Speaker 1: We're Tom A Lorendo and this is the Pop Style
Speaker 1: Opinion Fest. HELLOQ is welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: the PSO. I am the Tea and you're Telo Tom Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: and I'm here with the Low and your te Lo
Speaker 1: Lorenzo because my lovely husband. It is a very eventful week.
Speaker 1: Much to discuss. I'm just gonna warn y' all, well,
Speaker 1: it's probably in the title. We never know what the
Speaker 1: title of the podcast is going to be until after
Speaker 1: we recorded, but I'm pretty sure Kamala's name is going
Speaker 1: to be in the title. So yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: speak about the historic week that we just had and
Speaker 1: a bit about Kamala Harris's presidency. As you know, we
Speaker 1: don't as you might know, we do not engage in
Speaker 1: a lot of political discussion. We do some stuff on
Speaker 1: our social media, but even then that's exceedingly rare and
Speaker 1: we try and keep it off our site. And that's
Speaker 1: largely because one thing we've learned in the last eight years,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Trump presidency and the you know,
Speaker 1: lockdown for COVID and just all the political upheaval and
Speaker 1: social upheaval of the list eight years, is we've learned
Speaker 1: that our role, more than ever is to be a
Speaker 1: respite from those things, is to be a place where
Speaker 1: people can go to get away from all the screaming
Speaker 1: and the yelling. On the other hand, yeah, we're talking
Speaker 1: and moving everything on the table because our twenty two
Speaker 1: pound cat just jumped up tab Hunter. Now he's ready
Speaker 1: to let his opinions be known. Anyway, we try and
Speaker 1: keep everything away from the political sphere, although we're not
Speaker 1: a political at all as to gay men in America,
Speaker 1: we're going to have opinions about where politics is heading.
Speaker 1: And of course, so here's the deal. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about Kamala for the next probably ten minutes or so.
Speaker 1: I'm not really going to sit here and get too
Speaker 1: far into electoral politics and that sort of thing. I
Speaker 1: want to talk a bit about semiotics, a bit about
Speaker 1: her style, a bit about the celebrity response to it.
Speaker 1: So that's all within our sphere. But i will say
Speaker 1: I'm not part of my language. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be a pussy about this. I will say the reason
Speaker 1: we feel strongly about Kamala Harris's campaign is because our
Speaker 1: rights are on the line, and the rights of our
Speaker 1: sisters and our nieces and every woman we know, every
Speaker 1: person of color that we know, And to quote Taraji
Speaker 1: p Hens and go Google Project twenty twenty five if
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about it. Donald Trump is seventy
Speaker 1: seven years old, and he has chosen us as running
Speaker 1: made a thirty nine year old man who believes that
Speaker 1: progressive people are not human literally quoting him, would like
Speaker 1: to get rid of gay marriage, would like to arrest
Speaker 1: women for crossing straight line state lines.
Speaker 2: He's a monster.
Speaker 3: And if he's a younger version of no, he's.
Speaker 2: Much worse than Trump. He's much, much, much worse than Trump.
Speaker 1: And Trump is the oldest nominee in the history of
Speaker 1: our country now and there's a good likelihood that if
Speaker 1: Trump were elected, we would be looking at president Vance
Speaker 1: in the space of two to three years and then
Speaker 1: it's all over for us.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So yes, I do feel strongly about this.
Speaker 1: And yes, you can come at me from the left
Speaker 1: and say, you know, Biden is problematic or Kamala is
Speaker 1: a cop, or we can talk about the problematic response
Speaker 1: the administra has had to things like Gaza. I understand,
Speaker 1: I truly do. But if there's anything I hope the
Speaker 1: left has learned in the last eight years, and I
Speaker 1: do the response to Kamala's announcement has given me some
Speaker 1: hope is that a presidential election is not about voting
Speaker 1: for your dream candidate or voting for the person that's
Speaker 1: going to check off everything on your list, because it's impossible.
Speaker 1: It is a administrative position over three hundred million people.
Speaker 1: So there's going to be broad, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: broad electoral points that they that you may not agree with,
Speaker 1: and the point is that you have to just suck
Speaker 1: it up. People do not like hearing the idea that
Speaker 1: you should be voting for the.
Speaker 2: Lesser of two evils or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I've been voting for forty years and
Speaker 1: every bin that's every presidential election. That's the way that
Speaker 1: that works. If you want real change, you got to
Speaker 1: do that on the school board level.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that we're even having the discussion. It's
Speaker 3: not about the actual candidate. It's about you know, what
Speaker 3: they're going to bring and do I look at the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court now, I mean, it's not about Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: a monster and I can't stand him, and I'll do
Speaker 3: everything in my power to make sure he doesn't get
Speaker 3: elected again and and yes, I am the vote, you know.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I have my criticisms of you know, Biden,
Speaker 3: as you said, and Kamala yes, and it wasn't happy
Speaker 3: with her a whole immigration thing. But at the same
Speaker 3: time I felt like she was pushed and she didn't
Speaker 3: know how to react and react badly. But you the
Speaker 3: bottom line, and we have no choice. We have no choice.
Speaker 3: I will vote for a donkey before I vote for Trump.
Speaker 3: That's the bottom line here.
Speaker 1: I said we weren't going to get into electoral stuff,
Speaker 1: and we got straight into it, I know, but I did.
Speaker 2: I want to just you know, set that out there.
Speaker 1: We don't do these sorts of discussions too often, but
Speaker 1: if we're going to do it, I'm going to say
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say, and that is that you
Speaker 1: people on the left need to understand that when you
Speaker 1: vote for a president, you're not voting for your best friend.
Speaker 1: I remember back during the Clinton Bill Clinton, the whole thing,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that was coming up about Monica Lewinsky
Speaker 1: and all that back in the day. And let me
Speaker 1: just say, at the time, none of us knew how
Speaker 1: bad of a sexual predator.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton was.
Speaker 1: But at the time I remember saying something that in
Speaker 1: that context I don't think is all that great, But
Speaker 1: in an overall presidential context, I still stand by that.
Speaker 1: I feel like the president of the United States is
Speaker 1: like the president of my bank. I don't really need
Speaker 1: to love them. I don't need to know that much
Speaker 1: about them, except I need to know that they're going
Speaker 1: to broadly, they're going to take care of me, take
Speaker 1: care of me. You know that they're not going to
Speaker 1: actively try to hurt me. And that's that's how I've
Speaker 1: always approached every presidential I don't need Bill Clinton famously said,
Speaker 1: and he was right. Republicans fall in line and Democrats
Speaker 1: fall in love, and and that's always been I think
Speaker 1: part of our downfall is that if we don't completely love, love,
Speaker 1: love our candidate, we have a really hard time getting
Speaker 1: behind them. And you saw that in the nineties. You
Speaker 1: saw that with the Clintons. Believe it or not, they
Speaker 1: were beloved by the by Democrats for a while, and
Speaker 1: then you saw that with the Obamas. But then you
Speaker 1: didn't see that with Biden because it's not the kind
Speaker 1: of he's not the kind of person that people are
Speaker 1: going to completely get excited about. And now you're seeing
Speaker 1: it again with Kamalo. You're seeing this.
Speaker 2: Huge ground of support. I have no idea the polling
Speaker 2: is too early. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would never ever, ever, but it's believed that.
Speaker 1: There's going to be some sort of you know, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's not going it's still going to be tight.
