Speaker 1: Eddie Dragon, who's in New Mexico. And it's a privileged
Speaker 1: to have eddiean because he's independently wealthy. He doesn't need
Speaker 1: to do this. He owns his own radio station. He
Speaker 1: doesn't need this to get any more attention. He has
Speaker 1: plenty of attention.
Speaker 2: And yet he.
Speaker 1: Travels to places like Utah. There's nothing there, and he
Speaker 1: goes to places like he lives in New Mexico. Moments
Speaker 1: Moments from Jeffrey Epstein's Zoro Ranch oddly uninvestigated by our government. Eddie,
Speaker 1: how are you doing tonight, Walter.
Speaker 2: I'm fine and I'm enjoying the program. I just returned
Speaker 2: from Utah. There is a lot there. There is actually
Speaker 2: quite a bit going on in Solid Lake City.
Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Did he you know? I didn't think it was that big,
Speaker 2: but it's about sixty miles and I went from Hill
Speaker 2: Air Force Base where the Minuteman missiles are manufactured for
Speaker 2: our nation's defense. There. I have a friend who's a
Speaker 2: colonel there, top secret by the way, and it's just
Speaker 2: a fascinating place. The industry that they have, their defense industry.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, you know the LDS is there, that
Speaker 2: is the Latter day Saints. Do you know, Walter, that
Speaker 2: is also going to be a trillion dollar religious organization
Speaker 2: within the next five years. I thought that was just,
Speaker 2: you know, unfathomable.
Speaker 1: And well, they have tithing, you see that. That's where
Speaker 1: they're smart. Unlike the Catholics of the Episcopalians, they have tithing.
Speaker 1: You want to be a member of the Church of
Speaker 1: Ladder Day States, you're going to give up twenty percent
Speaker 1: of your income.
Speaker 2: Is it twenty percent? Yes? Is it double double? I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: You know, the Mormons, and you have to have a
Speaker 1: haircut like an Osmond. Your hair looks has to look
Speaker 1: like Donnie Osmond's.
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, I saw the Donny and Marie Osmond's old
Speaker 2: stomping grounds in orem Utah and their old studio. Actually
Speaker 2: walked inside their old studio. Unbelievable. You know, they are
Speaker 2: sort of a force of entertainment nature from the seventies
Speaker 2: in the early eighties.
Speaker 1: But well, Donna Donnie was very successful and smart, and
Speaker 1: they were actually one of the few entertainment groups that
Speaker 1: raised their own stock that went public. You could buy
Speaker 1: stock in their company.
Speaker 2: I did not know that that's that's also fascinating.
Speaker 1: And that's how they bought That's how they built that studio.
Speaker 1: They were able to raise money through the markets.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a Mormon as a business partner
Speaker 2: when I did commercial real estate, and I found out,
Speaker 2: you know, they are fantastic business people. They really just know,
Speaker 2: very trustworthy, very but once you stop working with them
Speaker 2: the Mormon way of doing business, you find yourself on
Speaker 2: the outside. Also, it is also very unique about the
Speaker 2: Mormon religion. They also have a abnormally large share of
Speaker 2: employment within the Three letter agencies, namely the CIA and
Speaker 2: the FBI in the United States. Mormons gravitate towards those
Speaker 2: types of jobs, believe it or not, so well.
Speaker 1: They know how to russ.
Speaker 2: Or not dress. You won't find any of them having
Speaker 2: fancy watches or fancy shoes. They really pride themselves on
Speaker 2: having the six month food stuff basement, and they oftentimes
Speaker 2: brag about that, and they also brag about how much
Speaker 2: hew thrifty they are and how often they double coupon
Speaker 2: and grocery store coupon. They literally have contests about it.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating place. In fact, the twenty thirty four
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics are going to be there, Walter, and they
Speaker 2: happen to go to the number one ski resort on
Speaker 2: the other side. Took a gondolis at the top. Checked
Speaker 2: it out. Very fascinating in that everyone is just in
Speaker 2: love with, you know, nature. Everyone's hiking, everyone's biking. There's
Speaker 2: a little town just outside on the backside of the
Speaker 2: mountain called Huntsville and it's the quenest, cutest little town
Speaker 2: you ever did see. And yeah, there's a lot going
Speaker 2: on in the old Salt Lake City in that area.
