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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with Mick Molroy. I'm Dmitri con tacos uh

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of housekeeping. Nick's got a new podcast

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<v Speaker 1>called The Pub and the Porch Applied Stoicism. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>all about stoicism. Has got a great co host to

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Pearcy. I listen to that pod every week. Check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. It comes out on Mondays right Yes, videos

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<v Speaker 1>comer soon as well. You can grab it anywhere Apple, Spotify,

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<v Speaker 1>or anywhere else you listen to podcasts. I'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>link in the description as well, so check it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Make a lot happening. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to attack inside Venezuela. I'm still trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why we're doing this. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the American people are really interesting in

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<v Speaker 1>like another war. Just a little bit of a context.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia voice support for Venezuela. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 1>that means, Like, what can they even do? Maduro ask

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<v Speaker 1>for help from allies quote unquote China, Russia and Iran

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<v Speaker 1>requested defensive radars, aircraft repairs and possibly missiles and parenthesiz

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<v Speaker 1>is too little, too late. Probably should have asked for

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<v Speaker 1>this a couple of months ago. A lot of US

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<v Speaker 1>hardware in the Caribbean. I'm gonna put in like a

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<v Speaker 1>little graphic. I think that Reuters did that like shows

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<v Speaker 1>like everything that's going on down there, and it's a ton.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was asked about it, I think on the way

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<v Speaker 1>back from the China summit or the Asia, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his Asia tour. Trump denied it as a fake story.

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<v Speaker 1>Sets the same thing before we hit the Iranian nuclear sites.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, take that for what it's worth. And

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<v Speaker 1>a little fun fact, this is the largest build up

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<v Speaker 1>unrelated to the disaster release since nineteen ninety four, when

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<v Speaker 1>we had two aircraft carriers and twenty thousand troops deployed

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<v Speaker 1>to Haiti for Operation Uphold Democracy. So, Mick, you like

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<v Speaker 1>that little fun fact. It's not really a fun fact,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, but it's kind of shitty fact. But

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<v Speaker 1>what do you make of this?

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<v Speaker 2>So d I mean, we've been talking about this a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times. One thing I think most analysts would

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<v Speaker 2>say is this is obviously far more than what's needed

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<v Speaker 2>to just strike boat, taking elicit narcotics in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States right, not that they can't do that, but they

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<v Speaker 2>certainly don't need They were at eight warships now, which

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<v Speaker 2>includes several destroyers, cruisers, an amphibious ready group with a

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<v Speaker 2>marine expeditionary unit, several squadrons being pushed to Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 2>our strategic bombers doing flights by Venezuela. We have the

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<v Speaker 2>USS Gerald R.

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<v Speaker 3>Ford.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably leaving the Mediterranean right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be.

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<v Speaker 2>On station in the Caribbean with its three or four

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<v Speaker 2>escort vessels, which are all significant by the birthday of

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<v Speaker 2>my beloved cored is what I'm told October, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>November tenth, it's supposed to be on station in the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 2>That would bring it up to twelve thirteen and a

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<v Speaker 2>considerable portion over naval essence.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting up a thing on the screen right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing the screen where it shows a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>like the action as of I think thirty first so

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<v Speaker 1>as of Friday night, and it's a ton of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's more stuff than I think is probably needed.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, we don't even know what's what the

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<v Speaker 1>plan is, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the gerald Lot four is d D will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you is the most sophisticated naval weapons system in the world, right, so, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is good that we have it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what's happening. People can speculate. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of speculation on Friday that you know something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>There was notice to Airman the nottams blocking off restricted airspaces.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently that was public, and then of course the White

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<v Speaker 2>House denied it, and then of course the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were speculating said, well, that's what they did before we

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<v Speaker 2>did the air strinths on Iran. So it obviously didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>or we'd be talking about it right now. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear that to me, at least, we're one or two things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to set up so much force that it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the terrence, right, I mean, Venezuela wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to attack the United States. Perhaps it is de terrence

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<v Speaker 2>for these associated ARCO terrorists bring drugs the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if Maduro has direct control of them, he might

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<v Speaker 2>say knock it off entirely. I don't know if we'd

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<v Speaker 2>be willing to keep this level of force there if

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<v Speaker 2>that's what would cause it. And it is important to

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<v Speaker 2>point out that if it's truly about narcotics, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a very worthy cause to go after, it would also

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<v Speaker 2>include Peru, Columbia, and obviously Mexico. Way, so this seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be more about either forcing Morduro to leave, go

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<v Speaker 2>to Cuba or somewhere, or actually set up for a

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<v Speaker 2>Noriega style operation which would apprehend him. And he's already

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<v Speaker 2>indicted in the United States and we looked it up

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<v Speaker 2>last time. I think he was indicted coming only back

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty, so that could happen or full man

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<v Speaker 2>a regime change organically. The problem is it's it's there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of historical references. If we do start

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<v Speaker 2>bombing that air capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>Alone could force change.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You tend to when you attack the country. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>is that even those who are disenfranchised with the government

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<v Speaker 2>tend to rally around the flag, you see what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's our country, right. So yeah, So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just seems to be well beyond

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<v Speaker 2>anything necessary for counter knock or conducts operation. The rumor

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<v Speaker 2>around the street is this, this military presence is going

