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show for he is always. We're gonna be celebrating the

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victory over the TC horn Frogs. It's beautifully ugly. No

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matter how you win, a win is a win is

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a win, and a good team a great team.

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Speaker 4: Has to figure out multiple ways to win.

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Speaker 3: When guys are out, when guys are injured, when guys

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are a little bit sickly when your stars just aren't

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getting buckets. They lacked efficiency, they weren't in the groove.

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But we know that this team is a second half

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team and they were gritty. I feel like AJ deserves

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a ton credit for just how gritty and competitive he is.

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Sustained a right shoulder injury in this game, and you

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know that can be pretty devastating. Somehow found a way

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to push through that, didn't even pull himself out of

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the game. So I like this team a lot, and

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the rest last night. Maybe it was the fact that

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that that by you just couldn't buy a bucket. They did,

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they didn't shoot the ball all that efficiently, but they

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somehow found a way to win. So you gotta celebrate that.

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We're gonna delve into all the knicks and credits, all

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the news and notes coming out of Brigham regarding this

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particular game, this particular victory. Always recruiting news and notes

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coming out of the transfer portal and the acquisitions and.

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Speaker 4: Attrition that we're experiencing.

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Behind the Glass up in Salt Lake City. It was

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down at the BYU basketball game and covering fish gritty,

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beautifully ugly win over the TC horn frogt Let's welcome

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in Ronald the three man weaver to the show was up, Ronnie.

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Speaker 5: Ben, how are we doing it? I was, I was

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live president down there at the Marriott Centers nine pm.

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Timpball Lake Timpoff got the bedleid. That's just how it

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is when you work in the field of sports. But

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it was a great opportunity for by to pick up

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a gut check win. Per Kevin Young in the post game. Look, Ben,

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six defensive team in the Big twelve. So I want

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to give the horn Frogs credit. They made that tough

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for BYU. It wasn't just BYU struggles. They did some

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good things last night. But that's good to get tested

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because I think their biggest test is gonna come on Saturday.

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Is now they turn their attention to Texas Tech. They

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haven't beaten them since they've been in this conference. But

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people under the weather being down a body or two.

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Speaker 4: I love the breakdown.

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Speaker 3: Let's also welcome in Hammertime show Brett always bringing the

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Speaker 4: How you feel about them? Koog's right now.

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Speaker 6: Look, I love Kevin Young, I love aj De Bonsa,

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I love BOU basketball. I don't love nine o'clock tips.

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I'm I'm just being real with the people. And look,

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I'll stay up to do it. I'll stay up to

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put out the content that the people want. But I'll

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bed yesterday and it felt like the longest day ever,

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for the game to start, and it doesn't start until nine.

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think it was Texas Vanderbilt, right or even though somehow

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Vanderbilt jumped to BEOU in the polls, just for Vanderbilt

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to loose to unranked Texas A different story for a

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different segment. But uh yeah, when that thing was over,

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Speaker 7: And obviously I'm putting out content. Ron's putting out content.

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Speaker 6: We're all still working So I love BOU basketball, don't love.

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Speaker 7: Nine o'clock tips.

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Speaker 6: But you know what, if it means that by you

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Speaker 3: What were you most frustrated with last night during the

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bo U TCU game? Was it the first half inefficiencies?

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Speaker 4: With it? Something else? That is what got your goat?

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Speaker 3: What got your te o't what's got you in a

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Speaker 6: I honestly didn't feel like the officiating was atrocious.

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Speaker 7: I honestly thought it was worse in the Utah game.

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Speaker 6: But if you do it quantitatively, you had guys closer

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to fouling out in the game against TCU than you

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did in the game against Utah. And I think, like connotatively,

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it's just like it looks worse in the Utah game.

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Speaker 7: A because it's the rivalry game. B because Tony Padilla.

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Speaker 6: So I I mean it was unfortunate that Keba and

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five minutes, and the fact that neither one of them

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people were upset with the

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showed up at the end. I don't think last night

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Speaker 3: Ronald the three man Weaver, what were you most frustrated

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Speaker 4: And why?

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the games. I did get frustrated at a moment with

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the officiating, like the stretch, because to me, basketball is

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a game of momentum. It killed the momentum for BAU

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at times, but it wasn't the whole thing. So if

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saying some things and said I didn't like this stretch

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of officiating, not as a whole. You know why, because

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the numbers back it up. When you shoot twenty nine

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free throws, you can't really say the officials were a problem.

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player execution and in coaching staff because at some point,

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basketball player, But when the entire roster has assists, fouls

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the stretch, but that was I think what was more frustrating,

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when they needed to, and then the second half coaches

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schematically needing to attack certain players. I don't think the

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officials had anything to do with it. I felt by

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you just put themselves in bad situations and officials aren't

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going to help you out. But when you shoot twenty

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nine free throws, that's not officiating in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: Thank goodness BYU.

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Speaker 3: You can find a way to win when you are

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out shot out efficiencied if that's even a word. I mean,

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they really like you didn't win this game. From a

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shooting standpoint, I guess you can say the twenty nine

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That was wonderful. It is hard to blame Zebras right

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Speaker 7: I don't feel like calls went in favor of one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: To me, I like, I think the most frustrating thing,

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like it's and it's not the favorite in my poll.

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To me, it's just like when are we going to

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figure out how to play a first half?

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Speaker 4: Like to me, it's like.

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Speaker 3: We are down or or tied during are these first

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half runs all season long?

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Speaker 4: And I really can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of any time where I came away

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from a first half and like, man, we are dialed today,

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we are we are thriving today, we are game plans

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working out in the first half. Imagine what this BYU

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basketball team could be if we put two halves together.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Refs are gonna ref and sometimes shots will fall, sometimes

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they won't.

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Speaker 4: You got plenty of looks that you liked.

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Speaker 3: I just would like to see a little bit more

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efficiency in the in the first half.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: I would love to see it. That's what I'm most

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frustrated by. But guys, we're gonna delve into this. We'll

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the game, what he took away from it. Check out

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Speaker 4: The Todd King he struggled in the first half.

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Speaker 3: You know, he he struggled a lot in the first half,

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hundred zero eight eight five. All right, So what happened

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in this BYU men's basketball game? Well, number eleven basketball

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was led by aj Debonsis twenty five points as they

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took down TCU seventy six to seventy on Winston Night

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at the Marias Center.

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Speaker 4: After trailing thirty six to thirty at the break.

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Speaker 3: BYU several dominant second half runs and a thirteen second

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chance thirteen second chance points to secure a six point victory.

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Speaker 4: Offensive rebounding has been a boon.

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Speaker 3: For BYU in these beautifully ugly games where you're trying

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to figure out creative ways to win, and second half

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point or second chance points have been I think one

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of the biggest benefit benefits of this b YU men's

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basketball team. De Bonsa finished with twenty five points, as

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I mentioned, seventeen from the second half, so second half

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team continues to be the theme for this Cougar basketball team.

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Along with six rebounds one assists, the freshman also went

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seven to seven from the free throw line.

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Speaker 4: That's that's nice to be perfect from the line.

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, ba as a team was at about

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eighty percent shooting at an eighty percent clip from the

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charity stripe. His twenty five points move him past Devin

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Durant and Eric Mika to the number nine overall spot

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on the freshman all time scoring list for BYU men's basketball.

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Does he become the number one all time freshman score

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It seems like it's trending that way. He's gonna have

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to continue to produce, but it seems like it's trending

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that way. Richie Saunders went nine of eleven from the

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charity stripe, totaling eighteen point, six rebounds and one assists.

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Robert rob Right third added fifteen points and six rebounds

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as well as six assists. Keviketa contributed ten rebounds, seven points,

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three blocks to assists in one steal. And then Mihailo

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Boskovic and Hadim Boop combined for twelve rebounds off the bench.

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While baout rebound at TCHU fifty one to thirty six

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and outstole them five to three. The horn Frogs outshot

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the Kougs forty one to thirty five percent and out

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assisted sixteen to eleven. Let's get the commentary from Ky

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postgame and get into this. Richie got his fourth foul

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early in the second half. Then Aj scored seventeen points

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in eight minutes. Was anything said to him to inspire him?

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Speaker 4: What was that like? Watching him take over the game?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Now means a gut check type win for our group.

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You know, it felt like anything that could go wrong

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would go wrong. I felt like our whole team at

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four fouls, dot AJ was going to die out there,

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and they just found a way to.

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Speaker 9: Make place.

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Speaker 10: You know, he's obviously a great player. You know, we

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needed him, and he stepped up. And then Richie, you know,

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not being his night, hits that huge three also got

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a couple Richie style offensive rebounds that helped.

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Speaker 3: So Richie always is on the glass man, That's why

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you keep him on the floor. That plus mind is

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always in the plus with Richie, even when he's not

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hitting shots from the outside. So one thing I was

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talking to a number of individuals today about AJ.

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Speaker 4: I feel like.

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Speaker 3: The best quality of AJ is not necessarily his his length,

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his athleticism, his skill set, his polished scoring ability, all

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that matters, Like all of that matters. The clay is amazing,

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the amount of work that he's put in his meeting.

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Speaker 4: Like not everyone is competitive, guys.

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Speaker 3: There's two types of competitors too, those that like to

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win and those that hate to lose. AJ hates to lose.

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Most of us just like to win. Let's be honest.

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We just like to win.

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Speaker 4: It's fun to win.

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Speaker 3: It's fun to do things that we're good at, and

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we like to win. It's fun, not everybody. Very few

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people hate of whore cannot live with losses. It keeps

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them up at night, it makes them angry. They're not

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fun to be around. Like they're special humans and they

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hate to lose mentality. It works in sports, it doesn't

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always work in like business, because you have to create synergies.

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Whether you're in the corporate America or entrepreneur like, you

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have to create synergies. And even when you lose, stay

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positive rights, stay positive, stay positives, stay positive, keep everyone

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bought in, body in. But like dude, AJ hates to lose,

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suffers the shoulder injury, doesn't want to take himself out.

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Speaker 4: I think that's his best quality. I really do.

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Speaker 3: So when we're talking about Darren Peterson versus AJ to Bonsa,

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I'm looking at who's injured and who has grit, competitive fire,

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and who's willing to go out there and play this

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fight injury and find a way to win, find a

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way to take over the game. That's why I think

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AJ's the best player in this next year's NBA draft.

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And everyone's gonna say, well, what about the efficiency, what

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about plus and minus? What about Darren Peterson? Darren Peters's

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such a score he looks like he's at eighty percent.

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Everyone's at one hundred percent. He can just get anywhere

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on the floor and score at will, all those things,

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and I'm like, look to me the competitive fire of AJ.

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Speaker 4: Trump's Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 3: If I'm an organization in the National Basketball Association, if

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I got the number one overall pick, I'm taking AJ

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because of the work ethic, but also because of the

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gritty competitive Mamba MJ mentality. I see what I saw

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in Kobe and MJ in AJ.

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Speaker 4: That's what I see. I'm seeing the competitive mindset.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm seeing the due diligence to put in the

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work necessary.

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Speaker 4: Like Lebron has superb work ethic, but he's not a killer.

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Speaker 3: Lebron is one of the greatest, if not the most

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physically gifted basketball players ever to play the game.

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Speaker 4: No one's gonna he's from a skill set.

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Speaker 3: Athletics say he's like a combo of like Shack, and

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he's a combo of KG and Kobe and Magic Johnson.

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His ability to destrip at the basketball like he's a freak,

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but he's not a killer.

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Speaker 4: He's a flopper.

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Speaker 3: He's weak, like he doesn't like the physicality of the

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game necessary because he's always been the biggest. Anyway, I

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see a special thing in AJ and that needs to

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be celebrated.

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Speaker 4: Let's get back to it.

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Speaker 3: Ky rebounding seemed to be a bigger difference in the

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second half. Was that a conservative effort or a message

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at halftime?

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Speaker 9: Now, it's been a message.

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Speaker 10: Since I got here a year and a half ago,

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and it's been a constant message in the last week.

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You know, Mike Tomlin, who I have a lot of

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respect for, said something after their playoff loss the other day,

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and obviously just step down. But I love guys like

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him because they say, how it is, you either do

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or you don't.

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Speaker 9: Was his message, either do or you don't.

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Speaker 10: There's people that do in life, they are successful, and

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the people that don't aren't.

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Speaker 9: And so, like, I don't really.

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Speaker 10: Go philosophical too much on you guys, but like, that

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really struck me. And so I'm getting tired with really

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getting tired of talking about any followed up by saying

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there's too much talking in our business, and so I'm

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getting tired of talking about rebounding. Usually, you know, defensively

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we talk about it, but offensive we talk about a nauseum.

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And so tonight we had twenty one offensive rebounds. You know,

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that's how you sustain shooting thirty five percent from the field.

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Speaker 9: You know, we had.

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Speaker 10: Plus seven on field goal attempts, plus eleven on free

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throw attempts.

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Speaker 9: You know, that's how you're able to stay in a

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night like that.

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Speaker 10: Where not every night's going to be your night on

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the offensive end. So you got to find different ways,

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you know, to win the ball game. And I thought

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our guys, I told them they should have confidence because

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we can win a lot of different ways. And you know,

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that's a tough team. Coach Dixon is a great coach

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and hit. They just play really hard, and so that

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was a dog fight.

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Speaker 11: Man.

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Speaker 10: I'm just proud of the guys for pulling it out

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because of the rebound.

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a couple of things I want to

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take away here. All you Star Wars fans are just

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loving that do or or not there is no try,

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either you do or you don't. You know that brings

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true obviously to everyone in the that it's played sports.

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You got to get it done and and be way

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You've haund a way to get it done. Awesome, you know,

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towards the end is I was kind of listening to

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you know, Khy close out those comments. It just made

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me think about, you know, this collective team and this

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culture that he's built and who he's attracted strategically with personalities,

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guys that want to buy in and do the dirty work.

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And that's special in the transfer portal era, that's not

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an easy thing to do. Why because when you when

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you include so much money and prestige, and everybody wants

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like to be featured and wants to be highlighted.

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Speaker 4: Ego Ego.

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Speaker 3: Ego is at the forefront of a lot of these

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acquisitions via the portal. It's hard to find buying just

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is and culture is winning out too on this basketball team.

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Speaker 4: So I love that.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to number three, coach. You guys go down

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nine in the second half. Was there a definitive moment

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where the momentum shifted back in your favor?

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Speaker 10: I have to I'm have to watch the film to

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really give you a great answer on that. So I

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don't know definitive, but I thought, you know, the execution

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of that full court play where Rob got all the way,

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I got fouled right before halftime. I thought that was

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big to give us a little bit of momentum, cut

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the lead a little bit. So I'd probably say that

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for me without watching the tape.

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Speaker 4: Without watching the tape, that's what he said.

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Speaker 3: Guys, your thoughts, your commentary, anything stand out to you,

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Ronald the three man weaver than Brett.

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Speaker 4: And then I'll bring up the caboos.

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Speaker 5: I really don't know if there was a defining moment.

473
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,839
I just thought, to me, Ben, this is very simple,

474
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,319
like having played in a college game before, I don't

475
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,640
know where a thing shift that. Yes, you can say

476
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,319
the Rob thing at the end, and to be honest

477
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,759
to talk about that play, it look like Rob got

478
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:43,680
rolled up on two because he was limping, and I

479
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,000
was like, you can't have Rob or I get hurt.

480
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,960
You really just can't have that. But to me, no,

481
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,440
I just thought, if anything, it was just I think

482
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,000
it was AJ's mentality of like you said, I'm not

483
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,200
gonna lose this game, and I think sometimes look mentality,

484
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,920
people can say what they want. There's trash talking and sport.

485
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,200
There is a guy that's better than you, but there's

486
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,480
a guy that is like give me the dang ball.

487
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,720
I'll say that because their kids listening to this program

488
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,279
and get the you know what out my way and

489
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:09,720
I'm gonna go to work. And I felt like AJ

490
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,359
did that. I mean, if he doesn't score been seventeen

491
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480
of twenty five points in the first half in an

492
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,680
eight minute stretch, he doesn't do that, they don't win

493
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,279
that game. I mean, you could talk about the free

494
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:19,920
throws they left, you could talk about Richie getting in

495
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,119
foul trouble. I don't feel like there was a defining

496
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,480
moment because even with the officiating being up and down,

497
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,200
I felt like BYU just say, you know what, We're

498
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,720
gonna play our game. We're gonna rebound, we're gonna block shots,

499
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,839
we're gonna have a mentality of like, we're not letting

500
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,680
you beat us. And sometimes as that does carry you

501
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,079
because this team is already talented enough. So as I

502
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,799
really think about that question, I was really trying to

503
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,279
give you a best answer. I don't think it was

504
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,759
anything in particular. I just thought it was their will

505
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,880
of we're not losing the TCU and AJ's ability to

506
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,440
be like I'm gonna put the ball in the basket

507
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,079
and I dare somebody to stop me, and you could

508
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,200
argue that AJ had his flu game type moment.

509
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, as a media member, we're all trying

510
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,960
to figure out, Okay, what did you say?

511
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,759
Speaker 4: Coach? Who said what? Who inspired?

512
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,279
Speaker 5: Nothing?

513
00:24:59,319 --> 00:24:59,599
Speaker 12: Really?

514
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,839
Speaker 4: What was the definitive moment? Brett? Did you see something.

515
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 6: When you first ask what shifted momentum in this game?

516
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,039
The first thing that comes to mind, and I'm not

517
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,359
even being sarcastic or facetious, but four minutes and thirty

518
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,079
four seconds left to go in the game, you know

519
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,759
what happened? That whole stadium got chicken because that dude

520
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:23,599
missed two free throws in a row. And I think

521
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,279
there was an energy that just shifted just a little

522
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,039
bit because it was tied I think sixty three all

523
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,599
at that point, it was a wash. You had Richie

524
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160
and Keba both playing with four fouls. It was basically

525
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,799
who wanted it more. At that point, the whole game

526
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,440
didn't matter who's gonna win the final four and a

527
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,240
half minutes. When he missed both those free throws, I

528
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,000
think TCU felt like they lost the little momentum. I

529
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,880
think the building gained a ton of momentum, and I

530
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,759
think BYU fed off of that.

531
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,599
Speaker 7: The rest of the way.

532
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 6: I think the final three minutes of the game, I

533
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,480
want to say they only missed BOI only missed one.

534
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 7: Shot, so they really didn't. They just didn't make a

535
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,240
whole lot of mistakes.

536
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,519
Speaker 6: I think down the stretch and you saw TCU miss

537
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,400
a couple of bad shots, turned the ball over at

538
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,640
the end of the day. I think it was energy

539
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,319
and who wanted it more, which kind of goes back

540
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,759
to what Kevin Young was talking about with the Mike

541
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:18,960
Tomlin and the rebounding. Like I think it was just

542
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,200
a mentality thing. When the energy shifted at four thirty

543
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,759
four left to go in the game, I like.

544
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:28,519
Speaker 3: That take a lot, and you know it's uh, there

545
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,039
were plenty, plenty of ebbs and flows in this game.

546
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:35,119
There's there was a lot of competition back and forth

547
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:41,200
throughout it all. And uh sometimes chicken, it's delicious. Who

548
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,480
doesn't like chicken. I love chicken, You love chicken.

549
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: We all have chicken. That gets everyone hiked.

550
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,279
Speaker 3: All right, guys, A couple of last things before khy

551
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,920
Let's just go here.

552
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: Did you say anything to aj at halftime by chance? As?

553
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: Uh?

554
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 4: Was that just him realizing he was needed at the moment.

555
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 10: I think it was just AJ realizing what's needed. You know,

556
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,720
he's I don't have to say a whole lot to AJ.

557
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,400
You know, AJ's a great player. Even on an off night.

558
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,279
The guy still looks like an all world guy, generational

559
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:12,240
type guy, even when he's sick. He threw me off

560
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:16,799
with the long sleeves. I'll be honest, that threw me off.

561
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:18,720
So I was like, li, boy, I don't like when

562
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,279
guys just do random stuff like that. I'm very I'm

563
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,000
so routine driven. I was like, what's happening right now.

564
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,599
Speaker 9: With the sleeves. But you know, he's a tough minded kid.

565
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,519
Speaker 10: Hedn't really say a whole lot to anyone about him

566
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,880
not feeling great, So you know, he just got in

567
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,240
that mode that great players able to get into.

568
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: So once again, this leans into what I went off

569
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,880
on in that first segment of like this competitive mindset,

570
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,359
no complaints, no female caneining. You just go out and

571
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,319
get it done, and you go out and win. You

572
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,279
hate losing, so you go out and find a way

573
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:52,640
to win. AJ, by the way, had zero points with

574
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359
the long sleeve on. He had zero points with the

575
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200
long sleeve on. Boy had missed five straight going into

576
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,559
that break. When they came out of that break, Aga

577
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,160
had taken the shirt off and that's when he scored

578
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,200
his first buckets to the night.

579
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do think it's like, yeah, that's exactly what

580
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:08,359
it is.

581
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 6: However, when Ky says that, I do want to push

582
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,319
back a little bit because keep the same energy the

583
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,759
whole time, K why you didn't really have anything to say.

584
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,759
Speaker 7: AJ wore a headband for what like the first five

585
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:19,839
games of the season. We've seen a headband.

586
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 6: Since I don't think so so, so I was a

587
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:23,079
little curious about why.

588
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 7: Did he stop wearing the headband.

589
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,079
Speaker 6: We Spencer Linton said pregame the reason AJ was wearing

590
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:30,799
the shirt was because he was feeling under the weather.

591
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,279
And I don't I don't know the psyche there, but

592
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,319
that was the correlation there.

593
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,079
Speaker 4: But I don't want to say clearly, but.

594
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 6: All I'll say is BIOI was not playing well while

595
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,079
he had the shirt on. I think it was maybe

596
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,400
a little bit of a psychology a mentality thing where

597
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,400
he's like, you know what, I don't do this every game.

598
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,119
Let me just do what I do every game, even

599
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,359
though I don't feel how I feel every game. Maybe

600
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,799
I'll talk my body into it, and clearly he did

601
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:54,720
because he popped off.

602
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and look.

603
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,599
Speaker 3: Just aj don't wear your signature shoe ever again, that's

604
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,799
just don't wear that shoe and no more.

605
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 6: Where we haven't seen him wear it since that game. Yeah, Ronnie,

606
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:10,720
any thoughts there.

607
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny about just the superstition.

608
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,559
That's I'm not figuring. Oh boy, no, take that off.

609
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,359
And there's another question coming up next. I will discuss

610
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,519
a little bit more about that. But Brett and now

611
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,279
we're talking a few weeks ago about this, and Kevin

612
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,880
Young is very superstitious. He only like wears the Janowskis

613
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
when he coaches, doesn't wear any other black Janowski so

614
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,279
he is very much that way. I think even wears

615
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,079
the same black joggers like he is. He is a

616
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,279
very routine guy. Kevin Young is meaning it, so if

617
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,799
he sees that, he doesn't I even joke, which hopefully

618
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,000
we can get you later. Richie Saunders in the post

619
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,200
game at the end of it, I don't know if

620
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,279
if it was cut out, I was like, never, uh,

621
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,680
never show up to a game without a headband, Richie,

622
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:51,799
And he just chuckled and shook his head. But that's

623
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,200
the thing. Kevin Young doesn't like you getting outside you

624
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,119
know what you're doing. But I agree with Brett. He

625
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,240
did wear a headband, so I don't know if that's interesting.

626
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,759
Speaker 3: Was it a j's choice to take the long sleeves off?

627
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: Then?

628
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,559
Speaker 10: Like again, the sleeves threw me off. And that's why

629
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,359
I hate stuff like that. You do you either wear

630
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,319
or you don't wear it. Okay, right, And so I'm

631
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:16,519
gonna have to do a quick story.

632
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,279
Speaker 9: I know it's midnight and everyone wants to leave, but

633
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:19,000
since we're here.

634
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 10: Dating back to my high school days, shout out to

635
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,880
Brian Flanging and my teammate got a chipped front tooth,

636
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,279
hadn't worn a mouthpiece the whole season, shows up to

637
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,880
the state tournament wearing a mouthpiece, and my coach is.

638
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,839
Speaker 9: Like, planning it. Your too's already chipped.

639
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,839
Speaker 10: So that's how I feel about that.

640
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,119
Speaker 3: Close a couple last things.

641
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 4: We'll try to wrap it up.

642
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,599
Speaker 3: Going into the game, you wanted to see your team

643
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,880
attack their defense. How do you feel like the execution

644
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,960
went in the second half?

645
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I thought good.

646
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 10: You know the stuff that we spent a lot of

647
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,799
time on I thought paid dividends. I thought the execution

648
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,000
was was good, was impressive with our Rob for the

649
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,200
most part, was very surgical against their aggressive defense. You know,

650
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,079
I'm sure you wish he could have that pass back

651
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,480
he through the Caba in full court, but that wasn't

652
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,599
a coverage base thing. So I thought our guys handled

653
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:11,119
it well.

654
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,079
Speaker 3: On that note, was it What was it about Rob

655
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,559
where he knew he needed to score in the first half,

656
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,759
Then in the second half he had six assistants.

657
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: Was just distributing like a mad man.

658
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,599
Speaker 10: No, it's a great point, you know, Like and even

659
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,480
the coaches were like, hey man, it's not AJ's night.

660
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 9: We need Rob to get going. And he was in

661
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:27,960
the first half.

662
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,119
Speaker 10: And then when AJ, you know, got into his mode,

663
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,240
Rob kind of started to facilitate a little bit more.

664
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 9: And so I say it a lot.

665
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,119
Speaker 10: But you know, like particularly and I would actually throw

666
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Caba in there too. You know, we got a lot

667
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,680
of you know, Richie, AJ, Rob get a lot of

668
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,480
attention for a good reason.

669
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 9: But they're just very smart. They're smart players.

670
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 10: They know how to play the game, they know how

671
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,559
to play together, and I think every night they're kind

672
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:52,720
of growing their chemistry.

673
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: Finally, how do you feel like, uh, how do you

674
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,880
feel like reverse did Reverse did stepping up with the Sorry,

675
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,240
I don't know if it's just like reverse did stepping

676
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,720
up with Beato being out of the lineup.

677
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 9: Yeah.

678
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 10: Now, I thought they were tremendous. We don't win that

679
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,720
game without me high and hadim.

680
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,359
Speaker 9: You know, I just you know, what was it? They

681
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:16,880
for one?

682
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,319
Speaker 10: They combined for you know, twelve rebounds, you know, nine

683
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,640
points and a block. So I thought their activity was good.

684
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,319
I thought I thought Hadeen was really good. You know,

685
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:29,480
the guy can't rebound. Man, he's got a nose for

686
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:29,920
the ball.

687
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 7: You know.

688
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 10: Me I hit the big three when we were kind

689
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,279
of struggling, So it was great. It was really good

690
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,440
to see guys coming off the bench and be able

691
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,599
to give us a lift.

692
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 9: Everyone go home and get some sweep thank you.

693
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I k nodded off a few times

694
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,480
in the game. I had to, you know, shake myself

695
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,880
a little bit. Some people were frustrated with an IPM tip,

696
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,000
I hopefully we don't have any more.

697
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,119
Speaker 5: Nope, you're wrong, because I knew you were going to

698
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,759
go there, so I was already prepared to step on.

699
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,839
There's going to be two more laid tip offs that

700
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:03,680
I'm going to be dealing with Saturday, February seventh against

701
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,039
Houston eight thirty pm, and then nine pm against UCF

702
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,559
February twenty fourth to Tuesday. That's gonna be a tough

703
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:10,920
one too.

