Speaker 1: Hello and welcome everyone. I'm Martin. Willis your host, and
beside me is my producer Donna, who watched Disclosure Day
with me. Welcome Donna. Glad to have you here. Yes,
and so this is your warning here before we get started.
Whether you're on audio or video, this is going to
be a spoiler alert show. So if you have not
seen Disclosure Day and you don't want to know anything
about the film, simply just skip this show. If you
watch it or not watched it and you just want
to hear what UFO podcasters have to say, then hang
around and listen in. I'm also joined by UFO Jack. Hey, Jack,
good to see you. I'm doing Kelly. Nice to have you, Sam.
And if I was going to try to pronounce your
last name, it's Milo Dragovic. Did I do it right?
Or close?
Speaker 2: Martin? That is within spin ef ye.
Speaker 1: And by the way, look for both Kelly and Sam
as new co hosts along with Jack and myself or
our UFO headlines. We have the first one together coming
up on Wednesday, but they're going to be Wednesdays instead
of Thursdays. The first Wednesday of every month, which lands
right on July first, and we're going to be talking
about the latest file dump, and people are in Chad
have been talking about the Chinese balloon, which I just
happened to be right underneath. We both were when it
was shot down in Myrtle Beach. What was that three
years ago? Now? It's hard to keep track of it all.
So the format of this is conversational, so keep that
in mind. Is going to be round robin and we're
these are just our opinions. Whatever we say here, just
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I want to thank everyone that supports the show. Just
another thing I mentioned last night on last night's show,
for those of you who missed it. Before I get
into night's discussion, I'd like to share a quick clip
from my new playlist called Tesla Takes a Wheel. I've
actually wanted a Tesla since two thousand and eight, and
after all these years, I've finally got one. And I
got to tell you it's one of the most fascinating
pieces of technology I have ever owned. Sometimes it's brilliant.
Sometimes it's puzzling and it definitely seems to have a
mind of its own. And I've talked with other Tesla owners,
and everyone that I've talked to they give their Tesla
a name. I think it's hilarious. So in this clip,
I decided to take the car off road and then
I pressed the button that said full self driving and
to see what would happen, and it almost ended badly.
Here it is, well, okay, I see lots of mud.
We're not going water and mud swamp. Got myself into
a swamp. Now I'm wondering with this thing telling me
to stop. All right, I'm going to try to turn
around in here. That's all wheel drive and it's an SUV.
So I'm trying to convince myself why I did something
crazy like this. That's it. There's a whole bunch of
them on full self driving and the new software updates
all that. I'm trying to make it entertaining for everyone,
and I realized this type of content isn't for everyone,
and that's perfectly fine. So if you see one of
these videos pop up, it's only going to be on
the YouTube channel. It's not your thing. Feel free to
skip past. It, and for those of you are interested
in technology, AI and autonomous driving, I made a separate
playlist and you'll find that link down below. And thank
you all for listening. And let's get into it. So
everyone here in this room has seen Disclosure Day, and
I don't know who should start? Do you want to start?
Speaker 3: I'll stop because yay, why not? I wanted to love it.
I was anticipating It's Spielberg, It's Disclosure.
Speaker 1: And all the hype.
Speaker 3: I was really anticipating something different. So I liked it.
I thought it was a good science fiction movie. I
think when I came out of the theater of my
reaction was I was dishettened a little bit because I
expected something different and what I expected because I am
knowledgeable about the subject, I expected a little more depth
about it. And really what it is a Steven Spielberg
science fiction movie, and it has a lot of the
components of the UFO phenomenon, but he threw in some
extra things for the other people. I felt was a
little action adventure and some things components that I really
didn't think belonged in the UFO our world. They were
like that there was a whatever he was doing by
location or something when Colin Firth is going into whatever
viewing remote like that remote viewing, but he's in two
places remote viewing really as you're here and you're going,
but his actual body was somehow transporting and though that's
not really And then I wondered about this magical device,
what that was, and I thought, well, the magical sticks.
In the end, I think I was looking. I was
going through my uf knowledgeable brain and expecting a little more.
And I'm still glad it's addressing the phenomenon. I think
that's fabulous, and I'm glad he incorporated those things. And
I think it's a good Spielberg film. It doesn't quite
have the magic I don't think that maybe ET and
Close Encounters had, but he made that movee and I
just thought it would be a little bit, a little
bit more meat and maybe from the time of disclosure
on instead of leaving leading to that moment. So I
just guess I expect it a little different.
Speaker 1: That's it, Thank you, all right. So I just wanted
to say that I agree with a lot of what
you say here, but I also realized that we're in
the UFO world and there's that's a very tiny fraction
of the people out there, and he has to make
this for all audiences. He has to make this exciting.