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<v Speaker 2>to expand to the Pacific, so I know we already

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<v Speaker 2>do them strikes there, but like this, this force is

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<v Speaker 2>also going to expand to the Pacific. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of issues that come with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're on our fifteenth they won last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, Yeah, so fifteen strikes, there's a fifty killed.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's there is the issue of whether we should

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<v Speaker 2>be pushing for a regime change. There's the issue of

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<v Speaker 2>whether we should be using lethal whether it's legal right,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's legal. Yeah, there's the other issue of the

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<v Speaker 2>constitutionality of Congress having no set and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>White House just came out and said, we don't think

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<v Speaker 2>the War Powers Act applies there for sixty days, which

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<v Speaker 2>is in the War Powers Act nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how that doesn't apply.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's I mean, if the White House can simply

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<v Speaker 2>decide on its own whether you know, laws apply or

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<v Speaker 2>Article one of the Constitution should be triggered or And

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<v Speaker 2>this is another thing that even Republicans, and as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a person, but Republicans are pushing back against. They

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<v Speaker 2>give a briefing and they excluded Democrats, the and the

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<v Speaker 2>Intelligence Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, wait, come again and say that it one more time. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>So they gave a briefing on the intelligence that's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>going into leading to these lethal strikes, and they excluded

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic side of the committee.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus. So they gave a breathing to the committee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Senate Select Committee of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Republicans and Democrats.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, yikes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean that's not hmember this. I mean, whether you can

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<v Speaker 2>see yourself one side or the other all this sentence standard.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're going to be outraged, if it's if

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<v Speaker 2>you consider yourself along side of the other, if the

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<v Speaker 2>other side doesn't, then be outraged. Now yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, or your outreach is just hypocrisies. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in high supply in DC, they come out right to

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<v Speaker 2>start with the constitutionality of it. No president, whether it's Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>President bulla, Bush, President Biden, has ever acknowledged that the

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<v Speaker 2>War Powers Acts constitution.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotcha, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So they say Article two, I'm the commander in chief,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't you can't restrict me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Congress obviously says, well, we're the ones that declare war.

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<v Speaker 2>Says we're right in a constitution oracle one, we're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that raise, raise armies and navies and a constitution

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<v Speaker 2>and set the rules. The issue I have is, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a clear not a conflict, but a clear issue

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<v Speaker 2>in the Constitution. The Supreme Court, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>else they have better to do than decide what is

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<v Speaker 2>the core function of any federal government, especially ours, is

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<v Speaker 2>a decision to go to war? Now, So if they

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<v Speaker 2>pass this act, and I think I'm correct in fact

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<v Speaker 2>checking listeners, I think it's in the seventy seventy three,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're talking like fifty years, this Supreme Court should

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<v Speaker 2>and I know they've they've they've they have ruled on

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, but they just need to rule on

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<v Speaker 2>the constitutional period. Right, So is the law constitutional based

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<v Speaker 2>on Oura one of the Constitution and their right to

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<v Speaker 2>declare war?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes or no?

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<v Speaker 1>It shouldn't be it should If.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't decide, then it's irrelevant. And right now that

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<v Speaker 2>makes Congress irrelevant because if the executive branch can say

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<v Speaker 2>we don't care what you have to say, then they

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<v Speaker 2>can launch wars without any authorization any president, not just

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump indefinitely. Coos should cut off the money, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to cut off the money. For the

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<v Speaker 2>entire Defense Department. It's only does the National Defense Authorization.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's that's my plug for today is this

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<v Speaker 2>should be decided.

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<v Speaker 3>In a way that it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>About it, right sure, and then the Supreme Court to decide,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and if they take away the War Powers Act,

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<v Speaker 2>then we have the unitary executive when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the power to wage war, which doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>what the you know, the far right the political spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>has been saying for several years now should be the case.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're going to be promoting something that they were

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they were saying the opposite. But that's their issue.

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<v Speaker 2>The issue that I think for Americans is what is

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<v Speaker 2>the actual constitutionality of the US going to war not

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<v Speaker 2>going to war? Limitations on that? When do they have

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<v Speaker 2>to have authorization? And that's a part from the legality

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<v Speaker 2>of these strikes, right Like, what if I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do this, I think it's very unlikely.

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<v Speaker 2>But what if we're going to have made full on

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<v Speaker 2>the even change like we did in Iraq?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just just do it? Just raise you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter million plus troops and then you know, sustain

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<v Speaker 1>military operations for years at a time without approval of Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>Like at least the Iraq War was approved by Congress, right, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And what I'm what I would be, Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just pose it to the audience. You say, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Congress can cut it off, okay, but if the president,

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<v Speaker 2>any president can launch it, yeah, put out troops there, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>until it runs out of money, and then go to

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<v Speaker 2>Congress and say, hey, you're gonna cut off the troops

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<v Speaker 2>in the field they're fighting right now. Right, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>different that's a different conversation, right, What if you're Congress

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<v Speaker 2>is going to like, no, we shouldn't be there, but

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<v Speaker 2>the hell if I'm going right, So it's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's they're easily tagged, Like you can tag Congress people

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<v Speaker 1>who are not going to fund like an ongoing military

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<v Speaker 1>operation as like anti troops and stuff like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the last thing, Yeah, one of the last things

