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Speaker 1: And Hello, how are you welcome to the Big Podcast

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on this Monday. Today is the eleventh day of May,

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Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: My name is Tom Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: And as we gather around, this is going to be

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a busy, a busy week. President's going to China the

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latter half of this week, so we've got a little

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bit to talk about that. We'll update you on the

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Iran war. AOC has big plans now she does. She's

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got big, big ideas. But I want to start today

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with the antavirus. And the only time that I can

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remember thinking about or knowing about the Haunta virus was

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a little over a year ago when we got the

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news that Gene Hackman had died at his home and

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that his wife, who was quite a bit younger than him,

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he was ninety five, I think, but she had died

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from a haunt of virus and he had severe dementia.

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So he died of heart disease and dementia, and he

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couldn't take care of himself. In any case, the wife

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died of Haunta virus and it's in their home in

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Santa Fe, New Mexico. So it's not something that is common.

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It's something that's pretty rare, but it's been fascinating to

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watch the media just go out of I don't know,

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over the top, which is not unusual, but I think

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they're still trying to treat this like it's COVID and

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it's not COVID, And yeah, an animal transmit a mouse

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could transmit the disease to a human, and human to

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human can happen, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Really really rare.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Osterholm, who's an infectious disease expert University of Minnesota,

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we remember him from COVID days.

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Speaker 2: This is what his reaction is.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the good news is is that in a

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sense it is haunted virus and not another coronavirus or

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influenza virus. This is one that has very limited ability

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to be transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a

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rare exception, and so we have no question about the

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fact that this really is on the end of its

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run right now, and they're very possibive maybe not no

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additional cases from here on out. In the United States,

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there are about thirty cases a year on average, and

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they mostly occur west of Mississippi about ninety six percent,

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or West of the Mississippi, and it has to do

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with the kind of mouse that lives west of the Mississippia,

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a deer mouse, and they're the ones that really contain

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the virus. In terms of what happens around the rest

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of the world, that's different with different strains of haunt

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to virus. And the one that really raised our concerns

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with this boat related to transmission is the one from

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South America, which is called the Andes strain, and that

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one actually on occasion has resulted in person to person transmission.

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Speaker 1: So that's one infectious disease experts view of the whole thing.

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Doctor Amesha Dhalia remember him. I kind of like Old

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Home Week with some of these doctors that we would

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talk to about COVID and he also had the exact

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same response.

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Speaker 4: It's understandable this COVID was a very traumatic event for

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many people. This is the first time that they'd been

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through a pandemic. It disrupted their entire way of life.

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So now everything is looked through a pandemic lens. Anytime

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there's an infectious disease emergency, whether it's empos, whether it's

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bird flu, whether it's whether it's haunted virus. They're looking

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at it through that lens of COVID. That's coloring everything

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they think about, and that's what they're worried about. But

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you have to remember that not all viruses are interchangeable,

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that each has distinct biology, stinct transmission, and that's going

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to reflect the risk that it poses. So not everything

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can spread like COVID or influenza. Not everything can spread

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like ebola. Even so, it's really important to keep that

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in mind, that everything is going to be tailored to

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the actual pathogens biology, and I think sometimes that's lost

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on people. You know, after nineteen eighteen, they called that

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the forgotten pandemic. COVID nineteen is a little bit opposite

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of that because it's really triggering people understandably, So.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the forgotten pandemic. It was still fresh in

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everybody's mind. So any case, the media has been overblowing

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the whole thing, and all the doctors are saying, this

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is not a pandemic, it's not an epidemic, it's none

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Speaker 2: So basically cool it.

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Speaker 1: China, Like I said, President's going to China late this week,

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President's going to meet with President She. I think it's Thursday, Friday,

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Thursday and Friday, and Eunice Yun is in Beijing.

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Speaker 2: She has it.

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Speaker 1: Report from what they're expecting over there when the President

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Speaker 5: We have learned the details of President Trump's visit after

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he arrives on Wednesday. A White House official had described

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his trip as a visit of tremendous symbolic significance. On Thursday,

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a President Trump and presidentcy are going to take part

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in a welcome ceremony as well as a bilateral meeting.

