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Speaker 2: with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, Nintendo says you have a
Speaker 2: nice emulator. Here would be a shame if something happened
Speaker 2: to it. But first, please join me and welcoming today's
Speaker 2: co host to Game Mess Mornings. It's Jason Bonelli. Everybody, Jason,
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Speaker 3: quite a quite an adventure, but we had fun, with
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. We did basically everything we wanted
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Speaker 1: That's what Mickey's all about. Absolutely communical and diseases.
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Speaker 2: All right, we have a lot to get into, so
Speaker 2: let's start the Morning Mess with. Nintendo has reportedly shut
Speaker 2: down Ryo Jinks, the switch emulator that was supposedly immune.
Speaker 2: This is from Sean Hollister at The Verge. Nintendo may
Speaker 2: have just won its battle to put the most popular
Speaker 2: Nintendo switch emulators out of business. In March, it sued
Speaker 2: Yuzu out of existence, and now it may have convinced
Speaker 2: Yuzu's primary competitor, Rio Jinks to go away too. Rio
Speaker 2: Jinks's download page is now empty. It's gethub page is gone,
Speaker 2: and the emulator's Twitter, social media page and official discord
Speaker 2: now contains a possible explanation. Nintendo got to its lead
Speaker 2: developer and convinced them to shut the project down for
Speaker 2: good yesterday gd This is a quote here. Yesterday g
Speaker 2: d k Chan was contacted by Nintendo and offered an
Speaker 2: agreement to stop working on the project, remove the organization
Speaker 2: and all related assets he's in control of. And that's
Speaker 2: from a moderator and developer, rinpin Perry Perry on discord
Speaker 2: while waiting the confrom it. Yeah, just so, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're always Rinpined Perry Perry out there doing their thing
Speaker 2: while awaiting confirmation on whether he would take this agreement.
Speaker 2: The organization has been removed, so I think it's safe
Speaker 2: to say what the outcome is. The rest of pen
Speaker 2: Perry Perry's message is a eulogy for the project, including
Speaker 2: a pair of videos showing the reujincs team's progress on
Speaker 2: iosn Android ports of the Nintendo Switch Emulator, among other
Speaker 2: core changes, ones that will now presumably never ship. Nintendo
Speaker 2: would not confirm or deny to the Verge that it
Speaker 2: made a deal with the developer instead, Nintendo spokesperson Eddie
Speaker 2: Garcia mysteriously pointed to the Entertainment Software Association's head of
Speaker 2: Public Affairs, Aubrey Quinn, who said she then couldn't speak
Speaker 2: on behalf of Nintendo. So the run around is what
Speaker 2: happened there. Compared compared to u Zu Ryu, Jinks was
Speaker 2: thought to be relatively untouchable. Rumor had it that lead
Speaker 2: developer GdK Chan was based in emulation friendly Brazil, though
Speaker 2: I never found proof of that when reporting on the
Speaker 2: plate of the emulator world earlier this year. Certainly we
Speaker 2: never heard about a lawsuit against Ria Jinks, Nor did
Speaker 2: Nintendo go after its discord server or DMCA, its GitHub
Speaker 2: or its gethub as we saw with other switch emulators.
Speaker 2: A lot of this is generally speaking, broadly speaking, emulators
Speaker 2: are legal.
Speaker 1: They a it's a legal piece of software.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of reasons why that that is the case,
Speaker 2: including settled court cases from like two thousand. I think
Speaker 2: the thinking goes back to like when x eighty six,
Speaker 2: when a bunch of computers were like, hey, we're going
Speaker 2: when Windows is like, hey we are IBM compatible, that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. A lot I think a lot of
Speaker 2: the thinking goes all the way back to that in general,
Speaker 2: but broadly speaking, emulators are legal, which is why Nintendo
Speaker 2: didn't directly threaten to sue here, and honestly, it's why
Speaker 2: Nintendo didn't directly threaten to sue Yuzuo about emulation. They
Speaker 2: were saying, hey, your your Patreon and stuff makes references
Speaker 2: to Nintendo owned IP, so we're suing you for copyright infringemen. Now,
Speaker 2: all that said, Nintendo could still sue, and they probably
Speaker 2: could build a case saying hey, no, the copyright protection
Speaker 2: that we have inside of the switch is different, and
Speaker 2: it's actually impossible to make an emulator without violating our
Speaker 2: copyright or something along those lines that you know, there's
Speaker 2: new rules all the time that could be so could
Speaker 2: be made into precedent in court. But broadly speaking, and
Speaker 2: the way Nintendo's behaving suggests that even Nintendo seems to
Speaker 2: think that emulators are legal regardless of where GdK Chan lives,
Speaker 2: which is why they went to him and said I
Speaker 2: went to them and said, hey, wouldn't be nice if
Speaker 2: you just shut this thing down instead of us suing you,
Speaker 2: which seems to be like, we don't know if that's
Speaker 2: exactly how it went could have been cash, because they
Speaker 2: could have gave him cash. They could have I mean,
Speaker 2: but it's like, at that point, if they're going to
Speaker 2: give them cash, why not just buy the emulator or
Speaker 2: outright and own It doesn't seem like that's what happened here. Instead,
Speaker 2: you know, it's an open source project.
Speaker 1: Whatever. They could still buy the work.
Speaker 2: It seems like what they did here was throw their
Speaker 2: weight around because they don't want this thing to exist,
Speaker 2: regardless of its legal right for it.
Speaker 1: To exist, and it's thuggish behavior it is.
Speaker 2: I find it pretty despicable because Nintendo, all these companies,
Speaker 2: they don't respect their own past in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: We get their museum, and as much as I find
Speaker 2: that museum fascinating, it's not like, hey, we're preserving beta
Speaker 2: versions of games and showing you all that stuff. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: here's a bunch of toys to play with. So who
Speaker 2: does that work? The people who make emulators, and Nintendo
Speaker 2: doesn't want them to exist because they view it as
Speaker 2: some kind of vague threat to their business, even though
Speaker 2: they're making more money than ever every year.
Speaker 1: I find this very frustrating. Frustrating. Jason, how about.
Speaker 3: You and I'm I'm curious why now, Like, what is
Speaker 3: it about now that they've decided this year is the
Speaker 3: year they're going to start going after all these switch emulators.
Speaker 3: Is it because they're afraid that this software between switch
Speaker 3: and switch to is so close that maybe they can
Speaker 3: just update it to switch to immediately and have that
Speaker 3: out faster than the switch emulators. I don't understand it,
Speaker 3: but I agree with you. I feel like this is
Speaker 3: really hampering people who just want to play the games
Speaker 3: they like to play, however they want to play them.
Speaker 3: The people who are who are you know, maybe either
Speaker 3: don't trust the switch, Like I have a Launch switch
Speaker 3: and I don't know how much longer it's going to last.
Speaker 3: So if I had the ability to play games on
Speaker 3: the switch elsewhere through the emulator, especially if I own
Speaker 3: the games already and it's not like I'm just downloading
Speaker 3: games I don't own, that's piracy. He can't do that, right, No,
Speaker 3: not at all. If I have a physical copy of
Speaker 3: a game and I want to play it on Steam Deck,
Speaker 3: let's say, or the Lenovo leedia Go, I should be
Speaker 3: allowed to do that. I bought the game, I should
Speaker 3: be able to play it. However, I want, but Nintendo
Speaker 3: or whatever reason that we'll probably never understand, doesn't seem
Speaker 3: to think that way. And I'm curious if if the
Speaker 3: new president, Doug Bowser, has sort of like got his
Speaker 3: fingers in this too, because again, I feel like since
Speaker 3: he has taken over the ship, I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: more stories of Nintendo getting litigious. So I'm genuinely wondering
Speaker 3: if maybe he has some or he has some sort
Speaker 3: of knowledge that he's maybe it starts at the top,
Speaker 3: I don't know, But again I agree with you. I
Speaker 3: think people they weren't doing anything illegal. They were doing
Speaker 3: something that the company doesn't like, and the company was
Speaker 3: basically just finding loopholes to stop it without directly saying
Speaker 3: you know, we think this is you know, illegal, when
Speaker 3: it's not, as you said, because they have to find
Speaker 3: all these workarounds, all these side routes. I don't think
Speaker 3: that they find that emulation is illegal either. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it has to go these separate routes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The lawyers, of course, are going to present the strongest
Speaker 2: case whenever they can, and if it's not directly about
Speaker 2: suing the existence of emulation, it's because they don't think
Speaker 2: that's a strong case.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a lot of speculation that
Speaker 2: a lot of the recent moves from Nintendo which have
Speaker 2: a similar tenor to them of going after retro game
Speaker 2: course something we talked about for you know, showing the
Speaker 2: MiG switch and now not just going after that video,
Speaker 2: going after kind of anything that might like even veer
Speaker 2: in that direction from retro game core YouTuber who does
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff about classic or a retro gaming
Speaker 2: devices that come from China and stuff like that. They
Speaker 2: don't get them from those videos, but they did get
Speaker 2: them for one that was like showing what to do
Speaker 2: with your we you now and how to hack that up.