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's that's that's what the issues are,

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<v Speaker 2>at least as I see it. The legality now, I

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<v Speaker 2>That there's no targeter in Defense Department or the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to promote striking a target if they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have solid charlenge. I just don't see that to be

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<v Speaker 2>the case. I don't see the military agreeing like we

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea who these people are and then just

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<v Speaker 2>pulling the trigger on a hill fire missile killing her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I listen, I totally agree with you, Like they're

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely like good at their job and what they do,

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<v Speaker 1>targeting and carrying it out. But you know, even when

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<v Speaker 1>you know we had a ton of our bandwidth focused

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<v Speaker 1>on Afghanistan or Iraq with targeting and stuff, mistakes were made,

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<v Speaker 1>right and at least Afghanistan in Iraq and even the

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<v Speaker 1>drone strikes like in the tribal regions of Pakistan are

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<v Speaker 1>Yeaming or wherever, like going after a Q guys like

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<v Speaker 1>CIA and probably JAYSK to do right. So and but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, just mistakes are made, and like this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the I know they're bad guys and they're drug runners,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the cartel boss isn't in those boats, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, Like it's not you're not really

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything to stem the flow anyway. Like we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it before, FENTONYL. Everyone talks about how Fentinel like

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<v Speaker 1>this scary thing, and it absolutely is. It's deadly. That's

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<v Speaker 1>made in China, right, I just had a China summit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where Trump met Jijingping. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to call that a win, they're all calling it

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<v Speaker 1>a win. Literally nothing happened like at all. He rolled

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<v Speaker 1>back some of the stuff he imposed. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he created a problem then fixed it the problem that

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<v Speaker 1>he created. It's like we're kind of back at square

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<v Speaker 1>one more or less. So I just don't see the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the value in doing this at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoot to nuts with Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if I guess if they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it from the White House perspective, obviously, Maduro's

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<v Speaker 2>a dictator, anti democratic, taking a country that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has fourteen trillion dollars with a proven oil and gas

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<v Speaker 2>somehow brought it into the collapse where seven million people

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<v Speaker 2>had to flee the country because they couldn't find food

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<v Speaker 2>in company the United States, Right, at least a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them if they could show a force that it

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<v Speaker 2>just gets this guy to flee, and like, who's his

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<v Speaker 2>likely success, Machada who just won the Nobel Peace Prize.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's like a made for Hollywood, right.

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<v Speaker 2>If it worked, I'm not saying she's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>in and you know, be perfect, although podcaster, we gave

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<v Speaker 2>her the rufus, which is it's exemplified stoicism, even if

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't consider self a stoic, because she is super impressive,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't not just because she won the I

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<v Speaker 2>won't be pressed. But so I mean, to their to

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<v Speaker 2>their way of thinking, they show a force. If they

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<v Speaker 2>could do it without even like launching an operation and

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<v Speaker 2>this guy departs, it's gonna be messy. We all know

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not just going to be They're gonna lift

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<v Speaker 2>Machado up and take her down right streets of Caracas

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<v Speaker 2>and you know we've got world democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, it's not gonna everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure everybody listening knows that the case. But if

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<v Speaker 2>if it does happen in any semblance of that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they would say, okay, so we we show a

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<v Speaker 2>force and it worked, So whether we're actually gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to send in there's a special operations vessel. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say it if it wasn't all out of the

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<v Speaker 2>public Ocean Trader that's down there, right. So their reports

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<v Speaker 2>of the Marines on the on the mew doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of live fire practice, So that could all just

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<v Speaker 2>be part of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be could.

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<v Speaker 2>Be just to scare the Jesus out of Maduro and

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<v Speaker 2>his henchman. It could be to try to get, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the people around him to say, you know what, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is a big reward on his head. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>catch him, turn over the US. He's diet he'll get prosecuted,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know they'll be rich. We'll avoid the actual

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<v Speaker 2>conflict they think it's happening. It could be that too.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be all the above. There's even a report.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what this jew, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was. If it is, it's kind of cool that

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<v Speaker 2>the agency was trying to recruit the pilot for Maduro.

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<v Speaker 1>I did see that, Yeah, to just drop them off.

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<v Speaker 3>Say hey, this is not you know correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they did that with the FBI did that

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<v Speaker 1>with one of al Mayo, the guy from the Sineloa cartel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like El Chappo's like partner for a long time. Either

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<v Speaker 1>they I don't know if they like got to the

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<v Speaker 1>pot there his own pilot or like he just charted

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<v Speaker 1>a jet. But they charted a jet in Mexico and

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<v Speaker 1>they ended up in Elpaso, Texas. That's where they landed

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where they arrested them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean man.

