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Speaker 4: Am.
Speaker 3: I disappointed that b w A is not in the
colleg football playoff. Yes, but I had already set myself
up over the last six weeks for the feelings that
I felt yesterday and after I felt it on Saturday,
I'm like, look like, yeah, is it fair. No, it's
not fair. It's not fair. And when has college football
ever been fair? Some people will think, hey, there was
a time, there's a place, there was an era in
which college football was fair. No, it's never been fair.
The college football, catball, the collegeootball, Wiligopoli, the monopoly. As
soon as TV became a portion oka of cosmotball. Even
prior to that, the IVY leagues were cheating with bagman
in rural and suburban areas for a long time just
so they could beat their fellow IVY League schools. They've
been paying for plays for a long time. They've been
figuring out ways to cheats. They're always going to try
to circumvent the rules and win in a competitive environment.
Football is still the best sport in the world. In
my opinion, it's the most altruistic. It's the it's where
like you can't manipulate it as much on the field,
you just can't. The best team typically wins in college football.
In the NFL, you can't manipulate. And some people say
in the NFL that, you know, the Kansas City Chiefs
are bought and paid for all those things, and you
know Ron's going to chime in here real quick, but
you know what I mean, Like, it is very hard
to manipulate twenty two players on any given play, you know,
and the refs can't manipulate.
Speaker 1: So it's still to me the most pure, that's the
best sport.
Speaker 3: But when you have committees, when you have councils, when
you have you know, these obscure behind closed door metrics
that they're leaning into, there is always ways to corrupt
one and it's unfair. But at the same time, is
this better than what we've had in the past. Yes,
it is because at least teams have a chance, more
teams have a chance. It's not just one game national
championship with bowl games, it's not just the final four,
it's twelve now. So I do respect the progress that
the college football cabal or thegoppoly has made in order
to it would be more inclusive and share the wealth
and share the moneies and allow others to engage in competitive,
high level football. But it's unfair. We got to expand
again one hundred percent, and luckily for us, I'm telling
you right now, it is great that Notre Dame took
their ball home and said never again, we ain't playing.
We will not be monetized. Okay, we will not be
taking advantage of we're bigger. They think they're bigger than
the college football answer, they're bigger and stronger than the
college football oligopoly.
Speaker 1: They're bigger than the power too.
Speaker 3: They are if if you're not gonna include us, then
we're taking our ball and going home. I think it's
gonna benefit BYU in the long run because you're gonna
be forced to expand the playoff. What the College Football
Committee's trying to do and the college football power brokers,
what they're trying to do is force Notre Dame to
get into a conference gonna do it. They're not gonna
do it like Beverquah. Notre Dame's alumed. Notre Dame's like
power structure will not yield. They will not bend the knee.
Speaker 1: All your Game of Thrones fans, they will not bend
the knee.
Speaker 3: Okay, they won't. What they're going to do is they're
going to force an expansion, and they're probably gonna want
more algorithm, more metrics, more computerized system in order to
keep them in and a contract that says it. Obviously,
we already know about it. If they're in the top fourteen,
they get in. If you expand to sixteen, they're getting in.
No matter what they have to, like get into a
four loss season for them to be ousted once again.
This will never happen again for Notre Dame. They will
always be in the top sixteen. They will always be
I'm telling you right now, they will not let this
happen again, and they will not allow anyone to force
them to join a conference. That's what I'm seeing. They
very well could disassociate with their acc deal because they
feel like they have not been good advocates for them.
We've heard that, we heard it from Deverquah that relationship
is on the rocks. If not completely already done, it's done.
And I don't see them going to the Big ten
right now, no way, not after how they've been treated,
They've perceived how they've been treated.
Speaker 1: They think that they've been treated unfairly. I disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't think they necessarily meet the standard and requirement
that it was set by the committee themselves, by the
college football power brokers themselves when this college football playoff
was launched years ago, and it's by the way.
Speaker 1: This is through twenty thirty two.
Speaker 3: So the Committee and the human element with dufuses like
Hunter Yurachek getting out in front of a camera and
giving you like this reality TV absurdity. That's what it is.
It's all to monetize and to make everyone bicker and
moan and converse and extrapolate and debate. That's what it's about.
It is our version, men's version of reality TV. That's
what this is. That that's exactly what it is. They
trot out the dummy. Remember, reality TV is set up
so that we make we We're smarter, we're better, we
feel better about ourselves. We watch reality TV because like, wow,
those guys are idiots. That girl is an idiot? Are
they are low IQ humans? What do we come away
from every single time we hear anyone speak from the committee?
Speaker 1: They are stupid, They are ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It just makes us feel better about ourselves, right, and
then we're angry and then we converse about it.
Speaker 1: It's just reality TV, that's all it is.
Speaker 3: They're taking what has worked with the Bachelor, Bachelorette. We
name any one of those real lives of Mormon housewives.
I don't know all of it where we just sit there. Yeah,
it was so dumb, dumb, just ridiculous. And I'm so
much smarter. That's all they're doing to us, and we
buy into it. So and this is gonna go through
twenty thirty two. But I'm telling you right now, Notre
Dame is gonna wield their power now. They were trying
to do BYU was solid here. The committee was trying
to do by you was solid. ESPN I think was
trying to do b why you was solid And I'll
tell you what they were trying to do here. Momentarily,
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eighth edition of Cougar Sports. Coming in with all matter
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and foremost our executive producer behind the glass. He was
actually out at the Big twelve Championship game covering this
demolition of the BYU Cougar football team. Let's welcome in
Ronald the three Van Weave and Ronnie, how you living?
Speaker 1: I'm living, good man.
Speaker 5: Look I can legit say in Texas Tech is a
legit playoff team for sure, in the title national championship contender.
