Speaker 1: Imagine this. Okay, it's the dead of night at Nellis
Air Force Base, huge place, Nevada, desert, totally silent, the
mess hall usually buzzing right, completely empty except for this
one lone cook. Maybe he's got a midnight craving, maybe
he just can't sleep. Who knows, he's got the keys.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's in.
Speaker 1: There, grabbing a snack, probably thinking about I don't know
tomorrow's menu, just mundane stuff. And then the hair on
the back of his neck just stands up.
Speaker 2: That feeling, Yeah, he feels it.
Speaker 1: Like totally unmistakable, that chilling sensation, you know, being watched.
He turns around, expects nothing, and for a second he's right.
But then corner of his eye a flash something small,
white and just unbelievably fast. Who he hears this quiet
squeal like a door, then running steps, fading out into
the desert darkness. He catches these glimpses something white darting
through the brush. Too big for rat way, too nimble
for a coyote.
Speaker 2: Okay, so not a normal animal, not normal at all.
Speaker 1: And whatever it is, he does not want it in
his kitchen. So instinct kicks in, grabs a rock, nearby
chunks it towards the rustling sound.
Speaker 2: Okay, fight or flake kicking.
Speaker 1: As exactly, and he hears this faint whimper, so he
pulls his arm back. Maybe I'll throw another one, and bam,
this agonizing, like scorching pain shoots through his entire body.
Oh wow, drops the rock. Just paralyzed, pure raw terror
freezes him right there, and then it hits him a
voice clear as a bell, but it's inside his mind,
well bathic, right inside his head. It says stop or
die geez the pain gone. Just like that. Paralysis lifts
and he bolts, scrambles back into the kitchen, slams the
door locks it, shaking, absolutely convinced of one terrifying thing.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: Whatever that voice was, whatever that thing was out there,
it was not human.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a that's an immediate jolt, isn't it. That
kind of fear it's profound. It's way beyond just being spooked. Yeah,
it's visceral, it is. It's not just seeing something weird
from far away. This is like an invasion right into
your personal space and your mind itself, and it just
shatters any idea you might have about you know, boring
routine life on a military base just peels back that
layer of normal and shows you something really really unsettling underneath.
Speaker 1: And that chilling scene, that immediate threat, that's exactly what
hooks us for what we're diving into today. Our mission
here for you listening is to really explore this extraordinary
account comes straight out of the Nevada Desert, right. It's
this alleged secret history, a story that kind of weaves
together covert military stuff, technology that just sounds well impossible,
and beings from somewhere else, from beyond Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're digging into some pretty remarkable sources here,
detailed accounts that, I mean, if even a fraction of
what they claim is true, it really forces you to
rethink reality, doesn't it, and maybe even how human progress
actually happened.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And what's fascinating is how these stories, you know,
the kind that often get brushed off is just folklore
or sci fi. Sometimes they have these elements that just resonate,
they connect with deeper, unexplained things. So we're gonna peel
back the layers, follow this one guy's journey into what
he says was a hidden world, and.
Speaker 2: See how it might just connect the dots maybe to
some of the biggest technological leaps we've seen in the
last century, stuff we kind of take for granted now
without maybe knowing the full story behind them.
Speaker 1: So if you've ever wondered about those aha moments in history,
you know, those sudden bursts of innovation, or if you've
ever just had that nagging feeling like what's really going
on behind the current, Yeah, then this deep dive is
definitely for you. It's a chance to maybe connect some
dots you didn't even know existed, to look again at
technologies that seem unrelated, and just ponder, you know, what if,
what if even a tiny bit of this story is real?
What does that mean?
Speaker 2: It opens up a whole world, doesn't it? A world?
It's probably a lot stranger, a lot more complex than
we usually think exactly.
Speaker 1: So let's unpack it. Let's jump right into this really
extraordinary story.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So our story really kicks off in March nineteen
sixty five. There's this young guy, Charles Hall, arriving at
Nellis Air Force Base out in the Nevada Desert. Okay,
he's fresh out of basic training. You know that feeling
exhausted but kind of optimistic, ready for whatever's next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there. Well, not basic, but yeah.
Speaker 1: And Charles, by all accounts, was smart, like really smart,
maybe even a bit of a prodigy. The Air Force
tested him, found he had this clear knack for math
and science, graduated top of his class.
Speaker 2: Impressive. So you'd think he gets his pick of assignments, right,
Usually you excel, they give you some choice.
Speaker 1: That's what you'd think. But Nope, not Charles. He was
sent specifically to Nellis, to this area that well people
often casually call Area fifty one. Officially it was a
detachment of Edward's Air Force Base, but it's location right
near that legendary hush hush site. Well that's kind of
flag number one, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It definitely raises an eyebrows straight away, And it makes
you wonder, doesn't it. How often are people just seemingly
normal folks with no prior inkling knowingly put right into
these pivotal spots, situations that end up shaping these larger
hidden stories.
Speaker 1: Right, And Charles gets this job that sounds honestly deceptively simple,
weather observer.
Speaker 2: Weather observer out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his main job drive around this massive base taking
environmental readings. No, most people might think, wow, that sounds
incredibly boring, especially in the middle of the quiet, desolate,
Nervada desert.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I can see that.
Speaker 1: But Charles, from what our sources say, he didn't really
seem to mind. He got his own truck, a bit
of extra pay, and crucially no officers constantly looking over
his shoulder.
Speaker 2: Rare perk nice.
Speaker 1: He actually seemed to kind of dig the quiet, the
solitude of the desert, liked the piece, and you know,
Vegas was close enough if he needed a break.
Speaker 2: So it sounds almost like the perfect gig for a quiet,
smart young guy. Peaceful, maybe a bit boring, yeah, but low.
Speaker 1: Stress exactly, a seemingly calm, benign assignment. But that quiet desert,
that seemingly dull job, it was about to become the
stage for something completely mind blowing. That comfort he found
in the silence, Yeah, that was gonna get shattered pretty
quick by encounters that would just redefine everything he thought
he knew about peace, fear, reality itself.
Speaker 2: It really makes you think how many seemingly routine jobs
throughout history, you know, military or otherwise, we're actually the
first step into something huge, something hidden just beneath the
surface of everyday life totally.
Speaker 1: So Charles is settling in doing the new guy thing,
getting the feel for the base, probably shooting the breeze
with his buddy Dwight, you know, complaining about the awful
mess hall food.
Speaker 2: Oh, standard military show talk, yeah.
Speaker 1: And which officers to avoid. Just typical soldier bonding stuff, right,
the kind of chat that builds friendships in those isolated places. Sure,
But then the conversation takes this sudden, like really weird turn.
Dwight gets super serious. His whole tone changes from casual
joking to this grave, almost urgent warning. He tells Charles, look, Charlie,
summer's coming up. You got to keep an eye out
for Range four Harry.
