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Speaker 2: driver dot Com. I mean it when I say it,
Speaker 2: I don't have much of a few for this, like
Speaker 2: I don't. It's not like I'm looking forward to Saturday
Speaker 2: because I'm telling you that I have the ultimate belief
Speaker 2: that Louisville will win. I think they can. But two
Speaker 2: things here that have that have kind of kept me
Speaker 2: from having, you know, confidence, And I have confidence in
Speaker 2: this team in you know, their ability, but I've learned
Speaker 2: that there's a difference in being confident in your team
Speaker 2: to show that they're a pretty good team and play
Speaker 2: well at times. That's a different level of confidence compared
Speaker 2: to the confidence that they're going to win good games
Speaker 2: against good teams because they've yet to do that. So
Speaker 2: knowing they've yet to do that this year, that's one
Speaker 2: of the things that just has me. You know, I'm optimistic,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm not gonna tell you I expect it.
Speaker 2: But also they've never done it before. Now, good conversation
Speaker 2: we just had there with David Hale of ESPN, and
Speaker 2: you know, Clemson they deserve to be favored. The only
Speaker 2: loss on their schedule is to a really good Georgia team.
Speaker 2: And again, that game was closer than you I have realized.
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those that says, well, it's closer
Speaker 2: than it looked. Well, no, it looked like thirty four
Speaker 2: to three. That was the score. That's what happened. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't as if they just got drummed for four quarters.
Speaker 2: They were competitive until late third quarter, I believe. So
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that they're not really good. Maybe Dabo's
Speaker 2: got a team that's gonna run through the rest of
Speaker 2: their schedule and win the national championship. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't expect that but Clemson playing teams that aren't very
Speaker 2: good since they've played Georgia doesn't mean they're not really good,
Speaker 2: but it does mean that you know, we're gonna find
Speaker 2: out right, there's a lot of unknown here. I mean,
Speaker 2: strength of schedule is such a wasted time because what
Speaker 2: people and I'm guilty of this too, like strength of
Speaker 2: schedule doesn't all mean it's a reference point as far
Speaker 2: as like how battle tested you are. It's an opportunity
Speaker 2: for somebody to look at some numbers and try to
Speaker 2: determine how impressed they are or unimpressed they are with
Speaker 2: your record, But it doesn't Playing a team that sucks
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you suck. Playing a bunch of teams
Speaker 2: that are really good in losing doesn't mean you're good too,
Speaker 2: even if they're close, so you know you That's that's
Speaker 2: why when we talked about Indiana yesterday, they could lose
Speaker 2: to Ohio State and then lose to Oregon in the
Speaker 2: Big Team Championship, and that wouldn't mean that they aren't
Speaker 2: really good. It would mean that they lost to two
Speaker 2: teams that are just better than them, or maybe we're
Speaker 2: just better than them that night, and ultimately that's all
Speaker 2: that matters. But you know that the noise nationally about Indiana,
Speaker 2: not by everybody, but a lot of people would be ah,
Speaker 2: they just they just lucked out. It was their schedule,
Speaker 2: and like, well, we're never going to get away from that.
Speaker 2: So like I just need to, I guess, learn how
Speaker 2: to process the schedule conversation. And you know, here I
Speaker 2: am looking at Clemson schedule thinking, well, that means they're
Speaker 2: they're more beatable, and it really doesn't. We don't know
Speaker 2: what it means. We'll find out on Saturday. Because the
Speaker 2: ESPN FPI or one of the ESPN metrics, I don't
Speaker 2: know which one it is. They've got a couple of them.
Speaker 2: You heard David Hill mention it that Louisville's nineteenth in
Speaker 2: the country. And again that's because they're not factoring in
Speaker 2: winning and losing as much as they should. All these
Speaker 2: all these formulas, These analytic guys, they're good at what
Speaker 2: they do. And again I value analytics. I mean I
Speaker 2: rely on those when I make wagers. Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: I suck at betting, But like I think there's value
Speaker 2: there and it's only going to be a bigger thing
Speaker 2: moving forward. Like a lot of coaches now that are
Speaker 2: getting hired, that are that are you know, viewed to
Speaker 2: be in that tier of the next great coaches in
Speaker 2: college football college basketball. Most of them are are very
Speaker 2: much analytically driven. So it's not going anywhere. It's just
Speaker 2: somehow they got a factor in winning and losing mattering
Speaker 2: more than it does currently. So you know, part of
Speaker 2: me looks at Clemson and says, let's go beat them.