Speaker 2: Even though we you not a going concern for Nintendo
Speaker 2: in any real way, Nintendo has given that channel to
Speaker 2: copyright strikes. People think, Okay, Nintendo seems to be amping
Speaker 2: up all of it's going after everybody with its law firm,
Speaker 2: you know, it's internal law firm, because they're getting ready
Speaker 2: to launch the Switch to, and the Switch to very
Speaker 2: likely going to be very reliant on the continuation of
Speaker 2: the Switch library backward compatibility, and so Nintendo, I think,
Speaker 2: is like we want the games that have sold on
Speaker 2: Switch to continue to sell on switch to and with minimal,
Speaker 2: you know, input from us in terms of updating them
Speaker 2: or representing them as switch to games. And the best
Speaker 2: way to do that is for people to believe like
Speaker 2: this is the one and only way to play these
Speaker 2: things and whatever. Protecting their market is their right to
Speaker 2: a certain extent. It's just like when then they come
Speaker 2: around and be like, well, these emulators exist and that's
Speaker 2: a problem for us, and so okay, that's your problem.
Speaker 2: These things are are legal and should be allowed to exist,
Speaker 2: and they also provide long term preservation that I'm interested in.
Speaker 2: And you are destroying this scene because of anxieties that
Speaker 2: you've built up that that that might not actually be
Speaker 2: a problem, because again it seems like your products sell
Speaker 2: just fine. Regardless of the instance of the things we're
Speaker 2: going to pull today is going to be have you
Speaker 2: used Yuzu or Reo Jinx. I bet that the number
Speaker 2: replies saying yes is actually going to be surprisingly small.
Speaker 2: We'll see, maybe it'll be higher for this audience. But
Speaker 2: even so, we can look at the numbers of how
Speaker 2: games sell and to see how Nintendo games perform, and
Speaker 2: it does not like looking at them at them on
Speaker 2: the surface relative to everyone else selling video games. If
Speaker 2: you like only had that data, you'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: Nintendo must have no emulators. There must be no emulators
Speaker 2: for these things, and no way to play these games
Speaker 2: pirate because everyone's buying these games. They're buying Mario Kart
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. What's going on here?
Speaker 2: So it's hard to empathize with Nintendo's position here because
Speaker 2: it's so strong and it is and again it is
Speaker 2: going to someone who is probably doing something that is
Speaker 2: legally protected and saying we might who cares, We might
Speaker 2: still sue you, and that would suck for you, So
Speaker 2: just stop it or else we're going to get mad
Speaker 2: at you and make your life a hell and that
Speaker 2: continues to suck, and switch too comes out or not,
Speaker 2: Like Nintendo does not need to behave this way to
Speaker 2: protect this successive switch to right.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. As you said, the people are
Speaker 3: going to be emulating games that have already sold fifty
Speaker 3: million copies. And if they're made at people for emulating
Speaker 3: Mario Kart eight Deluxe on their PC, why like how
Speaker 3: much is it worth one or two more sales? Like
Speaker 3: how much? How much ringing of the wet towel. Are
Speaker 3: you doing here or do you think you need to do?
Speaker 3: Is it it? Just it becomes this more universal like
Speaker 3: line must go up philosophy that the world seems to
Speaker 3: have adopted now must always go up, when in reality,
Speaker 3: games like Animal Crossing and Mario Kart and Tears of
Speaker 3: the Kingdom, and those games are the top of the
Speaker 3: list of the switch sales chart are not clearly not
Speaker 3: affected by the fact that people can emulate them because
Speaker 3: people are still buying them. I now, I come from
Speaker 3: this as someone who doesn't use emulators, not because I
Speaker 3: don't want to, but because most of the time I
Speaker 3: can't figure them out. But that doesn't mean I don't
Speaker 3: think they should exist. Like, if that's how you want
Speaker 3: to play your game, it's how you should be able
Speaker 3: to play a game, especially, like I said earlier, if
Speaker 3: you have the physical game in your collection.
Speaker 2: Right right, and there's there are there are laws against
Speaker 2: people downloading games that you like.
Speaker 1: That is DMCA violation. Even if you own the game.
Speaker 2: You can't download game because you can't transfer stuff over
Speaker 2: the Internet that is copyrighted. That is doucing a copy
Speaker 2: of something that is specifically copyright infringement.
Speaker 1: But if you back up your own stuff. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I recognize that people are using these things for piracy
Speaker 2: and that's and that is what they're worried about here,
Speaker 2: but again that there are Okay, use the laws available
Speaker 2: to you to do something about that, and they have.
Speaker 2: They've shut down a bunch of rohms sites, and they've
Speaker 2: had the SRB going after the long running ROM compilation libraries,
Speaker 2: and so I also hate that, but whatever, I get
Speaker 2: that that is their right, and that is you know,
Speaker 2: you can't host a bunch of ROMs from Nintendo on
Speaker 2: the website without violating the law. And if Nintendo decides
Speaker 2: to come after you, well there's not much we could
Speaker 2: do in that case. But it's like, I thought we
Speaker 2: were respecting that, and so when it came to emulation,
Speaker 2: they would have to kind of let something go and
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, well we can't do anything about the
Speaker 2: emulator itself, but we can fight piracy. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm I have accepted that. I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't love that, and I don't love it, but
Speaker 2: I've accept that. Them crossing this line just feels like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they must be trying to get super aggressive so they
Speaker 2: can kind of clear the landscape of any suggestion of hey,
Speaker 2: maybe we should get together make a start working on
Speaker 2: an emulator for switch to. I think that'll be a
Speaker 2: lot of people that might have thought that will be
Speaker 2: a lot more hesitant, at least, like the top of
Speaker 2: the line people who were very good at building Dolphin
Speaker 2: and then and then Simu and then Uzoo and Reu drinks,
Speaker 2: those people have now been scared away largely. And that's
Speaker 2: I think it's exactly what Nintendo wants is for them
Speaker 2: to clear the runway for the switch to and reset
Speaker 2: the clock in such a hard way that it will
Speaker 2: that the creation of a switch to emulator will take
Speaker 2: that much longer. Now will it actually take that much longer,
Speaker 2: We'll see, because you know, all all in all likelihood,
Speaker 2: it is going to be sort of a follow up
Speaker 2: to the switch hardware. It will be more powerful, It
Speaker 2: will be like a new generation. They will have to
Speaker 2: do some stuff to get switch games to run on
Speaker 2: the switch to because it will be so much more
Speaker 2: advanced and a different generation. But the lineage they will
Speaker 2: probably make it so something that is a successor to
Speaker 2: use you will very easily be able to run switch too.
Speaker 2: But again, Nintendo is. I think that's what they're worried about,
Speaker 2: and what all of these decisions have been about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're they're stopping active development, they're stopping the
Speaker 3: current distribution, but the ones that have already been distributed
Speaker 3: are still out there, so all those source files, all
Speaker 3: that stuff is still available to the people who are
Speaker 3: developing them. And yeah, when Switch two comes out, to
Speaker 3: Zoo might not be very far behind and they just
Speaker 3: try and do it all over again. Yeah, this whole
Speaker 3: thing sucks. It does suck. And for some people, you
Speaker 3: know again piracy and all that, but maybe this is
Speaker 3: the only way they can try a Switch game, and
Speaker 3: maybe they, I don't know what the stats are, day
Speaker 3: try a Switch game this way and go buy their
Speaker 3: own switch and get the game anyway.
Speaker 2: So one day it definitely will be true, this will
Speaker 2: be the only way to play games from most of
Speaker 2: these will exist because you know, even if even if
Speaker 2: you can find a which though they they'll probably be
Speaker 2: very expensive or broken down. And you're a kid growing
Speaker 2: up in a place that doesn't have easy access to
Speaker 2: this stuff and you want to learn about games, and
Speaker 2: twenty five years from now, the emulator will be the
Speaker 2: way to do that, and that's the way it has
Speaker 2: been and should be in my opinion, and Nintendo is
Speaker 2: specifically throwing roadblocks into that process, which I think is
Speaker 2: not something. Obviously a lot of that stuff is not
Speaker 2: legally enshrined when it comes to technically piracy, but the
Speaker 2: emulation side, for the most part, broadly speaking, was and
Speaker 2: the fact that Nintendo doesn't respect that makes me lose
Speaker 2: respect for Nintendo.
Speaker 1: Not that like I was going around with like deep
Speaker 1: respect for this corporation.
Speaker 2: I like their games, I like the people that make them,
Speaker 2: but as a corporation they have been ruthless and it
Speaker 2: is embarrassing I think.
Speaker 3: Recently ruthless too, which again ruthless. Yeah, it's it's like
Speaker 3: I said, frustrating.
