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Speaker 1: What is up, fella sickos.

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Speaker 2: I am Danfa Valley coming at you with the certified

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fantabulous mister Grant Hughes. It's the Hardwood Knox Annual NBA

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Late Night Trade Deadline wrap up. Fishy are coming to you,

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Grant in landscape and vertical mode because we're hip and cool.

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After some technical difficulties in which our originally scheduled stream

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just disappeared.

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Speaker 1: We're here. Lots happened this week, excited to get to it.

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Speaker 2: No one I want to speak with more about the

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bedlam that is this week than you, Grant. And I

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ask you this before we really just dive into the slop.

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Speaker 1: How the heck are you?

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Speaker 3: Man? Uh, I'm tired.

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Speaker 1: It was a day.

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Speaker 3: It's been a day, it's been a week. It's been

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a week. Yeah, I'm I'm just delighted to speak to you.

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We spoke once earlier today. If anybody is double dipping

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with us today or well meybe you won't be listening

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or watching this till tomorrow. But and then also checked

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out our br stream or for ninety minutes. We also

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talked about stuff. Good for you. I'm excited you We've

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smoked it. I smoked. People are saying.

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Speaker 2: First of all, people are saying, because I did get

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multiple messages, oh good, but I got zero.

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Speaker 3: But I'm very disconnected.

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Speaker 2: We started off pretty poorly, I think because we both

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had echoes in our ears.

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Speaker 1: There was just a lot. It was awkward.

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Speaker 2: But after the first couple of minutes we got into

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a group. But yeah, I echo, thanks everyone for checking

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us out. We're going to work big too small. But

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Grant and I are going to alternate. We don't know

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where each other's going with We're going to talk about

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the individual moves, but teams at large when it warrants it.

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Grant does know where I'm going to go to start

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us off, though, I want to begin with the trade

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that didn't happen with Giannis, and I want to make

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a few things clear here. Grant, if I was the

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if I were the Bucks, I would absolutely have not

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accepted any of the rumored packages that were on the table.

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Speaker 1: Not moving him is the right call.

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Speaker 2: What I don't like is these people that are buying

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into the idea that Jannis actually wanted to stick around

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the entire time, never requested a trade, that there is

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some slight or agenda against their team. I understand the

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frustrations of other fans or media talking about your favorite

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team's best player and how they should want out.

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Speaker 1: We had.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't just Shams starting over the summer. We had Chams,

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we had Mark Stein, we had Shake Fisher, Sam amacad stuff.

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There was equivocation on Gianni's front, and I would argue

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that is putting it lightly. It's fine that he ended

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up sticking around. If they can convince him to stay

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by making a big move this summer when they have

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three first round picks available, I'm totally okay with it.

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I wouldn't have moved him either, because I think that

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the offers won't get worse at the very least, and

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if anything, you're gonna open up more suitors like the

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Spurs or the Rockets, maybe even the Thunder the Hawks,

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depending on how the lottery shakes out, depending on how

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the players the playoffs, excuse me shakeout. That is all fine,

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but I really just I understand the whole Sham's business

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model and just NBA rumors at large.

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Speaker 1: The way the sausage is made is icky at times.

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It's not great.

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Speaker 2: Let's not pretend because Jannis posted legends recruit or don't leave.

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the Bucks to move him.

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Speaker 1: They didn't. I think that was the smart move.

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freaking cool if he stays, wins another title, or is

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just a one team player and their relevant. I'm not

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mad they didn't trade him, but let's not pretend that

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this was a fabricated situation. And That's where I'm at

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with the Bucks. And my final thought is, if you

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were gonna keep you, honest, they better be on the

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same page this time because their biggest move was getting

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and there's already stuff floating around about that he'll play

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a little bit or maybe won't go full board, this

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better beyond the same page because we thought this year

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was gonna be kind of a gap year for them. Anyway,

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even after waving and stretching Dame, he didn't seem happy

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with that, So I don't want to hear that they

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are like at odds now, you better be on the

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same page if you kept him that because you didn't

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make the big move, so you're not you're not planning

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around the season, which again, not only do I think

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get traded without saying trade me. And maybe he did

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say trade me, and we just don't know about it, right, Like,

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so here's here's where I think I'm at. Now, I'm

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real fucking tired of the whole thing. Just that's This

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is gonna be a theme throughout. I hope everyone's picking

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up on this. Uh. I think the biggest issue for

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will we will. The only difference is when we will

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again address this, which will be later, which will be

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this offseason, because Giannis will be eligible to sign an

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extension and he will or he won't and will do

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things from Scham's and or previous situations when Jannis has

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basically made clear that he would like to be in

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Milwaukee and is committed but or I want to win

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here but or some version of that, right, and again

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of cool in a weird way that he wants to

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stay put and wants to be a one team player.

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Like you said, we're on board that that's the laudable

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thing to be. It's hard to do that. It's rare.

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I guess it showcases some level of loyalty in a

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business that really has none unless you're in the absolute

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upper crust and you're good enough to warrant that kind

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of loyalty from a team. But nothing's changed. The Bucks

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are still in as bad a position relative to Janice's

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sort of hopes for being on a contending roster as

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they were before the deadline. Like I and I don't

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see a way for that to change. I don't know,

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like you know what I mean, Like, what what's gonna happen?

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They're they're gonna trade, They're they're gonna make another Miles

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turnerish signing or Damian lillardish trade. That hasn't been enough,

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and Giannie will be older and and is coming off

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this calf, and who knows what that's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Look, what's what?

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Speaker 3: What circumstances have changed on the ground that will prevent

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this from happening again? At its first opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I honestly don't think that it's gonna be. That's my

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feeling is, I don't think you, honest is on the

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Bucks to start next year.

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Speaker 1: I kind of hope I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: The one team that but this to me is from

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the Bucks perspective is more about there will be teams

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that don't come out of the woodwork, but teams that

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we have talked about that just weren't rumored to be

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after him now I think you look, what's changed is

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the offers for him. I honestly, who had the best

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offer for young Like the actual sourced rumor for him?

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Speaker 1: Most of them were dog shit.

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Speaker 2: It evolved a lot of well, what if this team

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trades this player and gets eight first round picks they

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Speaker 3: So so you're right, that will change because something we

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Jake Fisher on the on the live stream cool flex thanks.

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I told Jay it was a cool flex that he

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had a phone battery. I think I hope he didn't

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take offense to that. Uh, what will change is like

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San Antonio might lose in the first round and they're like,

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all right, enough of this like slow playing this Wemby stuff.

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Let's go right. Then there's then they can put an

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offer on the table. It's better than anything the Bucks

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anything they're going to get over the summer.

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Speaker 1: Throw the Rockets in there, throw.

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Speaker 3: The Knicks, improving their their potential offer the Wolves maybe can.

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and what is I guess my core source of frustration, uh,

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is that Giannis wants to win a title, wants to

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contend for a title. It cannot happen in Milwaukee. So,

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like I guess maybe this is like residual frustration from

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a year ago when I said that, and probably two

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years like two years ago when I said that, and

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and so it's it's I'm trying to hold two ideas

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in tandem. One is I think it's it's nice that

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he wants to be on this team and he like

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he wants to he doesn't want to demand a trade.

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I think that's nice. I think I'm having a hard

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time holding that at the same time as why like

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him convincing himself that he that that it can happen there?

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It can't. Man it can't, so so like we're just

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gonna burn more calories and waste more time doing the

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Speaker 2: The only counter I will give you is that they

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will have three first round picks to trade this summer.

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sweep Steaks unfolded, based off how the Anthony Davis Sweepstakes unfolded,

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based off how the Tree Young sweep Steaks unfolded, three

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first round picks, I think goes further than it used to.

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Speaker 1: It might.

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Speaker 2: You might even get to a point where it's so

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they're gonna get the less favorable of their own and

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two for there's two additional first round picks post twenty

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thirty that they could trade, twenty thirty one and twenty

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thirty three. There's a chance, I'm not saying it could

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definitely happen that you could keep this year's pick and

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then you trade the other two and get like a

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real player in here, someone better than John or better

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fitting than John Moran. And now what the Bucks have

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done is that's an areo still on the table. But

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I just think, then okay, and if it's not if

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it doesn't pan out, if he wants out. Look, the

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offers are gonna either be the same, but they'll probably

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be better just by virtue of there being more teams involved.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I think

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here's the other this is the other obvious point that's

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been made, is that if you're trading for your honest

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in the offseason, as opposed to the deadline, you're getting

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maybe one playoff run out of him, and that's worse

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than two. However, if you are trading for him, you

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you better goddamn we'll know that you're gonna be able

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to extend him, right like that.

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Speaker 1: So that's on you at that point, right, that's on you, Right, Yeah,

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I just I mean, I don't know. Here's my thing.

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Speaker 2: I understand we all have fatigue from this, and I

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actually understand why the Bucks are annoyed that everyone. I

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if the perspective was, well, they should have just moved

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him at this deadline and taken what they could have gotten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's not right, that's right. We are a

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total alignment on that. The offers were not good enough.

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I'm just annoyed at the position at just typical Warriors fan.

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Speaker 1: How mad, just super mad. Yeah, let's move on.

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Speaker 3: You get to pick.

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Speaker 1: Now where we go?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think, well, I guess this is maybe

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the biggest trade. Let's let's do the Anthony Davis to

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the Wizards deal.

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Speaker 1: What is it that that's like?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I well, there is one other

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one that I think actually is more relevant to like

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actual competitive basketball this season, which we will get to.

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Speaker 1: But so we're starting with the Wizards, starting with the shocking.

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Speaker 3: Shocking trade. Yes, Anthony Anthony Davis getting traded, not shocking.

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Landing with the Wizard wards really surprising. So the particulars

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of that for anyone that forgot in the last week,

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because it's been a blur. The MAVs send Anthony Davis,

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Dante Exem, Jaden Hardy, D'Angelo Russell to the Washington Wizards.

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That's a huge amount of salary. In return, the Mavericks

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receive Marvin Bagley, the third, Malachi Branham, AJ Johnson, Chris Middleton,

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the Oklahoma City Thunder's twenty twenty six first round pick,

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just In Penn. That's the twenty ninth or thirtieth pick

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in this upcoming draft. The Phoenix Suns twenty six second,

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Warriors twenty thirty first, which is effectively a fake first,

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that's what we like to call it has top twenty

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protection becomes a second if not conveyed.

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Speaker 2: So can I add kaya one thing before cincher. We're

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going to talk about this in the macro. Yeah, it

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is very likely that the Wizards acquired Trey Young and

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Anthony Davis while giving up one first round pick that

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will be the number thirty pick, and that is not

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their own picks. I don't care what you like. We

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have to get into the extensions what it means for

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the team.

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Speaker 1: That's objectively insane.

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Speaker 3: So so right, like let's start there, Like value wise,

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I don't care what Anthony Davis makes. It's he's Anthony Davis.

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Like you don't know how many games you're gonna get

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out of him, or like how much more weight he's

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gonna put on I'm real punchy tonight or of.

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Speaker 1: It, or or.

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Speaker 3: How he'll produce as he ages. Right, it's still Anthony Davis,

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and then it's still Tree Young. Similar arguments. You're not

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really sure, like how productive, he's gonna be Can you

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build all these qu for one terrible first? Like, okay, yeah,

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sign me up. It's a fascinating roster building conversation. We

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could do a whole pod on like, oh, is this

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a new way to just kick start out of a

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rebuild when you have like some in between pieces that

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aren't cornerstones. You'll get some like flawed cornerstones in there

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for a minute and just let the the the in

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between young guys marinate. Interesting. But you're right, like the

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value it's just you. I think you just do this

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if you're Washington, especially if the alternative is, well, we

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got to burn this cap space on somebody at some

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point this summer. Are we gonna do better than Anthony

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Davis and Trey Young? Like I don't think so. So

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it it's ill fitting because of just where the Wizards are.

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Davis and Young are both distressed assets obviously because that

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you know that because they came so cheap and it's

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very strange. But I think where you start with this

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is like, if you're the Wizards, why not, right, Like,

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why not for that price?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for I was having this discussion with more in

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a DM and he just thinks he says he's ultra conservative.

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we'll be reading comments we go through, but because stream

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them on screen otherwise they'll ruin our format like Ratt

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just did. So if he could take screen, that would

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Speaker 1: So the MAVs should rehire and fire Nico Harrison. So

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I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm of the why not mine because they gave up

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afterthought assets and you could say, well, they're cost controlled

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assets and it's I mean, it's the number thirty pick

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in this year's draft you have. I this is gonna

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come down to two things for me, because you could

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you could be concerned about the on court fit between

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Alex Sarr and Anthony Davis. As an example, Sars not

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a good enough shooter yet, but he will shoot it.

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Trey Young, because there's very few players who when they're

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even a ze forget about his scoring efficiency, where he's

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a semblance of healthy, his ability to make chemistry with bigs,

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to work in tight spaces, that'll help both of them. Yeah,

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you should have concerned, well, how how much is he

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gonna be on the ball? What does that mean for

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Keyshawn George? What does that mean for Trey Johnson? What

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does that mean for this year's first round pick? Those

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are absolutely concerns I think, looking at what we know

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right now, one give the Wizards up front office the

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benefit of the doubt. What have they done to short

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circuit anything since Michael Winger and Dawkins took over the

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Other thing here, too, is a lot of it kind

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of also rests on, well, what do they extend them

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four and if they decide not, let's just say they

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don't extend them, Trey Young plays out his player option

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leaves for nothing. Anthony Davis plays out his contract and

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leaves for nothing. Okay, there's also a chance that even

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if they don't sign an extension, let's say Trey Young

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plays out next year on an expiring contract. Isn't there

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a chance they get more than c J McCollum and

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Corey Kispert for Trey Young?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, right, So absolutely. Here's the other thing.

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So the argument you might we probably have made in

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similar situations was like, ah, man, now you're just getting

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in the way of the reps and the development for

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these guys, these young players you have while worsening your

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draft picks. So you're you're you're diminishing your chance at

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getting another cornerstone player, right, That's what that's That's an argument.

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That is that is if you wanted to make that

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argument against this trade, We've done it, and it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again too.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it again maybe within the hour. The thing is, like,

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I'm fascinated that that maybe this is a different way

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to operate as a rebuilder, because like I think we

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we like Keishawn George, we like Alex Aar, We've we've

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loved bilall Coolbally. I'm not sure where we are on

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him at the moment, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I like him as a friend.

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Speaker 3: I think I think he seems like a nice guy,

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probably good listener.

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Speaker 1: He changed his Andrew Tate adjacent reading habit.

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Speaker 3: You can't lead me down these roads.

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Speaker 1: I don't tell you about just a basketball player, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, just the basketball player that really threw me.

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Speaker 1: But podcast ruined.

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Speaker 3: We've also never really been convinced that any of those

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guys is like well that's the guy, right, We're like,

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maybe you got a squint or like, well, I could

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see him being a number two or a three on

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a good team. So if that's what you have, what's

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wrong with bringing in some guys that will probably help

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you win the Wizards should? I mean, what's our expectation

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for their record next year? Five hundred? Maybe better? Like

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who knows could injuries have? We'll have a lot, right,

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anything's possible. So maybe you at these these these prospects

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that you still like but aren't sure about, as like

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cornerstones with a capital C. You get them some reps

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in meaningful games which matter, or like more meaningful anyway,

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which matter, and you might get a better sense of

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what role they should ultimately play, right Like, like, if

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Sar becomes undeniable, it's like, okay, great, But if not,

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it's like, Okay, he's getting used to the role we're

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gonna really ultimately want him in. And the reality of

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it is, teams are Teams can get their cornerstones at

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sixteen or at twenty or a or at eleven in

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the draft. It doesn't need to be the number one pick,

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right like, so you can kind of have it both ways.

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I'm interested to see if we see more rebuilds get

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short circuited in this particular way where it's like short

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term commitment what we did, maybe we should move there.

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We probably said enough on this trait the Mavericks side.

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I know you hate the Mavericks side, and I want

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to let you cook for a minute.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I want to add to the was

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is I actually think the only reason to give this

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a demerit would be you think that their cap space

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was going to go further than this, And the answer

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to that is just no way to like. The answer

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is just no or And this to me is the

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most valued point. You think that they're going to just

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give these guys extensions that should not be signed, and

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then we can revisit this if they do. As of

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right now, I'm just willing to give them the benefit

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of the doubt. We do want to go to the

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Maverick side of this. I was I said this while

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I was doing Did I.

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Speaker 1: Say it to you or did I just post it?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember diverging from consensus more often than I

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did this trade deadline, and it actually makes me feel

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really bad, like my stomach was churning because not that

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I want to have hive mind, but you feel more

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confident when.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're missing something right.

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Speaker 2: And everyone's like man Dallas, like yeah, they did it,

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and I'm like, what, here's my thing?

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Speaker 1: Yes, this you have to well, you don't have.

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Speaker 2: To like, yeah, let's look at the Luka Danc's trade

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tree because it's hysterical, but you do have to evaluate

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this deal independent of that. What we don't have to

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do is evaluate it independent of oh, hey, Patrick Dumott income,

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he had enough information in the off season to realize

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that they fucked up and Nico should have already been gone,

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or that they could have traded Anthony Dave and excuse me,

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that they could have traded Anthony Davis for more than

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what is probably going to be a first round pick

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that is number thirty.

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Speaker 1: And I understand they got a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Salary off the books. Congratulations, I understand you don't own

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your what are you doing? They don't have enough flexibility

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to where you're gonna go out there and sign a

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big name in free agency because hey, Grant, guess what,

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that doesn't happen anymore for starters too. They're not dealing

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with that type of flexibility just yet. And you're also

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not going to just necessarily acquire someone to expedite your

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timeline because you don't control your own first round pick

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after this year. Again, until I think their's is twenty thirty,

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maybe it's twenty thirty one, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't remember, long time. Whatever it is long time.

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Speaker 2: So I just think that they Even if you separate

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this from the lukadancicch trade, you are not going to

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convince me that you couldn't have gotten more for Anthony Davis,

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either over the off season or more critically, had you

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been willing to take Let's let's use the Raptors as

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an example. I understand the Yaka Pertole deal goes on forever.

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Do you think it would have ham struggl the Cooper

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Flag timeline that much if you were getting three first

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round picks up from the Raptors and so if you

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didn't like I'm just using them an example. If he

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didn't like them, fine, if you think this was the best. Now,

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if you think this was the best deal out there,

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Because I do believe that front offices are not actively

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in the business of choosing deliberately worse deals, I guess

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this one did last last year, but it's a different

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front office.

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Speaker 3: They just didn't They just didn't seek out other options.

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Speaker 1: Right, are you going to tell me over the off season?

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Speaker 2: First of all, I don't buy into this idea that

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there's no way Anthony Davis could have come back healthy.

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And if this was his value, you're telling me he

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had no chance of rebooting it. I know he hasn't

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looked great in Dallas. I know that him and Cooper

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flag fit isn't great. That's I totally understand that more

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teams have flexibility in the summer, more teams can talk

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themselves into.

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Speaker 1: Weird shit over the summer.

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Speaker 2: And this wasn't a can't miss return, and their books

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aren't just like when you kind of look at it,

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it's not like they're squeaky clean moving forward. So it's

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I hated this for the maps. I just I do,

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or I don't think it doesn't. They're not any worse off,

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but they're also not any better off to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're moving Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Davis, I need to be able to sit here and

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say that, yeah, you're definitively better off.

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Speaker 3: So I think I'm with you. I would say that

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if the if a component of your distaste for this

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trade involves So the further maybe the better way to

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frame it is the further back you go, the easier

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it is to just get to an f if you're

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grading this trade, you know, like if it's in analyzing

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what they could have got had they traded him before

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the season, which they should have, which they didn't because

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Nico Harrison was still there and he was pot committed,

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or if they just the further back you if he's

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Luka Doncrits instead of Anthony Davis, like you just go,

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you go all the way back, it gets worse and

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worse and worse. What I I think I agree with

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you completely on is just just just not seeing this

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as like the best value you're gonna get for Anthony Davis.

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Like flaws and all, and pretty clear clutch pressure campaign

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to get him out of there and all. It seems

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like a couple components were at play here that to me,

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like I wanted to make sense because I want to

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believe that, like these people are competent that are making

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00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,839
these decisions they and they are to to almost one

473
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,720
hundred percent certainty, Nico Harrison's not there anymore. I think

474
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:42,799
he made an incompetent decision, but like I just I

475
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,200
just can't get to someone would need to explain to

476
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,279
me what the drawback would have been waiting to the

477
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,160
off season, Like I don't I don't understand. It's the

478
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,920
same Yiannis logic. It's like Chris Middleton, those those offers suck,

479
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,720
don't accept them, like you. I gotta believe Anthony Davis

480
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359
could have gone for more had they waited, So it

481
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,039
seems like they wanted to turn the page. That was

482
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,400
a factor. I think fair they like And I don't

483
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,519
know how you weigh that. It's not like an analytical concern.

484
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,000
It's just like, we gotta not be this. We gotta

485
00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,200
not do this anymore. We need to like scrub the

486
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,279
hard drive of any like cookies that involve Anthony Davis

487
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,599
or Nico or Luca or anything. We have Cooper flag. Now,

488
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,920
let's just look at that and not anything else that

489
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,799
happened before. And Anthony Davis being around is like, oh right,

490
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,920
remember that. You know, I think that was a huge factor.

491
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,880
And it's the only thing that starts to make it

492
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,680
like understandable that they took what they got for him.

493
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: You know what, I might be understating the importance of

494
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,400
the turning the page factor, because now it's just you

495
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,079
got this out of the way, and the Lukadantich trade

496
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,200
like the Lukadantichch trade can now because that was part

497
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:52,720
of the narrative.

498
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: It had to be exhausting for everyone involved.

499
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: That's still a rash decision though, right, Like that's not

500
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,119
a logically based decision. That's like an emotional decision of like,

501
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480
I don't like how it feels to have to think

502
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:06,000
about this anymore, you know what I mean?

503
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, So would you have made this deal or would

504
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:09,640
you have waited?

505
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 3: I would have waited. I would have waited, And you

506
00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,519
know what, this is a terrible deal, Like it's just you.

507
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:16,640
You aren't getting anything.

508
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,839
Speaker 1: Dest Bain was drafted at number thirty.

509
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: Grand I just said you could get a cornerstone at sixteen.

510
00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:23,559
So what am I saying?

511
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: Here's my other thing, too, is that I think we're

512
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,079
passed at least the way that the CBA is currently

513
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,720
set up, and we were all wrong. It is not

514
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,640
nuked the trade market. It has killed free agency. But

515
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,119
what I will say is some people say, see, you

516
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000
said it made trades harder. As someone who grades every

517
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,920
single trade. It is absolutely made trades harder. It is,

518
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,880
and there's like a third team involved, and it feels

519
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,000
like everything. I want to ban second round pick swaps.

520
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,559
Those are stupid and not cool. And I'd also like

521
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,960
to institute a band on. If you're going to report something,

522
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,480
you have to report the details.

523
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:53,759
Speaker 1: No more.

524
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: Vita Zoobox was traded to the Indiana Pacers, then waiting

525
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,000
fifteen minutes to tell us for who that is?

526
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:03,559
Speaker 1: Bs Anyway, I don't think players tray.

527
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: As an example. Anthony Davis is now an example. You

528
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,720
want an extension, Okay, cool, you're not getting one. I'm

529
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,839
all for players if they can get one, Yes, Simon

530
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:16,240
one negotiated. Why do you feel pressure to because if

531
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,440
this is the return you're gonna get for Anthony Davis,

532
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,720
why do you feel what we got to extend him?

533
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: Because what if we lose him for nothing? You just

534
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,480
did What's different? You just did it?

535
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I don't.

536
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't abscribe to that logic anymore.

537
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: I want to say something nice about the Mavericks, though,

538
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,519
I did think they made a smart move doing Malachi

539
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,559
Brandon for Tias Jones, and they wouldn't have had the

540
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:36,400
flexibility to do.

541
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,559
Speaker 1: That without moving Anthony Davis. That's not the reason to

542
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:39,039
move him.

543
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:41,319
Speaker 2: But and by the way, they did get off the

544
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,319
Hardy deals, as you mentioned, they did get off the D'Angelo.

545
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,799
Speaker 1: Russell player option.

546
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,839
Speaker 2: But I think Tias Jones he's not what he's been

547
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,200
in Orlando, and he's not really even what he's been

548
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,720
in what he was in Phoenix. I think just if

549
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,559
there's someone who plays adult in the room basketball, it's him.

550
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,079
I think that will benefit Cooper flag if Derek uh,

551
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,759
if he well, Derek lave he's not gonna play again

552
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,240
the season, it' help Daniel, It'll just help everybody. So

553
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,920
I thought that was a good move, even though I

554
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,799
was not a fan of the Anthony Davis move.

555
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, let's I guess. I guess Europe, you get

556
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,039
to choose now, just a tight twenty five minutes on

557
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:16,599
one trade. So far, we're doing great.

