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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening

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to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host,

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George Hobbes.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back truthseekers from around the world. It's time for

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another edition of our classic audio series, and tonight we

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welcome back David ray Griffin and his presentation entitled nine

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to eleven The Myth and the Reality and of course

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David ray Griffin one of the original founding members of

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Scholars for nine to eleven Truth and unfortunately mister Griffin

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passed back in November of twenty twenty two. Enjoy this

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presentation and again this week on the podcast. This Tuesday,

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July the eighth, we'll be looking at Jeffrey Epstein, and

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the following week, Tuesday July the fifteenth, will welcome back

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Scott Share to the program. Without any further ado, here

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is David ray Griffin. Have a wonderful week. God bless

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you all and take care.

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Speaker 1: It's an honor and pleasure to introduce our main speaker,

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author of the New Pearl Harbor, Disturbing Questions about the

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Bush administration in nine to eleven and the nine to

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eleven Commission Report Omissions and Distortions a critique of the

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King Selico Report. When people face a problem, they usually

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ask what can I do? However, when confronted with nine

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to eleven truths that chatter their world views, people must

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ask themselves who am I? Doctor David Ray Griffin has

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spent much of his life examining questions about who we

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are and our relationship with the universe. A professor of philosophy,

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of religion and theology Emeritus at Claremont's School of Theology

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and Claremont Graduate University, co director of the Center of

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for Process Studies, he has authored fifteen books, edited a

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dozen more, and has authored over a hundred articles in chapters,

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presented innumerable papers and lectures. He's renowned for his theological

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work and a recipient of the Book Prize of the

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Scientific and Medical Network. His forthcoming books include nine to

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eleven and the American Empire, Intellectual speak Out and Christian

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Faith and the Truth Behind nine to eleven. A Call

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to Reflection and Action. In Process Theology, an introductory exposition,

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he and his co author John B. Cobb Junior, present

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a way of understanding God's existence and our own as

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a co creative process where humans individually and collectively have

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the freedom, responsibility, and opportunity to imagine and realize a

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better or worse future for all. Doctor Griffin has overcome

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the central political and spiritual challenge confirmed humanity at this

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eternally critical moment, fear. In nineteen seventy six, he and

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cob wrote the choice of life, which is the choice

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of God's call, is the highest freedom in itself. Hope

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grows with the ability to respond. Despair grows with the

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self chosen closing in of horizons. To be responsible is

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not finally to shoulder an unendurable burden. It is to

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share in the divine adventure in the world. Although its

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outcome is never assured in itself, it is joyful. The

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one who experiences the joy of this participation in the

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divine life hopes urgently for success, but accepts the risk

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that the only reward may be in the joy itself.

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By deconstructing the foundational lives of the War on terrorism,

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courageously dispelling fear to champion truth and light the path

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towards a hopeful future, Doctor Griffin is an inspiration to

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all who reject fear, terror, war and lies, and to

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all who cherish life, health, peace, and truth. The fact

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that he can enjoy challenging the most threatening empire the

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world has ever seen makes it possible and compelling for

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all of us to join him in this journey. Please

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welcome Doctor David ray Griffin.

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Speaker 3: Good evening.

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Speaker 4: Although I have given many lectures about nine to eleven,

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I had prior to this one, never devoted an entire

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lecture to simply summarizing what I take to be the

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strongest evidence against the official.

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Speaker 3: Account of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: Although I'm a philosopher of religion and a theologian, I've

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spent most of my time the last three years working

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on nine to eleven, studying it, writing about it, talking

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about it.

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Speaker 3: In this lecture, I will try to.

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Speaker 4: Make clear why I have devoted so much time and

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energy to this topic. I will do so in terms

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of the distinction between myth and reality. I'm here using

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the term myth in two senses. In one sense, a

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myth is an idea that, while widely believed his false,

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does not correspond with reality. In a deeper sense, which

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is employed by students of religion, a myth serves as

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an orienting and mobilizing story for a people, a story

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that reminds them who they are and.

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Speaker 3: Why they do what they do.

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Speaker 4: When a story is called a myth in this sense,

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which can be called myth with a capital M, the

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focus is not on the story's relation to reality, but

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on its function. This orienting and mobilizing function is possible

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because the myth in this sense has a religious overtone.

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Speaker 3: It is a sacred story.

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Speaker 4: However, although to note that a story functions as a

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myth in the religious sense is not to say anything

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about its truth. A story cannot function this way unless

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it is believed to be true in the community or

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the nation.

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Speaker 3: It is not a matter of debate.

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Speaker 4: If some people have the bad taste to raise the

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question of the truth of the sacred story. The keepers

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of the faith do not enter into debate with them.

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They ignore them or denounce them as blasphemers.

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Speaker 5: It is wrong, blasphemous, and sinful for you to suggest, imply,

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or help other people come to the conclusion.

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Speaker 1: And that the US government killed three thousand of its

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own citizens.

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Speaker 4: According to the official story about nine to eleven, America

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because of its goodness, was attacked by fanatical Arab Muslims

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who hate our freedoms. This story has clearly functioned as

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a sacred myth since that fateful day, and this function

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appears to have been closely carefully orchestrated. The very next day,

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President Bush announced his intention to lead a monumental struggle

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of good versus evil. Then, on September thirteen, he declared

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the following day would be a national day of prayer

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and remembrance for the victims of the terrorist attacks. And

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on that next day, the President himself, surrounded by Billy Graham,

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a cardinal, a rabbi, and an imam, delivered a sermon

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in the National Cathedral, saying, our responsibility to history is

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already clear to answer these attacks and rid.

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Speaker 3: The world of evil.

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Speaker 4: War has been waged again them us by stealth and

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deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when

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stirred to anger. In every generation the world has produced

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enemies of human freedom. They have attacked America because we

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are freedom's home and defender, and the commitment of our

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fathers is now the calling of our time. We ask

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Almighty God to watch over our nation and grant us

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patience and resolve in all that is to come, and

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may He always guide our country. God bless America through

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this unprecedented event in which the President of the United

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States issued a declaration of war from a cathedral. French

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author Terry Masson observed in two thousand and two, the

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American government consecrated its version of the events. From then on,

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any questioning of the official truth would be seen as sacrilege.

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That attitude has remained dominant in the public sphere until

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this day, as official account has continued to serve as

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a sacred story. When people raise questions about this story,

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they are either ignored, ridiculed as conspiracy theorist, or, as

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Charlie Sheen has recently learned, personally attacked. When any one

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asks what right the administration has to invade and occupy

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other countries, to imprison people indefinitely without due process, or

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even to ignore various laws, the answer is always the

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same nine eleven.

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Speaker 3: Those who believe that U.

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Speaker 4: S Law and international law should be respected are dismissed

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as having a pre nine eleven mindset. Given the role

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that the official account of nine eleven has played, the

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most important question before our country to day is whether

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this account, besides being a myth in the religious sense,

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is also a myth in the pejority sense, that is,

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it is simply false. As a phlossph of religion, I

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would emphasize that the fact that a story has served

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as a religious myth does not necessarily may mean that

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it fails to correspond with reality. Many religious accounts have

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at least a kernel of truth that can be defended

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in rational debate. In many cases, however, stories that have

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served as religious myths cannot stand up to rational scrutiny.

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When such a story is stripped of its halo and

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treated simply as a theory rather than an unquestionable dogma,

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it cannot be defended as the best theory to account

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for the relevant evidence. The official account of nine to

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eleven is such a theory. When challenges to it are

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not treated as blasphemy, it can easily be seen to

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be composed of a number of ideas that are myths

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in the sense of not corresponding with reality. Using the

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word myth, from now on only in this pejority sense,

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I will discuss nine of the major myths contained in

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the official story about nine to eleven. I will thereby

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show that the official account cannot be defended in light

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of the relevant evidence against the main alternative account, according

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to which nine eleven was an inside job orchestrated by

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people within our own government. I will begin by looking

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at a few myths that prevent many people from even

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looking at this evidence. Myth number one, our political and

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military leaders simply would not do such a thing. This

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idea is widely believed, but it is undermined by much evidence.

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The United States, like many other countries, has often used

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a seat to begin wars, for example, the American Mexican

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War with its false claim that Mexico had shed American

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blood on American soil, the Spanish American War with its

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remember the Main incidents, the War in the Philippines with

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its false claim that the Filipinos fired the first shot,

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and the Vietnam War with its Gulf of Tonkian hoax.

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The U S government has also sometimes organized false flag

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terrorist attacks, killing innocent civilians, then blaming the attacks on

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an enemy country or group, often by planning evidence. As

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Daniel Ganser has shown in his recent book NATO's Secret Armies, NATO,

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guided by the CIA and the Pentagon, arranged many such

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attacks in Western European countries during the Cold War, in

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which hundreds of people were killed by bombs or hooded

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men with shotguns. These attacks were successfully blamed on communists

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and other leftists to discredit them in the eyes of

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the voting public. Finally, if it be thought that the U. S.

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Military would not orchestrate such attacks against American citizens, one

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needs only to read the plans known as Operation Northwoods,

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which the Joint Chiefs of Staff worked up in nineteen

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sixty two, shortly after Fidel Castro had overthrown the pro

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American dictator Batista. This plan contained various pretexts which would

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provide justification for U. S. Military intervention in Cuba. Some

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of them would have involved killing Americans. For example, I

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remember the main incident. We could blow up a ship,

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a U. S ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

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Speaker 3: S leaders would be morally.

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Speaker 4: Capable of orchestrating nine to eleven, might avoid looking at

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the evidence by appeal to myth number two. Our political

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and military leaders would have had no motives for orchestrating

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the nine to eleven attacks. This myths was reinforced by

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the nine to eleven Commission, while explaining why that Alcada

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had ample motives for carrying out the attacks. This report

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mentions no motives that U S leaders might have had,

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But the alleged motives of al Qaeda that had hated

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America and the Americans and their freedoms is dwarfed by

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a motive held by many members of the Bush Cheney administration,

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the dream of establishing a global Pax Americana, the first

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all inclusive empire in history. This dream has been articulated

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by many Neo Conservatives or neo Khans during the nineteen nineties,

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after the disintegration of the Soviet Union made it seem possible.

