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Speaker 2: I'll just passed over.
Speaker 1: I go. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 4: But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 2: See, I passed out over the top of US ninety
Speaker 2: one one. You just called up to me before they're
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Speaker 2: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast. How are you
Speaker 2: all doing this week? I am Nick Hunter and this
Speaker 2: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we're in Scotland to
Speaker 2: meet Nicola and she'll be sharing her exppearances that began
Speaker 2: as a child with strange out of the body sensations,
Speaker 2: distorted perceptions, and a hand that grabbed her awake out
Speaker 2: of grandmother's house. As she grew older, the activity continued,
Speaker 2: including a violent hair pulling incident during a sleepover and
Speaker 2: a moment of spoken anger that seemed to echo forward
Speaker 2: into a real car crash. In the mid nineties, Nicola
Speaker 2: and her sister witnessed something that changed everything. A silent,
Speaker 2: metallic sphere hovered in broad daylight over a field near
Speaker 2: their home in Octatur. It moved in ways that didn't
Speaker 2: seem to make sense, and what happened next left a
Speaker 2: last remark on both sisters and a terrifying feeling that
Speaker 2: something intelligent was behind it. Nicola is up next, but first,
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Speaker 2: with the show. Hello Nichol, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi Nick, how are you?
Speaker 2: I am wonderful, thank you, thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2: And you're calling from Scotland.
Speaker 1: Yes I am. I'm calling from.
Speaker 2: fIF wonderful part of the world. I must submit. Okay,
Speaker 2: now you have some experiences to share with us. Would
Speaker 2: you like to start the beginning please, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course, thank you. Yeah, this is one
Speaker 1: of my very first things. Actually, So, I didn't have
Speaker 1: lots happen when I was young, but what did happen
Speaker 1: it was quite impactful and I couldn't ignore it. So
Speaker 1: I remember being about so it must have been around
Speaker 1: Primary five or six, and we were staying in a
Speaker 1: house in a time called KIRKODDI That's where I'm from,
Speaker 1: and I remember it was so brief. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: big it didn't happen many times. It was so brief,
Speaker 1: and I still find it hard to articulate what happened,
Speaker 1: but I sometimes heard it's through podcasts. That I've heard
Speaker 1: people refer to that Alice in Wonder syndrome. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I've heard people talking about that, but I
Speaker 1: think I've heard one person who described it perfectly. So.
Speaker 1: I remember lying in bed and my whole face felt
Speaker 1: too big for me, and I remember trying to explain
Speaker 1: it to my mum the next day and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I still find it really difficult to do that. I
Speaker 1: felt like my skin was wrong for me, and that
Speaker 1: feeling just it stayed with me. I could still feel
Speaker 1: it in my face that I felt like my mouth
Speaker 1: was too big for me. I felt like my mouth
Speaker 1: was taking up the whole of the walls in the room,
Speaker 1: and it was really uncomfortable. And it was in that
Speaker 1: space when you're just drifting off to sleep. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was in this house, but this
Speaker 1: is where I felt myself leave my body. I felt myself.
Speaker 1: I'm in bed and I feel myself kind of. I
Speaker 1: didn't drift up. I found myself so close to the
Speaker 1: ceiling that I felt my face tilt back because I
Speaker 1: thought the jaggy you know, the Arctics though jagging the eighties,
Speaker 1: I guess ceilings. I felt the jaggy stuff. I thought
Speaker 1: the jaggy stuff was going to jag my face and
Speaker 1: I remember tilting my face back and then just bang,
Speaker 1: I'm back. But I do remember other times where I
Speaker 1: woke up and I was so sure that I could fly.
Speaker 1: I was so sure that I remember standing at the
Speaker 1: top of the stairs before school and I just had
Speaker 1: that dream where I was outside and I was flying
Speaker 1: round the cul de sac. I was looking at things
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been able to see. That could be
Speaker 1: a dream, I don't know, but when I woke up
Speaker 1: it was so vivid. I remember holding on to the
Speaker 1: top of the stairs, thinking, I think I could do
Speaker 1: it if I just take one leap. I believe I
Speaker 1: could do it. And then you know, I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I walked down the stairs like a normal child, but
Speaker 1: I felt like I could take that leap. I felt
Speaker 1: like I could almost let myself go into the air.
Speaker 1: It was almost like I had that little ability to
Speaker 1: go into fly mode. So, yeah, that was one of
Speaker 1: one of my really early things. So there was the yeah,
Speaker 1: the outer body kind of thing. It's not a lot,
Speaker 1: but it did sit in my mind. It's always stayed there.
Speaker 1: The thing that happened after that, so it would be
Speaker 1: a few years after I was staying and again in
Speaker 1: Quakaudia and my gran's house, and I didn't stay in
Speaker 1: this house much. It really I didn't feel good in
Speaker 1: this house. It felt fine downstairs, but it didn't upstairs.
Speaker 1: It was a terrace house. It had in the garden
Speaker 1: it had you know, the old bombshelters with corrugated sheep
Speaker 1: sort of arched over. It still had that in the garden.
Speaker 1: Some of the gardens still had them. And it was
Speaker 1: just a really it wasn't super old. I think it
Speaker 1: must have been bill obviously pre war, but maybe not
Speaker 1: long before that. So it was like a three bedroom house.
Speaker 1: You walk in the house, there's a living room, a hall,
Speaker 1: the bathroom, then a kitchen, and upstairs is three bedrooms.
Speaker 1: And it had a loft with a glass cover. They
Speaker 1: really scare me, you know, the glass covers. I guess
Speaker 1: it's so you get extra light into the hall. But
Speaker 1: this upstairs, I couldn't get past a certain step up there.
Speaker 1: It was so creepy. So this one night, my sister
Speaker 1: and I were maybe about two years between us, if that,
Speaker 1: I think, we stayed in my grand's room so this
Speaker 1: front room, it had a street light right outside, which
Speaker 1: was novel. I didn't stay somewhere with a street light
Speaker 1: like that. So the light was there. It was this
Speaker 1: orange gamberry light. It was kind of comforting. We were
Speaker 1: in these single bed side by side, and there was
Speaker 1: this really old walnut furniture, a big wardrobe of shiny,
Speaker 1: gorgeous walnut and dress. It was very pretty. And I
Speaker 1: had all my granny's fur coats inside the wardrobe. And
Speaker 1: the two beds are, you know, facing the window, with
Speaker 1: I don't know, a table or something in the middle,
Speaker 1: and two So my sister slept on the bed closest
Speaker 1: to the door when you walk in. I slept on
Speaker 1: the bed closest the wall, the furthest wall, and there
Speaker 1: was a cupboard there that she didn't have the key for.
Speaker 1: She says, she didn't have the key for so nobody
Speaker 1: used it. That was her mother's house. She grew up
Speaker 1: in that house, so she lived there her whole life.
Speaker 1: This wardrobe, she said, just wasn't used. And my bed
Speaker 1: was about a meter away from this door. So Lana
Speaker 1: and I, my sister, we were we were scared. We
Speaker 1: were always creeped out, always were. You know, we were
Speaker 1: always jumping into each other's beds and nick or you awake, Lanner,
Speaker 1: you awake, kind of thing. I'm sure people that share
Speaker 1: bedrooms know that exact feeling when you're scared at night
Speaker 1: is such comfort to have a sibling beside you to
Speaker 1: be scared with. So I'm lying in this bed and
Speaker 1: I woke up. I'm lying flat on the bed, and
Speaker 1: I woke up with a hand. It clearly felt like
Speaker 1: a hand, and it grabbed my thigh and it grabbed
Speaker 1: my thigh to a place where it felt it was
Speaker 1: too high. I remember being it woke me up and
Speaker 1: it felt so sharp, it felt like something the hand.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it now with my hand, so I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain this. So I'm lying down in
Speaker 1: the bed, and it felt like whoever's hand it was
Speaker 1: was standing facing me, so you know, the pinky finger
Speaker 1: was closer to the bottom of my leg, thumb higher,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it dug into my thigh and
Speaker 1: I could be I woke up petrified to move, to breathe,
Speaker 1: to do anything. I stayed awake all night until the
Speaker 1: daytime came, and I never ever stayed in her house again,
Speaker 1: and that feeling was so clear, and I was in
Speaker 1: a dead sleep, and I'm so certain of this. I
Speaker 1: must have been around perhaps I had a sister who
Speaker 1: was just born, so maybe about nine. And this hand
Speaker 1: it was so clear. I can remember the digging in
Speaker 1: of the hand now, and it grabbed my thigh so tight,
Speaker 1: and it didn't feel kind. If that was a granny
Speaker 1: or a granddad that used to live in that house,
Speaker 1: they weren't happy because that was not a nice feeling.
Speaker 1: It was a grab and then nothing. So that was
Speaker 1: the hand. Generally sleeping, I was petrified, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what of I've heard the earlier memories than those events,
Speaker 1: and I just remember being petrified in bed, so scared
Speaker 1: of something in the dark. And I can't tell you
Speaker 1: if I saw anything. Nothing happened, but I was petrified
Speaker 1: for years and years inside my bed. And other people
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about. When you're under your
Speaker 1: doovy cover and you're trying not to breed and you're pacing,
Speaker 1: you're breathing, and you're trying to act like you don't
Speaker 1: know that they know that, you know, if that makes
Speaker 1: any sense. So I spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: that state growing up. There was one thing, actually, this
Speaker 1: is a really really scary thing that happened. This is
Speaker 1: when I started high school. So I had a friend
Speaker 1: that lived in a village called Kinghorn. It's k i
Speaker 1: n g h o r N and it's a little
Speaker 1: village just outside the town and it's really creepy. It's
Speaker 1: got walls. It's a coastal town. It's got little harbor.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot everything around here is really coastal.
Speaker 1: So Kinghorn they had just to try and set a scene.
Speaker 1: Kinghorn is quite old. There are sort of ghost stories
Speaker 1: about speaky tales. It's a bit of a creepy little place.
Speaker 1: It's really old. There's walls still there now, and they
Speaker 1: are the construction of the walls there. They're high, like
Speaker 1: six foot high stone walls, and on the tops they
Speaker 1: have broken glass all sticking out the tops. That must
Speaker 1: be their form of security for back then. And the
Speaker 1: walls are still like that. Some of them are still
Speaker 1: like that. So this house was very in keeping with
Speaker 1: these walls. So you walked in this house and you
Speaker 1: walked into the middle level of the house and you
Speaker 1: could go downstairs, which looked straight out onto the water,
Speaker 1: and if you went down some steps outside there was
Speaker 1: a beach. They had their own private beach there. It
Speaker 1: sounds fancier than it is. It was just those little
Speaker 1: houses in coastal towns that are mishmashed together and they're
Speaker 1: all squished. It was kind of like that. So it
Speaker 1: had this little bit of beach underneath. You came back
Speaker 1: up to the middle floor and then you go up
Speaker 1: again and that was the top floor. So we slept
Speaker 1: in her bedroom obviously, so I was there. I was
Speaker 1: to have a sleepover, and we were sitting on her floor.
Speaker 1: She didn't have a big room. It was you walk
Speaker 1: in the room. It was kind of a rectangular room
Speaker 1: with a wardrobe at the very end, a window to
Speaker 1: the right, and her bed was to the right behind
Speaker 1: the door, a single bed. It wasn't a big room.
Speaker 1: So we're sitting on the carpet in front of the
Speaker 1: wardrobe doors. The wardrobe doors were open. This was a
Speaker 1: wardrobe that had drawers underneath. I can't remember if it
Speaker 1: was one or two, but the doors were shorter than
Speaker 1: the length of the wardrobe. So the doors are sitting
Speaker 1: open and we had this wax we were playing with
Speaker 1: like melted whacks and we're rolling it into balls and shapes,
Speaker 1: and right beside us is the wardrobe doors, and we
Speaker 1: were so close that I don't know how the wardrobe
Speaker 1: doors didn't hit us, but both the doors slammed with
Speaker 1: force at the very same time right beside us, and
Speaker 1: our froze. And I looked at my friend, Kerry, she
Speaker 1: was called. I looked at my friend, and she looked
Speaker 1: at me back and said, you just get up, act
Speaker 1: like it didn't happen. And I followed her leader and
Speaker 1: we got up out of the room. So in that
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, this isn't she needs had this happen before.
Speaker 1: This is like a thing. So I was really scared
Speaker 1: to sleep in this room this night. I was so afraid.
Speaker 1: So it comes to bedtime and we didn't play in
Speaker 1: that room again. We went outside, we went to the beach,
Speaker 1: we played outside, we didn't go back into the room.
Speaker 1: So it comes to bedtime and we were popping and tailing.
Speaker 1: So that's you know, a pillow at either end, and
Speaker 1: we're just small, so we were comfortable. So Kerry is
Speaker 1: at the top of the bed with the walls around her,
Speaker 1: which was very envious of. She had the safety of
Speaker 1: these walls around her head. But for me, I had
Speaker 1: the wardrobe at my head. It was the closest thing.
Speaker 1: So the windows, you know, to the side of me,
Speaker 1: on my left because I'm facing her, and the wardrobe
Speaker 1: is behind me slightly to the right. And we fell
Speaker 1: asleep when it seemed fine, but then something I felt
Speaker 1: something rip my hair out. It actually pulled my hair out.
Speaker 1: I jumped up or screamed. We put the lights on
Speaker 1: and there was hair on the pillow. My hair must
Speaker 1: have been just you know, sitting naturally long over the pillow.
Speaker 1: It took me until I was about thirty plus to
Speaker 1: sleep without tucking my hair down into my pillow or
Speaker 1: down my neck because it impacted me so much. I
Speaker 1: was petrified after that. So yeah, that was the Kinghorn story.
Speaker 1: So there was. I don't know which one of these
Speaker 1: came first, but I'll get the smaller one out the
Speaker 1: way before I get into the UFO one because I
Speaker 1: might talk a bit about that. So I feel like
Speaker 1: this might have been after It was around the time.
Speaker 1: It was the nineties. I had a boyfriend in the village.
Speaker 1: I lived in a village Octor two, which is three
Speaker 1: miles outside Cordy, so we'd move by that point and
Speaker 1: Octor two is a very boring mile long village with
Speaker 1: nothing apart from a nursing home and at the time
Speaker 1: a little pub, so you kind of had to make
Speaker 1: your own fun. So I'm with people out in the
Speaker 1: street and there's this boyfriend going past who I had
Speaker 1: broken up with, and he stopped in his car and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, chating, being cheeky, and he's talking
Speaker 1: to me. My best friend and her boyfriend he's in
Speaker 1: the car, and he's got a car full of boys.
Speaker 1: You know, they're eighteen, they're just driving kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And we didn't part on good terms, so I was
Speaker 1: feeling bitter. So when they stopped, you know, I didn't speak.
Speaker 1: They drove away, and I'm not proud of what I said,
Speaker 1: but out loud, I said, I hope he crashes that car.
Speaker 1: And I've been so careful with my words ever since,
Speaker 1: because we were not even at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: village and ambulances, three ambulances go past us, and my
Speaker 1: stomach dropped and I thought, no, that, no, that can't be.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they crashed the car, and some of them
Speaker 1: had to be I can't remember if they were cut out,
Speaker 1: but it was a very bad crash their road where
Speaker 1: we lived. The road it's the BE nine two five.
Speaker 1: It's very twisty, windy, fun road, but that also means
Speaker 1: it's very dangerous and there's been quite a lot of
Speaker 1: fatality on that road. Where they crashed was the exact
Speaker 1: same spot. Almost a year after, four young men were killed, sadly,
Speaker 1: right on the same bend, and they they were hurt.
Speaker 1: There was one one of the guys in the car,
Speaker 1: you know, that was with the guy I had been seeing.
Speaker 1: He was left very physically hurt. He was crippled afterwards.
Speaker 1: He found it very difficult to get about. So it
Speaker 1: was a serious crash, and that was a heavy thing
Speaker 1: for me to live with, believing that I had caused
Speaker 1: that crash. It still sits with me now, so I'm
Speaker 1: very careful with my words, and I do use that
Speaker 1: instance as an example to my kith to say, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got more power than you realize, because I do
Speaker 1: believe I made that happen. Maybe it was a bit
Speaker 1: of his immaturity cost that crash too, but I certainly
Speaker 1: won't be cursing anyone again, So I think we'll get
Speaker 1: into the UFO one, right. So I'm living in the
Speaker 1: village in Octar two and I'm from a big family.
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest of five children. There's ten years between
Speaker 1: myself and my youngest sister. There's four girls and it
Speaker 1: goes two girls, one boy, two girls. So my mum
Speaker 1: and dad were always out doing things with the dogs.
Speaker 1: They had the younger kids with them, you know, Me
Speaker 1: and my sister, we were teenagers. This must have been
Speaker 1: about I really can't remember the year, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I was about fifteen sixteen, so that must have
Speaker 1: been about nineteen. My birthday is Christmas Day, nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: so it's easy for me to count, so I'm not
Speaker 1: very good with numbers. So that would have been about
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen ninety six if I was fifteen through that year,
Speaker 1: something like that. So we lived in the village. We
Speaker 1: moved to the village because my dad worked on the
Speaker 1: rigs on oil rigs previously, and he got a job
Speaker 1: which was basically the same job, but on land at
Speaker 1: our refinery. It's called moss Morn. It's a really big plant,
Speaker 1: so it's split half shell. Half was Exxon and my
Speaker 1: dad worked for Shell and I remember when he first
Speaker 1: started working there. They have a like a helipad small airfield.
Speaker 1: I'm not very sure, but I remember my dad telling
Speaker 1: me that when he first started working there, his colleagues
Speaker 1: told him that recently there had been a UFO attempt
Speaker 1: to land there. I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 1: but that stuck in my head. So we're living in
Speaker 1: the house. All the kids are out with Mum and dad.
Speaker 1: They're kicking about in the Volvo State doing their thing,
Speaker 1: and they call. They say, we've left Cassie the dog.
Speaker 1: She was a tiny little boxer dog. We've left her
Speaker 1: at home. She's in the kennel. Can you and Lana
Speaker 1: take her out for a walk across the field? So
Speaker 1: our house was, you know, it was afternoon. I said, Lanna,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to have to get this done
Speaker 1: before they're home, so let's go and take Cassie out.
Speaker 1: So it's afternoon. It was a beautiful sunny day, it
Speaker 1: was summertime. It was just a lovely day, and the
Speaker 1: house was right next to a field. So we would,
Speaker 1: you know, hop out the back door, let the dog
Speaker 1: out the kennel and just jump over the wall. And
Speaker 1: we were in the field. So we're walking up the field.
Speaker 1: If I actually should have should have given you a
Speaker 1: map for this, I'll drop you a pin later and
Speaker 1: you can see geographically how I'm trying to explain this.
Speaker 1: So we jump over the wall, and this field is
Speaker 1: on a gradual incline, so our street is on a
Speaker 1: bit of an incline, so is the field. We jump
Speaker 1: over the wall and it's not long. Maybe we walk
Speaker 1: past our house, the next house, and then we're at
Speaker 1: the crest of the field. So we walk out in
Speaker 1: this field. I'm trying to explain this best I can
Speaker 1: of the area. So we go up the field, and
Speaker 1: the field, once you reach the crest, it goes whush
Speaker 1: straight down. It's very steep. The tractors they would never
Speaker 1: go up it. They would only go down it, or
Speaker 1: it's the other way about. They could only do one
Speaker 1: way on this field because it was very, very steep,
Speaker 1: and it very bottom was a burn, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if people know what burn is. It's like a
Speaker 1: little river, very small river. So at the burn, the
Speaker 1: field then goes dramatically upward again. So it goes up
Speaker 1: a hill and there's an area of fields there's another
Speaker 1: field with some horses. There's the backs of the houses
Speaker 1: from the cul de sac where I've just came. There's
Speaker 1: a little forest. There's quite a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: odd little sections of trees, and there's also a road
Speaker 1: farther left, about a quarter of a mile down to
Speaker 1: the left that doesn't really that doesn't really come into
Speaker 1: the so tall though, So we jump over the wall.
Speaker 1: We're in the field. We reached the crest of the
Speaker 1: field and Cassie the dog might need to explain her behavior.
Speaker 1: So Cassie was like, if she could, she'd run away.
Speaker 1: Every moment she got, she would just run away. And
Speaker 1: she loved brush balls, chase cats, she or She was
Speaker 1: such a funny little dog. She was like a brindle
Speaker 1: dog that's kind of like a blackie red color. And
Speaker 1: she was so small. I've not seen a boxer as
Speaker 1: small as her. She was very petite, and she was
Speaker 1: barking mainland as we're walking up the hill where you know,
Speaker 1: we're just sort of sort of kicking our feet. It's
Speaker 1: a nice day, letting the dog out, not really thinking much,
Speaker 1: and then Cassie's barking, barking, So we look up and
Speaker 1: on the other side of the barn, where the field
Speaker 1: rises again, there's a section of trees and sort of
Speaker 1: above that is this In my head, I just thought
Speaker 1: that helicopter is so low, and then I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: why can't I hear it? That's not a helicopter. What
Speaker 1: is that? So when all the this happened over just seconds,
Speaker 1: Cassie the dog, she's she's getting really aggressive at this point,
Speaker 1: and bearing in mind she's been in the kennel for
Speaker 1: probably a few hours, she could really do with a walk.
Speaker 1: At this point, she hadn't even you know, done her business. Shit,
Speaker 1: And she stopped barking and ran back to the kennel.
Speaker 1: And I was so scared in that moment because right
Speaker 1: at that moment, this thing, this this round, it was
Speaker 1: a sphere. And I'm finding it difficult to compare the
Speaker 1: size to something but perhaps a car. The size of
Speaker 1: a car, but it was a sphere, and it reminded
Speaker 1: me of like, you know, Terminator two with the mercury,
Speaker 1: the you know, the bad Terminator or the new model,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of drippy and mercury, and it's shiny, metallic,
Speaker 1: it's it's got movement to it. So this thing, I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell. I couldn't find the word to describe what
Speaker 1: I was looking at. Was it what I was it
Speaker 1: see through? Was it twinkling? Was it light that was
Speaker 1: so bright it was doing something to me? Was it metal?
Speaker 1: I still don't know any of these things. But what
Speaker 1: I do know is in the seconds that Cassie ran back,
Speaker 1: when I looked up, I reached my left hand out
Speaker 1: and I grabbed my sister's arm, and we're just standing
Speaker 1: beside each other. She was just a tiny tad about
Speaker 1: a foot or two behind me. I kind of I
Speaker 1: held her back a little bit because this looked I
Speaker 1: didn't understand it, and whatever it was, it knew the
Speaker 1: second I saw it, because quicker than I could blink,
Speaker 1: this thing was closer, which blew my mind because how
Speaker 1: it's not making any sound. I didn't see it move.
Speaker 1: How is it doing this? What is this? And I
Speaker 1: grabbed my sister's arm and I took a few steps back,
Speaker 1: and then I just said run, and I grabbed my
Speaker 1: sister's arm and we ran back to the house, and
Speaker 1: that was it. I didn't look back, but that thing
Speaker 1: knew that I knew. I could see it, and it
Speaker 1: moved so close so quickly that it just it didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. So I felt danger. I don't know
Speaker 1: if there was danger or if I was perceiving danger,
Speaker 1: because it was something that I didn't understand, but I
Speaker 1: felt in danger, and I grabbed my sister and we
Speaker 1: ran back to the house. If the dog, the dog
Speaker 1: was the big red flag. That wasn't in her nature
Speaker 1: to behave like that. That was very out of character
Speaker 1: for her. So that coupled with what we were looking
Speaker 1: at and how quickly the thing had come over the
Speaker 1: level of the burn, it was like it came to us,
Speaker 1: and that scared me. So we ran. We ran in
Speaker 1: the house, and I have no memory of what we
Speaker 1: did in the house, what we spoke about, what way,
Speaker 1: if we told anyone, I have no memory of that.
Speaker 1: But one month approximately one month later, so remember I'm
Speaker 1: not keeping any dates and don't remember things very well.
Speaker 1: So it was about a month later. So this thing
Speaker 1: that had happened was still recent, it was still in
Speaker 1: our minds, and it had left us shook. We were
Speaker 1: genuinely shook. So we were in bed, and I might
Speaker 1: have to describe the layout of the house. So the
Speaker 1: house was like a long bungalow, and we were really
Speaker 1: quite set back from the road. The whole street came
Speaker 1: between us and the road, so there's maybe like a
Speaker 1: raw with one, two, three, four five houses before it
Speaker 1: got to the road, the main road that came into
Speaker 1: the village. So the village entrance was just in line
Speaker 1: with our house, but it was a good distance away.
Speaker 1: So because the way the land is, it's going up,
Speaker 1: so it used to just be a little street. And
Speaker 1: then they built this culled sack on the hill with
Speaker 1: maybe six seven houses, and ours was one of those.
Speaker 1: So we're on a bit of a hill. So this
Speaker 1: is important because my bedroom looked out towards the entrance
Speaker 1: of the village. But it was high. It was very high.
Speaker 1: Even though I was in a bungalow, I know how
Speaker 1: it was very high. I used to have to when
Speaker 1: I would sneak in on out my bedroom at night
Speaker 1: to go and look for fun in the village. I
Speaker 1: used to have to leave a slab, a long slab
Speaker 1: tipped over on its side and whole grab onto this
Speaker 1: old metal thing in the wall to get in my room.
Speaker 1: That wall must have been about eight foot high. So
Speaker 1: nothing we did not get like road traffic. You didn't
Speaker 1: see the light coming in the room really from the
Speaker 1: traffic because it was going through the village. It was
Speaker 1: parallel to our window, and again a good distance away.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying this because you know, people say, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this was cars or it was someone with a
Speaker 1: strobe light. That was what my dad said. But what
Speaker 1: happened was we were in bed and my bed we
Speaker 1: had the window between us, so we had our My
Speaker 1: bed was facing the door, tucked into the right. My
Speaker 1: sister's bed was on the left of the window, left
Speaker 1: of the door, tucked in on the left, so we
Speaker 1: had the window between us in the middle between us
Speaker 1: our beds, and I woke up to a light that
Speaker 1: I would describe it as an LED light now, but
Speaker 1: back then you didn't really see as many as you
Speaker 1: do now led lights. But it was it was like
Speaker 1: that white. It was so white blue. It was so bright,
Speaker 1: but it had a rhythm to the flash. So we
Speaker 1: had blinds. We had these, you know, twisted blinds, horizontal
Speaker 1: blinds that twisted, and we had curtains over so you know,
Speaker 1: we very really didn't get light in our room. This
Speaker 1: wasn't something that happened ever, But this light, A wake up,
Speaker 1: and Lana's on my left arm, grabbing at me, and
Speaker 1: she's saying, let me in the bed, and neck, let
Speaker 1: me in the bed, please wake up, Let me in
Speaker 1: the bed. And I wake up, and I'm just taking
Speaker 1: this all in in seconds. I wake up. She's petrified.
Speaker 1: And there was this light in the room, filling every
Speaker 1: corner of the room, which I don't know how that
Speaker 1: is possible without there being a light right in front
Speaker 1: of the window. And it was so strong and it
Speaker 1: was I don't know how to time this for you,
Speaker 1: but it was going it was going dim dim, dim, dim,
Speaker 1: then up up up up up bright, you know, like
Speaker 1: really bright, and then it was filling everything, holding for
Speaker 1: a second and going down slow dim, then back again.
Speaker 1: It was so rhythmic, and it wasn't in a hurry,
Speaker 1: and you could see the shade of everything. You could see,
Speaker 1: you could see everything in the room. It was so bright.
Speaker 1: And then I pulled covers over my head and my
Speaker 1: poor sister. I just pulled it over and I said,
Speaker 1: this isn't happening, This isn't happening, This isn't happening. And
Speaker 1: I just kept repeating that to myself, and then I
Speaker 1: hear Lana run away and my radio starts blaring. But
Speaker 1: I can't tell you if that was Lana in a
Speaker 1: panic that knocked it over on full blast, or if
Speaker 1: that was something else. But at that point, Lana's screaming.
Speaker 1: She gets to the door, and my dad bursts through
Speaker 1: the hall and he's saying, you know what is going
Speaker 1: on in this room? And then there's nothing. There was
Speaker 1: just nothing, no lights, nothing, It was all over. And
Speaker 1: my dad said it was one of the boys in
Speaker 1: the village pranking us with a strobe light, which we
Speaker 1: completely disagreed with. And that is the end of the
Speaker 1: UFO incident.
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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty scary.
Speaker 1: That was very scary. Yeah, that was very scary. I've
Speaker 1: had no more UFO experiences, but that one I did
Speaker 1: have that's changed my life. That has changed my world view,
Speaker 1: It's changed the trajectory of my life, the interests that
Speaker 1: have I'm so grateful I had that experience, and I
Speaker 1: feel so lucky to have had a UFO experience in
Speaker 1: broad daylight. I always thought UFO experiences were nighttime. It
Speaker 1: would be a shooting star kind of type thing, you know,
Speaker 1: zig zagging through the sky, or a beam that would
Speaker 1: try and pick me up. But it was what I saw,
Speaker 1: and I could never have imagined it would be in
Speaker 1: broad daylight. And I truly believe that something came back,
Speaker 1: something came to see us, something. I feel like it
Speaker 1: kind of tagged us. I felt like we were on
Speaker 1: its radar from the sighting. But yeah, that's completely changed
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: You know, this is quite a large object, so it
Speaker 2: was about the size of a car, looking like liquid.
Speaker 1: Mercury, similar, it's something. So the words that come to
Speaker 1: mind when I see it is iridescent mercury, possibly mirror,
Speaker 1: extremely shiny, reflective. But was it just light that I
Speaker 1: didn't understand. It seems like a material that I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: But it looked to me as a human. It looked
Speaker 1: metallic and course very large.
Speaker 2: So we're not looking at something like a my La
Speaker 2: balloon or anything.
Speaker 1: No, there's no one hundred percent no way that that
Speaker 1: was anything known to me or anybody else that. I
Speaker 1: find it very difficult to find the words because I
Speaker 1: don't have the words for what that was. I don't
Speaker 1: have the It's not the physics that we are raised
Speaker 1: to understand. There was no sound, There was no when
Speaker 1: it moved. How did it move without making sound? How
Speaker 1: did it come closer? If it was just a metal
Speaker 1: sphere or metallic sphere or liquid sphere, how did it
Speaker 1: know that I was looking? Did it have eyes? Did
Speaker 1: it see? Was there something inside it? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it looked three dimensional and it was it had definition.
Speaker 1: It was one hundred percent a perfect circle. It was
Speaker 1: like a bubble, but it was very big. And I
Speaker 1: don't understand how the people in the houses and the
Speaker 1: cults that where I lived, the houses that sat on
Speaker 1: the crest, we sat on the sort of the hell
Speaker 1: going up, but the houses further up sat right on
Speaker 1: the crest of that hell. They had a beautiful view.
Speaker 1: They still do, and they must have seen that. Someone
Speaker 1: must have seen it. Obviously they'd have to be in
Speaker 1: their house and looking out their windows at that time.
Speaker 1: But why was it there? What was it doing? I
Speaker 1: don't understand what I saw. I don't understand what it was.
Speaker 1: And my sister, she still corroborates that. Unfortunately, we haven't
Speaker 1: spoken in quite a long time, but we would occasionally,
Speaker 1: very very occasionally, say hey, do you remember the thing
Speaker 1: we saw? And the last time I ever spoke to
Speaker 1: her about it was with her husband, and he was
Speaker 1: so dismissive. He told us we were both crazy, and
Speaker 1: you know we were. There was something wrong with us.
Speaker 1: And I could see she took a step back from,
Speaker 1: you know, delving into that actual experience. I'll tell anyone,
Speaker 1: I've not got many things to say about I can
Speaker 1: just say what happened. I don't. It just actually gives
Speaker 1: me so much more questions. But I feel like she
Speaker 1: it's something she puts away. She is very much afraid
Speaker 1: of the paranormal, and growing up when things would happen,
Speaker 1: she saw things, so she would see things in our house.
Speaker 1: She once saw a dog run into our room, jump
Speaker 1: on the bed and go push disappear that. I didn't
Speaker 1: actually let her tell me that until I'd moved out
Speaker 1: the house, because if I had seen anything, I could
Speaker 1: not sleep in that house, and I didn't have a choice.
Speaker 1: I had to sleep there. So she was very afraid
Speaker 1: of all that. She would be quite happy to pack
Speaker 1: that away and live happily in ignorance. But for me,
Speaker 1: I think it's just undeniable, and I take it as
Speaker 1: a sign. I'm just grateful that it happened, and it's
Speaker 1: opened up a whole world for me that is so
Speaker 1: exciting and makes life much less sporing.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And it's not uncommon for people
Speaker 2: you know like that that push these experiences aside, even
Speaker 2: though they know fall well they happened. Her partner is
Speaker 2: the way he is, then she's not going to be
Speaker 2: as open, and I've spoken about it more so, if
Speaker 2: she's scared of this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. I think him growing up it
Speaker 1: was a case of there's no such thing as ghosts,
Speaker 1: don't be silly. But I know that things have happened
Speaker 1: to my mum and she very much brushes that aside.
Speaker 1: I think she's quite scared of that. So growing up,
Speaker 1: we were not raised in the type of home that
Speaker 1: embraced you know, the paranormal and everything that comes with that.
Speaker 1: Although I have to say I'm a huge X Files
Speaker 1: fan and my dad. I used to spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time watching documentaries with my dad and he was
Speaker 1: very scientific, but at the same time, he loved a
Speaker 1: good mystery and he loved a ghost story. That thinks
Speaker 1: their stories he's told me that I'm not actually sure
Speaker 1: of very true or if they were, you know, stories
Speaker 1: to creep out little kids. They did used to do
Speaker 1: things to really scare us. But the things that have
Speaker 1: happened he was not responsible for. We did watch lots
Speaker 1: of documentaries Space, you know, Bigfoot, X Files, all that
Speaker 1: good nineties stuff, so I know he was open to
Speaker 1: it and I enjoyed that with him. But my mum.
Speaker 1: She was afraid and I think the story goes that
Speaker 1: her her granny, So my great granny she read tea leaves,
Speaker 1: so maybe there's something there that she's afraid of.
Speaker 2: Oh, the old tea leave readers, I remember them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're in the fang club of the X Files.
Speaker 2: I love the X Files. I love that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of our listeners
Speaker 2: out there which are exactly the same. I grew up
Speaker 2: on the Twilight Zone and shows like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, then it's something I probably would have enjoyed, or
Speaker 1: maybe it would have added to the nightmares. Who knows really.
Speaker 1: As far as ufology, that's as far as my experience school,
Speaker 1: I think I've had another. I think I've had a
Speaker 1: few little things. So an Octor two. We're very close
Speaker 1: to a private estate. It's called Wraith. That's our a T. H.
Speaker 1: Wraith Estate. It's a pheasant shooting estate. So my dad
Speaker 1: always shocked growing up. That was it's just what we did,
Speaker 1: and on this state it was. It was beautiful. It
Speaker 1: is still beautiful. It's got a massive, massive house, a huge, huge,
Speaker 1: stately home. It's a gorgeous place. It's very private, so
Speaker 1: when I would go there with my parents, it was
Speaker 1: a treat because you couldn't just walk through the gamekeeper,
Speaker 1: would you know, give you a yelling at. So since
Speaker 1: I've been small, I've had these dreams. It's a recurring
Speaker 1: dream of a place on Reithe the State. I used
Speaker 1: to have a dream that I was at church or
Speaker 1: a chapel. It was a place of worship and I
Speaker 1: was inside the chapel, but there was something outside the
Speaker 1: chapel that was trying to pull me outside. It wasn't
Speaker 1: something I could see. It was something that was trying
Speaker 1: to pull me out. And I don't even know if
Speaker 1: there was a chapel on the State, but in the
Speaker 1: dream it was always the same. There was this sunken
Speaker 1: down area before the entrance of this chapel, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't big, it was small, but there was something outside
Speaker 1: that was that. It wasn't a good energy. It was
Speaker 1: like it was a scary dream. But this was all
Speaker 1: it was. It was just this snippet and I'd have
Speaker 1: that dream over the years, at least every year. For
Speaker 1: quite a few years, I would have this dream, and
Speaker 1: then eventually I had my first baby, and I had
Speaker 1: to get a bigger house. So my mum she called
Speaker 1: up the layered who owned this state, and you know, oh, Nicholas,
Speaker 1: looking for a bigger house, do you have anything on
Speaker 1: this state. So luckily for us, we got a gorgeous
Speaker 1: little cottage on this state. So we lived in there
Speaker 1: for oh goodness, it was. It was quite some time
Speaker 1: we lived there, maybe about seven seven years something like that.
Speaker 1: I might be wrong. So we lived in this little house,
Speaker 1: this cottage on this state, and I used to think,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really funny how that estate is
Speaker 1: like it's part of my dreams, and I feel very close.
Speaker 1: I feel very connected to raise the state for some reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the stories in my head. When I
Speaker 1: was young, it was always very grand. My dad would
Speaker 1: when he was home from the rigs, he would fix
Speaker 1: the layerd's doorbells and electrical work. So he had all
Speaker 1: these houses on this state that were rented out to people.
Speaker 1: So my dad, when he was homie, would fix washing machines.
Speaker 1: It was a sparky to trade, so he would fix
Speaker 1: things and we would often go along. I spent many
Speaker 1: times under the floors waiting for a cable to pop through.
Speaker 1: So we saw inside the house and it was just
Speaker 1: it was a gorgeous place to be, but goodness, it
Speaker 1: would be so creepy at night. And my dad did
Speaker 1: tell us a ghost story that he experienced on the
Speaker 1: state as a young boy, so that just added to
Speaker 1: the whole mistake. So maybe I'm building a subconscious picture
Speaker 1: my mind and you know, creating these dreams. Anyway, we
Speaker 1: move into the cottage and that was a creepy, creepy cottage.
Speaker 1: It was very cold. It was so cold, even with
Speaker 1: heating on, you could see your breath. It was a stone,
Speaker 1: old stone cottage. And it was right in a field
Speaker 1: where there's a tower, a tower called bill Weary Tower,
Speaker 1: where famously there's a wizard in kirk Coody. I might
Speaker 1: get his name wrong, Michael. I think it's wizard Michael
Speaker 1: or David, something like that. So there's stories about that
Speaker 1: wizard in Kirklaudy. There's a monument to not a big
Speaker 1: fancy thing, a big, big wooden statue of this this
Speaker 1: wizard of Kirkcaudy. It's near the park on a walk,
Speaker 1: just to that field that we used to live in.
Speaker 1: So there's an old tower there in that field, and
Speaker 1: we actually lived it felt very dark in that area,
Speaker 1: did not feel good. So where the tower is is
Speaker 1: where the wizard. He was actually a meteorologist and mathematician
Speaker 1: and maybe wrong, but people could check that out for themselves.
Speaker 1: It's quite a nice little rabbit hole to go down.
Speaker 1: So apparently he went everywhere wearing metal helmet because he
Speaker 1: had premonition that he would be hit by something on
Speaker 1: his head and he would be killed. The only time
Speaker 1: he took his metal helmet off was when he would
Speaker 1: go into church and he was doing just that and
Speaker 1: a rock fell or a slate, goodness knows what, but
Speaker 1: hit his head and killed him. So he had a
Speaker 1: premonition of his own death. So yeah, he lived in
Speaker 1: the field where our cottage was. And also just by
Speaker 1: that tower there was a tree where there was a
Speaker 1: man hung. So the story goes someone was hung in
Speaker 1: that field as well, and a lot of things happened
Speaker 1: for me in that house. I actually don't know anybody
Speaker 1: that lived there that didn't end and their tenancy well,
Speaker 1: it was not a nice place to be and I
Speaker 1: ended up separating from my husband at the time. In
Speaker 1: that house, it was it did not feel good in
Speaker 1: that house. My daughter, who is sixteen now tells me
Speaker 1: about her experiences in that house. So in the house,
Speaker 1: she would say to me, remember saying this, you know, mother,
Speaker 1: I there was a there was a lady next to
Speaker 1: my bed. And I'd say, oh, yeah, really, what does
Speaker 1: she look like? And she said she would wear a penny,
Speaker 1: you know, an apron, like an olden day's lady. And
Speaker 1: I said, and where did she go? And she said
Speaker 1: she went through the wall. So as she's got older,
Speaker 1: she's explained more to me. And she used to play
Speaker 1: in that room with something chasing round her in the room,
Speaker 1: she said, she always thought it was their father, which
Speaker 1: she would not do that. You put. She would go
Speaker 1: to bed and she would have a cuddle, you know,
Speaker 1: a book and hopefully go to sleep. She remembers getting
Speaker 1: up more than once. And in her bedroom it is
Speaker 1: a very big room, low ceiling and again really cold,
Speaker 1: and she had a round table play table in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room, and she had a baby's buggy
Speaker 1: and a baby's pushchair. So she said she remembers something
Speaker 1: playing with her, chasing round the table and circles. She
Speaker 1: would be pushing one pushchair and the thing would be
Speaker 1: pushing the other. So she always thought it was our father,
Speaker 1: but he's said, you know, that wasn't me, and obviously
Speaker 1: that he would't be doing something like that when it's
Speaker 1: time to go to bed. So she believes it was
Speaker 1: it was a spirit, a ghost, and the thing that
Speaker 1: she said used to come to her with the apron.
Speaker 1: She likens that now to an Oden Day's kind of lady,
Speaker 1: like a maid. She said she had a little thing
Speaker 1: on her head, an apron a dress. So yeah, she's
Speaker 1: experienced things in that house too. I'm sure I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: about some things in that house. But the next house
Speaker 1: we moved to happened to also be on Raith Estate,
Speaker 1: So I just moved from there about a year ago
Speaker 1: in October. I moved from there, so that house, I
Speaker 1: would say, So my daughter she's seen the hat man
Speaker 1: in that house, right next to her bed. She said
Speaker 1: she saw a hat man there. My son, he's had
Speaker 1: two experiences in that house. He was very young, but
Speaker 1: he was able to articulate what had happened to him well,
Speaker 1: and I kind of was sort of there for one
Speaker 1: of them. So the first thing that happened to my son,
Speaker 1: he's thirteen. Now, he was running through the hallway, and
Speaker 1: he was running through the hall and he was going
Speaker 1: out to the back door, which led right out the
Speaker 1: hallway to a big deck. And he came running back
Speaker 1: and I'm in my room. And he ran past the
Speaker 1: door for that room, which was open, and he comes
Speaker 1: running back and he says, you know, mother, I think
Speaker 1: I just saw something. I think I just saw myself.
Speaker 1: So he's saying to me that he believes he saw.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on my bed and he sees next
Speaker 1: to me, now there was a chest of drawers. He
Speaker 1: said he saw a mirror and a black figure that
Speaker 1: looked like him running and he looked at it and
Speaker 1: thought he saw himself, but it was black and it
Speaker 1: was in a mirror that wasn't there. So that was
Speaker 1: a really funny one. We've often spoke. So I listened
Speaker 1: to Jim Harold's campfire, and there was once a guy
Speaker 1: on there that said the story where he was a
Speaker 1: hope to see this properly. Now, Jim alls this way
Speaker 1: better job. So this little boy was basically in his house.
Speaker 1: He saw something standing there, a hooded figure eating cereal,
Speaker 1: what looked like he was eating cereal on a counter
Speaker 1: and then flip to him being an older boy. He
Speaker 1: looks across. He's sitting, he's leaning on account of eating
Speaker 1: cereal with a hood up, and he looks across and
Speaker 1: sees something run by. So Hugo, my son. He thinks
Speaker 1: that he may have seen himself, and I tend to
Speaker 1: agree on that. So the next thing that he saw
Speaker 1: in the house was we were coming home, and Hugo
Speaker 1: was he must have been now, let me think he
Speaker 1: must have been about primary six. He was needing the
Speaker 1: bathroom and we just got back. So he goes running
Speaker 1: through the house and I'm getting myself sorted. We're putting
Speaker 1: bags down or whatever, and he's running the house himself.
Speaker 1: He's gone to the bathroom. By that point, I walk
Speaker 1: through the house and I see him and he's he's
Speaker 1: running back through the living room. He runs through and
Speaker 1: I just see his face change and he can't speak.
Speaker 1: He's he's he had, you know, he was stammering. He
Speaker 1: couldn't even catch his breath, and he said, there's a
Speaker 1: man in the house. So I checked the house. It's
Speaker 1: a very small house. It's an old farmer's, you know,
Speaker 1: a worker's cottage. It's not big. There's no one in
Speaker 1: the house, and he's gasping, can't even speak, and he
Speaker 1: says to me, I said, what did the man look like?
Speaker 1: And he said he had no legs. He had red,
Speaker 1: spiky up hair like my daughter, who's redheaded. He said,
Speaker 1: it was like Emily's hair. It was red and it
Speaker 1: was spiky, sticking up. He had a blue velvet jacket
Speaker 1: on and his face looked like it had been scribbled
Speaker 1: out by a black pen. That's probably one of the
Speaker 1: creepiest ones I've heard. And he's not seen anymore. He
Speaker 1: has seen a few auras above people. He's asked what
Speaker 1: the colors are sometimes that come from people, but he's
Speaker 1: that doesn't tend to happen anymore. And when he was
Speaker 1: young he did actually tell me. So he was quite young,
Speaker 1: he was about two two and a half three maybe,
Speaker 1: and we were driving past the shop and he pointed
Speaker 1: to this, it's a motorbike shop and it had a
Speaker 1: normal apex roof, black roof tiles, and he pointed to
Speaker 1: the roof and he said, and he was very very young,
Speaker 1: so his words were didn't speak like he does now.
Speaker 1: So he said to me, I was on a roof
Speaker 1: like that, I got shot in my back and at
Speaker 1: heart and I fell and I died. That's what he
Speaker 1: told me. And yeah, he doesn't remember any of that now,
Speaker 1: which I think you often find when you hear these stories.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was blown away. And he has such
Speaker 1: an affinity for military and war. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Was he in an act in battle in a previous life.
Speaker 1: Who knows? Yeah, but the boy is camo and gun obsessed.
Speaker 1: Maybe not so much now as thirteen, it's kind of changing,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's always had an affinity for military. So
Speaker 1: I'll just go back to the house in the second
Speaker 1: house on Raith Estate. So that house, it was very creepy.
Speaker 1: There was things that happened in that house to me
Speaker 1: that we're probably the scariest things that have ever happened.
Speaker 1: There's lots of little things like I would get I
Speaker 1: would be in my bed on my own, the kids
Speaker 1: are next door asleep, and I would hear tapping all
Speaker 1: the way. It would work its way around on the wall.
Speaker 1: And this was a brick house and it had that
Speaker 1: really thick wallpaper, so you know, you can often hear
Speaker 1: say a fly or a daddy long legs flapping about
Speaker 1: on the wall. You would hear that sometimes because the
Speaker 1: paper was thick, very very thick. This happened to me.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many times, but I would at tap.
Speaker 1: The tap would click round the room, tapping, tapping, and
Speaker 1: it would work its way all the way around the
Speaker 1: room until it was beside me. Sometimes the light would flicker,
Speaker 1: sometimes not. Sometimes nothing would happen. But there was one time.
Speaker 1: So I used to be so afraid of this, and
Speaker 1: I I just embraced it. I thought, I can't be
Speaker 1: afraid in my own house. I learned to sage the house,
Speaker 1: laid stones, different stones in different places. I put salt everywhere.
Speaker 1: I tried to make it as safe as possible. And
Speaker 1: this one time I was feeling quite brave, and it
Speaker 1: hadn't happened for a long time, and the tapping was
Speaker 1: coming round round, and I kind of perked up, and
Speaker 1: I sat and I'd just tried to follow it with
Speaker 1: my eyes, and it's coming round and round in the room,
Speaker 1: and then there's I can feel a tickle like a
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's maybe your crown chakra, but
Speaker 1: I felt a tingle. I don't really get it anymore.
Speaker 1: But I did in that house, and I had a
Speaker 1: tingle on like the my crown on my head, and
Speaker 1: it would tingle and I would feel like that's making
Speaker 1: some sort of contact. So this one time, I was
Speaker 1: just about asleep, and like I say, I'm following it
Speaker 1: and let it happen. And it comes and I feel
Speaker 1: it tingle on my head. And whenever these things would
Speaker 1: happen normally, I would cancel it out. It would stop
Speaker 1: every time. I'm not a religious person. I am spiritual,
Speaker 1: but I don't have a religion. But I do say
Speaker 1: when things get too much, I would say, in the
Speaker 1: name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave my space.
Speaker 1: And I would be very firm with it. Took a
Speaker 1: little while. I used to feel really silly saying it.
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, like I'm not religious, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be using Jesus's name. But it's helped a lot and
Speaker 1: it actually works. So on this occasion, I'm about to
Speaker 1: say it, and I don't remember anything else. So this
Speaker 1: is all I remember in the moment. Something's happened in
Speaker 1: the middle of my head, and I'm about to tell
Speaker 1: it to do one well. The next day I get
Speaker 1: on with my day as usual, and then I go
Speaker 1: to bed and the second my head hit the pillow,
Speaker 1: it was like a flash. I remembered everything that happened
Speaker 1: the night before, and all these details came to me,
Speaker 1: and my blood just ran called after this is what
Speaker 1: I remember. So I'm lying in bed, something was tapping
Speaker 1: my head and this is the bit that I remember.
Speaker 1: The next day me, I remember my mouth slurring in
Speaker 1: slow motion, saying in the name, and I couldn't get
Speaker 1: it out, and I hear a voice saying, you left
Speaker 1: it too late that time, and it just made, like
Speaker 1: I said, my blood run cold. That was one of
Speaker 1: the scariest things that has ever happened to me, because
Speaker 1: who was that voice? What happened? It was almost like
Speaker 1: it put me to sleep, and then to remember it
Speaker 1: the minute my head hit my pillow the next day,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense to me. But in
Speaker 1: that room I did have, I felt like things came
Speaker 1: to visit me in that room. I it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: has to be maybe two three times that I felt
Speaker 1: like there was something outside my window. So I lived
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fields. It was stunning. I
Speaker 1: had only one house next to me. That was joined
Speaker 1: onto the cottage. The rest of three sides of my
Speaker 1: house was a field for about a mile. It was beautiful,
Speaker 1: but it was once it was dark. It was very
Speaker 1: very dark, and you could see everything and you can
Speaker 1: hear everything. So I had stones all the way around
Speaker 1: the house for security. I put that there. And there's
Speaker 1: at least two or three times that I heard something
Speaker 1: under my window that I would like into several crickets,
Speaker 1: but it was clicky. It was almost like a robotic
Speaker 1: sound of what a cricket might sound like. That's what
Speaker 1: it sounded like to me. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: that was. I can guess, I can take a I
Speaker 1: could take a guess at what it might be, but
Speaker 1: I don't really want to say that out loud. That's
Speaker 1: not happened again my new house where I live now,
Speaker 1: I've had a few things happen. In fact, I'll just
Speaker 1: go back one one more thing that was witnessed by
Speaker 1: someone else in the house. In the old house, so
Speaker 1: my boyfriend and I we were in the bedroom and
Speaker 1: it was getting really late, so we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: go to bed. The lights are all dim and I'm
Speaker 1: down in my wardrobe. So my bed filled up the room.
Speaker 1: I had the window on my left, and my window
Speaker 1: was always open, so I had the window on my left,
Speaker 1: and at the end of my bed I had roller
Speaker 1: wardrobes fitted roller wardrobes, and then the door to get
Speaker 1: out was there, and then I walked right along the
Speaker 1: left to the other side. So I had my phone
Speaker 1: next to the bed, and I'm down at the wardrobe
Speaker 1: and i'd keep my handbag inside the wardrobe at the bottom,
Speaker 1: so I'm leaning in. I'm on my hands and knees.
Speaker 1: I'm rumming in for something in my handbag, and I
Speaker 1: hear a phone go quite clearly in my right ear
Speaker 1: in the wardrobe, and it does. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is a knookier choin or not, but it does.
Speaker 1: They really did it, and I'll never forget that. It
Speaker 1: was so so clear. And I look up to Clinton
Speaker 1: and I said, was that your phone? And he says, no,
Speaker 1: my phone's over there in points beside the bed at
Speaker 1: where he was sleeping on his side of the bed.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, my phone's there. Your phone's there,
Speaker 1: So whose phone was that? And He's saying, I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you have another phone in there? And I'm like no,
Speaker 1: I don't have another phone. There's no phone there, and
Speaker 1: that he is a non believer. He still says there
Speaker 1: must be an explanation for that, But I can't find
Speaker 1: an explanation for a phone going off inside my wardrobe
Speaker 1: a phone, and I lived there for ten years approximately.
Speaker 1: I lived there for a long time. I think I
Speaker 1: would know if I had a nookia sitting in the
Speaker 1: corner that would do the really did do. Anyway, that
Speaker 1: was the last thing I think that happened there that night.
Speaker 1: The energy. It felt so stiff in that room, even
Speaker 1: with the window open. So at that moment, I said,
Speaker 1: let's just go out for a drive and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back. So we left the house. I went back,
Speaker 1: I found the energy to sage it. We gave it
Speaker 1: a really good sage. It must have been about two
Speaker 1: and by the time we got back, we saged it
Speaker 1: and it was all good. So now I'm in this house.
Speaker 1: I've only had a few little things. This house has
Speaker 1: really good energy. I'm in a village just outside Cooper,
Speaker 1: which is a little further afield than Kokaudi, so sort
Speaker 1: of I'm close to Saint Andrew's. So this little village
Speaker 1: is so cozy. It's lovely. The house is like an
Speaker 1: next council send me detached three bed house. It's lovely.
Speaker 1: And I think there was a guy here that lived
Speaker 1: with his kids before me, and then before that there
Speaker 1: was an old lady that lived here for a very
Speaker 1: long time. And I don't know if this lady's energy
Speaker 1: is still here or not, but there's been a few
Speaker 1: things happening in the bedroom. So Clinton and I were
Speaker 1: sitting on the bed one night and we're chatting and drawing.
Speaker 1: I'm drawing, and we're sitting on the bed and there's
Speaker 1: this rolled up piece of paper and right in between us,
Speaker 1: this piece of paper rolls like someone has just rolled
Speaker 1: it a few inches and it tumbles over and he
Speaker 1: sees it, and I see it. And yet this non
Speaker 1: believer still thinks there's an explanation for this, but it
Speaker 1: clear it looked like someone moved it with their hand
Speaker 1: along the bed. I have no explanation for that, apart
Speaker 1: from it might be this little lady. So the first
Speaker 1: thing that happened in this house, it wasn't long after
Speaker 1: I moved in. I was sleeping and I woke up
Speaker 1: to a lady's voice, and it was it was so kind.
Speaker 1: She sounds lovely, and it just went hello, you know.
Speaker 1: It picked up at the end and it was almost
Speaker 1: like it was nice. It was like saying hello to
Speaker 1: someone in the street or a new neighbor. It was nice.
Speaker 1: That was a nice one. And I think there was
Speaker 1: something else in this house that I attribute to that lady.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was in my bedroom back Hunt actually remembered it,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I've got other little things that I'm forgetting. Wow.
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Speaker 2: It's time.
Speaker 1: It is the x x X.
Speaker 2: A lot of spooky things going on in that part
Speaker 2: of Scotland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there actually are. It's well worth doing a little
Speaker 1: bit reading about this part of the country. There's I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're aware of the author, Malcolm Robinson.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, yeah, so he's across a bit he's
Speaker 1: over and is it Denny? I think I don't know
Speaker 1: if he is, but I know he has read a
Speaker 1: few of his books and he's a bit of an
Speaker 1: advocate for the Is it the Denny Sighting or the
Speaker 1: Denny Triangle fall Kirk, that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm friends with him. Yeah, I think he is from
Speaker 2: that region, if I If I remember rightly, Malcolm.
Speaker 1: Is right, Okay, okay, I actually just messaged him. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard back, but I did message him his website.
Speaker 1: I can't remember now. There was a story I heard
Speaker 1: about a place called Sake. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: heard of Soke. That may well fall under the Fokker Triangle.
Speaker 1: Actually it's just next to a place called oh dear,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting the name. There's a private school in a
Speaker 1: quite a posh village near Stirling. Well. The very next
Speaker 1: village is Soke, which is s A. U. C. H
Speaker 1: I E. And I was watching YouTube the other day.
Speaker 1: It was Halloween night and I watched this guy do
Speaker 1: you know do a piece on Soke. It's definitely something
Speaker 1: you should research.
Speaker 2: There's a street, is that the poltergeist?
Speaker 1: Yes, m hm yes, And it's actually affected more than
Speaker 1: one house in the street, and there's people who have
Speaker 1: I checked right move the website because you can see
Speaker 1: sold house prices. But more to the point for this one,
Speaker 1: you could see the door numbers of sold houses and
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out are they still council
Speaker 1: houses or they bought houses? Because there seems to be
Speaker 1: polar geist activity right down that street. There's at least
Speaker 1: three houses where things have happened. And on Halloween, I
Speaker 1: was planning to do that, but my boyfriend had to
Speaker 1: do night shift, so we were planning on driving to
Speaker 1: Sake just to go down that street. But I was
Speaker 1: when I was watching that, so the village Sake is
Speaker 1: actually means something to do with the willows. Something to
Speaker 1: do with the willows. You might not want to put
Speaker 1: this in any recording, Nick because there's lots of mibbies
Speaker 1: and butts, and you know there's something to do with Sake.
Speaker 1: Being connected to willows and a wisp of the willow.
Speaker 1: There's something to do with the name Sake that is
Speaker 1: connected to Willow the wisp or the wisp of the willows.
Speaker 1: And when I checked that, I gave it a Google.
Speaker 1: Now I can't remember why I did this. I'll put
Speaker 1: my dots together eventually when I'm back in the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But I've messaged Malcolm Robinson because he I think he
Speaker 1: did a little bit on that. I think on the
Speaker 1: YouTube thing I watched, he spoke about Malcolm Robinson's book
Speaker 1: and the streets and other people that have lived in
Speaker 1: that area. But there's something to do with the name
Speaker 1: Sake that means wisp of the willows. But then the
Speaker 1: word willow. If you put in wisp of the willow
Speaker 1: or willow the wisp, there's something biblical and it means
Speaker 1: basically the place of the weeping spirits or the wallowing spirits.
Speaker 1: There's some sort of connection and I found a little connection,
Speaker 1: and that that's why I messaged Malcolm to ask if
Speaker 1: he was aware of that.
Speaker 2: But that's interesting now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I found it, I'll give you actual facts.
Speaker 2: That's because that's all connected to Scottish folklore. I mean,
Speaker 2: I grew up with Without the Wasp. Do you remember
Speaker 2: the old cartoon with the Kenneth Williams used to do
Speaker 2: the voice.
Speaker 1: Yes. So that's the craziest thing because when I saw that,
Speaker 1: I gave it a Google and then I saw the
Speaker 1: cartoon and I thought, I remember that, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that that was Willow the Wisp. And then to
Speaker 1: think that that I remember watching that show because I mean,
Speaker 1: early eighties things were very technology was very primitive, and
Speaker 1: that that was probably all we really had back then.
Speaker 1: We had i'd say three channels on TV, I think,
Speaker 1: and I remember watching Willow the Wisp, but until I'd
Speaker 1: seen a clip of it on YouTube, I could not
Speaker 1: remember it. I found myself watching episode after episode.
Speaker 2: It's just it's such a we're showing our age of
Speaker 2: it there. Yeah, I'd have to go back and watch that.
Speaker 2: In Donkeys' years.
Speaker 1: Well, it's really strange because there's actually a ghost in it,
Speaker 1: and then there's a TV that that has the power
Speaker 1: to change people into different things. It is quite odd.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the origins of Willow
Speaker 1: the Wasp, but there's definitely something there that would be
Speaker 1: worth a good you know.
Speaker 2: Research, absolutely, yeah, I know. It's old Scottish folklore. Willow
Speaker 2: that's where it all comes from. The ghost lights.
Speaker 1: Ah right, okay, so it's the is that the willow
Speaker 1: or is the willow in the woods and the wasp
Speaker 1: is the lights.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure willow, yeah, willow is.
Speaker 1: The spirit Okay, Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know where the wisp comes from, though, Yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I needed to. It was one of those rabbit
Speaker 1: holes where you know, you just want to dig into
Speaker 1: one piece of information, but you come across something else,
Speaker 1: then something else, and you're like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to backtrack about four different screens on my phone
Speaker 1: and write stuff down and save pictures.
Speaker 2: I tell you, if you google about folk law, not
Speaker 2: just Scotland but around the UK, I tell you there
Speaker 2: were thousands and thousands of little mini folk law stories.
Speaker 2: There were so many.
Speaker 1: I do love it. You've got all these different pockets.
Speaker 1: I quite like going up north to m Thirso, but
Speaker 1: it's just before you jump over to Orkney. It's the
Speaker 1: top of Scotland. I've got kind of aspirations to live
Speaker 1: up there. I have no idea why, but there's quite
Speaker 1: a lot going on up there. There's quite a lot
Speaker 1: of spooky things up there too, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of archaeological finds as well up there. And they have cairns,
Speaker 1: you know, the cairns that you could walk in for
Speaker 1: where they used to rest the dead. Oh yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm just checking folklore now because it actually reminds
Speaker 1: me growing up. So I'm half Polish. My dad's family
Speaker 1: are all Polish, both his parents, and growing up we
Speaker 1: were very much in the woods. You know. We would
Speaker 1: pick fruit, whatever berries you could find. We grew up
Speaker 1: picking mushrooms. We shut our own food. We like to
Speaker 1: think that we knew how to survive out in the woods,
Speaker 1: but we always believed there was fairies. Wherever we went,
Speaker 1: there was always fairies. And I remember being a young
Speaker 1: kid just thinking that the fairies would do all the
Speaker 1: dishes at night in the house.
Speaker 2: I love these little accounts. A lot of your accounts
Speaker 2: have all been the one area around trying get it's
Speaker 2: right octatool well done?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or if you're saying it more Scottish, you have to
Speaker 1: get your throat in there into your oo oct.
Speaker 2: Two because it's it's not pronounced the way it's written.
Speaker 2: It's only because the way you've been saying it, I
Speaker 2: probably couldn't pronounce it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wood, well it's it's spelled a uc so that
Speaker 1: is oh really so it's oh then T E R
Speaker 1: T O O L wonderful.
Speaker 2: I must have been when you started mentioning places. I
Speaker 2: did get the Google out and had to have a
Speaker 2: have a quick look. And a lot of it is ocean. Goody,
Speaker 2: you got your dad's refinery which is still actually there,
Speaker 2: isn't it? The shell place?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a controversial spot. Actually there was a
Speaker 1: period it must have been about four years ago now,
Speaker 1: and where I lived. You could probably check where I lived.
Speaker 1: So we lived in a white bungalow just as you
Speaker 1: drive into the village, just up on the hill and
Speaker 1: that would give you a good point to see the
Speaker 1: crest of the hill where I was talking about. But
Speaker 1: I might just do some screenshots and send them to
Speaker 1: you later. And then the last house I was living in, well,
Speaker 1: that one that was shaking four years ago. They were
Speaker 1: they do a flair. I don't know if you're familiar
Speaker 1: with with them refineries, but they have a process called
Speaker 1: flaring when they have I think it's excess product. I'm
Speaker 1: really not sure, but it was so bad the whole
Speaker 1: house and the lights were shaking. And that was in
Speaker 1: the neighboring town. That was in all the surrounding houses.
Speaker 1: It was an apter tool, it was, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: an octor tool. I was a little bit out, but
Speaker 1: even our lights were shaking all through the house. It
Speaker 1: was really unsettling because I think if that place goes,
Speaker 1: a lot goes.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, krikey. And that was a few years ago,
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was four years ago. Yeah, SIPA did
Speaker 1: investigations and I recently read they're doing some kind of
Speaker 1: compensation package for residents.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that makes sense. And Quakey, you know your experience,
Speaker 2: it was quite close to that refinery. Do you think
Speaker 2: there was possibility that it could have had something maybe.
Speaker 1: To do with it? Yeah, it has crossed my mind. Possibly.
Speaker 2: You know, we hear a lot of accounts over nuclear facilities.
Speaker 2: We get the same kind of things over dams and
Speaker 2: bud over refineries before, so it's quite possible. But the
Speaker 2: whole whole area around where a lot of your stories
Speaker 2: Tonight has originated from, mostly countryside, is not really a
Speaker 2: heavily populated area.
Speaker 1: No, it's very there's a lot of agriculture out here,
Speaker 1: lots of fields. So there's also there's also one that
Speaker 1: you might be interested in, an event that actually Malcolm
Speaker 1: Robinson wrote about. It was in Falkland, I think it was.
Speaker 1: Actually it was Newton A, Falkland, I think. So there
Speaker 1: was a there was apparently there was a lady in
Speaker 1: a car. She had another adult in the car with
Speaker 1: her and they had two kids in the back and
Speaker 1: they saw what they believed to be a UFO in
Speaker 1: a field whilst they were driving out for coffee. They
Speaker 1: buying coffee from like a spar or a copp or
Speaker 1: something in the nearby village, so they popped out to
Speaker 1: buy freeze dry coffee and they see this UFO in
Speaker 1: the field and they saw oh, these little people, these
Speaker 1: little creatures beings picking things up from the ground, and
Speaker 1: taller beings sort of you know, being I don't know
Speaker 1: the foreman on site, not very sure, but there is
Speaker 1: a section in that Malcolm Robinson did and he he
Speaker 1: spoke to I believe he spoke to the family. And
Speaker 1: that's a really funny one because that kid, they had
Speaker 1: very paranormal things happening in their house, very scary things.
Speaker 1: And then they've disappeared and I have not been able
Speaker 1: to find the people or anything more about that. And
Speaker 1: that was just near Falkland, So there's a big, big
Speaker 1: hill on Falkland. There's often you know, illegal raves and
Speaker 1: and UFO spotters star spotters. They're up on Falkland Hill
Speaker 1: because it's the highest point in that area, and certainly
Speaker 1: that it would be if there was UFOs close to
Speaker 1: Falkland Hill. Newton of Falkland is just down the hill
Speaker 1: just a little bit. So I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: any connection there, but yeah, like I like to think
Speaker 1: there's more. Just people aren't talking about it, that's all.
Speaker 1: There isn't the you know, that one universal place to
Speaker 1: share this.
Speaker 2: I'll check that case out. Sure. And you said they've
Speaker 2: completely disappeared, maybe just at the public eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah the people. Oh yeah, the people have gone. So
Speaker 1: they've probably just moved house and you know, moved on
Speaker 1: with their life, imagine.
Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, Well, you know, it seems that you're
Speaker 2: quite sensitive to these things that have happened, because what
Speaker 2: is your family, including your daughter when your son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it appears that way. I think it's more
Speaker 1: things happen. I accept that, whereas before you'd have a
Speaker 1: couple of things happen and feel a bit like an
Speaker 1: impostor you know, I'm a really really feel these things?
Speaker 1: Is it real? Is it really happening? But the more
Speaker 1: things that have happened, it's undeniable that things do happen,
Speaker 1: and we do feel things, and I don't think of
Speaker 1: many I think we probably all have that ability, depending
Speaker 1: on the level of empathy you carry, to connect with
Speaker 1: things that we don't understand.
Speaker 2: I get yeah, I couldn't agree more. I believe the
Speaker 2: same thing. I think we all have this. Really, if
Speaker 2: you listen to a lot of the accounts we have
Speaker 2: on a show, just normal people have any strange experiences?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's nothing normal about these things, but
Speaker 1: it certainly happens to normal people.
Speaker 2: And that's a good putting it.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to stop. I do think what's next.
Speaker 1: But it's nice living in a space now with peace,
Speaker 1: and I'm not in fear of things. So my daughter,
Speaker 1: she actually just had something she's been experiencing. More so,
Speaker 1: she predominantly stays at her father's house. Now I live
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, and he's more central, so
Speaker 1: it's beside her school. She's a sixteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: She wants to be near the hustle and bustle, I guess.
Speaker 1: So she just recently, this was only a few months ago.
Speaker 1: She was sitting in her living room in her father's house.
Speaker 1: And when they're doing their washing, so he lives in
Speaker 1: a flat, so when they do their washing, they hang
Speaker 1: clothes on hangers, you know, clothes hangers like him a
Speaker 1: coat hanger, and then hook them all on the curtain poll.
Speaker 1: They'll hang them up there and then leave the windows
Speaker 1: open so it drives the washing in the flat. So
Speaker 1: Emily said she was sitting there in the living room
Speaker 1: watching TV and she heard what she thought sounded like
Speaker 1: someone throwing pot some pans and dishes in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and she knows there's nobody through there. She was alone
Speaker 1: in the house, so she said she sat there petrified
Speaker 1: until it stopped at two in the morning. So it stops,
Speaker 1: and then she said, she decides, oh, right, okay, I
Speaker 1: could get up and go through now. Because she was
Speaker 1: afraid to go to bed, to the bathroom, to anything.
Speaker 1: So she finally stands up to go through and as
Speaker 1: she goes to get up, she said, there was five tops,
Speaker 1: five shirts, five tops on this curtain pole on coat hangers.
Speaker 1: She said, all five of them lifted the hangers as well,
Speaker 1: so hangers are up lifted and all fell on the
Speaker 1: floor and she ran out the room. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a really scary one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably want to start training there in the
Speaker 2: use of SiGe.
Speaker 1: Well, I did, as said to her, did you use
Speaker 1: your sage, darling, and get your stones out, get your salt.
Speaker 1: So she did. She cleansed herself. She's taken care of it.
Speaker 1: But I think just because she's a sixteen year old girl,
Speaker 1: it's that sort of age that things seem to happen,
Speaker 1: and she I've tried to direct them to say, you know,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're in a situation where you're not
Speaker 1: in control, but you actually are, and that fear is
Speaker 1: making it much worse. So you just you take the
Speaker 1: control back and you use you know, your sage, your
Speaker 1: whatever you believe. She wears a crucifix, you know, I
Speaker 1: use the name of Jesus. Do whatever you need to do,
Speaker 1: but you're in control of that. This is this physical realm,
Speaker 1: this is ours and certain things aren't welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, even if you're not religious. You know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is believe something will work.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I guess it's the power of
Speaker 1: the mind, isn't it. And when I actually looking back, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to make things stop, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have the tools. I didn't I didn't have the the
Speaker 1: ability to stop these things. But now, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: the control. Oh, I have a really big one. Actually,
Speaker 1: I have a really big one, a really important one.
Speaker 1: This is this is the thing that changed me to
Speaker 1: a believer. So in the house in bil Weary, so
Speaker 1: it was it was on Reith Estate, but where we
Speaker 1: were it was bil Weary, that's b A l W
Speaker 1: E A r I E. So bill Weary Castle was
Speaker 1: in the field just off the garden and we were
Speaker 1: in Bilweary cottages. So it was in. My grandad was dying.
Speaker 1: So he had cancer all through. He was a He
Speaker 1: was a happy alcoholic till the day died. So he
Speaker 1: you know, his body was put he was on his
Speaker 1: way out. We knew he was dying, we just didn't
Speaker 1: know when. So it was always very sprightly. It was
Speaker 1: chipper right to the end. It was still trying to
Speaker 1: sneak a cigarette and a whiskey whilst he's, you know,
Speaker 1: riddled with cancer. And I'm in bed. So I was
Speaker 1: married and my daughter Emily, she must have been about
Speaker 1: so she was a baby. Actually she was a baby
Speaker 1: when this happened, and my granddad. I had a dream.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a dream, but it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 1: So I'm lying in bed and I feel something on
Speaker 1: my arm, on my right arm, and I wake up
Speaker 1: and it's my die. So that's what I call my granddad.
Speaker 1: That's like her. I don't know if it's a Scottish
Speaker 1: thing or not. I think it is. It might be
Speaker 1: a Fife thing, so it's just d I die. So
Speaker 1: he I felt him on my arm and then I
Speaker 1: look across and he's he's leaning down and he says,
Speaker 1: that's me away hen And then I wake up and
Speaker 1: I looked to the side of me and I see
Speaker 1: the time and it's something like I must it was
Speaker 1: something like quarter past two. It was something like that.
Speaker 1: And then the phone goes first thing and I shout
Speaker 1: to Mike's husband and I say, hey, wait, I need
Speaker 1: to tell you something. I had this dream. If I
Speaker 1: don't tell you that I had this stream and something happens,
Speaker 1: You'll never believe me. So I told him what happened.
Speaker 1: And then the phone goes and it's is barely six
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, so he is not happy. He's going,
Speaker 1: who's you know calling the house at this time? And
Speaker 1: I says, no, I know what it is, and he
Speaker 1: puts the phone down. He says, it was your die.
Speaker 1: He died this morning about half to And that was
Speaker 1: That was me a believer. I couldn't how could you
Speaker 1: not believe that? That was my evidence. He came to say, bye,
Speaker 1: that's me away Hen. Hen is an affectionate term here
Speaker 1: for a female, So yeah, he said, that's me away
Speaker 1: Hen and he looked so happy. And I didn't tell
Speaker 1: anybody for weeks because I didn't want it to be
Speaker 1: you know, oh, Nicholas, like, you know, it's not even cold,
Speaker 1: and she's saying, no, I've had an experience. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a really big one for me. That was
Speaker 1: that was a huge turning point.
Speaker 2: That made you a believer. Yeah, that was really nice
Speaker 2: that he came to visit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very comforting, it was, it was lovely. It was
Speaker 1: very very nice. I felt privileged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was lovely. It was just I didn't expect it,
Speaker 1: and I thought, why me, Why did you choose me
Speaker 1: out of all the grandkids. But yeah, I just love
Speaker 1: it and it gives me so much comfort.
Speaker 2: Now, why not you? Obviously you know we had a
Speaker 2: connection with you, so I wouldn't say one last ye
Speaker 2: why Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think I was actually the first grandchild, so
Speaker 1: it could be that I think we spent he did
Speaker 1: babysit me, whereas I think I may have been the
Speaker 1: only grandchild that he did babysit. So there's there's that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got these. I have a photo of us and
Speaker 1: you know the old black and white photo boots that
Speaker 1: comes on a strip. I have one of those. If
Speaker 1: I find it, I'll send you a copy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: There was another thing. Actually, there's one thing in the
Speaker 1: village that my sister believes. She was chased down the
Speaker 1: village by a stone, and she came home hysterical that
Speaker 1: this stone would not stop following her and the doctor.
Speaker 1: My mum got the doctor out. He swore that that
Speaker 1: stone followed her and chased her all the way down
Speaker 1: the village and home and that to me sounds like
Speaker 1: a bit of the Fey or folklore. Possibly. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: face could be the fries. Yeah, that's that's what I think.
Speaker 1: With it being a stone. I never could not get
Speaker 1: my head around that one. Why she would be followed
Speaker 1: by a stone? And she said it started slowly, that
Speaker 1: she heard it, and then she saw behind her, and
Speaker 1: then she'd look again and it was behind her again.
Speaker 1: And then she's running and the stone's coming behind her.
Speaker 1: It's just it sounds so odd and far fetched. But
Speaker 1: I remember the day she came in the house. She
Speaker 1: was hysterical. They could not have camera down. They had
Speaker 1: to phone the doctor. The doctor came out and said
Speaker 1: that she was hallucinating and she had no medical issues.
Speaker 1: She was no just as normal as me. She had
Speaker 1: her little you know, weird things happen, So that may
Speaker 1: be one of her things, but it's quite a unique one.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard many people, and I've pretty much dedicated
Speaker 1: in so. I got quite sick about a decade ago,
Speaker 1: so i spent a lot of time at home resting,
Speaker 1: and I've pretty much dedicated my life to this podcasts
Speaker 1: is actually lovely and I have never really heard of
Speaker 1: anyone having a stone or a rock following them home.
Speaker 2: Well, what I'll do is, I had an email from
Speaker 2: a guy and he runs the Fascinating Various podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: he supposed to be coming on the show when he's
Speaker 2: not not too busy to share his his fairy experiences.
Speaker 2: So I'd ask him to see if he's if he's
Speaker 2: heard anything similar to that. Yeah, a fee in these
Speaker 2: us space. But I had a random email from a
Speaker 2: guy several years ago now. He sent me the email.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to come on the show or anything
Speaker 2: like that. He was a hiker and he was hiking
Speaker 2: I think it was Georgia, no one around for miles,
Speaker 2: and he said he witnessed witness little people, several of them.
Speaker 2: The life of me. I could not get him to
Speaker 2: come on. He was like, no, you know, no one
Speaker 2: to believe me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could understand his possession. That just gave
Speaker 1: me goose bumps.
Speaker 2: Crikey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, some people drug to folklos stories, but they
Speaker 2: you know, they originated, originate usually from something. I mean
Speaker 2: fair enough. You know you can put things down to
Speaker 2: superstition and not understanding something and metaphors and all that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Yeah, but I think there's definitely something there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think I don't see the term brownies
Speaker 1: is that unique to the UK or is that Scotland,
Speaker 1: because we we would call things brownies. But then as well,
Speaker 1: you know, like the girl Guides, we have the version
Speaker 1: for girl Guides for younger girls, and that's also called
Speaker 1: the brownies, and you have to be like a helpful
Speaker 1: person and you know, do good kind of thing. But
Speaker 1: brownies are also a term for some type of elemental
Speaker 1: little person thing. It could be like adobby esque.
Speaker 2: Thing, that's right. I think in England the little brownies
Speaker 2: little brownie girls like the cookies and stuff. Right, it's
Speaker 2: the same, Yeah, exactly the same. But the brownie fair is.
Speaker 2: I believe they were house elementals if I remember.
Speaker 1: Rightly, Okay, that will be the ones. Yeah, like the cleaners.
Speaker 2: Cleaning up, making a mess, all kinds of mischiefs like that. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm to be honest with you. They could be beneficial
Speaker 2: and house. I think we could do with one of
Speaker 2: a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's quite interesting. I think we could probably
Speaker 1: talk all day about these kind of things. But I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to I'm not going to listen to the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I will tell my family, I'll ask. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how many people listen because they kind of they
Speaker 1: know this is me now, but they kind of roll
Speaker 1: their eyes and you know, like, Okay, even my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: he's such a skeptic, but he is very much you know,
Speaker 1: black and white, I believe it kind of thing. But
Speaker 1: he wants so badly to experience something. But when these
Speaker 1: all things have happened, he just won't to accept it.
Speaker 1: He needs, you know, he needs like whipped off his
Speaker 1: feet to believe it. So I think I need to
Speaker 1: get him to some take him to those Edinburgh Dungeons
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: You guys are in the perfect place to visit. A
Speaker 2: few stately homes and a few haunted hotels. Yeah, Edinburgh, Edinburgh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it's just it's just everywhere here and even
Speaker 1: in our own little towns. It's like a little village
Speaker 1: hall or you know, a little alley way that's just
Speaker 1: all cobbled like that must hold something, it has to
Speaker 1: hold something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do that. Yeah, and make sure you find a
Speaker 2: place that's going to knock his socks off.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's hope. So, Okay, it was nice talking to you.
Speaker 2: Nick Nicola, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely fascinated hear your account.
Speaker 1: Oh no worries, Thank you you take care of you,
Speaker 1: take care too.
Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your day and we will speak soon. Okay,
Speaker 2: well do thank you, bye bye, take care for now.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. Well that's all for this episode. Keep updated
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Speaker 2: to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Nicola
Speaker 2: for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 2: will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
Speaker 2: keep watching the skies. Goodbye,