WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:04.480 Let's go. We're back with another episode of Conspiracy Chaos. 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:05.360 My name is rg B. 3 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:08.800 Joining me is Always Got my co host Every fifty one, 4 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.160 Anthony and Florida Mike. 5 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:11.759 Yeah, what's up brother? 6 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.560 Hey Rod? What's going on, buddy? How you doing this evening? 7 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.399 So good man, just chopping it up, getting these episodes out, 8 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.320 bringing trying to bring the best content we can. 9 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:21.839 Florida Mike, what's up? Bro? 10 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:23.440 Oh? 11 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.960 You know, clear skies and no poison in my food today, 12 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:26.920 So it was a good day. 13 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.160 There you go, there you go. I think it's fucking 14 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.000 with your internet a little bit, but we'll get through it. 15 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:31.920 We'll get through it. 16 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:32.840 Yeah, we'll get through it. 17 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.439 We'll get through it. We got a fun one today. 18 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.840 Guys. We're going to be joined by the one and 19 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.119 only Doc Brown Prometheus Lanes. Doc. 20 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:43.159 Appreciate you jumping on and taking the time to hang 21 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:43.759 out with the crew. 22 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:45.960 I appreciate the inviot. 23 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:46.159 Man. 24 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.240 I'm always looking to meet new people, have some more 25 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:50.320 great conversations. 26 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:50.479 Man. 27 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.920 That's why we do this, man. 28 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:53.880 That's it. That's it man. 29 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:57.200 So for people who don't know, why do you tell 30 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.000 listeners listeners a little bit about yourself and how you 31 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.240 got into the conspiracy world. 32 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.000 Okay, yeah, my name is Justin Brown. I kind of 33 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.319 got the nickname Doc through this. I think it's a 34 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.599 I tell people it's a oxy moron. I believe I'm 35 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.840 a Southern man if you couldn't tell by the accent. 36 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.680 But you know, we were infamous for our oxy morons. 37 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.000 We'll take a seven foot tall guy and named him Tiny. 38 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:20.799 So this big dumb redneck call him Doc. You know 39 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.599 what I'm saying. But I'm just a normal Joe man, 40 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.120 nine to five knuckle dragger. My entire life grew up 41 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.599 in the Bible Belt, was raised a you know, Christian 42 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:36.159 in the Southern Baptist spears, and was always fascinated by 43 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.799 the Bible in history. Those were my two fascinations. And 44 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:46.079 I don't know, man, it's just two thousand and twelve. 45 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:46.799 I think it was. 46 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.120 I was just doom strolling one day and run across 47 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.239 this guy named Tray Smith from God in a Nutshell, 48 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.840 and he was talking about angels coming down, breading with 49 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.599 the daughters of men and making nephelom giants and just 50 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.840 all this weird, you know, fringy stuff, and I'm like, 51 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.359 this dude's full shit. I've been to church my whole life. 52 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.120 I know this book, well, he's just making stuff up. 53 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.599 So then I got to looking through the Bible, man, 54 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:14.599 and sure enough, all that stuff he was talking about 55 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.960 was right there. It's just I relied too heavily on 56 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:20.520 people telling me what was in there and didn't read 57 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.039 it for myself, and it just kind of sparked off 58 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:24.439 from there. 59 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:24.680 Man. 60 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.960 It was just the I don't know what you call it, 61 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.599 the what was it the gateway drug? 62 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.039 Some people say that. So giants was my gateway drug. 63 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:34.879 And it kind of just spun me off into this 64 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.680 this sphere man, And next thing, you know, I realized 65 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.199 that you could have podcasts and talk to authors and 66 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.680 researchers of all the stuff that I was reading and 67 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:48.319 getting into. So it was a very selfish grab for 68 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.960 myself and it just wound up being here. 69 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:52.159 Man. 70 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:53.120 So I've been doing this. 71 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.039 I've been having conversations on internet since I think twenty two, 72 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:01.159 but it was two years ago I started this show 73 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.599 and kind of really you know, deep diving into this 74 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.960 stuff and wrote my first book this year at the 75 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.479 Epic of esau Verse right and seed War, and it's 76 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.560 just a journey man we're all on this this hero's journey. Man, 77 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.080 and mine's just like everybody else's. I'm figuring it out 78 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:16.560 as I go. 79 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.240 That's it, man, and it is. It's a it's a journey. 80 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:25.439 But it's funny because the anaky and the Watchers, fallen angels, 81 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.800 whatever you want to reference some of as. That's a 82 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:33.000 lot of people start into into the conspiracy journey, especially 83 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:34.919 from the Biblical side of things. 84 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.319 Mm hmmm, yep, yep. Now I love compared to mythology. 