Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of
Speaker 1: the Poker Go Podcast. And my name is Donnie Peters.
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth. I promised you guys on
Speaker 1: the last episode that we would get to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six SIP schedule, and we are here to do
Speaker 1: just that. Tim and I are going to run through
Speaker 1: some of our thoughts on the schedule, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: many of our listeners out there have already had their
Speaker 1: eyes on, but if not, we'll go through some of
Speaker 1: the notable changes, the additions, the subtractions. We'll hit on
Speaker 1: some of the events that we think are good, some
Speaker 1: of the things we think might not be so good.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about what we would want to play, you know.
Speaker 1: All that sort of stuff is coming in this episode.
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Speaker 1: Nick writing Sam Keikey kind of going at it a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, I don't know, I feel like
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Speaker 1: of attitude where he's gonna dish it out, He's gonna
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Speaker 1: it's also very nice to have have Nick Wright joining
Speaker 1: No Gamble of the Future, filling the seats, filling the
Speaker 1: void of Jeff Platt, who's now gone see you later, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know, you know dead to us. It wasn't too
Speaker 1: happy by the way, Jeff Platt on your uh you're
Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't gonna get into the Poker Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame.
Speaker 3: That was a may buddy, That was you. I led with,
Speaker 3: I lad with Jeff Platt lead.
Speaker 1: I would say Jeff is at.
Speaker 3: Least a step closer now, he's definitely a lot.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say many more steps closer then than
Speaker 1: he e asbid. He might be a favorite now I
Speaker 1: don't know just how wacky that thing is. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's get into the schedule here. The twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: BASITB schedule was announced earlier this week. One hundred gold
Speaker 1: Bracelet events of the live variety. We still don't know
Speaker 1: what's coming from the online variety. That always comes later.
Speaker 1: When that does get announced, Tim and I will hit
Speaker 1: on it. Everything kicks off on May twenty sixth. Very
Speaker 1: similar dates is going to run May twenty sixth through
Speaker 1: July fifteenth. I mentioned the one hundred live bracelet events.
Speaker 1: Another couple of nuggets here from the official news announcement.
Speaker 1: A daily free stream is going to start on May
Speaker 1: twenty sixth and run until the main event. They pointed
Speaker 1: out an improved TV set that is going to be
Speaker 1: in Paris Las Vegas, which the set before was actually
Speaker 1: in the Horseshoe side of things takes place at Horseshoe
Speaker 1: and Paris, but everything was on Horseshoe. Now they're moving
Speaker 1: it over to the Paris side, which is going to
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think it'll be better, yes, but it'll
Speaker 1: just be interesting. You know, people come in there expecting
Speaker 1: it to be one place because it has been that
Speaker 1: place for a couple of years and now switched. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing is that the WAB main event
Speaker 1: final table is going to be delayed, although they didn't
Speaker 1: really give too many details about it, so we don't.
Speaker 1: The only thing we know from the news release is
Speaker 1: that they're gonna set the final table the final nine
Speaker 1: on July thirteenth, and it was kind of just left
Speaker 1: like that's it, but come back at a later date.
Speaker 1: We don't know that later date.
Speaker 3: We don't know if it'll be three days they say none.
Speaker 1: I think they said play down to the final table, didn't.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know what, The August eighth has
Speaker 2: a nice little uh ring to it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's gonna still happen in July me
Speaker 1: personally not August. But you know, we can get we
Speaker 1: can get into that, so we'll hit on that topic
Speaker 1: as well. I guess let let's just start there, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's probably the biggest story to
Speaker 1: come out of this, is that the main event, Final Table,
Speaker 1: is being quote unquote delayed. I'm doing quotation marks for
Speaker 1: those that are listening just because, yeah, because we don't
Speaker 1: have the information. My guess is it's gonna take place.
Speaker 3: On July.
Speaker 1: I need to pull up my calendar. Actually, July, where
Speaker 1: are we looking? Twenty fifth is my guess, although I
Speaker 1: think that's a bad day to start it. But and
Speaker 1: my reasoning is that, isn't there this weird circuit thing
Speaker 1: that's announce.
Speaker 2: That which ends on July twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then maybe it'll take place the next sixth
Speaker 1: day after.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is put in there to bridge
Speaker 1: the gap between the two. I don't really know what
Speaker 1: gap you're bridging. I guess just to keep poker fans
Speaker 1: around in Las Vegas. I personally think that the the
Speaker 1: November nine concept, and it doesn't necessarily have to be November,
Speaker 1: but that's the name we of course gave it when
Speaker 1: it was first announced. But just the concept of delaying
Speaker 1: the Final Table to a later date by more than
Speaker 1: just a day because they have had that day off, right,
Speaker 1: I think. I think delaying it to a final date
Speaker 1: that's greater than a week is a good thing in
Speaker 1: theory and just needs to be executed better. The one
Speaker 1: part of the execution that I think worked when it
Speaker 1: was done is that you could you could relocate the
Speaker 1: stage to a larger theater and each Final Table member
Speaker 1: can have a large group of supporters there, which I
Speaker 1: thought that atmosphere was amazing when it happened, both being
Speaker 1: there in person for some of those and also I
Speaker 1: feel like that came through much better on the broadcast.
Speaker 1: I just felt like things were much more condensed when
Speaker 1: you were just keeping it on the stage. Not that
Speaker 1: the atmospheres weren't pretty electric, they just weren't as grand.
Speaker 1: And I want this thing to be as grand as possible.
Speaker 1: Part of being as grand as possible is, you know,
Speaker 1: I think bridging that gap in the time with additional
Speaker 1: media coverage is a very good thing. You just you
Speaker 1: really have to work at that. So let's see. Is
Speaker 1: it just going to be something where final table gets set,
Speaker 1: it gets announced, they say, okay, it's going to happen
Speaker 1: on this date, and then we don't hear much from
Speaker 1: these players, from media whatever. I mean. I remember when
Speaker 1: the member nine was first announced that we were floating
Speaker 1: around crazy ideas like we can get the chip leader
Speaker 1: on late night talk shows and like this, that and
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I don't think that. I think
Speaker 1: that that's, you know, too much of a of a
Speaker 1: pipe dream to ever happen. But you could do other things,
Speaker 1: you know, you could you could run them through the
Speaker 1: car washing in other ways, you know, and maybe you
Speaker 1: work with your broadcast partner to do that. I would
Speaker 1: love for that to happen. I think that that's ultimately
Speaker 1: going to be a good thing for poker, but it's
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of resources behind it. So
Speaker 1: I guess TBD on that front. But I like the
Speaker 1: fact that you do delay it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not going to matter how many
Speaker 2: days it is, right, if we're talking three or four days,
Speaker 2: we kind of do much in there. We're talking a
Speaker 2: week to ten days something like that. I think that's Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that what GG and WSP are doing with
Speaker 2: this is a like you said, probably, hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to fiddle with the set. We're going to make it
Speaker 2: bigger and grand and make it a really big TV production.
Speaker 2: But also I'm assuming they're going to have some stuff
Speaker 2: lined up for these players, you know, you know, media
Speaker 2: days and other kind of events to highlight you know,
Speaker 2: the players leading into you know, the conclusion of the
Speaker 2: final table.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know we're going to know the date.
Speaker 2: I think we will have to know the day before
Speaker 2: the World Series starts, right, Obviously you have to do
Speaker 2: it before the main event. But I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: GG ANDWSP dot com are probably starting online satellites soon.
Speaker 2: You probably want to have that day kind of locked
Speaker 2: in confirmed as quickly as you can, and then, you know,
Speaker 2: makes it a lot easier for people to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to play this satellite or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I think it's not necessarily that big
Speaker 1: of a deal to announce that date. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, yes, But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a necessity to start it to announce it like in
Speaker 1: the next week or something. I would say you definitely
Speaker 1: just wanted out before the Doabasity starts and then or
Speaker 1: maybe you know, you kind of do an announcement during
Speaker 1: the first days of Dobysity.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's yeah, that would work to I'm interested with
Speaker 2: the new set relocating to Paris. I think you know,
Speaker 2: we spend a lot of time at the Horseshoe on
Speaker 2: those feature tables. We've spent a lot of time walking
Speaker 2: to Paris, and the big difference is Horseshoe gets very
Speaker 2: hot once you're add in all those LED lights.
Speaker 3: It's a very warm venue. We've had players.
Speaker 2: Asks for air conditioners and all kinds of things when
Speaker 2: you go to Paris. You know some of those spots,
Speaker 2: you know, that far top right spot that we would
Speaker 2: walk through sometimes freezing cold, like the tundra. You got
Speaker 2: people in blankets and hoodies and everything. So you know,
Speaker 2: moving the final table there. You know, this is probably
Speaker 2: not even part of the plan, but you know, these
Speaker 2: final tables that get super hot due to those early
Speaker 2: d lights probably gonna get a little bit of a reprieve,
Speaker 2: which is probably a good thing that they no one's
Speaker 2: really planned for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I mean I like at the colder, the
Speaker 1: better so yeah, you're a weirdo. I mean, listen, you
Speaker 1: can always bundle up. You can only take so many
Speaker 1: clothes off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. And the one other thing I
Speaker 2: want to kind of the language they touched on. You know,
Speaker 2: they say like daily freeze stream from May twenty sixth
Speaker 2: until the main event. So the two things I see
Speaker 2: with that is, Okay, what's happening with the main event broadcast?
