1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,960 Today marks the seventeenth day of the Glaine Maxwell trial, 3 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:11,800 and yesterday was the first day that her defense took 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,399 center stage. We heard from several witnesses yesterday, but I 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,480 think the most impactful witness or should I say cross 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,239 examination of a witness, happened when doctor Loftus was on 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,679 the stand. Now we know that Ghlaine Maxwell and her 8 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,479 team have had a specific strategy this whole entire time, 9 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:37,679 and that strategy has been to go after the memory 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,560 of the witnesses as well as go after their credibility 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,679 as a whole. And what they were hoping was that 12 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:50,280 doctor Loftis would further those ambitions. Yesterday she did not. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,840 In fact, it seemed to me that the prosecution had 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,679 its best day, at least procedurally, since this whole entire 15 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,880 thing started. They had a couple of nice one liners. 16 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:05,480 A couple of times they got the room to laugh, 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,040 like when they were doing the cross examination of Kimberly 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,879 and when asked if she had ever been to Palm Beach, 19 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:16,799 she says no, and then they just you know, they 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,719 end their cross there. That elicited some chuckles from the courtroom. 21 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,560 And besides that, I think that they did a fantastic 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:32,439 job punching holes in doctor Loftis her testimony that was 23 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:37,319 supposed to be strong testimony for the defense, Glenn Maxwell's team. 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,879 They were hoping that doctor Loftis would show out and 25 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,359 make it seem like all of the stuff they have 26 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:48,000 been talking about false memory and the rest of it 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,040 is actually legit. But in reality, what happened was they 28 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:58,920 kind of got in their own way. Doctor Loftis seemed 29 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,280 to be more useful to the prosecution yesterday on the 30 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,840 stand than she was for the defense, and coming into 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,120 this I kind of thought the same thing was going 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,560 to occur. I mean, look, this is somebody, this lady, 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,120 she's a hired gun. She does this for profit, and 34 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:20,919 there is no scumbag scummy enough for her to avoid. 35 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:24,879 And I get it right, Look, if you have the 36 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,520 money and you're fighting for your life at a trial, 37 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,280 I would employ all the specialists that I could afford 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,039 as well, but maybe I would find some specialists that 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,439 aren't involved in people losing. You know, there got to 40 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:40,840 be a couple out there, right, But what it really 41 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:42,800 comes down to, and I know this is going to 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,400 be groundbreaking what I'm about to say. But here's an idea. 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,599 Don't traffic children, don't abuse children, don't hurt other people, 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,400 and don't commit crimes, and you won't have to worry 45 00:02:56,439 --> 00:03:01,479 about any of this shit. Maxwell, her and her friends. 46 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,000 You know, they were able to get away with it 47 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:07,039 for so long that it was normalized to them. So 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,400 when they get caught and they find out they have 49 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:13,599 no friends left to protect them, well, it's a big 50 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,439 shock to the system. Meanwhile, the rest of us are 51 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:20,280 sitting around looking at each other, like, how weren't these 52 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:25,360 people arrested when Maria told the FBI about them in 53 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:30,879 ninety six? How aren't they arrested? Insert a million times here. 54 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:38,800 But now that Maxwell is finally facing a jury of 55 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,599 her peers, it's not looking good in my opinion for now. Obviously, 56 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:46,560 they still have today to go. And remember they said 57 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,479 they had a witness list of thirty five people, So 58 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:54,159 who knows what's coming down the old shoot here, But 59 00:03:55,759 --> 00:04:00,800 they would have to have something earth shaking, like ground rattling, earthshaking, 60 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:09,800 existential world elimination event, because what has been provided so 61 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,360 far as testimony in defense of Glenn Maxwell I haven't 62 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,319 seen anything that would make the testimony of what those 63 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,519 survivors had to say look any less impactful or make 64 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,759 me question myself saying, ah, man, you know maybe none 65 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,279 of that. There has been no material witnesses, just a 66 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,199 bunch of what ifs, right, that's all that Maxwell's defense 67 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,240 has provided us. What ifs well, what if the memory 68 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,120 is faulty, what if this? What if that? Meanwhile, the 69 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,240 survivors are sitting there across the table from Glen Maxwell 70 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,759 and saying, this is what you did to me. So 71 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,920 I have found that to be way, way, way more 72 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:04,439 impactful than the honestly nonsensical witness list that was brought 73 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,199 forward yesterday. Now there might be something more to it, right, 74 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:11,720 some of the other witnesses that they brought up yesterday, 75 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:15,319 the guy from the supply company, and they might be 76 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:19,639 setting all of that up for some sort of closing 77 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,480 that they have prepared. But as of now, it just 78 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,120 doesn't really make all that much sense their witness lists 79 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:32,319 so far. If you're going to try and prove that 80 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,600 your client is innocent, shouldn't you have a couple of actual, 81 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,600 like character witnesses and people who are like, there's no 82 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,240 way this happened. I was there at the time. But really, 83 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,920 what you have, when it comes down to it, is 84 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,560 for women who were girls or young ladies when they 85 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,560 were in the clutches of Maxwell and Epstein, who are 86 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,120 now saying, look, this is what happened to us, this 87 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:00,199 is what she did. And to me, that is way 88 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,720 more powerful than some quote unquote expert coming up there 89 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,160 and telling me some what ifs or hypotheticals or about studies. 