Speaker 1: And the Lulberts. I love the Lolberts. You know how
Speaker 1: I love libertarians so much because whenever a fight breaks out,
Speaker 1: they fold like cheap suits, so I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about them at all. These libertarians come out and
Speaker 1: they're like, look, I'm I'm concerned about immigration, but I
Speaker 1: don't think the government should be allowed. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: bro by all means scream into the wind, because if
Speaker 1: anything actually has to happen, you're gonna stand there with
Speaker 1: our arms crossed while we do the jobs that need
Speaker 1: to be done. I'm gonna let you in a big secret.
Speaker 1: Did you know the Second Amendment was not about fighting tyranny? No,
Speaker 1: it was we're not being represented in government as it
Speaker 1: stands right now, you list, says Grant. What he wrote was,
Speaker 1: you have regius of grievances, you have elections. You are
Speaker 1: not facing taxation without representation. So while you can try
Speaker 1: to rebel, you will be conquered by your betters. So
Speaker 1: the argument right now is this, I'll put it simply.
Speaker 1: First of all, when these people come out and go,
Speaker 1: Tim's a boot liquor if we're defending eyes, I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you misunderstand it's my boots.
Speaker 2: It's mine.
Speaker 1: I voted for them. I'm wearing the boot. I'm stomping
Speaker 1: on the ground.
Speaker 3: We've fallen so far that we now have conservative commentators,
Speaker 3: Trump supporters en mass arguing against the Second Amendment say
Speaker 3: it ain't so this is so terrible. I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: the preface out of the way. Yeah, Tim's my friend,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I haven't been invited on the show in
Speaker 3: eighteen months. I don't have a choice. He's calling out
Speaker 3: my people by name calling us lulverts, basically arguing that
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment was not formulated explicitly to prevent tyranny,
Speaker 3: despite the fact that James Madison in Federalists Number forty six,
Speaker 3: as well as Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Number twenty nine,
Speaker 3: both argued explicitly that yes, it is.
Speaker 2: That that's the exact.
Speaker 3: Reason that they wanted us to be armed, in particular,
Speaker 3: because they didn't want to have a standing army, because
Speaker 3: they didn't want to be an empire, because they didn't
Speaker 3: want to be invaded or controlled by an empire either.
Speaker 2: So they argued very very.
Speaker 3: Eloquently that in fact, the American peace people should and
Speaker 3: must be armed to ensure their liberties, to ensure that
Speaker 3: they remain a free state. And mind you, it's not
Speaker 3: just our founding fathers. This is also Scotus rulings. You
Speaker 3: had DC versus Heller in I think it was eight.
Speaker 3: They once again reaffirmed the fact that, yes, we have
Speaker 3: to be able to arm ourselves so that we can
Speaker 3: defend against tyranny.
Speaker 2: So, if you want to make the.
Speaker 3: Argument that Alex Pretty engaged in illegal activities and therefore
Speaker 3: his life was justifiably taken by all means, make that argument.
Speaker 3: But please do not make the argument that he did
Speaker 3: not have a right to possess a firearm, or that
Speaker 3: because he possessed a firearm, he therefore somehow deserved to
Speaker 3: be shot. Now, I'll agree with Tim that I don't
Speaker 3: appreciate the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to
Speaker 3: suddenly affirming their god given right to self defense and
Speaker 3: firearm ownership, when they have spent decades, basically my entire life,
Speaker 3: arguing that I should be disarmed, that all of us
Speaker 3: should be disarmed. So, yes, he and I agree they
Speaker 3: are hypocrits. However, do not besmirch my people. The only
Speaker 3: people that are consistent ideologically, no matter who's in power,
Speaker 3: all the fucking time, because we're actually serious about this shit,
Speaker 3: because we actually do appreciate the Constitution, because we actually
Speaker 3: do want to uphold and defend it, because we actually
Speaker 3: do believe in self defense and fighting back against tyranny. Now,
Speaker 3: there is an important argument to be had here, and
Speaker 3: this case is very complicated. This particular shooting I think
Speaker 3: is egregious. But instead of telling you why I believe that,
Speaker 3: let me show you now. Granted, this interaction begins just
Speaker 3: seconds before the actual interaction between the immigration agents and
Speaker 3: Pretty and these other female protesters begins, so we don't
Speaker 3: know all of the leading up factors that began this,
Speaker 3: but we can judge based off of the interaction from
Speaker 3: where it begins, and it does appear, at least on video,
Speaker 3: that the aggression does not come from the protesters, but
Speaker 3: rather from the immigration officials.
Speaker 2: The fuck people, the fuck is wrong with.
Speaker 3: You, honestly, So in a matter of about twenty five seconds,
Speaker 3: this turns from what is probably a minor engagement with
Speaker 3: protesters into a lethal shooting. Now, there are a number
Speaker 3: of variables that I think are important to note That
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anyone else discuss. So let's first point out,
Speaker 3: and I can say this with some I guess knowledge,
Speaker 3: is because I was just in Dallas during this incredible
Speaker 3: ice storm last week and what happened, in fact, just yesterday.
Speaker 3: I was there and what I realized is that, oh,
Speaker 3: they're standing on ice, the same thing I've been doing
Speaker 3: for the past forty eight hours. Let me tell you,
Speaker 3: it ain't easy to keep your feet beneath you. So
Speaker 3: I think that that's the first reason that this escalates
Speaker 3: so dramatically and so out of control, is that it's
Speaker 3: probably very slick and very hard to get your footing,
Speaker 3: which in my opinion, is why Alex is the man
Speaker 3: who was shot. He appears to be trying to keep
Speaker 3: his balance after intervening, getting in between himself and the
Speaker 3: agent who had just shoved this woman. We don't really
Speaker 3: understand why, but regardless he shoves her, Alex puts himself
Speaker 3: in between that agent and the woman who had just fallen.