Speaker 2: What are they planning there? Because I feel like they
Speaker 2: would have just said, you know, daily free stream entire
Speaker 2: world series. And also they don't really mention, you know,
Speaker 2: poker play. They say free stream, and we've heard all
Speaker 2: kinds of things about breakdosk shows and daily shows, so
Speaker 2: maybe you know, we're going to see you know, them
Speaker 2: being very selective with what they're streaming, or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that was just the language they chose. They're going
Speaker 2: to be all in with multiple final tables every day,
Speaker 2: so a lot of that is still kind of TVD
Speaker 2: and it would be interesting to see kind of what
Speaker 2: they outline live stream wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. I didn't really read too much
Speaker 1: into that phrasing that you mentioned, but now that you
Speaker 1: pointed out, it is interesting because it does say a
Speaker 1: daily stream will be broadcast live on the official Diversity
Speaker 1: YouTube channel from May twenty six through to the start
Speaker 1: of the mean event. Yeah, that's so, that's that's an
Speaker 1: interesting way to phrase that. So what happens during the
Speaker 1: main event is, you know, it's likely and you're.
Speaker 2: Going to assume that if they're going to do a delay,
Speaker 2: it's probably got to do a lot with you know,
Speaker 2: the production, the distribution, and they're probably all going to
Speaker 2: tie that, like you said, into one more big announcement,
Speaker 2: you know, keep that. You know, we obviously have WSP
Speaker 2: Europe in Prague coming up in a couple of months
Speaker 2: where you know they want to Obviously this month is
Speaker 2: going to be dominated by WSP talk. It's going to
Speaker 2: fade a little bit in March, pick back up in
Speaker 2: April and then May. Everyone's getting ready, so maybe they're
Speaker 2: planning the announcement you know, March. Keep it's like kind
Speaker 2: of the NFL, how they're literally the talk of the
Speaker 2: news cycle the whole year round. You know, it's very
Speaker 2: smart for WSP to try and do the same thing
Speaker 2: and really dominate the poker news landscape, and you know,
Speaker 2: this is one way they can do it. You know,
Speaker 2: that like how they teased everyone last week on Friday
Speaker 2: with the the announcement of the announcement, right, and then
Speaker 2: they have the announcement on Monday. Then they've oh, there's
Speaker 2: still more to go, maybe two more weeks. We hear, oh,
Speaker 2: next week, we're announcing when the final table is. So
Speaker 2: you kind of can keep wsp like kind of at
Speaker 2: the top of everybody's you know, timeline for as long as.
Speaker 1: P All right, let's get into some of the additions
Speaker 1: and subtractions that happened on this year's schedule. Once again,
Speaker 1: one hundred Live Gold Bracelet events have been announced. So
Speaker 1: the events that are new this year for twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: we have the five hundred and fifty dollars Mystery Many
Speaker 1: Mystery Millions with a mystery bounty top prize, a top
Speaker 1: bounty prize of one million dollars. So and that's actually
Speaker 1: going to kick off the series, whereas last year kicking
Speaker 1: off the series in terms of like your Big Field
Speaker 1: Open event was the one thousand dollars Buying Mystery Millions tournament.
Speaker 1: That tournament is still on the schedule, it's just shifted
Speaker 1: to a later time period, right, And then they have
Speaker 1: this five hundred and fifty mini mystery millions to kick
Speaker 1: things off many. To me, I don't agree that it's many.
Speaker 1: If it's only half, I think you need to go
Speaker 1: three hundred or lower. But you know whatever, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how big that one gets. I mean,
Speaker 1: a five hundred and fifty dollars buy in is just
Speaker 1: I mean, that's going to track to everyone, right, So
Speaker 1: let's see how big this one gets. Obviously, dangling a nice,
Speaker 1: big fat carrot in front of everyone with that one
Speaker 1: million dollar guaranteed top bounty prize. I'm personally not a
Speaker 1: fan of playing mystery bounties. It's just me, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't like to I don't like to have a
Speaker 1: large portion of the prize pool taken out and basically
Speaker 1: thrown into this lottery over here. But I understand their
Speaker 1: place in poker, and I do agree that operators should
Speaker 1: certainly have them on their schedule because the masses love
Speaker 1: these damn things, absolutely love them. So I would expect
Speaker 1: this thing to be freaking enormous, and if there's an
Speaker 1: event on the schedule, it has a chance of, you know,
Speaker 1: setting a record in terms of largest ever live poker tournament.
Speaker 1: It's this one. I don't know if it will, but
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's definitely, you know, it definitely has a
Speaker 2: shot to kind of flirt with becoming the biggest you know,
Speaker 2: live field. I think where it was at twenty twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: the five hundred, big fifty twenty eight thousand players in that.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's not can't rule it out, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course you can't rule it out. So
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Guess what is the closest, Like I guess the closest
Speaker 2: thing recently would be probably, you know, with the one
Speaker 2: K Mistery millions in twenty.
Speaker 3: It's a pattern you're talking about size.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying in twenty twenty four the ONEK mistry millions,
Speaker 2: the you know, had eighteen thousand. Last year it had
Speaker 2: nineteen thousand and change. Obviously, so you're going to have
Speaker 2: to buy in still big prizes, you know, I think
Speaker 2: we I think we can probably safely say over twenty thousand, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say five six starting flights.
Speaker 1: I would say this one gets over twenty thousand. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's hard not to right.
Speaker 2: I feel like with you know, the six starting flights.
Speaker 2: Kicking off the World Series with this, I think we
Speaker 2: break that record.
Speaker 1: Do you think to break the record? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's hot. Take that seems insane to break the record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight three hundred and seventy one is the record.
Speaker 1: That's from the Big fifty. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: if we'll get that, man, I don't know that. That's
Speaker 1: just slot.
Speaker 2: The largest flight, okay for a five hundred dollar buying
Speaker 2: the World Series had was twenty nineteen. Okay, we had
Speaker 2: a nine thousand and a seven thousand for a five
Speaker 2: hundred buying. I've got six flights of these. All we
Speaker 2: need is, you know, three of those and two extra flights.
Speaker 1: What's the re entry rules on this this thing?
Speaker 2: The big question is also when is the do you
Speaker 2: get paid on that day? If you get paid on
Speaker 2: that day, that will definitely make it more likely to happen.
Speaker 1: Two re entries per flight.
Speaker 3: What do you play down to?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're making me look up structures now.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought you had it up.
Speaker 1: No, I had the main schedule page up, but I
Speaker 1: have the thing up now.
Speaker 2: Because if you can cash and cash and then buying
Speaker 2: the next day.
Speaker 3: It's a luck. Twenty eight thousands a luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, standard payouts start on day one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they probably play down a five percent, so
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere between seven and a half and well,
Speaker 2: it just.
Speaker 1: Just says no, it actually says day one is play
Speaker 1: twenty two levels.
Speaker 3: So it's similar to what they did last year, where.
Speaker 1: You'll get to the fifteen thousand and thirty thousand level.
Speaker 2: So normally I think you're in the money for a
Speaker 2: couple of levels, which will help the chance of us,
Speaker 2: you know, heating that twenty eight thousand numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean this is you know, it's
Speaker 1: going to be crazy to start things off, of course,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean this is the way you
Speaker 1: should kick off the World Series. Every year, was there
Speaker 1: sort of a massive field tournament? Shout out massive all right.
Speaker 1: We also have the ten k GG millions. Nolan would
Speaker 1: hold them high Roller as event number eleven on the schedule.
Speaker 1: Ten thousand dollars buy in there. Two starting flights.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna notice that this is a theme for
Speaker 1: some of these events. Additional starting flights, notably in a
Speaker 1: in a handful of these high rollers, where they went
Speaker 1: to two starting flights. Event number sixteen is the seventeen
Speaker 1: dollars US Circuit Championship, which is a tournament that I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I understand. Like, so I first see this
Speaker 1: and I see, okay, it's called DOWSIP event number sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen dollars Nolan maan HoldEm USSIP Circuit Championship. If it's
Speaker 1: an official divisipy event with a number, then that tells
Speaker 1: me it's a bracelet event.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, that's what I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Okay, But it's called the Circuit Championship. So is it
Speaker 1: also give a ring? Is it part of the circuit?
Speaker 1: Like what what is the relationship between this event and
Speaker 1: the circuit? Also weird buy in? But but this is
Speaker 1: the buying that's used on in circuit events. Yes, also
Speaker 1: US is the world not allowed?
Speaker 3: It's Americans only?
Speaker 1: This is how this works. Like, I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: confused here. It's just kind of interesting that it's all
Speaker 1: like that. I'm assuming it's just it's just a divisipy event.
Speaker 1: It's a seven hundred dollars buying nolanman holdam divisipy event. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't the name is the name, but.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're trying to basically, you know, connect the
Speaker 2: WSP with you know, their little brother WSP circuit. This
Speaker 2: is kind of a way to put it more in
Speaker 2: front of people. They did this a WSP paradise for
Speaker 2: people qualifying.
Speaker 1: How does this how does this make that connection other
Speaker 1: than the name, like like how like what does it.
Speaker 3: Actually buy in in the name.
Speaker 2: I really think that might might just be it, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's much more kind of outside of
Speaker 2: that to be.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like, if you're really going to connect it,
Speaker 1: you need to like qualify people. You start with the name,
Speaker 1: and like every person that cash is gets a ticket
Speaker 1: to play a circuit event or like like you know,
Speaker 1: like actually like connect the dots.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, I agree.
Speaker 2: I guess that's maybe they have more future plans where
Speaker 2: they you know, they couldn't roll in. Maybe the plan
Speaker 2: is that is to award packages, et cetera. But you
Speaker 2: know that's something they could really do on this short notice.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's the plan for you know, the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven well was there's Poko bet I.