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<v Speaker 3>Miami instead of correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I get it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. But here's another fact, like support, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>been reported that like Maduro's regime has offered Trump an

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<v Speaker 1>America and the America America are their oil like deals

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<v Speaker 1>with them to get and stopping deals with China and Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everything that you think that Trump would go for.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, like I don't think all this bandwidth, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess it's good for the troops and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and like our jaysack to like spin up and like

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<v Speaker 1>get some practice, But I don't see the value in

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<v Speaker 1>this whatsoever. And like, yeah, Machado got screwed over like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. But you know, take a map out

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<v Speaker 1>and point at a country, and you know, authoritarianism's rising

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere right, it's becoming load, you know. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't. I don't see the real value in this,

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<v Speaker 1>at least me as a regular American citizen, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see guys die like for this ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a very valid concern, right, I mean, any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of military operations got risk, and this has sixstancial risks.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean that's why I think the agency. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what we're what my old group's doing or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they could do something that reduces or removes

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<v Speaker 2>or risk to military that's one of the best things

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<v Speaker 2>that the agency could do.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to see, and I think, you know, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of reporting, we might see this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it's about to happen. And once you

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<v Speaker 1>hear at least when I hear or Trump saying no

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<v Speaker 1>it's fake news, it's like, Okay, it's probably happening. I

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<v Speaker 1>do have this circled and underlined. The word is distraction

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<v Speaker 1>question mark? Like is this we had Jack Murphy on

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack Murphy's obviously more of a cynic like I am,

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<v Speaker 1>is it a distraction, you know, because we can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get the Florida National Guard together and the

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<v Speaker 1>probably take over and fuck up Venezuela militarily. Like why

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<v Speaker 1>are we picking on a smaller country that it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like it seems like an exercise in something like I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't there's no clear path to me, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't buy like I'm going back. I'm saying the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing I said, but I don't see a clear path

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<v Speaker 1>as to why we're doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why absolutely distraction and what other political stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Epstein, you know, I mean if you look.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, I mean at the history in the first Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of discussion on this discussion, so

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't new, so that that would be my argument again,

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<v Speaker 2>just be an a distraction to current other stuff. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is very consistent with the way the first Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration was going, and then several you know, different personalities

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<v Speaker 2>in the first Trump administration, I think persuaded President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>the first away from them, all right, so those personalist

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<v Speaker 2>don't aren't in this.

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<v Speaker 1>That so yeah, that's what I was gonna ask, Like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally see like the General Kelly's year old

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<v Speaker 1>boss Jamadis maybe I think he's more like squared away though,

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<v Speaker 1>John Bolton, you know, the neo Khan, the prototypical neo

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<v Speaker 1>cons who are like, yeah, let's do it, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Lindsay Grahams who are like, you know, get so

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<v Speaker 1>excited when there's an opportunity to bomb a country. Those

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<v Speaker 1>guys aren't dar any. I mean John Bolton's under indictment. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>those guys are not there anymore, right, like the you

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<v Speaker 1>know the quote unquote and I'll give it. Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>guys like Je Madis obviously the adults and the general

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly too. You know, those guys are not there anymore. Mick,

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<v Speaker 1>you were there, right, You guys were like the stage

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<v Speaker 1>like guys who have been doing this your whole career,

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<v Speaker 1>right and have an understanding of what really goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels a little bit more like just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ready fire aim to me, dude, I'm gonna be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I and I know that there was discussions

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<v Speaker 2>about changing the regime the first administration, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East guy. Sure, But I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>there was personalitye of time. You mentioned some and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's important to point out that, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to generals, uh like General Kelly and General Maddie,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in my experience, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Just military people in general.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people think, oh, they're just gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>a hawk, they're generally not. It's got like the Spartans,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Splays actually very hesitant to go to war.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because they were all very familiar with war, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's easier to be a chicken hawk than than

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<v Speaker 2>a hawk that's actually been on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about them too when I'm talking in general, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what their position was at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just saying that to counter the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of distraction that the administration's making up now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's been around for a while, That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, So I don't. I think it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>something they really or whatever they're doing is something that

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<v Speaker 2>they generally want to do, not for the sake of distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, I mean following the logic right of going

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<v Speaker 1>after Venezuela because they're narco terrorists and that, and they're socialists.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't really you hear that a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not really hearing more about like the drug stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That same logic should be applied to Mexico, frankly, because

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico is like the biggest hub of like drugs into

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<v Speaker 1>biggest cartels Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, and you know, every single

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<v Speaker 1>drug producing state and specifically trying it to it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like we're picking on the smallest guy on the block. Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it seems like. And I understand it's like, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so many pieces of shit in this world, like authoritative dudes,

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<v Speaker 2>So that would go to the argument that this is

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<v Speaker 2>more about regime change, right, Yeah, Mexico elected their president,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes they do. I think ninety percent of fenhow comes

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<v Speaker 2>to Mexico. So it's certainly a big, big deal and

421
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<v Speaker 2>we should and I think we have designated a lot

422
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<v Speaker 2>of the drug cartels their Mexican base as fnter'sorganization. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of regime change and the country next to us,

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<v Speaker 2>in the country that elected and you know, I don't know,

425
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<v Speaker 2>but I think she's pretty confident, but that's not our choice,

426
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<v Speaker 2>right as well as you know, like Colombia, obviously we

427
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<v Speaker 2>disagree with the president, but it's a different status than

428
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<v Speaker 2>the guy who basically wanted his opposition to in Machado

429
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<v Speaker 2>and then her protege he did run against, who won,

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<v Speaker 2>and then still said escort. I'm still totally So it's

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<v Speaker 2>that that would make the argument that this is more

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<v Speaker 2>about regime change for Venezuela than the overall issue of

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<v Speaker 2>drugs coming in at the United States, right, so that

434
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<v Speaker 2>both are not important.