So if you look at it from a science fiction
type of angle, I think he did really well. The
quality was there, the music, the scores were great. It
was dramatic. I thought some things were hokey, but I'm
thinking of it in the mind of a UFO person
and the CGI animals for one, the stick thing, I
thought that was interesting. Also, I know they had to
build the character. And just keep in mind, if you're
listening this far, you just come in spoiler alert. We're
alerts here. We're going to be talking about details in
the movie. So they had to make it so like
a whistleblower type of guy that snuck out all these
files and then he saw this alien getting harmed and
that's why he came forward. I thought that was an
interesting turn, and there was a lot of turns and
things in the movie. But I'm just starting the conversation here.
Who wants to go next? We can't have dead air
too long?
Speaker 2: Oh no, dead Air, Sorry, we're here. This is Sam
for listeners. I agreed with a lot of what Donna said.
It was for me, it tried to be too many
things to too many people, and failed to be any
one thing for any one person. It suffered from dilution
of message. I thought, in that attempt, like you said, Martin,
for it to appeal to a demographic beyond our very
small like UFO weirdo field, I thought it touched on
a lot of interesting things. One of the I think
something for me that was a good example of scratching
the surface of some of the broader and deeper aspects
of the whole idea of disclosure in the phenomena was
the character of Jane, who was a former novitiate at
a what is it? What's the convent? I don't know,
And I thought that was they paid lip service to
the idea that the revelation of extraterrestrial or non human
intelligence from somewhere else would cause the religious structures on
Earth to collapse and cause people to fail in their
beliefs and the churches would fall, which I personally I
think is a pretty narrow, short sighted view of what
humanity is capable of and adapting to. And I don't
feel like that was ever. She had a great conversation
with her mother superior about whether or not the Bible.
The Christian Bible comported with the idea of their life
in other places, and I thought that was actually a
really cool part where they're quoting I won't butcher whatever
exact verse it was, but the point was that God
created all life on earth, and it didn't imply or
in our likeness in His likeness on earth, and it
didn't imply that was the only place there was earth.
So I thought that was like an elegant way of
dealing with that. But I also think that is one
of the many specs that warranted a deeper and more,
I don't know, a more serious dive into some of
those implications that could result. And that's just one arena
that I saw. And the mcguffin, I don't, I don't,
I guess, I don't know why this advanced race would
need that stick to do their things. And I felt
like it was very much a throwback to the action
venture movies where they're chasing the Golden Idol or the
multice facin or the Jedi Holocron or something like that. Is, yeah,
serves a purpose probably larger than its actual existence would warrant.
But yeah, those were my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sam, I just want to show this picture
I took in the theater because it's I think it's
the only picture I can actually put up without getting
a coffee copyright strike. You have to be real careful
about that. So who wants to go next? Kelly or Jack?
Speaker 4: Jack should go?
Speaker 5: Let's hear Jack, all right, Jack, Sam, I love me
a good Jedi holocron. That was a good Star Wars
reference there. I just tried to type it into the
chat and what is the stream yard? The service? It
wouldn't let me post it, Martin.
Speaker 1: It wasn't allowed.
Speaker 5: It was like improper.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was about.
Speaker 5: But anyways, I listening to you guys, I feel a
little embarrassed. Not gonna lie before I talked to everyone
here on the call as a UFO had at least,
I like to think of myself as one kind of
the film. I felt like it was bad for the
sci fi crowd. I thought the movie sucked. I think
the music was great, but it was it didn't fit
the film in my opinion. It was like, yeah, you
hear some movie too. Yeah you had John Williams, what's
his name, John Williams Williams and he did Star Wars,
Harry Potter, like all these.
Speaker 4: He is the composer of our time. He's the guy.
Speaker 2: He's done it all.
Speaker 5: Any movie you're gonna remember it's his music. But in
this film, I was just kind of it felt like
it had all star music, but it didn't fit with
the film that Spielberg was trying to create. I felt
like the trailer was better than the movie from a
sci fi enthusiast, just a non UFO person. But I
think piggybacking off of what you said, Sam saying that
they was it did too much and it diluted the
whatever the message that was he was trying to convey
as a UFO had. I was like, oh, man, I
was watching and I was like he was touching on
all these little UFO things in the wand I hear
you guys say that you didn't like it, but it
reminded me of Mario Woods. They had a wand when
he got abducted that had a light up thing at
the end and that I don't know, it just reminded
me of that, and I felt Spielberg was kind of
like drawing on all of these different even at the
end of the film, do you guys remember when the
role in the b roll on the news station in
the movie, and to me, it looked like it was
the Penttrick UFO case with the diamond shaped UFO fine
in the background. And then there was another UFO case
one in Pennsylvaniaah, yeah, that got referenced. I was in
my UFO dude in me was like, oh my crap,
this is great.
Speaker 6: In such the main film.
