WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.600 For him to be at the top of the list 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:04.719 production wise, even after missing a chunk of his junior years, 3 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:07.280 is really darn impressive. Didn't even do a lot his 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.199 freshman year, so you know, he had two kind of 5 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:15.320 monster seasons from a production standpoint. Again, it may not 6 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:19.120 be one had that one superpower, may not be truly 7 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.480 special in any one way. But I think as far 8 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.719 as weaknesses goes, he may have the fewest questions among 9 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:28.440 the top four or five receivers. So if you told 10 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:30.120 me he was gonna end up being a late first 11 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.119 round pick and would not shock me at all. Maybe 12 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:36.200 twenties to forties overall, I think is where he's gonna go, 13 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:40.759 and slot could be possible outside part time, very very 14 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:43.439 quarterback friendly receiver, I would say. 15 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.359 This is the Leravie Lapeye Podcast, a production of iHeartRadio 16 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.520 Podcasts with host Swayn Lerevie, the voice of the Green 17 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.960 Bay Packers, and Matt Lapey, the voice of Wisconsin Badgers 18 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:02.560 football and men's basketball. The Laravila Pay podcast is presented 19 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:08.560 by youw Credit Union. Here for every U. 20 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.480 Hi, everybody, I'm Wayne Laravy and I'm Matt Lapey. On 21 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.480 this episode of the Lara Vila Pay Podcast. The NFL 22 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.879 Draft is upon us a little over a week and 23 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.920 we take this podcast just a well little more than 24 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:21.959 a week from the start of the NFL Draft, a 25 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.840 week from Thursday night in Green Bay. Our guest is 26 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:29.079 Eric at Home of NFL Network. Also a historic day 27 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:35.560 at the Masters on Sunday, Rory McElroy finally completed the 28 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.280 career Grand Slam, something there was more than a decade 29 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.959 in the making. Stay tuned, We've got good stuff coming 30 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.439 up on the Lara Vila Pay Podcast. Ready to give 31 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:50.000 fees the stiff arm. UW Credit Union can help because 32 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.599 since nineteen thirty one they've been committed to eliminating fees 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:58.799 for members joined today at UWCU dot org, ensured by 34 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.640 NCUA terms and conditions apply. You were listening to the 35 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.680 Larvie and the Pay podcast and we welcome into the podcast, 36 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.159 Eric at Home, Draft Analyst of the NFL Network. Eric's 37 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.719 been covering the NFL for more than a couple of decades, 38 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.520 first a Pro Football Weekly, where I became acquainted with him, 39 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.960 and then Sporting News and Yahoo Sports. Born and raised, 40 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.240 I didn't realize you were from Boston, Massachusetts. Eric here, 41 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.560 you don't have that deep New England accent anymore. You 42 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.400 did it to me, I'll break it out if. 43 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:30.800 I have to. 44 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.560 You know, I know it's not my natural voice, as 45 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:37.599 you'll come to figure out. Yeah, my folks are Midwest people. 46 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.080 I've settled here, so maybe that's where it comes from. 47 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.000 Uh for sure, gotcha. 48 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.639 You know I've mentioned we cooked up Pro Football Weekly. 49 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.280 Mad You'll recall we used to do a program called 50 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.719 hob Archistra and I. We would anchor this thing each 51 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.879 week during the football season, sure called Pro Football Weekly 52 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.560 on the air, and it was syndicated all across the country. 53 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.120 And Eric was a major contributor, being on the Pro 54 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:04.199 Football Weekly staff at a segment we called the Way 55 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.039 We Hear It, And you know, you did a lot 56 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.280 of that, and what was interesting, Eric one time we 57 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.000 were at one point, this had to be back maybe 58 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.800 the late eighties, and the Packers radio network was being 59 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.960 run by WTMJ at the time, and they used Pro 60 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.120 Football Weekly on the air as part of the Packers 61 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.360 pregame show. Hostle This went on for like a season, 62 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.560 maybe two seasons, and then somebody, this is long before 63 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.919 social media and everything, somebody let the bosses at WTMJ 64 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.639 know that Hob and I are broadcasting the Bears and 65 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.400 we're on a Packers pre kape. What's going on. 66 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.280 Yeah, I'm sure I didn't go over too well. 67 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.080 That didn't go over very well. 68 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:49.039 That's great. 