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Softcore History, we are talking about, in my opinion, in
my totally unbiased and completely neutral opinion, the most important
battle in American history, A battle that forever changed the
trajectory about the United States of America and the world.
A battle that was so important that we should honor
these people and again, in my humble, unbiased opinion, their descendants.
I don't want to spoil the battle before we get
into the episode, so without further ado, let's talk about
this battle.
Speaker 2: Welcome to soft Core History.
Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am
your host, Rob Fox, joined as always by Dan Register.
Speaker 2: You look lovely today, Rob do? What yeah?
Speaker 1: Why are you saying that? Well?
Speaker 2: You got rosy cheeks, you got your backwards Wyoming State
Penitentiary prison hat, and then you got what shirt is that?
It's a Saint Louis, Missouri sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: It's Emo's pizza.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's E's pizza. Yeah, some of the finest cuisine
in all the lands.
Speaker 1: Some would say the best style of pizza that was
ever created.
Speaker 2: I think it's just you that says that, but I'll
give it to you today.
Speaker 1: No, it's me and a bunch of other homers today.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dan's very excited because he didn't lose a lot of
money right before this show started. We started production about
forty minutes later than we needed to because his golfer
that he bet on today tonight ave bought a playoff. Yeah,
you're just sitting there watching.
Speaker 2: I know this is evergreen content, but Nick Taylor will
whatever be in my heart. So that's like the third
time he's bailed me out of a huge hole.
Speaker 1: No, it's evergreen because he'll probably do it again.
Speaker 2: Nick Taylor will always bail me out.
Speaker 1: And it's evergreen because you'll always be in a hole.
Speaker 2: I'll never dig myself out, So I'm very good at
putting myself in the hole.
Speaker 1: In many ways, that is an evergreen part of this show. Yeah,
there are so many nights where we'll literally just be like, hey,
we had started late today because Dan was waiting on
a bet to hit or loose, well, yeah, or not hit.
And I was actually saying before the show started that
it would have been better if he lost, because nobody
likes to laugh with a winner.
Speaker 2: I said, either way, it's gonna be a good show
because I'm goody, hyped up.
Speaker 1: You might as well have done a thousand pumps of cocade.
Like the amount of energy you are bringing to this
show right now is.
Speaker 2: It's honestly better than winning the bet, like winning money,
digging yourself out, Like you win the bet and you
get no financial return physically except that you no longer
owe another man money.
Speaker 1: That's why Rocky won is the best Rocky way. It
goes a distance. You went the distance with your bookie today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole week, this whole week, we're going back
and forth, losing five hundred dollars here, losing five hundred
dollars there. But guess what a little fifty dollars bet
saved it all, wipes it clean.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what a day, What a day. Well, you
know what, today we're talking about another uh, another epic
battle love this like with the one that goes on
between you and your bookie every single week.
Speaker 2: Some it hasn't been much of a battle, honestly, almost
a Dan genocide, yeah, a slaughter, yeah.
Speaker 1: A wounded knee if you will. It is funny when
people that it is technically called the Battle of Wounded Kney.
We're not talking about winded today, but it is funny
that we're that it's called the Battle of Wounded Knee,
And it's like, I don't think there were battle lines.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know what happened to wounded knee. I
just know it was a slaughter, A slaughter one way.
Speaker 1: Then you do know what happened?
Speaker 2: Wasn't that a colonel Colonel Mustard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colonel Mustard with the Cavalry Division in the Dakotas.
Speaker 2: So what happened to wounded knee?
Speaker 1: A fucking massacre bye, by the US cavalry against the
fucking Sioux Dakota. I don't remember who cares. It was
James Forsyth, which I had to look up. I didn't
know that Jude.
Speaker 2: With the candlestick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with the cavalry. But anyway, it was kind
of a like, I think in part, like a revenge thing,
like they were like for coaster. Custer is a fucking douchebag,
but he was a great Civil War leader, fought for
the Union. So really, can you can you call Custer
a bad guy for help for you the slaves? Sure
he did some stuff after, but I think he's I
think he gets he's like you.
Speaker 2: He battled God to a draw, some highs and lows,
some back and forth, and yeah, you're essentially neutral.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He played a big part in not a big part,
but an integral part in Gettysburg, which we're also not
talking about today.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about today?
Speaker 1: One of the most important battles in American history.
Speaker 2: I like that you're getting zened up for this too.
Speaker 1: A battle that, if it had gone the other way,
may have changed American and thus world history forever. A
battle so severe that its consequences are never discussed today.
It's a forgotten battle, But this battle might have been,
aren't they all one of the most eventually essentially yeah,
but this one was forgotten, Like from the jump. If
this battle went the.
Speaker 2: Other percentage of battles you think are remembered that we have.
Speaker 1: By name less than one percent.
Speaker 2: It's got to be less than one percent. Think of
all the Chinese battles we never talked about. We're millions
of people die.
Speaker 1: I mean, look we're written they're written down, but we
don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, nobody says them by name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no Chinese guy is like, oh, yeah, the
Battle of Hastings really changed the course of English history.
Fair they don't know what the Battle of Hastings is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Agin Court they don't know what Asin Court is.
It stands to the test of time. It screams into
the I.
Speaker 1: Mean maybe if they watched the Chalame movie, but that's
Netflix China.
Speaker 2: I bet they do. I bet they have. Agin Court
wouldn't defend China.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't carry They woll no, yeah.
Speaker 2: They're like, look it's Chalamay and Pat Pattinson.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know this for sure, but it
wouldn't surprise me if Chinese propaganda history in the CCP
was like like laughed at our pathetic little wars, you
know what I mean, Like, oh, the American Civil War
was so bloody, six hundred dozen people dude, look up
pothetic and weak they are.
Speaker 2: Whatever they're trying to stunt an all woman unit that
marches in sync, Like what are you North Korea? You're
better than that China?
Speaker 1: Also, who cares about marching and sync? What a funny
little tidbit of World War two trivia is that the
Germans were obviously good in sync marchers as well, very
very sharp looking army, the Nazi army, and when they
left Paris saying, you know, marched out of Paris whatever.
