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Speaker 1: And he is Kenneth Barry Freshly thirty three. Damn, that's right.
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Speaker 1: For people who are Christian, you know, thirty three is
Speaker 1: like a super serious number because it has to do
Speaker 1: with Christ and all that. And also like my older
Speaker 1: sister was like, damn, you were older is Jesus? When
Speaker 1: he died, I was like, that's not funny. And of
Speaker 1: course we laughed hysterically because it's like when we were kids.
Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, when you're thirty three, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be this, and when I'm thirty whatever, you're going to
Speaker 1: be that.
Speaker 2: And now we're all here and I'm just like flies,
Speaker 2: thankful to be here. Though. Yeah, man, so NFL, come
Speaker 2: on your initial thoughts takeaways.
Speaker 1: Ironically, I think none of the corners ran below four
Speaker 1: to six this year. What Nope, just a couple of safeties,
Speaker 1: but like none of them. All the corners ran like
Speaker 1: sob four four four three ran a four to two.
Speaker 1: This is incredibly fast skilled group. The receivers, Matthew Golden,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody saw him running the four two nine.
Speaker 1: You might be a top ten pick now some running backs.
Speaker 1: All the running backs ran great forties, Donovan Edwards being one.
Speaker 1: Raheem Sanders said he I figured hed run four four
Speaker 1: What do you mean there's a bunch of corners that
Speaker 1: ran and so forth? For no, I'm saying none of
Speaker 1: them ran a four to six. Oh like no corner
Speaker 1: at the I don't know they A lot of them
Speaker 1: ran sub four fours, sub four threes, sub four fives.
Speaker 1: Very fast athletic group this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of the case collectively. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have offensive linemen running four nine s five one.
Speaker 2: You had d lineman running fastest ship too, four four
Speaker 2: sevens four five six. I mean if you look at
Speaker 2: the edge, there's only one player ran over four eight.
Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy. Yep.
Speaker 1: And yeah, people really sleep on how athletic off of
Speaker 1: the linemen are. Like the North Dakota State off the
Speaker 1: tackle had a thirty six and a half vertical. They're
Speaker 1: receivers and dbs who don't have that.
Speaker 2: I mean, like even of that.
Speaker 1: I got thirty didn't have vertical means you can dunk
Speaker 1: on an NBA court. I don't think people understand that concept.
Speaker 1: Three hundred pounds men running five one forties with elite
Speaker 1: vertical leaping ability and quick twitch, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize how athletic these offensive linemen.
Speaker 2: Are at every level. Look what I mean, Middle State.
Speaker 1: Dude, even like the d tackles, I mean like four eights.
Speaker 1: The slowest time is really like a five too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Guard's only two people that were in Lott Short
Speaker 1: ran slower than the five too. Yeah, that's the slowest
Speaker 1: tackle man, like a five to four. And a lot
Speaker 1: of guys Florida Center, oh, a lot of Carolina Center.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then a lot of guys just didn't
Speaker 1: run you and Travis Hunter wasn't going to perform. People
Speaker 1: kind of crap it on your door, Sanders.
Speaker 2: Which.
Speaker 1: Draft time exposes a lot of race, like draft.
Speaker 2: Tar Cooking, Tyler Show both and four.
Speaker 1: Six, Seth Hanan for seven six all three. I didn't
Speaker 1: even think he was that fast, But that's cool. Brady
Speaker 1: Cook's a good development for I feel like all three
Speaker 1: of those guys are good development, great money, like six
Speaker 1: seventh round picks that you know might be able to
Speaker 1: develop into something. And then you also, who was the
Speaker 1: second guy on Shall Yeah, yeah, he might earn his
Speaker 1: way as like a backup.
Speaker 2: They say the Raiders fucking love him.
Speaker 1: Han Seth Hannigan too, all time quarterback and touchdown thrower
Speaker 1: in mephis history, only QB who actually stayed all four years.
Speaker 1: Really in like the past seven years, he's like the
Speaker 1: only one. Everybody else transferred or came from those school.
Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy, yeah, I mean overall.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you were talking to me about
Speaker 1: it during the week, but I mean the running back
Speaker 1: class is pretty crazy itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, just look at all.
Speaker 1: The guys who ran four fours check run back running
Speaker 1: four three two. There's at least ten guys who.
Speaker 2: Ran four fours. Fifteen that ran four fours.
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the deepest running back classes ever.
Speaker 1: Two from Virginia Tech. He looked really good at all
Speaker 1: Senior bo week. He was really physical.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to run a four three two though, Like,
Speaker 2: that's pretty good for him. Strot Smith four three nine,
Speaker 2: it's a good time for him. R J. Harvey for
Speaker 2: four that's a great time for him as well.
Speaker 1: Two hundred pounds former quarterback five nine.
Speaker 2: And he's fucking solid, like rock solid. He's not a dude.
Speaker 2: Do you want to run into junkins running four to
Speaker 2: four eight?
Speaker 1: Henderson ran a four four three, don if it ever
Speaker 1: running four four five saying four four four, oh damn,
Speaker 1: which is crazy because he's already like a game speed guy.
Speaker 1: But he got speed speed. Yeah, home run Threat speed
Speaker 1: Marshall Lenz speed.
Speaker 2: Etn with the four to four to two, I guess, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he can't beat his brother at a forty, but
Speaker 1: he's still really fast and the receivers. DeAndre Thornton ran
Speaker 1: a four to three flat at six four two hundred
Speaker 1: and five pounds, Yes, and he led the country to
Speaker 1: twenty five yards to catch twenty five point four. So
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, check that box off. Golden could have
Speaker 1: had a better combine. Isaiah Bond said he was gonna
Speaker 1: break the record and only ran a four to four
Speaker 1: to one, But it's like a four to four one
Speaker 1: is like elite speed. Like if you run a four
Speaker 1: to four, you're already in the top five percent of
Speaker 1: fastest people on earth, So none of the lab it's
Speaker 1: nothing to sneeze at. But it's just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he needed to say that, so he for solidified
Speaker 1: running a four to four, which is nothing wrong with that, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, him and Jayde Blue said they were gonna
Speaker 1: run four was Jayson Blue ran a four three eight.
Speaker 1: Texas running back John A. Barron ran a four three nine.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be a top ten pick at corner
Speaker 1: for sure. He didn't give up any touchdowns this year
Speaker 1: he had. He gave up like thirty seven receptions for
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty four yards. That's insane. One of
Speaker 1: the greatest seasons ever for a Texas dB.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Shout out to uh Kyle Williams
Speaker 2: La Area grab for four. Jayden Higgins was a guy
Speaker 2: people really liked at the Senior Bowl. He put in
Speaker 2: a four four to seven, came midrano at a four
Speaker 2: four to six A linebacker Johnie Campbell, the Alabama linebacker
Speaker 2: ran a four to five to two. He can go
Speaker 2: anywhere from top ten to top fifteen. Terrence Fergus him
Speaker 2: put in the four sixty three. His gauntlet drill was
Speaker 2: fucking cheeks, though I don't know what happened there. But
Speaker 2: he's also kind of a clutch gamer kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Did you talk about seventy year ran four nine five
Speaker 2: Who Arizona tackle?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Junior in the four nine and five, which
Speaker 1: was actually kind of surprising because he's big as fuck.
Speaker 1: He's a I mean, honestly, the bazoom tackle in a
Speaker 1: four nine one. Yes, he got compared to like Jason Peters.
Speaker 1: He measured in a legit six four like three thirty,
Speaker 1: so he might not have to bump down the guard.
Speaker 1: He might just beat the number one right tackle, Kevin
Speaker 1: Banks turning five one.
Speaker 2: Honestly, some people say Kevin.
Speaker 1: Banks put in the five flat basically, Yeah, Kile Rodgers
Speaker 1: the five women who also played guarden tackle, He's really
Speaker 1: a guard, but he played right tackle this year. Chafers
Speaker 1: for I see Jalo Smith ran.
Speaker 2: A four four five?
Speaker 1: Uh what he marks? I think ranted in the four
Speaker 1: fives four six from Schamar Stewart's too great time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, four five nine, Yeah, I gotta give him his
Speaker 2: four or five nine respect. Yeah, and dressers don't like
Speaker 2: when you round up. Nobody likes her forty time round up.
Speaker 2: That's one of the one things you never round out
Speaker 2: round up on someone. Kyle Knard four seven three. I'm
Speaker 2: amad hasseini those Florida seven seven that's a good time
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like three Florida receivers ran excellent times. Wid receiver
Speaker 1: ran like a four three four Another round like a
Speaker 1: four four six, So Florida sure had a lot of speed.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. Hat pearce all last year and
Speaker 1: then these two guys this year just burners. Damn, I
Speaker 1: was not expecting Madrona though four four six. I told him,
Speaker 1: you did tell me he didn't look that fast though,
Speaker 1: A right man. Honestly, Jeffrey BOSSI look faster than that.
Speaker 1: When are you that fast?
Speaker 2: You look at for this fast dudes who are know
Speaker 2: they're fast. I can get there.
Speaker 1: I can make up the extra half a second where
Speaker 1: it's like Bossert or four six three, So he has
Speaker 1: to be instinctive.
Speaker 2: And go now. But he looks faster than that, just
Speaker 2: not so that might actually hurt him. Tess Johnson around
Speaker 2: four or five one might that's probably gonna hurt him too.
Speaker 1: We have big hands, but he also weighed one fifty four,
Speaker 1: so it's like, get some of the best. He has
Speaker 1: a pretty good terms, but also some of the worst
Speaker 1: for a dude who's only one hundred and fifty four pounds.
Speaker 2: Who else Jayalen Smith put up at four four or five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, set that play corner safety slot cool can really
Speaker 1: do everything. Sorry, nice woo.
Speaker 2: I know you've been talking about it all week, but
Speaker 2: every time I see that those two safety times, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, damn.
Speaker 1: The starks out of Georgia.
Speaker 2: For single and M and worry the South Carolina and
Speaker 2: Safety and Kansas State Safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah one around a four three five and the jack
Speaker 1: compared for.
Speaker 2: Three seven and four three eight are the official times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was at six three two twenty. Great take,
Speaker 1: great workout, Billy Boweman with the four four two.
Speaker 2: That's a good time. I actually called it.
Speaker 1: I was like, as soon as that's all I'm running,
Speaker 1: they said un officially he had a four to four
Speaker 1: six at four four seven, I was like, four four six.
Speaker 1: You can kind of tell in the first ten yards.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, So what does all this shit mean? Basically,
Speaker 2: we're gonna see probably a bunch of running backs in
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, top one, top fucking yeah, top
Speaker 2: one hundred, top three rounds.
Speaker 1: Some quarterbacks get snacked up.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see a lot of dbs and
Speaker 2: d Linman in that time as well, which means some
Speaker 2: receivers are probably gonna slip. I think I think qvs
Speaker 2: might even sleep slip, because I mean, if you look
Speaker 2: at it from the top, I mean, cam Ward is
Speaker 2: basically the number one pick if you believe all the
Speaker 2: sports books. I think Shadeer's odds that going number one
Speaker 2: have basically like gone up six times. Like it was
Speaker 2: like three to one the beginning of the offseason. Now
Speaker 2: it's like twenty four to one or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Bill Carter still might go, but yeah, he could still go.