Speaker 3: Look, they got a chance to go all the way
at this.
Speaker 5: I just can't wait to see them give Dante more
as our friend of the program, John Kurtz ben Soelvinsider says, hell,
because that defense is a problem. I thought Jacob Rodriguez
was just a dude. But John Curry and Ben Roberts
or dudes to the Stash crew in that linebacker room.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech got it all been.
Speaker 3: I hope. I think every BYU fans fan has become
a Texas Tech fan and they are hoping that the
Red Raiders just plow through the bracket and win the
national championship. They're on the side of Indiana. Indiana is
a fantastic team, one of the like if you look
at their their recruiting rankings, their composite talent on their roster.
Speaker 1: They actually, per two four seven, have a worse roster
than BYU. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: BYA has the seventieth best roster per twenty four seven sports.
Kirk sign Eddy and the Hoosiers are are below that
and they're gonna play for possibly a you know, maybe
a semi final or even a national championship. They are
the number one seed. They knocked off Ohio State. Crazy
that that has happened. But Texas Tech is in the
same brackets is Indiana, and I believe that Texas Tech
can beat Indiana. I really do. I know everyone's gonna bebate,
but Asu. That ASU game, Yeah, that was an interesting one.
I don't know what happened exactly in that that ASU game.
I don't know what was occurring in the lead up.
Obviously Barren More was out. Obviously it was a wilder,
rockoush environment. Sam Lett had a great game and led
the ASU Sun Devils in a great victory. It came
down to the final possession, came down to the final play,
and Texas Tech wasn't able to do it. But since
that day, Texas Tech has elevated their play to astronomical
levels and they are dominant.
Speaker 1: They've been dominant every single game.
Speaker 3: But I think we're all rooting for the Red Raiders,
and you want to see the Big twelve Darling, the
Black Gold Darling knockoff everybody that stands in their way.
We wish them well. Let's also welcome in Brett always
bring the Hammer Hammer time show how you doing, Brett Hammer.
Isn't it so interesting how we feel about Texas Tech,
Like I think by fans across the border willing to say, yeah,
we're Texas Tech fans.
Speaker 1: We hope they win it all.
Speaker 3: Remember last year how we felt about Arizona State. We
hated the Sun Devils. We hated Kenny Dillingham, we hated
Sam Levitt, we hated Kamskataboo, we hated everything about those
stupid Arizona State Sun Devils because of the fact that
they prevented us from being in the Big Twelve title
and Texas Tech wins smacks us twice. By the way,
we weren't even close with either one of those games,
and we're like, oh, yeah, we love Texas Tech. Man.
They're so good to us, They're so nice to us.
We're rooting for Joey McGuire these guys. It's just so
funny to see the dichotomy how that's changed between the
team we hated last year who won the Big Twelve conference,
and the team who won it this year. Fun staut
of the Day Satura the Day presented by Vanderwilf B
has lost four games in the last two years. Only
one of those games did AU lose. Was the team
not a conference champion that year? Wow? Yeah. The only
champions they lost this year was conference champion and the
one game they lost last year and almost beat Texas
one of the darlings of the college football world last year,
and Sam Levi and it came down to a final possession,
final play.
Speaker 1: And Sam Levitt was basically not existing.
Speaker 3: Correction Camady Kimscott who had to throw a touchdown in
the game. So Texas basically had a handicap playing it
to State and still almost lost. So yeah, but BYU
basically the last two years they only lose the conference champions.
I don't know about Notre Dame, text A, and m
I'm pretty sure it didn't win a conference championship this year. Miami.
I'm pretty sure neither one of the teams they lost
to were conference champions this year. But you know what
it is. What it is, BA pretty much only loses
the conference champs And that leads me into one of
my initial commentaries here. I truly believe because of what
Bayu's accomperence over the last two years that BYU, or
that power Brokers and ESPN specifically wanted to do, BYU
was solid by not allowing them. From the beginning, we
knew BA was not gonna get in unless they be tech.
They had to win the conference. Okay, we knew that
so and that's why they are graphic never showed up.
It never showed up next to Alabama or Miami or
Notre Dame or Oklahoma, like we were never included ever so,
but they they did us as solid by I mean,
it looked like they were trying to do by scheduling
Notre Dame in the pop Tarts Bowl, right, This is multifaceted.
They wanted they're wanting Notre Dame to join a conference,
and they figure, hey, this is a nice little push
to get into a conference. It's gonna have the opposite effect,
in my opinion, I think you're seeing that and we'll
get to beverquass sound the ad for Notre Dame here momentarily,
but it's gonna have the opposite effect.
Speaker 1: But I understand why they were trying to do it.
Speaker 3: They were trying to do by you assault because b
WYU had a better resume than Notre Dame this year.
They had a better resume. They had a better resume
than Miami. But remember ESPN is associated with who ACC.
That's the media rights deal. They wanted and needed an
ACC winner. Okay, and Miami was the best team quotation
Mark and I guess Virginia and Duke were not.
Speaker 1: Nora was Georgia Tech. They didn't earn it right.
Speaker 3: So they gave Miami because of the late push in
November and the way that they're winning and the branding
and the equity, they had to do a solid to
the acc right because of that connectivity BYU if Notre
Dame would have decided to play which breaking news. By
the way, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish are now rebranding.
They are no longer the Fighting Irish. They are just
the Irish because they have no fight in them, no
fight left in them. They took their ball and they
went home. This is what I call female caninery. This
is female caninery. That that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And look, Beverqua is gonna give you a little love here.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: When he talks about BYU and all the other teams,
he said, to keep it.
Speaker 3: He can keep it.
Speaker 1: We don't need it, right, but we all know like.
Speaker 3: The reason why I think they were gonna do BYU
saw Notre Dame was supposed to be BYU's partner during independence.