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take part in a state banquet. On Friday, the two

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are going to have discussions over a bilateral t and

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also have a working lunch.

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Speaker 4: And now.

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Speaker 5: The White House official had said that President Trump is

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expected to raise the issue of China support for Iran.

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Speaker 4: The US Treasury had on.

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Speaker 5: Friday announced sanctions on several companies, including those from China

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as well as Hong Kong I'm alleged to have aided

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Iran with securing some weapons. The Chinese Foreign Ministry today

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reacted to that saying that the the US sanctions over

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Iran are illegal and unilateral. A Secretary Vessant is in

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the region. He's meeting with the Japanese Prime minister, and

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he's expected tomorrow to meet with the Chinese Vice Premier,

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who has been his counterpart in the discussions ahead of

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President Trump's trip here. Now, in terms of the business implications,

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a lot of there's obviously a lot of tension of Iran,

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but it looks as though the primary focus is business

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deals as well as trade issues. So far, CNBC has

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been able to secure with sources that Boeing CEO is

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going to arrive. The City Group CEO told CNBC that

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she is going to be here, and the Visa CEO

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also is expected to be here. According to sources, a

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lot of this is around purchases, Chinese purchases and for visas.

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be able to secure a license to be able to

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expand in the country.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there's nothing unusual about business executives going on some

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of these government trips to other countries. They tag along.

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and get some orders and the New York Times is

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reporting today that sixteen chief executive officers are going to

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be in China with the President. Elon Musk is going,

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so is Tim Cook. Let me look down the list here, So, yeah,

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Elon Musk, Tim Cook of Apple, Larry Fink of Blackrock,

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new CEO at Boeen, Brian Sykes from Cargill, Jane Fraser

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the business side of it, but units goes on with

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what else is going on in China.

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Speaker 5: The expectation is that the that on the Chinese side

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they would be looking for either a softening of language

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when it comes to Taiwan, so instead getting the Americans

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to be able to agree that that independence, that the

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US is outright opposed to independence. That's not necessarily something

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that the Americans would want to see. And also the

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expectation is that President she is going to push against

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any arm sales. There's a belief that there's going to

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be a very large package in the like around fourteen

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billion dollars or so to Taiwan, and so from the

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Speaker 1: So I think I've had a clip here of one

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of the strategies talking about global affairs and talking about

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how they're too lead. There's Trump and She will pretend

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to like each other and there will be some agreement signed.

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been worked out by their staff behind the scenes. So

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back the possibility of more military action in Iran. Let's

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start with first of all, how the president received the Well,

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it took a few days.

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Speaker 2: Remember we were going to.

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Speaker 1: Get the response from Iran on Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday.

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Bombly came in yesterday and the President did not like it.

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Speaker 7: Right now, after reading a piece of garbage. I didn't

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even finish reading it. They said, I'm not going to

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waste my time reading it. I would say it's one

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of the weakest right now. So on life support, they

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understand these are all men people. Doctor Oh's life support

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is not a good thing. Do you agree, dipognotic, I

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Speaker 8: The ceasefire is on massive life support where the doctor

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walks in and says, sir, you loved one as approximately

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a one percent chance of len.

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Speaker 1: He's referring to the medical people. There was a group

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of medical people in the Oval office when he was

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taking questions from the media. But so he said, he

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didn't even it was garbage. He didn't even read the

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whole thing, but he rejected it out of hand. Brett Murgirk,

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the guy who's worked on Middle East affairs for four

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different presidents, had this reaction, Brion, we.

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Speaker 2: Have a stalemate.

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Speaker 9: So the stalemate of her moves or the great straight stalemate,

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whatever we might call this period, once we're through it

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both sides. I think time is on their side. And

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how does a stalemate end? You can either have a

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blinking contest and this doesn't go on for some time.