Speaker 2: They're not that good. But like there's no way to
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Speaker 2: so this is a text that came in a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier. It's a good point, says Nick. Correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, But can't you of l really help
Speaker 2: change the perception of the ACC. Not to say that
Speaker 2: it would be a big difference, but losing to a
Speaker 2: really bad Kentucky team at the end of the year
Speaker 2: would only help support the I think you meant to
Speaker 2: say narrative you might be doing talk to text, but
Speaker 2: would only help support the something you said that the
Speaker 2: ACC sucks. That's a great point. I mean last year,
Speaker 2: Louisville didn't do their part. I mean, Kentucky limped in
Speaker 2: to that game and had very little to no confidence. Now,
Speaker 2: there's always going to be some type of like, if
Speaker 2: you're a diehard Louisville fan or a diehard Kentucky fan,
Speaker 2: you can do the hull all we're terrible, I'm not
Speaker 2: even gonna watch the game. And a lot of people
Speaker 2: have done that on the Louisville side in basketball recently
Speaker 2: and Kentucky fans didn't really do that as much on
Speaker 2: football last year because again they had they didn't feel
Speaker 2: good about the game, but they had a winning streat
Speaker 2: going in. But I think there's always like a little juice,
Speaker 2: a little fuel, if you will, in the tank when
Speaker 2: it comes to your rivalry tank. If that's the thing,
Speaker 2: I'm making it up because you just programmed to like
Speaker 2: never be totally defeated when it's your rival because you
Speaker 2: just have a tough time completely accepting it. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: making that up, but you know, like I think you
Speaker 2: know when it comes to that matchup this year, Like again,
Speaker 2: we don't need to talk about it right now, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't give a damn about the ACC
Speaker 2: the perception of the ACC when it comes to what
Speaker 2: happens in that game. But to your point, you are correct.
Speaker 2: That could be another data point for those that claim, look,
Speaker 2: you can go six and two in the ACC, but
Speaker 2: you still aren't as good as a three and five
Speaker 2: or a two and six team in the SEC. That's
Speaker 2: the mindset of a lot of SEC hanks. And if
Speaker 2: Louisville finishes let's say eight and four, and Kentucky is
Speaker 2: you know, needing in fact, Kentucky, I mean, what are
Speaker 2: they three? And are they three and five? Are they
Speaker 2: four and four? Kentucky's three and five, right, They've got
Speaker 2: two wins against yeah, three and five bums, and then
Speaker 2: they beat Ole Miss, so they're three and five. So look,
Speaker 2: they need to win two out of three against Tennessee,
Speaker 2: Louisville and Texas, which means that Stoops's streak of going
Speaker 2: to a bowl game is likely over. I mean, and
Speaker 2: that's even like let's just say you beat Louisville, You're
Speaker 2: not beating Tennessee at Tennessee and Texas at Texas. So
Speaker 2: their seasons kind of shot. Like are they talking football anymore?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 2: listen to much KSR this week. I haven't. I mean,
Speaker 2: they've completely shifted to basketball in a way they really
Speaker 2: haven't in a long time because Mark Stoops has had
Speaker 2: this bad of a year. But anyways, back to the
Speaker 2: game later this year. We'll clearly we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: We'll get to it when we get to it. We
Speaker 2: got a ways to go. But yes, if Kentucky ends
Speaker 2: up only having I mean, look that they might go
Speaker 2: one in seven in the SEC, right, because all the
Speaker 2: swing games they've already lost games they just expected to,
Speaker 2: you know, going into the season games they just said, look,
Speaker 2: if we're gonna be even decent, we got to beat
Speaker 2: these teams. They got beat like South Carolina and in Vandy,
Speaker 2: the teams that like, yeah, you beat them, right, you
Speaker 2: know you're supposed to win and then swing games, but
Speaker 2: you felt like you should win because you think you're better.
Speaker 2: Auburn and Florida lost both of them, so you know,
Speaker 2: they played Georgia close, but they lost. And then of
Speaker 2: course they beat All miss which is gonna end up
Speaker 2: being a real outlier for them this year. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if they end up one in seven in the SEC
Speaker 2: and Louisville ends up being I don't know, let's say
Speaker 2: they're six and two, five and three even in the ACC.
Speaker 2: I mean again, that would be again, I don't think
Speaker 2: about conference perception when these two teams play, because it's
Speaker 2: a rivalry game. It's really just about bragging rights and
Speaker 2: the fans, and more often than not, this win has
Speaker 2: very little value or it doesn't really hurt you a
Speaker 2: whole lot because at that point, usually since the game's
Speaker 2: been moved to the end, of the season. Both teams
Speaker 2: have typically been done with their season at that point,
Speaker 2: meaning like you know where you know, it's the last
Speaker 2: game of the year, you've already fit conference play, you
Speaker 2: kind of know where you are when it comes to
Speaker 2: bowl standing. Last year it worked out well because Louisville
Speaker 2: losing in Kentucky did not have anything to do with
Speaker 2: them being in the bowl game they were in. I mean,
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans can act like it did, but it didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, Florida State getting left out of the playoff
Speaker 2: is what led to Louisville getting screwed, them beating If
Speaker 2: they would have beat Kentucky held on and not blown
Speaker 2: that game and then still lost to Florida State in
Speaker 2: the a SEC Championship game, nothing would have changed for Louisville.
Speaker 2: But the real kicker was that you were ten and
Speaker 2: one going into the game and you lost. So like again,
Speaker 2: it didn't know, you know, as far as perception of
Speaker 2: you as a program, I guess if you'd win eleven
Speaker 2: and one in the regular season and your only lost
Speaker 2: been pit maybe people would have viewed you a little
Speaker 2: bit better. But still, you made the AEC Championship game
Speaker 2: and you lost, so again. We'll get there when we
Speaker 2: get there, and I mean, I'll just tell you this,
Speaker 2: I'm scared, John, because I think this may set up
Speaker 2: in even a worse way than last year as far
Speaker 2: as like damn, you better not lose, because that was
Speaker 2: the mindset last year, right like, hey, you're really good
Speaker 2: this year. They hate their team, they're underdogs. They don't,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't you know, they didn't have any competence.
