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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Dragon, who's in New Mexico. And it's a privileged

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<v Speaker 1>to have eddiean because he's independently wealthy. He doesn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. He owns his own radio station. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need this to get any more attention. He has

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of attention.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet he.

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<v Speaker 1>Travels to places like Utah. There's nothing there, and he

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<v Speaker 1>goes to places like he lives in New Mexico. Moments

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<v Speaker 1>Moments from Jeffrey Epstein's Zoro Ranch oddly uninvestigated by our government. Eddie,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing tonight, Walter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine and I'm enjoying the program. I just returned

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<v Speaker 2>from Utah. There is a lot there. There is actually

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit going on in Solid Lake City.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he you know? I didn't think it was that big,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's about sixty miles and I went from Hill

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force Base where the Minuteman missiles are manufactured for

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<v Speaker 2>our nation's defense. There. I have a friend who's a

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<v Speaker 2>colonel there, top secret by the way, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a fascinating place. The industry that they have, their defense industry.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, obviously, you know the LDS is there, that

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<v Speaker 2>is the Latter day Saints. Do you know, Walter, that

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<v Speaker 2>is also going to be a trillion dollar religious organization

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<v Speaker 2>within the next five years. I thought that was just,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, they have tithing, you see that. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>they're smart. Unlike the Catholics of the Episcopalians, they have tithing.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be a member of the Church of

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<v Speaker 1>Ladder Day States, you're going to give up twenty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of your income.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it twenty percent? Yes? Is it double double? I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the Mormons, and you have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>haircut like an Osmond. Your hair looks has to look

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<v Speaker 1>like Donnie Osmond's.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly enough, I saw the Donny and Marie Osmond's old

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<v Speaker 2>stomping grounds in orem Utah and their old studio. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>walked inside their old studio. Unbelievable. You know, they are

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a force of entertainment nature from the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>in the early eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, Donna Donnie was very successful and smart, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were actually one of the few entertainment groups that

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<v Speaker 1>raised their own stock that went public. You could buy

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<v Speaker 1>stock in their company.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that that's that's also fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how they bought That's how they built that studio.

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<v Speaker 1>They were able to raise money through the markets.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had a Mormon as a business partner

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<v Speaker 2>when I did commercial real estate, and I found out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they are fantastic business people. They really just know,

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<v Speaker 2>very trustworthy, very but once you stop working with them

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<v Speaker 2>the Mormon way of doing business, you find yourself on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside. Also, it is also very unique about the

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<v Speaker 2>Mormon religion. They also have a abnormally large share of

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<v Speaker 2>employment within the Three letter agencies, namely the CIA and

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI in the United States. Mormons gravitate towards those

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<v Speaker 2>types of jobs, believe it or not, so well.

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<v Speaker 1>They know how to russ.

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<v Speaker 2>Or not dress. You won't find any of them having

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<v Speaker 2>fancy watches or fancy shoes. They really pride themselves on

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<v Speaker 2>having the six month food stuff basement, and they oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>brag about that, and they also brag about how much

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<v Speaker 2>hew thrifty they are and how often they double coupon

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<v Speaker 2>and grocery store coupon. They literally have contests about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating place. In fact, the twenty thirty four

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<v Speaker 2>Winter Olympics are going to be there, Walter, and they

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<v Speaker 2>happen to go to the number one ski resort on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side. Took a gondolis at the top. Checked

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<v Speaker 2>it out. Very fascinating in that everyone is just in

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<v Speaker 2>love with, you know, nature. Everyone's hiking, everyone's biking. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a little town just outside on the backside of the

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<v Speaker 2>mountain called Huntsville and it's the quenest, cutest little town

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<v Speaker 2>you ever did see. And yeah, there's a lot going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the old Salt Lake City in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a truly breasttaking I want to say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the more beautiful city than I've seen, Walter.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you haven't been to Utah, it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't anything there, it's just that you have not

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<v Speaker 2>been there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I've seen. I've been to Salt Lake City and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a spooky place. And it's partly I realize just

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<v Speaker 1>now because of what you said, which is that they

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<v Speaker 1>had no geographic challenges in building out the city. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to build a downtown and up. They could

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<v Speaker 1>just keep spreading out and as a results, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth it's a sixty mile suburb.

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, no, I think you've nailed it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what I saw I was there. It just

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<v Speaker 2>keeps going and going and going, much like Phoenix, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>where exactly also has a huge presence. It's just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to keep building it. Mexico City, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, internationally is a lot like that. However, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't roll out the infrastructure before they do it. After

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I'll say about Salt Lake City. I stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in a hotel that was there, as you do, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's abnormally large Mexican population in those hotels because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much construction. There's so much construction. They're all there

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<v Speaker 2>and they're building out what continues to be Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very by the way, one of the top

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<v Speaker 2>three states in terms of quality of life, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think Salt Lake is at the very top of cities

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<v Speaker 2>over you know, one million about one point one point

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<v Speaker 2>nine million in the NY the Metropolitan Statistical Er.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for this travelogue. Now what do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to report?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What updates do you have for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I happen to be catching Netflix and the Idaho murders,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have been getting me to watch more Netflix,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's something that we do. You know, you you've

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<v Speaker 2>you've passed us the Midnight Misfits with going out and

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining ourselves with your recommendations. But I couldn't help but

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<v Speaker 2>get away to the Idaho murders. That's recent. It's fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Brian Koberger basically was taken out because