69 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.039 Oh my, hey, tell us about what you're doing now 70 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.120 and how you got to Pro NFL Network. 71 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.319 Yeah, yeah, No, A couple of years ago I got 72 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.080 offered the job to sort of be there one of 73 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.319 their draft analysts, and I've kind of split my time 74 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.439 up Wayne during the season. Yes, I do pay attention 75 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.400 to the college prospects and college football in general, but 76 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.719 I also do the power rankings for NFL dot Com, 77 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.439 and so it's kind. 78 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.600 Of a fifty to fifty split. 79 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.519 I guess I spend about half the year doing kind 80 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.240 of NFL stuff, if you will, and then the other half, 81 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.720 maybe you know, December through May, focused on drafts. So 82 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.120 it's good it kind of splits my year and half. 83 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:32.879 I have something to kind of look forward to at 84 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.959 the end of the season, and I enjoy kind of 85 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.959 dividing my time like that, and it's it's been a 86 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:38.839 fun few years. 87 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.720 I'm just scrolling through your your latest mock draft from 88 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:45.519 I don't know if that was from a week. 89 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:47.519 We could go a couple of weeks maybe, Yeah. 90 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:52.600 Yeah, really general question though, how would you describe the 91 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.160 talent this year coming into the draft? There's always an 92 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.120 Avian flowed on matter. Yeah, or where would you place 93 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:00.000 this year's class? 94 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.399 Yeah, it's a really interesting class. I mean, I every 95 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.319 year has its own fingerprint, its own DNA, right, And 96 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:08.600 I think we, you know, try our best to kind 97 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:10.720 of look at it on a micro level, but you 98 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:12.560 have to look at it on a macro two and 99 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:14.839 kind of draw back a little bit. And I think 100 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.040 the biggest takeaway, big picture, there's some really strong positions. 101 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.319 I would say defensive line and I would include edge 102 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.360 rusher's A and interior guys in that discussion. Is really 103 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.160 strong running backs. This could be a terrific year for 104 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.399 the backfield, and we've seen obviously a little bit of 105 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:31.680 a resurgence in the run. 106 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:32.399 Game in the NFL. 107 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.319 Tight end is an unusually strong group. I think there's 108 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.040 going to be four or five of these guys who 109 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:39.879 end up being, you know, in the discussion for the 110 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.120 top ten tight ends, if you will, at the league 111 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.560 at some point. It's just kind of a slower developing position. 112 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.879 But outside of those positions, and it's not to besmirch 113 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.319 the entire class or anything, there's just a lack of 114 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.600 blue chip talent, I think, And it's it's a little 115 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:56.319 wild to be saying that the year where we have 116 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.519 a true two way player in Travis Hunter, one of 117 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.079 them were on you usual draft prospects in recent memory. 118 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.560 Abdul Carter could end up being a you know, a 119 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.240 Micah Parsons level type of rusher. You know, we could 120 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.519 have a quarterback go number one in cam Ward. But 121 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.759 even with those things, I would say that this year's 122 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.480 top twelve fifteen picks or so maybe don't stack up 123 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.639 dollar for dollar the way they would against a typical year. Now, 124 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.920 there may be more depth in certain spots, and I 125 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.680 think Day two will be pretty productive, especially those positions 126 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.399 I mentioned, But big picture, it's not one of those 127 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:37.759 classes that's just teaming with blue chip type talent. 128 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:38.920 I would say at the top. 129 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.079 You know, when quarterbacks always are the lead story in 130 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.120 an NFL draft. You mentioned cam Ward is going to 131 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.920 be probably the number one pick from all educations. Tennessee 132 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:53.120 will take him number one. But the most polarizing figure 133 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.199 in this draft is Shadura Sanders, the quarterback out of 134 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:02.639 Colorado Dion Sun. Some people have him going number two 135 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.199 right away to what Cleveland, and others have him dropping 136 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.480 all the way maybe to Pittsburgh at twenty one or 137 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.639 so in the draft. Where do you see this prospect? 