Either way, the Parisians were used to four plus years
of just like the sharp ass army all right as well,
put together army, and you know they're waiting for the
Americans to come in, and they're like, man, these guys
must be just like crack motherfuckers the way they beat
the Germans. Like these must be like absolute, like stunningly
disciplined soldiers.
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of dudes from like Appalachia, Dude.
Speaker 1: The American army just like walks in like fucking hobos,
like just beat up looking at I mean, but like
that's just how we work. As we're just a little
more improvisational, a little less concerned with appearances, more concerned
with results, you know what I mean. But they saw
the American soldiers come in and they're like, huh, is
it a guy? These guys did it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You want a grimy, tough motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't care if he's clean. Shit, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh you're good at marching.
Speaker 2: Sweet, You're in a march in sink and you're get
shot and sink.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, this battle, though humongous like consequences that
reverberated throughout history, could have changed the entire course of
Western civilization and global civilization. But no one talks about it.
And we're here today too. I think both honor the
people that fought in that battle, the brave, brave people,
and there I think we should honor even their descendants
in a way.
Speaker 2: So the left turn here is these are monsters.
Speaker 1: No, No, we owe a debt to these people and
in a way to their descendants as well.
Speaker 2: I think, who are we talking about today? Rob?
Speaker 1: I speak, of course, of the Battle of Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: That's why you're wearing your Emo sweatshirt. It all makes
sense now, it's all coming together. We'll let you have this. Yeah, Yeah,
the Battle of Saint Louis. We already talked about the
Olympics in Saint Louis, talked about a lot of SAT
nineteen oh four.
Speaker 1: The Limp Mansion in Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: Many say, not only is this a Catholic podcast, but
it's also a Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: Especially now the Jake's gone. It's really fifty to fifty.
I mean it's actually fitting too, because you're all birds doubt.
I never really talked about Philly much. What's there talk
about Delco? What's there talking about on birds doele We
just got the dub. Nothing really happened in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing of importance in this country. Now. When I
was home for the break, I went and did my
fourth grade field trip all over again. I saw the
Liberty Bell, I saw Independence Hall. Yeah, dude, you.
Speaker 1: Were taking tourist around where Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I was taking my friend Shay and her kid.
Speaker 1: To see where freedom was invented.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not the French, now, Greece, not none of that.
Speaker 1: It was in Philadelphia. So this was a battle in
one of in a big war. This was a revolutionary
war battle which revolution the American Revolution. We were in
Saint Louis by the Saint Louis pre dates the United States.
Speaker 2: I didn't really know it was established like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saint Louis was founded about twenty years before the
American Revolution.
Speaker 2: Now was independence kind of on equal scale as Saint Louis.
What do you mean independence Missouri?
Speaker 1: No, not at this point. No, there wasn't anything like that, just.
Speaker 2: A couple trading posts.
Speaker 1: Saint Louis was just a trading post at this point.
So let me take you back to pre revolution Saint Louis.
It's a small town, it's a trade it's really trading
post on the Mississippi River, just set up for because
fur trading is the big, you know, industry in the North,
and a lot of easy way to get it out
to the ocean is to just get it over to
the Missippi River, take it all the way down to
New Orleans, pop it out back to you.
Speaker 2: Also, kind of going back to your earlier comment about
how the French were unimpressed with Americans kind of rich
coming from them. If you ever saw like seventeen hundred,
eighteen hundred frenchmen that were just all about Canada and
the US, those dirty, dirty fur trappers.
Speaker 1: Oh my, god, Canadian fur trappers, just the day center,
the crossest people. Possibly they weren't sending their best.
Speaker 2: I think those might have been just like French prisoners
they released.
Speaker 1: New Orleans was, by the way, French prisoners. New Orleans
was literally the Australia of America for the French. Yeah,
if you do any like ghost Tour tour in New Orleans,
I like the French Quarter. They'll tell you a quick
history of New Orland, especially the Ghost Tour, They'll tell
you a quick history neworld and they're yeah, it's Australia.
Speaker 2: They portray it very accurately in all the historical movies too,
like The Revenant, uh, the New Predator Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
with the natives, I think it's called Prey. But they
showed the French trappers and the like the grossest people
in the filthy motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: So Saint Louis just a rough and rowdy trading post
on the Mississippi River, real shithole back then. I think,
just like Deadwood, but one hundred years earlier.
Speaker 2: Again, I've only seen the movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I think season one Deadwood, but one hundred
years earlier, just lawless, full of hookers, and booze and
gambling Westworld. Yeah, but one hundred years earlier, okay, and
not even as nice as that one bar in Westworld
where they all get the hookers, Like in the first episode.
Speaker 2: Not a rough and tumble going on where that chick's.
Speaker 1: Like, know, ain't put a rhine on you or whatever
she says.
Speaker 2: Were they getting into uh fisticuffs where they were trying
to spoon each other's eyes out? Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably, I mean it was a fucking gnarly town. Like
you you probably lived in Saint Louis at this point,
specifically because you didn't want to be fully part of civilization,
but you still wanted to be like around other people,
make a little money on the side, yeah type of thing.
And at this time, actually.
Speaker 2: Why don't we have like a lawless place in this
country for like former criminals to go. We should kind
of like gate off an entire state for that kind
of ship off the homeless kind of send.
Speaker 1: I know, now everywhere gets resettled by rich people, Like
rich people go to Wyoming or Austin.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, I guess kind of like the top
of Idaho is like where we send these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can just cut off the top of
Idaho and send them.
Speaker 2: The top of Idaho should just strictly be for people
with a record, like that's you. You know how I
used to have to show a vaccine passport to get
into restaurants and stuff in certain states. Yeah, in order
to get to the top of Idaho, you have to
show your criminal record.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's got to be serious. It can be
a misdemeanor, but it's got to be a gnarly misdemeanor.
Speaker 2: No, it should be something that prevents you from going
to the country of Canada.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that could be any do uy? Okay? Yeah?
Do you why perfect you? When I was one of
my first jobs out of college was marketing for a
law firm and one of the UH there was it
was a bankruptcy firm, but they also had a traffic
UH division or whatever, and I would do SEO marketing
for both of them. I'd after like write blogs and
shit and UH are like tagline or one of our
taglines for DUIs is like DUI is the worst crime
that good people commit.