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It was first officially articulated in the Defense Planning Guidance

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of nineteen ninety two, drafted by Paul Wolfowitz on behalf

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of then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, a document that

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has been called a blueprint for permanent American global hegemony

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and Cheney's plan to rule the world. Achieving this goal

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would require four things. One of these was getting control

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of the world's oil, especially in Central Asia and the

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Middle East, and the Bush administration came to power with

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plans already made to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. The second

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requirement was a technological transformation of the military, in which

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fighting from space would become central. A third requirement was

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an enormous increase in military spending to pay for these

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new wars and the weaponization of space. A fourth need

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was to modify the doctrine of preemptive attack so that

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America would be able to attack other countries even if

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they presented no imminent threat. These four elements would require

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a fifth, an event that would make the American people

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ready to accept these imperialistic policies. As the Big Brazinski

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explained in his nineteen ninety seven book The Grand Chessboard,

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the American people, with their democratic instincts, are reluctant to

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authorize the money and human sacrifice as necessary for imperial mobilization,

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and this refusal limits America's capacity for military intimidation. But

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this impediment could be overcome if there were a truly

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man then widely perceived direct external threat, just as the

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American people were willing to enter World War II only

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after the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

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entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses, which was put out by a

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Neil Khan think tank called the Project for the New

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American Century, many members of which including Cheney, rumsfeld and Wolfowitz,

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became central members of the Bush administration. This document, referring

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to the goal of transforming the military, said that this

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process of transformation is likely to be a long one

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absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new pearl harbor.

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When the attacks of nine to eleven occurred, they were

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treated like a new pearl harbor. Several members of the

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administration spoke of them as opportunities. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeldt

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said that nine to eleven created the kind of opportunities

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that World War II II offered to refashion the world.

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It created, in particular the opportunity to attack Afghanistan and Iraq,

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to increase the military budget enormously, to go forward with

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military transformation, and to turn the new idea of preemptive

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warfare into official doctrine. This doctrinal change was announced in

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the two thousand and two version of the National Security Strategy,

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which said that America will act against emerging threats before

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they are fully formed. So not only did the Bush

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administration reap huge benefits from nine to eleven. These were

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benefits that it had desired in advance.

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Speaker 3: The idea that it would have had no motives for.

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Speaker 4: Orchestrating nine to eleven is a myth.

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Speaker 3: But there is one more.

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Speaker 4: Myth that keeps many people from looking at the evidence.

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This is myth number three. Such a big operation involving

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so many people could not have been kap a secret

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because someone involved in it would have talked by now.

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This claim is based on a more general myth, which

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is that it is impossible for secret government operations to

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be kept secret very long because someone always talks. But

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how could one know this If some big operations have

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remained secret until now, we by definition don't know about them. Moreover,

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we do know about some big operations that were kept

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secret as long as necessary, such as the Manhattan Project

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to create the atomic bomb, and the war in Indonesia

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in nineteen fifty seven, which the United States provoked, participated in,

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and then kept secret until nineteen ninety five. Many more

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examples could be given. We can understand moreover why those

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withinside knowledge of nine to eleven would not talk. At

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least most of them would have been people with the proven.

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Speaker 3: Ability to keep secrets.

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Speaker 4: Those who were directly complicit would also be highly motivated

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to avoid public disgrace.

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Speaker 3: And the gas chamber.

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Speaker 4: Those people who had knowledge without being complicit could be

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induced to keep quiet by means of more or less

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subtled threats, such as, Joe, if you go forward with

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your plan to talk to the press, I don't know

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who is going to protect your wife and kids from

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some nutcase angered by your statement. Still, another fact is

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that neither the government nor the mainstream press has, to

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say the least, shown any signs of wanting people to

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come forward. For all these reasons, it is not surprising

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that no one has I moved to myth number four.

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The nine to eleven Commission, which has endorsed the official account,

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was an independent, impartial commission, and hints can be believed.

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One needs only to look at the reviews of the

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nine to eleven Commission report on Amazon dot com to

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see that this assumption is widely held. Perhaps this is

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because in the preface, the commission's chairman and co vice

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chairman tell us that the commission sought to be independent, impartial, thorough,

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and non partisan. But these terms do not describe the reality.

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The Commission's lack of impartiality can be explained partly by

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the fact that Chairman Thomas Kane, most of the other commissioners,

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and at least half of the members of the staff

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had serious conflicts of interest. The most serious problem, however,

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is that the Executive Director, Philip Zellikow, was essentially a

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member of the Bush Cheney administration. He had worked with

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Condoleeza Rice on the National Security Council in the administration

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of the first President Bush. Then when the Republicans were

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out of office, he and Condaleza Rice wrote a book together. Then,

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when she was named National Security Advisor for the second

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President Bush, she brought him on to help with the transition. Finally,

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then he was appointed to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

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So he was the White House's man inside the nine

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to eleven CUS mission, and yet as executive Director, he

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guided the staff, which did virtually all the work. Zeliko

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was in position therefore to decide which topics would be

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investigated and which one's not. One Disgrental's staff member reportedly

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said at the time, Zelokow is calling the shots. He's

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skewing the investigation and running.

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Speaker 3: It his own way.

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Speaker 4: Accordingly, the Commission was not independent from the executive branch.

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In so far as the Commission was supposed to be

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investigating the failure of the Bush administration to prevent the attacks,

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the commission was no more independent and impartial than if

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Dick Cheney had been running it. The only difference was

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that no one was shot. Zeloko's ideological and personal closeness

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to the Bush administration is further shown by one more

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fact that until now has not been widely known even

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within the nine to eleven truth movement. I mentioned earlier,

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the Bush Administration's National Security Strategy Statement of two thousand

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and two, in which the new doctrine of preemptive warfare

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was articulated. The primary author of this document, reports James

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Mann in Rise of the Vulcans, was none other than

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Philip Zelikow. According to Mann, after Rice saw a first draft,

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which had been written by Richard Hass in the State Department,

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she wanted something bolder and brought in Philip Zelikhow to

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completely rewrite the document. The result was a document that

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used nine eleven to justify a very bellicot's foreign policy.

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We can understand, therefore, why the Commission, under Zelikow's leadership

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would have ignored all the evidence that would point to

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the truth that nine eleven was a false flag operation

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intended to authorize the doctrines and funds needed for a

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new level of imperial mobilization. The suggestion that nine eleven

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was a false flag operation brings us to myth number five.

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The Bush administration provided proof that the attacks were carried

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out by al Qaeda terras under the direction of Osama

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bin Laden.

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Speaker 3: One of the main.

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Speaker 4: Pieces of alleged proof involved the claim that the baggage

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of a Mohammedada, called the ring Leader, was discovered at

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the Boston airport from which flight eleven departed. This baggage,

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besides containing Atta's passport and driver's license, also contained various

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types of increminating evidence, such as flight simulator manuals, videotapes

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of Boeing air liners, and a letter to other hijackers

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about preparing for the mission. But the bags also contained

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Ada's will. Why would Atta have intended to take his

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will on a flight he planned to fly into the

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World Trade Center. There are also many other problems with

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this story. We seem to have planted evidence. Another element

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of the official story about the alleged hijackers is that

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they were very devout Muslims. The nine eleven Commission reports

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said that auDA had become very religious, even fanatically. So

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the public was thereby led to believe that these men

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would have no problem with a suicide mission because they

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were ready to meet their maker. But investigator reporter Daniel

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Hopzicker discovered that Atda loved cocaine, alcohol, gambling, pork, and

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lap dances. Several of the other alleged hijackers had similar taste,

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reported The Wall Street Journal. The Commission pretends, however, that

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none of this information was available. While admitting that auDA

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met other members of Alcada in Las Vegas shortly before

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nine to eleven, it says that it saw no credible

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evidence explaining why on this occasion and others.

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Speaker 3: The operaties flew to or met in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Another problem in the official account is that although we

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are told that four or five of the alleged hijackers

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were on each of the flights, no proof of this

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claim has been provided. The story, of course, is that

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they did not force their way on to the plains,

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but they bought tickets. If so, their names should have

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been on the flight manifests, But the flight manifests that

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have been released contained neither the names of the alleged

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hijackers nor any Arab names whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: We have also been given no proof.

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Speaker 4: That the remains of any of these men were found

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in the wreckage. One final little problem is that several

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of these nineteen men, according to stories published by the

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b b C and British newspapers, are still alive. For example,

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the nine eleven commission named Walid Alshiri as one of

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the hijackers and reproduced the FBI's photograph of him. It

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even suggested that Alsheri stabbed one of the flight attendants

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shortly before Flight eleven crashed into the North Tower. But

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as BBC News had reported, eleven days after nine eleven, Alshiri,

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having seen his photograph in newspapers and TV programs, notified

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authorities and journalists in Morocco, where he works with his

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pilot that he was still alive. But if there are

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various problems with the government's story about the hijackers, surely

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it proved its case about Osama bin Laden. In so

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far as this belief is held, it is also a myth.

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Secretary of State Colin Powell promised shortly after nine to

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eleven to provide a white paper giving this.

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Speaker 3: Proof, but this paper was never produced.

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Speaker 4: British Prime Minister Tony Blair did produce such a paper,

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but it begins with the admission that it does not

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purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama bin Laden

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in a court of law, so evidence good enough to

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go to war, but not good enough to.

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Speaker 3: Go to court.

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Speaker 4: And although the Taliban said that it would hand beIN

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laden over if the United States presented evidence of his

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involvement in nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Bush refused.

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Speaker 4: This failure to provide proof was later said to be

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unnecessary because ben Laden, in a video, allegedly found enough

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gas Anistan admitted responsibility for the attacks. This confession is

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now widely cited its proof. But the man in this

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video has darker skin, fuller cheeks, and a broader nose

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than the also Osama.

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Speaker 3: Bin Laden of all other videos. We again seem to

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have planet evidence.

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Speaker 4: There are moreover other problems in the official account of

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Osama bin Laden. For one thing, in June of two

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thousand and one, when he was already America's most wanted criminal,

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he reportedly spent two weeks in the American hospital in Dubai,

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was treated by an American doctor and visited by the

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local CIA agent. Also after nine eleven, when America was

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reportedly trying to get Osama dead or alive, the US

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military evidently allowed him to escape on at least four occasions,

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the last one being the Battle of Torribora, which the

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London Telegraph labeled a grand charade. Shortly thereafter, Bush said,

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I don't know where Ben Laden is.

