Speaker 1: Podcast join host Ho Ho as he discusses the riveting
Speaker 1: Netflix original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is broadcasting
Speaker 1: from Weapinar Saft Production Studio B. Welcome to Black Maror
Speaker 1: Podcast and as always, I'm your host ho Ho. So hoy,
Speaker 1: y'all was doing I hope you're doing good? I really do,
Speaker 1: because today we are continuing in season seven with episode
Speaker 1: two titled bet Noir. Now this was a pretty decent episode,
Speaker 1: not my favorite, but still a pretty solid episode, just
Speaker 1: with some of the topics that it was talking about
Speaker 1: and some of the things that it tackled. I did
Speaker 1: like it. I really did that ending, however, only crap
Speaker 1: that thing was powerful. That woo boy howdy that any
Speaker 1: But before we get into any of that, spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: we are going to be talking about the episode. So
Speaker 1: if you have not yet watched Bette Noir, head on
Speaker 1: over to Netflix check out that episode, and then come
Speaker 1: on back for the discussion. Let's get into it now.
Speaker 1: This episode is started off typical Black Mirror fashion. You've
Speaker 1: got Maria who is in well, she has a she's
Speaker 1: developing a new flavor of something using a type of
Speaker 1: a jam. I forget exactly what is called and she
Speaker 1: uses her boyfriend as the guinea pig. I mean, how
Speaker 1: often does that happen? Right? You know, we come up
Speaker 1: with a new creation in the kitchen, and you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta have guinea pigs to try it out, and
Speaker 1: you use your family member, whether it be spouse, whether
Speaker 1: it be boyfriend, children, who knows, but you always use something.
Speaker 1: Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever, you know,
Speaker 1: made a new creation in the kitchen and you just
Speaker 1: use somebody else as your guinea pig. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know I've been used. I've been used several times by
Speaker 1: new creations. I think it's kind of common practice. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we come to find out that Maria is in the
Speaker 1: R and D department of a food company, where, at
Speaker 1: least in this case, she brings a new twist to
Speaker 1: an old favorite, a type of candy bar. And when
Speaker 1: she's at work, it starts off with, you know, she's
Speaker 1: behind the glass with some of her colleagues. There are
Speaker 1: some people in a taste testing room about ready to
Speaker 1: taste her new creation, and in walks Verity. She's a
Speaker 1: little late to the party, but she comes in, she
Speaker 1: sits down, and we come to find out by the
Speaker 1: conversation that Maria is having it you know, back behind
Speaker 1: the glass, that her and Verity used to go to
Speaker 1: school together, that she was a bit odd and she
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a computer geek. And Verity
Speaker 1: ends up saving the taste test because nobody really likes
Speaker 1: it whenever they first take, you know, whenever they first
Speaker 1: take their little sample bite, they don't really like it.
Speaker 1: She gives another gives it another chance, and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh well, it's actually ten times better, and she gets
Speaker 1: everybody else to try it too, and lo and behold,
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of liking it. After the taste test, Marie
Speaker 1: is in the bathroom and walks Verity and they have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reunion talking about the good
Speaker 1: old days, you know, with how school was back in
Speaker 1: the day. We come to find out that, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a rumor that went around about Verity, and
Speaker 1: Verity is actually going to be interviewing for a a
Speaker 1: position there at the company, in the R and D department.
Speaker 1: Maria's like, no, I don't know of any such job opening.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, well I've seen it online and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh well, okay, my department she has the interview,
Speaker 1: she gets accepted, and Maria is she's kind of skeptical
Speaker 1: about things. She really is, and we actually come to
Speaker 1: find out through watching the episode that she's very leary
Speaker 1: a Verity because she's actually feeling kind of guilty about
Speaker 1: their past, and Maria doesn't necessarily trust her, doesn't think
Speaker 1: that Verity belongs, you know, that type of thing going on.
Speaker 1: And Maria she's talking with her boss and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you need to do a better job checking
Speaker 1: her background, and he's like, Okay, I'll look into it
Speaker 1: if it's going to make it happy. Later on at home,
Speaker 1: she's talking with her husband or I'm sorry, Maria is
Speaker 1: talking with her boyfriend, and we come to find out
Speaker 1: a little bit more about their history. Whenever they were
Speaker 1: in school. We found out that Verity it was rumored
Speaker 1: that she had a relationship with one of her teachers.