In time and time again, Notre Dame decided, Nah, we're good.
We ain't going out there to provo. We'll play you
in our in our Shamrock series in Vegas where we
control the two We control the sound, we control the sponsors,
we control everything, and we'll make it into a home
game experience, which they did, and they beat BYU. Our
defense was trash, by the way, those really bad defensive effort,
and our offense came up, came up short, right, came
up a little bit short on that final drive.
Speaker 1: But we had a final drive knocking on the door.
They're late anyway.
Speaker 3: I do believe that the college football cabal was trying
to do BYU assalid after everything they accomplished, and they
were gonna put BYU and Notre Dame. The best consolation
prize in college football outside the College Football Playoff is
pop tarts ball and for by you going to Orlando.
You're kidding me. BO defense are like huzzah, all right, Okay,
I get it. We got our trash kick. They're more angry,
I think they would be more. They're more angry at
their football team and maybe certain coaches than they are
the Collge Football playff Committee. Right now, would you agree
with that BYU fans are more angry with after the
loss to Texas Tech, right because they see the chasm,
they see the expanse between them and the elite college
football team, right, does that make sense? Like, so they
then they turn on who their offensive coordinator, They're gonna
turn on coaches. They're like, oh, yeah, so we got
the opportunity to play Notre Dame. Notre Dame said no, peace,
Why because because Miami couldn't go to the the pop
Tarts Bowl again. Guys. They went last year against Iowa State,
so they would have had gone two consecutive pop Tarts Balls.
Speaker 1: As ESPN's partner, what's that, sorry, what do you say?
Speaker 3: No, no Miami, I'm saying Miami couldn't go to consecutive
pop Tarts Balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went to the pop Tarts Bowl last year.
Speaker 3: They lost to Iowa State because their star quarterback didn't
play in the second half. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: So Miami's over here having a gripe with ESPN their partners,
saying we will not go, well, we don't want to
go to the pop Tarts Ball. They did play in it,
by the way, Notre Dame to the ball and went home.
The female knines that they are right the the the
pompous full of hubris, you know, just just elitist program,
that they are right by the way, Rudy got baptized
in the church's chrestvil and I said, he's more of
a BYU fan now is than he is a Notre
Dame Irish fan. Not fighting, not fighting, because that's that's
no longer there quit that That sign should say quit. Yep,
you know when when things get tough, right, quit when
things get tough, that's what that sign should should say.
Speaker 1: Irish. What's that?
Speaker 3: Notre ame quitting Irish? And that's what they are, man
quitting Irish. So you see kind of the domino effect
and what what advocacy there was Miami. There's no way
Miami wanted to go to the Pop Tarts ball and
that would have been the consolation prize if they were limited.
If they were they were not allowed. Alabama got screwed
last year in their mind. Remember Alabama was not in
the collg football player who was kicking and screaming a
moment last year.
Speaker 1: It was Alabama. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they're the ones that took to all of
that momentum and hatred and they said, you know, we
need to include it strength of record and look, they
had the best winning colleg football. I totally agree with
that one of the worst losses. Also, yeah, one of
the worst losses, but they had one of the best wins.
So you can see the ceiling on the floor for Alabama.
I have no problem honestly with Alabama being in, and
I don't think that they should be castigated and reprimanded
for losing in their conference championship game. I just don't,
and you know by you shouldn't either. But we're the
new kid on the block, We're the new money. Guys.
Do you think the new money and the new kid
on the block is gonna get that tip of the cap? No,
remember what happened last year? SMU got demolished. Okay, they
don't want to see that again. Boise State got pummeled.
They don't want to see that again to a degree.
Right with seating, remember seating, Right, So Tulane and James
Madison both get in, but they didn't get good seating.
They didn't deserve good seating, and they're gonna get destroyed this.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be in because.
Speaker 3: They're not one of the top twelve teams, but contractually
they must be in, so they had to go and
abide by the contract. Can someone explain to me how
we live in a world where the collegewall playoffs mandate
if you win your conference championship, you get in. Cool.
So that's the only reason we're letting Tulane and jam
you in. Did Miami play in their conference championship, because
I'm pretty sure they didn't. Did they have a shot
at playing in it? No, they didn't because they lost
a tiebreaker to a seven and five duke team who
was bad this year. I still don't like. I don't
feel however you want. They felt like they needed to
have an a SEC representative. That's it, and that's no,
That's what it is. They had to because of the
advocacy and the alignment and the money that's involved with
ESPN and the and the a SEC period.
Speaker 1: But the problem is we do that with the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: We're not even letting the other team who played in
the Big Twelve championship get in. We're letting a Miami
team who did not even quite like how was Miami
the best team in their conference?
Speaker 1: If they didn't win it, they did not even make
the game.
Speaker 3: But we're saying we're essentially ignoring the fact that they
play in the ACC. That's what we're doing because we
feel like, frankly, they owe a lot to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: They owe so much to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Their whole campaign for the playoffs was, well we beat
Notre Dame like twelve weeks ago. Well yeah, since then,
you've lost to two unranked teams and you didn't qualify
for your conference championship. I just I'm still hung up
on the fact that Miami made this thing when they
did not. They lost a tiebreaker to a team that's
seven and five, And I get the tiebreaker system. It's
not perfect, ye, but we're not talking about a team
who had one less loss or two less two more
losses than you. This is a seven and five duke team.
You didn't beat them in a tiebreaker head to head,
so you didn't make your conference championship, but somehow, because
the committee ranked you there, therefore you get in. Yeah,
well this is the thing. Okay, let me go back
to Alabama here. Alabama played in a bowl game last year.
They played played and lost to Michigan. They didn't take
their ball and go home, right, and Alabama has every
right too, wouldn't you say? Over the last twenty years,
twenty five years, they've been the best team of college football.