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I think the economic pain will compound inside Iran, but

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they can withstand that because they don't really care the

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economy really start to compound as well. You can act militarily,

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which the President seems to be previewing there to try

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to seize the straight militarily the Project Freedom that he

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tried last week, which didn't really work. You could try that,

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I don't think it's a great option, or can continue

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to try diplomacy. Right now, the diplomacy clearly stuck. But

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the President is going to China, and so Shijinping understands power,

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not be surprised if in Beijing the Chinese try to

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What McGirk has talked about is China is going to

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play the role of the global peacemaker. They view themselves

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in that role, and you watch that's exactly how it's

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean what has been tried to be negotiated

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over the last week is basically an MoU where the

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US lifts it's blockade of Iranian ports and Iran then

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allows the status quoante to allow shipping to go through

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the Strait without resolving up front any of the nuclear

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their demands up there. They are demanding basically, the Strait

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surprising because the Revolutionary Guard, which is in control now,

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knows we have this in our hands and he's not

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going to give it up. I've negotiated with the Iranians

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with guys like Hamas, and when they have an asset,

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whether it's a hostage something else, they will not give

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it up. And so it's kind of like a hostage situation.

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very difficult predicament.

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Speaker 1: So what the Iranians are asking for in their agreement,

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is they want recognition of sovereignty for the straight up

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our moves that they're say't it's ours, so it's our

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sovereign land and it's international waterway.

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Speaker 1: They also want compensation for war damages. They want money,

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of Iranian ships, and they want release of Iranian assets,

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Speaker 2: Back to Brett McGirt.

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Speaker 9: What's happening here. This is the risk of using mediators

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because mediators is kind of a game of telephone, and

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the mediator sometimes tries to put some spin on the ball.

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might have been a misunderstanding there. You also have the

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factional disagreements inside Tehran. Bottom line, I've been saying this

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for weeks, at risk of repeating myself, there's not going

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to be a deal of the sort the US wants.

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you have to think about other options. And that could

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mean the military move in the Strait to try to

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open it up again. I think that's very risky. And

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even if you do that, the problem here is it's

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confidence for commercial shippers again. Another in the Red Sea,

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back in twenty twenty four, we a very similar problem.

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into the Red Sea. We built an international coalition to

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basically try to control it, but to get the confidence

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of international shippers and insurance companies to allow the ships

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to go through extremely difficult and hard to measure. So

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Speaker 2: All right. McGirk has done a number of these things

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in the past.

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Speaker 1: When he says there isn't going to be a deal,

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and well, if you're not going to be able to

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do negotiations and diplomacy, what else is on the cards?

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Here's bb net and Yahoo. He was simply asked, is

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the war over? Here's his answer?

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Speaker 10: Is the war with Iran over? And if it isn't,

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who will decide when it is.

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Speaker 11: I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not

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over because there's still nuclear material, enriched uranium that has

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to be taken out of Iran. There is still enrichment

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sites that have to be dismantled, there are still proxies

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that Iran supports. There are ballistic missiles that they still

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want to produce. Now we've degraded a lot of it,

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but all of that is still there and there's work

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to be done.

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Speaker 10: How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be

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removed from Iran?

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Speaker 11: You go in and you take it out with.

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Speaker 10: What special forces from Israel, special forces in the United States.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but

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the present. What President Trump is said to me, I

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want to go in there, and I think it can

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be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have

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an agreement and you go in and you take it out,

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why not that's the best way.

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Speaker 10: What if there isn't an agreement, can it be taken

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out by force?

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Speaker 11: Well, you're going to ask me these questions. I'm going

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to dodge them because I'm not going to talk about

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our military possibilities, plans, or anything of the kind.

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Speaker 10: And I'm just trying to get at how long is

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it going to take to achieve that aim.

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to give a timetable to it, but

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I'm going to say that's a terrifically important mission.

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Speaker 1: That was the interview CBS did on sixty Minutes last night,

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and so he says there's still more work to do.

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President Trump keeps talking about it's over Operation Fury is over.

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this is what he said.

