

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bet with one of the other kidnappers that if they

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lost the bet that they could come and my mom

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would leave the back door open and he could kidnap me.

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So he contacted so for and my mom lost the

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five dollar bet, so she she and he told her

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that one of his buddies had escaped from prison. He

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was on the way to Michigan. And so it ends up.

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So this happened over Labor Day weekend. On the Friday

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night that this happened to me, so I was going

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into seventh grade. That night, I wanted to spend the

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night at my best friend's house who lived next door

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to me, and that was like a and my mom

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really didn't care where I was at, you know. So

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that night I said, you know, this is like my

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last hurrah before seventh grade? Can I spend the night

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at Sonzo's house that night? And she said no. And

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not only did she say no, she made me, my brother,

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and my sister go to bed like really early, like

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at eight o'clock at night, which is again not typical

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of her. That night, my sister went to go shut

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the back door when my mom forced the three of

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us to go to bed at eight o'clock at night,

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and my sister saw that the screen door and the

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and the lock on the door were like broken. So

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my sister went to my mom and said, I can't

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00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,039
locked the back door because it's broken. My Mom's like,

480
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:04,079
don't worry about it. My sister Barb said, no, what

481
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,400
we have to worry about it? What do you mean?

482
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,839
And my Mom's like, no, no, no, don't worry about it.

483
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,960
So that's why it happened, because my mom made this

484
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:12,720
bet and wow.

485
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: So okay, that's a that's a whole other that's a

486
00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:20,200
whole other rabbit hole. Okay, So my next question is

487
00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:23,160
you said that you saw a videotape of your life

488
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,559
or something equivalent to a videotypic you. When and how

489
00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:27,240
did you see that?

490
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: So when I was so my near death experience happened

491
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,599
when I was steping in again. It gave me this

492
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,559
feeling of and at that point I just thought, Okay,

493
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:35,720
I'm a psychic kid. I'm like a little bit weird.

494
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:37,720
I didn't really want everyone to know that and that I

495
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,319
had the near death experience. And at that moment, I

496
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,559
just thought, well, maybe this is what happens to kids

497
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,119
that are psychic, that you have like this near death experience,

498
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,720
so you have a bigger idea of the world. So

499
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,319
at that moment, that's what I thought, That's what it was,

500
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,920
and I did feel good about that. Then at a

501
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,000
couple of years later is when my spirit guide came

502
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,240
into the bedroom with me and my sister. My sister

503
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,920
and I were sharing a bedroom. We had twin beds,

504
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,519
and my sister was in the middle of the night

505
00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,240
and she started crying and she I woke up and

506
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,319
she pointed to the door, and in the doorway, like

507
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,400
the whole size of the doorframe was like a silhouette

508
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,359
or like a three D figure or like a hologram

509
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,759
of what looked like almost like a figure of like

510
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:23,119
Abraham Lincoln. And when I say Abraham Lincoln, it was

511
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,240
because he wore a really big, tall hat. And at

512
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,839
that time, I was like maybe nine years old, That's

513
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,519
what I thought, And so I didn't know what this was.

514
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,599
I didn't know this was my spirit guide. My sister

515
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,400
was really afraid and she was crying, and I said,

516
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,599
just put the covers over your head, don't look. I

517
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,519
could not not look, so I kept looking, and I

518
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,319
wasn't afraid. I knew that this being was there for

519
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,319
me and not for my sister. My sister was just

520
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,039
unfortunately there and so I kept looking at this being,

521
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,200
and then the next thing I know, I woke up

522
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,880
the next morning and my sister and I were getting

523
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,880
ready for school, and she was really upset, didn't want

524
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,440
to go to school. And I said to her, do

525
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,759
you remember? Because I didn't at that point, I didn't

526
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:02,640
know I was dreaming. I said, hey, I remember, do you?

527
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,240
And then when we compare notes, and then I went

528
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,519
to people that I knew in my family that were

529
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,920
psychic and other psychics, and I said, you know, this

530
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,839
being came and they said, oh, that's your spirit guide.

531
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,000
And I said, oh my not. What what do I do?

532
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,319
And so they said, well, he's going to help you,

533
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,519
they said, name him. So I named him David because

534
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720
you know, I didn't name him something spiritual because I

535
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,519
was a kid. So I named him David. And they said, well,

536
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:25,880
he's here to help you when you need help. But

537
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,559
I didn't want to help, but you know, I still did.

538
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,880
Was didn't want people to know I was psychic. So

539
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,640
I said to David, who kept showing up, listen, stop

540
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,440
doing that. I'll let you know when I want to

541
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,839
know something. You just, you know, quit doing this to me.

542
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,160
And I said, and by the way, would you quit

543
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,160
stop making my family member's face melts, because that's not

544
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,079
helping either. I want to just ride my bike. I

545
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:46,680
want to do normal things. So we kind of had

546
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,599
this deal that when I wanted to know something, he

547
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,519
would like put a message in my head, or I

548
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,839
would put a message in his head, like saying, can

549
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,759
you help me out. A year later is when when

550
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,880
I was sleeping, I saw this videotape of again the

551
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,680
person's life. But again I didn't know it wasn't me,

552
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,839
and I didn't know it was one person of all

553
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,880
these things that were transpired. So when I ended up

554
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,839
jumping out of the window, I realized then the near

555
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,799
death experience helped me because it helped me know that

556
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,559
there is a bigger picture. There's not just me making

557
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,200
all these decisions. There is a higher being helping me,

558
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,319
higher consciousness, And you know back then, I mean, you know,

559
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,359
forty five years ago, because this is the forty fifth

560
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,119
year of it happening. Forty five years ago, I didn't

561
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,400
think of higher consciousness. I didn't even know what higher

562
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,839
consciousness meant. But I knew enough to know that there

563
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,599
was a big picture. So I knew that the near

564
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,039
death experience happened to set me up so that when

565
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,319
my spirit guide showed up, I wouldn't be so freaked

566
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,000
out and that I could say, you know, hey, don't

567
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,440
don't show up unless if I need you, and then

568
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,519
to prepare me for the kidnapping and the rape that

569
00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:53,440
I went through, because now what I realize, you know,

570
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,440
I tell people all the time, I would never even

571
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,279
though I was psychic, I would never have done this

572
00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,519
professionally for sure. I mean there's no question. I mean

573
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,480
I don't even even sometimes I don't want to do

574
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,599
it now. I didn't have a choice, and I always

575
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,799
I realize now that I had to go through the

576
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,039
events that I went through because I had to go

577
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,400
through really difficult things to understand how how lucky we

578
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,279
are to be alive. And even though you can go

579
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,160
through really horrible, terrible things, you can get through those.

580
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,599
And I believe that we're here for two reasons. One

581
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,400
is our human life that we're supposed to go through

582
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,119
to get through obstacles and experiences to learn for our

583
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,880
soul's perfection. But then once we can master that, if

584
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,359
we can, then we go to what we call our

585
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,519
sole purpose life, which is us living at a higher

586
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,720
vibration where we are experiencing love and joy as much

587
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,400
as we can. To the degree you know, for the

588
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,200
rest of our journey, and I believe that that is

589
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,440
about helping other people. So when I moved to California

590
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:53,240
after high school again thinking I was gonna, you know,

591
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,640
get out of this area. I didn't want people in

592
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920
Chicago because I hadn't moved back with my father at

593
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,839
that time to know who I was. And then actually

594
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960
the opposite happened. You know. I thought I was going

595
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,960
to be a genius and reinvent myself. But then I

596
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720
started hanging out with celebrities. They knew who I was,

597
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,839
and so here I was. I did the opposite of

598
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,279
what I wanted to do. I was more in the limelight.

599
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,319
I was not only doing readings for like really big shots,

600
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,440
you know, I mean even people now forty years later

601
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:20,640
that I've been doing since I was a kid. I

602
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,319
mean really well known, very famous people. And then I

603
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,039
was hanging out with them. And back then there wasn't

604
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,680
a lot of remote readings, so I would, you know,

605
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,480
I was in my twenties hanging out with these celebrities

606
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:34,799
and producers and movie stars and athletes, and then I started.

607
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:36,400
I did that for about four years, and then I

608
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,079
got a freight I thought, you know, what I didn't

609
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,960
really have a reference to one of these guys would

610
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,480
get out of jail, but I knew that they would,

611
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,559
and it started to terrify me that here I am, like,

612
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,279
you know, who do I think I am? Now I'm

613
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,519
in California hanging out with like celebrities, so it would

614
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,480
be easy for these bad guys to find out who

615
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,160
I was. And I knew. And again, because it wasn't random,

616
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,519
I thought, when they get out of jail, they're going

617
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,480
to come back for me. They're not. You know, this

618
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,920
is not going to be one and done. So after

619
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,920
about four years, I moved to New York and I thought, Okay,

620
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,759
now I am going to do the opposite. I'm not

621
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:07,720
gonna I'll be psychic. And I said to the universe

622
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,880
in my spirit, I said, listen, if you want me

623
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,759
to do readings, I'll do them. But I'm I'm not advertising.

624
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,799
I'm not gonna nobody's gonna know who I am. And

625
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,920
you better send me to people to me because I

626
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,599
nobody's gonna know anything that I do. And so that's

627
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,640
what happened. People would come to me, they were referred

628
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,720
and I would like give them the third degree. I

629
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,359
would say, well, who referred to you? And they'd say, oh,

630
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,160
my cousin Tommy, and I'd say, who's Tommy. You know

631
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,000
what I was really if you didn't tell me exactly

632
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,839
who referred to you, I would refuse to do the reading.

633
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,640
And so that's how it just built. And so from

634
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,799
the age of twelve until you know, all these years later,

635
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,759
I had this huge clientele and I would do all

636
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,079
these readings for all these people, and you know, not

637
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,359
just celebrities and wealthy people, but I mean everyday average people.

638
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,880
But it gave me a life of gratitude because I

639
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680
felt that I was helping a tremendous amount of people.