They have every right, they had every right to say,
we're not playing you screwed us, and we're going in.
We're taking our ball and we're going home. It's crazy
to me that Notre Dame did it. I understand why
they're doing it. I understand what they think. They believe
that they have more they wield more power than they
really do. I think is the question how much power
do they really wield in the college football landscape? Right?
If they go purely independent, Let's say they take out
all of their Olympic sports teams out of the ACC,
they double bird the ACC.
Speaker 1: Will the Big Ten pick up their Olympic sports?
Speaker 3: Is that what they'll do? You know what I mean?
Will they pick up their Olympic sports because geographically maybe
it's better for them? They may the Big Ten day
now do it and Notre Dame will then be forced
to have a greater strength of schedule. Does that make sense?
If they end up pulling out of the ACC six
game agreement and they align with the Big Ten at
the well, then they'd have to actually play football or
they wouldn't, or they go purely independent. Right if the
Big Ten would allow them. I don't know if the
Big ten would, but let me tell you, So there's
that component that I'm taking into account. Everyone's like, well,
why is it that ESPN is advocated for the ACC
and now for the Big twelve. Remember there's a bifurcation
between meteorites. It's ESPN and Fox in the Big twelve.
That's a competitive environment. It's not a sole ownership of
the content in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: This is split.
Speaker 3: How many games do we have on Big Nut? How
many games do we have on ESPN? We had a
split for BYU this year. So it's not pure advocacy.
I've said this time and time again. Who and what
are your advocates for BYU? Who's an advocate for BYU
at the table, at the elitist table? There aren't that many.
We're gaining them, though, I'm telling you, we're gaining them
as we go about doing it the right way and
having you know, we do have a robust, aggressive fan
base that's on social media, like the metrics digitally, the
metrics from Nielsen, Like we're a well respected program in
that regard because you can monetize us. As soon as
I said this, forever as soon as the general college
football landscape like realizes that they can monetize the rabid
BYU fan base digitally and with Nielsen ratings and with
corporate sponsorships, then then we'll be probably more included. We're
gonna have more advocacy. So I go back to ESPN
was still trying to do us a solid, giving us
the fighting Irish in Orlando. Like, if you ask me, Ben,
you're gonna get a crappy ass choose my language. This
is in the Bible. You can say, ass, you served mission.
I served a mission. That is the threshold seating in
the college football Playoff as an at large bid because
that's what we were, because we weren't the conference chap
You're gonna get a crappy seating and you're probably gonna
go against a team that's gonna kick the trash out
of you, like more than likely the elite teams one
through five. You would have got one of those teams
and you're probably gonna gonna lose or seen Texas tecon
again by the way, yeah you could have seen Texas
and I don't think.
Speaker 1: Look, I know there's a lot of fans who think,
give them one more time.
Speaker 3: No, Texas, got dude, You're gonna get a crummy seed
and you're probably gonna lose that game because we just don't.
Speaker 1: Have the horses.
Speaker 3: Is We're good, We're a great team. We're a great team.
We're in that six to fifteen. We can compete with
the Alabamas, the Oklahomas, we can compete with Miami, we
can compete with Notre Dame. Obviously those are great teams too.
But if you gave me that option of a crappy
seed or to beat Notre Dame, to play Notre Dame
in a true neutral environment in Orlando, I'm like I
I would I probably would have picked Notre Dame. Like
I know, I was like, no, Ben, you're an idiot wife,
Oh Dari, I'm like, we're not gonna freaking survive in advance.
You're gonna go in the get your tails kicked, and
a whole college football landscape is gonna say we've never
should let you in either way, Whereas this way, at
this way you could go in. You could complain that
you didn't get in, and you would have had a
right to say that, and then you beat note of
a name, and then it's like, well, look you guys
are wrong about it, even though we didn't want get
in because we probably would have been.
Speaker 1: Our tails cap. But you know what we can say
that we should have like we can week, we could
beat Notre Dame, like we match up extremely well.
Speaker 3: Look at the history, look at them. We've talked to sir,
and they didn't want anything to do it because they know.
They know when you're on a neutral field versus b
Yu okay, and you don't have the competitive enage. That's
why you look at their road slate. Notre Dame is
very strategic, they're very operational. Their architecture is very good.
That's why everyone attacked them with their resume, Like you
didn't have any road wins. Yes, you you were. You
were competitive right against some good teams this year, there's
no doubt. But you lost those games and I didn't
do anything, and you lost it at home. So I
don't know, I get it, like I have no aim,
or like I'll retweet it all right, I'll retweet. I'm like, hey,
like yeah, anyone like Dave Portnoy advocating for BYU. I
would have loved to be in the COLLG football player
if I would have loved the money and the resource
that could have been distributed to BYU directly and all
those things, and a chance to be in the big dance.
Speaker 1: But honestly, if you'd have give me that choice, like I,
I probably would have.
Speaker 3: I probably would have liked to beat Notre Dame in Orlando.
That's I think ESPN was doing BYU was solid there,
all things considered, I think that this was this was hatched.
Speaker 1: This strategy was hatched a long time ago.
Speaker 3: They knew, Okay, the if you know ball like you
kind of know, like who the best teams are? You
really do like and you know, I really do believe
if I bracketed out, if I if I buyfer Kate,
if I split it up, there's probably five elite teams
this year and then you have six to fifteen, set,
sixteen seventeen that are great football teams. Is where I
look at it right. For BA is a part of that.
Boa is a great football team. But we still had
a chasm. We still have a lot of ground to
make up before we're an elite football team. And I
prefer not to get my teeth kicked in by an
elite football team because of poor seeding.
Speaker 1: Because I'm an at large. Well, but you just want
to be able.