Speaker 2: But they're going to make it up to everybody because
Speaker 2: game Boy Advanced Nintendo Switch Online adds F zero GP
Speaker 2: Legend and F zero Climax on October eleventh. This is
Speaker 2: from Sal Ramano at Gamatsu. Game Boy Advanced Nintendo Switch
Speaker 2: Online will add F zero GP Legend and F zero
Speaker 2: Climax on October eleventh. F zero GP Legend first launched
Speaker 2: on November twenty eight to two thousand and three in Japan,
Speaker 2: followed by June fourth, two s and four in Europe
Speaker 2: and September twenty two, that's four in North America. F
Speaker 2: zero Climax first launched in October two thousand and four
Speaker 2: in Japan and was not released in the Western world,
Speaker 2: so this will be the first time it is released
Speaker 2: in on me get the headlines. Sure, I'll turn the
Speaker 2: headlines on for y'all if you really want it.
Speaker 1: That is the.
Speaker 2: I've played these on emulation, actually specifically specifically.
Speaker 1: Climax because it never came out here.
Speaker 2: They're pretty good games, but they also I think they
Speaker 2: signify what is going on with F zero in terms
Speaker 2: of they kind of ran out of steam with the
Speaker 2: ideas and thought like, Okay, maybe we'll just kind of
Speaker 2: base one of these on the anime and and that
Speaker 2: will get people back into it, and they kind of
Speaker 2: trailed off, and then that led to us not getting
Speaker 2: a new F zero game until F zero ninety nine,
Speaker 2: which is fantastic. But yeah, this is in the fifty
Speaker 2: dollars Nintendo Expansion Tier, and I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to do too much for too many people, but I'm
Speaker 2: glad they're there.
Speaker 3: What do you think I think that? Sorry? To be distracted,
Speaker 3: but she Nolan just gave me an emote and that
Speaker 3: is an honor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look at that.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Holy shit, I'm gonnactually cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I want to know if are they are they does
Speaker 3: a Switch run this on emulation? I'm genuinely curious. Switch
Speaker 3: runs zero games. That's the Game Boy Advance simulators is
Speaker 3: what they use. Yes, and Nintendo would certainly like they
Speaker 3: make their own stuff a lot of times, most of
Speaker 3: the time when it comes to emulation, and they have
Speaker 3: all the documentation and they have very good engineers. Nintendo
Speaker 3: Europe Research and Development I think does a lot of
Speaker 3: that work. But it wouldn't surprise me if the people
Speaker 3: that are very much into building emulators from Nintendo are
Speaker 3: part of a wider community of people who've learned this
Speaker 3: stuff over time and come from a seedier side of
Speaker 3: all that in terms of where they got their start.
Speaker 3: So yes, all and also too, I love how they're
Speaker 3: doing everything they can, with the exception of ninety nine,
Speaker 3: to give us F zero without giving us a new modern,
Speaker 3: you know, buckoo crazy F zero type game. Now when
Speaker 3: the switch to finally gets announced, that's something that they
Speaker 3: announced with it, I will eat my hat, but I'm
Speaker 3: not wearing But yeah, it seems like they're just giving
Speaker 3: us all this F zero stuff and not giving us
Speaker 3: a new zero, which is what people actually want.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was definitely like wanting a new F zero zero
Speaker 2: ninety nine, not the new, big budget looking F zero
Speaker 2: game that I think I thought I wanted. But F
Speaker 2: zero ninety nine is so good that I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what, that is enough for me. But yeah, people
Speaker 2: did point out that asually in the past, We'll like
Speaker 2: to play into your joke, Nintendo has gotten some of
Speaker 2: the ROMs it's used in its collections and on some
Speaker 2: of these services and like on virtual console by downloading
Speaker 2: them from the internet basically illegally, Like Nintendo actually broke
Speaker 2: the law a little bit, because I think you can
Speaker 2: make an argument that they actually broke the law even
Speaker 2: though they owned the copyright for that, still that those
Speaker 2: transfer of doing that was not okay. I like F
Speaker 2: zero whatever. In terms of the Game Boy Advance Library
Speaker 2: on Nintendo Switch Online, there's obviously some more stuff I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want one on there, but I've kind of lost
Speaker 2: the lust for it because Nintendo does not seem to
Speaker 2: be working with many, very many third parties on this
Speaker 2: project anymore so, and when they do, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: Majesco and Jalico and and them over and over. By
Speaker 2: the time Game Boy Advance was around, they weren't putting
Speaker 2: out a ton of games to my memory. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm I don't really have that much excitement around Nintendo
Speaker 2: Switch Online drops anymore.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that library overall?
Speaker 3: I I it's too damn slow, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: they release game like I want to be more excited
Speaker 3: about it, but they are drip feeding these games on there.
Speaker 3: Like I get emails, I get the Nintendo press releases
Speaker 3: of what they're adding to Nintendo Switch Online, and it
Speaker 3: reminds me that the Nintendo Switch Online library even exists
Speaker 3: because I forget uh and a lot of the times
Speaker 3: there are games that like, I didn't play on the
Speaker 3: Super Nintendo as a kid, so I have no nostalgia
Speaker 3: four now like who And no offense to anyone in
Speaker 3: the chat who may respond, you know, who would be
Speaker 3: mad at me for this, but who asked for tough
Speaker 3: enough on the Super Nintendo, who asked for that, asked
Speaker 3: for that? But so like, give us I need more
Speaker 3: games to hook me in from this, Like what like
Speaker 3: the we Shop channel? I missed, the guy, I missed
Speaker 3: the we Shop channel so much, don't you? Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, we Shop Wednesdays. That video welcome to
Speaker 3: we Shop Wednesdays and twenty twenty four everyone, uh Like
Speaker 3: I miss that. I miss just being able to go
Speaker 3: in and buy the retro game that I want and
Speaker 3: then you know, if there was one that I hadn't
Speaker 3: played in a long time, I could just spend my
Speaker 3: WEE points on the card that I got from work
Speaker 3: because I worked at a certain gaming related retailer for
Speaker 3: five years and then went home and downloaded the stuff,
Speaker 3: and that was that. It was a good time. It
Speaker 3: was a good time. Now we have we are dependent
Speaker 3: and once again they're controlling the the the preservation, I
Speaker 3: guess would be the word I'm looking for. They're telling us, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll give you these games for free, but we'll tell
Speaker 3: you what games you're going to get for free. You're
Speaker 3: not going to have any choice in the matter. We're
Speaker 3: not going to make them separately available to people who
Speaker 3: don't have the online maybe for a separate fee. Now
Speaker 3: we are going to tell you which retro games that
Speaker 3: you want to have nostalgia for on this particular month.
Speaker 3: And I do mean month, because that's how that's how
Speaker 3: off they end them out once a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like what the hell? Oh, man, give me
Speaker 3: give me the Like, what am I going to do
Speaker 3: to play Mace the Dark Age again? I I'm the
Speaker 3: only one who wants to tell I can tell.
Speaker 2: You what you need to do, and it's it's not
Speaker 2: using the Nintendo Switch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's where that's where I'm at with this stuff,
Speaker 2: is I personally do want to play these games. Often
Speaker 2: I am. I go back and forth about whether I
Speaker 2: want to be a collector. I don't really want to
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money on that stuff. So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm emulating, and I point people like and like, if
Speaker 2: you really care about this stuff, that's still the answer.
Speaker 2: And so Nintenna Switch Online is something I forget about
Speaker 2: these days until something like this happens and they drop
Speaker 2: something and it's like, okay, let's look at this again.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I guess I'm glad these games are
Speaker 2: there for the very casual audiences that maybe are subscribed
Speaker 2: and check in on this stuff and want to have
Speaker 2: some glimpse at the history. But if anyone does have
Speaker 2: a more robust taste than that for for retro games,
Speaker 2: the switch is not the answer and it's it's exactly
Speaker 2: what you said the drip feed. They are not working
Speaker 2: with a lot of third party partners. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of obvious big omissions do doo, Nintendo not wanting to
Speaker 2: do two not do doo due to Nintendo not wanting
Speaker 2: to pay money to like Square Enix.
Speaker 1: And all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope that part of this sort of
Speaker 2: sputtering out of Nintendo Switch Online is part of everything
Speaker 2: that it feels like you can attribute Nintendo's current situation too,
Speaker 2: and that is well, once Switch Too is around, they
Speaker 2: will reinvigorate this and they will maybe settle down on
Speaker 2: all their lawsuits. But I'm not getting my hopes of Jason.
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think?
Speaker 3: Neither am I? And I'm excited for the next drop
Speaker 3: to be from the veritable Nintendo developer LJN because everybody
Speaker 3: loves those games. Of course, Yeah, no I don't.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: I almost don't want this anymore, like or if you're
Speaker 3: going to do this, have the the we shop retro
Speaker 3: store sort of thing with it, to give me the
Speaker 3: option to buy the things you don't want to put
Speaker 3: on or that are too expensive, to partner with them
Speaker 3: to make them free, if that's what's happening, and then
Speaker 3: give me the opportunity to maybe buy them for a
Speaker 3: small fee on the side. Yep, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: preservation to me, and as you've made clear, is far
Speaker 3: too important to be treated like this. Yeah, both in
Speaker 3: the first story that we talked about at now this one,
Speaker 3: and I just it's it's depressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where I'm like, we had the equilibrium
Speaker 2: before this. Okay, Nintendo, you're not gonna be the ones
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look to for this sort of preservation, just
Speaker 2: like all these other corporations. I don't think you're some
Speaker 2: outlier here. In fact, maybe you're on aggregate a little
Speaker 2: bit better than some of these other corporations when it
Speaker 2: comes to preserve in your history.