Speaker 2: They can show Bett's slips and all that, but like,
Speaker 2: you weren't. We I literally open up the phones one
Speaker 2: day just to get people talking about this matchup as
Speaker 2: we were getting closer, because it always takes place right
Speaker 2: before right after Thanksgiving, so I think it was the
Speaker 2: Wednesday night before Thanksgiving we did. We just did a
Speaker 2: full show of me taking calls and a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of the Tucky fans that called in. I
Speaker 2: mean they would dog Louisville and talk about how the
Speaker 2: ACC sucks and their record is fraudulent. But they wouldn't
Speaker 2: say they're competent in their team because they weren't. They
Speaker 2: hated their team. They didn't. I mean they were I mean,
Speaker 2: they were pretty again, That's what happened with Kentucky this year.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, their win against Louisville last year and
Speaker 2: them going out and retaining some good players and getting
Speaker 2: some decent names in the portal, it kind of made
Speaker 2: them forget that they were heading in a in the
Speaker 2: wrong direction pretty fast last season. But the Louisville win
Speaker 2: definitely made it feel better and it matters. And then
Speaker 2: they started this season and they've kind of continued a
Speaker 2: rather consistent free fall. For being honest, this is the
Speaker 2: first year where Mark Stoops has had a really bad
Speaker 2: is having a really bad year, and there's really no
Speaker 2: excuse for it. Like early on in his tenure they
Speaker 2: weren't good, but it was because he was still putting
Speaker 2: it together, right, He's got to get his guys in
Speaker 2: dealing with the joker Phillips left or is that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff? And then sometimes they've had years where their
Speaker 2: record wasn't great and they didn't beat anybody good, but
Speaker 2: they could at least say, well, hey, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do? We're in the SEC. Well, now, like you know,
Speaker 2: you're likely going to be one in seven in league player,
Speaker 2: I can't see a scenario where you I mean again
Speaker 2: and you have played a tougher schedule, but Stoops has
Speaker 2: been good enough to where now you can look and say, look,
Speaker 2: we've taken a big step back because we actually have
Speaker 2: good players this year. Now. Is their quarterback good enough?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't think he's the reason
Speaker 2: that you're one in five in SEC play right now.
Speaker 3: If Louisville can't find a way to win this game,
Speaker 3: cancel the series. I mean cancel the series. It would
Speaker 3: I think there'd be more question marks than last year, because.
Speaker 2: Well it wouldn't be I mean you mean question marks
Speaker 2: about like.
Speaker 3: How why can't Brom could get it done?
Speaker 2: That's well, yes, and no. To defend Brom the streak,
Speaker 2: he's only me. He's not a part of the streak.
Speaker 2: He's lost one game. If he loses too, and they're
Speaker 2: one in seven in SEC play in limping in, then yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be a terrible look for him to lose
Speaker 2: to them whenever you had good teams, because again, maybe Louisville,
Speaker 2: maybe Louisville needs to beat him to go to a bowl.
Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case, but really we really
Speaker 2: never know. I mean, the jury is still very much
Speaker 2: out on Louisll. If we're being honest. But yeah, to
Speaker 2: your point, if in fact, like it's set up better
Speaker 2: than it really had in a long time, in back
Speaker 2: to back years for you and you still can't beat him,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that would be the ultimate gun punch,
Speaker 2: Like it would be worse than last year. It would
Speaker 2: like last year, again it sucked, but Louisville had such
Speaker 2: a good year. And again, other than bragging rights and
Speaker 2: having to hear from Kentucky fans all the big Blue bozos,
Speaker 2: there really wasn't a whole lot lost there because again
Speaker 2: it did not change anything about what you were able
Speaker 2: to accomplish in your season, because I mean, had had
Speaker 2: Florida State been selected to the playoff, Louisville would have
Speaker 2: still ended up being in that New Year six Bowl.
Speaker 2: They would have taken on Georgia and gotten murdered. But
Speaker 2: you know, the Kentucky loss would have just been for
Speaker 2: bragging rights.
Speaker 3: But if the twelve team playoff would have been last year,
Speaker 3: that would have effectively eliminated law Pot, no.
Speaker 2: Doubt, no doubt about it. So I mean, again I
Speaker 2: keep saying, we'll get there when we get there, but
Speaker 2: as of now, like if Louisville finishes strong, and let's
Speaker 2: say they knock off clem Let's I mean, let's just
Speaker 2: say they beat they lose to Clemson close, but then
Speaker 2: they end up beating SMU pretty bad. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they'd end up beating Stanford pretty bad. And then they
Speaker 2: beat Pitt. Let's say Pitt's unbeat at that time, then
Speaker 2: they're gonna have momentum. They're gonna be potentially looking at
Speaker 2: finishing the season nine and three at that point, or
Speaker 2: I guess they would be potentially Yeah, yeah, no, eight
Speaker 2: and I eight and four be your ceiling and look one.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just one game difference between being nine
Speaker 2: and three, ten and two, three and nine, four and eight.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, the biggest gap as far as
Speaker 2: perception in my opinion and feeling that you get from
Speaker 2: your season concluding. I don't know why, but I feel
Speaker 2: like seven and five and eight and four are a
Speaker 2: billion miles apart. That makes sense, Like I don't know
Speaker 2: why I look at it that way, but I do.
