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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Matt and welcome to The Good Trouble Show. Yesterday,

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journalist Ross Colthard hit another one out of the park

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with his News Nation special revealing another UAP whistleblower named

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Jake Barber. Today, national security expert Matthew Pines returns to

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the show for expert analysis, and we have a statement

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from Jake Barber himself a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: So glad everyone's here.

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Speaker 2: Now, now that that is out of the way.

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to announce that early this week it'll either

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be probably Tuesday or Wednesday, we have a very very

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special episode. We have lou Elizondo, doctor Gary Nolan, and

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former Delta Force commander Lieutenant Colonel John Blitch who you

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saw of course on the News Nation interview with Ross Coltheart,

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all to discuss the allegations by by whistleblower Jake Barber.

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We will announce the air date on our x account

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so follow us there for the latest. And I also

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want to say too, I want to really give a

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shout out to to Ross Coulthart. You know, you look

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at you look at you look at journalists or you know,

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kind of fake journalists like Julian Barnes, who of the

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New York Times, who is essentially a lap dog of

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the Pentagon of the Ice carrying the water for them,

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and you know really not doing his job as a journalist.

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I mean, it's clear when you read Julian Barnes's article

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articles on the New York Times, it is it's just

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absolute rubbish. And we are lucky to have journalists like

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Ross Coulthart of on News Nation, like Matt Laslow Laslow,

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like uh, you know, Christopher Sharp of The Liberation Times,

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Mark von Rennan Camp. So there are folks that are

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doing a good journalism, and of course you know the

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og of journalists in this space, George Knapp.

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Speaker 2: But I just really wanted.

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Speaker 1: To give a shout out to Ross because you know,

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this guy has continually put himself out there. The guy's fearless,

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and I think all of us will owe him.

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Speaker 2: A debt of gratitude. Okay, all right.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is the director of Intelligence at Pinnacle

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one Sentinel one Strategic Advisory Group, where he leads analysis

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of geopolitics, emerging technology, and cyber threats. He was previously

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director of Security Intelligence at Krebs Stamos Group. Returning to

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the show to discuss last night's bombshell news, please welcome

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Matthew Pines.

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Speaker 2: Matthew, how are you today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. We're coming from Nicole, so hopefully I'm

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I'm almost one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no problem at all. Well, yeah, thanks for

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joining us again. This is your your returning to the show.

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You're officially a friend of the show, which I will

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be sending the good Trouble coffee mug right right right

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to your home as soon as we have one made.

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So so what do I so anyway, but thank you

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very much for joining us. So before we like dig

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into the details, what did you think about the interview

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were in and his revelations, Jake Barber's revelations. Were you

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disappointed or did it meet or exceed your expectations?

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Speaker 2: And if so, why?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think it was unique, right. We haven't had someone

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coming forward making explicit claims having firsthand experience on a

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retrieval operation associated with alleged UAP objects. So that in

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of itself is remarkable. Obviously it requires more investigation, more

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analysis to understand and paint it in a larger in

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a larger context. But I was, you know, floored by

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at least the nature of the of the of the

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of the claims, and not just on the crash retrieval side,

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but getting into the psionics piece. I mean, these were

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all pieces of kind of the lore around this topic.

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fides and make such strong claims, I think moves the

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conversation in a different direction. Obviously a lot of folks

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maybe not prepared to move in that direction. And so

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I think there's been a lot of kind of head

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snapping to understand just how it is and how serious

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this is. And I think we're in that period of

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kind of disorientation, discombobulation trying to assess all these different

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parts and pieces of the story that were laid out

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last night. And I think people are still trying to

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fit it together. But I'm taking it very seriously and

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certainly want to pursue all of it as as as

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rigorously as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I can tell you absolutely full stop,

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this guy is the real deal.

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Speaker 2: I would bet my the mortgage on my he is

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the real deal.

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Speaker 1: But you know, let's stick into his background, you know,

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because of course, the most important question with any whistleblower

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is you know whether he or you know she is credible.

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kind of talk about his background here so, so he

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was a US Air Force airman in the in the

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nineteen nineties, worked as an aerospace mechanic recruited into the

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Air Force Combat Control Unit. He held a NATO top

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secret clearance. He was recognized for heroism during operations in Bosnia. So,

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first of all, I want to stop there, what is

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a combat controller because to be honest, I don't really know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say I don't. I haven't looked

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into his specific backgrounds taking that information as is, but yees. So,

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a combat controller is a certain function within Air Force

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Special Operations community, specifically the Special Tactics Squadron STS. And

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so there's a number of these sort of special forces

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units within the Air Force that kind of correspond They

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have kind of their their own counterparts to say, the

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Seals or or the Rangers. And there's a particular squadron,

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the twenty fourth, which is also known as one hundred

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and sixtieth kind of the Nighthawks. They are kind of

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the the Air Force equivalent of like Delta Force or

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Seal Team six, so like Tier one special mission units,

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and their responsibilities are to basically, you know, support deniable

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covert operations, clandestine activities, just like Delta Forest and Seal

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to those teams. Sometimes they conduct their own operations. Obviously

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they specialize in in air operations, but in particular sort

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of combat controllers are usually embedded with ground teams to

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bring in close air support, to control drones, to control

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air strikes sort of you know, control overhead surveillance on

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behalf of small unit teams conducting operations, you know, usually

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in very very sensitive environments. And so they're trained kind

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of both with traditional kind of uh sort of special

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are are our airborne platforms and bring in you know,

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close air support, et cetera. Uh, And so that that

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that that combat controllers is a particular function that gets

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it's a specialty that gets trained, you know. They there's

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I think it was even a recent movie made with them.

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Hollywood I think it's on Netflix. You can see kind

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of what these guys are like and what their specialty is.

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guys with like the the iPads and the special radios

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and they're trying to, you know, make sure that the

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teams are protected and they have overwatch. So yeah, so

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that's that's my understanding. What of what the combat controller

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uh specialty is and and the STS uh kind of function?

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Speaker 1: Do you know if if being a part of what

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is it the you know, the twenty third uh you know,

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Air Force Special Operations Command, does that automatically make him

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a Tier one operator?

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Speaker 3: So if you're in the twenty fourth STS, that is

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essentially the equivalent of DEV Group or the equivalent of

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the Combat Applications Group, right, so Steal Team six or

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or Delta Force, so those are considered Tier one Special

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Mission units SMUs uh. So that's kind of like the

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category in terms of the level of selection, the level

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of training, the level of of of of of skills required.

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deployed on a variety of different task force uh you know,

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activities blended with other other teams as well. But yes,

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if if he was a member of that particular squadron,

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then yeah, that would be a Tier one Special mission unit.

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And the other gentleman that was in the the the

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the program yesterday, bred Baker I believe his name, uh,

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you know, it's it's not. I think his record is

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pretty public that he was a member of the twenty

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fourth STS, and he's also I think shown as part

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of the sort of skywatcher initiatives. Now I don't know

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if they were together on these particular operations, but that

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individual in particular, Fred Baker, I think there's a public

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award on the Air Force webs site of him getting

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since the Airman of the Year as member of the

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of the STS twenty fourth Squadron.

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of you know, he stated that he

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has NATO top secret clearance. What does that say about

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the kind of work he did as opposed to somebody

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that has strictly clearances out of the United States and

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have nothing to do with NATO.

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Speaker 3: That I'm not quite sure. I mean, NATO has its

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own kind of compartments, its own access requirements, but a

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top secret clearance is something that's adjudicated by the Defense Department,

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the intelligence community as this sort of a blanket kind

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of ticket to the party. So it might be a

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bit of a missing over to say there's like a

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special NATO top sier clearance. There's just you know, certain

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compartments associated with NATO defense information that you have to

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get right into or this specific sort of access is granted.

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But yeah, I mean, if you're operating in a NATO theater,

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right Bosnias, of course, you know the example from his background,

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there are Native specific military operations, NATO specific sort of

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battle plans being coordinated with their NATO allies. So if

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you're going to deploy as part of a NATO force,

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then you would be that would be part of your access.

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not anything like too exotic, right, Like a lot of

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people operate in that environment, would get that understood.

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Speaker 1: Now, Following, he says, following nine to eleven, he leaves

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the Air Force. He goes, he leaves the Air Force

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to go under non official cover to work as a

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contractor for the do O, D and I C. So

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you know, you hear non official cover thrown around from

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from time to time. What is it and why would

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he need to exit the Air Force to perform these

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duties under this non official cover? How do you explain

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non official cover?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the most sort of eyebrow raising thing

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that I heard in terms of because that's a very

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unusual track, right, the NATO stuff not that usual. But

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going from a traditional enlisted role right where you're being

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trained in a certain specialty in the air force to

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being piped into essentially a non official cover program, that

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is extremely unusual.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Either, that's not very typical, and non official cover refers

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to deniable UH positions where if you're caught, right conducting

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clandestine operations in a foreign country, you did, you can't

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claim either protections on their Geneva conventions as a military

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uh as as a military person, or dip by to

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cover if you're you know, just like a normal spy. Right.

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rare circumstances, individuals under non official cover to provide uh,

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you know, extreme uh sort of covert uh operational security

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right where there's no official connection between them and the

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US military of the US government. There are effectively, you know,

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business functions, you know, in in the intelligence context.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, they call them knocks, and they're they're a

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pretty rare subset of kind of the spies that that

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the US government employees to collect intelligence to preseas and UH.

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that was burned Valerie Plan uh and the Scooter Libby

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sort of scandal, where she was essentially operating under nofficial cover.

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I believe it was like an energy consultant for a company,

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you know, that had business in the in the Middle East,

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and so she was traveling and she had a full

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time job, you know, as a consultant and was you know,

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uh engaged in contracts, but her her real job was

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as a as a as a an intelligence officer for

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the US government, but that was only known to maybe

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one or two people in that company. And so the

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US military has adopted a similar similar set of uh

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sort of procedures, obviously not for collecting kind of high

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level political intelligence, but for emplacing individuals in commercial operations

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where they can support deniable activities uh around the world.

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from the US government, but it's it's pretty rare to

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find someone who is admitting to that as part of

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the background, and certainly there their presence in different countries

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would be extremely high risk. If you're if you're found out, Uh,

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then you are you are You're you're on your own.