640
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,319
But I was also the entire time always helping the

641
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,960
police and the FBI with missing children because I always

642
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,559
felt obligated to do that because of my own situation.

643
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,960
I remember being in that situation like praying that somebody

644
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,200
would save me, and you know, not thinking that that

645
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,799
would happen, and to a point where I thought, you know,

646
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,720
they're going to kill me. You know, that's it. There's

647
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
I'm not going to get out of this. And so

648
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,519
now you know, even though helping with missing children is

649
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,480
really a hard thing to do, and that's something that

650
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,960
I love doing. I never turn it down because I

651
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,599
want to always help whenever I can. So at this point,

652
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,680
a year ago, I had an opportunity to be on

653
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,839
somebody's podcasts, and so I have throughout my career had

654
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,680
many opportunities to be on it. I was on TV

655
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,440
a few times, I was did many radio shows, and

656
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000
I at the time, throughout my career, I wasn't even

657
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,720
doing it to promote myself. I was you know, I

658
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
would have a client that would say, let's say, have

659
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,559
a radio show and ask me to be on it,

660
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:50,680
and I was here and I'll do it, but I

661
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,680
wouldn't really even give my contact information.

662
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

663
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:01,799
and now back to the show.

664
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,279
Speaker 2: And so the reason why I agreed to do this

665
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,920
podcast a year ago is because I found out that

666
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,279
that so one of the kidnappers is on death row.

667
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
When they got out of prison after twenty six years,

668
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,279
he reoffended and murdered girls and raped them and he's

669
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,160
on death row. The other one that escaped from prison

670
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,440
did reoffend. He went back to prison several times. But

671
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,559
I found out that a year ago he was going

672
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000
to be off garole for life. I found out he

673
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,640
also lives thirty minutes from where I live in New Jersey.

674
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,000
So I live in New Jersey. But so, you know,

675
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:37,519
the thing is is that when all this happened, what

676
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,680
is supposed to happen is the courts are supposed to

677
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,359
notify you as a minor when something to this degree

678
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,319
happens when somebody gets out of prison, for your own safety.

679
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,640
But because my parents were divorced and then I moved

680
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,200
with my father, I guess I fell through the cracks

681
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,960
and then I became an adult. So I was never

682
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,359
notified that, you know, they had gotten out of prison.

683
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,079
So even though I knew that it would happen, one day,

684
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:00,599
I was I didn't know a timeline. There were sentence

685
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,119
from to thirty to sixty years. I didn't know what

686
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:06,160
was happening. And so when I randomly found out a

687
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400
year ago from my attorney, by the way, I'm something else.

688
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,799
She said, you know, I you know, she knew my

689
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,440
maiden name, and she said, you know, I'm it's it

690
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,359
appears that there's this person on parole. And I was terrified,

691
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,000
and I said, she goes is that you? And I said, yeah,

692
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,680
and she said, you know, he lives not too far

693
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000
away from you. And he was also trying to sue

694
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,279
the State of New York because once you are a

695
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,400
sex offender to that degree with minors and you get

696
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,640
out of prison, you are forever banned from the Internet,

697
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,480
so you couldn't have Facebook. And by the way, I

698
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,799
never had Facebook in my life either because I never

699
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:39,559
wanted them to find me. So I was the only

700
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,880
person on this planet. Even now I'm fifty seven, I

701
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,440
don't have Facebook and the only person that doesn't have

702
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:49,119
Facebook or any social media I have Instagram a few

703
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
years ago because my twenty eight year old daughter, when

704
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,960
she moved out, I wanted to see what she was

705
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,599
up to. So I did an Instagram, you know account.

706
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,319
She realized what I was doing and she blocked me

707
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,960
so that I could. You know, then that was it.

708
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,759
That was my whole thing with social media. So he

709
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:05,599
tried to see the State of New York to get

710
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,240
access to Facebook because he said that was like against

711
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,759
his civil rights. He was declined, but my attorney said,

712
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,640
I think he's looking for you. So I decided I

713
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,400
was going to come out and I was going to

714
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,839
say what happened because one of the things that I

715
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480
found out is that he in that seven months when

716
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,400
he stayed from prison, he was doing terrible things to

717
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,400
other girls and some in the process of working with

718
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880
the FBI now and there are seven murders that took place.

719
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,000
There's four girls that have been identified. We're trying to

720
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,799
identify the other three that we believe that he's associated to.

721
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,720
So here, I was all these years living like this

722
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,160
really private life, even though I was doing these readings.

723
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,079
I didn't really want anyone to know who I was

724
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,079
or you know, how to reach me. But when I

725
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,039
realized that a year ago that he was out there

726
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,799
and he was trying to find me, and he was,

727
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,839
you know, had the audacity to try to sue the

728
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,599
State of New York to get the access to Facebook,

729
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,839
which I don't even have, I thought, you know what, no,

730
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,400
I'm not going to be private. I thought, I'm going

731
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
to tell the world and I'm going to you know,

732
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,359
put him behind bars, and I want everyone to know.

733
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:12,200
And then something unexpected happened that I didn't anticipate. So

734
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,480
when I did the podcast first, I got tons of

735
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:18,720
edible arrangements and flowers and candy and you know, wine,

736
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,440
and from all these clients and people that didn't know

737
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,920
my story and didn't know what happened, because you know,

738
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,279
here I was like, for example, going to you know,

739
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,240
a famous musicians party when I was in the twenties,

740
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,599
and they would ask me, how are you psychic? You

741
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,839
know what makes you so special? But I never wanted

742
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,319
to tell my story. And even though there were a

743
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,680
few people in Hollywood that didn't know my story, they

744
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,359
kept it private. So I would just say, well, I

745
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,720
just yeah, I don't know, I just know things. But

746
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,759
I didn't want them to know. So when it finally

747
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,920
came out a year ago, all these clients of mine

748
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,400
reached out and you know, and you know, they were

749
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,359
so gracious and so wonderful. But then I thought, because

750
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,000
all these years, when I would do a reading and

751
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,039
I would tell people what I would predict, they I

752
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,960
think they thought, you know, well, here you are, you

753
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,359
have such a charmed live. If you're a psychic, you know,

754
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,039
what do you know? How do you you know you

755
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,720
don't really know what it's like to go through difficult

756
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:07,759
things because I never told people that part of it.

757
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,280
And so now I was able to say listen. Not

758
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,840
only because when I do a reading, I do a

759
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920
few things. I don't just tell you what I predict.

760
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,719
I tell you what I predict, but I also say

761
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,639
it's going to be really hard or really sucky for

762
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,400
a while. But this is what this is the light

763
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,039
at the end of the tunnel, this is what you're

764
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,199
working towards. You can get through this. And in the past,

765
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,599
I think people, you know, because again they just thought

766
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,599
it was like me looking at my crystal ball predicting it.

767
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,760
But when I said, I know what you went through

768
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,800
or are going through because I went through this really

769
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,039
terrible thing, it changed my readings. Because even though I was,

770
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,800
you know, famous without being famous, you know, I had

771
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,079
this clientele and I was making tons of money for

772
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,679
forty five years. It was like a new level of

773
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,880
respect and I and I had. And what it did

774
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,519
change things because then people felt different about me. They

775
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,079
felt like the message that I was giving them wasn't

776
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,599
just a hopeful one, but one from you know, a

777
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,119
point of view that I understand the struggle like a

778
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719
human struggle, what it's like going through.

779
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: And uh, and then I have to ask you this question, why,

780
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,840
with all your abilities and all your your understanding of

781
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,119
why things are in the world, the way the world

782
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,519
works and everything. Why do you believe this happened to

783
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,639
you in this life? Is this something that you and

784
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,800
I say this very I'm asking this question for a

785
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,079
very specific reason because so many people go poor me,

786
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,239
poor me, poor me. It's a gunny question, and I

787
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,599
want I want you to tell them. Yeah.

788
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,119
Speaker 2: So okay, So this is my fifty seven year old

789
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,679
self right now, you and I meet fifty seven, going

790
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,199
to give you this grand answer. And I have known

791
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,199
from the age of thirteen when I so after the trial,

792
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,000
my dad said that your mom is the one that

793
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,280
did the five dollars, but that's why it happened. The

794
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,719
guy escaped from prison and this wasn't random. I'm like,

795
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,159
holy shit, you know, because that's a whole different level

796
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:01,960
of I realized from thirteen to now that it had

797
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,840
to happen, and it was going to happen. But what

798
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,920
I did realize was that I designed this. So I

799
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960
believe what happens is when before we incarnate, before we're

800
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,920
here and we're you know, when I was my spiritual

801
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,880
self on the other side, you know, hanging out with

802
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,519
my other spiritual self buddies, I said listen, I'm going

803
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:20,960
to go back in. I'm going to go back in.

804
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,960
I'm going to go be human again. And they're like, oh,

805
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,639
you're crazy, why would you do that. I'm like, well,

806
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:26,719
you know what I need to learn for my soul's perfection,

807
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,360
and I believe what happens. It's like when you go

808
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,320
to high school and you pick your classes, and you know,

809
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,039
sometimes you give yourself really difficult classes, and even your

810
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,440
guidance counselor may say that's too much. You're putting too

811
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,719
much on your plate. So here I was my spiritual

812
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440
self knowing that I had to learn from my soul's perfection,

813
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,039
and I believe that I chose it. And that's why

814
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,199
I believe we all do. I don't think that anything

815
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880
is random. I think that we choose, you know, because again,

816
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,159
you know, we're brave when we're spiritual, you know, before

817
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:55,719
we come back in, I'm like, oh, I got this.

818
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,039
I can handle this without knowing that I chose this.

819
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440
So it is not for me, it is for me,

820
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,159
you know. I think when I'm on the other side again,

821
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:06,840
I'm going to have a talk with like I'm going

822
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,639
to be a Karen and talk to the manager and

823
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,159
be like, you should have let me do that, that

824
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,599
was too much. But I do realize that we all

825
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,440
do choose what we are going to go through for

826
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,800
our soul's perfection, and the goal I believe is to

827
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,519
to go through it, to learn from it, to master

828
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,559
our human life so we can get to the spiritual

829
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,000
side of it. So that's why I you know, I

830
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,960
was able to embrace doing readings, and I just wanted

831
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:32,840
to be safe while I was doing it, but I

832
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,079
know that I was the one that did it, which sounds.