Speaker 2: Range four Harry. Okay, that doesn't sound like an officer
to avoid, not at all.
Speaker 1: And what's wild is the almost mythical way Dwight talks
about him or it. Range four Harry isn't described as
a person. It's this what almost like a cryptid something supernatural.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: Dwight says, Harry loves the heat, hides up in the
mountains when it's cooler, but comes down to the Indian
Springs area when it gets really hot, specifically likes running
around on the dry lake beds up.
Speaker 2: On Range four right, and the description.
Speaker 1: Bizarre, totally bizarre. It's supposed to be a horse, but
a horse that got too close to an atomic bomb
test back in fifty four at Frenchman Flats.
Speaker 2: An atomic horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not close enough to be vaporized apparently, but close enough.
That's something well, something really unnatural happened to him now,
Dwight says. He gives off this white glow. Isn't like
a normal horse. He's quote more human like, with large
blue eyes and a long white tail.
Speaker 2: Human light. Wow. Okay, it's getting weirder.
Speaker 1: And then comes the big warning scary part. Do not
approach him, Dwight says, And whatever you do, do not
look at his face.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's chilling. Don't look at his face why.
Speaker 1: Dwight doesn't really explain why, just that you absolutely shouldn't,
and Charles's reaction exactly what you'd expect. He just bursts
out laughing, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I probably would too, sound like classic hazing.
Speaker 1: Totally. The new guy gets the ridiculous scary story a radioactive,
glowing human faced horse. Come on, he's probably picturing some
older guys hiding in the bushes with a flashlight. Right,
But Dwight, he's dead serious. He doubles down, tells Charles
about this guy John Zimmam and the last guy who
got too close to Harry says he doesn't want Charles
ending up like him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So Dwight's not joking.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it. It's this absurd story, but told
with such conviction, it's actually kind of creepy. And that's
the thing about stories and places like that, right, these isolated,
high pressure communities, legends just take root. Sometimes they fill
a void, or maybe maybe sometimes they're masking something terrifyingly real.
Speaker 2: It really highlights the whole psychological landscape of a place
like that. How does a story that sounds so completely
off the wall gain that kind of traction, especially in
a military setting where everything's supposed to be about logic
and procedure.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 2: It hints at this underlying tension, maybe a deep secret
that needs some kind of outlet, even if it comes
out sideways in this bizarre, almost unbelievable story. And then
then comes the moment that turns it from a creepy
story into something much, much worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The very next day, Charles has to go to
the infirmary, just a routine physical before heading out to
the ranges. He's still kind of chuckling to himself about
Range four, Harry, this ridiculous prank. The nurse on duty,
she's this kind older woman, asks him what's so funny,
So Charles, still thinking it's all a gag, tells her
Dwight's crazy story about the glowing horse and what supposedly
happened to John.
Speaker 2: Zimmerman and her reaction.
Speaker 1: Her face just drops instantly, goes from like mild curios
to dead serious concern. She tells him, hang on, I'll
be right back. Charles hears her opening and closing this
heavy metal filing cabinet in the back.
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds ominous.
Speaker 1: When she comes back, her voice is low, serious, almost grim.
She tells him, look, I'm really not supposed to show
you this. It's highly classified, but since you're going out
to Range four, you need to know what's really out there.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, here it comes.
Speaker 1: And that's when the proof hits him, tangible visceral proof.
It just shatters his whole it's just a prank idea
inside Zimmerman's medical file. She shows him four photos, horrific
photos of Zimmerman. Yeah, a man just covered in these
unspeakably awful radiation burns. God and Zimmerman's own fragmented memory
all he could recall through the agony. A white horse
came out of the North Range and charged him, charged him. Yeah,
they found him out at Indian Springs, barely alive, in
absolute agony. The injuries totally consistent with intense direct radiation exposure.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrifying. And suddenly the silly horse story isn't
silly at all. That's irrefutable evidence right there for you listening.
I mean, what would it take for you to believe
something that sounds so crazy if you were staring at
photos like that?
Speaker 1: Exactly? For Charles, his stomach just sank. The laughter, the
skepticism thinking it was just hazing, all gone evaporated. That
playful prant turned into this chilling, terrifying reality range for
Harry was real and horrifying. The fear he felt then
it was deep primal.
Speaker 2: I could only imagine. And then, not long after that shock,
Charles meets Sully, the guy he's actually replacing.
Speaker 1: Out there, right, And Sully seems like a good guy, initially, friendly, funny,
easy to get along with. They do the usual handover
stuff pleasantries. Sully takes Charles on a quick tour of
a couple of the weather shacks out on the ranges. Okay,
standard procedure, Yeah, but one of the shacks is locked
for some reason. Sully just kind of shrugs, tells Charles, ah,
just write down any old numbers, you know, typical government work.
Speaker 2: Eh, okay, cut in corners.
Speaker 1: But Charles, being the diligent guy he is, reminds Sully, hey,
we've only checked three shacks. There are four more, Range one, two, three,
and Range four.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, range four.
Speaker 1: And that's when Sully's whole vibe just shifts instantly. The
easy smile gone, replaced by this mask of just raw.
Speaker 2: Fear, palpable fear. You said, wow totally.
Speaker 1: He reluctantly agrees, okay, fine, he'll take Charles to the
other stations, but with one major exception. Range four absolutely
not okay.
Speaker 2: So he's terrified of Range four.
Speaker 1: Terrified doesn't even cover it. When they get out to
Range one, Sully won't even get out of the truck.
He's just frozen, hands gripping the steering wheel, knuckles, white face, pale.
He tells Charles if he wants to check the shack,
he has to go alone.
Speaker 2: Seriously, he won't even get out.
Speaker 1: Nope. Sully says he'll keep watch. But then he adds
this chilling line. He says, if he sees anything, he's
gonna drive back to base for help, adding, if you
hear me leave, lock yourself in the shack and wait,
I'll come back for you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's that's terrifying. That's like something out
of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Lock yourself in and wait, right a season air Force
guy just paralyzed by some unseen threat, and Charles, trying
to process this, asks him, is this about range.
Speaker 2: For Harry and Sully's reaction he.
Speaker 1: Snaps back, like desperately, there's no such thing. But his
body language, the white knuckles, the fear in his eyes,
it screams the opposite. He wouldn't even take his hands
off the wheel.
Speaker 2: Wow, denial in the face of pure terror.
Speaker 1: And when Charles goes into the shack on Range one
and checks the log book, nobody had signed in.
Speaker 2: For months, So Sully wasn't even going out there.
Speaker 1: Nope, driven by this deep fear, he'd just been faking
the weather readings. He later admitted it to Charles, shuddering,
saying he would never ever go out to those ranges again.