Speaker 2: Good man can get drunk one night. Yeah, you know,
maybe his wife's giving him the business back home, he's
out with the boys blowing some steam off, had one
too many, gets the keys. He's like, I've done this
a dozen times.
Speaker 1: Fan, I'm fan.
Speaker 2: And the cars drive themselves at this point it's got
a newer car. I know, give me a way mow
the self dry. Having cars seems like a short distance thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a city thing for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not driving by highway too.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 2: Also, what happens if they hit me?
Speaker 1: I don't know the why I report that to They
kill you and keep good? Yeah, they eliminate you.
Speaker 2: A gun comes out of the back of the trunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just pops here. It's the last episode of
Breaking Bad. It's just a white Yeah. So at the time,
people think of Saint Louis as a French city. Was
founded by the French, but at the time it was
under Spanish control.
Speaker 2: So I actually rode for the French.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: On crime Corner the other day, why, I was just saying,
they got a bad rap man. The French and us
there are long lost. Maybe a cousin, Yeah, I think
a cousin, But like a cousin you're really cool with,
or you should be cool.
Speaker 1: Your older cousin. That kind of corrupts you a little.
Speaker 2: Maybe he got involved in a little too many drugs.
Speaker 1: Or your cousin, Like, you see him and you're like, oh,
I could have been him, got.
Speaker 2: Addicted to some like painkillers. Your parents are always like
you gotta you gotta avoid him at all costs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, I, he's fine.
Speaker 2: But like whenever you hang out here, it's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, dude, Steve's cool.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with Steve?
Speaker 1: What's wrong cousin Stevie?
Speaker 2: He might be drolling on himself on the cow.
Speaker 1: He said that bitch lied. He said that bitch was
a liar. That was exact words, Bob. And she's like,
you are nine years old, yeah, yeah, and Stevie is thirty.
This is a big family.
Speaker 2: He's a cool dude. I mean, look at how many
women he gets. Sure he has to pay for him, and.
Speaker 1: Sure a lot of them are liars according to him.
Speaker 2: But sorry, he's a truth teller. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Saint Louis at this time, even though it's a
French found a city under Spanish control. This is because
France founded Saint Louis but was getting absolutely worked by
the British in the War of eight or in the
Seven Years War aka the French and Indian War. So
France is like, oh, we're gonna get fucked and if
and we fucking hate the British, if we still control
the Louisiana territory, which when you think of the Louisiana territory,
you think of basically the Louisiana purchase right starts at Louisiana,
but then just get huge, huge, huge all the way out.
So the French are like, we don't want England to
have this. Fuck that, so they work on a secret
deal to seed all their territory west of the Mississippi
to Spain through the Treaty of fonton Blue in seventeen
sixty two.
Speaker 2: I think you nailed that pronunciation. So that's another cool
thing about the French. It just sounds like they're always
blowing someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in their mouth always.
Speaker 2: Uh, cigarette, peanuts, cheese.
Speaker 1: Soft cheese, hard cheese, doesn't matter. So they're like, we're
gonna give it to the Spanish because fuck, fuck the British,
and this will make the British even more powerful than
they already are. So they still do lose regions they
lose like Canada and shit like that, because the Spanish
have no ability to even control Canada, but the Spanish
do have some ability to get to New Orleans and
the other parts of Louisian territory.
Speaker 2: And Canada being part of Spain. I mean, yeah, right,
that's that just doesn't sit right with me.
Speaker 1: Well, good, I have good news.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, never happened now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they do so Spain gets to the Louisiana territory.
This is why the Spanish flag is one of the
flags at six Flags Saint Louis If that's why. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, when we bought the Louisiana purchase, did Spain have
an issue with that? I'd imagine no.
Speaker 1: They gave it back to France a few years before
Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, did they sell land? So I
think what happened didn't own. I don't totally know exactly.
Did we get ill gotten goods?
Speaker 1: Who cares? But I think what happened was Napoleon essentially
took over Spain in his wars. Yeah, and then was like, hey,
Louisiana's ours again. And then three years later, I believe
it was like three years later, was like, oh god,
I need money and sold Spain or sold the Louisian
territory to.
Speaker 2: Too, mainly because shit was popping off in Haiti and
he's like, this is a headache. Yeah, no, thank you,
I'm good.
Speaker 1: So in seventeen sixty five, Spain begins to officially govern
the region a couple of years. It took a couple
of years to get everything in, but England can't get
their hands on it. Fourteen years later, Spain enters the
American Revolution on the side of the colonies seventeen seventy nine.
Spain's official entrance into the war essentially made anything Spain
owned up for grabs on the New World Continent, on
the North American continent. Right, so, Florida, the Louisiana Territory.
England's like, fuck, Spain's in the war. But if we
can win, we can jack a lot of their shit,
maybe all.
Speaker 2: Of their shit opportunity. Yes, if we pull this off,
like we should right, like where the you know, we're
fucking brightness one thousand favored to win this. Yeah, we're
getting some more lamb boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So New Orleans, Florida, Saint Louis, All this shit
is now on the playing board for the British, and
at this point the British controlled everything, including the colonies,
like in North America, like in the continental United States, well,
you know, is the continent of the United States. The
British owned everything up to the Mississippi River, not Florida,
not Florida, but everything else. Yeah, well Spanish Florida actually
goes all the way to New Orleans over that, but
like north of that and to the Missipy River. They
they own that shit, right, so they want to take
more stuff. They want to control the Mississippi River Valley.
I don't necessarily think they're concerned with what would become
Montana one day, although they obviously want that too, But
they want to control the Mississippi River Valley, especially because
that's a fucking super highway in the middle of the continent,
the Mississippi River.
Speaker 2: They really wanted that. Wyoming and Montana lamb because they're
like the aristocrats, the rich. They need a place to
get away, they need a vacation home.
Speaker 1: They need to ski, they need to invent skiing and.
Speaker 2: Then go ski didn't have ski back then, they probably did.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the British did it, but I'm
sure the scanning. I know the Nordics had had skis.