833
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: Creat Yeah, No, Listen, crazy is relative in this in

834
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,559
this show.

835
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,039
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

836
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, many people think I'm crazy, so it's a very

837
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,119
it's a very relative in this show. Without question. Before

838
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:51,800
we continue, I want to thank you for sharing your

839
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,280
story with us, and thank you saying so yeah and

840
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,519
saying so publicly this because it I feel it's going

841
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,360
to help a lot of people listen, help them heal,

842
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,880
and also let them process things that happen to them, because,

843
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,239
like I said, there, I don't think there's a soul

844
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,400
that comes down here, maybe with a few exemptions of

845
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,159
a couple of avatars, but other than that that doesn't

846
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,559
escape without any negative things or any trials or tribulations

847
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,800
or any struggles, because that's why we're here.

848
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,679
Speaker 2: It's the point, the whole, that's the whole reason, right,

849
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,360
And I actually believe that, you know, I don't want

850
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,639
to say that I'm this brave warrior because you know,

851
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,599
I mean, it is horrific what I went through. Even now.

852
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,920
I mean, I'm triggered all the time. Like I said,

853
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
you know, you know, this is the forty fifth year

854
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,039
of when it happened to me, And so I think

855
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,199
about all these things that have happened in my life

856
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:43,920
and all these opportunities I've had, and all these people

857
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,719
I know. But I mean, I but I also am

858
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,559
just like a normal person here. I hear I do

859
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,760
readings all day long from my home. And I mean

860
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000
even my neighbor doesn't even think I have a job,

861
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,360
like make sarcastic remarks to me when I get the mail,

862
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,800
and he's like, you know, women in twenty twenty four work,

863
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,960
and I'm like, okay, And I said to my house

864
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,559
you think that I have a job, And I'm like

865
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
solving you know, cases for the police, and then you

866
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,920
know the FBI and and you know, and all these

867
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239
like high level things I'm doing, and he thinks I'm like,

868
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,840
you know, day drinking and watching Netflix all day.

869
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, but who does what does he

870
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,280
really think? No, I mean, listen, when people ask me

871
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,679
what I do, I'm like, uh, I talk to people

872
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,800
on YouTube. It's insane. It's insane, you know.

873
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have you know, I have an annual

874
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,239
party every year where it's about two hundred people, and

875
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,760
even a couple of years ago, so there's a couple

876
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,599
of cops on my street and one of the cops

877
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,239
is like, what do you do for a living? And

878
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,440
I go, well, what do you think I do? And

879
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480
he says, well, a lot of people come in and

880
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,039
out of your house. So I said to my husband,

881
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,719
he probably thinks I'm either a prostitute or a drug dealer.

882
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,000
I go, I'm a psychic, and he goes, Okay, I

883
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,079
would never have guessed that, but you know, I'm glad

884
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,360
to hear you know that was what you were doing.

885
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,880
But so now everybody knows. I mean, you know, before

886
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,880
I was in advertising, but it was for my own

887
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,800
safety because I had a young daughter at the time

888
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,519
and I wanted to have a normal life, and I

889
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,280
was really afraid, you know. I mean, I can't even

890
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,480
emphasize that enough. I mean, right now, I mean, and

891
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,719
I'm still not not afraid. By the way, I am afraid,

892
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,880
but I'm not. I feel like I'm going to take

893
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,199
over my story because I now have a new So

894
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,920
an article is going to come out in the New

895
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,039
York Times as a follow up to what happened that

896
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:24,920
he is off parole and he lives down the street

897
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,280
from me.

898
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

899
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:37,519
And now back to the show. There is a down

900
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,320
the street, down the street.

901
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: Nut, you know, thirty minutes but to me, it's down

902
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,440
the street, you know, So he's thirty minutes away. So

903
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,159
there's going to be a documentary that comes out, and

904
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:52,639
there's also an opportunity for a TV show that's going

905
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,480
to come out based on me and a few other

906
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,800
Psyche gigs. And at the time when this this opportunity came,

907
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,719
I said, I don't want to do that. I mean,

908
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,760
I I think you can take selfies. I don't want

909
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,599
to be on a reality show. And they came to

910
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,159
me and I kept at first. One of my clients

911
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,000
that many years said, you know this big shot wants

912
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:11,840
to do the show about you, and I said, I'm

913
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,599
not interested, and I would even take the zoom calls.

914
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,960
I would just not even go on. And he said,

915
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,800
what are you doing? And I'm like, oh, because I

916
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:21,159
didn't want that. But then when I realized, this gives

917
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:23,039
me a platform to do what I want to do

918
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,400
as far as my story, because that's the reason. It's

919
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,920
not for my it's not for more readings because I

920
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,440
don't need more readings. I don't need more people. But

921
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:34,000
it's because I want people to know when we go

922
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,000
through really terrible things, we are the ones that design it.

923
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,880
We did it for a reason. But if you're brave

924
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,320
enough to get through it and understand that you'll have

925
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,920
to learn for your soul's perfection, there's really fabulous things

926
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440
waiting for you. Because every day I can tell you

927
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,880
that I live with such gratitude. I feel like every

928
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,199
day I won the lottery. And sometimes I have really

929
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,639
difficult days. I was working on a missing child case

930
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,599
last week and I found the child, but the child

931
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,800
was not alive, and that most of the time is

932
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,320
the case that they're not alive. So it's not always

933
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,199
a happy story, but it gives the family closure and

934
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,599
it gives them peace because we all want to be found,

935
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,320
we all want to be you know, you know, but

936
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,559
to rest and giving closures. So I realized that is

937
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,119
what I was here for. I realize now in hindsight,

938
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,000
why I then, you know what I made up my

939
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,840
classes for this lifetime, why I had to go through

940
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,800
all this, And I'm grateful for it, even though it

941
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,480
sounds crazy because I had to go through something so

942
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,360
terrible to be able to identify and to deal with

943
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
these thousands of people that I deal with and to

944
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,639
help with missing children, or because I don't think we

945
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:41,119
always want to help people, and I don't think I

946
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,039
would do it. I don't think is after you make

947
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:44,559
a certain amount of money. I think I'd be like,

948
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:46,440
all right, you know what, I'm going to go on vacationion,

949
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,079
I'm going to live it up. I'm going to go shopping.

950
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,239
I wouldn't always be answering the calls. I wouldn't always

951
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,159
be doing readings. But I want to give people hope

952
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:56,199
because I remember what it was like, not feeling hopeful,

953
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,360
not feeling like I could go on. You know. I

954
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,639
sometimes give people the analogy of like Wizard of Oz.

955
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,239
Remember when Dorothy was, you know, up in the tornado

956
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,519
and the house land and she you know, she opened

957
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,239
the door and all she saw the munchkins and the

958
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,800
different colors and everything was it wasn't in black and

959
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,519
white anymore. And I feel like that's what happened to

960
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:18,480
me once all this happened. It was like I was

961
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,599
able to see life differently, differently than everybody else. And

962
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,960
even though, yeah, your life does feel black and white

963
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,000
and it is really difficult, and a lot of bad

964
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,760
things happen to us, if we can just flow through

965
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,360
them and know that we're going to get to the

966
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,039
other side and it's okay that we're going through that

967
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,719
and you know, be excited about what's happening. I believe

968
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,559
that not only does it change us in our experience,

969
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,440
but it's a ripple effect to all the people that

970
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,199
we deal with. Because if I do a reading for

971
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,280
you and I help you and I give you hope,

972
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,679
I don't just give you hope, but everybody you deal

973
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,280
with now you're you act different and you vibrate different.

974
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,559
So it is a ripple effect. And I believe that

975
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,400
it helps us at a higher level, our higher consciousness.

976
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,199
But I think it helps humanity. So I don't think

977
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
that I'm so special that I myself, because I tell

978
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,119
people all the time if I lose my car keys,

979
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,000
I can't even find them. My husband says, sometimes says,

980
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,920
you can find a body, but you can't find your

981
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,039
car keys. You know. I tasslitly tell him call my phone.

982
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,519
He's like, can't you just the same way you help

983
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:18,639
the police last week find your own phone.

984
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: You know.

985
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: I can't sometimes even do that for myself. But I

986
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,320
realized the big picture of it, and and it's a miracle.

987
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,039
It's it's it's a it's a it's a great life.

988
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,159
It's a great life to have, and I'm I'm happy

989
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,760
to be able to share it to to help people

990
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,679
get through all the hard things they have to get through.

991
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 1: No. Nette, you mentioned that you know that sometimes there's

992
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,440
a struggle, uh, and that we have to plow through

993
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,760
it to get to the other side of it. There

994
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,519
seems to be a collective struggle that the planet's going through,

995
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,599
that humanity is going through, and our consciousness is going through.

996
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:57,920
As as as a psychic what do you see as

997
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,559
this whole kind of stuff that we're going going through

998
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,440
and to give people hope and also to give people

999
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:05,199
the truth of what's coming.

1000
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's good actually because think about this.

1001
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,719
So I actually when I did the original, so I've

1002
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,199
done a couple podcasts now and like I said, years ago,

1003
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,639
who was on other things, But I then, for you know,

1004
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,079
like thirty years, didn't want to be on TV, didn't

1005
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,639
want to do radio shows. So I was, you know,

1006
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,239
kind of just doing my own thing. Then a year

1007
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,159
ago I did this one podcast and I made a

1008
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,280
prediction on the podcast that freaked a lot of people out.

1009
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,559
They were you know, and even freaked out the person

1010
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:31,639
I did the podcast for, you know, you know that

1011
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,320
everybody was all nervous. I said, listen, you don't have

1012
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,840
to even look at me, because if you look at

1013
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,719
the history books, you know, we've always from the beginning

1014
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,239
of time, there's always been a lot of heartache for everybody.