Speaker 3: I know. I will only believe anything the morning after.
Speaker 3: You know that. That's how I write, That's how I
Speaker 3: is with me. But I'm excited to see the excitement.
Speaker 3: I mean on TikTok, her pr team is doing a
Speaker 3: good job.
Speaker 2: They're doing a spectacular job.
Speaker 3: She's all over TikTok. The celebrity supporting her, which I
Speaker 3: think is great. Beyonce, it just you know, said yes
Speaker 3: you can use my freedom song. I mean, that's major.
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about celebrity stuff. This is what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we did get into the electoral stuff,
Speaker 1: but I did want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the fashion and the celebrity stuff. First off, this Kamala's
Speaker 1: candidacy probably came about largely because George Clooney got pissed off.
Speaker 1: And I have to say that at the time and
Speaker 1: even now, I had some issues with that. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't really like big Hollywood actors determining what direction
Speaker 1: our elections should go in. In the end, I think
Speaker 1: George Clooney will probably be proven right. Everyone's really mad
Speaker 1: at him right now, and I feel like saying, this
Speaker 1: is not a Susan Sarandon thing. I mean, he is
Speaker 1: supporting the party. He is, but he just couldn't support
Speaker 1: that candidate. But I think it's interesting how much of
Speaker 1: a celebrity response has come. You know, celebrities always come
Speaker 1: out in favor of Democrats, mostly in favor of Democrats,
Speaker 1: and some in favor of Republicans. I mean, Trump has
Speaker 1: his people on his side, Kid Rock, but I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a fervor this year.
Speaker 2: There was the there was a.
Speaker 1: White Woman for Kamala Zoom call last night with like
Speaker 1: Tonnie Britten and Pink and Glennon doylety author and apparently
Speaker 1: there was over one hundred and thirty six thousand women
Speaker 1: on the call.
Speaker 2: It broke Zoom.
Speaker 1: It broke records and it raised I think since the
Speaker 1: since the announcement, the record that's been record breaking fundraising
Speaker 1: like two hundred and twenty million dollars. So the excitements
Speaker 1: there I also want to note again back taking it
Speaker 1: back to celebrities, Jennifer Anison came out this week and
Speaker 1: she's a political for the most part, and she was
Speaker 1: pissed because of those JD Vance comments about childless cat ladies.
Speaker 1: And let me just go back that JD. Vans also
Speaker 1: wants to outlaw IBF, so like, yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean loser ass whole wizard, which I'm happy that
Speaker 1: people are starting to realize it.
Speaker 3: And attack him, not just Trump, but also attack him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's likely to be the next president after Trump,
Speaker 1: because Trump is likely not to live out his term.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I wasn't even thinking, oh, we all got.
Speaker 1: To think that, I know, And that's part exactly. This
Speaker 1: is going to take me back to a point about Comwo.
Speaker 1: As a Democrat this I never felt like she was
Speaker 1: being appointed or that this was some sort of coronation
Speaker 1: because when I voted for Biden, I voted.
Speaker 2: Given his age.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, he's likely to die in office,
Speaker 1: which means I'm pretty much voting for her. So when
Speaker 1: they slotted her in after he stepped out to me,
Speaker 1: and it seems to me like most of the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party is responding in the same way. We're fine with this.
Speaker 1: This is kind of what we wanted.
Speaker 3: Actually, now that she has some experience in and.
Speaker 1: Why now, Yeah, I mean, anyone who was saying a
Speaker 1: vice president, former senator, former attorney general. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're trying to claim that she doesn't have expect you're racist.
Speaker 1: Guess what you are? You're racist at your besides, you're
Speaker 1: an asshole.
Speaker 3: Also, she's qualified. It's ridiculous. JD.
Speaker 2: Vans wrote a book Okay.
Speaker 1: Great, yeah, yeah, and went.
Speaker 3: To Yale or whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh okay.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting that Jennifer Ansa came
Speaker 1: out and she was very angry about this and made
Speaker 1: a point. And I said to you, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to push too much on
Speaker 1: celebrities because I think it's I think it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's you wind up putting your your faith
Speaker 1: in people that you probably shouldn't put your faith in,
Speaker 1: and and celebrities are uh flighty and you know that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. However, I feel like I will be
Speaker 1: very disappointed at Beyonce Adie and Taylor Swift don't actually
Speaker 1: come out and say something Beyonce, because I mean Beyonce
Speaker 1: is like the queen of black women in America. There's
Speaker 1: just there's no one who elevates black women more culturally
Speaker 1: than Beyonce. And here you have the first black woman
Speaker 1: running for the presidency and a major party ticket, and
Speaker 1: she could actually win. So it's not my place as
Speaker 1: a white man to say this, but I'm like, oh, Beyonce,
Speaker 1: please tell me you're gonna, I don't know, show up
Speaker 1: at the convention or something. Similarly, Taylor Swift is the
Speaker 1: queen of childless cat ladies. I mean literally the queen
Speaker 1: of it. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way.
Speaker 1: She is all about living that single life and loving
Speaker 1: her cats. And she is the most important cultural figure
Speaker 1: in the world right now, regardless of what else you
Speaker 1: may think about Taylor. So again, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I need you both to step up because not just
Speaker 1: because you're the two most important cultural figures in the world,
Speaker 1: but this this campaign actually intersects with both of your
Speaker 1: personas in very powerful ways.
Speaker 3: I I hope we get the support of both of them,
Speaker 3: like vocal and public a concert.
Speaker 2: We'll see something.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is that it's time to vote for
Speaker 3: a woman you know.
Speaker 2: She thinks people are realizing.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, and and I'm not saying you
Speaker 3: should vote for a woman just because Kamala is a woman.
Speaker 1: Now it's a capable you know. Well, I saw great
Speaker 1: tweet Twitter. I don't know who she's who was she said,
Speaker 1: I'm not voting for Kamla because she's a woman. I'm
Speaker 1: voting for Kamla because I'm a woman.
Speaker 2: And that's that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and yeah, that's it. That's it for women.
Speaker 1: I think you have to you don't vote for it,
Speaker 1: but simply because of her gender, you're voting because your
Speaker 1: gender is under so much much hack by her bonus, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I also just feel.
Speaker 1: You know, Jesus Christ, it is embarrassing that we've never
Speaker 1: had a woman pressent. Frankly, I'm embarrassed. I'm justus that
Speaker 1: this country is so backwards about that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But regardless, I'm not making some sort of DEI you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying about for as simply because she's a woman,
Speaker 1: or simply because she's biracial or you know, black or
Speaker 1: Asian or whatever. I think those are as with all
Speaker 1: diversity initiatives and there's value in that. There is value
Speaker 1: in that and having a woman in the in the
Speaker 1: oval office and having a person of color in the
Speaker 1: because new perspectives, diverse perspectives always have value. This is
Speaker 1: what anti DEI people don't understand. But I'm not making
Speaker 1: the argument that she should be.
Speaker 2: Voted for because of those reasons.
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is that if you're not a
Speaker 3: white straight man, there is no reason for you to
Speaker 3: vote for Trump. That's that's that's well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope white straight men would understand that.
Speaker 3: I know, but my point is that he only upholds
Speaker 3: those people exactly. That's my point. Yeah, that's the people,
Speaker 3: uh that matter too? Yeah, nobody else matters. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's there's.