Speaker 2: But the English have hills. They have like Giant Clare.
Speaker 1: But that's like going skiing in Missouri.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like going sled in with a
trash can lid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, wee, that's what I did.
Speaker 2: BJ's hill.
Speaker 1: We had.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There was a good hill by my plate by my
house in a bat and like a mediocre park hill
by my house. Went to both, but the good hill,
the good at the bottom of the good hill was
a frozen pond.
Speaker 2: Oh so you could fall into the pond.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it was frozen. But if you got
too much speed, you're going into that fucking pond.
Speaker 2: So many kids and dads got smoke though.
Speaker 1: That was always a fun thing to try to hit
people on.
Speaker 2: The hundreds of kids on one hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hitting people on the way down it's best, Yeah,
because then you got to walk all the way up
and you're literally, I'm you're a target aiming for people
on the way down there. So there's another reason the
British wanted to take out Saint Louis in particular, as well.
As I said, the Spanish were sort of unofficially against
the British in the war for a long time. Then
they officially entered the war, and Saint Louis was supplying
weapons to American fighters in the West, particularly George Rogers Clark.
I would come up from New Orleans up the river
go over to Clark. Clark was essentially so the war
was kind of contained to the colonies for the most part.
But then colonists were going out into the sort of
wilderness the west that would become the sort of Midwest
and sec country type of and they were taking that
land too, and just kind of claiming it for America,
being like asires now to fuck you, I don't care
if it's not part of Virginia or Carolina or whatever.
We're taking this too. So Clark had gotten all the
way to Cohokia in Illinois. He spent years in the
West fucking up the Indians at the British. The British,
by the way, did not have the manpower to deal
with this, so they were just paying Indians to murder
anyone that was coming in or any settlers who were
siding with the Americans.
Speaker 2: I saw a Native play with a ruby the size
of a tangerine did it for Spolt.
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure natives appreciated guns so they could even
the playing field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the British were giving them not just guns, but
like other like, I don't know, more economical things, just
stuff that improved.
Speaker 2: Weapons out there. I imagine the British didn't have a
short supply of weapons.
Speaker 1: No, No, they had plenty of weapons and they were
bringing those up through the Great Lakes basically in the
Canada and stuff like that. Whatever. I was gonna say,
the Eerie Canal, but that didn't exist yet anyway. George
Rogers Clark was just fucking shit up in the West,
helping settlers gain independence, a very underrated figure in the
American Revolution, and actually kind of helped the whole untamed
West Ohio Valley, Kentucky, all this stuff kind of become
part of America because even though we think of the
Thirteen Colonies, when America started, it basically extended all the
way to the Mississippi River.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't think about that because it wasn't really
our territory.
Speaker 1: We no one lived there. We didn't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Patrick Sinclair, who was the governor, the British
governor in Michigan. Basically it wasn't called Michigan brig Governor
of Michigan in seventeen eighty, once the Spanish were in
and everything was up for grabs, he told loyalist fur
traders to start going through the territories and recruit tribes
who were interested in taking Saint Louis. I was like,
we're gonna take this shit. We're gonna get it. We're
gonna take all of it, because even if we lose
this war, they're not gonna be able to take that back.
They don't have the manpower to take that back. We
don't even have the manpower to get It's why if
you go get Indians to get it.
Speaker 2: They're like, they put this sweet sauce on their meats
that we just can't get enough of. I mean, the
meat is not cooked very well, it's not prepped very well,
but it overcompensates for how bad the meat is. But
that that sweet, sweet sauce.
Speaker 1: That fucking delicious. Dude, Casey, barbie sauce is the best
barbie sauce. I don't want to hear it. And barbecue
sauce is a necessary part of barbecue. I don't want
to hear that either.
Speaker 2: I would say Kansas City barbecues top four.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Think about how much salty, fucking smoked
meat you eat in this goddamn state.
Speaker 2: One that gives you.
Speaker 1: Nothing to cut through it. It gives you nothing to
balance Still want, dude, nothing to balance it out. I'm
not saying I want sauce in every bite. I'm saying
I need it as a palate cleanser.
Speaker 2: I understand it's a different thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Some are children, some are real men.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you don't even like barbecue anymore.
Speaker 2: I've had so much. Yeah, say, and I have no dog.
Speaker 1: In the ring. When someone comes into the studio and
they're like, oh, Brough barbecue, We're.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, But as a man who grew up in
the Northeast, barbecue is not our thing. Clearly no. So
I gorged myself when I entered this, especially ten years ago.
You're a meat boy, big meat boy, big protein, protein,
gotta hit three hundred grams a day.
Speaker 1: They get a bunch of Indians, the British do, and
there's some British troops there too, and they're like, all right, good,
we got the people. And they also get French fur
trappers who are just like I fucky they make a
dime what they have, a doughty hobo. I have no
allegiance to any singles might sief. So they fucking they're
ready to go. They get between seven hundred and fifty
and one thousand Indians plus their European soldiers and fur
traders and stuff like that, and they're ready to go
take out Saint Louis. Meanwhile, in Saint Louis is the
lieutenant governor of the Louisiana Territory. Saint Louis, I guess
what you'd probably call the second most important outpost in
the territory after New Orleans. The Lieutenant Governor, Fernando de
Leba is there, and he's got a tiny garrison. He's
a Spanish infantry officer.
Speaker 2: I like the term garrison.
Speaker 1: It's a good, good term. You got a teeny type
better than fort. Well, it's not garrison. Is the men?
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Garrison?
Speaker 2: The garrison just means men. Yeah, Yeah, it's used in
so many like.
Speaker 1: Could mean fort too, Actually I don't know, I think it
is for but garrison means men typically, if.
Speaker 2: You want to look it up. Yeah, every game I've
ever played.
Speaker 1: It's like, we're taking this garrison, garrison the troops stationed
in a fortress or town to defend it, the actual troops. Yeah,
so the troops are the people in the ford of
the garrison.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm mistaken. So he's a.
Speaker 1: Spanish Spanish infantry officer born in a Spanish fort in
North Africa. Uh. Most people in Saint Louis didn't like them.