Speaker 1: Whatever. It's still not good enough, So fine, we will.
Speaker 1: We'll do it ourselves. And there's a community out there
Speaker 1: doing themselves.
Speaker 2: And now Nintendo is running in a wrecking ball through
Speaker 2: that and it's yeah, it sucks. It sucks, and I
Speaker 2: will I mean, and you know for all this Heyrio
Speaker 2: Jinks and you who have been shut down, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be able to find those emulators online. You could still
Speaker 2: find another Metrod to remake something Nintendo shut down very
Speaker 2: quickly after it released. You could find that online and
Speaker 2: stuff that. There's there's ways can you continue to find
Speaker 2: these things?
Speaker 1: They just go.
Speaker 2: Underground if they get updated, it's by entirely new teams.
Speaker 2: There's forks of all these projects. Nintendo's not going to
Speaker 2: really be able to stop it, which is why it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: they're running a wrecking ball and just creating chaos so
Speaker 2: that it feels more difficult for more people.
Speaker 1: And so it's like if.
Speaker 2: Ten percent of gamers are like I get this emulation stuff,
Speaker 2: Look how easy it is. I could just install mu
Speaker 2: deck on my Steam Deck and it's just going to
Speaker 2: install reujinks for me, and then I just got to
Speaker 2: provide this code in this code. Okay, I'll watch a
Speaker 2: YouTube video. I could do that once they make it.
Speaker 2: So okay, well, now for m you Deck, you've got
Speaker 2: to provide your own reuginks and go out there it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well that number drops from ten percent of gamers to
Speaker 2: now maybe five percent of gamers that feel comfortable doing that.
Speaker 2: That's a huge number of people, and that's what the
Speaker 2: Nintendo's just playing that numbers game, trying to maximize them
Speaker 2: the number of people that feel like they have.
Speaker 1: To go to Nintendo to get their games, which is
Speaker 1: what they want. Yeah, all right, let's see here, let's
Speaker 1: take a quit break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, Nintendo apparently is to thank for
Speaker 2: a new Professor Layton game. We have some more info
Speaker 2: about ub soft and white it delayed Assassin's Creed Shadows
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 1: Right after this there.
Speaker 2: It is, yes, all right, perfect and he's got it.
Speaker 2: The hat on everyone, welcome back to the show. Jason
Speaker 2: did get his emot and the EMO was of him
Speaker 2: wearing the hat from from the the Was this the
Speaker 2: show you were in or is this the course?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, it's the Barbershop Quartet, Yes, yeah, from back
Speaker 3: in April.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, there you go. Well it's and if.
Speaker 3: You thought that costume was good, and this year in April,
Speaker 3: we're doing the Wizard of Oz, so things go my way,
Speaker 3: my kid, little cowardly.
Speaker 1: Up and here. Yeah, let's go. I would have guessed
Speaker 1: them like that would be awesome. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into this.
Speaker 2: Level five CEO implies Nintendo is to thank for Professor
Speaker 2: Layton's comeback. This is from Jim Norman at Nintendo Life.
Speaker 2: Professor Layton and the New World of Steam was one
Speaker 2: of the big biggest surprise at announcements of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: While the return of Level five's polite Professor might have
Speaker 2: felt like a no brainer to some, it appears that
Speaker 2: the studio was initially hesitant about a comeback, that is,
Speaker 2: until a certain big until until certain big names in
Speaker 2: the industry started pushing for it. That is according to
Speaker 2: Level five CEO Akahiro Heino, who in a recent Tokyo
Speaker 2: Game show chat with Dragon Quest's Yuchi Hori, confessed that
Speaker 2: the team was content to leave the Layton series alone
Speaker 2: after it had reached a beautiful conclusion. However, Heino continues
Speaker 2: certain figures from the industry push for the game, including
Speaker 2: a mysterious company in Now, who do we think that
Speaker 2: could be? Yeah, it's probably Nintendo. I think here's how
Speaker 2: you put it. Certain individuals from the industry really wanted
Speaker 2: us to release a new game. We had a strong
Speaker 2: push coming from company in when I heard these opinions,
Speaker 2: I started think it would be good to make a
Speaker 2: new game so that fans could enjoy the series at
Speaker 2: the level of quality provided by.
Speaker 1: The latest consoles.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, after seeing that trailer for Professor
Speaker 2: Layton and the the New World Esteem, it really does
Speaker 2: feel like they're taking advantage of having more power and
Speaker 2: kind of making it look like a modern game in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, especially in terms of the quality
Speaker 2: of the animations and all that stuff. And it just
Speaker 2: looks robust compared to the DS games. And I would
Speaker 2: have been fine with here's something that looks exactly like
Speaker 2: the DS games, but now it's on Switch and it
Speaker 2: seems like they're doing a lot more than that. So
Speaker 2: very cool. I'm a big Professor Layton fan. I like
Speaker 2: those games a lot. I was excited about this, so
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's making a return. I do wonder it's like,
Speaker 2: why does Nintendo want it back? Like maybe they just
Speaker 2: like it too. I don't know, it's interesting. What do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 3: It's some weird whiplash in these stories today? Man, just
Speaker 3: do we like Nintendo? Do we hate it's a moral.
Speaker 2: A corporation that could that once our money, and I'll
Speaker 2: treat them as such. That's kind of how I want
Speaker 2: to figure. But no, I am with you on this.
Speaker 3: I think that these games still have a place, and
Speaker 3: I think the company n here, the obvious captain n
Speaker 3: let's call them, may have been so pushy for it
Speaker 3: because there was a time back when the first came
Speaker 3: out that Professor Leeton was like anonymous with the DS. Yes, right, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: they were hand in hand together. So if they can
Speaker 3: maybe recreate that on switch or switch to and say
Speaker 3: you can only play these this sort of puzzle game,
Speaker 3: maybe it takes advantage of the switch tech in ways
Speaker 3: that it took advantage of the DS tech back then,
Speaker 3: then yes, I could absolutely see why Nintendo would think
Speaker 3: that's an important part of their third party portfolio. I
Speaker 3: am also a huge fan the third game, Unwound Future
Speaker 3: I think is the name of it, one of many,
Speaker 3: one of a ever growing list of games that actually
Speaker 3: made me shed a tear at the end of that
Speaker 3: when he says I can't go back again, I can't.
Speaker 3: I won't. I'm just like, yo, man, Professor, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Pat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those games are great. I love the puzzles. I
Speaker 3: love the I love I love It's just as fun
Speaker 3: to watch the story play out as it is to
Speaker 3: gather the puzzles, Like when you go through and you
Speaker 3: see that you missed one and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: where is this puzzle? Can't every single and you're just
Speaker 3: tapping away and making sure that you find every puzzle.
Speaker 3: I love that part of it too, the collection part
Speaker 3: of it. And yeah, I think there's definitely still a
Speaker 3: place if he know here needed a someone to talk
Speaker 3: him up with Professor Layton. He didn't need a company
Speaker 3: to do it. He could have just came to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would buy every single one of them. Professor Layton
Speaker 3: versus Phoenix, right, let's not forget was a phenomenal crossover.
Speaker 3: Talk about something that needs a re remaster. Both of
Speaker 3: those games coming together in a way that represented both
Speaker 3: of them very well. Need that to come out. But anyway,
Speaker 3: back on Professor Layton, Yeah, just a place for it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. I think there's a place for it.
Speaker 2: And I think what probably happened here is if I
Speaker 2: start thinking about the time, the timeline and like where
Speaker 2: Nintendo was at when this game probably started, it was,
Speaker 2: you know, midway through the Switch, and I think around
Speaker 2: that time Nintendo was like, Okay, we've had a lot
Speaker 2: of growth, we said, a lot of switches, and we
Speaker 2: want to keep that going.
Speaker 1: What can we do?
Speaker 2: And around that time Nintendo was looking around and being like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we should broaden the appeal, try to
Speaker 2: make more stuff for women and older gamers again to
Speaker 2: a certain extent like we did with the in the past,
Speaker 2: and where do we have success with that? What with
Speaker 2: the WE and with the DS and on the DS
Speaker 2: we did that touch generations, generation stuff, and I think
Speaker 2: Nintendo probably looked at it and saw, hey, the professor
Speaker 2: Layton games were kind of this. They touched all all demographics,
Speaker 2: like but men and women liked it, children liked it,
Speaker 2: All kinds of age groups enjoyed those games. It has
Speaker 2: a very wide appeal, and so we want something like
Speaker 2: that to be part of this initiative to have the
Speaker 2: Switch have a very a varied library of games and
Speaker 2: that coul contribute to it.