138 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.000 I would love to find out what people's neutral takes 139 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.279 would be on Sanders if his last name was Jones 140 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.600 or Thompson or or Williams or whatever. I mean, the 141 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.480 point being, obviously, I think there is a little bit 142 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.319 of bias, and in some cases a negative bias, because 143 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.519 he is Deon Sanderson. I don't look at it necessarily 144 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.519 that way. First of all, I mean, you know, you 145 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.480 have a championship DNA in your blood. That's probably a positive. 146 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.040 The funny thing is, though Sanders to me, doesn't have 147 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:47.480 Dad's DNA. When it comes to a rare generational athletic talent, 148 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.839 I think he's from a physical tool standpoint, pretty average. 149 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.040 I mean that's really you know, you look at his 150 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.199 arm strength, it's fine, it's doable. You look at his athleticism, 151 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.120 I would say it's okay. He can buy time. I 152 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.920 mean he can convert first downs and kind of an 153 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.120 opportunistic runner, but you know, he's not blessed with these 154 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.120 amazing gifts in a lot of ways. And yet when 155 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:14.240 you really watch his tape, accuracy, toughness, I think, smarts. 156 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.639 You know, he's kind of felt out the game a 157 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:20.319 little bit and and learned what he can and can't do. 158 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.040 I think he's a really good rhythm passer for the 159 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.040 most part. But how far will that take him? I mean, 160 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.680 that's really the big question is is there a high 161 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.639 ceiling on him? I don't think so. I wouldn't say, 162 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:37.080 you know, taking too many sacks, kind of recognizing blitzes 163 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:38.960 and things like that have been a little bit thorny 164 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.039 for him. I wish he threw with a little more anticipation, 165 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.240 even though he is a pretty accurate thrower for the 166 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.799 most part. But yeah, I mean I would say he 167 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.360 grades out like a second round pick if we're being 168 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.080 honest with ourselves. Now, that doesn't mean he can't be successful. 169 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.919 It just he lacks those kind of Caleb Williams, Drake May, 170 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.559 Jaden Daniels type of tools that typically go in that 171 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:01.559 top five range. 172 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:02.720 So we'll see. 173 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:04.759 I mean, I you know, I think there are about 174 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.559 four or five teams that make a lot of sense 175 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.679 for Shaud Ear and for me, going in the top 176 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.879 five just doesn't feel all that likely. Keep an eye 177 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:16.559 on the Sands style. I mean, now all of a sudden, 178 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.159 this Derek Carr stuff, maybe he's in play at number nine. 179 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:22.200 So you never know. With quarterbacks, they are always bumped 180 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.159 up the charts pretty high because of the positional value. 181 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:28.559 It seems like Eric, depending on the platform or the 182 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.320 week that we're looking at it, Shador Sanders, Jackson Dark 183 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.440 there are some who seem to think that he could 184 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.799 be the number two quarterback. Yeah, where do you see 185 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.840 his ceiling? Is it a higher one than shaudor Sanders? 186 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:43.399 I would say so. 187 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.639 Now that doesn't mean that that his floor isn't necessarily 188 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.000 lower or there isn't you know, plenty of work to 189 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:50.840 be done. I mean, obviously, I would say the last 190 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.759 three years is starting at USC kind of helped, you know, 191 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.399 reinvigorate the five star prospect that was, you know, once 192 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.279 considered one of the two were three best quarterbacks in 193 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.240 his high school class, you know, won the job at 194 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.159 USC transfer. But I would say it really wasn't until 195 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.120 probably his second year with Lane Kiffin at Old missed 196 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.440 that things really started to develop with him. But you know, 197 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.879 he's a smart kid. He won the academic heisman he 198 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.240 got I think he was getting three eights in the 199 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.519 in the classroom. He's a good athlete. He's a little 200 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.360 bit better built, thicker build than guy like Sanders, a 201 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.279 little taller, a little more built to withstand some some 202 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.840 