WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.480 We're Tom A Lorendo and this is the Pop Style 2 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.199 Opinion Fest. HELLOQ is welcome back to another edition of 3 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.119 the PSO. I am the Tea and you're Telo Tom Fitzgerald, 4 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:33.520 and I'm here with the Low and your te Lo 5 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:38.320 Lorenzo because my lovely husband. It is a very eventful week. 6 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:42.600 Much to discuss. I'm just gonna warn y' all, well, 7 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:44.439 it's probably in the title. We never know what the 8 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:46.439 title of the podcast is going to be until after 9 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.399 we recorded, but I'm pretty sure Kamala's name is going 10 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.039 to be in the title. So yeah, we're going to 11 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.520 speak about the historic week that we just had and 12 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:01.399 a bit about Kamala Harris's presidency. As you know, we 13 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.599 don't as you might know, we do not engage in 14 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.239 a lot of political discussion. We do some stuff on 15 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.519 our social media, but even then that's exceedingly rare and 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.799 we try and keep it off our site. And that's 17 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.079 largely because one thing we've learned in the last eight years, 18 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.280 you know, with the Trump presidency and the you know, 19 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.239 lockdown for COVID and just all the political upheaval and 20 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.439 social upheaval of the list eight years, is we've learned 21 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.879 that our role, more than ever is to be a 22 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.760 respite from those things, is to be a place where 23 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.959 people can go to get away from all the screaming 24 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.799 and the yelling. On the other hand, yeah, we're talking 25 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:46.359 and moving everything on the table because our twenty two 26 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:50.239 pound cat just jumped up tab Hunter. Now he's ready 27 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:55.519 to let his opinions be known. Anyway, we try and 28 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:00.359 keep everything away from the political sphere, although we're not 29 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.200 a political at all as to gay men in America, 30 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:06.879 we're going to have opinions about where politics is heading. 31 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:11.120 And of course, so here's the deal. We're going to 32 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.919 talk about Kamala for the next probably ten minutes or so. 33 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.759 I'm not really going to sit here and get too 34 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.680 far into electoral politics and that sort of thing. I 35 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.120 want to talk a bit about semiotics, a bit about 36 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.479 her style, a bit about the celebrity response to it. 37 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:32.159 So that's all within our sphere. But i will say 38 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.120 I'm not part of my language. But I'm not gonna 39 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:39.520 be a pussy about this. I will say the reason 40 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:50.639 we feel strongly about Kamala Harris's campaign is because our 41 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.800 rights are on the line, and the rights of our 42 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.800 sisters and our nieces and every woman we know, every 43 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:03.000 person of color that we know, And to quote Taraji 44 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.639 p Hens and go Google Project twenty twenty five if 45 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.840 you don't know anything about it. Donald Trump is seventy 46 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:10.840 seven years old, and he has chosen us as running 47 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.120 made a thirty nine year old man who believes that 48 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:18.360 progressive people are not human literally quoting him, would like 49 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.840 to get rid of gay marriage, would like to arrest 50 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.520 women for crossing straight line state lines. 51 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:24.919 He's a monster. 52 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.000 And if he's a younger version of no, he's. 53 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.599 Much worse than Trump. He's much, much, much worse than Trump. 54 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.479 And Trump is the oldest nominee in the history of 55 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.360 our country now and there's a good likelihood that if 56 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:41.960 Trump were elected, we would be looking at president Vance 57 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.879 in the space of two to three years and then 58 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:46.039 it's all over for us. 59 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:46.719 Oh my god. 60 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.719 So yes, I do feel strongly about this. 61 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.520 And yes, you can come at me from the left 62 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.759 and say, you know, Biden is problematic or Kamala is 63 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.960 a cop, or we can talk about the problematic response 64 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.439 the administra has had to things like Gaza. I understand, 65 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.680 I truly do. But if there's anything I hope the 66 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.240 left has learned in the last eight years, and I 67 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.639 do the response to Kamala's announcement has given me some 68 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:21.560 hope is that a presidential election is not about voting 69 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.040 for your dream candidate or voting for the person that's 70 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.959 going to check off everything on your list, because it's impossible. 71 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.920 It is a administrative position over three hundred million people. 72 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:38.800 So there's going to be broad, you know, you know, 73 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.000 broad electoral points that they that you may not agree with, 74 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.240 and the point is that you have to just suck 75 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.600 it up. People do not like hearing the idea that 76 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:49.920 you should be voting for the. 77 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.360 Lesser of two evils or whatever. 78 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.879 But I mean, I've been voting for forty years and 79 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.079 every bin that's every presidential election. That's the way that 80 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:59.959 that works. If you want real change, you got to 81 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.040 do that on the school board level. 