Speaker 5: But maybe I just dumbed down my expectations because I
felt like I totally get what you're saying, where yeah,
it was a little bit too much, kind of took
away from the story. It absolutely was. And yeah, the
invisible cloaking thing and then making yourself appear in two
locations at once, I absolutely get that too. Definitely hokey
for me. I just maybe I just love the UFO
thing too much. If you just throw a couple things
in there, I'm just gonna love the whole film. So
maybe that's what it was. But like, at least nobody's
gonna know the Petrick UFO case. Nobody's gonna know the Kecksburg,
Pennsylvania UFO case. But guess what Steven Spieler put it
in his film for two seconds and billions of people
are going to see that. I think there's a lot
of value in that, But that's my take. I felt
like for the sci fi and in the theater, you guys,
I just saw it last night, so it's fresh, But
like people were like the it was not a very
positive experience in the theater with all the muggles and
the non UFO people in there.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I felt like they didn't even realize
what they were seeing, how much research was actually in
that film and all these historical cases, nobody's gonna know,
like Martin, one of my favorite I know it wasn't
in the film, but I felt like it should have
been the Area fifty one UFO case in Missouri before
before Area fifty one even occurred, the UFO crash landing.
I forget what it was called.
Speaker 1: What was it, Kelly, Cape.
Speaker 6: Girardau oh, Cape Girardo, Like, nobody's going to know these cases.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's my take.
Speaker 1: What are you, Kelly? And wait before you go there,
I just wanted to You mentioned the trailer, and I
thought it was really funny because that trailer when she's
up there and she did a wonderful job Emily Blunt,
by the way, but when she was up there doing
the language, I can't do it. And then as a
weather yeah, go ahead, try as a weather person. And
I was saying after we watched the trailer, we did
a review in the trailer, and I said, boy, that
weather person sure gets a lot of views because I
had the people on the trains that had the nuns.
And but that was just a cut from at the
very end of the movie when they were showing the
rail films. It was so they mixed the trailer up
to change expectations when you got there. And now George
turn Kelly.
Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm probably more on the Jack end of
the spectrum. I knew that I was going to do
this to myself. I hyped myself up way too much
for this movie. I've been looking forward to it forever,
so I knew going in it wasn't going to live
up to my expectations. And yeah, I'm with Jack. Some
of the action slash sci fi elements, like it might
be the worst car chase I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 5: It was pretty bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was real bad. The CG. I'm a little
bit more forgiving about because I've heard Whitley and other
experiencers talk at length about just the uncanny valley of
what they see, and it doesn't quite match what it's
supposed to look like, because obviously it's a mask that's
being put on by whatever NHI is. And so the
idea that the animals wouldn't really look like real animals
but would look like a fantasy, almost like there was
a nod to snow white, right, they were almost like
snow white woodland creatures. And I actually that worked for me.
The CG was bad, but that worked for me. I
thought that I know we're doing it's okay for spoilers,
but like the very end, the creature at the very end,
I thought the CG on that was pretty good. I
was happy with that. I actually think the performances saved
the movie for me. I think the script was pretty
darn bad, and I think that the acting is the
only reason that the script wasn't a complete distraction for me.
I think Emily Blunt especially did a phenomenal job. I
think Josh O'Connor did a really good job. Colin Firth
is always good. I loved the Hugo character that that
was for me even more the heart of the movie
than Emily Blunt's character. And I've heard people talk about this,
but towards the end of the movie, when we're watching
the a newscast, the woman who was being you know,
acting as a newscaster, apparently she is a former newscaster herself.
I thought her performance, the live like digestion of what
was going on, was probably the best performance in the movie,
and that was one of the most things for me. Yeah,
I think the movie was and don I think you
were getting at this. For me, the movie was just oversimplified,
like it was too cookie cutter to like little kid
version of what this story is. And obviously they're never
going to be able to tell the complexity that all
of us be happy with. I feel like it was
treated so simplistically. This like govern bad knowledge good and
to be honest, one of my friends brought up this,
and I thought this was interesting given all the political
stuff surrounding Aliens, dot gov and all of this. I
think some people have brought up whether there was some
deliberate political messaging in there that Spielberg, I know, is
definitely on the opposite end of the spectrum. Politically, but
I thought that was something interesting to contemplate because the
timing is interesting. Final thought, I did hear there were
like forty two drafts of the script written, so that
and I don't know enough about Spielberg's process to know
whether that's like normal for a Spielberg film or whether
that's really abnormal. It sounds like a lot to me,
but I don't know if that was indicative of a
lot of stuff being changed. If I want to be
a conspiracy theorist, I could say like stuff that was
maybe forced to be changed. I have nothing to back
that up other than wanting to believe there is more
complexity there to begin with. But yeah, so I overall
enjoyed it. It was a good experience for me. But
I definitely hear what you're saying, Donna. That's much Sam.