704
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,759
Speaker 3: Well, how much does it cost to get in that

705
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,759
five on five game with you know, all of the

706
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,519
big wigs of what you ask I.

707
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: Don't want any problems with coach Kamard What is it?

708
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,359
Ryan Smith, Bissant. I am good. I will I will

709
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happily observe if they decide to play again, but I don't.

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I probably couldn't afford ben.

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Speaker 6: I will keep at the Marriott Center because they're like,

712
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oh I got to be at basketball.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's normally a Thursday morning crew. Lee Comarda addressed

714
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the media earlier today for women's baskets, say normally has

715
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some morning group, but they just sail with all the

716
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schedules and everything coming back of hey, let's just play.

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00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,640
You know, right after so b Someon was delok. I

718
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saw how Biston played, and anybody that doubted I see

719
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why he's passionate. He can get bucket. Steven still at

720
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at fifty he divulce. That's not me knowing. But yeah,

721
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,319
they were going at it. If you check some social

722
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media for some media members, they were posting it. But

723
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there were some buckets, celestial buckets happening last night after

724
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after the game.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, bad just likes to sit in

726
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that corner three spot right oh oh.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, he wasn't just doing that. He

728
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was doing it all because he had a crowd. He

729
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,079
was like Steph Curry ended the game on like a

730
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dirt Novinsky like step back, and he was like.

731
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Speaker 9: He was talking.

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Speaker 5: He's like, Ron, I need you, I need to celebrate

733
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with me. So I dabbed him like he was doing everything.

734
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,360
He was driving to the basket, getting and ones doing

735
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,119
other stuff. He was, look, Besot's a competitor. It was

736
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,800
good to see that. You love to see people out

737
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480
of their element because sometimes you just think older the

738
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athletic director. But no, it was nice to see that

739
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he was. He likes to play basketball, and the coaches

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and these other guys like to see Ryan Smith shooting

741
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,679
his his family and friends. Look, these guys are normal

742
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people than the day just because they have a job

743
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doesn't take away. So it was a lot of chirping

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from everybody. It was a very fun environment last night

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to watch, so if you stayed around, you were entertained.

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Speaker 13: Updates starting off in the rafters by you announced it

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on Valentine's Day, February fourteenth against Colorado. They will be

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retiring the number thirty two to honor the career of

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Hutchins and Danny Ayne Fordett still hold the record for

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most points in a single season with one thousand and

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sixty eight in an average of twenty nine point eight

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points per game.

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Speaker 4: On the actual court, the Kubes were able.

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Speaker 13: To slide by TCU, and what was a slow start

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for by down six at halftime, aj De Bonsa turned

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his game up to an eleven took the horn Frog

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to town. Although he was feeling under the weather, finished

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with twenty five points and six rebounds of what many

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on social media are calling his flu game. Those twenty

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five points as a new conference play high for Aja,

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topping the twenty four he scored against Kansas State. The

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final score from that game was seventy six to seventy.

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Elsewhere around college basketball, number ten Vanderbilt felt the Texas yesterday,

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leaving room for BYU to slide back into the top

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ten with a win on Saturday. Going over to the NBA,

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Yegor Joeman continues to launch from deep, and he continues

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to make them. He added another five to three pointers tonight,

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totaling seventeen points in the NETS loss to the Pelicans.

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Speaker 4: With yeg Are hitting those multiple threes.

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Speaker 13: He has now tied the NETS rookie record for most

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consecutive games with multiple three pointers. He also set a

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rookie record for most games with four plus three pointers

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Last night was they were getting fouled and get to

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the free throw line and collectively the team had twenty

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nine attempts. So the refs at least we're calling. I

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know you guys didn't like the refs last night. BUA

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the question what we were most frustrated by last night

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in the ba U TCU game the Zebras the refs

817
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,360
coming in at fifty four point three percent. I picked

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00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,519
first half inefficiencies that have continued throughout the long and

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00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,480
ardor was colleagues basketball season for the Cougars nine pm

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tip off also coming in at twenty two point nine

821
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and so but Billy fans are not like the refs,

822
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,119
but look twenty nine attempts from the charity stripe, don't

823
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:11,920
stand so close to me than opponent, because the refs

824
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,880
were at least getting something right by allowing AJ and

825
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,960
the crew to get to the charity stripe, which begs

826
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,679
the question right now, okay, one of the things that

827
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,840
we've been debating for it seems like a year. You know,

828
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
last year we were talking about who the best overall

829
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,559
recruit was in the two thousand twenty six basketball class.

830
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,199
Twenty twenty five basketball class, it was aj to Bonso

831
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,840
or Darren Peterson. Once again, we're having the discussion Agent

832
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,239
de Bonsa versus Darren Peterson to become the first overall

833
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:48,280
draft pick in this next year's NBA draft, and everyone's

834
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,480
chiming in on it. I want to play a sound

835
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440
by Ronnie I sent it to you last night. I

836
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,960
have people saying that there's no offens or buts about it,

837
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:03,039
that Darren Peterson, when healthy, is the best player in

838
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:04,679
the country by a mile.

839
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: Yes, his stats are nice.

840
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Twenty one point eight points per game, four point eight

841
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,760
rebounds per game. The Kansas product right now is looking

842
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,760
good when he's actually playing two assists, one block per game,

843
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,559
one point one steals per game, forty six point seven

844
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,320
percent from the field and forty percent from the three

845
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,119
point line eighty six point four percent from.

846
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:26,079
Speaker 4: The charity stripe. Many believe that he is the first

847
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,239
overall draft pick in this next year's draft.

848
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: But I'm like, guys, like, are you guys not seeing

849
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,880
what I'm seeing? Like, Look, I have been highly highly

850
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:44,119
uh just complimentary of Darren Peterson throughout this process, highly complimentary.

851
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: But this man has only played it's in instagram Instagram

852
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:59,039
eight games this season. He has sat out half of

853
00:40:59,079 --> 00:40:59,679
the season.

854
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: All I've been taught since I started competing in sports,

855
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,559
your best ability is your availability. If you can't stay healthy,

856
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,719
how do you play if you can't stay with these

857
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,760
soft issue injuries and other things they go back to

858
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,480
like high school too. It's interesting because I've been delving

859
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,840
into like Kirk Signetti's commentary and the lead up to

860
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,280
the college football Championship game, and he says he looks

861
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,039
at two things when recruiting, your productivity and your availability

862
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,360
if he sees, especially coming out of the portal, if

863
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,599
he sees that you can't stay healthy. And I know

864
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,840
football is maybe a little bit different than basketball, but

865
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:50,400
to me, it's it's a baseline, foundational element of why

866
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:55,320
you acquire certain players. If they aren't available consistently to

867
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,239
play at that level, you can't win consistently. I guess

868
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,840
red flag to Darren Peterson is that his health is

869
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,719
not wealthy.

870
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: It's not it's not good. It's not good for long

871
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:10,639
term winning.

872
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: And for me, if I'm an invest in anybody, I

873
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,760
want someone that can fight through injuries. I want somebody

874
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,119
that can fight through adversity time and time again and

875
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,320
find a way to win a j To me, his

876
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,239
stats are better collectively, and on top of that, he's

877
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,480
playing and competed in every single game while suffering through sickness,

878
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,719
under the weather and almost dislocating his right shoulder last

879
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,239
night versus TCU. Did you guys see that he fell down?

880
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,199
He gets completely demolished by one of TCU's big men

881
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,800
right to the back of the shoulder and he's writhing

882
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,559
in pain. Obviously, it hurt the shoulder and it looked

883
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,559
like it almost subluxed. It didn't dislocate, but it looked

884
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,840
like it could have sublux. Came back found a way

885
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,960
to I was in the first half and he had

886
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,199
one of his best performances in my opinion, the second

887
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,960
half taken over that game. Let's listen in CBS Sports,

888
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,679
pontificated on this, comparing and contrasting and discussing and highlighting

889
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,320
Darren Peterson.

890
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: Let's sho it in.

891
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 7: There are people who work in the NBA.

892
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: They do this for a living.

893
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 15: Their careers revolve around it, selecting players. And we have

894
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,960
seen aj Debondsa be awesome. We've seen it like a

895
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,039
game after game after game, Like nobody's done this in

896
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,320
the Big Twelve as a freshman other than Trey Young.

897
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: We've talked about that just the other day.

898
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,679
Speaker 9: He's unbelievable.

899
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 15: Cameron Boozer, unbelievable, Darius A Cuff like you go through

900
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,159
this freshman class like is locked and loaded, arguably the

901
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:48,679
best freshman class of all time. And yet when you

902
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,119
talk to anybody who works in the NBA, even while

903
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,719
Darren Peterson was sitting on the bench coming out of

904
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,960
games holding his legs, they said, that's the guy.

905
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 9: You don't pass on him.

906
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: He's the number one pick in the draft.

907
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 15: And though last night, Tuesday Night, wasn't the best example

908
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,440
of that, there were still moments in that game. A

909
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,320
little floater at the elbow, a pull up three in

910
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,000
somebody's eye that like, you don't even take that, and

911
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:16,719
he took it confidently and buried it. There were so

912
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,320
many moments in the game where it was just like, Okay,

913
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,400
that's that's that's.

914
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: It, that's that's Gary Parrish.

915
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: His sources are telling him that Darren Peterson is the guy,

916
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,360
the dude, the the individual that will be taken first

917
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,760
in next year's NBA draft.

918
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,599
Speaker 4: Last two games, yes, he has looked good.

919
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:44,039
Speaker 3: Sixteen points, twenty three points, twenty seven minutes, thirty one minutes, respectively,

920
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,639
shooting about forty percent from the field, thirty percent from

921
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,199
the three point line, five and six rebounds respectively.

922
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 4: One assists, two assists. He's a score. There's been times

923
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,199
where he.

924
00:44:56,159 --> 00:45:00,079
Speaker 3: Distributes for assists, three assists, for assists, three assists. But

925
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,440
to me, he's more of a score than anything. Kenny rebound. Yes,

926
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,360
he's six six, two hundred five pounds. He's pretty robust.

927
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,360
But I love the frame of the point forward. AJ

928
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,760
debonsa that frame to me, and the athleticism to me.

929
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,840
I see the quick twitch as AJ puts on more

930
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
muscle mass and lead muscle mass in the weight room. Guys,

931
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:24,159
that freak is gonna be unstoppable. He's gonna be unstoppable.

932
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,559
Darren has a ceiling, okay, but he'll be a premier

933
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,719
scorer in the league if he's healthy.

934
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,159
Speaker 4: He has consistently had soft issue injuries.

935
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,119
Speaker 3: How do you expect him all of a sudden to

936
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,920
play in the NBA where guys are bigger, faster, stronger,

937
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,079
You're playing more games. You think high school is tough

938
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,719
on your body, You think college is tough on your body.

939
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,119
Speaker 4: Try playing eighty plus games in the season.

940
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,119
Speaker 3: You think Darren's all of a sudden going to be

941
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,519
able to be healthy for eighty plus games? How does

942
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:06,079
not that devalue him? That alone should devalue him? Am

943
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,639
I off base? If I am I off kilter? Here,

944
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,440
Roddy set me straight? If I'm wrong here, No, you're not.

945
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been the one that's been harping on

946
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,519
this for a long time and really irritated actually that

947
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,920
you had this complay. I hadn't heard it from Gary Parris,

948
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,079
and I respect Gary a lot. I know that it

949
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,320
got sent, but hearing that it just like it made

950
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,079
me frustrated because it's just so we're gonna take the

951
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:33,280
game and Iowa State in which he played well in

952
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,440
a game where he wasn't even the best player. And

953
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,400
Brett and I talked about see, he was not like

954
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
he He did not shoot excellent from the field, He

955
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:41,639
did not light it up. It was the other guy,

956
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Trey White, actually looked lit up the game. I understand

957
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,880
that he facilitated, but it wasn't like last night where

958
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,920
guys got in foul trouble. Like I watched that game,

959
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:52,480
you know, I watched it entirely, and it just daring

960
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,000
to me. Wasn't the best player on the floor. You

961
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,079
could see that he's the better athlete. I won't argue that.

962
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,320
And then it's okay, so we're gonna take a guy

963
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,239
who's had moments but who can't stay healthy and the

964
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,159
guy who's been consistent. It's like, so when do we

965
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,840
get credit for being consistent in our lives? Right? And

966
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,599
one elder Holland said, you get credit for trying yet,

967
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,960
But this is not your job's on the line. Your

968
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,519
career is on the line. You're not taking a chance.

969
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,039
You want to take a chance on the guy that's

970
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:18,159
injury prone, Go right ahead. And as much as I

971
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,599
love this guy, I'm about to bring up and I

972
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:24,639
hope people don't think he's catching astray. I felt like

973
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,760
this was and this is Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker.

974
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,360
Both are talented, both are greg coming out, but one

975
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,199
guy started to deal with injuries. One guy you know,

976
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,119
had his moments of that. You keep investing, it's like, okay,

977
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,039
you can and then what happens like eventually it's like,

978
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,280
well you move on from it. And to me, I'm

979
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,000
gonna be honest, it might be an extremely hot take.

980
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,039
If Darren Peterson continues to struggle with injuries in college

981
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:46,559
and at the NBA, it has to be both. It

982
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,239
just can't be one because he can get to the

983
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,400
next level like Pooka did and they got the best

984
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,760
doctors and it could go work out. But if he

985
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,719
struggles now and getting to the next level, if he's

986
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,119
struggling in the first five to seven years with that injury,

987
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,280
he's going to fall off. He just will like your

988
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,400
health is the best, like you have a dollar sign

989
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,199
on your head. That just sucks. Just the way it is.

990
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,320
These guys are an attraction and if you can't perform,

991
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,079
you become less valuable. So to me, it's the same

992
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,159
thing with the draft Darren's a good player. He's still

993
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,440
a top three player. But the more the less he

994
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,519
plays and checking himself out of games and not shown

995
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,800
up and just having quote unquote moments and not being

996
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,199
consistent like AJ, to me, his value drops. And I

997
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,559
don't just say that as someone who covers BYU. I

998
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,840
legit believe that. Like I'm being honest when I say this,

999
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:28,719
I would take AJ and camp Before over over Darren

1000
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,199
because I haven't seen enough. I need him to stay healthy.

1001
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:32,880
I don't want to bring in an injury prone guy

1002
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,239
into my organization. It has that ability.

1003
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 11: Now.

1004
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 5: Granted, I know I have to spend the money and

1005
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,760
do that because if he does turn out well, I

1006
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,639
lose my job. But I'm being serious. I don't think

1007
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,920
he deserves to be picked over those other two guys

1008
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,320
until he can stay healthy and showcase more. I can

1009
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,159
be wrong. We've still got a lot of time left.

1010
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,480
But if you can't beat AJ and you're checking yourself

1011
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,400
out of the game and losing, that to me, is

1012
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:55,920
that's enough as a guy, as an NBA scout, if

1013
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,559
you when you play BYU at the end of the month,

1014
00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,760
if you can't play the full game beginning to end

1015
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,760
health and play well and you're checking out and you're

1016
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,280
not playing well is done? Like to me, That's why

1017
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,559
I say been that game determines I think who the

1018
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,119
number one overall pick would be. If ag goes up

1019
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,960
there and balls out, takes care of business and Darren doesn't,

1020
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,079
and Darren can't ball out and he's doing the same

1021
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,760
thing and he's he's under the weather with his health

1022
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,760
and other stuff, it's just like it's it's over. I

1023
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,119
think at that point that determines it. So I just

1024
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,239
feel like NBA scouts and look, I don't care what

1025
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,960
Gary has to say, but I know him on a tangent.

1026
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Everybody said, Diegor can't shoot the three. That's all I heard.

1027
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,159
That's all I heard. I'll know whe those people are at. Now.

1028
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,559
I don't know Brett, Brett and check Tap, but you can.

1029
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,800
I want to know where those dudes are at. Because

1030
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,320
I tried to tell y'all multiple times that he would

1031
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,159
get fixed, and no one wanted to listen to me,

1032
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,840
and everybody was yelling, that's people, that's a bad draft pick.

1033
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,679
Now everybody loves him. He wasn't a lottery pick. I

1034
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,760
sat next to a scout at the Utah game and

1035
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000
I asked, he said, he's a lottery pick. He will

1036
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,239
get developed with that shot at the NBA. Don't worry.

1037
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:55,519
I think the same thing could happen. I think all

1038
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,639
the noise in that and when it's all said and done,

1039
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:59,920
people will look at it and be like, AJ's the freak,

1040
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,519
He's the kid, he's the most consistent. The upside, the

1041
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,320
lebron ability is there. We shouldn't lose that for this guy,

1042
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,119
especially if his health is not there. Every single man,

1043
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:09,199
in my opinion.

1044
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,079
Speaker 3: To me, Darren Peterson reminds me of Grant Hill. Grant

1045
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,280
Hill was gonna be a superstar in the NBA and

1046
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,119
he was for a time, but just had injuries battlefoot,

1047
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:26,159
ankle injuries eventually, you know, knee issues. You know Penny Hardaway,

1048
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,960
another guy was a star for a moment.

1049
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:30,559
Speaker 4: Injuries.

1050
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,599
Speaker 3: Okay, There's been plenty of these situations right where injuries

1051
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,960
derailed careers.

1052
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: You have to be very judicious about this. And I'm

1053
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:40,360
sure they're gonna MRI.

1054
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,679
Speaker 3: They're gonna scan him up and down and figure out

1055
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,719
what's wrong with him, why it's wrong with him, etc.

1056
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,519
Before they draft him at the combine. But I'm telling

1057
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,559
you during that process, you wonder does AJ get elevated

1058
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,000
because of his freakish athleticism, because of what he's produced

1059
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,559
at BA and the run that he's gonna, I believe

1060
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,760
lead BYU two in the NC Tournament.

1061
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 4: I'm intrigued.

1062
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,039
Speaker 3: Many are saying Darren Peterson is the best player in

1063
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,480
the country. I'm not buying it, and nor do I

1064
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,519
think he's going to be the number one overall pick.

1065
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:14,960
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into some Richie Saunders sound here coming up next the

1074
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,280
top King, What did he have to say about this

1075
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,639
BAU basketball team and more. This is Cougar Sports one

1076
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:45,079
of three nine ninety eight point three e stats.

1077
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about stats. Ben Kreval and his team of

1078
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:51,480
former players and eight signers give you the latest stats,

1079
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data and analytics that are trending in the world of

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Cougar sports stats.

1081
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 3: Welcome back Paper Sports one of three nine ninety eight

1082
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it better than Bandard. Well, it is time to talk

1087
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,960
about stats. Want to talk about Richie Sanders' stats and

1088
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,400
delve into some of his comments from the post game.

1089
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:24,079
Richie Sanders struggled in the first half, not his best showing,

1090
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,519
but Ry rose and shouted in the second half and

1091
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,599
balled out for Brigham. Really liked what I saw from

1092
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,400
Richie and the Todd King continues to impress. Noa's answer

1093
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,840
butts about it. Most recently, the mock draft from Jeremy

1094
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,239
Wu put him at fifty first overall in the next

1095
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,119
year's NBA draft to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

1096
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 4: Is he Is he gonna be good enough? Is he

1097
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,320
gonna produce enough?

1098
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 3: Is he gonna be popular enough through the NCAA tournament

1099
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,559
like he was last year to elevate his play, elevate.

1100
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: In some way shape or form his draft stock to

1101
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,320
become a first round pick. What's his ceiling? What's his four?

1102
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,159
Speaker 3: Real quick guys, what do you think of it? Do

1103
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:12,159
you think his ceiling is end of first round? Is

1104
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,559
that a ceiling for him? Or is it more, you know,

1105
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,400
second round, middle of the second round type of deal.

1106
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 6: I don't think Richie is going to play himself into

1107
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,920
being any higher than he is. And that's not necessarily

1108
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,480
a commentary on Richie. That's just a commentary on A

1109
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,800
the fact that this is a loaded class and B

1110
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,400
I think he's already so far outperformed what people thought

1111
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,079
he would be. I don't know what else he could do.

1112
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,400
I mean, the guys has multiple twenty point games this season. Like,

1113
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,440
I think the other hard part is you're playing with

1114
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,400
AJ and Rob and so you're never gonna look like

1115
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,199
Superman in the Justice League on the team because you

1116
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,519
have two other guys that are right there. And so

1117
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,639
I think there's a couple of things I don't even

1118
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,440
want to say working against him, because I think I

1119
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,440
think where he is and where he's going to go

1120
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,920
in the draft. Somewhere between that forty five to fifty

1121
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,760
spot is awesome, It's excellent. I'm sure the competitor in

1122
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,039
him says I want to be a first rounder.

1123
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 7: Obviously.

1124
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 6: I think where he is right now, I think that's

1125
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,519
probably his ceiling.

1126
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:26,079
Speaker 7: Probably just a couple of spots higher.

1127
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 6: But I don't think he'll be an early second round,

1128
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,400
late first round guy.

1129
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: I was looking up Gordon Hayward again and just kind

1130
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,239
of see where he was at. You know, six foot

1131
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,119
six and three fourths inches is what he came in at,

1132
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,519
you know, in the combine, and he was to eleven

1133
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,280
two hundred eleven pounds, so a little bit thicker than.

1134
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,559
Speaker 4: Richie. But like we were talking about ceilings and floors.

1135
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: Yesterday as far as his his you know, if I

1136
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,719
was as an NBA prospect and I was like, can

1137
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,639
he be a Gordon Hayward if if he gets you know,

1138
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,280
some muscle mass on him, can he get up to

1139
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:00,679
two ten?

1140
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,159
Speaker 4: Can he dead up to two fifteen?

1141
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,599
Speaker 3: I mean Gordon was playing out two twenty when he

1142
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:08,199
was at his bouncies two twenty five in the NBA.

1143
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,480
Does does Richie have the frame to do that. Does

1144
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,920
he have the work ethic in the weight room to

1145
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,039
do that? Is he taking enough creatine and protein to

1146
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:18,079
get there? I would like to see him shoot for

1147
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:20,239
that is what I'm getting at. And if we see

1148
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,559
that ability to take on uh, maybe a little bit

1149
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,280
more body weight, good body weight, that that that's where

1150
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,880
it could be a possibility for me. But obviously we're

1151
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,440
in the middle of the season. At the end of

1152
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,960
the season. Now, obviously he's not gonna put on additional weight,

1153
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,199
and he's coming in at maybe two hundred pounds still spelt,

1154
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:41,639
still still slight. But I would love to see, you know,

1155
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,519
him continue to pack on some good lean muscle mass. Anyway,

1156
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,800
let's talk about his stats in this game.

1157
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: UH.

1158
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 4: Nice production.

1159
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 11: Uh.

1160
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: Not as efficient as he would like from the field,

1161
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,159
but at least from the free throw line thirty three

1162
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:56,960
minutes of play, eight of twenty two from the field,

1163
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,280
thirty six point four percent from the field, two point

1164
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,599
two of seven and twenty eight point six percent from

1165
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,519
the three point line, seven to seven from the from

1166
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:08,079
the charity stripe six rebounds one to assist and uh

1167
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,480
two personal fouls. Uh and or sorry, I have I

1168
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,480
have sorry, I have a J's stat up there.

1169
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,079
Speaker 4: Not bad. I got that one wrong.

1170
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,079
Speaker 3: Twenty six minutes to play, four to twelve from the field,

1171
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,239
thirty three point three percent from the field, one of

1172
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,880
six from the three point line, sixteen point seven percent

1173
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,239
from the three point line, nine good, nine of eleven

1174
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from the charity stripe, but eighty one point eight percent

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from the charity stripe, six rebounds, one assist, and then

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he had four personal fouls and one turnover. Let's see

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what he had to say in the post game, Richie

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Sounders the tap king.

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Speaker 5: Riche time you guys, I think that rebounded in like

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plus eighteen in the second half.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that was a big focus.

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00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: But think the biggest thing that kay I was saying

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is he showed the clip of KBA like a minion

1184
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and a half a game where he just he dole

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on the floor, caught that ex possession, said that's why

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we're gonna win this game is plays like that.

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Speaker 9: Just all that like just attitude of toughness.

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Speaker 5: Was you the told AJ to change out of the long.

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Speaker 1: Sleeves, Yeah, I mean just I just had no part

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of that. I was wondering why he didn't have that all,

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but you know he wasn't. Maybe I just feeling the best,

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but he just came out hooped show a lot about him.

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Speaker 11: What does it do for this team to win a

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game where stylistically it's up and down the grind?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just it just shows that we

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can win in different ways, right, like you know, some

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season lows and different categories, but also some really good

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stuff with offensive rebounding twenty one oh boards is is

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huge and like I'm sure is gonna come in and.

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Speaker 5: Talk all about but like that is how.

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Speaker 1: You win games like that and powify the guys for

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for final ways to win.

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Speaker 4: How much of a grind and physical physical was it?

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00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,239
Speaker 9: Physical ally of this game? How much of a crime

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:01,920
was this one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just from from the very jump, it

1207
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was just it was just a grind. Like again, there's

1208
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games like that. We just got to figure out where

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to win and it's just not pretty. But at the

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end of the day, it's come up with a win,

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We're good.

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Speaker 16: Was there any l like a rivalry you hangover type

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of uh we used for you guys to come out

1214
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the way you did, any any lasting.

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Speaker 9: Best from that or no?

1216
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I don't think so.

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Speaker 11: Were you guys aware that j was a little bit

1219
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,000
under the weather at all or did did he let

1220
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you guys know going in?

1221
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Speaker 9: Uh?

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00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,199
Speaker 1: I mean just a little bit. But we we know

1223
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,039
that we're we're team. We got to figure out together

1224
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and find ways.

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Speaker 5: What do you pick up your fourth with just under

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:45,440
fifteen to go?

1227
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Speaker 10: How difficult is it to kind of have to sit

1228
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through that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: What'd you think of the other guys?

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00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sucks, There's no way around it sucks.

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Just everything's just stickier. Everything's happens. But you know, I mean,

1233
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just really happy for for that run that those guys.

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I mean, for example, me Hi came in and hit

1235
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a Hilo came in and hit a huge shot during

1236
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that time, different guys just stepped up and that's what

1237
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the team's about.

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Speaker 5: He also played most of the final eight minutes without

1239
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,599
four of those fouls. Just how do you do something

1240
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,719
like that? I mean, that's that's tough for anybody to do.

1241
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Speaker 9: I gotta be figured it out.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,719
Speaker 9: I don't have a great answer for you, but I'm

1244
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,559
glad to pick up that last Woe man.

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Speaker 16: Richie, what are your thoughts heading out to Texas Tech,

1246
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,119
a nationally ranked team on the road.

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00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 17: What kind of challenge is.

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00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 4: That gonna be?

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00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,519
Speaker 1: Be a great one, just another opportunity to grow, another

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00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,800
opportunity to work towards our our end goal.

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Speaker 9: And I mean I love playing that.

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00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a fun atmosphere and they do a

1253
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great job of packing that place, and I think those

1254
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are the some of the some of the funnest games

1255
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,000
is playing when you can't even hear yourself think, I'm

1256
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,440
excited to go there and go get a win.

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Speaker 9: Last question, what was it like to play against?

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01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one of my one of my really

1259
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good friends.

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Speaker 18: Man.