90 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,639 I don't need to see any studies, to be honest 91 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,079 with you. I've read what happened here, i have seen 92 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,639 the evidence. I have heard what the police department in 93 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,879 Palm Beach has had to say about this from the 94 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:27,399 very beginning. So I don't need a Misloftis to tell 95 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:32,360 me about false memories. And I think that the jury 96 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:35,360 is going to see it that way as well. Whereas 97 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:38,839 the jury just got done listening to the testimony from 98 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:45,680 the survivors, which was absolutely horrible and gut wrenching to 99 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,680 listen to, and then that anchored by the testimony that 100 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,240 Annie gave, you would think that the defense is going 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,800 to have to come correct because what the jury has 102 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,839 seen so far as far as ature being painted is 103 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:05,120 that Glenn Maxwell was at the nexus of all of this. 104 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,439 She had her dirty little fingers on the controls and 105 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,959 she was right there with Jeffrey Epstein for the whole 106 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,920 entire thing. And as far as the defenses go, so far, 107 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:21,560 we haven't seen anything from them that would make me 108 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,360 or I would think the jury take a step back 109 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:27,720 and say, oh, maybe we've looked at this the wrong way. 110 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:31,120 Maybe we've missed something throughout this whole entire thing. And 111 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,680 this has been the key piece of evidence that proves 112 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,680 that Maxwell had nothing to do with this. I've been 113 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,560 waiting for that piece of evidence for, oh, I don't know, 114 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:43,560 three years now, and I certainly haven't seen it yet. 115 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,360 So I really wonder what the plan's going to be 116 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,399 for the defense today. And if they don't have something monumental, 117 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,279 I honestly don't see how Maxwell's going to get off here. 118 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,000 The mountain of evidence is that high, folks. And remember 119 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,000 we're only talking about this small scope. If this was 120 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:09,279 the actual full scope of what went on, forget it, 121 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,480 absolutely forget it. This would be the trial of trials 122 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,600 with all of the people that would be wrapped up 123 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,920 in it, even just on the fringes, right, And I 124 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,279 think a lot of people were hoping that that's what 125 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,120 this was going to be. And I've tried to tamper 126 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:29,800 down those expectations because I knew exactly what we were 127 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,360 getting into here. This was never going to be the 128 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,639 full Monty, the full exposure of Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts. 129 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,799 That was never going to occur unless there was a 130 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,679 Rico case. Now, the only other way that this can happen, 131 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,799 where we can really get to the bottom of all 132 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,000 of this, is if that non prosecution agreement is thrown 133 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,559 out by one of the higher courts, which would have 134 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:56,240 to be the Supreme Court at this point. Now, if 135 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,639 that happens and all of those protections go away, then 136 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,759 it will be a brand new day, if you will, 137 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,720 in the world of bringing down the scumbags hanging out 138 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 with Jeffrey Epstein. But that non prosecution agreement, it was 139 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:14,919 put in place for a reason. They knew what they 140 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,360 were doing, and they were looking to provide themselves protection 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,879 in the future as well. And here we are all 142 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:29,279 these years later, and that non prosecution agreement still looming large. 143 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,440 When they were going through the process to try and 144 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,519 get that thing done away with it was. I was 145 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,720 very hopeful that they'd be able to do that, but 146 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:46,000 unfortunately the panel ruled seven to four not to do it. 147 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,039 What I'm gonna do later is I'm gonna post an 148 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,360 episode about that, that whole entire situation with the NPA 149 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:57,240 and what occurred, because it's a big deal and it's 150 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,720 a big part of the overall story. Right. But when 151 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,919 we moved back to what we saw yesterday and what 152 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,679 we're expecting to see today, I would hope that the 153 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,399 prosecution keeps up their good work that they really dove 154 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,480 into yesterday with the procedure. Anyway, it was nice to 155 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:25,480 see them handle business from their end, short and sweet. 156 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,759 They didn't get into any kind of like long drawn 157 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:31,720 out nonsensical bs, and they just hammered home their points 158 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:35,480 and getting doctor Loftis to agree about the memory stuff 159 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:40,120 at the end. That was a master's stroke, very very 160 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:43,600 good work. And just about everybody that I've talked to 161 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,200 who is hip to how these things happen in the 162 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,039 courtroom has said the same thing about what the prosecution 163 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:53,120 did yesterday and how well things went for the prosecution. 164 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,519 So I hope that we can see some of that 165 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,679 today as well. I hope that carries over. But before 166 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,240 we get there, let's take a look at some of 167 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:07,200 the headlines from overnight that have to do with what 168 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,399 we should see today. Now, one of the first headlines 169 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:14,159 we're going to look at is from ABC News, and 170 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,279 it's about how the judge, Judge Nathan she denied the 171 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,879 request for anonymity for the witnesses for Maxwell. Let's jump 172 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,879 in here and see what's what. Defense attorneys for Glean Maxwell, 173 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,159 the longtime associate of serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, began 174 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,480 to present their case on Thursday after a judge denied 175 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:40,159 their request to allow three of their anticipated witnesses to 176 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:45,159 testify under a pseudonym or using only their first names. Now, 177 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,320 when this was all first talked about, I said, hey, whatever, 178 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,759 who cares if that's the way the court rolls, And fine, 179 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,399 you know, look, I don't want to reinvent the wheel here, right, 180 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,720 and I don't want Glen Maxwell having any kind of 181 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,519 out because of procedurals. But it is a very odd 182 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,799 request when you talk to people who are in the 183 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,519 know here, and I'm certainly not a court reporter, folks, 184 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,519 I'm not even a journalist. But when you speak to 185 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,320 people who follow this thing, this is this kind of thing. 186 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,440 I mean, this is a very odd request, I guess, 187 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,919 and not something that is granted very often by the court. 188 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,480 So you could see why Judge Nathan wouldn't allow it. 189 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,200 This article goes on to say in her decision, Judge 190 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,120 Allison Nathan of the US District Court for the Southern 191 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:32,600 District of New York wrote that the court, after significant 192 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,480 independent research, could not identify a single case in which 193 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:40,399 a court has previously granted the use of pseudonyms to 194 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:45,320 defense witnesses, leading her to believe that the request was unprecedented. 