Speaker 2: The thing about the what the sports books have right
Speaker 2: now is they have cam Ward is the number one
Speaker 2: as a favorite for number one, but they don't have
Speaker 2: the Giants as the favorite to number one overall. So
Speaker 2: basically they're predicting someone's gonna trade up to number one
Speaker 2: and take him Moore and.
Speaker 1: The Giants have Aaron Rodgers on the short list. After
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford trade didn't happen. Shout out to Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford for and his wife for donating all that money
Speaker 1: to Pacady to high school. Yeah it's not getting enough.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of great people out o Pacady,
Speaker 1: No high. Shout out to Christ mc calister, Shout out yeah,
Speaker 1: Arizona legend. Shout out to Steve Keral for donating a
Speaker 1: bunch of money too. It's funny because it trickles back
Speaker 1: to I guess a scene in the office where he
Speaker 1: said if he had money, what would he do?
Speaker 2: He ended up donating Its.
Speaker 1: Like a either Alta Dina or like people affected by
Speaker 1: the ESL fires and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad people are stepping up because PP gets
Speaker 2: old a pr.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, so just overall with the combine, what
Speaker 1: other kind of big the things do you think will.
Speaker 2: Happen as far as draft because of it?
Speaker 1: What Howard destroyed his draft stock because he was terrible?
Speaker 1: But it's like you played seventeen games already tired.
Speaker 2: I mean, just like overall, like big like big things,
Speaker 2: not like specific players, just like.
Speaker 1: Oh, people really hate Shador Sanders because of who his
Speaker 1: father is kind of crazy, like when it's white nepotism,
Speaker 1: it's okay, Like nobody hated Eli as a person coming
Speaker 1: out of college and his dad forcibly.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with what you're saying. I think it's
Speaker 2: also a different time, so it's kind of hard to
Speaker 2: compare changed. I mean, we didn't really know Eli like
Speaker 2: we know Sar, Like there wasn't social media like that. Now,
Speaker 2: there wasn't nil like that. It's just it's a totally
Speaker 2: different time. Like I don't even think it's fair to
Speaker 2: compare that. Well, Like I get the premise that you're saying.
Speaker 1: Dads in his life and he didn't grow up poor,
Speaker 1: so the media can't really spend that. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: looks the poor black kid. Like they can try to
Speaker 1: spend that with cam Ward what you know they're going
Speaker 1: to because every year of the draft that is just
Speaker 1: black trauma porn.
Speaker 2: So like I mean yeah, but also some of it
Speaker 2: is fucking real, like like there's really a lot of
Speaker 2: exceptional stories and like this is a big moment for
Speaker 2: a lot of them, like like getting that ship with
Speaker 2: like Josh Jacobs, Like there's there's a number of great
Speaker 2: stories that have resulted in in you know, this great
Speaker 2: moment at the draft, Like I don't know, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, Like it is over exploited
Speaker 2: and this, you know, but it is also like exceptional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like what a god, what a kid
Speaker 1: likes should you don't have any red flags. He's not
Speaker 1: like Josh Rosen where people are like, oh, he's a
Speaker 1: stuck up rich kill Like nah, it's an unapologetic young
Speaker 1: black man. He got his daddy swagger and he can
Speaker 1: articulate himself. He don't need you to explain his college
Speaker 1: career to him. And people are saying, oh, he's just
Speaker 1: he's that. It's like, man, great quarterbacks, they all have
Speaker 1: an air of cockiness to.
Speaker 2: Be a better comparison.
Speaker 1: But people also did hate Rosen and he did have
Speaker 1: a lot of social media, but they hated him because
Speaker 1: he had a fucking pool and him because he was smart.
Speaker 1: They hated him because he was smart. Honestly, really, that's
Speaker 1: what it came down to me. He wasn't a bad person.
Speaker 1: His teammates all loved him. He just opinionated like brothers.
Speaker 1: But like he wasn't on some racist type ship. He
Speaker 1: was like I understand, like my teammates have tougher lives
Speaker 1: than I did. It's like you go to college to
Speaker 1: understand people and get different perspectives so you realize the
Speaker 1: world isn't just your viewpoint and you're allowed to work
Speaker 1: with people and get outside your comfort zone. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we punish college kids for the same thing
Speaker 1: that we don't hold adults accountable for, which is weird
Speaker 1: to me. That's why it's like kicking in some of
Speaker 1: these kids back. You don't like how they interview, well,
Speaker 1: they've never done that shit before, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what they're asking because we already know these these teams
Speaker 1: asked disrespectful ask questions. So when your mother was a
Speaker 1: sucking dick as a crack horror fig like, we know
Speaker 1: that exists, and we we know it exists not just
Speaker 1: for black players but some white players, but acts some
Speaker 1: real sketchy shit too. So let's not sit up in
Speaker 1: an act like like Warren Tapp said, the combine is
Speaker 1: a place where you go to lose.
Speaker 2: Money, for sure.
Speaker 1: So I just think people are really kicking in your
Speaker 1: doors back and it's like, Okay, where's your journalistic credibility
Speaker 1: and saying this through the bad prospect because literally his
Speaker 1: tape is great in spite of the fact that he's
Speaker 1: been sacked.
Speaker 2: Like one hundred and fifty times. I think my thing
Speaker 2: with this is just like the opportunity was ripe before shoulder.
Speaker 2: I mean, the way he's positioned as like this, you know,
Speaker 2: all time competitor and a guy who just likes to
Speaker 2: compete and win. Like, I don't know, it's just like
Speaker 2: you had an opportunity to go to the combine and
Speaker 2: throw and yeah, you're right, like odds are against you.
Speaker 2: But if he would have went there and fucking ben
Speaker 2: lights out, I mean, Jackson dark wasn't even perfect, but
Speaker 2: people are glazing him after the combine. What did I
Speaker 2: tell you? And for a year now, what did I say?
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been talking about Jackson Darty, but it's
Speaker 2: like you now that you're just fucking it back.
Speaker 1: Well, I still think he might be the outside dark
Speaker 1: horse to be the number of world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people are talking about him going into the
Speaker 2: Todds Haend. You're saying he shouldn't even go in the
Speaker 2: first round.
Speaker 1: No, that's what you've been saying. You've been saying, that's
Speaker 1: what the other guy said that I told him. You've
Speaker 1: been he said he won't go. I said he's going.
Speaker 1: You've been saying some team's gonna overdraft him. You've been
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna You've been saying he shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Go that high. Though he been saying shouldn't go. You've
Speaker 2: been predicting that he's going to go that high. And
Speaker 2: you've also been saying that he shouldn't go that high.
Speaker 1: Yes, he should not go number one over, he shouldn't
Speaker 1: go top five, he shouldn't go to Cleveland.
Speaker 2: You've been saying he shouldn't go in the top fifteen.
Speaker 2: You've been saying, like first round, you've been saying like
Speaker 2: he's a fringe first round, like you probably shouldn't know.
Speaker 1: He's definitely a fresh He's definitely a first rounder. After
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. He's definitely a first rounder because they
Speaker 1: need like there's too many teams that need quarterbacks. But
Speaker 1: you're saying he shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: He has town on ability, but Lane Kevin has never
Speaker 1: had a quarterback making in the league he coached.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so anyways, back to my point what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is, you know, a hat your dirty run out
Speaker 2: there has the work out of his life. He would
Speaker 2: have easily secured the number one pick spot. So I
Speaker 2: think for me, like, I don't think that should take
Speaker 2: anything away from him, his tape, his body of work,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, all the things he's been able to
Speaker 2: do in spite of all the distractions, all the transfers,
Speaker 2: all the injuries, all that stuff. And also like I
Speaker 2: feel like he just left a gooden opportunity to be
Speaker 2: the number one pick up there. But that also might
Speaker 2: have been strategic because, like he's been saying all year,
Speaker 2: like he wants to go where he wants to go.
Speaker 2: Whether or not that's be number one, I mean depends
Speaker 2: who trades up there.
Speaker 1: But Joe Burrow had nine in chance and he proved
Speaker 1: how stupid during a QB's.
Speaker 2: Hands is.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jared Goff has in the playoffs more times
Speaker 2: than not, and he has small hands, ridiculously small hands
Speaker 2: for six or five rames.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: people just gotta realize that these quarterbacks are different from
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks of old, and that I mean it's a
Speaker 1: preference for him.
Speaker 2: I mean I would say, like even if you took
Speaker 2: like the the midst of the mad prospects that you
Speaker 2: could think of in the last ten years, I mean,
Speaker 2: Shred was right there in the middle, right, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's I would say, he's got more upside than like
Speaker 2: Gino did coming out. He probably has has a better
Speaker 2: resume than you know, Teddy be coming out, Like.
Speaker 1: He has a better resume. He probably a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks actually, So yeah, under that Jackson state, he set
Speaker 1: records on Colorado two schools that hadn't had success, and like, but.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, if you plotted all the
Speaker 2: first round qbs over the last ten years. I think
Speaker 2: Shadera would be right there in the middle. And I
Speaker 2: don't think that's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's just everyone wants to put it in
Speaker 1: the context of last year's draft class or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's like you can't go back to last year, right,
Speaker 2: And if you go back two years, it's like half
Speaker 2: of those guys they were trying to get rid of already.
Speaker 1: Lake Willa is the only one looking worse than anything
Speaker 1: in that draft class.
Speaker 2: And what party. I guess you're talking about three years ago. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about two years ago. I'm talking about Anthie
Speaker 2: Richardson and what not. But I mean, if JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: comes out in the struggles this year, they could get
Speaker 2: him the fuck out of here, and he was just
Speaker 2: a top ten pick. Yeah, you know, bo Knicks might
Speaker 2: struggle and now they're gonna bring a veteran in year three.
Speaker 2: Bocks pretty solid. He said, no, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: if he comes out and struggles next year, they could
Speaker 2: easily get a veteran to compete with him the next year.
Speaker 2: Like that's just the way the fucking game works. Like
Speaker 2: none of these guys are are set even when they're
Speaker 2: you think they're set even when they made it. I
Speaker 2: mean shit, look at Sam Darol.
Speaker 1: He's on his fifth life six probably, so you never
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But you just got to focus on what these guys
Speaker 2: can do and focus on what you the organization have
Speaker 2: to bring to get them there. Like that's really what
Speaker 2: what the formula is. It's not fucking rocket science. It's
Speaker 2: just getting out of your own fucking way. And yeah,
Speaker 2: just just to go back to your points. Like I
Speaker 2: feel like I feel like he's getting unnecessary hate, but
Speaker 2: I don't even think it needs to be in the
Speaker 2: context of you know, race or who his father is.
Speaker 2: I think you can just break it.
Speaker 1: Down to the tape, like what black quarterbacks face the most,
Speaker 1: Like this is this is a problem. It's like they
Speaker 1: want him to be a poor ass black kid. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: like there I know kids who didn't grow up in
Speaker 1: the hood who are tough as fuck like that. They
Speaker 1: just want him to be humbled. They want him to
Speaker 1: be what the yeah which is yeah which you're speaking to.
Speaker 1: It's like having a woman in a position and like
Speaker 1: she's in leadership and like instead of deferring to her
Speaker 1: you defer to the next closest male to her, which
Speaker 1: is a microaggression.
Speaker 2: So it's like everybody can be seth carry that's that's like, you.
Speaker 1: Don't there's no such thing as a perfect quarterback prospect
Speaker 1: because hell Andrew Luck ain't even gonna make the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. How'd that work out? And one of that,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is everybody thinks they know what the
Speaker 1: perfect QB prospect is until their career turns out a
Speaker 1: certain way. So let's stop acting like he could be great,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's under the tulages of Tom Brady. But
Speaker 1: like these quarterbacks have, people are.