Speaker 3: He puts his hand up. He's immediately pepper sprayed, but
Speaker 3: he's also trying to protect the woman or pick her up.
Speaker 3: But after he's pepper sprayed, he's probably struggling to stand
Speaker 3: up because of the ice beneath him, he grabs onto
Speaker 3: the woman, who I think he was trying to help up.
Speaker 3: He then kind of tumbles with her, the agent's kind
Speaker 3: of tumble with him, and they all go cutting to
Speaker 3: the ground where things get truly truly out of control.
Speaker 3: But the very key thing here is did he in
Speaker 3: fact draw his firearm? Did he reach for his firearm?
Speaker 3: And the answer is no. Based off of all of
Speaker 3: the footage I've reviewed, the answer is definitively no, he
Speaker 3: did not. He had his cell phone in his right hand.
Speaker 3: There was a firearm that was holstered the entire time.
Speaker 3: And even worse for these agents that ended up firing
Speaker 3: on him, is that one of the agents grabs his
Speaker 3: firearm from the holster and removes it and back pedals
Speaker 3: away from this entire wrestling match. Now, it happens very quickly, obviously,
Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to make this seem extraordinarily simple.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of variables, a lot of factors, a
Speaker 3: lot of people involved. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: what happened was a man who had not swung at,
Speaker 3: drawn on, brandished shot at anything, had not aggressed upon
Speaker 3: these officers in a violent fashion necessitating lethal force, was
Speaker 3: in fact disarmed prior to receiving any rounds in his direction.
Speaker 3: So you have a man who appears to be probably misguided,
Speaker 3: attempting to do something I would certainly not advise, trying
Speaker 3: to prevent immigration officials from carrying out their deportation orders,
Speaker 3: going to this protest armed and tragically having his life taken. Now,
Speaker 3: because it's too early to say definitively, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say definitively that he was murdered.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I think that there's a very good argument to be
Speaker 3: made that he was, but until we have all of
Speaker 3: the footage, I'm just going to preserve judgment. All I'm
Speaker 3: going to say at this junction is to me, given
Speaker 3: the evidence we have in front of us, it was
Speaker 3: definitively a bad shoot. Whether or not that ultimately means
Speaker 3: it was illegal and that these agents will be prosecuted
Speaker 3: and imprisoned, I don't know, but I think it's important,
Speaker 3: and this is really the point I wanted to get to.
Speaker 3: I think it's important that if you see a bad
Speaker 3: shoot you just say so. You just say the truth
Speaker 3: about it, regardless of what your end goal is regardless
Speaker 3: of what your priorities are, you have to be honest
Speaker 3: and that's all I'm going to be in this situation.
Speaker 3: Was it a good shoot or not? Did he need
Speaker 3: to be shot? The answer is no, Alex pretty should
Speaker 3: still be alive. Just to show you that I'm being
Speaker 3: even headed on this. So should Daniel Shaver, So should
Speaker 3: Ashley Babbitt, so should Breonna Taylor. There are numerous instances
Speaker 3: of cops behaving poorly, of showing bad judgment and ultimately
Speaker 3: shooting people that did not need to be shot. All
Speaker 3: we need to do is tell the truth about that.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you want nothing to be done
Speaker 3: about immigration. There seems to be this argument on the right.
Speaker 3: First off, I just want to say, there seems to
Speaker 3: be this kind of movement on the right to see
Speaker 3: who can be the most callous, who can be the
Speaker 3: most depraved, who can be the most ideologically captured, who
Speaker 3: can dehumanize their opponents the most. Basically, it is a
Speaker 3: mirror image or a funhouse image of the worst elements
Speaker 3: of the left. They want us disarmed, they want us censored,
Speaker 3: So let's censor them and let's disarm them, or worse
Speaker 3: let's shoot them. I mean, is that really how we win?
Speaker 3: Is that how we progress as a civilization? To just
Speaker 3: have a race to the bottom of moral depravity? I
Speaker 3: would argue, no, it's not. From Matt Walsh to Tim
Speaker 3: Poole to Megan Kelly, all of them are basically beating
Speaker 3: the same drum. This guy is an enemy combatant. Sternovich
Speaker 3: is doing the same thing. They are framing him as
Speaker 3: an enemy combatant and therefore sure not the cleanest shoot
Speaker 3: in the world. But you know, got to break a
Speaker 3: few eggs is basically mentality.
Speaker 4: I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for Alex pretty,
Speaker 4: but I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: Do you know why I wasn't shot by Border patrol
Speaker 4: this weekend because I kept my ass inside and out
Speaker 4: of their operations. It's very simple. If I felt strongly
Speaker 4: enough about something the government was doing that I would
Speaker 4: go out and protest. I would do it peacefully on
Speaker 4: the sidewalk, without interfering via a whistle, via shouting, via
Speaker 4: my body, via any other way.