195 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,600 So there you have it, right, if it's never happened before, 196 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,639 certainly not bending any rules for Glenn Maxwell. Why would 197 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:55,360 anyone want to do that. The rules have been bent 198 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,600 for her for way too long anyway. So that's why 199 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,200 Judge Nathan denied that request. And that's why we're not 200 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:07,639 going to see any of any of these people come 201 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:12,720 and give their testimony anonymously. That's not going to happen. 202 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:17,480 So let's see what else do we got here. We 203 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:27,799 have about Glen Maxwell's ex assistant, Kimberly Espinosa, and how 204 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,720 she was called up and how she was gushing about 205 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:34,120 Maxwell and this that the other thing. You know, out 206 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:36,679 of all of the people that have worked with Maxwell 207 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,879 and Epstein, this is the only one that they have 208 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:41,799 found that could come up there as a character witness. 209 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,720 So Kimberly Espinosa, she was the first witness called yesterday, 210 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,639 and she told the Jerry about her time working side 211 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,080 by side with Maxwell from ninety six to two thousand 212 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,679 and two, and like we talked about yesterday, she at 213 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,960 first thought Maxwell and Epstein were a couple, according to 214 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:07,639 Espinoza's testimony, and then she worked at the Madison Avenue 215 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:12,200 office with Epstein, and then she worked as Maxwell's assistant 216 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:17,080 right now. Espinosa claimed that Epstein asked her to send 217 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,799 flowers to another woman, Selena Middlefart, during that time, behind 218 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:25,399 Maxwell's back. What that goes to show you, and why 219 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:28,159 I'm bringing that up is to just to punch home 220 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,480 the fact Maxwell and Epstein were never an exclusive couple, 221 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:33,960 right like you or I would be you and your 222 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,480 significant other where you would never think about being with 223 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:40,720 somebody else or hurting them or anything like that. That 224 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:43,960 wasn't what Epstein and Maxwell were. It was a business arrangement, 225 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,440 and I know the official narrative doesn't state that, but 226 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:51,080 the official narrative doesn't state a lot of things that 227 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,720 have been proven to be correct. And I would think 228 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,600 that after all of these years that people would be 229 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:02,080 hip to the fact that the legacy media is being 230 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,679 lapped when it comes to this story. The stuff that 231 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:06,960 they bring up, the stuff that they talk about we 232 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:12,480 have literally talked about years ago. For instance, Shelley Anne Lewis, 233 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:19,480 Gwendolyn Beck, those episodes. I uploaded those episodes a year 234 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,639 and a half, two years ago in some cases, So 235 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,960 we've been talking about these people for a very, very 236 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,679 long time. And to see that some of them are 237 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:30,360 being brought up here in the proceedings, it's certainly a 238 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:32,840 step in the right direction, but they need to go 239 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,600 further because there are so many other people that were 240 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:41,720 involved in this that it's insane to me that we're 241 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,480 not seeing people like Sarah Kellen Vickers, or Adriana Ross 242 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:53,080 or Leslie Groff. It's just almost impossible for me to 243 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,600 understand how people who had such a huge role in 244 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,879 what went on here, and people who have actually been 245 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,039 fingered by survivors have been able to stay out of 246 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:11,159 the firing line. And again it goes back to the scope, right, 247 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,360 but at the very least, these people should have been 248 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,559 called up by the prosecution, should have been hit with 249 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,960 some kind of indictment or pressure to come up and speak. Now, 250 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:29,360 that's not what this turned into, though. This is you know, 251 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,919 this is very specific when it comes to the crimes 252 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,600 that they're talking about, and the fact that it is 253 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:44,639 just being brought up now. The fact that Glenn Maxwell 254 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:50,519 was able to avoid prosecution for so long is really 255 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,039 one of the biggest issues with all of this, and 256 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,600 one of the biggest issues that has to be discussed 257 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,840 even after this case ends. This trial's over, because the 258 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:06,640 implications for what occurred here are gigantic. The fact that 259 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,440 there were so many people who were hip to what's 260 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:12,440 going on here and people that are in positions of power. 261 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:18,200 The fact that Acosta was left holding the bag when 262 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,119 there are so many people above him that should have 263 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,559 been clipped as well. The fact that the prosecutors in 264 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,160 Florida the first time around worked with the defense attorneys 265 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,000 to undercut the testimony and the credibility of the witnesses. 266 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,440 This is the kind of thing that has been happening 267 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:45,000 in this case since the very beginning. So when people 268 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,200 are worried that things are going to continue to go 269 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:52,720 that way, it's a legit concern, right. But what I 270 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:57,559 will say is this, folks, so far when it comes 271 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:01,559 to this specific trial, this specific case, I don't think 272 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,519 Maxwell has done enough as far as her defense team 273 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,400 and the legal arguments that they have brought forward. I 274 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,319 think that what they have so far is really nothing. 275 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,640 They're hoping that the playbook from the early two thousands 276 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:20,880 is going to be relevant now. But just like urban 277 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,160 Meyer found out down in Jacksonville, these are the pros. 278 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,039 This is in college anymore, and it's the same for Maxwell. 