Speaker 2: The psychological impact there is just profound. You see this contrast, right,
the friendly guy versus the man gricked by raw terror.
It's not just a legend anymore. It's real fear that
has completely broken this guy, made him unable to even
do his job. Yeah, it really makes you think the
true nature of whatever's out there is way more potent,
more terrifying than any story could capture to cause that
kind of reaction in trained military personnel. What could Sully
have possibly seen or experience to justify that level of breakdown,
The kind of fear that makes you abandon your post,
lie to your superiors.
Speaker 1: That is the chilling question, isn't it what happens when
the enemy isn't in any training manual. So fast forward
a few months, Charles Hall is spending more time alone
out on those Indian Springs ranges than anyone.
Speaker 2: Else, despite the warnings, despite the photos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because honestly, he kind of liked the peace and quiet,
The vastness of the desert had this weird kind of calm.
Plus he still hadn't actually seen range for Harry, so
maybe he started thinking, you know, maybe Sully and Dwight
were just easily spooped by the base legends.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe trying to rationalize it away could be So.
Speaker 1: It's just another blazing hot day out there, ground temp
easily one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty degrees fahrenheit,
suffocating heat. Charles is in his weather shack kind of
half dozing as the sun starts to set, just enjoying
the quiet. Listening to he called the songs of METARs.
Speaker 2: Songs of METARs? What's that?
Speaker 1: Just his term for the peaceful desert sounds, you know,
birds chirping, bugs rustling the wind, just watching the sky
turn those amazing desert colors fiery red and deep blue.
Speaker 2: Sounds peaceful actually, despite the.
Speaker 1: Heat, it was. But that's how it happens, right, the
mundane suddenly flips into the extraordinary. In that quiet moment,
watching the sunset, he sees something darting between the sagebrush.
He blinks, thinks, maybe it's the heat playing tricks on
his eyes. But then it's there again, a flash of movement.
First thought, big rabbit, maybe a coyote, something you'd expect
to see. But it's covered in this brilliant white fur,
and it's moving weirdly, erratically, like it's in distress. He squints,
tries to focus in the fading light, and then it
hits him the gut punch realization. It's not an animal.
Speaker 2: Not an animal, then what it was? A child?
Speaker 1: A child out there alone.
Speaker 2: Barely three feet tall, skin as white as chalk, like plaster,
wearing the shimmering silk jumpsuit, brilliant white blonde hair that
kind of caught the last sunlight, and bright blue eyes,
and she looked absolutely terrified. Oh my god, just as
terrified as Charles suddenly felt. She was tangled up in
the thorny brush, clearly stuck, whimpering.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: And this is where Charles's basic humanity just kicks in.
Despite the shock, despite how utterly bizarre and alien, this
kid looked, that instinct to help someone small and in
trouble just took over.
Speaker 1: That's a powerful instinct, it is. He calls out to
her gently, says he won't hurt her. He carefully starts
clearing the brush around her so she can get free,
making it super clear he wasn't going to touch her.
Speaker 2: Good thinking, ye, showing non aggression.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He even leaves his canteen full of water on
a nearby fence post, tells her, if you're lost, I
can help, just ask, he said, he thought of his
own sister. You know, any kid in trouble, that urge
to protect just pushed right through the fear.
Speaker 2: That act of compassion, that's huge. It goes beyond fear,
confusion about who or what she is. It's just a
human response to vulnerability, and it totally sets the stage
for what happens next. Right, Yeah, it's like a nonverbal signal,
I mean no harm.
Speaker 1: Absolutely critical moment, but the scene flips again from concern
back to just sheer terror for Charles.
Speaker 2: Why what happens?
Speaker 1: Just as he turns back towards his shack, maybe feeling
like he did the right thing, he hears this crashing
sound in the brush, something big, something fast, and getting closer,
like terrifyingly fast. He whips around and there he is
a very tall man, same features as the little girl
that chalk white skin, the white hair, the silver suit,
and he is charging right at Charles's face, contorted in
just pure fury, charching man, and the sounds change, those
peaceful songs of meet ours gone, replaced by these piercing screeches.
The whole desert just erupts in this chaotic, panicked, unnatural noise. Wow,
Charles's mind must have been racing. Is this range for
Harry or something even scarier? He doesn't wait to find out.
He dives back into the weather shack, slams the door,
barricades the best he can, questioning everything, but sure of
one thing. These were not human beings.
Speaker 2: The terror, the retreat, barricading himself in classic fight or
flight playing out in this totally bizarre, extraordinary situation. Yeah,
so he's trapped in the shack.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, waits for what feels like forever, hours go by,
pitch black inside, the sounds outside eventually just fade away
until he's quiet again, just the wind.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Finally gets up the nerve to leave the shack. The
air feels different, charged. Maybe he looks over to where
he left the canteens.
Speaker 2: Is it still there?
Speaker 1: It is, but it's half empty and in the sand,
clear as day. Are three sets of footprints, one small
like a child's and two much larger, adult sized prints.
Speaker 2: Proof. Okay, so he wasn't hallucinating. It was real, three of.
Speaker 1: Them, undeniable proof. He scrambles to his jeep, just wants
out of there, peers back towards the base, trying to
escape this nightmare on the ranges.
Speaker 2: I'll blame him one bed.
Speaker 1: But the shocks aren't done yet, not even close. Driving
like crazy across the desert, maybe just a few minutes later,
he gets another jolt, even more profound, this time standing
in the brush right next to the road, almost like
she was waiting for him. Is this extremely tall woman,
like well over six feet, same chalk white skin, same
shimmering silver hair that seems to glow almost phosphorescent in
the dim light.
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Another one, yeah, and Charles feels that panic rising again. Right,
another wave of fear. But then this incredibly profound sense
of calm just washes over him, radiating from the woman.
Speaker 2: Radiating calm. How does that work?
Speaker 1: He didn't know, but he felt it. And as he
drives past her slowly now, he hears her voice clear, distinct,
not in his ears, though directly in his mind again telepathically.
Speaker 2: And what does she say?
Speaker 1: She thanked him for helping her daughter.
Speaker 2: WHOA Okay, that changes everything, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: This overwhelming feeling of peace and gratitude just floods him
coming from her. It completely overrides his fear. He said,
he felt totally unab to be afraid even if he tried,
just this deep sense of benevolence.
Speaker 2: That's incredible helopathic communication, emotional projection. The implications are huge.
It shows a level of control and intimacy of interaction
that's almost beyond our human way of thinking. How would
that shape a society, being able to project emotions like that? Yeah,
and what does it say about their intentions? Maybe not
hostile despite the father's reaction.
Speaker 1: Maybe not. But once the woman disappears and that radiating
calm fades, the fear comes rushing back. Sickness hits him
like a ton of bricks, he says, slam on the bricks,
stumble out of the jeep and just throws up violently
psychological whiplash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that the intensity is just too much.