Speaker 2: Mad at these quarterbacks, be mad at.
Speaker 1: The rules that are in place that in bolt that
Speaker 1: empowers these quarterbacks now because guess what, you have to
Speaker 1: be an athlete a quarterback now who can throw.
Speaker 2: And you're you're seeing more and more of that.
Speaker 1: You're seeing guys who have athletic footwork, can move, they
Speaker 1: don't need to run the ball sixty times, And really
Speaker 1: that's elevated the athleticism with the entire game because look at.
Speaker 2: That, that's really what we've talked about at the beginning, is.
Speaker 1: Terrence Ferguson had a great draft, by the way, probably
Speaker 1: the best tight end prospect outside of his Gonland was
Speaker 1: trash round a four to six three though, but Golland
Speaker 1: was trashed. Who cares, he can drop like two balls, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'll be all right. I think
Speaker 1: tan Ferguson will go somewhere and be a steal.
Speaker 2: Well. The thing with that is this drink classes. The
Speaker 2: tight end draft class is fucking deep. He got Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like, there's gonna be a lot of tight ends
Speaker 1: that say, I know you've been saying that, but I
Speaker 1: think this, this combine really solidified that. The Pittsburgh tight end,
Speaker 1: the Nebraska tight end, somebody's gonna fall in love with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's a lot of athletes who can
Speaker 1: fill a role, and that's where the league is going.
Speaker 2: It's not going back to the.
Speaker 1: Old way of we're gonna we're gonna have a big ass.
Speaker 2: So the rosters are bigger and more games.
Speaker 1: There's more games. The offenses are, you know, packing more packages.
Speaker 2: More slow feet don't eat so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but you can't be slow as hell out here
Speaker 1: and think you're gonna play this.
Speaker 2: That's not the game.
Speaker 1: They're Madrono ran a four four six bro. Nobody's talking
Speaker 1: about it. Why because we've seen like twenty five linebackers
Speaker 1: run four fours faster than that. Well, I think rynebackers
Speaker 1: were four threes. I think with the I hope what
Speaker 1: I hope the Chiefs taught everyone from this experience. And honestly, like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it. I don't know why
Speaker 1: this lesson hasn't been learned already. But it's like, you
Speaker 1: need more than five offensive lineman. You need more than
Speaker 1: five quality starting offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: You need a eight just like D. Just like the
Speaker 2: D line. Now you have an eight seven eight man
Speaker 2: rotation rotation you need you need, you need a rotation offense,
Speaker 2: like I don't know why we haven't seen teams do that.
Speaker 2: I mean the same thing with the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: a few years ago. Their offensive line collapsed late because
Speaker 2: they were just banged up, you know, and and and
Speaker 2: playing on line is tough enough, but it's even tougher
Speaker 2: when you're banged up, and it's even tougher when you're
Speaker 2: playing at that high level, with that high of stakes.
Speaker 2: I mean, the chief said, I mean, in all their
Speaker 2: Super Bowl runs, there are just signing tackles the last week.
Speaker 2: I mean one year they signed it.
Speaker 1: Remember when they signed Eric Fisher like the last week,
Speaker 1: like for the third time, like since he's definitely a
Speaker 1: bust man.
Speaker 2: The sad thing is, I don't even know if you
Speaker 2: can call him a bus because that whole class was
Speaker 2: such a bust, Like he might be the least of
Speaker 2: the bust of the bus bro Luke Dracau was the
Speaker 2: next Pig Joko whatever. That whole trash. The whole class
Speaker 2: was trash. That whole entire class might be one good one,
Speaker 2: we don't remember that. I think it was like Shanon
Speaker 2: Richardson or someone.
Speaker 1: Like there was a couple of Pro bowlers, but even
Speaker 1: they flamed out like after five ors years, Like the
Speaker 1: class was crazy. Chest he's still in the league still.
Speaker 2: I think he's not.
Speaker 1: The other guy, Shodon Rankins is still in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shoton rankings, but he's fifteen. That was thirteen. Anyways,
Speaker 2: all right, what else college football?
Speaker 1: UH? Pro days are coming up. As far as college football,
Speaker 1: there hasn't really been a lot. I mean said Big
Speaker 1: Team Media Day is going to be in Vegas.
Speaker 2: UH.
Speaker 1: Teams are canceling their spring games because they're turning into
Speaker 1: the NFL off season, by the way, shout out to
Speaker 1: see something basketball was actually doing very good.
Speaker 2: Oh. I think that was one thing I was going
Speaker 2: to say too, that the point that you made earlier
Speaker 2: about like, hey, you know, these these are kids, they
Speaker 2: haven't been in there. Like I would have given you
Speaker 2: that cop out before in IL but now at this point,
Speaker 2: like these guys are million dollar businesses, Like they have teams,
Speaker 2: they have people. So it's like at that point, like
Speaker 2: I can't give you that plea anymore because now you
Speaker 2: got the paper in the resources, how you use it
Speaker 2: and how you prep like it's one thing, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, like you have more than
Speaker 2: anyone else that came before you. I think the thing
Speaker 2: that's getting lost in translation is that like the old
Speaker 2: isn't tying into the news as much. I feel like
Speaker 2: there's some resentment there that is kind of blocking off
Speaker 2: this new generation from really reaching that full potential because
Speaker 2: now that they have the resources, they don't have the
Speaker 2: same kind of you know, soft re sours just education, mentorship,
Speaker 2: things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a part of it, but also just the
Speaker 1: landscape is becoming more business like and these kids are
Speaker 1: gonna stop pretending. Like, Bro, there are dudes making fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year strong for sure streaming, and.
Speaker 2: That brings and that brings me to your life it's
Speaker 2: been a.
Speaker 1: Waste because I literally could have just been doing that,
Speaker 1: And that brings me to fucking my My point to
Speaker 1: the point that you were making right now about how
Speaker 1: lot of them are getting rid of their spring games,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, because, like I said, they're million dollar businesses, right,
Speaker 1: so you don't want to get them heard lose it
Speaker 1: one two.
Speaker 2: It's like they're so sensitive and things are so much
Speaker 2: in play. It's like.
Speaker 1: You really can't afford to have your you know, fifty
Speaker 1: million nil guy get beat out by a walk on.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's not a good look anymore because
Speaker 1: at that point, it's just a wasted resources. And that
Speaker 1: dude's probably gonna transfer and he's got so much club
Speaker 1: that he's probably gonna take somebodies with him.
Speaker 2: That's just kind of the culture. And we've seen that.
Speaker 1: Some more college football news. Yeah, so Jeremy quite called
Speaker 1: out Oklahoma for canceling their spring game. He's like, so
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna highlight the young guys who have improved,
Speaker 1: the guys who are stuck around and like they need
Speaker 1: that confidence boost of being in front of a crowd
Speaker 1: of people and performing well. You're gonna take that away
Speaker 1: from him. Like the spring game is very vital. I
Speaker 1: feel that that makes sense. I think I owe you
Speaker 1: a lot later. I think that also applies to the fans.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a having a Crimson combine.
Speaker 2: Instead it's an easy, you know, cheap event that's really
Speaker 2: for your community, Like that's what it should be about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also it's it's kind of let's be on
Speaker 1: the spring games were just licenses to print money.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. It was great pr though
Speaker 2: it's not even just that it's licenses to print money.
Speaker 2: It's you're building up that height, You're building up that
Speaker 2: that train.
Speaker 1: Like the Big twelve has their combine. The SEC does
Speaker 1: never combine yet, but the Big twelve does. The Big
Speaker 1: Twelve combin is gonna be very interesting too.
Speaker 2: It's like that's that's an advantage that college football had
Speaker 2: that they're now getting rid of, because what separates X
Speaker 2: college football fan from X NFL and is that whole
Speaker 2: Oh well, we have this this guy coming up, or
Speaker 2: that guy coming up, or this guy is battling for
Speaker 2: a position. All that starts with the spring All that
Speaker 2: starts with these fans being tied into the process earlier
Speaker 2: and often than the pros, where the pros is more exclusive,
Speaker 2: more elite, more thing college robows you know, it's regional.
Speaker 2: It's more accessible, like you're supposed to be out there.
Speaker 1: And one of my earliest memories as a sports fan,
Speaker 1: which is why you're just a USC fan as a kid,
Speaker 1: I went when I was in the seventh grade, we
Speaker 1: got a chance to go to USC U LA and
Speaker 1: we got to watch the UCLA game in the USC game,
Speaker 1: and I remember Fred Davis signed my poster. He's like,
Speaker 1: well position you player. I was like, oh, lot in
Speaker 1: d line. He's like, oh line, and that's what's up.
Speaker 1: And to think, like, wait, I was talking to Fred
Speaker 1: Davis in college as a seventh grader. Like the impact
Speaker 1: I had all my life is crazy, Like Reggie wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but like you know, I still remember that era and
Speaker 1: like watching all these dudes. Imagine if there was no
Speaker 1: spring game, Imagine if USC didn't have it to where
Speaker 1: like the fans could actually touch the athletes and kick
Speaker 1: it with the athletes and have that moment. Imagine like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be generations of kids who like don't have
Speaker 1: that connect with these athletes, which is kind of gonna
Speaker 1: be dangerous. But streaming I think makes up for that.
Speaker 1: Since everybody's on twitch or whatever. We well, I it's
Speaker 1: gonna become more like you're gonna only really if you
Speaker 1: don't know these kids in high school, if you're not
Speaker 1: on huddle all day long like I used to be,
Speaker 1: then you're not really gonna know who these people are exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that really kind of ties it
Speaker 2: all together. Like, obviously you don't need a fucking crowd discrimmage.
Speaker 2: Obviously these guys are scrimmaging against each other every day.
Speaker 2: But just having that day on your calendar marked of like,
Speaker 2: this is a day I get to show my ship
Speaker 2: to everybody that does something for you that creates a
Speaker 2: competitive toughness in you and create it all. And going
Speaker 2: back to the and yeah, and going back to those
Speaker 2: USC days said those games were legendary. And I didn't
Speaker 2: even go all those big programs, all those big organs
Speaker 2: at the time. Those spring games are legenda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like and even with the combine, there's like
Speaker 1: there was like a hundred people that actually have fans there.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest day of their life, and like it
Speaker 1: cans turned into a money making event. That's why more
Speaker 1: cats are opting out. I'll just do my own private workout, yep.
Speaker 1: I can run forty anywhere. I don't need to do
Speaker 1: it in Indianapolis. That's why so many guys at some
Speaker 1: point went just to show up. That's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would.
Speaker 2: I go to the car? At some point it might
Speaker 2: not be to the benefit of the players, but at
Speaker 2: some point you're just gonna have to get rid of
Speaker 2: the age of it. Like you're just gonna have to
Speaker 2: let the guys who really are pros you go through.
Speaker 2: You got to keep it, No, I mean you don't. Bro,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 1: Nineteen year old ap would have got ship.
Speaker 2: You don't. But you don't. You don't have to keep it.
Speaker 2: You have to don't, bro football Why you have to
Speaker 2: keep it? Why it's different you.
Speaker 1: And eighteen would have got folded by twenty six.
Speaker 2: I'm also not.
Speaker 1: I'm also not Let's go back in time, let's find eighteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then here's the thing. There was no avage, There
Speaker 1: was less of an avenue for us when we played to.