Most people in Saint Louis were pissed they were under
Spanish control because they were basically French and they were like,
this is annoying. Fuck these guys. They're not cool like
the French. They didn't like him, and he thought the
town was a shipthole. He didn't really like it either.
Speaker 2: He's like the French are a while back then too. Yeah,
you know, Lafayette came here because he essentially got kicked
out of French high society for not fucking, for not
cheating on his wife. They're like, we can't trust a
man who's faithful and loyal to his wife.
Speaker 1: They're like, you don't even want one fifteen year old misstress.
Speaker 2: No, and thank god because Lofayette was by the.
Speaker 1: Way, Lafaette came over here when he was like nineteen.
Speaker 2: That's an old man back then pretty much.
Speaker 1: So people in FCL did not like de Leeba. He
was very strict and buy the book. He thought the
town was gross, and the town was like, yeah, you
gross shit, So what fuck you man.
Speaker 2: It's not really a town at that point.
Speaker 1: It's a couple hundred people in town whatever.
Speaker 2: So either way, La Dilaba it was like, very, very
very it's like a rest stop.
Speaker 1: It is. It is a rest stop on the Misissippi.
That's what it is. The only problem is there's not
a lot of other ones, and it's the best port
on the Mississippi.
Speaker 2: You hit an interstate, you get one of those those
rest stops midday, you get a couple hundred people there.
Speaker 1: Easy, Yeah, it's probably true. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
It's a rest stop on Misissippi. So Dileaba, despite not
liking the town, he's very very by the book, very
duty bound guy. So he's just he's like, I'm gonna
do my job no matter what doesn't matter. So Diliba
is told by his superiors before the he's they're like,
you need to start supplying Clark in Kahokia give him
weapons like that, and he does. He's like, all right, whatever,
I follow orders by the fucking letter. I'm gonna do it.
And he gives the merchants of Saint Louis a big
list of ship to send to Clark, like weapons, food,
all this stuff, and the same everyone in Saint Louis
is pissed off because they're gonna be paid in like
colonial money basically, which is they're in a different country
pretty much.
Speaker 2: They're like, fuck this, get this monopoly money out.
Speaker 1: They're like, dogshit money. We don't want this fucking shit.
Speaker 2: It's like trying to pay somebody in confederate money.
Speaker 1: It is literally like trying to pay it's a rebellious
it's a rebellion's money. And they're like, dude, fuck this money.
Speaker 2: Have Confederate dollars gone up in value at any point
just for the historical significance, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably with like a Confederate dollar fifty dollars a
confederate money, let's going three hundred dollars on eBay.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's whatever somebody's willing to pay for it.
Speaker 1: But let's see an inflation calculator. We'll see what US
money appreciated in that time. Actually, I can only go
back to nineteen thirteen. What.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised no one's made like a confederate Oh wow,
Actually it's quite still worth quite a bit less than
fifty dollars in nineteen thirteen. Yeah, quite a bit less
Confederate coin though, How is that not a cryptocurrence at
this point?
Speaker 1: Can fed coin?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2: It seems like a layup. So I would love to
start her own crypto where we bamboozle the audience to
uh buy it and then pump and dump.
Speaker 1: Oh I had a I was talking about a scheme
with somebody about how we just start a book that
has like outrageous political prop bets that you know will
never come true, but just get people to bet on
it just because they're like, oh look it is I
put fifty dollars out of the and it pays out
it ten thousand to one if I win. And it's
like Michelle Obama has a twelve inch penis or something,
just shit, that is worth the.
Speaker 2: Hits though we're fucked. Fuck it's not going to but
if it does, hang on our face. Yeah, but that's
why you put the.
Speaker 1: Inches on there too.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Right, so first she has to have a penis and
then it has to be twelve inches, but.
Speaker 2: Like it's thirteen. I'm sorry, guys, it's.
Speaker 1: Either way though. You just get a bunch of like
red pill dudes. Just be like Luca, there's been It's hilarious.
I mean, while we walk away with like five grand Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I don't even feel bad about that. What about
I know, you know, we we start a coin with
a hot influencer or just a chick that's viral.
Speaker 1: This is how, you know, not that I didn't know
from the moment I saw the video that hawk Tua
has terrible parents, because anyone who came from an even
like normal household. It was like, Mom, Dad, I'm starting
I got to make some crypto coen off my off
my viral video, like if I can't, I was like, mom, dad,
I'm like thirty eight. And even still I was like, mom,
Dad checked this out. They'd be like, I don't think
you should do that. That sounds really suspicious. Let me,
you know, read the papers.
Speaker 2: You're gonna make a lot of money. You're gonna hurt
a lot of others.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you're gonna get you got that internet goal.
My Biby's got internet goal.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're NFTs. Really they were the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I guess what. It's the level of
where it's no longer moral to separate a fool from
his money? Is it? The amount? Is it? How outrageous
the scheme is because sports gambling.
Speaker 2: It's probably turning the entire country into a casino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sports gambling. Though. It's like, dude, if
you really think you're smarter than these people because you
watch so much.
Speaker 2: Football, I got news for you, bucco, you're not. Yeah,
they have so much information about everything.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel bad for those people because that's hubris.
That's costing them their money.
Speaker 2: I know. But guess what, dude, I won the day,
but they But here's the thing, I'll lose.
Speaker 1: The sports gambling. They at some level they understand that
they don't really know what they're talking about. One would imagine,
but like cryptocurrency or NFTs, they don't even understand what
that is. They understand what sports is. They understand how
teams can win and lose and and upsets happen and whatever.
But like this is like a It's like selling them
a planet.
Speaker 2: I'm getting back in the toolip market. You want to,
I think it's a bi low opportunity.
Speaker 1: So the Saint Louis's like, fuck this monopoly money. We're
not taking this shit. So Deleba, being a good being,
a good Spanish citizen, being a good servant to the crown,
is like, oh my god, these fucking people. And he's like, okay, fine,
I will pay for it myself and take their money.
And he goes into debt to supply personal debt, to
supply Clark with the weapons and stuff, just to just
just so he can follow the orders. At this point, also,
Saint Louis has no defenses and like I said, not
that big of a garrison. So Deleaba is like, hey,
we're at war with England. We're supplying their enemy, who's
literally right across the river. They're gonna come and attack us.