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And yeah, so that that is certainly something I was

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very interested to hear about. And he sort of implied

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that that was kind of like where his career kind

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of took a certain turn, right, that that was sort

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of the like sort of the entry point into a

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kind of a series of these activities that led him

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to what was these alleged recovery activities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again we have a statement from Jake

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a little bit later that I think will clear some

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of this up for folks. It was I'm in a

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signal group, and you know that a lot of a

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lot of folks that that are common friends of ours,

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and there are definitely some folks that are skeptical about

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some of the claims U So I think this will

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this will I think it will help quite a bit,

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and I think everyone I don't think folks are going

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to be hearing more about his story and his background.

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And again, I can one hundred percent tell you this

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guy is the real deal. He says he is who

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he says he is, and he has done the things

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and experience the things that he says he he has

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and this is from multiple, multiple sources. So he also

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stated during the show, which I thought was really intriguing,

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that that after he leaves the Air Force and goes

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to work for a contractor on the range retrieving down

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conventional aircraft as well as UAP. And the first thing

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I thought of was what is this range?

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Speaker 3: And and.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what this.

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Speaker 1: Range is or have any ideas? And then also who

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is this contractor? That's what I would really love love

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to know who the contractor is, the defense contractor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've speculating. The only thing that comes to

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mind is, uh is White Sands Missile Range wismer as

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it's known. In fact, I've been out there, I've conducted,

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you know, sort of operational experiments out there, and it

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is it is. It is huge, it is uh, it

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is mass you know, it's barren.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You can do a lot of stuff out there. At

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the US military conducts sort of the activities he was

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describing in that in that in that you know, on

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that on that on that facility. But that's just speculation,

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but it is, you know, it is a range, So

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that would that would fit the appellation, and it's where

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they did the Trinity Site. You know, that's that's part

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of Wismer. In fact, I was able to kind of

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get just to the outside of was of of of

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the tree, uh of the Trinity test a number of

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years ago, just outside the fence line where you can't

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go because of radiation. So it is kind of a barren,

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kind of a barren, spooky place. So it wouldn't surprise

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me if some of this stuff is happening out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I I definitely wouldn't want to be crossing defense into

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radiation zone. I get enough pollution out here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Now, Ross had on a show three former Special operators

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who vouched for him and his claims. There was Don

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Paul Bales, Fred Baker, and Lieutenant Colonel John Blitch, who

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again will be on our show either a Tuesday or Wednesday,

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along with Louelasondo and doctor Gary Nolan. Did you find

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these former Tier one operators? Did you find find them credible?

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And how much do you think that their testimony sort

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of of, you know, sort of reinforced Jake's story and

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his credibility.

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Speaker 3: Certainly, I mean these guys are legit, right, these I mean,

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you can look them up, right, at least at least

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Fred Baker and Blitch, you can find you know, good

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good information about their background. You know, Blitch himself right

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PhD Delta sniper and a darker program manager kind of

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like you know, a renaissance man kind of and and

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he just, you know, kind of the very beginning of

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the interview is kind of like you don't necessarily process it,

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but he just, like rapid fire a sense to all

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of Ross's questions about the reality of this, of these

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recovery programs, the reality of the of the cover up,

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and he just is yeah, like one hundred percent, like yes, yes, yes.

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So I'm really looking forward to the interview to see

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how he unpacks that, how much of that is based

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off of his personal knowledge. I know he's done a

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lot of work for NASA as well, He's been a

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lot of places in his career, so really fascinated to

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learn more about his his perspective on that. And then

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Fred Baker, I mean, Fred Baker is also like a

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highly decorated, uh you know, Tier one special operator who

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has served as country honorably and you know, I think

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twelve deployments in combat and you know has has been

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through the ringer like a lot of those Tier one

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special operators, Right, these guys have suffered quite a bit

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and certainly they gained no you know, I think uh

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benefit from from this type of attention. Right, These typically

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don't like to go public. These guys definitely don't like

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to be associated with things that uh, you know, in

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their community. It's a quiet kind of warrior ethos, and

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I think they only do something like this where it's

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they don't have a choice, where they feel it's a

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matter of national security and urgency, maybe even no moral

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imperative to come out. And it's important to recognize that

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they came out kind of as a group, right, And

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they seem to imply that that this is kind of

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like the feeling of like the frontline workers here, right

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if therese like this legacy program hierarchy, like these are

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the grunts on the front line doing the dirty work,

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you know, and as he mentioned, kind of feeling a

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bit like they are expendable. And this was sort of

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maybe a signal being sent up up the chain that

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that these folks are are now prepared to come out.

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So I I saw this as a as a shot

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across the bow from from a subset of the community

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that has been involved in these activities that they're not.

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They're they're not gonna stay quiet any longer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they definitely aren't.

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Speaker 1: And and the thing is, it's like the last thing

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any former Tier one operator would do is is, you know,

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go on the record publicly to support someone if they

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if if they didn't, you know, if they couldn't vouch

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for him, They're not going to vouch for the guy

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if uh, you know, if if they have any doubts

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or anything like that. And yeah, I mean I think that,

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I think that is really an important element is who

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vouched for him? John Blitch I've known for quite some time.

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He actually lives not too far away from me. We've

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we've had dinner together. You know, a really great guy

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and and he takes his service to this country really

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really seriously. And and he is he is not he

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is absolutely not going to vouch for someone if you know,

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if if he has any doubts. But you know, but

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one question for you, Matthew, is there anything that you

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wish would have been presented that would have further bolsted

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Jake's credibility?

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Speaker 3: Well, I so many questions right right, like that that

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that resulted from that from that interview, right about like

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how he first got involved in these in these activities,

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if he can say, and then like to walk through,

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you know again like more explicit details about his pipeline

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from you know, being the mechanic into getting into this

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non official cover position, and then how that was the

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pipeline into these recovery operations, which apparently you know, we're

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just in the US, right, So a lot of the

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you know, I'm curious to know, like what happened, if

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any overseas, and when did this crew that formed Skywatcher

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come together to what extent is the membership of that

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crew overlapping with his original team versus additional folks, you know,

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folks from the legacy program they have recruited in not

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just one set of questions. I have a whole bunch

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of questions about those tough books and what was going

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on there. And I have a lot of questions on

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the nature of these recovery operations, right the eggs that

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he saw, the why he called it an eight gone

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and an octagon, So like there was a lot of questions, right,

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So I definitely felt like my appetite was wetted, but

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not fully satisfied. And maybe that's you know, going to

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be more coming out and you have to compress things

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down and you know, for the for for forty minutes.

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But yes, I want to know a lot more about

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his experience, his background, his sort of trajectory into these programs,

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the work that he did with these other folks. How

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did he get to know you know, Blitch in the

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first place. I know Bales was on his team allegedly,

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how did he get to know Fred Baker? The four

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or five other members that were exposed to that a

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nominalist health incident, Like who are they? Are they gonna

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come uh, you know, to to the to the four. Yeah,

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so there's just like probably a lot more if I

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were to just riff, but like, yeah, I a lot.

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I want to know. I have no reason to doubt

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his credibility. I think he is who he says he is,

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and I think this story is is is vertical, But

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there are so many loose threads that need to be

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that need to be chased down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so we have a statement from Jake Barber

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regarding regarding his background. So let's see here, So Jake says,

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a combat control was my gateway. I was pre selected

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as a teenager and given a ten year contract into CCT.

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Speaker 2: Graduated selection, went.

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Speaker 1: Through training in the pipeline, and then was re routed

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to my cover job as an airplane mechanic, then assigned

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to Pope Air Force Base. Again, that's a statement from

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Jake Barbara provided to The Good Trouble Show.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so what are your thoughts on that? Your reaction?

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Speaker 3: I mean that that would explain it, right in terms

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of the sort of the d D two to fourteen

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sort of like break, right in terms of his apparent

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career versus like how he ended up there. And Pope

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Air Force Base I believe is the headquarter of of

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of the STS twenty fourth right, that's the Knights Talkers

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sort of headquarters, right, So that that would align with

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with getting routed into that that organization as a as

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a as a Tier one Special Mission Unit operator. So yeah,

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I mean seems to be there might be might be

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folks that have more detailed questions on how that worked,

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but it seems seems fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. Any again, I think I know

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Jesse Michael's uh and some others have have spoken with him,

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so I think that there will be be some stuff

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that will will will certainly come out more more detail now.

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Jake states that that he worked for the you know

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this contractor on the range recovering downcraft and things that

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were exotic in nature, including one demonstrating one of the

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five observables which he said would which completely completely shocked me.

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I did was not expecting this when he said that

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one of the he's seen these things come out of

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the ground or come out of a ridge. Were you

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as shocked by that revelation as s I was. It

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was that really threw me.

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Speaker 3: I mean depends on how you interpret it, right, I mean

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I can construct two possible explanations, one much more exotic

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than the other. Right, The very exotic explanation is it's literally,

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you know, somehow able to penetrate solid surfaces. And of

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course there's like the famous slide nine that you can

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point to, which alleges that some of these anomalous craft

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have the ability to sort of penetrate solid surfaces, which

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of course is a feat of physics that I don't

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know exactly how that could be accomplished. The world contains wonders,

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so remains to be remains to be filled in how

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that's possible and alterntive explanation is, you know, there are

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pretty effective concealment methods right to you know, hide launch

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facilities or bases or other hangars right in what would

479
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,839
otherwise be unremarkable, you know, scrub brush or hillsides or

480
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,680
mountain sides, right and we've gotten pretty good at those

481
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,279
sorts of concealment tactics and technologies. And so yeah, for

482
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,359
someone who doesn't know that there's a secret sort of

483
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,960
facility there, all of a sudden, you know, something flies

484
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,640
out of what looks like a solid hillside, could be

485
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,960
quite anomalous when really it's just like a fancy screen

486
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,240
that it's passing through from an otherwise accessible voice. So

487
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,200
who knows. This is just me, you know, trying to

488
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,039
interpret that off of very limited sort of evidence. But

489
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,720
I'd say, you know, until I know exactly how the

490
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,920
penetrating hard services could could work, then you know, I'm

491
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,960
sort of I'm suspending judgment. But you know, it stands

492
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,240
to reason at a facility like say Whismer or other

493
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,440
other facilities where we have very secret operations, you know,

494
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:58,279
concealing secret bases would be a part for the course.