Speaker 1: Already know after this podcast, we're going to get several
Speaker 1: messages from our friend Jeff Plat. Jeff, forgive us for
Speaker 1: all the nonsense we're about to say, but you will
Speaker 1: correct us afterwards. Happy to have you on at any point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, idiots, but.
Speaker 1: You're still not getting into the Hall of Fame. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But other than that, other than that, all good. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So nove number sixteen, the seventeen hundred dollars US Circuit
Speaker 1: Championship us ws AP Circuit Chance. That's a whole freaking mouthful.
Speaker 1: Event Number fifty three the fifteen hundred dollars five card
Speaker 1: PLO event that should do very well. I would guess
Speaker 1: the even number ninety one another PLO. This one's pick
Speaker 1: your PLO. It's a dealer's choice PLO format where you
Speaker 1: can pick PLO PLO, eight, five card PLO or big O.
Speaker 1: So four games in the rotation.
Speaker 2: I'm similar to what we did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't put double board. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you could put double board in there. I also think
Speaker 2: you could put six card PLO. I guess I'm pretty
Speaker 2: Six card.
Speaker 1: PLO is available on dobs ap dot com.
Speaker 3: How many handed do you play?
Speaker 2: Sixto can only play No, you can't play nine handed,
Speaker 2: so you can only play eight So that's probably maybe
Speaker 2: an issue.
Speaker 1: Well, then make the tournament eight hand I mean, how
Speaker 1: many people are going to be playing this tournament that
Speaker 1: you can't make it eight handed?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and then I know it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's this doesn't count as bracelets right this next correct,
Speaker 1: But we're putting it on here just to talk about
Speaker 1: as you know, new events as part of THESP Extravaganza
Speaker 1: throughout the summer. Is that July fourteenth through twenty fifth
Speaker 1: is the Summer Circuit Series. So maybe that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe in this Circuit Championship you win some sort of
Speaker 1: ticket to play in the Summer Circuit Series like something
Speaker 1: like that. I think that's like the tie or somehow.
Speaker 2: And they do that schedule at that's eighteen events. There's
Speaker 2: a five K hyroller, there's a three K hiroller, there's
Speaker 2: a two k hiroller, and obviously the seventeen hundred main event.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's very much a very typical circuit stop.
Speaker 2: You know, they've got the four hundred dollars mini main event,
Speaker 2: they got six hundred dollars buy ins Nightlely, Deep Stacks Satellite,
Speaker 2: It's Monster Stacks Plo Ladies events. So it's very very
Speaker 2: much a circuit event, and and you know, the buy
Speaker 2: ins outside of obviously there's hirollers are kind of what
Speaker 2: you would expect for any kind of US based circuit stop.
Speaker 1: So those are the new events, plus that that new
Speaker 1: series that's going to take place all during the summer.
Speaker 1: And then we have, of course some events that are
Speaker 1: no longer with us. Rip rip to the nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: nine Poker Hall of Fame Bounty, Goodbye. I hate this event.
Speaker 1: I'm happy it's gone. See you later. The seven hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy dollars Lucky Sevens event is no more, which
Speaker 1: also awarded a first place priorly of seven hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy seven seven and seventy seven dollars, So that's gone.
Speaker 1: This one might strike a chord with some people. The
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars Limit Hold Them is gone? Are we
Speaker 1: just trying to kill limit hold Them?
Speaker 3: You should?
Speaker 1: Who changed one of our horse events to tours which
Speaker 1: has also been which also happened last year at the
Speaker 1: would be the three K Horse became the three K Tors.
Speaker 1: Correct that that happened.
Speaker 3: People are just.
Speaker 1: Trying to kill limit hold them instead kill it.
Speaker 2: Look, they still have two other limit hold them events.
Speaker 2: They've only always had like the last few years.
Speaker 1: Three So what are the they have fifteen hundred and
Speaker 1: ten k's that.
Speaker 2: Ten and ten K they used to have this three K.
Speaker 2: I think they may have done a limit shootout before too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a that that's a wild for
Speaker 1: level years three K one, it's three K six max.
Speaker 3: It's the six max.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this one should stay. This one should have stayed,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I mean we should have looked at the numbers,
Speaker 1: but like, was it well at ten? Did I feel
Speaker 1: like this one was well attended?
Speaker 3: It's limit hold them. It's not ever going to be
Speaker 3: well attended.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you should have had the fifteen hundred,
Speaker 1: the three K six max limit hold them, and the
Speaker 1: ten K limit hold them all in the same week.
Speaker 3: Yes, agreed.
Speaker 1: Another event that's gone, which I saw a fair amount
Speaker 1: of chatter about people saying like they're kind of bummed
Speaker 1: that this event is gone, the fifty hundred dollars no
Speaker 1: limit hold them shootout rip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shootout.
Speaker 2: They improved it last year by adding the day one
Speaker 2: b option, Yeah, I think and everyone loved that and which.
Speaker 1: That's weird to like make that improvement. Yeah, like you're
Speaker 1: basically like you're kind of investing into the event more
Speaker 1: and it did well and then now it's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a very popular event. Obviously, there's
Speaker 2: you know, let's let's think of it from the operator side,
Speaker 2: there's no re entries, I mean outside of that other flight.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's basically a freeze out. It does
Speaker 2: take you know, you can't break tables. Your tables have
Speaker 2: to finish out. So from a legacy, it's great money
Speaker 2: maker for the WSP but I think it's a vital
Speaker 2: part of you know, the WSV schedule.
Speaker 1: And then this event is is still there, but it's
Speaker 1: just has a name change. The six hundred dollar Poker
Speaker 1: News Deep Stack Championship has been renamed to the six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars Deep Stack Championship, so just dropping Poker News
Speaker 1: from that. So I'm curious there. I'm guessing Poker News
Speaker 1: isn't going to have the same involvement with the Deep
Speaker 1: Sacks as a whole as they did last year. They
Speaker 1: did a whole bunch of coverage for it. They gave
Speaker 1: out little medallions if you made fund labels, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So I'm guessing that that part of
Speaker 1: things might be going away as well, which you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think is like the biggest deal, but notable,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: It's it's notable, and I think it's you know, obviously
Speaker 2: the deep stacks that Pokernese are doing extended coverage of.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a it's a smaller buying.
Speaker 2: It appeals to a certain play a pool, and I
Speaker 2: think it's still important to highlight that. So it is
Speaker 2: a shame for you know, that playpool not to have
Speaker 2: such a highlight on on those daily deep stacks. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, that one's just a little bit of a rename,
Speaker 2: but it's still there, still probably in a event that's
Speaker 2: going to be worth playing. Good structure late in the series.
Speaker 1: Now, I think that there's one event or one format
Speaker 1: of an event that they are missing. Actually I think
Speaker 1: there's two or three, and I'll try and rank these
Speaker 1: Mystery Bounty, oh my god, did you imagine a limit
Speaker 1: hold of mystery?
Speaker 3: Good Lord?
Speaker 1: I think I'll try and list these in terms of priority.
Speaker 1: One is I think that they're missing a PKO. Now,
Speaker 1: I know you and I have talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past. I think we've talked about it on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was last summer or some other time. But
Speaker 1: you know, logistically at the ws AP, when the fields
Speaker 1: are just so much bigger than everywhere else, it's got
Speaker 1: to be extremely difficult to operate a PKO. So my
Speaker 1: solution there would be you do a PKO of a
Speaker 1: very high buy in twenty five K, fifteen K, you know,
Speaker 1: something just very very high, which I think a lot
Speaker 1: of those players would love, absolutely love, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a little bit more contained because it's a it's a smaller,
Speaker 1: more exclusive field. So I think like a twenty five
Speaker 1: K p KO would be sick. So I think that's
Speaker 1: something that I, you know, I would have wanted them
Speaker 1: to add, And you know, I think it's a miss
Speaker 1: to not have another one. Is I think your addition
Speaker 1: to the mix series, the Big Bet Mix. They don't
Speaker 1: have one of those, do they they.
Speaker 3: Have a.
Speaker 2: No, I think they did, Yeah, twenty five hundred Big Mix.
Speaker 2: Well they call it mixed Big Bet, Yes they did.
Speaker 2: They've had that for a while.
Speaker 3: Games is it same same games we had in the
Speaker 3: mix series.
Speaker 1: Okay, sweet, forgive me there, I'm an idiot for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that that included. I think five card
Speaker 1: high is what I was thinking of, But that one,
Speaker 1: I also think that.
Speaker 3: You could you could do a big buying of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you could do a ten k
Speaker 1: like I could. I think I think I've always kind
Speaker 1: of said this, but like, if you're gonna have one
Speaker 1: one event of a variant, you just go for like
Speaker 1: the twenty five hundred or the three k price point.
Speaker 1: But then if you're gonna have two, you go fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred and ten k, And I think they've kind of
Speaker 1: always followed that plan, which I really liked. So like,
Speaker 1: I think you could go fifteen hundred and then I
Speaker 1: think you could go ten k for this, Like that
Speaker 1: would be kind of cool. And the other one is
Speaker 1: I still I'm still a sucker for the Triple Stud.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna be forever a sucker for the
Speaker 1: Triple Stud.
Speaker 2: So just you know, you know, you talk about like
Speaker 2: putting the limit hold them together, you could definitely put
Speaker 2: you know, the raz Stud side of high lower smaller
Speaker 2: buyings within a wake. The next week, you do the
Speaker 2: bigger buyings. You can definitely do that. There's definitely well
Speaker 2: for a triple stud.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: I would be curious if I don't really know how
Speaker 1: you would test this, but I actually just doing it
Speaker 1: and testing it and seeing the data, and I kind
Speaker 1: of think that things will eventually move this way in
Speaker 1: however many years. But that's that the ten K Championship,
Speaker 1: seven Card STUAD events, so stud stud, high, low, and
Speaker 1: ras are eventually gone and you just have a triple stud.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm in the ten K binds or all of them.