558
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: We're doing We did three. We did Giannis, the MAVs

559
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,119
and the three teams. That's fine, all right, Let's do

560
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,279
Garland for Harden. Yeah, let's start with the Calves because

561
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,720
we have other stuff to get through with the Clippers.

562
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,279
Speaking of me, I don't know if I diverge from

563
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:36,640
consensus on this grant. But my reaction to the Darius

564
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Gorn for James Harden trade was a big boatload of

565
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,759
why I understand that James Horn is the better player

566
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:45,920
right now in theory he gives you better title equity

567
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,920
right now. I don't think he improves your title equity

568
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,559
enough to go all in on right now. To the

569
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,200
Darius Garland is ten years younger. I know he's developed

570
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,799
injury struggle struggles. Both of us had him on an

571
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:01,160
All NBA team last season. So I didn't view this

572
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,039
and something did still come out for sure as Oh,

573
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,359
the Cavs know something is sinister up with his ankle

574
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720
because they they I know it was a second round pick.

575
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,319
They touched a pick to Darius Garland to get thirty

576
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,400
six year old James Harden.

577
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,039
Speaker 1: This very much wreaked of.

578
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,799
Speaker 2: They're worried about Donovan Mitchell leaving a requesting out if

579
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,119
they flame out in the playoffs.

580
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I you know what this? Go ahead, Yeah, go ahead

581
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:25,240
say it.

582
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:33,519
Speaker 3: It's like see painting a scene. Guys, Donovan's gonna be

583
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,000
pissed off and he's not gonna stay if if we

584
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,359
have a colossal playoff flame out. What's the solution, James,

585
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,160
James Harden is the solution. What like that?

586
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: You trade you?

587
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: You because if he suggested it, you trade Donovan Mitchell

588
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,440
at that point, if he's the one telling you to

589
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,000
go dravon.

590
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: Look, James Harden is durable and really good. So I

591
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,839
don't mean to denigrate him in that sense, but did

592
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,839
you acquit you? You have to pay James.

593
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about Darius Garland two years

594
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,039
left on his contract, James Harden and we have to

595
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,720
get into the Clippers and did the aspiration stuff dictate

596
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,880
anything they're doing with their trade deadline? But James Harden

597
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,680
wanted out of LA because they weren't gonna pay him,

598
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,720
and now you're gonna have to pay him.

599
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,079
Speaker 1: He's just older. It's so I hated this move.

600
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,039
Speaker 2: I under I understand it if you didn't think Darius

601
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,240
Corn was ever gonna be healthy for this season. But

602
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,039
if you make a trade like this where you get

603
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,839
ten years older and are trading someone in that deal,

604
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,119
the younger player who was just in the All NBA conversations.

605
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Last season, that's a problem. That's a real problem.

606
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I just so The problem with the

607
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680
like the bit that I just did about like making

608
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,880
fun of the Cavs for like James Harden is the

609
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,319
solution to our playoff disappointments, is that, like it's the

610
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,240
most hack sports talk radio take there is. But it's

611
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,160
like it's kind of you could stop the analysis there.

612
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,559
This is a dumb trade because all James Harden does

613
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,960
is disappoint in the playoffs and then asked to be

614
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,279
traded if you don't give him exactly what he wants.

615
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,319
And the Calves are just signing up for that. So

616
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,119
to me, what could go wrong? What could go wrong?

617
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: This?

618
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,319
Speaker 3: Really? Again, I want it to make sense. I want

619
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,319
to believe these are rational actors. The Calves have to

620
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:26,640
be so convinced that Darius Garland is done as as

621
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:31,240
like an all star player and like these toe injuries.

622
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,200
It's both great toes that have had issues. Now he's

623
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,000
a small guard.

624
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you call them great toes. That's what they're called,

625
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,000
great toes, called the great toes.

626
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: Called the great toe. Yeah, it's like.

627
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to overstate this,

628
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,279
but I think you just changed my life.

629
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know this at all.

630
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,359
Speaker 3: But Darius Carl Darius Garland's great toes not so good there.

631
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,319
So maybe the Calves are just like this is never

632
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,480
getting better, which is like, I don't know how you

633
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:01,519
know that maybe they do. And if that's the case,

634
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,480
this is still a crazy trade with too much risk

635
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,000
for me. So that's as close as I can get

636
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,720
to making sense of it, I will concede Garland. Garland

637
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,319
is an inferior player to James Harden right now today.

638
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:20,279
Uh so, so I get, I get, and like maybe

639
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:25,200
at some point the playoff disappointment streak ends like.

640
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Salty who says we need feet picks for garlic. Oh sorry,

641
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:39,519
I don't know.

642
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to justify it for the Calves, and it's

643
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,319
just it's it's difficult. It's the kind of thing where

644
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,400
I think you you said, like, if this is what

645
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Donovan Mitchell wants or he's out, then I think it's

646
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,839
time to say, like you can be out, Like this

647
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,200
just isn't worth it, I don't think.

648
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: Because there's a chance that it much if this blows

649
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:01,759
up in your face.

650
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 2: So now like at least you would it anyway, right,

651
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
you would have been left with like Darius Garland and

652
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Evan Mobley and then if you decide to keep Jared

653
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Allen there, I understand there was pressure, so I kind

654
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,279
of the I'm sorry. The only way this works out

655
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,279
a short of them is either they win a title,

656
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,079
and if they win a title this season, you never

657
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,920
have to apologize or Darius Garland has just cooked.

658
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: Which I just I'm sorry, I refuse.

659
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,759
Speaker 2: This is the first year of his career that they've

660
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,079
been worse with him on the floor.

661
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: You don't I'm not just prepared to throw away that track.

662
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 2: I understand the injuries, and I also understand that, like

663
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,519
the James Harden jokes get a little tied. James Harden

664
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,599
has been fantastic this year, and he's gonna lighten the

665
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,000
load upon Donovan Mitchell. I think the chemistry he'll have

666
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,759
with Jared Allen will be great. I mean, should see

667
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,880
how him and Evan Mobley work together and how this.

668
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,920
But he's gonna slow you down too, like in that like,

669
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,119
so if you want to play it a little bit

670
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,960
more of a er neetic pace in certain situations that

671
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,559
all of a sudden needs to happen only in secondary lineups.

672
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a it's a big risk. I didn't

673
00:31:58,319 --> 00:31:58,599
like it.

674
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: What did you think before going on the Clippers about

675
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,240
the rest of their deadline, the cost cutting. I don't

676
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,920
think it wasn't a huge opportunistic cost but they are

677
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,200
very very not wing heavy, is the best way that

678
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,920
I would describe it.

679
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well so I yeah, I guess I think we

680
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,319
I don't know if we talked about it. I thought,

681
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,960
I think Kean Ellis is probably a more valuable player

682
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,440
than DeAndre Hunter, Like, even without the monies involved.

683
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,599
Speaker 2: Here, you're right, but it's he's like, you're right, but

684
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,119
it's all there's something just I feel better about putting

685
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,079
DeAndre Hunter on a wing than I do of putting

686
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Kean Ellis on.

687
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: He can't guard anyone who's really got much.

688
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: Bigger than him, And to be honest, he made more

689
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,680
sense on a team as as a third guard that

690
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,079
had Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland because he just comes

691
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,119
in and guards the other backcourt player that you don't

692
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,480
want either of those guys to guard in the sort

693
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,200
of when you have one or the other on the

694
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,480
floor shrewders. I don't know. Whatever. Yeah, I think some

695
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,119
of the cost cutting I can get behind. So am

696
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:05,000
I forgetting anything else. They dumped Lonzo effectively, they're gonna

697
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,839
be able to convert PLoud in right, Yeah, and I

698
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,839
think which makes sense.

699
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,519
Speaker 2: Do you view any of the Garland stuff or anything

700
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,640
that they did, I think certainly maybe the Hunter thing.

701
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,480
Do you view it as a real vote of confidence

702
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,799
and what they've seen from Jalen Tyson this year?

703
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

704
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even Tyson, I wish you were just like

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,440
more of a definite wing than he is, Like I

706
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,200
wish he had a little more size, But yeah, that

707
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,160
has to have been part of it. And that's a

708
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,440
that's a decent bet to me. Again, it all made

709
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,240
sense to me just right up until you decided that

710
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,279
James Harden is the answer to your problems. Because the

711
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,039
best you can say about James Harden is he's the

712
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,400
answer for a minute, and then he is the problem.

713
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,599
So the Cavs are just gonna be waiting for that

714
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920
shoe to drop and it could happen, like it could

715
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,240
happen in what what two months, and we're just gonna

716
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960
be looking at James Harden is gonna ask out and

717
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,279
Donovan Mitchell is signaling he's not gonna extend, Like we're

718
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,799
not that far from that that eventuality, we're.

719
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,279
Speaker 2: Gonna move on to the Clippers, and we should talk

720
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,360
about their trade deadline at large.

721
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,039
Speaker 1: Let's also we know what they traded for.

722
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,119
Speaker 2: They got Darius Carlin and a second round pick for

723
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,719
James Harden, who says he didn't request the trade, but

724
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,880
it feels like he requested a trade. I'm not gonna

725
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,400
throw it all on him, but at the very least

726
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,199
it was a mutual parting of the ways. They also

727
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,920
traded of each a Zoo bots to the Pacers. They

728
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,239
traded Viacha Zoo Botch and Kobe Brown to the Pacers.

729
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,559
Four Isaiah Jackson, Benedicmathrin, Indy's twenty twenty six first round

730
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,760
pick that they will only get if it falls between

731
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,599
five and nine, and then if if it's not between

732
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,679
five and nine, it turns into an unprotected twenty thirty

733
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,360
one first round pick. They got Dallas's twenty twenty eight

734
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,719
second round pick and then an unprotected Indiana first round

735
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,119
pick in twenty twenty nine.

736
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,679
Speaker 1: I don't actually this deal.

737
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: I've we'll talk about the Pacers next, obviously, but this

738
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,719
deal I look at it and and yeah, that the

739
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Clippers just had to make it. I don't, but I

740
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,480
think so I'm curious as to what you think though

741
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,159
about Like what that so that you turn James harden

742
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,800
I vias A zoobots into two Indiana unprotected first round

743
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,519
picks Bennet mcmathrin and Darius Garland and two seconds.

744
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,159
Speaker 1: I like, that's a really good trade deadline.

745
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,039
Speaker 2: And what I'm more interested is, like, I think Darius

746
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:26,440
Garland if he's healthy. I saw a lot of people saying, well, yeah,

747
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,360
they're probably gonna look at trading zoobots now that they

748
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,719
have Garland, and I was like, well, Darre's Garland, if he's.

749
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,159
Speaker 1: Healthy, is still like an All NBA type player. They

750
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:35,119
could still just be good.

751
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: So are they not planning on him playing anytime soon?

752
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,480
The fact that they moved zoobots does it?

753
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: Like what that Like?

754
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,599
Speaker 2: That's what I'm just trying, like, so they don't control

755
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,800
their own first round picks for the next few years.

756
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,440
So I'm just and GWI still on this team. It's

757
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,320
just a little weird, right, Like what does you read

758
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,320
on their direction it?

759
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,679
Speaker 3: I think maybe the simplest place to start is where

760
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,119
you started was just saying, this is just an offer

761
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:04,320
you say yes to because you're getting an unprotected future

762
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,719
first and maybe enough and you're getting two firsts and

763
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,039
one of them is unprotected or I guess the twenty thirty.

764
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,400
Would the twenty thirty one be unprotected if it doesn't

765
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,079
fall in that narrow range? Yes, in twenty six, so

766
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,719
you might be getting two unprotected future first from a

767
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,679
team that India Indiana is gonna be good. But who knows.

768
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,400
That's that's far enough out where we like, what if

769
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,840
tyres Haliburtn's never the same? You know, I don't know

770
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,480
like that, that's that's not impossible. So there's real upside there.

771
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,360
And Zubots is at best your second best player on

772
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,880
a decent team, third or fourth best on a on

773
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,079
like a real contender. You know, I think you just

774
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,840
do that. I think one thing this reflects not to

775
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,519
get on too much of a tangent here is that

776
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,719
like Trey Young doesn't get you any picks and it

777
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,199
beats the Zubots gets you too. Unprotected firsts, like teams

778
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,519
are just really making it clear that you need to

779
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,280
fit into a system, not cost a lot of money,

780
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:05,000
and be just easy to work around. And that's worth

781
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,079
a lot. And if you're not that you're not worth

782
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:08,920
nearly as much.

783
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: You're to your big contract point too. You could make

784
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,800
the case that the Clippers got more for Vita Zubots

785
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800
than the Grizzlies got for Jaron Jackson Jr.

786
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: Just because of the value of those two picks.

787
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,559
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it depends on your, uh,

788
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:25,000
how you feel about Benedict Mathern.

789
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,079
Speaker 3: Sure, Sure, And I think it's just if you're looking for,

790
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,639
like what are the repercussions of the apron era, Like

791
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,159
that's kind of it, man, Like what the Zubats trade

792
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,639
versus some of these other like in a vacuum, much

793
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:41,039
bigger names, much better players, the returns, much bigger salaries,

794
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,920
big factor. I think this is just indicative of like

795
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,519
this is this is what value looks like now, and

796
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,159
teams are I say, they're getting smarter about it. It

797
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:51,880
feels like they're getting this is just what the preference

798
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,599
is now. I think this is this is what first

799
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,079
we'll go for in the in this era. So what

800
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,119
are the of the Clippers like broader plans. I don't know, man,

801
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,480
I'm with you. It feels strange just because of all

802
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,840
the things I said about Zubat's value, like the Clippers

803
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880
should view him that same way, right, Like he's obviously

804
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,000
a valuable piece. He doesn't he doesn't like cramp your books,

805
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,679
and and he's a winner, and like you've just been

806
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800
very good when everybody's healthy, and he's been a huge

807
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,559
part of it. So I don't know, you can get

808
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,800
real conspiracy theory focused and say like they gotta go

809
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,159
get everybody else's picks because they're about they don't have any,

810
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,000
and they're probably gonna lose more, uh with when the

811
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,400
aspiration punishment comes down. Maybe that's it, but I don't know.

812
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: How you the theory.

813
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: My favorite conspiracy theory is that they think Kawhi's contract

814
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,239
is going to get voided, So.

815
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: Why why have any vets at all? Here?

816
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,639
Speaker 2: Like so my whole thing was I look at it

817
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:50,800
as twofold. I actually look at it through this Lenes.

818
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,400
I kind of the conspiracy theory is funnier. I wouldn't

819
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,559
say I'm rooting for it, but that's that's cooler to

820
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:56,000
talk about.

821
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: That would be better for content.

822
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 2: But I actually think the zub like the hardened thing was,

823
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,480
they probably didn't seek it out.

824
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 1: It was sort of thrust foisted.

825
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,599
Speaker 2: Upon them and if you can get Darius Garland, who

826
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,480
there's just a chance. We look back at this as

827
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:12,800
like an all time fumble by the Cavs and just

828
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,559
an all term heist by Clippers.

829
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: So you make it.

830
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Then this trade comes along for Zoobots, and it's well,

831
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:21,320
how do we say no to this? Because and I

832
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
think part of this is the logic they're making the

833
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,039
play in no matter what, just the way that the

834
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:27,760
team's behind them are not trying to win. There in

835
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,159
ninth place right now, maybe the Warriors jump them. And

836
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,639
so from the Clippers' perspective, let's say you can't keep

837
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,119
that team intact. Or let's say Darius, you did the

838
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,599
hardened trade Garland's healthie, you keep Zubots, maybe you could

839
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,280
get into the playoffs so that you get the right

840
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,519
to be trucked by the Thunder or the Nuggets or

841
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:44,760
somebody else. So it sort of felt like them reading

842
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,039
the room of Okay, we're gonna make the play in anyway,

843
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,920
this isn't shortening our season by much, if at all,

844
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,440
by doing these things. And finally, now that you did

845
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,599
take on Garland's money, We've talked a lot about their

846
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:01,320
twenty twenty seven flexibility moving zobots. They we have fifty

847
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,599
million dollars basically and guaranteed contracts on the books for

848
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,760
that year. It's forty four point nine for Garland and

849
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,000
Isaiah Jackson's at six point four. That's the only guaranteed money.

850
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,440
They will pick up others, but like they can go

851
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,239
into twenty twenty seven with absurd amounts of cap space still,

852
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,039
So this is just that's how I look at it.

853
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,480
But I do find the aspiration element interesting. We do

854
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,400
have Grant, a fellow attorney of yours in the comments, though,

855
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,800
saying as an attorney, I candissry that the Clippers have

856
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,480
no fucking idea what the NBA is thinking as far

857
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,599
as punishment unless there have been non public depositions of

858
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,599
sorts incriminating the clips. I would the latter surprise you

859
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,159
based off knowing that we've heard the law firm has

860
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,199
interviewed Pablo Torre that there's just been these deposits.

861
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

862
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:56,199
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I don't know. I would assume, I would

863
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,599
assume the Clippers have a rough idea of like what

864
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,039
and of what might be possible punishment. Wise, I don't

865
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,480
think they can know you know with with a high

866
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:10,719
degree of certainty. The only thing everybody said it, but

867
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,400
like the only thing we know for certain is that

868
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,760
there's nothing coming out till after the All Star Game

869
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,360
like period, so that that's the only given in this

870
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,000
whole thing. As you were describing, sort of, well, a

871
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,239
couple offers came in for the Clippers that they just like, well,

872
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,400
we have to take this. I think it's interesting to

873
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,360
think about it through the lens of like sometimes you

874
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
don't get to choose when your rebuild starts, Like sometimes

875
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,079
it just chooses you. And like this one just kind

876
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:38,519
of rolled up and and yeah, okay, trade hard Zubots.

877
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 2: Like sure if they view it as a rebuild, though,

878
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,119
why is Coli still on this team?

879
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure, Well, because nobody's gonna trade anything for him,

880
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:47,599
because who knows, he might retire.

881
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 2: We've said, we've said it, he just might Like if

882
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,440
you trade him to the Kings, he's probably gonna retire.

883
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Well that that, and it's just like whatever

884
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,280
happens with the Aspiration fallout might just make him like

885
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,719
someone you cannot have on your team. Very surprising.

886
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: I thought they had an excellent trade deadline and the

887
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,280
final note on them is they're like less than two

888
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,039
million dollars from ducking the tacks. Now, so somebody getting

889
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:12,159
traded on draft night. I don't know who, but somebody is.

890
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Do you want to talk about indie side of this deal?

891
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,239
We're not grading things. I was writing it and I

892
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,960
still hadn't figured like it's the longest blurb, in part

893
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,840
because I thought I had to do a standalone article

894
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,079
for them too, and it turns out I didn't.

895
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: For anyone who cares.

896
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: It is the longest fucking analysis I wrote because I

897
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,039
find it so fascinating, and I settled on.

898
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:36,519
Speaker 1: This was too much.

899
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,159
Speaker 2: I don't know that this was the guy Haliburton's coming

900
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,320
back from a serious injury. For as much as I

901
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,280
think Zobots brings to the table, there's heft on the glass.

902
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,280
Maybe they offensive rebound now. I'm actually not worried about

903
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,880
him playing up tempo like the Pacers aren't. They're not

904
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,840
going to first of all, blitz full court all the time.

905
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,239
But he's just he played in a faster paced Clipper

906
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,199
system before. I mean, look at the first half of

907
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,760
last season or whatever it was. I just look at

908
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,440
it and say, the fit with him in Pascal Siakam

909
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,639
is not super intuitive. His contract is great and it

910
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
lasts another two We're like a year away from talking

911
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,320
about what if a vi'sa Zubas doesn't sign an extension

912
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,159
or something. And what I struggled with was, was it

913
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:17,920
if it.

914
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,039
Speaker 1: Was one of these picks?

915
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,159
Speaker 2: But the fact that it was both Mathern seemed to

916
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,320
bug Pacers fans like losing him some people more than

917
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,079
it bugged me. It's the pick equity here, because you're

918
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,880
in real trouble if Tyre's had because your timeline horizon.

919
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,920
I know you have Tyre's Halliburton, but Pascal Siakam's not

920
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:40,000
that young. And are we sure that Tyre's Haliburt can

921
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,400
just come back and meet Tyre's Haliburton after that Achilles injury?

922
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:45,679
But I did the one thing that I really wanted

923
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:47,960
to ask you, aside from your overall thoughts, is is

924
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,639
it better or worse that let's assume they keep this

925
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,760
year's pick. I'm just gonna assume it's like a fifty

926
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,360
When you look at the odds, it's like a close

927
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,480
to a fifty to fifty or sixty forty proposition, Is

928
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
it better that they kicked out the commitments or do

929
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,199
you view it as worse that they did that?

930
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, I.

931
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: We feel pretty confident that I think it's probably better

932
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,760
that they kicked it out because if you trade that

933
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,440
twenty twenty six first without all these protections, and you

934
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,360
it's number one, which it could easily be given where

935
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
the Pacers are, you just you can't live with that,

936
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,559
right Like that, that's kind of where the analysis stops

937
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,960
for me. It is kind of like the definition of

938
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,679
kicking the can down the road, because it might be

939
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,719
number one in twenty thirty one, but that's a long

940
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,599
time from now, and that's future Pacers problem, right. I

941
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:37,320
just think I think you can't. You can't have a

942
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,039
season like this and risk losing a pick. As high

943
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,800
as this pick might be. There's still a possibility though,

944
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,239
which is like very scary if you give if so,

945
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,119
if it's five, it's gone, like that's tough, that's a

946
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:51,519
tough look after this season.

947
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: But if it's six, you're okay with that.

948
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 3: No, I'm just like the highest possible pick that you

949
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:02,199
could lose in this construction. I I do agree that

950
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,800
my first reaction was like, Zubats is okay. Everyone was

951
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,960
saying the Pacers want to center, Wanta Center want to

952
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,559
Zubots doesn't fit my like what I think of when

953
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,280
I think of how the Pacers play. But I wonder if,

954
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,920
like that's just too narrow of a way to think

955
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
about them, because like, well, they who's to say they

956
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,239
have to play exactly like they did during that finals run? Right,

957
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,480
Like there aren't a lot of Miles Turner types and

958
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,800
he sucked in the finals and everybody's mad about that.

959
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,280
So like maybe that wasn't ever gonna work for them

960
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,960
to get where they wanted to go anyway. That's a

961
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,360
tough sell when they made it to Game seven, But

962
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,239
so that that was kind of my counter to it.

963
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,960
The other thing is I wonder if as they look

964
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,519
around at the league at large and the rest of

965
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:44,519
the East and they see Jalen Duran and Isaiah Stewart

966
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,000
and they see Mitchell Robinson and kat and they see like,

967
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,119
maybe we do just need a bruiser, Like maybe that's

968
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,320
just something because they don't have that and they're playing

969
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,320
right like maybe we run into the Nuggets, we need

970
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,920
somebody with size. I do think there's merit to that

971
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,599
of just like, Okay, the idea that you can only

972
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,960
have a spacing center, and we got to play this

973
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,920
incredible read and react offensive system that got us so far,

974
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,119
Like that's the only way this can work. I don't

975
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,639
know if I buy into that. So so I I'm

976
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,719
I have reservations about Zubots being the guy and giving

977
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,920
up to potentially unprotected first, but I'm open to the

978
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,159
idea that, like, there's a world where the Pacers are

979
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,039
actually even better with Zubots than they were with Turner.

980
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,519
I'm just I'm just gonna need to see it. So

981
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,800
so I'm not like I you know, you wrote on it.

982
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,440
You give him a D plus for this, I'm not

983
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,320
that far off of that. I'm in like the Sea

984
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,519
range somewhere. It's not a perfect fit. But but maybe

985
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,719
maybe it's not. Maybe it's not as like incongruous as

986
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,920
it seemed to me at least at first.

987
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I applaud like the thinking, but I love when teams

988
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,800
are aggressive because they think that they ye have it.

989
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: And you you could ant like the East isn't I.

990
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Don't think it's gonna get any easier when the Celtics

991
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,679
should be scarier next year. Somehow the Pistons aren't going anywhere.

992
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400
The wizards are coming. We just said that the wizards

993
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,639
are coming. Who thought not.

994
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: Making I'm sure how long they're gonna stay when they

995
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,400
get here, but they're coming.

996
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: So I applaud I applaud the Pacers doing this. I

997
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,400
just maybe it was the right time. I just don't

998
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,119
know if this was the right player to give up

999
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,199
this much for. We do have a question, this is

1000
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,920
a fascinating question from Regulator eighty six eighty. What could

1001
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,639
the Pacers get for Siakham if they decided to trade him.

1002
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,880
They don't like paying the tax Yeah, By the way,

1003
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,400
That's the other thing is, if you're a team that's

1004
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,280
doing something like this, the salary of Zubots is probably

1005
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,320
more important that Pacers than a lot of the other teams,

1006
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,679
because Indy's just not going to.

1007
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Pay tax bills through the teeth.