1015
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,159
There's always been wars, there's always been a depression, there's

1016
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,719
always been money strung right, there's always disease. You know,

1017
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,039
this is not a new thing twenty twenty four and

1018
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:52,800
what we're going through is not new. But I believe

1019
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,159
that we have to go through it because we as

1020
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
because I think two things happen. I think that as

1021
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,960
we go through our own personal struggles and we raise

1022
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,719
our consciousness to a higher level of consciousness, and we

1023
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,760
do flow through it and we do master our human life.

1024
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,800
So it doesn't mean that we never have struggles, but

1025
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,800
we can get through them and then we can vibrate

1026
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,159
higher and have the best life we can. Then it's

1027
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,599
a ripple effect to other people which helps connect to humanity.

1028
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,760
That then the higher consciousness is more And I do

1029
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,400
believe that we do, as time goes on, collectively get

1030
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,599
to get this higher vibrational level. Because even now in

1031
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,960
twenty twenty four, I remember thirty years ago, it didn't

1032
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,599
feel like the universe was vibrating high. I mean I

1033
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,599
felt like I was, but I didn't know a lot

1034
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,840
of people that were. I know a lot of people

1035
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,760
that are because humanity is because we're getting smarter, like

1036
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,719
even with AI. You know, I know, you know, AI

1037
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,800
is so interesting. You're either you love it or you

1038
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960
hate it, depending on how you feel about it. But

1039
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,599
I say, well, it's just like a microwave. I remember

1040
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,639
in high school, we were like the last one on

1041
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,159
the block to get a microwave, and I thought, oh,

1042
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,360
this is kind of crazy. But now when you think

1043
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,199
of a microwave, that's nothing. Pretty soon twenty years from now,

1044
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,639
we'll think AI is nothing, that it's just an evolution

1045
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,960
the way that it's supposed to go. So I don't

1046
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,199
think that anything that goes on in the world that

1047
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,760
is difficult is a bad thing, because that is the

1048
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,920
other thing that all these experiences have given me. I

1049
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,519
see things as events. I don't think of them as

1050
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,440
positive or negative. And even though I know and sometimes

1051
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,119
they use the analogy of like the lottery or breaking

1052
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,679
your leg, I know, from a human perspective, if you

1053
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:28,440
win the lottery, that feels great, and if you break

1054
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,239
your leg, that doesn't feel great. But breaking your leg

1055
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,000
from a spiritual standpoint, might be better than any lottery

1056
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,079
because usually we you know, the most change happens when

1057
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,039
we go through difficult times and we do have a

1058
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:42,320
better life. So you know, in that moment, you think, oh,

1059
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,440
it was an accident that I broke my leg, but

1060
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,159
it's not really an accident. You were meant to break

1061
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,760
your leg. It's an inconvenience. You don't want to break

1062
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
your leg, but you are supposed to so when wars

1063
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,960
go on, when there's diseases, when all these terrible things happen,

1064
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,159
and they are terrible to some degree, I don't think

1065
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,480
it's like the world just under attack. I just believe

1066
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,760
it's the way it's supposed to be, because that is

1067
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,639
the whole point. That is how we learn.

1068
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking, what was that prediction

1069
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,960
that you've been in that other show that got everybody

1070
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,800
all would up.

1071
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,559
Speaker 2: Well, here we go, so let's get what we can

1072
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:17,079
get everyone rolled up. It was about the financial you

1073
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:18,400
know future.

1074
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: So before so before you continue, I want to preface this.

1075
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,199
We are due economic ups and downs. There's always the

1076
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,679
boom and the bust. We haven't had anything since two

1077
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,000
thousand and eight. We are about a decade overdue for

1078
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,559
something to happen economically. You could just look out throughout

1079
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,440
the history. Every eight to ten years something happens. So

1080
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,679
without that, I just wanted to preface that for everybody

1081
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:45,599
to know that's not the same.

1082
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. And so Actually, when I did

1083
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,840
the first podcast, you know, I did it and it

1084
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,480
was taped, so after it was over, my husband said

1085
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,960
how to go, and I go, Oh, I went, so fast.

1086
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
I don't even remember what I said. And so when

1087
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,880
that part came out and I heard about that prediction,

1088
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,159
and then, you know, on a backlash, my husband said, well,

1089
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,239
that's barely a prediction because everybody knows that because that's

1090
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,320
just the way life works. You're right, we are due.

1091
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,440
So what I said that was the controversial part was

1092
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,639
not that we would just go through this financial hardship.

1093
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,039
But I said that the way that we use money,

1094
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,679
you know, currency was going to change. And I said

1095
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,039
on it at that moment. It wasn't even about bitcoin

1096
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,079
at that time, and because I think even the person

1097
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,079
asked me, well, do you mean bitcoin or whatever cryptocurrency?

1098
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,480
And I go, well, kind of, but not even really,

1099
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:34,480
not that, not like what you would think. I said,

1100
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,599
So what I believe will happen with our financial money,

1101
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,480
it's going to collapse. So I think the word collapse

1102
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,719
is what makes people sink. But you know, you know,

1103
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,880
but like COVID, when COVID happened, even though many people

1104
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,880
knew that COVID was going to happen, and they didn't

1105
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,880
have a name for it, but they knew because again

1106
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,679
like even like Bill Gates knew from ten years prior

1107
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,079
that that something like a pandemic, what's going to happen,

1108
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,599
and was trying to tell everybody that this was going

1109
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,119
to happen. It happened to us, and it changed the world.

1110
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,519
I believe that the financial crisis that will happen will

1111
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,239
change the way that we barter and use money. We

1112
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,239
will use a different exchange and it's not good or bad,

1113
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,440
it's just different. It's just because something will happen that

1114
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,440
attacks our financial systems. So it's not just like we

1115
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:20,679
go through a depression or a recession. That's one thing.

1116
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,199
It's the actual currency that changes, So it would be

1117
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,280
more like, you know, think about it now. Nowadays, I

1118
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,400
can go out to lunch with my daughter and I can,

1119
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,599
you know, zell her the money.

1120
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,599
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1121
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,079
and now back to the show.

1122
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: But you know, thirty years from ago, that sound crazy,

1123
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,920
we could even imagine that that would happen. So we

1124
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,880
will no longer have dollar bills or euros or that

1125
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,960
it will be more of a you know, like a

1126
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:58,880
transactional computer wire system, not actual you know, give me

1127
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
change for my dollars here. So I think that what

1128
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,599
makes people nervous is So I had a lot of

1129
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,400
people that contacted me that were senior citizens that said,

1130
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,840
I don't even use the computer. I don't have online banking.

1131
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,159
How am I going to manage? I said, listen, I

1132
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,760
didn't say this to make anybody panic. I just made

1133
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,239
a prediction that you know and you don't and you

1134
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,199
could just see what happens. You don't have to even

1135
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,039
believe what I have to say. But that is just

1136
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,920
just like COVID. Nobody would have believed that we would

1137
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,840
have all been walking around in masks, that everybody.

1138
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: Would die then were months right?

1139
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: That we would be sitting in you know, working from

1140
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,880
home with our you know the Jamazon, you know we

1141
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:36,480
underwear on the bottom and you know, a tie and

1142
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,239
a spotcoat on top on zoom. Nobody would have ever

1143
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
imagined that happened. But I say to people, think as

1144
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,800
awful as it was, it kind of reset the world

1145
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,480
because think about how we weren't in the rat race anymore.

1146
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,199
We got to eat dinner with our family, do puzzles.

1147
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,360
You know, it felt like thirty years ago to me.

1148
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,360
So even though a lot of bad things happened, I

1149
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,159
think a lot of good things came out of COVID,

1150
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,159
and I think the same with the financial crisis. So

1151
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,639
the prediction is more not just that it's a recession

1152
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,760
or a depression, it's the exchange of the currency. But again,

1153
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,440
I don't even know that that's so much of a

1154
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:12,840
prediction prediction because I think that anybody, if you really

1155
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,840
think about it, should know that that's where we're headed.

1156
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, that's that's not a question. And I've heard

1157
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,360
about the currency as well, and that also makes sense

1158
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,519
because of the way we've been inflating our currency and

1159
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:31,000
propping it up and constantly printing money, and where the

1160
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,960
US alone is like what thirty trillion in the whole

1161
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:34,679
or something something.

1162
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a better way to do it, I mean, right,

1163
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,320
And I think that we realize that in a few years.

1164
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,679
Speaker 1: Yes, So so let me ask you this. When you

1165
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,000
said there's a better way of doing it, I've been saying,

1166
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,920
and many of my guests have said, that the old

1167
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,159
systems need to come down. Older systems that are not

1168
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,199
serving us anymore need to come down to make ray

1169
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,360
for these new systems. And that's in every avenue of life,

1170
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,440
from religion to economic to health care to education, to media,

1171
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:09,000
all of it. These older systems need to be brought

1172
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,159
down so these new systems can come up. Is that

1173
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:12,079
what you're seeing as well?

1174
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because think of it. You know, it's almost like

1175
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,280
you have to make space for the news. You got

1176
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,199
to get rid of the old. The old has to breakdown.

1177
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,760
Most people are not forward thinking enough or brave enough

1178
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,400
to meet things head on there. You know, a lot

1179
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,920
of people are afraid of change and how it's gonna

1180
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,960
affect them. So it has to almost break down because

1181
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,440
we're not even we're so primal, so primitive actually when

1182
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,480
you think about it that, you know, we think we're

1183
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,719
so smart and such higher beings of higher consciousness, but

1184
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,840
we're not. Because when something new, we all freak out.

1185
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,840
I mean, I've had so many AI conversations, and I

1186
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,440
say people, I mean it's helpful. I mean I think

1187
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,159
AI has helped me with several things recently. I thought, oh,

1188
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,800
this is freaking fantastic. Why would you not want this?

1189
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,480
So it almost has to come down to a screeching pull.

1190
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,760
Things have to break down completely so that we can't.

1191
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,960
But that's just the natural way of things, and it's

1192
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,239
not a scary thing at all.