Speaker 2: Do what some of these guys are doing. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of ship going on. I couldn't get there's
Speaker 2: a lot of ship that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just weren't like, we weren't privy to it
Speaker 1: and they were all people were cheating back then. They
Speaker 1: just wasn't talk about.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we gotta stop pretending college football is about the fans
Speaker 2: because these players, frankly, are not buying into it. And
Speaker 2: it's their right, it's their bodies, you know. They these
Speaker 2: colleges have been profiting off the likeness and bodies of
Speaker 2: these players for long enough. So that's that's all I'm
Speaker 2: saying is at some point we gotta stop pretending like
Speaker 2: we care about these fans because all these traditions, all
Speaker 2: these things that we care about, these players are slowly
Speaker 2: giving less fucks about And at some point you got
Speaker 2: to have that conversation of Okay, well, why are we
Speaker 2: doing what we're doing If these guys are making fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars, if they're making more than the NFL already, like,
Speaker 2: why not just go let them go to the NFL
Speaker 2: because up like the NBA, and you don't want that.
Speaker 2: The NBA has just has a worst problem. NBA is
Speaker 2: kind of trying to BA. The NBA's problem is different
Speaker 2: because they're forcing players to do that and so to
Speaker 2: go to college or they're going there and so a
Speaker 2: lot of them are flaming out. But that's how you
Speaker 2: use fault. A lot of them are just you know,
Speaker 2: wasting their time. They're just playing thirty games, not going
Speaker 2: to class, and they're the fuck out, Like that's how
Speaker 2: you used They're just like why the fuck are they there?
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is we're gonna be seeing a
Speaker 2: similar thing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why you have to keep the age
Speaker 1: limit because it's the only thing keeping keeping the bad
Speaker 1: guys away from the door. Like, once you do that
Speaker 1: and anybody, yeah, but that's what you gotta say, anybody
Speaker 1: can go pro.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying, So what's what are you
Speaker 2: really saying that? What I'm saying is what why do
Speaker 2: you need to protect people that are elite at their
Speaker 2: own thing and they're already making the money anywhere.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be like you might get one dude
Speaker 1: who could play out of high school.
Speaker 2: But it's not the least job to make sure that
Speaker 2: these people protect their body or their wealth. Like they
Speaker 2: clearly have shown that they don't give a fuck about that,
Speaker 2: So we gotta stop acting like they're doing that.
Speaker 1: Because they have flag football initiatives that have other things going,
Speaker 1: there's a funnel system for everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody can go somewhere.
Speaker 1: Like once you take out age limits and all that,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have people just thinking.
Speaker 2: Oh, I could do this.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be like another we got a
Speaker 1: bunch of sad ass stories of dudes who never made it.
Speaker 2: We already have those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have you do you really want a bigger problem that
Speaker 2: that's not gonna change that.
Speaker 1: It won't change. I just don't think people they don't
Speaker 1: want to handle.
Speaker 2: It'll be like I don't be like MLB.
Speaker 1: You'll have some you'll have, uh, you know, the two
Speaker 1: percent that make it and are great instantly, and you'll
Speaker 1: have the ninety eight that don't, or that get.
Speaker 2: Lost or that try to go back to college after
Speaker 2: a year or two.
Speaker 1: But I mean, also, I think you have Naia and
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see more guys staying at that
Speaker 1: level or going down to that level to put up
Speaker 1: like gaudy, insane numbers. I think you're gonna see more
Speaker 1: people because like a lot of these kids aren't getting
Speaker 1: scholarships offered out of high school.
Speaker 2: There. It's just a lot of them are going to transfer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're only they're looking at like eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the portal. It's like twenty percent of guys are
Speaker 1: getting scholarships, and how many actually stay from their freshman
Speaker 1: and sophomore year, like, especially depending on position, especially depending
Speaker 1: on an il because shout out to Dan Landy. He's
Speaker 1: got a fat contract extension. I think he's making like
Speaker 1: eleven million a year now or some crazy ass number.
Speaker 1: But Texas Tech just open up two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: two million dollar football facility Texas Tech, of all places,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not surprising. It's Texas because.
Speaker 2: A barber Technology.
Speaker 1: There's a barber shop and a podcast studio.
Speaker 2: So we need to go to Lubbock.
Speaker 1: I guess the Belichick has North Carolina players practicing with
Speaker 1: no jerseys. Yeah, I saw that, like the Patriot numbers,
Speaker 1: and I'm like Okay, bro, all right, how are you
Speaker 1: going to know who's making a play?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: How are you going to know? How are you going
Speaker 1: to differentiate? I mean that's what they do. Jersey numbers
Speaker 1: are differentiate who's out there and who Isn't they been
Speaker 1: dominating on games?
Speaker 2: Well they did that with the Patriots one too. You
Speaker 2: could easily put tape on their helmet. Three. Ideally you
Speaker 2: should be that should make your coaches know who the
Speaker 2: players are more like, you should make them closer. Bro.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why a bunch of players left Alabama
Speaker 1: once Nick Saban said he was out.
Speaker 2: Cats.
Speaker 1: Cats want to get prepared for the league. Cats nowadays
Speaker 1: have more in common with Tom Brady than they do Belicheck.
Speaker 1: The only thing these young kids are gonna be. These
Speaker 1: young kids a gonna look at Bettlecheck and be like,
Speaker 1: you have a I think you need to think about
Speaker 1: this point a little bit more because it's getting a
Speaker 1: little I don't know what what I'm saying is like
Speaker 1: all these older, old school antiquated ship like, Okay, Bill,
Speaker 1: that's cute. You can do that because you're in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But that's why you didn't get another NFL job. That's
Speaker 1: that ship's outdated. Bro that some of those some of
Speaker 1: the practices are outdated. And let's be honest, his girlfriend
Speaker 1: is old enough to be college with his girlfriends what
Speaker 1: like twenty two or some ship twenty four?
Speaker 2: Like what do we say that? They're like, no, it
Speaker 2: kind of does it? Kind of does?
Speaker 1: You saw Blue Mountain State, you watched Irban may Ohio State.
Speaker 1: You understand how some of this coaching shit goes behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. He's preaching old school ship to these kids,
Speaker 1: but then they watch you have a fucking young girlfriend
Speaker 1: who's honestly, he is probably only a couple of years
Speaker 1: older than them. Like some of these cats, like the
Speaker 1: backup linebacker for Alabama, uh d m Kaitlin de Bor's
Speaker 1: fucking daughter got kicked off the team. Like these young
Speaker 1: cats are going to tune out some of these old
Speaker 1: school things that he's trying to teach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but these young kids don't give up.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing about lineage like that, the whole
Speaker 1: thing about that traditions, the whole thing about they're gonna
Speaker 1: think that's stupid.
Speaker 2: That's not why he's doing it, though, why he's doing
Speaker 2: it for the league. That's that's why I'm so confused
Speaker 2: on what point you're making because it's like there's gonna
Speaker 2: be It's not like he's been out for fucking ten
Speaker 2: years like Joe Gibbs. He was only out of the
Speaker 2: league for one year. There's no other coach who can
Speaker 2: go into a living room and say, you want to
Speaker 2: go to the league. I've dominated it, pet Carol. I've
Speaker 2: set the standards. Nobody else I'm talking about in college football.
Speaker 2: Nobody else can go into the locker room and tell
Speaker 2: can go into your living room and say, I know
Speaker 2: what you need to get ready for the league? Do
Speaker 2: you because you're not in the league anymore.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, But he wasn't the league
Speaker 1: longer than anybody else.
Speaker 2: Who's in COLLGE.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: You combine that with with u nc's fucking big pockets
Speaker 2: and Jordan Connections and all the white holes there, and
Speaker 2: people are gonna buy in because that's the same thing too.
Speaker 2: The same thing of what you're saying is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I go to Florida State.
Speaker 1: You're telling me to do this old man ship, but
Speaker 1: you got a young girlfriend, nah that I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of fucking nineteen year olds who
Speaker 1: are like man, Bill Belly the go you see his bitch.
Speaker 1: You know there's motherfuckers having that conversation. Bro, I want
Speaker 1: to bring up I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to let's really talk about it. I want
Speaker 2: to be around here, fucking Notre Dame football player. I
Speaker 2: want to be around Bill Belly. He gonna teach me
Speaker 2: how to get a thing twenty years younger than me. Like,
Speaker 2: that's gross.
Speaker 1: Why would you want to think twenty years younger than
Speaker 1: you was a nineteen year old college kid.
Speaker 2: I want you to think about that statement. See how
Speaker 2: that doesn't track well. But what I'm saying is that's
Speaker 2: that's something that they're in. My bro, Bill Belichick is
Speaker 2: running through.
Speaker 1: When Bill Belichick runs through these young girls more than
Speaker 1: DiCaprio does, let's just keep it a bean, and college
Speaker 1: is a nasty work, bro. They just had a scan,
Speaker 1: they just finished up a scandal North Carolina. So let's
Speaker 1: not sit up here and act like all these young
Speaker 1: kids are thinking what he's doing is cool. No, some
Speaker 1: of these cats are going to the league no matter
Speaker 1: what school they go to, because they're just that goddamn
Speaker 1: good and they're gonna look at all the no jersey,
Speaker 1: the no numbers on jerseys and all this other shit,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, Yeah, those rules aren't gonna
Speaker 1: apply to me. I'm gonna go to Georgia and ball out.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, some people want to work.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have any success and it, he'll
Speaker 1: be a failure. We're gonna look back and the first
Speaker 1: thing people are gonna say is he's out of touch.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing everyone's gonna say. He's out of touch.
Speaker 1: And he's hypocritical because like, it's not like you have
Speaker 1: a seventy year old wife, Bro, you got like twenty
Speaker 1: year old twenty four year old chicks that you're out
Speaker 1: here smashing that your teammates could probably be smashing like
Speaker 1: people are Like, people are going to talk. It's college football.
Speaker 1: It's dirty business. The ACC is already in trouble football wise,
Speaker 1: like with the CFP. By the way, they just added
Speaker 1: five new people to They cycled in five new people
Speaker 1: for college football, one of him being former Michigan coach,
Speaker 1: Michigan State head coach and College Football Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni. He's one of the new committee members. Let
Speaker 1: me see, there's a so thirteen. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a thirteen person committee this fall. The marit and athletic
Speaker 1: director Damon Evans, former ESPN College football reporter Ivan Micel,
Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee State athletic director, Chris Maasorrow, former Ole Miss
Speaker 1: All American tight end, and Panthers great Wesley Walls are
Speaker 1: also going to be the group. They're bringing back USA
Speaker 1: Today sportswriter Steve Weiberg for one year. Turner replaced Gary Pinkel,
Speaker 1: who's a legendary Miszoo coach. H he's stepping down for
Speaker 1: other commitments. Wiberg actually served on the committee from twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty seventeen. And also the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: Belichick offered Larry Lariy Fitzgerald's son Devin scholarship. He's class
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. All right, anything else you want
Speaker 1: to say about college football before we move on?
Speaker 2: I think that is all right.
Speaker 1: Well, moving on to the east side to uh so,
Speaker 1: all right, damn, don't die, don't die, bro, lift your
Speaker 1: feet up. Jesus Christ, all these fucking chords are cross.
Speaker 1: You did you kind of like drag your foot I
Speaker 1: was like this man, about.