Speaker 1: Like, so instead of having one of each, you would
Speaker 1: just have one event with all three and then that
Speaker 1: basically opens the window for like two other events at
Speaker 1: a time period. Now, I don't know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I would want to test it this because like
Speaker 1: I don't know what would do better numbers wise, but
Speaker 1: like you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think the individual ones would do better, to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there's there's definitely like stud specialists and specialists.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I think I lean your way right,
Speaker 1: But I'm enough on the fence that I would probably
Speaker 1: want to try and test it, although I don't really
Speaker 1: know how to test it without actually just testing it
Speaker 1: and you could ruin things.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of think.
Speaker 2: I think the best way to test it, to be honest,
Speaker 2: is you you know you do like looking at where
Speaker 2: is it? You basically do your fifteen hundred horse. Then
Speaker 2: I would do a five K triple start, and then
Speaker 2: you do the ten K horse. I think that is
Speaker 2: a good I think you have to think of a
Speaker 2: good schedule spot as well, but that's where I might
Speaker 2: do it. I don't think, actually, why.
Speaker 1: Would you do five k? Normally when they test things
Speaker 1: like that, they do three k, like three k and
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that. I think we need more five ks.
Speaker 1: Also, don't. I don't disagree with your point about how
Speaker 1: like you know you have like stud experts or stud
Speaker 1: eight experts, et cetera. But if you were to get
Speaker 1: rid of the three and make it all just one event,
Speaker 1: don't those experts aren't they forced to play this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But I think he may not get them to
Speaker 3: play like I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I don't disagree, but also like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know because I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: when you have, for example, the twenty five K half
Speaker 1: and half, like you get nolam at Holdham experts that
Speaker 1: dive in, Like they won't play a twenty five K
Speaker 1: PLO straight up, but they'll dive into the half and
Speaker 1: half even.
Speaker 2: So that's why That's why I also said five K
Speaker 2: would be because like if your RAS game is not
Speaker 2: as proficient as your stud games, that you start high
Speaker 2: and stuid high low, you know, instead of a custing
Speaker 2: ten K, Like five K is a good prize point
Speaker 2: where the prize pool is going to be big. Now,
Speaker 2: like you said, why does it to be five? It
Speaker 2: could be three? Yeah, sure, I just like adding a
Speaker 2: few more different buying numbers, That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: I also want to point out that overall, I think
Speaker 1: the schedule is is good. It's also funny because you
Speaker 1: see it every year on social media and you know,
Speaker 1: people ask you and they talk about it in various
Speaker 1: poper circles. You know, when's the schedule coming out? When's
Speaker 1: the schedule coming out? I mean it's it's pretty much
Speaker 1: the same thing every year. Yeah, Like there's only like
Speaker 1: a few small changes. Yet everyone thinks it's like this
Speaker 1: monumental shift when it's just not.
Speaker 3: I think people expect monumental shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's it's it's just not at the
Speaker 1: end of the day like you can pretty much map
Speaker 1: out like exactly what the schedule is going to be,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Know the weekends are reserved for the big no limits
Speaker 2: and then you're going to stagger. You know, they're going
Speaker 2: to stagger events where there's where there's player overlapp. It's
Speaker 2: just like a giant puzzle piece really, and it's always
Speaker 2: going to be depending on the days of the week
Speaker 2: and what events they want to add new. And then
Speaker 2: you know last year they made one big change where
Speaker 2: they kind of added they added extra flys to some
Speaker 2: of these no limit events, so you know, these events
Speaker 2: stretch out longer. Now that has a ripple effect for
Speaker 2: every other event this year. We're going to touch on soon,
Speaker 2: you know, with more starting flights in some events and
Speaker 2: different ways they do Day two, there's a ripple effect
Speaker 2: you know, post that event and into other similar you
Speaker 2: know events with the buying and the game time.
Speaker 1: Something that also just popped into my head is because
Speaker 1: the set, the main stage is moving to Paris, I
Speaker 1: would assume that they're going to flip how they do
Speaker 1: like the big Field Day ones and stuff like, weren't
Speaker 1: a lot of those in Paris, and then now they're
Speaker 1: going to be in Horseshoe And my thinking is that
Speaker 1: that Horseshoe Hallway is a quarter of the size of
Speaker 1: the Paris so that that could be.
Speaker 3: Why they do that.
Speaker 2: You know, if people remember from last year they had
Speaker 2: what was it, maybe twenty five percent of the Paris
Speaker 2: room was dedicated to cash games. The only time they
Speaker 2: opened that for tournaments was on the really really big
Speaker 2: like Colossus Mystery Millions kind of days. So if they're
Speaker 2: moving the set to Paris, that's obviously going to take
Speaker 2: up say that entire area. Are they still going to
Speaker 2: keep cash game a cash game section there because in
Speaker 2: that limits, you know, the amount of tournament tables they
Speaker 2: can have twenty four seven, I'd put the cash. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no one cares about cash game. Let them go to
Speaker 2: Blagio anywhere else. You just worry about bracelets.
Speaker 1: So if well, I mean the bottom line might tell
Speaker 1: you to go f off there, buddy, Sure, yes, I
Speaker 1: mean the cash always look like they're doing pretty well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this day is we would will pass it
Speaker 2: on days it was five tables going, and then there's
Speaker 2: days where the whole thing was full. So it's obviously
Speaker 2: you know, eaves and flows. But yeah, I would try
Speaker 2: and have all tournament tables in there, and then you
Speaker 2: know you can run some of the big no limits
Speaker 2: stuff in there. You could also still have you know,
Speaker 2: the high buying event in the corner, you know mat
Speaker 2: with neither set or something. Then you have you know,
Speaker 2: day one a miss.
Speaker 1: My point that I was making last summer is that
Speaker 1: like a one K bracelet every night, like one table,
Speaker 1: let's just go. I mean, what if we're driving revenue,
Speaker 1: let's just drive the revenue to the freaking moon baby like.
Speaker 3: On you know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, I mean, you know, I'll hold it
Speaker 2: until we kind of give our thoughts, but yes, there's
Speaker 2: definitely a room for something similar to that.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into some of the event changes,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff that's stuff that's on the event still
Speaker 1: from on the schedule from past years, but you know
Speaker 1: there might be some adjustments that are made. First thing
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me this, this jumped out to
Speaker 1: me immediately when I I opened the schedule. The twenty
Speaker 1: five K Heads Up Championship is now two flights, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that wasn't two flights before? Right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And then I looked. Of course it wasn't. So they
Speaker 1: are moving to two flights. Each flight is going to
Speaker 1: be sixty four entries. Very interesting. I don't really know
Speaker 1: how I feel about it. You can play both flights.
Speaker 1: If you play flight A and bust, you can play
Speaker 1: flight B. So you know, you could be in this
Speaker 1: thing for fifty K as opposed to twenty five K initially,
Speaker 1: and you know, I reserve the right to change my mind,
Speaker 1: but initially I think not a good change. That's my
Speaker 1: first thought. I like the fact that this was capped
Speaker 1: at sixty four and if you missed it, you missed out.
Speaker 1: That's on you. Yeah, me, like so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I yeah, And if you have I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you have enough of an appetite, I would have
Speaker 1: probably pushed to raise the buy in versus adding a
Speaker 1: second flight first, like go to fifty K at sixty
Speaker 1: four entries one flight, versus keep it at twenty five
Speaker 1: K and add a second one. So yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think that this is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? I hate it.
Speaker 2: I hate going to the one twenty eight for several reasons.
Speaker 2: It's the biggest thing I'm going to say though. If
Speaker 2: you go back look at like twenty sixteen, seventeen, it
Speaker 2: used to be if you remember, a ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: buying heads up. In twenty nineteen we had one hundred
Speaker 2: and twelve entrance, so we didn't make the full we'll
Speaker 2: call it a double bracket. Twenty twenty one they upped
Speaker 2: the buying at twenty five k. That was the first
Speaker 2: year we went to twenty five, or not the first year,
Speaker 2: but we went up to twenty five. Didn't hit the
Speaker 2: sixty four. Obviously that was the year coming out of COVID,
Speaker 2: so yep, okay, maybe that was the thing. And then
Speaker 2: since then we've we've hit that max. Just going up
Speaker 2: to one twenty eight it just allows just is a
Speaker 2: bit of risk. I think the FOMO for this event
Speaker 2: is the best part. It's you know, when someone logs
Speaker 2: in and deposits all their money into WSP plus app
Speaker 2: and they want to play this. This is the first
Speaker 2: one they're registering because they need to be part of
Speaker 2: the sixty four. And the other issue is with the
Speaker 2: two flights on a different days. I think it affects
Speaker 2: the integrity of the tournament a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: And this was brought up on Twitter. This is not
Speaker 2: my thought. This was you know, reading someone much more
Speaker 2: intelligent than me. Is that you know, you can register
Speaker 2: for one B and by the way, if you bust
Speaker 2: one A, you can play one B. But you register
Speaker 2: one B and then you can just look at the
Speaker 2: updates you know, Twitter, Instagram, Poker News, Poka, dot Org,
Speaker 2: WSP whoever, see who made it. And then your decision
Speaker 2: to decide to oh, do I want to actually play
Speaker 2: one B or do I want to unregister can be
Speaker 2: swayed by who's kind of advanced. And now you can say, well,
Speaker 2: it's going to be different sides of the brackets. Yes,
Speaker 2: I would expect that to be different sides of the brackets,
Speaker 2: but these guys are smart enough to calculate have their
Speaker 2: ev changes whether you know this player makes it or
Speaker 2: this player makes it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It basically comes down to if you think that if
Speaker 1: you were to win your first match and then get
Speaker 1: thrown into that next group or whatever, that you know,
Speaker 1: win the matches to get into that next day whatever
Speaker 1: that is, if that's gonna be much harder than you
Speaker 1: originally thought, then you just on register and don't play.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how it goes. I think here,
Speaker 1: I think with this event, you could explore an online portion.