1193
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,559
Speaker 1: Now what other? What other? Is there anything else that

1194
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,320
you can tell people in regards to the rest of

1195
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,239
this year and in the coming decade that we have

1196
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,360
besides economic that you would like to share with the audience.

1197
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: So you know, you're a great interviewer. Because I didn't

1198
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,920
know what we were going to talk about, I was thinking,

1199
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,480
I should I say this, this is this? So I'm

1200
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,719
going to say a few things that so prior to

1201
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,880
the assassination attempt with Trump, you know, July thirteenth, I'll

1202
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,559
never forget it. I was. I actually had that weekend off.

1203
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,199
I was not going to work that weekend, so I

1204
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,039
was I sent to my housband, Let's do what normal

1205
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,199
people do. Let's go out to dinner. And then the

1206
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,719
next day we were going to go to a movie

1207
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,840
like Matt and had like two old people, and I said,

1208
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,880
let's just do normal things. Okay. So I was out

1209
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,880
to dinner and I had my cell phone on the

1210
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,599
table out to dinner and he's like, why do you

1211
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,719
have yourself? And I go, A client's got to reach me.

1212
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,079
They're just going to text me whatever. My phone started

1213
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,320
blowing up and I answered it, and it ended up

1214
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,920
that there was a high level of fish connected to

1215
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,679
this intel on this assassination attempt. But it was the

1216
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,159
day before and they said to me, and he's a

1217
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,920
client of mine. And this person said to me, uh,

1218
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,400
you know, can you where are you? And I said, uh,

1219
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,000
I'm out to dinner. And they because they could hear

1220
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,480
that I wasn't like at home or whatever, and they're like, well,

1221
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:24,239
you know, I need to ask you some questions about

1222
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,559
the president if you think that that's not just like, hey,

1223
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,320
are you going to meet your boyfriend next week? I said,

1224
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,440
I need to like go home and meditate. I said,

1225
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,840
can I get back to you? And they go, no,

1226
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,960
this is you know, we have intel on this. We

1227
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,760
need an answer. And I said, all right, well I'll

1228
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,559
leave dinner, I'll go home. I'll call you back like

1229
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:41,960
in an hour. So I went home. I did a

1230
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,320
meditation and I saw it in real time, things that

1231
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,880
were going to unfold. I called them back and it was,

1232
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,920
you know, many people involved in this and I and

1233
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,039
I said what I thought would happen? And I and

1234
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,679
they said to me, well, do you believe that it

1235
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:57,079
can be stopped? And I said, no, I know it won't.

1236
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,800
I said, but the thing is this, and they were assassination.

1237
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,639
I could not No assassination, I said, but because the

1238
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:08,400
intel that we have is about a president is going

1239
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,079
to die. But I said Biden and they said no, no,

1240
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,960
it's not Biden. And I said, oh, because I originally

1241
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:17,159
thought when they said, is the president to be assassinated?

1242
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,599
And I said no, no, I said no, no, no,

1243
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,480
he's not going to be assassinated. I said, so when

1244
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,440
they asked me, well, do we do you believe you

1245
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,000
could it could be stopped, I said, not only do

1246
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,840
I think it cannot be stopped. I said, it's already

1247
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:33,800
in motion. I said it'll happen really soon. And they said, well,

1248
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,880
how how soon? I said well, and I knew it

1249
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,800
was Trump because it was invited, and at that time

1250
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,559
Biden was running still. And so I said, what if

1251
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,719
you looked at his schedule, and you looked at ever

1252
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,639
he has scheduled for the next four weeks, it will

1253
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,280
be one of these events that are already scheduled. It's

1254
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,079
not like a future event. So I knew it was

1255
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,639
going to happen soon. And so I, you know, said

1256
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,760
the chain of events that I thought that took place.

1257
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,400
And then the next day I was at the movies,

1258
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,480
you know, again during the day, and my daughter texted me,

1259
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,320
my twenty eight year old daughter, and said Trump just

1260
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,760
got shot. And I'm like, I go to the lobby

1261
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,880
and my phone blew up. And the people that contacted

1262
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,760
me the night of war, and so I had been

1263
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,360
involved in that since that took place, and that is

1264
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,920
not something that I would have wanted to be didn't because,

1265
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,719
you know, unlike helping children and doing that. I mean,

1266
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,280
I because it's kind of a catch twenty two. You know,

1267
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,840
you help, I help in some way, but other people

1268
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,559
got hurt and other people people were killed and it

1269
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:33,599
wasn't a great I predicted the presidential elections, like since

1270
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,559
I'm a kid, been a kid, and I've never been wrong.

1271
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,400
And so about a year ago, a bunch of people

1272
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,320
that even when Trump won, I said that Trump was

1273
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,280
gonna win way before he won. And then when he

1274
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,960
did win, I was on a radio show and you know,

1275
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:47,679
that person, you know, made a big deal that I

1276
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:49,440
had predicted. I was like one of the only people

1277
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,920
that predicted that he would have win whatever. So then

1278
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,519
I predicted you wouldn't win. And so this time around,

1279
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,320
I kept saying that I don't believe that Trump will win.

1280
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,159
But I said, but Biden's not gonna win either. At

1281
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,400
the time, people can those two so what do you mean,

1282
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:05,039
And I go, well, I don't know what I mean.

1283
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:07,400
I don't even know. I just know it's not either

1284
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,480
one of them. And I have a lot of clients now,

1285
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,800
like you know, high little politicians that who esping me

1286
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,719
for months, who at the time didn't realize. And so

1287
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,280
when all this stuff with Biden happened, then that's when

1288
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,800
I realized that's why I was being shown that it

1289
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,119
would be neither one of them. So I can see

1290
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:28,719
the election. I see also that for us, so the

1291
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,719
financial crisis that will take place. So I believe that

1292
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,480
in the next two years, like crazy, people are going

1293
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,840
to go towards spirituality, like your neighbor, you're a best friend.

1294
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,519
People who don't talk about it much all of a

1295
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:43,440
sudden become spiritual beings. They kind of get the big picture,

1296
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,800
because I do believe that there's a shift with the

1297
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,159
world that makes us all. Like when I was a

1298
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,119
kid and I had this near death experience that I

1299
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,039
had my spirit guide. Then I saw that video of

1300
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,639
my life and I got the bigger meaning I feel

1301
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:57,440
like we all just kind of start to get it

1302
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,360
within the next two years. And I don't think that's

1303
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,599
accidentally happening. I think collectively humanity is about to march

1304
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,039
in a different direction. So all of a sudden, we

1305
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:10,639
get to this level with again, doesn't matter who you

1306
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:13,400
are or what age you are, you just feel spiritual

1307
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480
and you kind of understand, you kind of get this.

1308
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:19,840
That changes us as a whole, and that changes our

1309
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,599
species and our race, because I do believe that there

1310
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,039
are major changes with when you think about it, you know,

1311
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,159
we we were cavemen, and then you know we've evolved

1312
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,079
over all the years, these years, and I think that

1313
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:33,000
there's a major evolution that's taking place now. But it

1314
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:34,880
can't just be like it is now. It can't just

1315
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,719
be you and I living the way we are. So

1316
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,280
I think that everybody has to get on board. And

1317
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,599
I do think that part of what COVID was, which

1318
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,519
is I know sounds terrible and I lost a lot

1319
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:45,599
of people in COVID, So I don't want to say

1320
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,599
this lightly, but I think that it was a reboot.

1321
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:50,599
I think that it was you know, the universe saying

1322
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:53,920
in a very big way, we need to reset, we

1323
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,559
need you know, things are not going the right way

1324
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:58,159
where this is a rat race, everyone's you know, not

1325
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,519
thinking correctly because not only I did a lot of

1326
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,119
people pass away and that was terrible, but it changed

1327
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,599
the way we thought. It changed the way we processed

1328
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,639
life and the way that we interacted with one another.

1329
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:12,440
And so I believe that when we go towards this

1330
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,719
idea of spiritual weality, whatever your beliefs are, it is

1331
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,639
because our our consciousness raises and we become smarter. Because

1332
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,159
one of the things also that you know, during my

1333
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:27,159
teenage years, so again I wasn't just like a normal teenager.

1334
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1335
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,280
and now back to the show.

1336
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: There was a period of time that I felt like

1337
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:43,039
I knew really like what a UFO would be or

1338
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,320
an alien would be, but I didn't really care about it.

1339
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,039
I wasn't studying it, I wasn't trying to know, and

1340
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,079
I just would know. I would just have this feeling

1341
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,480
like I knew. And then there was a period of

1342
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:56,159
about several months where I would actually like, no, I

1343
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,559
would I would just have a thought and I would

1344
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,280
go to bed and it would feel like I was

1345
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,519
having a dream of like an experience like being on

1346
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:06,320
a UFO or with aliens. And then a couple months

1347
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,000
later I realized, like, Okay, these are not experiences like

1348
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:12,360
I'm having where I'm dreaming. I'm actually you know, I

1349
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,599
think I'm sleeping, but I'm actually experiencing this because I

1350
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:19,440
knew it, just like that near death experience, I knew

1351
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,320
that I was it was real, but I wasn't telling

1352
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,440
everybody because it felt foreign. It was again so many

1353
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:27,480
years ago, not a lot of people were open to it,

1354
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:29,440
and even now I don't tell many people about it.

1355
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,920
But one of the things that is notable about that

1356
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:35,199
is I remember being like around these aliens. Let's say

1357
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:39,519
that we're so high tech. We're so like vibrating very

1358
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,079
very high and vibrating to a point where like it

1359
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,760
was like, so when I vibrate high, I tell people

1360
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,360
that I can see a color, but also is music,

1361
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:51,840
which is also a language, so it's not just like

1362
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,719
a vibration. It's like everything mixed together. These aliens were

1363
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,119
all those things back when I even knew what that was,

1364
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,519
and we were so you know, we're so primitive. I

1365
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:04,880
feel like we become more like they are that we that,

1366
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,679
but we have to have not just get yeah, we

1367
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:11,239
evolve to that level. So that's why in two years

1368
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:11,840
that will happen.