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Speaker 3: I really don't care. It's not our priority.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes the truth slips out. In any case, The idea

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that the Bush administration has provided proof for its claims

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about Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda hijackers is

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a myth. I turned now to myth number six. The

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nine to eleven attacks came as a surprise to the

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Bush administration. Nothing is more essential to the official story

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than this idea. About ten months after nine to eleven,

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FBI Director Robert Mueller said, to this day, we have

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found no one in the United States except the actual

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hijackers who knew of the plot. There is much evidence, however,

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that counts against this claim. One type of evidence involves

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an extraordinarily high volume of put options purchased in the

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three days prior to nine to eleven. To buy put

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options for a particular company is to bet that its

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stock price will go down. These extraordinary purchases included two

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and only two airlines, United American, the two airlines used

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in the attacks. They also included Morgan Stanley Dean Witter,

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which occupied twenty two stories of the World Trade Center.

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The price of these shares did, of course, plummet after

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nine to eleven, resulting in enormous profits for the purpose purchasers.

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These unusual purchases, as the San Francisco Chronicle said, raised

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suspicions that the investors had advanced knowledge of the strikes.

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It would appear, in other words, that those who made

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the purchases knew that United and American airliners were going

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to be used in attacks on the World Trade Center.

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The nine eleven Commission tried to show these suspicions to

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be unfounded. It claimed, for example, that the purchases for

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United Airlines do not show any one other than al

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Qaeda had for knowledge, because ninety five percent of these

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options were purchased by a single US based institutional investor

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with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda. But the Commission

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thereby simply begged the question at issue, which is whether

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some organization other than al Qaeda was involved in the planning.

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Speaker 3: I'm not making this up.

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Speaker 4: Also, the Commission ignored the other crucial point, which is

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that US intelligence agency closely monitored the stock market looking

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for any anomalies that might provide clues to untoward events. Therefore,

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regardless of who orchestrated the attacks, the US government would

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have had intelligence suggesting that United and American airliners were

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to be used for attacks on the World Trade Center

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in the near future. Further evidence of advanced knowledge is

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shown by the behavior of President Bush and his secret

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Service agents at the photo op at the school in

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Florida that morning. According to the official story, when Bush

481
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,519
was first told that a plane had struck one of

482
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:05,599
the twin towers, he dismissed the incident as a horrible accident,

483
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,440
which meant that they could go ahead with the photo op.

484
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,599
News of the second strike, however, would have indicated, assuming

485
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,480
that the strikes were unexpected, that terrorists were using planes

486
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,839
to attack high value targets, and what could have been

487
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,960
a higher value target than the President of the United States.

488
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,839
His location at the school had been more highly publicized. Therefore,

489
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,319
the Secret Service agent should have feared that a hijacked

490
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,079
airliner might have been bearing down on the school at

491
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,440
that very minute, ready to crash into it. It is

492
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,720
standard procedure for the Secret Service to rush the President

493
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,200
to a safe location whenever there is any sign of danger,

494
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,359
and yet these agents allowed the President to remain another

495
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,759
half hour at the school, even permitting him to deliver

496
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,440
an address on TV, thereby announcing to the world that

497
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,519
he was still at the school. Would not this behavior

498
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,599
be expledable only if the head of the Secret Service

499
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,079
detail knew that the planned attacks did not include an

500
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,599
attack on the president. The nine eleven Commission, of course,

501
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,799
did not ask this question. It was content to report

502
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,519
that the Secret Service told us they did not think

503
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,960
it imperative for the President to run out the door.

504
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Maintaining decorum, in other words, was more important than protecting

505
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,960
the president's life. Can anyone serious belief seriously believe that

506
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,640
the highly trained Secret Service would act this way in

507
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:38,119
a situation of genuine danger. A third example, a Pentagon spokesperson,

508
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,319
in explaining why the Pentagon was not evacuated before it

509
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,720
was struck, claimed that the Pentagon was simply not aware

510
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,359
that this aircraft was coming our way. The nine eleven

511
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,720
Commission claimed that there was no warning about an unidentified

512
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:56,480
aircraft heading towards Washington until nine thirty six, and hence

513
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,519
only one or two minutes before the Pentagon was struck.

514
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,839
But this claim is contradicted by Secretary of Transportation Norman

515
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,799
Minetta's testimony about an episode that occurred in the Presidential

516
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,599
Emergency Operations Center under the White House, an open testimony

517
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,920
to the nine to eleven commission itself, Minetta said, during

518
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,680
the time.

519
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,319
Speaker 6: Then the airplane coming in to the Pentagon, there was

520
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,119
a young man who had come in and say to

521
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,359
the Vice President, the plane is fifty miles out. The

522
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400
plane is thirty miles out, and when it got down

523
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,400
to the plane is ten miles out.

524
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,839
Speaker 3: The young man also.

525
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,559
Speaker 6: Said to the Vice President do the orders still stand?

526
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,920
And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around

527
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,039
and said, of course, the orders still stand. Have you

528
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,440
heard anything to the contrary?

529
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,559
Speaker 4: Minetta said that this conversation occurred at nine twenty five

530
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,960
or nine twenty six, and hence many minutes before the

531
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,839
Pentagon was struck. This example gives us one of the

532
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,840
clearest examples of the fact that the zeleekow led nine

533
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,519
to eleven Commission cannot be trusted. Having claimed that there

534
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,440
was no knowledge that an aircraft was approaching the Pentagon

535
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:20,760
until the last minute or so, it simply omitted Minetta's

536
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,000
testimony to the contrary. Then, to rule out the possibility

537
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,440
that the episode Minetta had reported could have occurred, it

538
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,159
claimed that Cheney did not even arrive down at the

539
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:38,039
Presidential Emergency Operations Center until almost ten o'clock, hence about

540
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:42,360
twenty minutes after the Pentagon was struck. But this claim,

541
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:47,239
besides contradicting Minetta's eyewitness testimony that Cheney was already there

542
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,760
whene Minetta arrived at nine to twenty, also contradicts all

543
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,920
other reports as to when Cheney had arrived there, including

544
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,960
a report by Cheney himself in some Having compared the

545
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,159
official stories about the put options, the Secret Service, and

546
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,760
Minetta's testimony, we can reject as a myth the idea

547
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,559
that the attacks were unexpected. However, even if the attacks

548
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,159
had been unexpected, should they not have been prevented? This

549
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,199
brings us to myth Number seven. US officials have explained

550
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,239
why the hijacked airliners were not intercepted. Actually, there is

551
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,039
a sense in which this claim is true. US officials

552
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,840
have explained why the US military did not prevent the attacks.

553
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,880
The problem, however, is that they have given us three explanations.

554
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:46,280
They are all mutually contradictory, and none of them is

555
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,760
a satisfactory explanation.

556
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: I will explain.

557
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: According to standard operating procedures, if an FAA flight controller

558
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,559
notices anything that suggests a possible hijacking, the controllers to

559
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,159
contact to superior. If the problem cannot be fixed quickly

560
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,599
within about a minute, the superiors to ask NORD, the

561
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,880
North American Aerospace Command, to send up or scramble jet

562
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,119
fighters to find out what is going on. NORD then

563
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,000
issues the scramble order to the nearest Air Force base

564
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,840
with fighters on alert. The jet fighters at Norrid's disposal

565
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,920
could respond very quickly. According to the US Air Force website,

566
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,079
F fifteen's can go from scramble order to twenty nine

567
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:33,239
thousand feet in only two and a half minutes, after

568
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,159
which they can fly over eighteen hundred miles an hour. Therefore,

569
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,440
according to General Ralph Eberhart, the head of nor AD,

570
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,920
after the FAA senses that something is wrong, it takes

571
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,639
about a minute for it to contact nor AD, after which,

572
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,039
according to a spokesperson, NORD can scramble fighter jets within

573
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:57,440
a matter of minutes to anywhere in the United States.

574
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719
An Air Force traffic control doc him put out in

575
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,440
nineteen eighty eight warn pilots that any airplane's persisting and

576
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,800
unusual behavior will likely find two jet fighters on their

577
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,440
tail within ten or so minutes. If these procedures had

578
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
been carried out on the morning of nine eleven, American

579
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,599
Airlines Flight eleven and United Flight one seventy five would

580
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,239
have been intercepted before they could have reached Manhattan. An

581
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,639
American Flight seventy seven would have been intercepted long before

582
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,599
it could have reached the Pentagon. Such interceptions are routine,

583
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,360
being carried out about one hundred times a year. A

584
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,880
month after nine eleven, the Calgary Herald reported that in

585
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,280
the year two thousand, NORD has scrambled fighters one hundred

586
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,960
and twenty nine times. Do these scrambles often result in interceptions.

587
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,719
Just a few days after nine eleven, Major Mike Snyder,

588
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,920
a NORAD spokesperson, told The Boston Globe that nord's fighters

589
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:59,760
routinely intercept aircraft, why did not such interceptions occur on

590
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,440
nine eleven. During the first few days, the public was

591
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,599
told that no fighter jets were sent up until after

592
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:11,079
the strike on the Pentagon at nine thirty eight. However,

593
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:15,119
it was also reported that signs of Flight eleven's hijacking

594
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,119
had been observed at eight fifteen. That would mean that,

595
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,719
although interceptions usually occur within ten or so minutes after

596
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,320
signs of trouble are observed, in this case, eighty or

597
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,920
so minutes had elapsed before fighters were even airborne. This

598
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,000
story suggested that a standown order had been given within

599
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,519
a few days. However, a second story was put out,

600
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,400
according to which NORD had sent fighters up, but because

601
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,559
notification from the FAA had been very tardy, the fighters

602
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,440
arrived too late. On September eighteenth, NORD made this second

603
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,599
story official, embodying it in a timeline which indicated when

604
00:38:54,679 --> 00:39:00,000
NORD had been notified by the FAA about each airplane

605
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,119
and when it had scrambled fighters in response. Critics quickly showed, however,

606
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,719
that even if the FAA notifications had come as late

607
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,000
as Nord's time line indicated, Norris jets would have had

608
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:18,239
time to make interceptions. The second story did not therefore

609
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:22,079
remove the suspicion that a stand down order had been given.