Speaker 3: Yeah I say this every and.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that starts at like five K or something,
Speaker 1: and like at some point they get merged into the
Speaker 1: field live, Like I think you could do that, and
Speaker 1: then this event could be freaking massive.
Speaker 2: I mean I've said this every year, and follows me
Speaker 2: on Twitter they would see my recent post talking about
Speaker 2: a heads up series. But I think the World Series
Speaker 2: is a perfect spot to run a five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: buying heads up on WSP dot com where you play
Speaker 2: down to say the final eight. You could do a
Speaker 2: five K version and a ten K version all online
Speaker 2: play down to the final eight or four whatever you
Speaker 2: think it is. You come to Vegas, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: it's the end of June. You finish that, and then
Speaker 2: after that is the twenty five k. So ideally you
Speaker 2: get some of those people that may have qualified for
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks in one shit ton of money jump
Speaker 2: in the twenty five K. I think I think police
Speaker 2: players like heads up tournaments because they're so rare. There's
Speaker 2: you know, one a year at the World Series. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think we see them at any other major stop.
Speaker 2: You know, there are obviously at places like the Lodge
Speaker 2: and stuff, but nothing like a major series will run
Speaker 2: aheads up tournament, and I think a five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: heads up tournament five K, ten K whatever it is
Speaker 2: as well, would be incredibly well attended and you know,
Speaker 2: do it online literally zero labor. So but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, one hundred and twenty eight,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four players, I think they'll I
Speaker 2: think they'll get there, right.
Speaker 1: You think they'll get there? I mean, well, actually, when
Speaker 1: you consider the when you consider the.
Speaker 2: The re entry entry aspect, if you're going to I
Speaker 2: think every I think I think every loser will nearly
Speaker 2: want to play. Like you know, who plays his heads up.
Speaker 2: It's not what people like just taking their shot. It's
Speaker 2: like heads up specialists. So I'm wondering how registration works.
Speaker 2: Can I register one A and one B and then
Speaker 2: if I make it through, I have to cancel my
Speaker 2: one B. I would expect, you know, the Adria Mataos
Speaker 2: and the Daniel and Grano's, et cetera, to all register
Speaker 2: both flights.
Speaker 1: What if you play Day one A and you bust
Speaker 1: and Day one b is full. You don't care, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why I think people, you know, like you, people
Speaker 2: are going to think about this straight away and they're
Speaker 2: going to look in their app and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can register both. I'll register both because I can
Speaker 2: always I can always just say cancel it and get
Speaker 2: all my money back so they don't miss out. That's
Speaker 2: what I would expect happened.
Speaker 1: Some other notable changes in terms of flights for events,
Speaker 1: the fifty Monster Stack and the fifteen dollars Millionaire Maker.
Speaker 1: They are both taking the approach that we saw at
Speaker 1: WSP Paradise for the Superman event.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, So basically what that means is you can play
Speaker 1: a day one flight, then play a.
Speaker 3: Day two flights, yes, the next lost.
Speaker 1: And then go back into a day one flight. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: that's how this that's how this is outlined.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts there.
Speaker 3: For the Millionaire Maker.
Speaker 2: I don't care as much for the Monster Stack, and
Speaker 2: I think I see I've seen the most stuff online
Speaker 2: relative was to the Monster Stack because.
Speaker 1: And the Monsters Deck used to be well it was
Speaker 1: it was freeze out per flight.
Speaker 2: Well, I think at one point it it was just
Speaker 2: a freeze out. It was it was only a day one,
Speaker 2: day two, day three. I'm talking like, you know, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Like the first year, it came out right and then
Speaker 2: it evolved. Okay, they added another flight, and now it's
Speaker 2: become this this event that's a bit more gimmicky when
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people and I said, this
Speaker 2: is the I'm directly quoting someone here, like this is
Speaker 2: a lot of people's main event, you know, the Monster Stack,
Speaker 2: good structure, deep structure. You know, basically it's a freeze
Speaker 2: out for them. And you know, obviously now they have
Speaker 2: the mini main event. But I think I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: done this for the month Stack. I would I would
Speaker 2: play around with the Millionaire Maker, the Colosses, the Mystery Millions.
Speaker 2: I would try and keep you know, a few more
Speaker 2: of these kind of better structured events, you know, like
Speaker 2: the Mini main event and the Monster Stack. So a
Speaker 2: little bit disappointed in there, but I get it. Like
Speaker 2: you know, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the WSP always want to well, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, they always want to make money, so this
Speaker 2: does help with that, but they always want to try
Speaker 2: and have big numbers for all their events, and this
Speaker 2: is a way to essentially get someone to play. They cash,
Speaker 2: they jump back in, they cash, they jump back in.
Speaker 3: You know, you could cash four.
Speaker 2: Times in the Millionaire Maker, And I think you know,
Speaker 2: if that's what if that if you can only come
Speaker 2: out for four or five days and you've only got
Speaker 2: a limited amount of money, you know, that's probably what
Speaker 2: you're going to spend it on and just lost away
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Monster Stack this year. So the first flight,
Speaker 1: flight A, will be on June third. Then then there's
Speaker 1: a flight every single day June third, June fourth, June fifth,
Speaker 1: June sixth. On June fourth, so the day after Flight A,
Speaker 1: that's when the first Day two is, and then there's
Speaker 1: a Day two on June fourth, June fifth, June sixth,
Speaker 1: June seventh. So you advance from flight A immediately the
Speaker 1: next day you hop into your Day two. If you
Speaker 1: were to bust that, you could just hop right back
Speaker 1: into flight B. So an original starting flight then you
Speaker 1: can basically repeat that process ye, and you can re
Speaker 1: enter once per flight. So there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of turnover in this event. A lot of people going
Speaker 1: for it, I would say that that that sort of structure.
Speaker 1: I have two things on the structure here. One is
Speaker 1: I think it's going to lend itself to better players
Speaker 1: performing better in the event, yes, which makes it harder
Speaker 1: for not as good players to win, which I think
Speaker 1: is a negative. I'm also just curious, is this a
Speaker 1: slow introduction to the thing that we saw at WSIP
Speaker 1: Paradise in the Super Main event starting to become more
Speaker 1: than norm for the Dobasip on the whole. They're starting
Speaker 1: it now with the Monster Stack and the Millionaire Maker, Like,
Speaker 1: is it going to just start coming into more and
Speaker 1: more events? Also, I think the Classus as well. Is
Speaker 1: the Clausus also doing this just basically it's going to
Speaker 1: be because the norm basically like eventually, It's not It's
Speaker 1: not like they're gonna make all events like this immediately,
Speaker 1: you know maybe, But is it like this year they
Speaker 1: have a couple, next year they have a couple more,
Speaker 1: and then it just builds and builds and builds. Is
Speaker 1: this is this gonna be the new norm?
Speaker 2: I think it might be for these so they're not
Speaker 2: give me the events like Marquee lower buying events. I
Speaker 2: think this could become the norm, except for like you know,
Speaker 2: when we talk about the Mystery Millions or the Mini Mystery,
Speaker 2: they won't have it for that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it could be.
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna have it for the Monster Stack,
Speaker 2: the Colossus, and the Millionaire Maker.
Speaker 3: And I would expect it to stay that way going forward.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not necessarius.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just asking a lot of bank rules.
Speaker 2: It's it's an expensive world series for you know, I
Speaker 2: think you and me kind of fit in that playpool
Speaker 2: of like those kind of buyings. Whatever you thought you
Speaker 2: were spending. You know, maybe you budgeted twenty five k
Speaker 2: or thirty K last year, that number is going to
Speaker 2: go up this year, or you're gonna have.
Speaker 3: To resume the events you want to play.
Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, you have to kind of look at
Speaker 2: it and be like, oh, well this this fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars months to stack really might be a twelvesand dollars tonament.
Speaker 2: All right, So okay, should I just say that Should
Speaker 2: I save that twelve k for the main event and
Speaker 2: the Mini Maine? You know, like I think people are
Speaker 2: going to have to make really conscious bankrow decisions with
Speaker 2: that that playpool.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the play a.
Speaker 2: Pool of those like Midstaks, guys that that maybe only
Speaker 2: have the twenty k that they're going to allocate to
Speaker 2: the WSP this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to watch
Speaker 1: it play out. I mean, I think it's also one
Speaker 1: of those things where, you know, kind of talking similar
Speaker 1: to what I talked about in the last podcast. Poker
Speaker 1: as a whole, I think there's just going to be
Speaker 1: a lag in seeing some stuff. So I think this
Speaker 1: year will be fine, you know, but if it just
Speaker 1: continues down this path, I mean, I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: only so much money.
Speaker 3: That people have.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's also point it's just going to
Speaker 1: come back to bite everyone.