435
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, I just I just don't like it.

436
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of this at all. I get

437
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<v Speaker 1>like CIA get to work right covertly with some Jay

438
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<v Speaker 1>sock help and stuff like that. You see an opportunity,

439
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<v Speaker 1>take it, right, I'm totally fine with. I just don't

440
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<v Speaker 1>just bombing fucking Venezuela. Just I don't know to scare

441
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<v Speaker 1>this guy too saying I'm done? Is I wishful thinking?

442
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<v Speaker 1>I would say.

443
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<v Speaker 2>I've always been a not just because that's the world

444
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<v Speaker 2>I come from. A proponent of the agency A first diplomacy, right,

445
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<v Speaker 2>diplomacy should always leave the US foreign policy. But then

446
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<v Speaker 2>the agency and in some cases jaysock doing everything we

447
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<v Speaker 2>can to prevent it from being an actual war. Right.

448
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<v Speaker 2>In fact, if we actually have to go to war

449
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<v Speaker 2>in some cases, I think that means we fail our mission.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't organization, it's not our choice.

451
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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a lot of goodness in what

452
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<v Speaker 2>we do to prevent in all our conflict. Not only

453
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<v Speaker 2>for in the case of our military, because a lot

454
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<v Speaker 2>of people would die, but whenever we have, especially a

455
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<v Speaker 2>conventional well, a lot of people die. A lot of

456
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<v Speaker 2>people die, a lot of people they shouldn't die die.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I mean civilians that you know are caught in the middle.

458
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<v Speaker 2>So I think that is always something that we should

459
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<v Speaker 2>be doing. I'm sure we are, and maybe maybe we

460
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<v Speaker 2>haven't been successful, or maybe that's what they're waiting for.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know all there is.

462
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<v Speaker 2>There's also a real question about whether, you know, the

463
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<v Speaker 2>biggest democracy, not the biggest, but you know, the oldest

464
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<v Speaker 2>democracy in the world should be going around top of

465
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<v Speaker 2>the governments. I think you can make an argument either

466
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<v Speaker 2>way is if it's an auto government. But the other

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<v Speaker 2>the other part of the argument, whether you agree one

468
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<v Speaker 2>way or the other, is shouldn't Congress have to say

469
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the representative of all the people, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that they individually or so boarant but they

471
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<v Speaker 2>represent their whole country, right, every district, every state. They

472
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<v Speaker 2>are on the committees whose constitutional duty it is to

473
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<v Speaker 2>oversee the Defense Department, CIA, obviously State Department, the weigh

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<v Speaker 2>in to fund things, to not fund things.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. I mean, we've seen more and more

476
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<v Speaker 1>of the last see last year or so. This the

477
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<v Speaker 1>oldest democracy in the world acting less and less like one,

478
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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. So yeah, we'll see what happens. Likely,

479
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<v Speaker 1>if it does happen this week, at some point, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about it next week and doing a lack

481
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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better term, a post mortem on it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Moving on, Trump tweeted or truth social ah

483
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<v Speaker 1>after when he was on his way back from South

484
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<v Speaker 1>Korea with talks with tishinping about this is so funny

485
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<v Speaker 1>calls for nuclear testing again, and I wrote, I'm not

486
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<v Speaker 1>gonna write what I wrote. I wrote, I'm gonna say

487
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<v Speaker 1>what I wrote in a demented tweet after the summit

488
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<v Speaker 1>meeting with Donald Trump some fun facts here. In his tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote, other countries have been testing, have testing programs,

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<v Speaker 1>they do not. The last confirmed nuclear test was North

491
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<v Speaker 1>Korea in September twenty seventeen. The last US nuclear test

492
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<v Speaker 1>was in nineteen ninety two, Russian nuclear tests in nineteen

493
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<v Speaker 1>ninety and Chinese tests was in nineteen ninety six six,

494
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<v Speaker 1>So what the fuck is he talking about, Mick?

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<v Speaker 2>So well, let's first look at the options he could

496
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<v Speaker 2>be saying.

497
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 3>He could be.

498
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<v Speaker 2>This could be a response to you know, President Putin

499
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<v Speaker 2>talking about testing this nuclear powered missile which NATO calls

500
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<v Speaker 2>the Skyfall, that that can dropping, it can be a

501
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapon as well. There's two points, right, So you

502
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>got nuclear powered weapon systems and you have nuclear weapons.

503
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<v Speaker 2>In the case with Russia's the Skyfall, it's both right.

504
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<v Speaker 2>So if he's talking about testing nuclear powered means to

505
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<v Speaker 2>deliver nuclear weapons, that okay. I mean I don't I

506
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>think we already do that. I mean, we have nuclear

507
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 2>powered submarines tooling all over the oceans right now, and

508
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>guess what, they can deliver nuclear weapons, So in a way,

509
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<v Speaker 2>we're testing ours all the time. Maybe he's talking about

510
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<v Speaker 2>testing something the equivalent of the Skyfall, I would guess,

511
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, or I wouldn't say that we

512
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<v Speaker 2>have something or that we've looked at the skyfall and

513
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<v Speaker 2>realize that it's not so important to spend that much

514
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<v Speaker 2>money on. I mean, there's some discussion that it leads

515
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<v Speaker 2>a trail of radioactive you know, miss all over.