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Speaker 5: So accurate to say, you think the combat operations are

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over and done, but they're sad.

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Speaker 12: I said they are. They are defeated, but that doesn't

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mean they're done. We could go in for two more

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weeks and do every single target. We've done probably seventy

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percent of them, but we have other targets that we

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could conceivably hit.

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Speaker 1: Actually, he did say it was over more than once,

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but now he's saying it's not over and there's still

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more targets. Okay, so he and BB are on the

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same page. What about General Keen?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, certainly we've been looking at this. Now we're

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in our fifth week of negotiations and there's not much

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progress here whatsoever. You know, the chart that was put

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up there is really quite revealing. What was not on

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the chart was no movement on removing their entire nuclear

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enterprise or dismantling it. And obviously they want to have

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sovereignty over the strace of a moves indefinitely and three

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of those things interesting enough in terms of what they

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what they want is they want us to finance the

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recovery of the regime, and by reparations money, remove the

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unfrozen assets, more money that's in the billions of dollars,

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and also remove sanctions that some of that would obviously

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be conditioned based on their behavior, but nonetheless it would

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help the regime to recover. Listen, President Trump is the

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ultimate backstop here. He's not going to take a deal

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like this under any circumstances because he knows that this

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deal clearly favors Roan and what a setback that would

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be for the Iranian people themselves and also for our

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national interest in the region. I mean, they would take

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that money and do well with it, recover their nuclear program,

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their ballistic missile program, and support for the proxies, the

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very thing we went into this water stop.

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Speaker 10: So where are we Listen?

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Speaker 13: President Trump likely get together with his team before he

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takes over to China, his national security team, and he'll

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look at the options. I think the most favorable option

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in front of us is really, after all of this

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time we have spent trying to negotiate a deal, recognize

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that a deal is not to be had that would

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meet our objectives. Number one, return to full combat operations

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and finish what we started. We got somewhere between a

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week to two weeks. The President knows better than I.

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He just mentioned two weeks. That's Israeli full throttle, the

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United States full throttle. Then open up the strains of

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a moose. Going full throat will help us reduce Iran's

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capability to retaliate against the straits of moves. And then

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we have an ace in the hole here that we

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should play, and that is car Gawen. We're blocking all

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the oil distribution coming out of car Gallen now, but

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we can tell the Iranians because what they will want

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to do if we return to combat operations is retaliate

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against our allies and partners oil and gas infrastructure. Tell them,

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if you begin to do that, then we will begin

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to dismantle or destroy parts of car Gower, which could

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lead to the ultimate destruction of eighty percent of their

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revenue source. Right now, it's being blocked, but blockading it

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is one thing. Destroying is quite something else. And the

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last thing that clearly has to be done here is

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make certain that we do open the straits of a

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moose and we have the full capability to do that.

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And I also think that the CIA and a massade,

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if they have a already, should brief the President in

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detail about two major points. I think that they can handle.

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This is in their lane as their business undermine the

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Iranian regime going forward and all the subtext to what

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that would mean, and also what assistance can we provide

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to the Iranian people in terms of their resistance against

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that regime. There is no internal pressure on around right now,

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but as we weaken Iran both militarily and economically, yes,

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that regime will begin to fracture, not necessarily collapse immediately,

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but in time, and the CIA can help accelerate that

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time frame leading to the eventual collapse of the regime.

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Those I think things that likely will be discussed, plus

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some other alternatives to that, but I think in my

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mind that's the main option going forward. The President has

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exercise enormous patients here and trying to work or deal

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with these guys, and it looks like they're not interested

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in it. And we hold all the cars. These people

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out there saying the Iranian hold the cards, they flat

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do not.

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Speaker 1: We hold the cards here. As I've just enumerated, well

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general Keen. I'm in one thousand percent support of what

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he says. It's after five weeks of negotiating back and

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forth and there hasn't been a micro inch of movement.

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It's time to finish off the military task.

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Speaker 2: He stopped.