Can I have more troops? And the Spanish he sends
letters twice asking for true from New Orleans, never even
get the response, and then he's like, fuck, okay, I
gotta just deal with what I got here. But we
need to build defenses. And everyone in Saint Louis is like,
do we have to, like I don't want to, Like
I kind.
Speaker 2: Of seem to get my way around that.
Speaker 1: I kind of came here to like party and not
worry about shit.
Speaker 2: I'm here to be a criminal.
Speaker 1: You literally like I'm kind of just here to like
not be involved in society, and like you're talking about
all this, like society shit just coming to Nogamat like
a war or something. They don't give it.
Speaker 2: Why do I want to defend this. I'll just move
to another town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just move to some other shitthole outpost where
I can pay disgusting hookers.
Speaker 2: Make Justino, this is a circus. We just pack up
shop and move yeah, And he's like, oh my god,
oh my god. Okay, okay, I'll pay for that too.
That's like asking the man that is in charge of
the gravity trying to defend the fair no the car,
and he's not gonna do that. He's gonna get another job, right.
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh god, damn it, fucking fine, I'll
pay to build the defenses too, So he does, so
he puts down four. He eventually gets to the Saint
Loucient's to agree to help pay for the defenses if
he fronts forty percent of it himself. That's pretty low still.
It's like, but there's like hundreds of people, and he's
like he's a nobleman for sure. But he's like, fine,
I'll fucking pay for forty So he goes into like
massive debt just to pay to defend Saint Louis and
follow orders.
Speaker 2: It's like current day owners of sports teams trying to
build a stadium. Yeah, but guys, come on, I'll pay
forty percent. You guys got to cover the rest though.
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Speaker 1: They do. Her name is Magdalen de Honore.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really hit the sand now, but this chick.
Speaker 1: Way more impressive than Paul Revere. She hears about. She
hears from some Indians who are just like gossiping. They're like,
oh yeah, there's a big force. They're gonna come fuck
Saint Louis up. So she hears this translated it I
think they probably they Indian spoke French. I'd imagine point. Okay,
they've been in contact for two hundred years. So she
hears this, gets in a fucking canoe by herself and
paddles sixty miles down the Mississippi River.
Speaker 2: Whoa, well, probably downstream right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but she's mostly steering with the paddling. But
still the Mimsippi River is a is fucking terrifying. It
is humongous and fast.
Speaker 2: And she's doing all the work. Really not the horse.
Paul Revere's horse never gets the credit he deserves, he
does or she deserves. So she gets Revere. Wasn't he
like the second guy to show up in town?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The Paul Reader story is kind of bullshit, but
what I don't care. He's a lot of not something
that concerns.
Speaker 2: Me, stolen valor.
Speaker 1: I believe it's just a good story, and also it's
a good name.
Speaker 2: You couldn't give this chick credit.
Speaker 1: There should be a fucking statue over in Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: I guess because she's a woman and they don't really
care for that.
Speaker 1: Back then, the only way you're getting a statue as
a woman as if you, I guess, Hatchet, A bunch
of Indian children death, Like, what's.
Speaker 2: Your name, Hannah Dustin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember it.
Speaker 2: You did her repid?
Speaker 1: I did? I did it.
Speaker 2: It's okay, I have autism.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh Dilaba is like all right, fuck. So
he starts developing a plan for the village's defense. At
this point, all he has is a dogshit militia force
of one hundred and sixty eight, like just locals from
around the countryside, and he's got twenty nine Spanish troops.
Uh Delaba. One of the defenses he built was a
stone tower. He wanted to build four stone towers. He
was only able to get one done right. This tower
was thirty feet wide and three stories tall, which was
by far the biggest building in for one hundred miles probably.
Speaker 2: How many days was this tower built in?
Speaker 1: Forty forty days? Yeah, thirty nine? I thing actually, but it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of impressive. You know, you're on the clock, very sure.
Speaker 1: Very much on the clock. So the tower dubbed Fort
San Carlos. It basically gave them a view over the everything.
And it was built on a hill too, so it
gave him a complete view.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about all the permits they had to get,
all the bureaucratic the reddack.
Speaker 1: It's just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this statue or I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This tower was actually about a block away from Bush Stadium.
Speaker 2: You know, it's actually where Mark McGuire sixty second home
run landed, which is ironic.
Speaker 1: To say because his sixty second home run like just
squeaked over the fence. It was like the weakest home
run he hit all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and didn't the guy that actually caught the ball
was trying to like just get a photo in an
autograph from Mark McGuire.
Speaker 1: I actually think that was his seventieth because his sixty
second I think it was so low that it didn't
even hit the crowd. It like went into like the
dead space between the walls.
Speaker 2: So his you know, last home run of the season, his.
Speaker 1: Record setting home run, right the record was set at
seventy Yes.
Speaker 2: I believe the guy was just asking for a photo and.
Speaker 1: A bat, and Mark mcguireire was like, fuck off. Yeah,
literally was like, dude, fuck you, like just the roids
going crazy, just spazing out. And so the guy sold
it for like two million dollars that much better profit. Yeah,
because the guy was like being a boner of Saint
Louis and he was just like, oh gee whiz, mister McGuire.
I just love baseball in all of sports. Yeah, he's like, oh,
I want is a picture. Mark McGuire's like, fuck you.
You ever take Andrew.
Speaker 2: I've never taken any steroid. Okay, I've only taken for SUPs. Dog.
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but nobody can tell now because it show.
Speaker 1: You're wearing black. Yeah, slimming yourself.
Speaker 2: Family has been in town. I haven't got a good
lift in probably a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It didn't with say anything about shows.
Speaker 2: I'll get back to it.
Speaker 1: Boys, all right, well, let's get to it.
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Speaker 2: The only way the show's gonna the show's gonna grow
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So you should too, you should. We should get you
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Speaker 2: She needs to have fear, fear and know that there's
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Speaker 1: I agree, though, so.
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saying in the words of future. Bitch, don't get too comfortable.