1369
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing is also from different channelers and

1370
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,079
other sidekicks I've been on the show, is that we're

1371
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:21,039
going to have a major encounter in the next two

1372
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:25,559
years with with beings from an uh you know. And

1373
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,559
I don't want to put the tinfoil hat on. I

1374
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,639
try to keep this house as ground I try to

1375
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,440
keep the show as grounded as it can be. But

1376
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:35,840
the facts are that there's probably some life out there.

1377
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:41,559
There's just just by logically by numbers, yes, yes, yes,

1378
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,119
so is it possible? Sure? And I keep hearing it

1379
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,480
from multiple things. But when I hear it's not going

1380
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,960
to be Independence Day or aliens like you know, like

1381
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,639
Predator or something like that. It's going to be something

1382
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,840
that's going to help evolve and lift us to a

1383
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:01,760
to a higher and higher places. That's very, very fascinating.

1384
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,480
I appreciate you giving me all that insight in regards

1385
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,840
to the political stuff. So you're saying that you're predicting

1386
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,599
that Harris is going to win at this because are

1387
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,239
the only two in there, yes, okay, and now.

1388
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, for everybody listening or watching,

1389
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,239
there's not even who I want to necessarily and not

1390
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,360
who I don't want you, So I'm not making you know,

1391
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,519
it's not what I want personal my prediction, yes, exactly.

1392
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,719
Speaker 1: So what I heard as well is that if either

1393
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,320
of them win, there's going to be some sort of chaos.

1394
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,400
There's going to be some sort of upheaval, There's going

1395
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,719
to be some sort of something that happens. So if

1396
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,039
Harris wins, you know, are we going to have another

1397
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:42,159
January sixth? Are we? Is there some other stuff that's

1398
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:44,199
going to bubble up because of that?

1399
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm going so I'm going to tell you life.

1400
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,800
I would tell other people because sometimes, you know, what

1401
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,480
I do a reading, because it's not always unicorns and rainbows,

1402
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,559
and when I do reading, it's not all happy things,

1403
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,840
and they're not I get cursed out a lot people

1404
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,400
are you know, are not always happy, and then they

1405
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,880
eventually call me back or come back and apologize because

1406
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,960
things came true. But you know, it's not all great.

1407
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,239
So I even hate to say that, I do feel

1408
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,360
like something like that will happen because then people say, well,

1409
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,920
then you're putting it in everyone's mind. Well that's nonsense,

1410
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,320
you know, I mean, but I do believe something like

1411
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,480
that will happen because I do feel like there's such

1412
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:21,400
unrest in this world that think about it. It, Yes,

1413
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,519
it matters who wins a presidential election for anybody in

1414
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,599
any country, and those things do matter. But if we

1415
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:31,119
all take our own personal responsibility to know that we

1416
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,400
all have a choice in this, we can all, you know,

1417
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,000
go and vote, we can all fight for what we

1418
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:37,880
believe is right. Because like even when I was a

1419
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,119
twelve year old girl, I could have died, or I

1420
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,079
could have been you know, brave and jumped out of

1421
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,840
that window and just did what I had to do.

1422
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,559
So sometimes we do have to do the hard things

1423
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:48,559
to make our lives better. So if you really have

1424
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:51,679
strong convictions and you believe that so and so should

1425
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,880
be the president, or you want laws to be changed,

1426
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,480
well then fight for those things to happen. But I

1427
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:59,599
do believe that there will be a big part of

1428
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,199
the world of this country that are not going to

1429
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,840
like the results, and I do believe that they will retaliate,

1430
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,800
and I and I don't think that's a great thing

1431
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,480
to do, you know, and I don't want to, you know,

1432
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:14,199
make that prediction. And again people are going to say, oh,

1433
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:15,960
you put that in their minds, that that's crazy, because

1434
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,159
I'm not, because you know, because people know right from wrong.

1435
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:20,760
But I do believe that that will happen. Yeah.

1436
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,719
Speaker 1: Interesting, and I think that's terrible.

1437
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's terrible that that will.

1438
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: No, of course, but we've gone through it before. And

1439
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,079
it's again, it's not as much of a prediction that

1440
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,800
as this is a logical stance on something like that,

1441
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,280
because you're looking at it. I mean, you're not talking

1442
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,559
about like, you know, I believe that the moon is

1443
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:41,480
going to crash into the Earth in a year and

1444
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,000
a half, like it's something that's so you're saying that

1445
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,480
goes that makes sense. It happened already. It literally, it

1446
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:49,559
literally happened already.

1447
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1448
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,519
Speaker 1: Only logic would dictate that there would be some sort

1449
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:58,360
of response regarding that, you know so, And and like

1450
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,159
you said before, I think some of these things might

1451
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:04,000
need to happen in order for us to wake up

1452
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,119
to like, you know, these wars are happening around around

1453
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:10,079
the world. You have to go No, that's not what

1454
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:12,199
we want to be, and that's not what we want

1455
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:14,400
to be. Is there is there an event that's going

1456
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,880
to you say, in the next two years, we're going

1457
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,960
to wake up, and I agree with you. I think

1458
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,679
this decade is a very pivotal decade, and there's going

1459
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,079
to be many more things coming in the decades to come,

1460
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,920
but this decade specifically, since twenty twenty, we came in hot.

1461
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:31,039
We came in very hot. There hasn't been a decade

1462
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,079
like this in my lifetime nor in yours. I think

1463
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:40,000
that so much has transpired already and we still have,

1464
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:42,159
you know, five six years left.

1465
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, So I believe in So

1466
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,639
this is twenty and twenty four and I'm fifty seven now,

1467
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:50,639
so I can't do the quick math in my head.

1468
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:53,639
But when I believe, I believe around two thousand and

1469
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:56,679
fifty and now, when I was a kid, and again

1470
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,800
I think it was like thirteen or fourteen, two thousand

1471
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,840
and fifty, I saw that year and that seemed like,

1472
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,280
you know, really far off. I mean now it even

1473
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,039
it seems far off now, but you know, forty years

1474
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:10,679
ago was even really far off. Two thousand and fifty

1475
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,199
is going to be the biggest game changer, because see

1476
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,440
these little things that we're talking about now, like the

1477
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,960
financial thing that's going to happen with the change of currency,

1478
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,280
presidential election, you know again kind of the same thing.

1479
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,760
No big deal. These are minor steps. But in twenty

1480
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,920
and fifty, I think there's a total reset. I think

1481
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,039
what happens is that we are vibrating at a very

1482
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:32,880
high level. I do not believe that we are living

1483
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,400
like human beings like we live now, Like where we're

1484
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,199
getting in our car. I feel like it is very

1485
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,480
space age, very much so. And I don't think because

1486
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:43,559
when you think about ten years ago, well you were

1487
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,599
you know, you might be driving a nicer car than

1488
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:47,239
you were ten years ago, but you still were driving

1489
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:49,559
a car. You weren't you know, you weren't in you know,

1490
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:52,760
you weren't hovering over something, you know, like the Jetsons.

1491
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,760
You weren't doing that. So it wasn't that big of

1492
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,800
a deal. But I think in twenty and fifty everything changes,

1493
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,519
and I think that human beings looked different. I think

1494
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,559
that medicine is different. I don't think that you have

1495
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:07,800
to take medicine anymore. I believe that you will be

1496
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:12,800
healed by light, like colored light. I believe that. You know,

1497
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,880
like even years ago, you can't imagine having anything done labroscopically.

1498
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,640
You would have to be invasively cut. And now lots

1499
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,880
of things are, you know, labroscopic. I don't believe even

1500
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,239
that will happen. I believe it will be like light therapy.

1501
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,039
Will that will change. So in the year of two

1502
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,600
thousand and fifty, I think is the biggest reset that

1503
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,920
you know, some of us will be alive for. But

1504
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,680
I think that the world is completely different because in

1505
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,239
the last few decades it's been the same, which just

1506
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,319
became more you know, we have cell phones and microwaves.

1507
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems that the speed of everything is

1508
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:47,880
growing so much more exponentially from one two thousand. I mean,

1509
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,000
I had a website in nineteen ninety seven, I had

1510
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,520
a big online business in ninety seven ninety eight.

1511
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:54,199
Speaker 2: Wow.

1512
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,319
Speaker 1: And from that I know exactly right. And I was

1513
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,000
one of the first people on YouTube in two thousand

1514
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:04,079
and five. So I from that time to where we

1515
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:07,880
are right now, that's twenty twenty five years. At this point,

1516
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:12,039
it is night and day from where we were. But

1517
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,239
every year that's gone by, I mean AI showed up

1518
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,720
a year ago, a year and a half ago, really

1519
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,079
really in the zeitgeist, you know, when chat ChiPT hit.

1520
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,199
I still remember like people going, Oh, what's this AI thing?

1521
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,279
And oh what's this thing? It was it was the

1522
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,760
exact same thing that happened in ninety six when I

1523
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,279
was in college, going what's this internet thing? Where do

1524
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,840
I get that AOL floppy disc so I can log

1525
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,159
into fluff? And it was that thing, Oh what's this

1526
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,960
new this new streaming? What's this net? Netflix? What's it called?

1527
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:42,399
Speaker 2: Like?

1528
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,199
Speaker 1: It's I remember all of this and now it's just like,

1529
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,399
oh yeah, of course now it's it's so it's moving

1530
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:55,079
expedentially fast. You know, we have rockets that land themselves.

1531
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:59,119
You know, we're taking tours up into space for very

1532
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:02,399
expensive tours, but tourists nevertheless, you know, so.

1533
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,319
Speaker 2: Pretty soon that'd be nothing. That'll be like going to

1534
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,039
Central Park.

1535
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,119
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1536
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,640
and now back to the show. Yeah, you and I

1537
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,319
will jump on just like going on a plane.

1538
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: You and I will jump on a plane. Not around tomorrow.

1539
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,680
I'm going to the moon, yeah, see, yes, Thursday.

