1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Hey, if this is the first time that you've joined 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,120 me on this experience and this adventure, please visit arow 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,039 dot net A r r oe dot net. There's so 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,599 much more than just the conversations, the interviews, the movies, 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,960 the rockstars. Aro dot net A r r oe there's 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,239 a podcast for everyone. Hi Erro, Hello and good morning 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,559 you too. How are you doing today? 8 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: Hi, good morning, ma'am. 9 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: We're excited, well you have. You have every reason to 10 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:30,760 be excited because you're taking viewers to a place that 11 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:34,399 we've only assumed for so many years. And the reason 12 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:36,600 why is because when it comes to a Ponzi scheme, 13 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,399 we we know what hits the headlines, but we don't 14 00:00:39,399 --> 00:00:41,679 get the afterlife, nor do we get the pre life 15 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:44,159 or the pre role. And you're you're taking us into 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,079 an area. Oh my god, Mallory, I'm praying for you. 17 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:49,600 I don't know how you even trust even me sitting 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,240 here right here. 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: You know, it was definitely a journey to trust again, 21 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,880 and I did put. 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: My trust in Rebecca and. 23 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,599 Speaker 3: Started the healing process through this process of three years 24 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:09,719 of filming this three years. 25 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Rebecca, did you know it would take that long because 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,319 I mean that's a lot of digging and making sure 27 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:16,920 that everything that you've got is authenticity and not clickbait. 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,719 Speaker 4: It was a deep journalistic dive. I'm really proud of 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,760 what our team did. You know, there were a lot 30 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,120 of people who hundreds of people who lost their entire 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,400 life savings in this Ponzi scheme, and so we felt 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,599 it really was our duty to figure out who was involved, 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,599 who knew what when we like, where are the two 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,319 hundred million dollars that are still missing? Where is that money? 35 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:50,719 Because there are a lot of people who could really 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 use it at this point. So and we told the 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,519 story this was an interesting Ponzi scheme because he recruited 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,920 his closest friend who a lot of business school with him, 39 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:07,040 and they had successful careers and finance and banking, and 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,560 so it was a really intimate story and we tried 41 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:12,719 to you know, I really wanted to tell the story 42 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:16,360 through his inner circle, the people who were closest to 43 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:21,680 him and went on this entire journey with him. 44 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Mallory, I mean, it's like you go back and you 45 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:27,199 revisit all of the friends and everything that they did together, 46 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,319 the airplanes, the boats, everything that was going on, and 47 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,319 it's like, I can't understand how you stay so strong 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,840 in a situation like this. It was all playing out 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,080 right there in front of you, and even Zach's friends say, hey, 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,000 we didn't see anything wrong. 51 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: You know, Zach was really good at making everyone feel 53 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,159 really seen and connected and appreciated and loved. 54 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:54,759 Speaker 2: But then he also was. 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,599 Speaker 3: Masterful at keeping his relationships at like arms distance apart. 56 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:04,520 So as much as you know we were all intertwined, 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,520 we also weren't. And how he we all trusted him, 58 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,639 and I now I witnessed that watching it back. You know, 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,680 he would tell certain friends certain stories, but then say like, no, 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,800 don't tell maw. You know, that's super weird. 61 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:18,599 Speaker 4: But like. 62 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,159 Speaker 3: People just did what he said. I don't know how 63 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,159 to explain it. It was very much more like a 64 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,240 cult like following that he had on everyone. 65 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Oh it's money, it's money, it's it's you're going to 66 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:34,240 do what we're going to do this party. We're going 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,960 to take an aeroplane ride to this. Oh I can 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,000 get addicted to this real fast. 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely, he provided quite a lifestyle for people around him. 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: He was very generous. M hmm. 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: Wow, Well, Rebecca, I don't know if it's because Charlotte 72 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,080 is a banking city, but Ponzi schemes around here, we're 73 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,319 always getting involved with them. And the thing is that 74 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,400 I'm going into this with a different point of direction 75 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,080 because there are people that we know that that were 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,080 part of this Ponzi scheme and it's like, oh my god, 77 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:03,520 what is the reaction. I'm studying this as somebody who 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,400 has lived in a community that knows about these things. 