I've to listen to him all the time. But I
hear what you're saying, Donna about your concerns. I think
that's really valid.
Speaker 2: I do have to throw in there to build on
what Jack was saying about some of the little Easter
eggs that were hidden in there. I absolutely adored those,
and it made me feel like I'm a nerd and
I like various fandoms, and I felt like that feeling
you get when your favorite property is somehow is made
into a movie. Finally, and it's still got to appeal
to everybody, but they're going to put a few things
in there that just feel like friends to you, and
it feels like a message just to you, and that's
a good thing for me. I loved, absolutely, adored, and
it's probably one of my favorite parts of any movie
I have seen, Like recently, was Nixon and Jackie Gleason's h.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was homestead, right, yeah, in Florida.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought I've always in my mind played that out
just because they were both such larger than life characters,
and I just thought that that whole scenario is just
so fascinating and compelling to me. I love thinking about it.
And it was so great to see him Jackie out
on the tarmac, wave in his hands and happy to
see Nixon and nick I thought that was done wonderfully,
and again there was no reason that he needed to
do that other than you know, for people like us and.
Speaker 6: Jack To your point of just the specific nods, I
have to say probably my heart grew three sizes. We
went with both of our daughters and with my parents.
My eleven year old when they said Nathan Twinning, they
didn't say Nathan Twining, but there was a care name
Nathan Twinning. When my oldest poked her head out and
looked over at.
Speaker 3: Me like, Mom, did you hear that?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. That was great.
Speaker 4: I was like, you got it, kid.
Speaker 6: So yeah, there were some fun nods like that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now somewhere there's been rumors, and I don't know
if any of this is true or not, but supposedly
one of the clips toward the end of the movie
was supposed to be a real one. Now I don't
know if anyone can verify that. I couldn't think of
what it would be, which one it.
Speaker 4: Would be supposed to be.
Speaker 6: Well, one is what I heard, and we'll tell you
what the roswell. One is what I supposed to be.
And I would bet a whole lot that was absolutely
not an actual video.
Speaker 1: I think that's just promotion wise. Yeah, you think if
he's spent something like eighty million on promotionals and so
any little thing that gets out like that is free press.
When it goes viral out there. But yeah, oh we
have Shane from down Under. He's been showing up for
over ten or twelve years. Welcome Shane. So thank you
all for being here in chat and we'll take any
questions or any comments you want to post. Make sure
you put him in all caps. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I think that Spielberg did a great job synthesizing the
history of.
Speaker 4: The ufolic of modern day uphology. He stuck that in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe people won't know exactly what they're looking at, but
it might peak their curious. Most people probably don't know
about Jackie Gleason and Nixon, but they'll say, oh, was
that a thing we searched, But we'd get the history
in there pretty well, So credit for that.
Speaker 1: I thought Johanni here, who's actually helped in the chart room,
wanted to know what would make the film better. I
guess I'd have to say what would make that film better?
To who to? It really depends on the audience and Jack,
I was kind of surprised you said that people were
not enjoying it in the theater. You basically were saying that, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was when you hear the murmurs after the
film and everything there was a lot of silence, not
a lot there was nobody was clapping or cheering, And
then I forget there was just things. I was hearing
people saying, that's it like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The ending. Let's maybe we should discuss the ending and
what we thought that meant.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure true.
Speaker 5: And how about wheeling out the alien like a tall
guy in a wheel chair.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was.
Speaker 5: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: That was? What took you that out of it jump?
That was weird.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the movie would have been. It wouldn't have
changed the movie at all. It would maybe even a
little bit better, I think now. Unfortunately, I remember Kelly,
I think you just said that you thought it was good,
and that's fine. We all have different opinions.
Speaker 6: But I didn't think it was great. I thought it
was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, It was It was.
Speaker 3: It was a solid film.
Speaker 1: No, I've been talking about the alien being wheeled out.
Speaker 4: In c G on.
Speaker 6: The alien itself was really good.
Speaker 1: That was a real alien. That's surprised. I've seen it
in my back ey.
Speaker 4: That was a real alien.
Speaker 1: And they couldn't find an elk with a sad card either.
They tried.
Speaker 2: That's why one of the things that was and Donna
spoke about this at the beginning in terms of like
kind of the things you expect from a Spielberg movie,
and I feel like, I love Jaws is probably my
favorite Spielberg film. I love horror, but I feel like
Close Encounters did an incredible job with capturing the tone
and mood in a really effective way. So, starting from
the beginning of Close Encounters, there's this kind of sense
of menace and dread as they're trying to figure out
what's happening in this situation that they've been thrust into
these experiencers and you don't know how it's going to
go for them, and it's almost it has almost a horror,
dark sci fi tone in the beginning, and as they
are brought more fully into this world, that expands into
this sense of wonder and possibility and delight that there
are things that we don't know. And I felt like
none of that was present in Disclosure Day. I felt
like it was kind of just as straight it was
over in the chat a minute ago. It was a
chase movie, it was an action adventure, and there were
I think opportunities to make some of those decisions that
would be more emotionally impactful to viewers on both sides
of the spectrum, whether they're just casual Friday night moviegoers
or whether there's on this stuff generally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have a point a question to ask
everyone here, if this was really happening, if someone really
had that type of information and was going to put
it out, do you think the government would go to
the great lengths that it was going to eliminate that
person and those people involved. That was way over the top,
I think, But I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think they would have just killed them. I don't
think it would have taken that much over the top.