1540
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what we were promised, by the

1541
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,600
way when we were growing up, this space age, flying

1542
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,960
car stuff. I'm still waiting, but it hasn't come up

1543
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,159
as a cottum, right, right, But that's all very fascinating,

1544
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:42,319
And also that this everything you're talking about, there is

1545
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:44,520
hope for all of this. It's and I've been saying

1546
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,239
this to people for a while. It's gonna be bumpy,

1547
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,520
it's it's gonna be challenging, but we will be better

1548
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,359
on the other side of this. We are getting to

1549
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,680
a place where, hopefully by twenty one hundred, our species

1550
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,279
and our our consciousness is raising to a much, much

1551
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:01,920
high I believe.

1552
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,079
Speaker 2: I believe it will, and I think and I and again,

1553
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:07,199
you know, knowing that I don't think one event is

1554
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:09,520
better than the other. I think there are two different experiences.

1555
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,039
And I and again, you know, I can say this

1556
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,600
from my own life because I've had a horrific, really

1557
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,479
horrific I've had really great things, but really really terrible,

1558
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,880
horrific things. So they have to happen, good and bad

1559
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,680
have to happen, or what we perceive to be good

1560
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,760
at bad, so that you can value things. So things

1561
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,279
have a meaning, they have a purpose, they're they're worth

1562
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,479
fighting for because I mean, I have such a fabulous life,

1563
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,359
and I mean again, I do you know, I do

1564
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,039
tons of work with missing children and it's really sad

1565
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:38,039
and terrible and a lot of evil people. But every

1566
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:40,199
day I feel grateful. I feel thankful for my life.

1567
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:43,560
I feel thankful for my neighbor who you knows, smart

1568
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,600
ass things to me out at the mailbox, who doesn't

1569
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,279
think I have a job. And I think that's funny,

1570
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,239
you know, I think you know because it's not just

1571
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,039
the big major things in life. It's it's every little

1572
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:56,920
detail of your life. And that because it's the totality

1573
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,119
of everything that makes us have a great life and

1574
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,640
know the meaning of it. And I tell people it

1575
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,479
doesn't matter if you're going through a challenging any time,

1576
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,720
because you're not always going to and you should actually

1577
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,560
be glad that you are because not something's going to change,

1578
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,760
there is change on the other side for you, and

1579
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,479
that you know it was just going to be better

1580
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,960
and bigger. And I do feel like we are supposed

1581
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,880
to help each other, and I do believe that that's

1582
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,720
why I do this work. But I do believe that

1583
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,600
humanity has to change, and I think about it now,

1584
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:27,399
you know. I mean when my daughter was an elementary

1585
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,680
school and I was doing readings, and when I was

1586
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,359
in California, I was known for like being a famous medium,

1587
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:34,359
and I didn't even want to be a medium actually

1588
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:36,920
at all. It kind of scared me. And for some

1589
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:39,720
reason I was really known for that. And so my

1590
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,279
daughter went to school, elementary school, and said that my

1591
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,319
mother talks to dead people, and the school called me

1592
01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:46,159
and I had to go to school and talk to them,

1593
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:48,279
and they, you know, and they said, well, what do

1594
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:50,760
you do? And I said, well, actually, I you know,

1595
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:53,640
she's right, And they thought it was great. But you know,

1596
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920
now in twenty twenty four, nobody even thinks it's a

1597
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,960
big deal. But back then it was a big deal.

1598
01:12:58,039 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: Oh it was a huge deal.

1599
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean they you know, I thought Child Protection

1600
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,800
Services was going to get involved, and you know, she

1601
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,600
was gonna have to go to special counseling, and so

1602
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,520
would I and and you know, but now you know,

1603
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:14,560
everybody that you know, you know, vibrates higher and they

1604
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,760
believe in higher consciousness, but not to the degree that

1605
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,159
we're going to. So I think that I'm really excited

1606
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,760
about two years from now you know, I don't think

1607
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,000
I don't care about the election. You know, I do

1608
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,159
care for personal reasons about certain things, but I know

1609
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,880
that those little things just get us to that bigger

1610
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,800
picture of the two years because that's when I feel

1611
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,760
like humanity really does change on a grand, grand scale,

1612
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,880
and I think it's an exciting time to be around.

1613
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,239
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a catalyst for that change

1614
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:41,479
or is it just going to happen?

1615
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 2: There will there will be a catalyst.

1616
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: And uh, but every so everybody, So everyone watching and

1617
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,279
listening when she's pausing, and I'm just gonna and I'm

1618
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:55,560
please correct me if I'm wrong. You're hearing the answers

1619
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,520
coming in from the other side, and you're right.

1620
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: And I'm also I'm also trying to worded to not

1621
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,800
make you know, the average person freak out or collapse

1622
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,479
with panic, because I never want to do that. And again,

1623
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:08,920
I don't think that that's what it's going to be.

1624
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,560
So I believe that there's a few things that happen.

1625
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,039
We do have the financial crisis that again it's not

1626
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,000
in the long run we're better off, but a lot

1627
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:18,880
of people don't meet it like that, So there'll be

1628
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,439
a lot of panic. There will be something similar to

1629
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,199
COVID but different that makes this panic, and there will

1630
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:27,439
be more beings. And again this is where you know

1631
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,359
a lot of people that know what I do for

1632
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:31,319
a living. You know, I am a medium and I

1633
01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,039
am a psychic, but I don't talk about aliens often

1634
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:36,840
and hardly ever. But I believe that there's going to

1635
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,399
be a lot of I don't want to say alien

1636
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:44,239
invasion because that sounds, you know, not very yeah, right,

1637
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,560
But I do believe, you know, kind of the idea

1638
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,119
that that regular people will have inner actions with aliens

1639
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:53,920
or or higher beings from other galaxies that there's no

1640
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:55,960
question to happen, not just like you know, oh I

1641
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,640
think it might have happened. They're like no, no, no,

1642
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,039
last Tuesday at three o'clock, this happened, you know, and

1643
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,560
people from all across the world. Because I think that

1644
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,800
that invasion, which again it's not a scary thing, it's

1645
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,520
not an invasion, but that like, we need beings that

1646
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,159
are higher than us to kind of, you know, remind

1647
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:14,640
us that you guys are still not where you need

1648
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,319
to be. We're light years, no pun intended, ahead of

1649
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:19,640
you guys. So I do believe that you're going to

1650
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,359
hear a lot more of that. And I do think

1651
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:24,119
that people, kind of mainstream people try to steer away

1652
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,039
from that idea of like what we think an alien

1653
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:29,039
is because it seems so foreign and even myself, I mean,

1654
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:31,640
I even I'm imagining a month from now, and you know,

1655
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,439
my neighbor who's going to get the mail is going

1656
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:35,720
to see me and he's going to be like, what

1657
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,800
it's going to happen with these aliens? Are all these

1658
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,000
other people that are going to say this, but it

1659
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:42,920
should just kind of be I don't want to say obvious,

1660
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,279
but it feels really obvious to me that that would

1661
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:47,039
be the next step. And I think that is the

1662
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:49,039
catalyst that part.

1663
01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: And that I have a dream that one day people

1664
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,439
in the future will look back on the show as

1665
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,720
an oddity that they're like, they really needed to talk

1666
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:04,359
about this kind of stuff about frequency and operation, and

1667
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,880
like it's just so rudimentary. It's a It's the equivalent

1668
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,840
of you and I looking back in two thousand, you know,

1669
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,720
two thousand years ago and going, don't you guys get

1670
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,680
that that's not know and that's do you not hear

1671
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,239
what Jesus is saying, I mean, he has he's got

1672
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:21,960
some good ideas here, guys, like what's going on? Like

1673
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,119
it would that kind of right Somewhere there'll be a

1674
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:29,000
computer and some kid will log in and go next level?

1675
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:30,039
So who is this?

1676
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 2: Right?

1677
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: Mom? What's a psychic? Aren't we psychic? Everyone's psychic?

1678
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: H what I mean exactly? Because they'll already be at

1679
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,840
their highest level, vibrating high on a regular basis, not

1680
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,239
you know, us getting to that point. I one percent agree,

1681
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:48,880
And to me, it feels like that just seems like

1682
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,239
the natural stuff for everybody. But I mean, I think that,

1683
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,319
you know, the big message is is that we live

1684
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:56,960
our daily life a lot of people in fear because

1685
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,600
most people, you know, I tell people, we are supposed

1686
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,479
to enjoy the whole thing. We don't just enjoy it

1687
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,520
when we get to the point we think we're supposed

1688
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,600
to get to, but along the way, you know, even

1689
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,479
during the trials and tribulations, because if you don't enjoy

1690
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,039
all of it, you know. I mean, sometimes I'll do

1691
01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:13,960
a reading for a person and a young person and

1692
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:16,279
it'll be a young woman, let's say thirty years old,

1693
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:18,239
and I'll, you know, tell her who she's going to marry.

1694
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,560
And I can't tell you how many times they'll say

1695
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,520
to me that that bride to be will say, well, well,

1696
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,720
I be happy, And I said, what, that's what you're

1697
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,720
hoping for? I said, you know what, you might not

1698
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,319
be happy because if you're happy now, you know, just

1699
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:33,840
because you get to that point you meet Prince Charmy,

1700
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,439
maybe you won't be happy. Because happiness is a state

1701
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,520
of mind. It's being in the moment and living your

1702
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,920
best life, feeling hopeful, feeling positive, knowing that you can

1703
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,199
get through all this. It's not that you know when

1704
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,399
you get to this end road that all these great

1705
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,319
things happen. That's not really the idea. And I think

1706
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:53,319
that that's kind of what motivates me to do readings.

1707
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:54,880
I mean, because I don't know that I would always

1708
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,720
want to do this. It doesn't always feel great in

1709
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,520
doing it, you know, on a daily basis, giving individual

1710
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,560
readings day after day after day. But every time I

1711
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,560
do a reading, I feel joyful. I feel hopeful because

1712
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,359
it does change people's lives. Because even though I feel like,

1713
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:11,479
all right, I know this, I know this because of

1714
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,600
everything I've gone through. But that doesn't mean that the

1715
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,319
person next to me knows it, and I do believe

1716
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,840
that it helps everybody and changes your life.