79 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,199 And if you think you're gonna stop at one one series, 80 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:12,240 this is this could easily turn into several seasons. 81 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:16,879 Speaker 4: I see. I'm not sure I'm the one for that 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,040 this was my Ponzi scheme story. 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: But listen. 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,079 Speaker 4: One of the things, one of the takeaways that I think, 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 I don't want to speak for Mallory, but we you 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,319 know that I hope people take away from this is 87 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,279 to really trust your instinct and if it seems too 88 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:38,199 good to be true, it is too good to be true. 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: And how these really smart business majors, people who had 91 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:50,000 backgrounds in finance, didn't like the red flags. Weren't there 92 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:53,519 when you were making eighty percent returns in you know, 93 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,439 twelve months or nine months. It made no sense. And 94 00:04:57,519 --> 00:04:59,759 so when something makes no sense, you really need to 95 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,879 stay up back and look at it and not get 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,639 caught up and greed and like, we're just not going 97 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,720 to think about it because we're making so much money. 98 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Rebecca and Mallory 99 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:14,560 coming up next. The name of the show Hollywood Hustler, Glitz, 100 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:18,240 glam Scam. We're back with Rebecca and Mallory. You fell 101 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,120 in love with Zach as a teenager. What an innocent moment, 102 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,160 and then you continue to grow. Is that the reason 103 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,759 why the trust and the and the and the strength 104 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,319 of the relationship was so strong? 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,959 Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, absolutely. I mean I was nineteen i met him. 106 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:37,480 I was, you know, a naive young girl from a 107 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:40,920 small town in Indiana, and I met him, I fell 108 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:43,680 in love, and then things progress. 109 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: You know. 110 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: It's like we moved to Chicago because he had grad 111 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,639 school and I got into a competitive internship there. 112 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,959 Speaker 2: You know, I just didn't I always had a. 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,079 Speaker 3: Purpose like a job with him, and then we would 114 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,519 Then we moved to la together and I went to 115 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,000 hair school, and then you know, we organically grew our 116 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,439 careers separately, and we went from a you know, a 117 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,639 small apartment to a little bigger apartment, to a bungalow 118 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,439 than to a house. 119 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,439 Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just an overnight thing. 120 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: I think that's what people need to realize, is this 121 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,600 is a relationship for twelve years that started when I 122 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,279 was nineteen. And if you can take yourself back to 123 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,120 those naive years of like learning about the world and 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,399 growing as a person, and you're doing that with who 125 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,560 you think is your soulmate through the whole whole time, 126 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:37,399 there was deep levels of trust there. I trusted him 127 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:38,560 more than anybody in the world. 128 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, the show we're talking about is Hollywood hustler, glitz, 129 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:45,079 glam scam Rebecca. When you get this close to a story, 130 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,959 how do you not become a part of the story 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,160 in the way because I just watching it, I'm emotionally involved, 132 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:54,920 and it's like, how did Rebecca have that separation between 133 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,519 church and state there to still be the journalist. 134 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 4: I think, you know, you always keep a certain separation, 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:09,600 but I also really develop real relationships with the characters 136 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,560 who are in this uh in the series, because there 137 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,879 were a lot of really exceptional people who are involved 138 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:22,240 in this story. So it's it's a it's a balancing act. 139 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:27,759 Speaker 3: Zech was really good at picking people that were that 140 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:30,839 were good people, that they were like vulnerable people. You know. 141 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,240 He had a way to surround himself around himself with 142 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,399 a certain type of person. 143 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,519 Speaker 4: And it made for a great calling card when you 144 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,199 had these very wholesome but successful aspirational finance guys who 145 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,800 they go back, you know, way back with each other 146 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,360 and they're out raising money for him, and it was 147 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,040 very smart setup. 