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<v Speaker 2>of a q kip that the FBI went rummaging through

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<v Speaker 2>once they made the determination off of a small, slight

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<v Speaker 2>thing off of that night sheet. And I got to

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about the unsolved mysteries and the unsolved murderers here

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<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico. But more than that, there's a big

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<v Speaker 2>one in New York. That's right, Rochester. Ten years ago, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>four people murdered a house deliberately set on fire, and

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<v Speaker 2>a decade later, the families of Michael Royal, Jennifer Leisure,

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<v Speaker 2>Lechelle Powell, and Michael Adams are still asking the same question,

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<v Speaker 2>who did it and why? So this is in Rochester's

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<v Speaker 2>New York. Okay, it's the most horrifying unsolved homicide case

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<v Speaker 2>in New York, the Leyton Avenue quadruple murder. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was not simply a fire. It was a crime scene

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<v Speaker 2>that investigators say was deliberately burned after four human beings

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<v Speaker 2>were bound and killed inside. And even now with this

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<v Speaker 2>now renewed investigative activity that they have, there have been

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<v Speaker 2>no arrests, no public naming of suspects, no resolution for

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<v Speaker 2>the people left behind. Back in twenty sixteen, in January,

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<v Speaker 2>firefighters responded to a burning home on Leyton Avenue. What

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<v Speaker 2>they discovered in the attic transformed a fire call into

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<v Speaker 2>a major crimes nightmare for Rochester police. Four victims found

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<v Speaker 2>dead Michael Royal twenty eight years old, Jennifer Leisure twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Lachelle Powell twenty two, forty five year old Michael Adams

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<v Speaker 2>now Rochester. Investigators said the victim's wrists and ankles were bound.

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<v Speaker 2>All four had been shot in the head. The house

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<v Speaker 2>set ablaze, so reporting through the years has provided a

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<v Speaker 2>very groom picture about this, no leads, nothing. The victims

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<v Speaker 2>had been bound with duct tape. News ten, NBC and

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<v Speaker 2>Rochester reported that their mouths had been covered as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The mother, Mary Royal's mother returned to the home, discovered

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<v Speaker 2>the fire, then called nine to one one. Then firefighters

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<v Speaker 2>found all four victims guess where in the attic they

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<v Speaker 2>had time the family dog, Jack's dad as well. The

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<v Speaker 2>victims were not abstractions in a police file. Royle was

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Royal Stun who was reportedly working, who was becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a dental hygienist. Jennifer Leger was his fiance. Powell was remembered,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by her mother Glover as someone who would

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<v Speaker 2>give you the shirt, offer back good people, right. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Michael Adams is a forty five year old Rochester

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<v Speaker 2>residence whose life ended alongside the other three. Now, a

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle was held shortly right after those killings, and Rochester

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<v Speaker 2>has been mourning those lives for the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>And the largest single act of unsolved violence in New

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<v Speaker 2>York currently, the immediate question is obvious, was this a

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<v Speaker 2>targeted attack? Investigators have never identified the intended target if

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<v Speaker 2>there was only one. In twenty nineteen, police investigator John

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<v Speaker 2>Brennan said detectives did not know the motive and did

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<v Speaker 2>not know for certain which victim if anyone individual was

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<v Speaker 2>the target, They can't find any background on what would

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<v Speaker 2>have driven so by that point the investigators have pursued

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<v Speaker 2>already hundreds of leads without finding a single connection that

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<v Speaker 2>produced an arrestable suspect. And that detail is really important

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<v Speaker 2>because as I was looking at the coburger, that got solved,

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<v Speaker 2>but this isn't solved ten years later. The responsible standard

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<v Speaker 2>in all of this is to separate how the law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement has stated versus what people are speculating about, and

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<v Speaker 2>people don't have anything to speculate on. The public facts

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<v Speaker 2>are very evident. Four people killed inside that residence, bound

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<v Speaker 2>shot back of the head, and a fire used to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of create a cover, no motive, so that winter

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<v Speaker 2>weather in January also worked against the investigators. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>the local Democrat reported that the conditions meant few people

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<v Speaker 2>were outside to even notice any of the activity. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no third party witnesses, unfamiliar vehicles, not noted people coming

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<v Speaker 2>and going. They said. It is said that, based on

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they were in the attict, that they

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<v Speaker 2>had to be in there doing this murder for at

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<v Speaker 2>least a couple of hours. The Texas believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrators had spent several hours in fact inside that house.

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<v Speaker 2>They suggested the planning, control of the scene, and their

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<v Speaker 2>level of confidence raising confidence made the lack of public

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<v Speaker 2>break through all the more unsettling. So there's a reward

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<v Speaker 2>in all of this. The only fifteen thousand dollars at

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<v Speaker 2>app has come forward. But it's worth remembering what time

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<v Speaker 2>does to these cold cases. The relationships have changed, the

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<v Speaker 2>loyalties have change, and ten years later New York's biggest

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved mass murder. That is a latent avenue murders. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you know anything about have any information, have any ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>you could report it to the Rochester Police five A

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<v Speaker 2>five four two eight seventy one fifty seven. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>getting into this, Walter. I didn't know this even existed,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm looking at unsolved murders in different places. We

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<v Speaker 2>have one. I'll cover that tomorrow from here in New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a video murder.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's an excellent course for you to pursue

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<v Speaker 1>our unsolved murders. Those are the most dramatic and terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries of our time. Eddie Dragon, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for being on the other side of midnight.