Speaker 2: The look at these fucking chords across. Yeah, so what
Speaker 2: are you saying, bro? The chords are fucking cross.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's about to snap his ankle and
Speaker 1: this is gonna be bad.
Speaker 2: You know there were people that literally had this job
Speaker 2: to lay fucking chords for decades.
Speaker 1: Yes, and people still snapped her to fucking skill. Bro, Yes,
Speaker 1: it is staffers.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Uh so, Trey Henderson, I'm gonna do this because you're
Speaker 1: gonna suck it up. Let me do the take your chance,
Speaker 1: let me do let me just suck it up. I'm
Speaker 1: not read that list that totally I write this.
Speaker 2: Let's let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see all right, Let's Seahawks cut wide receiver Tyler
Speaker 1: Lockett and they say seven wrong, Bro, they say seventeen
Speaker 1: million dollars by this is this is wrong.
Speaker 2: This is what hell you should have did it? You
Speaker 2: gotta do like one as the definitive moves.
Speaker 1: And one as like the specuative moves. You got them
Speaker 1: all mixed up right now, we'll just read the first one.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna make take your tangents. The definitive one,
Speaker 1: I mean kind of have to.
Speaker 2: Touchdown. You got cutting people got traded. But do you
Speaker 2: understand between definitive and not. Yes, So like DK getting
Speaker 2: traded would be exactly you might would go in one
Speaker 2: you want to be traded, that would go in one
Speaker 2: category versus Taylor Lockett was already cut. Yeah, but this
Speaker 2: sparked it, so that should be in touchdown or turnover
Speaker 2: because we're gonna say if that's good or bad versus
Speaker 2: take her tangent, it's more like speculation. Okay, do you
Speaker 2: gotta take him getting trade? Trade DK?
Speaker 1: Him getting cut is why DK wanted the trade. That's
Speaker 1: what sparked it. That's why I have those two right
Speaker 1: behind each other. But if anything, that makes it worse,
Speaker 1: because why would you put them right after, right next
Speaker 1: to each other if they're going to be part of
Speaker 1: the same same if they're gonna come up Now that's
Speaker 1: the same series between each the same series of moves.
Speaker 1: But it's also a fair question like do you have
Speaker 1: a take on it or you're a tangent on it?
Speaker 1: Because clearly they thought it was a touchdown. That's why
Speaker 1: they cut his ass.
Speaker 2: Okay, But see, this is why I wanted to do
Speaker 2: the segment because I already had a strategy in my
Speaker 2: head of how I was going to organize it, I
Speaker 2: screw it and go for it.
Speaker 1: All right, So Tyler Lockett got cut, saves the Seahawks
Speaker 1: seventeen million take her tangent. I think it's good for
Speaker 1: both sides. You're not gonna pay ty to Locket that
Speaker 1: much money when you already have other pieces of our
Speaker 1: offense that are outperforming him, and he can go somewhere
Speaker 1: and get a nice little bag to finish out of
Speaker 1: his career because he's still a hooper, he's still a baller.
Speaker 1: And Jack Jackson Smith and Jigma is the future of
Speaker 1: that offense at receiver. And if you have to trade,
Speaker 1: you know DK Again, they're receivers in this draft class
Speaker 1: out here running four three flats and four two note
Speaker 1: and ship with great ball skills.
Speaker 2: So the the.
Speaker 1: The hardest part for these receivers who are great or
Speaker 1: veterans is that, like there's a whole new draft class
Speaker 1: and coming to replace you.
Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think this one is hard for Seahawks fans because
Speaker 2: he's a legend. He's a legend, he's been there for
Speaker 2: so long, he's part of the Super Bowl teams. But
Speaker 2: I think more importantly, like I think he was part
Speaker 2: of the last one lost when I lost, I thought
Speaker 2: he was that think he was on the one where
Speaker 2: they won. He definitely wasn't. I don't even I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure he wasn't on that team that they lost. Either
Speaker 2: might have been like the next year. He might be right.
Speaker 2: He might have got drafted that year that they won
Speaker 2: they lost, he might have. He might have got drafted
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's like year nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anyways, I think Tyler Lockett is just kind of
Speaker 2: a I don't want to say martyr in Seattle, but
Speaker 2: he was just like the first kind of like number
Speaker 2: one remnants of receiver that they had in a really
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: One of the best draft picks ever too. He was
Speaker 1: just such a big playmaker in the return game, short passes,
Speaker 1: long passes, like he just brought a different element to
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I think that's kind of like he was
Speaker 1: kind of like the catalyst for them transitioning from like
Speaker 1: a you know, Marshawn offense to more of a Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson off So there's just a lot of fells there
Speaker 1: for Seattle fans. But the reality is, like you said,
Speaker 1: this Seattle team, we've basically been counting out for like
Speaker 1: three years. They've been overachieving since they got Geno.
Speaker 2: Basically, Tyler Lockett has basically been phased out for the
Speaker 2: past three years. Now you're going in the second year
Speaker 2: of a new head coach, which he had actually a
Speaker 2: pretty solid year last year, so it almost seems like
Speaker 2: a good time for kind of a soft reset, And
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're going to continue to see
Speaker 2: out of Seattle, with both the Lockett, you know, being
Speaker 2: released and DK ultimately getting traded. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: Lockett ends up, you know, with the Raiders for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: or the Rams, but even the Rams or the Chargers
Speaker 1: could make sense.
Speaker 2: All right. Uh, next up, we got a Max Crosby
Speaker 2: got a three year extension one hundred and six million
Speaker 2: ninety one point five guaranteed, the most guaranteed money given
Speaker 2: to a player who is not a quarterback. So take
Speaker 2: her tangent.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna count that man's pockets or hate. He
Speaker 1: took advantage of the market, he stayed loyal, and now
Speaker 1: he's getting market value. Even though I Michael Parson's just
Speaker 1: gonna get a hundred million guaranteed for sure. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: probably twenty million guaranteed. Yes, because he's alised two positions,
Speaker 1: he's got a way higher athletic profile, and he's younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean.
Speaker 1: If you just break it down, like he hasn't been
Speaker 1: hurt like that, and like when he's out, the complexity
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys defense is different, whereas like.
Speaker 2: Max then Parsons Tursday co No, he did not.
Speaker 1: Partons did not Thursday CEO, but he did. Nah, he
Speaker 1: had some injuries, me injury or whatever.
Speaker 2: But when you just break down and look at.
Speaker 1: That drushing market, Yeah, they kind of had to do
Speaker 1: this Max's deal. I think it just helps because he's
Speaker 1: in his prime. He got clean, he had an All
Speaker 1: Pro a couple of years ago, he had an All
Speaker 1: Pro season. He's you know, he's proven to be a
Speaker 1: franchise lynch pin, and I think just the timing was
Speaker 1: perfect for him to get paid. And I'm happy that
Speaker 1: he got paid, so salute to him.
Speaker 2: So I think for me, on one hand, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, he's been a Star Wars, a Star Wars
Speaker 2: in the community for the organization. He's been a voice
Speaker 2: for the locker room. He's been a stating factor getting sober,
Speaker 2: really came out of nowhere, has helped bring the past
Speaker 2: first summit to Vegas, mentored a lot of the different
Speaker 2: defensive linemen that have been out of there. So I
Speaker 2: think he's he's definitely earned this contract. I think it
Speaker 2: makes sense for the Raiders because, as you mentioned, Parsons
Speaker 2: is going to get paid, Henderson is going to get paid.
Speaker 2: So whatever, if they would have waited another year or two,
Speaker 2: they would have had to beat those deals.
Speaker 1: So at least you get in front of those deals.
Speaker 1: Now keep Crosby, as you know, basically a.
Speaker 2: Positive asset, and as you mentioned, he's been on a
Speaker 2: bargain deal, said all the right things, done all the
Speaker 2: right things, So I mean, I'm happy for him. At
Speaker 2: the same time, he's also coming off his worst season.
Speaker 2: He also dealt with a lot of injuries. He's getting
Speaker 2: older and Wilkins. We don't really have much around him
Speaker 2: on the defensive line, and Wilkes is coming off an injury,
Speaker 2: so we don't even know what he's gonna look like.
Speaker 1: They have two hundred million dollars invested in the dealing
Speaker 1: and the two people, so that's the work and it
Speaker 1: has to work fast.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, like right or wrong,
Speaker 2: like it's the buck's gonna stop at Crosby like this,
Speaker 2: this is what what he's really signing. All right. Next up,
Speaker 2: we got the Bears trading for Joe Thuney and Jonah Jackson.
Speaker 2: Take your attention. That's a steal for the Bears and
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. Now it's like.
Speaker 1: There's not much pressure gonna left tackle because you already
Speaker 1: got I think you put Thony. You can put Thoney
Speaker 1: at left tackle. Honestly, you can play all five positions.
Speaker 1: You can put Thony at tackle still probably trade Andre
Speaker 1: James hopefully, but Jonah Jackson will play left guard he
Speaker 1: slidi finds that spot. You can either put Thony at
Speaker 1: right guard next to Taylor, which would probably superchargeerr O line,
Speaker 1: or you put Throny tackle. But I think you have
Speaker 1: two guards who completely elevate that line, and they need
Speaker 1: the center and they probably need another high caliber tackle
Speaker 1: just to like improve the O line and get some
Speaker 1: depth because like the guy that got a left tackles
Speaker 1: like six' nine or six, whatever he's.
Speaker 2: Pretty, good but he's still.
Speaker 1: Unproving and then the dude that they got out Of
Speaker 1: yale behind him as a project. Player so it's, like,
Speaker 1: again a good offensive line goes about eight.
Speaker 2: Deep, YEAH i think for The, BEARS i, mean we've
Speaker 2: seen them go through coaching regime, changes you, KNOW gm,
Speaker 2: changes all these different changes over the, years and we've
Speaker 2: seen them bringing different. Quarterbacks you've seen them attract big
Speaker 2: name free. Agents what you haven't really seen them do
Speaker 2: is like completely rebuild the offensive. Line they're always just
Speaker 2: kind of adding pieces, here adding pieces, there you, know
Speaker 2: trying to scrap things. Together BUT i feel like under this,
Speaker 2: regime you, Know Ben johnson's is proving the offensive line
Speaker 2: is a priority and he's putting it together right. Away
Speaker 2: AND i think that's a good sign For bears fans
Speaker 2: has something to be excited. About it's one thing to,
Speaker 2: fail it's another thing to fail and keep doing the same. Shit,
Speaker 2: FURTHERMORE i, mean last year they made a lot of
Speaker 2: moves at the skill, position signed a bunch of. Guys
Speaker 2: SO i, mean assuming they heat those guys add to the,
Speaker 2: draft there's enough Around caleb already. There you just need
Speaker 2: to be able to protect. Him and, DEFENSIVELY i mean
Speaker 2: they always seem to find. Guys they always seem to
Speaker 2: put a great defense out there regardless of who they
Speaker 2: lose or don't lose in free.
Speaker 1: Agency SO i, mean, yeah IF i was A bears,
Speaker 1: Fan i'd be feeling better THAN i have a long, time.
Speaker 1: Honestly plus now you could probably go get an edge
Speaker 1: or maybe even the, safety or trade back out of your,
Speaker 1: spot or just take most. Available by the, WAY i
Speaker 1: was thinking The tennessee, Players James pierce running the four four.
Speaker 1: Seven but everybody's saying he is the worst character of
Speaker 1: everyone they've ever like talk, to which is kind of.