1008
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,079
Speaker 2: I will say, just you, I think you could look

1009
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,559
at this one of two ways and be like, well,

1010
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:48,760
look at what Anthony Davis and Trey Young and even

1011
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,199
Jared Jackson Junior got and you're not going to be

1012
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:52,880
too inspired by some And then you could say, well,

1013
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,400
look at what Zubats got and Pa Pascal Siakam's an

1014
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,599
all Star without Tyre's Haliburton. So my answer would be

1015
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,960
on it don't know, but if I had to guess,

1016
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,639
it's gonna be less than this what they gave out

1017
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:06,280
for Zubots.

1018
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, the age and the salarym if we're if.

1019
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: Maybe we're learning first round picks, but you're not getting two.

1020
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,719
Basically you're not getting two unprotected picks for pascals. I'd

1021
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,320
be pretty shocked if that's what happened.

1022
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked, I just wouldn't call it likely. Yeah, yeah,

1023
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,199
that's it. But if they go turn around and trade Siaka,

1024
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:27,760
I'm like, I don't I really don't know what to

1025
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,000
think of the Pacers duct the tax another way, like, I.

1026
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Don't get that one.

1027
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: I also think and so uh Pdpte says in the chat.

1028
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,559
As a Pacers fan, I know rebounding and the lack

1029
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:38,800
thereof has been.

1030
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,159
Speaker 1: Really big for a Carlisle. Yeah, Zuboats will help with that.

1031
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: They they're gonna be they should be a force on

1032
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,159
the offensive glass if they're allowed to, because even if

1033
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,360
they're not allowed to crash, if each Zubots will just

1034
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,199
do it on his own and that that should be fine.

1035
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,960
But I'm also looking at it. I think you could say, well,

1036
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,239
are achilles injuries what they used to be?

1037
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not.

1038
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: But you also kind of look at the rest of

1039
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,159
this roster and it's all right, TG McConnell's gonna be

1040
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:04,400
what next year thirty four? They're not like the wing department.

1041
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,639
Ben mcmathern is gone and was never really a wing.

1042
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,840
I know Jars Walker's played a little bit better, but

1043
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,119
where he's not a wing, you have aaron Ne Smith

1044
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:13,239
still is like your premiere.

1045
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,199
Speaker 1: What is what has Ben Sheppard become?

1046
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: You still have this year's pick potentially, which, oh man,

1047
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,320
this makes me feel like shit.

1048
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: Andrew oh video under Andrew.

1049
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna put him up there, and first of all,

1050
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,760
just shout out the work he's been doing for us lately.

1051
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,880
He used the what's the guy's name sentinel from The

1052
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,239
Thunderbolts when you said void on what it was like

1053
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,199
this he's doing. Just golf check.

1054
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,199
Speaker 2: Go check out our shorts and share them with other

1055
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,360
people too, because Andrew's doing great work and he deserves.

1056
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,639
Speaker 3: He also points out the correct way to put a

1057
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:48,280
bow on this discussion, because he cited an authority that

1058
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,159
it's unimpeachable.

1059
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: Everyone go tell Kaitlyn Cooper that I finally disagreed with her.

1060
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,320
And now now I'm immediately going to agree with Henry

1061
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,000
because he just.

1062
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: If that's the problem.

1063
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,159
Speaker 2: Though there's certain people and he's probably none with this

1064
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,000
team and Caitlyn, it's none more so unsettling than not

1065
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,840
having that. And if I had listened this year, I've

1066
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
tried very hard not to consume anyone else's content before

1067
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960
doing this pod, let alone my own grades. If I

1068
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,559
would have read or listened, I don't even know what

1069
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,880
she put out, I guarantee I would have came in

1070
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,400
here be like, yeah, fucking pacers, man, they know what they're.

1071
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: And here's why, because he would have gotten a really

1072
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,480
good explanation.

1073
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: Uh sure, where do you want to take?

1074
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,039
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm up. Let's see. Okay, we did that one.

1075
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,119
Well we gotta do Jaron Jackson.

1076
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,639
Speaker 1: I think that start with the Grizzlies because I'm I'm

1077
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:35,599
a little confused.

1078
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,079
Speaker 3: Okay, so the Grizzly is just here's the particulars the

1079
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,159
Jazz are getting Jared Jackson, Junior, John Conchar, Jock Landell,

1080
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,000
who got rerouted. I'm still in a haze right, Yeah,

1081
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,639
he did. Vince Williams Junior, and the Grizzlies got back

1082
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,880
Kyle Anderson, Walter Clayton Junior, Taylor Hendrix, George Niang, the

1083
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,079
Lakers twenty seven first, that's got top four protection at

1084
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,559
twenty seven first, which will be the most favorable of

1085
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,679
the cat or Wolves and Phoenix's twenty thirty one first.

1086
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,760
So for who you want to do the Grizzly side

1087
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,639
of this first, Well, because I think.

1088
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: They're they're interesting in the sense of not only they

1089
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,679
trade Jared Jackson Junior, but John Moran.

1090
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: Is still there. Yeah.

1091
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: I mean there just must have been nothing, right, just nothing,

1092
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,079
because they would have I think they would have just

1093
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,119
given him away for neutral salary, don't you think, Like.

1094
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,119
Speaker 2: Now, aren't you at the point unless I guess they

1095
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,159
can't get the same amount of pressure that the Mavericks

1096
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:34,039
were getting from Anthony Davis. But this felt more like

1097
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,079
a turn the page situation than Dallas is with Anthony

1098
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:37,760
Davis to me.

1099
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: But they didn't turn like it needed. You mean, they

1100
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,199
needed to turn the page from me.

1101
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about Jaw. I didn't Jared Jackson, I

1102
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,960
could have gone. I the messaging is so mixed because

1103
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,960
I don't know what it says that they renegotiated and

1104
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,320
extended him and then ended up and everyone's defense was, man,

1105
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,559
they got off that Jared Jackson junior contract. Yeah, but

1106
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,519
they just fucking gave him the John rant. You don't

1107
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,840
I under I saw. I did see some of the clips.

1108
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,199
I can't remember who it was. It was it Sam Bessini,

1109
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,599
or maybe it was Zach Low, maybe it was both

1110
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,159
of them framing it as this all went to crap

1111
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,599
because John Morant was no longer an All NBA player.

1112
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:19,000
And I don't disagree, but how long have they known this?

1113
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,079
This didn't just come about this season, And not only that,

1114
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,360
but Memphis trading Desmond Band in the offseason and tried

1115
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,440
to spin it as like a mini reorientation in part

1116
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,760
because they did renegotiate and extent Jaron Jackson Junior. And

1117
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,440
just one more thing, Your draft track record awesome, cool,

1118
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,000
Zach Eedie when he's healthy looks great. Jalon Well's hit,

1119
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:41,199
Cedric Coward hit, They have all these hits.

1120
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: You don't.

1121
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,679
Speaker 2: You seldom hit on trades, including this one. And you

1122
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,000
also just they talked a lot about I think Keith

1123
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,280
Parrish is spot on. I try to think more deeply

1124
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,880
about like the logistics of roster building and direction. But

1125
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,320
they sold the idea of we're gonna spend to really

1126
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,320
build around this core. They never did it. Their biggest

1127
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,639
swing was Mark is Smart and when it blew up

1128
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:03,400
in there, like they've made trades where they've had to

1129
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,880
cut cost and they've tried.

1130
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,639
Speaker 1: To cut corners. This is just I'm sorry, this is

1131
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,719
shameful shit by them. This is I wouldn't this deal

1132
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,199
if you wanted, like stop doing half bait crap, like

1133
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,639
you didn't even tear down fully. John Marenn is still there.

1134
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:23,079
Speaker 3: So again though, I just think they they probably weren't

1135
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,360
a position where teams were asking for stuff with jaw

1136
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,320
and it's just like we'll just pay him and he'll

1137
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,719
sit and whatever. Right, Like, I don't know, maybe maybe

1138
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,280
we don't need to get too far because we just

1139
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,800
can't know what those offers were, or maybe we will someday.

1140
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,280
We don't know. Now, the Jared Jackson side of it,

1141
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:44,000
I'm trying to I think we both probably were okay

1142
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,039
with that extension, right. I wish this will shock you, Dan.

1143
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:49,400
I can't remember exactly what I thought when we discussed

1144
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,000
that extension, I think I don't go ahead.

1145
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,639
Speaker 2: It was we both viewed it as an inflection point of, oh,

1146
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,559
this is something they're definitely going to negotiate, and they

1147
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:01,119
didn't like. He just got what he got basically, and

1148
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,400
so it seems fine. But in the close like this,

1149
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,639
the current cap climate and more importantly the Grizzlies current

1150
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,199
situation snuck up on nobody, including the Grizzlies themselves.

1151
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: And that's because Grant.

1152
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,639
Speaker 2: Look at this return Walter Clayton, an older rookie who

1153
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:19,079
the theory of Walter Clayton has yet to really bear out.

1154
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,079
In Utah, Taylor Hendrix is supposed to be an undercooked

1155
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,880
Jaron Jackson junior, who I actually think my record is

1156
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,159
saying I think he will be better than Jaron Jackson junior.

1157
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: So I'm clearly wrong all the time.

1158
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: But he hasn't been the same since that leg injury

1159
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,000
last year. And then you got look at the picks

1160
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,800
they got. They have one pick with upside. It's the

1161
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,320
Phoenix twenty thirty one, and it's cool to we both

1162
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,199
or I'll spe for me. I over romanticize those distant

1163
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,519
picks all the time. Phoenix doing what Phoenix is doing

1164
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,360
right now is almost a cautionary tale against Yeah, like

1165
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,800
they have half a decade to get even better.

1166
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,119
Speaker 1: So this was just if to me.

1167
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: This felt like an almost turned the page trade for them,

1168
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,320
but then you didn't fully commit to turning the page.

1169
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,360
And that's just I and the messaging. Like at the

1170
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,599
time when Desmond Bay and Jaron Jackson Junior and John

1171
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,000
Morant were there even kind of close to what they

1172
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,480
thought was gonna be the peak or they hadn't peaked yet,

1173
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,920
you never you never made good on that promise. You

1174
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,480
never got Your biggest swing was Marcus Smart. And even

1175
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,800
at the time, everyone knew that wasn't That wasn't it.

1176
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,800
Even if you had higher hopes than disastrous for Marcus Smart,

1177
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,400
everyone kind of knew that wasn't it. And so this

1178
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:33,480
organization is again rational thinkers are in charge. I'm sure

1179
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,039
Zach clement Is the areas they're drafting has been very, very good,

1180
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,320
but the way that they've gone about running their team

1181
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,280
independent of that seems exceedingly poor.

1182
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: It feels, doesn't it feel like this move was based

1183
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,960
on what they got back, This move was motivated out

1184
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:55,760
of like fear that my God, Like, what what kind

1185
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,480
of dire straits are we going to be in when

1186
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,360
he's making fifty million dollars a year, Like we're gonna

1187
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,199
have to salary dump him for nothing like Anthony Davis

1188
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,519
or like right, like or it'll be worse than that,

1189
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,920
or it'll be like a cat situation where it's like

1190
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,400
this guy can't be your best player, but he's gonna

1191
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,599
be making fifty plus and and it's just like he's

1192
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:18,760
untradable and and it is crazy that that was a

1193
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,760
risk or that was something Memphis seemed to be afraid

1194
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,079
of so real, so quickly after deciding, yes, let's pay

1195
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:31,079
him this money, and and so soon after I think

1196
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,039
I would have said, like, yeah, that's a lot. But

1197
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,760
you know, you don't really have to make any concessions

1198
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,320
when you build around Jaron Jackson Junior. You get some spacing,

1199
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,840
like he's a good defender, you get, you get, you

1200
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,239
get all this stuff. So it's like maybe maybe that's

1201
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,239
okay because he doesn't come with the same like it's

1202
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,800
a big salary number, but it's not as like restrictive

1203
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,119
because you just throw anything else out there next to

1204
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,199
him and it kind of works. So like there's you know,

1205
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,280
we always love to fetishize like scaley and portability, like

1206
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,039
he has all that, so it's it's okay, yeah, fifties

1207
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,840
a lot for you know, per year, but like it's justifiable.

1208
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,880
And then it seems like based on this trade, they

1209
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,960
they decided like oh no, no, no, no, we can't oops,

1210
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,639
like yeah, this isn't this is gonna get so bad

1211
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,599
if we don't trade him right now. Uh, which is

1212
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:23,840
just like it's whiplash. I don't I don't understand it.

1213
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,519
Is this a package? Like I guess I don't know

1214
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,159
if it's a fair question, but like could they have

1215
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,159
gotten more somewhere else or had they waited? I I

1216
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,199
just I don't know. Do you think probably know? Because

1217
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:37,880
nobody wants it's it's.

1218
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: Here's would you have preferred, like because you opened up

1219
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,360
the bidding all of a sudden two if the Knicks

1220
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,960
come calling with two first round picks and other stuff.

1221
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,679
Do the Spurs the teams that are you're waiting on

1222
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,480
with the Yanna sweepstakes? Do you think Atlanta or the

1223
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,159
Spurs less so the Raw I mean, like those are

1224
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,719
all teams that could give you more, but even like

1225
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,639
wouldn't the Lakers, maybe they'll have three first round that

1226
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,039
once you prefer the three first round or now Lucas there.

1227
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: So here's you know what this is. This is unfortunate,

1228
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,199
But I'm I'm just coming around to like your stance

1229
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:15,079
on this of like, don't pay him this if you

1230
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,239
think there's a remote possibility you're going to be in

1231
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:19,760
this position, Like they could have negotiated, right, they didn't

1232
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,559
have to do this, that the renegotiating extent they they

1233
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,119
could have given him less, like they could have made

1234
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,039
I don't know it. You know, I'm hesitant to like

1235
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:33,519
knock the trade because it maybe didn't need to happen

1236
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,800
had they acted differently in like a previous transaction cycle

1237
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,000
with respect like what they paid him and all that stuff.

1238
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:41,800
But it's hard to split that up when it was

1239
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,719
so recent. So I'm getting lower on this trade. The

1240
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,760
more we talk about it from the grizzly side, it's

1241
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:48,039
harder to justify.

1242
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:50,119
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the trades where you do

1243
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:53,320
need to factor in like kind of the entire like

1244
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:55,880
package of what happened because it was so it's not

1245
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:58,880
we're not grading this because of the like we're not

1246
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:01,559
we didn't We tried to demarras Mavericks too hard because

1247
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,000
they moved Luka Doncrich for Anthony Davis. This is just

1248
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:07,039
you assigned this value to this guy and then let

1249
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,760
him have one underwent surgery after you did it, and

1250
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,880
now all of a sudden, it's this and it was

1251
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:14,920
the messaging is mixed. And I also just stop selling

1252
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,719
draft picks when it's okay, like you draft, Well, where's that.

1253
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 1: Gotten you here?

1254
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,639
Speaker 2: So I do want to talk more about because this

1255
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:25,800
is another I saw people were skeptical of the Utah

1256
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,599
Jazz doing this, and I think this was the trade

1257
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,000
where I started to not realize because I think we

1258
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:34,239
both knew this, but it just became clear how much

1259
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,440
we romanticized the teardown over the swings of going forward,

1260
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,440
Because what do we say about the Jazz when they

1261
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:42,360
ripped off the Donovan Mitchell and rudiygo bear.

1262
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 3: Band aid, love it great, love it excellent.

1263
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: You've spent the past four years getting mad, not you specifically,

1264
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,800
but mad that they're not losing enough. Now they or

1265
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,840
you don't want to see them tank this hard. They

1266
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,440
go out and they make a swing without him to

1267
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,679
any of their own draft picks. Okay, I'm open to

1268
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,239
the ide yeah, that Jaron Jackson Junior is overpaid.

1269
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:04,679
Speaker 1: The Jazz still have all their first round picks.

1270
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: Moving forward, they can find a way to assemble cost

1271
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,159
controlled talent around him.

1272
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: But what I keep coming back to the fact here is.

1273
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,679
Speaker 2: They're not like Latry Market and Jaron Jish. You have

1274
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,800
enough time left on their deals and they're still young

1275
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,239
enough to where if this doesn't work out, you're not

1276
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,440
trading them from the same position of weakness unless there's

1277
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,199
a catastrophic injury, which is always the caveat. You're not

1278
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,599
trading them from the same position of weakness as a

1279
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,599
Trey Young or Anthony Davis for two reasons. One, neither

1280
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:34,760
of them. Both of them are way more scalable than

1281
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,079
Trey youngess Two, neither has the injury history or is

1282
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:39,599
as old. Is it they won't be as old as

1283
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,039
Anthony Davis when their current deals run out. And this

1284
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,519
is a team where it's it's it's also time like

1285
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,480
you can't. They weren't gonna do anything other than complete

1286
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,360
trades with their cap space, and you have we talked

1287
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,800
about this. I mean, first of all, for anyone who

1288
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,079
likes this trade, and as a Jazz fan, you're welcome

1289
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:01,079
because we manifested it when we or trade deadline primer.

1290
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,400
But two the like they're trying something that's objectively cool

1291
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:10,000
because Ace Bailey, Larry market In, Walker Kessler, I'm assuming

1292
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,199
he comes back to Jaron Jackson Junior. You're just monstrous

1293
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,800
at those four positions. And I think what's another good

1294
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,480
point too, is the Jazz have done everything most things

1295
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,199
i'll say within their power to ensure that they can

1296
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,320
get these top picks, and either the lottery gods haven't

1297
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,800
rewarded them or they've been better than expected. And I

1298
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,559
think this year, while the record doesn't necessarily reflect it,

1299
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:33,440
Keyante George is just turning into Oh, maybe that dude's

1300
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,360
gonna be an All Star?

1301
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:36,639
Speaker 1: Doesn't that kind of know? Because what do you suppose

1302
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:37,960
that nudges you in this?

1303
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: What do you I said they should have traded Kiante

1304
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,599
George months ago, and I was at the point, do

1305
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,639
I view anyone on this team as untouchable leading into

1306
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:46,159
this deadline?

1307
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey probably for sure? But what were you support?

1308
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:50,800
You trade him?

1309
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:53,119
Speaker 2: Like the whole point of going through this process is

1310
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:56,199
arguably to fine someone like him, and I think their

1311
01:01:56,239 --> 01:02:00,440
biggest issue right now is it's the same as the

1312
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,599
Wizards after all this. Yeah, I don't think you can

1313
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:06,320
point to a single guy and say, we know he's

1314
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,840
our tent pole of the future, the best player on

1315
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,039
a contender. But you know what can one In the

1316
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,559
Jazz's case, like the Wizards, they have this year's pick.

1317
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,079
But I think Ace Bailey, I know, is just a rookie.

1318
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,599
I think I'm higher on him than any single young

1319
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:20,639
player in Washington.

1320
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: I love Keishan, George.

1321
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: And Sar, but I think with Ace Bailey, what he's

1322
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,880
shown when he came in, my thought was just he

1323
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,360
was gonna do like all these ball dominant things and

1324
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,880
not be the connector complimentary type.

1325
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: And it's it's flipped. He's done like defense, rebounding, cutting,

1326
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:37,159
all that stuff.

1327
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: So I look at this and say, well, if you

1328
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:44,079
assemble enough combinations of just like twos and threes in

1329
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,280
terms of the pecking water, you're just gonna be really

1330
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,280
fucking good. Anyway, there's real value after four years of losing,

1331
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,679
going out there and contending for fifty wins and look,

1332
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,280
maybe it blows up in their space, but this is

1333
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,239
a swing I respect and I thought the fact they

1334
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,800
didn't have to give up their highest upside pick that

1335
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,840
they gave up is that Phoenix they gave up to me,

1336
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,199
they gave up one high upside pick. Maybe your mileage

1337
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,840
varies on one of those Cleveland slash Minnesota picks, but

1338
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:11,880
that's where Matt.

1339
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,719
Speaker 1: I've loved this trade for them. Yep.

1340
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:17,079
Speaker 3: I like it a lot. I think Andrew points out,

1341
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:18,760
you know, they are asked they need to keep this

1342
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,119
year's pick, right, uh yeah, and and I think they can.

1343
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,400
And I think you can kind of have it both ways.

1344
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,280
And that that frames this for me, as Jaron Jackson

1345
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,760
is just like you said it much earlier. Okay, Utah

1346
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,400
has cap space great like well, if ever, if anything's valuable,

1347
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,719
it's Utah having cap space, right like, He's just he

1348
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,639
just fills in that spot, and so you can get

1349
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,000
him be ready for next year. You can still tank.

1350
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,320
And here's the thing. Oh, we're not gonna the jazz

1351
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,920
are like, we're not gonna pull any Shenanigans this year.

1352
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,800
Don't If they do, now, nobody's mad because you're already

1353
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,599
you know what next year looks like. And you and

1354
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:57,679
I think fans probably want that pick because they know

1355
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,119
there's light at the end of the tunne. Because you've

1356
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,960
got Jaron Jackson, you're gonna walk Kessler back. Keante George

1357
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,199
is super fun. You can be excited about that for

1358
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,199
next year. So now you can tank and no one's

1359
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:09,400
gonna care. So you're gonna get it both ways. The

1360
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,639
fit is weird, I think, but maybe not a lot

1361
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,440
rests on. I said this when we when we spoke

1362
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,079
this deal into existence, Like you don't have good defenders

1363
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:21,360
at every position, being big is a pretty good like

1364
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:24,519
second option. And if Marketing is your three and Jackson's

1365
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:26,519
you're four, and Kessel's your five, and Bailey, maybe he's

1366
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:29,960
gonna play some two like that might get the job done.

1367
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,719
And offensively, we as we all reiterate Lori Marketen basically

1368
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,039
is a giant guard and so you can use him

1369
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:40,719
just like you'd use a great off the ball movement

1370
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,320
shooter who can drive it, and like he's that's fine. Offensively,

1371
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,480
I have no no notes. This is gonna be. This

1372
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:48,840
is gonna work on offense. Will Hardy's gonna finally get

1373
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,039
to like coach without a hand tie behind his back.

1374
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,599
They're gonna score a ton defensively, I think they should

1375
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,639
be good enough. I don't want to guess, but they

1376
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,320
should be average at worst, I would I would assume

1377
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,440
on defense, I think.

1378
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: That there's a bet, not a.

1379
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,559
Speaker 2: Do you think that we overvalue the importance of point

1380
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,960
of attack defense just because of how good those guys

1381
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,320
who are the advantage creators are even when they're going

1382
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,199
up those So I feel like we see more and

1383
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:14,679
more teams where it's look, the knicks are flawed. But

1384
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:17,960
with Jaylen Brunson, the Pacers, with Tyre's Halliburton last year,

1385
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,679
and I know that they have Andrew Nemhartz, I guess it.

1386
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,840
Maybe maybe Utah still needs its Andrew nemhard type. But

1387
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,159
I can't think you's gotten a little bit better defensively.

1388
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:29,280
But I think there's also just it's probably more what's

1389
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,639
more important to have Matt, let's say, Max Christy guarding

1390
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:34,480
at the point of attack or to have that jumbo

1391
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:36,679
sized front, Like what do you think provides more defensive

1392
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:37,599
value for you to We.

1393
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:40,559
Speaker 3: Always say that the interior positions matter more on defense.

1394
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:43,599
You like you the Rudy Gobert can be a defense

1395
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,039
by himself. A men Thompson can't be if you want

1396
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,280
to just cite like the you know, the gint essential

1397
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,719
rim protector versus the like perimeter pest that can guard

1398
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,440
a bunch of positions. So yeah, like again, I so

1399
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,599
the fit makes I'm not I don't hate the fit.

1400
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:02,119
It's just it's like, all right, market In's the three.

1401
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:03,719
But then but then you can you don't have to

1402
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,840
play all these guys forty eight minutes in conjunction. Right

1403
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,679
when Kessler's off the floor. You can get away with

1404
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,960
Jackson and spot minutes at the five against certain guys

1405
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,960
you're not going to rebound, but whatever. Yeah, I think

1406
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,199
this is a win for the Jazz. I love them

1407
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,320
going for it. I love them saying like enough is enough. Basically,

1408
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,960
we like we're tired of like having to try to

1409
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,079
lose on purpose because we're actually a little too good,

1410
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:25,440
Like that's no way to live. So if for no

1411
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:27,800
other reason, I like this because it puts an end

1412
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,039
to that era of Jazz basketball, which is like nobody

1413
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,440
wants that, nobody wants to kind of look at a

1414
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,000
team and say, seems actually pretty good. It sucks that

1415
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,199
they have to try to lose, you know, I for

1416
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,840
several years in a row no less like, now that

1417
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,679
we're past that, I think I think maybe that's the

1418
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,719
biggest selling point of this trade, is like the Jazz

1419
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,280
can play for real now, like no more messing around.

1420
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,679
Speaker 2: And and I just to wrap it up with my

1421
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:53,800
initial point was, I just think they have so many

1422
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,320
outs if it doesn't work out, and if you're worried

1423
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,800
about the expenses, which we didn't really talk about, you

1424
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,360
don't get prohibitively expensive. And by the way, this is

1425
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,760
assuming that Walker Ketch was coming off a season ending injury, Like,

1426
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,119
I don't know how much he's gonna get. It might

1427
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:08,079
be less than we think. Kiante George if he signs

1428
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:09,199
an extension, might be less.