495
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,200
And so someone who doesn't know the location of all

496
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,200
those facilities, who's just playing around observing activity, might see

497
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,839
things fly out of what otherwise appears to be an

498
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,400
unremarkable hillside, and it actually is the location of a

499
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,240
secret hangar. Right, just has good concealment.

500
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this stuff continues to just just blow my time,

501
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,319
blow my mind time and time again. Now he gave,

502
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,160
as you said before, an example of these two recovered craft.

503
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,079
One was this eight gone craft, which I thought was

504
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,960
really interesting. So let's watch a bit from Ross coultheart's interview.

505
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,079
Speaker 4: There's two objects that I'm here to talk about. One

506
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,359
was the egg. The other is what we called an

507
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,359
eight gone. The eight gone was a essentially a flying

508
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,200
disc with what looked like eight delineated sections when looking down.

509
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,920
And I can tell you what it looked like from

510
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,319
looking down because that's primarily how I saw it, because

511
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,559
I'm a helicopter pilot.

512
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

513
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think you pointed this

514
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:59,759
out earlier, this this eight gone phraseology. It's like, I

515
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,720
almost wonder if if that wasn't the first time they

516
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,319
picked up vehicles like that, and it's like, hey, that's

517
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,960
what everybody in the office calls that thing, the eight gone.

518
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,359
It's just such a not something that you I think

519
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,039
people would normally use if they saw an octagon shaped

520
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:18,839
shaped thing.

521
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,799
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on that?

522
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if I remember, his specific description is

523
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,240
it was like a regular disc, but from an overhead perspective,

524
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,880
it was divided into eight sections. So maybe that's why

525
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,920
they don't use octagon. Octagon implies you know, like you know,

526
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,079
like a polytope that has eight sides. Right, this is

527
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,480
maybe it's actually just like a circle, but it has

528
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,559
eight divisions, so they called it not, you know, an

529
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,200
eight gone. Yeah, I mean, who knows. It definitely seems

530
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,480
like this city's recovered twice, right, I think that was

531
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,160
the case. And that was also when he had that

532
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,759
kind of you know, almost like religious or spiritual connection,

533
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,279
so obviously that would stick in his memory. But yeah,

534
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,559
it seems the phraseology is quite sort of an in

535
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,920
group jargon.

536
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very very, very very specific. Now, of course,

537
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,400
everybody's a buzz about the second one, which is this

538
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,519
egg shape craft and let's look at the look at

539
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,279
the video here. Everyone has seen this, of course, but

540
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,359
but you know, I had a few questions if if

541
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,759
you know, if you would have any sort of thoughts

542
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,599
on this, because certainly I'm not an image expert, I'm

543
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,680
not a helicopter pilot. I've never done been around anything

544
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,559
like this. But one one person was asking, like, why

545
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,960
is there no apparent rotor wash? Have you know? It's

546
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,759
hard to judge the altitude or actually what the terrain is.

547
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,640
Any any ideas.

548
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,839
Speaker 3: Again, this is me especially, I'm not a helicopter pilet.

549
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,000
But if they have one hundred and fifty feet high, right,

550
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,680
like rotor wash wouldn't actually be all that strong down there.

551
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,319
And if it's like quite dry, you know, scrub or

552
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,960
just desert like hard packed dirt and white sands is

553
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,480
like that, there might not be a lot, right And

554
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,680
if it's traveling over there, most of the water rush

555
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,960
could be sort of dissipated or lagging the path of

556
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:18,480
the egg. But you know, I'm just I'm just spewing, right.

557
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,559
I mean the thing about the video, though I think

558
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:25,319
people didn't pick up on it's not again we could

559
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,759
dig into the details of the video and do some

560
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,640
forensics on et cetera. But like the first point I

561
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,039
haven't seen brought up, which is, Okay, let's assume the

562
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,279
video is true. Let's assume this is a video taken

563
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:41,640
from a helicopter involved in a UAP recovery operation. Why

564
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
and it wasn't. It wasn't from Barber, It's from somebody

565
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,599
else that apparently, you know, the News Nation Rosscott got

566
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,559
a hold of. Right, What that would imply to the

567
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,519
Legacy Program is that they have somebody inside who's got

568
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,119
access to such video evidence who is now willing to

569
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,440
share it with a journalist. And that seems to be

570
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,640
almost like the real point of the video, right. The

571
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,200
point of the video wasn't to like prove to the

572
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,720
average watcher that there's like true anomalous egg shaped UAPs,

573
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,200
the true I think the point of the video was

574
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680
to send a signal to the Legacy Program that you

575
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,720
guys have a problem. We have people on the inside.

576
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,079
They're willing to share videos like this with us. There

577
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000
might be more videos like this, You have a problem,

578
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:28,200
and it might trigger a whole bunch of anxiety and

579
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960
sort of counterintelligence. Like Okay, if it is a true video,

580
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,359
then the people inside the Legacy Program know exactly what

581
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,559
operation that was that was on. They know who was

582
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,759
in the helicopter, they know who was hosting like the

583
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,440
lights down there, So they're going to now hunt who's involved.

584
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Where did this come from? Right, It's going to create

585
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,640
kind of internal kind of intelligence, which creates opportunity.

586
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:47,799
Speaker 1: Right.

587
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:49,759
Speaker 3: That's sort of what you do in traditional counter intelligence

588
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,200
where you're trying to like poke the bear or create dissension.

589
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,079
You create noise, you create adjuta, and that sometimes makes

590
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,880
that adversary service make mistakes right and makes them try

591
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,960
to do things, try to cover things up, and maybe

592
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,319
that provides opportunity again. So I think people look at

593
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,000
this as like you know, the meta level, right, they're

594
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,480
they're sort of missing that. It's like this was if

595
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,039
it's true, right, then then this is a huge problem

596
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,000
for the Legacy program, like a a absolute fire, like

597
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,559
they've never had anything like this, right, like come right,

598
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,160
and so this is a true five all on fire

599
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,240
from their perspective, right of uh oh, like we have

600
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,319
a serious leak. Is this is this hit? Right? And

601
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,359
and now you have that combined with the fact you've

602
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,599
got multiple you know, Tier one operators coming forward basically

603
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,279
saying we were part of these programs and we're not

604
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,279
going to take it anymore. And by the way, we

605
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:42,319
are recruiting from inside your house. We're recruiting people like

606
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,839
us that essentially, you know, nont longer feel threatened or

607
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920
loyal to you anymore. That seems like a house of

608
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,400
cards type of situation for the Legacy program, Right. So

609
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,960
that's that was the thing that I picked up on

610
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,680
the most about the video itself, right, And then you

611
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,319
can go back into assessing, Okay, okay, what is the

612
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,359
apparent inertia of the egg It does it actually have mass?

613
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,119
It seems like it does because it's sort of lagging

614
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,400
the path of the of the tether. It seems to

615
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,079
roll with a certain amount of momentum. It seems to

616
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,759
be artificial lighting on there. Right, it seems like a

617
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,720
staging area for its for it to be dropped into

618
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,119
its into its pickup zone, and you know, it seems

619
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,839
to be what it is, right. I think people are

620
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,920
missing out on the most important point, which is like

621
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480
this was a signal sent to a legacy program that

622
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:31,000
we have people willing to share videos like this. You know,

623
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,200
be careful, it might not be the last one.

624
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guarantee you two things. One, there are people

625
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,279
in the Legacy program that realize that what is going

626
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,400
on is un American, it's illegal, and there are a

627
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,640
lot of them that are yeah, it's that are going

628
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,480
to start talking and and and second the second thing

629
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,880
I absolutely guarantee you is there are going to be

630
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,440
more Jaysakh Tier one folks that are gonna come out

631
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:09,000
just like a Jake did and and you know, bring

632
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,639
us stuff out. And I virtually guarantee you as well, Uh,

633
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,519
there's probably.

634
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: Gonna be more footage of things.

635
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: But you know, do you have any idea or thoughts

636
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,079
as far as like, you know, why he didn't mention

637
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,000
the number of UAP crash recovery operations that he participated in,

638
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,760
or you know, or provided more details in terms of like,

639
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,840
you know, was that a landing zone? Like how big

640
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,559
are the crews? That was one thing I wish there

641
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,320
were a little bit more background on on those little

642
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,320
details that I think would have filled the picture in more.

643
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have loved to have like a like

644
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,000
let's just zoom in do like show me the TikTok

645
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,920
of like from that, like from the minute you get

646
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440
that intelligence that you're going to go on this operation, like,

647
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,039
do you know what you're going to pick up? Do

648
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,400
you know in advance? He said, these the communications protocols change,

649
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Like what did that mean? Like why would that be different?

650
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:07,400
What were those communications protocols? And why would it be

651
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,159
different for this? Like was this like a pattern you

652
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,320
had detected or just something you learned after the fact? Uh?

653
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,159
Was just like an A And I like, I don't

654
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239
know if we've got to solid answer the question like

655
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,039
how many in total he supported? It seemed you know,

656
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,480
he's here to talk about two objects, right, the egg

657
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,639
and the and the and the eight gone? But it

658
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,280
was it was, it was that it. Yeah, and again,

659
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,360
these are just lots of lots of more questions I'm

660
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840
very curious to know about. I'm maybe there'll be future

661
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,559
opportunities to kind of unpack that. I think there will be,

662
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,880
But yeah, this is I think just the door opener.

663
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:40,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I do know that he went through the

664
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,719
dopts or process, so it's highly likely that that those

665
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,119
were probably the only two things that that he was

666
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,920
cleared to to speak about. But yeah, I would just

667
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,400
I would love to know more more background because I

668
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,360
think it's really really fascinating and speaking of fascinating this

669
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,400
this whole psionic operator thing. That was another thing that

670
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,480
really really took me by surprise, these you know, psionic

671
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,000
operators that Jake spoke about that would summon these craft.

672
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,079
Have you ever heard of any government program, special access

673
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,840
program or controlled access program that actually recruits and trains

674
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:20,960
these operators.

675
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I've only heard I've heard this specific allegation before,

676
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,079
but it's all through you know, a variety of you know,

677
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,800
typical kind of back conversations, right. I never had you know,

678
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,639
firsthand knowledge of anything to substantiate it. But of course

679
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,280
I looked at this as I kept an open mind

680
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,039
on this whole subject for the past several years, as

681
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:49,159
I've gotten further further into it, and I one of

682
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,840
the things that definitely stood out to me very early

683
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,159
on was just how oddly close the historical UFO programs

684
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,760
of the US government were. Right, two kind of are weird?