damage over the long term. Athletically, maybe just a little 203 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.159 bit better, I would say, throws with nice touch and 204 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.320 can maybe have a little bit more juice in his arm. 205 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:45.759 But you know, there's there's still a lot of suspicion 206 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.639 with him in some circles where how much did Lane 207 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.000 Kiffin's brilliant offense kind of make this a one read 208 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.320 quarterback in a lot of ways, and how many of 209 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.240 those verse reads were open? There was a lot of it. 210 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.360 So when you're really drilling down the number of plays 211 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.080 that you can truly evaluate and say, okay, here's where 212 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.320 I see special, you know, even on seventy yard touchdown 213 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.039 passes may not be that often. So there's a little 214 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.159 bit of projection with him. I think he's had a 215 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.039 little bit of an injury history more in the past, but. 216 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.279 It wouldn't totally stun. 217 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.320 Me if you if you saw a team pull the 218 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.200 trigger on Dark before Sanders, I could also see him 219 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.960 being the third quarterback. I think all three guys will 220 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.720 probably end up going somewhere in the top forty, So 221 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.440 you know, if not round one, then the first handful 222 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.440 of picks of round two. And I would even say 223 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.399 keep an eye on Jalen Milroe. You know, he's sort 224 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.600 of the wild card. He's been reportedly invited to Green 225 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.519 Bay for the draft, and that kind of tells you 226 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.519 that the NFL maybe a little higher on him than 227 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:45.879 some people like me are. 228 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.600 Yeah, Melroe ran a great forty at his pro day. 229 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.600 I believe just at four or four or just under 230 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.879 for a forty yard dash quarterback. That's that as eye opening. 231 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.000 And oh yeah, something that got have noticed these quarterbacks. 232 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:04.360 To kind of wrap up this part of it, any 233 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.799 of these guys go in the top six if they 234 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.000 were in last year's draft in the time, that's a 235 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:10.600 great question. 236 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:16.519 Yeah, if you were to stack them up against you know, Williams, Daniels, 237 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.200 May and then kind of the second trio of Pennix, 238 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.279 McCarthy and Nix, I think we'd be debating them more 239 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.279 on the second trio, you know, in that group than 240 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.000 we would the first not to say that Cam Word 241 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.159 doesn't have an intriguing skill set. He's probably you know, 242 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.799 more athletically and more our talent wise blessed than the 243 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.559 other guys are. There's still some stuff that has to 244 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.399 be cleaned up in his game. But other than Ward, 245 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.519 I can't see anybody even really being in the discussion. 246 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.519 I would put them again more in that if they 247 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.919 were in last year's class. Let's say, if everybody was 248 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.200 loved together, they'd be more in that quarterback five six 249 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.559 seven debate than they would be try to push into 250 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:02.399 that top three. 251 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.799 We went off of that position. A couple of minutes ago. 252 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.120 You mentioned Travis Hunter, who it sounds like he is 253 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.039 oud of it about being introduced as a two way player, 254 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.720 a dB and a wide receiver made for both of 255 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.679 you guys. How realistic is that? Could he do that 256 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:17.799 in the NFL? Or he's going to have to be 257 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.840 ninety eight percent one side of the ball and the other. 258 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.279 Yeah, boy, it's such a great debate. 259 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.200 I mean, Dion has done a few interviews now where 260 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.279 he's saying, you know, like college is all about tempo 261 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.919 and all this stuff. The NFL, there's more breaks and things, 262 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.840 and there's more time between plays for rest, and you know, 263 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.840 like in theory, it should be easier in the NFL. 264 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.120 I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. I 265 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:44.440 understand is thinking. I understand the rationale, but you're also 266 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.519 going up against superior athletes and it just doesn't know, 267 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.519 feel like it's reasonable to ask a player to play 268 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:55.080 one hundred plus snaps per game. I mean, really, you know, 269 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.720 a short game, we're playing sixty snaps on each side 270 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:01.600 of the ball, plus another, you know something on special teams. 