I really do, very honestly, I think they absolutely would
kill them. I think there's pretty decent evidence that has happened,
and I don't think that it would have been like
the most inept car chase in the history of you.
Speaker 5: Know, Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 6: It's so bad.
Speaker 5: Remember when he stopped the car to go in the house,
to go back in the car to drive through the house,
and they still didn't catch up to him.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Al Martin, I do think that has happened,
and I think that they would have done it a
lot more cleanly than what this movie portrayed.
Speaker 1: Remember some guy go insane?
Speaker 6: Oh he did?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was Paul Benewitz. And then at the end,
Colin Firth just gives up, just sits down.
Speaker 6: And but that was because he lived life so much
and in the image of his wife, he was told
that this is what needed to happen. Yeah, it was
his Achilles.
Speaker 1: Everyone, don't forget it. Spoilers this alert spoiler at just
come in. Yeah, sorry, now you go, you go.
Speaker 3: Just I was just thinking about this, these screen memories.
What do you think about these screen memories? We understood,
all of us in the UFO dumb know what that was.
I just wondered what would the average non savvy UFO
person wonder. Was it clear that that was them when
they were younger, when the animal is them? And I
guess there's a quick moment where they morph into the alien.
But we all knew what that was. But I'm wondering.
One of my friends said, what was that elk doing?
What was the elk there for? I couldn't didn't quite
get the reference. So there was there were these little
things that other people like us could pick up on.
I just wonder about the broader audience what their take
would be on that.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, there was definitely a mcguffin there in
the chat. Tony was asking that, and there's yeah, the
coffin shaped magic stick that they had was definitely I
felt like kind of dictionary mcguffin. I also felt, in
terms of the idea of eliminating a whistleblower, it would
have been a really cool chance to show what a
whistleblower really goes through today. It's not unmarked cars and
high speed chases and attempted killings. It's insidious social media
smear campaigns and blacklisting professionally, and family secrets getting spilled
into the open and kind of the things that are
a lot dirtier and difficult to probably show in a
two hour movie in the theaters, but you know, the
things that was really deal with.
Speaker 5: Also too, I feel like the real world whistleblowers in
the UFO world don't actually have evidence like the guy
did in the movie with the flash drives in the
video and the raw footage and the wands, the magical wands.
It's all just stories. So there was that too, not
very realistic.
Speaker 1: Spielberg. We have the receipts. As they say, Now, I
wonder what significance of this little guy, the cardinal. The
cardinal came in for the when she was a little girl,
and then it came in to the table and you know,
in a moment I never heard of that. There was
no real connection. Is that another screen memory for a
little tiny thing? Was that a screen memors could be
or download? I think there was downloads from it or something.
Speaker 2: Wasn't her her little mobile in her room was Johnny Cardinals. Yeah,
maybe when they chose that screen memory that nhi, they
picked something that they had seen was comforting to her
watching those Cardinals spin as she.
Speaker 4: Went to good observation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now here's a question here. Oh yeah, a lot
of people are talking about the crop circle because it
just kind of dropped in and then it was just
suffering from there. So was there any detail about the
crop circle incident or was it just dropped in? Yes,
it was just dropped in.
Speaker 5: That's all about I forgot about it, that's right, because that.
Speaker 1: Was in He's mentioning that because that was indeed in
the trailer. And what you saw on the trailer is
as good as it gets. It doesn't really explain what
it is or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It very much felt like there was initially more there
that didn't make it past the cutting room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd really love to see deleted scenes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love to know how much Spielberg delegates
in his own work to other people, because I feel
like a lot of things can get lost in the
shuffle depending on I feel like when you get so
big like he has, you can pretty much hire anybody
you want because you have such a great pedigree of work.
I just wonder, yeah, how much gets lost in the
delegation shuffle at that point when you're working on such
a big stage. But yeah, Christopher, was there an owl?
I don't think I remember seeing one.
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about owls and there was no owls?
Speaker 3: Was there? Because we hear about deer as screen memories
and owls, and.
Speaker 1: We don't hear about elk though so much or cardinals.
Speaker 5: Hey, at least he didn't put Bigfoot in there, know
of those are the Bigfoot people.