610
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Hoping to overcome this problem, the nine eleven Commission report

611
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,000
provided a third account, according to which, contrary to Norrad's

612
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,039
time line of September eighteenth, the FAA did not notify

613
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,320
Norat about flight one seventy five until it after it

614
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,679
had struck the South Tower, or about flight seventy seven

615
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,400
until after it had struck the Pentagon. But there are

616
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,800
three big problems with this third story. One problem is

617
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,400
the very fact that it is the third story. Normally,

618
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,440
when a suspect in a criminal investigation keeps changing his story.

619
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,559
Speaker 3: We get suspicious. Let's say that the.

620
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: Police asked Charlie Jones where he was on the night

621
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,639
of a particular crime. He says he was at the

622
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,800
movie theater. But they say, no, the movie theater's been

623
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,320
closed all week. Oh, Charlie says, that's right, I was

624
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,920
with my girlfriend. No, the police say we checked with

625
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,760
her and she was home with her husband.

626
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: At that point.

627
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: Charlie says, oh, now, I remember I was home reading

628
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:32,639
the Bible. You're probably not gonna believe Charlie and.

629
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: Yet that's what we have here.

630
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: The military told one story right after nine to eleven,

631
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,360
another story a week later, and a third through the

632
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960
nine to eleven Commission report in two thousand and four.

633
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,079
The second problem with this third story is that it

634
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,559
contradicts several features of the second story, which had served

635
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:54,320
as the official story for almost three years. For example,

636
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,320
NORAD's timeline had indicated that the FAA had notified it

637
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,719
about Flight one seventy five, twenty minutes before the South

638
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,039
Tower was struck, and notified at about Flight seventy seven,

639
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,599
at least fourteen minutes before the Pentagon was struck. The

640
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,639
nine to eleven Commission maintains that both of these statements

641
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:19,519
were incorrect, that really there had been no notification that

642
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,800
the about these flights until after they hit their targets.

643
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,679
This is why the military failed to intercept them. But

644
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,320
if Nord's timeline was false, as the Commission now claims,

645
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,519
Nord must have been either lying or confused. But it

646
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,960
is hard to believe that it could been confused one

647
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:41,199
week after nine to eleven, so it must have been lying.

648
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,119
But if Nord was lying, then why should we believe

649
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:50,559
them now. Further Skepticism about this third story arises from

650
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,519
the fact that it is contradicted by considerable evidence. For example,

651
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,920
the commissions claimed that the military did not know about

652
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,000
Flight one seventy five until it reached its goal is

653
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,679
contradicted by a report by Captain Michael Jelinek, who on

654
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,079
nine to eleven was overseeing NORAD's headquarters in Colorado. According

655
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:15,199
to a story in the Toronto Star, Jelinek is a Canadian.

656
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,079
Jelink was on the phone with Norrad as he watched

657
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:23,480
Flight one seventy five crash into the South Tower. He

658
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,880
then asked Nord, was that the hijacked aircraft you were

659
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,119
dealing with, to which Nord said yes. The nine eleven

660
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:35,599
Commission's claims about Flight one seventy five and seventy seven

661
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,719
are also contradicted by a MIMO sent to the Commission

662
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,320
by Laura Brown of the FAA. Her memo stated that

663
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,480
the FAA had set up a teleconference at about eight

664
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,559
fifty that morning, which it start at which time it

665
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,719
started sharing information about all flights with the military. She

666
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,280
specifically mentioned flight seventy seven. Her MIMO, which is available

667
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,599
on the web, was discussed by the Commission and read

668
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,119
into its record on May twenty third, two thousand o three.

669
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,280
But Zelocow's nine eleven Commission report fails to mention this memo.

670
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,159
Because of these and still more problems, which I have

671
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,559
discussed in electure called flights of fancy, this third story

672
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,639
does not remove the grounds for suspicion that a stand

673
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:27,679
down order had been given. There is moreover ear witness

674
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,519
testimony for this suspicion. An upper management official at l

675
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,440
a X who who needs to remain anonymous, told me

676
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,239
that he overhood members of l a X security, including

677
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,880
officers from the FBI and the l a p D,

678
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,840
interacting on their walkie talkies shortly after the attacks. In

679
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,639
some cases, he could hear both sides of the conversation.

680
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,159
At first, the LAX officials were furious because they were

681
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,760
told that the airplanes that attacked the World Trade Center

682
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,800
and the Pentagon had not been in accepted because the

683
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,719
FAA had not notified NORD about the hijackings. But later,

684
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,760
he reports, they were even more furious because they were

685
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,840
told that NORAD had been notified but did not respond

686
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,079
because it had been ordered to stand down. When LAX

687
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,639
security officials asked who had issued that order, they were

688
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,440
told that it came from the highest level of the

689
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:35,920
White House. That, of course would mean Cheney. Accordingly, the

690
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,119
idea that the tacks could not have been prevented is

691
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:43,800
a myth. To move to myth number eight. Official reports

692
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,440
have explained why the Twin Towers and Building seven of

693
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,519
the World Trade Center collapsed. This claim suffers from the

694
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:56,159
same problem as the previous one. We have had three explanations,

695
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,440
each of which contradicts the others, and none of which

696
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,320
is anywhere near adequate. The first explanation, widely disseminated through

697
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,840
television specials, was that the buildings collapse because their steel

698
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,760
columns were melted by the jet fuel fed fires. But

699
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,679
this explanation contained many problems, the most obvious of which

700
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,480
is that steel does not begin to melt until about

701
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,800
twenty eight hundred degrees fahrenheit, while open fires based on

702
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,920
hydrocarbons such as kerosene, which is what jet fuel is, cannot,

703
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:33,840
even under the most ideal circumstances, rise above seventeen hundred degrees.

704
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,960
A second explanation, endorsed by the nine to eleven Commission

705
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,800
report is a pancake theory, according to which the fires

706
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,519
while not melting the steel, heated it up sufficiently to

707
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,039
cause the floors weakened by the airplane strikes to break

708
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,840
loose from the steel columns, both those in the core

709
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,360
and those around the outside. All the floors above the

710
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,280
strike zone hence fell down on the floor below the

711
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,920
strike zone, causing it to break free, and this started

712
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,480
a chain reaction so that the floors pancaked all the

713
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:09,039
way down. But this explanation also suffered from many problems,

714
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,280
the most obvious of which was that it could not

715
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
ex explain why the buildings collapsed into a pile of

716
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,280
rubble only a few stories high. The core of each

717
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,119
of the twin towers consisted of forty seven massive steel columns.

718
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,679
If the floors had broken loose from them, these columns

719
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,840
would have still been sticking up into the air.

720
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,559
Speaker 3: A thousand feet.

721
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: The nine eleven Commission report tried to cover up this

722
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,599
problem by claiming that the core of each tower consisted

723
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:41,119
of a hollow steel shaft, but those massive steel columns

724
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:45,440
could not be wished away. The definitive explanation was supposed

725
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,039
to be a third one issued by the National Institute

726
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,000
for Standards and Technology, usually called NIST. The KNIST report

727
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,599
claimed that when the floors collapsed, they, rather than breaking

728
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,440
free from the columns, pulled on them, causing the perimeter

729
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:06,320
columns to become unstable. This unstability then increased the gravity

730
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,280
load on the core columns, which have been weakened by

731
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,719
tremendously hot fires in the core, which NIS claims reached

732
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,880
over eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit, and this combination of factors

733
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,639
resulted in global collapse. But as physicists Jim Hoffman and

734
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,440
Stephen Jones have shown, this account is riddled with problems.

735
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,599
One of these is that nists claim about the tremendously

736
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,840
hot fires in the core is completely unsupported by the

737
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,119
evidence or logic. A second problem is that even if

738
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:42,519
this sequence of events had occurred, nists provided no explanation

739
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,599
as to why it would have produced global, that is,

740
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,400
total collapse. The NIS to report as search that calumn

741
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,159
failure occurred in the core as well as the perimeter columns,

742
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,480
but this remains a bare assertion. There is no plausible

743
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,559
explanation of why the core columns would have broken or even.

744
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,599
Speaker 3: Buckled so as to produce global collapse.

745
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: And this is only to begin to enumerate the problems

746
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440
in this theory, all of which follow from the fact

747
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,039
that it, like the previous two theories, is essentially a

748
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,400
fire theory, according to which the buildings were brought down

749
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,320
primarily by fire. In the case of the twin Towers,

750
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,440
of course, the impact of the airplanes is said to

751
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,119
have played a role, but most experts who support the

752
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:35,000
official theory attribute the collapses primarily to the fire. Nis

753
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,360
for example, says that the main contribution of the airplanes,

754
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,039
aside from providing jet fuel, was to dislodge a lot

755
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,400
of the fireproofing from the steel, thereby making it vulnerable

756
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,920
to the fires. By the way, when you go home

757
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,840
tonight and light your fire in fireplace, be sure to

758
00:48:53,880 --> 00:49:00,880
fireproof your steel, or the great may collapse. But these

759
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,159
fire theories faced several formidable problems. First, the fires in

760
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,239
these three buildings were not very hot, very big, or

761
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,960
very long lasting, compared with fires in some steel frame

762
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,239
high rises that did not collapse. A nineteen ninety one

763
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,800
fire in Philadelphia burned eighteen hours, and a two thousand

764
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,920
and four fire in Caracas burned seventeen hours without causing

765
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,320
even a partial collapse. By contrasts, the fires in the

766
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,480
North and South Towers burned only one hundred and two

767
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:37,760
and fifty six minutes, respectively before they collapsed, and neither fire,

768
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,519
unlike the Philadelphia and Caracas fires, were hot enough to

769
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:46,079
break windows. Second, total collapses of steel frame high rise

770
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:50,280
buildings have never either before or after nine eleven, been

771
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,199
brought about by fire alone or fire plus externally caused

772
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,800
structural damage. The collapse of Building seven has been recognized

773
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,679
as especially difficult to explain. It was not hit by

774
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:07,360
a plane, so the explanation has to rely solely on fire,

775
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:10,079
and yet because there was no jet fuel to get

776
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,199
a big fire started, this building had fires on only

777
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,880
two or three floors, according to several witnesses and all

778
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,400
photographic evidence. FEMA admitted that the best theory it could

779
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,400
come up with for this collapse had only a low

780
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:31,280
probability of occurrence. The nine to eleven Commission report implicitly

781
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,000
admitted that it could not explain the collapse of this

782
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:41,079
building by not even mentioning it. The thist report, which

783
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,639
could not claim that the fire proofing had gotten knocked

784
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:47,199
off the steel of this building, as yet to offer

785
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,079
an explanation as to why it collapsed. And NIST, like

786
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,639
the nine to eleven Commission, evidently does not want you

787
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,000
asking why Building seven collapsed even though it was not

788
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:58,920
hit by a plane.