Speaker 2: A lot on the line.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, with all the energy going
Speaker 1: on and everything, we are pop culture bloggers. We're not
Speaker 1: political pundits. And I freaking hate political pundits. I can't
Speaker 1: stand them. I think they're the don't listen to them.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to them. Learn and make your you know,
Speaker 1: and voice your support, but don't listen to those assholes
Speaker 1: on cable TV. I mean, I'm sorry, but I just
Speaker 1: think most of them are completely useless people.
Speaker 3: Anyway, We also were going to talk about her style, and.
Speaker 1: The only reason I say about it, it always comes up.
Speaker 1: It came up in twenty twenty where people asked us
Speaker 1: to talk about her style, And first off, it's sexist
Speaker 1: to ask us to do that because you've never you
Speaker 1: never asked us to you know, look at any other
Speaker 1: vice president ever. You never asked us to look at
Speaker 1: their suits because they.
Speaker 2: Were all men.
Speaker 1: And now that she's a presidential candidate, there is some
Speaker 1: semiotic value, there's you know, you can look at the
Speaker 1: symbolism there was. We had discussions about Hillary back in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen about how she was using her style. But
Speaker 1: I would say this as a former first Lady, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, Hillary Clinton is far more stylish than
Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison's Hillary. You know, her public life involved gowns
Speaker 1: and dresses and that sort of thing because it was
Speaker 1: necessary in her role. Now, once she became a senator,
Speaker 1: it was strictly pretty much pantsuits, straight down the line.
Speaker 1: But I still think in terms of her public self,
Speaker 1: Hillary had a more evolved sense of style. She understood
Speaker 1: how to use it better than as a candidate. Kamala
Speaker 1: is a lawyer. She dresses like a lawyer. She dresses
Speaker 1: in pretty standard business suits with almost no and they're
Speaker 1: almost always in business like colors, grays and browns and blues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. She doesn't step out in red suits. Everyone's
Speaker 1: a while she'd wear a purple suit. But I like
Speaker 1: that about her. I really don't want, I don't need
Speaker 1: that in a president, and I don't want to have
Speaker 1: a discussion about her fashion because it's not important. However,
Speaker 1: I will give her one bit of advice, and this
Speaker 1: is controversial, but I know it's very symbolic, but I
Speaker 1: really hope she tries to avoid the white suit thing.
Speaker 1: It became a very It just became way too associated
Speaker 1: with Hillary, not just with Hillary, but also with her
Speaker 1: loss and pain. I understand it's a suffragette symbol, but
Speaker 1: I also feel like symbolically, people on the left, especially
Speaker 1: white people on the left, are rushing to compare her
Speaker 1: to Obama and Hillary, because you know, Obama was black
Speaker 1: and Hillary was a woman, and now we have a
Speaker 1: black woman and she's her own person. I really think
Speaker 1: people need to understand that we're looking, we're not voting
Speaker 1: for Michelle Obama here just because she's a black woman,
Speaker 1: you can't impose. And just because she's a woman like,
Speaker 1: she's not hilly, stylistically, politically everything. She's very different from Hillary.
Speaker 1: So I would say, don't wear the white suit. It
Speaker 1: was done to tremendous effect, but then she lost that.
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of a painful symbol, it's all. And
Speaker 1: I know mean Nancy Pelosi and aoc other women in
Speaker 1: politics have worn the white suit at various times. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm saying, don't do that just as
Speaker 1: a symbol.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't be a feminist, don't be a
Speaker 1: proud feminist, but I just I don't think that symbol
Speaker 1: actually has the power.
Speaker 3: We'll see, I will see something about her stuff her.
Speaker 3: She's always impeccable, and she is. She's always it's a basic.
Speaker 3: You can say it's a basic look, but it fits
Speaker 3: her well. I agree, She's always well fitted. It's just perfect.
Speaker 3: It just looks great on her.
Speaker 1: Her jackets always fit well, her pants always hit at
Speaker 1: exactly the right point.
Speaker 2: I hope she looks great.
Speaker 1: I hope she breaks out the chucks when she's on
Speaker 1: a campaign, because that's a great look. It's such a
Speaker 1: gen X iconic look. I know, technically she's not gen X,
Speaker 1: but we're claiming her. We're claiming her and Dougie as
Speaker 1: our technics.
Speaker 3: Icon Anyway, we support Kamala.
Speaker 2: Harris and we hope you do too.
Speaker 3: Uh, and we hope you do too. Think about it. Uh?
Speaker 3: Oh god, yes I will. Yeah I am. I am
Speaker 3: voting for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think this concludes our We just it
Speaker 1: was such a moment in the and it feels weird
Speaker 1: not to talk about it at all. And that's it.
Speaker 1: We're not we're not we're not political pundits. So and
Speaker 1: I really don't like that infecting our world too much,
Speaker 1: not because I'm a political but because I have a
Speaker 1: job and I want to read it for myself.
Speaker 3: If you want to read more, go to Twitter Tom
Speaker 3: and now from us. Yeah Tom has been posting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but if you want to, if you want to read
Speaker 3: a little more about how how we feel, you know,
Speaker 3: just go to Twitter.
Speaker 1: All right, we didn't mention what else we were going to
Speaker 1: be talking about. We just launched right into what we
Speaker 1: are going to be talking about House of the Dragon
Speaker 1: later in the podcast, and we are have a few
Speaker 1: things to talk about in terms of the Faye Donaway
Speaker 1: documentary on HBO Max and with suggestions and this and that.
Speaker 1: But right now we're going to take a break and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. All right, we're back. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk do a little TV talk before we get
Speaker 1: to House the Dragon. We have other TV to talk about.
Speaker 1: Lorenzo I did not watch one second of The De cameraon,
Speaker 1: but he watched the entire thing when it was in
Speaker 1: our Netflix screamers queue.
Speaker 3: So go, well, first thing first, first thing first, anyway,
Speaker 3: I was obsessed with the book when I was a teenager,
Speaker 3: The De Camera Christia where you Little Door I now
Speaker 3: written by BOOKATU read the whole thing when I was
Speaker 3: a teenager, was fascinated by I couldn't believe so much
Speaker 3: sex and you know dirty is in a book written
Speaker 3: in thirteen when it was written, but anyway, thirteenth century
Speaker 3: I believe anyway. So I was just fascinated by the
Speaker 3: book and I so when I saw that Netflix was
Speaker 3: going to have a show about it, I was just like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is incredible. So that the camera
Speaker 3: If you don't know the book, it's sat in thirteen
Speaker 3: forty eight, during the Black Death, a group of young
Speaker 3: men and women, rich people get together and in this
Speaker 3: mention and avoiding the plague, so they stay away from
Speaker 3: everybody and they just stay in this beautiful place. And
Speaker 3: then they to pass the time because they're there, you know,
Speaker 3: they're there waiting until the play is over. They decide
Speaker 3: to tell stories. So the book is pretty much stories,
Speaker 3: kind of erotic, uh, you know, tone stories and it's
Speaker 3: a great book. So I thought the show was going
Speaker 3: to be about that, but no, it's inspired by the
Speaker 3: book and the show is pretty much them, the young
Speaker 3: you know, men and women together, so its focused too
Speaker 3: much on them, and there's no story. I thought they
Speaker 3: were going to talk about them, have them their stories,
Speaker 3: and then they would have scenes when they you know,
Speaker 3: you would switch to the stories they tell. But no,
Speaker 3: they decided not to do that, so I thought it.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a little boring. I was disappointed
Speaker 3: and also bored because it's just them and the castle
Speaker 3: the whole time, and it's just there's not much there.