Speaker 3: To get into this.
Speaker 1: It's not the Sama Tournament.
Speaker 3: It's not anyone can beat anybody in basketball, you can
get hot. In football, the best team more often than not,
more often than not on a neutral field. Okay, we'll win.
The team who kicked your teeth is the four seed,
meaning there's three teams that the committee thinks are better.
Speaker 1: Than that team.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know that I agree, I'm not gonna
win that text second is not the best team. I
think they might be, But either way, there's three other
guys who are also in that group. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's kind of where I stand foundationally with this guys.
And so look, Georgia Tech, you got a great chance
to win and have one of the most the greatest
seasons in BAU football history. This is okay, it just is.
Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest. It's awesome, and it's only
getting better.
Speaker 3: Remember, Texas Tech had to spend twenty eight million to
get that roster, and furthermore, it's really hard to spend
that much money and retain your culture. It's really hard
to spend that by you spent approximately ten million on
their roster and they maintain their culture too, and that's
why they're a great football team. Okay, and now there
is more investment. Now, Remember the investment is not coming
from the Church of Jesus Christ, the letter Saints and
tides and offerings. Okay, this is coming from This has
coming from donors that believe that BYU Athletics is an
ambassadorial tool for good and they want it to be
prominent and go about doing good and providing service and
raising funds for those that are in need and also
food stuffs for those that are in need in the
geographies and the communities that you're going and competing in,
while all all the while not burying our talents before God. Okay,
everyone thinks that spiritual, academic, scientific talents are always greater
than any sort of physical talents that we are blessed with.
And what I'm saying is, look, these are physical talents
that that many are blessed with, and you can continue
to feature those as well. And those those donors want
it to do well. They get to eat what they killed.
They play in their own sandbox. They're not taking tithes
and offerings. I know. I was having a debate with
my father about this yesterday, about you know, the contract
essentsion of Kilan and where we're going and what we're
doing and the great and spacious and are we doing
it the right way? And I think we are. I
think we're doing it the right way. I think are
we Are we spending to win at all costs? I
don't think so. I think we're going about doing good
while we're trying to win the right way with a
great ambassador named Colonisa talking.
Speaker 1: And guess what we decided a top twenty one recruiting
class that of.
Speaker 3: Kids that I think student athletes that I believe align
with the mission of the church and align with the
mission of Brigham You on University. Okay, going the right way?
And I think you know, I'm optimistic, I'm positive. I
have gratitude for this season. I hope you guys do
as well. I hope you've been able to get over
the demolition. I hope you realize that the perspective, the
truth of the matter, there is a big chasm between
you and elite football players right now, elite football schools.
To win a national championship again, I think you can
make up that ground, though, I really do. I think
you can get to that elite status doing it the
right way. I believe that wholeheartedly. So we'll go to break.
Speaker 1: We didn't really get into the starting lineup. I was
just going off on a diet tribe.
Speaker 3: I apologize, completely circumventding traditional procedure. We'll get into the
rest of our nitty gritty on the flip side, but
our starting lineup includes I'll be honest, like, I'm just
going off on this right now, and I apologize for
the diet tribe to start it off. Start us off, Ronnie.
Ronnie's like, you got to get to they you gotta
get through this.
Speaker 1: I apologize, Ronnie.
Speaker 3: We'll get into the rest of the starting lineup in
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would go with an Irish Celtic type of field today
with the Band of the Day. The fighting Irish no
longer are fighting. They are the quitting Irish. There's no
fight left in him. Just call them the Irish. My
guy John says, opt out like a champion today. And
why doesn't Notre Dame like pop tarts? No, they just
prefer cupcakes. Nice. Yes, indeed, shout out to John texting
me that earlier in the show. And we're gonna get
into the rest of our starting lineup. We're gonna have
John Beck later on the show. Brady Papinga, it's who
we usually talk with on Monday after wins and losses.
Office has been much more winning this season than losses.
But your two losses, hey, shoot, like you have two
of the best losses in college football.
Speaker 1: You got some quality losses.
Speaker 3: So what an ESPN and the College Football Playoff Committee
essentially do they put you into a situation where you
were gonna play another team that had a few quality losses,
some of the best quality losses per their perception in
college football, that was Notre Dame. Notre Dame said nay,
they said no, we will not go. And the fighting
Irish are now the quitting Irish. And it's unfortunate, man,
because BYU versus Notre Dame in Orlando, what a consolation
prize that would have been, Like, I'll be honest, like
that would have satisfied me that feels like a New
York six Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't really have those anymore, but like
that feels like a New Year sity.
Speaker 3: That would have satisfied me. That to me, like that
would have made me happy. You know what. I was
pretty juiced about it. I was pretty psyched about it.
And Notre Dame's like, h nah. Still to this day,
not an advocate, not a friend of BYU's turned down
the payout whatever it was with like, you know, six
million dollars I think is the payout for the pop
cards ball didn't need it, don't want it. We'll take
will take the uh, the fine or whatever it is
that I guess. They're not a part of a concert.
They may not get fined. They don't even want the
money though they don't need the money. That's crazy to me,
just just insane what's happened. But once again, I'll go
back to this. The thesis is that Notre Dame thinks
that they have more power, more leverage over the college
football world. Then we all believe that they do, like
they're bigger than everybody else, they're stronger than everybody else,
that they're gonna wield their their brand.
Speaker 1: That has been built over the last one hundred years.
Speaker 3: And I'm excited to see that the oligopoly, the COLLG
football could bal compete with Notre I really am. Now.
Notre Dame already has a contract in place that if
they'd expands the fourteen that they're in right in the
top fourteen, they're gonna get into the COG football player.
Speaker 1: And I don't think this is gonna happen again, I
really don't.