Speaker 1: So I bet that was part.
Speaker 2: Of what they were thinking, is like they were looking, hey,
Speaker 2: what is a roster of third party games that we
Speaker 2: wish could come back on the switch. That would help
Speaker 2: us make that appeal to different kinds of gamers. And
Speaker 2: I think Professor Layton's once like, well, it will appeal
Speaker 2: to gamers gamers like Professor Layton, but it will appeal
Speaker 2: to everybody else. And I think they're probably right about that.
Speaker 2: Whether or not it's gonna be able to recapture the
Speaker 2: magic it had during a DS, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I'm glad it exists because I want to play it right.
Speaker 3: That would depend on, again, how they utilize the switch tech.
Speaker 3: I think how the puzzles that you're solving, maybe you're
Speaker 3: moving the switch around or maybe you know that's that's
Speaker 3: the kind of thing that is most dependent on how
Speaker 3: well this thing will sell. But if they want to
Speaker 3: keep mining the puzzle slash mystery, well, they can go
Speaker 3: into their own portfolio and bring back Kyle Hyde because
Speaker 3: it's high time we see Hotel Dusk again too. That's
Speaker 3: just me.
Speaker 1: I would love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't seem like I bet they like
Speaker 2: look at stuff like that occasionally, and that that might
Speaker 2: have been what led them to do Famicom mystery novels.
Speaker 3: But the Club Detective.
Speaker 2: Club, and they're like Okay, we want to like again,
Speaker 2: have a different kind of game for a different kind
Speaker 2: of person and this can fit into that. And they're like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we can also do Hotel Desk and like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do the Famicom Detective Club. Do we have
Speaker 2: anyone that could work on Hotel Desk? It's like, man, ever,
Speaker 2: developer's busy. So I think that's a lot of times
Speaker 2: I think these games aren't in a lineup for consideration,
Speaker 2: and what stops them from getting made is do we
Speaker 2: have anyone that can actually do it? And uh, And
Speaker 2: then that's why I think that's why that they would
Speaker 2: like start looking around to third party partners. But it
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be cool if if you over there their
Speaker 2: Level five brought back Professor Layton Because they can just
Speaker 2: say that, and then now this other team's got to
Speaker 2: do all the work and someone else has to pay
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: I bet Nintendo loves that part of it.
Speaker 2: Ubisoft developers pushed for Assassin's Creed Shadows delay. This is
Speaker 2: from Blair Marnell at GameSpot. Until late last month, Assassin's
Speaker 2: Creed Shadows was slated to be released in November of
Speaker 2: this year. Ubisoft subsequently made the surprise announcement that the
Speaker 2: game had been delayed to early next year, but according
Speaker 2: to a new report, this was far from a surprise
Speaker 2: to UBI Soft Quebec, the studio behind Shadows. The developers
Speaker 2: have reportedly been pushing for a delay for months. Ubisoft's
Speaker 2: announcement stated that shadows new release date was implemented to
Speaker 2: give the developers more time to polish the gameplay, and
Speaker 2: because the company wanted to apply the lessons it learned
Speaker 2: from Star Wars Outlaws. Disappointing rollout that game is apparently
Speaker 2: and reportedly only sold a million copies in its first month.
Speaker 2: Insider Gamings report states that both of those reasons are true,
Speaker 2: but adds further context by stating Assassin's Creed Shadows is
Speaker 2: currently not at a stage it needs to be for release.
Speaker 2: So we've heard this a bunch of times. It's very buggy, apparently,
Speaker 2: and the people working on it know that better than anyone,
Speaker 2: and we're asking for more time. I think they just
Speaker 2: don't want to be in another embarrassing situation where Assassin's
Speaker 2: Creed becomes the poster child for here is a gift
Speaker 2: of a face not loading and a couple more months
Speaker 2: should be able to help with that. You know, it's
Speaker 2: definitely something we've seen and heard before that a couple
Speaker 2: more months can get these bugs squash. Talked to Jason
Speaker 2: Schreyer on BombCast yesterday, double checking, like is that that's
Speaker 2: true right when you talk developers, like, yeah, it's enough
Speaker 2: time for that sort of thing. Although notably, the game
Speaker 2: is still in this fiscal year before March, so they
Speaker 2: do want to still get it out when they can
Speaker 2: put it on this year's you know, top line to
Speaker 2: help out that bottom line when they make that report
Speaker 2: in you know, June or whatever. Okay, they get the
Speaker 2: bug squashed and this game comes out, it's pretty decent.
Speaker 2: They can have a pretty big hit on their hands here, right,
Speaker 2: because this seems like a game though most people, if
Speaker 2: they're not weird, seem to want.
Speaker 3: I agree, most people who are not weird want to
Speaker 3: play this game. I'm one of them. I've wanted the
Speaker 3: sassag Scree Japan forever. I am weird, but not that weird.
Speaker 3: It's right, here's the problem. They have another problem. February
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is loaded. It's absolutely bonkers loaded. So
Speaker 3: do they push it again? A month to March kind
Speaker 3: of clear the way since they've already pused it once,
Speaker 3: you push it one more time for some final bug
Speaker 3: squashing or bug testing, and they get it out in
Speaker 3: March instead. I don't know how loaded March is right now.
Speaker 3: It could be, it could be just as busy an app.
Speaker 2: I'm just not remembering a lot of people will still
Speaker 2: be feeling the brunt of paying a lot of money
Speaker 2: in February for multiple games that they want, so not
Speaker 2: more March is going to be that much better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you have to wonder how many people
Speaker 3: are going to be using I mean, Assassin's Creed is
Speaker 3: a legacy franchise, a legacy franchise in this day and age.
Speaker 3: It does have a lot of dedicated fans, so maybe
Speaker 3: it could stick out, But I don't I worry. I
Speaker 3: worry about that. It's to be careful what you wish
Speaker 3: for a situation. You got it, you got the delay,
Speaker 3: you got the delay to to squash the bugs. But
Speaker 3: now you're, you know, standing among other giant releases, and
Speaker 3: what do you do to make yourself stand out? And
Speaker 3: that I think is their biggest challenge now. If they're
Speaker 3: confident in their game, and they get the bug squashed then,
Speaker 3: and they think they can make Valentine's Day work. Power
Speaker 3: to them. I would love to see it come out
Speaker 3: on Valentine's Day. Pun absolutely intended, But I I don't know,
Speaker 3: don't I don't, I don't know. I'm more worried about
Speaker 3: the timing of the release now than I am about
Speaker 3: the bugs being squashed, because, as you said, this is
Speaker 3: enough time to be able to do that. It's it's
Speaker 3: worrying for this particular game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think this is something that Jason
Speaker 2: said yesterday as well, and it's definitely something I think
Speaker 2: we've heard before in other like kind of whispery reports that.
Speaker 1: This game set.
Speaker 2: Internally, they they're pretty happy with the quality. They think
Speaker 2: they have a pretty good game here. And again I
Speaker 2: feel ripe and primed for this game to take off
Speaker 2: if they can just nail the basics, kind of have
Speaker 2: some fun, fun handful of fun new things, and then
Speaker 2: the setting and the characters crush it, which I think
Speaker 2: it could. And again, we know there's the weirdos that
Speaker 2: will try to throw a spoke into the wheels, and
Speaker 2: they've seem to successfully have done that a couple of
Speaker 2: times this year, or maybe just like they are alongside
Speaker 2: some other stuff that is causing some of these games
Speaker 2: to crash and burn, like Star Wars Outlaws, for example.
Speaker 2: And I think there's probably that's way more complicated than
Speaker 2: just some people were weird about that one, and I
Speaker 2: think it's you know, you'd be self needs of God.
Speaker 1: They need to win, right, they need to dub you
Speaker 1: real bad.
Speaker 2: And if this one doesn't work out, things are looking
Speaker 2: grammar for that company than ever.
Speaker 3: And this is like they're one of their flagship, if
Speaker 3: not the flagship franchises they have now. So if they're
Speaker 3: top of the line Triple A franchise, the one that
Speaker 3: they're based they've hung their hat on since Assassin's Creed two,
Speaker 3: let's say, comes out and does not perform commercially or critically,
Speaker 3: they might not be able to hold off those takeovers
Speaker 3: for much longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so yep. And it's even though the
Speaker 1: board of directors which.
Speaker 2: Launched a a investigation of the company, and even though
Speaker 2: many of them are part of the Guimo family, it
Speaker 2: is they will do everything they can to stand in
Speaker 2: the way of true change, which maybe uves Gimo stepping
Speaker 2: down and that family stepping back, but it's still a publicly,
Speaker 2: publicly traded company. There will still be pressure from investors.
Speaker 2: And it feels like a lot of that stuff's coming
Speaker 2: to a head. And it really what it feels like,
Speaker 2: it's like a damn about to break, is the family
Speaker 2: has stood in the way of investors requesting change for
Speaker 2: a long time, and now that pressure is built up
Speaker 2: to a point where they might not be able to
Speaker 2: stop it, and change might come sweeping through that company.