Speaker 2: It is a truly breasttaking I want to say, it's
Speaker 2: one of the more beautiful city than I've seen, Walter.
Speaker 2: So if you haven't been to Utah, it's not that
Speaker 2: there isn't anything there, it's just that you have not
Speaker 2: been there.
Speaker 1: Well I've seen. I've been to Salt Lake City and
Speaker 1: it's a spooky place. And it's partly I realize just
Speaker 1: now because of what you said, which is that they
Speaker 1: had no geographic challenges in building out the city. They
Speaker 1: didn't have to build a downtown and up. They could
Speaker 1: just keep spreading out and as a results, it's a
Speaker 1: sixteenth it's a sixty mile suburb.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, no, I think you've nailed it. I think
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I saw I was there. It just
Speaker 2: keeps going and going and going, much like Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 2: where exactly also has a huge presence. It's just like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're just going to keep building it. Mexico City, by
Speaker 2: the way, internationally is a lot like that. However, they
Speaker 2: don't roll out the infrastructure before they do it. After
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say about Salt Lake City. I stayed
Speaker 2: in a hotel that was there, as you do, and
Speaker 2: there's abnormally large Mexican population in those hotels because there's
Speaker 2: so much construction. There's so much construction. They're all there
Speaker 2: and they're building out what continues to be Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: It's a very by the way, one of the top
Speaker 2: three states in terms of quality of life, and I
Speaker 2: think Salt Lake is at the very top of cities
Speaker 2: over you know, one million about one point one point
Speaker 2: nine million in the NY the Metropolitan Statistical Er.
Speaker 1: Thank you for this travelogue. Now what do you have
Speaker 1: to report?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What updates do you have for us?
Speaker 2: Well, I happen to be catching Netflix and the Idaho murders,
Speaker 2: and you have been getting me to watch more Netflix,
Speaker 2: and it's something that we do. You know, you you've
Speaker 2: you've passed us the Midnight Misfits with going out and
Speaker 2: entertaining ourselves with your recommendations. But I couldn't help but
Speaker 2: get away to the Idaho murders. That's recent. It's fascinating,
Speaker 2: and you know, Brian Koberger basically was taken out because
Speaker 2: of a q kip that the FBI went rummaging through
Speaker 2: once they made the determination off of a small, slight
Speaker 2: thing off of that night sheet. And I got to
Speaker 2: thinking about the unsolved mysteries and the unsolved murderers here
Speaker 2: in New Mexico. But more than that, there's a big
Speaker 2: one in New York. That's right, Rochester. Ten years ago, Walter,
Speaker 2: four people murdered a house deliberately set on fire, and
Speaker 2: a decade later, the families of Michael Royal, Jennifer Leisure,
Speaker 2: Lechelle Powell, and Michael Adams are still asking the same question,
Speaker 2: who did it and why? So this is in Rochester's
Speaker 2: New York. Okay, it's the most horrifying unsolved homicide case
Speaker 2: in New York, the Leyton Avenue quadruple murder. And it
Speaker 2: was not simply a fire. It was a crime scene
Speaker 2: that investigators say was deliberately burned after four human beings
Speaker 2: were bound and killed inside. And even now with this
Speaker 2: now renewed investigative activity that they have, there have been
Speaker 2: no arrests, no public naming of suspects, no resolution for
Speaker 2: the people left behind. Back in twenty sixteen, in January,
Speaker 2: firefighters responded to a burning home on Leyton Avenue. What
Speaker 2: they discovered in the attic transformed a fire call into
Speaker 2: a major crimes nightmare for Rochester police. Four victims found
Speaker 2: dead Michael Royal twenty eight years old, Jennifer Leisure twenty nine,
Speaker 2: Lachelle Powell twenty two, forty five year old Michael Adams
Speaker 2: now Rochester. Investigators said the victim's wrists and ankles were bound.