1429
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: Than we think.

1430
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: Even if those dudes get a boatload, you have another

1431
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,760
You have next year to figure it out before you're

1432
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,079
prohibitively expensive. Ye, did you have any notes about the

1433
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:19,960
rest of their business? I thought they did a good

1434
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,760
job getting more seconds. Those are good finishing touches. But

1435
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,320
I do think their trade deadline was an abject failure

1436
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,039
because if you're gonna acquire Chris Bouchet, you better damn

1437
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:30,320
well keep him on your roster.

1438
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: Just f minus, what do they do it negates it.

1439
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, So honestly, I think they should have to. I

1440
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:38,800
think the NBA should void the Jaron Jackson Junior, not

1441
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,039
not the trade his contract. So the assets are going

1442
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,480
to Memphis, but the but Jaron Jackson Junior is avoided.

1443
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: He's a free agent just to send.

1444
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,199
Speaker 3: That's not how we treat Chris Bouchet. Guys, he's he's

1445
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,760
a special treasure and he deserves better treatment. Is it

1446
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:54,599
your turn to pick?

1447
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: It's my turn.

1448
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: I think we're we don't have any major, major ones

1449
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,440
that we missed, right, So what I'm gonna go?

1450
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: Here? Are you ready? You know where I'm going?

1451
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: I hope.

1452
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about the Golden State Warriors Grant.

1453
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:14,199
So they trade Jonathan Kaminga and Buddy Healed for christophs

1454
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:18,319
Porzingis they finally got their floor spacing rim protector Grant?

1455
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,119
Speaker 1: Will he play? Who's to say? Well? I don't.

1456
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,359
Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything about this trade. I

1457
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:25,760
just I want to hear you cook.

1458
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:27,039
Speaker 1: What did you think?

1459
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: Man?

1460
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what I so well that was his climactic.

1461
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,279
Speaker 3: This will have my hands on my head. So I'm

1462
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:40,239
really struggling. Uh. I love the Porzingis fit. I don't

1463
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:45,760
love the complete uncertainty about how much he will play ever,

1464
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,039
or the fact that he's an expiring contract. And there's

1465
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,960
a part of me that wonders whether this was just like,

1466
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,479
I don't know, we gotta pay buddy Heel three million

1467
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,800
dollars next year. This way we don't have to pay

1468
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,359
anybody anything if we don't resign Porzingis. I assume, uh,

1469
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,960
the intention is to sign him when he hits free agency.

1470
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,560
I don't know what because you I'm just I'm messing around.

1471
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,840
You can't make this trade unless like you're gonna keep him.

1472
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,439
If they do keep him and he is healthy, I've

1473
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,520
already talked myself into like this is gonna be spectacular. Question,

1474
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,840
go ahead, Why do you have.

1475
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 2: To make this trade with the intent of keeping him

1476
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,319
because you were dead set on keeping Jonathan Kaminga with that.

1477
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 3: No, because because if you if it was just about

1478
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,399
saving money, you just declined the team option on Jonathan

1479
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,039
Kaminga and and paid. But he healed the three million

1480
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:37,800
dollars he's guaranteed of his nine million dollars salary next year.

1481
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,319
Speaker 1: That is a great point, Cary, that apologies.

1482
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:45,039
Speaker 3: That's why I mean, no, it's that. It's so I've

1483
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:47,920
talked myself into Porzingis being a perfect fit. He's exactly

1484
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,239
the player that they've wanted forever. Uh and if he's healthy,

1485
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:56,279
I'm interested. He's maybe the last guy in the league

1486
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:59,640
that like, okay, that Draymond Green might actually still be

1487
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,159
a vibe able offensive player if you have him out there.

1488
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,720
That's so that zoomed out. It's wildly disappointing that this

1489
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,399
is what Jonathan Kaminga ultimately got them, the guy that

1490
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,039
they wouldn't trade for Lari Markinen or god knows who

1491
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,960
else that was available along the way. I wrote about

1492
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,680
this today. It's just like you know, you can you

1493
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,359
can lay blame at the feet of the executives, Bob Myers,

1494
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,439
I guess that, or Joe lacub who maybe put his

1495
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,119
thumb on the scale that picked Kaminga, or Franz Wagner

1496
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,079
that picked him in Moody over like Shangoon and Trey

1497
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,920
Murphy and Jalen Johnson later in that same draft class.

1498
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: I think, based off of imy Erdoko's postgame press conference today,

1499
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,119
I think he'd be willing to give you Opera and

1500
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:44,399
Shangoon if you're interested.

1501
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 3: I didn't see that. Did Shangun do a bad thing?

1502
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: They have not been impressed with Alprin Shangun defensively since

1503
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,199
see Adam's injury.

1504
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: The question, one of the questions I clocked was what.

1505
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,279
Speaker 2: Did you make of them going at Alprin Shangun like

1506
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:59,319
targeting him the pick and roll. He's like, it just

1507
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,079
happens all the time, but this isn't new.

1508
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: What's the question? It's just like, oh, man, like tough love.

1509
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:09,279
Speaker 3: Uh, you can you can blame Steve Kerfer not playing Kuminga.

1510
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:12,239
You can blame the team and the lake ups for

1511
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,439
I don't know, not just pulling the trigger earlier. This

1512
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,279
is where they were. And if if it's this desperate

1513
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:23,680
and it's probably Porzingis or nothing, give me Porzingis. I

1514
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,800
think that's fine. I just it doesn't change the bottom

1515
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,319
line as far as this year, probably just being like okay,

1516
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:35,239
there's not really a point, like I'll just full disclosure,

1517
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:38,279
like I'm not going to tune into many Warriors games

1518
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:39,840
the rest of the year because I sort of get

1519
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,840
it and I got to spend my my my hours

1520
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,479
on other stuff, other teams that are more interesting, right,

1521
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:49,279
I don't know you're gonna say, and that's a totally

1522
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,199
hornets for one. No, yeah, yesh, yeah, I don't. I

1523
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,239
don't know what else to say. Really like, I I

1524
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:59,479
like the player, I like the potential fit everybody. I

1525
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,920
am with everyone else. As far as the questions of

1526
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,800
like is Porzingis ever gonna play consistently again, Like, I

1527
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,920
don't know that that's an open question this trade.

1528
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 2: Andrew says, when they got Porzingis, I thought there were

1529
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,880
one thousand percent going to get Yanis. I looked at

1530
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,840
it the other way because I think the.

1531
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: Porson said it was the other way. They said it

1532
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:21,119
right away, and therefore we're out.

1533
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: Because all the reporting was they were gonna use Draymond

1534
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,039
Green and Johnathink gaminga is the primary matching salary and

1535
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,560
Yannis deal, and that just made sense because Jimmy Butler's

1536
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,439
injured and not gonna so the Bucks have no use

1537
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,520
for him to begin with, and you're not gonna get

1538
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,319
other value for him, so unless the Bucks just wanted

1539
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:40,359
first round picks that badly right now.

1540
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: So that's why I looked.

1541
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: At it as no, like this is because Jimmy Butler's

1542
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:44,600
not gonna get it done.

1543
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:45,199
Speaker 1: This puts an into it.

1544
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: But porzingis in theory if you're trading for Giannis and

1545
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,920
you're keeping Draymond Green to like, yeah, you want him.

1546
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:52,840
If Jimmy Butler was healthy, this would have been the

1547
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,960
perfect Yet I like it. I think it makes them

1548
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,600
more interesting and I'm just wondering having him in your

1549
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:58,399
back pocket.

1550
01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: It opens up some opera.

1551
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:02,319
Speaker 2: If you make a big swing this summer, the ability

1552
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:04,840
to resign him is a pretty big deal.

1553
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: Now. The problem is is.

1554
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: That if you're making a big swing, it's still well,

1555
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,319
who can we get that's Draymond plus Moody plus whatever

1556
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:17,000
others maybe Al Horford on the books or with Jimmy

1557
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,319
Butler as an expiring contract. So I don't know what

1558
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:21,720
the appetite is if we knew Jimmy Butler was gonna

1559
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,279
play before Christmas, Like it's but I like the trade

1560
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,640
up for the Warriors. But I'm with you that I

1561
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,039
don't think it materially changes anything this season. But I

1562
01:13:31,039 --> 01:13:32,840
think he's a good play because this wouldn't have been.

1563
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,319
Speaker 1: Available to you had they waited, because he would have

1564
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:37,640
he was a free agent. So like doing it now.

1565
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,199
I think in getting his bird rights.

1566
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: If he does play, he's not getting thirty million dollars

1567
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:45,479
as his next contract, So I think doing this sets

1568
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,920
you up. It doesn't guarantee anything, but there's optionality there.

1569
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:51,239
Speaker 3: Right, because there's a world where like their big off

1570
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:54,880
season free agent target is Porzingis, and this way, it's

1571
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,039
like it can be somebody else because you can You've

1572
01:13:57,039 --> 01:13:58,800
got his bird rights so you can keep him and

1573
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,479
then you go with someone else. Yeah, what about is

1574
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,000
there any I mean, oh, can we can we get

1575
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,079
to talk about TJD and get to the Hawks? Trace

1576
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:08,960
Jackson Davis got traded for a second, if we're just

1577
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,720
closing the book on the Warriors, Well, it was.

1578
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: So like that's because he wasn't really playing anyway. But

1579
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,079
I was kind of like, oh, it's Porzingi's the guy

1580
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,199
you trade him, and it's like we're okay trading other

1581
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:18,720
bigs now?

1582
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:19,359
Speaker 1: Is that really?

1583
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 3: Like?

1584
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,359
Speaker 1: There was that?

1585
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,159
Speaker 3: I kind of think Pat Spencer was up against the

1586
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:25,279
fifth of the game limit and they needed to convert

1587
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:27,560
him maybe, and so they needed a roster spot although

1588
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,319
they well they got they thank you for one. So yeah,

1589
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:30,680
I don't know.

1590
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, now they.

1591
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,079
Speaker 2: Could be players on the buyout market too, so we'll

1592
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:36,479
have to see what happens with that. But the Hawks

1593
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,319
on this end, so they did trade Luke Cannard, so

1594
01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:43,520
they don't have like fac similes of Canard, Corey Kisspert

1595
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,119
and Buddy Healed on this roster.

1596
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:49,279
Speaker 1: Now the fuck are they doing? What this team is?

1597
01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:51,000
They just feel like.

1598
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 2: They're spinning there. I hate Jonathan coming got on this roster.

1599
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,079
You have Dyson Daniels, you have Zachary Resiche, you have

1600
01:14:58,159 --> 01:14:58,920
Jalen Johnson.

1601
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: What is Jonathan known for?

1602
01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: Not spacing the floor, not doing enough rebounding, too much

1603
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,520
on ball work that isn't efficient enough. Those are exactly

1604
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,319
like all the boxes that the Hawks need to check

1605
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:11,680
and he checks none of them.

1606
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean, put a broader definition on it. He what

1607
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,600
does he not want to do? Second option shit? And

1608
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,199
like guess what, buddy, this team has Jalen Johnson and

1609
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:23,399
a Keil Alexander Walker and both of those guys are

1610
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,680
way ahead of you in the pecking order. And they

1611
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,119
have Zachary Rechiche, another former number one pick that I

1612
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:32,039
don't know how good he is anymore, but like he

1613
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:34,680
matters more to the Hawks than you do, so it

1614
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,319
it I don't see an avenue for him to do

1615
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:41,239
what he wants to do, which for him, it's like,

1616
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:42,800
I'm sure he's glad to get out of Golden State

1617
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,199
because anywhere is better than there as far as he's concerned,

1618
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:48,279
but like this is not necessarily a better situation. There's

1619
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,079
like there's a lot of the same roadblocks here that

1620
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,720
he had in Golden State. And so from Atlanta's perspective,

1621
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,079
is this just like screw it, We're not porzingis is

1622
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
a zero for us. We're not gonna re sign him.

1623
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:03,880
We might as well take a flyer and see if

1624
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,560
like Kaminga just turns into the player that that got

1625
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,880
drafted where he got drafted and tantalized occasionally, like what's

1626
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,560
the risk is is? I mean, that's that's not a

1627
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,600
crazy plan, but it's just it's hard to see it

1628
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,359
coming to fruition with the guys they have playing ahead

1629
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:23,479
of him. I I just I don't and then say say,

1630
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,560
they're not in a position to do this, but like

1631
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,159
all right, we're gonna start shutting guys down or we're

1632
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:31,600
a like there's injuries and Kaminga like goes off, he

1633
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,199
like does the Anthony Simons down the stretch in Portland

1634
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,520
a couple of years ago, or like throw out the

1635
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,319
jail and Green Special, the Jalen Green Special. They're like,

1636
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:42,720
oh my god, it happened, except it happened in March

1637
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,399
and nobody was watching and nobody on the other side

1638
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,760
carried right. So so like what if you're the Hawks,

1639
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:51,279
what then? Because what do you what did you really?

1640
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:52,119
What have you learned?

1641
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:53,159
Speaker 1: You haven't learned anything.

1642
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 2: So I give I liked them getting chocoland to help

1643
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,680
anybody cares. But the only the only argument that I

1644
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,960
could come up with was Porzingis was gonna be a

1645
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,800
free agent. And if you're the Hawks and you want

1646
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,199
to make trades this summer, having the ability to pick

1647
01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:12,800
up the Kaminga team option to guarantee Buddy Heals deal,

1648
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:18,439
that's the only like, like, that's the only lodge. I

1649
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,960
don't I don't think like if you're bringing back Jonathan

1650
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,199
Kaminga next, like if if he's not traded over the

1651
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:27,840
off like that's the it's not just that's the only.

1652
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,520
Speaker 1: Justifiable Oh why they do that? Is that what's happening?

1653
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: They just have a thought Kaminga was in negotiations with

1654
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:40,279
the Bucks, presumably right at right Atlanta. Atlanta says, Hey, Bucks,

1655
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:41,439
guess what we got it.

1656
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,199
Speaker 1: We got your guy.

1657
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:46,399
Speaker 3: You know you like him. He's more tradeable to Milwaukee

1658
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,359
than Porzingis's salary, which you can't trade because it'll be.

1659
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: They'll be the team watching his March explosion.

1660
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, well this is it. You've figured it out.

1661
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,800
They're gonna let Kaminga go bonkers down the stretch and

1662
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,600
then offer him in a package to Milwaukee for you. Honest.

1663
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,319
That's what this has been about. A plus Hawks did it.

1664
01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:05,119
They figured it out.

1665
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 2: But other than them wanting to like have salary to

1666
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,359
trade this offseason, I don't.

1667
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna go well.

1668
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 2: And if it goes well, I'm gonna be very curious

1669
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,000
to see how it goes well very quickly, because they

1670
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,560
did ship out, uh Lukenard.

1671
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: What do you think about that deal?

1672
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 2: For the Lakers gave Vinton In a second round pick

1673
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,439
for Lukenard, who notoriously will probably help improve their defense.

1674
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 3: I think yeah. I mean, he's one of the best

1675
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,439
shooters to ever walk planet Earth, and the Clippers or

1676
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,119
the Lakers, you know, could use some knockdown shooters. But

1677
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:44,119
like everywhere, Lukenard Goes. I always say that, and then

1678
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:45,760
he just doesn't play as much as I think he's

1679
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,000
gonna play. And it's because he can't guard anybody. And

1680
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:51,760
the Lakers already can't guard anybody, so that's a tough one.

1681
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: But who on the team can. So it's like you

1682
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,720
know what I mean, like, well he'll play, Yeah, so.

1683
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 3: He'll play because they don't have a better defense alternative.

1684
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,640
They just have similarly bad ones. This solid logic, I

1685
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,600
don't know. I like him better than gave Vincent in

1686
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,560
a vacuum. So because he has a signature, he has

1687
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,079
a legit, Like, yes, he has a superpower. I just

1688
01:19:12,079 --> 01:19:14,640
don't know how much it's gonna be utilized, right because

1689
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,640
he he just weakens an already weak point for for

1690
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,319
the Lakers.

1691
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: I will say I wish they would have gotten a

1692
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:25,079
big I would have loved could they have done something

1693
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:27,520
like Portland would have done this deal for Robert Williams

1694
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:28,159
or something like.

1695
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: He didn't get traded by the way Portland did.

1696
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: The one move they made, well they got Vic Krachi.

1697
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,399
Speaker 2: We should have led that off with the I really

1698
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,479
liked that trade for them by the night. But so

1699
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:41,880
I will say I think the Lakers were smart not

1700
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:45,079
to do anything that was. Whether it was I don't

1701
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:46,920
want to care if they added money, but no, like

1702
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,720
don't trade a first round pick, wait for the three

1703
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,760
first round picks to open up this summer. So I

1704
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,960
think they were smart. And they also for their offense

1705
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,439
being really good. They're not really a high volume or

1706
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,600
particularly accurate three point shooting team, and so Luke nar

1707
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,279
brings them. It's a multiply fine. Yeah, it is now

1708
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:05,239
your turn, sir, oh man, it was for us. Can

1709
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:06,279
we just talk about like.

1710
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: We're pacing this really we are, just we are cutting

1711
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:09,039
through it.

1712
01:20:09,319 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 3: I mean, the big ones are done. I like, I'm

1713
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,600
trying to think what I would even nominate next? What's

1714
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,239
the most about that?

1715
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to talk about the Bulls at some point?

1716
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,960
Do we want to start with Vouch to the South Celtics.

1717
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:25,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the biggest I guess, yeah, that's the biggest name,

1718
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,960
depending how you feel about Kobe White. So Boston gets

1719
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,039
Vouch and a Nuggets twenty seven second uh from the

1720
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:35,600
Bulls for Anthony Simons twenty six second, the most favorable

1721
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,880
of Minnesota, New Orleans, New York's and Portland's I don't

1722
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,640
know you felt about this. I really like this For

1723
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,239
Boston they just needed another big and he makes sense

1724
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:46,159
in the way that they kind of like the play offense.

1725
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,359
And I am by no means of Vouch, So you know,

1726
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,000
I feel like I knock him ten times for every

1727
01:20:52,039 --> 01:20:55,319
one time I talk him up. But I think the

1728
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:57,800
price was right. I think Simons is a good player,

1729
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:01,359
but I feel like Boston just needed it another center

1730
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,640
because like Kita has been fantastic.

1731
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:07,520
Speaker 1: Like he should still be starting out.

1732
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 3: He should still be starting. Yeah, I just it's like

1733
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:12,960
if it so now instead of Garza or whoever are

1734
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,119
you playing small with, like Jordan Walsh at the five

1735
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,279
or what was it, Amari Bailey? They just converted I

1736
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:19,560
think is that who that was?

1737
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: They tried Josh might not, I know, he wasn't playing

1738
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,239
basically after Christ they tried him at the five at

1739
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:23,600
one point.

1740
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:27,319
Speaker 3: Vouch makes sense can do. The defense is not there

1741
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:29,319
at all, but it's like offensively, you can kind of

1742
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:32,000
use him like they used Horford or even not pousing

1743
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:34,640
GUIs because he doesn't have the like mismatch busting thing.

1744
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,560
But like the price to me made sense. It's a

1745
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,760
position to need, they can afford to lose Simons, and

1746
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,439
they cut some more money. So I think that's a

1747
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:45,960
total win for Boston, right.

1748
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because Simon's was playing well,

1749
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,680
but I just think you said it they needed another

1750
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,520
big You cut money in the process, and I think

1751
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,159
you this is one of we talk about weighing the

1752
01:21:56,199 --> 01:22:00,960
bigger picture. They ended up like giving up Anthony Simons

1753
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,119
and then what did they finish a like down two

1754
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:04,560
second round picks total.

1755
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: I think, and they got out of the tax they

1756
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,279
started out.

1757
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to applaud a team for getting out

1758
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,319
of the tax, but for this season specifically, you're still

1759
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:15,520
contending for a top two spot. I think Simons's absence

1760
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:19,720
gets papered over a lot if Jason Tatum comes back

1761
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,840
this year, just between having Peyton Pritchard and if Derek

1762
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:23,800
White makes shots.

1763
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,359
Speaker 3: If Derek White makes shots, like all right.

1764
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: I think he was he was expended because were you

1765
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,359
gonna pay him and bring him back? I don't think

1766
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:34,640
they would have. And it fills a need like the

1767
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,119
rebounding from Boots for sure, and in a pinch, like

1768
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,319
you could still run some things through him, but the

1769
01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:43,479
fact that they were able, they still Bobby Marks posted

1770
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,159
this Their salary and luxury tax bill was projected to

1771
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:48,880
be five hundred and forty million dollars this season. It's

1772
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,960
now gonna be under one hundred and ninety million, and

1773
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:53,760
that they didn't give up a first round pick to

1774
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,439
do it right, and they're down whatever it is in seconds.

1775
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:00,600
I think for me, then they're gonna have to play

1776
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,960
like the ten day contract game when I was looking.

1777
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,079
So the math is gonna be tight, but like they

1778
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:07,159
figured out how to do it. So this doesn't count

1779
01:23:07,239 --> 01:23:09,359
towards a repeater o' clock here. You do have the

1780
01:23:09,399 --> 01:23:12,800
ability to be cost repressive next season two as you're

1781
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,039
trying to figure out what does Tatum look like. I

1782
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:18,840
think that's why it's valuable for him to come back

1783
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,800
this season. I don't want him going full bore, but

1784
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:23,560
he can come in and play the Anthony Simon's role.

1785
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,119
Speaker 1: If that's what you need done, that's fine. So I

1786
01:23:27,279 --> 01:23:28,279
liked what they did.

1787
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:31,079
Speaker 2: I did see Andrew in the chat said, why couldn't

1788
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:33,239
we have just kept Cornette if we were going to

1789
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:34,119
drop Simons?

1790
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean you would how would that have what would

1791
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:38,439
that have looked like?

1792
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 2: Because you ended up trading Drew for you needed to

1793
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,399
take back somebody in the Drew holiday trade.

1794
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: That's why. So that like that money was coming in.

1795
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: And look, the contracts of porzingis and holidays and even

1796
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,079
holiday more so were considered net negatives and they got

1797
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:54,840
like a at one point they were supposed to get

1798
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,359
picks back in the holiday trade. So I thought this

1799
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,000
it was a lot of bookkeeping, but in their situation specifically,

1800
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:03,319
We're not a podcast that normally is gonna like applaud

1801
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:05,720
it to no end. I thought this was a probably

1802
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,880
like a bookkeeping master class from Bradston.

1803
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,279
Speaker 1: They're not worse to.

1804
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,239
Speaker 3: Me normally, it's like, oh, good for you, you saved the

1805
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,399
owner money. But like this was just hard to do

1806
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,840
like that, this was an example, like this was an

1807
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,560
extreme case and they did it, and so yeah, I

1808
01:24:22,039 --> 01:24:25,000
think that's it. And look it's happening as the team

1809
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:27,439
is kicking it like is way better than it should

1810
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,319
have been. So it's just like at some point you

1811
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:31,079
got to you gotta just give it up and say,

1812
01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:34,680
like they're making all the good decisions just across the board. Somehow.

1813
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:40,399
Speaker 1: We move on to the Chicago Bulls, who traded some guards,

1814
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:43,119
but somehow still have all the guards on the roster.

1815
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: Kobe White gone, iol just Dome move gone, Vooch gone.

1816
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,560
They got a trillion seconds. They got a pick swap

1817
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:50,239
with Minnesota.

1818
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:51,039
Speaker 1: So was it right now?

1819
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 2: I think if the season ended today they could move

1820
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,439
up seven spots. They did a lot, and they also

1821
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,760
have Colin Sexton, So it was just I I can't

1822
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,840
wait to talk to you, like that's the trade. I

1823
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,159
want to ask you about the Kobe White recalled, Like

1824
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,279
is Kobe White that's more of a Hornets question, But

1825
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,800
is he enough of an upgrade from Colin Sexton for

1826
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,279
them to give up all the like a handful of

1827
01:25:14,279 --> 01:25:15,119
second round picks.

1828
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:21,239
Speaker 3: It's a little weird. Yeah, yeah, so general, I saw

1829
01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:25,840
the clip of our tourist karnashov Us saying we don't

1830
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,640
want to be in the middle basically I'm paraphrasing. And

1831
01:25:30,319 --> 01:25:33,399
the moves the Bulls made were pretty off brand for

1832
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:38,439
a team. It's almost like the Bulls finally like I

1833
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,880
don't know, like cracked open the window at the office

1834
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,399
and like heard fans down on the street saying, like

1835
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,239
get out of the middle, and oh, okay, you know,

1836
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,840
four years of kind of the same thing, chasing plans

1837
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,800
and becoming just like certainly here but everywhere else just

1838
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,119
the the first team you'd point to for like what

1839
01:25:57,159 --> 01:26:01,399
a just incredible lack of ambition, you know. And that's

1840
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,920
not to say that trading a bunch of expiring guys

1841
01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:05,880
or being in a position where you have all these

1842
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,479
guys expiring and their values are lower so you only

1843
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,279
can get back a bunch of seconds. That's not to

1844
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:15,000
say like, you know, masterstroke, great roster building. But the

1845
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:17,279
Bulls did kind of act in the way that we've

1846
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,439
been wanting them to act for, you know, like they

1847
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,960
they moved these salaries, they got flexible, they have cap space.