82 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:05.879 I can't believe that we're even having the discussion. It's 83 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.879 not about the actual candidate. It's about you know, what 84 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.079 they're going to bring and do I look at the 85 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.199 Supreme Court now, I mean, it's not about Yeah, he's 86 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.360 a monster and I can't stand him, and I'll do 87 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.839 everything in my power to make sure he doesn't get 88 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:24.439 elected again and and yes, I am the vote, you know. 89 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.759 I yeah, I have my criticisms of you know, Biden, 90 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.319 as you said, and Kamala yes, and it wasn't happy 91 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.560 with her a whole immigration thing. But at the same 92 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.439 time I felt like she was pushed and she didn't 93 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:44.519 know how to react and react badly. But you the 94 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.759 bottom line, and we have no choice. We have no choice. 95 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.040 I will vote for a donkey before I vote for Trump. 96 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:53.480 That's the bottom line here. 97 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.319 I said we weren't going to get into electoral stuff, 98 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.839 and we got straight into it, I know, but I did. 99 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.560 I want to just you know, set that out there. 100 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.839 We don't do these sorts of discussions too often, but 101 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:07.800 if we're going to do it, I'm going to say 102 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.720 what I'm going to say, and that is that you 103 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.279 people on the left need to understand that when you 104 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.439 vote for a president, you're not voting for your best friend. 105 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.120 I remember back during the Clinton Bill Clinton, the whole thing, 106 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.720 all the stuff that was coming up about Monica Lewinsky 107 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:25.319 and all that back in the day. And let me 108 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.759 just say, at the time, none of us knew how 109 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.120 bad of a sexual predator. 110 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:30.600 Bill Clinton was. 111 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.279 But at the time I remember saying something that in 112 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.600 that context I don't think is all that great, But 113 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.560 in an overall presidential context, I still stand by that. 114 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.399 I feel like the president of the United States is 115 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.360 like the president of my bank. I don't really need 116 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.120 to love them. I don't need to know that much 117 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.480 about them, except I need to know that they're going 118 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.279 to broadly, they're going to take care of me, take 119 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.399 care of me. You know that they're not going to 120 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.199 actively try to hurt me. And that's that's how I've 121 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.720 always approached every presidential I don't need Bill Clinton famously said, 122 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:08.240 and he was right. Republicans fall in line and Democrats 123 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.199 fall in love, and and that's always been I think 124 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:16.000 part of our downfall is that if we don't completely love, love, 125 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.399 love our candidate, we have a really hard time getting 126 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:20.519 behind them. And you saw that in the nineties. You 127 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.319 saw that with the Clintons. Believe it or not, they 128 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.439 were beloved by the by Democrats for a while, and 129 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.439 then you saw that with the Obamas. But then you 130 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.480 didn't see that with Biden because it's not the kind 131 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.519 of he's not the kind of person that people are 132 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:36.759 going to completely get excited about. And now you're seeing 133 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:38.839 it again with Kamalo. You're seeing this. 134 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.560 Huge ground of support. I have no idea the polling 135 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.000 is too early. I don't know. 136 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.240 I would never ever, ever, but it's believed that. 137 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.720 There's going to be some sort of you know, I agree, 138 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:52.920 it's not going it's still going to be tight. 139 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.480 I know. I will only believe anything the morning after. 140 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.720 You know that. That's how I write, That's how I 141 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.800 is with me. But I'm excited to see the excitement. 142 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.519 I mean on TikTok, her pr team is doing a 143 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:07.879 good job. 144 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.120 They're doing a spectacular job. 145 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.600 She's all over TikTok. The celebrity supporting her, which I 146 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.360 think is great. Beyonce, it just you know, said yes 147 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.120 you can use my freedom song. I mean, that's major. 148 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.680 I wanted to talk about celebrity stuff. This is what 149 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:21.920 I mean. 150 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.600 I mean, we we did get into the electoral stuff, 151 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.480 but I did want to talk a little bit about 152 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:31.160 the fashion and the celebrity stuff. First off, this Kamala's 153 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.639 candidacy probably came about largely because George Clooney got pissed off. 154 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.799 And I have to say that at the time and 155 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:41.480 even now, I had some issues with that. I was like, Oh, 156 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.320 I don't really like big Hollywood actors determining what direction 157 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.519 our elections should go in. In the end, I think 158 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.240 George Clooney will probably be proven right. Everyone's really mad 159 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:52.919 at him right now, and I feel like saying, this 160 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.159 