Speaker 1: Crazy like they, said he's a he's a walking gray.
Speaker 2: Flag all, Right, yes We Bobby, wagner we signed with
Speaker 2: The commanders touchdowners running over.
Speaker 1: Touchdown they can still draft his, replacement but he solidifies
Speaker 1: that defense and they can still get guys and build
Speaker 1: around take, attention just a, touchdown turn out the fuck.
Speaker 2: This amateur, Hour.
Speaker 1: Jesus but, anyway so, YEAH i think it's great For
Speaker 1: Dan quinn and what he wants to. Do you don't
Speaker 1: let a guy like that, leave especially when you're in
Speaker 1: AN nfc title, game you're a one game away from
Speaker 1: a Super. Bowl you don't blow that roster. Up, now
Speaker 1: you just develop, talent maybe trade for some discroner veterans
Speaker 1: who want to get, paid and you fill out that fucking.
Speaker 1: Roster you go on to, run go, go you. Go
Speaker 1: you call Up Davante adams and be, like bring your
Speaker 1: ass To washington Because Jade daniels will be throwing you the.
Speaker 1: Ball i'm, saying, like Imagine Taylor, Scary, Terry Deebo samuel
Speaker 1: on the, Slot Davonte, adams and then they probably draft
Speaker 1: a tight. End definitely gonna pay some old lineman.
Speaker 2: Or draft some old.
Speaker 1: Lineman like The commanders are really in a perfect.
Speaker 2: Spot, yeah, bro all you needed to say was was
Speaker 2: all you need to do is give a quick take
Speaker 2: your tangent because you talked about like three other things
Speaker 2: that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1: Yet know What i'm, Saying like the way they're built
Speaker 1: their roster icketed and like they got competent.
Speaker 2: Veterans look at all the. VETERANS i got, IT i got.
Speaker 2: IT i got the. Point i'm just. Saying it's a.
Speaker 1: Lot it's a great decision and a line of great
Speaker 1: decision making for The commander's.
Speaker 2: Franchise salute to them your teasing. Stuff we're not even
Speaker 2: gonna get to worse Than venom Teasing Spider man and
Speaker 2: never Having Spider man in the whole, trilogy which is
Speaker 2: fucking crazy to think. About only mean that much of
Speaker 2: a tease is kind of Despri, wow the fact that
Speaker 2: we wasted so much time on a great series Of
Speaker 2: venom and liked it and didn't ever Get Spider. Man
Speaker 2: that's fucking.
Speaker 1: Crazy you really wanted to say that he's tied into
Speaker 1: The marvel. Universe?
Speaker 2: Now did you did you watch the last? One? YES i.
Speaker 1: DID i just watched it. Yesterday, okay did you watch
Speaker 1: the First it's? Over they said it's, over it's. Cooked
Speaker 1: did you watch the first?
Speaker 2: Two? THOUGH i literally watched the first two with. YOU
Speaker 2: i literally went to the theaters and watched the first
Speaker 2: two with. You did? You, YES i don't. Remember, YEAH
Speaker 2: i don't know you were. THERE i for sure watched
Speaker 2: the first one with. You i'm pretty SURE i watched
Speaker 2: the second one with.
Speaker 1: You you don't be watching, movies AND i know you
Speaker 1: don't be watching nothing.
Speaker 2: More, YES i do be.
Speaker 1: Watching by the, way youre gonna Watch The punisher because
Speaker 1: it came out, APPARENTLY.
Speaker 2: I Mean Dared devil definitely not what the fuck is
Speaker 2: wrong with? You? Bro he's In. Marvel this is What i'm.
Speaker 2: SAYING i don't watch it just because you have to Watch.
Speaker 2: Marvel it just. Dropped what is it On? Disney watch
Speaker 2: it just because it's it's we're Watching Darren devil together.
Speaker 1: All. Uh, Yeah so the next ONE i was gonna
Speaker 1: get to, was, uh Deebo samuel is getting traded to The.
Speaker 1: Commanders but, yeah BEFORE i, was BEFORE i get to,
Speaker 1: THAT i was gonna say shout out To Bobby wagner
Speaker 1: for being his own fucking.
Speaker 2: Agent he's.
Speaker 1: Done really what from? That and shout out to a
Speaker 1: FUCKING I e. Legend but, yeah back to to What
Speaker 1: Legacy High? School, no he went to call me same,
Speaker 1: ship same Fucking, patriot you know WHAT i man anywhere
Speaker 1: like a four?
Speaker 2: Force, no it's not at. All but you, KNOW i
Speaker 2: don't even know where The Legacy High school. IS i
Speaker 2: don't know either high.
Speaker 1: School it might be A Bishop, montgomery that might be
Speaker 1: that might be a school that sounds like a, school
Speaker 1: but it's not Actually.
Speaker 2: Samore, yeah there you, Go Jesus, christ AND i still hit.
Speaker 2: It let's. Go you definitely. MISSED i still hit THE
Speaker 2: i still hit the BAG i. WAS i wasn't even
Speaker 2: at the. Back so now you're having for the. Bag, wow,
Speaker 2: low very low. Expectations huh, yep all, right uh deevo
Speaker 2: to all, right, Man so touchdown or Turnover kenny first,
Speaker 2: up let's just start with some of the obvious. Cuts
Speaker 2: Joey bossa basically being informed that The chargers are gonna
Speaker 2: let him go in the first day of the new.
Speaker 2: Year touchdown and.
Speaker 1: Turnovers touchdown for the forty nine ers when they put
Speaker 1: The poster brothers.
Speaker 2: Together. FACTS i think that's what we all want to.
Speaker 2: See so let's just make it.
Speaker 1: Happen Plus harker use The niners are they're gonna let him, Walk.
Speaker 1: JULIE i don't know they got a choice because.
Speaker 2: They Got Drake.
Speaker 1: JACKSON i mean we already kind of talked About jovon
Speaker 1: Hark that front seven is a mess, Though, like, yeah for,
Speaker 1: Sure but, yeah, man they're forty nine ers Letting hardgrave
Speaker 1: go touchdown and a turnover touchdown.
Speaker 2: De lin bro they could end up with that six Seven.
Speaker 1: Kentucky de tackle's giving me those vibes because What armstead
Speaker 1: is still?
Speaker 2: There? Right, no he's With.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville oh ship they did get rid of both of,
Speaker 1: them and they have An armstead And. Buckner, yep.
Speaker 2: All, Right Uh Davante adams getting cut by The jay
Speaker 2: that's touchdown and. Turnover.
Speaker 1: Touchdown jacksonville needs a, receiver especially since they cut everybody
Speaker 1: But Brian. Thomas jus, Right, aaron Keep Brian, thomas don't
Speaker 1: don't take hob And.
Speaker 2: Row you were, right you're a. Visionary. Yeah i'm just
Speaker 2: gonna say it's a touchdown For davante because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of teams that.
Speaker 1: Could use the. Services like he's Pretty brisia. Down he
Speaker 1: can fit in a lot of different. Offenses he can
Speaker 1: put anywhere where you have a quarterback who can throw the.
Speaker 1: Ball basically The, texans.
Speaker 2: Even though they never MIND i wait to say that
Speaker 2: one The.
Speaker 1: JAGUARS i, mean The raiders are Cutting gardner mission touchdown or.
Speaker 1: Turnover Thank, god you should have never signed his. Ass
Speaker 1: could Have Michael Pennicks. Jr right, now but, no and quite,
Speaker 1: FRANKLY i would Take Michael Pennicks junior over every quarterback
Speaker 1: in this. Class i'm gonna say it's a touchdown, too
Speaker 1: only because as it was obviously saved them fifteen million,
Speaker 1: dollars which they pretty much used to help keep. Backs so,
Speaker 1: yeah let's say it's a Touchdown, Michael, yeah and they
Speaker 1: might Trade michael may here.
Speaker 2: The eagles re Signed Zach. Baum touched or, turnover that's
Speaker 2: a super.
Speaker 1: Touchdown elite middle linebackers are very hard to come. By
Speaker 1: and it's funny because this dude was always like a
Speaker 1: good linebacker in college out Of, wisconsin but then they
Speaker 1: had him playing, edge and then he was playing the
Speaker 1: edge for the sat he got drafted by The.
Speaker 2: Saints, YEAH i, know.
Speaker 1: And like was playing edge there and it's, like why
Speaker 1: are you playing he wasn't Playing, Yeah it's, like why
Speaker 1: are you play him an?
Speaker 2: Edge?
Speaker 1: Bro he's a middle, Linebacker and then that's why they were.
Speaker 1: Playing like he played middle linebacker for The eagles and
Speaker 1: now looks like one of the best middle linebackers like
Speaker 1: in the. League he's like, Perfect he could play the,
Speaker 1: pass he can play the, run and he brings value
Speaker 1: to that. Position so Like i'm gonna say it's a touchdown,
Speaker 1: Defense i'm gonna say it's a touchdown because The eagles
Speaker 1: have been cycling through linebackers for about twenty. Years even
Speaker 1: though you know they cut Old, boy.
Speaker 2: They're always pulling guys off the. Scrap he drafting guys.
Speaker 2: Late Damn. JEREMY i tried to trying to figure it.
Speaker 2: Out but now you got a. Cornerstone you got a
Speaker 2: couple of other people you can build, around and all
Speaker 2: you have to do is Cut Darius slay to do.
Speaker 2: IT i didn't know that was on the.
Speaker 1: List that's not, fair and haven't stopped ravant. Up WAS
Speaker 1: i supposed to know you were gonna say that that
Speaker 1: was like over a week.
Speaker 2: Ago we haven't had a podcast in two. Weeks, okay
Speaker 2: then don't get mad at. ME i was supposed to
Speaker 2: say that. Anyways you don't even Like Darius.
Speaker 1: Slay, yeah if The raiders shown himself twenty minute dollar,
Speaker 1: contract you be.
Speaker 2: Hot fuck he's exactly making like a million last. Year but,
Speaker 2: yeah The eagles Cut Darius slay And James bradberry touchdown and.
Speaker 1: Turnover Brad. Berry he lucky he Got they. Lucky they
Speaker 1: lucky they like him because they could have cut his
Speaker 1: ass before the. Season as soon as they Drafted Quinon
Speaker 1: mitchell And cooper De john they could have just Cut.
Speaker 1: Bradberry let's just be. Real they won That Super bowl
Speaker 1: because his ass was not on the. Field let's just keep,
Speaker 1: that keep that there for a. Reason, Yeah i'm gonna,
Speaker 1: say do not sign him. Please, Yeah i'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown. TOO i, MEAN i think if anything's
Speaker 1: shown you these past For Super bowl.
Speaker 2: Teams is like you need young corners who can, cover
Speaker 2: like you need young. Corners corner is not an old
Speaker 2: man's position.
Speaker 1: Anymore, see corner may go through like a running back
Speaker 1: phase where it's just like nobody wants to spend money
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 2: Position you're just gonna see you're gonna see a more
Speaker 2: younger guys coming through obsolete Though i'm not saying it's.
Speaker 2: Obsolete What i'm saying is players are gonna be. Looking
Speaker 2: teams are gonna be looking to build around young. Corners
Speaker 2: they're not gonna want to pay corners a fifth of
Speaker 2: their defense if they know they can just get, one
Speaker 2: especially if these dudes are running that. Fast every year,
Speaker 2: speaking you're gonna start seeing a lot more teams streaming
Speaker 2: their corner.