Speaker 3: Rewind that back and listen to it again. But just
Speaker 3: imagine that it's Rachel Maddow talking about Ashley Babbitt. Reminiscent
Speaker 3: isn't it doesn't it sound almost exactly the same. Oh,
Speaker 3: do I feel bad for him? I don't care if
Speaker 3: you feel bad for him. I'm not asking for you
Speaker 3: to feel bad for him. I'm not asking you to
Speaker 3: feel bad for Ashley Babbit either. I'm just asking for
Speaker 3: you to uphold the rule of law. Conservative. I'm asking
Speaker 3: for you to actually consider is this a good shoot
Speaker 3: or not? Because to say that, well, I wasn't there
Speaker 3: and that's why I wasn't shot, is not a justification
Speaker 3: for lethal use of force. This is exactly what they
Speaker 3: said about Ashley Babbitt in the Capitol. I also wasn't
Speaker 3: shot at the Capitol because I didn't go in there
Speaker 3: because I recognized that it was probably a trap. She
Speaker 3: didn't recognize that, and she lost her life. That doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that you need to feel bad for her. It
Speaker 3: just means that do you or do you not believe
Speaker 3: that that shooting from officer BYRD was justified? And if
Speaker 3: you watch it, I don't know how you come to
Speaker 3: the conclusion that it was despite the fact that no
Speaker 3: charges were brought against him. And this is just, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, a very very similar instance of lethal force
Speaker 3: being used when it wasn't necessary, and everyone deciding whether
Speaker 3: or not it was necessary on ideological lines, as opposed
Speaker 3: to looking at the evidence in front of us and
Speaker 3: being honest about what we see.
Speaker 5: Number one, the Secondmendment of right. I'm our second moment, absolutist.
Speaker 5: You have the right to carry a weapon to defend yourself,
Speaker 5: not the privilege.
Speaker 6: It is a right.
Speaker 5: Those rights come with restrictions. I think you would understand
Speaker 5: that more than anyone at this table. One of those
Speaker 5: restrictions is you have to have your ID and your
Speaker 5: permit on you. We don't know. Current reports are he
Speaker 5: didn't have either one of those owns, at which point
Speaker 5: he's not carrying legally.
Speaker 2: So this is how far we've fallen.
Speaker 3: We now have a second amendment, absolutists on Fox News
Speaker 3: arguing that you have to have your permit otherwise I
Speaker 3: guess you could be shot.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fucking argument is. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: an absolute.
Speaker 3: God given right. No, you don't need your fucking permit.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be arguing that that is shit.
Speaker 2: Liverery. Hello.
Speaker 3: We've been arguing against this stuff my entire life, and
Speaker 3: now because it's a leftist that gets shot all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, he.
Speaker 2: Didn't have his permit.
Speaker 3: He didn't have his permit, so you know, whatever happens
Speaker 3: to him after that, all good. Was lethal violence necessary
Speaker 3: or not? The answer is no, Oh, he represented no threat.
Speaker 3: He had not drawn, he had not swung, he had
Speaker 3: not done anything to be violent. Yes he resisted arrest,
Speaker 3: and yes he should have been arrested for interfering with
Speaker 3: their operations. I'll grant you that, But beyond that, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you make any argument that lethal use
Speaker 3: of force was justified in this case. And I will
Speaker 3: tell you the truth, I'd be very surprised if these
Speaker 3: agents don't end up under arrest, and as has become
Speaker 3: all too common. Nick Fuentes and I part ways. Let
Speaker 3: me explain because this is such an inversion of reality.
Speaker 3: It's honestly disturbing to me.
Speaker 7: You stand in the middle of the street with your
Speaker 7: loaded gun, you run up on board of patrol trying
Speaker 7: to arrest somebody, and get in the middle of that.
Speaker 7: At that point in time, you forfeit your life.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 7: Would it be ideal if he were detained and arrested,
Speaker 7: certainly if they knew his intentions, But they don't. They
Speaker 7: don't know your intentions. What they see is that they
Speaker 7: are surrounded, They are being chased through the streets, They
Speaker 7: are being harassed. A masked man with a loaded gun
Speaker 7: is running up to them at close range and getting physical.
Speaker 7: What conclusion can they draw in a split second? What
Speaker 7: really do you expect them to do?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Nick says that if you interfere with federal law enforcement operations,
Speaker 3: you forfeit your life. No, you don't. You don't forfeit
Speaker 3: your life. Now, should you be arrested, Sure, I'll grant
Speaker 3: you that again, but you do not forfeit your life
Speaker 3: unless you are a violent threat.
Speaker 2: And he was not.
Speaker 3: And then Nick proceeds to invert reality in a way
Speaker 3: that's honestly so brazen. I'm disturbed by it. He says
Speaker 3: that they don't know what his intentions are. Okay, sure,
Speaker 3: does Alex know what their intentions are? Does he know
Speaker 3: he's about to be shot? He didn't know their intentions.
Speaker 3: Then he says that they're surrounded. No, Alex was surrounded
Speaker 3: on the ground by seven agents, two women, are you know,
Speaker 3: five six feet away? None of the other protesters have
Speaker 3: sprinted up on them and have surrounded them. None of
Speaker 3: that's happening. You have seven Border patrol agents surrounding one man,
Speaker 3: one man on the ground who you have essentially already
Speaker 3: subdued and already removed his firearms that he couldn't even
Speaker 3: present a real threat to you. And then the inversion
Speaker 3: gets even more dramatic, and that he says, well, they've
Speaker 3: got this man that they don't know his intentions, and
Speaker 3: he's masked.
Speaker 2: He is not masked.
Speaker 3: They all are federal law enforcement agents are all masked up.
Speaker 6: He is not.