685
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,880
Are other weird stuff right, like the MK ultrast stuff

686
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,840
as well as the remote viewing stuff, right, how put off,

687
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,320
et cetera. There seem to be these tight linkages over

688
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,760
time between the US government's exploration into the anomalous phenomena

689
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,800
associated with UAPs and the anomalous sort of mental states

690
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,280
that can be either induced by sort of you know,

691
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:26,639
novel cocktails or or sort of transcendal meditative practices. And

692
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,280
this was like anne of new thing. It seems like,

693
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,440
you know, part of that kind of behind the behind

694
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,400
the door sort of research by the US government over

695
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,519
over over many decades that had also been subject to

696
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,880
the same sorts of taboo and sort of derision, right

697
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,000
to kind of cover all in a sense of of

698
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,039
wooy nonsense. And I think, you know, it's important to

699
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,280
step back and like to assess this like analytically. You

700
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,920
have to establish like a good prior. And that's really

701
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,440
hard just taking the UAP question right, because to establish

702
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,719
a good prior for the UAP question slash NHI question

703
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,800
means you have to like really get into the detail

704
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,639
and the weeds associated with what you think like a

705
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,320
plausible theory of a panspermia or extraterrestrial intelligence in the universes,

706
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,519
if that's the Canada hypothesis that you want to develop

707
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,480
a prior for, or transdimensional you know, some novel breakthrough,

708
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,519
some novel aspect of physics that we don't understand. That's

709
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,960
the prior that you have to motivate for for that hypothesis.

710
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,559
If it's trans temporal, then you have to again look

711
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,679
at some frontiers of physics and try to motivate you know,

712
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,360
a basic prior that maybe accounts for that hypothesis or

713
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,199
some sort of cryptoterrestrial hypothesis where you have to account

714
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,599
for some really anomalous alternative to the typical story of

715
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,119
civilization on planet Earth. And so those are just all

716
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,760
separate domains of deeply fraught you know, scientific historical sort

717
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,960
of assessment just to motivate a prior to try to evaluate, okay,

718
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,639
what's a plausible baseline right to then, which the like

719
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,800
Nhi hypothesis. Then you have the size stuff, which is

720
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,960
its own whole, separate kind of candidate domain where you

721
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,920
have to do the same thing right, And there it's

722
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
even trickier because you know, the consciousness like one of

723
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400
those your reducible mysteries, right that that philosophy and science

724
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,159
hasn't really come up with a good account for it. Right,

725
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,079
there's still this sort of irreconcilable debates going back two

726
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,880
thousand years about uh, you know, dualism versus physicalism, et cetera. Uh,

727
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,440
and what is the nature of consciousness as a as

728
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,519
a as an aspect of reality is something we're still

729
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:33,000
really like barely getting our teeth into. And so you

730
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:37,079
have to like come to some preliminary you know, conclusion

731
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,960
or a preliminary view of the nature of consciousness in

732
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,039
the structure of reality to then even try to you know,

733
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:49,280
baseline a prior for is something like remote viewing, or

734
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,400
is something like uh, you know, pside phenomenon real And

735
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,840
then you know, to add difficulty to the whole thing,

736
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,719
you have to then take those two separate extremely fraud

737
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,599
analytic domains and push them together, right to have to

738
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,760
connect you know, some candidate theory of NHI to some

739
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,800
candidate theory of consciousness in reality that that accounts for

740
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,320
all these anomalists, you know, stories coming out of apparently

741
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,559
credible individuals like this individual, and of course the long

742
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:21,559
history of government research and scientific sort of behind the

743
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:25,000
curtain activity. And so I don't dismiss it at all.

744
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,559
I think it's it's the most it's it's particularly challenging

745
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,559
I think for most people because a lot of people

746
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,599
don't have like a good mental model or even like

747
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,800
a baseline, uh, philosophical or scientific framework that can even

748
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,679
even help try to account for it in a naturalistic way, right,

749
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:44,079
Like I'm funnily a naturalist. I don't believe as anything

750
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,079
is like just like universe just does things, right that

751
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,360
just you know, random that you can't explain, everything is

752
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,119
ultimately explainable, right, just requires a conceptual framework that maybe

753
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,280
we haven't developed yet. And I think, yeah, these phenomena

754
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,800
are like the most challenging parts of that because they

755
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,199
through you into the domains of our of our knowledge,

756
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,920
where we're the most ignorant, and where the anxiety about

757
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,239
that ignorance is the most acute, and people are sometimes

758
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
especially you know, these two things that probably the most

759
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,280
uh sort of anxiety inducing, right, the idea that there's

760
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,159
a higher form of intelligence that we don't understand that

761
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,800
is potentially interacting with us, uh, with motives that we

762
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,639
you know, only can barely discern. And then consciousness, which

763
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:26,760
is like the very essence of who we are right

764
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
as like you know, beings in the world, and the

765
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,639
idea that that is there's there's degrees of freedom asssy

766
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,239
with that could be empowering but also terrifying, depending on

767
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,360
on your on your on your stance, right. Uh, and

768
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,400
it put those two together, right, meaning that there's a

769
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,760
way of using or leveraging or or or adapting your

770
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,679
your certain sort of consciousness, a certain state of consciousness

771
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,599
in a way that connects with or engages with, you know,

772
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,480
an alien craft or some non human intelligence that is

773
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,599
like like that requires a lot of leaps right in

774
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,800
an election, truly psychologically, So I get why people would

775
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,159
would would watch that last night and just be like,

776
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,239
I can't like that's a that's a too big of

777
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,880
a pill for me to swallow at this point. But

778
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,719
I don't know, like reality is under no obligation to

779
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,920
like respect your psychological tolerance, right or discomfort, and uh,

780
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,480
you know, it is just what it is, so you know,

781
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,000
it's important to kind of keep it open mind.

782
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one thing that that crossed my mind

783
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,639
is you know he was talking about you know, them

784
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,480
calling these craft and you know they're either knocked out

785
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,599
of the sky or or they land, but you know

786
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,920
what's in them? So if you are there pilots, is

787
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,519
there a non human entity in these vehicles that they're

788
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:47,079
bringing down? Which leads you to wonder, well, you know,

789
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,719
what are done with them, you know, what are done

790
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,039
with these nhai these entities. If if these things are

791
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:56,039
knocked down and there are pilots in them, what happens

792
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:56,639
to them? I mean?

793
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: And and then of course.

794
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: The ethical the ethical question, you know, really just you know,

795
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,440
kind of comes to you know, comes to mind. But

796
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,400
but but as far as like the whole scionic thing,

797
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,519
do you think that aspect of the story hurt the

798
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,159
credibility of the story or as you you know, say,

799
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,119
you know you can't pick or choose what the truth is?

800
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Do you think it was Do you think it was

801
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,199
a good call having that part of the you know,

802
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,000
that aspect of the story in there.

803
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm one of these people who's just like, if you

804
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,800
can't take it, that's your problem, right, Like, uh, you know,

805
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,679
there's the reality is what it reality is, If these

806
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:36,760
are the facts that it has to by this individual.

807
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,159
I think it would be irresponsible to sort of self

808
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:43,760
censor just because you think a certain set of individuals

809
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:49,000
aren't going to be psychologically or or or scientifically inclined, right,

810
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,599
I think you just need to lay out, as Dary

811
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,239
Nolan would saying, like lay out the data the first

812
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,679
person experience, right, whether it's whether it's uh, you know,

813
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,039
what's underlying that phenomenon, what ex lanes it is, you know,

814
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,280
several steps of work to even get your arms around.

815
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,159
But I think just to deny or just to ignore

816
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:15,079
what is apparent, like you know, empirical observations is leaving

817
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,480
stuff off the table. Right It's like, Okay, there are

818
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,679
people out there that are apparently trained by the US

819
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,519
government to do this thing, and there are highly trained

820
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:26,199
individual's associated with Special four Forces who are conducting these

821
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,239
operations to bring these craft in the possession of the

822
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,280
US government or private era you know, aerospace contractors, And

823
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,440
these are things that have been said to our national

824
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,679
leadership inside you know, skiffs inside DC. That seems like

825
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,519
a thing I want to know. I don't necessarily know

826
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:44,400
how to make like what to make of it, But

827
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,119
it seems like just because people get uncomfortable with it

828
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,679
is not a reason not to talk about it. And

829
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,800
I don't know, I don't know what PREMU face you

830
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:59,000
why that is any less you know of an issue

831
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:03,159
than the idea non human intelligence, right like flying around

832
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,320
our aerospace willy nilly, or that our our garment has

833
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,599
been trying to reverse into your like it's all weird

834
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,000
and bizarre and absurd to a certain extent, and so

835
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,760
it seems a bit arbitrary to draw a particular line

836
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,000
and say no, no, this is too bizarre and too absurd.

837
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,679
I don't know, I'm I uh, maybe I'm just psychologically

838
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,320
I have a pretty broad broad threshold for for for

839
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,280
this sort of stuff, because I try to say together, like,

840
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,000
the world is what it is, right, you want to

841
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,119
understand the world like you got to meet it where

842
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,039
where it is right, and that requires getting outside of

843
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,559
a particular comfort zone and also not imposing any little

844
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:49,679
of lateent attitudes or preconceptions right on it right, And

845
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,559
that that goes for the you know, the skeptics as

846
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,400
well as the folks that believe this is all true,

847
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,559
because a lot of people that you know fervently have

848
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,320
a view on the reality of all this also have

849
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,800
loaded in a lot of other metaphysical ideas associate with

850
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,119
this phenomenon, and that can also contort their interpretation of

851
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,639
these sorts of phenomenon. And I try to remain as

852
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,039
neutral as possible and just try to like take the

853
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:18,079
first hand experiences and observations and not try to dismiss anything.

854
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I want to move on to the health

855
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,719
effects part of the interview. So Jake described significant health

856
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,480
effects he and his coworkers experienced after transporting a crate

857
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,719
that contained some kind of item.

858
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: They had no idea what was in this mystery crate.