279 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,799 Things have changed. The whole landscape has changed. The way 280 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:36,359 people look at these kinds of crimes has changed. And 281 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,799 whenever there is a woman involved in a manner such 282 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:46,960 as this, people are not very happy about it, right, 283 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,440 and people are not willing to look the other way. 284 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:55,480 It becomes even more heinous when a woman is involved, 285 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:58,039 and a lot of times when the jerry sees that, 286 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,279 they go hard in the paint. So I'm expecting, unless 287 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,480 there's some sort of super bombshell that we can't anticipate 288 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,240 that we're going to get a little bit more of 289 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:12,519 the same today, and that the prosecution is going to 290 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:15,920 set themselves up for another great day. I just don't 291 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,880 see how any of these witnesses that Maxwell's going to 292 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,480 call are going to be enough or have enough knowledge 293 00:19:24,519 --> 00:19:27,119 of what went on here to punch holes in the 294 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:32,880 argument of the four survivors and the testimony that they've 295 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,599 brought forward. Their stories are all locked in together, and 296 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,519 everything that they talk about, you can see the pattern 297 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:44,160 in each separate case, how it lines up. You could 298 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,960 see how Maxwell and Epstein groomed them, you can see 299 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,680 how they brought them into their orbit. And those are 300 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,359 those foundational blocks that have been built over the first 301 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,359 two weeks of testimony. And I think that as we 302 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,319 get close, Sir, to a judgment on Glenn Maxwell's future, 303 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,000 I'm getting a little bit more confident as these days 304 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:09,359 go by. Now, I'll tell you what, I really wasn't 305 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,440 all that confident last week when the defense, I mean, 306 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,599 when the prosecution rested their case. I really, uh, you know, 307 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 it took some time for me to sit down and 308 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:22,480 really say, all right, well, we'll see what's gonna happen here. 309 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:29,079 But now after yesterday and seeing how doctor Loftus's testimony 310 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,200 really didn't play well, I don't see how they're going 311 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,440 to be able to bring anyone forward to punch holes 312 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,920 in the memory argument here. If their doctor, their big 313 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,599 shot professional couldn't do it, I doubt any of these 314 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:46,519 other witnesses are going to be able to do it. 315 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,920 So today we're going to see what's up. We know 316 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:53,920 we have three witnesses that the defense is talking about, 317 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:58,960 calling one of them Eva, another Michelle, and I believe 318 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,599 one is Kelly, and for me, the most interesting out 319 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:05,720 of those names is Eva. I'm wondering if it's Eva Dubin, 320 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,359 but I highly doubt it, So we'll see in a 321 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,559 little while, I guess. Anyway, folks, I'll be here same 322 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:16,759 as usual, taking notes, getting ready for the evening update 323 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:19,400 so we can go over a little bit at least 324 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,319 of what went on in the courtroom. All right, everybody, 325 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,559 until then, I hope you all have a great day 326 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,519 and I will be back later. If you'd like to 327 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,920 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at 328 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,319 ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb Y c ap you 329 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,000 Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me 330 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:49,119 on Twitter at Bobby Underscore c ap you cci. What's 331 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,359 up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today 332 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,759 Gallaine Maxwell's defense team wrap things up, folks. And it 333 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:01,440 was after only eight witnesses is were brought to the 334 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,799 stand in her defense. Now, usually we'd go through all 335 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,039 of the witness statements for the day and what they 336 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:12,079 talked about in the courtroom, but it was clunky as 337 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,920 hell today in the courtroom. They started and they stopped, 338 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:19,960 and really the only witness of note that was up 339 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,480 on the stand to give any testimony was Eva Dubin. Now, 340 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:31,079 Eva Dubin is the wife of Glenn Duben and Glenn 341 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,680 Dubin is not only somebody who was obviously in Jeffrey 342 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:42,640 Epstein's orbit, but according to Virginia Roberts, Glenn Dubin assaulted 343 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,799 her as she was being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. So 344 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,400 he's not only just an enabler and his wife isn't 345 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,920 just shouldn't just be a witness for the defense here, 346 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:57,240 he is actually somebody who has been credibly accused of rape. 347 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,400 So it shows you the bottom of the barrel that 348 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:06,039 Gallainne Maxwell is dredging when it came to witnesses. Now 349 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,640 there was the talk of thirty five witnesses that the 350 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,599 defense was talking about bringing up, and I thought that 351 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:16,039 was a bit extreme. So it certainly is not going 352 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,680 to be the case at this point. And you look 353 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,960 at the witnesses that they had and what they brought 354 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,079 to the table and the picture that they were painting, 355 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:32,319 and to me anyway, it certainly didn't move Gallainne Maxwell's 356 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,039 defense any further. It didn't push the goalposts, if you will. 357 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,160 It was pretty much them spinning their wheels. And what 358 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:46,480 happens here is you can see very much so why 359 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:50,720 Galline Maxwell and her attorneys played the game of loopholes 360 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:55,000 and technicalities the way they did. They knew that they 361 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,920 didn't have a chance in a courtroom trial. They don't 362 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:04,359 have any evidence on their side to push their story along. 363 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480 All they can hope to do is punch holes in 364 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:11,359 the defense. And then when you see her not taking 365 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,079 the stand, well, for me, that says everything that I 366 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,000 need to hear to be honest. And I know people 367 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,119 will say, oh, well, a lawyer tells her not to 368 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,680 take a stan I don't care if it's my life 369 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,640 on the line going to prison for the rest of 370 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,440 my life. And I'm innocent, especially, you better believe I'm 371 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,680 gonna go up there, take the stand and give my 372 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:37,759 account of what happened and defend my name. So you're thinking, 373 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,319 for all of this money with Glenn Maxwell's defense, that 374 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,000 we're gonna end with a bang, and folks, we went 375 00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:48,559 out with a whimper. Now they're going to be meeting 376 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,240 tomorrow as well. It's a bit of a conference and 377 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,160 then Monday will be the closing arguments. After that it'll 378 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,960 be the deliberation, and the jury will either make a 379 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:05,400 decision on Glenn Maxwell's fate right before Christmas or right 380 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,279 after the holiday. My guess is they're coming right back 381 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:12,119 to get back to work. But it's kind of ah 382 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440 odd place for the Jerry to be right hard ended 383 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,920 by a holiday like that, and you would think that 384 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,759 they want to get home and get on with their holidays. 