Speaker 2: So is it funny?
Speaker 3: It's funny every now and then because the cast is amazing.
Speaker 3: Unit you have who Sasha Moment also Sir Sha Monica Jackson.
Speaker 3: She's phenomenal. She's in also a Derby Girls, right Gary,
Speaker 3: Dairy Girls, My god, Dairy Girls. So sorry, thank you.
Speaker 3: So the cast is great and funny, uh Tony hal So.
Speaker 3: So they're funny. There are funny moments. And I was
Speaker 3: reading all the reviews and you can tell that the
Speaker 3: reviews are trying very hard to make the show happen.
Speaker 3: It's okay. I I give it a shot, but I
Speaker 3: if you, I think if you read the book, if
Speaker 3: you know the book, you'll be a little disappointed because
Speaker 3: it's pretty much just damn about them in the castle
Speaker 3: the whole time. So I don't know. I felt like
Speaker 3: there's not much there for a whole series, but you know,
Speaker 3: give it a shot. So that's my number one suggested
Speaker 3: on Netflix. The second one is a very good movie,
Speaker 3: a German movie called The Teacher's Lounge Lezima in German.
Speaker 3: It's about a teacher. She starts teaching in the high school.
Speaker 3: She's a mass and and it sports teacher and one
Speaker 3: of her students is so aspective theft and she gets
Speaker 3: interested in the whole thing and she decides to you know,
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of the matter, find out who
Speaker 3: the you know the thief is So it's it's a
Speaker 3: very good movie because it's about teaching, is about being new,
Speaker 3: a new teacher, uh, your ideas as a teacher, and
Speaker 3: the system that you face when you are a new
Speaker 3: teacher and you become part of a school, and the
Speaker 3: whole parenting thing, the pressure of the parents and the students.
Speaker 3: I thought it was very, very well done. It's just
Speaker 3: a great movie, So I highly recommend it. It's called
Speaker 3: The Teacher's Lounge on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it fantastic.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch either, but I did watch Faye oh Yeah,
Speaker 1: documentary on HBO about Faye Dunaway. My I can't say
Speaker 1: I loved it, I think, and part of the reason
Speaker 1: I didn't love it is because I don't love this
Speaker 1: trend of doing these documentaries about celebrities that are basically
Speaker 1: they're essentially home movies because they're they're more or less
Speaker 1: produced entirely with the celebrities right cooperation, and in some
Speaker 1: cases these celebrities are or family members of these celebrities
Speaker 1: are producing these documentaries. So I think it makes a
Speaker 1: wonderful retrospective on her career and we get to hear
Speaker 1: some thoughts from her about some of her most famous roles,
Speaker 1: including you know, you know, Buddy and Clyde in Chinatown
Speaker 1: and Thomas Crown, Thomas Crown Affair, and of course Mammy Dearest,
Speaker 1: and you know, probably Mammy Dearest. Her thoughts on Mammy
Speaker 1: Dearest are the most are the biggest reason to watch
Speaker 1: it because she famously, you know, practically disowned that role
Speaker 1: and it nearly well pretty much did tank her career.
Speaker 1: And all of that's great, all of that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: But I do feel that, you know, Faye Dunaway is
Speaker 1: legendary for being a nightmare on sets, and I do
Speaker 1: I think there is a discussion to be had about
Speaker 1: women in the film industry who have been vilified for
Speaker 1: being difficult, who in fact were just you know, not
Speaker 1: allowing themselves to be sexually assaulted in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily true with Faye Dunaway. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's thirty to forty years of legendary stories that people
Speaker 1: are coming out and I don't mean, oh, she's a bitch.
Speaker 1: I mean she was physically abusing crew members and staff members.
Speaker 1: She was you know, throwing things at people and screaming
Speaker 1: slurs at people, and.
Speaker 2: The doc this is why.
Speaker 1: I had a prob I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I get it that she is bipolar. And this came
Speaker 1: out in the last few years that she was well,
Speaker 1: after she was fired from her last play and the
Speaker 1: producers came out and explained why she was fired, and
Speaker 1: it came out that she was not on she was
Speaker 1: not maintaining her medication, and that's when it came out
Speaker 1: that she was bipolar. And then she admits it in
Speaker 1: this documentary, and of course I have all the sympathy
Speaker 1: in the world for someone.
Speaker 3: Who has those issues.
Speaker 1: And she also admits to her alcoholism in the documentary,
Speaker 1: but they never tell you what any of the stories
Speaker 1: of what she did. And I don't feel that she
Speaker 1: needs to be raked over the coals, but a better
Speaker 1: documentary would have had There is one story from someone
Speaker 1: who's yes, and it's only one. He tells a story
Speaker 1: who worked on a crew and the way she treated him,
Speaker 1: and it's actually a slightly humorous story. It's nasty, but
Speaker 1: it's also you can't get too mad at her for it,
Speaker 1: and it just says I'm like, yeah, I've heard way
Speaker 1: worse about her, and I don't mean like on gossip forms.
Speaker 1: I mean people went to the press, I mean, producers
Speaker 1: and crew members talked about her over the years, and
Speaker 1: she physically abused people. She called, you know, gay men,
Speaker 1: little faggots and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And I get it, like.
Speaker 1: Alcoholism and bipolar will do an awful lot and to
Speaker 1: cause a person to lose control. We can talk about
Speaker 1: her with sympathy, but I didn't appreciate that everything about
Speaker 1: that was glossed over. There's a and actually it wasn't
Speaker 1: until she talks about her son's adoption and the way
Speaker 1: it was discussed. It was so evasive and weird that
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I not being told here?
Speaker 1: There's clearly some story here, and they're just going and
Speaker 1: I had to go online and find out what is
Speaker 1: the gossip about hers?
Speaker 2: And it's not.
Speaker 1: The point is that she told everyone for years that yeah,
Speaker 1: he was her biological son, and then her ex husband
Speaker 1: said in an interview like when the kid was like
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, that he was adopted, and she
Speaker 1: hemden hawd and eventually said that, yeah, none of that's
Speaker 1: in the documentary, and the fact that it's not, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what that just feels I feel like I'm not being
Speaker 1: told the story here, and I'm not owed the story.
Speaker 1: But if you're doing this documentary and being evasive.
Speaker 3: Obviously she didn't want to talk about it. In her
Speaker 3: son talks about her not wanting to talk about the
Speaker 3: adoption at all, not even to him, So I get
Speaker 3: that part. Unless she had final approval in the whole documentary.
Speaker 2: Thing, I don't feels that way.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why the director couldn't, you know, done
Speaker 3: his homework.
Speaker 1: And they never It's whatever Fay says Fay in her
Speaker 1: own words, which fine, but that's very She would for
Speaker 1: many reasons, and I sympathize she would have many reasons
Speaker 1: to want to tell a more flattering version of these
Speaker 1: events because the real version is terribly unplayed. But you know,
Speaker 1: as a documentary, I'm like, well, I don't I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a press release. I feel like it's home movies.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I really know the story.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say something. I think difficult people get
Speaker 3: a bad rap because in general, but in her case,
Speaker 3: I think it was a little more than that. I
Speaker 3: understand that.
Speaker 1: This isn't a Barber Strois saying thing. This is abusing people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like Julia Roberts kind.
Speaker 2: Of No, no, no, this is literally difficult.