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Speaker 1: The President stopped the military endeavor at seventy percent. There

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are still a couple of weeks left of things and targets,

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and let's finish that and see where we are.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

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Speaker 1: Another military guy, very thoughtful man, Admiral stab Rita's former

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NATO commander.

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Speaker 14: Aron invented the game at chess, and you can see

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them playing pretty cleverly. They don't actually have a great

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hand of cards here, but one of their true life

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skills in Tehran is negotiating, and so they're going to

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string it out as long as they can.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 14: I think President Trump has three options very quickly. He

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can kind of walk away from this, throw up his hands.

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I think that's tempting, but not the right move since

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it would leave the straight in the hands of the

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Iranians and all the nuclear material still probably at the

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bottom of a cheft in Ispahan, so not a good option.

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A second option, he can resume massive bombing campaigns, and

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you know, I think that is increasingly a possibility here

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if his frustration level rises. And then number three, where

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I think this probably lands better than even chance. You

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continue that blockade, you put more economic pressure on the Uranians,

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maybe you do some targeted strikes to eliminate the shall

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we say, in transigent elements in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards

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that appear to be driving the train from Tehran, some

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combination of all of that. But it's as unsettled as

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it's been since we started dropping bombs a couple of

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months ago.

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Speaker 1: So he's a little more, I don't know, hesitant in

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some ways. But he also said the same thing that

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General Keen said, is that use the military and target

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the IRGC and take out those leaders because they're the

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ones that are stopping any progress on diplomacy. You take

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them out, then you go back, and then you have

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more diplomacy with whoever's left.

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with him.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Dan Hoffman, former CIA guy's got his view.

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Speaker 15: I mean, either way, it's those are possible solutions. I

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can tell you that the last thing any of us

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could have expected was for Iran to indicate that there

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might be some optimism for a deal in the near term.

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With President Trump heading to Beijing for a summit, Iran

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would never have wanted to put any wind in President

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Trump's sales to give the president leverage and upcoming meetings

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with Shishin Ping. With the war in Iran unresolved and

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canntinued disruption to the global economy that helps Iran's ally China,

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and so I think that's one of the reasons why

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we're not going to see any movement, any positive movement

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until after the Beijing summit.

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Speaker 1: I think he's right, So kiss this week off. There's

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not going to be anything about Iran. It's all going

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to be focused on China, especially as we get to

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the end of the week. The guy who's the shooter

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accused of shooting at the White House correspondence dinner. I

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was going to say shooting what we don't know, But

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he was in court today for his arraignment, and there's

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a very interesting twist to this because of the fact

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that he's been accused of trying to assassinate the president.

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The President was in the ballroom, and so was Todd

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Blanche and so was Janine Piro. So the question that

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will be brought up by his defense lawyers will be

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you can't Todd Blanche or Janine Piro, you can't prosecute

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him your witnesses. Here's an attorney Brendan below to kind

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of explain it.

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Speaker 16: I think it's a really interesting argument. So the idea

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here is that Todd Blanche, the Deputy Acting Attorney General,

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in Janeine Piro the DCUs Attorney's office, cannot effectively prosecute

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this case because they are victims. They were in the

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White House correspondence dinner when mister Allen was apparently there. Ordinarily,

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I'd say that this is a bit of a stretch

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of argument. You need to show that them prosecuting the

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case would either show bias or the appearance of bias.

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But here the government might not want to argue too

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hard in the other direction because they're going to need

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to show that Donald Trump was a victim in this case,

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you know, and he also was not in the room

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with the suspect at the same time. So if they're

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going to say that Trump is a victim, they might

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also have to say that Blanche and Pure are victims too.

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I mean, it makes it, you know, it makes it

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marginally harder for the prosecution to prove its case. The

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lead charge here is attempted assassination of the president, and

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one of the interesting facts that we have so far

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is that the suspect has had a manifesto that talks

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about various wrongdoings by this administration, but that doesn't name

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Donald Trump specifically. Now it's going to be a bit

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of a stretch, but I would imagine that the defense

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is going to argue this guy might have been trying

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to do harm, but he wasn't specifically targeting the President.