Speaker 1: He vomits again, just shaking, gasping, the sheer intensity physically manifesting.
But this interaction. This was the key Charles had completely
by accident, won the trust of one of these beings.
Beings the US government apparently had secretly nicknamed the Tall Whites.
Speaker 2: The Tall Whites. Okay, so that's the name. And what
an absolutely insane, terrifying and then strangely peaceful first real encounter.
It just blows the doors wide open for everything else
that follows, right, Yeah, plunges Charles into this reality he
never even dreamed existed exactly.
Speaker 1: So let's dig into these Tall Whites a bit more
based on what Charles Hall learned during his time out there.
First off, what do they look like? Charles described them,
and other accounts seem to back this up. They're generally tall, yeah,
like five foot eleven to maybe six feet tall for
most of their adult lives, but really thin, almost frail
looking kind of ethereal right. And the skin, the skin
is the striking thing, described as white as a piece
of paper, almost see through. There's even this fascinating account
from way back in eighteen ninety six that calls their
skin polished ivory. Gives you a really vivid image, doesn't
it fallish ivory?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, it does. And the hair and eyes.
Speaker 1: Hair is brilliant white blonde or this shimmering silver color,
almost metallic looking, and their eyes are this piercing bright blue.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. He's just thinking about the evolution path that
leads to traits like that, that super pale skin. For instance,
you mentioned they naturally live underground on their home planet.
That makes sense, right, lack of sun exposure like caved
dwelling species on Earth, losing pigment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The whole look. It's like human ish, but also, as
Charles Barley said, not like anything I had ever seen.
There's this indescribable beauty, but it's definitely alien. Hintset of
fundamentally different biology, maybe adapted perfectly to their own world.
Speaker 1: And it's not just how they look. Their biology is, well,
it's really peculiar, totally alien to how we understand life.
For one thing, they age incredibly slowly, like mind bogglingly slowly.
Speaker 2: How slowly are we talking?
Speaker 1: Okay, get this. They have two main growth stages. The
first stage lasts until they're about four hundred years old.
Four hundred years old. By then they reach their full
adult height, maybe six or seven feet. But then they
hit a second growth stage.
Speaker 2: There's more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can grow even taller, up to maybe eight
or nine feet, and get this, their bright blue eyes turn.
Speaker 2: Pink pink guys. Wow, And their lifespan if they hit
four hundred and stage one, average.
Speaker 1: Life span around eight hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that just completely changes the game, doesn't it.
Imagine the societal implications culture memory, how you plan for
the future living for eight centuries, right, our.
Speaker 1: Whole human life span is just a blip compared to that.
Speaker 2: Their history would be immense, their collective memory unimaginable. Their
approach to long term projects to progress it would be
totally different from our short term thinking. They'd likely value
patients long term vision wisdom gathered over centuries. Our human
focus on instant results will probably seem incredibly naive, almost
childish to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it puts our whole existence into perspective.
Speaker 2: It also makes you wonder about their sense of urgency,
or maybe their complete lack of it when dealing with us,
a species that lives and dies so quickly. Our timelines
are just fundamentally different.
Speaker 1: Mind boggling is the word eight hundred years. Okay, So
moving on to their communication and mental abilities, this gets
even wilder, almost unsettling.
Speaker 2: Like the telepathy exactly.
Speaker 1: As Charles found out firsthand. They can communicate directly into
your mind, no sound needed. They can also project emotions.
Remember that overwhelming piece Charles felt, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or the paralyzing fear the cook felt earlier.
Speaker 1: Right. They can project that stuff into you, and they
can sense your emotional state too, makes lying to them
probably pretty difficult.
Speaker 2: Wow, talk about transparency.
Speaker 1: They can speak English apparently, but their natural voices totally
different range than ours, higher highs, lower lows, described as
sounding like songbirds are making warbling sounds. Probably sounds completely alien.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Charles observed the scene peaceful, but we're
always armed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a key point. Naturally peaceful, he thought, But
they always carried this pen like object. Charles described it
as being able to stun, damage, or even kill.
Speaker 2: So peaceful but prepared. That's interesting. What does that suggest?
Maybe a history of conflict somewhere in their past, or
does practical self defense in the universe that might be
dangerous even if you're generally peaceful, could be either.
Speaker 1: Right, a sort of cautious philosophy.
Speaker 2: It suggests this weird balance between their advanced empathy and
a kind of cold necessary caution, and think about, how
would you listening right now, really communicate with beings who
can read your emotions and project theirs onto you. It
could lead to really deep connection, sure, but it also
makes you incredibly vulnerable totally.
Speaker 1: So where did they come from their origin? Charles was
never told exactly where their home planet was. He got
the feeling they kept it secret on purpose, maybe for safety,
maybe just to keep some mystery. But he did pick
up a few details. Their home world is supposedly hotter
and larger than Earth, and like we said, they naturally
live underground there, which lines up with the pale skin
and all.
Speaker 2: That, right, the environmental adaptation.
Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting, especially if you
follow other weird phenomena. One night, Charles is just chatting
with them casually mentions the star Arcturus, you know, big
star in the constellation Boots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Arcturus bright one.
Speaker 1: Well, when he mentioned Arcturus, the tall whites all got
super nervous, like visibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Really arcturis why?
Speaker 1: Who knows? But that specific star system Arcturus has popped
up in other alleged alien contact stories and anomalous reports before.
Speaker 2: Huh, okay, that is interesting, adds another layer coincidence, or
maybe it points to some bigger, connected, cosmic picture we're
just not.
Speaker 1: Seeing exactly makes you wonder.
Speaker 2: And the fact that their home planet is hotter, bigger
and they live underground, it just hammers home. How different
their whole evolutionary journey must have been. How would that
shape how they see Earth, this wet surface dwelling world
and us. The mention of arcturists, their reaction, it suggests
not just an origin, but maybe a sensitive history or
a connection they guard really closely. Yeah, Like there's this
whole complex, cosmic neighborhood out there, with its own politics,
its own secrets.
Speaker 1: It really does feel that way. So okay, if all
this is true, these advanced, telepathic, super long lived beings,
what was Charles Hall's actual role if they already had
some kind of relationship with the US government, Like some
sources hint, why him? Why this random airman?
Speaker 2: Good question? What's the story there?
Speaker 1: The unbelievable truth, according to these accounts, is that Charles
wasn't just randomly assigned to Nellis. His commanders didn't just
pick his name out of a hat. His buddy Dwight
didn't recommend him. No, then, how this seemingly random posting
the quiet weather observer job totally staged. Charles was specifically
chosen picked out by a committee, a committee made up
of high ranking US generals, government officials, and leaders of
the Tall Whites themselves.