516
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<v Speaker 3>The place and it's easy to track.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's true, but if it is,

518
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<v Speaker 2>then why waste the money doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

520
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<v Speaker 1>Money building a nuclear reactor on a missile that you're

521
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<v Speaker 1>gonna to.

522
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<v Speaker 3>Be tracked all around the world.

523
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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't know if this is the case, but

524
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<v Speaker 2>if to give the presence some leadway here, not that

525
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>he needs it from Mike from Montana, but he might

526
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<v Speaker 2>be talking about that. I'm really talking about their testing,

527
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>their their means to deliver nuclear powered weapons systems to

528
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>deliver in nuclear weapons, so away, okay, Or he's talking

529
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<v Speaker 2>about testing nuclear weapons, that's where and he just laid

530
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<v Speaker 2>out So the NPTP, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, Yeah,

531
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 2>that essentially would be broken because we would be tested

532
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons at a time where we're all concerned of

533
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the expansion of nuclear armed countries. So we have the

534
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>most effective, I think, most resilient nuclear triad in the world.

535
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>We have over five thousand nuclear weapons. We can launch

536
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>them from land, sea, and air and maybe space for all.

537
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>We have a treaty about space too, But as far

538
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<v Speaker 2>as I know, we could right. And it's the most modern.

539
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 2>So even though Russia has slightly more like five hundred

540
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 2>more or something. Yeah, we have the most modern, most effective.

541
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>We can test with computer models, not actually testing them.

542
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 2>We're on the driver's seat. So I don't know why

543
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<v Speaker 2>we China has what six hundred.

544
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think just over five hundred. But there's where

545
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they're worried that they're going to keep keep piled right,

546
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<v Speaker 1>and if.

547
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 2>We start testing again, we don't know that's what he meant.

548
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>So when we're just going on speculation, now we start testing,

549
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 2>then China might go, oh cool, now it's a chance

550
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to expand our nuclears. Well, they don't haven't done that

551
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>many tests, and they're not that confident then there in

552
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>their systems and their weapons, and they might use it

553
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 2>to expand greatly and test it and then they're more effective.

554
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the lest thing we need is a more

555
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>effective China with new nuclear weapons that have been tested. Yeaight,

556
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>so that's one problem. It might invite other countries to

557
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 2>do the same, or would invite might. Uh, it's against

558
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the theory or at least the underlying philosophy of the

559
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 2>New Start Agreement, which is going to expire in February,

560
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, next year.

561
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 3>So a couple of months.

562
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<v Speaker 2>It would cost what I read over one hundred billion

563
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>dollars just to get the Nevada test site ready to

564
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 2>do it, and over one hundred million a piece of

565
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 2>tests to do, which is not done by the DoD

566
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>It's done by the Department of Energy and the Nuclear

567
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the National Nuclear Security Administration. Oh, there's a lot of reason.

568
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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the reason why I'm wearing all these fancy duds.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going on to debate this apparently with a bunch

570
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<v Speaker 2>of other folks on TV. And I asked, I asked

571
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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the person that was producing it, Like,

572
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<v Speaker 2>is there somebody out there that's really pushing like this

573
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<v Speaker 2>is a good idea.

574
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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna ask that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like because they called it a debate, and

576
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, I can get on and discuss it.

577
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm an analyst. I don't link.

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00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she indicated to me that somebody out there

579
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<v Speaker 2>from the US side is going to push nuclear testing,

580
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<v Speaker 2>So I don't I don't know how I'm going to

581
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>be interested to hear that person.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. Yeah, I don't get how where you

583
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<v Speaker 1>find there we have the most advanced modeling in the world,

584
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 1>or you know, at least top two, and uh, let's

585
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>still blow up nuclear weapons in the desert somewhere, or

586
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>in the ocean or you know wherever. It makes fucking

587
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>no sense because the fact is like, yeah, we're big

588
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 1>and bad our military, but we don't want to Nobody

589
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>wants to use nuclear weapons because we know what's the result.

590
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.119
<v Speaker 1>The end result will be like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look at a model of just a limited exchange

592
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>between say Pakistan and India. Yeah, people go, oh, that

593
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<v Speaker 2>would be That'd be horrible for Pakistan India. No, I'll

594
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<v Speaker 2>be horrible for the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

596
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Like this is it has made massive environmental consequences that

597
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 2>could significantly alter the ecosystem of the world and therefore

598
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>make it a lot more difficult to grow food, right,

599
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>which millions could die. And I'm not trying to be

600
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know you're Cassandr or just google it. Just

601
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>watch the random six models on a limited nuclear exchange

602
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and I think you'll see that it's not an exaggeration.

603
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talked about I remember we talked about it

604
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<v Speaker 1>when India and Pakistan were getting a little squirrely, like

605
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<v Speaker 1>six or months or so back well, and we talked

606
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<v Speaker 1>about what a limited exchange would be and it would costs,

607
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 1>like like the Americas would get fucked with like our

608
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<v Speaker 1>food crops and stuff like that, you know, and like

609
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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like twenty million people would die

610
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<v Speaker 1>of fucking.

611
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<v Speaker 3>Starvation really bad.

612
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like some un goodly number.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let alone the people actually impacted and out. If

614
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<v Speaker 2>you had a chance to watch House.