385 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,039 But I don't know. After only eight defense witnesses are 386 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:33,279 called here, you would think that it won't take the 387 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,519 jury all that long to deliberate. When we were first 388 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,640 talking about this case, they were saying that it's going 389 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,799 to go six weeks, and that's what my schedule was 390 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,960 based around, so you would think that there is going 391 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,200 to be more testimony from both sides. And when the 392 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,559 prosecution wrapped it up early, I figured that perhaps the 393 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,559 defense would try and push it home a little bit 394 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,319 and call maybe not thirty five witnesses, but certainly more 395 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,559 than eight. Especially like I said, when you look at 396 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,240 what they brought to the table, it was kind of ridiculous. 397 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,680 And I don't even know what sort of help any 398 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,720 of these witnesses were for Gleanne Maxwell. A couple of 399 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,920 the assistants talking about how Gleann Maxwell was nice to them, 400 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,279 but none of them were ever even in the area 401 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:31,359 when this stuff was going on. So just because Jeffrey 402 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,160 Dahmer's coworkers never saw him killing it anyone, does that 403 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:41,079 mean it didn't happen. So the whole group of witnesses 404 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,480 that have been brought forward I just haven't found to 405 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:48,160 be worthwhile as far as the defense. And if it 406 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,960 was me and I was sitting in that seat that 407 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,039 glean Maxwell is sitting in, I'd be freaking out at 408 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,200 my defense team right now and I would definitely be 409 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,119 taking the stant. But she's not gonna do it. She 410 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,960 says that in her opinion. The government has not yet 411 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,440 made the case and she's innocent, but I would think 412 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,759 that taking the stand would go a long way with 413 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,079 the jury. Especially we're not talking about somebody who's not 414 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,720 used to speaking in public, or somebody who doesn't have 415 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,400 a large vocabulary or doesn't know what they're saying. This 416 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:28,359 is somebody who's very highly educated, Oxford educated. She should 417 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,319 be able to get up there on that stand and 418 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,279 give an accounting of what went down and what happened 419 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:41,079 and refute the testimony of these survivors one by one. Now, 420 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,559 I guess her legal team probably took a look at 421 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,799 all of that, and they probably had some mock runs 422 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,359 previously on how a jury would react to her taking 423 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,759 the stand, and my guess is it didn't come back 424 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,200 very favorably. So they decided to just end today up 425 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,480 the case and hope that enough doubt was punched into 426 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,319 the testimony of the survivors and the witnesses brought forth 427 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,480 by the prosecution in the last two weeks or so. 428 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240 I don't really believe that they've done that job. I 429 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,480 don't think that they have advanced their narrative to a 430 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,000 point where a juror is going to look at it 431 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:31,000 and say, up, yeah, not guilty now, is that, you know? 432 00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:34,319 Set in stone? Of course not. There might be something 433 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,359 that we're completely missing here, But from what evidence has 434 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,079 been presented thus far, it certainly looks to me as 435 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,559 if the prosecution, which certainly didn't have a stellar display 436 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,160 throughout this whole thing either, by the way, it looks 437 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160 like they have certainly done enough to make their case 438 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,839 at the very least. And when you see the defense 439 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,079 end like they did today, you know, you might want 440 00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:02,920 to read a little bit into that and say, oh man, 441 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,359 they're really on their heels. But I'm not well versed 442 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,160 enough in these kinds of trials to say that or 443 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,960 to make those sort of assertions. From my position over 444 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,599 here in the peanut gallery, it doesn't look good for 445 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,640 the defense, But again, I don't follow these trials on 446 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960 a day to day basis for the most part. In fact, 447 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,559 this is the first trial I have ever followed. I 448 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,599 usually have zero interest in the legalese because it's all 449 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,119 jumble soup, right, It's confusing and a lot of nonsense 450 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,240 and a lot of boring lulls in the action, if 451 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,039 you will. So this might be something that the defense 452 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,400 you know, does on a regular basis. And I have 453 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,720 read in these kinds of cases, sexual abuse cases, that 454 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,680 the defense does try to keep their presentations short and 455 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:56,240 sweet because they understand the fragility of things when you're 456 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,200 dealing with sexual assault. So what we're going to do today, 457 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,200 instead of diving all the way into you know, the 458 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:07,119 uh courtroom back and forth like we have been every 459 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,640 other day, considering we had hours and hours of that, 460 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,279 what we're gonna do today is just go through a 461 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,720 couple of articles and wrap up what happened in the courtroom. 462 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,279 Like I said, the Eva Dubin stuff is the most important, 463 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:24,680 But even then, there was nothing roundbreaking, nothing that was 464 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,480 missed as far as being reported by the articles in 465 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,920 the aftermath. Now, there was no like uh, you know, 466 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,920 little gems or anything like that, Eva Dubin getting up 467 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,799 there as a witness for Glenn Maxwell in this bizarro 468 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,759 world we live in. So with that said, let's take 469 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,200 a look at this article from CNN and let's see 470 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,920 what they have to say. This article was authored by 471 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:54,359 Lauren de Valley and Dacin and don Or and Dony. 472 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,920 Sorry I might have mispronounced that one way or the other. Headline, 473 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,440 Glen Maxwell's defense team rests its case after she declines 474 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,759 to testify. Glenn Maxwell's defense team has rested its case 475 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,640 in her sex trafficking conspiracy trial without Maxwell taking the 476 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,079 stand to testify. The defense rested after presenting its case 477 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,960 over two days in which nine witnesses were called to 478 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000 testify in defense of Maxwell, a close confidant and longtime 479 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,799 associate of Jeffrey Epstein. Prosecutors said they would not put 480 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,599 on any rebuttal. So again, that shows you what the 481 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,319 prosecutors think about what the defense brought to the table. 482 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,240 They're not even going to put on a rebuttal. They're 483 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,279 ready to go with what they have. They think that 484 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,119 they've made a strong enough case, and they think that 485 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,359 their case is going to end up in a conviction. 486 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680 Maxwell confirmed she would not testify in her defense Friday. 