Speaker 2: WHOA Okay, that flips the script entirely, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Charles wasn't just observing the weather, he was the one
being observed. He was essentially an unwitting subject in this
massive interspecies experiment.
Speaker 2: Unwitting they never told them, never.
Speaker 1: No classified briefings, no secret documents, no black ops read
in nothing. He had no idea what his real assignment was.
Speaker 2: Okay, ethically, that's incredibly problematic, isn't it using someone like
that without their knowledge or consent in something so profound,
potentially dangerous. What does that say about the power dynamics
between US government and the Tall Whites, their willingness to
operate outside normal rules.
Speaker 1: It's a chilling thought for sure, that an individual could
just be used like a pawn in some larger game.
And this leads us right into this idea of the
Unseen Deal. There have been rumors for years, right, whispers
in certain circles that at least one alien race, maybe
more cut some kind of secret deal with the US government.
Speaker 2: Right, the Eisenhower rumors specifically.
Speaker 1: Exactly early nineteen fifty four President Eisenhower. But these aren't
just fuzzy rumors anymore, at least according to some pretty
hih level people. Paul Hellier remember him, former Canadian Defense Minister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very credible source. Caused a stir. He spoke out,
huge stir.
Speaker 1: He was one of the first really high ranking officials
to go public. He confirmed live on air, quote, there
are live ets on Earth at this present time, and
at least two of them probably working with the United
States government.
Speaker 2: That's a bombshell statement from someone like him. And didn't
his interests start because of a UFO scare during the
Cold War? Thought there were Soviet planes.
Speaker 1: That's the story. A squadron of UFO is mistaken for
Soviet bombers. Huge security alert. The investigation that followed, Hellier
claimed concluded at least four different species had been visiting
Earth for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Four species. Wow? Who did he mention?
Speaker 1: He specifically talked about the grays, you know, short, big heads,
big eyes, the Nordic's very human looking ones and crucially
the tall whites.
Speaker 2: Okay, and thinking about the timing, the Cold War context,
the paranoia, the arms race, it makes a sort of
desperate sense, doesn't it. The fear of the Soviets getting
an edge or the sheer temptation of getting unimaginably advanced technology.
Maybe I could push a government to consider an alliance
that sounds completely crazy, even ethically questionable.
Speaker 1: Desperate times, desperate measures. Maybe the fear of a terrestrial
enemy or the lure of alien tech might have just
overridden everything else.
Speaker 2: It speaks to a really intense period in history. So
what were the supposed terms of this deal? Do we know?
Speaker 1: Well, the exact details are probably buried under mountains of
classification if they exist, but the best guess the terms
that are usually floated in these circles are pretty staggering.
Like what it's believed the US agreed to let the
aliens build bases here on Earth undisturbed, like a sovereign territory.
And this is the really controversial part, allow the abduction
of American citizens.
Speaker 2: What abductions?
Speaker 1: Seriously, Yeah, as long as the government got a list
of who was taken. In return, the US gets access
to alien technology.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a massive ethical line to cross, allowing abductions
even with a list. Yeah, what kind of trade off
is that? It raises huge questions about individual rights versus
supposed national security?
Speaker 1: It really does. What's a fair exchange when one side
has tech that could change the world and the other
controls the planet? Sort of the abduction part it suggests
either desperation or a really cold calculation on the government's part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what tech did the US want most?
Speaker 1: According to the sources, top of the list was anti
gravity advanced propulsion systems, the stuff that would really let
humanity break free travel the stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense, the ultimate prize. Did they get it?
Speaker 1: Allegedly? No, the aliens refused their reason humans were deemed
quote too violent and dangerous to be let out of
our cage.
Speaker 2: Our cage meaning Earth. Wow.
Speaker 1: That's harsh, pretty blunt assessment, isn't it? And it's funny
you look back at aerospace discussions in the early fifties,
anti gravity was hot topic, lots of theoretical talk. Then
suddenly poof classified vanished from public discussion.
Speaker 2: Coincidence or maybe they did get something and it immediately
got locked down.
Speaker 1: That's the question, right, And what the implications of that
holding back tech that could revolutionize space travel, keeping humanity
penned in, and what happens if we ever break out
of that cage on our own? It's a chilling thought,
one species judging another like.
Speaker 2: That, It really is. On what grounds do they make
that call our history of war, our environmental track record?
Maybe from their eight hundred year perspective, our short violent
history looks incredibly reckless. But okay, so they refused anti
graph and propulsion. Did the US get anything? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Despite that big refusal, the US allegedly did get
help with other stuff, a lot of stuff actually, leading
to what some people call the Great leap in human technology.
Speaker 2: The Great leap?
Speaker 1: Okay, Like, think about titanium discovered way back in seventeen
ninety one, right, super strong, super light metal, but incredibly
hard to work with, expensive.
Speaker 2: To produce, difficult material.
Speaker 1: Then suddenly, in the nineteen fifties it starts showing up
everywhere in cutting edge military aviation. The F one hundred
super saberjet, the Revolutionary lock hey Day twelve, the precursor
to the SR seventy one, blackbird flying at Mock three,
plus stealth aircraft development, all heavily reliant on titanium. How
do we suddenly master this difficult, expensive metal so quickly,
right when we needed it for supersonic flight?
Speaker 2: It's a good question. The timing is convenient. What else?
Speaker 1: Transistors, allegedly alien tech allowed everything electronic to shrink dramatically,
paved the way for the entire digital age. Lasers popped
up in nineteen fifty eight, changed medicine, communications everything, same
year fiber optics and the big one, the microchip.
Speaker 2: All in fifty eight.
Speaker 1: That followed the next year in nineteen fifty nine by
the integrated circuit.
Speaker 2: The sheer speed of that and stagger it you put
it propective eni ass The first big computer in forty
seven weighed thirty tons, filled a room, eighteen thousand vacuum tubes,
right a monster. Eleven years later, nineteen fifty eight, you're
talking about putting all that computing power essentially onto a
single chip. That's not just progress. That's like a quantum leap,
an exponential jump in less than a decade.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Is that just human genius suddenly exploding everywhere at once?
Or does the sheer scale of that leap, that sudden
miniaturization and complexity. Hint at maybe it outside push.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder these technologies didn't just tweak things,
They fundamentally reshape society. The digital revolution, modern comms, advanced defense,
our connected world, it all flows from that period. It's
almost too fast, too revolutionary to seem purely coincidental.
Speaker 1: And the list goes on. Source of suggest other tech
came from this deal too, either gifted directly or reverse
engineered with help, things like the basic principles behind satellites,
early wireless communication, UAVs onman drones right now they're everywhere,
even night vision technology.
Speaker 2: It's like a checklist of foundational modern tech cornerstones of
military power in everyday life. It paints this picture where, yeah,
maybe we didn't get the keys to the galaxy of
the starfaring stuff.