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Speaker 1: He had some some really good stuff in that game,

1262
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,199
and you know, problems to him and for just his

1263
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,239
overall this career of finding ways how to to keep

1264
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moving forward and through setbacks and all that. But he's

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a stud and just got nothing but good stuff to

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say about him.

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Speaker 9: Thanks me Hi.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard that nickname before from Mahi low me Hi.

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Speaker 6: Well, I thought it was a highlight. That's the only

1270
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thing I've ever heard my highlight bucket fit. Yeah, I don't,

1271
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:34,079
I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's the one Sean gave him. Yeah, I mean Highlight, Bucketchell, Sean.

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01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 6: Ge take twelve, Big twelve Boskovich before I made it up.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, but yeah, I've been told to not tell

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him any of these nicknames because his head's already big,

1276
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,440
because he doesn't, you know, not take a shot he

1277
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,960
doesn't like. Uh, So I've been told by BYU players

1278
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,639
to not give him these nicknames. So I guess we'll

1279
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call him me High.

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Speaker 3: I was really hoping me Hi was going to get

1281
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,880
that block on the defensive end and then transition it

1282
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,360
into a three on the opposite end.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was tough travel bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, dude, just take the shot.

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01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,559
Speaker 5: He put me high. It was me Highlight, but a

1286
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:15,079
bad one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just take the shot. Just take it. You're

1288
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,920
right there, you know it's it's yours. Take it.

1289
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 7: He did have that one block that caught was called

1290
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:24,639
a foul.

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01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:31,239
Speaker 6: However, ball don't lie, as we know, so he did

1292
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:32,360
get that block, which.

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Speaker 9: Was also nice.

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let's go to break don't go anywhere. Bradon Day. College football.

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All the news and notes coming out of the college

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football world. Coming up next, This is Cougar Sports on

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Speaker 2: It's time to celebrate the figgest team sport known to man,

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where modern day gladiators collide for all the chloe on

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little college football segment. Gonna get into all the news

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and notes coming out of the college football world. Maybe

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even talk to some Cougars in the pros, like Fred

1334
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Warner being activated off the injured reserve.

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Speaker 4: That are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: It's great that dude man that he is an alien,

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he is not human. He will be activated off injured

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reserve ahead of the Saturday's game in Seattle for the

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Divisional round, per head coach Kyle Shanahan. Pretty ridiculous, Pretty crazy.

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Fred Warner suffered what seemingly was a season ending injury

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01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:46,719
earlier in the year and now he's back. I was

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01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,000
watching highlights of him running around of practice last night.

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01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:51,719
But you gotta be Kidney, who is this man? We

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used to see that from like Taysom, He'd get injured,

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season and injured somehow, get get back and be bigger, batter,

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and better than ever.

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Speaker 4: What a tremendous feed, Fred order.

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Speaker 3: But we're gonna delve into all the news and notes

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coming out of Brigham as well as the college football

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Speaker 3: Even though what I said is if you are still

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Speaker 4: I was talking to a few of them. In fact,

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I pitched them.

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Speaker 3: I said, Hey, let's do a Sunday night get together

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for all the less active BYU sports fans. Like a

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Speaker 4: Everyone's welcome, all visitors welcome. Love it. Hey, uh Bringen,

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what what's caught you'r?

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Speaker 3: During the college football transfer Portal season? As we get

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into the lead up of the College Football National Championship Game.

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Speaker 11: I would say, what's caught my eye is just that,

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I mean, we've retained everybody. What an awesome feat for

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And I think we talked about this a little bit

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last week. But with everything, you know, losing j Hill

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and Gennaro, Like I was really worried about genera obviously,

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when we lost J Hill, I thought, like, you know,

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a lot of the guys are probably gonna say we

1405
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,559
might lose a couple, but Gennaro was the one coach

1406
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,159
that I was super worried to lose. Like I was.

1407
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:30,519
I was to the point where I was. I think

1408
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:32,119
I even said on the show, like, if we have

1409
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:34,239
to make him DC to keep him, like that might

1410
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,960
be worth it, just because he's so crucial to keeping

1411
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,679
guys here and he's been you know, that's just a

1412
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:42,440
hard position with the double minorities to recruit and the

1413
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,480
fact that he left. And still we didn't lose any

1414
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,119
of our main contributors in that position.

1415
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 9: Obviously we lost.

1416
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,199
Speaker 11: Tayban Beasley, but like not our number one to two

1417
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:50,199
that I was nervous.

1418
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,119
Speaker 9: About, Like that's huge.

1419
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,599
Speaker 11: And then you know this week we started pulling people

1420
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:57,760
out of the portal and Katulu, however, he says his

1421
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,000
last name is somebody I'm really pumped about.

1422
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:03,519
Speaker 3: So it's a great day to be a Cougar, There's

1423
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:06,960
no doubt about it. Is there an acquisition that you're

1424
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,719
most excited about? Is it the the Hasser's up front?

1425
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:16,079
The three guys And by the way, Pockey Finale is

1426
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,440
one of the most ripped offensive lineman I've ever seen.

1427
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,079
If you can see the definition of the tri sep

1428
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,880
of an offensive lineman, that dude's stacked, That dude's not

1429
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,679
the soft, supple offensive lineman of the past.

1430
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 4: That dude's that dude's yoked.

1431
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 11: So Tjon Coromo two point zero is what we're saying this.

1432
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm telling you T John's one of the very

1433
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,360
few that had that try shep that definition.

1434
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 4: Pockey Finales got it too.

1435
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I'm I'm super excited about that. I really think, like, yes,

1436
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,559
we're gonna we're gonna notice and talk about the guys

1437
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,400
on the edges and you know, some of the recruits

1438
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,119
that are giving me more of the skill positions. But

1439
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,079
obviously as a former offensive lineman and as something that

1440
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,400
I really think that was what what did us in

1441
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,480
this year, Like not saying that offensive line wasn't wasn't incredible,

1442
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,800
Like I thought they were great, but they weren't elite,

1443
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,639
and we needed elite to play against Texas Tech and win.

1444
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:06,639
And I think you know, that was a place they

1445
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,440
clearly recognized, the coaching staff did that we need to

1446
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,039
go and try and build that even stronger because that

1447
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:13,840
was where I feel like that one spot if we

1448
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,439
would have had that offensive line totally locked down against Tech,

1449
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,319
I think it would have been a totally different game

1450
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,600
on the offensive side of the coin.

1451
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,199
Speaker 3: So, uh, what give me your eval as a fan,

1452
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:29,800
as a Cougar Sports insider de Mario Warren, the defensive

1453
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,720
back coach, quarterbacks coach, and the passion game coordinator.

1454
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 11: I'm excited about it. I you know, he's got he's

1455
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,520
got a lot of experience, but he's also has a

1456
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,680
ton of experience in the area. I think, honestly like

1457
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,800
it makes a ton of sense in terms of getting

1458
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,279
double minorities here. He's familiar, familiar enough with the church

1459
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,119
with you know him be coaching the sgu for so long,

1460
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:52,880
even boys, he you know, has got some of that

1461
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,039
aspect there. But he's still a double minority, can still bring.

1462
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 9: In a lot of those guys.

1463
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,239
Speaker 11: I know. He on his Sports Nation interview, he said

1464
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:03,680
that Gennaro is his best friend in the coaching world,

1465
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,239
and so I think, I think it's a really great fit.

1466
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:07,560
I think he's, you know, the best thing we could

1467
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,680
ask for in that spot. And I think it's gonna

1468
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,520
be a really big thing. And I think he's gonna

1469
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,560
bring in some recruiting ties that are you know, we

1470
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,439
we haven't had. We might lose a couple that we

1471
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,439
that we had with Gennaro, but I think we're gonna

1472
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,359
get some some other guys. And I think we're hopefully

1473
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:21,520
we don't have a big drop off there.

1474
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: I don't think you will, would your you know, what

1475
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,399
do you want from the safeties coach?

1476
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: Or let me let me ask you this.

1477
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:34,039
Speaker 3: I've been debating with certain individuals about this. Do you

1478
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:37,600
want to Mario to coach your corners or your safeties?

1479
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,239
If you could bring in like a another guy to

1480
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,960
coach corners like I had put out my list of

1481
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:47,199
cornerbacks coaches that have some connectivity to b YU. DeVante Cross.

1482
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,560
He was a former Virginia cornerback GA at New Mexico.

1483
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,840
Current Utah Tech cornerbacks coach Brian Mitchell currently at n

1484
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:58,399
C State. Former b YU and NFL cornerback and cornerbacks

1485
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,319
coach at b y U Dwayne Walker. Maybe there's Charles Mackett,

1486
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:07,079
Utah State, Preston Hadley, Rob Daniel, Eddie Hecker, Mike David.

1487
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 4: If you could bring back.

1488
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:12,039
Speaker 3: Someone to coach corners in Tomorrio coach to safeties, would

1489
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:14,760
that be a route that you'd be interested in pursuing.

1490
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 4: Or even Brandon Bradley. You know, Brandon Bradley was another

1491
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:18,479
guy on my list.

1492
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,359
Speaker 11: I mean, I love those guys. I think if you're

1493
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,159
getting a coach just as good or better than Warren,

1494
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,079
and you can that it makes most sense to move

1495
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:27,640
them over. I think you go with that, but I

1496
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,159
don't think you. I think you go after whoever the

1497
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:31,479
best coach you can get. I think enough of the

1498
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,880
guys on the staff can move around that.

1499
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,159
Speaker 9: I think.

1500
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 11: I mean, even to Mario said in his interview with

1501
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,479
SportsNation that originally it sounded like he was gonna possibly

1502
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,319
gonna come when Gennara was still here and he was

1503
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:46,119
gonna be Safety's coach. So obviously that's an option, but

1504
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,479
I think it depends on who you're bringing in. I

1505
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,680
don't want to go not that I love some of

1506
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,640
those guys that you mentioned, but they're not proven. I

1507
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,720
think we're gonna we're in an era now with with

1508
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,039
the resources that we can go and get a guy

1509
01:10:57,039 --> 01:10:59,479
who's proven and then let those other guys still kind

1510
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,960
of grow up through those those ranks. Guys like you know,

1511
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:04,359
Eddie Heckert, who's going to be an assistant out there

1512
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:06,399
at Michigan. Let him keep growing up through that route.

1513
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:07,359
I don't know that I want him to be the

1514
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:09,680
Corners coach this year, and let's go get somebody who

1515
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,159
is qualified, ready to go right the second and if

1516
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:14,840
you have to move tomorrow for that, I think that's

1517
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,520
totally great. But I don't know that you have to

1518
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,079
if you played a safeties coach, Grady find a linebackers

1519
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:21,840
coach and let and let k Pop go to safeties,

1520
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,720
like I think he could do any of those.

1521
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, let's say tomorrow is the cornerbacks goes

1522
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,079
passing him coordinator. What about Gavin Fowler? You know, I

1523
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,159
know he's at Weber State. Would you go and get him?

1524
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,479
Tanner Jacobson, would you go get him? He's a former

1525
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,279
defensive back and safety and was coaching up at Tyler

1526
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:43,560
Junior College. You have a couple options there that, especially Gavin,

1527
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,479
I mean, he knows the defense quite well and is

1528
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,199
essentially an internal hire if you get him.

1529
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 4: Back to b YU.

1530
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,279
Speaker 11: I would say Gavin was one that I obviously there

1531
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:57,319
was a ton of smoke behind it and the fact

1532
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,399
that he hadn't been announced by Weber yet. That was

1533
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,000
what I thought was going to happen. I think we

1534
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:04,199
even talked about last week, and I was good with

1535
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:05,960
that because it was the internal it was somebody who's

1536
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:08,399
super familiar with the system, had been coaching with Jay

1537
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,479
in that position, so I would be good with that.

1538
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,680
I think Tanner Jacobson also brings a totally different type

1539
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,560
of experience. I think you do that, but I think

1540
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,880
it's better for Tanner to go and and you know,

1541
01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:20,159
kind of teeth in another spot, one more level up,

1542
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,560
and then it's better for Bau long term, for somebody

1543
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,079
these guys to keep growing in their spheres outside and

1544
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:27,359
then come back when it's when it's time and they're

1545
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,439
ready at that spot. But I wouldn't be mad with

1546
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,079
either one of those guys if that was what it

1547
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:31,560
came down to.

1548
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: Brain Day CEO vote on Men's where Bradon, what do

1549
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,800
you do you have for us overhet odeons right now?

1550
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,159
Speaker 11: Yeah? So right now we've got we're not running any

1551
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,279
specific monthly special for January, but we have we're always

1552
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:48,520
obviously running running deals and trying to keep prices competitive.

1553
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,600
We have the free Missionary Gift, which is we're starting

1554
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,359
to get people getting their calls. Availability dates have changed

1555
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:56,119
a little bit, so now you can put your calls

1556
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:58,479
in earlier, and so if you do have a mystery

1557
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,800
within the walls of your homes, or are you family members?

1558
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:02,920
We always do a free shirt and free pair of

1559
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,039
softs for any missionary, just because we trust our stuff

1560
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:08,359
enough that we believe that if you come and try

1561
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,439
it and wash it, wear it, do whatever you need to,

1562
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,319
you're gonna end up loving it.

1563
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 3: So Transfer Portal I went through the numbers, the acquisitions

1564
01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:21,239
and the attritions. If you will, you're over year since

1565
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,920
about twenty twenty two. We currently sit at seven incoming

1566
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:29,880
transfers and there are twelve on the out How many

1567
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,960
do you think BYU acquires this offseason? Last year was

1568
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:41,439
thirteen and you lost twenty seven. It looks like it's trending.

1569
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,840
And look, there's going to be springball too, so you

1570
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,479
could see some other players that enter in after springball

1571
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,840
and we can add to the list.

1572
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 4: But what do you make of it? You what number

1573
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,159
do you think it's going to be both attrition and acquisition?

1574
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,399
Speaker 11: Yeah, attrition wise, I think there could be some guys

1575
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,319
that after bring you know, if they kind of see

1576
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:02,800
the writing on the wall and move. I don't know

1577
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,600
if I could, if there's a number I can think

1578
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,520
upop my head. I think in terms of acquisitions, we're

1579
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,720
at seven now. I think they're definitely gonna try and

1580
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,159
get another two corners, at least, probably a running back,

1581
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,039
a couple of other positions if there's other opportunities, I

1582
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:20,960
would guess we end up around end of twelve acquisitions

1583
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:23,520
by the end of it, and then maybe two or

1584
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,720
three more guys hit the portal after spring.

1585
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:29,399
Speaker 3: What's your priority right now? Is it a QB two,

1586
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,600
is it a CB three? Is it an RB two? Uh?

1587
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,359
Where do you have your eyeset as far as positional

1588
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,439
transfer portal?

1589
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:39,119
Speaker 11: Uh?

1590
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,279
Speaker 3: You know, just your your your your your your, your wants,

1591
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,239
your need if you will. If you were the director

1592
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:47,600
of player personnel at DYU, I.

1593
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 11: Would say cornerback, corner back, so seeb because I feel

1594
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,399
like I feel like that's the spot that the top

1595
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,000
two with from Mevin and Trey are there, but everybody

1596
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:59,760
else is just not proven yet. Like I think the

1597
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,520
they're good, they're gonna be fine, but just not proven.

1598
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,319
So I think those are the two spots. Running backs

1599
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:06,560
another one. But I am a bigger believer in Cion

1600
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,840
Moa than I think the average fan is. But I

1601
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,640
still think you want to have depth there because hasn't

1602
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,079
proven to be super I think this last year's injury

1603
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,920
was flu super fluky. But but I would say corner

1604
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:19,239
is the first position I'm nervous spout, and then running

1605
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:19,800
back next.

1606
01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's interesting, right, Like BYU hasn't taken any

1607
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,920
poral running backs over the last couple of seasons, But

1608
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:34,319
in the early I want to say, late two thousands

1609
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:37,840
and even early, you know, twenty twenties, it always seemed

1610
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,359
like there we were picking up running backs.

1611
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 4: What gives? What's going on?

1612
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think it's I don't

1613
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:48,680
know what it is. I would say it's probably that

1614
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,800
the coaches believe more in the room than we than

1615
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,279
maybe the fans do. I think they think that they've

1616
01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:57,760
got that. I also think there's a chance that LJ.

1617
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,239
I mean, it would be really hard to get a

1618
01:15:59,279 --> 01:16:00,960
guy right now. Back we were getting those guys out

1619
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,680
of the portal. There was nobody in the room or

1620
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,800
the guys weren't proven in the room. So it's easy

1621
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,600
to come in and say, hey, you come, come to

1622
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:09,079
the team and prove yourself and you're gonna be the starter.

1623
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,840
That's a lot harder when you have LJ coming back,

1624
01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:14,359
even though it's the last two years, so I think

1625
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,199
anybody coming is going to come in to be a

1626
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,680
depth piece, and then if they're looking at that, they're saying, well,

1627
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,239
we've got depth pieces we need, you know, RB one A.

1628
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,760
And I don't think there's very many portal backs that

1629
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,800
are looking out there trying to come in and compete

1630
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:27,279
with LJ.

1631
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, just said, you know, in the twenty twenty three

1632
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:36,199
career you got Dion Smith, Aiden Robbins that were added

1633
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:39,680
in twenty twenty two. I want to say, I'm trying

1634
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,079
to think of who you picked up in twenty twenty two,

1635
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:49,279
but it was twenty two EnEx Nowahne Houston Hamui, Chris Brooks.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Chris books him, and then the year before that

1637
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,279
was a Supa And why can I think of the

1638
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:56,680
other guy that?

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:58,119
Speaker 9: Oh?

1640
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, but yeah, So I do think it's those years

1641
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:03,079
there was more availability, and so people saw it out

1642
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:04,840
of the portal as like a hey, let's come in

1643
01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:09,279
and compete immediately, where having a competians LJ isn't most.

1644
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:10,960
I wouldn't say most, because a lot of the guys

1645
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,760
in the portal are going in for playing time and

1646
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,079
then to come and try and compete with with LJ

1647
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,520
would just I don't know that that suits what their

1648
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,520
what their goals are.

1649
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 3: You got Devon Aka coming in from Lee High. I

1650
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,439
don't know if you've got an eyes on Davon Ekka

1651
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,399
and whether or not he would be the guy, a

1652
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,920
dude that you'd you'd buy into to be an RB

1653
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:32,319
two RB three Obviously, Shinny Moa and Jovesta de Mooney

1654
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,399
they're gonna be the mixed Preston Rex as well. What

1655
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,960
about the SUU running back? It's not too far away

1656
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:45,239
hop skipping a jump away. He's got great straight line

1657
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:47,640
speed and he was one of the most productive running

1658
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,760
backs in college football this year, albeit at the FCS level.

1659
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,720
I think he topped out at like twenty three point

1660
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:58,439
seven miles per hours as fastest speed Joshua Die He's

1661
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,439
originally from Everett, Washington in runs a four to three

1662
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,159
nine and tallied one eight hundred and thirty one yards

1663
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:06,479
last season.

1664
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,199
Speaker 4: And what was it? Uh? I mean he rushed for

1665
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:11,920
a lot of touchdowns as well. What do you make

1666
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,119
of that?

1667
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would definitely I would love to have him

1668
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,319
come in. I think he's a he's a back that's

1669
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,800
a different skill set than l Jencione, A little more

1670
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,000
on the I think he's obviously way more proven than Jobasa,

1671
01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:25,039
but they run similar, they're more of that you know,

1672
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:27,319
quick quick back. So I would love to get Die in.

1673
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 9: And the fact that he.

1674
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 11: Hasn't sign anywhere yet, I think to a sign that

1675
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,640
maybe we're at least trying there. But I haven't seen much,

1676
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:34,880
you know, smoke. I saw it a lot right as

1677
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,119
it came out, but I haven't seen anything recently. But

1678
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:38,880
I think it would be It would be awesome to

1679
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,800
get die We'll.

1680
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 4: See how it plays out.

1681
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 3: Once again, remind Cougar fans what deals they have going

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on at Odeon Men's Where, and why should they come

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for dress shirts, belts, ties, slacks, whatever it is that

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1686
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so we we specialize when we do our you know,

1687
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our all of our effort is to make make it

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honestly that that suit's going for. That similar suit that's honestly,

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I don't think looks as good. Those same types of

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me today.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 9: Go Coogies.

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Cougars coming up next. Let's get Brian Keele's comments on

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the new hire at BYU the defensive coordinator his former

1724
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:33,239
teammate Kelly Pepinga. Get his thoughts as commentary on on

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how he he likes this this particular higher and what

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is in store for BYU Cougar Football with k Pop

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at the helm of the defense. This is Cougar Sports

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the hotline. Welcome in Former BYU Great. One of the

1751
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,319
best athletes to come through Brigham, and I was looking

1752
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:03,840
up the stature. He's ranked fifty fifth all time in

1753
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,039
total tackles with two hundred and five and he may

1754
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:11,279
be the fastest linebacker to come through Brigham. Let's welcome

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01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:14,119
in Brian Keel my former teammate be how the heck

1756
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:14,760
are you man.

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01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 18: Doing well?

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:18,039
Speaker 2: Brother?

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01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 18: Thank you?

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01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,359
Speaker 4: Hey, what's what's.

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01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:25,039
Speaker 3: Keeping the keel zone busy these days? Give us an update?

1762
01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:30,319
Speaker 18: Same same stuff since the new year, kids are getting older,

1763
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:37,359
winter sports and in full effect basically keeps us busy

1764
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:44,119
every evening. So other than that, just enjoying the maybe

1765
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:49,039
the pinnafle of BYU sports, maybe maybe the best year

1766
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:51,159
INYU sports we'll see.

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01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you were part of a great era

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01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:58,399
for basketball and football combined football. You can make an

1769
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,960
argument during that era, the four year stretch from like

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01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:04,199
you know two your five year five, two thousand and five,

1771
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,079
two thousand and nine, that's one of the winningest eras

1772
01:23:06,079 --> 01:23:10,279
in BAU football history or part of that. The best

1773
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:13,640
era you know for many was the eighties, late seventies,

1774
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,600
early eighties with a national championship and you had you

1775
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,359
had Danny Ainge and and great kid in the and

1776
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,319
the crew leading them to an elite eight, so that

1777
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,119
that that combo was pretty special. Do you think this era,

1778
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:29,199
the Kilani era UH in the last you know, four

1779
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:34,079
or five years, is UH is rival rivalrying the UH

1780
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,640
the era that you played in, and maybe even surpassing, uh,

1781
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,560
the the best era of college athletics history at YU.

1782
01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:46,199
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think, uh, this is gonna be a golden age.

1783
01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:51,199
And yeah, the eighties were absolutely amazing. Obviously, it's hard

1784
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:54,840
to beat a national championship. But I'm also you know,

1785
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,279
I'm a realist, and I understand that the schedule that

1786
01:23:58,359 --> 01:24:01,760
they played in that year wasn't that tough. And uh,

1787
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,079
you know that's that's the way that b YU won

1788
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,920
it's national championship is a method that I'm totally against.

1789
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,239
You know, they were, they were chosen, They won all

1790
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,720
their games, nobody else won all their games, and then

1791
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,239
they were chosen, right, and and I'm against that. That's

1792
01:24:19,279 --> 01:24:22,600
the same that's the same methodology that kept by U

1793
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,439
out of the playoffs this year. They were not chosen

1794
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:29,319
even though even though they had earned it. So, you

1795
01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:31,479
know what, what is my My point? My point is,

1796
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,720
like I think right now, the the talent that is

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01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,359
both on the team and then on the on the

1798
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:43,199
opposing teams, the the strength of schedule, the difficulty of

1799
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:46,880
the schedule, I just I just think it's it's unparalleled,

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01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:52,159
both both not just football but basketball too. Yeah, this

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01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:53,399
is going to be the Golden age.

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01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,359
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, the golden era of b y

1803
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:01,239
U athletics and what what has has created this golden era?

1804
01:25:01,279 --> 01:25:03,119
Would you say, like if you were to, we always

1805
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:05,399
talk about pie chart accountability on the show, you know what,

1806
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,560
where do you who do you dole out like the

1807
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,159
credibility to the the you know, the merit to in

1808
01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:12,640
this process to.

1809
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:13,279
Speaker 4: What and who?

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,239
Speaker 18: So well, before I answer that, I'll answer that, but

1811
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,039
well back to what you said. You know, like when

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01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:22,199
you and I played in not five year stretch, you know,

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01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,039
when we were there and maybe the next couple of

1814
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:26,399
years after we were there, Yes, that is that was

1815
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,439
a great error too, But this is still the same thing.

1816
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,159
We didn't play against the competition that these guys are

1817
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:34,279
playing against now, and and so it's just it's not

1818
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,680
it's apples oranges comparison. And so it's just it's really

1819
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,600
hard to compare eras. So go back to the to

1820
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,840
the question that you just said. Honestly, I think it

1821
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:52,479
is the decision makers being willing to to I locate

1822
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:58,840
the resources be that time or dollar bills to go

1823
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,359
match up with the talent and the dedication and the

1824
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:07,720
passion that the bou has always had and I think

1825
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,039
that's the difference the last couple of years in football

1826
01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:13,800
and basketball that has that has boosted them up. It's

1827
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:17,359
I think it's the combination of the passion that's always

1828
01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:19,479
been there and now all of a sudden which has

1829
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:24,000
not always been there, a willingness to allocate resources that's

1830
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:27,920
never been done before. And when when thost teams get together,

1831
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000
great things happen. So that's what we're seeing.

1832
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 4: Resources matter.

1833
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 3: There's no doubt I think in the in times past

1834
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:37,039
when we've maybe heaped criticism, you can look at the

1835
01:26:37,159 --> 01:26:41,600
resource critique. We've also discussed on these airways before, like

1836
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:47,680
how by us changing culturally from an honor code standpoint, right,

1837
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:53,079
how they're approaching that, how they're uh maybe approaching recruiting

1838
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:56,479
obviously stuff to find the right fits, et cetera. Being

1839
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,479
in a P four uh P four conference helps the

1840
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,960
additional revenue money coming from TV and then that being

1841
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,760
obviously allocated. As you mentioned, uh Kilan's culture I think

1842
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,119
deserves some credit here too, and how it attracts and

1843
01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:11,159
retains talent.

1844
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,079
Speaker 18: Yeah, and and and before somebody out there that's listening

1845
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:19,680
or who's not listening or anybody as well. They just

1846
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,920
they just spent money. That's not obviously they have, but

1847
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:26,920
that's not all that it takes. And and you don't

1848
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,680
have to look any further than like say LSU who

1849
01:27:31,079 --> 01:27:34,479
was was mediocre at best this season and spent all

1850
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,600
sorts of money. And and they're not the only one. Michigan,

1851
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,159
you know, Texas was was decent but not great, and

1852
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,479
they spent a ton of money. They were right right

1853
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,159
there at the top. And the list goes on and on,

1854
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:51,239
and so it's not just spending money. It's both. It's

1855
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:55,279
culture like you just mentioned, and the money and the resources,

1856
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:57,680
the passion, all that stuff, it all goes together. And

1857
01:27:58,039 --> 01:27:59,960
uh and so yeah, that's that's what they have there

1858
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,920
in Provo. And that's why we're seeing what we're seeing

1859
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:06,880
in the two flagship sports of football, basketball and all

1860
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,720
the other sports. They've always been great. They've always dominated,

1861
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:12,520
and it warms my heart to see it. They win,

1862
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,800
They win Uffers championships like it's nobody's business, and they

1863
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,960
win national championships and it's awesome. And and that's part

1864
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,760
of why I love BYU because it's just a place

1865
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,439
of excellence everywhere you look, not just sports, not just

1866
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,960
the main sports, but all the sports, and not just

1867
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,279
the athletic department, the whole the whole university is just

1868
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:35,880
a culture of excellence and I just absolutely.