Speaker 2: So if you've got a chance to potentially either finish
Speaker 2: seven and five with the lost to Kentucky or go
Speaker 2: eight and four, I mean, I mean, obviously you want
Speaker 2: to beat I mean, regardless which your record is, you
Speaker 2: want to beat your rival. But man, I thought last
Speaker 2: year was the one. Was was a unique scenario that
Speaker 2: would never play out again, and it could play out
Speaker 2: for the second straight year. But even worse because they're
Speaker 2: gonna beat down in a way they haven't been down
Speaker 2: really ever. And by the way, speaking of Kentucky real quick,
Speaker 2: before we get to our first break, I actually think
Speaker 2: in a weird way, this is a huge weekend for
Speaker 2: Marx toooms in Kentucky because this is one of the
Speaker 2: few games in recent years where the only talk about
Speaker 2: this matchup from both sides rather maybe the Tennessee side
Speaker 2: of the Kentucky side, or just nationally objective voices, and
Speaker 2: that is that Kentucky's gonna get steamrolled. Tennessee's got momentum.
Speaker 2: They knocked off Alabama. They're gonna be wearing their black uniforms.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a packed stadium. Kentucky calls it a rival.
Speaker 2: Tennessee doesn't view you as a rival. You can keep
Speaker 2: calling it a rivalry, but like they I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I know you could say, well wha bell, Louis, y'all
Speaker 2: never beat us. Ain't a rivalry. Fair enough, you still
Speaker 2: view us as a rivalry, and you make that clear
Speaker 2: every single day of your life. Your behavior, your existence
Speaker 2: really as far as how you handle yourself, proves it's
Speaker 2: a rivalry. It is, it always will be. But like,
Speaker 2: can you know Tennessee doesn't view you as a rival
Speaker 2: because they they've never been really threatened or challenged by you.
Speaker 2: And I know Louisville hasn't challenged Kentucky and football, and
Speaker 2: I mean they've challenged me. You know, the streak is
Speaker 2: what it is. I mean basketball, yeah, Louisville. I mean
Speaker 2: Louisville has won I mean what a couple of games
Speaker 2: in the last six games they've played, which again isn't great,
Speaker 2: but like Louisville's beaten Kentucky and you know in the
Speaker 2: last decade, probably more, and I mean I don't know, decades,
Speaker 2: a long way. Nonetheless, my point is like this is
Speaker 2: the least confidence I think Kentucky fans have ever had
Speaker 2: about a game under the Mark Stoops era since he
Speaker 2: you know, turned it around. And usually whenever there's like
Speaker 2: no hope and it looks as if, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're just tuning in to see how bad you get killed.
Speaker 2: I feel like more often than not, that's when Stoops
Speaker 2: teams play pretty well. I mean, isn't that what was
Speaker 2: said about Georgia. They near they should have won that game.
Speaker 2: You could say the same thing about Louisville last year,
Speaker 2: maybe not that you were you know, it wasn't as
Speaker 2: if you were expecting Georgia to show up and beat
Speaker 2: Kentucky at ellen n Cardinals Staten and they'd be weird
Speaker 2: anyway if that happened. But my point is, like I'm
Speaker 2: not comparing Louisville in Georgia, but when the morale is
Speaker 2: as low as it seems it can be for Kentucky,
Speaker 2: Mark Stew's teams usually come out and surprise people and
Speaker 2: sometimes when or they just compete more so than anybody
Speaker 2: would have expected. So I kind of feel like if
Speaker 2: they get blitzed from start to finish, like I guess
Speaker 2: it'll be the same thing they've done in recent weeks,
Speaker 2: but like that'll be the sign that they're kind of done.
Speaker 2: And I don't like to read body language, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not a Kentucky fan, so I'm not following as
Speaker 2: closely as some others, but I know it's been said
Speaker 2: at least once from Matt rather be on his show
Speaker 2: or the postgame show from the loss to uh actually
Speaker 2: I think Ryan Diot the post game show the other night.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, what I'm getting at is like Stoops is
Speaker 2: now to the point where like they're kind of the
Speaker 2: bottom's falling out. I hate saying guys are quitting, but
Speaker 2: I understand why some fans are saying, yeah, they quit
Speaker 2: because you know, you end up getting beat by four
Speaker 2: touchdowns to Florida. You ended up losing after being up
Speaker 2: ten to nothing by two scores to Auburn in a
Speaker 2: game that honestly should have been worse as far as
Speaker 2: the score. They left points on the field at the
Speaker 2: end of the half. So they're kind of free falling
Speaker 2: right now. And if they come out and they compete
Speaker 2: against Tennessee and still lose, I mean, they're still looking
Speaker 2: at a season that's going to be way worse than
Speaker 2: they would have expected. But like if they're looking to
Speaker 2: potentially hold on to, you know, a Murray win and
Speaker 2: then beating Louisville, I mean, it's going to depend on
Speaker 2: if they're alive here in Knoxville. What I mean by
Speaker 2: that is if they just get steamrolled from start to finish.
Speaker 2: It'd be hard to not envision a scenario where they
Speaker 2: roll into that game at the end of the season
Speaker 2: and it might take one play from Louisville to kind
Speaker 2: of bury him, because again, at that point, you know
Speaker 2: you're done, and they've already shown that at this point
Speaker 2: in the season, like that game. The last two games
Speaker 2: have just gotten away from him pretty quickly. And that's
Speaker 2: what happens when you have the repetition of just kind
Speaker 2: of falling apart. It becomes a consistent pattern. All right,
Speaker 2: quick break will come back on the other side, keep
Speaker 2: it rolling along. Coffee and Company. Feel about Thornton's right
Speaker 2: here on Sports Talk seven ninety. You know, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: not fun being right. I knew that the Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: situation would be a disaster, and it's it's been exactly that.
