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Softcore History, we are talking about, in my opinion, in

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my totally unbiased and completely neutral opinion, the most important

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battle in American history, A battle that forever changed the

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trajectory about the United States of America and the world.

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A battle that was so important that we should honor

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these people and again, in my humble, unbiased opinion, their descendants.

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I don't want to spoil the battle before we get

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into the episode, so without further ado, let's talk about

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this battle.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to soft Core History.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am

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your host, Rob Fox, joined as always by Dan Register.

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Speaker 2: You look lovely today, Rob do? What yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why are you saying that? Well?

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Speaker 2: You got rosy cheeks, you got your backwards Wyoming State

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Penitentiary prison hat, and then you got what shirt is that?

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It's a Saint Louis, Missouri sweatshirt.

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Speaker 1: It's Emo's pizza.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's E's pizza. Yeah, some of the finest cuisine

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in all the lands.

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Speaker 1: Some would say the best style of pizza that was

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ever created.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just you that says that, but I'll

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give it to you today.

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Speaker 1: No, it's me and a bunch of other homers today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dan's very excited because he didn't lose a lot of

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money right before this show started. We started production about

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forty minutes later than we needed to because his golfer

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that he bet on today tonight ave bought a playoff. Yeah,

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you're just sitting there watching.

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Speaker 2: I know this is evergreen content, but Nick Taylor will

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whatever be in my heart. So that's like the third

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time he's bailed me out of a huge hole.

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Speaker 1: No, it's evergreen because he'll probably do it again.

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Speaker 2: Nick Taylor will always bail me out.

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Speaker 1: And it's evergreen because you'll always be in a hole.

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Speaker 2: I'll never dig myself out, So I'm very good at

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putting myself in the hole.

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Speaker 1: In many ways, that is an evergreen part of this show. Yeah,

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there are so many nights where we'll literally just be like, hey,

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we had started late today because Dan was waiting on

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a bet to hit or loose, well, yeah, or not hit.

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And I was actually saying before the show started that

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it would have been better if he lost, because nobody

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likes to laugh with a winner.

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Speaker 2: I said, either way, it's gonna be a good show

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because I'm goody, hyped up.

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Speaker 1: You might as well have done a thousand pumps of cocade.

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Like the amount of energy you are bringing to this

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show right now is.

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Speaker 2: It's honestly better than winning the bet, like winning money,

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digging yourself out, Like you win the bet and you

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get no financial return physically except that you no longer

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owe another man money.

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Speaker 1: That's why Rocky won is the best Rocky way. It

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goes a distance. You went the distance with your bookie today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole week, this whole week, we're going back

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and forth, losing five hundred dollars here, losing five hundred

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dollars there. But guess what a little fifty dollars bet

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saved it all, wipes it clean.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, what a day, What a day. Well, you

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know what, today we're talking about another uh, another epic

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battle love this like with the one that goes on

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between you and your bookie every single week.

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Speaker 2: Some it hasn't been much of a battle, honestly, almost

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a Dan genocide, yeah, a slaughter, yeah.

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Speaker 1: A wounded knee if you will. It is funny when

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people that it is technically called the Battle of Wounded Kney.

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that we're that it's called the Battle of Wounded Knee,

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know what happened to wounded knee. I

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just know it was a slaughter, A slaughter one way.

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Speaker 1: Then you do know what happened?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't that a colonel Colonel Mustard?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Colonel Mustard with the Cavalry Division in the Dakotas.

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Speaker 2: So what happened to wounded knee?

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Speaker 1: A fucking massacre bye, by the US cavalry against the

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fucking Sioux Dakota. I don't remember who cares. It was

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James Forsyth, which I had to look up. I didn't

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know that Jude.

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Speaker 2: With the candlestick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with the cavalry. But anyway, it was kind

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of a like, I think in part, like a revenge thing,

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like they were like for coaster. Custer is a fucking douchebag,

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but he was a great Civil War leader, fought for

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the Union. So really, can you can you call Custer

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a bad guy for help for you the slaves? Sure

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he did some stuff after, but I think he's I

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think he gets he's like you.

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Speaker 2: He battled God to a draw, some highs and lows,

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some back and forth, and yeah, you're essentially neutral.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He played a big part in not a big part,

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but an integral part in Gettysburg, which we're also not

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talking about today.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about today?

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Speaker 1: One of the most important battles in American history.

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Speaker 2: I like that you're getting zened up for this too.

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Speaker 1: A battle that, if it had gone the other way,

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may have changed American and thus world history forever. A

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battle so severe that its consequences are never discussed today.

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It's a forgotten battle, But this battle might have been,

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aren't they all one of the most eventually essentially yeah,

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but this one was forgotten, Like from the jump. If

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this battle went the.

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Speaker 2: Other percentage of battles you think are remembered that we have.

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Speaker 1: By name less than one percent.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be less than one percent. Think of

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all the Chinese battles we never talked about. We're millions

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of people die.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look we're written they're written down, but we

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don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, nobody says them by name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but no Chinese guy is like, oh, yeah, the

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Battle of Hastings really changed the course of English history.

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Fair they don't know what the Battle of Hastings is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Agin Court they don't know what Asin Court is.

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It stands to the test of time. It screams into

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the I.

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Speaker 1: Mean maybe if they watched the Chalame movie, but that's

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Netflix China.

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Speaker 2: I bet they do. I bet they have. Agin Court

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wouldn't defend China.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't carry They woll no, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're like, look it's Chalamay and Pat Pattinson.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know this for sure, but it

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wouldn't surprise me if Chinese propaganda history in the CCP

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was like like laughed at our pathetic little wars, you

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know what I mean, Like, oh, the American Civil War

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was so bloody, six hundred dozen people dude, look up

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pothetic and weak they are.

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Speaker 2: Whatever they're trying to stunt an all woman unit that

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marches in sync, Like what are you North Korea? You're

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better than that China?

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Speaker 1: Also, who cares about marching and sync? What a funny

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little tidbit of World War two trivia is that the

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Germans were obviously good in sync marchers as well, very

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very sharp looking army, the Nazi army, and when they

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left Paris saying, you know, marched out of Paris whatever.

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of just like the sharp ass army all right as well,

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put together army, and you know they're waiting for the

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Americans to come in, and they're like, man, these guys

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must be just like crack motherfuckers the way they beat

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the Germans. Like these must be like absolute, like stunningly

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disciplined soldiers.

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Speaker 2: There was a bunch of dudes from like Appalachia, Dude.

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Speaker 1: The American army just like walks in like fucking hobos,

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like just beat up looking at I mean, but like

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that's just how we work. As we're just a little

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more improvisational, a little less concerned with appearances, more concerned

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with results, you know what I mean. But they saw

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the American soldiers come in and they're like, huh, is

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it a guy? These guys did it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You want a grimy, tough motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if he's clean. Shit, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're good at marching.

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Speaker 2: Sweet, You're in a march in sink and you're get

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shot and sink.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, this battle, though humongous like consequences that

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reverberated throughout history, could have changed the entire course of

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Western civilization and global civilization. But no one talks about it.

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And we're here today too. I think both honor the

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people that fought in that battle, the brave, brave people,

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and there I think we should honor even their descendants

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in a way.

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Speaker 2: So the left turn here is these are monsters.

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Speaker 1: No, No, we owe a debt to these people and

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in a way to their descendants as well.