Speaker 3: They are all armed, he is not. When the shot
Speaker 3: gets fired. I mean, this is pure inversion of reality. Now,
Speaker 3: I understand Nick Fontes is very in favor of deportations.
Speaker 3: I am two. We make that very clear. I am
Speaker 3: very much in favor of deportations. That does not mean
Speaker 3: we have to lie about what happened. What he said,
Speaker 3: there is a lie. Three of those bullet points that
Speaker 3: he listed off were abject provable lies, in fact, inversions
Speaker 3: of reality attributing to Alex pretty what in fact the
Speaker 3: border patrol agents were doing. It's crazy. Now Nick goes
Speaker 3: on to make some very valid points that in fact,
Speaker 3: these are pretty radical people, genuinely ideologically possessed and genuinely
Speaker 3: committed to fighting the federal government in a way that
Speaker 3: is ill advised, particularly given the circumstances that we're facing
Speaker 3: right now, particularly given that, in fact, yes, Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: if he had a mandate for anything, it was deportations.
Speaker 3: It was to build the wall. It's not as if
Speaker 3: that was a secret. That was basically the number one
Speaker 3: thing he campaigned on for a decade straight. So if
Speaker 3: you believe in democracy at all, and you believe in
Speaker 3: the will of the majority, well the majority wanted deportations.
Speaker 3: That is true, and it is true that these people
Speaker 3: are trying to prevent that from happening. But it is
Speaker 3: also true, and this is the point that they seem
Speaker 3: to continuously miss, is that it is also true that
Speaker 3: if you have bad shoots like this and you lie
Speaker 3: about it and you pretend as if it's justified, and worse,
Speaker 3: you argue that it's totally okay, Well then you're going
Speaker 3: to lose the public's support, the public will to carry
Speaker 3: out mass deportations. And I'm not guessing at this that's
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. From a few months ago to now.
Speaker 3: Trump had a plus ten on immigration enforcement deportations, and
Speaker 3: now he's underwater by like fifteen or twenty points. It's crazy,
Speaker 3: Like the swing is enormous. Now, to be clear, I'm
Speaker 3: not advocating that they stop because the public is getting queasy.
Speaker 3: I'm advocating that they enforce the laws, but that it
Speaker 3: also applies to the cops or the Border patrol agents
Speaker 3: who fired on this man unnecessarily. I think you have
Speaker 3: to uphold the rule of law on both sides of
Speaker 3: this dispute, lest you just relegate yourself to some sort
Speaker 3: of mad Max hellscape, which is where we appear to
Speaker 3: be headed. And one of the most bizarre counter arguments
Speaker 3: I keep getting is there seems to be this belief
Speaker 3: for this implication that because I think that this was
Speaker 3: a bad shoot and that these officers ought to be investigated,
Speaker 3: and if this footage is as damning as it appears,
Speaker 3: ought to be charged and prosecuted, that that means that, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm too soft for this. Oh you don't actually want deportations.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't want yet. No, I actually want way
Speaker 3: more deportations than probably any of you do. I am
Speaker 3: arguing explicitly that you will get no deportations if you
Speaker 3: don't get your shit in order, because you need the
Speaker 3: public to be on your side to a significant extent,
Speaker 3: or you end up with every city in America looking
Speaker 3: like Minneapolis as you try to carry out these deportations.
Speaker 3: Get it, And instead we've got the head of the
Speaker 3: FBI saying stupid shit like this.
Speaker 8: But as Secretary Nomes said, no one who wants to
Speaker 8: be peaceful shows up as a protest with a firearm
Speaker 8: that is loaded with two full magazines. That is not
Speaker 8: a peaceful protest. And you do not get the touch
Speaker 8: law enforcement. You do that anywhere, This FBI is going
Speaker 8: to be following, leaving the charge to arrest those But how.
Speaker 2: Was he threatening border patrol?
Speaker 9: You've collected the evidence, you said, right, you have the
Speaker 9: handgun in.
Speaker 2: Your possession, that's right.
Speaker 9: And how was he using.
Speaker 8: That handgun in terms of threatening border patrol? What was
Speaker 8: the threat?
Speaker 2: He had his camera right, he was filming it.
Speaker 8: That's something that I will let the DHS and the
Speaker 8: prosecutors because they are the ones investigating that case. I
Speaker 8: don't want to stylize that evidence, but I trust the
Speaker 8: men and women on the ground, who are trained professionals,
Speaker 8: to only use it when it's absolutely necessary. And I
Speaker 8: trust Secretary Nomes leadership and DHS and HSI to do
Speaker 8: the right thing as they've always done in these scenarios.
Speaker 3: The top law enforcement agent in this country saying that
Speaker 3: you don't get to show up at a protest with
Speaker 3: a loaded firearm in two magazines, Yes you do. According
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Speaker 3: And as I said earlier, I do believe that there
Speaker 3: should be major deportations. You've had twenty million people or
Speaker 3: so come in just over the last presidential term. So far,
Speaker 3: it looks as if there's been about two million people
Speaker 3: who have left, most of them voluntarily because they're fearful
Speaker 3: of deportation, I guess, but there has been from my read,
Speaker 3: three hundred to five hundred thousand somewhere in there. I
Speaker 3: can't I can't get a clear handle on it of
Speaker 3: actual forcible deportations over the past year, barely an increase
Speaker 3: from historical deportation figures. So we're not even coming close
Speaker 3: to what people are demanding. We're not coming close to
Speaker 3: what the Cernavich's or the Tinpools or the r On
Speaker 3: McIntyres of the world are demanding. But he still has
Speaker 3: the audacity to reply to me saying, all right, Clint,
Speaker 3: I see you're upset about this. How do you intend
Speaker 3: to get twenty million deportations if not this essentially, to
Speaker 3: which I said, well, let me tell you. I'd start
Speaker 3: by withholding all federal funds to every sanctuary state that
Speaker 3: refuses to cooperate. I wouldn't have continued funding the welfare
Speaker 3: programs that feed the flood of illegals. I'd immediately prosecute
Speaker 3: all the politicians who created this disaster. I'd prosecute the
Speaker 3: NGO networks. I'd fire Bondy tonight if she refuses to
Speaker 3: do any of the above. Trump is doing none of that,
Speaker 3: But you question my commitment. Trump isn't even ten percent
Speaker 3: as serious as I am. Instead, you uncover for the
Speaker 3: murder of a guy who clearly shouldn't have been killed.