Speaker 2: And who who steps in that can like wield this
Speaker 2: massive entity with all of these studios around the world
Speaker 2: and can truly understand that. That's something where I've always
Speaker 2: pointed to, Like, for all their problems, and there are
Speaker 2: many of them, these can most seems to understand how
Speaker 2: this publisher works as a giant beast with a studio
Speaker 2: in Singapore and multiple studios in Canada and multiple studios
Speaker 2: in France and the rest of Europe, and how to
Speaker 2: get them to work in concert. And there's value to that,
Speaker 2: which is why they've been able to stay in power
Speaker 2: at that publisher for so long. And then if that changes, BOYD,
Speaker 2: does you can you even really survive? And even if
Speaker 2: it does, what does it look like on the other side,
Speaker 2: is it familiar to what we've had for twenty thirty
Speaker 2: forty years now?
Speaker 1: Maybe not?
Speaker 3: No, maybe maybe it's xboxes and next the technical sitch boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I hope not all right.
Speaker 2: Canceled Halo Battle Royale details reportedly leaked online. This is
Speaker 2: from Dennis Patrick at game Ranks. Plenty of hype surrounds
Speaker 2: the Halo ip, despite some players not being thrilled by
Speaker 2: the last couple of releases.
Speaker 1: Halo and Fit's a good nick game. Everybody just go
Speaker 1: play it. It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's hopeful that the next game will deliver another thrilling release. However,
Speaker 2: while we wait for the details about where three four
Speaker 2: to three Industries is taking the game franchise next, a
Speaker 2: new league has emerged highlighting the canceled Battle Royale games,
Speaker 2: the game mode for Halo Infinite. Thanks to Insider Gaming,
Speaker 2: we're finding out that a YouTube channel posted a video
Speaker 2: highlighting some new details. ReBs Gaming, which is kind of
Speaker 2: like a Halo channel, does a lot of stuff on
Speaker 2: Halo and several other games, but a lot of Halo stuff.
Speaker 2: ReBs Gaming posted a video that credits a source familiar
Speaker 2: with the project and what Project to Tanka would have featured.
Speaker 2: For those unaware, Project to Tanka was the name given
Speaker 2: in development for the Battle Royale experience. This is the
Speaker 2: one if people remember, that was being made really quickly
Speaker 2: after Halo Infone came out. It was being made by
Speaker 2: a different studio, and it was being made reportedly in
Speaker 2: Unreal Engine, and it was in the works for a while,
Speaker 2: and then it got canceled. It's noted that this game
Speaker 2: mode would have tied to the campaign narrative, where players
Speaker 2: would land on the map in odst drop pods. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. There would have been a few fragments
Speaker 2: for players to battle within, each featuring biomes and cannons.
Speaker 2: The launch players over onto the fragments of the map.
Speaker 2: When players were not actively battling each other, objectives could
Speaker 2: be completed to unlock items and shields. It was also
Speaker 2: stated that once players were downed, they would become an
Speaker 2: AI bubble that could be revived. Additionally, a variety of
Speaker 2: vehicles would be dropped on the map for players to
Speaker 2: fight over. However, after some time, three four to three
Speaker 2: Industries decided to rework the game mode into something else,
Speaker 2: converting the name from Project to Taka to Project Eckert.
Speaker 2: That project was also eventually scrapped sometime last year in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, so three four three industries.
Speaker 1: Could focus on the next full real Halo installment. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, I would.
Speaker 2: Have liked to have seen a Halo Battle Royale, but
Speaker 2: for me, it was like I played Halo Infinite. I
Speaker 2: was on that map. It was an open world game
Speaker 2: that I was having a pretty okay time with. I
Speaker 2: thought the grappling hook and the movement was fun and
Speaker 2: getting into skirmishes. It's like, Oh, I get to play
Speaker 2: little games of Halo inside of this open world map.
Speaker 2: That's great for me. And then as you're going through
Speaker 2: the map, you can kind of see like they they
Speaker 2: could just have a Battle Royale in this place. That'd
Speaker 2: be cool. And then you find out like, well, no,
Speaker 2: they're not going to do that. There's another team making
Speaker 2: the Battle Royale and a different engine that won't be
Speaker 2: using this map. It's like, oh, okay, well, I get
Speaker 2: still wanting to do that, but is the appetite by
Speaker 2: the time you get done doing all that. Like if
Speaker 2: the Battle Royale mode had been ready to go very
Speaker 2: soon as part of the hype for Halo Infinite. It
Speaker 2: made a lot of sense to me. As a project
Speaker 2: coming much later that is going to be a separate
Speaker 2: install as part of the Halo Infinite launcher or whatever.
Speaker 2: It made a little bit less sense, and as time
Speaker 2: went on, maybe even less sense. And I can see
Speaker 2: how they're like, let's just try some stuff here. Okay,
Speaker 2: this this is not working. We need to go back
Speaker 2: and rethink Halo entirely. And now that's where they're at
Speaker 2: kind of tracks to me.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: No, I agree one hundred percent. I think now the
Speaker 3: Battle Royal genre is basically settled at this rate. Some
Speaker 3: people may try and do something different with it. But
Speaker 3: if you're on console, you're playing Fortnite, and if you're
Speaker 3: on mobile you're playing PUBG Mobile or even Kareena Free Fire.
Speaker 3: That's it. Those are the three Battle roreales. It has
Speaker 3: been decided. In my opinion, I'm ready to call it.
Speaker 3: So the fact that they were cognizant enough to call
Speaker 3: it and focus on the next Halo and let's talk
Speaker 3: about a franchise that needs a refresh, Holy moly, that's smart.
Speaker 3: I do think that's smarter them shout out to project
Speaker 3: to Tanka and whoever the early to mid nineties professional
Speaker 3: wrestling fan was the named that. I do appreciate that one.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of like jumping from different biomes
Speaker 3: and having different battles in each one, But then that's
Speaker 3: not a battle Royale anymore. Battle Reale is the open
Speaker 3: map that constricts into one place and forces everyone into
Speaker 3: a final showdown. But it doesn't sound like it sounds
Speaker 3: like they were trying to reinvent a wheel that was
Speaker 3: still being invented. Yeah, and that's why it kind of
Speaker 3: fell off and is now not coming. Yeah. I think
Speaker 3: this is a smart This was a smart decision, like
Speaker 3: a cognizant decision of three four to three. Again, if
Speaker 3: there was ever a IP that needs to refresh in
Speaker 3: the gaming sector, it is Halo. And honestly, if they
Speaker 3: went to got a war route and just did a
Speaker 3: single player narrative experience with and then had the Halo
Speaker 3: multiplayer on the side or as its own thing like
Speaker 3: Call of Duty, I think that because I think that's
Speaker 3: the strongest way to do this because Halo two, Halo three,
Speaker 3: even Halo four to an extent, and the original Halo,
Speaker 3: those stories were still fun. It's after like Halo five
Speaker 3: and things went off way off the rails, but like
Speaker 3: playing through those narrative, playing through those campaigns was just
Speaker 3: as fun to me as playing multiplayer. Yeah, and now
Speaker 3: that we're starting to realize that single player games can
Speaker 3: still be very successful with Boulders Game and Astro Bought
Speaker 3: different genres of course, but still single player focused, I'm
Speaker 3: hoping that there's a renewde focus on the Halo single
Speaker 3: player experience that can balance with the multiplayer like it
Speaker 3: used to or else we maybe the Halo is you know,
Speaker 3: master Chief just might be someone who pops up at
Speaker 3: other games from time to time, so you could say, hey,
Speaker 3: remember Halo. Yeah, I did not say nude focus, renewed focus.
Speaker 2: Chat chat chat chat loves to hear what they want
Speaker 2: to hear. They'll do that every time, do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that.
Speaker 2: I thought Halo Infinite was really close to having the
Speaker 2: open world stuff work. I think on its own, I
Speaker 2: would have given the open world single player campaign a
Speaker 2: four out of five. I thought it was a fun sandbox,
Speaker 2: and then the multiplayer was a five out of five.
Speaker 2: Fund Like, the amount of fun to actually play that
Speaker 2: mode was five out of five.
Speaker 1: To me, That.
Speaker 2: Regardless of how they supported it after that point, I
Speaker 2: know that's how we judge these things at this point.
Speaker 2: That's just not where That's not the world I come from,
Speaker 2: So I'm not I grew up in a different world
Speaker 2: playing games that just came out, and were those games.
Speaker 2: And it's like, do I enjoy playing this?
Speaker 1: Yes or no?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's not only that. I think it's awesome and
Speaker 2: a really good time in the best Halo shooter I've
Speaker 2: ever enjoyed. So for me, it was easy five out
Speaker 2: of five. So they have to like figure out what
Speaker 2: like how to like navigate that side of things of
Speaker 2: people how they estimate these games has changed, and it's
Speaker 2: become much more difficult to keep these fans happy over time.