271 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:06.039 So boy, playing two thirds of an NFL game, you know, 272 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.200 or three quarters of an NFL game without break feels 273 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.639 like a lot to me. And what's fascinating to me 274 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.519 too is also the debate amongst evaluators over which position 275 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.120 should sort of be his primary one. Every team's going 276 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.840 to have a different plan. We'll play them at receiver, 277 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.200 then we'll use them at corner, and you know, if 278 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.480 third downs, red zone, blah blah blah, fourth quarter or whatever. 279 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.200 The opposite is also true. Some teams say it's. 280 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.639 Harder to find that number one corner. Let's make him 281 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.360 that and then let's give him a package of plays 282 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.960 on offense, you know, fifteen eighteen, twenty plays, whatever it 283 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.919 may be. So everybody has a different view of it. 284 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:43.639 I will say that what I took away from the 285 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.519 pro day with Hunter running routes, catching passes but not 286 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.039 doing the dB drills, it was clear that, you know, 287 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.240 to me, it felt like he was saying, I'd love 288 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.480 to do both, but if I can only do one, 289 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.879 I want to make sure I catch passes. So take 290 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.080 that for what it's worth. That's my impression of it, 291 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.360 and I'll be curious to see what what the NFL thinks. 292 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.600 He's probably going to be the second pick to the 293 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.320 to the Browns, and I think their biggest need is 294 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.960 on offense. But you know, well, we'll see where he 295 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.679 ends up. It's gonna be a fascinating debate. He's also 296 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.720 one hundred and eighty five pounds. I mean that that 297 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:16.320 that matters. 298 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.639 You know. That's kind of light on Wisconsin off fees, 299 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.720 get feed, free, checking options and more at uw Credit Union, 300 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:29.279 Join at UWCU dot org. Terms and conditions apply ensured 301 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.840 by ncu A. Speaking of over to our receivers, I've 302 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.080 noticed in the mock draft It's going to catch the 303 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:40.000 attention of every Packer fan, yeah, or Eddie Packer observer, 304 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.960 because you you project them as potentially breaking a trend 305 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.000 and drafting one in the first round, the kid out 306 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.279 of Texas, Matthew gold and tell us about him because 307 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.000 he runs really well, right, a sub four three forty. 308 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:53.559 Yeah. 309 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.720 I realize what projecting a receiver in round one to 310 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.879 the Packers does for people around there. It either irritates 311 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:02.600 the really excites them, right because of the long drought. 312 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.120 But this is such an interesting year receiver. I don't 313 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.679 think it has the depth. We've been so blessed with 314 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.480 receiver greatness the last I would say ten years or 315 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.639 so in the draft, and maybe eight of those ten 316 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.559 years we had banner classes at the position, either in 317 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.720 terms of depth or high end talent or a mixture 318 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.679 of both. This year I'm not quite there. I mean, 319 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:25.799 we have a couple of first round prospects and then 320 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.440 a couple of borderline guys. I would say Ted McMillan 321 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.279 from Arizona. I know that, you know, Brian Gudokun was 322 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.679 out there for his workout. Other people were as well, 323 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.480 and then Matthew Golden from Texas and you know, Golden's 324 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.840 required a little bit of a you know, I think 325 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.759 people have come around on him in the sense that 326 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.600 he didn't start the years the longhorns number one receiver. 327 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.639 He didn't really you know, he was a deep threat 328 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.919 at Houston before he got there, but still didn't really 329 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:55.519 kind of solidify himself as a go to target. And 330 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:58.240 I would say until the second half of last season. Now, 331 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.480 that doesn't mean he can't be great. You run a 332 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.799 four two nine and you catch the ball with as 333 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:06.400 much consistency as he does, and I think you're starting 334 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.920 in a really good place. So not the biggest guy, 335 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.759 he would also probably buck some trends from a size standpoint. 