85 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.199 I'm I'm that type of person that when I see 86 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:48.000 the same story throughout time, throughout culture, throughout the continents. Uh, 87 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.719 it's just there has to be something to it. And 88 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.599 I think it all stems from like an ancient source. 89 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.800 So I love looking at all the ancient myths around 90 00:03:56.800 --> 00:03:59.319 the world and see how they all rhyme and match up. 91 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:04.120 And uh. And some Christians are or I'm sorry, some 92 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.599 non believers will we'll see these similar stories and used 93 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:11.000 as ammunition to you know, try to debunk your your faith. 94 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.000 But me, I'm just that person that it strengthens my 95 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.199 faith personally, it reassures my. 96 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.240 Faith, uh, because I tell people. 97 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.199 Uh, the creator of the universe, Uh, for us to 98 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.800 say that he remained silent to his creation and didn't 99 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.759 speak to anybody except a small handful of people in 100 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.480 the Levant, I think is pretty pompous. I think he 101 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.439 showed himself and gave hints of himself throughout the world 102 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:38.879 that way, you know, like preconditionings that way. When he 103 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.120 did show up, everybody was familiar with the with the story. 104 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:50.279 So I love that stuff, didn't they say in the Bible? 105 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.680 Like you know, I grew up a Catholic, and I 106 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:55.800 know in the Bible it says, you know, the water below, 107 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:00.959 the water above, and the water below, and that there's 108 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.040 a we're basically under a dome. I mean, what is 109 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:05.920 your belief on the flat earth in that whole theory. 110 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.199 I'm just curious with how you grew up as a Christian. 111 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:14.079 Well, I grew up complete normy. You know, I didn't 112 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.399 even know about the Genesis six fallen angels coming down 113 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.040 and breeding with men. I was always taught that that 114 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.439 was basically the good line of Seth were the sons 115 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.720 of God, and they bred with the daughters of Cain, 116 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.839 which were wicked, and that union made spiritually wicked people. 117 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.279 So that's how Genesis six was explained to me. 118 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.199 So I grew up real you know, quote unquote normy, 119 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.399 real vanilla in my theology, but I got exposed to 120 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.519 all this stuff though me personally, I think flat Earth 121 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.879 they raised a lot of good, you know, questions and 122 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.399 point to some things that are kind of ambiguous and 123 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.600 don't really have a good answer for. But I'm just 124 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.040 not sold on it yet. Yeah, but I tell people 125 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:03.720 it is definitely a biblical theme. That is how they 126 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.399 describe it in the Bible, and that's what they believed. 127 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.079 And I just tell people that's because some people get 128 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.639 really worked up and they're like, you're not a Christian 129 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.560 if you don't believe in flat Earth because it says 130 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.399 it the Bible and you're choosing a science book over 131 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.680 your Bible. And I try to tell people I'm like 132 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.879 me personally. I use the example of you as a 133 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.079 kid asking your parents about where the babies come from. 134 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:29.959 When you're a baby, you're not ready for that kind 135 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.319 of information. So they tell you, oh, when a man 136 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.879 loves a woman, they kiss, and a bump appears, or 137 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.279 a stork drops it off at your door. You know, 138 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.319 you get all these g rated stories that your little 139 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.360 mind can understand, And I think God's the same way 140 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.160 that he meets you where you're at. 141 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.120 And those people that was their worldview. 142 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:48.920 They thought it was flat and that you could sell 143 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.360 off the end and fall off into the abyss. And 144 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.040 he just kind of, you know, he just spoke to 145 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.000 him in language in terms that they already understood, because 146 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.959 our minds are so small we couldn't grasp. 147 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.920 But anyway, Yeah, no, I mean, I think I think 148 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.040 there could be a firmament of some sort, but I 149 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.439 think it would be surrounding the whole earth type, you 150 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:12.439 know what I mean in a way. 151 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.079 Yeah, And I've even a canopy theory. 152 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:20.199 If you've talked to or heard doctor Kent Hovin, he 153 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.120 talks about it, and he thinks that it was once 154 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.959 like a pressureized system and that when the windows of 155 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.120 heaven burst forth, that that firmament broke and that water 156 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.439 canopy broke, and that's where all that water comes from 157 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.079 coming down. 158 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.040 Then the water from the byst burst and forth. 