Speaker 3: She was abusive, and you know she's bipolar and she
Speaker 3: suffered from the and I understand all that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: but I let me say a few positive things and
Speaker 3: Doc Landry one of them is that I it was
Speaker 3: a great reminder of what a wonderful, wonderful actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, world class. It's really a shame.
Speaker 3: And how gorgeous, gorgeous, I guess, stunning woman Crown Affair.
Speaker 1: I mean she's, oh my god, and she nobody ever
Speaker 1: looked like that on film.
Speaker 3: And she mentions the costume designer.
Speaker 2: Theodore or uncle, yes.
Speaker 3: Who designed all the costumes for her for the movie
Speaker 3: and also for Bunny and Clyde and and my god,
Speaker 3: the customers in every one of her movies are amazing Chinatown. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so she I think she's all right. She's problematic, like
Speaker 3: as someone said in the documentary, if somebody that, if
Speaker 3: you had to describe her in one words, that problematic.
Speaker 3: She Yes, she is. Probably I think she still is.
Speaker 3: She was during her career. But my god, what a
Speaker 3: talented woman.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: The first half hour is just all of that her
Speaker 1: early work, and I was like, wow, I need to
Speaker 1: rewatch some of these.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I felt the same way.
Speaker 1: She's so intense you you think of her as this,
Speaker 1: you know, breathtaking beauty in her early work, but she
Speaker 1: was doing like streep level, heavy duty acting back then.
Speaker 3: I don't know it's because of the documentary. Max has
Speaker 3: several of her movies available at the moment, which I
Speaker 3: we watched this week, and especially Chinatown and The Thomas
Speaker 3: Crant Affair. They're all amazing movies. She I remember as
Speaker 3: a kid watching The Eyes.
Speaker 2: Of Laura Mars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like fascinating or Networks She's amazing in network.
Speaker 3: She is she is. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, problematic, And I also have a part of her career,
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of backlash against her or the failure,
Speaker 1: is that she she she played really really unlikable women
Speaker 1: very early on in her career, and that was a
Speaker 1: brave thing to do. But I think it affected how
Speaker 1: people thought of her. I mean, of course, all the
Speaker 1: stories about her abusing people on set. I mean, like
Speaker 1: they talk about Chinatown and oh, you know, I was
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: Difficult on set. The story was that she threw Urine
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 1: Director Jesus, Okay, you're bipolar, you're alcoholic, I get it.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to do this retrospective and you're
Speaker 1: going to address how difficult you were, this is what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like they pulled back too much. She's
Speaker 1: an old woman and there were the scenes of her.
Speaker 1: There are scenes of her talking where I just I
Speaker 1: feel so much for her, Like she's old and she
Speaker 1: wants to be thought of a certain way, and she
Speaker 1: knows she's not going to get it, really get a chance.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's like eighty three, and I don't really
Speaker 1: think she's got many movies out of her, so I do.
Speaker 1: I'd sympathize a lot. I understand a lot.
Speaker 3: And I think her son kind of hinted that because
Speaker 3: he said, sometimes I call her and she's.
Speaker 2: Not on her medications.
Speaker 3: That was really hard, he shows, and I asked her,
Speaker 3: did you take your ma? Her son is very sweet,
Speaker 3: very sweet guy, very good looking guy too.
Speaker 1: I looked him up when he was younger. He was poor,
Speaker 1: and I actually think that's why there were so many
Speaker 1: rumors about him, is that she lied about his adoption
Speaker 1: and then he was so good looking that people there
Speaker 1: were all these rumors that some co star, some Hollywood
Speaker 1: coastar was the actual father, which I'm not buying into that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think part of the reason why. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I did want to talk briefly about Mommy Dearest. It's
Speaker 1: such an iconic role and I do genuinely, genuinely feel
Speaker 1: bad for her with regards to how that all played out.
Speaker 1: I don't think she did great work, and she even
Speaker 1: admits that she feels that her bipolar took over a
Speaker 1: little bit and was affecting the performance. I actually feel
Speaker 1: like it was one of those performances that was so
Speaker 1: dark it destroyed the person who was playing it.
Speaker 3: Especially having the repetition she had of being Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it truly truly darkened her.
Speaker 3: I think she went too far, and you know.
Speaker 2: I think the director I was just enough.
Speaker 3: As Sharonstone said in the documentary, I mean you should
Speaker 3: also blame the director for it.
Speaker 1: I totally blame the director. I mean, she was a
Speaker 1: dramatic actress. She and she thought she was doing a
Speaker 1: dramatic portrayal, and actually I think the director thought he
Speaker 1: was well he I know that he just wasn't up
Speaker 1: to the task. Because apparently all the people laughing in
Speaker 1: the audience and the fact that it became a cult
Speaker 1: classic was it took all of them off guard.
Speaker 2: They thought they were doing. But he I don't like.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those gay men who don't love that film.
Speaker 1: I understand the camp value of it, but it's dark.
Speaker 1: It is a film about child abuse, and some of
Speaker 1: those scenes are actually disturbing. And I've been in like
Speaker 1: gay bars where men were cheering and laughing as a
Speaker 1: little girl was having the shit beat out of her
Speaker 1: on camera, and I was like, yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: just know I'm not taking any fine whatever. But people
Speaker 1: can consider it a camp classic. I thought it is
Speaker 1: still about child abuse.
Speaker 3: I agree. I find the whole thing such a mess.
Speaker 2: It's a mess.
Speaker 3: The actual daughter, you know, the book and everything. Everything
Speaker 3: about it is just very sad and and I'm I
Speaker 3: don't feel I don't want to be part of it
Speaker 3: in a way, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. I I feel that the story is
Speaker 1: about Joan Crawford as a mother. There is some truth
Speaker 1: to them. If you listen to any interview with Joan
Speaker 1: or you read her book that she wrote about like
Speaker 1: scrubbing her kitchen floor, and you know, that's sort of
Speaker 1: Joan's household tips. She was clearly like very very very
Speaker 1: high strung and probably had a lot of demons herself.
Speaker 1: But that book and that movie destroyed her reputation completely,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was deserved at all. If
Speaker 1: you sometimes I'll catch some old Joan Crawford performance, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean Mildred Peers, I mean some of her
Speaker 1: other works, and it's, like Jesus Christ, she was amazing,
Speaker 1: and it's a shame that most people just think of
Speaker 1: her as no Wirehanngers and Faye done Away.
Speaker 2: And the other part.
Speaker 1: About that film that is such a shame is I
Speaker 1: don't think you would have ever found an actress of
Speaker 1: that generation better suited to play Joan. Ever, actually, of
Speaker 1: any generation, there was no actress better suited to play
Speaker 1: that role than Fay done Away. And I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean she only.
Speaker 3: Sort of looked like her, but like they showed.
Speaker 1: Interviews of her in the in the late sixties and
Speaker 1: early seventies, of Fay being interviewed about their film, and
Speaker 1: she sounds like Joan. She has that very sort of
Speaker 1: upper class, that sort of and she wasn't upper class.
Speaker 1: It was all she was a you know, army brat
Speaker 1: from Florida.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean mean true, It's true.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what they call themselves, army brats. Other
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that they show all these pictures of
Speaker 1: her as a young girl and and even in college
Speaker 1: and everything, and then they show her first film role
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you dropped thirty pounds and had
Speaker 1: some blitzk surgery dub, but you're not going to mention that.