is not a Susan Sarandon thing. I mean, he is 161 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.480 supporting the party. He is, but he just couldn't support 162 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:02.240 that candidate. But I think it's interesting how much of 163 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:06.960 a celebrity response has come. You know, celebrities always come 164 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.720 out in favor of Democrats, mostly in favor of Democrats, 165 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.080 and some in favor of Republicans. I mean, Trump has 166 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:16.679 his people on his side, Kid Rock, but I feel 167 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.120 like there's a fervor this year. 168 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:21.320 There was the there was a. 169 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:24.320 White Woman for Kamala Zoom call last night with like 170 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.759 Tonnie Britten and Pink and Glennon doylety author and apparently 171 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.720 there was over one hundred and thirty six thousand women 172 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:33.320 on the call. 173 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:34.200 It broke Zoom. 174 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:37.600 It broke records and it raised I think since the 175 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:42.879 since the announcement, the record that's been record breaking fundraising 176 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.159 like two hundred and twenty million dollars. So the excitements 177 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.360 there I also want to note again back taking it 178 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.360 back to celebrities, Jennifer Anison came out this week and 179 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.919 she's a political for the most part, and she was 180 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:02.039 pissed because of those JD Vance comments about childless cat ladies. 181 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.320 And let me just go back that JD. Vans also 182 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.759 wants to outlaw IBF, so like, yeah, yeah, I mean, 183 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.440 I mean loser ass whole wizard, which I'm happy that 184 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.519 people are starting to realize it. 185 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.320 And attack him, not just Trump, but also attack him. 186 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:22.200 Yeah, because he's likely to be the next president after Trump, 187 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.879 because Trump is likely not to live out his term. 188 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:28.120 So yeah, I wasn't even thinking, oh, we all got. 189 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.600 To think that, I know, And that's part exactly. This 190 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.399 is going to take me back to a point about Comwo. 191 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.960 As a Democrat this I never felt like she was 192 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.200 being appointed or that this was some sort of coronation 193 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:40.679 because when I voted for Biden, I voted. 194 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:41.879 Given his age. 195 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:43.759 I was like, well, he's likely to die in office, 196 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.720 which means I'm pretty much voting for her. So when 197 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.399 they slotted her in after he stepped out to me, 198 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.360 and it seems to me like most of the Democratic 199 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.080 Party is responding in the same way. We're fine with this. 200 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.960 This is kind of what we wanted. 201 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.799 Actually, now that she has some experience in and. 202 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.919 Why now, Yeah, I mean, anyone who was saying a 203 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.720 vice president, former senator, former attorney general. I mean, if 204 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.559 you're trying to claim that she doesn't have expect you're racist. 205 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.799 Guess what you are? You're racist at your besides, you're 206 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.360 an asshole. 207 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.120 Also, she's qualified. It's ridiculous. JD. 208 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:16.720 Vans wrote a book Okay. 209 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.000 Great, yeah, yeah, and went. 210 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:21.000 To Yale or whatever. 211 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:23.000 Uh okay. 212 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.519 So I thought it was interesting that Jennifer Ansa came 213 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.279 out and she was very angry about this and made 214 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.279 a point. And I said to you, I was like, 215 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:34.480 I don't I don't want to push too much on 216 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:41.440 celebrities because I think it's I think it's I don't know. 217 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.919 I think it's you wind up putting your your faith 218 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.120 in people that you probably shouldn't put your faith in, 219 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:52.080 and and celebrities are uh flighty and you know that 220 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.080 sort of thing. However, I feel like I will be 221 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.000 very disappointed at Beyonce Adie and Taylor Swift don't actually 222 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.000 come out and say something Beyonce, because I mean Beyonce 223 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.120 is like the queen of black women in America. There's 224 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:13.759 just there's no one who elevates black women more culturally 225 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:18.200 than Beyonce. And here you have the first black woman 226 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.759 running for the presidency and a major party ticket, and 227 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.480 she could actually win. So it's not my place as 228 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.440 a white man to say this, but I'm like, oh, Beyonce, 229 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.679 please tell me you're gonna, I don't know, show up 230 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:34.200 at the convention or something. Similarly, Taylor Swift is the 231 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.240 queen of childless cat ladies. I mean literally the queen 232 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.000 of it. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. 233 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.519 She is all about living that single life and loving 234 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.080 her cats. And she is the most important cultural figure 235 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.600 in the world right now, regardless of what else you 236 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.440 may think about Taylor. So again, it's like, all right, 237 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.480 I need you both to step up because not just 238 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.799 because you're the two most important cultural figures in the world, 239 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:04.519 but this this campaign actually intersects with both of your 240 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.279 personas in very powerful ways. 241 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.159 I I hope we get the support of both of them, 242 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.200 like vocal and public a concert. 