Speaker 1: We found out about her nickname, We found out a
Speaker 1: few things right, definitely some bullying was going on, and
Speaker 1: we find out that Maria definitely does not like Verity
Speaker 1: being there. She definitely does not want her working in
Speaker 1: the same department that Maria is working. Definitely does not
Speaker 1: want that at all. For whatever reason, and we really
Speaker 1: don't find out the full depth of that reason until,
Speaker 1: you know, basically towards the end and the next day.
Speaker 1: This is whenever things start getting weird. Oh wait, I
Speaker 1: forgot something. I got to backtrack a little bit because
Speaker 1: they're having a discussion and this was before things really
Speaker 1: start getting weird, right, But they're having a discussion about
Speaker 1: a chicken company called Barney's. Now Maria is convinced that
Speaker 1: it's Bernie's. She is definitely convinced of the name. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely Bernie's. B er I know it is. I
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend who used to work there. He still
Speaker 1: has the hat. I see it all the time. And
Speaker 1: they end up googling it, and lo and behold the
Speaker 1: computer Google. The search engine says Barney's bar in Ies,
Speaker 1: and it's like huh. And she goes home and she
Speaker 1: looks at the hat, and the hat at this point
Speaker 1: says Barney's, and I'm like, Okay, now I'm curious. So
Speaker 1: at this point, seventeen minutes and ten seconds into the episode,
Speaker 1: I rewind it virtually all the way to the beginning
Speaker 1: because I have to know what did this hat say?
Speaker 1: Earlier in the episode because they have this hat like
Speaker 1: sitting on the countertop virtually front and center. I mean
Speaker 1: it wasn't technically center, but it was definitely front so
Speaker 1: that this way you can see the hat. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: i gotta check this out. And it definitely said Bernie's
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and I'm like, Okay, something's going on here.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Mandela effect worse as I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and you know, Fidella effect. And they even
Speaker 1: talk about Mandela effects in this episode. You know, they
Speaker 1: talk about the the monopoly guy whether or not he
Speaker 1: had the monocle right, And I remember other different Mandela
Speaker 1: effect things. I remember the about the cornucopia that was
Speaker 1: in the Fruit of the Loom logo. I remember about
Speaker 1: various movies, one of which being a movie that Shack
Speaker 1: started called Shazam from way back in the day he
Speaker 1: was a genie. And this is a movie that is
Speaker 1: actually hard to find. I mean I remember having this
Speaker 1: movie back whenever it was on VHS, so that tells
Speaker 1: you how long ago this is. But this is something
Speaker 1: that isn't even found in Shaq's filmography. And there's been
Speaker 1: other things, different things that were spelled different ways, apostrophes
Speaker 1: that were in different places. You know, do you remember
Speaker 1: any type of Mandela effect things from things how you
Speaker 1: remember it from back in the day to how people
Speaker 1: may remember it now. Are there any particular that you remember?
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you know happened one way but
Speaker 1: nobody else seems to remember? And like with the Fruit
Speaker 1: of the Loom cornicopia, that one's interesting because even though
Speaker 1: you can find pictures and evidence that there was a cornucopia,
Speaker 1: there are people in the company that say, no, it's
Speaker 1: not like that. The cornucopia has never been in the logo,
Speaker 1: we don't know what you people are talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about gas lighting, I mean, holy crap,
Speaker 1: And they talk about that in the episode. I mean
Speaker 1: you want to talk about gaslighting? I mean, holy crap
Speaker 1: Mandela effects? Are there any that you remember from your
Speaker 1: childhood that other people just don't seem to remember the
Speaker 1: same way that you did? Now, Like I was saying before,
Speaker 1: you know, this is whenever this episode makes a turn
Speaker 1: because you know, uh, Maria gets to work and Verity
Speaker 1: is like, why are you late? You missed the meeting,
Speaker 1: and Maria is like, what meeting? There was no meeting?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: the email was sent out. It's like, oh, it must
Speaker 1: have went to my spam folder. Holy crap. And then
Speaker 1: we see Verity get this weird look on her face, right,
Speaker 1: she gets this weird look on her face, this strange expression,
Speaker 1: and she walks around, she walks around the counter. She
Speaker 1: opens up the mini fridge and she just she pulls
Speaker 1: out this this container of almond milk. She rips open
Speaker 1: the seal and just starts guzzling, you know. And I
Speaker 1: was like put off by this. I mean I really was.
Speaker 1: I was like, what in the world is going on?