487 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,720 Asked by Judge Allison Nathan if she understood her rights, 488 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,079 Maxwell pulled down her mask and responded, your honor, the 489 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,000 government has not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt, 490 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,920 and so there is no need for me to testify. 491 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,440 The jury was not present when this back and forth occurred. So, 492 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,559 according to her, in her world, where remember all of 493 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,759 us are the hero in our own story. Right in 494 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,240 her world, nobody's made the case. I didn't do anything wrong. 495 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,640 I had nothing to do with any of this. I'm 496 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,079 not going to take the stand and testify on my 497 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,920 own behalf, which I find honestly crazy. Again, I'm not 498 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,039 a two thousand dollars an hour lawyer either. I'm just 499 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,519 looking at it from the average person perspective. And when 500 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,640 you know someone is accused of something wrongly, or somebody 501 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,839 is said to have committed a crime that they didn't commit, 502 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400 a lot of times, you know, I'd say a majority 503 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240 of times, a vast majority of times, most people want 504 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,880 to clear their name right, get up there, tell their 505 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,759 side of the story. But Maxwell has never done anything 506 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,480 like that. She's hidden behind the non prosecution agreement, and 507 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,000 she's hidden behind the fact that the media for the 508 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:04,680 most part, up until recently, has not cared one single 509 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:11,359 lick about this whole entire fiasco. Closing arguments are expected Monday, 510 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,440 and Judge Allison Nathan said she expects to instruct and 511 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:18,079 charge the jury the same day, giving jurors two days 512 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,359 to deliberate before a court closes next Thursday and Friday 513 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,400 for the Christmas holidays, so they have two days right 514 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,799 before Christmas to get their deliberation on. And obviously they'll 515 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,039 go back and forth in the courtroom and they'll discuss 516 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,400 all the all of the in the juror's room. I mean, 517 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,559 they'll discuss all of the evidence that they have received, 518 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,640 what they think, and they'll try and come to a conclusion. 519 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,839 The jury can return to continue deliberating the following week 520 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,119 if they have not reached a verdict. Maxwell has pleaded 521 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,160 not guilty to six federal charges, including sex trafficking of miners, 522 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,559 enticing a miner to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, 523 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,759 transporting a miner with the intent to engage in criminal 524 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,440 seens ctual activity, and three counts of conspiracy. I don't 525 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920 see any Man Act in here. Very weird. Enticing a 526 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,000 minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, it's 527 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,159 pretty much what the Man Act was put on the 528 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,880 books for. No. The case against Maxwell fifty nine relies 529 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,480 mainly on the testimony of four women who say they 530 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,119 were sexually abused by Epstein when they were under the 531 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,719 age of eighteen, and that Maxwell facilitated and sometimes participated 532 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,199 in the abuse. Prosecutors rested their case last Friday, after 533 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,719 ten days of testimony and calling twenty four witnesses. So 534 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,920 we got a third of the witnesses called by the defense, 535 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,679 and again, like I said, they were not substantial. In 536 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,920 my opinion, I don't think any of the witnesses called 537 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,000 by the defense were of a substantial nature that made 538 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,159 you sit up and take notice or made you say 539 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,280 to yourself, holy shit. Maybe I've read this this whole 540 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,159 thing wrong, Maybe I've missed something, because I'm always looking 541 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,519 for evidence that's going to challenge my biases and challenge 542 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,280 my beliefs. And I've continued to do that throughout this 543 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,159 whole entire ordeal, at least since I've been following it 544 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,840 for three years. And to tell you the truth, folks, 545 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,800 it always ends up in the same place. Maxwell, Epstein 546 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,599 and all of their enablers. They were guilty of all 547 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:29,559 of this. Maxwell's defense attorneys have argued she is being 548 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:33,880 scapegoaded for Epstein's actions and have attacked both the motivations 549 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,039 and memory of the women who say they were abused. Now, look, 550 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,480 I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that Glenn 551 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,519 Maxwell should be the only one to go down for 552 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:49,159 this she shouldn't. Sarah kellen Vickers, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff, 553 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,159 and the host of others who have been intimately involved 554 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:56,320 with Epstein throughout this whole entire thing, they all deserve 555 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,519 their taste. But that doesn't mean that we should just 556 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,400 be like, oh, well, since nowbody else is on trial, 557 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,199 nobody else is indicted, well we shouldn't worry about Maxwell. 558 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,079 What sort of nonsense is that Maxwell needs to go 559 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,920 to prison. So does Sarah kellen Vickers. In my opinion, 560 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,039 hopefully they'll indict her someday, but with the non prosecution agreement, 561 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:24,239 obviously it's going to be difficult. Epstein was indicted on 562 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,559 federal sex trafficking charges in July twenty nineteen, but died 563 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:32,880 by suicide in prison a month later. Allegedly, he'd previously 564 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,280 pleaded guilty in two thousand and eight to state prostitution charges, 565 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,440 and those prostitution charges, remember, all stemmed from the situation 566 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,119 of bringing the girls to the house four massages in 567 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,800 Palm Beach, all part of this sexual pyramid scheme he 568 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,119 was running, and only one of those girls was able 569 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,840 to give her testimony to the grand jury in Palm 570 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,599 Beach because the prosecutors. Barry Kirsher's office and the rest 571 00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:06,320 of those dunces worked with the defense hand in hand, Lefkowitz, Dershowitz, 572 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,440 Kenny Starr, the rest of them to make sure that 573 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,360 the accusers little girls, by the way, had their credibility 574 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,719 ruined as well. Oh because they drank, or they had 575 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,519 pictures up on my Space with a boy, or they 576 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,199 here's the big one that's really going to knock you 577 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,800 out of your socks. They smoked a pot. I mean really, 578 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,320 And this is what was going down in Palm Beach 579 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,719 in two thousand and eight when all of this occurred, 580 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,519 it could have all been stopped. Then. The defense on 581 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,239 Friday called to the stand Eva Anderson Dubin, who testified 582 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,360 she dated Epstein on and off from nineteen eighty three 583 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:48,559 through about nineteen nineteen ninety one. She confirmed that she 584 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360 and her now husband, hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin remained 585 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,599 friends with Epstein through the two thousands. Now I'm going 586 00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:01,639 to post an episode about Eva Dubin and about her 587 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,199 and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship and her husband as well. Now 588 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,800 I've posted a few episodes about the Dubins previously, and 589 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,719 this one is going to be a little bit more 590 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,039 context considering she is the focal point basically of the 591 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:20,239 discussion today, and Eva Dubin as a witness bringing her 592 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,119 up here, I don't even understand what the defense is thinking. 