243 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:14.399 We'll see something. 244 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.360 The bottom line is that it's time to vote for 245 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:19.159 a woman you know. 246 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:20.559 She thinks people are realizing. 247 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:22.840 I mean, come on, and and I'm not saying you 248 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.799 should vote for a woman just because Kamala is a woman. 249 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.600 Now it's a capable you know. Well, I saw great 250 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:33.159 tweet Twitter. I don't know who she's who was she said, 251 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.200 I'm not voting for Kamla because she's a woman. I'm 252 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:36.799 voting for Kamla because I'm a woman. 253 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.360 And that's that's awesome. 254 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.879 Yeah, I mean, and yeah, that's it. That's it for women. 255 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.480 I think you have to you don't vote for it, 256 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.279 but simply because of her gender, you're voting because your 257 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.840 gender is under so much much hack by her bonus, Yes, exactly. 258 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:53.799 And I also just feel. 259 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.159 You know, Jesus Christ, it is embarrassing that we've never 260 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.399 had a woman pressent. Frankly, I'm embarrassed. I'm justus that 261 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.679 this country is so backwards about that sort of thing. 262 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.600 But regardless, I'm not making some sort of DEI you know, 263 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.759 I'm not saying about for as simply because she's a woman, 264 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.120 or simply because she's biracial or you know, black or 265 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.720 Asian or whatever. I think those are as with all 266 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:23.120 diversity initiatives and there's value in that. There is value 267 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.120 in that and having a woman in the in the 268 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.159 oval office and having a person of color in the 269 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:33.080 because new perspectives, diverse perspectives always have value. This is 270 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.080 what anti DEI people don't understand. But I'm not making 271 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.159 the argument that she should be. 272 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.600 Voted for because of those reasons. 273 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.080 But the bottom line is that if you're not a 274 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.159 white straight man, there is no reason for you to 275 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.600 vote for Trump. That's that's that's well. 276 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.960 I mean, I would hope white straight men would understand that. 277 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.039 I know, but my point is that he only upholds 278 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.279 those people exactly. That's my point. Yeah, that's the people, 279 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:02.799 uh that matter too? Yeah, nobody else matters. So yeah, 280 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:03.679 it's there's. 281 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:04.480 A lot on the line. 282 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.879 And I just feel like, with all the energy going 283 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:11.279 on and everything, we are pop culture bloggers. We're not 284 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.000 political pundits. And I freaking hate political pundits. I can't 285 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:17.320 stand them. I think they're the don't listen to them. 286 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.200 Don't listen to them. Learn and make your you know, 287 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:23.600 and voice your support, but don't listen to those assholes 288 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.159 on cable TV. I mean, I'm sorry, but I just 289 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.399 think most of them are completely useless people. 290 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.639 Anyway, We also were going to talk about her style, and. 291 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.279 The only reason I say about it, it always comes up. 292 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.080 It came up in twenty twenty where people asked us 293 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.000 to talk about her style, And first off, it's sexist 294 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.360 to ask us to do that because you've never you 295 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.960 never asked us to you know, look at any other 296 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.840 vice president ever. You never asked us to look at 297 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.039 their suits because they. 298 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:52.399 Were all men. 299 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.080 And now that she's a presidential candidate, there is some 300 00:15:58.120 --> 00:15:59.919 semiotic value, there's you know, you can look at the 301 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.720 symbolism there was. We had discussions about Hillary back in 302 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.159 twenty sixteen about how she was using her style. But 303 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.600 I would say this as a former first Lady, believe 304 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.200 it or not, Hillary Clinton is far more stylish than 305 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.399 Kamala Harrison's Hillary. You know, her public life involved gowns 306 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.519 and dresses and that sort of thing because it was 307 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.919 necessary in her role. Now, once she became a senator, 308 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.799 it was strictly pretty much pantsuits, straight down the line. 309 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.000 But I still think in terms of her public self, 310 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.799 Hillary had a more evolved sense of style. She understood 311 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.279 how to use it better than as a candidate. Kamala 312 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.759 is a lawyer. She dresses like a lawyer. She dresses 313 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.879 in pretty standard business suits with almost no and they're 314 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:53.559 almost always in business like colors, grays and browns and blues. Yeah, 315 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.320 that's it. She doesn't step out in red suits. Everyone's 316 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.799 a while she'd wear a purple suit. But I like 317 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:02.720 that about her. I really don't want, I don't need 318 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:04.400 that in a president, and I don't want to have 319 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.240 a discussion about her fashion because it's not important. However, 320 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.480 I will give her one bit of advice, and this 321 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:17.279 is controversial, but I know it's very symbolic, but I 322 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.880 really hope she tries to avoid the white suit thing. 