Speaker 3: Unless Notre Dame is a four loss team, you know,
maybe a three loss team, they're probably gonna be in.
If they're a two loss team going forward, they're gonna
be in the college football playoff going forward. Okay, And
this particular deal, this contract is through twenty thirty two.
I don't know if they can change that. I don't
know if they can expand that in the time being,
revamp it, remodel it, restructure it. But I think it
is the way that it is for the time being.
So I do want to listen to mister Bubba Quap
of Notre Dame, the athletic director. In this segment, he
hopped onto a number of shows. He hopped onto a
number of shows recently. I think the pat mcviee show
Barstools Sports, which one do you have Q up for me?
Speaker 1: First? Here Ronald the three and man Weaver. Alright, this
is wake up barsto.
Speaker 3: Hopefully there's no cursing as a number of competitions you
hear from Dave Portnoy, I think beverqually as well. Let's
get into it.
Speaker 4: But I say I am of the thought that you
guys have nothing to complain about. I think you're a
very good team. I think't could win the whole tournament.
I'm a BYU backer. I think when you look at
the end of the season, I don't think you should
be penalized or playing an extra game. And I don't
see anyway the resume Notre Dame at the end of
the season is ahead of BYU.
Speaker 6: Well, let me tell you, I think there are a
lot of deserving teams. I definitely think BYU is one
of them. They had a great season. They lost to
a really good Texas Tech team twice, but had a
great season. I think Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame
all great teams. So we don't have any grape with
the teams that made it, or quite frankly other teams
that deserve to be considered. I couldn't agree more with
you about BYU. I they had a fantastic season with
a fantastic coach. It's great atmosphere for football out there.
I know you had a blast when you went out there.
Our problem, Dave, is with the process right.
Speaker 3: So we were for right or.
Speaker 6: Wrong reasons, and you might totally disagree with me, but
we were absolutely led to believe this entire CFP ranking
season that we were in. You know, you go back
to that first ranking. We were six and two, Miami
was six and two, and they beat us. They beat
us in that first game. I'm not going to argue that.
I mean, that's plain a day. You know, it was
a good game, but they beat us. But we were
both six and two. We were tenth, they were eighteenth.
The only thing that happened from that point is we
both went out in convincing fashion. I think we won
our next four games by an average of thirty points.
For some reason, we end up eleventh and on the
outside looking in in the Tuesday ranking, the penultimate ranking,
all of a sudden we drop below Alabama. We go
and handle business in Stanford in a very convincing fashion.
Alabama beats an Auburn team that had a difficult year
and it was a close game, and like, we're not
getting reasonable explanations for this. You know, I heard you.
One thing was they went for it on fourth down,
and that.
Speaker 1: Was that was crazy and they said they had to day.
Speaker 6: You got to understand to me, I'm not I have
all the respect in the world from Miami, great team,
great program, great coach, all this. Nobody's had more success
in the last decade than Alabama, BYU Texas, Vanderbilt, Clarklee,
I think the world of Clarkly. We're not complaining. I'm
not complaining about the teams. I'm complaining about the process
and the fact that Marcus had to get up there
in front of those kids yesterday, Yeah, and didn't have
any real answers.
Speaker 3: Well, the answer here, mister Beverquhy is Hey, Alabama played
in their bowl game when they got screwed last year,
you know, screwed quotation mark, Go play in your bowl game.
You have seniors that will never play college fou again,
You selfish son of a motherless goat?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Like you're taking that opportunity away from that, and what
they'll say is, well, we're gonna lose players, They're gonna
opt out. Okay, Like, you have a bowl game opportunity
to go develop your guys for the next three weeks,
you get additional practices, you get additional money, you can
get your team to be better.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, we don't want any of that.
We were so upset at the process that we.
Speaker 3: Are going to rob our football players, our seniors, of
an experience that they'll never get back. Now, like ten
years down the road, when these notre name football players
are asked, what was the last game he played in?
Speaker 1: Did you how many Bowl games did you play in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I played in you know, in three bowl games or whatever? Right, well,
why didn't you play in the fourth?
Speaker 3: Oh? We quit, you know, our our ad and our
coach quit. They said, no, we're not gonna we're not
gonna play football. We're gonna we're gonna disrupt the system
that has been in place for over one hundred years,
a bowl system, and we're just gonna say no, Like, wait,
so are you a quitter?
Speaker 1: Corporate America is gonna ask are you a quitter? Did
you want to play?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, no, like that tells me everything I
need to know. If the if the players like, I
feel like the players should revolt like no, we.
Speaker 1: Want to play.
Speaker 3: I feel robbed. Yeah, I may feel robb that I
wasn't including a colled football playoff, But it just goes
show the culture. I thought the culture was better at
Notre Dame. I thought the culture was better. I thought it.
Speaker 1: Football is built on grit, tenacity, resiliency.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It teaches you to fail collectively as a team, and
it teaches a win collectively as a team.
Speaker 3: You're uprooting the faith family football culture that has been
established since its inception. You're you're upending it, You're subterfusing it,
you're manipulating it. And what you're saying to the world
is like, we care about the vanity and selfishness of
our institution and ourselves.
Speaker 1: We care about ourselves and that's all that matters. It's selfishness.
Speaker 3: It's completely contrary to the football culture at any level,
pop Warner to high school to college to the NFL.
In my opinion, it's just it's a travesty, man, it
really is. And I think when this is all said
and done, five ten years down the road. Every single
one of these individuals is going to regret that they
didn't let the boys play in a bowl game, their
last opportunity to play in a game.
Speaker 1: And it's a great location too.
Speaker 3: The two things that are great about bowl games you
get to play a game or three things. You get
to play a game that you love. You get to
coach in the game that you love. Why you got
into it in the first place. All of these individuals
are playing a game or coaching in a game that
they love. They appreciate the game, okay, for the pure
love of the game, till you get a little bit
of money, right and you get to practice and you
get to play more at your school.