Speaker 3: Part at all. Like she looks she looks very different.
Speaker 1: She looks completely different. Granted, whatever, but this is what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like I when I want to see
Speaker 1: a retrospective of a Hollywood stars career, I don't want
Speaker 1: their home movies. I want someone to challenge, you know,
Speaker 1: I want someone I conjective.
Speaker 3: I like both. I liked when they talk about the
Speaker 3: process when they made the movies. That's the I love.
Speaker 3: And now we're having all these documentary tapes, you know,
Speaker 3: like we found tapes of you know, we have the
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Taylor now and we had the Marilyn Moreau on Netflix.
Speaker 3: I like that too because you actually get to hear
Speaker 3: them talk hear them their voice, you know, and I
Speaker 3: like that, So I think it should be a combination
Speaker 3: of both. As you said, some parts were missing. So
Speaker 3: I think it's the director's, you know, fault, because he
Speaker 3: should he or she should be the one looking for
Speaker 3: that stuff to add to the documentary if Faye Dunaway
Speaker 3: doesn't want to talk about it. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling that she had to approve the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't think she was going to approve
Speaker 1: a documentary that showed her into marsh of a light.
Speaker 1: So to a certain extent, I appreciate how far she
Speaker 1: I mean, she was acknowledging her own mental health, her
Speaker 1: own roalism, and how difficult she could be. But it was,
Speaker 1: you know, evasive in a way that I was sitting
Speaker 1: there watching it feeling like, okay, you're like I said.
Speaker 1: It was when they got to the part about the adoption,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is so evasive, and.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I had to go look it up because they were
Speaker 1: acting so weird about it on camera.
Speaker 3: Clearly it was a big deal because in the documentary,
Speaker 3: her son says, you know, I tried to talk to
Speaker 3: my mom about it, and she doesn't want to talk
Speaker 3: about it. She barely talked about never talked about it.
Speaker 2: So there is sort of story there, but I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I.
Speaker 3: Guess who knows. Maybe she was ashamed. Who knows? You
Speaker 3: never know. I mean that's why I you know, you
Speaker 3: never knew. I don't like to judge too much.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't judge anyhore. I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think adoptions are fine. I mean, there's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with that. I but like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching the documentary because it was a great
Speaker 3: reminder of what a wonderful, wonderful actors really.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of clips that I Wow, took
Speaker 1: my breath away, and I was like, I really need
Speaker 1: to watch some of these again. I haven't seen Thomas
Speaker 1: Crown Affair in a long time. I've seen Network a
Speaker 1: lot because TCM shows it all the time. But TCM
Speaker 1: we have on We have a small television in our
Speaker 1: kitchen and it's just on TCM with the sound off
Speaker 1: and the close captioning on, and we never turn it off.
Speaker 1: And I will get up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and there's like Joan Crawford's slapping someone and I
Speaker 1: will literally stop at like two in the morning, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to go to the bathroom or something, and
Speaker 1: I'll stop and look at it for a minute or two.
Speaker 2: So TCM is like, you know.
Speaker 3: We just love that.
Speaker 1: We're classic movie people and it is one of those
Speaker 1: things that you don't need to have the sound on.
Speaker 2: You just haven't running yet.
Speaker 1: And then you'll look up and there's dars Day or there,
Speaker 1: you know, there's Marilyn Monroe and whatever, there's some iconic
Speaker 1: scene from cinema.
Speaker 2: So I love that stuff.
Speaker 3: I love to see him.
Speaker 1: Are we done with this segment? All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap this up. We're gonna come back in a second
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 2: House Ouse of the Dragon. We'll be right back. We're back.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how the Dragon. Lorenzo just
Speaker 1: told me that the ratings are dropping on this show.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 3: I just read online that this was the lowest rated
Speaker 3: episode so far this season, and people complain. People have
Speaker 3: been complaining about how boring and I'm just quoting them
Speaker 3: or slow the show the season is.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that, but whatever, I understand, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be very honest here.
Speaker 3: I feel like if I because of all the stuff
Speaker 3: that I watch and read online about the episodes, most
Speaker 3: of them are from people who read the books. So
Speaker 3: I do feel and I'm gonna be honest, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like I think I would enjoy the show a
Speaker 3: lot more if I had read the books. That's the
Speaker 3: feeling I get, which shouldn't be that way. I shouldn't
Speaker 3: be pressured to read a book to enjoy a movie,
Speaker 3: I mean a show. So I don't know, but sometimes
Speaker 3: I feel like, all right, who's this character? And then
Speaker 3: people are talking about that, how so many new characters
Speaker 3: that you think are not important are being introduced but
Speaker 3: not properly introduced, and and they're going to play apart
Speaker 3: in the future but we don't know yet, so that
Speaker 3: that's that. Uh. And they're complaining about a lot of
Speaker 3: conversation around the table all the time, you know, slow motion.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think everything, all of
Speaker 1: those conversations at Dragonstone are starting to get really boring.
Speaker 3: And I think they're just.
Speaker 2: Cats. I have one cat on either side.
Speaker 3: I know they're all here on the table now, uh,
Speaker 3: and they're just stratching things up the whole Damon not Damon, well,
Speaker 3: Damon yeah, Heronholm Jesus Christ. I know, it's just like,
Speaker 3: my god, it's just enough, we get it. Okay.
Speaker 1: There's some interesting scenes there because you know, you're getting
Speaker 1: to see his flashbacks to Vizaras, but then again, it's
Speaker 1: stuff that we already knew about his relationship with Vizara,
Speaker 1: so it feels like I had a lot of wheel spinning.
Speaker 1: I do think his discussion with Alice Rivers was the
Speaker 1: best scene yet.
Speaker 3: Because first of all, she's amazing, amazing, Yeah, I love her.
Speaker 3: She's so creepy and gorgeous. Yeah, costumes are beautiful. Everything
Speaker 3: about her.
Speaker 1: Her costume is stunning, like when she reaches out and
Speaker 1: the owl lands on her arm, Like, ah, I just
Speaker 1: love it because they haven't called her a witch. They
Speaker 1: call her a healer or whatever. But I just love
Speaker 1: that they're taking this this sort of iconic persona, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, a witch in a fantasy story or a
Speaker 1: you know, cunning woman in a fantasy story, and we
Speaker 1: have ideas about how those women are supposed to look like.
Speaker 1: Remember Melissandra in Game of Thrones. You know, the night
Speaker 1: is dark and phul of Terri. You expect these women
Speaker 1: to be like mysterious and and and and you know,
Speaker 1: almost regal in a way, and she's not. She's like
Speaker 1: very She's like this working class witch. I know, I
Speaker 1: know she she's weird and she's creepy, but you can
Speaker 1: tell she she knows things.
Speaker 3: You can tell the witty like like her. The way
Speaker 3: she lose her line. It's perfect.
Speaker 1: And she and Matt Smith have a fantastic I think
Speaker 1: it's funny because I don't mean it want to be mean,
Speaker 1: but they both have kind of goofy faces in the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 2: They both like she could play his sister.
Speaker 3: A lot of people on the show goofy. I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of good looking people striking different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's more good looking people on this
Speaker 1: show than on Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: All right, uh, we're not doing.
Speaker 3: Like a strict recap, but we will get to the kiss.
Speaker 2: But to your point about too much, uh yeah, when.