Speaker 1: So they got the one tower. There was no more
time to build any of the towers, and the Saint
Lucian's didn't even want to, so he orders trenches. Delaibit
orders trenches to be dug. They dig about a mile
and a half worth the trench works to help defend
the city as well, and they stack a bunch of
cannons on top of the tower. So at this point
they have a one hundred and ninety seven men. One
hundred and sixty eight are useless militia basically, and every
man the militia was aged fifteen to fifty, so not
great on that front either. If you're between fifteen and fifty,
you are autoconscripted.
Speaker 2: Who would you rather be next to a fifteen year
old or a fifty year fifty? Unquestionably, fifteen year old's
a little bit more. He was gonna be busy.
Speaker 1: A malnourished fifteen year old, he might not be malnourished. Eh.
Speaker 2: The fifty year old, he falls, he breaks a hip,
he's dead.
Speaker 1: I think that fifteen year old's just gonna.
Speaker 2: That's a hard fifty too. It is a hard fit
a trade in post fifty. Yeah, give me the fifteen
year old all day, fair enough to be like my
fucking brother in arms.
Speaker 1: So Delaba's still like, God, we're so fucked. So he
goes to, uh, this French guy who lives a little
ways away in charge of a bunch of like hunters
and stuff like that, and uh, his name is Francois Valet. Anyway,
he gets Valet and his two sons and sixty well
trained and well equipped French militiaman to come help. And
this was especially useful because, unlike most of the people
in Saint Louis, these French guys actually had led to
use bullets for to make bullets out of, instead of
the pebbles and stones that many of the Saint Louisans
were planning to shoot out of their muskins.
Speaker 2: It's like getting hit by those those rubber bullets or
those or like a pepper bullet, a paintballet doesn't break.
Speaker 1: That's what the pepper rounds are. They're paintballs, just filled
with Pepper's.
Speaker 2: Gonna freeze them though, Yeah, that'll.
Speaker 1: Fuck you up. So on May twenty fifth, the British
sent out a scouting party to determine the situation in
Saint Louis. These parties weren't able to get close to
the village because a bunch of people were out there
like picking flowers in the fields and shit like that,
and they didn't want to give away their position. So uh.
They were also like, we were told Saint Louis didn't
have defenses.
Speaker 2: What is this There appears to be a tower, Like,
don't worry about that, that's that's not for defense.
Speaker 1: The British were literally like, it'll be harder to defend
Saint Louis than it is to take Saint Louis. Like
if we counterattack, that's the real problem. That's what they
thought would be the real problem.
Speaker 2: So the next day also was the benefit of taking
it to control that part of the Mississippi, I guess No,
it's a huge deal.
Speaker 1: It's a humongous deal.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was also a huge deal in the Civil War
that Missouri didn't go over to the to the Confederacy,
because then the entire Mississippi River would have been lost.
And that's a huge fucking deal.
Speaker 2: So they could have their little submarines in the Mississippi.
Speaker 1: No, so they could the trade and everything. It is
a big deal that Missouri state in the Union, arguably
the most important border state, maybe other than Maryland.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that big of a deal, honestly. St. Louis, Missouri.
You can have them, wouldn't have swung the tides.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna get into that too.
Speaker 2: We can have something you can justify any way you want.
You can try to spew all this propaganda for your
bullshit town and your dog shit state, but I'll have
none of it.
Speaker 1: So at one pm on May, I don't even remember
May something. The British attack, De Labor wrote the and
it's really the Indians attack. They the Dilabor wrote, they
rushed out of the forest or out of the woods
like mad men. A warning shot was fired from the tower,
and everyone kind of got to their their positions or whatever.
All the Indians attacked the Sioux, the Winnebagos, the Sok
the Meskawi.
Speaker 2: And they had Winnebagos.
Speaker 1: They had Winnebagos.
Speaker 2: Damn how'd they lose?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into that.
Speaker 2: There was somebody rolling off.
Speaker 1: The battles not go well. De Leaba essentially directed the
defense from the tower, even though he was violently ill
at the time. He had actually be carried up to
the tower. And unfortunately, just like the day before when
the scouting party was there, a bunch of civilians were
out in the fields when the attacks started, and the
civilians by far got the worst of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, they weren't just chilling tailgating watching the battle.
Speaker 1: No, No, they were just out doing their thing and
a fucking thousand people ran out of the woods to
kill them. One slave named Lewis saw an Indian running
towards him. He was like, I'm gonna die unless I
dive or what. He's like, I'm gonna die. So he
dives to the ground, trips the Indian and then beats
to death and then runs back to the trenches being like.
Speaker 2: I goes musket check it out. Nice score for the slave. Yeah,
initially he survived the battle, was not given his freedom
and actually was you know, beaten on the job.
Speaker 1: He was punished for owning something yeah days later. Yeah. So,
initially the city the battle was not going well. The
city seemed like it was gonna be overwhelmed. But Fort
San Carlos, that tower has some cannons on it, okay,
and those cannons started ripping.
Speaker 2: They had the high ground too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Indians called it called Fort San Carlos.
Speaker 2: The House of Thunder the boomstick.
Speaker 1: On the first volley, two of the Indian tribes, the
sok and the Mescawi and Meswaukee fell back and were like,
fucked this, We're out. We were told that there were
not defenses. They just fucking left.
Speaker 2: As a native, that has to be the most terrifying
thing to come across.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're used to it at this point. They've
been dealing with for twohundred years. Still, but they're still
just like, I'm sorry. I was told there would be
no tower with cannons.
Speaker 2: That appears to be a tower and also cannon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was told this was gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: I thought I was getting scalps. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the Wapasha and the Sioux kept attacking for several hours,
and they had an interesting tactic. They knew they couldn't
take the trenches and they knew the tower was a problem,
so they were like, let's try to draw the Saint
Louis's out. So they took a bunch of people they
captured from the fields and just started killing them horrifically
out of range. Cool just torturing them, chopping them to pieces.
Speaker 2: Hey we got your kid here, your wife, yeah, got
your mistress.
Speaker 1: And we're cutting their hands off, cutting their heads off,
Hey we got your father in law.
Speaker 2: Keep them.