Speaker 1: Okay, like that. That's that's the nature of it, right.
Speaker 3: So you look at all the positives and I just
I can't believe that they're stealing that from the players.
This is supposed to be at the student athletes, right.
For how long have we discussed branding wise? You know,
it's more than just sport, right, It's about academics, about
the student athlete and enrichment that that they get for
that they receive by aligning themselves with the institution. Well,
what they've said is No, it's not about the athletes anymore.
It's all about us. It's all about our institution, our
institutional pride, and it's not has nothing to do with
the student athletes and their enriching experience. Sorry, it's unfortunate.
Let's get to Josh Bate. One of the things that
I think is interesting and this is a catalyst. This
is exactly what I thought. I was texting a former
players thread as BYU lost the text six, I'm like, look,
this is what I see happening. I see because Heather
Dinnich had prognosticated it. I thought it was interesting when
she brought this up. BoA's gonna lose. They're gonna lose big,
Miami's gonna move up. Then they're gonna be right next
to Miami. Or see, Miami's gonna be right next to
Notre Dame, and then the head to head will come
into play and Miami will get the nod because because
because Duke ended up beating Virginia, right, you saw that happen.
And then I said, look BYU versus Notre Dame and
the pop tarts ball baby, And the reason why this
is gonna happen is because the college football cabal wants
the force Notre Dame, and they're gonna punish them for
not being in a conference.
Speaker 1: They want to push them towards the conference.
Speaker 3: Let's listen to Josh Pate from Page State College Football Show.
Speaker 7: I think they paid a price for not being in
a conference.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 7: People kept yelling what they've been yelling at Notre Dame
for a long time, and that is you need to
join a conference. I've never yelled that at Notre Dame.
I never will yell that at Notre Dame. I fully
respect her in the pen. I've always said if I
were a major university, I'd want to do what Notre
Dame does. That would be an ideal situation. You call
all your own shots. Your seat at the table carries
as much weight as other conferences collectively carry at the table.
Who wouldn't want to be in Notre Dame's position. But
I did say, if you guys want to hold out
this small sliver of hope that they'll ever become more
motivated to join a conference, not that I think they will,
but if you ever want to hold out hope that
they'll become more motivated, you need to hope that they
have to pay a price in the form of losing
a playoff spot for not being in a conference. Now,
for the first round of the playoffs last year, the
first time we ever had one, there was this rule
where if you didn't win a conference championship, you couldn't
have a first round by But that only lasted one year,
so that parameter got removed and it looked for all
the world like the stars were aligning for Notre Dame
to just exist in this new world. Pay no price.
I think they paid a price for not being in
a conference here, no.
Speaker 3: Doubt about it. That's the nature of it. This is
the slap on the ridge from the college football caball
the oligopoly, the monopoly on the sports saying, hey, Notre Dame,
you should have been at a conference rose and then
then we would have got you in. That was the
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where BYU fans do still have a gripe, right, is
they feel like they had a better resume than Miami.
They feel like they had a better resume than Oklahoma.
They had a better resume than Alabama. That very well
could be right. They had a better resume than Miami,
or excuse me, than Notre Dame. Let's talk real quick
about by U versus Notre Dame and how uh Dave
Portnoy's been the vocal advocate, and you've even heard Brett
yor Mark and Joey maguire, they've actively called out Notre Dame,
and even the ACCS a conference actively called out Notre Dame,
who they have a nice partnership with. They benefit synergistically
with their Olympic sports and their uh their six games
that they get to piggyback off of in their in
conference you know play uh play that they have Uh
this is uh the uh the SVP Podcast with a
Stanford Steve discovering and comparing and contrasting b YU and
Notre Dame's resumes. I started looking at BYU and Notre Dame.
I'm like b Yu's resumes better, Beating Utah is better
than beating USC, and ending factor in what Arizona's done
at the back end and go there and win like.
Speaker 1: And see this is this is the thing that we do.
Speaker 8: We took it as Notre Dame in Miami and put
him side by side, as if that's the only conversation
to have. This is a great exercise. But BYU and
Notre Dame side by side. You just said it that
Utah win. Ultimately, Utah is highering the rankings in USC.
Speaker 3: So we know that. But from the beginning, they why
is it that they didn't want BYU compared to any
of these schools? Right? Why why didn't they want to
compare BYU to Miami, BYU to Notre Dame, BAU to Oklahoma,
BYU to Alabama.
Speaker 1: Why weren't they doing that? So what's the intent there?
Speaker 3: What do you think? What's your theory? I'll give you mine,
you show me yours real quick, Brett, what do you
make of it? Well, I mean, had you done the
numbers and just done the objective data. I mean David
Hale was doing it every week. He was giving MUA
blind resume of BYU compared to someone else that everyone
thought was good. Boau's resume ended up being better. You said, huh,
that's weird. I think part of the reason that they
just tried to avoid looking at Byus because the close
or you looked, the more you may have realized that
ESPN may have been a little bit fraudulent.
Speaker 1: I actually texted somebody yesterday in production.
Speaker 3: At ESPN and I said, look, I said, talk to
me about the behind the scenes about BYU and ESPN,
because there's a lot of fans who feel like ESPN
has an inherent bias against BYU. And I was like,
I've worked in TV. I know how sometimes these things
come across. It's not an institutional thing where the CEO
of ESPN writes the graphic and says steals like, I've
written those graphics. I know how that works. As like, like,
aren't these fans a little bit crazy? And he texts
me back and he goes, I mean, I'm just gonna
pullup the text, because I don't even want to misquote him. Yeah,
but he was more into this than I was. Actually.