789
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,079
Speaker 3: On its web site, it.

790
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: Says that one of its objectives is to determine why

791
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,239
and how World Trade Center Buildings one, two, and seven

792
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,639
collapsed after the initial impact of the aircraft, thereby implying

793
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,280
that Building seven, like the twin towers, was also hit

794
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,119
by a plane in any case. A third problem with

795
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,800
the official account of the collapses of these three buildings

796
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,760
is that all prior and subsequent collapses total collapses of

797
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,000
steel frame high rises, have been caused by explosives in

798
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:38,480
the procedure known as controlled demolition. This problem is made

799
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,119
even more severe by the fact that the collapses of

800
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:45,679
these three buildings manifested many features of the most difficult

801
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,960
type of controlled demolition, known as implosion. I will mention

802
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:57,039
seven such features. First, the collapses began suddenly. Steel, if

803
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:01,199
weakened by fire, would gradually begin to sag, but as

804
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,440
one can see from the videos available on the web,

805
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:08,079
all three buildings are completely motionless up to the moment

806
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,440
they begin to collapse. Second, if these huge buildings had

807
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,760
toppled over, they would have caused enormous death and destruction

808
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,360
in Lower Manhattan, but they came straight down. This straight

809
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,519
down collapse is the whole point of controlled implosion, which

810
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:28,800
only a few companies in the world are qualified to

811
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,400
pull off. Third, these buildings collapsed at virtually free fall speed,

812
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,320
which means that the lower floors, with all their steel

813
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,239
and concrete, were offering virtually no resistance. Fourth, as mentioned earlier,

814
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,280
these collapses were total collapses, resulting in piles of rubble

815
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,400
only a few stories high. This means that the enormous

816
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,119
steel columns in the core of each building had to

817
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,920
be broken into rather short segments, which is what explosives do. Fifth,

818
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,199
great quantities of mo and steel were produced, which means

819
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,320
that the steel had been heated up to several thousand degrees,

820
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,960
and witnesses during the cleanup reported that sometimes when a

821
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,519
piece of steel was lifted out of the rubble is

822
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:21,960
dripping molted. Sixth, according to many firefighters, medical workers, journalist,

823
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,639
and World Trade Center employees, many explosions went off both

824
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:33,039
before and during the collapses. For example, fire Captain Dennis Tardel,

825
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,679
speaking of the South Tower, said, I hear an explosion

826
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,039
and I look up, it as if the building is

827
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:43,159
being imploded from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom.

828
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:47,440
Firefighter Richard Minasinski said, it seemed like on television when

829
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,760
they blow up these buildings, it seemed like it was

830
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,800
going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

831
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,519
Thanks to the release in August of two thousand and

832
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,760
five of the oral histories recorded by the Fire Department

833
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
of New York shortly after nine to eleven, dozens of

834
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:08,079
testimony of this type are now available. I have published

835
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,400
an essay on them, which has included a forthcoming book

836
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,320
on nine to eleven in Christian Faith, along with a

837
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,800
lecture on the destruction of the World Trade Center, which

838
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,480
I am now summarizing. A seventh feature of controlled implosions

839
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,840
is the production of large quantities of dust. In the

840
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,519
case of the Twin Towers, virtually everything except the steel,

841
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,800
all the concrete, the deaths, the computers was pulverized into

842
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,880
very tiny dust particles.

843
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: The official story.

844
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: Cannot explain one, let alone all seven of these features,

845
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,920
at least, as Hoffman and Jones point out, without violating

846
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:51,920
several basic laws of physics. But the controlled demolition theory

847
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,639
easily explains all these features. These findings are inconsistent with

848
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,360
the idea that al Qaeda terris were responsible. Foreign terras

849
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,719
could not have gotten access to those buildings for all

850
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,159
the hours it would have taken to plant the explosives. Also,

851
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,480
Alcada terrace probably would not have had the courtesy to

852
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,000
make sure that the buildings came straight down rather than

853
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:22,679
toppling over. Territs working for the Bush Cheney administration, by contrast,

854
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,760
could have gotten such access. Given you're ahead of the heart.

855
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,719
They could have gotten such access, especially given the fact

856
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,039
that Marvin Bush and Wert Walker the Third, the President's

857
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:45,079
brother and cousin, respectively, were principles of the company in

858
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:50,639
charge of security for the World Trade Center. Another relevant

859
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,639
fact is that the evidence was destroyed. An examination of

860
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,039
the buildings steel beams and columns could have shown whether

861
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:01,840
explosives had been used to slight them, but virtually all

862
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,159
of the steel was removed before it could be properly investigated,

863
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,960
then put on ships to Asia to be melted down.

864
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,320
It is usually a federal offense to remove anything from

865
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,559
a crime scene, even a matchbook, but here the removal

866
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,480
of over one hundred tons of steel. The biggest destruction

867
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,000
of evidence in history was carried out under the supervision

868
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:27,000
of federal officials. Evidence was also apparently planted. The passport

869
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,800
of one of the hijackers on flight eleven was allegedly

870
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:39,000
found in the rebel having survived the fiery infernal I'm

871
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:48,039
not making this up. The passport had survived the not

872
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,840
only the fiery inferno caused by the airplane, but also

873
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,079
whatever caused everything else in these buildings to be pulverized

874
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:58,280
into tiny dust.

875
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: The magic passport.

876
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 4: To sum up, the idea that US officials have given

877
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,480
a satisfactory or even close to satisfactory explanation of the

878
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,840
collapse of the World Trade Center is a myth, and

879
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,039
these officials have implicitly admitted this by refusing to engage

880
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,159
in rational debate about it. Michael Newman, a spokesman for

881
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:31,159
a NIST, reportedly said during a recent interview that none

882
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,599
of the NISTS scientists would participate in any public debate

883
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,880
with scientists who reject their report. When Newman was asked

884
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,400
why NIST would avoid public debate if it had confidence

885
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,480
in its report, he replied, because there is no winning

886
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:55,199
in such debates. In the same interview, Newman had compared

887
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:58,559
people who reject the government's account of the collapses with

888
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,440
people who believe in book Bigfoot and a flat Earth.

889
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:05,760
And yet he fears that his scientists would not be

890
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,519
able to show up these fools in a public debate.

891
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,199
In any case, I come now to the final myth,

892
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,519
which is myth number nine. There is no doubt that

893
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,840
Flight seventy seven, under the control of Al Qaeda hijacker

894
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,960
Hani Honyur, struck the Pentagon. There, in fact, many reasons

895
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,159
to doubt this claim. We have, in the first place,

896
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,239
reasons to doubt that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon

897
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,599
was under the control of Hani Hanjour.

898
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,199
Speaker 3: For one thing, the.

899
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 4: Aircraft before striking the Pentagon reportedly executed a two hundred

900
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,960
and seventy degree downward spiral. And yet Hani Honyur was

901
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,920
known as a terrible pilot who could not safely fly

902
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,519
even a small plane. Russ Wittenberg, who flew large commercial

903
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:55,199
airliners for thirty five years after serving in Vietnam as

904
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:58,239
a fighter pilot, says that it would have been totally

905
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,280
impossible for an amateur who could even fly a Sesna

906
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,159
to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner. Moreover,

907
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,079
as a result of that very difficult maneuver, the Pentagon's

908
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:14,639
West wing was struck, but Terras brilliant enough to get

909
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,679
through the US military's defense system, would have known that

910
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:20,519
this was the worst place to strike for several reasons.

911
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,559
The west wing had been reinforced, so the damage was

912
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:26,159
less severe than a strike anywhere else would have been.

913
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,440
This wing was still being renovated, so relatively few people

914
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,800
were there. A strike anywhere else would have killed thousands

915
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,199
rather than one hundred and twenty five, and the Secretary

916
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,360
of Defense in all the top brasts whom Terrists would

917
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,639
presumably have wanted to kill were in the east wing.

918
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,960
Why would an Alcada pilot have executed a very difficult

919
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,679
maneuver to hit the west wing when he could have

920
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:54,639
simply crashed into the roof of the east wing. A

921
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:58,199
second major problem with the official story. There are reasons

922
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,320
to believe that the Pentagon was struck only because officials

923
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,840
at the Pentagon wanted it to be struck. For one thing,

924
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,960
Flight seventy seven, allegedly, after making a U turn in

925
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:13,159
the Midwest, flew back to Washington undetected for forty minutes,

926
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,960
and yet the US military, which by then clearly would

927
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,800
have known that hijacked airliners were being used as weapons.

928
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,800
As the best radar systems in the world, one of

929
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,760
which it brags, does not miss anything occurring in North

930
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,599
American airspace, the idea that a large airliner could.

931
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: Have slipped through is absurd.

932
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 4: Also, the Pentagon is surely the best defended building on

933
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,480
the planet. It is not only within the P fifty

934
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,840
six A restricted airspace that extends seventeen miles in all

935
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,440
directions from the Washington Monument, but also within the P

936
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,400
fifty six B airspace, the three mile altar restricted zone

937
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,519
above the White House, the Capitol, and the Pentagon. The

938
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,760
Pentagon is only a few miles from Andrews Air Force Base,

939
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,039
which has at least three squadrons with fighter jets on

940
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,559
alert at all times. The claim by the nine eleven Commission.

941
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: Report that no fighters were on alert the morning of

942
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:09,960
nine eleven.