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Speaker 2: I think, who are we talking about today? Rob?

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Speaker 1: I speak, of course, of the Battle of Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: That's why you're wearing your Emo sweatshirt. It all makes

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sense now, it's all coming together. We'll let you have this. Yeah, Yeah,

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the Battle of Saint Louis. We already talked about the

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Olympics in Saint Louis, talked about a lot of SAT

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nineteen oh four.

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Speaker 1: The Limp Mansion in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Many say, not only is this a Catholic podcast, but

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it's also a Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: Especially now the Jake's gone. It's really fifty to fifty.

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I mean it's actually fitting too, because you're all birds doubt.

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I never really talked about Philly much. What's there talk

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about Delco? What's there talking about on birds doele We

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just got the dub. Nothing really happened in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing of importance in this country. Now. When I

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was home for the break, I went and did my

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fourth grade field trip all over again. I saw the

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Liberty Bell, I saw Independence Hall. Yeah, dude, you.

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Speaker 1: Were taking tourist around where Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I was taking my friend Shay and her kid.

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Speaker 1: To see where freedom was invented.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Not the French, now, Greece, not none of that.

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Speaker 1: It was in Philadelphia. So this was a battle in

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one of in a big war. This was a revolutionary

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war battle which revolution the American Revolution. We were in

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Saint Louis by the Saint Louis pre dates the United States.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know it was established like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saint Louis was founded about twenty years before the

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American Revolution.

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Speaker 2: Now was independence kind of on equal scale as Saint Louis.

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What do you mean independence Missouri?

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Speaker 1: No, not at this point. No, there wasn't anything like that, just.

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Speaker 2: A couple trading posts.

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis was just a trading post at this point.

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So let me take you back to pre revolution Saint Louis.

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It's a small town, it's a trade it's really trading

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post on the Mississippi River, just set up for because

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fur trading is the big, you know, industry in the North,

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and a lot of easy way to get it out

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to the ocean is to just get it over to

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the Missippi River, take it all the way down to

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New Orleans, pop it out back to you.

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Speaker 2: Also, kind of going back to your earlier comment about

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how the French were unimpressed with Americans kind of rich

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coming from them. If you ever saw like seventeen hundred,

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eighteen hundred frenchmen that were just all about Canada and

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the US, those dirty, dirty fur trappers.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, god, Canadian fur trappers, just the day center,

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the crossest people. Possibly they weren't sending their best.

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Speaker 2: I think those might have been just like French prisoners

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they released.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans was, by the way, French prisoners. New Orleans

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was literally the Australia of America for the French. Yeah,

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history of New Orland, especially the Ghost Tour, They'll tell

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you a quick history neworld and they're yeah, it's Australia.

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Speaker 2: They portray it very accurately in all the historical movies too,

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like The Revenant, uh, the New Predator Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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with the natives, I think it's called Prey. But they

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showed the French trappers and the like the grossest people

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in the filthy motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: So Saint Louis just a rough and rowdy trading post

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on the Mississippi River, real shithole back then. I think,

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just like Deadwood, but one hundred years earlier.

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Speaker 2: Again, I've only seen the movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I think season one Deadwood, but one hundred

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years earlier, just lawless, full of hookers, and booze and

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gambling Westworld. Yeah, but one hundred years earlier, okay, and

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not even as nice as that one bar in Westworld

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where they all get the hookers, Like in the first episode.

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Speaker 2: Not a rough and tumble going on where that chick's.

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Speaker 1: Like, know, ain't put a rhine on you or whatever

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she says.

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Speaker 2: Were they getting into uh fisticuffs where they were trying

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to spoon each other's eyes out? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Probably, I mean it was a fucking gnarly town. Like

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you you probably lived in Saint Louis at this point,

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specifically because you didn't want to be fully part of civilization,

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but you still wanted to be like around other people,

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make a little money on the side, yeah type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we have like a lawless place in this

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country for like former criminals to go. We should kind

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of like gate off an entire state for that kind

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of ship off the homeless kind of send.

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Speaker 1: I know, now everywhere gets resettled by rich people, Like

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rich people go to Wyoming or Austin.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, I guess kind of like the top

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of Idaho is like where we send these people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can just cut off the top of

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Idaho and send them.

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Speaker 2: The top of Idaho should just strictly be for people

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with a record, like that's you. You know how I

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used to have to show a vaccine passport to get

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into restaurants and stuff in certain states. Yeah, in order

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to get to the top of Idaho, you have to

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show your criminal record.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's got to be serious. It can be

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a misdemeanor, but it's got to be a gnarly misdemeanor.

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Speaker 2: No, it should be something that prevents you from going

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to the country of Canada.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that could be any do uy? Okay? Yeah?

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Do you why perfect you? When I was one of

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my first jobs out of college was marketing for a

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law firm and one of the UH there was it

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was a bankruptcy firm, but they also had a traffic

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UH division or whatever, and I would do SEO marketing

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for both of them. I'd after like write blogs and

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shit and UH are like tagline or one of our

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taglines for DUIs is like DUI is the worst crime

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that good people commit.

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Speaker 2: Good man can get drunk one night. Yeah, you know,

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maybe his wife's giving him the business back home, he's

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out with the boys blowing some steam off, had one

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too many, gets the keys. He's like, I've done this

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a dozen times.

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Speaker 1: Fan, I'm fan.

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Speaker 2: And the cars drive themselves at this point it's got

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a newer car. I know, give me a way mow

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the self dry. Having cars seems like a short distance thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a city thing for sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm not driving by highway too.

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Speaker 1: It's weird.

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Speaker 2: Also, what happens if they hit me?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the why I report that to They

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kill you and keep good? Yeah, they eliminate you.

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Speaker 2: A gun comes out of the back of the trunk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just pops here. It's the last episode of

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Breaking Bad. It's just a white Yeah. So at the time,

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people think of Saint Louis as a French city. Was

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founded by the French, but at the time it was

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under Spanish control.

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Speaker 2: So I actually rode for the French.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: On crime Corner the other day, why, I was just saying,

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they got a bad rap man. The French and us

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there are long lost. Maybe a cousin, Yeah, I think

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a cousin, But like a cousin you're really cool with,

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or you should be cool.

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Speaker 1: Your older cousin. That kind of corrupts you a little.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he got involved in a little too many drugs.

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Speaker 1: Or your cousin, Like, you see him and you're like, oh,

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I could have been him, got.

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Speaker 2: Addicted to some like painkillers. Your parents are always like

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you gotta you gotta avoid him at all costs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, I, he's fine.

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Speaker 2: But like whenever you hang out here, it's a good time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, dude, Steve's cool.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with Steve?

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Speaker 1: What's wrong cousin Stevie?

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Speaker 2: He might be drolling on himself on the cow.

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Speaker 1: He said that bitch lied. He said that bitch was

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a liar. That was exact words, Bob. And she's like,

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you are nine years old, yeah, yeah, and Stevie is thirty.

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This is a big family.

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Speaker 2: He's a cool dude. I mean, look at how many

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women he gets. Sure he has to pay for him, and.

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Speaker 1: Sure a lot of them are liars according to him.