Speaker 2: I mean, things are going great in Indianapolis. Head coach
Speaker 2: Shane Steiken has no idea if his team supports benching
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson or not, which not really a good good
Speaker 2: spot for you. Might I mean, what would you what
Speaker 2: do you like? If you say, yeah, everybody supports it,
Speaker 2: he sucks, then you know that's probably the truth. But
Speaker 2: you know it's not real. It's not really what you
Speaker 2: what you would be able to say. But you know
Speaker 2: he can't even I mean, he can't even answer if
Speaker 2: he'll ever if he thinks he'll ever start again. I
Speaker 2: mean he was asked in this audio maybe kind of.
Speaker 2: I think this is somebody at the press conference that
Speaker 2: is doing it on a phone. See may be able
Speaker 2: to hear, but the audio quality probably isn't going to
Speaker 2: be very good. But here's Shane Stikeen on Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 3: Think Anthony will start for this franchise again? I can't
Speaker 3: predict that, but I'm not losing the faith in.
Speaker 1: That, and I promise to that.
Speaker 3: Is that the plan? I can't predict the future, but
Speaker 3: maybe that would be great.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm trying to think of what he
Speaker 2: could have said to where it wouldn't have been on
Speaker 2: the radar for anybody to kind of pick apart. But
Speaker 2: that was a good question to say, like, is that
Speaker 2: the plan? Well then he said I can't predict the future,
Speaker 2: Well you should know what the plan is. I mean,
Speaker 2: rarely during the season are you asked, like, hey, you
Speaker 2: just benged a guy. Is your plan to still have him?
Speaker 2: Be your franchise quarterback next year, Like that's tough to
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I don't really blame Shane Steiken
Speaker 2: for how he answered it, because I think he's just,
Speaker 2: you know, handling it the best you can. But the
Speaker 2: overall situation just sucks. And if there is somebody out
Speaker 2: there willing to trade for him, like do it now.
Speaker 2: And again, it's not to say that like it's impossible
Speaker 2: for him to ever be good, but you'd have to
Speaker 2: wait a long long time. And again, nobody seems to
Speaker 2: be mentioning this. If Ar fifteen, if they call him
Speaker 2: ends up ever being a good quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 2: it'll be the first time he's ever been a good
Speaker 2: quarterback ever in his life. Which, last I check, guys
Speaker 2: rarely ever become good in the NFL. They're usually really
Speaker 2: good before they get there, and then it's a real
Speaker 2: test to see if you can be good at that level.
Speaker 2: Not being good in high school or in college at
Speaker 2: that position and then being good in the NFL is
Speaker 2: really not possible, to be honest with you, But anyways,
Speaker 2: I know you guys don't give a damn about the Colts,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe you enjoy me being miser Maybe
Speaker 2: you're a sicko like that, I hope now, but wouldn't
Speaker 2: shock me. It's a lot of crazy people out there.
Speaker 3: John, Hey, I'm going up to the Bills Colts game
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks and ring for the Bills.
Speaker 2: I would imagine the Bills are going to take care
Speaker 2: of business, and I hope they do because at this point,
Speaker 2: let's start all over. Let's get back to I mean,
Speaker 2: in fact, let's just keep playing Richardson so it can
Speaker 2: be proven that he's that he's a bum, and you'll lose.
Speaker 2: You're more likely to lose if he's your quarterback than Flockoh,
Speaker 2: and then you can draft another quarterback in this draft
Speaker 2: and get a good get a good pick. That's what
Speaker 2: you should do. But we'll see, all right. Coffee and Company,
Speaker 2: fiel Beth Thorton's that's us. That's the name of the program,
Speaker 2: and we appreciate you sticking around and hanging out with us.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just joined us, if so, better late than never,
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Speaker 2: going to say five o'clock, but no, it's six o'clock.
Speaker 2: So we got about an hour and a half left,
Speaker 2: and uh, I want to get at the text line
Speaker 2: in just a moment. But we've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: analytics and whatnot, numbers, formula, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: because look, it does matter, and I do think they're valuable.
Speaker 2: But as I've said for years now, whoever's putting these
Speaker 2: numbers together and creating the said formula, it just doesn't
Speaker 2: really seem as if winning and losing is factored in
Speaker 2: as much as it should. But one of the up
Speaker 2: and coming college basketball analytic guys is it would it
Speaker 2: be analytical guys or analytics guys? I don't know the
Speaker 2: right way to toward it. Yeah, I mean I could
Speaker 2: just I could say Nerd. That would be me Poindexter,
Speaker 2: who just you know, is in their crunching numbers and
Speaker 2: using his calculator to determine who's good or not. And
Speaker 2: I say that because I'm jealous. I wouldn't have I
Speaker 2: don't have the the I don't have the brain for
Speaker 2: any of that kind of stuff. I was really bad
Speaker 2: at math. But Evan Maya, Evan m I y A.
Speaker 2: Is it me or Maya? I'm not sure, but he's
Speaker 2: he's been around for a few years and it seems
Speaker 2: as if his brand is growing as somebody who does.