Speaker 1: Position speaking of, paying you're forgetting about the biggest news
Speaker 1: on The eagles that we haven't talked. About WHAT i,
Speaker 1: MEAN i can't say, it go for. It The eagles
Speaker 1: Made saquon the hosh running back in the. League they're
Speaker 1: gonna look for one and a half million dollar contract
Speaker 1: extension or something like. THAT i gave him an extra
Speaker 1: like fifty million.
Speaker 2: Dollars he has a touchdown because obviously he bettered himself
Speaker 2: and paid.
Speaker 1: Off crazy because you said he was gonna be a
Speaker 1: busting out of the. League you say it was. GARBAGE
Speaker 1: i never said.
Speaker 2: That your first ever said the first four years. SAID
Speaker 2: i never said, that you hate. IT i never said.
Speaker 1: THAT i SAID i didn't know if he was a
Speaker 1: gold jacket kind of, guy which is a guy that
Speaker 1: you have to take in the top.
Speaker 2: Five that's WHAT i. Said and then when he was,
Speaker 2: hurt like year, Two year three said he was training
Speaker 2: towards the, bust as did, You and you also said
Speaker 2: the same when you was, Here jacobs was.
Speaker 1: Better before the playoff year you were saying the same.
Speaker 1: Thing you were, like you're kind of, right he is
Speaker 1: kind of looking like a. Bust those were your exact,
Speaker 1: words because that office was dog. Ship those were your
Speaker 1: exact verbata until he got.
Speaker 2: All. Right, anyways moving, on how was it? Right, no
Speaker 2: there's a fucking, line. Bro The browns Restructured watson touchdown
Speaker 2: or turnover the.
Speaker 1: Fact that they're still home forty six million, dollars like
Speaker 1: shout out to his. Agent his agent is a, legend
Speaker 1: like his Agent Kirk. Cousins it's gonna go down in
Speaker 1: The hall Of. Fame like they need to be in economics.
Speaker 1: Classes they need to teach that in elementary.
Speaker 2: School what he.
Speaker 1: Did David, MOUGATY i think that's his. Name he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes.
Speaker 2: Paid you got the. PAID i think.
Speaker 1: He.
Speaker 2: Got he got that man forty six million. Dollars they
Speaker 2: still got to pay. Him, YEAH i MEAN i think
Speaker 2: IT'S i don't think it's a touchdown just, because like you,
Speaker 2: said you had that money you had to pay. Him
Speaker 2: at this, point he's probably looking like your journeyman or
Speaker 2: bridge guy to push your.
Speaker 1: Rookie what a fall from, Grace SO i mean you
Speaker 1: needed a guy on the roster. Anyways why? Not there's
Speaker 1: never been the worst fall off To Deshaun. Watson, no
Speaker 1: not THAT i can think, of because people were really
Speaker 1: talking about him as The Michael jordan quarterback from college from,
Speaker 1: college like bro his fall off was worse than.
Speaker 2: Mcnabs can we just lump all comes into that yeah
Speaker 2: two to at well re signed for ten million dollars
Speaker 2: with The. Rams touchdown and, turnover that's dope. Touchdown he's
Speaker 2: a good number. Two, three he's a good number two To. Pooka,
Speaker 2: Yeah Tyler locker would eat. TOGETHER i think it's a touchdown,
Speaker 2: too only because it's only a one year. Commitment so
Speaker 2: you kind of see how he does With cooper cup now.
Speaker 2: Out he's basically gonna be the number two.
Speaker 1: Receiver he stepped up last year when they needed him
Speaker 1: With pooka and cup, out so especially you just kind
Speaker 1: of hope he can build on.
Speaker 2: That but either, way like it's a good bet on.
Speaker 2: HIMSELF i think The jaguars Traded Christian kirk within the
Speaker 2: division to The texans for a seventh round. Pick touchdown and.
Speaker 1: Turnover we're gonna look back and realize this man was
Speaker 1: a catalyst for all these receivers getting paid stupid. Contracts
Speaker 1: it really was like he got his bread and he
Speaker 1: got traded to a team with a better quarterback and
Speaker 1: a better.
Speaker 2: Offense how did? That how Did Colik kingsbury fuck up
Speaker 2: all Those arizona people being At? Arizona, like how did
Speaker 2: you fuck that? Up? Bro? Like how did you not
Speaker 2: keep a? Son raddick And Christian kirk they're both From.
Speaker 2: Arizona Bro like they. Left like that's just crazy for
Speaker 2: me to think. About, Yeah millick hasn't gotten paid. Yet,
Speaker 2: STILL i know it's. Crazy Jamal williams got cut from The.
Speaker 2: Saints touchdown and. Turnover he had one great. Year, yeah seventeen.
Speaker 1: Touchdowns it didn't average four yards to.
Speaker 2: CARRY i hope he still gets to do just for
Speaker 2: the just for the. CULTURE i hope he gets a
Speaker 2: deal for The.
Speaker 1: Raiders he's gonna end up on The. RAIDERS i hope
Speaker 1: he just ends up with a team any other. Ones
Speaker 1: Trey hendrickson can look for a. Trade touchdown or turnover
Speaker 1: you Already gonda talked about.
Speaker 2: IT i forgot the biggest. One, actually but, Yeah mike Or,
Speaker 2: yeah he wanted to.
Speaker 1: Trade he wanted. Out they were't gonna pay me at
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half sacks this. Year they also Gave Jermaine.
Speaker 2: Pratt. Uh he wanted to get permission to get traded
Speaker 2: to look for a trade as. Well he asked for
Speaker 2: that like two weeks. AGO i think, no but they
Speaker 2: granted it to him till they finally gave it to. Him,
Speaker 2: YEAH i just think it's crazy, BECAUSE i, mean two
Speaker 2: years ago they were looking like a dynasty and now
Speaker 2: potential we don't even know what they are. Crazy all
Speaker 2: we know is they're gonna Have Jamar chase And Joe
Speaker 2: burrow and, honestly that still might be A Boles murphy. Idea,
Speaker 2: yeah still might be. Enough, YEAH i got a young.
Speaker 1: Defense but also they got to keep they gotta keep
Speaker 1: The Nebraska Tayleum Taylor, britt Cam Taylor. Britt they gotta
Speaker 1: keep him locked. Up they gotta keep. Him, Also, uh
Speaker 1: The vikings didn't franchise Tag Sam, darnald so he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a free.
Speaker 2: AGENT i, MEAN i think that was always gonna. HAPPEN i,
Speaker 2: MEAN i know O'Connell doubled down and said he was
Speaker 2: a part of the, organization but it's, like you have
Speaker 2: to you can only devote so many resources to the quarterback,
Speaker 2: position and if he's the kind of quarterback whisper they
Speaker 2: say they, are then you have to go all over.
Speaker 1: McCarthy he's gonna go back and try to redo A
Speaker 1: Daniel jones Or Jimmy garoppolo or any other one of
Speaker 1: these reclamation projects he'll bring.
Speaker 2: In jamis should be good for that locker. Round we
Speaker 2: already kind of talked about it earlier, too BUT dk
Speaker 2: requested the trade officially touchdown or turn.
Speaker 1: On thirty million a. Year that's a, turnover, bro who's
Speaker 1: gonna pay you thirty million a?
Speaker 2: Year you should have just been quiet Medcal, no he's. Not,
Speaker 2: yeah you've been hating on. Him IF i. Have IF i,
Speaker 2: had you been hating on him since the because.
Speaker 1: Because he guy's no, JAIL i would put him at tight.
Speaker 1: End and even when he was liked for him was
Speaker 1: living like a top eight, receiver you were like quietly
Speaker 1: hate on it because he's inconsistent jolly runner four three,
Speaker 1: three that's, great but you have no, chili strong as ship.
Speaker 1: COMPLAINING i was just put his ass at tight end
Speaker 1: and just let him run underneath routs all. Day he
Speaker 1: doesn't consistently beat press. Coverage alexander, like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys who have not helped themselves think they're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Traded and this dude ain't worth thirty, million which is.
Speaker 1: CRAZY i don't know who told him he's worth thirty
Speaker 1: million a. Year i'd rather give tomonte thirty million a.
Speaker 1: Year just give him one hundred and twenty catches a
Speaker 1: year at, LEAST i know he'll. Produce If fonte. Produces
Speaker 1: you still had a thousand yards between two teams, too,
Speaker 1: sorry ass. TEAMS i think like nine touchdowns that's the
Speaker 1: key there. Too, sorry it could have had like fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns this. Year he only had one touchdown with The
Speaker 1: raiders and they got like eight with The jets or
Speaker 1: some shit like.
Speaker 2: That all, right last, ONE i think once you can
Speaker 2: think of any check your. List But Jimmy johnson retired
Speaker 2: from broadcasting, touchdown, turnover touchdown. MAN i didn't.
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i was born in ninety, two SO i didn't
Speaker 1: Follow Jimmy johnson like. That but just seeing THE u
Speaker 1: and watching all the documentaries on all the stuff he.
Speaker 1: Did but like really, Him Harry Howie, Long Kurt, menefee.
Speaker 2: They were like.
Speaker 1: They were like The they were like the old UNCLES
Speaker 1: i didn't KNOW i. Needed they were like father figures
Speaker 1: in football to, me watching them and listening to their
Speaker 1: expertise and sometimes Watching Jimmy johnson And Terry bradshaw go
Speaker 1: at each. Other Terry bradshaw always fucking With Jimmy, Jimmy
Speaker 1: jimmy crashed.
Speaker 2: Out it was.
Speaker 1: Funny, well it's just really, dope but it's also sad
Speaker 1: because it's, like, damn these guys are all going to.
Speaker 2: Retire SO i know it definitely how he, Might howie
Speaker 2: and Straight ahead will be around.
Speaker 1: Longer it definitely ages you thinking about, that like thinking
Speaker 1: about how we've seen them age.
Speaker 2: Just in the broadcast for, real and that's really like
Speaker 2: their second career is. Crazy third career he has. Crazy
Speaker 2: and on that same, NOTE i feel like Man terry
Speaker 2: had like that whole health hang a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Ago he's had a couple like slips that he, said Like,
Speaker 2: JIMMY i, mean he's just he sometimes just, Looks, oh
Speaker 2: he just looks like, tired like he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: energy that he used. To LIKE i, remember like twenty years,
Speaker 2: ago like he was just radiant On, fox like he
Speaker 2: would just sucked you in like every time he, talked
Speaker 2: and you, know more, recently it's like he's just kind of.
Speaker 2: There AND i, MEAN i think.
Speaker 1: That's what you could say about that whole group because,
Speaker 1: honestly like that group was kind of like the inside
Speaker 1: THE nba team for THE nfl in terms of like
Speaker 1: they all kind of played at the same. Time they
Speaker 1: all kind of, played had different, approaches different. Positions you,
Speaker 1: know they were all kind of, rivals so they all
Speaker 1: kind of took those like jabs at each, other but
Speaker 1: they were all really knowledgeable and. Insightful the difference is
Speaker 1: obviously being On. Fox being in, broadcast you have a
Speaker 1: lot less leeway AND. TNT i, mean the way they
Speaker 1: produce that show is they kind of don't produce, it
Speaker 1: like that's kind of the whole. Thing but you can't
Speaker 1: really do that with broadcasts just because the stakes are
Speaker 1: a lot. Higher you, know the ads got to be
Speaker 1: a lot, tighter you got to get in and out
Speaker 1: of things a lot tighter because you, know with cable
Speaker 1: you're talking about you, know millions of dollars hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars for as.