Speaker 2: It's also a tough year to do it with the
Speaker 2: you know, the tax stuff is still not you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I mean, I personally think that that's
Speaker 1: just not going to come up this year. I think
Speaker 1: people are just still blasting because they're just blasting and
Speaker 1: then you know, if they get hit with the bigger
Speaker 1: tax bill where they can't write as much off, then
Speaker 1: they're going to realize, okay, I need to start pulling
Speaker 1: type of thing. The fifteen big o that added a
Speaker 1: second starting flight. You have the Seniors Championship added a
Speaker 1: day two, so they're doing the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you play flight day next day, you play your Day
Speaker 1: two while the other flight is playing. So I would
Speaker 1: imagine this seniors event, which always does freaking bonkers numbers
Speaker 1: every year, those numbers are going to go up. I
Speaker 1: would imagine. Yeah, you have the one K Mystery Millions
Speaker 1: added a nighttime turbo flight one each, Yeah, lasting that thing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you have both the the one K Mini main event,
Speaker 1: which is freeze out per flight. It was previously two
Speaker 1: starting flights, it's now three starting flights. And then you
Speaker 1: have the three K mid Stakes Championship. They also added
Speaker 1: a third starting flight there. So I think overall it's
Speaker 1: it seems like you're going to need a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a bank roll as you did in prior years.
Speaker 1: So you put the package together or something like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need, you know, a few extra bullets in
Speaker 1: the chamber to be able to get through the whole summer,
Speaker 1: So you know, just be prepared in that regard. And
Speaker 1: then you also have on the higher buying side, we
Speaker 1: already talked about the new edition being that ten KGG
Speaker 1: Million's high Roller coming in with two starting flights. Well,
Speaker 1: the twenty five K Nola at Holdham high Roller, the
Speaker 1: eight handed one that's also going to have two starting flights,
Speaker 1: and the twenty five K PLO high Roller is also
Speaker 1: going to have two starting flights, which is interesting, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that that's particularly interesting as you and
Speaker 1: I know you know, you certainly know just US players
Speaker 1: at least have talked about scaling back at the higher
Speaker 1: buying specific due to the tax thing. I mean, we
Speaker 1: saw it with we saw it with Jeremy Osmas. He
Speaker 1: played one bullet in the twenty five K Mixed Games Championship,
Speaker 1: didn't reenter because he's scaling back on on stuff above
Speaker 1: ten k. So are you gonna like, is is this
Speaker 1: the right move at the right time type of thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see. I think you're still gonna get
Speaker 1: enough of the non US blasters to be pumping up
Speaker 1: the prize sbol here of course, but you know, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, it's it's gonna be hard for someone like
Speaker 1: I mean, I just use Jeremy Osmas as an example
Speaker 1: because he's been out there talking about it and we
Speaker 1: saw it firsthand when he didn't pull a second bullet
Speaker 1: in that event where it's just like, is he just
Speaker 1: gonna be like kind of forced to to play this
Speaker 1: because the field is like the field and the prize
Speaker 1: board just like, oh man, really you're really forces my
Speaker 1: hand here. I gotta get back in.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, well, you know, I think this
Speaker 2: this event, I'm gonna pull it up, try and pull
Speaker 2: out right now. But this event previously was I believe
Speaker 2: two re entries.
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 2: Is someone just gonna that may have allocated, like say,
Speaker 2: Jeremy allocated you know, seventy five K to play this.
Speaker 2: Is he going to just allocate it differently? As in
Speaker 2: he might just do you know one late on day
Speaker 2: one A and then two on the day one B.
Speaker 1: It's one re entry perfectly, okay, Yeah, So maybe like
Speaker 1: what they instead of them, you know, maybe they're going
Speaker 1: to approach it differently.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about players being on time and
Speaker 2: that helps the tournament's kick up, but they may just
Speaker 2: wait so they you know, maybe they want to put
Speaker 2: one bullet in on one A and then then they
Speaker 2: just do you know one on one B. So I
Speaker 2: would expect this event number like field wise to go up,
Speaker 2: but not in the way where.
Speaker 3: You saw, you know, a second fight completely.
Speaker 1: How long? How long was this event last year?
Speaker 3: It's a street it was a street day.
Speaker 1: Ever, well, okay, because this year you have of Day
Speaker 1: one A on June third, Day one B on June fourth,
Speaker 1: then June fifth, June sixth, June seventh, and that's a
Speaker 1: long event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that ain't like basically so if you.
Speaker 1: Play Day one A and you go on to win,
Speaker 1: not that that matters so much for this player, but
Speaker 1: it takes away entries elsewhere, like you're not just like firing,
Speaker 1: firing and firing, like I mean, I guess it is
Speaker 1: interesting because we've heard Sean Deep talk about this and
Speaker 1: he even like kind of said that he advised Phil
Speaker 1: Hellmuth that, like you remember, Sean Deep last year was like,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about skipping the w's main event because if
Speaker 1: I get sucked into that event for six days and
Speaker 1: I'm chasing Player of the Year, I should really be
Speaker 1: going for volume, not for necessarily the highest ROI because
Speaker 1: what he's after is the player of the year stuff,
Speaker 1: and if that's what I want, and the same thing
Speaker 1: with Hellmut That's why Dee was trying to kind of
Speaker 1: convince Helmut down this path is that if Helmeut's goal
Speaker 1: is number of bracelets, then getting stuck in one tournament
Speaker 1: that w's be made a then being the biggest example
Speaker 1: of this because it has the most extended player friendly structure.
Speaker 1: You don't want to just get stuck in that tournament
Speaker 1: for a week and be unable to play everything else. Well,
Speaker 1: you could basically get stuck in that tournament for a
Speaker 1: week not win a bracelet, or in that same time frame,
Speaker 1: you might win two or three other bracelets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for this twenty five K you added the day.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's also about a week. It's a week
Speaker 2: stretching the WSP. It's quite action packed for these high
Speaker 2: ROLLA players. You got that twenty five K, you got
Speaker 2: another twenty five K, six max, fifty K no limit,
Speaker 2: one hundred K no limit. Then they all they all
Speaker 2: start on basically day three of each other. The problem
Speaker 2: with the event we're talking about right now is that
Speaker 2: it has added a day for and you're going to
Speaker 2: just the five people, six people that make that final
Speaker 2: day for the final table. They're not going to play
Speaker 2: the you know, the twenty five K six max at all.
Speaker 2: And also you have the day two registration, but it's
Speaker 2: going to be before that.
Speaker 1: Still register on day two for this, which I feel
Speaker 1: like is antithetical to adding a starting fleet. I feel
Speaker 1: like if you had a starting play, you would make
Speaker 1: rid end on the day once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree.
Speaker 2: It's you know, with this, like we've said, this climber,
Speaker 2: with the taxes, I think you didn't need to add
Speaker 2: a flight to this. The GG millions, I think that's fine,
Speaker 2: that's a new event.
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I think these high rollers have been pretty you know,
Speaker 2: these are pretty good at the World Series. You know,
Speaker 2: there's big numbers, there's a lot of people you know
Speaker 2: from overseas internationals playing, so Americans are going to play
Speaker 2: them anyway. But now this is just like I think
Speaker 2: it's asking a little too much, especially with you know,
Speaker 2: you look at this schedule. I got the twenty five
Speaker 2: o K, another twenty five K, fifty K, one hundred K.
Speaker 2: I got the two to fifty K later in the series.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very expensive, very quickly.
Speaker 1: You also put in our notes removed a day from
Speaker 1: the Omaha High Low Championship. Yeah, so does that mean
Speaker 1: that they also changed the structure. I haven't run, but
Speaker 1: it was always four days.
Speaker 2: So I put that note because you know, in previous years,
Speaker 2: I would lay out the schedule, you know, in a timeline,
Speaker 2: and then we kind of look at where we want
Speaker 2: to stream, and you know, that was always that's always
Speaker 2: gonna be a day for and you know last year
Speaker 2: it was it took four days. So I noticed that
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I'm wondering if they made
Speaker 2: you know, a structure changed to that event, as well
Speaker 2: as maybe other ten k split Pot Championship events. But
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't really need to go too deep
Speaker 2: since we're not, you know, predicting final tables and what
Speaker 2: we need to stream this year. I just thought it
Speaker 2: was an interesting note. That's always been pretty much a
Speaker 2: four day event, just like the ten k Horse, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they're chopping that down to three days.
Speaker 1: So all in all, I think the schedule is pretty good,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it's basically just on par
Speaker 1: with with last year, which I thought was probably the
Speaker 1: best schedule that they've they've done maybe ever. You know,
Speaker 1: just I thought it all flowed pretty nicely. Just a
Speaker 1: couple of things here or there were kind of stuck out,
Speaker 1: and I think the player feedback is something that I'm
Speaker 1: going to lean on the most, which I know a
Speaker 1: lot of the players were pretty happy with last year's schedule,
Speaker 1: and I know Tim and I got into like the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of this year's schedule because that's what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do here with this episode. But overall, it's
Speaker 1: it's very similar to last year, and it's still a
Speaker 1: very good schedule. I think numbers are going to be
Speaker 1: very good and very bullish on all the numbers across
Speaker 1: the Divasophy. Of course, adding some flights is going to
Speaker 1: boost everything up. Yes, but you know, I think that
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I like moving that Mystery millions
Speaker 1: to closer to the Dobasophy main event. I like that addition.
Speaker 2: Do you think they add some main event seat bounties
Speaker 2: as prizes instead of like ten K cash?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would say I think they should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, if you just my only thing
Speaker 1: is like and this is like it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where it's a good problem to have, so you know,
Speaker 1: first world problem, but there's always a chance that somebody
Speaker 1: pulls one of those that can't play the main event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like so is that just an extra hiccup and things?
Speaker 1: So would you rather just give them the ten k
Speaker 1: cash and just hope that they parlay it into the
Speaker 1: main event anyway?