615
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Dynamite, I did. Yeah. Did you you liked it?

616
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<v Speaker 3>I did ye. I have my mutual friend of the

617
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<v Speaker 3>direct Ugh, what you know.

618
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<v Speaker 1>The movie was great and I have a buddy in

619
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that movie. He plays one of the earlier guys in

620
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of his kid Sam Awesome. Yeah, it was

621
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>really a great speaking role too. Uh. The movie was gripping.

622
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I have a problem with Catherine Bigelow a little bit

623
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a movie snob. I've made a movie before

624
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and award for her Locker, which, like all military people

625
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>from the Teamhouse On say, is nonsense, Like.

626
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Jared doctor either well, well let's stick to House of

627
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>because it's relevant to.

628
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<v Speaker 1>The Sorry, maybe we'll touch on this after. Yeah, House

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<v Speaker 1>the Dynamite was great. It was super gripping. I love

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<v Speaker 1>like the different perspectives and stuff. It was a really

631
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<v Speaker 1>good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my feedback was and it was after the fact.

633
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if she cared or even got.

634
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<v Speaker 3>It, but.

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<v Speaker 2>One I would have had a lot more debate, not

636
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<v Speaker 2>just because I'm from the intelligence community.

637
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<v Speaker 3>And who did it? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>They go into the like should we just newt the

639
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<v Speaker 2>world to I mean, they're looking at the three there's

640
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<v Speaker 2>always three options.

641
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<v Speaker 3>By the way in the military, you know, and it's like,

642
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<v Speaker 3>well who did it?

643
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<v Speaker 2>Like they would be screaming the president down, they would

644
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<v Speaker 2>make they would force the icy to say, you tell

645
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<v Speaker 2>us your best estimate of who launched dismissal or all

646
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>the all the talk about what to do about it's irrelevant, right,

647
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<v Speaker 2>And I know, I mean I think in the scenario

648
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<v Speaker 2>it was launched a sea at sea, probably obscure did it.

649
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<v Speaker 2>But it would be like they'd be retasking every damn

650
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<v Speaker 2>satellite They'd be they'd be sending everything that we have

651
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<v Speaker 2>floating to that to find out, you know what I mean,

652
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>like it and they would not have allowed the Icy

653
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<v Speaker 2>to say, we don't know, they just wouldn't, right, so

654
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<v Speaker 2>and maybe for political reasons.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we missed our intercept. Vehicle misses it.

656
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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna blow a spoiler, it's going to explode in Chicago. Okay,

657
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>tell me what my options are now to just fucking

658
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.559
<v Speaker 1>nuke everybody.

659
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Like they're not gonna nuke everybody, right, so.

660
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's figure out who the like you said, yeah, absolutely.

661
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<v Speaker 3>They would have demanded it. They would have.

662
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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't have been a pass So I didn't I

663
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<v Speaker 2>thought that which should have been added. So the so

664
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<v Speaker 2>the other issue not ours, but the Pentagon said, oh no,

665
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<v Speaker 2>we would have hit that thing. We have like one

666
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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent success, right. I don't think that's I know

667
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<v Speaker 2>that's not the case.

668
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<v Speaker 4>Everybody, you're hitting a bullet with a bullet, you're never

669
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna have a hundred percent success, right, So I don't

670
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<v Speaker 4>know if it was would have been to picket like this,

671
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 4>we got one shot at and sale that thees, but

672
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<v Speaker 4>like to be fair to miss Bigelow is.

673
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<v Speaker 5>Like you would have a movie if they hit it, right.

674
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<v Speaker 5>The best okay, yeah, there have been a real really

675
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 5>short movie, so obviously they have to make it go

676
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 5>through the other thing, which is purely cinematic not technical.

677
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 5>Was I think I would have showed the impact, right,

678
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<v Speaker 5>because you.

679
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Still don't know.

680
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<v Speaker 2>And maybe she did this on purpose, so maybe she's like,

681
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<v Speaker 2>that's why I did it. Whether we're chasing a ghost, yeah,

682
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>we were're chasing the ghost, but to really have that

683
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<v Speaker 2>impact and then maybe not even show what the US response.

684
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<v Speaker 1>Was, Well, they didn't really show the US response.

685
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Because they didn't show the impact. Whether it was actually

686
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>a missile right, yeah, it by the way, should say

687
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 2>spoiler a orner at the beginning.

688
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<v Speaker 1>Well, sorry, guys, it's all right, you're still good. It

689
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>just switched them my Yeah, yeah, it's a bit low,

690
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>but that's all right. Yeah. I would say it was

691
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>totally gripping. Uh, and she's good at that zero. Doc

692
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty was a good movie. I guess maybe I'm just

693
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>too connected with Teamhouse and stuff like that to talk

694
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<v Speaker 1>to like people, and and and from what I understand

695
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 1>is this, and I'm sorry, I know this is your

696
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<v Speaker 1>former Ah, heads up, all right, I think we're okay, Yeah,

697
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I think we're Okay, so this is your former outfit, right. Uh.

698
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<v Speaker 1>The CIA basically wrote the story for and I think, yeah,

699
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<v Speaker 1>like they let him like Parnetta let him in the room,

700
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 1>her and Mark Bowl. Uh.

701
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 3>Another another movie you're talking.