Speaker 1: This actually pissed off the people in the trenches and
they're like, we gotta go, we gotta go fight, we
gotta get these people. And Delabah was like, now it's
a fucking trap. Yeah, it's always absolutely attractory to get
you out. I'm sorry you have to listen to these
people be tortured, but that's war, baby.
Speaker 2: We've been trying to get you out of the thunder castle.
Speaker 1: Delabah was like, we're staying, fucking put uh, And the
cannons kept going, the volleys kept coming from the trenches.
Eventually the force was like, dude, we're not taking this
fucking city. Fuck this, and they left. They destroyed a
bunch of crops, killed livestock, more civilians and buildings as
they went. They pissed in the wells and basically they
just tried to assault the earth as they left. On
the other side of the river, they attacked Kahokia, where
George Rogers Clark was, but the Indians rolled up. They
saw that George Rogers Clark was there. They knew his
reputation as being just as fucking mean as they were,
and they were like, oh, George Rogers Clark is there.
Uh Nope, and they just left.
Speaker 2: That's called respect.
Speaker 1: They were like, nah, nope. Between fifty and one hundred to.
Speaker 2: Be feared than loved. That's probably on his gravestone.
Speaker 1: He was only feared. He does have a big monument
in Indiana George Rogers Clark, though.
Speaker 2: How hard is it to get a monument in Indiana?
It's a couple of basketball players in this guy pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. George Rogers Clark, though, was overshadowed in history by
his own family member.
Speaker 2: What was the last time? Sorry, Clark Lewis and Clark Yep, yeah,
that was his younger brother. Younger brother is kind of
a pussy why he said that never fought.
Speaker 1: He might have, Actually he might have served, but I
believe he was an army officer.
Speaker 2: He was in fact. Yeah, whatever, he's making friends with
the natives, just going on quest and voyages.
Speaker 1: I wonder what Clark fought it. If he fought, he's yeah,
he fought a little. He fought some indigenous wars, I
don't think he fought in the American Revolution.
Speaker 2: They probably fought on the indigenous side.
Speaker 1: Uh No, he definitely did. But yeah, he didn't fight
in the revolution. He was born in seventeen seventy.
Speaker 2: Do you think him and Lewis were just giving it
to Saga Juey.
Speaker 1: I think one of them was. One of them was
in a relationship with her.
Speaker 2: They weren't double team in her. Well, just spit roasenter.
Speaker 1: What happened to what happens on the Missouri River stays.
Speaker 2: It seemed like a thropple America's first.
Speaker 1: Actually, no, Ben Franklin was in probably a thousand of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come on, So.
Speaker 1: About one hundred people died between fifteen one hundred were
either killed, wounded.
Speaker 2: Or captured.
Speaker 1: Almost all the casualties were civilians. A few weeks later,
the labor died of the sickness that had befallen him,
although he was posthumously promoted to lieutenant colonel by the
Spanish King. Here's where the important part comes in. The
British never again tried to take Saint Louis or the
Mississippi Valley.
Speaker 2: They never tried to begin with. It was the natives they.
Speaker 1: Did try then it was gonna be British.
Speaker 2: They sent in just They're like, we're not actually putting
real britishmen.
Speaker 1: Had the English taken the upper Mississippi Valley, that land
would have never ever been American. It would have stopped
American westward expansion dead at the Mississippi River. The rest
of the west would have remained Mexico and would have
probably been Canada at this point.
Speaker 2: No, the battle not stop manifest destiny the battle. No,
you can can't.
Speaker 1: The English did it multiple times. This battle completely changed
the course of the content. Because the British take this,
take Saint Louis. A counter attack is not coming. They
are not giving it back. The Americans don't have the
manpowered it.
Speaker 2: Run from it, delay it. It's all the same.
Speaker 1: It would have been another war with the British in
the eighteen forties or fifties, which we would have gotten
wiped in.
Speaker 2: No way did That's when we were bucking. We were
a dog to Mexico and we fucking pushed their shit.
Speaker 1: Were a dog to Mexico.
Speaker 2: Also a Mexican American war. We did not take enough land.
Uh yeah, we should have went further.
Speaker 1: We wanted to But the guy negotiating, I'm gonna do
a episode.
Speaker 2: He was too nice.
Speaker 1: It was too nice. All of this over a battle
between about a thousand people.
Speaker 2: We should have had all the way down to Guatemala
one day. Do you remember all your Central American countries? No? No,
we had a saying to remember them.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Good boys eat hogies, not cold pizza.
Speaker 1: Okay, Guatemala, good boys, good Guatemala boys. Believee eat Ecuador, hogis, Honduras?
What is it?
Speaker 2: What does it Nicaragua?
Speaker 1: I mean, not cold piz Nicaragua coast. There you go.
That's the most Philadelphia think I've ever in my life.
But yeah, that is the story of the Battle of
Saint Louis that forever changed the course of the United
States of America in the American Revolution. What'd you learn today?
Speaker 2: I learned to say you're welcome, that Saint Louis has
and always will be full of people that think they're
more important than they.
Speaker 1: It's accurate.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's not Ecuador, it's els Abador. All right,
Damn I they correct you there real time.
Speaker 1: I'm stupid. I don't know what, don't care.
Speaker 2: Who's today Taylor putting total dirt bags into position where
they have to. It's like essentially hiring the suicide squad
to defend your city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a bad way to put it. It was
all just dirty, dirty, filthy criminals and like just people
who didn't give a fuck. I mean they were literally
there to make money and not have to live by
the rules of society.
Speaker 2: What are we some kind of supicide squad?
Speaker 1: Pretty much, that's a terrible movie.
Speaker 2: Terrible line in fact that Will Smith had to deliver that. Yeah,
I'm sure it ate away at him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he liked that director. This is a second movie
with David Ayre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of falling off. Actually, I don't think
Will Smith has a movie over like seventy percent on
Rotten Tomatoes. Not that that matters.
Speaker 1: No, I don't care about that at all. Now, Well
that's all I got for today. Yeah, boy, you're welcome.
Saint Louis made this country what it is.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Patreon this week Wednesday Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's all I got for for Damner Dresser,
I Robin Fox, you just got saucers