Speaker 2: Like you know, No, I'd rather give them a seat
Speaker 2: and if they don't want to play, then I'll roll
Speaker 2: it to next year or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying it makes it easiest just to
Speaker 1: say here's ten k cash.
Speaker 3: Like that's just easy, you know, sure, like, but like
Speaker 3: that's what.
Speaker 2: Look, we wind up back two years to what WPT
Speaker 2: did and with the you know, the club WPT free role.
Speaker 2: I if you remember, I want a WPTC, but I
Speaker 2: immediately tried to cash it out like I wanted the cash.
Speaker 2: I would have taken less than you're a knit. Yes,
Speaker 2: I would have taken less than market value. But yet
Speaker 2: you know, I was forced to play, and I played,
Speaker 2: I busted whatever. But you know, if they care about
Speaker 2: we want a really big main event number this year,
Speaker 2: I would be looking at you know, they've added an
Speaker 2: extra fly, so you would expect more money in the price.
Speaker 2: I would take some of those five K bounties, you know,
Speaker 2: and then chop them down to one ks. But also
Speaker 2: then make some of them ten K main events seats.
Speaker 2: You have to admit that, you know, I would say
Speaker 2: there's a good portion of that mystery millions Field is
Speaker 2: not probably playing the main event.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not They're not a lock to play the main event, right,
Speaker 2: So this is a way to get some of those
Speaker 2: fringe people in. I think it's worth doing that, especially
Speaker 2: with it being so close and he and there's there's
Speaker 2: obviously a way we can kind of add to that.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the main event starts two days later, right,
Speaker 2: do those people Okay, I want a main event seat,
Speaker 2: I'll play one D But now, okay, I have to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: I was going to fly home.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play the mini main event, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to play you know this three K or the
Speaker 2: six hundred deep stag. I've got to get a couple
Speaker 2: more nights at the hotel at Paris, I got to
Speaker 2: spend more money and food. There's some obviously, like you know,
Speaker 2: more ways WSP slash Caesars, slash GG, slash Horse. Who
Speaker 2: can make some money doing that, And I think it'd
Speaker 2: be a good way to do it.
Speaker 1: Where are you at on dobisity main event numbers.
Speaker 3: Overs name the number i'm.
Speaker 1: Overs last year was nine thousand and three and thirty five.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, whatever the record is, I'm taking overs on
Speaker 2: the record. Really, I'm normally pretty pessimistic about this. I
Speaker 2: just think I think GG is going to be all in.
Speaker 2: You know, this is their first year where it's really
Speaker 2: all theirs, right, the production everything, and remember two years
Speaker 2: ago they made a really big effort to break the record.
Speaker 2: I think this year they're going to go even bigger.
Speaker 2: You know, with WSP online satellites, GG pokers satellites, twenty
Speaker 2: five seed scrambles, fifty seeds scrambles, you know they're going
Speaker 2: to they're delaying the final table. I think they're kind
Speaker 2: of all in on just like record breaking everything, and
Speaker 2: like you've seen it with the events, the added fights,
Speaker 2: the day twos, their numbers, the entrant numbers are going
Speaker 2: to be through the roof, right, you know, the unique
Speaker 2: numbers might be down, but that doesn't No one cares
Speaker 2: about that. They just care about total entrance. And I
Speaker 2: think they'll make an even bigger effort to make sure
Speaker 2: the main event breaks the record. Yeah, I mean, look
Speaker 2: at that still aside, does any tax doesn't even mean generally.
Speaker 1: Always I'm always bullish and little it is form event, okay, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly where I stand just yet,
Speaker 1: but what I will say is that I think you're
Speaker 1: kind of seeing a little bit of everything that you're
Speaker 1: getting at just with this promotion that's going to be
Speaker 1: running at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas, the Cash Game promotion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where they're given out what is it, twenty five seats
Speaker 1: to the main event.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then assorted seats for other events. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically, if you play at least one hundred hours
Speaker 1: at of cash over a certain timeframe, I forget the
Speaker 1: exact timeframe at Horseshoe, Las Vegas. So in the poker room,
Speaker 1: this is this is before the summer, you get into
Speaker 1: you can buy into like a twenty dollars tournament, and
Speaker 1: then if you get like if you play like one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hours, you get more chips, and like
Speaker 1: two hundred hours you get more chips, and then like
Speaker 1: the top twenty five are going to get a seat
Speaker 1: into the WSPMIN event. So just when you're when you're
Speaker 1: putting out initiatives like that, like I would even say
Speaker 1: they should do that during the summer in the main
Speaker 1: poker room, you know, when they're running cash in the
Speaker 1: main poker but.
Speaker 3: They should do it at every seasons.
Speaker 1: Sure, But even just just this is a step in
Speaker 1: the right direction in terms of like their qualification efforts.
Speaker 1: So I think this is if what you're saying ends
Speaker 1: up being correct, then you can look at this as
Speaker 1: like the starting point for all of the other stuff
Speaker 1: that's going to come, you know, in terms of qualifying
Speaker 1: more people in So that's that's cool to see. I
Speaker 1: personally wish I had that many hours to go sit
Speaker 1: there and play cash. I don't, but I would say
Speaker 1: I understand I can't do it. But I would also
Speaker 1: say that, you know, why couldn't you do this online?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, X number of hands you know, and twenty
Speaker 1: thousand hands or something, right, like and just drive people
Speaker 1: to play cash on wsp dot com. You can do
Speaker 1: like every month. Yeah, I like that, you know, like
Speaker 1: that would be that would be cool, right, or like
Speaker 1: you know, every every five hundred hands you play or
Speaker 1: every hundred hands you play, you get a virtual rival
Speaker 1: ticket and then at the end of every month, it's
Speaker 1: thrown into this this barrel they do the drawing that
Speaker 1: they give out some main evans. It's like, I think
Speaker 1: that would be cool as well. Yeah, all right, WSB
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, which I think Tim and I
Speaker 1: talked about before, but as a reminder, we're going to
Speaker 1: get into it. It starts with doubs AP Europe this
Speaker 1: year and WSP Europe starts soon, right is it?
Speaker 3: Is it marchers at April one of the others very
Speaker 3: end of March.
Speaker 1: Okay, w s AP is bringing one million dollars in
Speaker 1: leaderboard prizes for the was B Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: First place gets one hundred k WSIP Paradise package plus
Speaker 1: the POI title. Second third also get one hundred k
Speaker 1: WSP Paradise Package. There's prizes for four through fifteenth, there's
Speaker 1: prizes through sixteenth through fiftieth, and then there's prizes for
Speaker 1: fifty first through one hundredth So the top one hundred
Speaker 1: players ranked on the WSP Player of the Year leaderboard,
Speaker 1: which again starts with WSP Europe that is coming up.
Speaker 1: There is one million dollars in prizes up for grabs.
Speaker 1: So for everyone that was constantly like, we want prizes,
Speaker 1: we want prizes, we want prizes. Here's your shot. The
Speaker 1: prizes are there, go for it. Tim has some notes
Speaker 1: here on media presence. Why don't you just get into
Speaker 1: these because you're the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I have more. It's more questions about,
Speaker 2: you know, how things are going to be this year.
Speaker 2: And we've heard rumors from different outlets. We've heard from
Speaker 2: our friends of pocones. You know, they're doing everything they're
Speaker 2: doing like normal. We obviously have people that work with
Speaker 2: us that are working for the WSP plus app, and
Speaker 2: you know, we all expect a bigger team, bigger hands
Speaker 2: on presence. You know, this kind of goes into everything
Speaker 2: they're doing right with GG and and WSP just trying
Speaker 2: to basically make everything WSP centric and I we're going
Speaker 2: to assume a much bigger team there. And then I
Speaker 2: would say maybe for BOG at all, but they might
Speaker 2: be dialing it back a little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Going to see how, you know, how kind of GG
Speaker 2: WSP treat things. We saw a paradise it was kind
Speaker 2: of a free for all, so probably something very similar
Speaker 2: for the media outlets this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm always interested in this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: so I'm guess I'm just willing to see how it
Speaker 1: all kind of shakes out, and nor really have any
Speaker 1: like takes your thoughts right now? All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into some fun. Which events not including the main event?
Speaker 1: So I can't name the main event? Well, let me
Speaker 1: let me ask this to start. Are you playing the
Speaker 1: main event this year?
Speaker 3: I would like to.
Speaker 1: I still have you got to get a mass streak going, right.
Speaker 2: I still have the buy in sitting in my safe
Speaker 2: ready to go, planning to unless something work wise would
Speaker 2: prevent me from playing.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we're gonna talk about which events
Speaker 1: not including the main event do we want to play.
Speaker 1: I tentatively did like a little schedule, basically thinking like
Speaker 1: and I do this every single year going into the summer.