1848
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,359
They they like, Josh Gitty's gonna make twenty five next year,

1849
01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:31,239
and I forget who the next highest salary is, but

1850
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:33,239
it's in the teams, and it's you know, they're gonna

1851
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:35,279
pay Jade and Ivy. You get a second draft guy

1852
01:26:35,279 --> 01:26:38,840
in Jade and Ivy very much like a proper like

1853
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:44,199
Sane with the times, rip the band aid off, rebuild right,

1854
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:47,279
They're off the treadmill, it seems anywhere they act like

1855
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:49,720
a team that wanted to do that. So yeah, I

1856
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:53,119
think I'm happy with it. I you know, the returns

1857
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:55,800
are not going to blow you away. But the process

1858
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:58,279
that got them I think is finally the one that

1859
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,640
everybody wanted to see, right. I don't know that that

1860
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,600
feels like kind of the conventional take, but I think

1861
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,359
that's Oh Patrick Williams, sorry Andrew, who knowes Patrick Williams

1862
01:27:06,359 --> 01:27:08,319
salaries on the books? I try to block that out

1863
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:10,399
as much as possible. Except for that, Except for him,

1864
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,600
everything's great.

1865
01:27:11,279 --> 01:27:13,399
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be their starting center

1866
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,840
at one point. So it's just and.

1867
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,520
Speaker 2: Look, I could quiver over certain things, like I would

1868
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,920
have preferred I know what their center situation is now.

1869
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,079
I would have preferred them to have kept Usman jang over,

1870
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:27,279
like expanding that to get Nick Richards. But it's this

1871
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:29,439
is I wouldn't even call it a baby step. This

1872
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,119
is a fundamental shift in their thinking. And the Kobe

1873
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:35,319
White I think you could sit here and say they

1874
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:36,840
could have gotten a first round pick for him at

1875
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,159
some point, Yeah, they could have, but they ended up

1876
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:44,000
getting three seconds in Colin Sexton basically who I don't know,

1877
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:47,960
Like Colin Sexton, you could do you resign him and like,

1878
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,960
do you get more seconds FM him and move him later.

1879
01:27:50,039 --> 01:27:52,039
Is it like someone as someone coming off the bench.

1880
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:54,560
I know they have a ton of guards and we

1881
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,319
know they're all not going to be back, but I

1882
01:27:56,359 --> 01:27:59,600
think that for the most part, this is if you're

1883
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,399
a bulls, they haven't done the hard part yet. To

1884
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,199
be sure, they need to stick with this path and

1885
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:06,920
k not go. Are they gonna do something stupid over

1886
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,159
the summer now with their flexibility. It's not like they

1887
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:11,479
got any blue chip assets as part of this. But

1888
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,880
to hear them say and then to actually act like

1889
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:19,000
there don't want to be in the middle anymore, that's

1890
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,640
big for them. And then the other thing that they

1891
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,399
did was incredible, and Andrew in the chat just reminded

1892
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,520
me of it. Like at first I kind of clocked, oh,

1893
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,600
Dale and Terry was expiring. They took on Yabuseli's player

1894
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,880
option for him they did need front court help. This

1895
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,199
was before the Nick Richards trade got expanded. Yabu sell

1896
01:28:34,199 --> 01:28:36,479
he declined his player option. I guess he really wanted

1897
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,399
to leave New York or has a lucrative offer overseas.

1898
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,319
And then he did proceed to like just score and

1899
01:28:41,359 --> 01:28:44,199
double digits immediately when starting for the Bulls tonight.

1900
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,119
Speaker 1: There's just this was really really good for them.

1901
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:52,079
Speaker 3: So sorry if you forgot to mention Rob Dillingham, another

1902
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:53,199
second draft guy.

1903
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:56,039
Speaker 2: But at some point it's like, so you have Josh Giddy,

1904
01:28:56,079 --> 01:28:58,319
you have Rob dilling you have Jane and I being like,

1905
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,279
what is this all?

1906
01:28:59,359 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 1: This is a team to be fast.

1907
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,520
Speaker 2: At some point, just for the Lulls, you gotta throw

1908
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,800
out five point guards, right, it needs to happen?

1909
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 3: Why not? Absolutely? I mean, uh, I want to see

1910
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,159
Bizillis at the five though, when you just play four

1911
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:14,640
four point guards, that would be fun.

1912
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:17,159
Speaker 1: Oh fine, I guess, I guess we do that. So

1913
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:17,920
I want to talk.

1914
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:21,079
Speaker 2: Let's move on to because there are a few spinoffs

1915
01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:25,399
from this team. Let's do the Hornets. Okay, for the

1916
01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:27,640
the freaking Hornets. I'm honestly, the thing that I'm mad

1917
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,840
about is that the Hornets weren't more aggressive because they're

1918
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,960
so damn good now, winners of eight in a row,

1919
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:35,399
as we record, they they made em Udoka basically demand

1920
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:37,680
that the Rockets trade Outprin Shangun after the deadline.

1921
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: That's what.

1922
01:29:38,279 --> 01:29:41,239
Speaker 2: That's how good the Hornets are. What did What do

1923
01:29:41,279 --> 01:29:43,039
you think of the Kobe. They did other stuff too,

1924
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:46,880
They picked up seconds. They my comedy staw on this

1925
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,880
roster for now. He might end up back in Minnesota.

1926
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,560
That's probably the team we need to talk about next.

1927
01:29:51,359 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: What do you think? I don't They didn't do anything wrong.

1928
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,399
Speaker 2: I'm just how What do you think makes Kobe White

1929
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:02,520
that much more valuable to specifically than Colin Sexton? What

1930
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,479
is it just he's younger and the theory of him

1931
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,039
as an on ball guy is better because when.

1932
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,039
Speaker 1: You take into the data, do you know who's better?

1933
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: It's sex thing. Yeah, I don't know what in my

1934
01:30:14,079 --> 01:30:16,520
mind Kobe White's a better player than Colin Sexton. But

1935
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,039
when you look at the numbers, and I think Mike

1936
01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:21,000
Sheer made this on the on his Basketball's poetry Substack

1937
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:25,239
made this point of like, you know, it's it's really

1938
01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:29,520
like fourteen points at sixty one true shooting versus eighteen

1939
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,880
at fifty eight, And it's like, you know, different flavor,

1940
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,479
different strokes for different folks, is not really that different.

1941
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:39,479
I get. But again, though I think Kobe White's better,

1942
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:43,000
if pressed, I'm not sure how I would justify that case.

1943
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:48,119
I just think he's a little better. But is this

1944
01:30:48,119 --> 01:30:51,760
a position of weakness for Charlotte, Like what well, I mean,

1945
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,680
that's that's another element of it. I don't know that

1946
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,560
they needed a guard.

1947
01:30:56,359 --> 01:30:59,199
Speaker 2: I don't coming off the bench though, I think if

1948
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,079
he wanted to say, Kobe White is better than Sexton,

1949
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:04,039
because one, I think on the ball, he has more

1950
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:06,920
side to side ample than a Colin Sexton who's more

1951
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:11,800
north south. Yeah, I actually think that you Kobe White

1952
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,840
is the more versatile passer, even if the assist numbers

1953
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,720
don't add up to it, like Colin Sexton feels like

1954
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,640
it needs to be very basic stuff or spray out

1955
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,960
of drives. The other thing that I think is important

1956
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,039
is you can use Kobe White off the ball fundamentally

1957
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:26,800
differently compared to the way that you can use Colin

1958
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,079
Sexton off the ball. And so as someone who's coming

1959
01:31:29,119 --> 01:31:31,239
off the bench, if you ever want to try and

1960
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:35,880
go three guards with Konkinippo LaMelo ball, Kobe White to

1961
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,720
me makes more sense than Colin Sexton. You're not losing anything,

1962
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,560
and he's by the way, he's also younger. I don't

1963
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,119
know how much that now he's twenty five or in

1964
01:31:43,159 --> 01:31:47,239
his age twenty five season, So I I think I

1965
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:49,000
gave this deal like a C plus or a B

1966
01:31:49,119 --> 01:31:51,600
minus because a lot of it is theoretical. But when

1967
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,319
I think about it from the Hornets perspective, I like

1968
01:31:55,399 --> 01:31:58,720
the Kobe White fit beyond this season a lot more

1969
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,039
than I like the Colin Sexton fit beyond this Okay,

1970
01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:03,319
maybe that's maybe that's.

1971
01:32:03,119 --> 01:32:06,319
Speaker 3: Where my preference comes from. It is, so that was

1972
01:32:06,359 --> 01:32:08,960
what I was gonna ask you. Do you assume that

1973
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:14,199
they intend to keep Kobe White? And is that necessary

1974
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:16,079
for you to like this trade? It has to be

1975
01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:17,800
right because they gave up more stuff.

1976
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean yes, I think so.

1977
01:32:22,199 --> 01:32:24,399
Speaker 2: That would be The other thing is they they might

1978
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,760
wind up like net even in seconds based off some

1979
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,560
of the other business that they did. But yeah, by

1980
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,840
the way, I love the bit of them just acquiring

1981
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,600
former Thunder players who don't stick. So Usman Jang was

1982
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,279
a member of the Hornets for like a hot minute.

1983
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:40,039
Now he's a member of the uh, the Milwaukee Bucks.

1984
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,640
So but yeah, you have because you gave up I mean,

1985
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,479
the pick equity ends up being a twenty twenty nine

1986
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,840
second least savora bowl of Charlotte and Denver. Denver's twenty

1987
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,079
thirty one second in New York's twenty thirty one second.

1988
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,560
So those are that's two seconds that you could talk

1989
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,560
yourself into being top forty two. And so yeah, you

1990
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,079
better bring Kobe White back. If you don't, maybe it's

1991
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:04,279
because you made a bigger move. And but that's but

1992
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,439
that's the bigger takeaway here is I know their offense

1993
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,680
is receiving a lot of credit. Grant, they're like top

1994
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,079
five and around the top five to top eight in

1995
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:14,840
defense since Thanksgiving. Now you know what you're gonna say,

1996
01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:17,800
opponent three point shooting Dan was your two foil.

1997
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:23,520
Speaker 3: At But but I sound just like that when I don't.

1998
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: But the offense scoring so efficiently allows their defense to

1999
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:36,119
get set and Charles Lee is a madman if you're

2000
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:38,520
able to get your defense set, and I think it

2001
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,800
helps the emergence of Mussa Diabade has been huge. I

2002
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,920
think Brandon Miller's probably be more solid than that. Even

2003
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,039
LaMelo Ball just hasn't. But you have I haven't watched

2004
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:49,760
as often. It'd be like, h gross, so having getting

2005
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,680
some minutes from I mean gross. I know people have

2006
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:53,840
kind of fallen out of love with him, but they

2007
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,279
do have like also just sort of those pests where it's, oh,

2008
01:33:56,279 --> 01:34:00,000
if we need just pure defensive anarchy, here's Seon James.

2009
01:34:01,119 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: This team is approaching like and I would have.

2010
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,199
Speaker 2: Made the case before the Jazz made their move, before

2011
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,960
the Wizards made the Anthony Davis trade. I would have said,

2012
01:34:09,279 --> 01:34:12,680
if there's a team where they have this discordinate timeline

2013
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,239
relative to buying at the trade deadline, but they should

2014
01:34:15,239 --> 01:34:15,680
ignore it.

2015
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:16,239
Speaker 1: Who is it?

2016
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:18,119
Speaker 2: I absolutely would have picked the Hornets, and I will

2017
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:21,000
pick the Hornets leading into the offseason again, because this

2018
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:21,920
team might be coming.

2019
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:25,359
Speaker 3: Oh they're oh yeah, they're on the short list for sure.

2020
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,479
The offense alone is like, okay, we got to kind

2021
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,399
of take notice of what these guys might be.

2022
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 1: Are you concerned about their defense? Though? Oh?

2023
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 3: Just I need to. It needs to happen for longer.

2024
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,399
I was actually wasn't going to go for the for

2025
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,159
the three point thing. I actually didn't have that stat

2026
01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:42,800
top of mine.

2027
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,079
Speaker 2: But that probably The other thing is I was a

2028
01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:48,119
little surprised they didn't get two first round picks for

2029
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:50,479
Miles Bridges, but they didn't trade them for nothing, so

2030
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,159
we still stall on the roster. Do you want to

2031
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,880
do the Timberwolves next? They're kind of another team that's

2032
01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:57,159
spun off of the Bulls.

2033
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we mentioned Rob dilling gone, he goes out

2034
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,279
with Leonard Miller for Iodasummu and Julian Phillips. So is

2035
01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:10,199
there anything else going on? Yeah?

2036
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:13,239
Speaker 2: So the way to look at this for me is

2037
01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:17,239
they traded Mike Conley and a twenty twenty six swap

2038
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,960
to the Bulls. They also traded four seconds Leonard Miller,

2039
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:25,960
Rob Dillingham and it was all to get Ayudusumu. It's

2040
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:26,880
and Julian Phillips.

2041
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,199
Speaker 1: If you assign any value to him, I don't. When

2042
01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:30,760
you saw the.

2043
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 2: Mike Conley trade, my impression really was, oh, like, what

2044
01:35:36,399 --> 01:35:38,199
this team is gearing up or something big.

2045
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 3: I thought it was a honest precursor. Is there they're

2046
01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:44,520
getting like things set up to get where they need

2047
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,640
to relative to the Aprons or just like that. That

2048
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,560
was my That was my kind of hopeful thought. Well

2049
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,880
not hopeful because I wanted the Warriors to trade for you, honest,

2050
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,039
but like that would be the most interesting way for

2051
01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:56,920
that to have been spun. But but it did not

2052
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,880
go that way. Is that did you go there too?

2053
01:35:58,920 --> 01:35:59,640
You must have gone there.

2054
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if it was Yiannis or it was

2055
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:04,960
like were they was it just someone we weren't talking about.

2056
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

2057
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 2: Jake Fisher alluded to that bam out of bios on them,

2058
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,840
was like, there's something going to be like happening manage.

2059
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 3: Well we deduced that again he didn't want he didn't

2060
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:14,760
want to aggregate it.

2061
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: And just don't tag us because we want him to

2062
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:17,560
still like us.

2063
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 2: So when you look at it through that where it's so,

2064
01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:22,920
as Andrew points out in the chat where he's asking

2065
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,720
Mike Commlegue can resign with the Tarry Canow because they're

2066
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,439
not his former team anymore, the uh the Bulls are right, Well.

2067
01:36:29,279 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 3: I bet you he yes, I bet you he will right.

2068
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,680
It seems like that was all drawn up in advance.

2069
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:37,359
So here's so let's look at it this way. Is

2070
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:43,000
a twenty twenty six swap four seconds. Leonard Miller rob

2071
01:36:43,039 --> 01:36:48,359
Dillingham worth extra financial flexibility and I would to soon

2072
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:50,720
move because and I excluded my comics.

2073
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,199
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna assume he comes back.

2074
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,119
Speaker 3: Maybe if maybe a lot depends on if Dillingham is

2075
01:36:57,119 --> 01:36:59,880
going to be anything at all. But well, let's put

2076
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,520
it through. What the Timberwolves care about right now. Rob

2077
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,680
Dillingham was not going to be anything at all right now.

2078
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:09,039
Dessum MoU isn't perfect, but we tried to trade him

2079
01:37:09,079 --> 01:37:11,560
everywhere because we like him and he makes sense and

2080
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,520
he does address a backcourt spot that I think the

2081
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:19,920
Wolves needed to address when you lay out all the assets.

2082
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,760
So it kind of sounds like a lot for dis

2083
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,640
soun MoU, doesn't it? Is that what you're getting.

2084
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:27,199
Speaker 1: At you better resign him, right well.

2085
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I mean you can't. Well yeah, I think

2086
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,680
you do have to resign him. Is kind of like

2087
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,319
Kobe White and charge like you better intend to keep

2088
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:36,399
him around if you're doing this.

2089
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,159
Speaker 2: I'm just they could have done My old thing is

2090
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,199
I guess from struggling, is they could have figured out

2091
01:37:42,199 --> 01:37:46,239
a way to do this exact thing without dropping down

2092
01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:49,199
in the first round to trade Mike Conley, which I

2093
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:50,960
guess will tell amount so that they could have Mike

2094
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,640
Conley at a cheaper rate is basically what it amounts

2095
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,239
to for me. So because I'm look the Dillingham thing,

2096
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,680
that's another sunk cost that it's sort of like, you

2097
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,840
don't want to let the Luca trade inform so much

2098
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,880
of how you feel about the Anthony Davis trade. You

2099
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,000
can't let what they gave up and where they drafted

2100
01:38:07,039 --> 01:38:09,199
ROMed like it wasn't it wasn't happening in.

2101
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota, and it was a miss.

2102
01:38:11,079 --> 01:38:13,359
Speaker 2: I would assume who doesn't have as much on ball,

2103
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,600
jiggle and joggle as a Bones Highland or Rob Dillingham,

2104
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,720
But he does the best of when you look at

2105
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:23,039
Mike Conley, Jallen Clark, Bones Highland and Rob Dillingham, if

2106
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:25,000
you needed someone to blend as many of the things

2107
01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:28,199
that they do as possible, you would have, like maybe

2108
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:29,800
Cam Spencer would have been a better fit, but you

2109
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,159
weren't getting him.

2110
01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to also see, like what does he cost?

2111
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,560
And we've decided goha.

2112
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,039
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, big Santino notes, it's not that

2113
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:43,439
they messed up on I. You're speaking my language. I

2114
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,720
forget who laid it out. Maybe you saw this, but

2115
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,640
but essentially, if you assume that they are keeping IOH

2116
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,159
and they're gonna pay him market rates, which might actually

2117
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:56,640
exceed what Alexander Waller is getting right now, so you

2118
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,359
need to get more than naw, No, it's not making

2119
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:01,439
that much, dude, Like it's under the mid level.

2120
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: So you think Io gets more than the mid level.

2121
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,119
Speaker 3: It'll be at least close. And so the argument was,

2122
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,800
like they could have just kept Non not had to

2123
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,199
do all of this.

2124
01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Why not just dumped Dillingham and like do this in

2125
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:13,439
the fruit.

2126
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is persuasive to me as an Alexander Walker

2127
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,199
accolyte and early adopter.

2128
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 2: Now, but yeah, Insite's twenty twenty. But the problem is

2129
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,720
is that in the moment it was pretty twenty twenty

2130
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,560
that losing No was gonna be a bit like that.

2131
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,079
Speaker 3: Really, like, he's one of our guys, do.

2132
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 2: We So there's some stuff before we get the teams

2133
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:33,840
that maybe didn't do anything. You want to can we

2134
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,800
talk about Let's talk about the oh Man, No, we

2135
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:40,800
got to talk about this team. Jared McCain. The Sixers

2136
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,359
traded Jared McCain. They also did other stuff too. They

2137
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,880
ducked the tax. All it took Grant was Paul George

2138
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:49,760
getting suspended for five game twenty five games and trading

2139
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,479
Jared McCain. That Rockets pick is gonna be twenty four

2140
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,760
twenty six. If they got for McCain, they got some seconds.

2141
01:39:57,239 --> 01:40:02,000
I am unmoved by their trade deadline. This was cheapness

2142
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,279
in excess to me, the Eric Gordon deal. Fine, this deal,

2143
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,159
I understand you didn't have a pathway to necessarily breaking out.

2144
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,720
While if Quent Grimes is gonna stay for sure, but

2145
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,319
with VJ. Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxey.

2146
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: But are we kidding?

2147
01:40:16,359 --> 01:40:19,159
Speaker 2: This is just like this is what I don't know, Like,

2148
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:22,279
if you're lucky, you'll draft someone with that Rockets pick

2149
01:40:22,319 --> 01:40:24,600
who's a third as good as Jared McCain.

2150
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,239
Speaker 3: Well, so that's where I went on. This is I

2151
01:40:27,319 --> 01:40:31,960
wonder if if the Sixers have decided, I mean one

2152
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,319
part one thing is decided, which is like those those

2153
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:36,760
at least the starting back court minutes are spoken for,

2154
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:40,479
and then beyond that, I think Grimes is actually someone

2155
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,359
that is just better than McCain at the moment and

2156
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,119
probably will be for as long as the next contract

2157
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,600
McCain was gonna sign, you know, if you're just comparing

2158
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:52,159
the two production over the next five to five six

2159
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:56,479
years whatever. And the other the other thing is I

2160
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,000
wonder if the Sixers also just decided like those two

2161
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,439
twenty three games we got from McCain, where that'll be

2162
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,800
his career apex and we might as well just get

2163
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,680
another first and see what we can do with it.

2164
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,279
I don't know how you would know that, but that's

2165
01:41:11,319 --> 01:41:13,800
how this makes sense to me. I'm not sure I agree.

2166
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,039
I think McCain I would have wanted to see more

2167
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:21,199
before I just used him to save money. Basically, like

2168
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:23,800
you get a first, it's a it is an actual first.

2169
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:28,159
It'll be twenty I don't know, two to twenty eight

2170
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:30,520
in the first round at the end of the first round.

2171
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,359
But yeah, it feels a little light. I kind of

2172
01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:36,359
get it, though I don't know why. I actually have

2173
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,199
a little skepticism about McCain, but but I I don't know.

2174
01:41:40,279 --> 01:41:43,239
I think the stixers must have just decided, like, we

2175
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:45,600
know who our guard rotation is gonna be, and we

2176
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,560
might as well get an asset and save money.

2177
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:50,319
Speaker 2: So you don't love it, but you don't hate it

2178
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:52,159
as much as I do. It's basically where you end up.

2179
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably I'm kind of lukewarm on it, I guess,

2180
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,119
but it's a it's a I mean.

2181
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 1: It's a write of passage. They had a duck attacks.

2182
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:05,680
They always make the salary dumping trade. This is so cheeky.

2183
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 2: Monkey eighty eight eighteen says Jared McCain. Things seems like

2184
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,760
more of a vibe thing and VJ so that the

2185
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:16,079
implication being that the vibes were off in Philly. Like

2186
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:19,800
Jared McCain wasn't happy. I mean sure that that doesn't

2187
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,840
move me as a reason to move him.

2188
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: But I guess what was it?

2189
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,039
Speaker 2: Three seconds in a late first and you get out

2190
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:27,880
of the tacks. Josh Harris, I'm assuming is is thrilled.

2191
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,079
The other side of this deal, to me, is more

2192
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:34,720
fascinating for reasons that are both good and bad. Shake

2193
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,800
Gilloch Suxander's dealing with that abdominal strain, Jalaln Williams has

2194
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:38,800
that hamstring injury.

2195
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,039
Speaker 1: AJ Mitchell's dealing with a hip injury.

2196
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:44,119
Speaker 2: Right thunder banged up, and now they just get Jared McCain,

2197
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:47,439
another guy cost controlled for two more years after this one.

2198
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,399
They had first round picks to spare. I love this

2199
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:53,159
for them in terms of taking the swing. I'm uncomfortable

2200
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,560
because it feels like they needed this just looking at

2201
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,560
all the injuries that are mounting on their roster.

2202
01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:02,079
Speaker 3: Did we talk about this this morning? I think maybe

2203
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:05,800
we talked about it at some point about like maybe

2204
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,520
should there be some urgency for the Thunder. I think

2205
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:12,720
I ultimately land on like probably not, but they I

2206
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,479
mean they got the assets to do it if they

2207
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,800
wanted to. And I don't know what the name would

2208
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,239
have been, they certainly could have swung a little bigger.

2209
01:43:20,119 --> 01:43:23,880
I'm not Let's see what's our what's our what's our

2210
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,560
concern level for the Thunder like one to ten? As

2211
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,720
as far as like, are they the favorites? I can

2212
01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:31,760
I can't get.

2213
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 2: I can't get like a it's to me, it's still

2214
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,680
just not that fully, I would be more concerned if

2215
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,319
I looked at, oh, the Timberwolves are actually consistent, they're not,

2216
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,319
or I looked at the Nuggets and said, oh, they've

2217
01:43:42,359 --> 01:43:44,159
been pretty healthy, which they have watched them.

2218
01:43:44,359 --> 01:43:47,319
Speaker 3: Well, here's a here, here's a great great point. You

2219
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,520
raise a great point, like what trade happened in the

2220
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:55,279
last week that made a really good team better? That

2221
01:43:55,279 --> 01:43:59,119
that is like a threat to the Thunder, Like, uh,

2222
01:43:59,239 --> 01:44:00,520
we got slandered Pistons.

2223
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:01,279
Speaker 1: I love it.

2224
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,199
Speaker 3: I don't see it, like what what move? What move?