Speaker 2: I mean what, by the way, these some of these
Speaker 2: guys who have their own websites where they share their formula,
Speaker 2: their their projections of games based off theirs their formula.
Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing to charge notin ninety nine
Speaker 2: a month or notin ninety nine a year, like ken
Speaker 2: Pom does. But there's also some advanced metrics that they
Speaker 2: sell to coaches, like and I'm sure coaches pay a
Speaker 2: lot of money for them. Like programs use all variety,
Speaker 2: and by the way, I would, again what do I know,
Speaker 2: but I would stick with one. And like if you're
Speaker 2: if you're a Evan Maya guy or a Bart Torvik guy,
Speaker 2: I would still or or ken Pom like I would
Speaker 2: maybe reference all of them. But like, if you're basing
Speaker 2: what you do off of formula, you need to stick
Speaker 2: with one, right because if you're mixing in them all,
Speaker 2: like you're gonna get all kinds of different results and
Speaker 2: there's no point following any of the formulas. But anyways,
Speaker 2: Evan Maya, he put together a list here of teams
Speaker 2: with the most elite shooters. This player must be ninetieth
Speaker 2: percentile or better and projected three points field goal percentage.
Speaker 2: This does not include freshmen, So there are two teams
Speaker 2: with four elite shooters. Alabama with Latrell Wright, Cell Houston Mallet,
Speaker 2: Chris young Blood and Mark Sears. Baylor with Jayden Nunn,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Roach, Jalen Celisteine, and Langston Love. I don't know
Speaker 2: many of those names, but if they're playing for Bama
Speaker 2: and Baylor and they came into the portal, I would
Speaker 2: imagine they're pretty good, because both those teams are top ten.
Speaker 2: But then there are a bunch of teams that have
Speaker 2: three Louisville's one of them, Noah Waterman, Rain Smith and
Speaker 2: Terrence Edwards. Kentucky not on here, which surprises me because
Speaker 2: they clearly have I mean, they've got and I think
Speaker 2: Kentucky and Louisville both have a lot of guys who
Speaker 2: you would say, okay, when you're thinking of things they
Speaker 2: do well. Three point shooting is one of them. But
Speaker 2: you know, as Kentucky saw at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: game last night, like they got guys who are probably
Speaker 2: more so streaky shooters, and I think you could say
Speaker 2: the same thing for Louisville. I think the one guy
Speaker 2: for Louisville that you feel like, you know, if he
Speaker 2: can get ten looks a game that are good looks
Speaker 2: for him, you do it every time because he's likely
Speaker 2: going to make four more on most nights. And that's
Speaker 2: that's if you're shooting forty percent from three as an individual,
Speaker 2: that's that's good. That's really good. So watching Kentucky in
Speaker 2: the first half last night, you could see, you know,
Speaker 2: they were getting some good looks. But then again, they
Speaker 2: also had some guys I feel like that were just
Speaker 2: you know, heat check in a little bit. But that's
Speaker 2: the way they're going to play. And I think we're
Speaker 2: going to learn, and we may have already learned it
Speaker 2: just by watching the exhibitions. It's tough to know, because
Speaker 2: I think you did see some things with both teams
Speaker 2: when it comes to exhibition play that are probably just
Speaker 2: something you're going to see in these exhibition games, right,
Speaker 2: I think rotation for both coaches, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But we are going to And I don't remember specifically
Speaker 2: how Tuby Smith's teams played. I know they played pretty slow,
Speaker 2: a lot different than Rick Patino, but I don't remember
Speaker 2: if we've ever had a an era within the rivalry
Speaker 2: where both teams play a unique style and it's very
Speaker 2: similar to one another. I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 2: say they're exactly the same, but they're pretty similar. Spacing
Speaker 2: and green light is always is always there if you
Speaker 2: can get a good look. All right, So let's go
Speaker 2: to the text line five O two six five three
Speaker 2: zero seven ninety again five O two sixty five three
Speaker 2: zero seven ninety the ln N Federal Credit Union text line.
Speaker 2: This text says, Nick, of all the guys who transferred
Speaker 2: last year that played for Kenny Payne, which of the
Speaker 2: which of them? Sorry, which of them do you feel
Speaker 2: like is going to have the best season? Tough to say,
Speaker 2: And I've got I've got a little bit of a
Speaker 2: hot take here, and maybe this will trigger some people
Speaker 2: or maybe, you know, maybe it'll make sense to you.
Speaker 2: I think a good chunk of the dudes who played
Speaker 2: at Louisville last year for the eight win team that
Speaker 2: you know, was the second worst team we've ever had
Speaker 2: coming off of a season before when we were the
Speaker 2: worst team in Louisville history. I happen to think that
Speaker 2: some of those guys are gonna be pretty good and
Speaker 2: probably play for pretty good teams. And I don't bring
Speaker 2: that up to say, like it's gonna look even worse
Speaker 2: for Kenny when the guys he had on his team
Speaker 2: ended up being really good elsewhere. I mean, that will
Speaker 2: be a bad look for him. But it was always very,
Speaker 2: very evident that Kenny pains were results on the floor
Speaker 2: in both years had nothing to do with talent. Now,
Speaker 2: he didn't have the talent to go win a final four,
Speaker 2: go to a final four, but like that was the one,
Speaker 2: you know, that was one of them. Get a little
Speaker 2: PTSD here, because that was one of the things that like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't converse with people who claimed that you had
Speaker 2: a four and twenty eighteen because you didn't have any
Speaker 2: good players. Like, no, I mean, it's insane, insane, But
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Huntley Hatfield is going to be one
Speaker 2: of the best big men in the ACC for Kevin
Speaker 2: Keats at NC State, And to be fair, he was, Honestly,
Speaker 2: he was one of the best big men in the
Speaker 2: ACC last year in you know, a big stretch of
Speaker 2: ACC play. It just didn't matter because Louisville was so bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was good. He really started to show
Speaker 2: why he was a five star recruit, and he had
Speaker 2: every tool that you need to be a good big.