I think ESPN treats any non Big ten or SEC
school as.
Speaker 1: The redheaded stepchild.
Speaker 3: That is what I was told from someone who works
at ESPN in production, and I was like, all right, well,
I thought that you were going to come back to
me and say, no, you're crazy. There's no inherent bias.
Sounds like there is a little bit. So it's it's
conference bias. That's where it stems from. That's your theory.
It's all conference based by it. I mean, it's money bias.
That's That's essentially what it is. Because ESPN, like you mentioned,
they have the direct contract with the SEC. That's the
only I believe that's the only conference they own exclusively
because the ACC is shared with the c DOT. So
then why would they advocate for the Big ten if
they don't have a contractual obligation and incentive to be
aligned with the Big Ten? I think because they have
to be like, you can't put into twelve on the
surface look like you're some sort of neutral party. You
have to, right, and I'm sure there's plenty of people
who in power at Ohio States in the world, at
the Big tens of the world.
Speaker 1: That would be frustrated.
Speaker 3: So I think you have to because because you're not
going to convince the college football world that the Big
twelve is just as good as the Big Ten, even
though I do think it's a fair experiment worth doing,
I don't think you'd be able to convince them to that.
But you also can't just rank twelve straight SEC teams
in and so I think that's part of the reason. Look,
I think it stems obviously from affiliations and contracts and partnerships.
I think baseline, as a Big twelve member, you're bifurcated
in your media, right stal So it's Fox and ESPN,
So that limits your advocacy at those ESPN executive meetings
and competitive councils, if you will. So that's one number
two BYU is the new kid on the block, right,
they're the new kid on the block with new money
and new resources to a certain degree, and there is
a certain amount of the good old boys club that
exists in college athletics. And do not dismiss that, Okay,
do not dismiss that. Everyone will say BA is a
nice program as your herbivoquassa, the ad of Notre Dame.
Nice program, utmost respect for them, but you haven't been
at the table long enough. You're the new money, and
new money is never good money. They feel like this
is a flash in the pan, This is just a
little bit here. You're just here for a moment. But
you are you gonna be able to sustain it like
we've been able to sustain it for so long. Right,
we've been doing this longer than you. We've been doing
it better than you. We've been cheating better than you. Right,
we found That's what it comes down to. Like at
any moment in time, they're gonna say, you're just a
nice little program, all due respect, but you're not in
the club yet. And the Big twelve is viewed as
what a glorified G sixty seven program. That's what it's
viewed as right now from the power brokers. They took
what they wanted. They took Texas, and they took Texas
A and M years ago, and they took Oklahoma, right,
and then the Big ten went out and got USC
and UCLA and then Washington and Oregon, uh with like
a diluted share. Right.
Speaker 1: Remember it was all diluted. It was havsies.
Speaker 3: Essentially, they went out and got what they wanted from
a break ending standpoint, from a monetization standpoint. So those
two things coupled with Also, I believe the reality that
is talent based. BYU has a talented team, but from
an NFL production standpoint, from a twenty four to seven
sports potential rivals on three standpoint, it's not as good.
So football guys are gonna lean and say, look like
they're a good team, they're well coached. Traditional football culture says, hey,
you go out and execute. Be gritty, be big, be strong.
Joey McGuire said, like, byus, what competitive advantages by you
have over text tech? He said, well, by use a
physical team. They're big, they're strong, they can compete in
that guard. That's what he said. Joey McGuire said that,
And you saw now the chasm of physicality that by
has to make up even though they are big and
strong and physical. Right, So all of those things led
BYU to be stiff armed out of this and I
but I still will ride with this. They wanted to
do BYU a favor because they feel like they earned it.
So they gave him Notre Dame, and then Notre Dame said, no,
not gonna do it. We're better than that, We're better
than BYU. You're gonna stick us with the new money,
You're gonna stick us with the other former independent, You're.
Speaker 1: Gonna stick us.
Speaker 3: It was punishment, pure and utter punishment due to a
number of things. Okay, Notre Dame, Okay, Notre Dame is
UH is the the entity. The team that is solo
independent can do what they want, say what they want.
And they've had power for too long. And the big
ten in the SEC, ESPN, Fox right, they don't like that.
They don't like it.
Speaker 1: They don't like being leverage.
Speaker 3: No one does. Do you think do you think Brian
Santiago like being leveraged in the Kaladisatake deal. No, he
didn't want that. No one likes to be leveraged. Okay,
that's the situation right now. But I'll go back to
and this is maybe a debate as the twelve seed,
say BYU was the twelve seed, they would have received
a they would have had to go on the road
and faced Organ. Right, would you do you feel confident
that you can beat Organ right now? As a BYU
football team, or would you have taken an opportunity to
beat Notre Dame in the Pop Tarts Bowl? Which one
would you rather done? Is the question? That's a tough one, right,
that's a tough one. You know that you and eventually
you're gonna be You're gonna have to play Texas Tech. Right, Yeah,
I don't know. I kind of I wish Notre Dame
would have played this game, because I would have been
more than satisfied with that opportunity as a former player,
as a fan, as a media member, all those things,
taking into account all the different in different.
Speaker 1: Elements here that would associate it. Now you got Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3: I think Boa fans are still excited about the Georgia
Tech game, right pop Tards Ball?
Speaker 1: Are they not as excited? Are they still miffed?
Speaker 3: Are they? Do they still feel like they were they
were relegated to you know, the uh, you know, to
the side and and not respected. Maybe possibly still feel
a little bit disillusioned, still grumpy about this whole thing.
Give me your theory, guys on why b YU was
never included in the resume comparisons versus Alabama, Miami, Oklahoma,
Notre Dame, Ole miss and Texas A and M. Guys.
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Speaker 7: He