Speaker 3: It's sick. I got a little passionate there and said murder.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have, but I think it was. You could
Speaker 3: also go after employers, landlords, banks who kept them there.
Speaker 3: You could increase incentives and punishments for anyone who refuses
Speaker 3: to leave. You could legitimately start imprisoning thousands of illegals
Speaker 3: who decline the carrot option, which they're doing. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you're aware of this, but they're offering I
Speaker 3: think it was like three thousand dollars or maybe it
Speaker 3: was two thousand to voluntarily leave, but really no stick. Still,
Speaker 3: then I finish off by saying, no one believes the
Speaker 3: stick is real, nor should they.
Speaker 2: It isn't.
Speaker 3: If it were, the exodus would be significant. But the
Speaker 3: Libertarians are the problem, as the GOP does next to nothing,
Speaker 3: same as it always is pure condescension, as your side
Speaker 3: does fuck all. It's a joke, and I stand by
Speaker 3: every word of that.
Speaker 2: It is a joke.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the biggest point that I wanted
Speaker 3: to make here, is that they're pretending is if if
Speaker 3: I don't just go rubber stamp that Alex pretty shooting
Speaker 3: was a okay by me, well then the deportations are
Speaker 3: gonna They're not gonna happen. Clinton, you have to support
Speaker 3: what looks like extra judicial murder or the deportations aren't
Speaker 3: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: The reality is is that we're getting what looks like
Speaker 3: a really bad shoot and not the deportation that you wanted.
Speaker 3: And you're blaming the Libertarians for being upset over the
Speaker 3: really bad shoot. Well, your president, Donald Trump isn't delivering
Speaker 3: on the deportations, not even fucking close to what he
Speaker 3: promised or what he campaigned on, not even close. And
Speaker 3: mind you, all of those things that I prescribed, He says, well,
Speaker 3: I've said the same thing. Trump's not doing them or
Speaker 3: he can't do them, to which I say, how do
Speaker 3: you know he hasn't tried the vast majority of those
Speaker 3: things I detailed out, He hasn't tried at all. He
Speaker 3: doesn't talk about when Thomas Massey decides that he's not
Speaker 3: going to vote for some enormous spending bill, does Trump
Speaker 3: bite his tongue or does he spend the next year
Speaker 3: rallying against him? The answer is he spends an entire
Speaker 3: year rallying against him because he's not exactly a wilting flower.
Speaker 3: He's not incapable of making his opinions known. But when
Speaker 3: it comes to Congress continuing to fund these immigration programs
Speaker 3: for asylum seekers or illegals or whatever else, Congress green
Speaker 3: lights it, and Trump says nothing because he doesn't care,
Speaker 3: because he's not an immigration hawk. It's Donald Trump who
Speaker 3: just came out last week and said, you know what,
Speaker 3: forget it. We're not going to be deporting anybody who
Speaker 3: works in hotels or in the fields, or in the
Speaker 3: casinos or whatever else.
Speaker 6: One of the stories that I've unfortunately been hearing this
Speaker 6: morning is that border patrol agents have now been given
Speaker 6: new orders not to for example, if they were to
Speaker 6: run a license plate and they comes back as that
Speaker 6: person is an illegal that border patrol was forced to
Speaker 6: let into the country under Joe Biden, they are no
Speaker 6: longer allowed to arrest that person.
Speaker 10: And is this the legal Is this new information that
Speaker 10: you're just you're just bringing to like right now that
Speaker 10: these new orders. Okay, And I don't want you to
Speaker 10: reveal your sources, but you have someone who you you
Speaker 10: trust on this, you believe this is a matter of official,
Speaker 10: actual approach and policy. Now, this this actually came from
Speaker 10: two Border Patrol agents, two separate Border Patrol agents on
Speaker 10: the ground in Minnesota. They're very, very frustrated, obviously, they
Speaker 10: feel like one of them actually.
Speaker 6: Said that this feels like we just reverted to the
Speaker 6: Biden days.
Speaker 3: All of those people they're good to stay. So what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? Are on twenty million deportation is
Speaker 3: going to happen? How when do you think Trump is
Speaker 3: interested in that? Clearly he's not so spare me the sermon.
Speaker 3: Howbout you hold the guy who's actually the President of
Speaker 3: the United States accountable, not political commentators on the internet.
Speaker 11: We have a lot of heart, and I said, you've
Speaker 11: got to lighten up on this.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of heart for people.