Speaker 2: And is that even worth pursuing at this point, I
Speaker 2: don't know. And then on the single player side of things, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you got to come back with a really
Speaker 2: strong take on the mix of Hey, I think you
Speaker 2: go back use that open world kind of idea again,
Speaker 2: do more of that. Just make sure when it turns
Speaker 2: back into that corridor shooter at the end, it's way
Speaker 2: more interesting than it was. That was definitely the thing
Speaker 2: that dripped it down and if that means some new ideas,
Speaker 2: take us some ideas from some of the other like
Speaker 2: you know, we'll look at what a what Titan Fall
Speaker 2: two was doing. You don't have to like ape that stuff,
Speaker 2: but kind of take Halo's perspective on some of these
Speaker 2: ideas and apply that to your shooter campaign. And there's
Speaker 2: definitely a world for that for a new Halo to
Speaker 2: come out every five years. Still, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: five to seven years.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: And I think they are right to abandon the Battle
Speaker 2: Royal because, as you said, like even like Beyond Call
Speaker 2: of Duty, you know, the war Zone and PUBG on mobile,
Speaker 2: and even PUBG is still massive on PC to a
Speaker 2: certain extent. Fortnite Apex Legends is massive. It's not growing,
Speaker 2: but it's massive. These things have taken all the oxygen
Speaker 2: out of the room, so they're not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to make that space work for them. And we don't
Speaker 2: people joked in chat, we don't need the Halo Extraction shooter, right,
Speaker 2: We don't need them chasing the next trend just so
Speaker 2: they could do the same thing and cancel that as well.
Speaker 3: Now back to basics, God of War did it, and
Speaker 3: then those games are great. Halo could do the same
Speaker 3: and just bringing that you know, early to mid two
Speaker 3: thousands franchise back into into prominence as well. Just needs
Speaker 3: to have a strong story, which again Halo five and
Speaker 3: at the end of Halo, but it didn't really have So.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right.
Speaker 2: The middle Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater producer has apologized
Speaker 2: to me specifically and said this is from Carl Garcia
Speaker 2: at game Ranks, apologizing for a lack of a release date.
Speaker 2: According to Twitter user Ginky Noriyanki Akimura, the producer of
Speaker 2: middle Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater, is apologizing to fans
Speaker 2: for the game's lack of a con concrete release date.
Speaker 2: According to Akamura, the studio doesn't want to make promises
Speaker 2: to fans that it cannot.
Speaker 1: Keep, but the devs are hard at work on the title.
Speaker 2: I needed this game to come out this year because
Speaker 2: Dan counterpicked it in Fantasy Critic, and if it comes
Speaker 2: out this year, he'll lose points because I'm sure it'll
Speaker 2: do pretty fine.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like it's going to work out
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: This game's coming out next year and we might not
Speaker 2: hear about its release date until sometime deep into next year.
Speaker 2: Who knows, what are your expectations for, like when we
Speaker 2: actually see this game.
Speaker 3: Or get to play Apology Holiday twenty twenty five, maybe
Speaker 3: late summer at the earliest. Of course, they could come
Speaker 3: out tomorrow and say hey, it's coming out in February,
Speaker 3: just like everything else. But no, I think this is
Speaker 3: going to be a fiscal year twenty twenty six release,
Speaker 3: and I think part of them knew that it always
Speaker 3: was going to be. I don't have twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Excuse me. I don't think they ever like they said
Speaker 3: coming this year, but I don't think they ever meant that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely said it on one side of their
Speaker 2: mouth and was like maybe out of the.
Speaker 3: Other it's coming this year, we promise, and then no.
Speaker 3: But that's fine, that's fine. It seems to be shaping
Speaker 3: up quite nicely. The demos from a Tokyo Game show
Speaker 3: looked quite well, quite good. It's a shame that Dan's
Speaker 3: not going to be able to lose those points on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I looked at he.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think he deserves
Speaker 2: to win because of the top eleven games on.
Speaker 1: Open Critic, he has three of them.
Speaker 2: This year, he's got UFO fifty, Final Fantasy, Sevin Rebirth
Speaker 2: and Astrobot and Astrobot. I think it's not wowut fun
Speaker 2: and fan Fantasy is like number three or something like that,
Speaker 2: and then UFO fifty is number eleven. He just got
Speaker 2: the right games to win.
Speaker 1: He really did so.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean UFO fifty was an inspired choice.
Speaker 2: Like as soon as you got that, it was kind
Speaker 2: of all locked up. Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: It's a battle for second now between me and Mike.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My the league I'm in with a couple of
Speaker 3: industry friends. Uh, I'm clawlling on to first. My projected
Speaker 3: I'm projected to win by one point zero two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's anyway the game.
Speaker 3: Ye, thanks to Bilotro and tech and eight and uh
Speaker 3: we do like we do one one slot. That's only
Speaker 3: seasonal games like the annual releases. Thank you w W
Speaker 3: for being good this year. Yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: it's fantasy. Craik is great. But to get back into
Speaker 3: the actual topic at hands, sorry, I kind of worries.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Actually, let's just hit this lastor as we'll
Speaker 2: run out of time. League screenshots claiming to be from
Speaker 2: the next SIMS game, Project Renee. I have serviced and
Speaker 2: fans are in shambles over them, and I'll say, for
Speaker 2: good reason, it looks like dog shit. It looks bad.
Speaker 1: Let's see here.
Speaker 2: I'll show it to the video viewers. This is These
Speaker 2: are preset SIMS characters. And here's my initial like response, like,
Speaker 2: here's how I feel like when I look at them.
Speaker 2: It looks like if you took a person, a real person,
Speaker 2: turned them into a Funko pop and then turned them
Speaker 2: back into a person. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: It is bad.
Speaker 2: Now, what's what's gonna be very annoying here is you
Speaker 2: know they got it's the SIMS. They're gonna have all
Speaker 2: the diversity stuff in here, so we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: bunch of Cretans going up be like this is the EI.
Speaker 1: No, it's just bad art. It's just bad art.
Speaker 2: It just looks bad, especially like again you look compared
Speaker 2: it to like some of these games that are trying
Speaker 2: to do the the SIMS thing, but with like the
Speaker 2: wife Wu style, like the Enzoy game, and it's like
Speaker 2: super realistic and people are making characters look like Billie
Speaker 2: Eilish and it looks exactly like Billie Eilish, It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what the competition's doing, and so what are you
Speaker 2: doing over there at the sims for.
Speaker 1: Project Renee dog Ship It's bad. Yeah, yeah, it kind
Speaker 1: of looks like it has a clay mation look to
Speaker 1: it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, very very MTV Celebrity deathmatch looking.
Speaker 1: Pea and but like not even like interesting the way
Speaker 1: those could be. This is just kind of ugly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not not liking what Project Renee is doing here.
Speaker 3: What's wrong Renee guy here? This one guy here that
Speaker 3: this this blonde fella uh he looks like he says
Speaker 3: skibeti on ironically, I just and he is not an alpha,
Speaker 3: says yeah.
Speaker 2: This is oh god, no, no, it's it's been and
Speaker 2: like what's going on with this leg?
Speaker 1: His knees look messed up.
Speaker 2: Every just I mean, look chatty pronunciation.
Speaker 1: That was a skibbitty way to say scibbitty. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's fair.
Speaker 2: I hate looking at these guys. That's that's kind of
Speaker 2: how I feel. I get it's invader or whatever, and
Speaker 2: testing they will probably they will they better make changes.
Speaker 3: These are the sims that you're put in the bottom
Speaker 3: of the pool and take out the right.
Speaker 2: If the game is all about like wanting to hate
Speaker 2: your sims there, they might be hotot something here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Were in a world where like as for as enshrined
Speaker 2: as the SIMS is with its community, I don't think
Speaker 2: that they should expect like anything they put out if
Speaker 2: it has art like this to be able to compete
Speaker 2: in an ongoing.
Speaker 1: Way, there will be people like who will be looking.
Speaker 2: Around for some other game that does things that provides
Speaker 2: what they want. And we were already seeing that some
Speaker 2: games are going to be doing that, and I think.
Speaker 1: They could lose a step here if this is where
Speaker 1: they're headed already.
Speaker 2: Sibs, Yeah, shit, yeah, this is just this is definitely
Speaker 2: the sims you see in the tame who adds for sure? Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, maybe let's get back here there we go. Okay,
Speaker 2: while while we're done with the news, let's head over
Speaker 2: to the poll question.
Speaker 1: Let mean refresh that and frame it up.
Speaker 2: The poll question from yesterday was do you want a
Speaker 2: Horizon Online game? And that was actually from Monday. Ten
Speaker 2: percent said yes. Ninety percent said no, thank you, I
Speaker 2: do not want Horizon Online. And I think when we
Speaker 2: talked about this, when we we ran this poll question,
Speaker 2: I said, I think if they get around fifteen percent
Speaker 2: saying yes, that is something they can easily work with.