859
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,199
Speaker 1: He stated that they would often transport these crates having

860
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,280
literally no idea what's in them. And doctor Gary Nolan

861
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,360
looked at his medical records and stated that it looked

862
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,239
like they likely had some kind of radiation exposure. I mean,

863
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,639
there is a long history in the literature of people

864
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,599
that are coming in close contact with UAP having similar

865
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,559
sort of health effects, correct.

866
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you can go back to the to the

867
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,920
Randalls incident, right they got you know, their I think

868
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,079
their health records were classified and then it took uh

869
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,239
took John McCain to release them and they got their

870
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,280
benefits paid out. And yeah, Gary Nolan of course has

871
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,119
led that study right where they were trying to decipiliguate

872
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,760
the traditional heavness syndrome, you know, uh, you know, adversary

873
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,639
attacks on our intelligence and military personnel from these more

874
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,239
anomalous encounters, uh, where Yeah, there was clear physiological effects.

875
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,840
I think part of the was it the as APP.

876
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,960
I think they'd done some uh some papers on you know,

877
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,239
sort of subcutaneous near field effects of exposure to to

878
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,800
to these types of craft, and I think, yeah, this

879
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,480
is this is you know, an area where there's been

880
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,559
a lot, unfortunately of of of of ANET data associated

881
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:56,320
with military intelligence personnel encountering an almost craft or or

882
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,119
other phenomenon and developing you know, physiological effects. And think

883
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,280
Glue has talked about this as well. Sure abdict of

884
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,360
a lot of their you know what they were looking

885
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,679
at is you know, under a tip. So yeah, I

886
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,519
mean it stands to reason the right if you're going

887
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,840
to have weird things you don't exactly know how they operate.

888
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,119
You know what we're saying, what propulsion or what energy

889
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,559
source and you don't tell these guys like what's in

890
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,840
the box. It seems a bit irresponsible to me. But

891
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,679
then again, the people running these programs maybe have a

892
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,719
different sense of the calculations on collateral damage and effects

893
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:32,880
on the personnel.

894
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, which is really really sad, you know. And

895
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
he mentioned that his team like if they were say

896
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,440
like transporting a nuclear weapon or biological weapon, you know,

897
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,239
some kind of NBC item that the team would have

898
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,400
been informed of the cargo so that they could you know,

899
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,559
wear appropriate a protective protective gear so you know the

900
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,880
health effects that are experienced by this team. You know

901
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,119
this To me, this syndicates that this defense contra actor. Uh,

902
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:03,920
it doesn't really like take you know, take it seriously.

903
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,480
So is like, is this an example or or just

904
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,599
one more reason why Congress should hold a church church

905
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,920
committee type uh, you know type hearing to get into

906
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,079
these sorts of things. If if if our men and

907
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,599
women that have you know, worn the uniform serve this

908
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:26,159
country are being put in harm's way and they don't

909
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:29,039
seem to care about it, it mean if that doesn't

910
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:30,400
call for a hearing, I don't know what does.

911
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, not just the fact that you have you know,

912
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,000
probably I think documented medical evidence right in their in

913
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,440
their in their records that I think Gary looked at

914
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,960
that these individuals associated with this this operational basically similar

915
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,880
similar effects. But the I want to go back to

916
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,679
the tough books thing because that that's the thing that

917
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,920
I sticks out of my mind, is like the WTF

918
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,679
for that? Because that was happening, that's happening on us

919
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,320
soil right. I think you said the High Sierras in California. Yeah,

920
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,800
these Pansemic tough books, they were being sent out, and

921
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,039
I think that it wasn't in the clip, but it

922
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,679
was in the News Nation article. There's a reference to

923
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,559
the fact that the allegation is that these tough books

924
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:16,039
were put were basically collecting sensor data illegally by the contractor,

925
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,599
and the contractor was sending his team out to go

926
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,199
basically like retrieve these to kind of cover it up,

927
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,039
like the implication being that there are some you know,

928
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,079
legacy program activity is taking place, and the contractor wanted

929
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,679
to surveptitiously collect their own data on maybe some test

930
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,280
flights of some things, right, and get themselves bargaining power

931
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,360
maybe over another contractor, or over the government sponsor or

932
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,000
whatever like who knows, right, But there was a clear

933
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,519
allegation that these tough books were there collecting data you

934
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,280
know institute, right, because normally you wouldn't do that, right normally,

935
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,480
you know, you're you're up in a remote area. You

936
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,119
want to try to do like a satellite uplink right

937
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:57,519
to try to you don't have to fly out an

938
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,480
entire helicopter out there, just to get like one hard

939
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:01,719
drive from a computer, right, not not the most like

940
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,880
efficient way to do a collection operation. Uh So, clearly

941
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480
this was like you know, put They're putting these things

942
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,679
in place in a very deniable way, in a very

943
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,559
covert way, and they didn't want people to know about them.

944
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,320
And his allegation after feeling very squirrely about the nature

945
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,559
of their intelligence collection that they're their intelligence tasking on

946
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,480
one of these operations, they get there and there's evidence

947
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:26,280
of shots fired. I'm sorry, but like that's on US soil.

948
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,119
Is like that needs investigation, Like why is there? Why

949
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,039
are there apparent firefights happening on US soil up in

950
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,719
the mountains over these you know, Panasonic tough books with

951
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,800
potentially illegal sensor data being collected on you know, very

952
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,239
sensitive program operations like this. The whole thing is insane

953
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,559
and squirrellly and like ridiculous, and it's like, but it

954
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,360
can't just be dismissed, Like this guy's making a very

955
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,159
serious allegation here, and then the whole thing about they

956
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,519
find them later in the you know, you know, twenty

957
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:56,599
feet down in a lake.

958
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that about?

959
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,159
Speaker 3: So many questions about that, Like one, how do they

960
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:01,079
how do they find that?

961
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: Right?

962
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: Like what intelligence told them it was dropped in a

963
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,960
lake that have overhead collection? Was there like a little

964
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,960
beacon in it? And then they get there, like it's

965
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,960
not easy to find like a little container of hard

966
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,559
drives like in a lake, right, Like how do they

967
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,719
find that? Like who's diving? Like there's so many questions

968
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,360
I have just about that story, right, Like take away

969
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,760
the OAP thing. If it was just an allegation that

970
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,760
a contractor is conducting essentially these off booked operations on

971
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,079
American soil to collect sensor data on some test or

972
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,599
some other operational activity taking place, and it sends out

973
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,000
its own sort of you know, its own crew to

974
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:42,840
go recover these things. That crew says that there's been

975
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,039
a firefight. Then they get weird intelligence that they think

976
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,119
they're being set up. Like okay, forget the OAP thing,

977
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:53,800
that that itself seems highly problematic and requires investigation, like well,

978
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
what's who's their contractor? Like who's the per conswer here?

979
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,599
Like what was going on? That seems highly irregular? It's

980
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,039
had taken place like in California, Right, this is not

981
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,360
like some you know back you know, backwater in Afghanistan.

982
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,559
This is like right here, so that whole thing. People

983
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,599
will obviously focus on the egg video and everything else,

984
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:18,280
but like that was bananas from from my perspective. I

985
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,400
have so many questions about that.

986
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, and what was interesting too.

987
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,159
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how he described it, but I

988
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,679
think he said he went back to the Pentagon and

989
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,039
I don't know if it was the program manager he

990
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,639
ran into or you know, he confronted somebody about this

991
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:37,920
thing and the guy said, you know, it's best we

992
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,079
not talk about it, but do you remember exactly what

993
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,320
it was?

994
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit fuzzy.

995
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing I want. I want to like

996
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,880
because I think what, like my interpretation again from the

997
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,480
story was that that particular operation cluded him and his

998
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,719
team into something was fundamentally wrong with all of this, right,

999
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,840
and they felt like their lives were in danger, that

1000
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,599
they're being set up right, that they're essentially, you know,

1001
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,280
the hidden hand that could be cut off, right, they're expendable,

1002
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,480
fundamentally right, and that then they decided to figure out, okay,

1003
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,519
maybe to get some insurance on themselves. Right, if you

1004
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:13,639
feel like you're expendable and maybe your employer or somebody

1005
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,760
else is looking to set you up, Like what do

1006
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,199
you do. You try to get insurance, right, you try

1007
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,480
to get something that like provides you leverage. And and

1008
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,119
then maybe they did that, and then they started doing

1009
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,920
their own essentially counterintelligence operation, maybe on their own employer,

1010
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,920
and they found themselves in DC apparently connecting surveillance on

1011
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,039
who knows who That got them back to the security

1012
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:36,239
officer associated with I believe they're their contractor organization and

1013
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,920
a sister organization again not sure who who they're talking

1014
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,760
about where they confronted this gentleman and it was kind

1015
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,159
of this denial, noncommittal sort of thing. But that again,

1016
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440
like I'm very I'm sort of confused by that whole

1017
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,519
sequence of like, well, what was the nature of the threat?

1018
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,199
Who are these like, what is this organization? What what

1019
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,679
was the like the leverage that you've got right, right?

1020
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,760
And maybe obviously you can't make that public, right because

1021
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,239
then it goes away and is the threat gone? Right?

1022
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,719
I think I've also heard that during the last year

1023
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,559
and a half, as Ross's were putting a story that

1024
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,440
a number of other you know, special operators came into

1025
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,639
kind of at provide protection for for Jake and other people. So,

1026
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,559
you know, I step back and I look at this,

1027
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:28,559
and it seems quite shocking, right, like people focused on

1028
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:30,920
this egg thing and kind of making kind of making

1029
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,159
light of the situation, which is to me a bit

1030
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,840
juvenile when you actually someone who serve their country at

1031
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,800
a very high level and backed up by people with

1032
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,639
extremely you know, strong professional bona fides as you know,

1033
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,760
special operators who are saying like they felt credibly threatened

1034
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,760
by their own you know, contract organization, maybe in cahoots

1035
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,719
with the US government to like uh, you know, set

1036
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,880
them up or even kill them, and that maybe even

1037
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,440
colleagues of theirs were killed. Like that's as serious as

1038
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,800
as it gets, of course, and who knows. I mean,

1039
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,440
you could you could disbelieve any of the UAP technology

1040
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,559
on an origin alien stuff or psionic stuff and just

1041
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,199
be like, well, you know, these guys are actual you know,

1042
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:18,000
military personnel alleging like major impropriety, maybe even murder on

1043
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,639
behalf of a cover up of a secret government pergract.