Speaker 2: All four had been shot in the head. The house
Speaker 2: set ablaze, so reporting through the years has provided a
Speaker 2: very groom picture about this, no leads, nothing. The victims
Speaker 2: had been bound with duct tape. News ten, NBC and
Speaker 2: Rochester reported that their mouths had been covered as well.
Speaker 2: The mother, Mary Royal's mother returned to the home, discovered
Speaker 2: the fire, then called nine to one one. Then firefighters
Speaker 2: found all four victims guess where in the attic they
Speaker 2: had time the family dog, Jack's dad as well. The
Speaker 2: victims were not abstractions in a police file. Royle was
Speaker 2: Mary Royal Stun who was reportedly working, who was becoming
Speaker 2: a dental hygienist. Jennifer Leger was his fiance. Powell was remembered,
Speaker 2: you know, by her mother Glover as someone who would
Speaker 2: give you the shirt, offer back good people, right. And
Speaker 2: then Michael Adams is a forty five year old Rochester
Speaker 2: residence whose life ended alongside the other three. Now, a
Speaker 2: vehicle was held shortly right after those killings, and Rochester
Speaker 2: has been mourning those lives for the last ten years.
Speaker 2: And the largest single act of unsolved violence in New
Speaker 2: York currently, the immediate question is obvious, was this a
Speaker 2: targeted attack? Investigators have never identified the intended target if
Speaker 2: there was only one. In twenty nineteen, police investigator John
Speaker 2: Brennan said detectives did not know the motive and did
Speaker 2: not know for certain which victim if anyone individual was
Speaker 2: the target, They can't find any background on what would
Speaker 2: have driven so by that point the investigators have pursued
Speaker 2: already hundreds of leads without finding a single connection that
Speaker 2: produced an arrestable suspect. And that detail is really important
Speaker 2: because as I was looking at the coburger, that got solved,
Speaker 2: but this isn't solved ten years later. The responsible standard
Speaker 2: in all of this is to separate how the law
Speaker 2: enforcement has stated versus what people are speculating about, and
Speaker 2: people don't have anything to speculate on. The public facts
Speaker 2: are very evident. Four people killed inside that residence, bound
Speaker 2: shot back of the head, and a fire used to
Speaker 2: kind of create a cover, no motive, so that winter
Speaker 2: weather in January also worked against the investigators. At the time,
Speaker 2: the local Democrat reported that the conditions meant few people
Speaker 2: were outside to even notice any of the activity. There's
Speaker 2: no third party witnesses, unfamiliar vehicles, not noted people coming
Speaker 2: and going. They said. It is said that, based on
Speaker 2: the fact that they were in the attict, that they
Speaker 2: had to be in there doing this murder for at
Speaker 2: least a couple of hours. The Texas believe that the
Speaker 2: perpetrators had spent several hours in fact inside that house.
Speaker 2: They suggested the planning, control of the scene, and their
Speaker 2: level of confidence raising confidence made the lack of public
Speaker 2: break through all the more unsettling. So there's a reward
Speaker 2: in all of this. The only fifteen thousand dollars at
Speaker 2: app has come forward. But it's worth remembering what time
Speaker 2: does to these cold cases. The relationships have changed, the
Speaker 2: loyalties have change, and ten years later New York's biggest
Speaker 2: unsolved mass murder. That is a latent avenue murders. And
Speaker 2: if you know anything about have any information, have any ideas,
Speaker 2: you could report it to the Rochester Police five A
Speaker 2: five four two eight seventy one fifty seven. I'm just
Speaker 2: getting into this, Walter. I didn't know this even existed,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking at unsolved murders in different places. We
Speaker 2: have one. I'll cover that tomorrow from here in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: I think that's a video murder.
Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent course for you to pursue
Speaker 1: our unsolved murders. Those are the most dramatic and terrifying
Speaker 1: mysteries of our time. Eddie Dragon, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for being on the other side of midnight.