943
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 4: Is wholly implausible, as I have explained in my book

944
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,800
on this subject. The Pentagon, moreover, is reportedly protected by

945
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,559
batteries of surface to air missiles, so if any aircraft

946
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:25,519
without a US military's transponder were to enter the Pentagon's

947
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,599
airspace it would be shot down. So even if the

948
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:32,960
aircraft that hit the Pentagon was Flight seventy seven, it

949
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,760
could have succeeded only because officials in the Pentagon turned

950
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,599
off their missiles, as well as ordering the fighters from

951
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,280
Andrews to stand down. A third major problem with the

952
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,559
official story is that there is considerable evidence it could

953
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:49,400
not have been Flight seventy seven because it was not

954
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,840
a Boeing seven fifty seven. For one thing, the strike

955
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,519
on the Pentagon, unlike the strikes on the Twin Towers,

956
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:01,480
did not create a detectable seismic signal. Also, according to

957
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,280
several witnesses and many people who have studied the available photographs,

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both the damage and the debris were inconsistent with a

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strike by a large air liner. That issue, however, is

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too complex to discuss here, as is the issue of

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what should be inferred from conflicting eye witness testimony. Deferring

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those topics to another time, I will conclude by pointing

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out that the suspicion that the Pentagon was not struck

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by a seven fifty seven, as the government claims, is

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supported by the fact that evidence was destroyed shortly after

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the strike. Government agents picked up debris and carried it off.

967
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Shortly thereafter, the entire lawn was covered with dirt and gravel,

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so that any remaining forensic evidence was literally covered up.

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Speaker 3: Also, the videos.

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Speaker 4: From security cameras on the nearby Citgo gas station and

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Sheraton Hotel, which would show what really hit the Pentagon,

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were a meet deeately confiscated by agents of the FBI,

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and the Department of Justice has to this day refused

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to release them. If these videos would prove that the

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Pentagon was really hit by a seven fifty seven, most

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of us would assume the government would release them. To conclude,

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it would seem, for many reasons that the official story

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of nine to eleven, which has served as a religious

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myth in the intervening years, is a myth in the

980
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pejority sense of a story that does not correspond with reality.

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One sign of that a story of a myth in

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this sense I have pointed out is that it cannot

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be rationally defended. The official story has never been publicly

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defended by any member of NIST, or of the nine

985
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,079
to eleven Commission, or of the Bush administration. After Charlie

986
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:54,679
Sheen had made public his skepticism about the official story.

987
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:59,639
CNN's Showbiz Tonight wanted to have a debate about the

988
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point he had raised between a representative of the government

989
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and a representative of nine eleven truth dot Org, but

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the report producers reportedly could find no member of the

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government willing to appear on the show. In this unwillingness

992
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of the government to appear on an entertainment to show

993
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to answer questions raised by an actor, we would seem

994
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to have the clearest possible sign that the government's story.

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Speaker 3: Is myth, not reality.

996
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 4: If so, we must demand that the government immediately cease

997
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implementing the policies that have been warranted by the official

998
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,000
account of nine to eleven. When what charges were brought

999
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:54,039
recently against members of Duke University's the Cross team, the

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president of the university immediately canceled all future games until

1001
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,480
the truth of the charges could be decided. But surely

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as serious as the charges against some members of this

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team are, the charges against the official story of nine

1004
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,840
to eleven are far more serious. For this story, serving

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,800
as a national religious myth, has been used to justify

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,360
two wars, which has cost many tens of thousands of

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01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,559
deaths to start a more general war on radical Islam,

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,239
in which Muslims around the world are now considered guilty

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01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,559
until proven innocent, to annul and violate civil rights, and

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01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:41,360
to increase our military spending, which was already greater than

1011
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,960
all the spending of the rest of the world together,

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01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,239
and yet now we've increased it by several more billions

1013
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,360
of dollars, much of this being used to put weapons

1014
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,840
in space. Congress needs to put the implementation of these

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policies on hold until there is a truly independent investigation

1016
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,719
carried out by qualified individuals who are not members of

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,960
the very circles that if nine to eleven truly was

1018
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a false flag operation planned, it carried it out and

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then covered it up. Thank you very much for your attention.

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Speaker 5: Several questions, in fact, are related to your own safety.

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,360
How concerned are you.

1022
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,239
Speaker 3: Not, because.

1023
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 4: Either they're going to me out or leave me alone.

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01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,039
If they leave me alone, I get to enjoy my

1025
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old age and write my systematic theology. If they take

1026
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:09,639
me out, my nine to eleven books go to the

1027
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number one spot on a full health.

1028
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Speaker 3: So it's a win win situation.

1029
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 7: Do you think you're being monitored?

1030
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Speaker 5: Asks one question, or do you think we have some

1031
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FBI agents in the room, guys.

1032
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Speaker 4: I hope so, because I've been told that there are

1033
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many people inside who would like to tell their story,

1034
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,719
but they know it'll be very dangerous for them if

1035
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they do, and certainly if they let anybody know in

1036
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,559
advance that they are going to. But what we're faced

1037
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:55,480
here with is so humongous. I mean, the very future,

1038
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,760
not only of our country, but of our planet is

1039
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at stake.

1040
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Speaker 3: So I would.

1041
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Speaker 4: Appeal to some people within the military, within the FBI,

1042
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within any branch of government, who knows the truth and

1043
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can really be a whistleblower, to come forward, take the risk,

1044
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even at the risk of your own life, for the

1045
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:16,720
good of the world.

1046
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Speaker 5: One question that says, it still seems difficult for me

1047
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to believe that the members of the nine to eleven commission,

1048
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democrats included, could be so managed by one person so

1049
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,159
as to hide all this evidence. How could that happen here?

1050
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,079
Speaker 3: These people were carefully selected.

1051
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Speaker 4: Lee Hamilton, for example, had experience on previous investigations. And

1052
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I'm not an expert on this, but you might bring

1053
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Peter Dale Scott to talk about this and the role

1054
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that Hamilton played in the Iran Contra investigation. And again

1055
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in my second book, The nine to eleven Commission Report,

1056
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Omissions and Distortions. In the final section I discussed the

1057
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various conflicts of interests that were in the commission. And furthermore,

1058
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remember the commissioners you saw on TV.

1059
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Speaker 3: They didn't do the work of the commission. The staff

1060
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of about.

1061
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Speaker 4: Eighty that zellacow ran did the work, and Zellikow, as

1062
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I say, decided which topics were worth investigating. So, for example,

1063
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when Jamie Gerrelliic was asked, why didn't you talk about

1064
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the war games, she said, we were told those weren't important,

1065
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,720
so we didn't look into them. Can you imagine how

1066
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,960
many things they were told were not important. There was

1067
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:48,840
no investigation at all of any of the aspects of

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the story that contradict of any of the evidence that

1069
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:58,800
contradict's official story. Commission did not say, Okay, what's the

1070
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,279
most plausible theory of that's what happened. They just accepted

1071
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the official story and looked at evidence relevant to that.

1072
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They didn't even raise the question of this alternative scenario

1073
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and ask what kind of evidence there was for that.

1074
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Now people say, look at the what a scholarly book.

1075
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,720
Look at all those notes in the back. You can

1076
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,359
go through all those notes. The first sign of a

1077
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:26,760
work of scholarship is a review of the relevant evidence.

1078
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,159
You will not find my books or any other critics

1079
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of the nine to eleven official story, our books, or

1080
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articles or websites.

1081
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Speaker 3: Mentioned in there.

1082
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Speaker 4: It's a total blackout of all contrary information.

1083
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Speaker 5: Of Solicitor General Olson's wife was on the plane that

1084
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hit the Pentagon?

1085
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Speaker 3: Do we know that?

1086
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Speaker 4: We all assume we were all taught. Of course, Barbara

1087
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also was on there because she made a cell phone

1088
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or an airphone call to her husband, ted Olsen. How

1089
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:06,560
do we know that? Only only we have ted Olsen's

1090
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,199
word for it. There is no confirmation that we've been

1091
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:17,680
given of any investigation of the phone records to suggests

1092
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:23,079
that such a call was even made. The bigger question here,

1093
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:25,680
you know, it would be, well, then if it wasn't

1094
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,840
flight seventy seven, what happened to flight seventy seven and.

1095
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 3: All the people on it?

1096
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: Well, there are many possible theories as to that, and

1097
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,439
I don't happen to have a particular theory, but there

1098
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:41,239
are all sorts of explanations. One was suggested on nine

1099
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:46,000
to eleven itself that an airliner had crashed near the Kentucky,

1100
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:50,680
Ohio border. Jane Garvey took that very seriously. Later it

1101
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,760
was said, oh, no, that was false. But maybe that

1102
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was true.

1103
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: We don't know.

1104
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Speaker 4: There are many other things that could have happened to

1105
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:02,119
the flight. My focus has been not on what really

1106
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:06,840
happened that day, but just on the many, many reasons

1107
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,479
to hold that the official story is not true. And

1108
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,039
what we need is an investigation. I would love to

1109
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:18,079
know where Barbara Holson went. I would love to know

1110
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:22,199
what really happened, and with the Pentagon and with the

1111
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:26,319
World Trade Center. What we need is a genuine investigation.

1112
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,119
You put people under oath, you use subpoenas, you use

1113
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,720
light detector tests, you do all the things you do

1114
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,920
in a real criminal investigation, all the things that were

1115
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,000
not done in this investigation. This investigation was a total farce.

1116
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 5: The next question is about your proposal for an official investigation,

1117
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,159
and he asks, so she asks, if this is conducted

1118
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:55,239
as you recommend this investigation, how could it be implemented

1119
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:58,159
in light and view of the obstacles that will be

1120
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placed by the administration.

1121
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 4: There are many possibilities one would be a citizens investigation.

1122
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:15,199
Get some very distinguished citizens, you know, of the Jimmy

1123
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:21,960
Carter type at stature. Get some real scientists who are

1124
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,680
not on the payroll and whose companies are not dependent

1125
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,960
upon government contracts.

1126
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Speaker 3: That's possible now.

1127
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,159
Speaker 4: That could be done within our country. It could be

1128
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:37,600
done within North America, our country and Canada, and in

1129
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:44,239
particular it could be done in the Western hemisphere. We

1130
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:48,119
hear tell that Venezuela is getting very interested in carrying

1131
01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:56,800
out an investigation. There's been talk about a European or

1132
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,640
an international commission. I hope there are some people in

1133
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,640
this room today who might have the vision and the

1134
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:11,199
wherewithal and the energy to organize and perhaps fund such

1135
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,600
a commission. By the way, one other thing that would

1136
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,680
you know, I mean, it would be the obvious thing

1137
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,000
would be it would be good if Congress would do this.