1044
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,440
Like that's that's page one news for me. And if

1045
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,320
the alien stuff is there, well then of course then

1046
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,840
it makes it even more significant.

1047
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's truly, it's it's sad, you know.

1048
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,440
And the other thing too, is that him speaking about that.

1049
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:41,320
Maybe not those specific details, but that lines up with

1050
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,119
what we have been hearing for quite some time that

1051
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,360
this sort of this sort of thing, this sort of

1052
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,519
thing happens. If you have a few more minutes, I'd

1053
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:54,800
love to throw some adius questions your way. Sure cool, okay, great. Firstly,

1054
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,639
Science Bob. We love Science Bob, he says, Welcome to

1055
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:04,039
the mug Brigade. Matthew pist don't forget mine. Yeah, I

1056
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,480
do need to make some mugs. Glad you are giving

1057
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,199
us your perspective. So I thank you, Science Bob. We're

1058
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,719
very happy to have Matthew back. Richard Nelson, what about

1059
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,239
the UFO called in that fell out of the sky?

1060
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:20,199
Did they go to the retrieve it? What about the

1061
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,400
UFO they called in that fell out of the sky.

1062
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,280
Did they go to retrieve it? I think he said

1063
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,639
they did. I don't recall.

1064
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: Sure. Again, this is another episode. There are so many

1065
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,159
from that last forty month. It's like every two minutes

1066
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:33,960
there was another thing that you wanted to like zoom

1067
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,960
in and just have like an hour deep dive just

1068
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,039
on that. But like at the very end, right they

1069
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,280
talk about the Skywatcher operation right now, a private sector

1070
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,880
initiative taking individuals associate with these legacy programs and apparently

1071
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,639
psionic assets that have this either endogenous and or developed

1072
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:54,280
trained ability to yeah, call down or engage with and

1073
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,440
communicate or control who knows, some subset of the alleged

1074
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,960
non human intelligence craft that are in our presence and

1075
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,000
bring them down, right, But the ledge during that operation

1076
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:09,079
that essentially there was like a rogue UAP that came

1077
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:14,000
in and effectively like shot or somehow knocked the one

1078
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800
that they were engaging with out of the sky, and

1079
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,440
that they showed some blurry images of what might be

1080
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,559
that object kind of coming down again. Kind of very

1081
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,079
inconclusive to whatever I was able to see on the

1082
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,159
News Nation program. Maybe they have, you know, a lot

1083
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,719
of data that they've backed up on that. I don't

1084
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,920
know if they actually want to retrieve it. I don't

1085
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,159
actually know where that was, if it was in control

1086
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,679
it was, if it was in a controlled space, I

1087
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,840
don't know what capabilities Scott Watcher has to like airlift

1088
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,199
you know, out there, or do facility protection or do

1089
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,519
like perimeter protection actually get a craft like that TBD.

1090
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,079
Seems like they have a lot of resources, but I'm

1091
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,480
not aware that they actually retrieved that particular object. But yeah,

1092
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:59,360
but that that whole episode, right, it's itself right, like

1093
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,639
I want to I want to learn a lot more

1094
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:04,800
about that, and it's very suggestive of something anomalous.

1095
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1096
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: Uh, and again connects into this like, Okay, you can

1097
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:13,039
try to understand how this whole synic thing is happening,

1098
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:17,760
if it's real or not. But conducting real operations, Okay,

1099
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,559
it's like, well you could just you know, do it, right, like,

1100
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,639
just do it and then see if it happens again.

1101
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,280
It's like science is repeatable, and so if this is

1102
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,360
a repeatable phenomenon, then it's just amount of executing it

1103
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,960
at scale with high quality sensor data, with multiple observations

1104
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,559
and prove to the world that it's real. Right, this

1105
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,480
should be like like the same thing with the size stuff, right, Like,

1106
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:43,079
because it's been couched in so much stigma, I think

1107
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,719
that like all this serious research has been done behind

1108
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,400
the curtain, right most you know, only a few like

1109
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,840
really heterodox fringe scientists have even tried to touch this

1110
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,320
stuff and even then it's kind of ambiguous. Sometimes you

1111
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,119
get decent sort of suggestive results some places, but I

1112
00:59:56,159 --> 01:00:01,000
think you need like well resourced, serious professional u rigorous

1113
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:04,840
scientific efforts and all these domains, and you can do

1114
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,880
it on the private sector, like reality is there, right,

1115
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,320
So you don't need to wait for big day government's

1116
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,360
permission to tell you all this stuff. If you just

1117
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,800
have the resources and the skills and you know the focus,

1118
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,239
you can just do it and then prove to the

1119
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:19,119
world whether it's real or not. I think that's like

1120
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,199
potentially the prospect that we might be seeing in the

1121
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:22,159
next few months.

1122
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: Who knows, Yeah, yeah, nope, nope, for sure. So at

1123
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,039
the end of the day, do you think this interview

1124
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,840
moved the needle in terms of disclosure, motivating Congress to

1125
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,480
act on this more than they have and even better,

1126
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,679
hopefully motivate the incoming Trump administration to finally right this wrong.

1127
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: I think this I've heard this is just the first

1128
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,159
of many things right coming right, and that you know,

1129
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:58,039
whether it's a dam breaking, What this signifies is an

1130
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:01,239
inflection point in the perception by a number of core

1131
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:05,280
individuals that have apparently direct and engagement with these programs

1132
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,079
coming out and saying nope, like we're not going to

1133
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,800
keep silent anymore, We're not going to tolerate this, and

1134
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,639
we're not just going to wait for the government to disclose.

1135
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,480
We're going to start doing this ourselves. That is a

1136
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,800
quite dramatic change. And if they are it's very serious

1137
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,320
about pursuing what amounts to like a private sector disclosure

1138
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,159
you know initiative, well that that's potentially you know, a

1139
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,800
forcing function for US garment action because if it is

1140
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,400
possible that a private sector group could demonstrate it's not

1141
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:41,039
not too distant future, the reality of some of these phenomenon, well,

1142
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,280
the government would probably then have to like have its

1143
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,159
own plan for the like managing that right, right, And

1144
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:49,239
maybe that's what they prefer. Maybe they would prefer this

1145
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,000
to kind of happen a bit, you know, like an

1146
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:57,239
as if way by private sector initiatives sort of guided

1147
01:01:57,239 --> 01:01:59,360
by knowledge from the program, right, these people coming out

1148
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,639
of these alleged agacy programs to help kind of shape

1149
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:05,360
these private sector initiatives then maybe prepares the ground for

1150
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,719
the government to kind of follow on, right, but where

1151
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:10,960
they don't have to be like out in front. Uh,

1152
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,880
But I don't know this gets to the more political

1153
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,920
decision for the incoming White House. Who's going to be

1154
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,840
who's going to own this right? And that hasn't I

1155
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,639
don't think that's that's taken shape yet, right if there

1156
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,400
is anyone who's willing to kind of take that political responsibility,

1157
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,159
at least at the cabinet level, the National Security Council level.

1158
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,280
I know a lot of those folks are interested in

1159
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,119
the subject. I know, well, obviously you've got Rubio, you've

1160
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,639
got Waltz, you've got you know, the President himself on

1161
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,119
Rogan saying that many people are interested, the people going

1162
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,039
from space like, so clearly they know what's going on

1163
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,119
to a certain extent, I think it's wrapped up in

1164
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:49,599
a lot of other political dynamics taking place obviously in

1165
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,360
the new administration. So I don't know how they will.

1166
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,000
I don't know if there's a master plan, to be

1167
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:57,079
honest about how this because this is you know, that

1168
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,119
gets in the whole ball of wax about you know

1169
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:03,880
the implications of official disclosure, geopolitical, sociological, economic, et cetera.

1170
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,039
And maybe you know they're happy to kind of let

1171
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,159
let these special ops guys and some private sector initiatives

1172
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:14,679
go forward and and you know kind of move the

1173
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,000
needle right on its own, and the government can kind

1174
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,880
of play a bit play a bit dumb right in

1175
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,360
the meantime, but meanwhile kind of like behind the scenes

1176
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,519
like wink and nod at it or support it. I

1177
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:29,519
don't know that seems like a plausible path. We could

1178
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,960
we could be you know, on the next few months,

1179
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,000
who knows. But all it takes though, is like more

1180
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:38,519
people like him, right or other people, more senior people

1181
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,360
coming out and and these tend to have like a

1182
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,400
it's kind of be like a nonlinear thing. Like we

1183
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:46,480
had like kind of a dead zone quiet period right

1184
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:50,199
after Rush, and if you actually go back, it was

1185
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,480
like that's when this guy basically kind of decided to

1186
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,519
you know, start engaging. Right, There's a year and a

1187
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:58,280
half was when it took for kind of this story

1188
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,559
to build up. So that and like a lot potentially

1189
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,960
you know on like like on that sort of timescale,

1190
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:06,960
kind of just stating for a year or year and

1191
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,719
a half and maybe they're already now. And the you know,

1192
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,800
inflection point of a new administration is a natural point

1193
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,880
for for for things to come out, and once somebody

1194
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,800
does it, and it sets a permission structure for other

1195
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,480
people to do it, and it sort of broadens the conversation.

1196
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,519
And yeah, this whole psionic thing is probably not going

1197
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,039
to be the think the government. I think, will you know,

1198
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,960
take the first crack at addressing. But it sort of

1199
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:34,760
it moves the Overton window, like so far that like

1200
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,280
just acknowledging the non the reality of you know, of

1201
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,639
of non human objects that are not of our apparent creation.

1202
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,480
You know, at least it always makes that sound a

1203
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,519
little bit easier than like we have to acknowledge all

1204
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,679
this other stuff. But I know that was a rambling

1205
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,159
answer to the question. I don't really know what administration

1206
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:54,599
is going to do. I don't know if they even

1207
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:55,960
know what they're going to do. I think it's going

1208
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:59,760
to be dictated more by external events. Ideally, you would

1209
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,119
have like a plan, you'd have a person in charge.