1869
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 4: Love it, as do.

1870
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,359
Speaker 3: Why former b YU great Brian Keel here on your

1871
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,520
UTAI ESBN radio network getting a little keeping up with

1872
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,079
the Cougars and getting his thoughts on BAU football. Who

1873
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:50,039
is Kelly papinga Brian Keel And what was your reaction

1874
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,960
when he became the defensive coordinator for BYU.

1875
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:58,239
Speaker 18: I mean, to me, he's just a great friend and teammate.

1876
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:04,279
Couldn't be couldn't be more excited for Kelly and the

1877
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:08,079
opportunities for him personally, and then also for the program

1878
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,880
and and just everything that it means. And it's just, uh,

1879
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:16,039
it's just cool to see somebody that that you you bled,

1880
01:29:16,199 --> 01:29:20,039
sweat and cried with on the battlefield twenty years ago

1881
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,640
to rise to this level. I mean, it's just so cool.

1882
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,199
One of one of the greatest times of my life

1883
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,600
was a two month period that I was training after

1884
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,720
after the senior right after our senior season in California,

1885
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,880
and I lived with Kelly and we were training and

1886
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:43,560
it was just it was one of the greatest times

1887
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,880
of my life because it was just it was so

1888
01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:51,039
fun to to have no other focus other than football,

1889
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,840
improving our bodies, and and then all the hope that was,

1890
01:29:56,079 --> 01:29:58,239
you know, the hope, just the hope of what was

1891
01:29:58,319 --> 01:30:00,600
hopefully to come for in the next couple months, and

1892
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,199
it was just such a fun time. I absolutely loved it.

1893
01:30:03,399 --> 01:30:06,600
And I've always loved Kelly, but that was that was

1894
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,359
just a fun time. And and it's been really really

1895
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,560
cool to see him progressed throughout his career, and I'm

1896
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,000
just excited for this opportunity.

1897
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kate Pop's got his opportunity, and I think he's

1898
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:22,199
gonna seize it. He's got a lot of mentors in

1899
01:30:22,279 --> 01:30:24,520
his life Afterally Bronco was a mentor of ours as well.

1900
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,800
He's going to take components of maybe the Bronco era

1901
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,119
what he learned at Virginia. He's got Gary Anderson J.

1902
01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:35,319
Hill touch points. Now it'll be probably a combination of

1903
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,079
of those coordinators. I'm sure there's other touch points as

1904
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:41,680
well that he's He's mentioned, and he's going to put

1905
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,680
his own flair to it. What type of defense do

1906
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,520
you think we'll see with K Pop? At the helm

1907
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:47,359
of that defense.

1908
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,199
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a great question. And while you were saying that,

1909
01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:54,520
it actually just made me think of something piggybacking off

1910
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,720
of what I just mentioned. You know, Kelly and I

1911
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,720
we went to this facility and we trained for two months,

1912
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:05,079
and it was it was revolutionary for me. I I

1913
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:07,159
the whole time I was in Provo, I was trying

1914
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,159
to gain weight and really couldn't do it. And then

1915
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,960
we go to this place. We're there for two months

1916
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,399
and I gained twelve pounds and my body fat went down.

1917
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,079
I mean just was and and really the difference was

1918
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:24,399
the science. Obviously, you know, you're you're working out twice

1919
01:31:24,399 --> 01:31:26,840
a day, so that that was different. But then beyond

1920
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,199
that was the science, the nutrition and the science. And

1921
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,000
anyway back out of the sign your question. So you know,

1922
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,439
Kelly and I were there for two months, and what

1923
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,399
did Kelly do? Kelly recorded the workouts and at that

1924
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,720
at that point in time, Kelly's plan, outside of trying

1925
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,119
to play football, was to go into the support science

1926
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:49,880
sports exercise science, yep, and either be a strength coach

1927
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,880
or a trainer or something in that in that realm.

1928
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,720
This was before he had decided to go into quating.

1929
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,600
Obviously he went, he went to the Cardinals and he

1930
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,359
was there for a year and and that. But this

1931
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,399
before any of that, and Kelly took notes of the workouts,

1932
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,720
understood the workouts. And when we got done training, we

1933
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,439
came home and and and still needed to train for

1934
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,920
for pro DA and and for the upcoming season, and

1935
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:18,199
Kelly had all the workouts, he had everything diagrammed. What's

1936
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:20,800
my point here, Kelly is the type of guy that

1937
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:26,840
is gonna he's gonna extract all the usefulness from his surroundings.

1938
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:29,880
So going back to what you said, Yeah, we were

1939
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,159
all mentored by Bronco and and some people are able

1940
01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:36,680
to extract what Bronco has to offer. And Kelly is

1941
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,000
the type of guy who absolutely did that. And and

1942
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:41,840
then and then you you know, you go to his

1943
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,960
time at Boise and he's the type to extract to

1944
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:46,439
useful information from Boise.

1945
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

1946
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 18: And then the last couple of years with Jay Hill,

1947
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,680
who is a phenomenal coach obviously, and I have the

1948
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,880
highest esteem for I think Kelly has extracted all of

1949
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,319
the information from him, and so I just that's why

1950
01:32:59,359 --> 01:33:01,960
I have such by expectations that hope for Kelly because

1951
01:33:02,199 --> 01:33:04,279
that's who he is as a person, and he has

1952
01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:07,119
that work ethic as well, and when you combine those

1953
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,119
things and then there's just high levels of possibility.

1954
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 3: One of the things that we've debated amongst fans, amongst

1955
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,439
maybe even former players, is you know what type of

1956
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:18,960
front will be why you be employing it?

1957
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,119
Speaker 4: And I'm sure it'll be multiple But this last year

1958
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:23,039
I was I was kind of I was.

1959
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 3: Trying to, you know, kind of look at the percentages

1960
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,560
and and I this is a rough count, but I

1961
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,640
got it confirmed by a few people there in the building.

1962
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,800
It was roughly uh, seventy thirty front with a stand

1963
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,199
up outside edge similar to what we played, but not

1964
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:40,760
always the weak side edge. You'd have a strong side

1965
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,399
edge stand up uh, you know, kind of like a

1966
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,600
now Sea time with baby Jack Kelly off that strong

1967
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:46,199
side edge.

1968
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 9: Uh.

1969
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 3: They they ran a lot of nickel too. They ran

1970
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:52,840
some like three three five in that out of that

1971
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,720
thirty front. A lot of us, you know, we've always wanted, Hey,

1972
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,760
we want to get in that forty front and b

1973
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,640
way fans want that at it and it's what Kyle's

1974
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,079
done and Jay did and Gary did it at Utah.

1975
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,600
I don't know if that's the future of Vau's defense

1976
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,560
or for it's more of this hybrid with a majority

1977
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,840
of it being you know, seventy sixty percent of it

1978
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,560
being more of a thirty front with a stand up

1979
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,640
outside edge two point guy, give me your thoughts on

1980
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:19,960
this and what you would like to see.

1981
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:26,239
Speaker 18: Honestly, I think that that stuff's important, But I think

1982
01:34:26,319 --> 01:34:32,399
what's most important is crafting your scheme to to the

1983
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,840
personnel that you have. And I think there's a lot

1984
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:42,239
of really clever and really X and O sound football

1985
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,720
coaches out there that are just stuck on their scheme

1986
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,239
or whatever it might be when they don't have the

1987
01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:52,760
personnel to run it. And and so you know, I

1988
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,239
personally I like a four down front, but like you know,

1989
01:34:57,319 --> 01:34:59,039
in order to in order to run that, you need

1990
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,439
you need the person to know and so so that

1991
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,960
that's what's going to come into play. They can recruit

1992
01:35:06,079 --> 01:35:08,399
who they can bring in and what type of guys

1993
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,640
they have, and I imagine that you know, Kelly will

1994
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,520
adapt this scheme to to the guys. And I think

1995
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,359
that's the reason why we've seen that in the last

1996
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:21,199
couple of years. And that's what I expect going forward

1997
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:24,399
is is, uh, you adapt. You adapt to your X

1998
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,520
and o's, to the Willies and the Joe's that you

1999
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:27,359
have on the roster.

2000
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,119
Speaker 3: Do you think we're gonna get to a point where

2001
01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:33,880
and I've made these these comments before, it's like, typically

2002
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,079
with the four down front, like you need you need

2003
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:40,520
some dogs, you need some dudes up there, like you know,

2004
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,760
watch that Texas Tech defense are front, but they have

2005
01:35:43,079 --> 01:35:44,960
they have two deep there too, So you have to

2006
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:48,199
have at least four dudes at defensive tackle that can

2007
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:49,600
win one on ones and be twitchy.

2008
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 4: You need four dudes at the defensive end.

2009
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,199
Speaker 3: Spot that are at that two fifty two sixty range

2010
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:58,159
that have great ability and great band or even just

2011
01:35:58,319 --> 01:36:02,119
ridiculous length, et cetera. Twitch It's like, are we going

2012
01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:04,399
to be able to find that as a you know,

2013
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:05,359
four round guys?

2014
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 4: Is that the most the most likely year in a

2015
01:36:08,119 --> 01:36:08,479
year out?

2016
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Or is it what we've seen over the last thirty

2017
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,239
forty years, b YU has been more LBU than it's

2018
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:20,560
been any other position. Quarterback, offensive line, running back. You know,

2019
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,520
it's it's tight end. We've had more LBUS. We produce

2020
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,800
more linebackers than we do any other position.

2021
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 18: In my opinion, Yeah, I agree with that, and I

2022
01:36:31,039 --> 01:36:33,600
think that has been our history, but I don't necessarily

2023
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,479
think that's our future, like meaning it's a given that

2024
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,079
that that will say the dream and so like to

2025
01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:42,920
the point that you were just making, I think if

2026
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,399
you look nationally, the two best defensive fronts in my

2027
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:54,960
opinion are Texas Tech and Miami and absolutely just traumatized

2028
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:59,600
quarterbacks with the with the pressure, with the pressure that

2029
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:03,079
they've bring and it's a that's a that's a that's

2030
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:05,920
a William Joe thing. That's just that's just dudes. That's

2031
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,800
not scheme, that's not you know, there's some of that

2032
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,760
that goes into it, but it's just those guys. Those

2033
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,800
guys are just dogs, like like you just mentioned the guy,

2034
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:17,640
the guys that those two two teams have, and I

2035
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,359
think now that going back to what we said with

2036
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,159
the willingness to allocate resources, I think I think those

2037
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,800
that type of dog is in play. And and it's

2038
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,560
still yeah, it's got to be a cultural fit and

2039
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,680
it's got to be an honor code fit and and

2040
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,840
all that stuff, but I think that's in play. I

2041
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,399
think it's it's available and could be on the horizon.

2042
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:39,680
I don't. I don't know if it's you know, I'm

2043
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,199
not predict predicting or or you know, but I think

2044
01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:46,600
that's in play and I think that that's the proven

2045
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:48,800
and in terms of disrupting the quarterback.

2046
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 11: I don't.

2047
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 18: I think that's that's the best way to do it.

2048
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,199
But again, you got to have those dogs and not

2049
01:37:53,279 --> 01:37:54,000
everybody has them.

2050
01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:58,079
Speaker 3: The transfer portal giveth and it takes away b What

2051
01:37:58,239 --> 01:37:58,800
use required?

2052
01:37:58,920 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 4: Seven guys?

2053
01:38:00,199 --> 01:38:00,319
Speaker 9: Right?

2054
01:38:00,399 --> 01:38:02,399
Speaker 4: Seven dudes? Three of them are offensive lineman.

2055
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 3: You did pick up a linebacker that could replace Jack

2056
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,199
Kelly and Kato Lave and all asc player that Vic Soda,

2057
01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:10,520
one of our teammates, coached up and he's a you know,

2058
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,000
Vick is a fantastic coach.

2059
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:14,359
Speaker 4: Okaiate's gonna come into ball out.

2060
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 3: Jake Clifton linebacker, Kansas State wide receiver, Kyle Casper and

2061
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:22,159
Uh Walker Lyons uh tight end at.

2062
01:38:22,039 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 4: A USC You know this roster. You watch a lot

2063
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:25,560
of football, Keel.

2064
01:38:26,119 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 3: You know, if you were to say, hey, there's a

2065
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,119
couple of positions or a couple acquisitions in a position

2066
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:31,680
group that you'd like to see, what are they and why?

2067
01:38:33,319 --> 01:38:33,520
Speaker 17: Yeah?

2068
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 18: So well, let's just go back to our season. Obviously

2069
01:38:37,079 --> 01:38:41,960
we lost to one team. Okay, we lost to Texas

2070
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,000
Tech twice. Why did we lose those games? I think

2071
01:38:46,079 --> 01:38:51,439
we were competitive enough to win Defensively, I think offensively

2072
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,359
we couldn't move the ball, couldn't couldn't generate the points

2073
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:59,319
competitively enough to win those games. Yep, Why why could

2074
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:02,159
we not? Why we Why could we score points on

2075
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:04,840
everybody else but not on Texas Tech? I think it

2076
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,560
was a matchup issue. I think that's part of the problem.

2077
01:39:09,039 --> 01:39:11,640
I think part of it was having a young freshman

2078
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,800
quarterback who had a phenomenal year of record setting year,

2079
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,560
just an extraordinary year, but still as a freshman and

2080
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:22,319
and you know, still a little nervous and you know,

2081
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,840
not not experienced, not a seasoned veteran to to to

2082
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,119
to go against the defense that suffocating. But then the

2083
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:32,680
other issue is and and we've talked about this, it's

2084
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:37,359
it's it's somebody who can create separation at will and

2085
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,119
stretch the field. And this is this is an issue

2086
01:39:40,119 --> 01:39:42,840
that b YU has always had. If you go back

2087
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:47,840
to our senior year, you know, we we are Our

2088
01:39:48,279 --> 01:39:51,560
big competition was TCU and Utah and and it was

2089
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:57,199
tough against those defenses with with athletic secondary for our

2090
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,439
receivers to create separation and and score the points that

2091
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,359
we scored on everybody else. And and when I watched

2092
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,920
us play Text and Tech twice, that's what I that's

2093
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,039
what my mind went back to. Is the receiver quarterbacks

2094
01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:11,039
back there and there's nowhere to go with the ball.

2095
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:13,079
There's just where you're gonna go with the ball, and

2096
01:40:13,159 --> 01:40:15,640
you wants it from the wide angle, there's just nowhere

2097
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,680
to go with the ball. And it's it's we need,

2098
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,640
we need more guys that can create separation, and that

2099
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,560
that's the one thing I think that we'll really take

2100
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,520
our team to the next level in my humble opinion.

2101
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 4: So separation in the wide receiver room.

2102
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,079
Speaker 3: Separation can occur from like a tight end, right Walker

2103
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Lions come from usc possibly Carson Ryan had a pretty

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01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:42,119
good year, you know it. But but running backs too

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01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:45,000
can create separation. I mean, Harvey and Curtis, we're really

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01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:48,079
good at their one on ones, right, you know, to

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01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:49,760
kind of get break down a little bit more of

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this separation. Uh, And where it comes from? Is it

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01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:55,399
primarily thinking your your wide receiver room?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I think in terms of that's not the

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01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,479
only place where separation comes. In terms of what I

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think our team is currently missing and has historically missed,

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01:41:05,359 --> 01:41:07,920
it is that position. It's a guy, it's a it's

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01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,199
a it's just a top end receiver who can stretch

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the field and and and stress the defense. And you know,

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that's that's something that we really haven't ever had elite

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01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:28,319
consistency consistently. And today, you know, the game of football

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01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,439
is all about that player, that that wide receiver one

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01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:35,479
that that that stresses the defense. But the decordinator is

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at night late seeking how can I stop this guy.

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01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:41,880
If I don't account for this guy, it's going to

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01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,600
burn us. And and it just changes the game when

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01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,840
you have that guy. You know, that guy doesn't even

2124
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,479
need to get the ball. He doesn't even need to

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01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:53,920
have eight for ten and a touchdown he took to

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01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:56,720
change the game. It's just the threat of that guy.

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01:41:57,279 --> 01:41:59,960
And that opens everything up. But it'll opens it creates

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01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:02,920
separation for the other receivers, and it opens up the

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01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,000
running game so that the running game is not jet

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01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:07,079
so so jammed up. And if you go back to

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01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:11,359
those those two Texas Tech losses, part of our issue

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,079
was we could not run the ball. We ran the

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01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:16,000
ball great on everybody else, if we could not run

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01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:18,960
the ball against those guys, and it it, you know,

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01:42:19,159 --> 01:42:22,319
stymied up the rest of our offense. And so they

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01:42:22,399 --> 01:42:25,600
go hand in hand. And I think for us to

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really get to the next level, which is what's what's

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01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,920
what's the next level, it's getting in the playoff and

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01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,560
winning playoff games. That's the next level. And in order

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to do that, I think that's what we need.

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Speaker 3: Brian Kiel former, by you great talking some BYU football

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01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:42,279
here on your Utah ESPN Radio network. Last thing before

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01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:44,760
we let you go, Keel Zone, appreciate you hopping on

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01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,880
talking some ball with me today and excited to see

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01:42:48,399 --> 01:42:50,920
you know what, b why You not only retain most

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01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,199
of their most of their roster, all their key players,

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01:42:53,239 --> 01:42:55,960
but they also retain their offensive coordinator, all their offensive coaches.

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01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:59,399
They lost J Hill and General. Those were two big losses,

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01:42:59,399 --> 01:43:03,119
there's no doubt out. But much of everything that makes

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01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:06,880
b why You great over the last five years is retained,

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01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:09,479
and so I think it leans into your golden era

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01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:14,520
initial commentary. It's like, man, that's special right that we're

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01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,840
trending in that direction and that all this retention is

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01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,079
happening while all the new resources are coming in. And

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01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:24,920
so next season, do you think, b why you can

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01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:26,800
be better? Do you think they will be better than

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01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:27,479
they were this year?

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01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,199
Speaker 18: Honestly, I do. I think they will take a step

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01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:35,039
forward to en be better. I think I think with

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everything that you just mentioned, it just it gives me

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01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:43,560
confidence that, honestly, that I really don't know that I've

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01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,680
had before. You know it, it's always just kind of

2163
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,159
like a wait and hope for the next season. But

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01:43:49,359 --> 01:43:53,079
I think we're at a point now where it's this

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01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:57,960
expectations and if you look at the premiere programs in

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01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:02,479
the country, which is where we want to get. I mean,

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01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,600
it's it is year after a year, it's just a

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given that they're going to be competing on the biggest stage.

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01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:14,600
And and I think that's I mean, we're not there

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01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,880
yet obviously, but that's where I think we're capable of

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01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,720
getting where I want to get, where I think all

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01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,960
the decision makers down there want to get. And so

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01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:24,760
that that's what it is. It's this year and and

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01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,680
year out, it's it's expecting the most and then doing

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01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,800
what it takes to then go deliver it. So yeah,

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01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,079
I do. I expect us to be to pick up

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01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:38,279
right where we left off and take a big step forward.

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01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:41,560
And the biggest piece of that is that young freshman

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01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:43,960
quarterback who is phenomenal is now going to be a

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01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:49,119
second year quarterback and have a year of live bullets

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01:44:49,279 --> 01:44:51,239
under his belt. And I think he's just going to

2182
01:44:51,279 --> 01:44:54,319
be that much better. And that's that's why I'm excited

2183
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:55,359
and so optimistic.

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01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 3: Actually, I have one the last question for as debating

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01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,960
with John about this recently, is weight gain for a

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01:45:02,039 --> 01:45:06,880
quarterback good or not good for their throwing strength. We

2187
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:09,119
talked to Bear Bachmeyer. You know, he's a hefty dude.

2188
01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:11,399
He's a hefty dude, right, He's got he's got some

2189
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:12,079
girth to him.

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01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 4: He was listed I think at two twenty and then

2191
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,560
it was moved to like two thirty.

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01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 3: Man, he looked like he was. He was rumbling around

2193
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:24,239
at like two forty this season. Should he drop weight,

2194
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,279
gain weight, keep his weight the same? What do you

2195
01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:29,279
think and what type of impact does it have on

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01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,039
throw and arm strength?

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01:45:32,279 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 18: I think whatever weight he was at he should try

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01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,720
to hold. And if I were this is just me,

2199
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,119
if I was him, I think he should maybe try

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01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:48,720
to lean up at that weight, and that is more

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01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,920
for elusiveness and wiggle than anything else.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 18: In terms of in terms of throwing the ball, I

2204
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,359
don't think weight, I don't, It doesn't matter. It's just

2205
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:05,319
that's tour and leverage and mechanics and that's I don't

2206
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:08,960
think that's gonna factor in, uh, in throwing the ball,

2207
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,880
because I mean, there's there's hefty quarterbacks, there's skinny quarterbacks.

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01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,680
I mean, I've I've seen something. Some of the skinniest

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01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:21,720
quarterbacks absolutely have rifles for arms. And I played with one.

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01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:26,520
Sam Bradford was a was you know, the look the

2211
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,880
look at the guy was a wet noodle, but he

2212
01:46:29,039 --> 01:46:35,079
had an absolute cannon on his shoulder, and you know,

2213
01:46:35,159 --> 01:46:37,039
and then and then there's the other end of the

2214
01:46:37,079 --> 01:46:39,720
spectral too, So I don't think that matters. But elusiveness,

2215
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,640
I think, uh, if you lean that up and develop that,

2216
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,199
I mean, how old is Barr's eighteen? Is he nineteen

2217
01:46:49,159 --> 01:46:51,720
something like that? I mean, yeah, he's just you're not

2218
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,039
your explosiveness is not it's not maxed out at that age,

2219
01:46:55,239 --> 01:46:58,399
like you know, that's he's still got several years of

2220
01:46:59,279 --> 01:47:03,720
of expl elosive increase and you'll twitch multile fiber and

2221
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:06,359
and so that's the stuff Like if I was him,

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01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:09,760
that's what I would focus on. And and it's going back.

2223
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:14,039
It's for elusiveness, for es capability be the best quarterbacks,

2224
01:47:14,359 --> 01:47:17,920
the best quarterbacks in today's football. They control it and

2225
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,920
they can get away mhm. And that that takes. That

2226
01:47:22,039 --> 01:47:23,079
takes a capability.

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01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 4: So keel Zone, best way to support you what you do,

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01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,760
how you do it for all of our listeners.

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01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 18: Just support by U. That's all I care about.

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01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:36,119
Speaker 4: It's all you care about. No, you're an entrepreneur. What

2231
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:38,239
businesses you run in these days? Keel Zone.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, go koogs gokug That's what That's what matters.

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01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 4: Love it Kel, appreciate you man.

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Speaker 3: Support Brigham Baby support uh Brigham Young University.

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Speaker 4: There you have it, kill Zone, Thanks so much, buddy.

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01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 18: Amen, Ye, thank you sir.

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Speaker 4: All Right, there you go. That's Brian Keel.

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Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in Cougar Sports

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insider representing the Desert News. We got Jay Drew on

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the line.

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01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,199
Speaker 17: Jay, Hey you Livin, I'm doing fantastic.

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01:49:56,079 --> 01:50:00,079
Speaker 3: It's a great day to talk some BYU football and

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01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:04,000
BYU basketball. Jay, where's your Where's your bandwidth been allocated

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01:50:04,039 --> 01:50:05,199
over the last couple of weeks?

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01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:10,359
Speaker 17: I would say mostly the wards basketball. I am working

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01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:14,640
on a football story right now, but a couple actually,

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01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,239
But yeah, basketball's taken up a lot of my time

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01:50:17,319 --> 01:50:20,680
and and not to lubb it on Saturday morning for

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01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:25,159
the that game, so that'll even keep me more involved

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01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:29,039
with EU basketball. But then looking forward to next week

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01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:31,600
when YU has a kind of the midweek by they

2292
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:35,039
don't play until Saturday against Utah, so that'll be a

2293
01:50:35,079 --> 01:50:37,039
little bit more time to get back into football a

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01:50:37,079 --> 01:50:39,600
little bit. So that's kind of where I am right now.

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01:50:40,279 --> 01:50:45,119
Speaker 3: Basketball, bou your ranks tenth in ESPN's latest men's basketball

2296
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:49,359
power rankings. The Apple hasn't been so friendly to BYU.

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01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 4: What gives J Drew?

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01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:53,399
Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: I think the media voters, guys and gals that vote

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01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:01,239
on that probably looking at the the game against Utah

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01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:04,319
where BYU was a you know, double digit favorite and

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01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:09,920
only one by five. I think that might have nicked

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01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,720
them a little bit. And I think that, let me,

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01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:14,640
let's face it, up until that point, a couple of

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01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:16,560
other teams kind of elite frogged them. I think it

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01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:21,359
was Nebraska and Villanova, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah,

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01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,319
there's just so many elite teams this year. There's so

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01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,479
many teams with zero or one laws that it's just

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01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:31,640
hard to break into that top ten. There's it's just

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01:51:32,079 --> 01:51:34,239
it's this is as many good teams as I can

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01:51:34,319 --> 01:51:36,720
remember in a long time in college basketball.

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Speaker 4: Great players, great teams.

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01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 3: This BYU basketball team the best in BYU basketball history?

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01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:45,359
Speaker 4: Do you think are you willing to go on record

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01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:45,640
on that?

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01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 17: I would say it's the most talented I don't think

2317
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:53,439
it's the most accomplished yet. Uh So when you say

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01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,840
you know best, I you know, until they get to

2319
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,960
the lead eight like that Danny H Steve Trumbull, Fred

2320
01:51:59,039 --> 01:52:02,560
Roberts team did. Was it nineteen eighty eighty one?

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01:52:03,159 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 12: I think.

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01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:08,359
Speaker 17: I'm not ready to go that far. In fact, I'm

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01:52:08,399 --> 01:52:11,039
not even sure. We were talking about this last night,

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01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:15,119
Darnell and me. If this team is better than last

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01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:19,880
year's team, obviously, with Rob and AJ, they're probably more talented,

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01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,600
but man, last year you had Foof who was a

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01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:26,840
really good low post scorer, Dollen Hall was a valuable

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01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:31,000
guy off the bench, Dawson Baker was healthy, and then

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01:52:31,039 --> 01:52:34,039
obviously you had Yegor, who you know, was really turning

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01:52:34,079 --> 01:52:37,000
ahead to the NBA right now. So I think it's

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01:52:37,079 --> 01:52:37,920
more talented this.

2332
01:52:38,079 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 10: Year than last.

2333
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:43,319
Speaker 17: But until this group does what last year's group did,

2334
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,199
which was get to the Sweet sixteen, I'm I'm gonna

2335
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:47,800
have to say the jury's out on that one.

2336
01:52:48,359 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is missing do you think from this roster?

2337
01:52:52,319 --> 01:52:54,199
If you could put your finger on it, what's missing?

2338
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:58,960
Is it a particular style, particular you know, you know,

2339
01:52:59,319 --> 01:53:00,800
type of play, What do you make of it?

2340
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,399
Speaker 17: I think they're missing a sniper, a guy off the

2341
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,960
bench that can come in like Trevin Nell did last year,

2342
01:53:07,359 --> 01:53:10,399
hit a bunch of threes in a row. You know,

2343
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:14,079
they were obviously counting on Tyler Maruss and to do that.