2225
01:44:04,319 --> 01:44:08,319
Like meaningfully improved team that was gonna be in the

2226
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:14,880
conversation with Houston didn't get way better. The Spurs well,

2227
01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:17,239
I was, I was trying to tee you up for

2228
01:44:17,279 --> 01:44:18,960
that one. That was the most meaningful move of that,

2229
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:21,520
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I think the

2230
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,960
Thunder should feel more vulnerable now because of all these

2231
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,399
injuries than they have really at any point this season.

2232
01:44:28,279 --> 01:44:32,399
But nobody else did anything to like make them, you know,

2233
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:34,600
feel scared.

2234
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't think do you think I don't want to

2235
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,479
move too many steps ahead? But do you think that

2236
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:43,600
them making this move is more about just the opportunity

2237
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,479
and maybe the immediate need slash mini urgency or do

2238
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:51,119
you think this kind of telegraphs well, Cason Wallace, Alex Cruz,

2239
01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:54,199
Lou Dort, all three of those guys not gonna be

2240
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:58,560
here next year? Maybe Isaiah Joe like to me it

2241
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,520
it reads like one are two perimeter players that are

2242
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:03,800
in the rotation right now are not going to be

2243
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,079
around next season. That's my my loose read on it.

2244
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,960
But maybe I'm skipping too far ahead.

2245
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:11,159
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit. But I do think I think

2246
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,760
the other component is like the cost was low enough

2247
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:17,560
that and that like, yeah, you just do this if

2248
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:19,680
you're if you're the Thunder, Like they're like they got

2249
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,039
enough picks, they got they got two years worth of

2250
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:26,199
rookies in the lottery that haven't even played for them yet,

2251
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:28,039
that are in the pipeline. Like, what are we gonna

2252
01:45:28,079 --> 01:45:30,279
do with a number twenty four pick in this draft? Like,

2253
01:45:30,359 --> 01:45:33,880
let's just take McCain. He's cheap, he's he's actually been

2254
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,720
good in a stretch of his rookie year. Makes sense.

2255
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:39,199
So if you do need to lose one of those guys,

2256
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:40,119
no big deal.

2257
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 2: Thunder traded for Balsa Kopravica Championship. I did grade this trade,

2258
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,520
and I gave a thunder and a plus. Not because

2259
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,319
I think the twenty five year old seven footer is

2260
01:45:50,319 --> 01:45:53,600
ever gonna come state side, but I'm I like collecting

2261
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,319
draft rights because teams need to touch and he's like

2262
01:45:56,399 --> 01:45:59,840
mega scenario. So if you just have these dispensable draft rights,

2263
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:03,079
just top notch stuff from Sam Presty. However, I am

2264
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:05,600
surprised he wasn't fired because he was not the first

2265
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:06,920
lead executive.

2266
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: To trade for a twenty thirty two first round pick.

2267
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:09,760
Do you know who was?

2268
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 3: Uh no, I'm sure, Oh, okay, there you go. Oh

2269
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,960
that's right. You're getting a stampj not being traded.

2270
01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 2: That's what's happening, So let's go to the well, let's

2271
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:28,159
go to the Knicks. Here they traded two first round

2272
01:46:28,199 --> 01:46:32,079
picks and dal and terror If basically Gershan Jabuceli in

2273
01:46:32,079 --> 01:46:33,640
two first round picks for Jose Alvarados.

2274
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:35,520
Speaker 3: What it turned into second? Second? Second?

2275
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,119
Speaker 1: Second? Oh yeah, sorry, I apologize.

2276
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 3: He's worth's Jose Alarado is worth two first but they

2277
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:42,399
didn't have to get.

2278
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,239
Speaker 2: I think this was ended up being a really good

2279
01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:48,640
deal for them, and part of that is because it's

2280
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,319
they needed it. Deuce McBride is not going to be

2281
01:46:51,319 --> 01:46:53,720
out until at least the playoffs with a core muscle

2282
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,279
injury that I didn't know he had.

2283
01:46:55,319 --> 01:46:57,279
Speaker 1: They were listening him out with ankle soreness.

2284
01:46:57,399 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 3: That was news to me too.

2285
01:46:59,359 --> 01:47:02,119
Speaker 1: Hashtag and transparency on that one.

2286
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 2: I like this because with Duce McBride out, we did

2287
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,319
talk about how point of attack defense isn't too important.

2288
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,760
It's meg it important when Karl Anthony Towns is in

2289
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:14,439
your front court, and without Duce McBride, their best point

2290
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,359
of attack defender is Landry SHAMMITTT kudos to Landry Shammitt,

2291
01:47:17,359 --> 01:47:18,439
but you need somebody else.

2292
01:47:19,039 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: Jose Everado does that.

2293
01:47:20,319 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 2: He is the better passer than Duce McBride, and he's

2294
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,319
shooting thirty six plus percent from three over the past

2295
01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:29,359
three seasons. I do think if you're gonna give up

2296
01:47:29,399 --> 01:47:32,279
two seconds, you're probably hoping that he's planning to opt

2297
01:47:32,319 --> 01:47:34,560
in to that four point five million dollar player option,

2298
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:37,439
then maybe extend off of that. But I didn't think

2299
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:38,960
this would have been a good trade, even if Duce

2300
01:47:39,039 --> 01:47:41,880
McBride was like, you traded someone who really shouldn't have

2301
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:43,439
been playing to someone who might actually play in the

2302
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:44,840
playoffs if his threes are falling.

2303
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:48,279
Speaker 1: Good trade. But it was to me. I came to

2304
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:50,079
view it as an essential trade.

2305
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,239
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I know. Did the McBride news drop after

2306
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:54,760
the Yes?

2307
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:58,560
Speaker 2: Basically it was basically immediately after I got a text

2308
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,560
for my father in law, Nick's trade good is all

2309
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,199
it said, And I looked at it, and then I

2310
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:05,920
was about to answer him the notification came about the

2311
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,720
Duce McBride thing on my phone. I was just like,

2312
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,199
he wasn't I didn't even know he was out with

2313
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:14,279
a core muscle injury. I kept seeing ankle soreness. Five

2314
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:16,479
games with ankle soreness. By the way, that's not that's

2315
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:16,960
not a thing.

2316
01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:19,399
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on if your team's tanking or not.

2317
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:22,600
Uh yeah, No, I liked it a lot. It makes sense,

2318
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,720
like of the small time moves that, like you said,

2319
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,680
this is one where it's like, oh, that's a that's

2320
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,640
a playoff rotation guy, Like he's actually gonna do something meaningful.

2321
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,520
I think, and I bet you he will opt in,

2322
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:37,720
by the way, just because like it's just the marriage

2323
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,720
of him in New York is just like that that's

2324
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,439
gonna work. I think he's gonna want to be a

2325
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:41,880
part of that.

2326
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 2: It's probably quick fire time. Let's talk about the Pelicans,

2327
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,319
not just end of this. I think you make this

2328
01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:50,239
trade like two seconds for Jose Alvarado, but he is

2329
01:48:50,279 --> 01:48:52,640
a culture center there, so that's a little weird.

2330
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 1: What are what dude, what are they doing?

2331
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 2: Like should they have should they have traded any of

2332
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:01,319
the Zion the Trey Murphy want them kind of the mind, No,

2333
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:05,199
don't try, like unless there was the like the a

2334
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:08,079
Vita Zubats type offer, but for Trey Murphy probably needed

2335
01:49:08,079 --> 01:49:12,039
an extra pick in there. The Zion and Herb Jones,

2336
01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:14,720
Like what is did you expect this team to be

2337
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,720
more active or did you take them saying we're not

2338
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:19,279
trading anybody at face value.

2339
01:49:19,319 --> 01:49:22,199
Speaker 3: Like it seems I did take them at face value,

2340
01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:25,199
and I thought it was dumb. I think shumn't Dua

2341
01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:27,680
was pointing out the other day on Blue Sky about

2342
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,680
you know the reality of the New Orleans sports situation

2343
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,960
is that the owners of the Saints and Pelicans care

2344
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,119
about you know, they're they're losing sponsors, that people are

2345
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:39,640
leaving the front off, like it's just a it's a

2346
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,800
terrible situation. It's just not one that could maybe stand

2347
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:46,640
like a we're trading guys for draft picks, rebuild type thing.

2348
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,159
So they were very much motivated by stuff that shouldn't

2349
01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:54,680
be that. It's unfortunate that they're motivated by because you

2350
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:56,359
can get three first or Trey Murphy, I think you

2351
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:58,399
take it if you can get a first. For Herb Jones,

2352
01:49:58,399 --> 01:50:00,560
I think you take it if you can get good value. Resign,

2353
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,079
I think you take it. It seems like they just

2354
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,560
that wasn't gonna happen for kind of the wrong reasons.

2355
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm totally with you. Shout out to Cheeky Monkey.

2356
01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:14,039
We got a super chat grant. Oh yeah, you guys rock.

2357
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:16,039
Speaker 1: Thanks for the show. Tonight. You guys have real potential.

2358
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:16,600
Keep it up.

2359
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Uh, real potential. That's definitely what I want. Thank you

2360
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,319
so much, that's what I want to hear. After ten

2361
01:50:21,399 --> 01:50:27,000
years of podcasting, still theres.

2362
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:26,119
Speaker 3: Trying to get better.

2363
01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I don't know what you're You're you and

2364
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,239
Shmidt right on everything you said.

2365
01:50:32,319 --> 01:50:35,399
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just don't know what this.

2366
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what to solve or what the endgame

2367
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,800
here is. There was I think there are Pelicans fans

2368
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,159
that believe they have the core of like A, this

2369
01:50:44,199 --> 01:50:46,640
team could make the playoffs next year, and I just

2370
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:48,960
don't I don't see it.

2371
01:50:49,079 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 3: Who's not playing right now? That that like.

2372
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:56,600
Speaker 2: Jean Day Murray sir all right, Yeah, it's it's uh.

2373
01:50:57,159 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I would have traded everything, I think.

2374
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,039
But like we've said already, it's a lot easier to

2375
01:51:02,079 --> 01:51:04,039
tear things down than it is to build it up.

2376
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:07,079
So that's the first half is the easy one.

2377
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:12,399
Speaker 1: Rapid fire, Orlando, Magic Duck, the Tax, your favorite or

2378
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:13,640
created Tyas Jones.

2379
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,199
Speaker 3: You know that was the most one of the more

2380
01:51:15,239 --> 01:51:18,319
inevitable deadline moves based on how he was playing in

2381
01:51:18,359 --> 01:51:22,680
their proximity of the tax bummer that this is where

2382
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,239
we are with the Magic based on some of the

2383
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:26,039
preseason hype right where it's like.

2384
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,600
Speaker 2: I didn't pick them for fifty wins, except that I

2385
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:29,239
definitely did.

2386
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, to be fair.

2387
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,039
Speaker 2: Ducking the tacks this year made like you don't want

2388
01:51:37,079 --> 01:51:39,640
to start the repeater clock if we're looking at the

2389
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,359
reality of the situation, because the real reality is, hey,

2390
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,479
billionaire owners, just pay if you think your team is good.

2391
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Now, this team is not great. It could be good.

2392
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,239
Speaker 2: I think a full strength at least their core lineup

2393
01:51:51,319 --> 01:51:53,880
is going to be really good. But with Pala's extension

2394
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,560
kicking in, you have Desmond Baine, you have Frondz. Jalen

2395
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,199
Suggs's deal is declining but it's not tiny. And now

2396
01:52:00,199 --> 01:52:02,399
all of a sudden, the question becomes is Anti Black

2397
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:05,399
gonna get more money than Jaalen Suggs. You needed to

2398
01:52:05,399 --> 01:52:08,279
get out of the tacks And yeah, ideally it wouldn't

2399
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:10,479
have been to use you wouldn't use Tias Jones to

2400
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:15,319
do it. But Tias Jones, I don't say he's actively detrimental,

2401
01:52:15,399 --> 01:52:17,680
but like that was not the player they thought they

2402
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,640
were getting or the player they signed, and this is

2403
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,479
a team that's gonna have to seasons not over yet,

2404
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,640
We're there. Need to look inward and figure out some

2405
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:27,119
offensive things over the offseason for sure.

2406
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,520
Speaker 1: Are the right players in place? Is the right coach

2407
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:29,920
in place?

2408
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 2: There's just not And again they've been injured, but there's

2409
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,680
not enough diversity in the way that they play their offense.

2410
01:52:36,359 --> 01:52:39,560
Speaker 3: It'll start with Mosley and then if that doesn't solve it,

2411
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:43,000
then we'll have them. There's already that, like, is Polo

2412
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:46,279
really the guy whispers? Mosley will go and then Palo

2413
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,720
will get it, will earnestly have the discussion about Paolo.

2414
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,920
I feel like that is that is the roadmap for

2415
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,119
the next like eighteen months.

2416
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: Probably the Brooklyn Nets grant held on to. We're gonna go.

2417
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have to go to the Detroit

2418
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,359
Piston after this, because I think they're the team that

2419
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:04,560
angered me, angered me the most, but not they're still

2420
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,720
so good. So I'm not actually angry. Were you surprised

2421
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,720
that they I mean camp they waved Cam Thomas, but

2422
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:14,079
Michael Porter Junior still there, Nicholas Claxton is still there.

2423
01:53:14,279 --> 01:53:17,760
They have o Chi Boji now, so like they have ranged.

2424
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,000
They got some more ranging defenders on this team. Were

2425
01:53:20,039 --> 01:53:22,920
you just surprised that they didn't do anything more significant

2426
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:24,920
when looking at like bigger money that they took on,

2427
01:53:25,079 --> 01:53:26,960
or is this about what you expected from them?

2428
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 3: I don't really understand not trading MPJ. I think if

2429
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:36,119
there was like a two first maybe now it seems

2430
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:38,800
like that wasn't realistic. But if there was a real

2431
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,520
first and then a fake one out there, I think

2432
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,399
you probably should have done it. It's hard for me

2433
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:46,439
to imagine mpj's value getting higher than it is right now,

2434
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,239
just because he's playing so well. The contract now doesn't

2435
01:53:50,279 --> 01:53:54,119
seem totally onerous. He stayed healthy again. I just I

2436
01:53:54,159 --> 01:53:56,199
think this was the time to move him. So a

2437
01:53:56,199 --> 01:54:00,720
little surprised there cam Thomas thing. There's just nobody wanted

2438
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,800
Cam Thomas, or nobody was willing to give up anything

2439
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,680
for Cam Thomas. If you want Cam Thomas, you can

2440
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,680
sign him. I was gonna say in the offseason, you

2441
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,880
can sign him right now if you want to, because

2442
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:13,199
he's available. Anything else about the Nets, I think that

2443
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:15,079
I don't. I think it just I don't know. Were

2444
01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:17,119
you surprise MPJ didn't get moved?

2445
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:18,239
Speaker 1: I kind of thought.

2446
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 2: He It did seem like the messaging was that he

2447
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:22,720
wasn't gonna get moved close to the trade online. But

2448
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,479
do you think that there was an offer with two

2449
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:26,239
first round picks on the table for him or no.

2450
01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:31,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say there must not have been, because I

2451
01:54:31,319 --> 01:54:33,720
think the Nets would have taken it. If there were

2452
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,159
two real first I think that I think that deal

2453
01:54:36,199 --> 01:54:37,119
would have gotten done.

2454
01:54:37,399 --> 01:54:39,439
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be wrong, but if there weren't teams wanting

2455
01:54:39,439 --> 01:54:41,119
to put too real first I'm not saying they needed

2456
01:54:41,159 --> 01:54:43,600
to be what the Pacers gave up for Zoobots all

2457
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:46,439
the season Michael Porter Junior's had, but if there wasn't

2458
01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:48,479
a team that was willing to give up the equivalent

2459
01:54:48,479 --> 01:54:51,319
of two first for Michael Porter Junior, I don't know.

2460
01:54:51,479 --> 01:54:53,800
I have questions, but I think the Nets, overall, I

2461
01:54:54,119 --> 01:54:56,560
expected them to do something a little bit bigger, whether

2462
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:59,920
it was selling or taking in Like Ochak Bogie was

2463
01:55:00,119 --> 01:55:02,800
biggest salary they took in. But Josh might not play.

2464
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,720
He had some good moments for the Celtics earlier this year.

2465
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,119
I do like that they just continue to short Denver's future.

2466
01:55:09,159 --> 01:55:11,239
Now they have their twenty thirty two second for taking

2467
01:55:11,239 --> 01:55:13,039
on her, and they gave up another second.

2468
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 1: To do it, and Denver very quickly. I was fine

2469
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:18,279
with that deal.

2470
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,159
Speaker 2: I don't love giving up the twenty thirty two second,

2471
01:55:21,159 --> 01:55:24,000
but it was a reinvestment in Okay, we can be

2472
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:25,880
players on the buy out market now, and they got

2473
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,279
a twenty twenty six second back. So it is prioritizing

2474
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,520
adding talent to keep kind of the Nicola Jokics train

2475
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,159
rolling while you're paying it. The real inflection point for

2476
01:55:35,239 --> 01:55:37,520
me with the Nuggets, aside from Ken they get healthy

2477
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,680
and what will they do in the playoffs? Are they

2478
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:43,119
just willing to pay Peyton Watson after paying Christian Brown?

2479
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:45,399
Like that's the I didn't expect Peyton Watson to get moved,

2480
01:55:45,399 --> 01:55:48,000
but that's the next inflection point for this team.

2481
01:55:48,359 --> 01:55:51,319
Speaker 3: I'm really glad Peyton Watson. That wouldn't How disappoint would

2482
01:55:51,319 --> 01:55:55,439
that have been if you just I I think I

2483
01:55:55,439 --> 01:55:58,439
think had they moved Peyton Watson because they are afraid

2484
01:55:58,479 --> 01:56:00,760
of what it might cost to match an offer, sheeting

2485
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:04,640
restrict free agency. I don't know that that you You've

2486
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,119
been correct to point out that they do pay their guys,

2487
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:08,880
so maybe that was overblown, but I was a little

2488
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,079
nervous about that one. I'm glad. I'm glad he's still there.

2489
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk.

2490
01:56:14,399 --> 01:56:17,239
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Pistons, who it's not that they

2491
01:56:17,439 --> 01:56:22,279
they did something, Kevin Herder. Are you disappointed that they

2492
01:56:22,279 --> 01:56:27,279
didn't seek a more aggressive upgrade, especially in the front court. Well,

2493
01:56:27,319 --> 01:56:28,880
I want to say the front they're set at center,

2494
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,680
but kind of from not even just if you weren't

2495
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,239
going to upgrade the Tobias Harris spot, but like get

2496
01:56:33,279 --> 01:56:36,880
like a better alternative behind Tobaia or just something there.

2497
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,199
Are you disappointed or is this there first in the

2498
01:56:39,239 --> 01:56:41,239
East they wanted they did get rid of Jade and

2499
01:56:41,279 --> 01:56:44,159
Ivy as well, so now that that like they don't

2500
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:45,720
have to worry about paying him now over there, like

2501
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,399
that was a whole thing. So I understand what they did,

2502
01:56:48,399 --> 01:56:50,159
but I was kind of bummed. I was hoping they

2503
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:51,920
were going to be the Michael Porter junior team, because

2504
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:53,159
I think he this is the team he would have

2505
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:54,279
made the biggest difference on.

2506
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:58,039
Speaker 3: Totally agree that. I guess that is what I wanted

2507
01:56:58,079 --> 01:57:01,079
to see happen. I can't claim to be disappointed, though,

2508
01:57:01,159 --> 01:57:05,199
because from the jump they were saying they weren't gonna

2509
01:57:05,239 --> 01:57:07,840
go do something like that, And I think if you

2510
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:10,319
if you get out there with that message that early

2511
01:57:10,399 --> 01:57:12,560
and you stick to it as often as the Pistons

2512
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:15,119
do it, it's probably not posturing. And it wasn't so

2513
01:57:15,239 --> 01:57:18,720
like they they did and didn't do exactly what they said.

2514
01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:21,760
I still would like Porter Junior on this team made

2515
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:26,079
a ton of sense to me, and I get it,

2516
01:57:26,119 --> 01:57:29,479
like you, Well, we talked to Jake this morning. He

2517
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:33,079
kind of said, like they think they're ahead of schedule

2518
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,800
and they're cool with it, and they've got guys that

2519
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,560
are gonna need to get paid coming up eventually. So yeah,

2520
01:57:39,319 --> 01:57:43,000
Like and also the urgency. I just like, if you're

2521
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:46,159
this good and you have a pretty clear need, just

2522
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:48,319
address it and like maybe you win the whole thing,

2523
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,479
Like maybe maybe maybe the thunder don't get healthy and

2524
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,039
you just win a title because you traded for Porter Junior,

2525
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:58,840
Like that's they're that good. So I just I would

2526
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:00,880
have pushed the pedal down a little bit. I think

2527
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,039
I don't know what this was, like, maybe the offer

2528
01:58:04,119 --> 01:58:04,960
just wasn't good enough.

2529
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: We see him Malik Beasley come back.

2530
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,720
Speaker 2: I think it's less likely in Detroit now that Kevin

2531
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:11,640
Herder is there, but I guess if he wants to

2532
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:14,079
come back, I'm sure a team will want Malik Beasley.

2533
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:16,880
To your point, though, or I guess to undermine my

2534
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:19,760
own point, let's assume the cost for Michael Porter Junior

2535
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,760
was too high because I kind of viewed as they

2536
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,920
got Kevin Hurder, now you can move Duncan Robinson's step

2537
01:58:25,159 --> 01:58:27,600
while keeping Tobias Harris, that you could do all these things.

2538
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,159
What was Jared Jackson Junior was already moved. They shouldn't

2539
01:58:31,159 --> 01:58:32,359
have given that up for John I don't think he

2540
01:58:32,399 --> 01:58:34,479
was the guy for them Larry Market and then clearly

2541
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:35,199
wasn't gonna get moved.

2542
01:58:35,239 --> 01:58:36,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him give up a ton.

2543
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,840
Speaker 2: I also, again, Trey Murphy doesn't sound like the Pelicans

2544
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:40,000
would have traded him for anything.

2545
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: Where does the It would be fair to.

2546
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 2: Ask, okay, well if Michael, if not Michael Porter Junior,

2547
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:46,399
then who.

2548
01:58:47,239 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, and like it's got to be

2549
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:55,239
a shooter at the four uh, And like I don't know,

2550
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:57,880
are we gonna trade because he's a fourn out? Is

2551
01:58:57,960 --> 01:58:59,039
Klay Thompson that guy?

2552
01:58:59,199 --> 01:58:59,279
Speaker 1: No?

2553
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 3: I don't think though, like I and and that's I

2554
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,920
don't know. I was hoping you wouldn't say Trey Murphy,

2555
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:07,800
so I could say Trey Murphy. But if you're not

2556
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:09,720
giving up what it costs to get Porter Junior, you're

2557
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:11,359
definitely not giving up what it would have cost to

2558
01:59:11,359 --> 01:59:14,600
get Murphy. I don't know. And like, so Buddy heeled

2559
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:16,680
got traded. He's also he's not a four and he

2560
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:20,119
also hasn't made a shot this year. So it's just Hurder. Actually,

2561
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:21,920
the way as we're running through it, Hurder is not

2562
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,239
a bad get right because he can actually play make

2563
01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:28,760
a little bit, and he's he's not he's never quite

2564
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,119
gotten back to what he was of how long a

2565
01:59:31,159 --> 01:59:33,039
man times a flat circle a couple of years ago

2566
01:59:33,079 --> 01:59:36,199
when he really looked like, oh, this guy is a

2567
01:59:36,199 --> 01:59:39,520
fringe starting caliber two on a good in a good offense.

2568
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,399
But maybe he can do that in a smaller role.

2569
01:59:42,439 --> 01:59:45,359
For the Pistons, you sort of you sort of can't

2570
01:59:45,359 --> 01:59:47,479
play him and Duncan Robinson at the same time, ever,

2571
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:49,880
But but maybe you just have a similar one of

2572
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:51,680
them runs hot one of them, doesn't you know, you

2573
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,840
have that guy out there that's going to fill that role.

2574
01:59:54,199 --> 01:59:55,880
But I would have loved to have seen it at

2575
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:57,000
the at a front court spot.

2576
01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just the more I'm thinking about it,

2577
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,880
I'm just like, I don't know who the target would be.

2578
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,840
I don't like Santi al Dama's probably two combo four

2579
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:05,239
or five?

2580
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 1: You know who would he Good'll bring him back now

2581
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:12,600
that he's good again. Jalen Wells probably doesn't give you

2582
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,600
enough shooting, right like, or at least enough guaranteed shooting.

2583
02:00:16,439 --> 02:00:18,159
Speaker 3: And I think he might have been the price might

2584
02:00:18,199 --> 02:00:20,239
have been fairly high for him too. That might have

2585
02:00:20,279 --> 02:00:21,439
been a first Well.

2586
02:00:21,439 --> 02:00:23,359
Speaker 2: I just I saw the messaging that the Grizzlies reviewing

2587
02:00:23,439 --> 02:00:25,680
Zach Edy and Cedric Coward as their core, and I

2588
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:27,279
clocked it as, oh, well, I'm.

2589
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 3: Calling about was wondering what about me?

2590
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Just just to investigate.