1138
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 3: But of course they did.

1139
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 4: Their little joint inquiry, and then they realized they really

1140
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,199
couldn't do it. They got intimidated by the FBI, and

1141
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:31,920
they passed it on then to the nine to eleven Commission,

1142
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:38,319
which did a worse job than the Joint Inquiry did. So,

1143
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,319
I mean, we learned a few interesting real facts from

1144
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:46,319
the Joint inquiry. So thus far there are no signs

1145
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:50,479
that Congress will act, whether to do their own investigation

1146
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,079
or appoint a special prosecutor. That would be a way

1147
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:59,079
to do this, but it's there are a few signs

1148
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:02,239
that that will happens. So it'll probably be more fruitful

1149
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,880
to focus on some sort of citizens committee, national or international.

1150
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 5: The Pearl Harbor attack, there was a real enemy and

1151
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,399
if that was facilitated, well, there was a real enemy

1152
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,479
to chase. Is it your opinion that there is now

1153
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,600
a new real enemy?

1154
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 4: This is the big difference between the new Pearl Harbor

1155
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and the old Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt believe the United States

1156
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had to get into World War Two? Robert, is it

1157
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,199
Stinnett or Stinett Stanette? Does he happen to be here?

1158
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,399
I think he's right. And in the meantime, some more

1159
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,720
people have written evidence about this. If you look at

1160
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,479
Steven Snegowski, google him and you'll find even more information

1161
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:02,399
about the original Pearl Harbor. In any case, let us

1162
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,279
assume this is true, that Sennett and these others are right,

1163
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,560
that Roosevelt knew that Pearl Harbor was coming, and even

1164
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,680
to some extent maneuvered the Japanese into the attack, and

1165
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,840
roughly three thousand people were killed, mainly military people. In

1166
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:26,640
this case, many people looking back would say, you know,

1167
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,119
eighty percent of the people that's those are the numbers

1168
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:33,319
we get were again skidding in the war, and that

1169
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Roosevelt believed emphatically that it.

1170
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Speaker 3: Was necessary.

1171
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Speaker 4: To protect American interest, no doubt that was number one,

1172
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:45,920
but also for the good of the world as a whole,

1173
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:50,920
to stop the Japanese and fascist alliance.

1174
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Speaker 3: In the present case, we have a fabricated enemy.

1175
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Speaker 4: Some of you seen The Power of Night gives an

1176
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,079
inkling about that. Nothing like the whole story, but some

1177
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very important information. The question about what it was, and

1178
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certainly what is the present relation between the Bush administration

1179
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and al Qaeda, I don't know, but there is reason

1180
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to believe that the working relationship they had during the

1181
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Afghanistan war was never severed. So if that's the case,

1182
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this is completely an artificial enemy. Now many people say, Okay,

1183
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,000
they were working together at one time and then Osama

1184
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,920
bin Laden got really ticked off at us and decided

1185
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to attack us. That's possible, but it's also possible.

1186
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Speaker 3: That that's all part of the official story, particularly when

1187
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you hear that.

1188
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Speaker 4: Osama was in the hospital in Dubai being treated by

1189
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an American doctor there and visited by the local CIA

1190
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agent in the summer of two thousand and one, when

1191
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Osama bin Laden was already supposedly America's most wanted criminal.

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Speaker 5: Since so many people have an emotional investment in what

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they believe America to be and stand for in the world,

1194
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,600
do you think we, as a people in a country

1195
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,399
have any substantial hope or interest in reconciling the truth

1196
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,039
with our own self image.

1197
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 4: That is an excellent question, and it really gets to

1198
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,920
the crux of the matter for many people, and the

1199
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:43,439
difficulty of getting the story out. I have a theological

1200
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:49,640
friend in the UK who early on said, well, he

1201
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,359
read my book and the evidence is completely persuasive, but

1202
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,560
he just refuses to believe it because he says, there

1203
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,399
just must be some end to.

1204
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,359
Speaker 3: American duplicity.

1205
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:07,399
Speaker 4: Now, that's a different attitude than the one we're talking

1206
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:11,520
about here, that is Americans themselves. I grew up a patriot.

1207
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,000
I think most of us probably grew up as patriots,

1208
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:20,039
and patriotism meant believing your country was good. This is

1209
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:23,920
the myth that has been inculcated that America always does right,

1210
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,560
or if we do wrong, it's just a mistake or

1211
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,800
a few bad apples. So to believe that the system

1212
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:37,359
has become so corrupt that criminals willing to do this

1213
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,920
sort of thing are in charge of the White House

1214
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:43,279
and the various branches.

1215
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 3: The FBI, CIA, and Justice.

1216
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 4: Department and so on, and that the Congress is either

1217
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:55,600
complicit or too cowardly to do anything, and it still

1218
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:00,239
remains an open question. I think about the Supreme Court. Well,

1219
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:05,319
these are very troubling thoughts. And one person wrote in

1220
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:12,359
response to a story about me, the only positive story

1221
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:15,520
that's appeared in the mainstream press about my work was

1222
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,279
in the La Times magazine Sunday magazine, and someone wrote

1223
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:25,560
in saying, well, the evidence is completely persuasive that Griffin presents,

1224
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:28,640
but that America will not believe it because it just

1225
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,840
runs too contrary to our myth and the idea of

1226
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,640
this kind of conspiracy and cover up is just too frightening,

1227
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:41,760
and so we will find some way not.

1228
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 3: To believe it.

1229
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,039
Speaker 4: And I'm afraid that may be the truth. But I'm

1230
01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:50,239
actually more optimistic than that. I think the people can

1231
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,199
stand to know the truth, want to know the truth,

1232
01:20:53,560 --> 01:21:09,239
and will rally when there is an opportunity.

1233
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 8: Something came to my mind the other day when we

1234
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:17,560
saw Andrew Card resign and or jump off the sinking ship,

1235
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,439
whatever you want to say. I've always thought, looking at

1236
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:26,000
that very very famous footage of him bending over and

1237
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:30,119
whispering into the ear of President Bush in that Florida classroom,

1238
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,840
I've always thought that what he said was.

1239
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 7: Everything's going according to plans, sir. It's the only thing that.

1240
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 8: Makes sense looking at his faith for Bush's faith, how

1241
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,279
do you account for the fact that there are so

1242
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,760
many holes in the official story. Surely they would have

1243
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,520
planned the cover story while planning the attack. They want

1244
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,600
us to uncover the truth for some other reason.

1245
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 4: That's a good question, and I devoted quite a bit

1246
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,880
of space to it in the New Pearl Harbor because

1247
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,119
I point out there are so many things that are

1248
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:22,800
just so obviously problematic. But one answer is that you know,

1249
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,399
when you look at the war in Iraq, these guys

1250
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:39,760
are not geniuses. Now, there is a very frightening possibility

1251
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,920
which is yes, indeed, they do want Americans to know

1252
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,720
and know that they know we know and that there's

1253
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,960
nothing we can do about it, and that they're in control.

1254
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,239
Speaker 3: I hope that is not the case, but it well

1255
01:22:58,279 --> 01:22:58,680
could be.

1256
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 4: And people ask me if this stuff keeps me awake

1257
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:08,880
at night, that that possibility does.

1258
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:09,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

1259
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,399
Speaker 8: Is anything known about the placement of explosives in the

1260
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,960
World Trade Center buildings and their ignition?

1261
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:31,319
Speaker 4: Both Jim Hoffman, whom I believe is here and Stephen Jones,

1262
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:38,960
physicists at BYU who's I think there was a film

1263
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,000
with him in it, and he has now he has

1264
01:23:43,039 --> 01:23:46,680
written a lecture which has gotten a lot of circulation

1265
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,439
called why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?

1266
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,279
Both Huffman and Jones have discussed this issue. Of course,

1267
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:02,640
would not know exactly, I mean, we won't know until

1268
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:03,560
the truth comes.

1269
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Out exactly what happened.

1270
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,520
Speaker 4: But there are plausible scenarios not very difficult actually to

1271
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,520
figure out as to where the explosives would have to

1272
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,600
be placed in order to slice, say, you know, all

1273
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:24,359
the forty seven cord columns. And evidently it wouldn't take

1274
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:28,039
an enormous amount a number of explosives. Jones at least

1275
01:24:28,039 --> 01:24:31,359
suggests it take quite quite a bit fewer than I

1276
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:35,520
had originally thought so that it wouldn't literally take thousands

1277
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,039
of hours to plant all these.

1278
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:43,119
Speaker 8: What about the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. Several of

1279
01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:47,079
my family members work for the NSA, and they say

1280
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:48,079
it was shot down.

1281
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 4: I left ninety three out tonight because I thought you

1282
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,159
might want to get home before midnight.

1283
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 3: A man appreciates that good.

1284
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,239
Speaker 4: But I devoted quite a bit of time to it,

1285
01:25:06,319 --> 01:25:09,000
both in the New Pearl Harbor and in the second book.

1286
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:16,880
It certainly does appear that the US military shot it down.

1287
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,119
I mean, there's an enormous amount of evidence that it did.

1288
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:24,479
And it appears that one of the motives for lying

1289
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,800
about when Cheney went down below is to make it

1290
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,239
appear that he could have not possibly given the shootdown order.

1291
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,800
That is, everybody knows it was Cheney who gave the

1292
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,560
shootdown order. Now there's been the controversy did he get

1293
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,560
the permission from the President, And of course they say

1294
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,520
he did, and even the nine to eleven Commission express

1295
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:52,159
skepticism about that. But that aside, everybody knows that Cheney

1296
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:54,680
gave the order. So then the question is when did

1297
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,239
he give the order. Every story prior to the nine

1298
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:01,840
to eleven commission report said that he gave it several

1299
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:12,039
minutes before ten o'clock, and flight ninety three was shot

1300
01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:16,319
down at ten oh three, according to the government's theory

1301
01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:21,600
a little later, trying to seismic records, Richard Clark, for example,

1302
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,399
had said in his book Against All Enemies, that he

1303
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,680
was amazed when he asked for shootdown authorization how quickly

1304
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,119
it came from Cheney. And Clark gives the impression it

1305
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:37,720
came about nine five, and he says definitely before the plane.