2344
01:53:14,319 --> 01:53:17,960
And then obviously with Dawson Baker and Nate Pickens getting

2345
01:53:18,039 --> 01:53:22,399
hurt and suffering season ending injuries, that's hurt him a lot.

2346
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,920
But I would just say, I just don't know if

2347
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:30,520
the Big three is sustainable moving forward of scoring, you know,

2348
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,600
almost what is at seventy percent of their points. They

2349
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:37,000
just need some other scoring from somewhere off the bench.

2350
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,319
Just one of those guys that can just instant offense

2351
01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:45,600
type of guy. Maybe his substitute a little defense. I'm

2352
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,279
not saying that Dawson Baker was not a great defender,

2353
01:53:48,319 --> 01:53:50,720
because he was adequate, but a guy that can just

2354
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,119
come in like he did and give you some points

2355
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:57,319
and or like Trevan Nell did, and I just don't

2356
01:53:57,399 --> 01:54:02,039
see that right now. Maybe Davis can pick up offensively

2357
01:54:02,079 --> 01:54:05,000
a little bit. He obviously averaged eighteen points a game

2358
01:54:05,039 --> 01:54:07,439
at Southern Illinois last year, so we're kind of still

2359
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:10,920
waiting for that. And granted, you know he's not gonna

2360
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,640
get the ball. He's not going to be priority one

2361
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,640
when you got three superstars on your team. But but yeah,

2362
01:54:17,039 --> 01:54:19,159
that's where I think they need just they need something

2363
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,960
off the bench. They need I would I haven't looked

2364
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,840
it up, but I bet they're one of the ten

2365
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:29,079
least productive benches in the country or somewhere in that range,

2366
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:32,760
or maybe ten percent in that range of teams, so

2367
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:34,439
that that's where they really need some help.

2368
01:54:34,479 --> 01:54:37,439
Speaker 3: If yes, me is there anyone that is on the

2369
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,880
roster currently that you could that you think could step

2370
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:44,199
into that role and become that bench bucket getter for BYU.

2371
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,159
Speaker 17: You know, I mentioned that Tyler Morass had a good

2372
01:54:49,279 --> 01:54:55,279
career up in Idaho. I know the costitch is it.

2373
01:54:55,439 --> 01:55:00,119
Alexis Alex Alexi. He showed a few signs early in

2374
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:03,000
the season pre seasons on conference. I don't think we've

2375
01:55:03,039 --> 01:55:06,279
seen him on the court for quite a while. Uh So, no,

2376
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,439
I you know, I mean, it's totally frank with you.

2377
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,239
I don't. I just don't see it. I just they're

2378
01:55:11,319 --> 01:55:13,880
just gonna have to ride or die with with uh

2379
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,960
they got one of the best starting fives in college basketball.

2380
01:55:17,039 --> 01:55:20,800
It's not the best with you know, especially when Keba

2381
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,279
is going good and out of foul trouble. But there's

2382
01:55:24,439 --> 01:55:28,760
just a big drop off now. And you know, obviously

2383
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,840
all Matt has come in and been a good valuable

2384
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:35,239
back up to Cada, really valuable because Cada gets in

2385
01:55:35,319 --> 01:55:38,399
foul trouble a lot. But he's not a type of

2386
01:55:38,439 --> 01:55:40,159
guy that's going to fill up the you know, the

2387
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:45,399
basket with points for you. So yeah, Frankly, I don't,

2388
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:47,600
you know, I don't want to be a negative Nelly.

2389
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:49,039
I don't want to be an e or I want

2390
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:51,399
to be positive, as we've gone over in the past.

2391
01:55:51,479 --> 01:55:54,000
But I don't know what about you guys, who do

2392
01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:56,520
you see maybe is on that bench that could do that.

2393
01:55:57,279 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I keep on leading into Mahilo bucket bitch.

2394
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,359
I'm like, like, you're better than this, bro, Step up, bro,

2395
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,800
get it, get it straight. Like you have the skill set,

2396
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:09,079
you have the ability to do so much defensively offensively,

2397
01:56:09,239 --> 01:56:12,199
got to be that stretch five. Obviously you can block shots.

2398
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,920
You've seen that pretty consistently over the last couple of games.

2399
01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:17,720
He's got good length. He's never seen a shot he

2400
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:20,439
doesn't like. He's just got to get that stroke back.

2401
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,159
And also, you know, have a head on a swivel,

2402
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:27,159
be a distributor when given the opportunity. When if he

2403
01:56:27,279 --> 01:56:30,920
does start hitting, you know, defenses will collapse. I'm looking

2404
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:32,880
at my Hilo bucket Vich. I've been saying this from

2405
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,560
the beginning. We need myhi low to be my highlight

2406
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:38,720
bucket VICH. If he's not, I agree with you, we're

2407
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:40,399
going to struggle in the NCAA tournament.

2408
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, And to be fair, he did have a huge

2409
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,840
bucket last night in that second half, a huge three

2410
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,800
pointer that really got him going, like Kevin said, when

2411
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,800
they were struggling a little bit to score. So I

2412
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:56,199
agree with you, Ben, I think it's in him. If

2413
01:56:56,239 --> 01:56:59,239
you look at you know, his playover in Europe and

2414
01:57:00,039 --> 01:57:03,159
in leagues, and that he could do that. He's definitely

2415
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:07,359
got that ability. I wrote a story about him last

2416
01:57:07,359 --> 01:57:09,920
week and had a good conversation with him, and I

2417
01:57:10,079 --> 01:57:12,359
think it's just with him. It's just a confidence thing.

2418
01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:15,920
I think he knows he can do it. But I

2419
01:57:16,039 --> 01:57:17,760
think he gets in there and he gets a little

2420
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,960
bit worried about what happens if I missed? Am I

2421
01:57:20,039 --> 01:57:24,239
going to get pulled? And that's just every college basketball

2422
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,159
player goes through that. It's just something you have to

2423
01:57:26,199 --> 01:57:29,279
work through. But I definitely think he has the potential

2424
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,399
to be honest with you, When I was just talking

2425
01:57:31,399 --> 01:57:33,960
about guys, I kind of forgot about him a little

2426
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,680
bit because I picture him more of a as an

2427
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:40,119
inside player, although he does step out and shoot threes

2428
01:57:41,439 --> 01:57:42,039
quite often.

2429
01:57:43,319 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2430
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 3: How devastating do you think now that we know what

2431
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:49,319
we know? How devastated was that Dawson Baker injury?

2432
01:57:50,439 --> 01:57:51,199
Speaker 4: Hate that one.

2433
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,119
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it's big. I hope it's not the

2434
01:57:55,159 --> 01:57:59,159
difference between you know, last year Sweet sixteen and their

2435
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,039
state goal of final four or beyond, but it very

2436
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,760
melt very well might be. I mean, that could be

2437
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,479
the difference. He's you know, Dawson was the what do

2438
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:10,760
they call him the bucket maker?

2439
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 3: I call him Dawson the bucket the bucket baker, the

2440
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,000
bucket getter baker, That's.

2441
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 4: What I called. Yeah.

2442
01:58:18,479 --> 01:58:22,159
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's just sad because that was a huge injury

2443
01:58:22,439 --> 01:58:25,279
and uh it's probably the repercussions are going to be

2444
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,520
felt for for quite some time.

2445
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,399
Speaker 3: J Drew desrat News here on your Utah ESPN Ready

2446
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:35,199
Network discussing b what you men's basketball and uh uh

2447
01:58:35,359 --> 01:58:39,199
b y U athletics and b yu's trending in an

2448
01:58:39,239 --> 01:58:43,359
awesome direction right now in both football and basketball, and uh,

2449
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:48,000
you know, I feel like football, Uh, their retention efforts.

2450
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 4: Were pretty pivotal.

2451
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 3: Uh, everyone was fearful what Jay Hill and Gennaro with

2452
01:58:55,279 --> 01:58:58,319
their departures. You did retain Gary Anderson, but you lost

2453
01:58:58,359 --> 01:59:02,600
two key cogs in uh in the wheel that really

2454
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:03,359
made b Why you.

2455
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 4: Go over the last two seasons?

2456
01:59:06,359 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 3: Uh, what how would you evaluate the retention efforts of

2457
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,319
this coaching staff and the culture that Collotte's built.

2458
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:20,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think the retention rate it's been fabulous. I mean, uh,

2459
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,279
you know, there are a few guys that have left

2460
01:59:23,319 --> 01:59:27,000
that maybe could have helped them. Max Alford. Uh, somebody

2461
01:59:27,079 --> 01:59:29,920
on X accuse me of being a Max Alford lover,

2462
01:59:30,079 --> 01:59:33,159
but I just think, you know, I thought I was

2463
01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:35,039
a valuable contributor when he got in there, and he

2464
01:59:35,079 --> 01:59:36,600
helped him out a lot until he got hurt.

2465
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 19: So Uh.

2466
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 17: Of course he's going to Michigan to be reunited with

2467
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,239
his uncle, who's the running backs coach there, Tony Alford.

2468
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,479
But I would give I would give him an A

2469
01:59:47,399 --> 01:59:51,520
A minus maybe B plus uh range for roster retention.

2470
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,000
It's in fact, I got a good mine A. I mean,

2471
01:59:54,039 --> 01:59:56,640
I can't think of one, especially in the day and

2472
01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:00,680
age where everybody's losing guys. I mean we're talking about everybody,

2473
02:00:01,239 --> 02:00:06,239
Uh even Texas Tech. To only lose what they've lost

2474
02:00:06,279 --> 02:00:09,239
eleven so far and no starters, it's been pretty it's

2475
02:00:09,279 --> 02:00:11,239
been pretty great, no.

2476
02:00:11,319 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 4: Doubt about it.

2477
02:00:12,199 --> 02:00:12,319
Speaker 11: Uh.

2478
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,079
Speaker 3: Which one are you most optimistic about here in the

2479
02:00:15,159 --> 02:00:17,800
next few years? Is it basketball? Is it football?

2480
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 4: Which one has the better trajectory right now in sustainability,

2481
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:21,720
do you.

2482
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 17: Think, Yeah, I definitely think it's football. You know, you

2483
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:31,680
got fair back Niner, you got some really good up

2484
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:36,000
and coming players, Tatsuwalla, it's basketball. You know, it's the

2485
02:00:36,119 --> 02:00:39,520
one and done. H You know, obviously aj is probably

2486
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:42,079
not going to be back here next year. Uh, he's

2487
02:00:42,079 --> 02:00:45,239
a generational talent. I just don't see by you getting

2488
02:00:45,279 --> 02:00:49,079
a guy like that every year. So Rob Wright, who

2489
02:00:49,159 --> 02:00:51,840
knows what he's gonna do, but he's obviously a great talent,

2490
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:55,479
and they'll they'll lose Richie. I don't really see anybody

2491
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,680
in the pipeline coming up, at least on the roster

2492
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,199
is now constituted, that can replace any of those big

2493
02:01:02,279 --> 02:01:04,560
three guys. So so yeah, I would have to lean

2494
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:10,279
towards football. It's, you know, football. It seems like a

2495
02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:15,439
really solid foundation. They're developmental. They got not only bringing

2496
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:19,920
in valuable transfer portal guys, kind of more plug in guys.

2497
02:01:20,399 --> 02:01:24,000
But the basis of this program is and the culture

2498
02:01:24,039 --> 02:01:28,520
of this program is still getting guys developing them. A

2499
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:32,039
guy like Parker Kingston who just gets better every year.

2500
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:35,960
Satuala has got a lot better. You go just down

2501
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:40,199
the list. So I think football, I would say, has

2502
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:43,880
a better trajectory right now because of the nature of

2503
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:48,399
the beast I mean basketball. All throughout college basketball, it's

2504
02:01:48,479 --> 02:01:51,960
like the Kentucky and the Dukes and byus kind of

2505
02:01:52,039 --> 02:01:55,680
joining those is using one and done players, and that's

2506
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,199
kind of hard to sustain from year to year to

2507
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:03,560
maintain a high level of excellent as as football, I

2508
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:07,239
think you can do once you get that foundation's set

2509
02:02:07,359 --> 02:02:08,079
like BYU have.

2510
02:02:09,279 --> 02:02:10,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.

2511
02:02:10,319 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 3: It feels like bou basketball is more I don't even

2512
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:15,439
know if this is a word like uh mercenario, Like

2513
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:18,640
it's all it's based on more like acquisition via the

2514
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:21,920
portal UH and maybe recruiting. I mean AJ is a

2515
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:26,399
refreshman UH and football seemingly is more retention base.

2516
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:28,079
Speaker 4: It's more uh.

2517
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:33,479
Speaker 3: Developmental based UH in a get old, stayaled manner.

2518
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 4: It seems like a little bit different. I'm not to

2519
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:38,039
say that there wasn't retention.

2520
02:02:38,279 --> 02:02:43,039
Speaker 3: There was with Ritchie and and Dawson and Mihailo and others,

2521
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,439
but it does seem like there's a little bit more

2522
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:49,439
mercenarial type of activity in basketball.

2523
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:52,279
Speaker 20: Yeah, for sure.

2524
02:02:52,319 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 17: I often wonder, you know, Mark Polp's been a little

2525
02:02:55,680 --> 02:02:58,960
heat down there at Kentucky in his second year, and

2526
02:02:59,039 --> 02:03:01,960
I always wonder of what if Richie had and he

2527
02:03:02,119 --> 02:03:04,079
was close to going to Kentucky. What if Richie had

2528
02:03:04,119 --> 02:03:07,520
gone to Kentucky, What would the trajectory of these two

2529
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:11,399
programs are where they are right now? I mean, yeah,

2530
02:03:11,439 --> 02:03:15,479
I think I just think that was a whoever convinced

2531
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:18,079
Richie to stay, and I guess it was Kevin Young.

2532
02:03:18,119 --> 02:03:21,399
I'm not positive that was huge. That's absolutely huge and

2533
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:27,520
really changed two programs pretty pretty uh, pretty immensely.

2534
02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 3: You wonder like the type of impact that Richie would

2535
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,399
have had the last two years at Kentucky, does it

2536
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:40,199
get Kentucky last year to an elite eight because the

2537
02:03:40,319 --> 02:03:44,399
Todd Kings going off does does the that Kentucky team

2538
02:03:44,439 --> 02:03:46,079
that has struggled a little bit this year have a

2539
02:03:46,199 --> 02:03:52,359
leader to look towards, to be a stabilizing force, a creator,

2540
02:03:52,439 --> 02:03:56,760
a facilitator, a culture guy, a glue guy with playmaking

2541
02:03:56,840 --> 02:04:01,319
ability to get them into you know, to keep them,

2542
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:05,039
you know, in that elite status of college basketball. So

2543
02:04:05,279 --> 02:04:08,199
really point of commentary, and obviously we know what he's

2544
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,239
done for BYU over the last two seasons.

2545
02:04:10,279 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 4: He's been a massive boon. I think you're right, man,

2546
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,000
that's like a keystone.

2547
02:04:15,319 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 3: It would have been a keystone for either one of

2548
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:21,760
the programs, and luckily BYU retained the top king.

2549
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:27,560
Speaker 17: Yeah, for sure, it's I mean you kind of look

2550
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,039
at Colin Chandler and the height that he got out

2551
02:04:30,079 --> 02:04:32,760
of high school and coming and by you got him,

2552
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:34,159
and then he went on the mission and obviously he

2553
02:04:34,279 --> 02:04:39,199
went called Pope to Kentucky. But the Richie Thaunders story

2554
02:04:39,359 --> 02:04:42,720
is pretty amazing. I mean, you know, when he signed

2555
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:45,640
with BYU out of watchach Anatomy and then obviously went

2556
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:49,000
on a mission. But I'll bet very very few BYU

2557
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:52,880
fans could have realized just how good this kid could get.

2558
02:04:53,159 --> 02:04:55,000
I know I did, and I watched him as freshman

2559
02:04:55,079 --> 02:04:57,960
year even at BYU, and you know, that's a role

2560
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:02,439
player for life. So the Richie Thunders story, it's going

2561
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:04,880
to be a good movie someday, and obviously it'll be

2562
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:05,760
sponsored by.

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02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:10,399
Speaker 3: Tater Talk, no doubt about it, Jay Drew, Ladies and gentlemen, Jay, Jesus,

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02:05:10,479 --> 02:05:11,920
what are you going to be writing about here? Surely

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02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:14,520
what's going to be dropping on the Desert News website?

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02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:18,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mentioned I'm going to LOVEX, so I'll be

2567
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:22,000
writing about that game. But then next week earlier, I'm

2568
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,239
writing this thing kind kind of like a history of

2569
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:30,359
historical perspective of that week where Kyle Whittingham signed with

2570
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:33,319
Michigan and all that transpired. I'm kind of calling it

2571
02:05:33,479 --> 02:05:36,640
the week that shook the college football landscape in Utah

2572
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,640
with all the repercussions. I mean, it touched every program

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02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:44,159
in the state. We were stay Son, Utah, Utah State.

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02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,039
Just one man's decision and all that kind of weaving

2575
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:52,840
that tale of and following those shock waves, trying to

2576
02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:56,079
trying to write about that and called a couple of

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02:05:56,319 --> 02:06:01,000
old buddies Kurk Kragthorpe from the Old Salt tributing columnists

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02:06:01,039 --> 02:06:05,079
and Mike Sorenson and tapping into Dick Harmon's kind of

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02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,840
knowledge and trying to weave kind of kind of like

2580
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,960
almost like a written history, oral history of a week

2581
02:06:12,079 --> 02:06:16,239
that will really reverberate for years and years in Utah

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02:06:16,279 --> 02:06:17,680
college football, no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt about it. Jdrew.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Jay, we appreciate you, We salute you man.

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Thanks for hopping on for Cougar Beat.

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Speaker 17: My pleasure thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 4: That's Jdrew.

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It is time to reb between the lines. I want

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to get into a few sound by step we didn't

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02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:46,159
get into a few days ago. When Kelly Pepinka was

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02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:49,279
announced as the defensive coordinator for BYU, we had Brian

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Keel the Keels One, former BYU linebacker, former Boa You're

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02:07:53,079 --> 02:07:56,000
great discuss what he what he knew, what he knows

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02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:58,159
about k Pop, his relationship with K Pop, and why

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he believes K Pop was the right guy for the job.

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Speaker 4: Is great.

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Speaker 3: Download the podcast as you get a minute and a

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review that interview. So I was like I was kind

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02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:07,720
of thinking, like I was pondering, like, hey, you know,

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K Pop had a great interview with b Way Sports Station.

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We need to reach out to the BAU s I D.

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We need to get to Mario and k Pop on

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to discuss the future. Maybe you're trying to get Gary

2628
02:08:16,279 --> 02:08:18,479
Anderson on to discuss the future of the BAU defense

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02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:22,439
under the tutelage, the mentorship of the leadership and vision

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of those three individual alongside Justin Ena Chad K. I

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02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:29,359
think coach Chad k is also going to be part

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02:08:29,399 --> 02:08:32,439
of that as well. So very excited about it. But

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we're gonna delve into a few of the sound bites,

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Speaker 4: All right, check this out.

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Speaker 3: Kay Pop joined the PWAU Sports Nation this past week

2662
02:09:53,159 --> 02:09:57,319
and delved into a few elements like this one was interesting.

2663
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He states, I feel like I I've been prepared for

2664
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:04,600
this moment for a long time. Let's listen and as

2665
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:07,439
K Pop discusses his emotions on being named the new

2666
02:10:07,479 --> 02:10:10,159
defensive coordinator of Bringing Me On University, which.

2667
02:10:10,039 --> 02:10:14,640
Speaker 19: When I say, b YU defensive coordinator Kelly popinga what

2668
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:18,840
kind of emotions settle into your mind. I just feel

2669
02:10:19,159 --> 02:10:24,199
extremely honored, blessed. I feel like I've been prepared for

2670
02:10:24,319 --> 02:10:26,439
this moment for a long time, going back to my

2671
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:29,640
playing days with with Bronco and my coaching days with

2672
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:33,800
Bronco and just his defensive mind. And then I got

2673
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,279
a credit you know, Coach Howell and coach Tidwell and

2674
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:38,159
coach Kafusi, those guys that I was around for a

2675
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:40,960
long time, and then just my time to Virginia and

2676
02:10:41,039 --> 02:10:44,680
then getting here with Klane. Yeah, I've just learned an

2677
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,640
a lot from him, a lot from Jay Jay was

2678
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,800
you know, great mentoring this deal, and coach Anderson as well,

2679
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:52,039
Gary Anderson. So I just feel like there's been a

2680
02:10:52,119 --> 02:10:54,720
lot of people put in my path along the way

2681
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:56,479
that have really prepared me for this moment. And so

2682
02:10:56,600 --> 02:11:00,239
they'll be Yeah, the defense will be I think, you know,

2683
02:11:00,439 --> 02:11:02,279
maybe a little taste of Bronco in there, a little

2684
02:11:02,319 --> 02:11:04,399
taste of what we've done last year. I mean, I've

2685
02:11:04,439 --> 02:11:06,600
just learned so much, but the base of the defense

2686
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,920
will be what it's been, and I'd be an idiot.

2687
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:10,920
Speaker 5: To change much of what we were doing.

2688
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:12,520
Speaker 19: But there'll be a little thing here and there, But

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02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:17,439
I'm just excited and honored for just the opportunity and grateful.

2690
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 3: Coach when I say excited for the opportunity, grateful that opportunity.

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02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,199
Speaker 4: The base of the defense ain't gonna change much.

2692
02:11:24,279 --> 02:11:28,600
Speaker 3: There'll be some nuances, some subtleties, but k Pop taking

2693
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:31,119
the bull by the horns, and we're going to see

2694
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:32,119
where he takes us here.

2695
02:11:33,159 --> 02:11:34,039
Speaker 4: A couple of things here.

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02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,479
Speaker 3: One of the things that BYU fans and former players

2697
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:42,039
have been impressed by is the retention of the coaching

2698
02:11:42,119 --> 02:11:44,840
staff as well as the players. You lost two great

2699
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:48,720
coaches in Gennaro in Jay Hill, but the players has

2700
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:49,680
stayed in provo.

2701
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:50,439
Speaker 4: Why is that?

2702
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 3: Kelly Papinga discussed this a couple of days ago on

2703
02:11:54,840 --> 02:11:57,760
how they were able to retain so many of the

2704
02:11:57,840 --> 02:11:59,880
key players that were on the ross.

2705
02:12:00,279 --> 02:12:01,199
Speaker 4: Let's see what he had to say.

2706
02:12:05,439 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 19: One of those days where it was constant talk to

2707
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:10,600
the players, letting them know. And at the time, I

2708
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,199
hadn't been offered the job, but I was, you know,

2709
02:12:12,279 --> 02:12:14,840
Clanie and I had been talking of that whole day

2710
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:16,199
and just kind of feeling the way I knew I

2711
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:16,560
was staying.

2712
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,079
Speaker 7: I wasn't going anywhere, and so you know.

2713
02:12:19,159 --> 02:12:21,800
Speaker 19: As just a defensive coach, I wanted to keep us

2714
02:12:22,039 --> 02:12:24,239
all together as much as I could. And so you know,

2715
02:12:24,399 --> 02:12:28,319
calling foll it t out immediately and Schmid immediately, and

2716
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,960
all these different players at Glasgow immediately, all these guys

2717
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,039
that were key pieces that we knew had a chance

2718
02:12:33,079 --> 02:12:34,640
to potentially go to the NFL or come.

2719
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:38,439
Speaker 5: Back or whatever it may be. And yeah, that was

2720
02:12:38,479 --> 02:12:39,039
a lot of work.

2721
02:12:39,159 --> 02:12:40,720
Speaker 19: And that was like three days of phone calls.

2722
02:12:41,239 --> 02:12:42,720
Speaker 5: I was on the phone.

2723
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:46,359
Speaker 19: Basically Thursday, Friday, Saturday for twelve hours each of those days.

2724
02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:49,640
And between wow talking to players, talking to coaches, and

2725
02:12:50,039 --> 02:12:52,159
I wasn't by myself. All of our other defensive coaches

2726
02:12:52,199 --> 02:12:53,680
that were still here were doing the same exact thing,

2727
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:55,800
trying to just keep this intact and letting everybody see

2728
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:57,840
the vision that it is. And ultimately, I just think

2729
02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:02,039
the players love Clawonnie. I mean, that's that was the mainstay, right.

2730
02:13:02,119 --> 02:13:03,920
They knew that Kalani was going to be here, and

2731
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,399
a lot of those guys, I mean you could say

2732
02:13:06,439 --> 02:13:09,520
all of them came to play for Kawani. So I

2733
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:12,039
just think and Coachill would say the same thing. Coach

2734
02:13:12,119 --> 02:13:13,640
Hill is a very humble guy and he sees things,

2735
02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:17,800
he knows how things work. Is that no person or

2736
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,680
player is bigger than the program, and so this thing

2737
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:23,359
is going to continue to move forward. And the thing

2738
02:13:23,439 --> 02:13:25,960
that's great about it is, I think the players run

2739
02:13:26,039 --> 02:13:28,479
this deal right. Obviously, US coaches got to put him

2740
02:13:28,479 --> 02:13:31,039
in the right positions and and make sure that we're

2741
02:13:31,079 --> 02:13:32,720
making the right adjustments and doing the right things. But

2742
02:13:32,840 --> 02:13:34,760
when you have great players in great leadership, I think

2743
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:37,800
everything else else takes takes care of itself. And it

2744
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,039
was just one of those days.

2745
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:42,920
Speaker 3: Where they they go K Pop discussing a number of

2746
02:13:43,039 --> 02:13:48,119
different things there. Ultimately the retention was it was multifaceted,

2747
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:51,399
but it also ultimately fell uh and and the person

2748
02:13:51,439 --> 02:13:54,680
who deserves the most credit is Kalani Sutaki, the figurehead,

2749
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:57,359
the head coach for the Bay Cougar football team. The

2750
02:13:57,439 --> 02:14:01,079
culture that he's built is a singular in nature and

2751
02:14:01,439 --> 02:14:05,640
really can't be replicated anywhere else. In my opinion, it's

2752
02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:09,239
that unique, it's that special. One of the first moves

2753
02:14:09,279 --> 02:14:13,039
that K pop made was hiring Damario Warren. Why was

2754
02:14:13,239 --> 02:14:16,760
Tomrio Warren the right guy for the job. There was

2755
02:14:16,840 --> 02:14:18,359
one guy he said he wanted to go out and

2756
02:14:18,439 --> 02:14:20,640
get he got his guy, and tomorrow Warren this is

2757
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:22,199
what he had to say last week.