Speaker 1: This episode we got to see a bit more dragon
Speaker 1: stuff going on, and I was like, yeah, it's called
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2: I think I think we need more dragon.
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be dragon scenes in every episode.
Speaker 1: And uh so see smoke I actually really love that
Speaker 1: that scene with Smoke running down. I can't remember which
Speaker 1: one of the one is Adam and one is Then
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one is which of the two
Speaker 1: of Corliss's two sons. Oh yeah, I don't remember which
Speaker 1: one got on sea Smoke, but someone will correct me.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I did love that scene. First off, I
Speaker 1: think that actor is gorgeous, and just the scene of
Speaker 1: sea Smoke running him down and.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine? I'm like, could you imagine?
Speaker 1: You're just like doing your thing and then you realize
Speaker 1: that that dragon up in the sky is coming for
Speaker 1: you know. I think it was interesting that they did
Speaker 1: not show him.
Speaker 3: Oh his name is Adam.
Speaker 2: He's Adam, and the other one's Allan.
Speaker 3: Allan, Yeah, he's Adam.
Speaker 2: Of whole is the one that got the dragon?
Speaker 3: Or Adam is the one who got.
Speaker 1: The Okay, I mean, I don't want to hear it
Speaker 1: about the names. There's a ridiculous Yeah, it's Adam, all right, fine.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that they chose not to
Speaker 1: show him getting on the dragon. But then again, I
Speaker 1: felt like, uh, it would have been a waste of time,
Speaker 1: like that sort of transition going from it's going to
Speaker 1: kill me too, it wants me to get on its back.
Speaker 1: Would have taken several minutes of screen time, and this
Speaker 1: one actually smarter because then you have right Era reacting
Speaker 1: like who the hell is you know? And and that
Speaker 1: scene of her riding out was actually kind of thrilling.
Speaker 1: And this is what I mean. I'm like, yeah, dragons,
Speaker 1: we need to see them on dragons, that's the whole
Speaker 1: point to this show.
Speaker 3: Now, and and see her inaction, because at this point
Speaker 3: is just her saying, all right, you go get killed
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you go get you you And it's just
Speaker 1: and on the other side, it's just Alacent sadly walking
Speaker 1: around courtyards and lighting candles and and Damon going insane
Speaker 1: like it's it's They's three characters, all of whom are
Speaker 1: seeking power in their own way, and they're just sort
Speaker 1: of spinning their wheels.
Speaker 2: And it's I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am enjoying this season a lot, but
Speaker 1: I do I do understand the complaints a little bit
Speaker 1: that there's just not not enough dragons, and thematically, I
Speaker 1: just think what those three characters are going through in
Speaker 1: their three separate cow it's just too similar.
Speaker 2: They're all sort of right. I'm frustrated. I can't I
Speaker 2: can't find the ally.
Speaker 3: I think the point has been made and it move. Yeah,
Speaker 3: time to move. I mean you already establish what they're
Speaker 3: going through. You know, Alison, it's been treated like shit,
Speaker 3: you know, by her son, and she's mourning the other son,
Speaker 3: and then there's the other one. She talks about the
Speaker 3: third son, you.
Speaker 1: Know, which were I guess we're finally going to meet her.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Allison and Helena and
Speaker 1: that scene lighting the candles, because I have to say,
Speaker 1: those costumes take.
Speaker 2: My breath away.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about gowns with those tiaras and
Speaker 1: those sheer like non habit veils, and there's there's just
Speaker 1: one st shot where the two of them are running
Speaker 1: through that courtyard to get away and their veils are
Speaker 1: trailing behind them, like, oh my god. That costumes, costumes
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're so identical that and they
Speaker 1: don't look any like. There are two women who are
Speaker 1: clearly both queens, their mother and daughter, but you'd never
Speaker 1: know it because they don't look anything alike. It's just
Speaker 1: a very strong image. And I do think the costume
Speaker 1: design is gorgeous this season.
Speaker 3: I do wish they had someone older to play Allison
Speaker 3: by this point, but I had sing, I mean, right,
Speaker 3: but Olivia Cook, my god, I absolutely love her.
Speaker 1: I do too, and I love Emma Darcy, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want them requast. But I don't understand why they're
Speaker 1: not aging them.
Speaker 2: Up a little bit little bit.
Speaker 1: Ye, I don't want to be to be blunt. Olivia
Speaker 1: Cook does not have the body of middle aged woman
Speaker 1: who has four adult children. I mean, she's got a
Speaker 1: waist so tiny in these skinskin skin tight gowns, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, can't we pad her up a little bit
Speaker 1: and put a little bit of gray in her hair
Speaker 1: and that would help? But I mean, she's gorgeous and
Speaker 1: hot and she looks amazing. So I guess they just
Speaker 1: want to play that up. But it would do a
Speaker 1: lot if they hit. And so I had left because
Speaker 1: Damon is right older than all of them. Damon is
Speaker 1: essentially a middle He's got to be about fifty at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: But you'd never know what look at Hi, Matt Smith?
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 1: I do want to get to the kiss. I will
Speaker 1: get to the kiss in a bit. I thought this,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the scene with Sir Stephan when they asked
Speaker 1: him to try and get on sea smoke and they
Speaker 1: dragged that out so long because I was like that because.
Speaker 3: Well, episodes again and they said, oh, he's gonna die,
Speaker 3: He's gonna die.
Speaker 1: I knew he was going to die because I also
Speaker 1: know he's not one of the dragon Seeds. I know
Speaker 1: who the dragon Seeds.
Speaker 3: Are, right. But I do think that it was a
Speaker 3: beautiful scene. He was so good.
Speaker 1: He was actually that actor was great, and they really
Speaker 1: drove the point home that you know, this is a
Speaker 1: religious thing for them. They see these things as gods.
Speaker 1: We see them as nuclear weapons, but they see them
Speaker 1: as actual gods.
Speaker 3: And I think they're doing a good job because I
Speaker 3: was really annoyed with Rainyer at this point because I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, you just having everyone just telling
Speaker 3: people up to their death left and right. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: because your delusion that you know this guy because he's
Speaker 3: a Trigerian blood, that the blah blah blah. Right, It's
Speaker 3: just like I said, they're just stretching everything.
Speaker 2: But that one guy, Well, first off, I thought that line.
Speaker 2: It is my fault.
Speaker 1: I think that you have you've forgotten to fear me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's a good one, sister, that
Speaker 1: is a good line.
Speaker 3: But you know, they're just stretching out the story a
Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit too much. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean I really like these characters and I like
Speaker 1: the way it's going, but there's not that much story here.
Speaker 1: That is part of the problem. There really is not
Speaker 1: that much story. Once the battles start, then everybody starts dying.
Speaker 3: You have to start showing more dragons and you have
Speaker 3: to start showing more action because if you want to
Speaker 3: have a wider audience, because if you continue the way
Speaker 3: it is, then it's going to be a very small
Speaker 3: show with yeah, you know, a very small audience. You
Speaker 3: just have to do get bigger.
Speaker 1: One of the things I think is interesting is Raina
Speaker 1: is in the Veil and she is supposed to be
Speaker 1: being sent off to Pentos, but it appears that there's
Speaker 1: a wild dragon in the veil, and that much has
Speaker 1: been made of the fact that she has not learned
Speaker 1: to write a dragon. In the books, there is a
Speaker 1: dragon Seed character named Nettles who is a young black girl,
Speaker 1: and they have not introduced her, but they have pushed
Speaker 1: Reina in this direction, so it does look like Reina
Speaker 1: is going to get a wild dragon of her own.