Speaker 3: If it was in there would be like they were
going to have ones that we're going to have by location.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Bigfoot the last night and we have
the owl.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is that weird connection about owls. I
don't need to get into it, but add to a
lot of people say that they see owls and ends
up being more than owls, and yeah, I think that.
I think it was clever the way they did the
screen memory, but it's just something that only we would
really know about. And the person on the outside, your
friend Jimmy said, what's that moose doing there? He said,
I don't understand what the moose had to do?
Speaker 3: And then the end, he said, Okay, listen, what are
we listening for?
Speaker 4: A sequel?
Speaker 3: Is what's happening?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone thinks that it's gonna be see.
Speaker 3: Because how wasn't that the end?
Speaker 2: I think that was it.
Speaker 6: Emily Blund actually has given who knows if there's anything
to it, but she's given a couple of interviews where
she's suggested that she thinks everybody would be really excited
to get together to continue the story, but she doesn't
know if there are any plans to I think there
are two ways you can take the end. I took
it as like literally, listen to experiencers, listen to what's
going on around you, but it certainly could be seen
as a Cliffhanger, listen to what I'm about to tell you,
and then we don't get to hear what she tell
but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Before we're still since we're still talking about the animals.
This right here, I want to answer this for Tony. Yes, Tony,
they were bad, and really bad. CGI he could have
done much better. That's why I was joking, why couldn't
he given Fiel birth? So I'm going to tell you why.
I think. I think that's so people might understand that
there were screen memories because they were so hokey looking.
Could we go with that in that direction? Maybe?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard I have not experienced this, but I've
heard a lot of experiencers like Whitley talk about the
uncanny nature of what they're seeing in those screen memories,
that it doesn't look normal, and so I think it
definitely conveyed that these are definitely not real animals. Though
I have heard lots of jokes that the CG for
the animals and Sheep Detective was much much better than
the CG for the animals in Disclosure Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has unlimited funds, so I think that was
a purposeful to make it look like that. I think
he I think the I wish we could actually ask him, yeah,
that's why he did that without him getting insulted.
Speaker 2: I do feel like the one time I got that
kind of Spielberg shiver that I think we looked for
in his best work, the one time that came close
to that for me. The one scene was where she's
Blunt's young characters being led away from the house by
the animals, and then it pans and you can see
that the footsteps they're leaving are little three toed alien footprints.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: That was a really fun just visual device that then
was like, what a cool idea.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. You're right, So let's let's answer
doctor Richard's question here. How did Spielberg develop the empathy thing?
Do you know what? Do you understand? The question?
Speaker 4: Empathy?
Speaker 2: To me, it was really important throughout both empathy and
there was a good point made in the chat they're
abducting children or why should we feel bad for them?
But it was empathy. It was empathy that caused the
empathy at the plight of these beings that people to
evaluate their morals and decide that the world needed to
see this. It was of a section of the live
dissection of the Alien that really spurred the quote, good
people on the inside to evaluate what our motives are
and realize that this isn't who we want to be
as a civilization, and try to take steps to change that.
And then I think it carries all the way through
to the end with the idea of listen again, which
is the ultimate expression of empathy, is listening to someone
and really hearing what they're saying, no matter who that
person may be or what that being may be.
Speaker 5: Thret narrative.
Speaker 6: Thank goodness, I agree.
Speaker 5: I'm glad he didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to. Eric Mantel was going to
join us tonight and he can. He's doing some filming.
He's always doing some filming. He's very active in the
paranormal world. And I told him that I would read
his review. And he was one of these people. I
was invited to see the movie on the eighth in
New York City early and I couldn't make it. Unfortunately,
I'm going to pull up his I don't need to
pull it up. I'm just going to read it real quickly.
His review. Upon seeing this film and an advanced screening
last week, I genuinely was excited about what it was
promised to deliver. As the two and a half hour
runtime unfolded, it became clear, while the production had Spielberg's
unmistakable touch, it was light years away from the magic
and wonder of Close Encounters of the Third kind in
Ets Extraterrestrial, two of my all time favorite films for me,
there were no truly memorable musical themes, very little sense
of awe, and some cgi fell flat. I have to
admit I was disappointed. Steven Spielberg doesn't have any more
insider knowledge about the UFO phenomenon than you or I do.
He's a filmmaker and this is ultimately his own story.
That said, Emily Blunt was absolutely steals the show, as
does the fellow reporter at the TV station once all
hell breaks loose. Their performances were among the film's strongest elements,
which we all agree on. I believe I simply was
hoping for more, especially moments that captured the anticipation and
the emotional payoff of Close Encounters, where everything builds toward
an unforgettable meeting. Much of what we see here feels
rather than groundbreaking feel Oh feels familiar rather than groundbreaking
if you go expecting entertainment, not disclosure. Still, there's one
thing the movie accomplishes very well. It has people talking
about UFOs. I agree with that in Extra Trustoral Life,
and there is some new video evidence being released that's
very compelling and I can definitely appreciate that. Thank you,
Eric for letting us read that. We chimed in for you.