2758
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,800
Speaker 19: For that year, it was it became clear to me

2759
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:27,840
if I ever was in a position to hire him,

2760
02:14:28,199 --> 02:14:29,840
that was going to be my first call. And so

2761
02:14:30,479 --> 02:14:33,680
initially when Gennaro was here, there was about a day

2762
02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:35,840
there where with Jenna and I thought we're going to

2763
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:37,960
be doing this together. And then you know, an opportunity

2764
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:40,199
came for him to go to Michigan. We're going to

2765
02:14:40,199 --> 02:14:41,600
have him come coach in safety. So it was going

2766
02:14:41,640 --> 02:14:43,520
to be Gennaro at the corners, and that was our

2767
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:45,880
first call no matter what. And then when Gennaro decided

2768
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:49,880
to make his decision, then I immediately called to Mario

2769
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:51,439
back and said, hey, listen, I want you to be

2770
02:14:51,479 --> 02:14:54,000
our pass game coordinator with Gennaro leaving, And so that

2771
02:14:54,199 --> 02:14:56,720
was that was easy for me to do. There was

2772
02:14:57,119 --> 02:14:58,840
nobody on the list. There was one guy, and we

2773
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:01,079
went after him hard to make sure that he got here,

2774
02:15:01,079 --> 02:15:02,359
and he did not want to leave Boise State and

2775
02:15:02,399 --> 02:15:07,119
Boise State pot back. But ultimately he came met with

2776
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:10,359
the administration, you know, our vice president and president, met

2777
02:15:10,359 --> 02:15:13,159
with Brian, met with Klawnie, and he left that day

2778
02:15:13,279 --> 02:15:15,880
sold like this. He saw the vision, he sees the

2779
02:15:17,399 --> 02:15:19,399
the uniqueness of what Bay you can provide as far

2780
02:15:19,439 --> 02:15:22,000
as just a family atmosphere, and I just think he

2781
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:24,079
felt like this was the right place at the right time.

2782
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:25,600
Speaker 7: So I'm excited to get him here.

2783
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:26,319
Speaker 5: And he's already working.

2784
02:15:26,359 --> 02:15:28,119
Speaker 19: He's been on the phones with Portal guys all day

2785
02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:30,640
to day working on corners. We need a couple of

2786
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,880
corners to replace and build our depth. But I think

2787
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:36,199
what people are going to see is a super hard

2788
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:37,760
work or a great recruiter, a guy that's been a

2789
02:15:37,800 --> 02:15:40,760
head coach that's very organized and structured. I sat on

2790
02:15:40,840 --> 02:15:43,159
a sat in the meeting with recruit recruit the other

2791
02:15:43,279 --> 02:15:46,239
day with him, and I was like wow. I mean

2792
02:15:46,439 --> 02:15:48,680
just just sitting there and listening to him coach this

2793
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:50,920
kid and the techniques and fundamentals and the details of it.

2794
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,560
I was like, this is where and great wanted to

2795
02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:53,079
play again?

2796
02:15:53,159 --> 02:15:53,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was.

2797
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,000
Speaker 5: I was just like, we're in great hands.

2798
02:15:55,079 --> 02:15:56,680
Speaker 19: Our corners are going to be in great spot and

2799
02:15:57,600 --> 02:15:59,840
great positions, and our safeties are going to be coached

2800
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:00,800
by this guy to as well.

2801
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:03,600
Speaker 5: There are past our past.

2802
02:16:03,399 --> 02:16:06,159
Speaker 19: Game should be very very good and it's been great,

2803
02:16:06,319 --> 02:16:07,720
So just excited to build on that.

2804
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:12,520
Speaker 3: Kind of an interesting note here when it was looking

2805
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:15,800
as if Kelly PIPINGA and Jennar would be co d

2806
02:16:16,039 --> 02:16:17,800
c's and they were going to do that thing together

2807
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:21,680
before Jennara took the job at Michigan K Pop, Who's

2808
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:23,800
going to go out and get Tomorio Warren? It sounds

2809
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:27,680
like as a safety's coach. I thought that was interesting.

2810
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:31,319
So you wonder if is that still in the docket?

2811
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,159
Is Tomorrio? I know he's listed as a cornerbacks coach

2812
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:37,040
right now, but you know obviously he's gonna be coaching

2813
02:16:37,079 --> 02:16:40,079
up the safeties too. Is there if the right hire

2814
02:16:40,239 --> 02:16:44,040
is available for cornerbacks, does Tomorrio move over to safeties?

2815
02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:44,719
Speaker 12: UH?

2816
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:46,920
Speaker 4: Coach and passing game coordinator?

2817
02:16:47,799 --> 02:16:47,920
Speaker 18: Uh.

2818
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:49,559
Speaker 3: You can do it either way. You can keep it

2819
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:52,840
at corners and then you can bring in a safeties coach.

2820
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:55,000
But if you've got a guy on the docket that

2821
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:56,680
you really liked, that would like to be at b

2822
02:16:56,920 --> 02:16:59,319
y U H, that can booy up B YU and

2823
02:16:59,479 --> 02:17:01,799
recruit at a high level, you may want to take

2824
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:03,879
a look at it. I know certain names have been

2825
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,639
floating out and I had a list of guys that

2826
02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:09,399
I was intrigued by. One of those guys at the

2827
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:11,399
top of my list is Brian Mitchell, who was my

2828
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:15,399
cornerbacks coach for a season at BYU. Really enjoyed getting

2829
02:17:15,399 --> 02:17:18,159
coached up by Brian Mitchell. He's at NC State. I

2830
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:20,440
think I think he's happy at NC State. I think

2831
02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:25,840
he's enjoyed his his trajectory as a coach. He's been

2832
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:29,319
a DC as well, and he could leverage and offer

2833
02:17:29,959 --> 02:17:32,120
you know, there at NC State for additional money if

2834
02:17:32,159 --> 02:17:35,079
b way he comes knocking. But you have to wonder,

2835
02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:39,239
is Brian Mitchell, you know, is he an option to

2836
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:41,920
come back to b YU if if the cornerback position

2837
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:46,159
job he is open. I also really like the idea

2838
02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:49,239
of bringing Gavin Fowler back. I love Tander Jacobson as well.

2839
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:52,319
Both those guys are currently at Weaver State. Both under

2840
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:54,600
contract right now, though, so you're gonna have to pick

2841
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:56,680
them off out of their contracts. Not to say, I

2842
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,239
mean any coach right now that's worth their salid is

2843
02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:02,719
under contract. So no matter what, you're gonna have to

2844
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:05,639
go out there and find a guy that fits the mold.

2845
02:18:06,079 --> 02:18:08,239
And I do think Gavin would be a nice pickup

2846
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:14,440
nice retention piece for that safety's room because those guys

2847
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:16,559
have been coached up for the last few years. I mean,

2848
02:18:16,600 --> 02:18:20,360
Gavin's has over ten years of experience within that program.

2849
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:24,239
That is a robust and not only as a player,

2850
02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:27,000
but as a gas like a student assistant, and then

2851
02:18:27,079 --> 02:18:31,639
I was an analyst and an assistant safeties coach. He's

2852
02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:36,079
definitely a guy that I would evaluate and could be him,

2853
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:37,040
could be that guy.

2854
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,280
Speaker 4: So I don't know, Ronnie. You've been hearing a lot

2855
02:18:39,319 --> 02:18:39,600
of things.

2856
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:42,479
Speaker 3: You've been reviewing some of these sound bites and some

2857
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:44,799
of these conversations. What's standing out to you right now

2858
02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:48,319
about the situation Bali's defenses with K Pop and Damario

2859
02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:52,280
Warren heading things up along with Gary Anderson, Justin Ena

2860
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:52,879
and Chad k.

2861
02:18:53,360 --> 02:18:56,040
Speaker 5: Well, if you listen to all the commentary around it,

2862
02:18:56,159 --> 02:18:58,879
let's just first start with Yerry Anderson, right, because I

2863
02:18:58,959 --> 02:19:00,959
was kind of a ackage deal you could say.

2864
02:19:00,959 --> 02:19:01,719
Speaker 4: He said the three.

2865
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:06,200
Speaker 5: Amigos, Gary Anderson, Jay Hill, Gennaro right, and Jay was leaving.

2866
02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:09,159
Then you know, we get information codyc Per, Kelly Pipink

2867
02:19:09,239 --> 02:19:11,559
and then Gennaral was like, Okay, I'm gonna go elsewhere,

2868
02:19:11,559 --> 02:19:14,000
and then just to give Cougar fans more information, Eddie

2869
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:16,600
Hacker was supposed to be on the staff at Weber State,

2870
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:18,719
but now is the assistant DB's over there at Michigan.

2871
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,719
So followed Jay Hill, who he played for, followed gennaral

2872
02:19:21,799 --> 02:19:24,319
go For who he played for his position coach at BYU.

2873
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:26,120
So just want to give the fans that if you're

2874
02:19:26,239 --> 02:19:28,639
if you are tuned down and don't know what's going on,

2875
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:30,799
but you're able to keep Gary. And Gary said he

2876
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:35,440
you know, joined him another interview and said, and he

2877
02:19:35,559 --> 02:19:38,959
spoke and talked about that. You know, he wants to

2878
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:40,920
be able to do this when he wants and be

2879
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:45,360
the best grandfather, be the best analyst he wants. And

2880
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:47,360
at By used that. So that was one of the reasons.

2881
02:19:47,399 --> 02:19:49,440
So it started with that, you kept him, you retained him,

2882
02:19:49,479 --> 02:19:52,000
and then after that you promote from within, you promote

2883
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:54,760
Kelly Popinck and with that Kelly Pipinka his you know,

2884
02:19:54,879 --> 02:19:57,079
he has a network of people. He said, if he

2885
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:59,159
ever became in charge, and he we just listened to it,

2886
02:19:59,239 --> 02:20:01,440
he would go get this go tomorrow, warn and listen.

2887
02:20:01,559 --> 02:20:04,360
He said that Boise State fought hard. They fought hard,

2888
02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:07,239
and that coach Warren didn't want to leave. You know

2889
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:09,719
that that's tough to when you have something good, ben

2890
02:20:10,559 --> 02:20:12,840
and you don't want to leave and things are great

2891
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:15,559
for another opportunity, even if it's good. Sometimes you like

2892
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,799
where things are at. You're comfortable. The hardest part in life,

2893
02:20:18,879 --> 02:20:22,040
you know, whether that's with the job spiritually, is to

2894
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:24,319
get uncomfortable. It is to leave what you have that's

2895
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:26,719
good for something that's better that you you might not

2896
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:28,440
want to do. You might want to stay put where

2897
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:31,360
you are. And b au kme knocking and Kelly Papingka's

2898
02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:32,760
first call is that, and you heard it. He's been

2899
02:20:32,799 --> 02:20:35,200
on the phone with recruits all day. Right away he's

2900
02:20:35,239 --> 02:20:37,200
on the job. That just shows you the commitment. So

2901
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:39,000
you gotta like this high. You gotta like that he's

2902
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:41,600
going to be coaching. The safety is the secondary. It's

2903
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:44,040
gonna be great. What better way to learn. And I

2904
02:20:44,159 --> 02:20:46,799
know that people it might take some time, some adjustment,

2905
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:48,479
but I mean for the fact that General was under

2906
02:20:48,559 --> 02:20:50,879
him first, and then Jay Hill, I like this guy

2907
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:52,600
a lot. I really liked that they did that and

2908
02:20:52,719 --> 02:20:54,879
the biggest thing that they did and I'm going to

2909
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:57,200
go that route and I have to is they brought

2910
02:20:57,239 --> 02:20:59,959
in a guy that's a double minority like the cornerbacks

2911
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:04,159
coach would be why you has to be a double minority.

2912
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:04,959
Speaker 7: It just has to be.

2913
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:08,440
Speaker 5: It always would need to be, I think, or someone

2914
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:10,479
that was maybe a double minority at one point. That's

2915
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:13,120
trend that's converted over because they understand you have to

2916
02:21:13,159 --> 02:21:16,360
have that relationship and connect and it's one of the

2917
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:19,200
toughest positions to recruit. And I believe look to me

2918
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:22,559
when I see Trey Alexander, when I see other safeties,

2919
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:25,000
let's get to work coach, like, you know, Trey's very

2920
02:21:25,079 --> 02:21:28,159
hyped and Emma Johnson coming back and retweeting that. You know,

2921
02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:30,680
when when guys are happy and excited for who the

2922
02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:34,319
new defensive excuse me for not only the new defensive coordinator,

2923
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:35,280
but their positions.

2924
02:21:35,319 --> 02:21:35,520
Speaker 4: Coach.

2925
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:37,680
Speaker 5: That just told me a lot. So these are good hires.

2926
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,879
Still a couple other positions, you know, to work out.

2927
02:21:40,639 --> 02:21:42,200
You know, you would love to see, you know who

2928
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:44,200
else is going to be on this staff and those

2929
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:47,280
might come a little bit later, but you have to

2930
02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:49,280
think and Ben, I'm making a list right now. But

2931
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:51,799
tomorrow is the last day of the transfer portal, so

2932
02:21:51,879 --> 02:21:53,559
you'll have until I think six pm. And the reason

2933
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,840
why I say six pm is because business people go

2934
02:21:55,920 --> 02:21:59,360
to bed aka the information, coaching staff and directors will

2935
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:01,799
leave the building. But for the most part, BWA used

2936
02:22:01,799 --> 02:22:04,639
to retain this entire you know team from what I've

2937
02:22:04,639 --> 02:22:07,760
looked at secondary wise, if you lost, obviously a few

2938
02:22:07,799 --> 02:22:09,840
pieces on both sides of the ball that's known to happen,

2939
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:12,639
but no key starters that we've heard from the couple

2940
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:14,959
of interviews from Jay and from Brian. I think the

2941
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:17,200
last guy that I'm looking you know, forward to coming

2942
02:22:17,239 --> 02:22:18,680
back and I haven't seen anything, and maybe you can

2943
02:22:18,719 --> 02:22:20,719
correct me if I'm wrong. With Tasilia Kaana, that's the

2944
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:24,520
last guy really looking forward. You keep him being and

2945
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:27,040
with everything that you brought in, Bo's got a really

2946
02:22:27,079 --> 02:22:29,760
good shot going into the Big twelve next year to

2947
02:22:30,120 --> 02:22:32,159
be in the title game once again, compete, win it,

2948
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:35,159
and go to the college football playoffs. And it all

2949
02:22:35,239 --> 02:22:37,520
starts because you know, you got Kelly p Ping at

2950
02:22:37,559 --> 02:22:40,120
the helm, so great higher with Da Mario Warren and

2951
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:42,079
hopefully we'll see what the rest of the Highers are

2952
02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:44,920
as we get more towards springball. Crazy to think that

2953
02:22:45,360 --> 02:22:47,399
by the time basketball season's over, but not even by

2954
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:50,079
the time basketball seasons over. I apologize when BA used

2955
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:52,000
in the NCAA tournament because they will be. That is

2956
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:54,559
a known fact. They will unless they just completely just

2957
02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:57,079
go on a ten game losing streak, which will not happen.

2958
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:00,159
That we will be in springball again. So we or

2959
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:03,639
what just eight weeks away if that, and it'll be

2960
02:23:03,719 --> 02:23:05,200
back at it and we'll get to know who these

2961
02:23:05,319 --> 02:23:07,760
new editions are. We'll get to talk to coach Papingamore,

2962
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:09,879
and we'll get to talk to Coach Warner. So I'm

2963
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:12,680
excited the countdown has officially begun again.

2964
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:13,879
Speaker 4: Let's go.

2965
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:16,680
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2979
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:01,360
Speaker 4: By chance? We got to give a Cougar warder to

2980
02:24:01,479 --> 02:24:02,200
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2981
02:24:02,239 --> 02:24:05,079
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we from the numbers that I got, h

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02:24:05,239 --> 02:24:07,000
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02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:19,440
starting at two thousand, like twenty into twenty three, twenty

2987
02:24:19,479 --> 02:24:22,280
fours around there till now. Is that if you do

2988
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:24,000
the math on that, it's about five hundred and thirty

2989
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,600
three a years. So Cougarnation people that are listening, those

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late afterwards, thank you very much. I don't think you

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02:24:33,399 --> 02:24:35,399
guys understand. I don't get to say a lot of this,

2994
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never really get a chance to like say that, and

2997
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:46,120
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2998
02:24:46,159 --> 02:24:47,920
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get to on a Thursday, January fifteenth edition of Cougar Sports.

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Here on what O three nine ninety eight point three

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e spa stra stad all about it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get the latest news coming out of BYU Athletics

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with a Cougar Sports press relates.

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Speaker 5: This is Ronald the three man weaver, A number eleven

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02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:43,959
BYU was led by ag Debonsa and it's twenty five

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points last night as it took down the TCU horn

3024
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:49,360
Frogs seventy six to seventy at the Marriott Samer After

3025
02:25:49,440 --> 02:25:52,600
trailing thirty six to thirty eight break BYU used several

3026
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:56,000
dominant second half runs and at thirteen second chance points

3027
02:25:56,239 --> 02:25:58,559
to secure the six point victory. Kevin Young said this

3028
02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:01,000
on't matter following the post. It was a gut check

3029
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:03,440
kind of went for It felt like anything that could

3030
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:06,000
go wrong did go wrong, said BYU head coach Kevin

3031
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:08,360
It felt like our whole team had four fouls. I

3032
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:10,799
thought Agen was going to die out there. They found

3033
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:13,040
a way to make the plays. It was not Richie's night,

3034
02:26:13,159 --> 02:26:15,959
but he put up a huge three one ter mos BYU.

3035
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:18,959
Devonza finished with twenty five points, seventeen of those coming

3036
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:21,280
in the second half in an eight minute stretch. He

3037
02:26:21,399 --> 02:26:24,159
also added six rebounds and one assist. The freshman also

3038
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:26,159
went seven to seven from the free throw line. His

3039
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:28,959
twenty five points moved him past Devin Durant and Eric

3040
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:31,920
Nika to number nine on the freshman's score most. Richie

3041
02:26:31,959 --> 02:26:34,360
Saunders went nine to eleven from the freakro line, totally

3042
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:37,200
eighteen points but six rebounds, and also won six Robert

3043
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:40,079
Wright the Third added fifteen points as well six rebounds

3044
02:26:40,159 --> 02:26:42,680
and sixty six of the content gave. The Gator contributed

3045
02:26:42,719 --> 02:26:45,440
ten rebounds, seven points, three blocks, and two assists and

3046
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,360
one steal me highlight as I like to say, Bucket

3047
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:51,719
Hitch Incaden Booth combined for twelve rebounds off the bench

3048
02:26:52,079 --> 02:26:56,040
as well. BYU out rebounded TCU fifty one to thirty six,

3049
02:26:56,319 --> 02:26:58,760
and was a plus eighteen in the second half on

3050
02:26:58,879 --> 02:27:01,520
the glass and finished the game with twenty one offensive rebounds.

3051
02:27:01,719 --> 02:27:04,559
EYU improves it is winsterd now to thirteen games in

3052
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:06,920
a row. BYU will travel to Love It Now for

3053
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:09,280
a Top fifteen matchup as they take on Texas Tech.

3054
02:27:09,399 --> 02:27:09,799
Speaker 4: Saturday.

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3093
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you guys doing today?

3094
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:53,840
Speaker 11: Hey?

3095
02:28:53,959 --> 02:28:57,159
Speaker 4: Ben, how you doing good to be on Live the Dream?

3096
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Guys, appreciate you hopping on the dream? Hey, no room

3097
02:29:01,399 --> 02:29:05,680
for improvement. Knock on wood. Here we go and can't

3098
02:29:05,719 --> 02:29:07,920
wait to get into a little sports court with you

3099
02:29:08,159 --> 02:29:12,479
gentlemen today, Let's start it off with this one little

3100
02:29:12,559 --> 02:29:14,159
Supreme Court ruling here.

3101
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:17,559
Speaker 4: Here's are rather arguments hearing arguments.

3102
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:24,079
Speaker 3: In blockbuster cases challenging transgender sports brand sports bands.

3103
02:29:24,120 --> 02:29:25,239
Speaker 4: What's the latest on this one?

3104
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:29,120
Speaker 20: Well, it is the latest because it's been a hotbed

3105
02:29:29,159 --> 02:29:32,520
issue for a while. We've talked about many of these

3106
02:29:32,559 --> 02:29:36,239
instances where what happens is a transgender female who's a

3107
02:29:36,239 --> 02:29:40,200
biological male is playing on female sports team or competing

3108
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:44,559
in female competition. And you know, there was the instance

3109
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:48,319
with the swimmer and Riley gained the Kentucky swimmer, the

3110
02:29:48,799 --> 02:29:51,879
woman who you know couldn't win, and so she's been

3111
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:54,399
a real activist in this. And what happened when all

3112
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:57,399
these things were being seen that there were some transgender

3113
02:29:57,479 --> 02:30:00,440
females playing in and whether it was high school or

3114
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:05,639
college or whatever, in female on female teams, states began

3115
02:30:05,719 --> 02:30:08,639
to pass laws and the majority of these laws were

3116
02:30:08,639 --> 02:30:13,719
really basically saying, hey, biological male who is a transgender female,

3117
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:17,079
No problem with that, they're saying, but you can't participate

3118
02:30:17,159 --> 02:30:20,680
on female teams and compete against other females. So what

3119
02:30:20,879 --> 02:30:24,600
happened when laws like this are passed, activist groups and

3120
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:28,000
even individual plaintiffs they come forward and they challenge these laws,

3121
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:31,120
and they challenge them based on what are constitutional issues?

3122
02:30:31,159 --> 02:30:33,719
Really not just oh we don't like these issues. We're

3123
02:30:33,719 --> 02:30:38,680
saying these violate constitutional rights. Well, two states that made

3124
02:30:38,719 --> 02:30:41,399
it through the appeal system, they made it through the

3125
02:30:41,399 --> 02:30:43,440
state system, they made it through what's called the Federal

3126
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:46,399
Court of Appeal system, and the United States Supreme Court

3127
02:30:46,559 --> 02:30:50,719
SCOTIS decides to hear these cases. And SCOTIS doesn't usually

3128
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:52,879
hear cases unless they think it's an important issue to hear.

3129
02:30:52,959 --> 02:30:55,840
It's an issue of first impression and it needs to

3130
02:30:55,879 --> 02:30:59,399
be decided to set a precedent and to give guidelines

3131
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,559
going forward with other laws. Well, the state of Idaho,

3132
02:31:02,639 --> 02:31:06,479
in the state of West Virginia's cases came up which

3133
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:10,639
were challenged, so people challenging these losses and they were unconstitutional. Well,

3134
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:16,200
the basic arguments are by the people challenging it are that, hey,

3135
02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:22,120
this violates Title fourteen Equal Protection clause of the Constitution

3136
02:31:23,360 --> 02:31:26,840
where it involves gender rights. And whenever it involves gender,

3137
02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:29,600
things need to be highly scrutinized and you can't be

3138
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:32,520
treating you know, you can't be discrimination. That's really what

3139
02:31:32,639 --> 02:31:35,239
it comes to down discrimination. Well, the other side, the

3140
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:38,079
ones supporting the laws and these things, they're saying, hey,

3141
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:43,760
there's really no constitutional right that addresses biological males, transgender

3142
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,280
females to play on women's teams, that's really the issue,

3143
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,600
and you know, it's an emotional issue, it really is.

3144
02:31:50,719 --> 02:31:54,479
So arguments were heard, and most of the legal analysis

3145
02:31:55,040 --> 02:31:58,719
coming out think that it's going to uphold these laws,

3146
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:03,520
essentially saying yeah, these laws are okay, and transgender females

3147
02:32:04,040 --> 02:32:08,719
cannot play on female teams. It's unfair, it's unfair competition,

3148
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:10,680
that type of thing. But the question now that looks

3149
02:32:10,719 --> 02:32:13,280
at is if it comes down that way, if it does,

3150
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:16,760
how far reaching is that? How broad is that opinion?

3151
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:21,719
Because I read where only twenty seven states have passed

3152
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:23,959
these laws, and twenty three actually have not paid these

3153
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:27,159
laws and don't have them on the books. So the

3154
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:30,520
question is will this just go to these plaintiffs here

3155
02:32:30,559 --> 02:32:33,399
and say, yeah, your banned, these laws are okay, or

3156
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:35,440
is it going to send a message to the other states.

3157
02:32:35,479 --> 02:32:37,399
I think it does. It sends a message to these

3158
02:32:37,440 --> 02:32:40,440
other states with laws, and it probably sends a message

3159
02:32:40,440 --> 02:32:43,360
to states that haven't passed laws. If you pass laws,

3160
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:48,680
they'll probably be upheld. So, you know, one person argy said, hey,

3161
02:32:48,799 --> 02:32:50,840
we need this to be a national law. We can't

3162
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:55,399
have it that. You know, transgender females can participate in

3163
02:32:55,520 --> 02:32:58,719
one state and they can't in another you know, where

3164
02:32:58,920 --> 02:33:01,319
there's a lot of traveling to and their college teams

3165
02:33:01,360 --> 02:33:03,639
are traveling all the time, and so how does that

3166
02:33:03,719 --> 02:33:06,520
affect it. So it'll be interesting to see how broad,

3167
02:33:07,239 --> 02:33:09,440
how broad of a brush there is and how broadly

3168
02:33:09,479 --> 02:33:12,520
it applied. But regardless when the decision come down, I'm

3169
02:33:12,559 --> 02:33:15,040
not saying there had been a decision, it'll send a

3170
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:17,879
message to everyone kind of with the leaning of the court,

3171
02:33:18,159 --> 02:33:22,000
and the court is a conservative court, so large part

3172
02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:24,079
they probably will uphold these laws.

3173
02:33:25,479 --> 02:33:28,840
Speaker 3: It's perfectly fine for a transgender female though, to play

3174
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:31,719
on a men's team, right if they make the team.

3175
02:33:32,840 --> 02:33:35,079
Speaker 20: Well, that's what a lot of people say, they're a

3176
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:38,079
biological I mean, this gets into a lot of issues

3177
02:33:38,079 --> 02:33:41,799
that I don't fully understand. And I'm mindful and respectful

3178
02:33:41,879 --> 02:33:46,559
and sensitive to individuals that go through this, and they

3179
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:48,719
you know, and I think most people are saying, yeah,

3180
02:33:48,719 --> 02:33:51,399
if you claim to be transgender, and you claim to

3181
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:55,559
be a transgender female, that's okay, and everybody needs to

3182
02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:58,639
respect each other's rights and boundaries and everything. But then

3183
02:33:58,840 --> 02:34:00,680
when it goes into well are we gonna let you

3184
02:34:00,799 --> 02:34:06,120
participate in the female sports and female competitions against you know,

3185
02:34:06,280 --> 02:34:09,040
female athletes. And the one big one was this uh,

3186
02:34:10,079 --> 02:34:15,280
this Pennsylvania University, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania swimmer, six foot four dude

3187
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,719
who was just an okay swimmer on the men's team,

3188
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:21,000
and he says these transitions, gets on the female teams

3189
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:23,440
and he wins the national championship, and a lot of females,

3190
02:34:24,040 --> 02:34:25,719
you know, we're like, hey, we fought for this our

3191
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:29,200
whole lives, and now we're we're not allowed to win.

3192
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:32,799
So that's where it's really looking like an unfair advantage.

3193
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:35,239
But to your question, sure they can, if they can

3194
02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:35,799
make the team.

3195
02:34:36,639 --> 02:34:37,280
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

3196
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,319
Speaker 20: I don't think there's beenny. I don't think there'd be

3197
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:40,239
any challenges to that.

3198
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:44,239
Speaker 3: Sure, Like yeah, exactly, Like it's like you can still

3199
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:47,959
play sports. It's not like your band from participation of sport.

3200
02:34:51,079 --> 02:34:51,159
Speaker 4: Uh.