Speaker 1: And then there are the two guys in King's landing.
Speaker 1: There's the one blonde guy with the beard and then
Speaker 1: the other guy who's always in the tabrits talking about
Speaker 1: how he's a targarian. And I'm pretty sure they're going
Speaker 1: to get off her dragons at some point as well.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Rainier and my Missaria's
Speaker 1: plan to send food.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was genius.
Speaker 1: That was genius. It was a very smart thing to do,
Speaker 1: very smart politically.
Speaker 3: And it's just it was great because I do think
Speaker 3: that they need to show more things like they're showing
Speaker 3: the folks hungry, you know, like the.
Speaker 1: Pa showed the small folk, yes something else of the
Speaker 1: Dragon didn't do all that often.
Speaker 3: I mean the time of the Efterord was small.
Speaker 1: It's small folk. Yeah, So I thought that was great.
Speaker 1: I do like seeing little scenes where they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're in the taverns complaining about all the food at
Speaker 1: the palace and everything like that.
Speaker 3: And my understanding is the guy fighting for the food.
Speaker 3: It's going to become a bigger character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even yeah, that was so clear. Why
Speaker 1: would you be spending so much time on this person.
Speaker 1: Same thing with you know, Corliss's sons.
Speaker 2: The minute they were.
Speaker 3: Introduced, I was like, all right, well they're a big deal.
Speaker 2: I can tell that.
Speaker 1: So I don't really have anything to say about Agon
Speaker 1: and Aim and Amen was an asshole to his mother
Speaker 1: kicked her off the council.
Speaker 2: But boohoo, I.
Speaker 1: Really whatever, lady like you. It's all coming back to
Speaker 1: roost for you. I can't really feel all that bad.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting. The whole thing with Lara
Speaker 3: is Strong about you know, for me an alliance with the.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because Aiming, Well, the thing is Aimon, he
Speaker 1: really has bad instincts politics, and that's what everyone keeps
Speaker 1: trying to tell him. And when you when you humiliate
Speaker 1: a man like Laris Strong, that's just dumb. That's just dumb.
Speaker 1: Don't publicly humiliate that guy, because you know that's just
Speaker 1: not someone you don't want on your side. I totally, so,
Speaker 1: very smartly, Laris went to Agon and withheld his milk
Speaker 1: of the poppies so that he could have a talk
Speaker 1: with him. And now he's got in the alliance with Agon,
Speaker 1: so it is great.
Speaker 3: Happens. Yeah, so the key so surprisingly, I am actually
Speaker 3: surprised a lot of people complain to be able to kiss.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Missaria and and and uh Rania wind
Speaker 1: up kissing, and they were getting to that point fairly.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I mean, I could see it coming.
Speaker 3: Well, the story is that it wasn't scripted, that it
Speaker 3: was kind of like it happened on the set kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't believe stories like that, because I mean, how
Speaker 3: can you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Necessarily you're just going to start kissing someone.
Speaker 1: That would be considered, you know, sexual assault essentially in
Speaker 1: a modern film production, you don't just start doing stuff
Speaker 1: like that. No, in this day and age, where we
Speaker 1: have like, you know, coordinators for all sorts of intimacy.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: I make a very good point.
Speaker 1: I think, I know that's not in the books, but
Speaker 1: I think Emma Darcy and I forget the exactly she
Speaker 1: was in Crazy Rich Asians. She played the crazy bride.
Speaker 1: I know, I think they have so much chemistry that
Speaker 1: it was impossible not to have this scene happen. Every
Speaker 1: time they were together. I could see it. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know if they're going to go
Speaker 1: in that direction. But these two have insane hot chemistry.
Speaker 1: It does make for a nice well first off Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones. That whole series franchise has not been great
Speaker 1: about portraying queer people, so.
Speaker 3: Unless they're dying or dead, you know.
Speaker 1: And I have to say, Missari is not someone I
Speaker 1: fully trust. I don't think she's all that trust. No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust her at all. But I thought the
Speaker 1: scene was powerful. I thought it made perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1: It was just about it just made sense.
Speaker 3: I mean they're, yeah, they're kind of like friends now
Speaker 3: in a way, and they're you know, sharing things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she and Massari shared her story, right. Yeah. I wasn't
Speaker 3: shocked or anything.
Speaker 2: No, No, could I be shocked. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: gay man that doesn't.
Speaker 3: But it's shocked in terms of character development.
Speaker 2: I felt that it was coming. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what that means.
Speaker 1: I don't, Like I said, I'm pretty sure none of
Speaker 1: that's in the books, So I really don't know what
Speaker 1: that's going to mean for their relationship going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have loved it if it's just just
Speaker 3: one thing type of thing, you know.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's going to do you think one
Speaker 1: thing I do want to say, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: if they're developing her relationship, right, yeah, if they're developing
Speaker 1: a relationship with Missari, I think you should pay attention
Speaker 1: to Missaria's costumes because so far Missaria's costumes in Dragonstone
Speaker 1: are very plain, yes, and she looks like a servant.
Speaker 1: And I think if she becomes the lover, you're going
Speaker 1: to see something gorgeous, gorgeous costumes on her almost immediately,
Speaker 1: I bet you. By the end of the season, Missuria
Speaker 1: is going to be wearing much much nicer costumes.
Speaker 2: Aside from that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really hope they keep that relationship under
Speaker 1: wraps because you might get a bunch of men to
Speaker 1: support you as the queen, but they're not going to
Speaker 1: support you as you know two queens you know there are.
Speaker 3: Or are you having a relationship with a servant.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean exactly. So I really hope the
Speaker 1: two of them are smart about that. But I think
Speaker 1: Missuria is that girl ain't dumb.
Speaker 3: No, she's not dumb, and so no Misunu, hopefully I'm
Speaker 3: pronouncing her name correctly. She's phenomenal she is love her love.
Speaker 1: No one in this cast that I don't like. And
Speaker 1: we've talked before about how Game of Thrones had some
Speaker 1: problematic cast members. But I think everybody's doing a great
Speaker 1: job on this cast.
Speaker 3: No, they're all great. Uh you know, unlike the Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings. This everyone everyone is very Ring of Power.
Speaker 3: I mean the Rings of Power, Rings of Power. No,
Speaker 3: my god, the doors a ring the previous show God,
Speaker 3: Game of Thrones. Sorry, I'm terrible with names people. Game
Speaker 3: of Thrones had a lot of untalented people who lasted
Speaker 3: too long anyway, but at this time they made sure everyone,
Speaker 3: you know, it's capable of doing the job.
Speaker 2: So I agreat. I don't think I have anything else
Speaker 2: to say about it to youal.
Speaker 3: No, no, But yeah, I'm I'm listen. I like I said,
Speaker 3: every now and then, I'm not gonna lie. I get
Speaker 3: a little frustrated because I'm like, all right, I don't
Speaker 3: know who this person is, and you know, it gets
Speaker 3: a little bit frustrated. But everything I was so great.
Speaker 3: The performance is, the costumes, it's inematography, everything about the
Speaker 3: show is so great that yeah, I keep watching it.
Speaker 2: All right, Then I think that's it for us. This week.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with whatever crosses our eyes
Speaker 1: across our desk. Until then, take care of yourself, love
Speaker 1: you mean it.
Speaker 3: Bye bye bye