Speaker 1: Because I mean just the complete shift in facial expression,
Speaker 1: in in a posture, and in everything about Verity, Like
Speaker 1: it was a change that was like that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what in the world is going on? The look on
Speaker 1: her face, everything, what she did, It was like, holy,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I mean, this was this was my
Speaker 1: your I don't want to say, your first indication that
Speaker 1: something is definitely going on here, but it was definitely off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I was thinking robot,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was thinking aliens. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I had no idea I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: it was just so strange, so out of place. It
Speaker 1: just felt weird. It felt wrong, you know. And after
Speaker 1: she gets done guzzling as much as she can of
Speaker 1: the almond milk, she drops it onto the floor. She
Speaker 1: walks back around the counter and goes and sits down
Speaker 1: in her seat, and by now everybody else shows up
Speaker 1: from the meeting, and her boss is like, why weren't
Speaker 1: you at the meeting, And Maria's like, I didn't know
Speaker 1: about the meeting. It must have went to my spam folder,
Speaker 1: you know that the email was sent out. I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. It must have went to my junk folder.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And then the gal who actually
Speaker 1: owned the almond milk comes around to the other side
Speaker 1: of the counter, sesus sitting on the ground, and was like, dude,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? Somebody took this drank it
Speaker 1: dumped it on the floor. What the heck? I bought
Speaker 1: this thing brand new today. And then Verity pipes up
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I didn't want to say anything,
Speaker 1: but it was Maria that did it. She got this
Speaker 1: weird look on her face and she just opened it
Speaker 1: up and started drinking and Maria's like, no, that is
Speaker 1: absolutely not what happened. And then their boss is like, well,
Speaker 1: we can just watch the video. There's a camera right there.
Speaker 1: We can watch the video and see exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: And so they did. And while they're watching the video,
Speaker 1: what we see y'all play on screen is not what
Speaker 1: we've just seen happen, I mean, because the story that
Speaker 1: Verity actually came up with is what we see. And
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, that's not what happened. What in the
Speaker 1: world is going on? Holy crap, this is just weird, right.
Speaker 1: And throughout all this, you know, Maria loses her job,
Speaker 1: and you know, Maria is trying to link up with
Speaker 1: wonderful old classmates, and she ends up calling the husband
Speaker 1: of Natalie, which is one of the persons one of
Speaker 1: the people that she sees in a photographs that has
Speaker 1: Verity in the background, and she's definitely wanting to touch
Speaker 1: base with Natalie to find out if Natalie had or
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, if Verity had reached out to Natalie because
Speaker 1: of their past, and she ends up calling the husband, well,
Speaker 1: she ends up calling Natalie, but it's the husband that
Speaker 1: picks up and we come to find out that Natalie
Speaker 1: actually committed suicide. It's like whoa. And Maria is prying
Speaker 1: and prying and prying, and she's getting a little belligerent
Speaker 1: with this. I mean, she's definitely very much off putting.
Speaker 1: And she basically gets told by the husband, don't call back,
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to talk to you again, hangs
Speaker 1: up on her. Maria loses her job after a blow
Speaker 1: up at work and she ends up following Verity home.
Speaker 1: And whenever she follows her home, she comes to find
Speaker 1: out that Verity is living in this nice mansion. She
Speaker 1: breaks in and she sees this computer, this server, a
Speaker 1: pretty good sized server, right, and she sneaks in. She
Speaker 1: goes upstairs, and she sees this, all this stuff that
Speaker 1: just makes no sense to Maria whatsoever. She sees Verity
Speaker 1: like on a throne. She sees Verity as a on
Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine. She sees a picture of
Speaker 1: Verity with her in a spacesuit like she was an astronaut.
Speaker 1: She sees all this stuff makes no sense whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: she was able to figure out that whatever Verity was doing,
Speaker 1: she was using this pendent in order to do it.
Speaker 1: And so the mission that Maria had in breaking in
Speaker 1: was getting this pendant. She ends up locating it, but
Speaker 1: by the time she does, Verdy had finished with her shower,
Speaker 1: because that was, you know, how she was able to
Speaker 1: get up there unseen and unheard because Verity was playing
Speaker 1: some music per duoud. Verdi gets done with the shower,
Speaker 1: Maria goes and hides under the bed. Verity shuts off
Speaker 1: the music, and Maria is freaking out hiding underneath the bed,
Speaker 1: trying to use the pendant in the same way that
Speaker 1: Verity had used the pendant, and whenever Maria hit the button,
Speaker 1: the computer made a noise that Verity understood full well
Speaker 1: what that noise means. So she gets up out of
Speaker 1: the bed and she calls out, get out from under
Speaker 1: the bed. I'll call the police. Marie comes out from
Speaker 1: under the bed, and that's where we find a bunch
Speaker 1: of things out. We find out that, you know, one,
Speaker 1: we found out that Natalie didn't just kill herself. She
Speaker 1: was pushed to it by Verity. And Verity was even
Speaker 1: bragging because it took Verity a month to push Natalie
Speaker 1: to those ends and basically was able to do the
Speaker 1: same thing to Maria in a week, So she was
Speaker 1: kind of bragging about that, and Verity had found out
Speaker 1: through Natalie that it was Maria who actually started all
Speaker 1: of the nasty rumors about Verity, and it was like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, and we found out that the rumors weren't
Speaker 1: true and that the teacher whom she was accused of
Speaker 1: having relations with was just a teacher that was nice
Speaker 1: to her, the only one that was nice to her.