Speaker 1: Right kept in the cage.
Speaker 2: But humanity still got this incredible, almost unbelievable technological boost
changed our entire trajectory in ways we might not even
fully grasp.
Speaker 1: So. Charles Hall, having kind of accidentally earned the trust
of these tall whites with that act of kindness helping
Kyle over time, he apparently got to see some of
this amazing technology up close. He even saw one of
their scout ships.
Speaker 2: Okay, what did it look like?
Speaker 1: And this description, it might sound really familiar to anyone
who follows UFO reports. He said it was roughly the
size of a bus, elliptical shape, white.
Speaker 2: Color, bus size, the elliptical white. Okay, yeah, that rings
a bell. The tic tac UFOs everyone.
Speaker 1: Talks about exactly. And here's another weird detail. He mentioned
they had this limitation they could only land on Earth
during a full moon.
Speaker 2: Full moon landings. That's specific why.
Speaker 1: He didn't know why, just that it was a rule
for them. But that whole description, the size, shape, color,
even the weird operational quirk, it really echoes these sightings
that have puzzled people for years.
Speaker 2: It really does. It's where the public fascination with UAPs
with tic TACs seems to directly connect with Charles Hall's
personal account. It doesn't prove that Tall Whites exist, maybe,
but it adds this weird layer of corroboration about the
craft themselves, that something matching that description is out there.
Speaker 1: But then comes the really mind blowing twist. Something Charles
learned from the Tall Whites during his time with them,
a twist that, if it's true, just completely reframes the
whole UFO debate. Okay, what is it those scout crafts,
the bus sized, white elliptical ones, the kick tacks. Yeah,
according to Charles, they aren't alien at all.
Speaker 2: Wait, what not alien?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: What are they?
Speaker 1: They're built right here on Earth by government contractors companies
we all know, Boeing.
Speaker 2: Lockheed, built by Boeing and Lockheed.
Speaker 1: Seriously, that's what he claims he was told Lockheed skunk Works,
specifically their super secret Advanced Development program known for building
exotic classified aircraft. They're implicated.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, that completely turns the narrative upside down.
If that's true, it means what we think are alien
ships might actually be human build craft using alien ti
or designs. Maybe from that deal.
Speaker 1: That's the implication.
Speaker 2: So the debate shifts, right, it's not just our aliens
visiting us. It becomes how deep is the collaboration between
human industry and non human intelligence, and how much of
what people are seeing in the sky is actually ours,
built in secret, maybe using tech we weren't supposed to have,
or at least that the public doesn't know.
Speaker 1: About exactly. Maybe the mystery is an entirely extraterrestrial maybe
a big part of it is domestic, hidden right under
our noses.
Speaker 2: Wow, built by lockeed. That's a bombshell, And it leads
to this kind of well, frankly unflattering view of humanity's
role in this whole cosmic setup, at least from the
perspective of some military people who were supposedly in the know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. According to the sources, a lot of the military
folks believe the tall Whites just use Earth as basically
a pit stop, a truck stop quote unquote, or a
refueling station in the middle of.
Speaker 2: The Solar System, a truck stop ouch.
Speaker 1: Reasons, given Earth's got lots of raw materials. They need
to embrace yourself. It happens to have smart little who
can make somewhat decent vehicles, little apes.
Speaker 2: Oh that's rough. A pretty cynical utilitarian view of us.
Speaker 1: Tells you how they might see us. Right, We're useful
for our manufacturing skills and our planet's resources. Not exactly equals.
Speaker 2: It highlights that potential dynamic, doesn't it resource extraction Viewing
a less developed species purely pragmatically. Charles Hall did learn though,
that the real Tall White ships, the ones for star travel,
they're different, huge black triangular ships made of titanium, way
bigger and more advanced than the little scoutcraft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tic TACs are just their local runabouts basically
for flying around within a solar system. The triangles are
the interstellar cruisers.
Speaker 2: Okay. And while the Toll Whites are overseeing our tech development,
giving us these leaps, they specifically held back the most
important stuff, right, no light speed, no anti gravity for
our own ships, still keeping us in the cage.
Speaker 1: Still deciding we're not ready for that kind of power
freedom yet. Get this, sources say high ranking US military
brass generals, admirals, they've actually been taken on tours on
the Tall White ships, seeing the Solar system up close.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Solar system tours for generals. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently seeing all that, the American generals got ambitious,
wanted to expand human operations out to other planets, stake
our claim.
Speaker 2: And the Tall Whites said.
Speaker 1: Same answer, Nope, humans aren't ready yet, not ready to
leave the nest.
Speaker 2: That whole concept of readiness from their perspective, it's fascinating
and kind of paternalistic, isn't it? What's the criteria? Tech level,
social maturity, our tendency to fight our environmental mess?
Speaker 1: Who knows it?
Speaker 2: Presents this picture of a possible human future in space,
but one that's totally controlled. Our destiny isn't our own?
It depends on getting approval from this older, more powerful species.
Charles Hall, though, despite all that, he seemed to believe
there was real trade happening, a two way street, and
that the Tall Whites would eventually let us move out
inhabit other worlds when they decided we were finally.
Speaker 1: Ready a complex relationship, guardianship, maybe for better or worse.
So if this is all happening, what did the Tall
Whites actually want with Charles Hall? Just some random airman
first class? If they're dealing with generals and presidents, why him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What was his specific purpose in their eyes?
Speaker 1: The answer is kind of simple but also profound. Charles
was part of an experiment. He was a chosen subject.
He was being studied, especially by that woman he helped,
the mother of the child, the one he came to
call the teacher.
Speaker 2: Ah, the teacher. So it was about learning, mutual learning exactly.
Speaker 1: It became this unique intimate exchange. The teacher taught Charles
all about her people, their biology, their long lives, their culture,
their tech, how they thought, and in return, Charles, just
by being himself, taught her about humans.
Speaker 2: Without even knowing he was teaching.
Speaker 1: Probably right, Our quirks are crazy, emotions are illogical ways sometimes,
but also our compassion or capacity for good and bad.
He became, as he put it, the teacher's pet, a
kind of living bridge between two totally different species that.
Speaker 2: Goes way beyond just observation, doesn't it It suggests real
curiosity on their part, a mutual exchange. Yeah, what can
we possibly teach a species that centuries ahead of us technologically?
Maybe about raw humanity, adaptability, resilience, love, things tech can't replicate.
Speaker 1: Could be in this relationship. Charles said, it became deeply
emotional with the tall Whites. Despite them always having those
stunner pens, he felt he was never actually in danger
around them.