159 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:39.600 But the scientists have recreated what they thought would be 160 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.040 the ideal conditions of that, and they pressureized like this 161 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.360 aquarium and they put plants in it and lizards and 162 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.680 all these different things and the research showed that the 163 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.000 oxygen levels were highly concentrated and rich, and that the 164 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.120 animals and plants inside that pressure eye system grew exponentially 165 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.800 compared to their counterparts. It kind of goes with the 166 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.920 Bible backing up. You know that there were giants on 167 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.439 the Earth in those days, and that they lived almost 168 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.040 a thousand years and all this kind of you know, Narnia, 169 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.639 Lord of the Ring stuff, because this pressureized system sustained 170 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:14.120 that kind of life. 171 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.240 Yeah, it's crazy. 172 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:23.240 Yeah, I'm a big fan of the theory. Like I 173 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:27.120 always think, I don't necessarily if it's the firmament, but 174 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.959 we're in Like I guess I always think of like 175 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.120 an old school like hockey table, like an air hockey 176 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.600 table with a little a little dome above it. I 177 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.919 guess that's kind of how I picture it. But now 178 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.039 I'm starting to think like outer space. I've seen some 179 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.919 some theories, and outer space is just like outside of 180 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.360 what we can't get to, Like we're in the inner 181 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:53.360 circle and like there's no actual outer space, outer spaces 182 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.840 out of the space we're not allowed to go. 183 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.559 Basically, well, I mean I don't know if I mean, 184 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.759 there's rovers on Mars and everything I know, supposedly, but like, 185 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.759 I mean, it isn't like they're like the radiation belt, 186 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.679 Like really when you when you try to go through 187 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.960 that thing, like you basically anything explodes. They say, like 188 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.080 what fan Van, That's what I'm talking about. I mean, 189 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.320 it's really tough to actually get into outer space. All 190 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.840 the pictures you see, they're actually like in our orbit, 191 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:30.120 you know, the pictures you see from NASA. So I 192 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.080 don't know, man, the firmament is is an interesting Uh 193 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:35.879 is interesting to think about for sure. 194 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.159 I mean everything does curve, right, like all the rockets curve. 195 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.320 The rainbow curves. 196 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.799 The rainbow is an interesting Yeah. When you look at 197 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:51.559 a rainbow, it looks like it follows follows the dome 198 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:56.399 like it really does. Like the reflection kind of uh yeah, yeah. 199 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.039 That was one of the interesting things that kind of 200 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.759 got me, you know, wrist or scratching my head because 201 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:06.000 they talk about how, uh, when light shines through a prism, 202 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.399 that that light coming through takes on the shape of 203 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:15.039 the of the prism that it is coming through. So 204 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.120 they you know, they took like a like a domed 205 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.039 you know, prism and shined a light through it. And 206 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.440 sure enough it you know, the the light coming through 207 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.000 was was arc like a rainbow. 208 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:27.919 Yeah, and then like the water too, like you ever 209 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.519 see them do the experiment with like the cup of 210 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:33.799 water and then like the light and then like the 211 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.159 the glass which would be the dome, and they make 212 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.399 they make the rain right exactly like the rainbow swirls, 213 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:44.559 which I mean is actually like what they say is 214 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.320 water is on the outside of the firmament. If that's 215 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:48.840 what they say. Look up at the. 216 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.440 Stars, the stars look like the blurry like looking at 217 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.120 it the light, the swimming pool s thing. 218 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.159 I mean, it would be interesting if outer space is 219 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.519 actually like more of a liquid. 220 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.279 I mean at this point though, like you know, we 221 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.000 know everything we've been taught and growing up, grow up 222 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.919 to be taught as you know, ninety it's bullshit. 223 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.799 Mum hum, you want us to know unfortunately, waste our time? 224 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:14.840 Yeah. 225 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:20.000 First, sure, what if the part where they say like 226 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:23.039 eighty percent of the deep waters have been undiscovered, what 227 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:24.440 if they're talking about space? 228 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.720 Mm hmm, I mean isn't that didn't we go didn't 229 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:32.080 we say that before, like a long time ago, that 230 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.679 NASA when they first started they were they were researching 231 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:43.320 with the water. Yeah, right, and then they. 232 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:43.360 To the sixties. 233 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:47.399 Yeah, yeah, I've seen a real uh oh here. It's 234 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.679 it's been within the last year. But it was pretty 235 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.279 funny and it made you think. But it showed these 236 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.559 two guys like they're stoned and they're kind of, you know, 237 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.799 philosophizing back and forth, you know, trying to have these 238 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.399 deep conversations. And then I don't know how they got there, 239 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.679 but they got on the subject of fish and they 240 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.720 were talking about the fish and how you know, their 241 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.840 ecosystem is made just for them. And he's like, well, man, 242 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.039 do you think that the fish can see the water? 