148 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, creating there's a there's a serious trigger 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,800 moment here because if you knew how many people over 150 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:04,639 the past four decades that I've talked with in the 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 radio industry and even today creating digital stations, I have 152 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,399 something that will change your life. And you know, today 153 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:12,519 I can say, oh, okay, get back to me when 154 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:14,879 you're talking real deal. But back in those early days, 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,199 if someone were to say that to me, I'm investing, 156 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:19,399 I'm going that direction. And thank god I have a 157 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:20,920 wife that sits there and kicks me in the knee 158 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,639 and says, what are you doing dude? 159 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:25,639 Speaker 2: Exactly? 160 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,519 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we live in a society that really 161 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:34,039 places a lot of value on that. It's the American dream, right, 162 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:39,600 anyone can get rich, and so a lot of people 163 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,000 end up going down that rabbit hole. 164 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: So how have you reacted, Mallory in the way that 165 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,000 I know that when my my wife separated from her 166 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,600 rock star husband he got the band, she had to 167 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,679 go and start a new life. Is that the angle 168 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,440 you had to go to, is you, I have to 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,360 just start all over. I have to get all new friends, 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,720 I have to get in all new everything. 171 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: I started. 172 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,519 Speaker 3: As far as far as starting over, like financially and 173 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,720 all that, yes, absolutely, you know. 174 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:10,039 Speaker 2: I left that marriage with absolutely nothing. 175 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: I moved back in with my parents in their basement 176 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,000 where I had. 177 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,159 Speaker 2: My one year old and three year old, and I 178 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:17,519 was there for a year. 179 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,279 Speaker 3: Until I could have enough money saved to buy a car, 180 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,000 and then eventually got you know, on government funding to 181 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,240 help with childcare costs because. 182 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: As parents we know childcare is a very. 183 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: Expensive and being a single woman that has nothing, that 184 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:36,279 was something I. 185 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: Needed though to grow my career. 186 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: So I started self teaching myself how to utilize programs 187 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,799 to try and get ahead, and did it one little 188 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,320 step at a time, and over the course of four 189 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 and a half years, I'm very proud of myself that 190 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:54,360 I've gotten to a place where I support my family 191 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,799 and my children by myself, and I have a career. 192 00:09:58,519 --> 00:09:59,039 Speaker 2: That I love. 193 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: And yeah, you know that's kind of. 194 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Where we're at now. 195 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: Wow, ten minutes with you guys is not enough. Is 196 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:09,960 there a website where people can go to find out 197 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:12,440 more and to really because they're gonna, they're gonna come 198 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,039 to you. They're injured. They want to have answers as well. 199 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: They should go to mal Well, go to Prime Video 200 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:24,320 and watch the series, and then they should go to Mallory. 201 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,919 Speaker 2: Wait are we talking about like women like connecting? 202 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you should be on a speaking tour. 203 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:31,600 I think you should be on a speaking tour talking 204 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:33,440 to moms all over this nation because there's a lot 205 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,200 of single moms out there and even single dads that 206 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,799 are trying to survive and they need somebody who has 207 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:39,360 lived it. They've been to hell and they don't want 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,240 others to go back. 209 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, I have connected with a lot 210 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:47,679 of women through this process, and I'm pretty determined to 211 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,480 turn this very painful experience into a purposeful one and 212 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,679 to be very vulnerable with people so they feel seen. 213 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Wow, please come back to this show anytime in the future. Mallory. 214 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,120 If you've got a message that needs to get out there, 215 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,080 even even if you know the show is long gone 216 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,159 and forgotten, which it will not be, the thing is 217 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,440 still reach out with your message of hope. 218 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,519 Speaker 3: Yeah that I'm just I just want to show that 219 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,360 you can rise from levels of skill that you didn't 220 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,679 think you could, but you can, and I promise you 221 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:21,000 you can. 222 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,519 Speaker 1: Wow. Will you guys be brilliant today? 223 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. You'd be brilliant too. 224 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh God, thank you for giving it back to me. 225 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,879 Heck yeah, thank you.