Speaker 5: Shout out Eric, way to go Mintel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done. That's all good points, I.
Speaker 6: Think, I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we are open for questions. We don't
have to make this any type of a long show,
in particular for running out of gas, but so please
post your questions in perhaps I don't know, Donald, do
you have any more points you want to make?
Speaker 4: Not off the top of my head.
Speaker 5: I got one, Martin, going back to what Yanni asked
you earlier about what can be done to make the
film better. Something that I feel like George Lucas was
really big on when he would write his stories. He
wouldn't put famous actors in his films because he felt
like their names and their likeness would take away from
the story that he's trying to tell. And I feel
like putting Emily Blunt in and a couple of the
other actors could have made if he didn't have big names.
And I wonder if people would have focused more on
the story, it might have elevated whatever he was trying.
Speaker 1: To portray on the screen. Very good point.
Speaker 5: That's one thing I would think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And do you think that this is going
to be Spielberg's last UFO related film.
Speaker 5: I could always use another. I hope not.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping to put the sequel myself.
Speaker 3: Maybe as time goes on and this just the real
disclosure happens, there'll be more fodder for whatever I'm The
coincidence of this being released during the actual disclosure is
what do we call that synchronicity?
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 5: Government propaganda?
Speaker 3: But think about how could it be propaganda? Would have
to be Spielberg must have started this years ago. This
didn't And how did we know that Trump was going
to be the one that says, okay, release the files.
We were actually going to make a big deal of it.
We're going to make it. We're going to legitimize it
by saying, Okay, there is such a thing and we're
going to release it. It couldn't have possibly, I know,
people are saying it's a PSI off operation. It's like
it could not possibly be.
Speaker 1: We must have started the movie five years ago. I
would imagine it takes a lot gather something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And he's had so many pieces of different UAP
themed movies that he's written over the years, and some
of them have made it to the s and serious,
some of them have made it to the screen, some
of them have not. But I do think the timing
does just seem a little weird. Whether that is synchronicity
or not necessarily the existence of the movie, but the
timeline on which it was released does seem yeah, like
coincidental or maybe nefariously coincidental.
Speaker 5: Who have you guys ever have you guys heard of
what Bryce Zabel has said? I think it was dark
Skies about how that gentleman from the Naval Intelligence went
to his viewer party and then he wanted them to
put in information into his film. That's right, basically a
person from the military industrial complex, and didn't he And
this is the part I don't remember. Want I might
be misstating this, but Denny, don't you have to sign
an NDA when a government liaison approaches you and wants
you to put stuff in your film. I can't remember
if he said that, So I'm wondering, is Spielberg under
some kind of government nda where he has to lie
to the public anyways, Like, I don't know if he
was approached to put certain things in that film or
exclude certain things.
Speaker 6: I don't know, And that's what I'm occurring, especially with
all the rewrites.
Speaker 1: He started writing this in observed action. Oh, I'm sorry,
pardon me. The story started in the summer of twenty
twenty three, so it wasn't that long ago. He was
inspired by the twenty seventeen New York Times article that
kind of changed everything, that kind of inspired him to
do this movie. According to what I'm reading online.
Speaker 6: I saw the same thing, Martin. But that itself seems
weird to me that it was six years before he
started writing it. And he certainly stays up on the
topic right, whether he is insider knowledge or not, He's
clearly a nerd in the same vein that we are
about keeping this So six years delay for that kind
of inspiration does seem a little bit strange. It Like,
he didn't say this in that article, because I'm sure
we saw the same one Martin, But twenty twenty three
was Grush giving significant testimony, and so it seems that
the inspiration timeline aligns more closely with that. But why
that wasn't what he's discussed, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think we should go around one more time,
all the way around, say our last, and maybe give
how many stars out of five? With this a lot
of pressure? Who wants to go first? I'll go first, Okay.
Speaker 3: I give it four stars. I thought it was very entertaining.
Once I got out of my UFO world to the
general world, I'm like, okay, I can see. How can
you put all this in?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Did you think that Steven Spurrell Spielberg had some like
Eric said, some inside and knowledge or something that knew whatever.
But I think that it was a good overview, and
I'm glad. I'm happy that the topic is out there
and all of that. I think it was a well
done movie. I just think it wasn't quite the Spielberg
experience that I had hoped for, but a good experience.
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, thank you, who's going, Jack, I think
you're next.