243 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.120 And the other guy's like, no, probably not, you know, 244 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.559 and all this kind of stuff. And he's like, well, 245 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.840 you know, the Bible talks about a firmament and that 246 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.799 you know, there was water above, and you know, he's like, 247 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.840 what if we are just like the fish and we 248 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.360 are in water, but we just don't see the water, 249 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.440 and then up above is God or another race looking 250 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.039 in our pond, asking if we see the water too. 251 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.679 Right, No, I mean if you think about it too, 252 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:44.960 and they're I. 253 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:50.519 Mean, it's just like abducted right now. 254 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:53.600 I mean, it's an interesting theory. 255 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.000 You know, you got to ask Travis Walton how he 256 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.879 felt when you got snatched up. So, doc, Man, what 257 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.919 made what inspired you to start writing the book? 258 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.279 Honestly it was I had mentioned Tray Smith. 259 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.159 He was the guy that kind of red peeled me, 260 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.240 and I was fortunate enough to have him on my 261 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:16.440 show and we were talking and hanging out, and he 262 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.639 had mentioned, oh, well, you're from East Tennessee, that's bigfoot country. 263 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.080 You know, next time I'm up that way, we'll go 264 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:25.440 on a bigfoot hunt. And I was aware of bigfoot. 265 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.120 I mean, it's a big thing here in East Tennessee 266 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.000 and the Appalachis. You know, every gas station, every country 267 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.080 store has bigfoot t shirts and stickers and all that 268 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.320 kind of stuff. But I was never what you would 269 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.279 call a bigfoot enthusiast at all. I hadn't watched any documentaries, 270 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.840 I hadn't listened to any podcasts on it. I just 271 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:47.759 kind of knew the general view. And while we were talking, man, 272 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.159 just out of nowhere, Genesis twenty five, twenty five popped 273 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.120 into my head. And for those it's not familiar, it 274 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.399 just says the first one came out red, covered in 275 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.600 hair from head to toe like a Harry cloak. 276 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:05.159 And I was like, Damn, that sounds pretty squatchy to me. 277 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:06.639 That sounds like bigfoot. 278 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.000 Yeah, if we just let it say what it says, 279 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:10.679 you know, he was covered in hair from head to 280 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.879 toe like a cloak, and it was red hair. I mean, 281 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.399 if we took that descriptor and told somebody we saw 282 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.519 this out in the woods without hesitation, everybody'd say, you've 283 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.120 seen a bigfoot or a sasquatch. 284 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.919 So I asked Trey. I was like, Trey, what do 285 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:25.279 you think. 286 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.480 About Esau from the Bible? And he kind of looked confused, 287 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:31.799 and I'm like, well, we're talking about Bigfoot. It says 288 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:33.639 that he come out red, you know, covered in hair. 289 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.320 Do you think maybe he might have been the first 290 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:39.840 documented bigfoot anyway? And he kind of laughed and he's like, 291 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:41.840 I don't know, he said, but he would definitely was 292 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.159 a Harry. Dude, you might be onto something. And it 293 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.720 was the next week I had Gary Wayne on and 294 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.039 we were talking about the epic of Gilgamesh and I 295 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.480 bumped into this guy named Inky Doo described just like Esau, 296 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:55.759 covered in hair from head to. 297 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:57.679 Toe, and he was known as a wild man. 298 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:02.120 Just like Esau a Mighty. And I'm like, here's another 299 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.000 freaking bigfoot in an ancient text, you know, And just 300 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.360 one thing led to the other, and I just kept 301 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.919 finding them, and so I was like, man, I got 302 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.159 to search this thing out. So then that just sent 303 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.200 me on almost two year deep guy reading all the 304 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.120 extra biblical sources I could get my hands on. Lewis 305 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.320 Ginsburg Legends of the Jews. That's a six book series 306 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.840 that he went through and collected all of their legends, 307 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.480 all their lore and mythology, and just combined them all 308 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.919 into these six books. And I went through and read 309 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.159 those two and honestly, I just kept finding pieces of 310 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.240 this guy's story. The Bible just gives you a little 311 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.960 blurb about him, but these other texts, man, they feel 312 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.080 in the rest of the story. So it's kind of 313 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:49.960 like somebody busted his story up and scattered it in 314 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:51.919 all these other books. So it just kind of sent 315 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.240 me on a treasure hunt trying to find and gather 316 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:54.960 all the pieces. 317 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:59.679 Man, Like they didn't want it to be told, honestly. 