1210
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,440
You'd have you know, somebody laying out like the Carl Nell,

1211
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:08,440
the kind of thing. You'd have the kind of the

1212
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,960
the guy kind of setting out the the contours of

1213
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,000
of a of a of a process. But in the

1214
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,400
absence of that, you're going to get individuals taking the

1215
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,519
initiative and the conversation will just be driven by journalists

1216
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,599
and and folks like you and Ross who are just

1217
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,599
you know, taking pieces of you know, touching parts of

1218
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,320
the elephant and saying like, hey, like there's an elephant here. Uh,

1219
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,559
and yeah, that's people are looking for, like the grand

1220
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,440
the grand revelation, Right, I know that it's going to happen.

1221
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,360
It's like, uh, we're going to find more and more

1222
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,440
weird things, uh being uh kind of drawn out as

1223
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,559
individuals like Jake come out and it's not it's not

1224
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,400
the story everyone thought it was. Right, Like that almost

1225
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,360
makes it seem more likely to be true. Right if

1226
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,920
it was if it was if it was just this,

1227
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,880
if it was this big syop, right, I don't think

1228
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,000
they would throw the psionic thing in there, right, that

1229
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,760
that would be a really bad syop. Right. If you're

1230
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,079
trying to get people to to believe this thing, they're

1231
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:06,000
not they're not really doing their their their job right

1232
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:08,760
to make this kind of a palatable siop. Like there's

1233
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,679
stuff in the Christmas turkey with with a lot of

1234
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,159
things that are not easy to digest and make people

1235
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:14,480
just kind of throw their hands up and be like

1236
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,800
this is too much.

1237
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, Matthew. How can folks find you on

1238
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:23,000
social media? Follow your follow your I mean you have

1239
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:25,920
really great posts on X. I love reading your stuff.

1240
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,639
Speaker 3: I mean I just spew you on on on X.

1241
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,679
Yeah at Matthew Underscore Pines. You know, that's where I

1242
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,159
riff on this stuff, and that's basically it.

1243
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, Great well, Matthew, thank you very much for

1244
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,480
joining us and your your coffee mug, your Good Trouble

1245
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:46,800
coffee mug is on its way a priority overnight, and

1246
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,880
hopefully next time we have you on the show, we'll

1247
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,719
see you drinking out of it.

1248
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: I'll be drinking out of my ns A mug.

1249
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.

1250
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: All right, great, all right, Matthew Pines, Ladies and gentlemen, folks. Yeah,

1251
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,280
that was uh, that was just we love. Matthew always

1252
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:07,840
has just such a a in depth analysis of all

1253
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,840
of all of this related to you know, national security.

1254
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,079
I mean, the guy, he can talk for days about bitcoin,

1255
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:19,519
just about just about anything. Just a fan, fantastic, fantastic guest.

1256
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:21,800
And I want to I want to really kind of

1257
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,159
touch on one of the points that he made, which

1258
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:30,800
I think is really really important. I think everyone including myself,

1259
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,440
initially focused on the on the video on this egg,

1260
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,199
and of course you you saw posts or gifts of

1261
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,639
you know, Morgan Mindy and Robin Williams coming out of

1262
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,639
the egg and all of that. Some people were impressed

1263
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,079
by the footage, some people, uh were not. It was,

1264
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:52,880
you know, a bit bit of a mixed bag. But

1265
01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:57,920
a few things here. I can absolutely guarantee you this

1266
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,679
guy is the real deal, period the end, full stop.

1267
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,280
He is the real deal. I don't know how else

1268
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,639
to say it. I think some other things that will

1269
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:14,480
will come out in the near future will will reinforce it.

1270
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:18,600
But there is zero doubt about this guy. I can

1271
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,560
tell you for a fact. And the other thing that

1272
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,439
I can tell you for a fact is these guys

1273
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,960
that put themselves out there, like like Jake Barber, like

1274
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,680
David Grush and others, when you know when they say

1275
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,319
that they're they're putting their lives at risk. This this

1276
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:45,199
isn't hyperbole, This is fact. I can't even begin to

1277
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,359
tell you how many things have been related to me

1278
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,319
in confidence over Some of the things that the CIA,

1279
01:08:56,199 --> 01:09:00,359
the Office of Global Access has been involved with are

1280
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:07,199
flat out criminal. When you have a department of Defense.

1281
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:15,319
When you have an intelligence community, and especially especially when

1282
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:21,039
you have one particular, very very large defense contractor, and

1283
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:26,760
I mean very large defense contractor that isn't engaged in

1284
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:35,359
kinetic retaliation against whistleblowers, against former special forces, against former

1285
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,039
Joint Special Operations Command people.

1286
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:40,119
Speaker 2: When you have.

1287
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,279
Speaker 1: A defense contractor that we literally give trillions of dollars

1288
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:52,560
to or billions engaged in that, in that kind of criminality,

1289
01:09:53,439 --> 01:10:00,199
it is literally like you have gangster mentality going on

1290
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,439
in the Pentagon, in the IC, in the Office of

1291
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:09,079
Global Access running under the CIA, DS and T, people

1292
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:13,239
like former DS and T direct head of DS and T,

1293
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:18,359
Glenn Gaffney, who I submitted a letter to Congress that

1294
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,279
is now part of the Congressional record.

1295
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: Glenn Gaffney was brought.

1296
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:29,199
Speaker 1: On by doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon's

1297
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,399
All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

1298
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: Glenn Gaffany was brought.

1299
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: On by doctor Sean Kirkpatrick to sit on this secret

1300
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,880
technical Advisory Board for ARROW. I was the first on

1301
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,760
here on the Good Trouble Show to reveal the existence

1302
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:52,119
of this committee. Members of Congress hearing this, we know

1303
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:55,840
folks on Congress and their staffers watched this show, went

1304
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,000
to Kirkpatrick when he was still running ARROW and asked,

1305
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,560
who is on this committee that you put together? And

1306
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,680
guess what Sean Kirkpatrick did. He refused to tell members

1307
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,279
of Congress who he put on that committee. And in

1308
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,760
my letter to Congress that is now part of the

1309
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,560
official Congressional record, I named Glenn Gaffney as being one

1310
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,520
of those people. So I want you to think about this.

1311
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:30,560
The CIA, under the Office of Global Access, super secret

1312
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,399
Office of Global Access.

1313
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,239
Speaker 2: They have been involved.

1314
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: They are so involved in the whole legacy cr program

1315
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:46,600
it's not even funny. We detailed this, Chris Sharp, Josh

1316
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,640
Boswell and I detailed this in a article that we

1317
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,439
wrote for The Daily Mail back in twenty.

1318
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four. I'm sorry, twenty twenty three. So you

1319
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,359
have the CIA, the.

1320
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 1: CIA DS and T, Office Global Access, who would be

1321
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,560
well aware of the head of DS and T, Director

1322
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,600
of Science and Technology for the CIA, would be well

1323
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:18,720
aware of kinetic retaliation and by that I mean physical

1324
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:25,800
violence against our men and women that have worn the uniform.

1325
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:31,239
That person would have had visibility into that. So here

1326
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:35,560
you have the Pentagon's UFO program, UAP program.

1327
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:36,319
Speaker 2: Arrow the director.

1328
01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: The director of that ARROW is supposed to be the

1329
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:45,720
authorized recipient for whistleblowers such as Jake Barber to go

1330
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,319
and testify to to give a protected disclosure that would

1331
01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:54,199
not be in violation of their National Security Non Disclosure Act.

1332
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,359
So he goes in there, tells Arrow, tells Sean Kirkpatrick

1333
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,159
about what has occurred, what he knows, what he has

1334
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:07,920
been involved with in terms of the Deep Legacy program,

1335
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:13,399
tells Kirkpatrick this, it's supposed to be a protected disclosure.

1336
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,159
It's supposed to be confidential. And guess who Sean Kirkpatrick

1337
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,119
has on that advisory board. The very guy that is

1338
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,239
one of the main gatekeepers, was one of the main gatekeepers.

1339
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:32,079
I have no idea if he's there now, Glenn Gaffney, he's.

1340
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,520
Speaker 2: Got that guy sitting on the board.

1341
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: So here you have a whistleblower who is putting his

1342
01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:44,840
right life at risk going into Dodero making a protected

1343
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:50,359
disclosure to the guy who all very well is likely

1344
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,159
telling this guy that runs DS and T, who is

1345
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,680
the gatekeeper of the Deep legacy, one of the gatekeepers

1346
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,000
of the Deep Legacy program. I mean not convinced me

1347
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,880
that that info is not getting back channeled in the

1348
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,800
CIA to the CIA. How disgusting is that it's unpatriotic.

1349
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:16,560
It blows my mind how our government has uh just

1350
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,520
kind of morphed into.

1351
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:22,399
Speaker 2: A sh shell of.

1352
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:25,279
Speaker 1: Its of its previous self as a as a democracy.

1353
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,520
When when you have the United States government, when you

1354
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:38,279
have big, big defense contractors knocking people out and Congress

1355
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:42,159
isn't doing anything about it. I mean, it's it's it's

1356
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:47,640
it is. It is wrong on so many levels, not

1357
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,319
to mention just inhumane, but just as as an as

1358
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:55,119
an American. It makes me ashamed about my country that

1359
01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:58,119
this is the kind of stuff that has gone on.

1360
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:04,279
The fact that, uh, that the the anomalous health injuries,

1361
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,880
that Havanah syndrome. I think you're going to find out

1362
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:12,560
that there were certain people in the Biden administration that

1363
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:18,000
directed the CIA to continue to cover that up. I

1364
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:19,840
think that there are going to be some heads that

1365
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,800
are going to roll. They are already in there, in there.

1366
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,560
I think it was a last week Biden administration finally

1367
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,520
came out and said, uh, oh, well you know what, Uh,

1368
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,760
maybe that CIA report saying that a lot of anomalist

1369
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,239
health injuries or Havannah syndrome is all fake. Oh, actually,

1370
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:43,039
we do think, uh, there may have been something to that.

1371
01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:45,319
You know, the reason they're doing that is they're trying

1372
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:46,359
to cover their assets.

1373
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: That's exactly why.

1374
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:56,119
Speaker 1: So here you have a an intelligence community, the UH

1375
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,640
Office of Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haynes, whom I

1376
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,680
think I predict we will be hearing hearing more about

1377
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,600
that name in the year ahead. In this year, you've

1378
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,159
got this, this whole intelligence apparatus covering up the fact

1379
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:18,359
that men and women in various three letter agencies on

1380
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,600
assignment overseas and even in the even here in the US,

1381
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,840
are being attacked by some kind of electronic weapon, and

1382
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,880
they're covering it up.