2591
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:36,119
Speaker 2: There another team I think we do need to talk about,

2592
02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:37,840
and we kind of glossed over them when we were

2593
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:39,680
talking about DeAndre Hunter.

2594
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:44,039
Speaker 1: The Sacramento Kings. They did move Kean Ellis and Dennis Shooter.

2595
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:46,800
They now have DeAndre Hunter. But some bonus there, Lavin

2596
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:51,159
mayor derozen there, monk there, how are you feeling about

2597
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,600
your Sacramento Kings, Sir.

2598
02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 3: Well we talked about the the Cavs side of it.

2599
02:00:57,039 --> 02:00:59,399
I hate that trade for the Kings. It's so stupid.

2600
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:03,119
I just Hunter, I just don't think does anything. Okay,

2601
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,520
they don't have any big wings and now they do it.

2602
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:09,880
Just Hunter's not playing well. I just don't think he's

2603
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:13,640
worth that contract. I think Ella. This is another one

2604
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:15,760
where it's like, how did you get to this point

2605
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,880
with Ellis, where like, this is what you're doing. You're

2606
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,640
taking on money that goes beyond this year, and it's

2607
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:22,760
like a significant contract for a guy that doesn't make

2608
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:25,640
you a ton better. Yeah, cheeky monkey is right. I

2609
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:28,199
think we're gonna get a DeMar derozen buy out.

2610
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:32,239
Speaker 2: Even with the guaranteed money on his contract next year.

2611
02:01:32,479 --> 02:01:34,439
What's he got guaranteed for next year?

2612
02:01:34,439 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Ten or thirteen? Ten or thirteen in that range.

2613
02:01:37,079 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 3: I thought I saw a rumor that, in addition to

2614
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,399
that just being in my brain, I thought I saw

2615
02:01:43,439 --> 02:01:45,039
a rumor that they were going to look at that.

2616
02:01:46,479 --> 02:01:48,279
But yeah, I don't know. I guess I.

2617
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:51,039
Speaker 2: Guess Rose and buyouts tough is because the team that

2618
02:01:51,079 --> 02:01:54,479
he goes to can't be an Apron team.

2619
02:01:54,359 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 3: Right, Because yeah, no, I don't know. Man, Well, I

2620
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,520
can't remember if I already said that, but this is

2621
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:04,159
another one where you you the Shrewder signing was stupid.

2622
02:02:04,319 --> 02:02:06,479
The way they dealt with Ellis up to this point

2623
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:10,039
was stupid, and so now they're just stuck with we

2624
02:02:10,199 --> 02:02:14,399
gave up. It's just that it got to this point.

2625
02:02:15,039 --> 02:02:19,319
Is the problem as a more so than just maybe

2626
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:21,199
Hunter plays well for them. I don't know, it would

2627
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:22,920
be hard for him to play very much worse than

2628
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:26,279
he than he had for the Cavs this season, but

2629
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:30,159
just the series of decisions that got to this point.

2630
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,079
Speaker 1: Or the part of the issue, and can we go

2631
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:35,359
through it because it's this regime, the current I mean,

2632
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,159
the background of DVE is responsible for everything regardless.

2633
02:02:38,399 --> 02:02:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shrewder's a Perry guy, like Perry made happen.

2634
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 2: This is this is just that We'll focus on three

2635
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:48,399
or four decisions. Not declining Ellis's team option to make

2636
02:02:48,439 --> 02:02:52,439
him a restricted free agent mistake One. They then flipped

2637
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,840
Jonus Valentchunis, who was really good for them, for Darry

2638
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,840
or Sharich who was really bad for them and required

2639
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:01,239
a second round pick to get off, so that they

2640
02:03:01,279 --> 02:03:03,520
could create the flexibility.

2641
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:06,439
Speaker 3: To sign who Grant One, Dennis Shrouder.

2642
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:11,399
Speaker 1: This fucking franchise is incapable of doing anything that makes

2643
02:03:11,439 --> 02:03:13,560
sense for more than a minute or a season at

2644
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:16,399
a time. And now you're sitting here and it's I

2645
02:03:16,399 --> 02:03:18,079
don't know what the path to a teardown is. I

2646
02:03:18,119 --> 02:03:19,960
don't know what the path to like this needs to be.

2647
02:03:20,079 --> 02:03:21,840
There's not go ahead.

2648
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 3: The path is not adding DeAndre Hunter. That's not a

2649
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,840
teardown move. That's a let's fill this need move so

2650
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,880
we can win twenty six games instead of twenty four.

2651
02:03:31,039 --> 02:03:33,439
Speaker 1: Well that, but did they give up?

2652
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 2: Because it's would you have rather of them kept Shrewder

2653
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:36,960
and let Elis leave?

2654
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:39,319
Speaker 1: Is my like this?

2655
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:43,520
Speaker 3: That's the problem is that my frustration is more from

2656
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:47,479
like just well one and Kings fans are will never

2657
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,199
get to the bottom of like why weren't you playing Ellis?

2658
02:03:50,199 --> 02:03:52,720
More like why wasn't Ellis just a bigger part of

2659
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:58,399
this team from the jump? Nobody's ever gonna know. Uh yeah,

2660
02:03:58,479 --> 02:04:01,000
so yeah, okay, let's go down the altar an alternate path.

2661
02:04:01,039 --> 02:04:03,520
You just hold on to Shrewder and Ellis. Maybe you

2662
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:06,199
maybe you lose Ellison free agency. We pile on the

2663
02:04:06,279 --> 02:04:07,039
Kings for that.

2664
02:04:07,479 --> 02:04:13,479
Speaker 1: Right again, what basically excited Hunter? Get Murray? Hell?

2665
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Kegan's been hurt for most of the Uh yeah,

2666
02:04:19,479 --> 02:04:22,520
I don't know how could the Kings have looked better?

2667
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:25,239
How could they have come out better? Not just not

2668
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:26,520
not trading Hunt for Hunter?

2669
02:04:27,159 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 1: Well, so it's not that it'll be easy to do this,

2670
02:04:31,039 --> 02:04:33,600
but you could make the case that what you should

2671
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:36,520
make the case after all their moves? Did you? I'm

2672
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:37,199
sure you knew this.

2673
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 2: They're a tax team next year, they are, so now

2674
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:43,399
you're gonna have to shave money at some point, which

2675
02:04:43,399 --> 02:04:45,279
is probably why you're gonna go to DeMar de Rosen

2676
02:04:45,359 --> 02:04:49,439
buyout route, or if I'm DeMar de Rosen, fuck them,

2677
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,880
I'm just gonna stick it out because they're gonna pay

2678
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,079
me my money to go away and you'll just be

2679
02:04:54,119 --> 02:04:54,840
a free agent.

2680
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:56,439
Speaker 1: Next summer versus right, Like, just tough it out at

2681
02:04:56,439 --> 02:04:58,880
this point, dude, you know how.

2682
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:01,079
Speaker 2: We could know that the King are the biggest hell

2683
02:05:01,159 --> 02:05:04,720
hole in maybe the history of professional sports. If Zach Lavine,

2684
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:06,960
of all people, just declines his player options, it's like,

2685
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,239
fuck you, I don't want my fifty million dollars, get

2686
02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:10,000
me out of here.

2687
02:05:10,319 --> 02:05:15,399
Speaker 3: I mean, what a litmus test, just like and can

2688
02:05:15,439 --> 02:05:16,159
we root for it?

2689
02:05:16,199 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be the just the funniest thing of all

2690
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:21,359
the torn because I feel like the king should have

2691
02:05:21,439 --> 02:05:23,960
to pay for their the vec around D. They should

2692
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:25,640
have to bank roll this.

2693
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:30,159
Speaker 3: No, the scorn, just this, the embarrassment would be so

2694
02:05:30,359 --> 02:05:32,920
worth it. If he's just like, you know what, guys,

2695
02:05:33,359 --> 02:05:36,000
I don't need this money this badly. I would like

2696
02:05:36,079 --> 02:05:36,960
to leave now. Please.

2697
02:05:37,039 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 1: I will default to whatever Kings fans want to see

2698
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:40,600
happen in that scenario.

2699
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,199
Speaker 3: How's that they've been through enough? They've been through.

2700
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:46,079
Speaker 2: We are very close to having talked about every team.

2701
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:49,159
Let's continue the lightning round the Toronto Raptors.

2702
02:05:49,239 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 1: They got TJ D. Your guy, that's an egg. They

2703
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:53,520
dump o chaiak Baji.

2704
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Took a twenty thirty two second round pick to do

2705
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:57,600
so that was a little bit, uh Like, I like

2706
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:00,000
ochak Baji is a defender offenses all over the place.

2707
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:02,760
Were you surprised just based off the reporting on the

2708
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,319
all the bigs that they were linked to, that they

2709
02:06:05,359 --> 02:06:07,039
didn't make a bigger move or do you look at

2710
02:06:07,039 --> 02:06:11,600
this team and say, I mean, for a team that's

2711
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:14,079
so high up in the Eastern Conference standings, and I,

2712
02:06:14,279 --> 02:06:17,560
like so many of the individual players, I feel very

2713
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:19,920
not great about there.

2714
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:23,680
Speaker 1: I'll say, what's the word we invented? Confuzzled, confused, puzzled.

2715
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:26,119
I'm confuzzled about their direction.

2716
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:30,239
Speaker 3: I guess who was the big that they were rumored

2717
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:34,680
to get that you had like no notes on because

2718
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:37,000
it wasn't some bonus. We talked about that a little bit.

2719
02:06:37,039 --> 02:06:39,479
It's like, that's not Yeah, I could see it. There's

2720
02:06:39,479 --> 02:06:42,199
some value adds, like as an offensive hub and maybe

2721
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:44,920
he'll shoot more threes or maybe just the low volume

2722
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:48,359
works because it's it's accurate. But didn't love the fit

2723
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:49,159
and that would have.

2724
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 1: Would you have done?

2725
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:53,239
Speaker 2: It would have had to have been I think this

2726
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,600
the Hawks wouldn't have wanted Perl, I don't think, but RJ.

2727
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:58,479
Speaker 1: Barrett for KP? Would you have done that?

2728
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:01,720
Speaker 3: Hmm. That's interesting thing. You get a lot of push back,

2729
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,760
you get a lot of like, you know, actually Barrett's

2730
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,039
really valuable for them, and it's kind of stilly that

2731
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:08,199
they that he's like the trade ship that always gets

2732
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:11,560
thrown out there. KP is that that would have been

2733
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:14,279
a fit at least where I'm like, yep, makes sense.

2734
02:07:14,439 --> 02:07:16,760
But then is how much is he gonna play? That's

2735
02:07:17,159 --> 02:07:20,199
so that's better than Sabonis. But I never heard that.

2736
02:07:20,279 --> 02:07:22,840
Did you hear that rumored kp to to the Raptors.

2737
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:23,720
I guess, oh, no, I was.

2738
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:26,439
Speaker 2: I'm assuming the way they were turning over rocks for

2739
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:28,680
big men, it felt like, yeah, linked to Claxton or

2740
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:30,640
Sharp at one point they were never linked yet Chikyu,

2741
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:32,840
that's a good point any here in the Zubats each

2742
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:33,920
matter with the Raptors.

2743
02:07:34,439 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 3: I mean, that would have been better than Sabonis, I think,

2744
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:39,479
But but I guess, I guess, I'm I'm not.

2745
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:47,319
Speaker 1: He's a floor spacer. I say, Razor, Well, well, have

2746
02:07:47,439 --> 02:07:49,359
you seen like some of the on off data with

2747
02:07:49,439 --> 02:07:51,279
him for the Kings this year? He makes them better?

2748
02:07:52,119 --> 02:08:01,840
Speaker 3: Oh congrats from no I. I I I do agree that. Uh,

2749
02:08:02,439 --> 02:08:04,520
it felt like they needed a piece. I just don't

2750
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,399
think the right one was out there, at least not

2751
02:08:06,439 --> 02:08:08,680
one that was like that it got tied to them

2752
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:13,279
in any kind of serious way. Plus, like Yaka Purtle forever,

2753
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:16,479
he's gonna be there, you know what. They're an extension

2754
02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:19,359
negotiations with him right now.

2755
02:08:20,199 --> 02:08:23,319
Speaker 2: Another team, Portland. They got Vi Crachi, so they win

2756
02:08:23,319 --> 02:08:24,000
the trade deadline.

2757
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:25,439
Speaker 1: It cost them, but.

2758
02:08:25,399 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 3: They Yeah, they lost Duprez, so they lose the trade deadline.

2759
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,079
Speaker 1: This is what's the equivalent of a like a social

2760
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,399
Sophie's choice, But it's just like a moral like is

2761
02:08:34,399 --> 02:08:35,359
that the moral dilemma?

2762
02:08:35,399 --> 02:08:37,279
Speaker 2: Because I'm not picking between two things. I just don't

2763
02:08:37,279 --> 02:08:40,239
know how to feel. Because we got it's the it's

2764
02:08:40,279 --> 02:08:42,760
the thanos. How much did it cost me? Like we

2765
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:44,880
got fit crazy? But what did it cost everything?

2766
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,960
Speaker 3: What is it like like a pyrrhic victory? Like you won,

2767
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:50,640
but you you burned down the whole town to win?

2768
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:52,760
So did you or something like that? So did you

2769
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,039
really win something? Somewhere in there, it's too late to

2770
02:08:56,039 --> 02:08:59,159
come up with the the proper analogy exists, just neither

2771
02:08:59,159 --> 02:09:00,119
of us is going to get there.

2772
02:09:00,039 --> 02:09:00,479
Speaker 1: At this point.

2773
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's after one am by time, I

2774
02:09:02,479 --> 02:09:06,239
am tired. Here's the thing with Portland at the VIC Crazie's.

2775
02:09:06,279 --> 02:09:08,199
I think that was just sneaky good move for.

2776
02:09:08,119 --> 02:09:09,720
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm really not.

2777
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:11,439
Speaker 2: I mean I did kind of want them to just

2778
02:09:11,479 --> 02:09:13,640
be the honest team would have been hysterical because they

2779
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:14,960
have the two swaps.

2780
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 3: In the pickolved get involved in.

2781
02:09:17,279 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 2: I really wanted them to get more shooting on this day,

2782
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:20,800
and Vic Crazie does it.

2783
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:22,479
Speaker 1: Let's see how much he plays.

2784
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 2: But this team is so on the nights that they

2785
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:27,079
are on, they are so fun to watch, and I

2786
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:30,680
just find myself saying I would probably like another playmaker

2787
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:32,600
or too, like what is going on with Scoot Henderson

2788
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:33,079
type deal?

2789
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna play. You see that he's coming back.

2790
02:09:36,199 --> 02:09:39,199
I did not yep, did he come He came back already. No,

2791
02:09:39,319 --> 02:09:42,840
he's coming back. I want to say it's like their

2792
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,560
next game, but it might also be after the break.

2793
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,479
But it's he like there's a there's a timeline. It's

2794
02:09:48,520 --> 02:09:50,439
gonna happen. I think I think it's sooner. I think

2795
02:09:50,479 --> 02:09:52,319
it's the sooner of the two options I gave you.

2796
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 2: So hey, he's making his debut on Friday. That's all right,

2797
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:59,239
So okay, just get shooting on this team. I beg

2798
02:09:59,279 --> 02:10:01,279
you would have been so. I really would have liked

2799
02:10:01,319 --> 02:10:04,720
to have seen Robert Williams on a team that might

2800
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:08,600
have needed him more. I don't have complaints about I understand, like,

2801
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,840
why did you did? I want them to go all in,

2802
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:13,760
but they would have been a team where it's sneaky

2803
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:16,039
like Michael Porter Junior might have made some sense here,

2804
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:18,439
Trey Murphy, that would have been a fun I liked

2805
02:10:18,439 --> 02:10:20,920
them as the I like the Jazz more than them,

2806
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:23,119
I think, but they were another Jaron Jackson junior team

2807
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:23,840
that could have been fun.

2808
02:10:24,279 --> 02:10:24,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

2809
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 1: That. They and the.

2810
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:28,479
Speaker 2: Hornets, I think are the teams that are like, they're

2811
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:29,880
kind of caught in the middle.

2812
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,079
Speaker 1: I want to see them like just go bonkers over

2813
02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:33,319
the off.

2814
02:10:33,439 --> 02:10:35,640
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, they're very much like the Jazz where it's

2815
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:37,960
like you get the right one more piece there and

2816
02:10:38,039 --> 02:10:40,840
suddenly the outlook is very very different. But they can

2817
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:43,319
still get it. I mean they got those Bucks picks.

2818
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:46,600
Guess what, once we're back doing this statist circle all

2819
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:48,800
the way back two hours ago, once we're doing the

2820
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:52,479
whole Honis dance again, the Blazers should enter the chat

2821
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:56,199
and just see, hey, fellas, can we facilitate something like

2822
02:10:56,399 --> 02:10:58,399
because those the swaps and the picks they have are

2823
02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:01,720
gonna gonna be valuable. They're going to be valuable at

2824
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:02,079
some point.

2825
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:06,319
Speaker 1: Miami is the We're on the teams that did nothing.

2826
02:11:06,399 --> 02:11:09,119
There were only three of them. Oha.

2827
02:11:09,439 --> 02:11:12,680
Speaker 2: Miami was the only team in the Eastern Conference to

2828
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:13,199
do nothing.

2829
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 1: How do you feel about what?

2830
02:11:17,279 --> 02:11:21,119
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, they were in on Giannis in so far

2831
02:11:21,159 --> 02:11:23,439
as anyone was in, they were never going to have

2832
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:24,960
a good enough offer.

2833
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:28,880
Speaker 2: So to be fair, they might have had the best

2834
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:31,039
or the second best offer, which is why you don't

2835
02:11:31,079 --> 02:11:32,239
trade honest right now?

2836
02:11:32,399 --> 02:11:35,159
Speaker 3: Like that, Well, we yn't right exactly, they didn't have

2837
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:38,319
a The offers were insufficient, I guess for the Bucks.

2838
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:40,760
So I don't know what would we have wanted them

2839
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,920
to do. I know we did a whole preview on

2840
02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:47,079
I move Tyler Hero so they don't have to pay him.

2841
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:48,479
I don't know what was the market going to be

2842
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:50,800
for Tyler Hero or so you don't have to extend him.

2843
02:11:51,399 --> 02:11:54,680
Speaker 1: They're kind of just in, like consolidate or get off

2844
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:55,079
the pot.

2845
02:11:55,199 --> 02:11:57,560
Speaker 3: At this point, Well, they they've got the twenty seven

2846
02:11:57,680 --> 02:12:01,760
cap Space dreams and they've got at the Yannis aspirations too,

2847
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:02,399
So it's like.

2848
02:12:03,359 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 2: What at what point do we still like do we

2849
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,640
just say the Lakers in the heat of the teams

2850
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:09,439
where it's oh, they're planning for cap Space and we're

2851
02:12:09,439 --> 02:12:09,960
okay with that.

2852
02:12:10,159 --> 02:12:12,359
Speaker 3: I was gonna say they're one of a very select

2853
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:15,640
they might be one of two teams that I think

2854
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:18,560
we can still like with a straight face say well,

2855
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:22,960
they're carbon out cap space. But but that with the

2856
02:12:23,039 --> 02:12:25,600
Yannis designs that they have, I think it's like, all right,

2857
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:26,760
I get it, you want to.

2858
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have four first round picks this summer

2859
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:30,880
plus kohlil ware.

2860
02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:35,199
Speaker 2: Is that if you're actually evaluating Yannis offers, is that

2861
02:12:35,399 --> 02:12:36,279
a real offer?

2862
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:42,079
Speaker 3: I would like to think that the Bucks can still

2863
02:12:42,119 --> 02:12:46,960
do better than that, but maybe not. I mean, the

2864
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:48,960
Warriors had four on the table and it was like

2865
02:12:49,039 --> 02:12:53,680
Pods and Kaminga and Draymond. That your miles may vary

2866
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:57,039
on which one of those is better, I guess, But yeah,

2867
02:12:57,680 --> 02:12:59,199
I'm sure they'll throw that out there. I don't know

2868
02:12:59,239 --> 02:13:00,720
if I don't know if it'll be enough by then

2869
02:13:00,920 --> 02:13:03,000
everybody else's offers get better.

2870
02:13:03,439 --> 02:13:06,359
Speaker 2: But then what are they left with because now you're

2871
02:13:06,359 --> 02:13:09,079
losing Terry Rose years matching salary over the offseason. Did

2872
02:13:09,079 --> 02:13:10,760
over Norman Powell if he was going to be part

2873
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:14,920
of that trade. So it's hero where make the money work?

2874
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:16,920
With everyone who's not named Bam? You have no picks,

2875
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:19,880
and it's Janni's Bam and Paula Larson.

2876
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:22,399
Speaker 3: Well he has Wiggans probably going out as matching salary

2877
02:13:22,439 --> 02:13:23,680
in that one player option.

2878
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:26,079
Speaker 1: Is he even still like around like an he.

2879
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:29,239
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you've got Wiggans back on like a multi

2880
02:13:29,319 --> 02:13:31,560
year deal for less than thirty or who knows, well,

2881
02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:34,479
actually probably not. No, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

2882
02:13:35,319 --> 02:13:38,279
I want to try to guess. Well, the Spurs, the

2883
02:13:38,279 --> 02:13:40,239
Spurs didn't do anything, So that's one of the worst.

2884
02:13:40,119 --> 02:13:41,239
Speaker 1: WI should make you mad.

2885
02:13:41,439 --> 02:13:43,560
Speaker 3: You were a little bit you were you.

2886
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 1: Wanted them to do something.

2887
02:13:45,039 --> 02:13:49,039
Speaker 3: They're yeah, they were, well they like anytime we brought

2888
02:13:49,119 --> 02:13:52,159
up any interesting big name of the Spurs were always

2889
02:13:52,199 --> 02:13:55,920
my favorite spot that from Giannis to market in to

2890
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:59,119
to MPJ, to Trey Murphy to like you name it,

2891
02:13:59,239 --> 02:14:03,680
just because I Wemby allows you to kind of build

2892
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,600
whatever you want. And I love Castle and Harper and

2893
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,000
I would love to see more shooting around them, and

2894
02:14:09,079 --> 02:14:11,159
some of the guys that happened to potentially kind of

2895
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:14,119
sort of maybe be available, like Murphy and MPJ could shoot.

2896
02:14:14,479 --> 02:14:18,079
So I just I wanted I wanted to see something

2897
02:14:18,319 --> 02:14:21,239
even more interesting happening in San Antonio that's already happening.

2898
02:14:21,359 --> 02:14:23,159
Although I did want it both ways because I wanted

2899
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,000
them to keep the Castle on Harper in the process,

2900
02:14:26,039 --> 02:14:29,720
and that's I don't know how that works. I they

2901
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:31,760
they should have traded Fox, or they shouldn't have given

2902
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:34,960
Fox that point, or at some point I want Castle

2903
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,319
and Harper as my guards. That Fox Fox.

2904
02:14:37,479 --> 02:14:40,319
Speaker 1: Happens when you podcast after ten pm Pacific times.

2905
02:14:40,359 --> 02:14:42,800
Speaker 3: You just think I've been pretty consistent that I thought that.

2906
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:45,640
I think like Fox is nice, but I think been

2907
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:48,920
their second best offensive player so far. I think I

2908
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,880
think Castle Harper want to be better.

2909
02:14:51,119 --> 02:14:53,960
Speaker 1: I think they're sorry, hold on, hold on. You wanted

2910
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:57,399
them to make a win now trade because it would

2911
02:14:57,399 --> 02:14:59,800
elevate their status as contenders, But you're sitting.

2912
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:02,880
Speaker 3: There argument it's a separate argument. I think Fox is

2913
02:15:03,239 --> 02:15:09,600
I think Fox. If Fox could be your third best player,

2914
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:12,560
I think your pretty good shape as like a oh

2915
02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:15,039
they could win a title, but right now he's their

2916
02:15:15,079 --> 02:15:17,279
second best player. That's not good enough. By the time

2917
02:15:17,359 --> 02:15:20,079
that dynamic flips where it's either Harper or Castle and

2918
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:22,720
not him, then is like he'll be a little too old.

2919
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:25,079
It just the fit is imperfect to me. Why are

2920
02:15:25,079 --> 02:15:27,239
we talking about this because.

2921
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:31,039
Speaker 2: I started one of your most cognitively dissonant takes of

2922
02:15:31,079 --> 02:15:33,159
all time where it's they needed to make a move

2923
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:35,119
to be a contender, But why wouldn't they just trade

2924
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:37,840
Fox regardless to let no Harper and stuff develop.

2925
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,800
Speaker 3: It's well, for one, it's trade deadline day. I'm real tired,

2926
02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:45,479
little punch ye. As I said at the top, uh no,

2927
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:48,119
I guess maybe I should amend that to say Fox

2928
02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:50,520
has always felt like I haven't loved to fit there

2929
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:53,199
and that and that's that's because I think Harper and

2930
02:15:53,239 --> 02:15:55,359
Castle are your guys. Now maybe all three can play

2931
02:15:55,399 --> 02:15:58,720
together eventually, but both of them came off the bench

2932
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:01,119
tonight because you got Viselle back healthy, and so it's

2933
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:03,159
Viscell and Fox starting over the guys.