318 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:01.559 Yeah, Because even like when you get into the Bible, 319 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.279 like where it talks about the Amalekites, and I can't 320 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:05.320 remember the other race. 321 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:09.480 But you know they say God says. 322 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.960 That he will blot out their memory. You know, he 323 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.679 don't want Tom remember, and he was going to, you know, 324 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.360 try to blot their names out of the genealogies and 325 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.440 the history books and things like that. And I think 326 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.080 that's kind of what they did with this guy. And 327 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.440 they left him really ambiguous because a lot of the 328 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:30.120 ancient texts say he was a serpent seed. And when 329 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.120 you read his story, there's a lot of things in 330 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.600 there that don't make sense, like for me, the trading 331 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.600 of the birthright. That's that famous story where he you know, 332 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.519 he's the eldest son, he's supposed to inherit everything, but 333 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.679 one day he says, he just comes in from the 334 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.720 field exhausted and trades his birthright to his brother for 335 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:49.399 a bowl of soup. But then when he trades it, 336 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.600 he makes like this little caddy comment that's honestly just 337 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.159 out of left field. Never made sense to me. And 338 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.039 he says, what use is a birthright to me? When 339 00:16:59.080 --> 00:16:59.679 I am dead? 340 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.079 Take it? And I'm like, well, that's pretty melodramatic for 341 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.440 number one. If I was you. 342 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.319 Donald Trump's firstborn son, and I'm about to inherit the 343 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.240 millions of dollar billions of dollars and all the real 344 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.559 estate and everything else. And I come in from trading 345 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.079 stocks all day and I see my little brother sitting 346 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000 on a couch eating a bag of Doritos, and I'm like, hey, r, 347 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:22.799 I'm hungry. Could I get some chips from you? And 348 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.480 He's like, yeah, sure, sign over the company and everything you're. 349 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:25.960 Going to inherit. 350 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.960 And then I'm like, ay, sure, what uses all that 351 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.240 stuff to me when I'm dead? Give me those gridos? Hell, 352 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.240 no nobody ever do that. But all them stories though, 353 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.640 when you give to reading these other books, they feel 354 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.680 in the dots and it makes perfect sense, honestly. 355 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.000 And then so to me. 356 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.440 I tell people, I think these extra biblical books and 357 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:52.079 scrolls and legends and things are extremely important because back 358 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.880 then this is an ancient text. These ancient people were 359 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.720 well aware of these other stories and legends and lore. 360 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.200 So when they were writing this book, I think they 361 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.640 just kind of hit the high notes because they didn't 362 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.640 want to theoretically beat a dead horse. They were like, oh, hell, 363 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.519 everybody knows about Esau because we got the Book of 364 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.039 jash Or, we got this, this, and this. We don't 365 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.480 need to rehash that. But you know, because they weren't 366 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.119 thinking of us thousands of years later that some of 367 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.759 these books and legends and stuff would be taken away 368 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:22.519 from us. 369 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.519 It was the one go ahead, right. Sorry. 370 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:28.119 I was going to say, why do you think they 371 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.160 framed them as like a villain though? Did they like 372 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:31.599 frame them as like the bad guy? 373 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:33.039 Uh? 374 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:33.400 Yeah? 375 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:34.920 And I think that's what it is, because like when 376 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.119 you get into those other books they come out which 377 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:39.720 the Bible paints him as a bad guy, but then 378 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:41.920 when you get into the other extra Biblical books and 379 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.519 things like that, they also paint him as a bad guy, 380 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.119 but they go a step further and say that he 381 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.839 was of the devil, he was a serpent seed, and 382 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.440 even the Bible even hints at that. You know, once 383 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.160 I seen it, you know, it's kind of I tell 384 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.559 people's kind of like that red Honda Civic. You never 385 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.920 see the red Honda Civic till you buy the red 386 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.880 on the SI then you see them everywhere. But in 387 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.160 that story, if you guys, remember the Curse of the Garden. Okay, 388 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.680 and back then these were scrolls, they didn't have chapters 389 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:14.839 and all this kind of stuff. It was just one document. 390 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.880 So in Genesis three point fifteen, that's the curse of 391 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.279 Adam and even this serpent, and what does he say. 392 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:28.759 He says, I will put enmity between her seed and 393 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.519 thy seed, talking to the serpent, so it's saying outright, 394 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.000 he's going to have a seed and she's going to 395 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.160 have one, and they're going to be at war enmity 396 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.559 with one another. And he says one will bruise one's head, 397 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.039 but the other will bruise the other's heel. And so, 398 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.599 like I said, there was no chapters. This is just 399 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.400 a scroll. So you get just a couple verses down. 400 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.880 That's where you get Genesis twenty five, twenty five in 401 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:00.160