Speaker 2: Spots with broadcasts you're talking about tens of. Millions, so you,
Speaker 2: know think just a higher. Stake but, yeah, man shout
Speaker 2: out To. Jimmy yeah he's. SHIT i mean you say three.
Speaker 2: CAREER i, mean we don't even talk about what you
Speaker 2: did In, Miami.
Speaker 1: LIKE i was talking About, MIAMI i, KNOW i, know
Speaker 1: but he Was Actually i'm just saying like he was
Speaker 1: a hooper in his.
Speaker 2: Product but What i'm saying is, like we don't even,
Speaker 2: like you, know that's not even like the first thing
Speaker 2: we think About miami is like the third thing we
Speaker 2: think of about when we think about, him ship fourth.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah so it's, crazy but, yeah, man shout out To.
Speaker 1: Jimmy his coaching tree is crazy.
Speaker 2: Too anything else you want to? Say thinks about? It
Speaker 2: do you check your? List we didn't miss, any Said Sam.
Speaker 1: Darnold probably a couple, more but it's.
Speaker 2: Touch on next week where you could just unlock your
Speaker 2: phone on the.
Speaker 1: List let me see That's Alex.
Speaker 2: Kappa there you. Go, SEE i knew there was one.
Speaker 2: Woman even though he left the league holding. Penalties Alex
Speaker 2: kappa got cut by The, bengals which we alluded, to
Speaker 2: but The raiders signed up for a two, year eleven
Speaker 2: million dollar.
Speaker 1: Contract touchdowneratun over H it's Only anna touchdown because he
Speaker 1: fits more of what The raiders offense is gonna. Do
Speaker 1: he wasn't really a fit for The. Bengals that was
Speaker 1: like he's like a. Bully he's LIKE Jp, jay like
Speaker 1: he's gonna bully. Guys, yeah to be the greatest in past. Protection,
Speaker 1: now to be, FAIR i, MEAN i think that is
Speaker 1: what We what we said when the signing happened was,
Speaker 1: like we get. It you want to build Around Joe,
Speaker 1: burrow you want to get more bodies in front of
Speaker 1: but it doesn't exactly fit what you want to. DO i,
Speaker 1: mean he went a ring With brady and and speak
Speaker 1: at with The, buccaneers so that obviously made.
Speaker 2: SENSE i don't love the, money but it's not bad.
Speaker 2: MONEY i, mean five years for a potential starting guard
Speaker 2: is not. Bad and in theory he can play both
Speaker 2: guards and maybe even a little bit of, tackle BUT
Speaker 2: i wouldn't want to see him at, Tackle so it's
Speaker 2: it's not a bad.
Speaker 1: Signing he's a guy that our our Friend ray has
Speaker 1: always loved due to his humebolt tize.
Speaker 2: On Bulch.
Speaker 1: State BUT i THINK i think, again WHERE i get
Speaker 1: lost is like he's off his worst season and you
Speaker 1: signed it.
Speaker 2: Instantly, yeah they're better, guys and, honestly.
Speaker 1: In tier offensive lineman is probably like the four strongest
Speaker 1: position on the, team so it's kind of an access
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: Point but my takeaway from it, is you, Know james
Speaker 2: might not just be, gone But parham might be gone as.
Speaker 2: Well james should have been, Gone parham might be gone to.
Speaker 1: Trade James parham And Michael may here. Together all, right
Speaker 1: let's wrap up rants what you got to.
Speaker 2: Say oh, yeah blessed to see thirty Three, marian her
Speaker 2: birthday just. Past she's almost.
Speaker 1: Seventy it's, crazy like that woman taught me how to
Speaker 1: read and, Write like my mom was always, there but
Speaker 1: like my Aunt Mary anne was an extension of, that
Speaker 1: like when they say it takes a, Village like my,
Speaker 1: grandma my grandfather before he, died My Aunt, maryanne My
Speaker 1: Aunt gi and my, mom like those four women are
Speaker 1: like the core of.
Speaker 2: What raised. Me and.
Speaker 1: You, Know i'm just thankful they're still. Here my grandma's
Speaker 1: birthdays on the twentieth of this. Month heicey. GANG i
Speaker 1: think that's why me and my aunt and my grandma
Speaker 1: get along so, well because we're all the same. Time
Speaker 1: it's just funny because like my, grandma my mom and
Speaker 1: my two, aunts like they'll bring up STUFF i did
Speaker 1: as a child THAT i do not. Remember my grandma
Speaker 1: about to be eighty, five and she still get mad
Speaker 1: at me. Sometimes she, SAID i remember you did something
Speaker 1: as a, kid AND i just LIKE i couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: It have me dumbfound It and now my Nephew isaiah
Speaker 1: and his Brother nicholas are out here doing stuff and
Speaker 1: just putting my younger Sister chelsea through. It it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Funny shout out to my, mom shout out to. Everybody,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm just kind of enjoying it's time. Period, YEAH
Speaker 1: i definitely can't wait to see Dared devil, because, Yeah,
Speaker 1: pete the fact that you have not, watched like they
Speaker 1: Canceled daredevil and brought it, back, Bro like people fought
Speaker 1: for that, show and now After Captain, america you're gonna
Speaker 1: need a show Like, Daredevil Like Captain american honestly could have.
Speaker 2: Killed venom and the fucking and Fucking wolverine. Movie like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of treatment they gave. Him m you
Speaker 2: don't really killing him even, though like you know What i'm,
Speaker 2: Saying like they're clearly moving away from. It they left
Speaker 2: the piece of him and they laughed enough that they
Speaker 2: can go to. It but at least this version Of venom.
Speaker 1: As we, KNOW i need to See Tom holland in
Speaker 1: A venom suit because it's, Like, bro you lost your,
Speaker 1: girl you lost your fine ass until you lost your whole.
Speaker 1: LIFE i need you to want to kill somebody who
Speaker 1: like all those sacrifice like people talk about Iron. Man
Speaker 1: bro if Iron man can come back As Doctor, DOOM
Speaker 1: i need Black Suit tom holland.
Speaker 2: CRAZY i need him to like see Green.
Speaker 1: Goblin's, face just mark out a villain because we all
Speaker 1: Know craven. SUCKED i don't gonna watch that ship.
Speaker 2: All are you? Done? Yeah all. Right the past couple of,
Speaker 2: Weeks i've been interviewing for, jobs and yesterday somebody asked
Speaker 2: me WHERE i got my WHERE i got my passion for,
Speaker 2: sports since that was clear in my. Resume, IRONICALLY i told,
Speaker 2: them you, know this past week we found out that
Speaker 2: for a long, time over twenty, Years around The horn
Speaker 2: was gonna be. Canceled and that's really where it's all
Speaker 2: kind of started for. ME i, MEAN i remember coming
Speaker 2: home second and third, grade you, know two thirty three,
Speaker 2: o'clock turning To around The horn AND pti on the
Speaker 2: second run ON Espn news BECAUSE i missed the first
Speaker 2: run at two and two, thirty AND i would just
Speaker 2: sit there and watch, it AND i was captivated by.
Speaker 2: IT i was captivated by the generalists ability to really
Speaker 2: kind of formulate an, opinion you, know gather all these different,
Speaker 2: facts share their different experiences and just interact with each.
Speaker 2: Other and something THAT i just held in the highest.
Speaker 2: Regard and THEN, PTI i MEAN pti really started, it
Speaker 2: But around The, horn you, know took it to a different.
Speaker 2: LEVEL i won't say another, level but a different level
Speaker 2: in terms of.
Speaker 1: Not just having the same two, people but bringing in
Speaker 1: people from all across the.
Speaker 2: Country and to be, honest like it put my favorite
Speaker 2: writers in front of. Me you, know whether it Was
Speaker 2: Max kellerman who eventually would move on To Fox sports
Speaker 2: and then come, back but he was really the he
Speaker 2: was really the original. HOST i Mean Ja, donde a
Speaker 2: guy who ended up moving To, academia but really put
Speaker 2: on for The West. COAST i mean the The Ja
Speaker 2: donde lounge that he would do when he, Won like
Speaker 2: that was my favorite. Shit like was just so, smooth
Speaker 2: cool and cool and. COLLECTED i, mean you Had Bill
Speaker 2: plasky just being all over the fucking, place but really
Speaker 2: bringing in that historian. PERSPECTIVE i Mean Woody, PAGE i
Speaker 2: mean it's Just Woody, page. Bro like the fact that
Speaker 2: he's still doing that fucking.
Speaker 1: Show like people Forget Woody page was the Original Skip,
Speaker 1: Bayless like they Put woody Against skip Fucking, bayless And
Speaker 1: Woody page was doing in that cold pizza he was
Speaker 1: doing on the horn and he was still riding a, daily,
Speaker 1: weekly daily column whatever the.
Speaker 2: Fuck so, yeah, man seeing that really just appealed to.
Speaker 1: Me, FORTUNATELY i, mean like most of, you like most of,
Speaker 1: US i don't have cable anymore, though SO i haven't
Speaker 1: been watching it. REGULARLY i haven't been watching it outside
Speaker 1: of whenever the fuck it's on When i'm at a
Speaker 1: bar randomly at fucking two or three, o'clock or when
Speaker 1: they play it at, night or When i'm staying in a.
Speaker 2: Hotel SO i get WHY i had to be. CANCELED i,
Speaker 2: mean they tried to revamp it like five years. Ago
Speaker 2: they added all these you, know extra different visual, elements
Speaker 2: and they tried to make it a little bit cooler and,
Speaker 2: faster AND i, mean to some extent it kind of.
Speaker 2: Worked but at the end of the, day the medium
Speaker 2: is the, message and TV's just dying and print has been,
Speaker 2: dying so it's not the same because you're not pulling
Speaker 2: in the same people from all over the, country, right
Speaker 2: these different newspapers you're pulling in these people that are
Speaker 2: writing FOR, espn and it's really just kind of becomes
Speaker 2: a promotional tool FOR espn at this, point WHICH i
Speaker 2: mean it always kind of, was but NOW i think
Speaker 2: just with the state of where media, is it's it's
Speaker 2: even more. So and then you add the fact that
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys have their own podcasts and
Speaker 2: their own YouTube channels and their own social media channels
Speaker 2: where they're already just rattling off.
Speaker 1: Opinion it's, LIKE i don't need another thirty minutes for
Speaker 1: you to rattle off an. Opinion and THEN espn is
Speaker 1: just so hyper. Opinion it's, like you, KNOW i don't
Speaker 1: need this extra thirty. Block like it's gotten to the,
Speaker 1: point it got to the point where there's so much
Speaker 1: opinion ON. Espn it's Like around The horn is like
Speaker 1: the one credible show that you watch to get non,
Speaker 1: opinion but it's actually an argument opinionated. Show so it's
Speaker 1: like that's just kind of the fucked up state of
Speaker 1: where media. Is but, NONETHELESS i just wanted to give
Speaker 1: a eulogy To around The.
Speaker 2: Horn i'm gonna trying to watch it over these next
Speaker 2: couple of months before it's canceled In, may but hell
Speaker 2: of a run changed my, life impacted a lot of
Speaker 2: people THAT i, know And i'm grateful for. IT i
Speaker 2: always remember, it and, yeah that's. It, peace