Speaker 1: And she got into computers because computers just made sense,
Speaker 1: and she built this computer, quantum computer, and this quantum
Speaker 1: computer had the ability to shift her into a reality
Speaker 1: that matched exactly what she wanted that reality to be
Speaker 1: an alternate universe, if you will. And basically Verity said
Speaker 1: that it didn't matter what she did, because Maria was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just make yourself, you know, queen Emperor,
Speaker 1: and Veritie's like, Emperor the universe. Yeah, I've already done that.
Speaker 1: That was like the first thing that I did. And
Speaker 1: Verity said that it didn't matter how much she did,
Speaker 1: what she accomplished, what the universe looked like. She still
Speaker 1: had that hole because of how she was treated in school,
Speaker 1: and she basically framed Maria for breaking into well not
Speaker 1: really breaking in her home, because Maria definitely did that
Speaker 1: but framed her as a Maria tried to kill her
Speaker 1: in her own home. And this is where things went
Speaker 1: from bad to worse because Maria reaches back, grabs the
Speaker 1: gun in the officer's holster, points it at Verity, pulls
Speaker 1: the trigger. Holy crap, I did not see that coming.
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I did not see that coming. I'm
Speaker 1: us that my mouth must have dropped and hit the
Speaker 1: floor whenever that happened. I was shocked. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: holy crap, I didn't expect that at all. Did you
Speaker 1: Did you see that coming? Did you know what was
Speaker 1: going to happen? Because I absolutely did not. It was
Speaker 1: a complete shock to me. It absolutely was. She she
Speaker 1: ends up getting shot like in the shoulder, and she
Speaker 1: basically gets close to Verity's body. She makes it to
Speaker 1: where she can control the computer, and she tells the
Speaker 1: cops to oh, well, you know, she obviously killed herself.
Speaker 1: You don't need to take me into custody. These are
Speaker 1: not the George you're looking for. In fact, you want
Speaker 1: to worship me because I am Empress of the universe.
Speaker 1: Taking this thing full circle, because the first thing that
Speaker 1: Verity said that she did was make herself Emperor of
Speaker 1: the universe. And hear the first thing that Maria does
Speaker 1: is make herself Empress of the universe. Holy crap. I
Speaker 1: mean this one was Wow. It was a neat episode.
Speaker 1: It really was. I thought that was definitely interesting on it,
Speaker 1: especially with some of the topics that it that it
Speaker 1: introduced and talked about, because well, first we have the
Speaker 1: obvious and we've already touched based on this one the
Speaker 1: Mandela effect. Again, is there any Mandela effect that you
Speaker 1: remember from whenever you were younger that you remember a
Speaker 1: certain way but other people may not, or maybe just
Speaker 1: the mainstream doesn't remember it the same way that you do.
Speaker 1: Do you remember whether or not the monopoly man had
Speaker 1: a monocle? Do you remember the cornicopia in the Fruit
Speaker 1: of the Loom logo? Is there anything else that you
Speaker 1: remember differently than other people? Let me know, Send me
Speaker 1: an email hoh at thehohoshow dot com. Now, another subject
Speaker 1: that this Puppy really gets into and talks about is bullying,
Speaker 1: and it talks about the effect that it has from
Speaker 1: a victim standpoint and a perpetrator standpoint, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things like Okay. Now, bullying is
Speaker 1: something that is tackled and talked about in a lot
Speaker 1: of different series, a lot of different movies, a lot
Speaker 1: of different instances where it has done and handled handled
Speaker 1: in different ways, and this one was this one. You know,
Speaker 1: either you can be a victim of or you can
Speaker 1: rise above. And Verity definitely took this to a It
Speaker 1: changed everything about her. It defined her, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like it deaf defined her and the only
Speaker 1: way that she felt that she could get through it
Speaker 1: was through revenge. But it definitely had an impact on
Speaker 1: Maria though as well, because she lied to herself, changed
Speaker 1: her identity, changed her environment. Well not okay, she changed
Speaker 1: her own involvement in the bullying of a Verity because
Speaker 1: she convinced herself that somebody else actually did it. And
Speaker 1: it was only after being hit with the truth by
Speaker 1: Verity did she even come clean to say, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that did it. But you know what,
Speaker 1: you never heard out of Maria, you didn't hear and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I was wrong. I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, there may have been a kids will
Speaker 1: be kids kind of a thing, and there was definitely
Speaker 1: a you know, you have this supercomputer that can do
Speaker 1: an absolutely amazing thing, why don't you just change it?