1717
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to ask you a few questions, ask

1718
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,359
all of my questions about all my guests. What is

1719
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:26,359
your definition of living a fulfilled life?

1720
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: Living a fulfilled life? Well, I feel like I live

1721
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,159
with now, and I think that it is living in

1722
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:37,199
the moment and not being afraid. And when I say

1723
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,159
not being afraid, I don't mean like of the Boogeyman,

1724
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:41,399
but like not being afraid of Oh, next week I

1725
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,560
might not have enough money, or next week I might

1726
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,640
get cancer. Because maybe I will get cancer, or maybe

1727
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,279
I won't lose my job. But that's okay. Those things

1728
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,520
can happen, and I can be prepared because I'm gonna,

1729
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,880
you know, take it one day at a time. So living

1730
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,800
a fulfilled life for me is just living for this moment,

1731
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,079
not freaking out about the future because I'll worry about

1732
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:01,359
next Tuesday. Next to you, and I do live in

1733
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:03,800
fulfilled life. And I have lived a fulfilled life for

1734
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,079
a long time. And I you know, I was a

1735
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:08,560
single parent for many many years, and I you know,

1736
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,199
didn't always have a lot of money. I mean I

1737
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:13,199
always made a lot of money, but I was like hustling.

1738
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,720
I raised my daughter in Long Island and we lived

1739
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,520
in a really great neighborhood. But I was a single

1740
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,439
parent and I was like, you know, doing reading after

1741
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,800
reading after reading, and it took all the money that

1742
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,840
I made to raise her. So it wasn't like we

1743
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,920
were rolling in money. So I've gone through a lot

1744
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,279
of really difficult things. But even back then, when I was,

1745
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:34,479
you know, struggling in a single parent and hustling, I

1746
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,960
felt like my life was fulfilled because I felt like

1747
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,960
I understood the meaning of life and I understood that

1748
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,880
that's okay. Then I'm going through all that because I

1749
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,960
still can live for this moment. So that's what I believe.

1750
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:46,399
Living in the moment is fulfilling.

1751
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,520
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1752
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:58,000
and now back to the show. Now, if you had

1753
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,760
a chance to go back in time and speak to

1754
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,079
the and what advice would you give her?

1755
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: Oh make me cry, I would say, Well to.

1756
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,079
Speaker 1: Un beautiful, how do you define God or source?

1757
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,159
Speaker 2: I think God is us all. I think that we're

1758
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,880
bits and pieces of God. But you know, humanity is God,

1759
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,359
so you know, we're all you know, you and I

1760
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,600
and you know the other billions of people are God.

1761
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:25,560
And I believe that when we get to when we're

1762
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,479
able to reach our higher consciousness, we're like, oh, I

1763
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,159
don't know I was always God. I don't know I

1764
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,920
was Jesus, but we are. And I think that that's

1765
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,319
what it is. I think it's higher consciousness. And I

1766
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:38,119
think you know. One thing I do have to say

1767
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:40,439
that feels important is that I do feel like time

1768
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,239
is an illusion. And even that feels confusing to say

1769
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,039
even I'm kind of confused, but I know that. So

1770
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:49,640
like I know that my fifty seven year old self,

1771
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,319
who is talking to my twelve year old self to say,

1772
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:55,319
jump out of the window, because even though you talked

1773
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:57,239
to the FBI two hours ago and they know that

1774
01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:58,960
you're missing and you've been on the TV, they're not

1775
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,039
going to save you. So you have to jump out

1776
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:03,640
of the window to get out. You have to save yourself.

1777
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:06,600
It's all happening right now. I don't believe this past

1778
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,880
president in future. I believe it's all now, which is

1779
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:12,000
so confusing. People are like what, So that's why I

1780
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,079
would say to my younger self, well done, because you

1781
01:21:15,119 --> 01:21:18,359
know it brings us all to this full circle moment.

1782
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,680
I think life is all of us interacting so that

1783
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,359
we can build our higher consciousness, so that as humanity

1784
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,600
we can work together. We can be one. You know,

1785
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,600
we can you know how we feel connected to one person.

1786
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,600
You meet somebody, You can meet somebody at a party

1787
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,960
and you just naturally gravitate towards them and you're like,

1788
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,880
oh my god, it feels like we've known each other forever.

1789
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,680
I think that that is when we feel like that

1790
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,600
mostly about everybody, and that it's just the big picture

1791
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,199
of us all coming together. That it's not you know,

1792
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:48,239
I could want a certain president to win, and you

1793
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,600
could want somebody else, and I could, you know, have

1794
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,000
a different career than you do. We can all have differences,

1795
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,640
but we're vibrating the same way because we're vibrating high.

1796
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,640
Because I think that when we go through wars or

1797
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,920
disease or famine or kidnappings or whatever, that's us vibrating

1798
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,119
very low, our lower consciousness. That's not our higher being.

1799
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:10,920
So that's you know, that's here we're supposed to be here.

1800
01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:13,279
Speaker 1: So the question was what is love?

1801
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh? All sort Oh, I think love is is that

1802
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,600
I think love is everything. I think it's us being

1803
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,800
collectively together. I think it's a state of being. I

1804
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,720
feel like it's hopefulness. I feel like it's me feeling

1805
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,880
like I feel connected to you. I feel that love

1806
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,279
is everything. I think that love is the bottom line

1807
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:38,760
that because if love wasn't the basis of the foundation

1808
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,640
you want to go forward, It almost keeps you going.

1809
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,439
But it's easy to recognize love when everything's great, when

1810
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,600
you have enough money, when you're married to the right person,

1811
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,960
when your kids are great, you know, when life is good. Oh,

1812
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:54,479
it's easy to define love. It's really really hard to

1813
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,760
define love when you don't know where your next paycheck's

1814
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,079
coming from, or if you are even going to have one,

1815
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:01,760
when you have termed middle cancer, when your kids are missing,

1816
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,039
when you you know, when really awful things are happening.

1817
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,800
But that is love too, because you have to You

1818
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,079
have to go through both to experience both the light

1819
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:10,720
and the dark.

1820
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:13,359
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1821
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,279
Speaker 2: I think to go through our human existence, our human

1822
01:23:18,359 --> 01:23:21,680
experience for soul's perfection, to learn to grow to become

1823
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,399
higher beings. Because I feel like when we are no

1824
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,640
longer here and we are on the other side, which

1825
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,880
is just right in front of me, you know, vibrating

1826
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,399
at a different It's not heaven, you know, three thousand

1827
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,800
miles in a cloud somewhere. It's just you know, somebody

1828
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,560
passed aways, you know, eight inches away from me or

1829
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,960
foot away from me, and they're vibrating at a very

1830
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,560
high speed. So I think that ask the question against

1831
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:44,680
I can answer.

1832
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:47,319
Speaker 1: That, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1833
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's to live our human experience for

1834
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:53,560
soul's perfection, to learn to be the highest elevated spiritual

1835
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,239
being that we can be. So it's like going through school,

1836
01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:58,399
you know, you go through first grade through tenth grade

1837
01:23:58,439 --> 01:23:59,640
to learn same thing with.

1838
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,119
Speaker 1: This, and where can people find out more about you

1839
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:03,960
and the amazing work that you're doing in the world.

1840
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,159
Speaker 2: So just like I was not on Facebook and I

1841
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:09,199
still am not, I do have a website that I

1842
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,800
started a year ago, so that just started and that's

1843
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:17,840
my name, a Nettburka dot com and that's how to

1844
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,159
find me.

1845
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: And I will put that link in the show notes

1846
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,560
and in the description and then that Do you have

1847
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,159
any parting messages for the audience?

1848
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I would say to anybody who is

1849
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,760
watching or listening to not and you know, again, we

1850
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,199
all feel different about different things, and some things may

1851
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,439
come across as scary, but that is never my intention,

1852
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,439
because I mean, really truly living a life of many

1853
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,760
different things happening to me, I know that there is

1854
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:42,239
a greater purpose for all of us. I know that

1855
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,119
to live a hopeful, joyful life again, despite what's going on,

1856
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,039
is the meaning of life, and that you know, we

1857
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:50,920
can get to the other side and to try to

1858
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:52,960
vibrate as high as we can't to get through it.

1859
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:55,680
And I think that that is, you know, my message

1860
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,119
for everybody. When I do a reading for anybody, it

1861
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,560
always is to you know, I do medita before I

1862
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,279
do a reading, and I always say, because I'm always

1863
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:04,159
worried it's not going to work. Even though I've done

1864
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:06,199
you know, hundreds of thousands of readings since I was

1865
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:08,720
a kid, I still am nervous every time, and I

1866
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,079
just say, please tell me something that I can help

1867
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:14,439
this person. And so I just want everyone to know

1868
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,560
that whatever you get from this today, it's it's not

1869
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,119
meant to be scary. It is actually the opposite, that

1870
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:22,880
there is you know, something more for you waiting that

1871
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,840
you can get through it, that there is a reason

1872
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,319
to get through it, that you know there is a

1873
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:28,399
light at the end of the tunnel for sure.

1874
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,319
Speaker 1: And that it has been absolutely a pleasure talking to

1875
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:33,920
you today. Thank you so much for being so raw

1876
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,159
and honest and sharing your your journey with all of us.

1877
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,840
I hope it really does help a lot of people watching.

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And I look forward to our next conversation in studio.

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Speaker 2: He'll be in yes, yes, time, Yeah, in person, my advisor. Yes.

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I cannot wait. And I want to thank you for

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this opportunity because, like I said, there's things I've shared

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today that I didn't plan on shitting. I didn't think

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I actually if you would have asked me three hours ago,

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I said, I would have said, there's no way I'm

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going to say that, And it just felt right, imperfect,

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and I appreciate the opportunity to even have said that

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because I do think it makes a difference.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, and I appreciate you. Thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, have a great day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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