Speaker 2: He had good shooting, touch, good hands. I mean when
Speaker 2: he got his motor running, which that's what really changed
Speaker 2: for him, is he started playing harder and really just
Speaker 2: again the motor was running, and he was a good player.
Speaker 2: So I think he will have a good year, and
Speaker 2: I think NC State's got a chance to be pretty good.
Speaker 2: I think Trey White is going to end up being
Speaker 2: pretty good at Illinois. I think he will be challenged
Speaker 2: consistently by who's their head coach, Brad Underwood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, and he's a hard ass. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I do't know if you guys saw he kind of
Speaker 2: he had a press conference clip that made its rounds
Speaker 2: all over the college basketball world via the internet, because
Speaker 2: I mean, he said a middle school team could score
Speaker 2: on these guys because they're so bad defensively right now.
Speaker 2: And as soon as he said that, you know, I
Speaker 2: thought of Trey White, because I don't know, Trey White's
Speaker 2: a bad defender, no clue. If he's unable to defend.
Speaker 2: What I can tell you is he has no interest
Speaker 2: in defending. That's what I'll tell you. He made no
Speaker 2: mistake about it. Guys out there wanting you to know.
Speaker 2: He does not want to play defense. But if there's
Speaker 2: a coach that could get him to kind of buckle
Speaker 2: down and play deep, maybe it's Brad Underwood, and he
Speaker 2: has talent. Trey White had ability. Now, he wasn't great
Speaker 2: at anything, but he also was pretty good at a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I think Scott Clark will do well
Speaker 2: with Mick Cronin at UCLA. He won't be their best player,
Speaker 2: but he'll be a valuable piece to their team and
Speaker 2: they might be pretty good. I could see Curtis Williams
Speaker 2: junior at Georgetown. They may stink, but I could see
Speaker 2: him being one of their best players. Tyler Johnson not
Speaker 2: as confident because he's playing behind some other really good guards,
Speaker 2: but like, wouldn't be shocked if you're watching ACC Action
Speaker 2: this year and you're thinking, damn, I was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Mike James is the ultimate unknown for me, because I
Speaker 2: actually think he really you know his numbers at times,
Speaker 2: I think we're a product of how bad Louisville was,
Speaker 2: But he's a fine player. You know. Guys like Caleb Glenn,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Dennis Evans no clue how good he'll
Speaker 2: be in the other guys who ended up, you know,
Speaker 2: like JJ DePaul, no clue how good he's going to be.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying these guys won't be good, but I'm
Speaker 2: not as confident that they're going to have years where
Speaker 2: you think like wow, that can He did have some
Speaker 2: good players. So again, I don't bring that. I meant
Speaker 2: you brought it up by texting in asking the question.
Speaker 2: But I'm not trying to say Louisville should have kept
Speaker 2: some of those guys, because again, you needed you needed
Speaker 2: an absolute clean break, and you got exactly that. Now,
Speaker 2: keeping one or two of those guys around wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been the end of the world, but I think it
Speaker 2: made sense to just really move on for everybody involved.
Speaker 2: Like if these guys end up having really good seasons
Speaker 2: and their teams are good, it's not going to be like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, Pat Kelsey should have called those guys, because
Speaker 2: if you were around when it was bad like it,
Speaker 2: you know it needed to be it needed to play
Speaker 2: out the way that it played out. In my opinion,
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Speaker 2: com quick break. We'll come back on the other side
Speaker 2: wrap up or four o'clock hour. I don't know what
Speaker 2: time it is, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What day it is.
Speaker 2: I'll figure it out though, keep it locked right here
Speaker 2: on Sports Talk seven ninety. I think I can say
Speaker 2: that if if I never if I'd ever heard of
Speaker 2: Morgan Wallen's song again, I would be okay. And that
Speaker 2: sounds really mean, it's just the truth. But I don't
Speaker 2: think he's bad, And actually I find him to be
Speaker 2: pretty pretty talented as an artist. I know you're not
Speaker 2: a big fan, I mean meaning that you don't like
Speaker 2: seek his music out unless you know I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't not, I mean you're correct where
Speaker 3: you can't. The melodies he puts together are so infectious
Speaker 3: to listen to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think just me, I really, I really
Speaker 2: have an appreciation for those that are very much ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of the artistry and what they do, meaning
Speaker 2: you know's he's obviously working with producers for every song.