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Speaker 2: But sorry, he's a truth teller. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Saint Louis at this time, even though it's a

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French found a city under Spanish control. This is because

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France founded Saint Louis but was getting absolutely worked by

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the British in the War of eight or in the

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Seven Years War aka the French and Indian War. So

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France is like, oh, we're gonna get fucked and if

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and we fucking hate the British, if we still control

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the Louisiana territory, which when you think of the Louisiana territory,

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you think of basically the Louisiana purchase right starts at Louisiana,

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but then just get huge, huge, huge all the way out.

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So the French are like, we don't want England to

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have this. Fuck that, so they work on a secret

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deal to seed all their territory west of the Mississippi

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to Spain through the Treaty of fonton Blue in seventeen

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sixty two.

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Speaker 2: I think you nailed that pronunciation. So that's another cool

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thing about the French. It just sounds like they're always

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blowing someone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in their mouth always.

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Speaker 2: Uh, cigarette, peanuts, cheese.

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Speaker 1: Soft cheese, hard cheese, doesn't matter. So they're like, we're

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gonna give it to the Spanish because fuck, fuck the British,

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and this will make the British even more powerful than

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they already are. So they still do lose regions they

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lose like Canada and shit like that, because the Spanish

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have no ability to even control Canada, but the Spanish

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do have some ability to get to New Orleans and

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the other parts of Louisian territory.

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Speaker 2: And Canada being part of Spain. I mean, yeah, right,

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that's that just doesn't sit right with me.

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Speaker 1: Well, good, I have good news.

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Speaker 2: It didn't happen, never happened now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they do so Spain gets to the Louisiana territory.

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This is why the Spanish flag is one of the

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flags at six Flags Saint Louis If that's why. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, when we bought the Louisiana purchase, did Spain have

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an issue with that? I'd imagine no.

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Speaker 1: They gave it back to France a few years before

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Louisiana purchase.

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Speaker 2: I was like, uh, did they sell land? So I

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think what happened didn't own. I don't totally know exactly.

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Did we get ill gotten goods?

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Speaker 1: Who cares? But I think what happened was Napoleon essentially

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took over Spain in his wars. Yeah, and then was like, hey,

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Louisiana's ours again. And then three years later, I believe

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it was like three years later, was like, oh god,

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I need money and sold Spain or sold the Louisian

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territory to.

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Speaker 2: Too, mainly because shit was popping off in Haiti and

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he's like, this is a headache. Yeah, no, thank you,

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I'm good.

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Speaker 1: So in seventeen sixty five, Spain begins to officially govern

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the region a couple of years. It took a couple

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of years to get everything in, but England can't get

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their hands on it. Fourteen years later, Spain enters the

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American Revolution on the side of the colonies seventeen seventy nine.

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Spain's official entrance into the war essentially made anything Spain

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owned up for grabs on the New World Continent, on

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the North American continent. Right, so, Florida, the Louisiana Territory.

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England's like, fuck, Spain's in the war. But if we

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can win, we can jack a lot of their shit,

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maybe all.

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Speaker 2: Of their shit opportunity. Yes, if we pull this off,

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like we should right, like where the you know, we're

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fucking brightness one thousand favored to win this. Yeah, we're

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getting some more lamb boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So New Orleans, Florida, Saint Louis, All this shit

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is now on the playing board for the British, and

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at this point the British controlled everything, including the colonies,

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like in North America, like in the continental United States, well,

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you know, is the continent of the United States. The

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British owned everything up to the Mississippi River, not Florida,

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not Florida, but everything else. Yeah, well Spanish Florida actually

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goes all the way to New Orleans over that, but

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like north of that and to the Missipy River. They

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they own that shit, right, so they want to take

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more stuff. They want to control the Mississippi River Valley.

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I don't necessarily think they're concerned with what would become

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Montana one day, although they obviously want that too, But

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they want to control the Mississippi River Valley, especially because

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that's a fucking super highway in the middle of the continent,

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the Mississippi River.

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Speaker 2: They really wanted that. Wyoming and Montana lamb because they're

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like the aristocrats, the rich. They need a place to

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get away, they need a vacation home.

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Speaker 1: They need to ski, they need to invent skiing and.

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Speaker 2: Then go ski didn't have ski back then, they probably did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the British did it, but I'm

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sure the scanning. I know the Nordics had had skis.

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Speaker 2: But the English have hills. They have like Giant Clare.

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Speaker 1: But that's like going skiing in Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like going sled in with a

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trash can lid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, wee, that's what I did.

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Speaker 2: BJ's hill.

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Speaker 1: We had.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was a good hill by my plate by my

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house in a bat and like a mediocre park hill

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by my house. Went to both, but the good hill,

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the good at the bottom of the good hill was

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a frozen pond.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you could fall into the pond.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it was frozen. But if you got

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too much speed, you're going into that fucking pond.

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Speaker 2: So many kids and dads got smoke though.

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Speaker 1: That was always a fun thing to try to hit

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people on.

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Speaker 2: The hundreds of kids on one hill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hitting people on the way down it's best, Yeah,

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because then you got to walk all the way up

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and you're literally, I'm you're a target aiming for people

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on the way down there. So there's another reason the

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British wanted to take out Saint Louis in particular, as well.

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As I said, the Spanish were sort of unofficially against

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the British in the war for a long time. Then

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they officially entered the war, and Saint Louis was supplying

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weapons to American fighters in the West, particularly George Rogers Clark.

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I would come up from New Orleans up the river

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go over to Clark. Clark was essentially so the war

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was kind of contained to the colonies for the most part.

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But then colonists were going out into the sort of

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wilderness the west that would become the sort of Midwest

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and sec country type of and they were taking that

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land too, and just kind of claiming it for America,

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being like asires now to fuck you, I don't care

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if it's not part of Virginia or Carolina or whatever.

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We're taking this too. So Clark had gotten all the

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way to Cohokia in Illinois. He spent years in the

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West fucking up the Indians at the British. The British,

472
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by the way, did not have the manpower to deal

473
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,000
with this, so they were just paying Indians to murder

474
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,759
anyone that was coming in or any settlers who were

475
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siding with the Americans.

476
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: I saw a Native play with a ruby the size

477
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,160
of a tangerine did it for Spolt.

478
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,839
Speaker 1: I didn't care.

479
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure natives appreciated guns so they could even

480
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:19,680
the playing field.

481
00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the British were giving them not just guns, but

482
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,960
like other like, I don't know, more economical things, just

483
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,319
stuff that improved.

484
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,799
Speaker 2: Weapons out there. I imagine the British didn't have a

485
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,279
short supply of weapons.

486
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,519
Speaker 1: No, No, they had plenty of weapons and they were

487
00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:41,799
bringing those up through the Great Lakes basically in the

488
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,359
Canada and stuff like that. Whatever. I was gonna say,

489
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:50,480
the Eerie Canal, but that didn't exist yet anyway. George

490
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,640
Rogers Clark was just fucking shit up in the West,

491
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:59,160
helping settlers gain independence, a very underrated figure in the

492
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720
American Revolution, and actually kind of helped the whole untamed

493
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,000
West Ohio Valley, Kentucky, all this stuff kind of become

494
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:07,880
part of America because even though we think of the

495
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,839
Thirteen Colonies, when America started, it basically extended all the

496
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:11,839
way to the Mississippi River.

497
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't think about that because it wasn't really

498
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:16,359
our territory.

499
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:18,039
Speaker 1: We no one lived there. We didn't care.