702
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<v Speaker 1>Talking about Zero Block You're a Dark third?

703
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean, listen, how'se a dynamite totally good movie.

705
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<v Speaker 1>Should watch it. It's on Netflix, Netflix, send us a

706
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<v Speaker 1>check please. Yeah. But so Zero Dark Dirty, just because

707
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<v Speaker 1>I know you're in that world and you don't have

708
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<v Speaker 1>to say anything. The CIA welcomed he them in and

709
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying to not get you know, use whatever

710
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you can with sources and stuff like that. But it

711
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of feels like a CIA authorized movie, to be honest.

712
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's a cool movie, right, And obviously you're not

713
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 1>gonna show the teams of people that have worked on

714
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>bin Laden and it's better to like anthromorphousies the entire

715
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>crew into one person. I understand that for dramatic effect,

716
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.840
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not I mean, well, we all know that's

717
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>not you know, the part where like the enhanced interrogation

718
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>was like a big thing and that's how it was

719
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 1>found and stuff like that, and I'm not gonna say

720
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>what I think I know, but like I know that

721
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just that right, and I understand the dark history

722
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.119
<v Speaker 1>with the intense interrogation and like fact, frankly Cia, people

723
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<v Speaker 1>do what the president lets you do, right, and you're

724
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna do you know, guys or girls are gonna do

725
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>what they can to get what they can for the

726
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to keep America safe. Like I would do the same

727
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<v Speaker 1>thing if I was there. I just it just felt

728
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>like nonsense. And I everybody I know, at least there

729
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>was a walk in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a little too close for that to that.

731
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I if.

732
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<v Speaker 2>I start critiquing what's true and what's not, basically, I

733
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<v Speaker 2>think if that cinematically.

734
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 3>It was good. I knew a lot of it was

735
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 3>accurate as you know public If I would.

736
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<v Speaker 2>Say anything, did sure that was you know, as a

737
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>person who knew was coming, was you know, out there

738
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>doing stuff. I'll leave it at that. I knew it

739
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>was coming for a while and then you know, we

740
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<v Speaker 2>carry it off. It's every American was super proud for

741
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>sure too, and you know I was, and I was

742
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<v Speaker 2>one of them. And then you see, like every political

743
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>figure in Washington tell every possible thing that he knew

744
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<v Speaker 2>about it.

745
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I was like, what the why did I mean?

746
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean obviously we're going to celebrate, you know,

747
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 2>getting the guy who as a country.

748
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<v Speaker 1>Uh, definitely, but like why.

749
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<v Speaker 2>Talk about I'm not even gonna say it because it's

750
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>just justifies or not justifies that. They just said every

751
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 2>possible thing that we did, which was awesome, and it

752
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 2>had no reason to be in the public space. So if,

753
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 2>if anything, since you can't undue time, we should collectively

754
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>decide like like not to in the future. And it

755
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>had real consequences on people whose lives have been forever

756
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 2>changed totally. Somebody wanted to say something about a person

757
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that would help us and it it. Yeah, so I

758
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 2>think I think the movie was cinematically was very well done.

759
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 1>A lot of it was close, but yeah, yeah, you

760
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 1>can't really get the specifics and even her Locker was

761
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a good movie cinematically. But like when I hear from

762
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>like guys who were on the ground that were like

763
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>that there would never be the case, right, I understand

764
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>you need to take some dramatic license, but with the

765
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.679
<v Speaker 1>problem with Bigelow and bol didn't write this new movie,

766
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 1>but that guy Mark Bole is I have a problem

767
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>with a little bit. He's a screenwriter I think for

768
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>zero Dark thirty, and I believe hurt Locker I might

769
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<v Speaker 1>be wrong. Is they take a lot they act like, oh,

770
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist and I got this. This is fact

771
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 1>based completely and this isn't this is totally the truth,

772
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's not completely the truth, so stop

773
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 1>talking like it is. Specifically Mark Boltmore, I got a

774
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 1>real problem with Mark Bowle. He's a rat in my opinion.

775
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>So and there's a long history not to have him

776
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to do with me. But bo Bergdall, that whole thing,

777
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a piece of shit. Yeah, he's a bad guy

778
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 1>with what he did with bo Bergdahal because obviously bo

779
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Bergdall he did a fucked up thing walking off base.

780
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>But he's clearly mentally ill. And uh, you know when

781
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>we were in the Wars, you know, the Army did

782
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>lower standards and stuff like that, like you couldn't get

783
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 1>into the coast Guard and the Army let him in.

784
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>So shout out to the coast Guard, you know what

785
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. So, and this guy just kind of manipulated

786
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that kid to be honest, like a kid who was

787
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>mentally ill, like he manipulated the shit out of him

788
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>when he got back, and he was he was in

789
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>captivity for five fucking years on top of that. Can't

790
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.639
<v Speaker 1>be good for your mental health. But anyway, I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>This is me being a nerd like film like movie guy.

792
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh, so I do have to jump on my all right,

793
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<v Speaker 2>get the hell out of here about why we don't

794
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<v Speaker 2>want to trigger a.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear Yeah, tell him it's a dumb idea for me. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you guys to check out Make five Boat

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The new podcast link is in the description and our

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, thanks brother. Great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Another good episode.

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