2934
02:16:03,199 --> 02:16:06,199
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just don't understand why they didn't trade Webby

2935
02:16:06,319 --> 02:16:09,399
so that Steph Castle untilon harbor, but they could develop,

2936
02:16:11,439 --> 02:16:14,760
so we have one more team to hit that. It's

2937
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,039
the third team that did nothing. Who's the one team

2938
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:18,359
we have not talked about?

2939
02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:21,039
Speaker 1: Uh oh uh.

2940
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:26,319
Speaker 3: No, Phoenix, Phoenix did something. It's just gonna be dead

2941
02:16:26,359 --> 02:16:27,520
silence while I think.

2942
02:16:27,399 --> 02:16:29,960
Speaker 1: Oh uh, we didn't. I'm sorry we didn't talk about Phoenix.

2943
02:16:30,039 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 3: Let's do that really quick well that was a Nick

2944
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:32,520
Richards right.

2945
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:34,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they ducked the tacks.

2946
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:38,639
Speaker 2: Well super, I mean they're just a I was if

2947
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:41,799
they could have done something, where been the Zion team?

2948
02:16:42,159 --> 02:16:44,239
If the Pelicans weren't looking for picks, I would have

2949
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:47,280
their fans seem to have been against that. You can't

2950
02:16:47,479 --> 02:16:50,319
after living through the past two or three years, fuck

2951
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:51,639
with the vibes of this team.

2952
02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:52,920
Speaker 1: It's the Sun.

2953
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:56,200
Speaker 3: Should have split up all their remaining picks into three

2954
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:59,840
different picks and just really up their asset.

2955
02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:02,559
Speaker 2: Uh, or you should have horror crossed. They should have

2956
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:05,479
swapped the swapped of the already swap. We I'm sorry,

2957
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:08,159
I'm for kind of eliminating. Would you be all for

2958
02:17:08,159 --> 02:17:10,959
eliminating swaps altogether? Or can at least be one swap?

2959
02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:14,319
I can't deal with these multi dimensional swaps.

2960
02:17:14,399 --> 02:17:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh once the piggest swap that cannot be re swapped

2961
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,639
or forwarded in a future. Yeah, I like, I want

2962
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:23,120
that because I don't like you get the middle too

2963
02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:27,879
of Minnesota, Milk, Cleveland, Portland, and like, I don't like

2964
02:17:27,959 --> 02:17:31,879
those are the two least favorable. I agree, simplify it

2965
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:33,760
is Houston the other team.

2966
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:36,040
Speaker 2: Houston's the other team because they didn't. I don't the

2967
02:17:36,159 --> 02:17:37,600
sum shouldn't have done. It would have been nice to

2968
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:40,239
see to maybe get more front court scoring. But the

2969
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:44,680
vibes that team are immaculate. The vibes in Houston not

2970
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:45,159
so much.

2971
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:48,520
Speaker 3: You're really fated on Udoka going in on singer no

2972
02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:49,200
no no.

2973
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:51,280
Speaker 1: I was fixated. I don't.

2974
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:54,719
Speaker 2: I not that I defer to fan bases, but I'm

2975
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:57,200
I normally recognize that if you're a fan of the

2976
02:17:57,239 --> 02:18:00,920
Houston Rockets, the odds are overwhelming good that you've watched

2977
02:18:00,959 --> 02:18:03,639
more of the Houston Rockets than me. The number of

2978
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:06,440
Houston Rockets fans that think that they needed a big

2979
02:18:07,079 --> 02:18:10,520
like after the Steven Adams injury, I like in defense,

2980
02:18:10,879 --> 02:18:13,520
I really think the offense is a bigger problem. When

2981
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:16,319
I'm looking at them through a postseason lens, I'm more

2982
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:17,680
worried about the offense.

2983
02:18:18,159 --> 02:18:21,680
Speaker 3: I completely agree, completely agree that that's the first thing

2984
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:24,280
that jumps in. Maybe I've seen the wrong games, but

2985
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:27,559
that's what I think. That's that's pretty clear to me.

2986
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:32,479
Speaker 2: And so I love Reied Shepherd and you have Kevin Durant,

2987
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:35,040
but Alprin jeng Gun I was all on the Alprin

2988
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:37,200
Shangoon train to start the season, like that's been someone

2989
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:41,040
who's fallen off a little bit. They just they needed something,

2990
02:18:41,079 --> 02:18:43,559
another half court creator or just someone else to open

2991
02:18:43,639 --> 02:18:47,159
up the floor a ton and I wanted I thought

2992
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,319
they look if you wanted them to get a big

2993
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:51,680
they didn't do that either. So them doing nothing at

2994
02:18:51,680 --> 02:18:54,840
the trade deadline, that feels like, I don't know if

2995
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:57,559
it's a missed opportunity. They were so close to the

2996
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:00,440
hard cap, but I I.

2997
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:01,799
Speaker 1: Don't know if I was surprise. I actually I guess

2998
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:03,399
I was a little surprised that they did nothing because

2999
02:19:03,399 --> 02:19:04,719
I think they needed to do something.

3000
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I I just this isn't

3001
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:14,399
really a trade deadline conversation. But like I think the

3002
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:19,319
Amen Thompson Shanngoon, really it's about Thompson. I think if

3003
02:19:19,319 --> 02:19:22,319
Thompson's gonna have a big offensive role, like you're just

3004
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:24,600
kind of hamstrung in a lot of I can't get

3005
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:26,360
that Spurs game out of my mind a couple of

3006
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:29,440
weeks ago, where they like the Spurs just solved him

3007
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:31,639
in the second half by putting Wemby on Thompson and

3008
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:33,600
Tom and he just ignored him like he didn't have

3009
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,600
to do it. He got to roam. And I think

3010
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:38,479
any good team, not everybody has Wemby news flash, but

3011
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:41,360
like any smart team is gonna give similar treatment to

3012
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:43,399
the Rockets, and the offense is just going to be

3013
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:47,159
very difficult to execute. So them not going and doing

3014
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:50,000
something to improve the offense, it's not easy. But like

3015
02:19:50,680 --> 02:19:54,079
a shooter a playmaker like it wouldn't have where were

3016
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:56,799
they on I don't know, on Kobe White or something

3017
02:19:56,840 --> 02:20:01,319
of like that tier of move Because I agree with you.

3018
02:20:01,399 --> 02:20:03,440
I think it's the offense. I think that's the issue.

3019
02:20:04,399 --> 02:20:07,200
Speaker 2: Can I give you my after it's about one thirty am.

3020
02:20:07,239 --> 02:20:10,680
Here take is if you could have done some sort

3021
02:20:10,680 --> 02:20:13,760
of a swap, maybe it's Amen Thompson and salary for

3022
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:15,319
Trey Murphy and Herb Jones.

3023
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:17,239
Speaker 1: I think this team would have been better. Is better off?

3024
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,680
Are they better Bettery Murphy instead of Amen Thompson.

3025
02:20:22,719 --> 02:20:25,559
Speaker 3: If you were giving me both Herb and Murphy, I

3026
02:20:25,559 --> 02:20:27,680
would say they're definitely better today, but I would have

3027
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:30,879
couched it in Like but if Thompson ever figures out

3028
02:20:30,959 --> 02:20:34,360
how to shoot, then it's real scary because Thompson's great

3029
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:35,159
at everything else.

3030
02:20:35,479 --> 02:20:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and you will obliterate your on ball If

3031
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:42,159
if it's just Trey Murphy, you've obliterated your You still

3032
02:20:42,159 --> 02:20:44,959
have Tari's and Dory Finney Smith, but you'll obliterate your

3033
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:48,920
on ball defense fundamentally changes the identity of your team.

3034
02:20:49,399 --> 02:20:51,840
And and maybe too early for that, maybe you give

3035
02:20:51,879 --> 02:20:52,799
Thompson another.

3036
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:56,760
Speaker 3: Year before you get drastic. But yeah, I would, I would.

3037
02:20:56,879 --> 02:20:58,120
I would have that conversation.

3038
02:20:58,920 --> 02:21:02,920
Speaker 1: But put it that way, which is maybe that's just

3039
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:04,520
my f maybe that's just my late night take.

3040
02:21:04,559 --> 02:21:06,040
Speaker 2: Here, do we have anything else? Let me look at

3041
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:09,600
these comments. It's from Cheeky Monkey's interesting. With the new CBA,

3042
02:21:09,639 --> 02:21:11,319
it will be interesting to see the buyout market. I

3043
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:12,520
think it's gonna be juicier.

3044
02:21:13,239 --> 02:21:15,639
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm torn on that, just because of the

3045
02:21:15,639 --> 02:21:17,760
way that some of the good teams might not be

3046
02:21:17,799 --> 02:21:20,280
able to sign some of the best players who were

3047
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:22,479
on the buyout.

3048
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:24,159
Speaker 2: Market if they're making more than the mid level. And

3049
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,520
if you're going on the buyout market, you're losing your

3050
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:29,360
bird rights, and so you would want to presumably want

3051
02:21:29,399 --> 02:21:31,319
to be able to go to It's not I'm gonna

3052
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:33,559
go on the buyout market so I can sign with

3053
02:21:33,559 --> 02:21:35,760
the Bulls or the Kid.

3054
02:21:35,879 --> 02:21:39,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know how much

3055
02:21:39,239 --> 02:21:41,959
the new CBA is. It's affecting a lot of things.

3056
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:44,719
I don't know if if the buyout market is I

3057
02:21:44,760 --> 02:21:47,120
don't know if making the buyout market more interesting is

3058
02:21:47,159 --> 02:21:50,159
one of them, right, Like, just because of what you

3059
02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:51,239
just went through.

3060
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have any other notes on this trade that

3061
02:21:54,360 --> 02:21:57,760
a lone aside from it just being absolutely insane? Did

3062
02:21:57,799 --> 02:22:00,879
you have a favorite what was your favorite move or

3063
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:02,559
you think was the best move or the move that

3064
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:04,639
doesn't isn't getting enough credit at me?

3065
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,079
Speaker 3: That's well, I don't. I'm trying to think.

3066
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't.

3067
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:11,879
Speaker 3: Nothing was like, oh my god, what a heist? Like,

3068
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,000
I don't. I'm trying to think if there was anything

3069
02:22:14,040 --> 02:22:17,360
as I'm scrolling back through it now that like really

3070
02:22:17,440 --> 02:22:20,399
jumped out as like some just unequivocal win for a

3071
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:22,920
team or so something that made me think the way

3072
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:26,000
that I thought when the Hawks got that pick from

3073
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:29,040
the Pelicans on Draft night, for example, like that, There's nothing.

3074
02:22:29,559 --> 02:22:32,440
I think the most interesting trade is probably the Garland

3075
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:34,879
Harden trade just and when we talked about it for

3076
02:22:34,920 --> 02:22:38,079
quite a while, I guess I have more of a

3077
02:22:38,120 --> 02:22:42,159
macro some macro thoughts to close, but maybe you what

3078
02:22:42,239 --> 02:22:42,879
do you have? What?

3079
02:22:42,879 --> 02:22:43,319
Speaker 1: What?

3080
02:22:43,319 --> 02:22:44,280
Speaker 3: What was your favorite?

3081
02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:49,559
Speaker 2: I still, honestly I'm fascinated by the Utah Washington Wizards

3082
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:51,399
of it all. I think more so with Utah just

3083
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:54,440
because I think they're ceiling even in the Western Conference,

3084
02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:58,120
is immediately higher well next looking at next season. That

3085
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:01,000
I've I've loved it, but it's also something that I

3086
02:23:01,079 --> 02:23:03,079
recognize I could be wrong, and so it piques my

3087
02:23:03,159 --> 02:23:06,639
curiosity even I've loved I loved what the Jazz did.

3088
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they tie into what I will remember

3089
02:23:11,399 --> 02:23:14,559
this trade deadline for, which is two teams at the

3090
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:18,760
bottom of the standings, the Jazz and the Wizards, different

3091
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:22,680
types of like win now swings, but like really like

3092
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:26,120
those those weren't those aren't the kinds of trades we've

3093
02:23:26,159 --> 02:23:30,360
seen in recent deadlines where it's just well, we're really bad,

3094
02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:32,799
We're just gonna build through the draft, because that that's

3095
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:37,159
the model that I think we've we've collectively decided like

3096
02:23:37,239 --> 02:23:40,559
that's the correct way to do it, right, and and

3097
02:23:40,639 --> 02:23:44,120
I like a bit of a shakeup in that. Uh

3098
02:23:44,879 --> 02:23:46,879
what they're a little different because the Washington one is

3099
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:49,799
like holy shit, like you're gonna get these distressed assets

3100
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:51,559
and like throw them as bookends around these.

3101
02:23:52,239 --> 02:23:55,520
Speaker 1: They just like, what is It's never happened?

3102
02:23:55,559 --> 02:23:58,399
Speaker 2: There's this has to be When is a team ever

3103
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:01,719
traded for that much much money in just two players,

3104
02:24:01,879 --> 02:24:03,239
like one hundred million dollars and.

3105
02:24:03,319 --> 02:24:07,600
Speaker 3: Giving up a first basically uh one nothing.

3106
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:10,959
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if we had a bet right now, does

3107
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:13,799
the Warriors pick convey? I'm gonna say no, I don't

3108
02:24:13,799 --> 02:24:14,959
think so.

3109
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:18,399
Speaker 3: That's what that That's what I'll remember it for, is

3110
02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:21,760
is that, like I think maybe we're getting some little

3111
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:26,040
hints about like what is now the acceptable length for

3112
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:29,200
a rebuild before we just like floor it or like

3113
02:24:29,319 --> 02:24:33,079
do something pretty interesting like what I don't think I

3114
02:24:33,079 --> 02:24:36,200
guess what my what my takeaway will be is that

3115
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:40,239
I think teams appetites for just continuing to pile up

3116
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:43,719
young guys and hoping one hits and doing nothing else.

3117
02:24:44,159 --> 02:24:47,239
I think I think that's diminished, and I think there's

3118
02:24:47,399 --> 02:24:50,840
more of an appetite for let's get it, let's get

3119
02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:53,520
some guys and and and that doesn't mean we have

3120
02:24:53,559 --> 02:24:55,399
to trade away our young players, but it means we

3121
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:57,680
just put them in smaller roles until they prove they're

3122
02:24:57,719 --> 02:24:59,920
ready or not, and in the meantime we win games.

3123
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:03,440
So I think maybe that's what I'll take away. It's

3124
02:25:03,719 --> 02:25:05,040
kind of a take.

3125
02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:07,879
Speaker 1: That's definitely an offshoot of the flat and lottery odds.

3126
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:10,000
Speaker 2: Right, because you have a team, oh like the Wizards

3127
02:25:10,079 --> 02:25:12,399
or the Jazz, who have not gotten the type of

3128
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:14,719
player that you would want spending the years in there,

3129
02:25:14,799 --> 02:25:18,040
like maybe it's Sar in Washington. I'm not trying to

3130
02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:20,600
devalue those guys, but I think it's a byproduct a

3131
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:22,799
little bit of the flatt and lottery odds. However, the

3132
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:24,959
thing I am tracking, I also think there was a

3133
02:25:25,079 --> 02:25:29,639
unique opportunism here because my big picture takeaway is we

3134
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:32,280
look at and I actually hate I think it's gone

3135
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:36,600
too far as we now look at, like the bar

3136
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:40,680
for what constitutes not a toxic contract feels like it's

3137
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:44,840
been raised because it feels like there's no truly terrible

3138
02:25:44,879 --> 02:25:46,879
deals in the league because for the most part, unless

3139
02:25:46,879 --> 02:25:49,879
you're Yaka Pertle, they're also short. But now we're getting

3140
02:25:49,879 --> 02:25:52,959
to a point where these big money contracts, I guess

3141
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,000
you're starting to think about their next contract too, but

3142
02:25:56,079 --> 02:26:01,879
it's if they're not a consensus top fifteen player they like,

3143
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:03,879
we don't want them on anything near a max. I

3144
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:07,600
just wonder if we're heading towards that, and just the

3145
02:26:07,639 --> 02:26:10,920
impressions of it's tough because I agree with a lot

3146
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:13,360
of the criticism Anthony Davis as old and always injured,

3147
02:26:13,399 --> 02:26:14,920
and as it looked great this year, Trey Young, it's

3148
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:15,520
just hard to fit in.

3149
02:26:15,559 --> 02:26:18,360
Speaker 1: But the Jared Jackson junior of it, all that to

3150
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:21,559
me was a deal that should have skewed towards fine

3151
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:26,680
and it just felt like the value Memphis got, not

3152
02:26:26,760 --> 02:26:29,360
that it clearly wasn't underwater, but it wasn't as far

3153
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:30,920
above water as it should have been. And it makes

3154
02:26:30,959 --> 02:26:33,840
me wonder, even with the Giannis.

3155
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:36,639
Speaker 2: Rumors, we say the offers are gonna be better, does

3156
02:26:36,719 --> 02:26:38,399
Yannis hope them we end up getting moved for less

3157
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:42,120
than we think bam Adebayo in Miami, what are teams

3158
02:26:42,159 --> 02:26:47,280
willing to give up for him? So that's I don't

3159
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:48,799
even know if it's a takeaway so much as it

3160
02:26:48,840 --> 02:26:52,000
made me want to monitor how the league is going

3161
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:55,719
to value these non they're still stars or they're supposed

3162
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:57,600
to be stars, depending on how you feel about Anthony

3163
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:58,280
Davis type.

3164
02:26:58,680 --> 02:26:59,719
Speaker 1: These non supert.

3165
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:02,239
Speaker 2: Even if the if the Celtics put Jalen Brown on

3166
02:27:02,280 --> 02:27:05,040
the trade market right now, if they could, I don't.

3167
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:07,319
I was curiously what they get because of how his

3168
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:10,520
like how large his contract is and he hasn't proven

3169
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:13,719
even this year. Maybe there's this probably bad example because

3170
02:27:13,719 --> 02:27:15,040
he's had a great year, But do you think that

3171
02:27:15,079 --> 02:27:19,040
he's just a consent in any given season? Maybe, but

3172
02:27:19,479 --> 02:27:22,600
in the macro sense, is he a consensus top fifteen player?

3173
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:27,879
Speaker 3: Maybe? I think I think what one other thing is

3174
02:27:27,959 --> 02:27:30,840
like the types of teams that might be interested in

3175
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:34,239
a player like Jalen Brown with all that money, who's like, eh,

3176
02:27:34,479 --> 02:27:37,799
maybe usually an All NBA guy, but I mean this

3177
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:41,280
year sure might be very surprising, Like it might be

3178
02:27:41,399 --> 02:27:43,600
your Wizards or your or or you know, some of

3179
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:46,520
those teams. Because in addition, I think to the flatt

3180
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:49,799
and lottery odds kind of messing things up with respect

3181
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:54,120
to rebuilds. I think that the death of free agency

3182
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:56,559
is causing teams to be like cap space, who cares,

3183
02:27:56,639 --> 02:27:59,040
We're just we'll just trade for a giant contract that

3184
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:00,760
doesn't have a bunch of time on it, and we'll

3185
02:28:00,799 --> 02:28:03,639
just see what happens with it. Because like Anthony Davis

3186
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:06,399
doesn't isn't what Dallas wants. He can be what we want.

3187
02:28:06,440 --> 02:28:08,719
We're not any good, he'll make us better, Like I

3188
02:28:08,719 --> 02:28:10,959
I think, I think the types of teams that would

3189
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:14,399
be willing to onboard bad contracts are maybe different or

3190
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:16,719
at least they want them for different reasons now, because

3191
02:28:16,719 --> 02:28:19,920
it's like it used to be, the bad contract would

3192
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,920
come with a bunch of first attached. Anthony Davis didn't

3193
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:25,719
come with any first attack, like any like consequential first attached,

3194
02:28:25,719 --> 02:28:28,000
Trey Hung didn't come with consequential first attached to. They

3195
02:28:28,079 --> 02:28:31,239
just took the players. So I don't know. I think

3196
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:35,239
we're It's my understanding is still evolving, but but it

3197
02:28:35,239 --> 02:28:39,000
feels like things are different with with like what you're saying,

3198
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:41,479
like what those contracts are worth, who's interested in them?

3199
02:28:41,559 --> 02:28:44,680
Like it's it's things things feel like they changed at

3200
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:45,319
this deadline.

3201
02:28:46,399 --> 02:28:48,079
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else? Or are you ready to

3202
02:28:48,079 --> 02:28:48,920
take us out here?

3203
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:51,760
Speaker 2: And there will not be because stream Yards got to

3204
02:28:51,799 --> 02:28:53,559
figure that out. With the vertical, I'm not going to

3205
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:55,319
put up an end screen because it looks so weird

3206
02:28:55,360 --> 02:28:57,399
on the even putting up the comments like it does

3207
02:28:57,440 --> 02:28:59,959
weird things that shout out to everyone. We still got

3208
02:29:00,079 --> 02:29:01,840
some people in here, a few dozen people. Shout out

3209
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:04,040
to everyone who stuck with us till.

3210
02:29:03,719 --> 02:29:07,440
Speaker 3: What are you still doing here? You've seen they are

3211
02:29:08,040 --> 02:29:09,040
it says it on the screen.

3212
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you you are all the real true sickos.

3213
02:29:11,879 --> 02:29:14,600
Speaker 2: Thanks for everyone to tune into our trade Deadline series

3214
02:29:14,639 --> 02:29:16,079
primer that we did for every team.

3215
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:18,879
Speaker 1: Thanks for the comments. We love. Grant and I've had talks.

3216
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:20,120
We need to figure out live streams.

3217
02:29:20,159 --> 02:29:22,959
Speaker 2: It's just when we record normally in like the dead

3218
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:25,159
of the afternoon, it's just no one's around during the

3219
02:29:25,159 --> 02:29:26,440
middle of the week. So hopefully we'll be able to

3220
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:28,319
figure that out or something to do more of these,

3221
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:30,520
cause I love I love getting comments and being able

3222
02:29:30,559 --> 02:29:31,760
to riff off stuff right like that.

3223
02:29:31,799 --> 02:29:33,799
Speaker 3: I do too, But this is also what you get

3224
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:36,280
when you get me after my bedtime and I feel

3225
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:38,440
like I've said a lot of words and not made

3226
02:29:38,440 --> 02:29:39,159
a lot of sense to that.

3227
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Can I say one thing. I wasn't disappointed in your performance.

3228
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:45,040
I think your analysis was still spot on. I was

3229
02:29:45,079 --> 02:29:49,159
disappointed in the sense that you weren't punchy enough, like

3230
02:29:49,239 --> 02:29:53,159
I was expecting some real just off the walls takes

3231
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:54,000
from you.

3232
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,120
Speaker 3: And trying to be punchy here. I may if we

3233
02:29:57,239 --> 02:30:01,479
start even later, I'll well, if we started me later,

3234
02:30:01,559 --> 02:30:03,840
I'm just I'm just gonna be like, I don't know, Dan,

3235
02:30:04,159 --> 02:30:06,200
tell me what you think. I don't want to talk anymore.

3236
02:30:06,879 --> 02:30:11,000
I'll just throw it to you. Oh all right, that

3237
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:13,079
should do it right. Two and a half hours is enough.

3238
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:15,280
It was trade deadline day. We did it. You guys

3239
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:17,239
all did it with us. Thank you for listening, Thank

3240
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:21,600
you for watching. Please rate, review, subscribe, do all the things.

3241
02:30:21,959 --> 02:30:25,120
Read all the content that Dan produced in the written form,

3242
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:27,760
because I don't know how many thousands of words it was,

3243
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but it was many thousands, and it was a great job,

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and he worked his ass off. I worked pretty hard,

3245
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but I would not get it.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know how your schedule is set up. No

3247
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one else knows this, but the schedule you had to juggle.

3248
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I was waiting for you to cancel on me tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's why you were here.

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Speaker 2: This was like your Michael Jordan flu game, except the

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flu at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just old and I need to go to bed

3253
02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:57,239
at ten o'clock or I get cranky next day. It's

3254
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a big mess. You'll get there. Someday.

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Speaker 2: All right, So everyone who caught us on b R,

3256
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that was really cool. I got d MS about it.

3257
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I thought that was really cool that everyone was watching

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us there. So go tell them to put us go

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02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:10,520
in their comments, and we want more of Dan and

3260
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Grant or Hardwood Knocks whatever we're known by, probably.

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Speaker 3: Hard write anything. Just tell put us on more.

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Speaker 1: Go tell our employers to use.

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Speaker 3: Us, tell us, tell them, tell them who we are,

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02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:24,719
that we're ready for work, like we're on LinkedIn or

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02:31:24,719 --> 02:31:29,120
whatever that that we got we got. We gotta stop.

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Speaker 1: We gotta stop.

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Speaker 3: We gotta stop. We gotta stop. Tell your friends, tell

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