Speaker 1: And that's where Verie says that I tried, and that's
Speaker 1: when she went on her mission of revenge. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had something happen to you that you know in
Speaker 1: your past that just defined you? Was it something that
Speaker 1: you wished that you could change given the opportunity, would
Speaker 1: you change something? I mean, I know there are some
Speaker 1: several instances in my past that I would love to
Speaker 1: just beat the everloving crap out of myself and just
Speaker 1: be like, straighten up, you know, definitely. I mean I
Speaker 1: know people who you know, got hurt at a very
Speaker 1: young age and they have a scar. And I know
Speaker 1: other people that has had things bad happen to them
Speaker 1: that the scar has them. You can be a victim
Speaker 1: of or you can rise above. It's a difference in mindset.
Speaker 1: How is you know? We all have tragedies that happens
Speaker 1: in our life. I mean, everybody has their own story,
Speaker 1: and everybody's story is unique to them, and one person's
Speaker 1: hell may be nothing to somebody else, but everybody has
Speaker 1: their own hell. Everybody has their own experiences that they've
Speaker 1: been through, things that they don't like things that has
Speaker 1: affected them, and Maria in how she treated Verity was
Speaker 1: no different in Verity's response to how she was treated
Speaker 1: was no different because what happened with Verity, tragic as
Speaker 1: it was, definitely showed you of what could happen on
Speaker 1: the extreme level when revenge is what consumes you. And
Speaker 1: then it gets into the whole alternate universe thing because
Speaker 1: of this supercomputer being able to shift somebody into a
Speaker 1: different reality, a reality of their own making, per se,
Speaker 1: what would you do with that one? I mean, would
Speaker 1: you make yourself empress or emperor of the universe? Holy crap?
Speaker 1: I mean that was just whoa right? I mean, somebody
Speaker 1: upon getting that type of power to actually shift the universe,
Speaker 1: to change the reality that they're in. And it's like
Speaker 1: the first thing that Maria does is the first thing
Speaker 1: that Verity does being Empress of the universe. I mean
Speaker 1: that was just that was interesting, right, because I'm remembering
Speaker 1: back to the you know, to the magazine cover to
Speaker 1: her being an astronaut, and I mean, who knows what
Speaker 1: else Verity ended up doing because she could because she
Speaker 1: had the power to do it. Interesting stuff. Given that
Speaker 1: kind of power, would you do that, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's even ignoring the possibility of there being alternate universes
Speaker 1: where you know, whatever you think may be is you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all kinds of discussions about that when
Speaker 1: I know Albert Einstein has had different theories on alternate
Speaker 1: universes and alternate realities and whatnot. So that's that's ignoring
Speaker 1: all of that. But it's the computer that has the
Speaker 1: ability to do that, a supercomputer of what do they
Speaker 1: call it? Quantum computer? Yeah, interesting stuff, interesting stuff, the
Speaker 1: ability to shift your reality. Would you do that given
Speaker 1: the opportunity, given the chance, would you shift reality? And
Speaker 1: what kind of reality would you shift into? Or would
Speaker 1: you more want to mess with time? That one's interesting.
Speaker 1: So this this episode, it was it was definitely a
Speaker 1: little on the different side, but I thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. I really did some of the topics, some
Speaker 1: of the things that had tackled, definitely getting into the
Speaker 1: Mandela effect. It definitely made me question what I had seen,
Speaker 1: what I had read throughout the episode. It definitely made
Speaker 1: me rewind and rewatch because that Mandela effect. That one
Speaker 1: threw me for a loop, it really did. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's all I got for y'alls. That is it, y'alls
Speaker 1: having yourself a great one and I will see you
Speaker 1: in the next one. Thank you for listening to the
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