593 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,320 You're gonna bring up the wife of a man who 594 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:35,039 is credibly accused of raping Virginia Roberts as a character witness. 595 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,519 In response to questioning by the defense Anderson, Dubin said 596 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:42,039 she had never participated in group sexualized massages with one 597 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,159 of the accusers, referred to as Jane, who had earlier 598 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,719 testified she recalled a woman named Eva had joined group 599 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,280 sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell. So again, we really 600 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,400 gonna use Eva Dubin as the pinnacle of truth here. Sorry, 601 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,440 not me. I've read way too much about these people 602 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,480 to even begin to trust what she has to say. 603 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,519 I think I'll believe Virginia and what Virginia has said 604 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,079 over what any of the Dubins ever have to say. 605 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,159 There's an article out there as well about a situation 606 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,760 at the Dubin's house that I have a episode on 607 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920 that I'm gonna look for. I have it in my 608 00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,639 archive somewhere, and I'm gonna post it. It's a disturbing 609 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,840 article and episode about how there's a situation at the 610 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,199 Dubin's house where one of the survivors who was brought 611 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,280 there with Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell was crying to 612 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,320 the butler about her situation. And it's just a whole 613 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,519 brutal deal. And we have account after account like this 614 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,960 of these survivors throughout this whole entire thing. And Eva 615 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:56,000 Dubin is called as a character witness. She should be 616 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,599 worried about getting her own defense attorneys, never mind being 617 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,119 a ca her witness for Gallaine Maxwell. Her and her 618 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:10,599 husband should be facing criminal charges, in my opinion. Asked 619 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,000 Friday if she'd ever been involved in such a scenario 620 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,800 with Jane, Dubin responded, absolutely not. A prosecutor clarified on 621 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,880 cross examination that Eva Anderson Dubin is not necessarily the 622 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,599 only Eva to have interacted with Epstein, suggesting Jane could 623 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:28,280 have been referring to someone else, and that's absolutely one 624 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,159 hundred percent correct as well, Eva was the only Eva 625 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,559 Jeffrey Epstein knows. Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell and their 626 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,960 buddy Jean Luke Brunel. They had a long list of 627 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,840 girls from Eastern Europe that they liked to bring to 628 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,400 America to traffic. So I'm sure there are plenty of 629 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,159 EVAs running around. And the prosecution again did a pretty 630 00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,960 good job today. They were able to hammer home some 631 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:59,079 points and they were able to really cement some of 632 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:04,239 their narrative. On Thursday, as part of the defense effort 633 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,000 to undermine the accuser's testimony, a psychologist and professor at 634 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,599 the University of California, Irvine testified about false memories, telling 635 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,679 the court people can be exposed to misinformation about an 636 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,920 event after the fact and incorporate it into their memory, 637 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,079 making it inaccurate. She was up there with all kinds 638 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,599 of quackery yesterday talking all kinds of crazy stuff, But 639 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,199 when the chips were down and the lights were on, 640 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,519 she didn't perform, meaning the doctor. She showed herself to 641 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,480 be a hired gun, somebody chasing the dollar signs, looking 642 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,519 to get that bag and the millions of dollars she's made. 643 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,599 Giving testimony for scumbags tells the whole story that you 644 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:49,159 need to know now. That doesn't diminish her scholarly accomplishments, 645 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,119 right she is educated in her field and probably one 646 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,280 of the foremost experts. But I have if we're going 647 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,559 to question the motivation of the survivors who were abused, 648 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,559 we're not going to question the motivation of a hired gun. 649 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,400 Even traumatic experiences can be subjected to post event suggestion 650 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,599 that can exaggerate, distort, or change the memory, doctor Elizabeth 651 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,639 Loftis said. She also said, though that the core memories 652 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,880 are remembered, the core memories of the trauma, those aren't changed. 653 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,880 Tense exchanges over trial timing with looming holiday break, court 654 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360 began Friday with back and forth between the judge and 655 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,199 the defense, who, prior to the jury being called in 656 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,679 indicated it had at least two potential witnesses that could 657 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,920 have carried their case into Monday, including one the defense 658 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,679 said had ignored a subpoena. Judge Nathan was visibly frustrated 659 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:48,840 by the news and asked the defense why she had 660 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,800 not heard of the issue earlier, saying a non responsive 661 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,599 witness is not a little thing. Yeah, you can get 662 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:58,239 arrested for not sir, for not showing up for a 663 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,840 subpoena that's been served to you. Pretty serious issue, right, 664 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,519 something that the court should probably be made aware of. 665 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,599 But one thing we definitely have learned throughout this is 666 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,719 that Maxwell's attorneys they play by their own rules. These 667 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,840 guys and gals they're out there, they're not messing around 668 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,360 for they're fifty million dollars an hour. They're docsing people 669 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:24,239 doing whatever the hell they want. The other potential witness 670 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,199 was an eighty one year old man who lives in 671 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,840 the UK and owns a pub across the street from 672 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,480 Maxwell's London town home. Per the defense, his testimony would 673 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,280 have helped prove the allegations by one of the accusers 674 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,719 Kate could not have taken place when she says they did. 675 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:40,960 So we got an eighty one year old man that 676 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,119 they want to bring up and they're talking about memory. 