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Speaker 1: I learned a long time ago that don't try to

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use logic when you're trying to explain the law. But

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one thing that mister Bloua pointed out is that the

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judge in this case is not going to accept any

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funny business.

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Speaker 16: It's possible you could get a prosecutor from the Eastern

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District of Virginia or Maryland or something like that, so

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logistically it's possible. But I agree Judge McFadden, who've appeared

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in front of a very experienced judge, is a former

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Trump administration official and a former police officer, so I

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think he might naturally be a little skeptical of an

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argument like that.

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Speaker 1: Another dis's not going to buy that. So that's what's

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going on with the shooter from the White House correspondence

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dinner over the weekend. Actually it was Friday knight in Denver.

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You've seen the story by now about Frontier Airlines. They

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were taking off from Denver on their way to Los

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Angeles and somebody walked onto the airport property. If you've

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ever been to Denver, it's a massive, massive airport. It

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is fifty fifty six square miles thirty six miles of fence,

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and they have video of this guy walking. Climbed a

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fence somewhere and walked all the way over to the

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runway and you can't miss an airplane coming and stood

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on the runway as the plane basically ran over him

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and killed him. So here's a little bit of the

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of the air traffic controllers talking to the ground units

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after the plane had hit the guy and Retchie Thrink command,

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sorry about the Juey run.

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Speaker 2: The one three five right is closed. I do have

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limbs on the runway.

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Speaker 10: I believe they are pass struck in individual.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so we have.

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Speaker 11: A I'll plane into.

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Speaker 12: An Yeah, I've got what appears to be a deceased

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person on them.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first one mentioned that they have limbs.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about a jet just even when

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they're at the gate and they're pushed off everybody on

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the ground is double triple explained that you never get

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in front of the jet engine just as they're starting

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them up. That jet engine can suck a human right

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into the engine. It has happened, and that's what happened here,

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is that that person that walked onunder the runway was

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sucked right through the engine. That's why the engine shot

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flames out and there was smoke that went into the

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into the cabin, which freaked out all the people on

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the plane. Here's a former well he's a pilot, Matthew Buckley,

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who knows about this sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Bill, You nail that.

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Speaker 17: Middle of nowhere. This isn't midway, This isn't airport in

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the middle of a city, in downtown Chicago. So this person,

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I don't know it was a mental episode or a

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death wish you know, suicide by airplane. This was a

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concerted effort to get onto an active runway and to

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walk in front. You can see an airliner taking off.

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You can't miss it. So it's absolute harder. But it's

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either a mental episode or it was on purpose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely. I mean people do this, they

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jump in front of trains. It's a lot harder to

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jump in front of an airplane. And it was at

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I like about eleven fifteen at night, so it was

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dark and the tower didn't see this person walking across

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the airport area. But the other part about it was

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because there was smoke, because the engine caught fire because

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the man went through the engine, and the way the

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ventilation works, it comes from the engines essentially, and so

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there was smoke in the in the passenger section, and

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the people started freaking out. But the pilot said, all right,

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let's evacuate, open the slides, evacuate everybody right here on

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the airport. Run and people we're told, don't take any

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of your carry ons. You've got to move fast. I mean,

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if the plane is going to be on fire, which

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it wasn't, but if it was the engine was on fire,

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seconds can save lives. Here's back to Matthew Buckley.

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Speaker 17: Let me warn my fellow Americans if I'm on an

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airline or theirs smoke or flames and they order an

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evacuation and you're in front of me getting your riverhead.

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You're not going to be in front of me along, folks.

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It is a it should I don't know where Secretary

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Jeffrey is or the FAA or even the airline should

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be looking at every frame in these videos, and those

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people should never be allowed to fly again. You can

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buy a new pair of underwear, folks, you cannot buy

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another life. Get off the airplane. It's an absolute disgrace,

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and it technically it's a federal offense. You have to

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follow the instructions of the flight crew and that when

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they tell you they leave that stuff behind, they're not

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speaking because they like to hear themselves tall.