500
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Patrick Sinclair, who was the governor, the British

502
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,440
governor in Michigan. Basically it wasn't called Michigan brig Governor

503
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,640
of Michigan in seventeen eighty, once the Spanish were in

504
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,279
and everything was up for grabs, he told loyalist fur

505
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,079
traders to start going through the territories and recruit tribes

506
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,440
who were interested in taking Saint Louis. I was like,

507
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,079
we're gonna take this shit. We're gonna get it. We're

508
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,039
gonna take all of it, because even if we lose

509
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:51,359
this war, they're not gonna be able to take that back.

510
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,079
They don't have the manpower to take that back. We

511
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,599
don't even have the manpower to get It's why if

512
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:55,680
you go get Indians to get it.

513
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,279
Speaker 2: They're like, they put this sweet sauce on their meats

514
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,920
that we just can't get enough of. I mean, the

515
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000
meat is not cooked very well, it's not prepped very well,

516
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,240
but it overcompensates for how bad the meat is. But

517
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,319
that that sweet, sweet sauce.

518
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: That fucking delicious. Dude, Casey, barbie sauce is the best

519
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,759
barbie sauce. I don't want to hear it. And barbecue

520
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:17,440
sauce is a necessary part of barbecue. I don't want

521
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,079
to hear that either.

522
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: I would say Kansas City barbecues top four.

523
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Think about how much salty, fucking smoked

524
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,559
meat you eat in this goddamn state.

525
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: One that gives you.

526
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: Nothing to cut through it. It gives you nothing to

527
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,880
balance Still want, dude, nothing to balance it out. I'm

528
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,279
not saying I want sauce in every bite. I'm saying

529
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,039
I need it as a palate cleanser.

530
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,559
Speaker 2: I understand it's a different thing.

531
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:44,839
Speaker 1: Man.

532
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: Some are children, some are real men.

533
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you don't even like barbecue anymore.

534
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: I've had so much. Yeah, say, and I have no dog.

535
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: In the ring. When someone comes into the studio and

536
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,839
they're like, oh, Brough barbecue, We're.

537
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: Like, yes, But as a man who grew up in

538
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960
the Northeast, barbecue is not our thing. Clearly no. So

539
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,960
I gorged myself when I entered this, especially ten years ago.

540
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,119
You're a meat boy, big meat boy, big protein, protein,

541
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,079
gotta hit three hundred grams a day.

542
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: They get a bunch of Indians, the British do, and

543
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,400
there's some British troops there too, and they're like, all right, good,

544
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680
we got the people. And they also get French fur

545
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,000
trappers who are just like I fucky they make a

546
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:28,079
dime what they have, a doughty hobo. I have no

547
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,640
allegiance to any singles might sief. So they fucking they're

548
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,920
ready to go. They get between seven hundred and fifty

549
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,079
and one thousand Indians plus their European soldiers and fur

550
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,799
traders and stuff like that, and they're ready to go

551
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:51,119
take out Saint Louis. Meanwhile, in Saint Louis is the

552
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240
lieutenant governor of the Louisiana Territory. Saint Louis, I guess

553
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,799
what you'd probably call the second most important outpost in

554
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,359
the territory after New Orleans. The Lieutenant Governor, Fernando de

555
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:07,480
Leba is there, and he's got a tiny garrison. He's

556
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,839
a Spanish infantry officer.

557
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,519
Speaker 2: I like the term garrison.

558
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: It's a good, good term. You got a teeny type

559
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,000
better than fort. Well, it's not garrison. Is the men?

560
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,599
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?

561
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? Garrison?

562
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: The garrison just means men. Yeah, Yeah, it's used in

563
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:27,359
so many like.

564
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:28,839
Speaker 1: Could mean fort too, Actually I don't know, I think it

565
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,079
is for but garrison means men typically, if.

566
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,079
Speaker 2: You want to look it up. Yeah, every game I've

567
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,559
ever played.

568
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: It's like, we're taking this garrison, garrison the troops stationed

569
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,640
in a fortress or town to defend it, the actual troops. Yeah,

570
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,480
so the troops are the people in the ford of

571
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,000
the garrison.

572
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm mistaken. So he's a.

573
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,319
Speaker 1: Spanish Spanish infantry officer born in a Spanish fort in

574
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,119
North Africa. Uh. Most people in Saint Louis didn't like them.

575
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,599
Most people in Saint Louis were pissed they were under

576
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:57,839
Spanish control because they were basically French and they were like,

577
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,480
this is annoying. Fuck these guys. They're not cool like

578
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:06,039
the French. They didn't like him, and he thought the

579
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,039
town was a shipthole. He didn't really like it either.

580
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: He's like the French are a while back then too. Yeah,

581
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,519
you know, Lafayette came here because he essentially got kicked

582
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,759
out of French high society for not fucking, for not

583
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,400
cheating on his wife. They're like, we can't trust a

584
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,680
man who's faithful and loyal to his wife.

585
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,559
Speaker 1: They're like, you don't even want one fifteen year old misstress.

586
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: No, and thank god because Lofayette was by the.

587
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,279
Speaker 1: Way, Lafaette came over here when he was like nineteen.

588
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: That's an old man back then pretty much.

589
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: So people in FCL did not like de Leeba. He

590
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,319
was very strict and buy the book. He thought the

591
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,400
town was gross, and the town was like, yeah, you

592
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,759
gross shit, So what fuck you man.

593
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,599
Speaker 2: It's not really a town at that point.

594
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,799
Speaker 1: It's a couple hundred people in town whatever.

595
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: So either way, La Dilaba it was like, very, very

596
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,480
very it's like a rest stop.

597
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,519
Speaker 1: It is. It is a rest stop on the Misissippi.

598
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,400
That's what it is. The only problem is there's not

599
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,839
a lot of other ones, and it's the best port

600
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,640
on the Mississippi.

601
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,279
Speaker 2: You hit an interstate, you get one of those those

602
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,160
rest stops midday, you get a couple hundred people there.

603
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,559
Speaker 1: Easy, Yeah, it's probably true. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.

604
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,599
It's a rest stop on Misissippi. So Dileaba, despite not

605
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,759
liking the town, he's very very by the book, very

606
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,880
duty bound guy. So he's just he's like, I'm gonna

607
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,799
do my job no matter what doesn't matter. So Diliba

608
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,839
is told by his superiors before the he's they're like,

609
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:40,599
you need to start supplying Clark in Kahokia give him

610
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,119
weapons like that, and he does. He's like, all right, whatever,

611
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,640
I follow orders by the fucking letter. I'm gonna do it.

612
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,000
And he gives the merchants of Saint Louis a big

613
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,519
list of ship to send to Clark, like weapons, food,

614
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,839
all this stuff, and the same everyone in Saint Louis

615
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,079
is pissed off because they're gonna be paid in like

616
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,519
colonial money basically, which is they're in a different country

617
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:02,039
pretty much.

618
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,119
Speaker 2: They're like, fuck this, get this monopoly money out.

619
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: They're like, dogshit money. We don't want this fucking shit.

620
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: It's like trying to pay somebody in confederate money.

621
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: It is literally like trying to pay it's a rebellious

622
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,240
it's a rebellion's money. And they're like, dude, fuck this money.

623
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:23,839
Speaker 2: Have Confederate dollars gone up in value at any point

624
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,400
just for the historical significance, I don't know.