Speaker 5: I think i'd go maybe three point six out of
five on that one, Yeah, okay, and then I would
say I really enjoyed what he did with putting us
through the experiencer's lens of the topic when Emily Blunt's
character was having that panic attack and understanding she was
trying to figure out what is happening to her even
though she's having all these things happening, and she's realizing
she's not really in control and all of these paranormal
things are happening. I feel like a lot of experiencers
out there, I'm wondering, might be able to relate to
what that character was going through during her arc in
the film. But yeah, I'd say three point six. It
is what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm letting people pop in questions here, so I'm
just going to before we move on to the next person.
This is Joanni wants to know why do you think
it was said that it might affect some folks faith
in spiritual or what is that phynosis like thing things
when the news are with what would actually an HI
do that? Wondering the views here, I think personally, I
think that it probably depending on what we find out.
If we ever find out that, it really depends if
it's something dangerous or not, but I think people are
pretty well accustomed to the fact that we're probably not alone.
I think it's going to tear it down society, like
some people believe it is. I don't know if you
want to go off that anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree entirely with that perspective, Martin. And also
I think for people with a foundational religious or spiritual belief,
I think that will encompass most things in time if
it becomes necessary. I think that those revelations can be
folded in to very strongly held faith or spiritualism if
your world is all encompassing and that there's a reason
for things. At the base of all religion and faith,
there's a reason for things, and whatever your take on
that reason is, I think that NHI revealing themselves are
being revealed could fit very neatly into most of those constructs.
Speaker 1: Since you're talking, why don't you give your four out
of five star thing.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it two and a half stars
from the middle of the road it. Yeah, I think
Donna said a lot of stuff that really resonated with me.
I just it didn't have the wow that I expect
from Spielberg. And while I really appreciated the little kind
of nuggets that he threw out to people like us.
I feel like it was a missed opportunity to really
delve with a serious lens into some of this stuff
and really give it some gravitas.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sam Kelly.
Speaker 6: Because I'm really difficult, I'm going to give it two
different scores. One score for like, how much I enjoyed it,
and one score for sorry, I just saw that comment.
Speaker 2: We all think it.
Speaker 6: That's not true. You're both fabulous. Sorry for my own
enjoyment of it, I'll give it four stars. I really
enjoyed going to see it, and in term of the conversation,
it was really interesting to see it with Sam, with
our children and then with my parents, so three different generations,
and watching their reactions to it. I really loved watching
my kiddos and the empathy piece that it was really strong.
That was their response to it. The only part. There
are some kind of spooky parts to it, but even
with alien fingers and some pretty visceral creepy things for
a kid, the only parts that really threw them were
when the aliens were getting harmed, and so the empathy
message was really resonating. At least with them, and I
really like that as far as just like if I'm
just being a movie critic without any of these other
hats on, Yeah, it's probably like a three point three
three point four. It just it wasn't a bad movie.
It was a fun summer movie to go see, but
I don't think it was anything memorable beyond that as
a film itself.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll close with I have to say the reason
I'm doing the stars that I'm doing here is that
is the anticipation of this film was so big, and
so that's on me. So I have to look at
the film itself and I'll have to say four out
of five. But I did think that they could have
done something different if I was going to change it
with the animals. I don't know why that bothered me
so much. And at the end the alien, I thought
that wasn't necessary, but I thought it was. It was
a little disjointed and so there was a lot going on.
But anyway, I enjoyed it enough, and it's one of
those films that when I see it on the screen
on the TV, I'm going to watch it again.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, Yeah, pick up things subtleties that you might
have missed.
Speaker 2: We could agree that we just hope there's there are
more car chases than his next one.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep. So thank you all for being here in chat,
and thank you all for watching and listening. And it'd
be nice if you want to post down below your
own comments of how you felt about this. Tomorrow. I'm
going to be back for another live show three this week,
and that's going to be with sal Armato and should
be a good show that starts at eight pm. And
I look forward to seeing you all. And maybe I'll
have Donna join us for the news. I don't know,
I'll drag her in here because obviously I'm punching above
my weight.
Speaker 2: Donna is one to another Martin. It's always good to
include in when you can.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm going to send you a bottle of
wine and then we can drink wine together and do
the news together.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, everyone, and Jack, thank you so much
for being here, and it's always fun having you on.
And I really enjoyed it. And for those of you
who have not seen the movie and you actually watch this,
I would say see it. I would say see the movie.
Definitely worth seeing and form your own opinion this show.
Speaker 4: You have to see it.
Speaker 3: You're interested. Listen they're talking about it. It's that's kind there.
Speaker 4: That's something.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, one last thing. I thought it was very
interesting that the day after this came out, or the
same day, the twelfth, that's when the UFO files dropped. Now,
I don't know if there was any if that's a coincidence,
it was planned all along, probably was, But I thought
that was pretty interesting, and we'll be talking about that
on July first. All right, okay, everyone, thanks so much. Well,
remember can we do this all at once? Do we
know what it is? Remember to keep your eyes on
the tees.