Speaker 11: They came in illegally, but they're good people and they're
Speaker 11: working now on farms and they're working in luncheonets and hotels,
Speaker 11: and we're not looking We're looking to get the criminals
Speaker 11: out right now. The criminals. Every once in a while,
Speaker 11: you see a story we take somebody. He should be
Speaker 11: out because they came in illegally, so in theory they
Speaker 11: should be. But we're focused on the murderers, the drug dealers,
Speaker 11: mentally insane.
Speaker 3: So now that I've lost all the right wingers, let
Speaker 3: me go over and offend all the left winners. If
Speaker 3: there's any still watching, probably not many, but so there
Speaker 3: is a breaking news story from CNN. Take it with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt, but the allegation is that Preddy
Speaker 3: was in another altercation with ICE agents a week ago, and.
Speaker 12: It is learning that Alex Pretty had a physical encounter
Speaker 12: with federal agents about a week before he was shot
Speaker 12: and killed. By law enforcement sources tel CNN that Preddy
Speaker 12: broke a rib when a group of federal officers tackled
Speaker 12: him while he was protesting.
Speaker 3: And in that altercation with five or six agents, he
Speaker 3: broke a rib, so obviously it was violent to some extent. Now, now,
Speaker 3: this is standard fare with all police shootings, especially controversial ones.
Speaker 3: They try and SNAr the character of the person who
Speaker 3: was shot and try and make it seem as if
Speaker 3: it was more justifiable because of his past history, when
Speaker 3: really all that matters is what transpired on that day.
Speaker 3: Was it justifiable use of lethal force or was it not?
Speaker 3: I believe it was not. But I do want to
Speaker 3: talk about kind of the macro land escape of what
Speaker 3: we're facing here because it is a really big deal.
Speaker 3: And first off, I want to say one thing I
Speaker 3: find most hilarious about Tim's rant about being the boot
Speaker 3: is that.
Speaker 2: It's my boots.
Speaker 1: It's mine. I voted for them, I'm wearing the boot.
Speaker 3: First off, you're never the boot. You're really never the boot.
Speaker 3: I mean, unless unless you're soldier, maybe you're the boot.
Speaker 3: Unless you're one of the ICE members, maybe you're the boot.
Speaker 3: But even then you're taking orders. So It's like you're
Speaker 3: never as a voter, as a voter in the country,
Speaker 3: you're not a boot.
Speaker 2: You're not the boot.
Speaker 3: And as a podcaster who endorsed and supported Trump, that
Speaker 3: doesn't make you the boot. I don't even understand how
Speaker 3: you get yourself in that mindset that you think that
Speaker 3: like you're wielding power because you voted for a guy
Speaker 3: who's not even really delivering on any things that he
Speaker 3: promised you he would do, Like you're the boot. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'm not licking the boot. I am the boot
Speaker 3: much better. I don't even know why that's more appealing to,
Speaker 3: honest but all right, I got one more insulting thing
Speaker 3: to say. Honestly, Alex pretty is closer to be in
Speaker 3: the boot than you are. I mean, these leftist agitators,
Speaker 3: which I'll grant that's what they are, are are far
Speaker 3: closer to actually wielding power than you are sitting in
Speaker 3: your studio or than I am sitting in mind. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are truly radical revolutionary people. That doesn't mean I
Speaker 3: agree with them, but in terms of like wielding actual power,
Speaker 3: these people are pretty much bringing the deportations to a
Speaker 3: standstill in Minnesota, and they're doing so without firing a
Speaker 3: shot that's wielding actual power. All Right, I've thirdly upset
Speaker 3: the right wing. Now let me talk about the left
Speaker 3: and why I'm so concerned about them. You know, these
Speaker 3: are really well oiled organizations that are doing this. Now,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that their insurrection is terrorists, as a
Speaker 3: lot of the right wingers are trying to label these people.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is that these people are truly ideologically
Speaker 3: possessed and admitted, like existentially committed. They will sacrifice everything.
Speaker 3: And this is the point that I wanted to make,
Speaker 3: is that you know, everyone on the right just keeps
Speaker 3: saying they're doing this on purpose because they want to
Speaker 3: be shot, because they want to have martyrs. And my
Speaker 3: argument to you would be, yeah, you're right, so don't
Speaker 3: give it to them. Hello, it seems as if the
Speaker 3: natural conclusion that you're coming to is so whatever, just
Speaker 3: shoot them all, I guess. Whereas my obvious counter to
Speaker 3: that is make sure that if you're going to endorse
Speaker 3: the use of the state, particularly when it comes to
Speaker 3: lethal violence killing, that you only do so in a
Speaker 3: life and death situation, Otherwise you immediately lose the high
Speaker 3: ground entering into this presidential term for Donald Trump. You
Speaker 3: had the Democrats who had opened the borders wide open,
Speaker 3: had us on the precipice of World War three. We're
Speaker 3: telling all of the boys and girls to basically change
Speaker 3: their genders. They were labeling all straight white guys or
Speaker 3: just white people broadly as enemy combatants. Essentially, they were
Speaker 3: about as oh vaccine Maine days. They were about as
Speaker 3: reprehensible as you could possibly be. And somehow in a year,
Speaker 3: given all of that goodwill, given all of the obvious
Speaker 3: moral high ground that you had, you were abandoning it
Speaker 3: because you just want to stand by what seems to
Speaker 3: be a very clearly bad shoot. Is that prudent. It
Speaker 3: seems totally unintelligent to me. It seems totally unnecessary. I
Speaker 3: think that's the thing that really bothers me most about it,
Speaker 3: is that you don't need to do this just because
Speaker 3: you say, yes, I think that was a bad shoot
Speaker 3: and he should be investigated.