625
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably with like a Confederate dollar fifty dollars a

626
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,359
confederate money, let's going three hundred dollars on eBay.

627
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,519
Speaker 2: I mean, it's whatever somebody's willing to pay for it.

628
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 1: But let's see an inflation calculator. We'll see what US

629
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,160
money appreciated in that time. Actually, I can only go

630
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,839
back to nineteen thirteen. What.

631
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm surprised no one's made like a confederate Oh wow,

632
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Actually it's quite still worth quite a bit less than

633
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,200
fifty dollars in nineteen thirteen. Yeah, quite a bit less

634
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,240
Confederate coin though, How is that not a cryptocurrence at

635
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,599
this point?

636
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:02,279
Speaker 1: Can fed coin?

637
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:03,079
Speaker 2: Yeah?

638
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

639
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: It seems like a layup. So I would love to

640
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,920
start her own crypto where we bamboozle the audience to

641
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,119
uh buy it and then pump and dump.

642
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: Oh I had a I was talking about a scheme

643
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,759
with somebody about how we just start a book that

644
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,720
has like outrageous political prop bets that you know will

645
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,640
never come true, but just get people to bet on

646
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,079
it just because they're like, oh look it is I

647
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,359
put fifty dollars out of the and it pays out

648
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,839
it ten thousand to one if I win. And it's

649
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,519
like Michelle Obama has a twelve inch penis or something,

650
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,039
just shit, that is worth the.

651
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Hits though we're fucked. Fuck it's not going to but

652
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:44,319
if it does, hang on our face. Yeah, but that's

653
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:44,960
why you put the.

654
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Inches on there too.

655
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:46,519
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

656
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: Right, so first she has to have a penis and

657
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,359
then it has to be twelve inches, but.

658
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: Like it's thirteen. I'm sorry, guys, it's.

659
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:57,759
Speaker 1: Either way though. You just get a bunch of like

660
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,039
red pill dudes. Just be like Luca, there's been It's hilarious.

661
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,759
I mean, while we walk away with like five grand Yeah.

662
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,319
Speaker 2: But I don't even feel bad about that. What about

663
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,240
I know, you know, we we start a coin with

664
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,480
a hot influencer or just a chick that's viral.

665
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,599
Speaker 1: This is how, you know, not that I didn't know

666
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160
from the moment I saw the video that hawk Tua

667
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
has terrible parents, because anyone who came from an even

668
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,279
like normal household. It was like, Mom, Dad, I'm starting

669
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,039
I got to make some crypto coen off my off

670
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,960
my viral video, like if I can't, I was like, mom, dad,

671
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,720
I'm like thirty eight. And even still I was like, mom,

672
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,640
Dad checked this out. They'd be like, I don't think

673
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920
you should do that. That sounds really suspicious. Let me,

674
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,279
you know, read the papers.

675
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,119
Speaker 2: You're gonna make a lot of money. You're gonna hurt

676
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,319
a lot of others.

677
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you're gonna get you got that internet goal.

678
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,880
My Biby's got internet goal.

679
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,559
Speaker 2: I mean, we're NFTs. Really they were the same thing.

680
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I guess what. It's the level of

681
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:05,640
where it's no longer moral to separate a fool from

682
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,680
his money? Is it? The amount? Is it? How outrageous

683
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,759
the scheme is because sports gambling.

684
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,119
Speaker 2: It's probably turning the entire country into a casino.

685
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sports gambling. Though. It's like, dude, if

686
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,839
you really think you're smarter than these people because you

687
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,119
watch so much.

688
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,519
Speaker 2: Football, I got news for you, bucco, you're not. Yeah,

689
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,319
they have so much information about everything.

690
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: So I don't feel bad for those people because that's hubris.

691
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,559
That's costing them their money.

692
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: I know. But guess what, dude, I won the day,

693
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,559
but they But here's the thing, I'll lose.

694
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: The sports gambling. They at some level they understand that

695
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,519
they don't really know what they're talking about. One would imagine,

696
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,480
but like cryptocurrency or NFTs, they don't even understand what

697
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,559
that is. They understand what sports is. They understand how

698
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,000
teams can win and lose and and upsets happen and whatever.

699
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,480
But like this is like a It's like selling them

700
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,000
a planet.

701
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm getting back in the toolip market. You want to,

702
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,280
I think it's a bi low opportunity.

703
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: So the Saint Louis's like, fuck this monopoly money. We're

704
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,679
not taking this shit. So Deleba, being a good being,

705
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,079
a good Spanish citizen, being a good servant to the crown,

706
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,840
is like, oh my god, these fucking people. And he's like, okay, fine,

707
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,719
I will pay for it myself and take their money.

708
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,360
And he goes into debt to supply personal debt, to

709
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,840
supply Clark with the weapons and stuff, just to just

710
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,480
just so he can follow the orders. At this point, also,

711
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,880
Saint Louis has no defenses and like I said, not

712
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,519
that big of a garrison. So Deleaba is like, hey,

713
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,880
we're at war with England. We're supplying their enemy, who's

714
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,639
literally right across the river. They're gonna come and attack us.

715
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,400
Can I have more troops? And the Spanish he sends

716
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,679
letters twice asking for true from New Orleans, never even

717
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,440
get the response, and then he's like, fuck, okay, I

718
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,239
gotta just deal with what I got here. But we

719
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,360
need to build defenses. And everyone in Saint Louis is like,

720
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,880
do we have to, like I don't want to, Like

721
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,400
I kind.

722
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,639
Speaker 2: Of seem to get my way around that.

723
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: I kind of came here to like party and not

724
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,199
worry about shit.

725
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,599
Speaker 2: I'm here to be a criminal.

726
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: You literally like I'm kind of just here to like

727
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,320
not be involved in society, and like you're talking about

728
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,840
all this, like society shit just coming to Nogamat like

729
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,440
a war or something. They don't give it.

730
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,159
Speaker 2: Why do I want to defend this. I'll just move

731
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:41,800
to another town.

732
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just move to some other shitthole outpost where

733
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,079
I can pay disgusting hookers.

734
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: Make Justino, this is a circus. We just pack up

735
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,840
shop and move yeah, And he's like, oh my god,

736
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,280
oh my god. Okay, okay, I'll pay for that too.

737
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,519
That's like asking the man that is in charge of

738
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:05,320
the gravity trying to defend the fair no the car,

739
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
and he's not gonna do that. He's gonna get another job, right.

740
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh god, damn it, fucking fine, I'll

741
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,960
pay to build the defenses too, So he does, so

742
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,239
he puts down four. He eventually gets to the Saint

743
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,159
Loucient's to agree to help pay for the defenses if

744
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:25,440
he fronts forty percent of it himself. That's pretty low still.

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,519
It's like, but there's like hundreds of people, and he's

746
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,079
like he's a nobleman for sure. But he's like, fine,

747
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:32,760
I'll fucking pay for forty So he goes into like

748
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,280
massive debt just to pay to defend Saint Louis and

749
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,039
follow orders.

750
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: It's like current day owners of sports teams trying to

751
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,880
build a stadium. Yeah, but guys, come on, I'll pay

752
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,920
forty percent. You guys got to cover the rest though.

753
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,519
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804
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the British are coming. They have their they have their

805
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Indian troops.