336 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.839 I know Jayden Reid obviously wasn't exactly that either. But 337 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.920 you know, the closest thing if you're worried about Christian 338 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.559 Watson's health long term or his development, whatever you want 339 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.079 to say that this is probably the closest thing in 340 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:28.559 this draft to that. I understand. The lack of length 341 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.680 is going to have people say, well, he's not the 342 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:34.079 same player. He's not, but he can stretch the field. 343 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.680 He really doesn't play small. I think that's one of 344 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.079 the best things about him. And the other cool thing 345 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.640 is that I fail able to feel like he's a 346 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.559 hidden gem because Texas didn't really exploit that speed as 347 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.079 much as they probably could have quarterback issues, you know, 348 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.640 offensive design whatever, you know. When they did throw it 349 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.359 to him deep, he usually caught it and made a 350 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.240 big play, but they didn't do it very often. I 351 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:58.440 think an NFL team will, we'll try to use that 352 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.359 more often than Texas did. 353 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.279 Eric, Just to get back to what you were saying, 354 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.240 you know, on Travis Hutter. The thing about I would 355 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.319 worry about in playing two ways in the NFL is 356 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:12.839 the preparation during this Oh yeah, I mean you don't 357 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.759 have enough hours to prepare as a wide receiver and 358 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.839 as a cornerback. But you know, can you do a 359 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.839 little bit of both. Yeah, you could probably settle on 360 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.680 one position and then be a guy they bring in 361 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.680 on occasion on offense. The other factor the teams that 362 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.559 I'm hearing is that, well, if you're going to pick 363 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.559 him that high in the draft, you want him to 364 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.799 affect the game the ball in his hands, Where is 365 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.240 that going to happen more. It's going to happen more 366 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.720 on offense where you can actually throw him the ball 367 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.720 rather than relying on him to make an interception or 368 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:46.920 something like that. On defense. The other thing on these receivers, 369 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.319 Matthew Golden, Yes, the rare speed four two nine in 370 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.759 the forties. What he ran, he's a little bit undersize. 371 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.079 The Packers like their receivers a little taller. Golden's around 372 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.480 what five ten five eleven, right around five to eleven. 373 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.960 But Ted McMillan, Ted de Roa McMillan, the kid out 374 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.519 of Arizona, Goudokuns was the only general manager at his 375 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.799 private workout. This is a guy six y four in 376 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.599 an eighth. Not the speed that the Christian Watson brings 377 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.599 or that Matt Golden brings, but again, very productive and 378 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.519 tall receiver, and he has enough speed, I mean four 379 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:28.319 four eight that's not bad. But he's six' four two. 380 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.640 Nineteen that's AN Nfc north outdoors. 381 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:36.200 Receiver, yeah absolutely that from a body type, standpoint he 382 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.440 absolutely fits more of what The packers have sought under 383 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.000 this regime and even under prior ones for that. Matter but, 384 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.559 YEAH i mean we're talking about a guy who you, 385 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.119 know looks like a volleyball player out, there and so 386 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.759 the comparisons To Drake, London who's who's carved out a 387 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.000 nice little careers for at few years In, ATLANTA i 388 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.599 think are pretty. APT i think that's a pretty good 389 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.119 comp for him in terms of what you're. Expecting fifty 390 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.400 to fifty balls go up and get. It really has nice, 391 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.039 extension great body, control good along the. Sidelines you, know 392 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.720 you can go back and watch some pretty good tape 393 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:14.160 against him the prior season Against Travis hunter and got 394 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.599 the best of them a couple of. TIMES i was impressive. 395 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.240 STUFF i, mean he's at that. Size you don't need to. 396 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.039 Be a low four fours or high four three. 397 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.400 Guy if you, are if You're Calvin, johnson god bless, 398 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.400 you you're a. Unicorn but for his, SIZE i, Mean 399 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:31.119 Mike evans has made a career out of running four 400 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.240 fives and four six's and then pretty well for. Himself 401 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.160