677 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,280 Are they Are they for real? This is what all 678 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,880 this money gets you. This is what Christian Everdell, mister prosecutor, 679 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,719 big shot from Harvard, hanging out over there with all 680 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,440 of his buddies from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. 681 00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,119 Christian Everdell, this is what ad buys you. An eighty 682 00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:04,880 one year old pub owner is what your defense hinges on. 683 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:12,639 I'm my own. Nathan also expressed concern about the pandemic 684 00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,599 and indicated she was inclined to compel the defense to 685 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,880 rest its case Friday, according to our policy that parties 686 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440 have a witness ready to testify or arrest their case. Well, 687 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,760 you know what, not for nothing, Judge Nathan. But if 688 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,159 you were so concerned about the pandemic, you would have 689 00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,320 had phone lines for us to listen in on. Less 690 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,519 people showing up, less people around, less chance to catch 691 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:36,440 the crud. But nah, why have transparency right? No need 692 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,719 for transparency when you're running your courtroom like a mini fifetom. 693 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,960 Defense attorneys argued with the judge and prosecutors, with defense 694 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,280 attorney Laura Meninger stating, our client's life is on the line, 695 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,280 you know what. To be honest with you, I kind 696 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,960 of agree with that this shouldn't be a rushed process. 697 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,719 I don't want to leave any kind of weird legalese, 698 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,920 loopholes or danglies for Lane Maxwell, you know, wiggle off here. 699 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,159 I don't want any of that bs to happen. And 700 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,199 it happens more than you would think when it comes 701 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,119 to prosecutorial misconduct and screwery in the courtroom, all kinds 702 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,400 of nonsense. I don't want any of that to happen. 703 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,039 Prosecutors felt the defense at ample time to sort out 704 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,679 logistical issues. We strongly disagree with the suggestion that the 705 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,719 defense council has been unduly rushed here, prosecutor Maureen Comy, 706 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,480 said Defense attorney Bobby Stern. I'm previously expressed concerns about 707 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,440 the timing of closing arguments and potentially charging the jury 708 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,400 to deliberate with limited time before the holiday break. Yeah, 709 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,440 I kind of agree with that too. It's kind of rough. 710 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,559 I know that, Uh, as a juror, I'd be wanting 711 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,239 to get to my Christmas celebrations. For me, Christmas begins 712 00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,719 way early in my family. You know, we have family 713 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,920 coming in early three weeks before the holiday, so you know, 714 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,239 it's a whole month ordeal for me. And I definitely 715 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,719 would be bummed if I had to sit on some 716 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,639 jury for it, no doubt about it. But that's the 717 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,039 way it ended up, and that's the way the cookie crumbled. 718 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,880 Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, right. Really, 719 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,840 what it comes down to is like eighty percent of 720 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,800 the time we do what we have to do, and 721 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,880 only twenty percent of the time we get to do 722 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:26,039 what we want to do. Christmas this year is particularly celebratory, 723 00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,440 she said, since people were not able to do that 724 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,320 last year. Our concern is that the jury might feel 725 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,480 we don't want to come back and rush to judgment. Ultimately, 726 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,039 on Friday, the defense opted to withdraw its request for 727 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,760 an arrest warrant for the witness who did not respond 728 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,920 to the subpoena. The parties also agreed to a stipulation 729 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,559 about Maxwell's property ownership in London in the nineties, so 730 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:51,119 the defense opted not to continue the push for testimony 731 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,280 from the pub owner. So that's what happened today in 732 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,960 the courtroom, folks, And you really we didn't miss much 733 00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,559 when it comes to the transcripts. If you were following 734 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,840 along as it was happening today. There were so many 735 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,159 lulls and breaks and boring pauses that it almost felt 736 00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,880 like I was watching some kind of procedural And it 737 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,920 was just one of those kind of days for the 738 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480 defense that you want to put on the back burner 739 00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,880 and forget about. Because they had witnesses that didn't want 740 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,280 to show up, witnesses that weren't allowed to testify because 741 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,280 of logistics, and when you add it all up and 742 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,840 you look at it from an overall perspective, it certainly 743 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,320 looks to me that we're going to get some guilty 744 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,280 convictions coming back. Now, I don't know exactly which charges 745 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,679 she'll be guilty on or not guilty on. I'm just 746 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,159 giving you my gut feeling here, and from what I 747 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,199 have seen from the prosecution, from the defense, and watching 748 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,000 it every single day for basically the last three years, 749 00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,559 it certainly seems to me that there is enough here 750 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:03,760 for a conviction and that the jury will feel the 751 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,880 same way. Now, obviously we'll have to see what's going on, 752 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:11,480 and tomorrow they're gonna be in the courtroom for uh 753 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,280 some more proceedings to get ready for Monday, and obviously 754 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,920 I'll be taking a look at that as well, and 755 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,719 we'll do an update on that tomorrow night. But tomorrow 756 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,039 morning we'll be back with the same old morning updates 757 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:26,360 and we'll keep it rocking and rolling until this is 758 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,440 all finished out. But it was a an end with 759 00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,800 a whimper here, folks. You know, like usually you go 760 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,639 to the fireworks show and then you have the grand finale. 761 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:42,079 There was no grand finale for Glenn Maxwell. In fact, 762 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,079 it was more like the Grand Fizzle. If you'd like 763 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,519 to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Capuci 764 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,519 at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b b Y c 765 00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,519 ap you C c I at ProtonMail dot com. You 766 00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,360 can also find me on Twitter at bo O b 767 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,760 B Y underscore c A p U C c I. 768 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,639 The link that we discussed tonight can be found in 769 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,920 the description box. All right, folks, enjoy your Friday and 770 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,119 I will talk to you all in the morning.