3201
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:54,639
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a it's a uh, it's a complicated issue

3202
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:57,440
with strong feelings on both sides, you know. I mean,

3203
02:34:58,120 --> 02:35:00,879
I know there were a couple of trans gender females

3204
02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:03,799
in Utah and it was just a couple, but you know,

3205
02:35:03,959 --> 02:35:06,239
I mean their parents argue that this is their chance

3206
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:10,399
to play sports and have competition and do all that,

3207
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:13,280
and it goes to their mental health and mental well being.

3208
02:35:13,399 --> 02:35:15,479
And then you ask the question, well, could they have

3209
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:20,799
made the men's soccer team or the men's basketball team

3210
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:23,319
or you know, but that's not who they wanted to be.

3211
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:24,680
That's their argument.

3212
02:35:26,079 --> 02:35:29,959
Speaker 3: Let's move on to NCAA basketball players and gamblers being

3213
02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:33,360
charged for allegedly rigging games.

3214
02:35:33,440 --> 02:35:34,920
Speaker 4: There's a lot of hullablue.

3215
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:38,159
Speaker 3: Like one of the fastest growing markets right now is

3216
02:35:38,239 --> 02:35:41,280
just being able to bet on just about anything. And

3217
02:35:42,200 --> 02:35:48,959
obviously college athletics is being extremely impacted by gambling. And

3218
02:35:49,079 --> 02:35:51,760
these young men and young ladies that are getting into gambling.

3219
02:35:51,799 --> 02:35:53,479
It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing

3220
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:56,239
at all. What's the latest in this particular scenario.

3221
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:01,319
Speaker 23: Yeah, this is another big case, another big indictment. I

3222
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:03,360
guess I should say that that's come down. And you know,

3223
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:07,799
we've talked recently. There was the NBA case with Terry Rozier, right,

3224
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:12,440
similar type of case. There was the Chauncey Phillips, you know,

3225
02:36:12,559 --> 02:36:16,000
poker ring case. So there's been a lot of these

3226
02:36:16,040 --> 02:36:19,319
sports betting cases that we've talked about. This one maybe

3227
02:36:19,399 --> 02:36:23,200
what's a little different about it is it involves college

3228
02:36:23,319 --> 02:36:27,600
basketball players, and it really involves I mean a whole

3229
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:31,239
bunch of schools involved in this. I think there's gosh,

3230
02:36:31,399 --> 02:36:37,159
there are forty schools I think implicated in this. Most

3231
02:36:37,239 --> 02:36:39,959
of them are all mid major schools, and none of

3232
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:43,040
our local schools I don't see on this list. I mean,

3233
02:36:43,079 --> 02:36:47,319
but just as an example, Ben, I mean schools like Abilene, Christian,

3234
02:36:47,399 --> 02:36:51,399
Alabama State, Buffalo, Choppin State, Eastern Michigan, Fordham, Kennesaw State.

3235
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:54,239
I mean, you get the idea, right, and so a

3236
02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:57,159
lot of times what was happening is you had some

3237
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:00,520
people on the outside who would contact these players, usually

3238
02:37:00,639 --> 02:37:04,360
on underdog teams, and a lot of times it's involved

3239
02:37:04,559 --> 02:37:08,159
just the point spread. And so you know, they get

3240
02:37:08,200 --> 02:37:11,959
these players on the underdog team to shave some points, right,

3241
02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:15,559
not score, you know, keep their their point totals down

3242
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:18,479
so that whether going into halftime or by the end

3243
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:22,719
of the game, they'd win their bets. And I mean so,

3244
02:37:23,159 --> 02:37:25,200
I mean there was a like a four hundred thousand

3245
02:37:25,239 --> 02:37:29,399
dollars bet placed on a game between Kennesas State and

3246
02:37:29,559 --> 02:37:33,639
like Buffalo, right, I mean, it's crazy, who's betting on this,

3247
02:37:33,799 --> 02:37:35,879
you know? Or there was another one for Butler to

3248
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:39,600
cover a six point five spread against DePaul. Well, what's

3249
02:37:39,680 --> 02:37:42,200
coming out now? I mean talking about DePaul in particular.

3250
02:37:42,280 --> 02:37:44,280
I mean, and this just goes back two seasons. This

3251
02:37:44,440 --> 02:37:47,760
is all very current stuff, right, I mean, DePaul went

3252
02:37:48,200 --> 02:37:51,040
oh to sixteen in Big East Play two years ago.

3253
02:37:51,239 --> 02:37:54,399
Four of their players from that team are implicated in this,

3254
02:37:56,079 --> 02:37:59,799
and some of these guys are on current rosters and

3255
02:38:00,079 --> 02:38:02,319
as of as this news coming down, this is just

3256
02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:05,000
today that this in these charges came out. They've been

3257
02:38:05,239 --> 02:38:09,840
cut from their teams a few of them already. So anyway,

3258
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:12,879
it's it's again, like you said, kind of just more

3259
02:38:12,920 --> 02:38:15,000
of the same. We've we've seen some of this, but

3260
02:38:15,479 --> 02:38:17,959
here we are. This is impacting some lower levels of

3261
02:38:19,479 --> 02:38:20,399
college basketball.

3262
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:26,079
Speaker 3: I mean there's got to be I mean, I hate

3263
02:38:26,120 --> 02:38:29,760
to legalize certain things, right, There'll always be kind of

3264
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:32,440
a market for this stuff, but it's I think the

3265
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:36,719
NCAA president has like asked the federal government to like

3266
02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:43,520
to help him, and I can't remember what the specific

3267
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:48,360
request was, but limit the ability of college sports gambling

3268
02:38:48,520 --> 02:38:53,399
because it's infiltrating the competitive the competitive.

3269
02:38:52,959 --> 02:38:55,920
Speaker 4: Nature of sport, especially at the collegiate levels. So this

3270
02:38:56,079 --> 02:38:56,639
is an issue.

3271
02:38:56,719 --> 02:38:58,799
Speaker 3: This is a big issue, and more and more young

3272
02:38:58,879 --> 02:39:02,399
people are are gambling, literally their their funds away and

3273
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:03,799
going into debt just to gamble.

3274
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:07,959
Speaker 23: Yeah, no, exactly, And that's what they're asking for. And

3275
02:39:08,159 --> 02:39:10,680
and one of the one in particular what they're asking

3276
02:39:10,760 --> 02:39:13,319
for is a ban on these prop bets. Right, so

3277
02:39:14,559 --> 02:39:17,200
you know, I mean, if we're just gonna bet that

3278
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:22,520
Richie Saunders is going to be two points under his average, right,

3279
02:39:24,280 --> 02:39:26,959
I mean you can bet on anything right in these

3280
02:39:27,079 --> 02:39:30,760
in these games, you know how many minutes played or whatever.

3281
02:39:30,920 --> 02:39:34,000
And so they've just made it so easy with online betting,

3282
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:37,040
and and uh, it's yeah, it's all over the place.

3283
02:39:37,079 --> 02:39:38,879
But we've got to have some new rules in place.

3284
02:39:39,719 --> 02:39:40,639
Speaker 4: All right, let's move on.

3285
02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:46,280
Speaker 3: Rams owner and Ingle would legal battle over placement of billboards,

3286
02:39:46,280 --> 02:39:47,879
a little marketing and advertising lawsuit.

3287
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:48,399
Speaker 4: What are we at?

3288
02:39:49,559 --> 02:39:53,680
Speaker 20: Yeah, exciting stuff for everything. Ye, this is crazy exciting stuff.

3289
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:59,520
So the owner of the Los Angeles Loni Los Angeles Rams,

3290
02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:05,159
multi multi billionaire. Uh mister, how do you say his name?

3291
02:40:05,399 --> 02:40:05,479
Speaker 12: Uh?

3292
02:40:07,159 --> 02:40:08,879
Speaker 20: Cronky, crunky crunky.

3293
02:40:09,719 --> 02:40:10,600
Speaker 5: He is, uh.

3294
02:40:12,440 --> 02:40:16,440
Speaker 20: Of the Rams, but apparently ye part owner of that.

3295
02:40:17,079 --> 02:40:20,840
He fold the lawsuit against the city of Inglewood where

3296
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:23,840
he's claiming they've entered into an agreement with Wild Media.

3297
02:40:25,360 --> 02:40:29,719
His sixty billboards around Hollywood Park where so Fi Stadium is.

3298
02:40:30,280 --> 02:40:34,479
He's claiming that this violet bill when this thing was

3299
02:40:34,520 --> 02:40:38,040
going on, that he put this up, probably saying, hey,

3300
02:40:38,879 --> 02:40:40,920
you know, we can't have stuff like that around here.

3301
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:42,600
This is kind of our place to market and that

3302
02:40:42,719 --> 02:40:45,959
type of thing and earn revenue. And he he uh,

3303
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:52,600
this advertisement would undergot the exclusive sponsorships table ambush of

3304
02:40:52,680 --> 02:40:55,319
marketing around some of the world's sporting events. It's not

3305
02:40:55,479 --> 02:40:57,840
just the rams that there's not the charges to play there.

3306
02:40:58,280 --> 02:41:04,360
There's a ton of going around. You start putting up

3307
02:41:04,360 --> 02:41:07,360
sixty boards, you're gonna make place look like a you know,

3308
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:13,559
like Vegas. The city response there there says, hey, wait

3309
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:19,920
a minute, this is you're being greedy, mister cry We

3310
02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:23,360
have a right we want with personal public property as

3311
02:41:23,399 --> 02:41:26,200
long as we go through their proper processes to go

3312
02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:28,079
through that. And you know, and this is revenue for

3313
02:41:28,120 --> 02:41:30,479
the city. And so I guess what it comes down to,

3314
02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:32,760
was there an agreement and what part of that agreement

3315
02:41:32,840 --> 02:41:36,959
go and does it violate that agreement? So tighting stuff,

3316
02:41:36,959 --> 02:41:39,079
we'll see if thingle would get to put up any billboards.

3317
02:41:39,399 --> 02:41:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, your your connection is a little bit uh,

3318
02:41:42,719 --> 02:41:44,680
you know, disrupted. But so I don't know if you

3319
02:41:44,719 --> 02:41:46,600
want to move to the other spot where you're at before.

3320
02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:49,479
But oh sorry, you're okay, You're okay. I can hear

3321
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:51,600
you now, But yeah, you're okay. Disrupted there.

3322
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:54,799
Speaker 20: But fans out there, what I said was really not

3323
02:41:54,879 --> 02:41:59,040
too exciting. You didn't You didn't miss a lot about

3324
02:41:59,079 --> 02:42:03,479
a more's a multi billionaire. So in a city over billboards?

3325
02:42:03,959 --> 02:42:08,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk aeron Judge, then all rise legal

3326
02:42:08,280 --> 02:42:10,959
when in a trademark lesson case?

3327
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:11,559
Speaker 4: What do we got?

3328
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:15,360
Speaker 23: Yeah, and you know how baseball teams or any team

3329
02:42:15,440 --> 02:42:17,319
does this right when a player's got a certain name

3330
02:42:17,399 --> 02:42:20,959
and they find some angle right, and they might do

3331
02:42:21,079 --> 02:42:23,479
this in the stadium on banners or on you know,

3332
02:42:23,639 --> 02:42:27,079
digital displays. And so this started happening in Yankee Stadium

3333
02:42:27,079 --> 02:42:29,760
with Aaron Judge as he was becoming popular. This goes

3334
02:42:29,799 --> 02:42:32,200
back to about twenty seventeen. And so one was all

3335
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:35,399
rise right when Aaron Judge is up, or the other

3336
02:42:35,479 --> 02:42:38,159
one was here comes the Judge and so playing on

3337
02:42:38,280 --> 02:42:41,959
this legal theme with his name Judge, So at about

3338
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:46,280
that time, Yankees are using these phrases. There's a guy

3339
02:42:46,360 --> 02:42:49,440
in Long Island who runs to the trademark office to

3340
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:52,680
register those two phrases. He's going to put them on

3341
02:42:52,840 --> 02:42:56,239
hats and you know, T shirts and whatever and sell

3342
02:42:56,360 --> 02:42:59,639
some merch And so this got into a dispute with

3343
02:42:59,719 --> 02:43:02,840
the Yanks over this trademark and the Yankees and Aaron Judge.

3344
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:06,120
I guess Aaron Judge had not filed his own trademark

3345
02:43:06,200 --> 02:43:08,760
for this, and so part of the argument was, we'll

3346
02:43:08,799 --> 02:43:11,799
wait a minute. This is obviously about me, Aaron Judge,

3347
02:43:12,719 --> 02:43:15,239
and this is going to be really confusing for consumers.

3348
02:43:15,239 --> 02:43:17,319
They're thinking, you know that this is not a this

3349
02:43:17,479 --> 02:43:20,680
is official merchandise. He's not an Aaron Judge isn't earning

3350
02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:23,440
anything from that. So they fought for what's called the

3351
02:43:23,479 --> 02:43:26,799
common law trademark, and they did. They did win their

3352
02:43:26,879 --> 02:43:28,920
case in spite of the guy who was going to

3353
02:43:28,959 --> 02:43:31,879
make the T shirts claiming that well, you know, I

3354
02:43:31,959 --> 02:43:34,559
had no I just I like these phrases all rise

3355
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:36,520
and here comes a judge. I don't know anything about

3356
02:43:36,559 --> 02:43:38,399
Aaron Judge. I've never heard of him. I've never been

3357
02:43:38,479 --> 02:43:41,600
to a Yankees baseball game. I've never seen him play.

3358
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:43,200
I don't know anything about it. I just I just

3359
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:45,559
happen to like these phrases. This has nothing to do

3360
02:43:45,639 --> 02:43:48,040
with Aaron Judge, and the court was not buying that.

3361
02:43:48,360 --> 02:43:52,159
So I guess the word is, if you've got a

3362
02:43:52,200 --> 02:43:56,799
phrase you want to use, better trademarket, better trademark void

3363
02:43:56,840 --> 02:43:58,000
I legal fight.

3364
02:43:58,200 --> 02:44:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, how do you check trademarks? Can we

3365
02:44:02,159 --> 02:44:02,559
google that?

3366
02:44:02,879 --> 02:44:02,920
Speaker 19: Like?

3367
02:44:03,440 --> 02:44:06,840
Speaker 4: You know, is there a trademark website to see if

3368
02:44:06,879 --> 02:44:07,799
something's trademarked?

3369
02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:11,479
Speaker 23: Yeah, there is the US Patent and Trademark Office, and

3370
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,559
so a lot of times. You know, if you've got

3371
02:44:15,239 --> 02:44:18,920
one thing that you know, intellectual property lawyers do, right,

3372
02:44:19,079 --> 02:44:21,319
is they'll monitor these kinds of things for their clients,

3373
02:44:21,479 --> 02:44:24,559
right and see if anybody's filing anything or coming up

3374
02:44:24,639 --> 02:44:26,920
so that they're on top of it. But yeah, it's

3375
02:44:26,959 --> 02:44:29,280
something you just have to be vigilant about.

3376
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:33,920
Speaker 3: Gotta be vigilant, gotta be proactive. Final thing, here a

3377
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:38,079
little update on the river Side abuse case. X coach

3378
02:44:38,159 --> 02:44:40,600
testivies to witnessing abuse.

3379
02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:41,319
Speaker 4: What do we have here?

3380
02:44:42,639 --> 02:44:44,639
Speaker 20: Yeah, well we quick quick on this. We talked about

3381
02:44:44,639 --> 02:44:48,399
this last week and follow This is a lawsuit that

3382
02:44:48,440 --> 02:44:52,559
grows out of the acclaim by a gentleman who played

3383
02:44:52,600 --> 02:44:56,239
for an all star team back in the seventies and

3384
02:44:56,319 --> 02:45:00,280
early eighties that was sponsored by Riverside Church, kind of

3385
02:45:00,280 --> 02:45:03,079
the first of its type, an all star basketball team

3386
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:05,360
with really good players that traveled around the country and

3387
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:10,799
even outside the country with sponsorships. Well, years and years later,

3388
02:45:10,959 --> 02:45:15,680
this mister Powell comes out with claims that the coach,

3389
02:45:15,959 --> 02:45:19,959
Ernest Lorch, who was a multi millionaire lawyer in New

3390
02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:24,280
York City, was sexually abusing him and other players. Well,

3391
02:45:24,719 --> 02:45:28,120
mister Lorch has since he has since passed away, and

3392
02:45:28,520 --> 02:45:29,040
can you hear me?

3393
02:45:29,639 --> 02:45:30,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yeh, gotcha?

3394
02:45:30,680 --> 02:45:33,520
Speaker 20: Okay, he since passed away. So a lawsuit goes against

3395
02:45:33,600 --> 02:45:36,280
Riverside Church, and the issue is this he's soon in

3396
02:45:36,399 --> 02:45:39,079
Riverside Church. At Riverside Church is saying, well, wait a minute,

3397
02:45:39,799 --> 02:45:43,319
mister Lurch was the bad actor. This guy was the pedophile,

3398
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,200
sex abuser. Not you know, we're not on this, but

3399
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:49,920
he's saying, hey, he was under your supervision. He was

3400
02:45:49,959 --> 02:45:52,239
the coach of this team. He sat on your board

3401
02:45:52,239 --> 02:45:55,479
of trustees. You knew or should have known, that this

3402
02:45:55,559 --> 02:45:58,360
stuff was going on, and you could have prevented it. Well,

3403
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:00,520
so now the thing starts to travel this week, and

3404
02:46:00,559 --> 02:46:05,399
whenever a trial starts, the plaintiff, the person bringing the lawsuit,

3405
02:46:05,479 --> 02:46:08,200
mister Powell, he has the burden of proving everything. He

3406
02:46:08,280 --> 02:46:10,799
has to prove the legal arguments. He has to prove

3407
02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:13,719
his claims that Riverside knew or should have known about

3408
02:46:13,760 --> 02:46:16,159
this going on. He has to prove his damages. He's

3409
02:46:16,239 --> 02:46:22,079
claiming PTSD and mental health and emotional damages from this happening.

3410
02:46:22,159 --> 02:46:22,840
Speaker 12: Forty years ago.

3411
02:46:22,920 --> 02:46:26,479
Speaker 20: Well, one of the witnesses, bombshell witness was an assistant

3412
02:46:26,559 --> 02:46:29,920
coach of the team who said he walked in on

3413
02:46:31,239 --> 02:46:37,440
mister kring Lurch and saw him actually abusing sexually abusing

3414
02:46:37,639 --> 02:46:40,719
a player, and he actually went and reported it to

3415
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:41,840
the pastor of the church.

3416
02:46:42,559 --> 02:46:43,239
Speaker 12: Well, here we come.

3417
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:45,000
Speaker 20: Forty years later. They bring him into trial and he

3418
02:46:45,239 --> 02:46:49,120
testifies he actually took a bunch of players and said

3419
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:50,639
he wasn't going to keep him there because he didn't

3420
02:46:50,639 --> 02:46:53,920
think they were safe. It's reported that it was widely

3421
02:46:54,040 --> 02:46:56,840
known around a lot of people that this guy was

3422
02:46:56,920 --> 02:47:01,440
a bad dude and there was some appropriate stuff going on. Well,

3423
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:04,079
the defense has attacked this and saying, hey, this was

3424
02:47:04,159 --> 02:47:06,120
forty plus years ago. How can you remember all this?

3425
02:47:07,639 --> 02:47:09,440
He's bringing this now? Why is he bringing it now

3426
02:47:09,479 --> 02:47:11,879
and didn't bring it earlier? So we'll hear from all

3427
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:14,120
the plantiff witnesses. The jury gets to hear all of that,

3428
02:47:14,239 --> 02:47:16,440
and then the defense will put their case on and

3429
02:47:16,600 --> 02:47:18,280
we'll see what happens. But this is the type of

3430
02:47:19,239 --> 02:47:21,200
This is the type of testimony, and apparently there were

3431
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:24,280
a couple of other players that testified. That really goes

3432
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:28,239
to the heart of mister Powell's arguments about Hey, the church,

3433
02:47:28,879 --> 02:47:31,159
he was under their supervision, they knew and should have

3434
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:31,920
done something about it.

3435
02:47:33,280 --> 02:47:38,280
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, that is our Sports Cord for today. The verdict

3436
02:47:38,520 --> 02:47:41,440
is out and we appreciate you joining us for yet

3437
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:43,000
another Sports Cord segment.

3438
02:47:43,239 --> 02:47:43,879
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3441
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3442
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3443
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Speaker 20: Yeah, Ben, we love coming on here. It's a good

3444
02:48:00,520 --> 02:48:02,319
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3445
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Speaker 4: Gentlemen, thank you so much. Always a pleasure talking sports

3464
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3465
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Speaker 12: Hey, Thanks Ben, love it, Thank you, Ben.

3466
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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, gentlemen. We'll go to break. That

3467
02:49:01,959 --> 02:49:04,479
was a great segment with Garrett and Preston Handy. Appreciate them.

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3502
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the hotline.

3503
02:50:46,559 --> 02:50:46,920
Speaker 4: Welcome in.

3504
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:51,799
Speaker 3: Mark Durant, the best color commentator, the best Twitter x

3505
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follow on social media.

3506
02:50:54,520 --> 02:50:55,680
Speaker 4: How the heck are you? Mark?

3507
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:57,440
Speaker 9: Wow?

3508
02:50:57,680 --> 02:50:58,520
Speaker 18: Thank you man.

3509
02:50:58,719 --> 02:51:01,319
Speaker 12: I'm doing great. I'm or may not have just played

3510
02:51:01,440 --> 02:51:06,319
nine holes of golf in this beautiful crazy weather, so

3511
02:51:06,799 --> 02:51:09,000
I'm a happy man. I don't know that I've ever

3512
02:51:09,120 --> 02:51:11,760
played golf this late in the winter in my life.

3513
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:15,040
Speaker 4: It is pretty crazy. What's happening in Utah right now

3514
02:51:15,719 --> 02:51:16,200
with the weather.

3515
02:51:16,840 --> 02:51:21,000
Speaker 3: Typically we're we're in the thick of the snow right

3516
02:51:21,319 --> 02:51:24,040
making snow angels and it's freezing cold.

3517
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:26,000
Speaker 4: What's happened in the Utah. You've been here for a

3518
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:26,440
long time.

3519
02:51:28,520 --> 02:51:32,479
Speaker 12: Well, listen, I know we need moisture and snow and

3520
02:51:32,559 --> 02:51:35,120
all that. But if we're not going to have it,

3521
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:39,520
I'm gonna enjoy it. And if Salt Lake becomes the

3522
02:51:39,639 --> 02:51:42,719
new Saint George, then that's probably okay with me because

3523
02:51:43,639 --> 02:51:45,520
I want to move to Saint George. Anyway, I will

3524
02:51:45,559 --> 02:51:46,280
save me moving.

3525
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,079
Speaker 4: Oh man, where's your golf?

3526
02:51:49,239 --> 02:51:53,959
Speaker 12: By the way, I went out to Glenmore. We love

3527
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,000
it out at Glenmore. Darcy Olsen is the pro out there.

3528
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:59,840
It's a great place. They got a great youth program.

3529
02:52:00,600 --> 02:52:03,159
As you know, my daughter plays. So my daughter whooped

3530
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,559
me today, But I'm getting used to that.

3531
02:52:06,319 --> 02:52:06,959
Speaker 4: Hey, it's okay.

3532
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:10,639
Speaker 3: Hey, that means you've trained her, well, you've mentored her. Well,

3533
02:52:10,959 --> 02:52:13,280
that's what you want. That's what every mom and dad want.

3534
02:52:13,319 --> 02:52:14,920
They want their kids to be better than they are.

3535
02:52:15,079 --> 02:52:15,200
Speaker 14: Right.

3536
02:52:16,799 --> 02:52:18,959
Speaker 12: Yeah, the best thing I ever did, Ben, You're a

3537
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:23,520
young father, So listen carefully, I am is, have your

3538
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:26,360
kids play golf. I tried to get my boys to

3539
02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:31,479
play basketball, but I finally learned and my last one,

3540
02:52:31,600 --> 02:52:33,959
I said, We're doing golf because I'm gonna have fun.

3541
02:52:34,120 --> 02:52:35,799
If I'm gonna watch you, I'm gonna at least have

3542
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:40,040
fun myself. And it's been the greatest thing. We get

3543
02:52:40,079 --> 02:52:43,280
to spend so much time together and she's excellent, and

3544
02:52:43,440 --> 02:52:44,280
it's just fun.

3545
02:52:44,360 --> 02:52:44,520
Speaker 6: Man?

3546
02:52:45,159 --> 02:52:45,280
Speaker 11: Is that?

3547
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:47,879
Speaker 3: Like, just because you have to sit next to each

3548
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:49,959
other for I mean typically anywhere from two to four,

3549
02:52:50,360 --> 02:52:53,159
sometimes five hours, you actually get to talk to your kids.

3550
02:52:53,239 --> 02:52:54,799
Speaker 4: They're not trying to avoid you, right.

3551
02:52:55,520 --> 02:53:00,159
Speaker 12: Exactly what other dad of a seventeen year old daughters

3552
02:53:00,200 --> 02:53:04,040
to spend five hours without any distractions? You know, with

3553
02:53:04,159 --> 02:53:08,479
your child? It's beautiful. Actually the worst me she still

3554
02:53:08,600 --> 02:53:10,159
likes me. Ben, I don't know about your kids. If

3555
02:53:10,159 --> 02:53:12,280
your kids like you, if they don't like it might

3556
02:53:12,360 --> 02:53:12,680
be bad.

3557
02:53:12,680 --> 02:53:14,239
Speaker 18: But my daughter likes me, so.

3558
02:53:15,719 --> 02:53:19,000
Speaker 3: No, probably the worst decision I ever made. And it

3559
02:53:19,120 --> 02:53:21,639
was hard because it was it was before COVID, right,

3560
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:25,879
and like I had purchased an alpine country club membership

3561
02:53:26,079 --> 02:53:27,959
in two thousand and ten.

3562
02:53:28,719 --> 02:53:29,559
Speaker 16: You know, it was.

3563
02:53:29,719 --> 02:53:32,159
Speaker 3: It was it was dirt cheap at the time, right,

3564
02:53:32,440 --> 02:53:35,479
And I can't remember what the dudes were monthly, et cetera.

3565
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:38,799
But I had that thing till like twenty and eighteen.

3566
02:53:39,079 --> 02:53:42,159
But at that time I was getting free golf. Remember

3567
02:53:42,159 --> 02:53:44,399
I used to do the show at Thanksgiving point, I

3568
02:53:44,479 --> 02:53:48,239
did advertising for Fox Hollow. I mean I was everywhere,

3569
02:53:48,280 --> 02:53:49,680
you know. I was like, well, you know, do I

3570
02:53:49,719 --> 02:53:51,559
really need this Alpine country club membership?

3571
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:52,239
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

3572
02:53:52,719 --> 02:53:57,479
Speaker 3: And I sold it, kicking myself, stupid decision. The spirit

3573
02:53:57,680 --> 02:53:59,840
was not with me, It was not guiding me at

3574
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:00,399
that time.

3575
02:54:01,559 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, they for a while, that long time ago, they

3576
02:54:03,959 --> 02:54:07,159
were giving those away man and now now it's it's

3577
02:54:07,239 --> 02:54:09,200
a it's a hot commodity.

3578
02:54:09,319 --> 02:54:13,159
Speaker 3: Very very hot commodity. I'm kicking myself, unfortunately. But we

3579
02:54:13,239 --> 02:54:15,680
all make good decisions. We all make bad decisions. U.