Speaker 2: Now we haven't seen the game. Maybe by the time
Speaker 2: it comes out, it's like they can build up some
Speaker 2: excitement that doesn't exist in this moment. But when you
Speaker 2: just say the words all right, Horizon now, Horizon Online,
Speaker 2: one out of ten people are like, yes, I want that,
Speaker 2: and the rest just say no, just flat out no.
Speaker 2: That's a I think it's a rough place to start from.
Speaker 2: And uh, there's been a lot of money making this game.
Speaker 2: Seems like it could be a problem. I don't know
Speaker 2: what do you think, Jason.
Speaker 3: But like, what are they Is it going to be ARC?
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to figure out what Horizon Online eat
Speaker 3: is like. Is it is it something like ARC where
Speaker 3: you have these you know, this open world survival big
Speaker 3: monster stuff like that? Is it an mm O right
Speaker 3: in this world? That could be interesting. The different tribes
Speaker 3: and alliances and stuff like that with these big monsters,
Speaker 3: that could be interesting. That's another potential idea as well.
Speaker 3: But does that have to mean I guess Monster Hunter
Speaker 3: is online now, so I always thought I used to
Speaker 3: always think of that as a single player or couch
Speaker 3: co op game, but it is online now online. It's
Speaker 3: a huge Monster Hunter does make sense if you have
Speaker 3: these really beefed mechanical uh monsters. But again, you're just
Speaker 3: aping other things. What is the other than the world
Speaker 3: that it's in. What is the original idea that you're
Speaker 3: bringing to these genres? Yep, that to me is the biggest,
Speaker 3: Like that's what they need to prove to me that
Speaker 3: they can do, or else I would just play the
Speaker 3: game that's already yet. I love I love Horizon's world.
Speaker 3: I love the concept. I love the the Zero Dawn.
Speaker 3: What Zero Dawn means in that universe I found fascinating,
Speaker 3: and I love to a point. I like how Forbidden
Speaker 3: West build on that. But I don't know, don't unless
Speaker 3: you're going to be unless there is for me, unless
Speaker 3: there's a lore reason to have this always online game
Speaker 3: that you're something it contributes to the lore in some way.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can do anything original with the
Speaker 3: actual gameplay of it unless there's some mechanic that they've
Speaker 3: come up with it I can't think of.
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 2: I think they're what they're probably going to go for.
Speaker 2: I think people are right for Monster Hunter. I think
Speaker 2: you kind of make it run like a Fantasy Star Online.
Speaker 2: You know, you get your crew of four together who
Speaker 2: goes out and runs monster are hunting things. You're gonna
Speaker 2: go get the big Dino block guys and have a good.
Speaker 1: Time with that. Uh.
Speaker 2: Is that something that can sustain a massive, uh sort
Speaker 2: of live service game in these days? The way that
Speaker 2: seems like they need this game to be that thing,
Speaker 2: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I think that's why the concerns remain around it. And
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Most fans of Horizon will be like, Okay, maybe I'll
Speaker 2: check this out, but what I'm really looking for is
Speaker 2: the next real Horizon game. And I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to be able to do much about that perspective,
Speaker 2: that perception of that this isn't the real Horizon game,
Speaker 2: which is, and the way that the money they putting
Speaker 2: into it, it's like, no, it better be the real
Speaker 2: Horizon game because it's very expensive and that whole team
Speaker 2: is working on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you left us on a big cliffhanger. Can you
Speaker 3: can you get rid of that please before you start
Speaker 3: talking about how you're gonna expand the world.
Speaker 1: I should, I should.
Speaker 3: I feel like the wiki, Yeah, I feel like that.
Speaker 3: Fixing that cliffhanger, and then you know, ending the trilogy
Speaker 3: is a better way to build a online right then, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's out of order.
Speaker 2: Yep, And like, yeah, I'm follow out seventy six, Like
Speaker 2: that could be the kind of situation they're looking at here.
Speaker 2: You know, even Elder scrolls online, We've seen these things
Speaker 2: work and then not work, and then eventually get to
Speaker 2: a point where the people do like them. And yet
Speaker 2: through all of that, there's fans will be like, yeah, great,
Speaker 2: where's the next real one? That's where's Elder scroll six?
Speaker 2: Where is the next fallout? That's what we actually care about?
Speaker 2: And I think they're gonna have the same exact situation here.
Speaker 1: All right. That is it for this full question. We
Speaker 1: have a new one coming up in a second.
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, though, Jason Finella, why don't
Speaker 2: you tell people where they can find you on the
Speaker 2: internet what you have going on?
Speaker 1: All that good stuff.
Speaker 3: At big Man Finelle on social media. Sorry we've been invaded. Hello,
Speaker 3: Hey puppy, uh poppers. Yeah. I have a couple of
Speaker 3: reviews coming to game Spot soon. One I submitted yesterday.
Speaker 3: It's not in Borgo, so I can probably say what
Speaker 3: it is. We'll come about one cast Rains came out
Speaker 3: while I was in Disney World, reviewed it for game Spot.
Speaker 3: There that's all I say about that. And then another
Speaker 3: one coming out next week that isn't bargoed. I can't
Speaker 3: say much about that one, but based on what I've
Speaker 3: played so far, i'd have any good time with that.
Speaker 3: Have a few other things in the pot. One that
Speaker 3: goes all the way back to EVO that I'm still
Speaker 3: working on. That'll be exciting when that finally comes out.
Speaker 3: A lot of interviews to transcribe them and and uh
Speaker 3: handle from that. So that's still going on. I got
Speaker 3: some I think I'm going to Magicicon in Vegas, so
Speaker 3: if you like playing match at the gathering, you want
Speaker 3: to come out, and I'm covering that. I think Bramimo,
Speaker 3: ARPG dot com still have to figure that part out,
Speaker 3: so that should be fun. But yeah, that's that's me.
Speaker 3: Follow me to see games Tabletop, the occasional Dog and
Speaker 3: Child pro wrestling, and a bunch of random nonsense. I'm
Speaker 3: really good at that. But yep, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: What you got going on, Jeff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, first you got the new poll question.
Speaker 2: Have you ever used Rio Jinks or U Zoo?
Speaker 1: Yes? No? Or I don't know what those are? That'll
Speaker 1: be the poll question.
Speaker 2: We'll get the results of that on games Mornings here
Speaker 2: on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Speaking of Giant Bomb, what's up infrastructure?
Speaker 2: We continues he We've done the games Com right, that's right,
Speaker 2: big build bomb better everybody.
Speaker 3: We got the man.
Speaker 2: We should make the shirts actually, so we have the
Speaker 2: shirts now we don't, but we should make infrastructure weak
Speaker 2: shirts skyblocks in Minecraft today. And then Janet wrote here
Speaker 2: Fingy's crossed. So we think we should be able to
Speaker 2: get that working, no problem. But we got a bunch
Speaker 2: of other stuff we can run if for some reason
Speaker 2: that doesn't work. And then the Blake Club finale today,
Speaker 2: and we're calling it the finale to put extra pressure
Speaker 2: on Mike.
Speaker 1: He's right there, he's right there.
Speaker 3: After that that masterclass in driving.
Speaker 2: We saw, I'm trying to like, you know, I'll save
Speaker 2: it for the show, but I'm like, can we remember
Speaker 2: the sequence of events? Because it's like he was in
Speaker 2: a building, the building fell fell over. He got out
Speaker 2: of the building by going through the garage, and then
Speaker 2: he drove down the road, was in the park, went
Speaker 2: into that bathroom, got out of the bathroom, and then
Speaker 2: went to another building and then did some more driving.
Speaker 2: I'm probably missed a few things in there, but but
Speaker 2: like I'm like, there's just not a lot to this game,
Speaker 2: and which is why five episodes and we're talking about finale,
Speaker 2: all right, and then you know, the rest of the week,
Speaker 2: look out for more Game Mess mornings.
Speaker 1: Look out for voicemail Dump Truck tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Me and back are probably gonna play some NHL actually
Speaker 2: tomorrow after Game Mess morning, so look out for that.
Speaker 1: And then upf BCR.
Speaker 2: We'll have a bunch of fun stuff to talk about
Speaker 2: on that episode as well. So gonna be a fun
Speaker 2: week here for Infrastructure week. But first, Jason Finelli, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for hanging out with me today and
Speaker 2: talk about video games.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate.
Speaker 3: It any time, Jeff, I appreciate coming on and glad
Speaker 3: you had me indoors again. Thanks for the EMO. That's
Speaker 3: really really frig Yeah it's such a weird, so like
Speaker 3: about but yeah, that's that's seeing my face just blood
Speaker 3: chat when that first came up. I'm excited to watch
Speaker 3: the replay and just be like, yep, oh my god, what's.
Speaker 1: Going on up there there? It is all right.
Speaker 2: Thank you again, Thank you everybody for watching, Thank you
Speaker 2: for listening. You are the best audience in gaming. Until
Speaker 2: next time, have a good.
Speaker 1: One, take care of yourself and goodbye.
Speaker 3: See y'all.