806
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: And to their own Paul Revere.

807
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: They do. Her name is Magdalen de Honore.

808
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't really hit the sand now, but this chick.

809
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Way more impressive than Paul Revere. She hears about. She

810
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,880
hears from some Indians who are just like gossiping. They're like,

811
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,920
oh yeah, there's a big force. They're gonna come fuck

812
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,800
Saint Louis up. So she hears this translated it I

813
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,719
think they probably they Indian spoke French. I'd imagine point. Okay,

814
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,599
they've been in contact for two hundred years. So she

815
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,159
hears this, gets in a fucking canoe by herself and

816
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,000
paddles sixty miles down the Mississippi River.

817
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: Whoa, well, probably downstream right.

818
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but she's mostly steering with the paddling. But

819
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,920
still the Mimsippi River is a is fucking terrifying. It

820
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,320
is humongous and fast.

821
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: And she's doing all the work. Really not the horse.

822
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Paul Revere's horse never gets the credit he deserves, he

823
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,880
does or she deserves. So she gets Revere. Wasn't he

824
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,519
like the second guy to show up in town?

825
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah? The Paul Reader story is kind of bullshit, but

826
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:44,679
what I don't care. He's a lot of not something

827
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,840
that concerns.

828
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: Me, stolen valor.

829
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I believe it's just a good story, and also it's

830
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,360
a good name.

831
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: You couldn't give this chick credit.

832
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: There should be a fucking statue over in Saint Louis.

833
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: I guess because she's a woman and they don't really

834
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,360
care for that.

835
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,519
Speaker 1: Back then, the only way you're getting a statue as

836
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,440
a woman as if you, I guess, Hatchet, A bunch

837
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960
of Indian children death, Like, what's.

838
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: Your name, Hannah Dustin?

839
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember it.

840
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 2: You did her repid?

841
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: I did? I did it.

842
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: It's okay, I have autism.

843
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh Dilaba is like all right, fuck. So

844
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,199
he starts developing a plan for the village's defense. At

845
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,920
this point, all he has is a dogshit militia force

846
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,119
of one hundred and sixty eight, like just locals from

847
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,440
around the countryside, and he's got twenty nine Spanish troops.

848
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Uh Delaba. One of the defenses he built was a

849
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,599
stone tower. He wanted to build four stone towers. He

850
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,360
was only able to get one done right. This tower

851
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,559
was thirty feet wide and three stories tall, which was

852
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:53,760
by far the biggest building in for one hundred miles probably.

853
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: How many days was this tower built in?

854
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: Forty forty days? Yeah, thirty nine? I thing actually, but it's.

855
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,119
Speaker 2: Kind of impressive. You know, you're on the clock, very sure.

856
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 1: Very much on the clock. So the tower dubbed Fort

857
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,679
San Carlos. It basically gave them a view over the everything.

858
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,239
And it was built on a hill too, so it

859
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,280
gave him a complete view.

860
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,079
Speaker 2: I mean, think about all the permits they had to get,

861
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,239
all the bureaucratic the reddack.

862
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: It's just terrible.

863
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this statue or I'm sorry.

864
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: This tower was actually about a block away from Bush Stadium.

865
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: You know, it's actually where Mark McGuire sixty second home

866
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,519
run landed, which is ironic.

867
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,159
Speaker 1: To say because his sixty second home run like just

868
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,519
squeaked over the fence. It was like the weakest home

869
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:39,519
run he hit all year.

870
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and didn't the guy that actually caught the ball

871
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,039
was trying to like just get a photo in an

872
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,360
autograph from Mark McGuire.

873
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: I actually think that was his seventieth because his sixty

874
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,320
second I think it was so low that it didn't

875
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,960
even hit the crowd. It like went into like the

876
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,239
dead space between the walls.

877
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:03,199
Speaker 2: So his you know, last home run of the season, his.

878
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: Record setting home run, right the record was set at

879
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,760
seventy Yes.

880
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: I believe the guy was just asking for a photo and.

881
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 1: A bat, and Mark mcguireire was like, fuck off. Yeah,

882
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,000
literally was like, dude, fuck you, like just the roids

883
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,199
going crazy, just spazing out. And so the guy sold

884
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
it for like two million dollars that much better profit. Yeah,

885
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,400
because the guy was like being a boner of Saint

886
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,159
Louis and he was just like, oh gee whiz, mister McGuire.

887
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,920
I just love baseball in all of sports. Yeah, he's like, oh,

888
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,199
I want is a picture. Mark McGuire's like, fuck you.

889
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,039
You ever take Andrew.

890
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,159
Speaker 2: I've never taken any steroid. Okay, I've only taken for SUPs. Dog.

891
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,360
We did some pro hormones.

892
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

893
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: There are pills, Okay, it really did nothing. I'll put

894
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,519
a photo up of what I looked like when I

895
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,199
was on him. Not as big as I am now,

896
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,599
but nobody can tell now because it show.

897
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: You're wearing black. Yeah, slimming yourself.

898
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,199
Speaker 2: Family has been in town. I haven't got a good

899
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,400
lift in probably a couple of weeks.

900
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,679
Speaker 1: It didn't with say anything about shows.

901
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,039
Speaker 2: I'll get back to it.

902
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Boys, all right, well, let's get to it.

903
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,679
Speaker 2: By my birthday. I know I'll be hot again and

904
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,400
I'll pop top.

905
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we need to. We pop top.

906
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: The only way the show's gonna the show's gonna grow

907
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,639
with my own fitness journey. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's the

908
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:28,239
only way because nobody's tuning in for the content. No,

909
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,000
not the history. I need to just be fucking shredded.

910
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,760
So you should too, you should. We should get you

911
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,639
on a nice little routine. Have you hit your macros? Okay,

912
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,360
we'll keep track of that. We'll get you hot.

913
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Let's go.

914
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: Imagine if you just had a jaw line.

915
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: I know, never have.

916
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,679
Speaker 2: What if we get you on, let's go, I guess

917
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,960
soft face, get cherubook face. I want you to get

918
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,960
to the point where your wife is afraid you're gonna

919
00:44:58,039 --> 00:44:58,239
leave her.

920
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: Dude, two weeks alone with the kids or a week

921
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,599
alone with the kids, that's a lot.

922
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: She needs to have fear, fear and know that there's

923
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,119
a threat. Yeah, I agree.

924
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:10,519
Speaker 1: I agree, though, so.

925
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: Keep her on her toes or else she gets, you know, complacent, comfortable,

926
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,760
saying in the words of future. Bitch, don't get too comfortable.

927
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,159
Speaker 1: So they got the one tower. There was no more

928
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,039
time to build any of the towers, and the Saint

929
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,280
Lucian's didn't even want to, so he orders trenches. Delaibit

930
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,679
orders trenches to be dug. They dig about a mile

931
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:33,119
and a half worth the trench works to help defend

932
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,039
the city as well, and they stack a bunch of

933
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,360
cannons on top of the tower. So at this point

934
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,320
they have a one hundred and ninety seven men. One

935
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,159
hundred and sixty eight are useless militia basically, and every

936
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
man the militia was aged fifteen to fifty, so not

937
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,880
great on that front either. If you're between fifteen and fifty,

938
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,920
you are autoconscripted.