1306
01:26:38,079 --> 01:26:42,600
The President's plane took off at nine fifty. And then

1307
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:48,800
we have reports that jets were sent by the head

1308
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,119
of Needs, Nora Ads in the in the northeast section.

1309
01:26:54,279 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 3: And told to shoot the flight down.

1310
01:26:56,119 --> 01:27:00,199
Speaker 4: We have a pilot who said he heard a room

1311
01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:03,640
from his other people in the military that the military

1312
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,319
had shot down an aircraft. People at the site gave

1313
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:10,399
all sorts of evidence that would suggest the plane had

1314
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:15,039
been down, probably by a missile, and so on. But

1315
01:27:15,079 --> 01:27:18,239
the nine to eleven commission said that Cheney didn't get

1316
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:23,880
down to the underground bunker until almost ten o'clock, and

1317
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:28,079
then by the time he gave the shootdown authorisation it

1318
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:31,880
was after ten ten, so that at least seven minutes

1319
01:27:32,079 --> 01:27:36,680
had gone by after the flight had already crashed. So

1320
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:40,760
the logic is Cheney the military could not possibly have

1321
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,680
shot it down. But this is one of the most

1322
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:49,479
obvious lies in the commission report. Everything, including Cheney himself,

1323
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,319
indicated that he was down there long before that. And

1324
01:27:53,399 --> 01:27:57,439
it's just amazing, or it ought to be amazing, that

1325
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,800
our mainstream press won't even point out that most obvious

1326
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,439
lie in the commission's report. Of course, another question is

1327
01:28:07,039 --> 01:28:09,640
why would why if the military shot the plane down,

1328
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:13,319
why are they lying about it and saying they didn't.

1329
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:16,359
Why didn't they claim, well, here when we got an

1330
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,159
sufficient notification, we did our job, so see we were

1331
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:25,880
trying to protect Washington. This is one of the big

1332
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:32,560
mysteries why they didn't take credit for it and uh

1333
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,279
and lied about it. There are various theories about why

1334
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,199
this happened, and some of them are plausible, but I

1335
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:42,760
don't know for sure. One other thing happened recently, by

1336
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,640
the way, there was an envoy to to Canada and

1337
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:55,479
talking to the Canadians about supporting America with with regard

1338
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,000
to going all the way with the new plans for

1339
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:06,079
Nora ad and this speaker to try to instill pride

1340
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:10,520
in the Canadians, said well, you know, it was a

1341
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,119
Canadian who gave the order to shoot down Flight ninety

1342
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:19,079
three on September eleventh. So little bits of the truth

1343
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:20,880
do come out here and there it appears.

1344
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,159
Speaker 8: What do you think is the best response to the

1345
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:32,399
phrase conspiracy theory?

1346
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,159
Speaker 4: Well, the quickest one is that the government's theory was

1347
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,199
the original conspiracy theory.

1348
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 3: About nine to eleven.

1349
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 4: And it's very interesting that both President Bush and Philip

1350
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:54,039
Zellikow use the identical words, telling people do not fall

1351
01:29:54,119 --> 01:30:00,640
for outrageous conspiracy theories. But it's interesting to think about.

1352
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,720
And you know, what would be an outrageous conspiracy theory.

1353
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,800
It can't just be any conspiracy theory, since the government's

1354
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,720
theory is a conspiracy theory according to which nineteen era Muslims,

1355
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,520
under the inspiration of some have bin Laden, conspired to

1356
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:15,800
do all these things.

1357
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: So what's an outrageous one.

1358
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know, if you think about these things in

1359
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:25,680
terms of the philosophy of science, a you know, you

1360
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,039
have good theories and bad theories. There's nothing wrong with

1361
01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:33,600
a theory. You know, quantum theory is considered rather respectable.

1362
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:39,039
And yet it's a theory. So and there's nothing wrong

1363
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:43,359
with conspiracy theories. We all believe hundreds of conspiracy theories.

1364
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:46,279
Every day you read the newspaper, read about you know.

1365
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:49,000
It's just when two or three people conspire in secret

1366
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:53,319
to do something immoral or illegal, that's a conspiracy. And

1367
01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:56,319
so our newspapers are full of those from robbing the

1368
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:03,239
local seven and eleven to inrun conspire to cheat its investors.

1369
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,960
So there must be something that makes something an outrageous

1370
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:13,039
conspiracy theory. Well, in philosseph science, a good theory is

1371
01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:16,239
one that can take account of all the relevant facts

1372
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:22,199
in a self consistent way. A bad theory is one

1373
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:27,199
that is inconsistent with some of the relevant facts. An

1374
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:31,000
outrageous theory would be one that is inconsistent with all

1375
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:34,680
the relevant facts. And that's the official theory about nine

1376
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:35,039
to eleven.

1377
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,159
Speaker 8: Why have none of the four or possibly eight black

1378
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:48,720
boxes on the hijacked planes been revealed to the public.

1379
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 4: I think that was a rhetorical question, So he probably

1380
01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:01,560
doesn't move on these black boxes. Could just review all

1381
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,760
sorts of things that contradict the official story. So we're

1382
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,239
not going to see these black boxes anymore than we're

1383
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:10,560
going to see the videos from the Pentagon.

1384
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,159
Speaker 8: Please comment on the allegations of wargames in progress on

1385
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:22,800
nine to eleven involving simulated hijackings, as confirmed by Rumsfeld

1386
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:25,520
to representative Maxine Waters.

1387
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,079
Speaker 4: People involved in the nine to eleven Truth movement tend

1388
01:32:33,079 --> 01:32:36,920
to some of us are generalists, but even generalists have

1389
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,479
to specialize in certain things. And I have followed the

1390
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:47,880
discussion of the wargames with interest, and at the time

1391
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,520
Mike Rupert wrote his book, I think he was talking

1392
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:57,000
about four wargames going on, and now Paul Thompson and

1393
01:32:57,039 --> 01:32:59,800
Matt Everett have suggested I believe.

1394
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 3: They're up to nine.

1395
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 4: Now. I have not thus far been convinced that we

1396
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,239
should say that what happened on nine to eleven was

1397
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:16,119
not a standdown, what was rather confusion caused by these

1398
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:20,560
war games and planes being out of town and all

1399
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:24,960
these blips on the computers and so on. It's possible,

1400
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:27,199
but I haven't seen the need for it yet, and

1401
01:33:27,239 --> 01:33:30,119
so I'm still just an old fashioned standdown guy.

1402
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,399
Speaker 8: Why is the theologian one of the primary speakers for

1403
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,479
this cause? Do you feel you see any religious or

1404
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:51,600
spiritual implications for nine to eleven, and what are they?

1405
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,279
Speaker 4: Why is a theologian speaking about that. I didn't have

1406
01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:03,600
anything else to do. What we theologians are supposed to

1407
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:09,319
be doing is trying to imagine and speak about the

1408
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:13,000
world from the divine point of view. And if the

1409
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:18,039
religions of the world are basically correct, the Vine is

1410
01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:22,520
the creator and lover of all peoples, in fact, all creatures,

1411
01:34:23,279 --> 01:34:25,880
and cares about the good of the world, the long

1412
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,159
term good of the world. And wouldn't want people producing

1413
01:34:33,119 --> 01:34:37,920
nuclear wars that would decimate all life on the planet.

1414
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: Wouldn't want the.

1415
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,359
Speaker 4: Global warming to continue continue after thirty years after we've

1416
01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:51,319
known about it thirty five years now about the ecological crisis.

1417
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:58,159
Wouldn't want all these things. So I'm convinced that this administration,

1418
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,560
as was said earlier tonight, is the most dangerous administration

1419
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:10,119
we have ever had it for the future of this country.

1420
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,199
Speaker 3: And the future of the world.

1421
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 4: And if trying to save God's planet is not a

1422
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,520
religious issue, I wouldn't know what was.

1423
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:26,239
Speaker 3: Thank you for the question.

1424
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,399
Speaker 8: There are only a few demolition companies that could have

1425
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,920
pulled off a controlled demolition of the towers.

1426
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,520
Speaker 7: Have they been investigated and.

1427
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:43,199
Speaker 8: Individual workers sought out who might have been involved in

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the packing or placing of the explosives beforehand.

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Speaker 3: Of course, not.

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Speaker 4: Controlled demolition. That company, which is one of the few

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companies in the world authorized to do controlled implosions, was

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brought in to do the cleanup for the World Trade Center.

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I understand, made quite a tidy profit on it. Tighty

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not tiny. It's very interesting Marcloiseau. The President did an

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interview recently in New Scientists magazine, and some very damning

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stuff in there. Inadvertently. He explains that to make a

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building come down in that way, straight down, so no

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other buildings are destroyed, it takes enormous planning, he says.

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He spends, you know, hundreds of hours when it's a

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big building, scoping it out, taking pictures, going back again.

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He says, the explosives have to be placed just right

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and in precisely the right order in order to bring

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the building straight down. But then he says, oh, but

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of course the World Trade Center buildings were brought down

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by fire.

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Speaker 7: I agree with all you said. What do we do now?

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A plan? A revolution?

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Speaker 8: B nonviolent resistance like Gandhi c move to another country,

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they have the President, Congress, courts, military, CIA, NSA, Homeland security, industry, media, etc.

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Speaker 7: We have what.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have each other, and we have the truth

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for starters. And of the three options, I would say

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A and B. Both of them plan the revolution and

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nonviolent resistance. I gave a talk recently in Santa Barbara,

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which was actually the first talk I gave specifically as

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a Christian theologian speaking on this issue.

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Speaker 3: To fellow Christians.

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Speaker 4: And in that talk as well as in the book,

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I mentioned that it's coming out on nine to eleven

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in Christian faith, I suggest that what we need within

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the Christian Church in this country is an anti imperial movement,

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and now tonight I would expand that and say that Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists,

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ethical humanists, human beings should form an anti imperial movement,

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because that's what, as I tried to make clear, nine

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to eleven was all about, a means to increase the empire.

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And so we do need a revolution, a nonviolent revolution,

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and against American imperialism before it's too late.

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Speaker 7: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts,

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