Speaker 2: Wow, that speaks volumes about the bond he formed, right,
especially with the teacher, Empathy crossing the species barrier, feeling understood,
maybe even valued by these alien beings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but imagine the psychological weight of that. Forming such
a close bond with non humans. It would mess with
your head right, blur the lines of who you are,
change your whole view of the world.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, to have that kind of connection, that profound understanding
and then have it just end, that would leave a mark,
a life defining experience you could probably never truly share
with anyone.
Speaker 1: And it did end abruptly. Charles's whole incredible life changing experience.
It lasted just two years, in tense years, nineteen sixty
five to nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: Seven, only two years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Then in sixty seven, Bam orders change. He's deployed to Vietnam,
thrown right back into the brutal reality of human war.
Speaker 1: Talk about whiplash from consorting with aliens to the jungles
of Vietnam.
Speaker 2: Seriously, and he never saw the Tall Whites again, never.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Carried that secret, that unbelievable reality, that deep personal connection
with him for almost forty years, forty years of silence,
before he finally decided okay, time to tell the story,
release his book starting in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Forty years. Just imagine carrying that weight, the conflict inside,
knowing this incredible truth or what you believe to be true,
but knowing the ridicule, the disbelief, the professional risk if
you speak out, What finally makes someone break that silence
after so long?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a sense of duty, a need to
share something you think is fundamentally important about our place
in the universe, no matter the personal cost. It takes
incredible conviction, it really does.
Speaker 2: And when he finally did decide to publish, it wasn't easy.
He wrote his first book, Millennial Hospitality, tried to get
it published in two thousand and two. No traditional publisher
would touch it.
Speaker 1: Too weird, too unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Exactly, too out there, too risky, which ironically was probably
a mistake on their part because he's self published and
the book took off, became this unexpected hit, led to
two more books pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Wow, grassroots success.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then he started doing the rounds you know, UFO conventions,
book signings, TV interviews. He was even on Coast to
Coast with George Norri back in two thousand and five,
sharing his story with a huge audience that was eager
to hear it.
Speaker 1: That journey itself is fascinating, right from this deeply personal
secret to public phenomenon. Why do stories like his sometimes
bypass the usual gatekeepers and just resonate with people. Yeah,
why maybe it taps into that underlying feeling a lot
of people have that there's more going on than we're told,
that desire to believe in something bigger, something extraordinary. Of course,
that attention also brings out the intense skeptics trying to
debunk him, and the passionate believers trying to prove him right.
And that's where the hunt for proof really starts, trying
to sort fact from fiction in a story this wild. Because,
let's be honest, Charles's story relies heavily on his word,
his conviction, but supporters point to these three other witnesses,
unnamed witnesses known only as A, B and c AH.
Speaker 2: The anonymous source is.
Speaker 1: Always tricky, right, They allegedly confirmed parts of his story,
claimed similar experiences, but without names, you can't really verify
it independently. It's intriguing, sure, having multiple accounts, but it's
not solid proof exactly.
Speaker 2: Corroboration is tough with anonymous claims. But then there's the
research by David Hilton. You mentioned em earlier, the historian
and anthropologist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Hilton's work is maybe the most compelling external stuff.
He got really interested in hall story and decided to
use modern tools to try and find physical traces. His
specific goal locate Charles's old weather stations out on those
bombing ranges.
Speaker 2: Using maps and satellite imagery exactly.
Speaker 1: And he found this key photo, an official military aerial
photo of Creech Air Force Base down in Indian Springs.
It clearly showed range one to three and crucially ranged
four Harry's hood right, the tall white hotspot. Okay, what
was significant about the photo The markings on the photo
itself official looking labels, things like scoutcraft hangar, scoutcraft parking
and even resting in play area.
Speaker 2: Scoutcraft hangar, Yeah, marked on an official photo right.
Speaker 1: So, armed with that, and with Charles's description of the
scoutcraft elliptical white bus size landing at full moon, Hilton
starts scouring those exact locations using digital mapping tools like
Google Earth back.
Speaker 2: Then, and did he find anything?
Speaker 1: He found a stif that was remarkably consistent, images of
elliptical white objects about the size of a bus, sitting
near some kind of platform or structure in these remote
spots with no visible roads, no paths leading to them,
matching Charles's descriptions of the scoutcraft and their supposed recreational
areas almost perfectly.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's pretty compelling. Finding visual anomalies that matched
the description in the exact locations indicated by potentially classified markings. Yeah,
that's more than just coincidence.
Speaker 1: It feels like more. Yeah, and it got others excited too.
David and his online audience, they became like digital detectives
started meticulously scanning the maps all around those old bombing ranges.
David initially found eighteen separate sites that looked anomalous. Others
found more what kind of sites? Lots of clearly man
made structures or odd ground disturbances in the middle of nowhere,
again with no obvious way to get to them by
road or trail, nothing to explain why they were there
in these restricted zones.
Speaker 2: Hidden infrastructure basically seems like it.
Speaker 1: And here's the kicker that really fuels the speculation. Many
of those specific spots David Hilton and others identified later
got scrubbed from the public mapping services.
Speaker 2: Scrubbed like blurred out or removed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, okay, there could be legitimate security reasons for that,
updating imagery, whatever, but the timing after people started pointing
them out online. It definitely feeds the conspiracy theories, makes
it look like someone's trying to hide something.
Speaker 2: It certainly adds weight to the claim of hidden activity,
doesn't it. Whether it's related to tall whites or just
top secret military stuff. You wonder what else is hidden
out there, just waiting to be noticed then maybe erased.
And the lack of roads, the remoteness, it leads straight
to that big.
Speaker 1: Theory, right underground access Exactly.
Speaker 2: How else do you get to these isolated structures, which
immediately brings up the huge practical problem money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, building a massive tunnel network miles long deep
under a bombing range that would be insanely expensive, colossal
engineering feed you'd expect a massive paper trail, right, Spending
like that is hard to hide completely.
Speaker 2: You'd think, so billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: And this is where David Heldlton struck gold again. Digging
through old records, he found this article from January nineteen
fifty one, Las Vegas Review Journal headline Indian Springs project
key to defense plans.
Speaker 2: Okay, what did it say?
Speaker 1: It explicitly stated the project cost three hundred million dollars
in nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: Dollars three hundred million in nineteen fifty one, that's astronomical.
Speaker 1: What's thatt today with inflation easily three point six billion dollars,
maybe more comparable to building something like the Freedom Tower
in New York. A massive amount of money, and the
official purpose stated in the article housing and offices.
Speaker 2: Three point six billion dollars for housing and offices out
at the Indian Springs. That doesn't add up. You look
at the base now, there's nothing above ground that justifies
that kind of cost, not even close. So where did
the money go?
Speaker 1: Great question? The contract for this project official job number
twelve sixty seven Alternate test site Facilities, Las Vegas, Nevada
went to Mkey Construction in El Paso. Government contracts are
public record, So when the records for that specific.