Speaker 2: But the deportations continue.
Speaker 3: In fact, we're going to spend the rest of our
Speaker 3: time yelling at Trump because he's not delivering. It's all
Speaker 3: of those things that he could have been doing. When
Speaker 3: it comes to pressuring Congress to get them to actually
Speaker 3: stop the funding of this nonsense, or to push his
Speaker 3: DOJ to action will prosecute the funding sources for this nonsense.
Speaker 2: He's not doing any of that.
Speaker 3: But apparently that can't be said because I guess it
Speaker 3: shows weakness, and if you show any weakness, then the
Speaker 3: deportation stop. There's some weird mental paradigm that you guys said,
Speaker 3: or box that you put yourselves in.
Speaker 2: It makes no fucking sense. It doesn't.
Speaker 3: It's totally illogical. All you have to do is say, yeah, bad, shoot.
Speaker 3: What's going on with these deportations? Why aren't there more?
Speaker 3: Why aren't they happening faster? Why is Trump now saying
Speaker 3: he's only going to go after violent criminals? Why is
Speaker 3: he saying that basically all of his donors who have
Speaker 3: employees who are undocumented scare quotes, they get to stay.
Speaker 3: Why are you not upset with them? Why are you
Speaker 3: so upset with the libertarians? Going bad shoot, bad shoot.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's all we're saying.
Speaker 3: And it's just like youre are mortal enemies now, you
Speaker 3: fucking you wishy washy, You basically wet paper bags. As
Speaker 3: soon as we get into a fight, you guys just
Speaker 3: go run away. I am ruther away. I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you the truth. It's a bad shoot. Just accept that
Speaker 3: and we keep it moving. But no, no, we have
Speaker 3: to say that it was a great shoot, and then
Speaker 3: it's the best thing that's ever I've ever seen. It
Speaker 3: is crystal clear, like what are we doing here? I
Speaker 3: got spun off course there, But I do want to
Speaker 3: talk a little bit more about why it's so dangerous
Speaker 3: to allow this paradigm to persist. Essentially, like the left
Speaker 3: love him or hate him, I largely hite him. They
Speaker 3: are demonstrating that they have a greater commitment to this
Speaker 3: than any of us do, certainly more than Trump does
Speaker 3: by a lot, like magnitudes more. These are just like
Speaker 3: foot soldiers on the ground twenty degree weather in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: These people have ten times the heart and commitment to
Speaker 3: this than basically anybody on the right at this point.
Speaker 3: These people are serious as all get out, So you
Speaker 3: need to just start there deal with the fact that
Speaker 3: you were up against a serious force. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that these people are, you know, physically intimidating or daunting,
Speaker 3: not saying that they could win an all out war
Speaker 3: with the right. I'm not saying that I'm saying, these
Speaker 3: people are more committed to their belief system and seeing
Speaker 3: it brought to fruition than you or your leadership or
Speaker 3: anybody you know, basically, and I think that's the thing
Speaker 3: that you need to really wrestle with. Do you care
Speaker 3: about this country more than they do? Because I'll just
Speaker 3: tell you what it looks like right now. The answer
Speaker 3: is no. Now that doesn't mean that they're right just
Speaker 3: because they have more zealotry. I'm just saying their dedication
Speaker 3: to this is something to behold, something to add into
Speaker 3: your calculus in like how you proceed moving forward. You
Speaker 3: need to understand what you're up against if you have
Speaker 3: any chance of prevailing, and then once you understand the
Speaker 3: playing field, then you can actually game plan and find
Speaker 3: a way to prevail. And as of now, it seems
Speaker 3: to me that it's just knee jerk bravado. You know, well,
Speaker 3: we're pinochet all of a sudden, well, helicopters all over
Speaker 3: the place. It's like, it's ridiculous, and it doesn't come
Speaker 3: across sincere. I don't think any of you are actually
Speaker 3: ready for any of that, And I don't know why
Speaker 3: you're pretending that you are. Because it's obvious that you're not.
Speaker 3: So if you want to win but you don't want
Speaker 3: to become some uncivilized barbarian, you can do that. You're
Speaker 3: capable of doing that, but it's going to require courage
Speaker 3: and honesty first and foremost, and that's all I'm imploring
Speaker 3: you to do. Just be honest bad shoot. Also, deportations
Speaker 3: are extremely important because if you don't well, then you've
Speaker 3: essentially already seated your nation, like you've given it away.
Speaker 3: It's over at that point because once they know that
Speaker 3: you won't deport well, then it's just a matter of
Speaker 3: time before they get citizenshi and full voting rights, and
Speaker 3: you'll never win an election again. So I'm on the
Speaker 3: same side as you guys when it comes to analyzing
Speaker 3: why this matters, but we're totally apart right now when
Speaker 3: it comes to how to tactically attack this issue. And
Speaker 3: I think you're attacking it in a totally counterproductive way,
Speaker 3: and I think you're going to lose popular support as
Speaker 3: a consequence, and that is popular support that you need
Speaker 3: right now you need to reclaim. And for the record,
Speaker 3: I'm not and I'm gonna do what you guys don't do.
Speaker 3: Instead of blaming arn McIntyre and Cernovich and Timpole and
Speaker 3: all these people, I'm gonna implore you to blame the
Speaker 3: people who actually deserve it, and that is Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He's not serious about this. He has no intention of
Speaker 3: even deporting a fifth of the people that came in
Speaker 3: under Joe Biden. It ain't happening, not doing it. So
Speaker 3: start there. Can we just come back together on that.