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Speaker 10: Get off the airplane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people were taking videos after they got off. They

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of course grab their cameras and stand there at the

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bottom of the slide and take videos of people coming

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down with their carry on luggage. It's insane. So they'll

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figure this thing out. But I'm sure the guy meant

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to stand in front of that airplane. He wanted to

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commit suicide, sadly. And then AOC say what you want

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about her, but she is building a lot of support

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on the far left. There's a lot of people out

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there who think the world of her. She was being

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interviewed by David Axelrod at the Institute for the Study

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of Politics, and she has big ideas for herself.

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Speaker 6: They assume that my ambition is a title or seat.

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My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is

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to change this country. Residents come and go, but single

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pair of health cares forever.

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Speaker 18: Huh, A living wage is forever, workers right for forever,

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women's rights, all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she said. She wants to change the country.

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She doesn't like the way the country is, and she

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wants to change the country.

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Speaker 4: You look at.

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Speaker 18: Thomas Jefferson writing to Madison in Revolt of British Aristocracy.

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The American Revolution was against the billionaires of their time.

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It's actually the most American thing in the world for

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us to be fighting for the working class, and it's

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actually patently un American to try to aspire to transform

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our country into a place of king.

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Speaker 1: Well, once again, she got our history a little bit wrong.

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It wasn't about a revolution against billionaires. In fact, George Washington,

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who led the revolution, was one of the wealthiest people

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in our early colonies. So it wasn't against wealthy people.

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But that's where her that's her view, and she is

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convincing a lot of other people to go along with

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her on that. So David Axelrod was doing the interview

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at the Institute for Politics in Chicago and he was

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asked about that that whole session.

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Speaker 19: Both things are true. There also is a third dimension,

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which is I added another option, which is might you

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run for Senator Schumer's seat in New York in twenty

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twenty eight, which is a very live possibility. You had

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fourteen hundred young people there. They cheered when I suggested

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that some people would like to see you run for president.

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They cheered even louder when I said some people would

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like to see you run for Senator Schumer's seat in

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twenty twenty eight. So this is a high class problem

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for AOC right. A lot of options out there for her.

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But she, first of all, she did not say no

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to anything. That's the first thing to note. But what

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she said was interesting and not like what most politicians say,

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which is I don't really I'm not really calibrating myself

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according to the position I might or could run for

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I'm calibrating myself to how I can best promote those

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things that I think are important for rank and file,

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average working people in this country, like healthcare, like living

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wages and so on. And that really landed. That really

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landed well. And I believed her. And I don't think

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that she got into politics. You know, there are a

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lot of people in politics who from birth are thinking

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about how do I, how do I get to that

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top rung of this political ladder. I don't think that's

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who she is. I don't think it ever occurred to

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her when she was young. But now she's presented with

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these options, and what she's saying is people think they

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can use that as leverage and then I'll calibrate my

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ambitions according to what job I want to run for.

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I'm not going to do that. And so that was

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an unusual answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I believe axel Rod when he says he

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thinks that she's sincere. She sincerely believes what she says.

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She wants to change his country, and she believes that

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billionaires and all that are terrible and should be eliminated.

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So keep an eye better, keep both eyes on what

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AOC is doing, because she's gathering support as she goes

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around the country. She was down at Ebenezer Baptist Church

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in Atlanta yesterday and same thing, huge response, big cheers.

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So she's got a lot of people that are in

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support of her future. Wall Street today it was positive

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for a mundane for all the news going on around

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the world, but the Dow Jones industrials finished up ninety five,

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the now at forty nine thousand and seven oh four,

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the S and P up fourteen, the NASDAK up twenty seven.

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Gold was up fourteen dollars to four thousand and seven

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forty four, and the price of oil it went up

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as well, up three dollars to ninety eight dollars for

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West Texas Intermediate. That's it for today. Thank you for

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coming by. We'll be back again tomorrow and I hope

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to see you then.