Speaker 2: Job were checked, how much was it actually for?
Speaker 1: Officially recorded cost six hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Six hundred and eighty thousand, not three hundred million.
Speaker 1: Nop. So you've got a public announcement of a three
hundred million dollar project and an official record of less
than seven hundred dollars k being spent on that job number.
That leaves well, basically all of it two hundred and
ninety nine million dollars plus nineteen fifty one money almost
three point six billion dollars to day, completely unaccounted for.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's the smoking gun, isn't it, Or at
least a massive pluma smoke where a gun should.
Speaker 1: Be right, And the original newspaper article even said quote
the actual details of the program are cloaked in a
security blackout, very telling. Plus, locals who asked about work
on this huge project back then they were told the
military wasn't using any outside labor, implying a secret internal workforce.
Speaker 2: So the money vanished. It wasn't spent above ground, The
details were blacked out, no outside workers. The logical leap
isn't that big, is it?
Speaker 1: Where else could it go if not above ground? An
underground building, those tunnels, those hidden facilities.
Speaker 2: That financial discrepancy, more than almost anything else, shifts the focus.
It's not just about potentially speculative alien stories anymore. It
points towards real world government secrecy, black budgets operating on
a scale that's just staggering. What does that kind of
missing money, suggest about hidden operations deep within our own system.
For you listening, how do you react to finding a
gap like that in the public record? Yeah, billions just gaunt,
cloaked in silence. It really makes you wonder what else
is buried literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1: So, after this whole journey, this really deep dive into
Charles Hall's absolutely extraordinary story, we land back at that
big question do you believe it? Can you believe something
so unbelievable? Charles Hall's account of the Tall Whites. For
many in the UFO community, it's seen as one of
the most credible stories out there, aliens living and working
right alongside humans. But like almost all these stories, there's
no definitive physical proof. We can just point to no
piece of alien tech on display, no undisputed video. We
have the detailed, consistent word of Charles Hall himself, backed
up by some intriguing but still circumstantial external.
Speaker 2: Research, and evaluating claims like this is always tough, isn't it,
That balance between being open minded and being skeptical. Charles
Hall does sound sincere when he tells his story. You
feel his conviction and that's compelling.
Speaker 1: It draw you in it really does.
Speaker 2: But sincerity alone is in proof. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: History is full of sincere people who are mistaken or
misled or even outright hoaxing. And there's that one detail
to give some people pause. He initially published his books
as science fiction, millennial hospitality started his fiction. Only later
did he say no, this actually happened to me.
Speaker 1: Right. Supporters say, maybe that was just a tactic, a
way to get the story out when no one would
publish it as nonfiction, but skeptics definitely point to that
as a potential red flag. Why the change in framing.
Speaker 2: And those other three witnesses, A, B, and C again
intriguing that others might corroborate, but being anonymous it makes
independent verification basically impossible, which.
Speaker 1: Brings us to this other layer, a really modern, messy
layer disinformation. Remember that weird Forbes article from January twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Iran one headline was something like Iran
says tall white space aliens control America. Wild stuff, totally wild.
Speaker 1: It claimed the US is ruled by tall whites, deal
with Eisenhower in fifty four, basically echoing parts of Hall's story.
But then it went further, claiming that tall Whites helped
the Nazis rise to power in the thirties.
Speaker 2: And they attributed it to Edward Snowden.
Speaker 1: Didn't They said he linked it, which adds another layer
of craziness. But Forbes itself quickly concluded it was almost
certainly Russian disinformation planted via the Fars News agency, which
is basically run by the Iranian government.
Speaker 2: And that just shows you how complex this gets. Right,
you got the original story, the search for evidence, and
then suddenly geopolitical players are using elements of the narrative,
twisting it, maybe for their own information with warfare goals,
trying to sow distrust, confusion, maybe disco us institutions.
Speaker 1: It makes it so hard to untangle. How do you
sort out genuine claims from deliberate falsehoods designed to manipulate people,
Even if it's disinformation, Just putting those ideas out there
influences public perception, praise on existing anxieties about secret control.
Speaker 2: Which leads us right to that final enduring idea, the
shadow government. Regardless of whether you believe Charles Hall's specific
story about the Tall Whites is true, whether they exist
exactly as he described, there's this persistent, widespread belief. Isn't
there this deep suspicion about a secret regime, as shadow government,
pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it resonates with a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people and this alleged cabal who supposedly in it.
You hear the same names Council on Foreign Relations, Builder Birders,
Trilateral Commission, big international banks, oil cartels, intelligence agencies, certain
military factions.
Speaker 1: The usual suspects in these theories.
Speaker 2: Right, And the claim is their influence is huge, controlling
not just the US but much of the Western world.
And that's a powerful closing thought, isn't it. Forget aliens
for a second. Just the idea of powerful, unelected groups
secretly influencing global events. That's a potent concept on its own.
It speaks to our de seated questions about power, secrecy,
and who's really in charge.
Speaker 1: It really does. It taps into that feeling that maybe
the world doesn't quite work the way we're told it does,
that there are hidden forces at play.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a testament to the idea that maybe some
secrets are too big, too sensitive for the public, And
whether aliens are involved or not, there's always this sense
that there's more happening behind the curtain than we'll ever
truly know.
Speaker 1: And that wraps up our deep dive into this absolutely
extraordinary and frankly yeah, mind bending account from Charles Hall,
the alleged secret history of Nellis Air Force Base. We've
gone from chilling encounters in the desert night to profiling
these strange, long lived beings with incredible abilities. We've talked
about supposed secret deals, trading human rights for advanced tech,
hold the money trail, hinching at a hidden underground world
built with billions of missing dollars.
Speaker 2: We saw how just a quiet assignment could hide these
massive secrets, how a simple act of kindness could open
a door to something completely unknown, and how those sudden
bursts of technology in our own recent history might just
have an explanation that's well out of this world. We
also wrestled with how hard it is to prove claims
like this, anonymous witnesses, intriguing map coordinates, and even navigating
international disinformation that uses these very stories as tools.
Speaker 1: So as you think about this whole narrative, all these
layers of secrecy, technology and alleged alien contact, we want
to leave you with this challenge, what else might be hidden? Right?
Out in the open, just waiting for someone to connect
the right dots, What stories, what narratives do you maybe
accept as fact without really digging deeper?
Speaker 2: And if, just if even a small part of accounts
like these are true, how does that fundamentally change everything?
Our understanding of human progress, of national security are placed
in this huge Mysterei universe.
Speaker 1: The search for truth, no matter how strange or unsettling
it seems, is always a worthwhile deep dive. So keep
asking questions, keep looking past the surface level, and keep
exploring the fascinating, sometimes scary possibilities that our world and
maybe the universe beyond holds,