939
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,519
Speaker 2: Who would you rather be next to a fifteen year

940
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:59,400
old or a fifty year fifty? Unquestionably, fifteen year old's

941
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
a little bit more. He was gonna be busy.

942
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,119
Speaker 1: A malnourished fifteen year old, he might not be malnourished. Eh.

943
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: The fifty year old, he falls, he breaks a hip,

944
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,199
he's dead.

945
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: I think that fifteen year old's just gonna.

946
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: That's a hard fifty too. It is a hard fit

947
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,880
a trade in post fifty. Yeah, give me the fifteen

948
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,000
year old all day, fair enough to be like my

949
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:21,840
fucking brother in arms.

950
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: So Delaba's still like, God, we're so fucked. So he

951
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,000
goes to, uh, this French guy who lives a little

952
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,440
ways away in charge of a bunch of like hunters

953
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,800
and stuff like that, and uh, his name is Francois Valet. Anyway,

954
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,119
he gets Valet and his two sons and sixty well

955
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,880
trained and well equipped French militiaman to come help. And

956
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,239
this was especially useful because, unlike most of the people

957
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,559
in Saint Louis, these French guys actually had led to

958
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,599
use bullets for to make bullets out of, instead of

959
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,360
the pebbles and stones that many of the Saint Louisans

960
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,920
were planning to shoot out of their muskins.

961
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,639
Speaker 2: It's like getting hit by those those rubber bullets or

962
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,519
those or like a pepper bullet, a paintballet doesn't break.

963
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,519
Speaker 1: That's what the pepper rounds are. They're paintballs, just filled

964
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:10,239
with Pepper's.

965
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: Gonna freeze them though, Yeah, that'll.

966
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: Fuck you up. So on May twenty fifth, the British

967
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,320
sent out a scouting party to determine the situation in

968
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,679
Saint Louis. These parties weren't able to get close to

969
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,400
the village because a bunch of people were out there

970
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,400
like picking flowers in the fields and shit like that,

971
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,800
and they didn't want to give away their position. So uh.

972
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,800
They were also like, we were told Saint Louis didn't

973
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,679
have defenses.

974
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: What is this There appears to be a tower, Like,

975
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,679
don't worry about that, that's that's not for defense.

976
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: The British were literally like, it'll be harder to defend

977
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,519
Saint Louis than it is to take Saint Louis. Like

978
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,159
if we counterattack, that's the real problem. That's what they

979
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:48,719
thought would be the real problem.

980
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: So the next day also was the benefit of taking

981
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000
it to control that part of the Mississippi, I guess No,

982
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:54,800
it's a huge deal.

983
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: It's a humongous deal.

984
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:56,679
Speaker 2: It was.

985
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: It was also a huge deal in the Civil War

986
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,719
that Missouri didn't go over to the to the Confederacy,

987
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,239
because then the entire Mississippi River would have been lost.

988
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:06,840
And that's a huge fucking deal.

989
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: So they could have their little submarines in the Mississippi.

990
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: No, so they could the trade and everything. It is

991
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,760
a big deal that Missouri state in the Union, arguably

992
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,199
the most important border state, maybe other than Maryland.

993
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,079
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that big of a deal, honestly. St. Louis, Missouri.

994
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,159
You can have them, wouldn't have swung the tides.

995
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna get into that too.

996
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,679
Speaker 2: We can have something you can justify any way you want.

997
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,760
You can try to spew all this propaganda for your

998
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,239
bullshit town and your dog shit state, but I'll have

999
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:40,840
none of it.

1000
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:46,519
Speaker 1: So at one pm on May, I don't even remember

1001
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,760
May something. The British attack, De Labor wrote the and

1002
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,360
it's really the Indians attack. They the Dilabor wrote, they

1003
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,239
rushed out of the forest or out of the woods

1004
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,119
like mad men. A warning shot was fired from the tower,

1005
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,639
and everyone kind of got to their their positions or whatever.

1006
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:07,039
All the Indians attacked the Sioux, the Winnebagos, the Sok

1007
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,760
the Meskawi.

1008
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: And they had Winnebagos.

1009
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: They had Winnebagos.

1010
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:13,119
Speaker 2: Damn how'd they lose?

1011
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into that.

1012
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: There was somebody rolling off.

1013
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: The battles not go well. De Leaba essentially directed the

1014
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,719
defense from the tower, even though he was violently ill

1015
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,239
at the time. He had actually be carried up to

1016
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:32,000
the tower. And unfortunately, just like the day before when

1017
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,239
the scouting party was there, a bunch of civilians were

1018
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480
out in the fields when the attacks started, and the

1019
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,800
civilians by far got the worst of it.

1020
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh, they weren't just chilling tailgating watching the battle.

1021
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: No, No, they were just out doing their thing and

1022
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,440
a fucking thousand people ran out of the woods to

1023
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,280
kill them. One slave named Lewis saw an Indian running

1024
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,119
towards him. He was like, I'm gonna die unless I

1025
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,519
dive or what. He's like, I'm gonna die. So he

1026
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,880
dives to the ground, trips the Indian and then beats

1027
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,960
to death and then runs back to the trenches being like.

1028
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,599
Speaker 2: I goes musket check it out. Nice score for the slave. Yeah,

1029
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,199
initially he survived the battle, was not given his freedom

1030
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,199
and actually was you know, beaten on the job.

1031
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,639
Speaker 1: He was punished for owning something yeah days later. Yeah. So,

1032
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,920
initially the city the battle was not going well. The

1033
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,719
city seemed like it was gonna be overwhelmed. But Fort

1034
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,719
San Carlos, that tower has some cannons on it, okay,

1035
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,079
and those cannons started ripping.

1036
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:39,599
Speaker 2: They had the high ground too.

1037
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Indians called it called Fort San Carlos.

1038
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: The House of Thunder the boomstick.

1039
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,079
Speaker 1: On the first volley, two of the Indian tribes, the

1040
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,559
sok and the Mescawi and Meswaukee fell back and were like,

1041
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,760
fucked this, We're out. We were told that there were

1042
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,679
not defenses. They just fucking left.

1043
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: As a native, that has to be the most terrifying

1044
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,000
thing to come across.

1045
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they're used to it at this point. They've

1046
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,559
been dealing with for twohundred years. Still, but they're still

1047
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,760
just like, I'm sorry. I was told there would be

1048
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,880
no tower with cannons.

1049
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,039
Speaker 2: That appears to be a tower and also cannon.

1050
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was told this was gonna be fun.

1051
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: I thought I was getting scalps. Yeah.

1052
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: So the Wapasha and the Sioux kept attacking for several hours,

1053
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:34,360
and they had an interesting tactic. They knew they couldn't

1054
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,119
take the trenches and they knew the tower was a problem,

1055
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,199
so they were like, let's try to draw the Saint

1056
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,400
Louis's out. So they took a bunch of people they

1057
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,960
captured from the fields and just started killing them horrifically

1058
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:56,159
out of range. Cool just torturing them, chopping them to pieces.

1059
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: Hey we got your kid here, your wife, yeah, got

1060
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,119
your mistress.

1061
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,599
Speaker 1: And we're cutting their hands off, cutting their heads off,

1062
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,119
Hey we got your father in law.

1063
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: Keep them.