3580
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:19,399
K Why made some good decisions this offseason, not only

3581
02:54:19,479 --> 02:54:22,399
retaining talent, but acquired talent. How special has it been

3582
02:54:22,719 --> 02:54:25,719
for you to watch arguably the most talented team in

3583
02:54:25,799 --> 02:54:28,200
BAU basketball history ball out at the Marriott Center.

3584
02:54:30,079 --> 02:54:31,600
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, you mentioned K Why.

3585
02:54:31,879 --> 02:54:32,680
Speaker 17: I love that guy.

3586
02:54:32,840 --> 02:54:36,319
Speaker 12: I mean he is he's been so great to work with.

3587
02:54:36,600 --> 02:54:39,559
He's super kind of me and Greg, and he's just

3588
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:42,760
a super down to earth guy. Love talking to him.

3589
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:47,639
I think he's actually a brilliant basketball mind as I've

3590
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:51,239
watched him and the adjustments and things that he makes

3591
02:54:51,280 --> 02:54:53,959
and his game plans, and I just I just think,

3592
02:54:54,079 --> 02:54:56,959
how lucky are we to have him? So it's I

3593
02:54:57,040 --> 02:54:59,280
think it starts with him, and then because of who

3594
02:54:59,360 --> 02:55:03,399
he is, his connections and his ability to communicate with kids,

3595
02:55:03,479 --> 02:55:06,760
he's able to bring in you know, great great young

3596
02:55:06,879 --> 02:55:10,719
men and super talented basketball players. And it used to

3597
02:55:10,799 --> 02:55:13,559
be where, you know, by you wouldn't even get a

3598
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:16,760
sniff from some of these this level of recruit and

3599
02:55:16,879 --> 02:55:19,360
now it seems like they're in on almost all the

3600
02:55:19,479 --> 02:55:23,319
best recruits and legitimately have a chance. And so that

3601
02:55:23,559 --> 02:55:26,079
that goes to a lot of people. Ky and the

3602
02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:29,600
school and the resources and the boosters and all that

3603
02:55:29,879 --> 02:55:33,239
to make BYU an attractive spot for some of the

3604
02:55:33,319 --> 02:55:33,959
best players.

3605
02:55:34,040 --> 02:55:34,600
Speaker 9: And the fact that.

3606
02:55:34,639 --> 02:55:38,440
Speaker 12: We've got AJ is unheard of obviously. And then even

3607
02:55:38,799 --> 02:55:41,559
Rob Wright, you know, coming from Baylor to BYU, I mean,

3608
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:44,959
who would have ever seen that happening? And he he

3609
02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:47,319
is one of my favorites man. He is so good,

3610
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:52,040
so consistent, so tough, And of course Richie, who's just

3611
02:55:52,120 --> 02:55:55,600
the unicorn nowadays with his loyalty to the university and

3612
02:55:55,879 --> 02:55:57,559
all the things he does and how hard he plays.

3613
02:55:57,600 --> 02:56:00,319
I mean that Utah game, Ben, I've never seen a

3614
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:04,280
bigger heart on display. He willed the team to victory.

3615
02:56:04,280 --> 02:56:05,760
He kind of put the team on his back and

3616
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:08,959
got those big rebounds and made big shots, and so yeah,

3617
02:56:09,000 --> 02:56:11,600
I mean, it's it's I've been doing a long time,

3618
02:56:12,239 --> 02:56:14,440
you know, Jim or years were fine. Every year's fine.

3619
02:56:14,520 --> 02:56:18,360
But the level of play and how this team plays

3620
02:56:18,840 --> 02:56:20,520
is about as fun of time as I've had in

3621
02:56:20,600 --> 02:56:21,479
those thirty years.

3622
02:56:22,639 --> 02:56:24,159
Speaker 4: You mentioned Richie the Todd King.

3623
02:56:24,239 --> 02:56:26,159
Speaker 3: I was having a discussion with Jay Drew earlier in

3624
02:56:26,200 --> 02:56:29,760
the show and we're like, how pivotal was that retention?

3625
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:32,239
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, what if he would

3626
02:56:32,280 --> 02:56:33,680
have ended up at at Kentucky.

3627
02:56:34,120 --> 02:56:36,239
Speaker 3: Maybe that Kentucky team goes to an Elite eight last

3628
02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:37,799
year and they get through the Sweet sixteen.

3629
02:56:38,239 --> 02:56:39,000
Speaker 4: If Richie's on.

3630
02:56:39,079 --> 02:56:41,040
Speaker 3: That squad this year, they're probably doing a whole lot

3631
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:44,040
better because they have a glue guy, a leader, a

3632
02:56:44,120 --> 02:56:46,239
guy that sets the tone that creates.

3633
02:56:45,959 --> 02:56:49,319
Speaker 4: Continuity and executes and and.

3634
02:56:49,399 --> 02:56:53,239
Speaker 3: Gets everyone bought in to what Mark Pope is building.

3635
02:56:53,639 --> 02:56:56,559
The fact that b Yu was able to retain Richie

3636
02:56:58,520 --> 02:57:01,280
is probably not not Harold did enough. Is one of

3637
02:57:01,360 --> 02:57:05,360
the greatest recruiting efforts that the staff has been able

3638
02:57:05,440 --> 02:57:05,959
to execute.

3639
02:57:08,040 --> 02:57:09,079
Speaker 4: It really really is.

3640
02:57:09,280 --> 02:57:13,000
Speaker 12: And you know, I can't speak to specifics, but I

3641
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:17,319
want people to understand that Richie left a lot on

3642
02:57:17,440 --> 02:57:20,399
the table to stay at BYU as good as by

3643
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:22,399
US resources are.

3644
02:57:23,399 --> 02:57:23,520
Speaker 9: Uh.

3645
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:27,040
Speaker 12: He stayed because he wanted to and he loves the university,

3646
02:57:27,479 --> 02:57:31,520
and so yeah, as a fan, I'm grateful to him

3647
02:57:31,639 --> 02:57:36,040
for that. But I think the obviously AJ is is

3648
02:57:36,200 --> 02:57:40,399
even a I think a seasoned professional level player right now,

3649
02:57:40,479 --> 02:57:41,959
and he could play in the NBA and be an

3650
02:57:41,959 --> 02:57:45,639
All Star right now. But so he's he gets a

3651
02:57:45,680 --> 02:57:50,000
lot of attention rightly, so top draft pick guy. But

3652
02:57:50,360 --> 02:57:52,399
the best thing I think that ever happened to AJ

3653
02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:57,479
is Richie to have that kind of leadership and maturity

3654
02:57:57,760 --> 02:57:59,600
and how to play the game and to learn from

3655
02:57:59,680 --> 02:58:04,280
Richie and to take a lot of the pressure off

3656
02:58:04,360 --> 02:58:08,040
of AJ to have to do it all himself.

3657
02:58:08,440 --> 02:58:08,559
Speaker 9: You know.

3658
02:58:08,680 --> 02:58:12,399
Speaker 12: Obviously those other guys, Rob's great. But I mean, you know,

3659
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:17,159
when you have three really good players, you know, it's

3660
02:58:17,319 --> 02:58:19,360
just not all about you. It's not all on your shoulders.

3661
02:58:19,360 --> 02:58:22,239
So you can kind of, you know, do your thing

3662
02:58:22,520 --> 02:58:26,200
and have some pressure taken off of you, both off

3663
02:58:26,399 --> 02:58:29,879
just the mental pressure that AJ must go through, but

3664
02:58:30,040 --> 02:58:33,559
just the pressure to play and deliver at all times.

3665
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:37,840
And AJ, like the other night against TCU, he kind

3666
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:40,920
of took over that game. But for the most part,

3667
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:43,559
you know, he can kind of do his thing. And

3668
02:58:44,559 --> 02:58:49,479
because Richie particularly is a leader of that team. And

3669
02:58:49,559 --> 02:58:53,360
when you know, Ben, like like when you were senior

3670
02:58:53,399 --> 02:58:56,479
at BYU, I mean you nobody had played harder than you,

3671
02:58:56,559 --> 02:58:59,239
Nobody practiced harder than you. And when you've got a

3672
02:58:59,319 --> 02:59:04,399
guy that's that good and sets that tone, like you

3673
02:59:04,520 --> 02:59:07,520
have no excuses. If Richie's playing this hard, I need

3674
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:10,079
to play that this hard. If he's doing getting rebound,

3675
02:59:10,159 --> 02:59:12,920
I need to do this. And so when you have

3676
02:59:13,040 --> 02:59:15,680
a guy like that and that senior leadership who's you know,

3677
02:59:15,760 --> 02:59:18,719
all American caliber player and he's doing all the little

3678
02:59:18,760 --> 02:59:21,799
things that make people great, then you learn from that

3679
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:24,239
and you have no excuses. And I think it's going

3680
02:59:24,319 --> 02:59:26,319
to be the best thing that ever happened to AJ

3681
02:59:26,600 --> 02:59:27,959
was to have Richie on this team.

3682
02:59:28,639 --> 02:59:32,040
Speaker 3: No excuses, play like a champion. There was a great victory,

3683
02:59:32,239 --> 02:59:34,959
a gritty one, an ugly one, a beautifully ugly one.

3684
02:59:35,280 --> 02:59:37,760
But when does the win is win over TCU? What

3685
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:41,879
were your takeaways from that matchup late last night? That's

3686
02:59:41,959 --> 02:59:44,319
the That's one of the latest games you've probably had

3687
02:59:44,360 --> 02:59:45,120
to call recently.

3688
02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:50,879
Speaker 12: I guess there's reasons for it. If I'm the horn Frogs,

3689
02:59:50,879 --> 02:59:52,719
I'm pretty upset that I had to do that because

3690
02:59:52,760 --> 02:59:55,000
it was even later for them their body clock. But

3691
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:57,559
I mean, I just don't get it. I mean, maybe

3692
02:59:57,639 --> 03:00:00,319
West Coast, but even West Coast it's eight o'clock Star.

3693
03:00:00,399 --> 03:00:03,600
I'm like, what is the point of that? It seems silly,

3694
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:05,479
but I you know, I get there's TV and all

3695
03:00:05,559 --> 03:00:08,319
that kind of stuff. But anyway, it was late, but

3696
03:00:08,920 --> 03:00:11,319
it's nice and I just had a nice meal before

3697
03:00:11,479 --> 03:00:14,120
and got all that out of the way before the game,

3698
03:00:14,239 --> 03:00:17,079
so it didn't bother me too much. But yeah, the game,

3699
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:19,319
you know, Ben, I've been kind of waiting for that

3700
03:00:19,479 --> 03:00:23,319
game because everybody, every team has a game where it's

3701
03:00:23,399 --> 03:00:25,799
just not their night. It's you know, you come off

3702
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:30,399
of a pretty intense rivalry game. It's certainly right for

3703
03:00:30,639 --> 03:00:32,840
a letdown, a trap game, whatever you want to call it.

3704
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:37,120
And I just felt like, eventually, these guys are gonna

3705
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:39,760
have an off night and they're gonna lose one, and

3706
03:00:39,959 --> 03:00:42,360
it's just gonna be one of those things. And I

3707
03:00:42,479 --> 03:00:46,200
was almost resigned myself to that. The great thing about

3708
03:00:46,440 --> 03:00:49,479
last night was they had that game. They had their

3709
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:52,639
worst shooting night both from three and from two of

3710
03:00:52,760 --> 03:00:56,479
the year, and yet they won. So you can have

3711
03:00:56,680 --> 03:01:00,719
your your bad game, the off game you're going to

3712
03:01:00,760 --> 03:01:03,879
have and still win. That's pretty good and it shows

3713
03:01:03,879 --> 03:01:07,959
you how good they are. And AJ was under the weather,

3714
03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:11,319
looked as bad as I've seen him play in the

3715
03:01:11,360 --> 03:01:15,079
first half, but man, he found something in about eight

3716
03:01:15,159 --> 03:01:17,639
to ten minutes of that second half where he was great.

3717
03:01:18,479 --> 03:01:22,319
And he the thing I'm impressed about AJ is whether

3718
03:01:22,319 --> 03:01:25,719
it's Yukon or Clemson or whenever BYU needs him to

3719
03:01:25,799 --> 03:01:30,120
be great, he has been great. And he found something

3720
03:01:30,239 --> 03:01:33,600
deep inside and he was kind of his game where

3721
03:01:33,639 --> 03:01:35,840
he will BYU the victory there to get them back

3722
03:01:35,879 --> 03:01:39,079
in the lead. And so yeah, I mean it was

3723
03:01:39,959 --> 03:01:43,120
it was not a good game. It was their letdown game.

3724
03:01:43,479 --> 03:01:46,040
And yet somehow they managed to win it, and so

3725
03:01:46,239 --> 03:01:49,760
that's pretty cool. I Mean, you usually don't escape those

3726
03:01:49,879 --> 03:01:52,079
kind of games with a win, and so hopefully you

3727
03:01:52,200 --> 03:01:55,959
learn some lessons, but you still have a w in

3728
03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:59,440
the win column, and so that's that's good for this team.

3729
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:03,079
I expect them to play much better, even though they're

3730
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:05,719
going into a tough, tough place this weekend against Texas

3731
03:02:05,760 --> 03:02:08,200
Tech and Lewock. But I think they'll actually play a

3732
03:02:08,280 --> 03:02:10,639
lot better and we'll have a chance in that game.

3733
03:02:12,319 --> 03:02:12,559
Speaker 4: Mark.

3734
03:02:14,120 --> 03:02:16,959
Speaker 3: We've discussed this Big three. Some people call it the

3735
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:21,200
brig Three, the First Presidency. I mean, there's a ton

3736
03:02:21,239 --> 03:02:25,200
of different nicknames for this crew. But you know, you

3737
03:02:25,280 --> 03:02:26,719
have to wonder, is this the Is this the best

3738
03:02:26,840 --> 03:02:29,319
trio in Bou basketball history? Is this better than the

3739
03:02:29,479 --> 03:02:32,760
Danny Ainge, you know eighty one team, the Great Kite,

3740
03:02:32,840 --> 03:02:35,799
Fred Roberts, I know, I know, I know your your

3741
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:37,959
brother pretty good. You know they they had some good

3742
03:02:37,959 --> 03:02:42,440
sad Mike, we've had. I think the mckelly Wesley crew

3743
03:02:42,559 --> 03:02:45,079
was good. The Hafa Travis Hanson crew was pretty good.

3744
03:02:45,440 --> 03:02:48,000
Is this the best trio in Bou basketball history?

3745
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:50,559
Speaker 18: Yeah?

3746
03:02:50,639 --> 03:02:52,879
Speaker 12: If you if you drill down on it, there's actually

3747
03:02:52,920 --> 03:02:56,120
been some really good, yeah, really good players, like you

3748
03:02:56,239 --> 03:03:00,200
mentioned a lot of them, but I think it's far

3749
03:03:00,319 --> 03:03:04,879
as you know, recency bias is a thing, but you know,

3750
03:03:05,239 --> 03:03:10,159
I just I can't imagine three better players for Byu

3751
03:03:10,280 --> 03:03:13,360
at the same time. I mean, AJ is going to

3752
03:03:13,399 --> 03:03:16,959
be possibly a number one pick and so we've never

3753
03:03:17,079 --> 03:03:21,840
had that. And Rob Wright, holy cow, I mean that

3754
03:03:21,959 --> 03:03:26,120
guy is so good and he's such as He's a

3755
03:03:26,239 --> 03:03:29,120
guy that's so consistent too, and he's steady and make

3756
03:03:29,520 --> 03:03:32,319
when BYU's struggling, he's the guy that makes a shot

3757
03:03:33,200 --> 03:03:36,799
and just lightning quick, impossible to stop him on the

3758
03:03:36,879 --> 03:03:40,959
dribble penetration. And then we've talked about Richie. I mean,

3759
03:03:42,360 --> 03:03:46,440
you've got three NBA guys, probably two of the guys

3760
03:03:46,559 --> 03:03:50,479
first round NBA guys. One guy is maybe a first pick,

3761
03:03:50,920 --> 03:03:55,280
first round guy. So as far as talent, pure talent,

3762
03:03:55,479 --> 03:03:58,200
I think it's the best three. I mean, they had

3763
03:03:58,239 --> 03:04:02,000
a chance last night to have the third consecutive game

3764
03:04:02,079 --> 03:04:04,719
where they had three guys over twenty points. Now they

3765
03:04:04,760 --> 03:04:07,280
fell short of that, but that was like would be

3766
03:04:07,360 --> 03:04:10,479
the first time in thirty or forty years in the

3767
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:15,719
entire NCAA that any three players have got twenty a

3768
03:04:15,799 --> 03:04:18,959
piece for three consecutive games, so they came close to

3769
03:04:19,120 --> 03:04:22,440
doing that, which says a lot of itself. And the

3770
03:04:22,559 --> 03:04:26,440
great thing about it is, you know, they're all you know,

3771
03:04:26,479 --> 03:04:29,200
they're all right around the same scoring, you know, right

3772
03:04:29,239 --> 03:04:32,040
around twenty points a game. They all shoot right around

3773
03:04:32,040 --> 03:04:34,719
the same number of field goals, they shoot similar percentages.

3774
03:04:35,959 --> 03:04:41,040
It's amazing kind of the the balance that they've achieved,

3775
03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:44,440
because sometimes when you have three excellent players like that,

3776
03:04:44,680 --> 03:04:47,799
it's hard to get that chemistry and balance, and guys

3777
03:04:47,879 --> 03:04:50,280
are thinking I got to get mine, and you know,

3778
03:04:50,440 --> 03:04:55,399
but it's just organically they've found a beautiful balance where

3779
03:04:55,479 --> 03:04:58,920
they're all contributing, all shooting about the same amount, all

3780
03:04:58,959 --> 03:05:02,159
getting about the same amount of points, and it's just

3781
03:05:02,479 --> 03:05:06,719
it's really cool to see how those three have become

3782
03:05:07,239 --> 03:05:11,639
like a single super super player, one in one in

3783
03:05:11,719 --> 03:05:15,719
one guy. And anyway, it's it's fun. I mean, I'm

3784
03:05:15,799 --> 03:05:18,159
waxing trying to wax poetic about it and failing. But

3785
03:05:18,760 --> 03:05:22,200
they're they're as good as I've ever seen, and I've seen,

3786
03:05:22,520 --> 03:05:24,680
you know, back to the Danny h days. And that's

3787
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:28,879
no slide on anybody. I meantly they're just that good.

3788
03:05:29,159 --> 03:05:33,120
And the fact that by us in this possession excuse me,

3789
03:05:33,239 --> 03:05:36,959
positioned in the big twelve, in the top ten team

3790
03:05:37,639 --> 03:05:40,280
and have those kind of caliber guys, It's like, what

3791
03:05:40,559 --> 03:05:43,760
what universe are we living in? And whatever it is,

3792
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:44,840
I'm glad I'm living in it.

3793
03:05:46,159 --> 03:05:46,440
Speaker 4: Mark.

3794
03:05:46,520 --> 03:05:50,280
Speaker 3: We were discussing earlier today, who we need to step

3795
03:05:50,440 --> 03:05:52,200
up on the bench or from the bench.

3796
03:05:52,360 --> 03:05:54,399
Speaker 4: We have one of the best starting fives.

3797
03:05:54,440 --> 03:05:56,600
Speaker 3: It's not the best starting five in college basketball, you

3798
03:05:56,639 --> 03:05:59,159
can make that argument, but we need bench players.

3799
03:05:59,440 --> 03:06:03,079
Speaker 4: We need more, We need some consistency there.

3800
03:06:03,479 --> 03:06:05,799
Speaker 3: Who's the guy that you're looking forward to in the

3801
03:06:06,159 --> 03:06:10,000
next six weeks to maybe step up and take that

3802
03:06:10,120 --> 03:06:13,120
baton or or multiple guys to take that baton.

3803
03:06:13,159 --> 03:06:14,399
Speaker 4: Who who's most likely.

3804
03:06:14,319 --> 03:06:14,600
Speaker 11: To do it?

3805
03:06:16,440 --> 03:06:19,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, one of the things I'm concerned about, and it

3806
03:06:19,760 --> 03:06:23,000
was evident last night. As good as the Big three

3807
03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:31,440
is and Keba is tremendous, it's, uh, you know, you

3808
03:06:31,559 --> 03:06:33,520
get a guy in foul trouble or aj was it

3809
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:38,479
wasn't feeling well. It doesn't take a lot to really

3810
03:06:38,600 --> 03:06:42,239
hurt you. And uh, so they're walking a fine line

3811
03:06:42,719 --> 03:06:45,319
playing so few guys and relying so much on the

3812
03:06:45,360 --> 03:06:48,639
Big Three. Uh, so you just kind of hope and

3813
03:06:48,719 --> 03:06:50,440
pray nobody gets hurt, or you stay out of foul

3814
03:06:50,520 --> 03:06:55,000
trouble or or you're gonna have some problems. But uh,

3815
03:06:55,159 --> 03:06:58,120
and answer your question, I think they need to go

3816
03:06:58,280 --> 03:07:01,440
all in on Hilow. I think he's a good player.

3817
03:07:02,239 --> 03:07:02,319
Speaker 11: Uh.

3818
03:07:02,440 --> 03:07:05,200
Speaker 12: He makes big plays, he plays without fear, He made

3819
03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:08,639
a Big three, had a huge block last night. He

3820
03:07:08,799 --> 03:07:12,879
brings size, he stretches the floor. I think you're all

3821
03:07:12,959 --> 03:07:16,879
in on him, and I think it really hurt BYU

3822
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:20,520
that Abdul Ahmed did not play. I hope he can

3823
03:07:20,639 --> 03:07:25,280
be healthy because I think when Cava's out of the game,

3824
03:07:26,079 --> 03:07:30,440
BYU is a much different team. But with Bed he

3825
03:07:30,559 --> 03:07:33,479
comes in and they're not that different. He's He's just

3826
03:07:33,559 --> 03:07:36,000
a big human and a great shot blocker. I'm so

3827
03:07:36,159 --> 03:07:39,879
pleased with him. So I'm all in on Viido and Mahilo,

3828
03:07:40,840 --> 03:07:45,959
and you know, other than that, you're going to have

3829
03:07:46,040 --> 03:07:49,040
to kind of hope and you know, hopefully Tyler Moruss

3830
03:07:49,159 --> 03:07:52,760
makes a player too, or kostich or or or whoever.

3831
03:07:53,879 --> 03:07:56,360
But you know, I think seven, if you have seven

3832
03:07:56,399 --> 03:07:58,280
guys that you can count on, I think what you does,

3833
03:07:58,440 --> 03:08:01,360
then they should be all right, but you know, it's

3834
03:08:01,399 --> 03:08:03,399
a little makes it a little bit nervous when anybody

3835
03:08:04,440 --> 03:08:06,799
you know, twists an ankle or is not feeling well

3836
03:08:06,879 --> 03:08:09,399
or gets in foul trouble, because it can really turn

3837
03:08:09,520 --> 03:08:12,760
on you quickly if you don't have those guys ready

3838
03:08:12,799 --> 03:08:12,959
to go.

3839
03:08:13,639 --> 03:08:15,639
Speaker 3: I always feel like when we're about to make a run,

3840
03:08:16,239 --> 03:08:18,840
like we get it, we get injured, or something like

3841
03:08:18,920 --> 03:08:21,399
something crazy happens, you know.

3842
03:08:21,719 --> 03:08:22,879
Speaker 4: Like I hate to be that guy.

3843
03:08:22,959 --> 03:08:25,399
Speaker 3: I'm knocking on wood right now, all the wood here

3844
03:08:25,479 --> 03:08:29,840
in my that's in my surrounding area. But it's like, man,

3845
03:08:30,079 --> 03:08:32,559
I just hope we can stay healthy, you know, stay

3846
03:08:32,600 --> 03:08:36,639
healthy and strong, nourish and strengthened and built for a

3847
03:08:36,760 --> 03:08:38,280
run in the NCAA tournament.

3848
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:42,120
Speaker 12: Well, one of the things you worry about is because

3849
03:08:42,200 --> 03:08:45,239
you're not as deep. You know, you're playing those the

3850
03:08:45,319 --> 03:08:47,319
Big Tree a lot of minutes, I mean in thirty

3851
03:08:47,399 --> 03:08:52,280
thirty five more, and so you worry about getting worn

3852
03:08:52,360 --> 03:08:54,719
down a little bit. And just in that TCU game,

3853
03:08:55,799 --> 03:08:58,319
you know, Aj was on the floor for a long

3854
03:08:58,399 --> 03:09:00,920
time and I was worried that he was injured. And

3855
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:03,920
Rob Wright was knocked and he was limping for a while.

3856
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:06,319
I ate and Richie in the post game had a

3857
03:09:06,319 --> 03:09:08,520
big ice bag on his caf and he was in

3858
03:09:08,760 --> 03:09:12,920
kind of twisted his ankle late and so yeah, you know,

3859
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:14,879
you find all the wood you can and knock on

3860
03:09:15,000 --> 03:09:21,200
it because this team is a potential title contender, uh

3861
03:09:21,559 --> 03:09:27,920
a Final four national championship contender with everybody ready to

3862
03:09:28,000 --> 03:09:31,680
play and healthy. But if anything goes wrong, then it

3863
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:35,040
might spoil the apple cart and turn the apple cart

3864
03:09:35,120 --> 03:09:38,000
upside down because there's just not a lot of room

3865
03:09:38,040 --> 03:09:42,120
for error. Uh, there is. They're they're awesome. They could

3866
03:09:42,120 --> 03:09:46,799
win it all. I totally believe that, but it's if

3867
03:09:46,920 --> 03:09:50,040
one little thing happens, it could change that equation overnight.

3868
03:09:50,280 --> 03:09:53,000
So you just hope it doesn't and knock on the

3869
03:09:53,079 --> 03:09:55,719
wood and UH and O B y U fans have

3870
03:09:55,840 --> 03:09:59,040
had some rough uh rough what ifs in their in

3871
03:09:59,159 --> 03:10:02,479
their fandom history, but hopefully this year won't be one

3872
03:10:02,520 --> 03:10:02,719
of them.

3873
03:10:03,719 --> 03:10:07,280
Speaker 3: Mark Durant Ladies and Gentlemen partner at Dorsey and Whitney LLP.

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03:10:08,360 --> 03:10:12,440
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3875
03:10:12,840 --> 03:10:16,799
color commentates alongside Greg Rubel on the BYU Sports Netw're

3876
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talking hoops, but he's also pretty good at real estate law,

3877
03:10:21,319 --> 03:10:24,520
So shout out to Dorsey and Whitney LLP. If you

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time together. Appreciate you hopping on to give his nuggets

3881
03:10:33,639 --> 03:10:38,520
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3882
03:10:39,719 --> 03:10:41,239
Speaker 12: Well you know I love you and I'm happy to

3883
03:10:41,319 --> 03:10:43,920
come on anytime, and I'm excited about this weekend at

3884
03:10:43,959 --> 03:10:47,719
Texas Tech. And give give Ron a big kiss for me,

3885
03:10:47,799 --> 03:10:48,000
will you.

3886
03:10:48,479 --> 03:10:50,399
Speaker 3: I shall give him a big hug, big kiss, big

3887
03:10:50,440 --> 03:10:52,680
smooch for you, Mark Durant, Ladies and general, thanks so

3888
03:10:52,760 --> 03:10:53,360
so much, brother.

3889
03:10:54,399 --> 03:10:55,600
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3890
03:10:56,200 --> 03:10:58,200
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