1383
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 2: They are lying to Congress.

1384
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: You have seen this time and time again with the

1385
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,640
former director of ERROLD, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, flat out lying

1386
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:47,720
to Congress. I certainly hope that people like doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,

1387
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:52,600
the former director UH, former head of the CIA Directorate

1388
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,039
of Science and Technology, Glenn Gaffney, UH, the former head

1389
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:02,039
of the Office of a Global Act Doug Wolf, those

1390
01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:06,199
folks need to be put on on the stand under oath.

1391
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,159
They need to be asked, what did you know were

1392
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:17,159
you aware that whistleblowers were being targeted in ways that

1393
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:22,039
would land anyone else in federal prison for life. Ask

1394
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:28,600
those folks under oath, ask ask the current director of

1395
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:34,359
ARROW if Glenn Gaffney is still sitting on that technical

1396
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:38,079
advisory board for ARROW. I almost guarant damn tee you

1397
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,720
it is or he is. And for those of you

1398
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:48,039
watching in Congress or staffers, the other question you should

1399
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:54,840
demand is to know exactly who is sitting on this

1400
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:02,479
classed technical advisory group on AEROW, because I guarantee you

1401
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:06,479
it's not just Glenn Gaffney that you will be surprised

1402
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:12,840
are sitting on that committee right now. It is literally

1403
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:18,079
like the fox watching watching the you know, the the

1404
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:26,720
hen House. People like patriots, like Jake Barber, David Grush.

1405
01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:31,800
These folks are putting country before self. They realized while

1406
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,720
they were there that something was going on that was

1407
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:42,399
a cancer on this democracy, a cancer that must be excised,

1408
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:49,039
a malignant tumor that has run rampant in the intelligence

1409
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:55,760
community and the Pentagon. These folks, this is the real story.

1410
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,720
These folks are true American patriots. These are folks that

1411
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:04,560
could have taken the easy way out, taken some cushy,

1412
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:09,159
cushy job by Sean Kirkpatrick taking his cushy job at

1413
01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:14,640
Betel Memorial Institute over at Oakridge National Laboratories, which, by

1414
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,159
the way, the folks that are the that have been

1415
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:21,680
on the Deep Legacy program. That's one of the mechanisms

1416
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,439
that these folks use to keep these people in line

1417
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:32,039
is they are financially set. They know that if they

1418
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:36,359
play ball, if they keep their mouths shut, they've got

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easy You know, they're going to be living on Easy

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Street for the rest of their career and after retirement.

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As long as you stay with the program and do

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what the Legacy Deep Legacy Program tells you to do,

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you're going to be laughing all the way to the bank.

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Speaker 2: It's greed. It's absolute greed.

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Speaker 1: That what you know, the story that that Jake Barbara

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01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,800
was talking about with with this apparent firefight between defense

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,479
contractors fighting over tough books. You know, Eisenhower said to

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wear the military industrial complex. But unfortunately, I think he

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was the guy that set all that up. You created

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this just literal Frankenstein monster that has has just.

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01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:30,359
Speaker 2: Literally run amock. The fact that you have.

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Speaker 1: American veterans that have to worry about their personal safety

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01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:42,119
because they whistle blue about something that they knew was illegal,

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01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:48,319
that they knew were felonies, that they have to sit

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and worry about that, worry about being uh being taken out,

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worried about being assassinated, worried that, you know, there is

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a rogue group of Jaysok operators running around doing this stuff.

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Having to worry about defense contractors doing this. I guarantee

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it anybody that is working for if you're a C

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01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,039
suite person in these two major defense contractors and you

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01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:22,880
know exactly who you are, stuff is going to come out.

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,279
And it's not one person holding the information. It's many

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01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:29,159
people are going to come out. They are going to

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out you guys. And it doesn't matter if you were

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doing this at the direction of the American government as

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part of some waived special access program controlled access program.

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You are criminally liable your corporation with this. When the

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01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,960
C suite knows about that kind of criminality taking place.

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01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,880
I don't think you're I don't think the American government

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,560
is going to put you out of business because you're

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:03,239
too important for for our national defense. But I guarant

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01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:06,199
Dan Tea just about everyone in that c suite in

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01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,800
these defense contractors that have engaged in this level of

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01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,479
illegality are going to find themselves in federal prison, and

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01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:19,079
they deserve it. It's just absolutely disgusting that people like

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01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:24,359
Jake Barber, like David Grush, lou Elizondo and others have

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:30,560
to worry about their personal safety even while they're at home. Congress,

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:38,159
you must hold a church level, a church type committee

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01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:42,920
in the Senate where people are under oath, where the

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01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,039
CIA is not trying to dilute the witnesses like what

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01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:53,039
happened CIA did on the Church Committee Georgia. Former President

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01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:55,840
George Bush went in there and cut a kind of

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01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,600
like backroom deal to make sure that the journalists that

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01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,520
were on the CIA payroll we're not outed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the that's the.

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Speaker 1: Kind of corruption that that has been that has infected

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this government for literal, literal decades. I would you know,

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01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:20,039
and I would say say this to uh, hopefully Don Junior,

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01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:25,119
Donald Trump Junior, if you're watching this or uh President Trump.

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01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,439
I can't imagine you're watching this show, but if you are,

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this would be my message to you to your administration.

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Back in your previous presidency, when I would hear you

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01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:41,840
talk about the deep state. I thought it was a

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01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,960
big joke. I thought you were being paranoid.

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01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a bunch of bologney. And

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:57,000
how wrong I was since becoming involved in this topic.

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Uh Uh. My work at UAP Disclosure Fund and the

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01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:06,640
relationships that I have with the current former members in

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01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,439
the intelligence community, in the Department of Defense, and there

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,960
are good people that are trying to right this wrong.

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01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,199
They know that there are things going on in the

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01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:23,560
leadership of their three letter agencies that is unconstitutional and criminal.

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01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,239
There are folks out there trying to do the right thing.

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01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:31,239
But my message to this incoming administration, to Don Junior

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01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:39,439
and President Trump, there is no better illustration of this

1487
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,479
deep state than what has been going on with this,

1488
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,159
with the UAP issue, with the AHI anomaloust health injuries.

1489
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:55,520
There is no better illustration. The same people that block

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,399
stuff from you in your previous administration, that gatekeep things,

1491
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:06,800
gate keep certain things from President Trump and others, these

1492
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,399
are the same exact same people that are gatekeeping the

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,680
deep Legacy program, deep legacy UAP program.

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,319
Speaker 2: They are these same individuals.

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01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:20,239
Speaker 1: So my message to this incoming administration is if if

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01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:23,000
you want to get rid of this swamp, if you

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01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:27,880
want to get rid of try to root out this

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01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,039
this deep state stuff that's been going on.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a Democrat. You're hearing this from a Democrat

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01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,760
because this is this is a by part, is an issue.

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,079
Speaker 1: Both both sides of the aisle need to get get

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01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:43,720
in line with this, because when when you have a

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,880
malignant tumor on the on the on the very constitution

1504
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,039
of the United States, Democrats and Republicans should be equally

1505
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:57,279
enraged and equally dedicated to do something about this. And

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01:25:57,399 --> 01:26:03,079
I certainly would encourage this incoming administration to do the

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01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:07,880
right thing. It's time to rip off the band aid.

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01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,720
It's time to expose what has been going on in

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01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,960
our intelligence community and the Department of Defense and the

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:21,840
Department of Energy and the National Security Administration. Americans deserve

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,960
to know, and Americans moreover deserve to know that they

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01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:30,159
have a functioning democracy, because I can tell you right

1513
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:34,119
now it is not the case. If half of America

1514
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:40,079
had any idea of what has been going on, I

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01:26:40,119 --> 01:26:41,800
swear to God, I think there would be riots in

1516
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,199
the street. People have no idea how much this whole

1517
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:54,359
cancer has metastasized, and that you have our American veterans,

1518
01:26:54,359 --> 01:26:56,119
men and women that have worn the uniform, men and

1519
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,520
women that have served our country and with dignity and

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,119
honor given. Some that have given all the country, like

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01:27:04,359 --> 01:27:10,039
Jake Barber, like David Grush, which, oh, by the way,

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01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:16,239
whatever happened, uh with with the with the investigation in

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01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:20,359
the intelligence community with David Grush? Why wasn't something done

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01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:25,359
with that? I think you need the folks in this

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:31,800
current administration need to ask certain national security officials what

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,319
exactly they were up to.

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01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,039
Speaker 2: They need to ask.

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01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:41,119
Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan under oath exactly what he

1529
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:45,720
knew and what decisions he made regarding these these particular things.

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01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,520
Speaker 2: They need to put up on under oath.

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01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: This administration needs to have the the Director of the

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01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,680
Office Director of National Intelligence, Averrol Haines, under oath need

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01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,800
to be asking these folks questions under oath and find

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01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:08,479
out exactly what occurred under this administration. And you know,

1535
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,399
and I'm not bagging on the Biden administration a writ large.

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01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,800
This kind of stuff has been going on through multiple administrations,

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,359
Republican and Democrat.

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01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 2: But enough is enough.

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01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: People, you either have a democracy or you don't, and

1540
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,800
right now we do not. And my hope is that

1541
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,840
this administration will finally rip off the band aid and

1542
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:39,840
hold people accountable. Folks, thanks for thanks for tuning in,

1543
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:40,720
really appreciate it.

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01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: Again.

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01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,239
Speaker 1: This coming a week, we have a special episode with

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01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,479
Lou Alizondo and Lieutenant Colonel John Blytch, a former Delta

1547
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,359
Force operator, and of course doctor Gary Nolan. We are

1548
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,560
huge fans of all of these folks. These again are

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01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:00,560
our examples of of you know, real American patriots are

1550
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,199
doing the right thing for our country. We should be

1551
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:08,640
grateful for the sacrifices they've made. We will announce when

1552
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:13,359
this show will air. It'll be probably early to midnext week.

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01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:17,319
Watch on our Twitter account. I'm sorry x at Good

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01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:21,399
Trouble Show. Anyway, Thanks, thanks everyone for tuning in, and

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we will see you in just a few days