Speaker 3: Can we say, hey, we still agree that this is
Speaker 3: a big issue. Let's move past all of this other nonsense,
Speaker 3: this extraneous stuff, and talk about the fact that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump is not trying to get Congress to do his
Speaker 3: bidding when it comes to the immigration issue in this country.
Speaker 3: And if we can actually come together on that, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe we can get action. But as long as we're
Speaker 3: just pretending that, oh, I'm tougher than you because I'm
Speaker 3: totally thrilled with that, shoot, well then we're fucking doomed.
Speaker 2: That's the truth. Hate me for saying it. I don't care.
Speaker 13: Everything is a scripted reality show. I criticize ice. People
Speaker 13: get mad at me. They're like, well, how do you
Speaker 13: think people should be deported?
Speaker 14: Da?
Speaker 2: Da da da?
Speaker 13: Number one, you can pass legislation, which they haven't done.
Speaker 13: All of the stuff they've done on immigration is through executive.
Speaker 2: Orders, a lot of it.
Speaker 13: It will be reversed immediately by democratic president. If you
Speaker 13: do a reality show spectacle where you're grabbing people here
Speaker 13: and they are left and right, and it revs everybody up,
Speaker 13: and you then have protests everywhere, Now you don't have
Speaker 13: a long term solution. What you do is you're stirring
Speaker 13: the pot and creating like many civil wars.
Speaker 2: All over the country.
Speaker 13: You're not going after employers that are employing illegal labor.
Speaker 13: You're not going after Steve Winn, You're not going after
Speaker 13: the big hotel magnets.
Speaker 3: As is all too often the case. Tim Dillon has
Speaker 3: better analysis than almost every commentator I listen to regularly.
Speaker 2: It's crazy a.
Speaker 3: Comedian, a gay comedian, Marley Ope's gay comedian is better
Speaker 3: at political analysis than y'all are. He's right, they're stirring up,
Speaker 3: but they're not actually accomplishing much at all. The deportation
Speaker 3: rates are barely above Obama's high year.
Speaker 14: There are those in the immigrants rights community who have
Speaker 14: argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are
Speaker 14: illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws
Speaker 14: on the books and put an end to deportation until
Speaker 14: we have better laws. And often this argument is framed
Speaker 14: in moral terms. Why should we punish people who are
Speaker 14: just trying to earn a living. I recognize the sense
Speaker 14: of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such
Speaker 14: an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It
Speaker 14: would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that
Speaker 14: there will be no repercussions for such a decision, and
Speaker 14: this could lead to a surge in more the illegal immigration.
Speaker 14: And it would also ignore the millions of people around
Speaker 14: the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately,
Speaker 14: our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation
Speaker 14: to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship,
Speaker 14: and no matter how decent they are, no matter there
Speaker 14: are reasons, the eleven million who broke these laws should
Speaker 14: be held accountable.
Speaker 3: That's the great right wing wave. I mean, you're satisfied.
Speaker 3: I know you're not satisfied. So let's put down the
Speaker 3: swords when it comes to each other and start talking
Speaker 3: about the people that you actually voted for that actually
Speaker 3: failed to deliver, and let's demand that they do when
Speaker 3: it comes to Epstein, when it comes to ending the
Speaker 3: war in Ukraine, when it comes to ending our relationship
Speaker 3: with Israel, or at least pulling back ever so slightly,
Speaker 3: when it comes to not going to war with Iron
Speaker 3: or Venezuela, when it comes to the Epstein list, and
Speaker 3: focusing on the deportations that we all agree are necessary.
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking to the right wingers. I know many
Speaker 3: of my libertarian audience doesn't agree with me on that.
Speaker 3: I'll convert and convince you eventually, because I don't. Look, honestly,
Speaker 3: why do I have to convince you? Just fucking look
Speaker 3: at Europe? How is it doing? Big welfare state, massive
Speaker 3: influx of immigrants in a very short period of time.
Speaker 2: How has it worked out for them?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing great, never been better, economy booming, free
Speaker 3: speech is abundant. No, it's a disaster, and we are
Speaker 3: on that same trajectory. You have to stop it. If
Speaker 3: you want to maintain any liberty in this country, you
Speaker 3: have to stop it. And I'm gonna stop even trying
Speaker 3: to argue for it because it's such a waste.
Speaker 2: Of my time. So just borders are imaginary?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well the fifty million illegals here not imaginary,
Speaker 3: but the border is imaginary or not, they aren't, So
Speaker 3: how did you contend with that? I had a great
Speaker 3: time in Texas despite it being twenty I mean, it
Speaker 3: was like almost zero at one day at night it
Speaker 3: was so brutal. Saw the Lakers huge comeback win against
Speaker 3: the MAVs. It was fun, saw a hockey game, basketball game.
Speaker 3: It was just like me and my brother, my stepdad
Speaker 3: and Live Sports talk about a dude trip right and
Speaker 3: barely surviving in the ice.
Speaker 2: Storm of Texas, which I didn't know was a thing.
Speaker 3: But we had a blast, and I really did miss
Speaker 3: you guys, and I really did want to put out
Speaker 3: an episode, but obviously I was gone for a week
Speaker 3: and I had so much to say, so I was
Speaker 3: just kind of stirring walking around the hotel, like I'm
Speaker 3: going to fucking say this. So sorry for the full
Speaker 3: on brand this entire episode, but I'm passionate, so I
Speaker 3: got it out.
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