Speaker 2: He writes his own music. His melodies, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: are always catchy, and there's a lot of And who
Speaker 2: would I be to say anybody that's made it in
Speaker 2: mainstream music, you know, with a record deal and fame
Speaker 2: and success, Like, who am I to say that they're
Speaker 2: not talented? But you know, there's a lot of music
Speaker 2: that I hear now mainstream that I just don't really
Speaker 2: know where the talent is. But hey, it's working for him,
Speaker 2: so they're successful. But I feel like he's not somebody
Speaker 2: that I hear and think like, oh, it's just the
Speaker 2: new wave. I think he's really talented, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And you know, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: There's a reason he rose kind of above the rest
Speaker 3: of that era that some people consider bro country. Maybe
Speaker 3: you do or don't fit this into that category, but
Speaker 3: it is it kind of birthed from that era in
Speaker 3: your opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm sure he feels great about himself as
Speaker 2: an artist, knowing that he has my respect, Like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure that's what he was striving for. Oh yeah, And
Speaker 2: now he has it, So congratulations.
Speaker 3: He really wanted to hear his song right here on
Speaker 3: Sports Talks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's had a lot go his way in
Speaker 2: his career. There's been a lot of as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: it's just been an explosion with him as far as popularity.
Speaker 2: But this was the moment for him hearing DJ company
Speaker 2: Man playing it on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's what
Speaker 2: that was what he was striving for, and now it's
Speaker 2: happened for him. So congratulations to you, Morgan Walland you
Speaker 2: might know this, she might not now that we're talking
Speaker 2: about Morgan Walland did you know that he is cousins
Speaker 2: with Matt Jones.
Speaker 3: I no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Matt used to talk about it. I think
Speaker 2: at the time he was exploding, it became it was
Speaker 2: more of a talking point for Matt, and maybe he
Speaker 2: still talks about it and references that. I just haven't
Speaker 2: heard it in a while. I don't. I rarely ever
Speaker 2: think about that, but I'm not, you know, as someone
Speaker 2: who's friends with Matt, and I know Matt well, and
Speaker 2: some people want to throw things at me when I
Speaker 2: say that, but it's just the truth. That's one of
Speaker 2: the most random things of all time? It is, is
Speaker 2: it not? That's the most Matt Jones being Matt Jones
Speaker 2: being related to Morgan Wallen is again one of those
Speaker 2: random things I think I've ever said on the radio.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: R maybe maybe he has. I just have no.
Speaker 2: At some point before he was like super famous and
Speaker 2: probably impossible to get there was I don't know if
Speaker 2: he was ever on KSR, but I know since he's been,
Speaker 2: you know, in the limelight. Like I didn't realize it
Speaker 2: until way later he was on the Voice. Did you
Speaker 2: know that I did not know that. Yeah, look him
Speaker 2: up on Google. Morgan wall on the Voice. He looks
Speaker 2: way different, like he was going for a different look there.
Speaker 2: He was more of like a almost like a teeny
Speaker 2: bopper singer, like country singer, of course, but like he
Speaker 2: he just looked like, Yeah, he looked a lot different.
Speaker 2: So I think at that time, you know that that
Speaker 2: might have been the last time that they were, you know,
Speaker 2: relatively close. But you know his I mean his grandmother,
Speaker 2: and I think it's Matt's great aunt or maybe second cousin.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it all works, and I don't
Speaker 2: mean just because of their situation, but I've got like
Speaker 2: I've got cousins who have kids and their kids have kids,
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, I feel like it seems
Speaker 2: more of like an uncle thing, but technically where like
Speaker 2: third cousins or something like that. So anyways, there was
Speaker 2: a death in the family and I think one of
Speaker 2: more is it one of Morgan Wallen's album covers an
Speaker 2: old house. Yes, that old house like Matt Matt has
Speaker 2: been in it a bunch of times, because that's that's
Speaker 2: like where he grew up, meaning Morgan Wallin and like
Speaker 2: they would have family get togethers.
Speaker 3: At that houses. And I think that is the random thing.
Speaker 2: And I think, and I could be wrong, Matt conrrect me.
Speaker 2: I think the house is Morgan Walland's Grandma's, who is
Speaker 2: technically Matt's like second cousin or something like that. But again,
Speaker 2: like I rarely ever think about that, but I thought
Speaker 2: you might not know that, and I thought you might agree,
Speaker 2: and I thought you might agree that that's in that's
Speaker 2: insanely random, But it's.
Speaker 3: Also very this might sound weird, a very Matt Jones
Speaker 3: thing to be true at the same time, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, he's had some some random I mean, like
Speaker 2: he he's had a lot go his way. He's clearly
Speaker 2: a talented guy and he's worked hard for everything he has.
Speaker 2: But like sometimes I hear, like Ryan Lemon say something
Speaker 2: on KSR, and I'm like, how does maggot so lucky
Speaker 2: to have a guy that's just nothing? But without trying
Speaker 2: Ryan Lemon, who's a great guy. Love Ryan Lemon, but
Speaker 2: he's just he's walking content right, Like, yes, he couldn't
Speaker 2: be at trivia tonight, he said on KSR today because
Speaker 2: he's judging a Halloween costume contest. But it's for pets.
Speaker 2: Like that's a real thing, and like that's something a
Speaker 2: scriptwriter would put in there in like a sitcom. The
Speaker 2: goofy guy on their show can't make it because he's
Speaker 2: judging which pet has the best Halloween costume. Real story too,
Speaker 2: by the way, all right, five o'clock hours next, keep
Speaker 2: it locked right here, it's coffee and Company. Phil about
Speaker 2: Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety