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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To report every thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 3>UFO over hey, we want to one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas

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<v Speaker 4>thirty one me neither there were self.

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<v Speaker 2>If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just passed over.

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<v Speaker 1>I go. I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I passed out over the top of US ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one one. You just called up to me before they're

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<v Speaker 2>after staying the airplanes. He is.

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<v Speaker 4>Where to God on an unidentified object every Liberty four

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<v Speaker 4>call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 2>A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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<v Speaker 2>their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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<v Speaker 2>an encounter, I would like to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast. How are you

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<v Speaker 2>all doing this week? I am Nick Hunter and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we're in Scotland to

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<v Speaker 2>meet Nicola and she'll be sharing her exppearances that began

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<v Speaker 2>as a child with strange out of the body sensations,

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<v Speaker 2>distorted perceptions, and a hand that grabbed her awake out

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<v Speaker 2>of grandmother's house. As she grew older, the activity continued,

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<v Speaker 2>including a violent hair pulling incident during a sleepover and

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<v Speaker 2>a moment of spoken anger that seemed to echo forward

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<v Speaker 2>into a real car crash. In the mid nineties, Nicola

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<v Speaker 2>and her sister witnessed something that changed everything. A silent,

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<v Speaker 2>metallic sphere hovered in broad daylight over a field near

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<v Speaker 2>their home in Octatur. It moved in ways that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to make sense, and what happened next left a

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<v Speaker 2>last remark on both sisters and a terrifying feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>something intelligent was behind it. Nicola is up next, but first,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on

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<v Speaker 2>with the show. Hello Nichol, Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Nick, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am wonderful, thank you, thank you for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're calling from Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I am. I'm calling from.

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<v Speaker 2>fIF wonderful part of the world. I must submit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now you have some experiences to share with us. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you like to start the beginning please, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, of course, thank you. Yeah, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of my very first things. Actually, So, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>lots happen when I was young, but what did happen

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<v Speaker 1>it was quite impactful and I couldn't ignore it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being about so it must have been around

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<v Speaker 1>Primary five or six, and we were staying in a

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<v Speaker 1>house in a time called KIRKODDI That's where I'm from,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember it was so brief. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>big it didn't happen many times. It was so brief,

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<v Speaker 1>and I still find it hard to articulate what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>but I sometimes heard it's through podcasts. That I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>people refer to that Alice in Wonder syndrome. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if I've heard people talking about that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've heard one person who described it perfectly. So.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember lying in bed and my whole face felt

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<v Speaker 1>too big for me, and I remember trying to explain

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<v Speaker 1>it to my mum the next day and I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I still find it really difficult to do that. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like my skin was wrong for me, and that

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<v Speaker 1>feeling just it stayed with me. I could still feel

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<v Speaker 1>it in my face that I felt like my mouth

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<v Speaker 1>was too big for me. I felt like my mouth

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<v Speaker 1>was taking up the whole of the walls in the room,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was really uncomfortable. And it was in that

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<v Speaker 1>space when you're just drifting off to sleep. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was in this house, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is where I felt myself leave my body. I felt myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in bed and I feel myself kind of. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't drift up. I found myself so close to the

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling that I felt my face tilt back because I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the jaggy you know, the Arctics though jagging the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess ceilings. I felt the jaggy stuff. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the jaggy stuff was going to jag my face and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember tilting my face back and then just bang,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back. But I do remember other times where I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up and I was so sure that I could fly.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so sure that I remember standing at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the stairs before school and I just had

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<v Speaker 1>that dream where I was outside and I was flying

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<v Speaker 1>round the cul de sac. I was looking at things

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have been able to see. That could be

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<v Speaker 1>a dream, I don't know, but when I woke up

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<v Speaker 1>it was so vivid. I remember holding on to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the stairs, thinking, I think I could do

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<v Speaker 1>it if I just take one leap. I believe I

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<v Speaker 1>could do it. And then you know, I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked down the stairs like a normal child, but

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I could take that leap. I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I could almost let myself go into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like I had that little ability to

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<v Speaker 1>go into fly mode. So, yeah, that was one of

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<v Speaker 1>one of my really early things. So there was the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the outer body kind of thing. It's not a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but it did sit in my mind. It's always stayed there.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that happened after that, so it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a few years after I was staying and again in

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<v Speaker 1>Quakaudia and my gran's house, and I didn't stay in

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<v Speaker 1>this house much. It really I didn't feel good in

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<v Speaker 1>this house. It felt fine downstairs, but it didn't upstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a terrace house. It had in the garden

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<v Speaker 1>it had you know, the old bombshelters with corrugated sheep

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<v Speaker 1>sort of arched over. It still had that in the garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the gardens still had them. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a really it wasn't super old. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been bill obviously pre war, but maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>long before that. So it was like a three bedroom house.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk in the house, there's a living room, a hall,

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, then a kitchen, and upstairs is three bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>And it had a loft with a glass cover. They

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<v Speaker 1>really scare me, you know, the glass covers. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's so you get extra light into the hall. But

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<v Speaker 1>this upstairs, I couldn't get past a certain step up there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so creepy. So this one night, my sister

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<v Speaker 1>and I were maybe about two years between us, if that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, we stayed in my grand's room so this

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<v Speaker 1>front room, it had a street light right outside, which

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<v Speaker 1>was novel. I didn't stay somewhere with a street light

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So the light was there. It was this

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<v Speaker 1>orange gamberry light. It was kind of comforting. We were

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<v Speaker 1>in these single bed side by side, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>this really old walnut furniture, a big wardrobe of shiny,

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous walnut and dress. It was very pretty. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had all my granny's fur coats inside the wardrobe. And

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<v Speaker 1>the two beds are, you know, facing the window, with

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a table or something in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>and two So my sister slept on the bed closest

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<v Speaker 1>to the door when you walk in. I slept on

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<v Speaker 1>the bed closest the wall, the furthest wall, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a cupboard there that she didn't have the key for.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, she didn't have the key for so nobody

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<v Speaker 1>used it. That was her mother's house. She grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in that house, so she lived there her whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>This wardrobe, she said, just wasn't used. And my bed

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<v Speaker 1>was about a meter away from this door. So Lana

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<v Speaker 1>and I, my sister, we were we were scared. We

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<v Speaker 1>were always creeped out, always were. You know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>always jumping into each other's beds and nick or you awake, Lanner,

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<v Speaker 1>you awake, kind of thing. I'm sure people that share

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<v Speaker 1>bedrooms know that exact feeling when you're scared at night

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<v Speaker 1>is such comfort to have a sibling beside you to

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<v Speaker 1>be scared with. So I'm lying in this bed and

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up. I'm lying flat on the bed, and

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up with a hand. It clearly felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a hand, and it grabbed my thigh and it grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>my thigh to a place where it felt it was

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<v Speaker 1>too high. I remember being it woke me up and

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<v Speaker 1>it felt so sharp, it felt like something the hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it now with my hand, so I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to explain this. So I'm lying down in

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<v Speaker 1>the bed, and it felt like whoever's hand it was

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<v Speaker 1>was standing facing me, so you know, the pinky finger

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<v Speaker 1>was closer to the bottom of my leg, thumb higher,

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<v Speaker 1>and it felt like it dug into my thigh and

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<v Speaker 1>I could be I woke up petrified to move, to breathe,

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything. I stayed awake all night until the

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<v Speaker 1>daytime came, and I never ever stayed in her house again,

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<v Speaker 1>and that feeling was so clear, and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>a dead sleep, and I'm so certain of this. I

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<v Speaker 1>must have been around perhaps I had a sister who

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<v Speaker 1>was just born, so maybe about nine. And this hand

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<v Speaker 1>it was so clear. I can remember the digging in

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<v Speaker 1>of the hand now, and it grabbed my thigh so tight,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't feel kind. If that was a granny

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<v Speaker 1>or a granddad that used to live in that house,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't happy because that was not a nice feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a grab and then nothing. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>the hand. Generally sleeping, I was petrified, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what of I've heard the earlier memories than those events,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just remember being petrified in bed, so scared

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<v Speaker 1>of something in the dark. And I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>if I saw anything. Nothing happened, but I was petrified

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years inside my bed. And other people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I'm talking about. When you're under your

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<v Speaker 1>doovy cover and you're trying not to breed and you're pacing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're breathing, and you're trying to act like you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that they know that, you know, if that makes

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. So I spent a lot of time in

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<v Speaker 1>that state growing up. There was one thing, actually, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a really really scary thing that happened. This is

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<v Speaker 1>when I started high school. So I had a friend

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<v Speaker 1>that lived in a village called Kinghorn. It's k i

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<v Speaker 1>n g h o r N and it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>village just outside the town and it's really creepy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got walls. It's a coastal town. It's got little harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot everything around here is really coastal.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kinghorn they had just to try and set a scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Kinghorn is quite old. There are sort of ghost stories

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<v Speaker 1>about speaky tales. It's a bit of a creepy little place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really old. There's walls still there now, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are the construction of the walls there. They're high, like

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<v Speaker 1>six foot high stone walls, and on the tops they

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<v Speaker 1>have broken glass all sticking out the tops. That must

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<v Speaker 1>be their form of security for back then. And the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds fancier than it is. It was just those little

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<v Speaker 1>up to the middle floor and then you go up

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't have a big room. It was you walk

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<v Speaker 1>So we're sitting on the carpet in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>like melted whacks and we're rolling it into balls and shapes,

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<v Speaker 1>and right beside us is the wardrobe doors, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were so close that I don't know how the wardrobe

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<v Speaker 1>force at the very same time right beside us, and

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<v Speaker 1>our froze. And I looked at my friend, Kerry, she

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<v Speaker 1>was called. I looked at my friend, and she looked

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<v Speaker 1>like it didn't happen. And I followed her leader and

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<v Speaker 1>we got up out of the room. So in that

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, this isn't she needs had this happen before.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a thing. So I was really scared

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep in this room this night. I was so afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>So it comes to bedtime and we didn't play in

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<v Speaker 1>that room again. We went outside, we went to the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>we played outside, we didn't go back into the room.

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<v Speaker 1>So it comes to bedtime and we were popping and tailing.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's you know, a pillow at either end, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're just small, so we were comfortable. So Kerry is

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the bed with the walls around her,

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<v Speaker 1>which was very envious of. She had the safety of

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<v Speaker 1>these walls around her head. But for me, I had

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<v Speaker 1>the wardrobe at my head. It was the closest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the windows, you know, to the side of me,

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<v Speaker 1>on my left because I'm facing her, and the wardrobe

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<v Speaker 1>is behind me slightly to the right. And we fell

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<v Speaker 1>asleep when it seemed fine, but then something I felt

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<v Speaker 1>something rip my hair out. It actually pulled my hair out.

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<v Speaker 1>I jumped up or screamed. We put the lights on

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<v Speaker 1>and there was hair on the pillow. My hair must

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<v Speaker 1>have been just you know, sitting naturally long over the pillow.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me until I was about thirty plus to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep without tucking my hair down into my pillow or

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<v Speaker 1>down my neck because it impacted me so much. I

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<v Speaker 1>was petrified after that. So yeah, that was the Kinghorn story.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was. I don't know which one of these

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<v Speaker 1>came first, but I'll get the smaller one out the

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<v Speaker 1>way before I get into the UFO one because I

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<v Speaker 1>might talk a bit about that. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this might have been after It was around the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the nineties. I had a boyfriend in the village.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in a village Octor two, which is three

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<v Speaker 1>miles outside Cordy, so we'd move by that point and

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<v Speaker 1>Octor two is a very boring mile long village with

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<v Speaker 1>nothing apart from a nursing home and at the time

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<v Speaker 1>a little pub, so you kind of had to make

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<v Speaker 1>your own fun. So I'm with people out in the

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<v Speaker 1>street and there's this boyfriend going past who I had

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<v Speaker 1>broken up with, and he stopped in his car and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, chating, being cheeky, and he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>to me. My best friend and her boyfriend he's in

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<v Speaker 1>the car, and he's got a car full of boys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're eighteen, they're just driving kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we didn't part on good terms, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>feeling bitter. So when they stopped, you know, I didn't speak.

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<v Speaker 1>They drove away, and I'm not proud of what I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but out loud, I said, I hope he crashes that car.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been so careful with my words ever since,

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<v Speaker 1>because we were not even at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>village and ambulances, three ambulances go past us, and my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach dropped and I thought, no, that, no, that can't be.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they crashed the car, and some of them

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<v Speaker 1>had to be I can't remember if they were cut out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a very bad crash their road where

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<v Speaker 1>we lived. The road it's the BE nine two five.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very twisty, windy, fun road, but that also means

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<v Speaker 1>it's very dangerous and there's been quite a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fatality on that road. Where they crashed was the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same spot. Almost a year after, four young men were killed, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>right on the same bend, and they they were hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one one of the guys in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that was with the guy I had been seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was left very physically hurt. He was crippled afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>He found it very difficult to get about. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a serious crash, and that was a heavy thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me to live with, believing that I had caused

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<v Speaker 1>that crash. It still sits with me now, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very careful with my words, and I do use that

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<v Speaker 1>instance as an example to my kith to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got more power than you realize, because I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe I made that happen. Maybe it was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of his immaturity cost that crash too, but I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>won't be cursing anyone again, So I think we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into the UFO one, right. So I'm living in the

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<v Speaker 1>village in Octar two and I'm from a big family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the oldest of five children. There's ten years between

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<v Speaker 1>myself and my youngest sister. There's four girls and it

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<v Speaker 1>goes two girls, one boy, two girls. So my mum

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<v Speaker 1>and dad were always out doing things with the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>They had the younger kids with them, you know, Me

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister, we were teenagers. This must have been

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<v Speaker 1>about I really can't remember the year, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I was about fifteen sixteen, so that must have

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<v Speaker 1>been about nineteen. My birthday is Christmas Day, nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's easy for me to count, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>very good with numbers. So that would have been about

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineteen ninety six if I was fifteen through that year,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So we lived in the village. We

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<v Speaker 1>moved to the village because my dad worked on the

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<v Speaker 1>rigs on oil rigs previously, and he got a job

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<v Speaker 1>which was basically the same job, but on land at

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<v Speaker 1>our refinery. It's called moss Morn. It's a really big plant,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's split half shell. Half was Exxon and my

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<v Speaker 1>dad worked for Shell and I remember when he first

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<v Speaker 1>started working there. They have a like a helipad small airfield.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not very sure, but I remember my dad telling

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<v Speaker 1>me that when he first started working there, his colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>told him that recently there had been a UFO attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to land there. I don't know if that's true or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but that stuck in my head. So we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. All the kids are out with Mum and dad.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kicking about in the Volvo State doing their thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they call. They say, we've left Cassie the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a tiny little boxer dog. We've left her

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<v Speaker 1>at home. She's in the kennel. Can you and Lana

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<v Speaker 1>take her out for a walk across the field? So

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<v Speaker 1>our house was, you know, it was afternoon. I said, Lanna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're going to have to get this done

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<v Speaker 1>before they're home, so let's go and take Cassie out.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's afternoon. It was a beautiful sunny day, it

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<v Speaker 1>was summertime. It was just a lovely day, and the

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<v Speaker 1>house was right next to a field. So we would,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hop out the back door, let the dog

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<v Speaker 1>out the kennel and just jump over the wall. And

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the field. So we're walking up the field.

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<v Speaker 1>If I actually should have should have given you a

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<v Speaker 1>map for this, I'll drop you a pin later and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see geographically how I'm trying to explain this.

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<v Speaker 1>So we jump over the wall, and this field is

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<v Speaker 1>on a gradual incline, so our street is on a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an incline, so is the field. We jump

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<v Speaker 1>over the wall and it's not long. Maybe we walk

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<v Speaker 1>past our house, the next house, and then we're at

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<v Speaker 1>the crest of the field. So we walk out in

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<v Speaker 1>this field. I'm trying to explain this best I can

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<v Speaker 1>of the area. So we go up the field, and

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<v Speaker 1>the field, once you reach the crest, it goes whush

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<v Speaker 1>straight down. It's very steep. The tractors they would never

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<v Speaker 1>go up it. They would only go down it, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's the other way about. They could only do one

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<v Speaker 1>way on this field because it was very, very steep,

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<v Speaker 1>and it very bottom was a burn, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if people know what burn is. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>little river, very small river. So at the burn, the

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<v Speaker 1>field then goes dramatically upward again. So it goes up

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<v Speaker 1>a hill and there's an area of fields there's another

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<v Speaker 1>field with some horses. There's the backs of the houses

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<v Speaker 1>from the cul de sac where I've just came. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a little forest. There's quite a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>odd little sections of trees, and there's also a road

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<v Speaker 1>farther left, about a quarter of a mile down to

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<v Speaker 1>the left that doesn't really that doesn't really come into

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<v Speaker 1>the so tall though, So we jump over the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in the field. We reached the crest of the

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<v Speaker 1>field and Cassie the dog might need to explain her behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So Cassie was like, if she could, she'd run away.

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<v Speaker 1>Every moment she got, she would just run away. And

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<v Speaker 1>she loved brush balls, chase cats, she or She was

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<v Speaker 1>such a funny little dog. She was like a brindle

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<v Speaker 1>dog that's kind of like a blackie red color. And

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<v Speaker 1>she was so small. I've not seen a boxer as

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<v Speaker 1>small as her. She was very petite, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>barking mainland as we're walking up the hill where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just sort of sort of kicking our feet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice day, letting the dog out, not really thinking much,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Cassie's barking, barking, So we look up and

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the barn, where the field

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<v Speaker 1>rises again, there's a section of trees and sort of

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<v Speaker 1>above that is this In my head, I just thought

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<v Speaker 1>that helicopter is so low, and then I remember thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't I hear it? That's not a helicopter. What

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<v Speaker 1>is that? So when all the this happened over just seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie the dog, she's she's getting really aggressive at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and bearing in mind she's been in the kennel for

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<v Speaker 1>probably a few hours, she could really do with a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, she hadn't even you know, done her business. Shit,

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<v Speaker 1>And she stopped barking and ran back to the kennel.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was so scared in that moment because right

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment, this thing, this this round, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a sphere. And I'm finding it difficult to compare the

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<v Speaker 1>size to something but perhaps a car. The size of

417
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<v Speaker 1>a car, but it was a sphere, and it reminded

418
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>me of like, you know, Terminator two with the mercury,

419
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the bad Terminator or the new model,

420
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of drippy and mercury, and it's shiny, metallic,

421
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's got movement to it. So this thing, I

422
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>couldn't tell. I couldn't find the word to describe what

423
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at. Was it what I was it

424
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 1>see through? Was it twinkling? Was it light that was

425
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>so bright it was doing something to me? Was it metal?

426
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I still don't know any of these things. But what

427
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I do know is in the seconds that Cassie ran back,

428
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 1>when I looked up, I reached my left hand out

429
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 1>and I grabbed my sister's arm, and we're just standing

430
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 1>beside each other. She was just a tiny tad about

431
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a foot or two behind me. I kind of I

432
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>held her back a little bit because this looked I

433
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand it, and whatever it was, it knew the

434
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>second I saw it, because quicker than I could blink,

435
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>this thing was closer, which blew my mind because how

436
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not making any sound. I didn't see it move.

437
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>How is it doing this? What is this? And I

438
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>grabbed my sister's arm and I took a few steps back,

439
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.119
<v Speaker 1>and then I just said run, and I grabbed my

440
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>sister's arm and we ran back to the house, and

441
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that was it. I didn't look back, but that thing

442
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>knew that I knew. I could see it, and it

443
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 1>moved so close so quickly that it just it didn't

444
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>make any sense. So I felt danger. I don't know

445
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>if there was danger or if I was perceiving danger,

446
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>because it was something that I didn't understand, but I

447
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>felt in danger, and I grabbed my sister and we

448
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 1>ran back to the house. If the dog, the dog

449
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 1>was the big red flag. That wasn't in her nature

450
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 1>to behave like that. That was very out of character

451
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>for her. So that coupled with what we were looking

452
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>at and how quickly the thing had come over the

453
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>level of the burn, it was like it came to us,

454
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and that scared me. So we ran. We ran in

455
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the house, and I have no memory of what we

456
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>did in the house, what we spoke about, what way,

457
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>if we told anyone, I have no memory of that.

458
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>But one month approximately one month later, so remember I'm

459
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>not keeping any dates and don't remember things very well.

460
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>So it was about a month later. So this thing

461
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that had happened was still recent, it was still in

462
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>our minds, and it had left us shook. We were

463
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>genuinely shook. So we were in bed, and I might

464
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>have to describe the layout of the house. So the

465
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>house was like a long bungalow, and we were really

466
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 1>quite set back from the road. The whole street came

467
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 1>between us and the road, so there's maybe like a

468
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<v Speaker 1>raw with one, two, three, four five houses before it

469
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>got to the road, the main road that came into

470
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the village. So the village entrance was just in line

471
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 1>with our house, but it was a good distance away.

472
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 1>So because the way the land is, it's going up,

473
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 1>so it used to just be a little street. And

474
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 1>then they built this culled sack on the hill with

475
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe six seven houses, and ours was one of those.

476
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 1>So we're on a bit of a hill. So this

477
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 1>is important because my bedroom looked out towards the entrance

478
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of the village. But it was high. It was very high.

479
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Even though I was in a bungalow, I know how

480
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>it was very high. I used to have to when

481
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I would sneak in on out my bedroom at night

482
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to go and look for fun in the village. I

483
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 1>used to have to leave a slab, a long slab

484
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>tipped over on its side and whole grab onto this

485
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 1>old metal thing in the wall to get in my room.

486
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>That wall must have been about eight foot high. So

487
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 1>nothing we did not get like road traffic. You didn't

488
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>see the light coming in the room really from the

489
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>traffic because it was going through the village. It was

490
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>parallel to our window, and again a good distance away.

491
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>So I'm saying this because you know, people say, oh,

492
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe this was cars or it was someone with a

493
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>strobe light. That was what my dad said. But what

494
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 1>happened was we were in bed and my bed we

495
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>had the window between us, so we had our My

496
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 1>bed was facing the door, tucked into the right. My

497
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>sister's bed was on the left of the window, left

498
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of the door, tucked in on the left, so we

499
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>had the window between us in the middle between us

500
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 1>our beds, and I woke up to a light that

501
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I would describe it as an LED light now, but

502
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>back then you didn't really see as many as you

503
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 1>do now led lights. But it was it was like

504
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>that white. It was so white blue. It was so bright,

505
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>but it had a rhythm to the flash. So we

506
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 1>had blinds. We had these, you know, twisted blinds, horizontal

507
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 1>blinds that twisted, and we had curtains over so you know,

508
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.559
<v Speaker 1>we very really didn't get light in our room. This

509
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't something that happened ever, But this light, A wake up,

510
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 1>and Lana's on my left arm, grabbing at me, and

511
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 1>she's saying, let me in the bed, and neck, let

512
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>me in the bed, please wake up, Let me in

513
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the bed. And I wake up, and I'm just taking

514
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>this all in in seconds. I wake up. She's petrified.

515
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 1>And there was this light in the room, filling every

516
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>corner of the room, which I don't know how that

517
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>is possible without there being a light right in front

518
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of the window. And it was so strong and it

519
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>was I don't know how to time this for you,

520
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was going it was going dim dim, dim, dim,

521
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.639
<v Speaker 1>then up up up up up bright, you know, like

522
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 1>really bright, and then it was filling everything, holding for

523
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.039
<v Speaker 1>a second and going down slow dim, then back again.

524
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>It was so rhythmic, and it wasn't in a hurry,

525
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 1>and you could see the shade of everything. You could see,

526
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>you could see everything in the room. It was so bright.

527
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>And then I pulled covers over my head and my

528
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 1>poor sister. I just pulled it over and I said,

529
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 1>this isn't happening, This isn't happening, This isn't happening. And

530
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I just kept repeating that to myself, and then I

531
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>hear Lana run away and my radio starts blaring. But

532
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you if that was Lana in a

533
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>panic that knocked it over on full blast, or if

534
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 1>that was something else. But at that point, Lana's screaming.

535
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>She gets to the door, and my dad bursts through

536
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the hall and he's saying, you know what is going

537
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>on in this room? And then there's nothing. There was

538
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>just nothing, no lights, nothing, It was all over. And

539
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>my dad said it was one of the boys in

540
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the village pranking us with a strobe light, which we

541
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>completely disagreed with. And that is the end of the

542
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 1>UFO incident.

543
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 4>You don't always know you're in a cult. Not at first.

544
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 4>It feels like truth, like purpose, like home. Then the

545
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.320
<v Speaker 4>rules change, the world gets smaller, and obedience becomes survival.

546
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Hidden Cults is the podcast that takes you inside the

547
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.920
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548
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.280
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549
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.639
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550
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.559
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551
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:05.039
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552
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.639
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553
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.320
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554
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555
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.320
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556
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557
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558
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>That sounds pretty scary.

559
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 1>That was very scary. Yeah, that was very scary. I've

560
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>had no more UFO experiences, but that one I did

561
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 1>have that's changed my life. That has changed my world view,

562
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 1>It's changed the trajectory of my life, the interests that

563
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 1>have I'm so grateful I had that experience, and I

564
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 1>feel so lucky to have had a UFO experience in

565
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 1>broad daylight. I always thought UFO experiences were nighttime. It

566
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>would be a shooting star kind of type thing, you know,

567
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>zig zagging through the sky, or a beam that would

568
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.760
<v Speaker 1>try and pick me up. But it was what I saw,

569
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 1>and I could never have imagined it would be in

570
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>broad daylight. And I truly believe that something came back,

571
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>something came to see us, something. I feel like it

572
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of tagged us. I felt like we were on

573
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:42.599
<v Speaker 1>its radar from the sighting. But yeah, that's completely changed

574
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 1>my life.

575
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is quite a large object, so it

576
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>was about the size of a car, looking like liquid.

577
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Mercury, similar, it's something. So the words that come to

578
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>mind when I see it is iridescent mercury, possibly mirror,

579
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>extremely shiny, reflective. But was it just light that I

580
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand. It seems like a material that I didn't understand.

581
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>But it looked to me as a human. It looked

582
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 1>metallic and course very large.

583
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So we're not looking at something like a my La

584
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>balloon or anything.

585
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 1>No, there's no one hundred percent no way that that

586
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>was anything known to me or anybody else that. I

587
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 1>find it very difficult to find the words because I

588
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>don't have the words for what that was. I don't

589
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.760
<v Speaker 1>have the It's not the physics that we are raised

590
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>to understand. There was no sound, There was no when

591
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 1>it moved. How did it move without making sound? How

592
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>did it come closer? If it was just a metal

593
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>sphere or metallic sphere or liquid sphere, how did it

594
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 1>know that I was looking? Did it have eyes? Did

595
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it see? Was there something inside it? I don't know,

596
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>but it looked three dimensional and it was it had definition.

597
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:22.639
<v Speaker 1>It was one hundred percent a perfect circle. It was

598
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like a bubble, but it was very big. And I

599
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 1>don't understand how the people in the houses and the

600
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>cults that where I lived, the houses that sat on

601
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the crest, we sat on the sort of the hell

602
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 1>going up, but the houses further up sat right on

603
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the crest of that hell. They had a beautiful view.

604
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 1>They still do, and they must have seen that. Someone

605
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>must have seen it. Obviously they'd have to be in

606
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>their house and looking out their windows at that time.

607
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>But why was it there? What was it doing? I

608
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>don't understand what I saw. I don't understand what it was.

609
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 1>And my sister, she still corroborates that. Unfortunately, we haven't

610
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>spoken in quite a long time, but we would occasionally,

611
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>very very occasionally, say hey, do you remember the thing

612
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.519
<v Speaker 1>we saw? And the last time I ever spoke to

613
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 1>her about it was with her husband, and he was

614
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 1>so dismissive. He told us we were both crazy, and

615
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>you know we were. There was something wrong with us.

616
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 1>And I could see she took a step back from,

617
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, delving into that actual experience. I'll tell anyone,

618
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 1>I've not got many things to say about I can

619
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>just say what happened. I don't. It just actually gives

620
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>me so much more questions. But I feel like she

621
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 1>it's something she puts away. She is very much afraid

622
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 1>of the paranormal, and growing up when things would happen,

623
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>she saw things, so she would see things in our house.

624
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>She once saw a dog run into our room, jump

625
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 1>on the bed and go push disappear that. I didn't

626
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.760
<v Speaker 1>actually let her tell me that until I'd moved out

627
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 1>the house, because if I had seen anything, I could

628
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 1>not sleep in that house, and I didn't have a choice.

629
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I had to sleep there. So she was very afraid

630
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of all that. She would be quite happy to pack

631
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that away and live happily in ignorance. But for me,

632
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just undeniable, and I take it as

633
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 1>a sign. I'm just grateful that it happened, and it's

634
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>opened up a whole world for me that is so

635
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>exciting and makes life much less sporing.

636
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. And it's not uncommon for people

637
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you know like that that push these experiences aside, even

638
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 2>though they know fall well they happened. Her partner is

639
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the way he is, then she's not going to be

640
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 2>as open, and I've spoken about it more so, if

641
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 2>she's scared of this kind of thing.

642
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. I think him growing up it

643
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>was a case of there's no such thing as ghosts,

644
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>don't be silly. But I know that things have happened

645
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to my mum and she very much brushes that aside.

646
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I think she's quite scared of that. So growing up,

647
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.800
<v Speaker 1>we were not raised in the type of home that

648
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>embraced you know, the paranormal and everything that comes with that.

649
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Although I have to say I'm a huge X Files

650
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>fan and my dad. I used to spend a lot

651
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 1>of time watching documentaries with my dad and he was

652
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>very scientific, but at the same time, he loved a

653
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>good mystery and he loved a ghost story. That thinks

654
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 1>their stories he's told me that I'm not actually sure

655
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of very true or if they were, you know, stories

656
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to creep out little kids. They did used to do

657
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>things to really scare us. But the things that have

658
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 1>happened he was not responsible for. We did watch lots

659
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>of documentaries Space, you know, Bigfoot, X Files, all that

660
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>good nineties stuff, so I know he was open to

661
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>it and I enjoyed that with him. But my mum.

662
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.280
<v Speaker 1>She was afraid and I think the story goes that

663
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>her her granny, So my great granny she read tea leaves,

664
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>so maybe there's something there that she's afraid of.

665
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the old tea leave readers, I remember them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

666
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I think you're in the fang club of the X Files.

667
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I love the X Files. I love that kind of thing.

668
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of our listeners

669
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>out there which are exactly the same. I grew up

670
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 2>on the Twilight Zone and shows like that.

671
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, then it's something I probably would have enjoyed, or

672
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe it would have added to the nightmares. Who knows really.

673
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>As far as ufology, that's as far as my experience school,

674
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I've had another. I think I've had a

675
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 1>few little things. So an Octor two. We're very close

676
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to a private estate. It's called Wraith. That's our a T. H.

677
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Wraith Estate. It's a pheasant shooting estate. So my dad

678
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>always shocked growing up. That was it's just what we did,

679
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 1>and on this state it was. It was beautiful. It

680
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>is still beautiful. It's got a massive, massive house, a huge, huge,

681
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>stately home. It's a gorgeous place. It's very private, so

682
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>when I would go there with my parents, it was

683
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>a treat because you couldn't just walk through the gamekeeper,

684
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:04.320
<v Speaker 1>would you know, give you a yelling at. So since

685
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been small, I've had these dreams. It's a recurring

686
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 1>dream of a place on Reithe the State. I used

687
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a dream that I was at church or

688
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 1>a chapel. It was a place of worship and I

689
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 1>was inside the chapel, but there was something outside the

690
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 1>chapel that was trying to pull me outside. It wasn't

691
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 1>something I could see. It was something that was trying

692
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to pull me out. And I don't even know if

693
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 1>there was a chapel on the State, but in the

694
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 1>dream it was always the same. There was this sunken

695
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 1>down area before the entrance of this chapel, and it

696
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 1>wasn't big, it was small, but there was something outside

697
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that was that. It wasn't a good energy. It was

698
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like it was a scary dream. But this was all

699
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was just this snippet and I'd have

700
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 1>that dream over the years, at least every year. For

701
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 1>quite a few years, I would have this dream, and

702
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 1>then eventually I had my first baby, and I had

703
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 1>to get a bigger house. So my mum she called

704
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:31.519
<v Speaker 1>up the layered who owned this state, and you know, oh, Nicholas,

705
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 1>looking for a bigger house, do you have anything on

706
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>this state. So luckily for us, we got a gorgeous

707
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>little cottage on this state. So we lived in there

708
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>for oh goodness, it was. It was quite some time

709
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>we lived there, maybe about seven seven years something like that.

710
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I might be wrong. So we lived in this little house,

711
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>this cottage on this state, and I used to think,

712
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's really funny how that estate is

713
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's part of my dreams, and I feel very close.

714
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel very connected to raise the state for some reason.

715
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just the stories in my head. When I

716
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>was young, it was always very grand. My dad would

717
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>when he was home from the rigs, he would fix

718
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the layerd's doorbells and electrical work. So he had all

719
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 1>these houses on this state that were rented out to people.

720
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>So my dad, when he was homie, would fix washing machines.

721
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>It was a sparky to trade, so he would fix

722
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 1>things and we would often go along. I spent many

723
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 1>times under the floors waiting for a cable to pop through.

724
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>So we saw inside the house and it was just

725
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a gorgeous place to be, but goodness, it

726
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>would be so creepy at night. And my dad did

727
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>tell us a ghost story that he experienced on the

728
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 1>state as a young boy, so that just added to

729
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 1>the whole mistake. So maybe I'm building a subconscious picture

730
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:03.039
<v Speaker 1>my mind and you know, creating these dreams. Anyway, we

731
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 1>move into the cottage and that was a creepy, creepy cottage.

732
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 1>It was very cold. It was so cold, even with

733
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.599
<v Speaker 1>heating on, you could see your breath. It was a stone,

734
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 1>old stone cottage. And it was right in a field

735
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 1>where there's a tower, a tower called bill Weary Tower,

736
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>where famously there's a wizard in kirk Coody. I might

737
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 1>get his name wrong, Michael. I think it's wizard Michael

738
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or David, something like that. So there's stories about that

739
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>wizard in Kirklaudy. There's a monument to not a big

740
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 1>fancy thing, a big, big wooden statue of this this

741
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>wizard of Kirkcaudy. It's near the park on a walk,

742
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>just to that field that we used to live in.

743
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So there's an old tower there in that field, and

744
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>we actually lived it felt very dark in that area,

745
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 1>did not feel good. So where the tower is is

746
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 1>where the wizard. He was actually a meteorologist and mathematician

747
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and maybe wrong, but people could check that out for themselves.

748
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>It's quite a nice little rabbit hole to go down.

749
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 1>So apparently he went everywhere wearing metal helmet because he

750
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 1>had premonition that he would be hit by something on

751
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>his head and he would be killed. The only time

752
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>he took his metal helmet off was when he would

753
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>go into church and he was doing just that and

754
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a rock fell or a slate, goodness knows what, but

755
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>hit his head and killed him. So he had a

756
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>premonition of his own death. So yeah, he lived in

757
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the field where our cottage was. And also just by

758
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>that tower there was a tree where there was a

759
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>man hung. So the story goes someone was hung in

760
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 1>that field as well, and a lot of things happened

761
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 1>for me in that house. I actually don't know anybody

762
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that lived there that didn't end and their tenancy well,

763
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 1>it was not a nice place to be and I

764
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>ended up separating from my husband at the time. In

765
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>that house, it was it did not feel good in

766
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that house. My daughter, who is sixteen now tells me

767
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 1>about her experiences in that house. So in the house,

768
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:41.400
<v Speaker 1>she would say to me, remember saying this, you know, mother,

769
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I there was a there was a lady next to

770
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 1>my bed. And I'd say, oh, yeah, really, what does

771
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 1>she look like? And she said she would wear a penny,

772
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, an apron, like an olden day's lady. And

773
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I said, and where did she go? And she said

774
00:50:56.280 --> 00:51:00.519
<v Speaker 1>she went through the wall. So as she's got older,

775
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 1>she's explained more to me. And she used to play

776
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:10.679
<v Speaker 1>in that room with something chasing round her in the room,

777
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.480
<v Speaker 1>she said, she always thought it was their father, which

778
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 1>she would not do that. You put. She would go

779
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to bed and she would have a cuddle, you know,

780
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a book and hopefully go to sleep. She remembers getting

781
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>up more than once. And in her bedroom it is

782
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a very big room, low ceiling and again really cold,

783
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 1>and she had a round table play table in the

784
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 1>middle of the room, and she had a baby's buggy

785
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and a baby's pushchair. So she said she remembers something

786
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>playing with her, chasing round the table and circles. She

787
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>would be pushing one pushchair and the thing would be

788
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 1>pushing the other. So she always thought it was our father,

789
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 1>but he's said, you know, that wasn't me, and obviously

790
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that he would't be doing something like that when it's

791
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>time to go to bed. So she believes it was

792
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>it was a spirit, a ghost, and the thing that

793
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 1>she said used to come to her with the apron.

794
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>She likens that now to an Oden Day's kind of lady,

795
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 1>like a maid. She said she had a little thing

796
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>on her head, an apron a dress. So yeah, she's

797
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 1>experienced things in that house too. I'm sure I'm forgetting

798
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 1>about some things in that house. But the next house

799
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we moved to happened to also be on Raith Estate,

800
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 1>So I just moved from there about a year ago

801
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>in October. I moved from there, so that house, I

802
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 1>would say, So my daughter she's seen the hat man

803
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 1>in that house, right next to her bed. She said

804
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 1>she saw a hat man there. My son, he's had

805
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>two experiences in that house. He was very young, but

806
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 1>he was able to articulate what had happened to him well,

807
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of was sort of there for one

808
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>of them. So the first thing that happened to my son,

809
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>he's thirteen. Now, he was running through the hallway, and

810
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>he was running through the hall and he was going

811
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.159
<v Speaker 1>out to the back door, which led right out the

812
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>hallway to a big deck. And he came running back

813
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and I'm in my room. And he ran past the

814
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>door for that room, which was open, and he comes

815
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 1>running back and he says, you know, mother, I think

816
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I just saw something. I think I just saw myself.

817
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 1>So he's saying to me that he believes he saw.

818
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:03.039
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting on my bed and he sees next

819
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to me, now there was a chest of drawers. He

820
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 1>said he saw a mirror and a black figure that

821
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 1>looked like him running and he looked at it and

822
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>thought he saw himself, but it was black and it

823
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 1>was in a mirror that wasn't there. So that was

824
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 1>a really funny one. We've often spoke. So I listened

825
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.119
<v Speaker 1>to Jim Harold's campfire, and there was once a guy

826
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>on there that said the story where he was a

827
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 1>hope to see this properly. Now, Jim alls this way

828
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>better job. So this little boy was basically in his house.

829
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:47.000
<v Speaker 1>He saw something standing there, a hooded figure eating cereal,

830
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 1>what looked like he was eating cereal on a counter

831
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and then flip to him being an older boy. He

832
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.320
<v Speaker 1>looks across. He's sitting, he's leaning on account of eating

833
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 1>cereal with a hood up, and he looks across and

834
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>sees something run by. So Hugo, my son. He thinks

835
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 1>that he may have seen himself, and I tend to

836
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 1>agree on that. So the next thing that he saw

837
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in the house was we were coming home, and Hugo

838
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.559
<v Speaker 1>was he must have been now, let me think he

839
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 1>must have been about primary six. He was needing the

840
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 1>bathroom and we just got back. So he goes running

841
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 1>through the house and I'm getting myself sorted. We're putting

842
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:38.440
<v Speaker 1>bags down or whatever, and he's running the house himself.

843
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 1>He's gone to the bathroom. By that point, I walk

844
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 1>through the house and I see him and he's he's

845
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.400
<v Speaker 1>running back through the living room. He runs through and

846
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I just see his face change and he can't speak.

847
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>He's he's he had, you know, he was stammering. He

848
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 1>couldn't even catch his breath, and he said, there's a

849
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 1>man in the house. So I checked the house. It's

850
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 1>a very small house. It's an old farmer's, you know,

851
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 1>a worker's cottage. It's not big. There's no one in

852
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the house, and he's gasping, can't even speak, and he

853
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 1>says to me, I said, what did the man look like?

854
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And he said he had no legs. He had red,

855
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 1>spiky up hair like my daughter, who's redheaded. He said,

856
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 1>it was like Emily's hair. It was red and it

857
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 1>was spiky, sticking up. He had a blue velvet jacket

858
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.800
<v Speaker 1>on and his face looked like it had been scribbled

859
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>out by a black pen. That's probably one of the

860
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>creepiest ones I've heard. And he's not seen anymore. He

861
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>has seen a few auras above people. He's asked what

862
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the colors are sometimes that come from people, but he's

863
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't tend to happen anymore. And when he was

864
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 1>young he did actually tell me. So he was quite young,

865
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 1>he was about two two and a half three maybe,

866
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>and we were driving past the shop and he pointed

867
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to this, it's a motorbike shop and it had a

868
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 1>normal apex roof, black roof tiles, and he pointed to

869
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the roof and he said, and he was very very young,

870
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 1>so his words were didn't speak like he does now.

871
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>So he said to me, I was on a roof

872
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 1>like that, I got shot in my back and at

873
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 1>heart and I fell and I died. That's what he

874
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 1>told me. And yeah, he doesn't remember any of that now,

875
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>which I think you often find when you hear these stories.

876
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was blown away. And he has such

877
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 1>an affinity for military and war. So I don't know.

878
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Was he in an act in battle in a previous life.

879
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Yeah, but the boy is camo and gun obsessed.

880
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not so much now as thirteen, it's kind of changing,

881
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he's always had an affinity for military. So

882
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll just go back to the house in the second

883
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>house on Raith Estate. So that house, it was very creepy.

884
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>There was things that happened in that house to me

885
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that we're probably the scariest things that have ever happened.

886
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 1>There's lots of little things like I would get I

887
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 1>would be in my bed on my own, the kids

888
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:43.480
<v Speaker 1>are next door asleep, and I would hear tapping all

889
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 1>the way. It would work its way around on the wall.

890
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And this was a brick house and it had that

891
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.199
<v Speaker 1>really thick wallpaper, so you know, you can often hear

892
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>say a fly or a daddy long legs flapping about

893
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.719
<v Speaker 1>on the wall. You would hear that sometimes because the

894
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 1>paper was thick, very very thick. This happened to me.

895
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember how many times, but I would at tap.

896
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>The tap would click round the room, tapping, tapping, and

897
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 1>it would work its way all the way around the

898
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 1>room until it was beside me. Sometimes the light would flicker,

899
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 1>sometimes not. Sometimes nothing would happen. But there was one time.

900
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So I used to be so afraid of this, and

901
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I I just embraced it. I thought, I can't be

902
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.559
<v Speaker 1>afraid in my own house. I learned to sage the house,

903
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 1>laid stones, different stones in different places. I put salt everywhere.

904
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I tried to make it as safe as possible. And

905
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.440
<v Speaker 1>this one time I was feeling quite brave, and it

906
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.599
<v Speaker 1>hadn't happened for a long time, and the tapping was

907
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.920
<v Speaker 1>coming round round, and I kind of perked up, and

908
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I sat and I'd just tried to follow it with

909
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 1>my eyes, and it's coming round and round in the room,

910
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and then there's I can feel a tickle like a

911
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's maybe your crown chakra, but

912
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I felt a tingle. I don't really get it anymore.

913
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:19.440
<v Speaker 1>But I did in that house, and I had a

914
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 1>tingle on like the my crown on my head, and

915
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 1>it would tingle and I would feel like that's making

916
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 1>some sort of contact. So this one time, I was

917
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 1>just about asleep, and like I say, I'm following it

918
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:37.159
<v Speaker 1>and let it happen. And it comes and I feel

919
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 1>it tingle on my head. And whenever these things would

920
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 1>happen normally, I would cancel it out. It would stop

921
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>every time. I'm not a religious person. I am spiritual,

922
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.159
<v Speaker 1>but I don't have a religion. But I do say

923
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.599
<v Speaker 1>when things get too much, I would say, in the

924
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 1>name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave my space.

925
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 1>And I would be very firm with it. Took a

926
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 1>little while. I used to feel really silly saying it.

927
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:07.639
<v Speaker 1>I felt, you know, like I'm not religious, I shouldn't

928
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.960
<v Speaker 1>be using Jesus's name. But it's helped a lot and

929
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:15.599
<v Speaker 1>it actually works. So on this occasion, I'm about to

930
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 1>say it, and I don't remember anything else. So this

931
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 1>is all I remember in the moment. Something's happened in

932
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the middle of my head, and I'm about to tell

933
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:34.039
<v Speaker 1>it to do one well. The next day I get

934
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 1>on with my day as usual, and then I go

935
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.039
<v Speaker 1>to bed and the second my head hit the pillow,

936
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it was like a flash. I remembered everything that happened

937
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the night before, and all these details came to me,

938
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and my blood just ran called after this is what

939
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember. So I'm lying in bed, something was tapping

940
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>my head and this is the bit that I remember.

941
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 1>The next day me, I remember my mouth slurring in

942
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>slow motion, saying in the name, and I couldn't get

943
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:14.000
<v Speaker 1>it out, and I hear a voice saying, you left

944
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:19.159
<v Speaker 1>it too late that time, and it just made, like

945
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I said, my blood run cold. That was one of

946
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the scariest things that has ever happened to me, because

947
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:29.239
<v Speaker 1>who was that voice? What happened? It was almost like

948
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.159
<v Speaker 1>it put me to sleep, and then to remember it

949
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the minute my head hit my pillow the next day,

950
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't make any sense to me. But in

951
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that room I did have, I felt like things came

952
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 1>to visit me in that room. I it wouldn't be

953
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.280
<v Speaker 1>has to be maybe two three times that I felt

954
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 1>like there was something outside my window. So I lived

955
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the fields. It was stunning. I

956
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 1>had only one house next to me. That was joined

957
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.639
<v Speaker 1>onto the cottage. The rest of three sides of my

958
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:05.400
<v Speaker 1>house was a field for about a mile. It was beautiful,

959
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.760
<v Speaker 1>but it was once it was dark. It was very

960
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.480
<v Speaker 1>very dark, and you could see everything and you can

961
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:14.440
<v Speaker 1>hear everything. So I had stones all the way around

962
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the house for security. I put that there. And there's

963
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 1>at least two or three times that I heard something

964
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:26.559
<v Speaker 1>under my window that I would like into several crickets,

965
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.400
<v Speaker 1>but it was clicky. It was almost like a robotic

966
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:33.320
<v Speaker 1>sound of what a cricket might sound like. That's what

967
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like to me. And I don't know what

968
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that was. I can guess, I can take a I

969
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:43.360
<v Speaker 1>could take a guess at what it might be, but

970
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to say that out loud. That's

971
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 1>not happened again my new house where I live now,

972
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I've had a few things happen. In fact, I'll just

973
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 1>go back one one more thing that was witnessed by

974
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.679
<v Speaker 1>someone else in the house. In the old house, so

975
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.920
<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend and I we were in the bedroom and

976
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it was getting really late, so we're getting ready to

977
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:11.679
<v Speaker 1>go to bed. The lights are all dim and I'm

978
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 1>down in my wardrobe. So my bed filled up the room.

979
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I had the window on my left, and my window

980
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was always open, so I had the window on my left,

981
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:24.679
<v Speaker 1>and at the end of my bed I had roller

982
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.360
<v Speaker 1>wardrobes fitted roller wardrobes, and then the door to get

983
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.639
<v Speaker 1>out was there, and then I walked right along the

984
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.239
<v Speaker 1>left to the other side. So I had my phone

985
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:38.159
<v Speaker 1>next to the bed, and I'm down at the wardrobe

986
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and i'd keep my handbag inside the wardrobe at the bottom,

987
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:43.880
<v Speaker 1>so I'm leaning in. I'm on my hands and knees.

988
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm rumming in for something in my handbag, and I

989
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.480
<v Speaker 1>hear a phone go quite clearly in my right ear

990
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in the wardrobe, and it does. I don't know if

991
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 1>this is a knookier choin or not, but it does.

992
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 1>They really did it, and I'll never forget that. It

993
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.519
<v Speaker 1>was so so clear. And I look up to Clinton

994
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and I said, was that your phone? And he says, no,

995
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 1>my phone's over there in points beside the bed at

996
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 1>where he was sleeping on his side of the bed.

997
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And I said, well, my phone's there. Your phone's there,

998
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 1>So whose phone was that? And He's saying, I don't know,

999
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 1>do you have another phone in there? And I'm like no,

1000
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't have another phone. There's no phone there, and

1001
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.119
<v Speaker 1>that he is a non believer. He still says there

1002
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>must be an explanation for that, But I can't find

1003
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 1>an explanation for a phone going off inside my wardrobe

1004
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a phone, and I lived there for ten years approximately.

1005
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I lived there for a long time. I think I

1006
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.679
<v Speaker 1>would know if I had a nookia sitting in the

1007
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.000
<v Speaker 1>corner that would do the really did do. Anyway, that

1008
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.800
<v Speaker 1>was the last thing I think that happened there that night.

1009
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.960
<v Speaker 1>The energy. It felt so stiff in that room, even

1010
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.960
<v Speaker 1>with the window open. So at that moment, I said,

1011
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.840
<v Speaker 1>let's just go out for a drive and then we'll

1012
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 1>come back. So we left the house. I went back,

1013
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I found the energy to sage it. We gave it

1014
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a really good sage. It must have been about two

1015
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and by the time we got back, we saged it

1016
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was all good. So now I'm in this house.

1017
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.679
<v Speaker 1>I've only had a few little things. This house has

1018
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 1>really good energy. I'm in a village just outside Cooper,

1019
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 1>which is a little further afield than Kokaudi, so sort

1020
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 1>of I'm close to Saint Andrew's. So this little village

1021
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 1>is so cozy. It's lovely. The house is like an

1022
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.599
<v Speaker 1>next council send me detached three bed house. It's lovely.

1023
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think there was a guy here that lived

1024
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.079
<v Speaker 1>with his kids before me, and then before that there

1025
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was an old lady that lived here for a very

1026
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 1>long time. And I don't know if this lady's energy

1027
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.480
<v Speaker 1>is still here or not, but there's been a few

1028
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.639
<v Speaker 1>things happening in the bedroom. So Clinton and I were

1029
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.320
<v Speaker 1>sitting on the bed one night and we're chatting and drawing.

1030
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm drawing, and we're sitting on the bed and there's

1031
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.320
<v Speaker 1>this rolled up piece of paper and right in between us,

1032
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:15.360
<v Speaker 1>this piece of paper rolls like someone has just rolled

1033
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.719
<v Speaker 1>it a few inches and it tumbles over and he

1034
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>sees it, and I see it. And yet this non

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01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:26.559
<v Speaker 1>believer still thinks there's an explanation for this, but it

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01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 1>clear it looked like someone moved it with their hand

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01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 1>along the bed. I have no explanation for that, apart

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01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>from it might be this little lady. So the first

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01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that happened in this house, it wasn't long after

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01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I moved in. I was sleeping and I woke up

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01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to a lady's voice, and it was it was so kind.

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01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:50.559
<v Speaker 1>She sounds lovely, and it just went hello, you know.

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01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.639
<v Speaker 1>It picked up at the end and it was almost

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01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 1>like it was nice. It was like saying hello to

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01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 1>someone in the street or a new neighbor. It was nice.

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01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:00.880
<v Speaker 1>That was a nice one. And I think there was

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01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:07.519
<v Speaker 1>something else in this house that I attribute to that lady.

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01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was in my bedroom back Hunt actually remembered it,

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01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure I've got other little things that I'm forgetting. Wow.

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01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely fascinating.

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01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.479
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<v Speaker 2>It's time.

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01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:10.159
<v Speaker 1>It is the x x X.

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01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 2>A lot of spooky things going on in that part

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01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 2>of Scotland.

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01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there actually are. It's well worth doing a little

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01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:28.199
<v Speaker 1>bit reading about this part of the country. There's I

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01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're aware of the author, Malcolm Robinson.

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01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yeah, yeah, so he's across a bit he's

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01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.800
<v Speaker 1>over and is it Denny? I think I don't know

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01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:42.199
<v Speaker 1>if he is, but I know he has read a

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01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.520
<v Speaker 1>few of his books and he's a bit of an

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01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 1>advocate for the Is it the Denny Sighting or the

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01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Denny Triangle fall Kirk, that's it.

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01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm friends with him. Yeah, I think he is from

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01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 2>that region, if I If I remember rightly, Malcolm.

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01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Is right, Okay, okay, I actually just messaged him. I

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01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard back, but I did message him his website.

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01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember now. There was a story I heard

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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:13.600
<v Speaker 1>about a place called Sake. I don't know if you've

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01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:18.800
<v Speaker 1>heard of Soke. That may well fall under the Fokker Triangle.

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01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's just next to a place called oh dear,

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01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm forgetting the name. There's a private school in a

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01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 1>quite a posh village near Stirling. Well. The very next

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01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 1>village is Soke, which is s A. U. C. H

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01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I E. And I was watching YouTube the other day.

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01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 1>It was Halloween night and I watched this guy do

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01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you know do a piece on Soke. It's definitely something

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01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you should research.

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01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>There's a street, is that the poltergeist?

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01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, m hm yes, And it's actually affected more than

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01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.680
<v Speaker 1>one house in the street, and there's people who have

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01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I checked right move the website because you can see

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01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:09.359
<v Speaker 1>sold house prices. But more to the point for this one,

1094
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.079
<v Speaker 1>you could see the door numbers of sold houses and

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01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.199
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to figure out are they still council

1096
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:17.960
<v Speaker 1>houses or they bought houses? Because there seems to be

1097
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 1>polar geist activity right down that street. There's at least

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01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:26.399
<v Speaker 1>three houses where things have happened. And on Halloween, I

1099
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.800
<v Speaker 1>was planning to do that, but my boyfriend had to

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01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:32.000
<v Speaker 1>do night shift, so we were planning on driving to

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01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Sake just to go down that street. But I was

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01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.479
<v Speaker 1>when I was watching that, so the village Sake is

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01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:44.039
<v Speaker 1>actually means something to do with the willows. Something to

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01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:45.720
<v Speaker 1>do with the willows. You might not want to put

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01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.840
<v Speaker 1>this in any recording, Nick because there's lots of mibbies

1106
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:54.319
<v Speaker 1>and butts, and you know there's something to do with Sake.

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01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Being connected to willows and a wisp of the willow.

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01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 1>There's something to do with the name Sake that is

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01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:06.520
<v Speaker 1>connected to Willow the wisp or the wisp of the willows.

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01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.439
<v Speaker 1>And when I checked that, I gave it a Google.

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01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Now I can't remember why I did this. I'll put

1112
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:17.399
<v Speaker 1>my dots together eventually when I'm back in the rabbit hole.

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01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 1>But I've messaged Malcolm Robinson because he I think he

1114
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.920
<v Speaker 1>did a little bit on that. I think on the

1115
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.279
<v Speaker 1>YouTube thing I watched, he spoke about Malcolm Robinson's book

1116
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and the streets and other people that have lived in

1117
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.479
<v Speaker 1>that area. But there's something to do with the name

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01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Sake that means wisp of the willows. But then the

1119
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 1>word willow. If you put in wisp of the willow

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01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.840
<v Speaker 1>or willow the wisp, there's something biblical and it means

1121
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:52.119
<v Speaker 1>basically the place of the weeping spirits or the wallowing spirits.

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01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.920
<v Speaker 1>There's some sort of connection and I found a little connection,

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01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and that that's why I messaged Malcolm to ask if

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01:12:59.039 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 1>he was aware of that.

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01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:02.720
<v Speaker 2>But that's interesting now.

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01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I found it, I'll give you actual facts.

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01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.520
<v Speaker 2>That's because that's all connected to Scottish folklore. I mean,

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01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I grew up with Without the Wasp. Do you remember

1129
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the old cartoon with the Kenneth Williams used to do

1130
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:17.199
<v Speaker 2>the voice.

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01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So that's the craziest thing because when I saw that,

1132
01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I gave it a Google and then I saw the

1133
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 1>cartoon and I thought, I remember that, and I didn't

1134
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.840
<v Speaker 1>know that that was Willow the Wisp. And then to

1135
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.920
<v Speaker 1>think that that I remember watching that show because I mean,

1136
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:38.640
<v Speaker 1>early eighties things were very technology was very primitive, and

1137
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 1>that that was probably all we really had back then.

1138
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:46.760
<v Speaker 1>We had i'd say three channels on TV, I think,

1139
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and I remember watching Willow the Wisp, but until I'd

1140
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.000
<v Speaker 1>seen a clip of it on YouTube, I could not

1141
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:57.479
<v Speaker 1>remember it. I found myself watching episode after episode.

1142
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's such a we're showing our age of

1143
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:04.039
<v Speaker 2>it there. Yeah, I'd have to go back and watch that.

1144
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 2>In Donkeys' years.

1145
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's really strange because there's actually a ghost in it,

1146
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and then there's a TV that that has the power

1147
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:17.279
<v Speaker 1>to change people into different things. It is quite odd.

1148
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know the origins of Willow

1149
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the Wasp, but there's definitely something there that would be

1150
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:23.159
<v Speaker 1>worth a good you know.

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01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Research, absolutely, yeah, I know. It's old Scottish folklore. Willow

1152
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that's where it all comes from. The ghost lights.

1153
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Ah right, okay, so it's the is that the willow

1154
01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 1>or is the willow in the woods and the wasp

1155
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:39.439
<v Speaker 1>is the lights.

1156
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure willow, yeah, willow is.

1157
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:46.039
<v Speaker 1>The spirit Okay, Okay, Yeah, I.

1158
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't know where the wisp comes from, though, Yeah, I feel.

1159
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Like I needed to. It was one of those rabbit

1160
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.760
<v Speaker 1>holes where you know, you just want to dig into

1161
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>one piece of information, but you come across something else,

1162
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 1>then something else, and you're like, oh, I'm going to

1163
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:02.079
<v Speaker 1>have to backtrack about four different screens on my phone

1164
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.079
<v Speaker 1>and write stuff down and save pictures.

1165
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I tell you, if you google about folk law, not

1166
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 2>just Scotland but around the UK, I tell you there

1167
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 2>were thousands and thousands of little mini folk law stories.

1168
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:19.399
<v Speaker 2>There were so many.

1169
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.479
<v Speaker 1>I do love it. You've got all these different pockets.

1170
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I quite like going up north to m Thirso, but

1171
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:30.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just before you jump over to Orkney. It's the

1172
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:33.960
<v Speaker 1>top of Scotland. I've got kind of aspirations to live

1173
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:37.399
<v Speaker 1>up there. I have no idea why, but there's quite

1174
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:39.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot going on up there. There's quite a lot

1175
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.119
<v Speaker 1>of spooky things up there too, and there's a lot

1176
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:45.359
<v Speaker 1>of archaeological finds as well up there. And they have cairns,

1177
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, the cairns that you could walk in for

1178
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:52.479
<v Speaker 1>where they used to rest the dead. Oh yes, yes, yeah.

1179
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just checking folklore now because it actually reminds

1180
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.159
<v Speaker 1>me growing up. So I'm half Polish. My dad's family

1181
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:07.319
<v Speaker 1>are all Polish, both his parents, and growing up we

1182
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.720
<v Speaker 1>were very much in the woods. You know. We would

1183
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.520
<v Speaker 1>pick fruit, whatever berries you could find. We grew up

1184
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:19.399
<v Speaker 1>picking mushrooms. We shut our own food. We like to

1185
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:22.199
<v Speaker 1>think that we knew how to survive out in the woods,

1186
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.239
<v Speaker 1>but we always believed there was fairies. Wherever we went,

1187
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.960
<v Speaker 1>there was always fairies. And I remember being a young

1188
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.159
<v Speaker 1>kid just thinking that the fairies would do all the

1189
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:35.319
<v Speaker 1>dishes at night in the house.

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01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I love these little accounts. A lot of your accounts

1191
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.039
<v Speaker 2>have all been the one area around trying get it's

1192
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.079
<v Speaker 2>right octatool well done?

1193
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Yeah?

1195
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Or if you're saying it more Scottish, you have to

1196
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.399
<v Speaker 1>get your throat in there into your oo oct.

1197
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Two because it's it's not pronounced the way it's written.

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01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's only because the way you've been saying it, I

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01:16:57.880 --> 01:16:58.840
<v Speaker 2>probably couldn't pronounce it.

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01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wood, well it's it's spelled a uc so that

1201
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is oh really so it's oh then T E R

1202
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.399
<v Speaker 1>T O O L wonderful.

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01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I must have been when you started mentioning places. I

1204
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:14.800
<v Speaker 2>did get the Google out and had to have a

1205
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.119
<v Speaker 2>have a quick look. And a lot of it is ocean. Goody,

1206
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you got your dad's refinery which is still actually there,

1207
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:23.239
<v Speaker 2>isn't it? The shell place?

1208
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's quite a controversial spot. Actually there was a

1209
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.279
<v Speaker 1>period it must have been about four years ago now,

1210
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and where I lived. You could probably check where I lived.

1211
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:37.600
<v Speaker 1>So we lived in a white bungalow just as you

1212
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.960
<v Speaker 1>drive into the village, just up on the hill and

1213
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that would give you a good point to see the

1214
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.479
<v Speaker 1>crest of the hill where I was talking about. But

1215
01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I might just do some screenshots and send them to

1216
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:52.199
<v Speaker 1>you later. And then the last house I was living in, well,

1217
01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:56.199
<v Speaker 1>that one that was shaking four years ago. They were

1218
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>they do a flair. I don't know if you're familiar

1219
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.680
<v Speaker 1>with with them refineries, but they have a process called

1220
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>flaring when they have I think it's excess product. I'm

1221
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:10.760
<v Speaker 1>really not sure, but it was so bad the whole

1222
01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:13.720
<v Speaker 1>house and the lights were shaking. And that was in

1223
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the neighboring town. That was in all the surrounding houses.

1224
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.640
<v Speaker 1>It was an apter tool, it was, and I wasn't

1225
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.039
<v Speaker 1>an octor tool. I was a little bit out, but

1226
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 1>even our lights were shaking all through the house. It

1227
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.159
<v Speaker 1>was really unsettling because I think if that place goes,

1228
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot goes.

1229
01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, krikey. And that was a few years ago,

1230
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:35.880
<v Speaker 2>was it.

1231
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that was four years ago. Yeah, SIPA did

1232
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:44.439
<v Speaker 1>investigations and I recently read they're doing some kind of

1233
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:47.199
<v Speaker 1>compensation package for residents.

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01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that makes sense. And Quakey, you know your experience,

1235
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:55.279
<v Speaker 2>it was quite close to that refinery. Do you think

1236
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.560
<v Speaker 2>there was possibility that it could have had something maybe.

1237
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>To do with it? Yeah, it has crossed my mind. Possibly.

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01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, we hear a lot of accounts over nuclear facilities.

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01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:10.159
<v Speaker 2>We get the same kind of things over dams and

1240
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.640
<v Speaker 2>bud over refineries before, so it's quite possible. But the

1241
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 2>whole whole area around where a lot of your stories

1242
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Tonight has originated from, mostly countryside, is not really a

1243
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:22.239
<v Speaker 2>heavily populated area.

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01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>No, it's very there's a lot of agriculture out here,

1245
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:32.199
<v Speaker 1>lots of fields. So there's also there's also one that

1246
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.119
<v Speaker 1>you might be interested in, an event that actually Malcolm

1247
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Robinson wrote about. It was in Falkland, I think it was.

1248
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Actually it was Newton A, Falkland, I think. So there

1249
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.439
<v Speaker 1>was a there was apparently there was a lady in

1250
01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a car. She had another adult in the car with

1251
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:51.880
<v Speaker 1>her and they had two kids in the back and

1252
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they saw what they believed to be a UFO in

1253
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a field whilst they were driving out for coffee. They

1254
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.479
<v Speaker 1>buying coffee from like a spar or a copp or

1255
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.520
<v Speaker 1>something in the nearby village, so they popped out to

1256
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.000
<v Speaker 1>buy freeze dry coffee and they see this UFO in

1257
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the field and they saw oh, these little people, these

1258
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:17.600
<v Speaker 1>little creatures beings picking things up from the ground, and

1259
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:21.960
<v Speaker 1>taller beings sort of you know, being I don't know

1260
01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the foreman on site, not very sure, but there is

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01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:30.039
<v Speaker 1>a section in that Malcolm Robinson did and he he

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01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:34.720
<v Speaker 1>spoke to I believe he spoke to the family. And

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01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a really funny one because that kid, they had

1264
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:43.039
<v Speaker 1>very paranormal things happening in their house, very scary things.

1265
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they've disappeared and I have not been able

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01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to find the people or anything more about that. And

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01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:55.159
<v Speaker 1>that was just near Falkland, So there's a big, big

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01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>hill on Falkland. There's often you know, illegal raves and

1269
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and UFO spotters star spotters. They're up on Falkland Hill

1270
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>because it's the highest point in that area, and certainly

1271
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.159
<v Speaker 1>that it would be if there was UFOs close to

1272
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Falkland Hill. Newton of Falkland is just down the hill

1273
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit. So I don't know if there's

1274
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>any connection there, but yeah, like I like to think

1275
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:24.239
<v Speaker 1>there's more. Just people aren't talking about it, that's all.

1276
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.159
<v Speaker 1>There isn't the you know, that one universal place to

1277
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:28.479
<v Speaker 1>share this.

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01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.479
<v Speaker 2>I'll check that case out. Sure. And you said they've

1279
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.279
<v Speaker 2>completely disappeared, maybe just at the public eye.

1280
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah the people. Oh yeah, the people have gone. So

1281
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.880
<v Speaker 1>they've probably just moved house and you know, moved on

1282
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>with their life, imagine.

1283
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Okay, Well, you know, it seems that you're

1284
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.880
<v Speaker 2>quite sensitive to these things that have happened, because what

1285
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:52.399
<v Speaker 2>is your family, including your daughter when your son.

1286
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it appears that way. I think it's more

1287
01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>things happen. I accept that, whereas before you'd have a

1288
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:06.439
<v Speaker 1>couple of things happen and feel a bit like an

1289
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:10.399
<v Speaker 1>impostor you know, I'm a really really feel these things?

1290
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Is it real? Is it really happening? But the more

1291
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:18.680
<v Speaker 1>things that have happened, it's undeniable that things do happen,

1292
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.119
<v Speaker 1>and we do feel things, and I don't think of

1293
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>many I think we probably all have that ability, depending

1294
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 1>on the level of empathy you carry, to connect with

1295
01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>things that we don't understand.

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01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I get yeah, I couldn't agree more. I believe the

1297
01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:39.199
<v Speaker 2>same thing. I think we all have this. Really, if

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01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:40.720
<v Speaker 2>you listen to a lot of the accounts we have

1299
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:44.600
<v Speaker 2>on a show, just normal people have any strange experiences?

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01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's nothing normal about these things, but

1301
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>it certainly happens to normal people.

1302
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's a good putting it.

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01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to stop. I do think what's next.

1304
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:03.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's nice living in a space now with peace,

1305
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not in fear of things. So my daughter,

1306
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>she actually just had something she's been experiencing. More so,

1307
01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>she predominantly stays at her father's house. Now I live

1308
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:20.079
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere, and he's more central, so

1309
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.319
<v Speaker 1>it's beside her school. She's a sixteen year old girl.

1310
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:26.039
<v Speaker 1>She wants to be near the hustle and bustle, I guess.

1311
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>So she just recently, this was only a few months ago.

1312
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>She was sitting in her living room in her father's house.

1313
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And when they're doing their washing, so he lives in

1314
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.479
<v Speaker 1>a flat, so when they do their washing, they hang

1315
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:47.199
<v Speaker 1>clothes on hangers, you know, clothes hangers like him a

1316
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>coat hanger, and then hook them all on the curtain poll.

1317
01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.079
<v Speaker 1>They'll hang them up there and then leave the windows

1318
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>open so it drives the washing in the flat. So

1319
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Emily said she was sitting there in the living room

1320
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:06.079
<v Speaker 1>watching TV and she heard what she thought sounded like

1321
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:10.279
<v Speaker 1>someone throwing pot some pans and dishes in the kitchen,

1322
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.039
<v Speaker 1>and she knows there's nobody through there. She was alone

1323
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>in the house, so she said she sat there petrified

1324
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>until it stopped at two in the morning. So it stops,

1325
01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and then she said, she decides, oh, right, okay, I

1326
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 1>could get up and go through now. Because she was

1327
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:29.039
<v Speaker 1>afraid to go to bed, to the bathroom, to anything.

1328
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>So she finally stands up to go through and as

1329
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>she goes to get up, she said, there was five tops,

1330
01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>five shirts, five tops on this curtain pole on coat hangers.

1331
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>She said, all five of them lifted the hangers as well,

1332
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>so hangers are up lifted and all fell on the

1333
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:53.319
<v Speaker 1>floor and she ran out the room. So, yeah, that's

1334
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:54.479
<v Speaker 1>a really scary one.

1335
01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you probably want to start training there in the

1336
01:24:57.880 --> 01:24:58.560
<v Speaker 2>use of SiGe.

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01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I did, as said to her, did you use

1338
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>your sage, darling, and get your stones out, get your salt.

1339
01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So she did. She cleansed herself. She's taken care of it.

1340
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think just because she's a sixteen year old girl,

1341
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>it's that sort of age that things seem to happen,

1342
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>and she I've tried to direct them to say, you know,

1343
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.119
<v Speaker 1>it feels like you're in a situation where you're not

1344
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>in control, but you actually are, and that fear is

1345
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>making it much worse. So you just you take the

1346
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>control back and you use you know, your sage, your

1347
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever you believe. She wears a crucifix, you know, I

1348
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>use the name of Jesus. Do whatever you need to do,

1349
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>but you're in control of that. This is this physical realm,

1350
01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>this is ours and certain things aren't welcome.

1351
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, even if you're not religious. You know, I

1352
01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:55.479
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of it is believe something will work.

1353
01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I guess it's the power of

1354
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the mind, isn't it. And when I actually looking back, yeah,

1355
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to make things stop, but I didn't

1356
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:09.279
<v Speaker 1>have the tools. I didn't I didn't have the the

1357
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>ability to stop these things. But now, yeah, I have

1358
01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the control. Oh, I have a really big one. Actually,

1359
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a really big one, a really important one.

1360
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>This is this is the thing that changed me to

1361
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:25.199
<v Speaker 1>a believer. So in the house in bil Weary, so

1362
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it was it was on Reith Estate, but where we

1363
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.239
<v Speaker 1>were it was bil Weary, that's b A l W

1364
01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>E A r I E. So bill Weary Castle was

1365
01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:39.079
<v Speaker 1>in the field just off the garden and we were

1366
01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:44.439
<v Speaker 1>in Bilweary cottages. So it was in. My grandad was dying.

1367
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>So he had cancer all through. He was a He

1368
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>was a happy alcoholic till the day died. So he

1369
01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, his body was put he was on his

1370
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.239
<v Speaker 1>way out. We knew he was dying, we just didn't

1371
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:03.239
<v Speaker 1>know when. So it was always very sprightly. It was

1372
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:06.159
<v Speaker 1>chipper right to the end. It was still trying to

1373
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>sneak a cigarette and a whiskey whilst he's, you know,

1374
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>riddled with cancer. And I'm in bed. So I was

1375
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>married and my daughter Emily, she must have been about

1376
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.479
<v Speaker 1>so she was a baby. Actually she was a baby

1377
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:30.239
<v Speaker 1>when this happened, and my granddad. I had a dream.

1378
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a dream, but it wasn't a dream.

1379
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.239
<v Speaker 1>So I'm lying in bed and I feel something on

1380
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>my arm, on my right arm, and I wake up

1381
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's my die. So that's what I call my granddad.

1382
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.640
<v Speaker 1>That's like her. I don't know if it's a Scottish

1383
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:50.479
<v Speaker 1>thing or not. I think it is. It might be

1384
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.479
<v Speaker 1>a Fife thing, so it's just d I die. So

1385
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>he I felt him on my arm and then I

1386
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>look across and he's he's leaning down and he says,

1387
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:09.479
<v Speaker 1>that's me away hen And then I wake up and

1388
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I looked to the side of me and I see

1389
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:17.079
<v Speaker 1>the time and it's something like I must it was

1390
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>something like quarter past two. It was something like that.

1391
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>And then the phone goes first thing and I shout

1392
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.439
<v Speaker 1>to Mike's husband and I say, hey, wait, I need

1393
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:29.039
<v Speaker 1>to tell you something. I had this dream. If I

1394
01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>don't tell you that I had this stream and something happens,

1395
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 1>You'll never believe me. So I told him what happened.

1396
01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:38.399
<v Speaker 1>And then the phone goes and it's is barely six

1397
01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, so he is not happy. He's going,

1398
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>who's you know calling the house at this time? And

1399
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I says, no, I know what it is, and he

1400
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>puts the phone down. He says, it was your die.

1401
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>He died this morning about half to And that was

1402
01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>That was me a believer. I couldn't how could you

1403
01:28:55.800 --> 01:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>not believe that? That was my evidence. He came to say, bye,

1404
01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>that's me away Hen. Hen is an affectionate term here

1405
01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>for a female, So yeah, he said, that's me away

1406
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Hen and he looked so happy. And I didn't tell

1407
01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>anybody for weeks because I didn't want it to be

1408
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, oh, Nicholas, like, you know, it's not even cold,

1409
01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:24.359
<v Speaker 1>and she's saying, no, I've had an experience. But yeah,

1410
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.319
<v Speaker 1>that was a really big one for me. That was

1411
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that was a huge turning point.

1412
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.279
<v Speaker 2>That made you a believer. Yeah, that was really nice

1413
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:32.159
<v Speaker 2>that he came to visit.

1414
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very comforting, it was, it was lovely. It was

1415
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.199
<v Speaker 1>very very nice. I felt privileged.

1416
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's beautiful.

1417
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It was lovely. It was just I didn't expect it,

1418
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, why me, Why did you choose me

1419
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>out of all the grandkids. But yeah, I just love

1420
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it and it gives me so much comfort.

1421
01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, why not you? Obviously you know we had a

1422
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>connection with you, so I wouldn't say one last ye

1423
01:29:58.600 --> 01:29:59.399
<v Speaker 2>why Yeah?

1424
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.319
<v Speaker 1>And I think I was actually the first grandchild, so

1425
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:07.119
<v Speaker 1>it could be that I think we spent he did

1426
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>babysit me, whereas I think I may have been the

1427
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:15.119
<v Speaker 1>only grandchild that he did babysit. So there's there's that. Yeah, yeah,

1428
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>we've got these. I have a photo of us and

1429
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>you know the old black and white photo boots that

1430
01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>comes on a strip. I have one of those. If

1431
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:24.439
<v Speaker 1>I find it, I'll send you a copy.

1432
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

1433
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>There was another thing. Actually, there's one thing in the

1434
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>village that my sister believes. She was chased down the

1435
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>village by a stone, and she came home hysterical that

1436
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:43.319
<v Speaker 1>this stone would not stop following her and the doctor.

1437
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>My mum got the doctor out. He swore that that

1438
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.439
<v Speaker 1>stone followed her and chased her all the way down

1439
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the village and home and that to me sounds like

1440
01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>a bit of the Fey or folklore. Possibly. Yeah, the

1441
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>face could be the fries. Yeah, that's that's what I think.

1442
01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>With it being a stone. I never could not get

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01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:08.359
<v Speaker 1>my head around that one. Why she would be followed

1444
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>by a stone? And she said it started slowly, that

1445
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>she heard it, and then she saw behind her, and

1446
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>then she'd look again and it was behind her again.

1447
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>And then she's running and the stone's coming behind her.

1448
01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just it sounds so odd and far fetched. But

1449
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember the day she came in the house. She

1450
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was hysterical. They could not have camera down. They had

1451
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.079
<v Speaker 1>to phone the doctor. The doctor came out and said

1452
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that she was hallucinating and she had no medical issues.

1453
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>She was no just as normal as me. She had

1454
01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>her little you know, weird things happen, So that may

1455
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:47.239
<v Speaker 1>be one of her things, but it's quite a unique one.

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01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard many people, and I've pretty much dedicated

1457
01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>in so. I got quite sick about a decade ago,

1458
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:57.119
<v Speaker 1>so i spent a lot of time at home resting,

1459
01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and I've pretty much dedicated my life to this podcasts

1460
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>is actually lovely and I have never really heard of

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01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>anyone having a stone or a rock following them home.

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01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, what I'll do is, I had an email from

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01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:20.239
<v Speaker 2>a guy and he runs the Fascinating Various podcast. Okay,

1464
01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>he supposed to be coming on the show when he's

1465
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:25.239
<v Speaker 2>not not too busy to share his his fairy experiences.

1466
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:27.319
<v Speaker 2>So I'd ask him to see if he's if he's

1467
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:30.600
<v Speaker 2>heard anything similar to that. Yeah, a fee in these

1468
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>us space. But I had a random email from a

1469
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>guy several years ago now. He sent me the email.

1470
01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:39.239
<v Speaker 2>He didn't want to come on the show or anything

1471
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>like that. He was a hiker and he was hiking

1472
01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Georgia, no one around for miles,

1473
01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and he said he witnessed witness little people, several of them.

1474
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.319
<v Speaker 2>The life of me. I could not get him to

1475
01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:52.439
<v Speaker 2>come on. He was like, no, you know, no one

1476
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to believe me.

1477
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could understand his possession. That just gave

1478
01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>me goose bumps.

1479
01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Crikey.

1480
01:32:58.439 --> 01:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1481
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:02.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, some people drug to folklos stories, but they

1482
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, they originated, originate usually from something. I mean

1483
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>fair enough. You know you can put things down to

1484
01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:13.319
<v Speaker 2>superstition and not understanding something and metaphors and all that

1485
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:18.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. Yeah, but I think there's definitely something there.

1486
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, I think I don't see the term brownies

1487
01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:27.159
<v Speaker 1>is that unique to the UK or is that Scotland,

1488
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:32.359
<v Speaker 1>because we we would call things brownies. But then as well,

1489
01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the girl Guides, we have the version

1490
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.359
<v Speaker 1>for girl Guides for younger girls, and that's also called

1491
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the brownies, and you have to be like a helpful

1492
01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>person and you know, do good kind of thing. But

1493
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:50.319
<v Speaker 1>brownies are also a term for some type of elemental

1494
01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>little person thing. It could be like adobby esque.

1495
01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Thing, that's right. I think in England the little brownies

1496
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:02.479
<v Speaker 2>little brownie girls like the cookies and stuff. Right, it's

1497
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:06.479
<v Speaker 2>the same, Yeah, exactly the same. But the brownie fair is.

1498
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I believe they were house elementals if I remember.

1499
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Rightly, Okay, that will be the ones. Yeah, like the cleaners.

1500
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Cleaning up, making a mess, all kinds of mischiefs like that. Well,

1501
01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm to be honest with you. They could be beneficial

1502
01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and house. I think we could do with one of

1503
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a couple of them.

1504
01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's quite interesting. I think we could probably

1505
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.720
<v Speaker 1>talk all day about these kind of things. But I'm

1506
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:35.159
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to I'm not going to listen to the podcast,

1507
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:38.439
<v Speaker 1>but I will tell my family, I'll ask. I'm not

1508
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.279
<v Speaker 1>sure how many people listen because they kind of they

1509
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>know this is me now, but they kind of roll

1510
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>their eyes and you know, like, Okay, even my boyfriend,

1511
01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>he's such a skeptic, but he is very much you know,

1512
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>black and white, I believe it kind of thing. But

1513
01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:59.760
<v Speaker 1>he wants so badly to experience something. But when these

1514
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.439
<v Speaker 1>all things have happened, he just won't to accept it.

1515
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:06.079
<v Speaker 1>He needs, you know, he needs like whipped off his

1516
01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>feet to believe it. So I think I need to

1517
01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:11.720
<v Speaker 1>get him to some take him to those Edinburgh Dungeons

1518
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:13.159
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

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01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>You guys are in the perfect place to visit. A

1520
01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>few stately homes and a few haunted hotels. Yeah, Edinburgh, Edinburgh.

1521
01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, it's just it's just everywhere here and even

1522
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:27.439
<v Speaker 1>in our own little towns. It's like a little village

1523
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:30.439
<v Speaker 1>hall or you know, a little alley way that's just

1524
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.439
<v Speaker 1>all cobbled like that must hold something, it has to

1525
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:35.279
<v Speaker 1>hold something.

1526
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do that. Yeah, and make sure you find a

1527
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>place that's going to knock his socks off.

1528
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh, let's hope. So, Okay, it was nice talking to you.

1529
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Nick Nicola, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that.

1530
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely fascinated hear your account.

1531
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh no worries, Thank you you take care of you,

1532
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>take care too.

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01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Enjoy the rest of your day and we will speak soon. Okay,

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01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.479
<v Speaker 2>well do thank you, bye bye, take care for now.

1535
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Bye bye. Well that's all for this episode. Keep updated

1536
01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:07.119
<v Speaker 2>and connected with a show on x, Facebook and Instagram.

1537
01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:09.359
<v Speaker 2>And if you have an encounter that you'd like to

1538
01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:13.199
<v Speaker 2>share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO

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01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out

1540
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to me via the contact page on my website UFO

1541
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Nicola

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01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I

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01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and

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01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>keep watching the skies. Goodbye,