323 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:24.079 It became a very It just became way too associated 324 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.519 with Hillary, not just with Hillary, but also with her 325 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:33.440 loss and pain. I understand it's a suffragette symbol, but 326 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:39.359 I also feel like symbolically, people on the left, especially 327 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:43.079 white people on the left, are rushing to compare her 328 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.759 to Obama and Hillary, because you know, Obama was black 329 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.400 and Hillary was a woman, and now we have a 330 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.440 black woman and she's her own person. I really think 331 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.720 people need to understand that we're looking, we're not voting 332 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:55.920 for Michelle Obama here just because she's a black woman, 333 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.079 you can't impose. And just because she's a woman like, 334 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.960 she's not hilly, stylistically, politically everything. She's very different from Hillary. 335 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:08.440 So I would say, don't wear the white suit. It 336 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.680 was done to tremendous effect, but then she lost that. 337 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:13.559 Now it's kind of a painful symbol, it's all. And 338 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:18.000 I know mean Nancy Pelosi and aoc other women in 339 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.480 politics have worn the white suit at various times. And 340 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.440 maybe that's why I'm saying, don't do that just as 341 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:24.039 a symbol. 342 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.039 I'm not sure. I listen. 343 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:27.839 I'm not saying don't be a feminist, don't be a 344 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.920 proud feminist, but I just I don't think that symbol 345 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.839 actually has the power. 346 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:38.440 We'll see, I will see something about her stuff her. 347 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.920 She's always impeccable, and she is. She's always it's a basic. 348 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:45.119 You can say it's a basic look, but it fits 349 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:50.039 her well. I agree, She's always well fitted. It's just perfect. 350 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:51.200 It just looks great on her. 351 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.160 Her jackets always fit well, her pants always hit at 352 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:55.359 exactly the right point. 353 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:57.480 I hope she looks great. 354 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:59.319 I hope she breaks out the chucks when she's on 355 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.680 a campaign, because that's a great look. It's such a 356 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.559 gen X iconic look. I know, technically she's not gen X, 357 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.440 but we're claiming her. We're claiming her and Dougie as 358 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.519 our technics. 359 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.960 Icon Anyway, we support Kamala. 360 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:13.880 Harris and we hope you do too. 361 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.640 Uh, and we hope you do too. Think about it. Uh? 362 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.759 Oh god, yes I will. Yeah I am. I am 363 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:20.519 voting for her. 364 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:21.839 Yeah. 365 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.279 Okay, So I think this concludes our We just it 366 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.319 was such a moment in the and it feels weird 367 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:30.839 not to talk about it at all. And that's it. 368 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:35.039 We're not we're not we're not political pundits. So and 369 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.599 I really don't like that infecting our world too much, 370 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:40.880 not because I'm a political but because I have a 371 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.519 job and I want to read it for myself. 372 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:46.240 If you want to read more, go to Twitter Tom 373 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:50.480 and now from us. Yeah Tom has been posting. Yeah, 374 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.720 but if you want to, if you want to read 375 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.880 a little more about how how we feel, you know, 376 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.559 just go to Twitter. 377 00:19:57.599 --> 00:19:59.440 All right, we didn't mention what else we were going to 378 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.200 be talking about. We just launched right into what we 379 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.480 are going to be talking about House of the Dragon 380 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.799 later in the podcast, and we are have a few 381 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.960 things to talk about in terms of the Faye Donaway 382 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.240 documentary on HBO Max and with suggestions and this and that. 383 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:17.880 But right now we're going to take a break and 384 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:22.720 we'll be right back. All right, we're back. We're going 385 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.880 to talk do a little TV talk before we get 386 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.200 to House the Dragon. We have other TV to talk about. 387 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:32.119 Lorenzo I did not watch one second of The De cameraon, 388 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.640 but he watched the entire thing when it was in 389 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.039 our Netflix screamers queue. 390 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:43.440 So go, well, first thing first, first thing first, anyway, 391 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.480 I was obsessed with the book when I was a teenager, 392 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.839 The De Camera Christia where you Little Door I now 393 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.119 written by BOOKATU read the whole thing when I was 394 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.720 a teenager, was fascinated by I couldn't believe so much 395 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:03.039 sex and you know dirty is in a book written 396 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.359 in thirteen when it was written, but anyway, thirteenth century 397 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.440 I believe anyway. So I was just fascinated by the 398 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:15.000 book and I so when I saw that Netflix was 399 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.799 going to have a show about it, I was just like, 400 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.559 oh my god, this is incredible. So that the camera 401 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.359