1064
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,199
Speaker 1: This actually pissed off the people in the trenches and

1065
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,280
they're like, we gotta go, we gotta go fight, we

1066
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,639
gotta get these people. And Delabah was like, now it's

1067
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,719
a fucking trap. Yeah, it's always absolutely attractory to get

1068
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,639
you out. I'm sorry you have to listen to these

1069
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,239
people be tortured, but that's war, baby.

1070
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: We've been trying to get you out of the thunder castle.

1071
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:31,639
Speaker 1: Delabah was like, we're staying, fucking put uh, And the

1072
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,159
cannons kept going, the volleys kept coming from the trenches.

1073
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,119
Eventually the force was like, dude, we're not taking this

1074
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,360
fucking city. Fuck this, and they left. They destroyed a

1075
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,639
bunch of crops, killed livestock, more civilians and buildings as

1076
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,079
they went. They pissed in the wells and basically they

1077
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,239
just tried to assault the earth as they left. On

1078
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,960
the other side of the river, they attacked Kahokia, where

1079
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,000
George Rogers Clark was, but the Indians rolled up. They

1080
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,119
saw that George Rogers Clark was there. They knew his

1081
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:03,679
reputation as being just as fucking mean as they were,

1082
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,239
and they were like, oh, George Rogers Clark is there.

1083
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,880
Uh Nope, and they just left.

1084
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:11,519
Speaker 2: That's called respect.

1085
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: They were like, nah, nope. Between fifty and one hundred to.

1086
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: Be feared than loved. That's probably on his gravestone.

1087
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 1: He was only feared. He does have a big monument

1088
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,519
in Indiana George Rogers Clark, though.

1089
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: How hard is it to get a monument in Indiana?

1090
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,880
It's a couple of basketball players in this guy pretty much.

1091
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. George Rogers Clark, though, was overshadowed in history by

1092
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,679
his own family member.

1093
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,159
Speaker 2: What was the last time? Sorry, Clark Lewis and Clark Yep, yeah,

1094
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,440
that was his younger brother. Younger brother is kind of

1095
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,039
a pussy why he said that never fought.

1096
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: He might have, Actually he might have served, but I

1097
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,320
believe he was an army officer.

1098
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: He was in fact. Yeah, whatever, he's making friends with

1099
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,840
the natives, just going on quest and voyages.

1100
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: I wonder what Clark fought it. If he fought, he's yeah,

1101
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,880
he fought a little. He fought some indigenous wars, I

1102
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,159
don't think he fought in the American Revolution.

1103
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 2: They probably fought on the indigenous side.

1104
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,599
Speaker 1: Uh No, he definitely did. But yeah, he didn't fight

1105
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:16,239
in the revolution. He was born in seventeen seventy.

1106
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:19,039
Speaker 2: Do you think him and Lewis were just giving it

1107
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:20,000
to Saga Juey.

1108
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: I think one of them was. One of them was

1109
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,199
in a relationship with her.

1110
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,599
Speaker 2: They weren't double team in her. Well, just spit roasenter.

1111
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,559
Speaker 1: What happened to what happens on the Missouri River stays.

1112
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: It seemed like a thropple America's first.

1113
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: Actually, no, Ben Franklin was in probably a thousand of them.

1114
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come on, So.

1115
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,119
Speaker 1: About one hundred people died between fifteen one hundred were

1116
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:44,199
either killed, wounded.

1117
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: Or captured.

1118
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Almost all the casualties were civilians. A few weeks later,

1119
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,320
the labor died of the sickness that had befallen him,

1120
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,039
although he was posthumously promoted to lieutenant colonel by the

1121
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:05,039
Spanish King. Here's where the important part comes in. The

1122
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:09,280
British never again tried to take Saint Louis or the

1123
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,159
Mississippi Valley.

1124
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,519
Speaker 2: They never tried to begin with. It was the natives they.

1125
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: Did try then it was gonna be British.

1126
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: They sent in just They're like, we're not actually putting

1127
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:21,360
real britishmen.

1128
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: Had the English taken the upper Mississippi Valley, that land

1129
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:33,880
would have never ever been American. It would have stopped

1130
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:39,679
American westward expansion dead at the Mississippi River. The rest

1131
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,079
of the west would have remained Mexico and would have

1132
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,000
probably been Canada at this point.

1133
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: No, the battle not stop manifest destiny the battle. No,

1134
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,039
you can can't.

1135
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: The English did it multiple times. This battle completely changed

1136
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,440
the course of the content. Because the British take this,

1137
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,440
take Saint Louis. A counter attack is not coming. They

1138
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,400
are not giving it back. The Americans don't have the

1139
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,000
manpowered it.

1140
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: Run from it, delay it. It's all the same.

1141
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,199
Speaker 1: It would have been another war with the British in

1142
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,679
the eighteen forties or fifties, which we would have gotten

1143
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,039
wiped in.

1144
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:22,159
Speaker 2: No way did That's when we were bucking. We were

1145
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,840
a dog to Mexico and we fucking pushed their shit.

1146
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: Were a dog to Mexico.

1147
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 2: Also a Mexican American war. We did not take enough land.

1148
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Uh yeah, we should have went further.

1149
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: We wanted to But the guy negotiating, I'm gonna do

1150
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:34,760
a episode.

1151
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: He was too nice.

1152
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: It was too nice. All of this over a battle

1153
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,880
between about a thousand people.

1154
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:43,199
Speaker 2: We should have had all the way down to Guatemala

1155
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,039
one day. Do you remember all your Central American countries? No? No,

1156
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,880
we had a saying to remember them.

1157
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: What is it?

1158
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: Good boys eat hogies, not cold pizza.

1159
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:04,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Guatemala, good boys, good Guatemala boys. Believee eat Ecuador, hogis, Honduras?

1160
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:05,119
What is it?

1161
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: What does it Nicaragua?

1162
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, not cold piz Nicaragua coast. There you go.

1163
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,559
That's the most Philadelphia think I've ever in my life.

1164
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,920
But yeah, that is the story of the Battle of

1165
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,079
Saint Louis that forever changed the course of the United

1166
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:29,599
States of America in the American Revolution. What'd you learn today?

1167
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: I learned to say you're welcome, that Saint Louis has

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and always will be full of people that think they're

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more important than they.

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Speaker 1: It's accurate.

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Speaker 2: Oh so it's not Ecuador, it's els Abador. All right,

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Damn I they correct you there real time.

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Speaker 1: I'm stupid. I don't know what, don't care.

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Speaker 2: Who's today Taylor putting total dirt bags into position where

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they have to. It's like essentially hiring the suicide squad

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to defend your city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a bad way to put it. It was

1178
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all just dirty, dirty, filthy criminals and like just people

1179
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who didn't give a fuck. I mean they were literally

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there to make money and not have to live by

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the rules of society.

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Speaker 2: What are we some kind of supicide squad?

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Speaker 1: Pretty much, that's a terrible movie.

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Speaker 2: Terrible line in fact that Will Smith had to deliver that. Yeah,

1185
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I'm sure it ate away at him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he liked that director. This is a second movie

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with David Ayre.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of falling off. Actually, I don't think

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Will Smith has a movie over like seventy percent on

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Rotten Tomatoes. Not that that matters.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't care about that at all. Now, Well

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that's all I got for today. Yeah, boy, you're welcome.

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Saint Louis made this country what it is.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Patreon this week Wednesday Friday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's all I got for for Damner Dresser,

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I Robin Fox, you just got saucers