Speaker 1: Like if I were to play me personally a full
Speaker 1: schedule based on what I think, you know, one I
Speaker 1: could have a decent piece of the of all the events,
Speaker 1: I can sell some action, Like I'm not just being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play every day and I'm gonna spend foreigner
Speaker 1: cam Byron's Like, I don't think that's even like feasible
Speaker 1: for me. I mean maybe I could do it, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, So I put a bunch of
Speaker 1: events down that I that I would I would target
Speaker 1: to play. So basically anything, no limit, hold them. That
Speaker 1: is twenty five hundred dollars in under is my answer.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I, well, I didn't put the the Gladiators.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and avoid that with all costs. I
Speaker 1: would love to avoid the Colossus too, at all cost
Speaker 1: but I did put it down on the schedule, but
Speaker 1: I would love to avoid it. And my reasoning is that,
Speaker 1: you know, like every time I've played it, you're playing
Speaker 1: ten handed. It's just a freaking disaster, Like I just
Speaker 1: can't Like every time I play it, I'm like excited,
Speaker 1: and then ten minutes in, I'm like, why did I
Speaker 1: do this to myself? So maybe I'll not do it,
Speaker 1: But I would say I would say the one that
Speaker 1: I'm most looking forward to is, well, there's two, the
Speaker 1: Monster Stack and the Million Maker. I've never played the
Speaker 1: Monster Stack. I've talked about it how I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to play it, but it's one of those ones where
Speaker 1: it's just so long if you get stuck in it,
Speaker 1: like I just you know, could never take away from
Speaker 1: work and that sort of stuff. But it's also always
Speaker 1: one that I put on my schedule saying like if
Speaker 1: it works out with work and family and life and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, then yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: to get in there in this sort of format. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I would put that on there. And
Speaker 1: then the Millionmaker. I think the Millionmaker as well has
Speaker 1: a really really good structure. Like I think the Monster
Speaker 1: Stack people assume is like the best structure, but I
Speaker 1: think the Millionmaker is an awesome structure. I think that
Speaker 1: that's great. And I was able to play The Millionmaker
Speaker 1: last year, didn't do anything in it, but still like
Speaker 1: I was excited to play knowing it's a pretty good structure. Overall,
Speaker 1: it's obviously going to get a massive price school shout
Speaker 1: out massive. So those two events for me are like
Speaker 1: right there at the top. So I'm pretty pumped about those.
Speaker 1: And then also I would love to play there's a
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars freeze out, there's a twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: dollar freeze out, and there's a three K freeze out,
Speaker 1: Like I love that, right, you know, the twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred and three K are are of course, you know,
Speaker 1: a slight step up in price point, but because of
Speaker 1: their freezeouts, I think that that's great.
Speaker 2: One thing I I'll add to your the list is well,
Speaker 2: we didn't we didn't touch on it, but Glad eight
Speaker 2: is a poke, a three hundred dollar buy and you
Speaker 2: know four flights that has a big shift this year
Speaker 2: to starting It's going to start day three of the
Speaker 2: main event this year. So hopefully one reason why you're
Speaker 2: not playing it is because you're say in the main which, sorry,
Speaker 2: the Gladiator is a poker that's moved.
Speaker 1: So let me also say that. And I've talked about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked about on the pod
Speaker 1: or if I've done it privately, but I am a
Speaker 1: play the main Event and that's it. I'm done. I
Speaker 1: can't fathom playing anything after the main Event. I just
Speaker 1: I feel like you build up to this whole thing,
Speaker 1: you put your all into it, and then I just
Speaker 1: can't imagine playing another poker tournament after you played that one,
Speaker 1: and I would probably just light money on fire. So
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna. I'm gonna not put myself in
Speaker 1: that situation where I'll, you know, blow the money and
Speaker 1: I just I play the main event. And when I bust, like,
Speaker 1: that's my summer, right, and then and then you take
Speaker 1: some time off and you're like you take some time
Speaker 1: off from playing, and you're like, yeah, that's it. I
Speaker 1: obviously know there's a ton of events after the main event.
Speaker 1: You know, main event is number eighty two on a
Speaker 1: schedule of one hundred events, So there's a ton of
Speaker 1: stuff that's afterwards.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the ones, like if I were to play,
Speaker 1: is like that three K mid Stakes Championship that looks amazing,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm just going to pass on it.
Speaker 1: On the stuff post main event, it's to me, it's
Speaker 1: you build up to the main event, you put everything
Speaker 1: into the main event, and then you're.
Speaker 3: Just you're done well.
Speaker 2: For me, I really don't know what we're doing work wise,
Speaker 2: so it's always gonna be TVD. But last year I
Speaker 2: only played a bullet in the in the the Colossus
Speaker 2: and then the main event, and we missed the Tag
Speaker 2: Team right last year. So the only event I definitely
Speaker 2: want to play again is the Tag Team, so make
Speaker 2: sure that's in your schedule.
Speaker 3: And then I.
Speaker 2: Do like these turbo flights that they did add for
Speaker 2: the Mystery Millions, So chance, I'll play that, So I'm
Speaker 2: on the hook for anywhere everte.
Speaker 1: You do realize in a mystery buying tournament, like you
Speaker 1: have to bust people like you.
Speaker 3: Know he's gonna make the.
Speaker 1: That has to like that's how you should play, right, Like.
Speaker 2: I'm there for the mean cash. You know, I'll take the.
Speaker 1: Mid cash tournament when they take a person chunk of
Speaker 1: the buying out. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you said, I'm I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 2: mister boundies either.
Speaker 3: If I was going to play one, I was going
Speaker 3: to play one to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I don't know what's going with
Speaker 2: work yet, but tag team is the real one I
Speaker 2: want to play. And then obviously hopefully the main event again,
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: Less from the main event of course, So yeah, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see players on a budget.
Speaker 3: What do you guys picked out a couple of weekends that.
Speaker 2: Or two weekends and a midweek thing that I think
Speaker 2: players that you know don't have too much money, but
Speaker 2: they want to taste get that taste of the WSP
Speaker 2: this year when they should come first. One May thirtieth
Speaker 2: to thirty first Saturday Sunday, you can play one e
Speaker 2: and there's also a one f the Turbo nine fight
Speaker 2: at the five fifty minstery millions.
Speaker 3: Day two's on the Sunday.
Speaker 2: If you bust that or even if you cash, you
Speaker 2: got a six hundred no limbit deep stack the next
Speaker 2: day on that Sunday. That's a two day event. So
Speaker 2: basically you book a trip for three days. You know,
Speaker 2: you can spend anywhere and we'll call it fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: bucks on Torona bayens and I think those are two
Speaker 2: pretty good events. If you're looking a little bit later
Speaker 2: in the series, we're going to go down to June thirteenth,
Speaker 2: fourteenth weekend. You can get a fight end at the
Speaker 2: Colossus right day two d is on the Sunday. Then
Speaker 2: you can also play just like that last weekend, you
Speaker 2: got that eight hundred dollars deep sack. Now two days
Speaker 2: of that, so basically June thirteenth to fifteenth, you know
Speaker 2: you can get what are we going to call that,
Speaker 2: you know, eighteen hundred bucks maybe twenty three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: there to get your fix, and then another kind of
Speaker 2: three day period during the week so that's good for
Speaker 2: hotel rates. June thirtieth to basically July second, you can
Speaker 2: play day one. See the mini main event Day two
Speaker 2: is on July first. That doesn't go you, well, well
Speaker 2: you've got that six hundred deep Sack Championship that's got
Speaker 2: two starting flights on July first, July second.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And also you know if those don't go to well,
Speaker 2: you've got that eight hundred dollars Summer celebration starting on
Speaker 2: July second. So I think that's a nice little stretch there.
Speaker 2: And look, you come out, maybe you play one of
Speaker 2: the the Vega satellites at night for the main event
Speaker 2: main events side July second, extend your trip a little bit.
Speaker 2: So I think those are kind of three good spots
Speaker 2: for people, you know, basically looking to spend basically you know,
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars or less on tournament buyings.
Speaker 1: And then this is this is all speaking to this
Speaker 1: without knowing the win correct, Yes, yes, yes, Aurea resort,
Speaker 1: like we don't know any of the schedules yet, you know,
Speaker 1: once once the DOSB schedule drops. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of those people or those a lot of those other operators,
Speaker 1: they have kind of tentative plans, you know, and now
Speaker 1: it's just moving all the puzzle pieces around. So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you're gonna get another big win Summer Classic or
Speaker 1: whatever they call it in the summer. I'm assuming you're
Speaker 1: gonna get another big series, which I think is actually
Speaker 1: on the Venetian website, like just in terms of like
Speaker 1: dates already, and that might come with a WPT event
Speaker 1: like it has before. I know the WPT is at
Speaker 1: Venetian right now, but maybe you also get a Summer
Speaker 1: one and then the Aria and you know, partnered with
Speaker 1: bet MGM. You know, they had a handful of those
Speaker 1: events as well. So you know, Resorts World usually throws
Speaker 1: their hat in the ring, you know, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of the other stuff around town. So
Speaker 1: in terms of like best bang for your buck in
Speaker 1: a smaller window of time, maybe that kind of changes
Speaker 1: based on what other people have offering, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of speaking right now to everything that's being
Speaker 1: offered at the WSOP.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I also picked out a kind of
Speaker 2: a nice window if you've got a little bit more money.
Speaker 2: We'll call it six thousand bucks, you know, a month
Speaker 2: of work for some people, But basically June thirtieth to
Speaker 2: July eighth, you know, you're going to get one C
Speaker 2: of that mini main event. You're gonna get one A,
Speaker 2: one B of the six hundred deep Sack Championship. You've
Speaker 2: got that eight hundred dollars Summer Celebration, that's a two
Speaker 2: day event with two starting flights. That's going to be
Speaker 2: a bit of a kind of turbo event. You got
Speaker 2: a one K no limit hold them. That's a two
Speaker 2: day event. And then you have Day one ABC of
Speaker 2: the Ultra Stack six hundred dollars Ultra Stack. So basically
Speaker 2: that's fifteen hundred dollars in buy ins, you know, not
Speaker 2: accounting cashes or you know, lots of re entries, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And then obviously that's overlapping the first four days in
Speaker 2: the main event. So like I said previously, you know,
Speaker 2: you have the potential to play some five hundred or
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars satellites to try and to get in
Speaker 2: the main event. And we always see you know some
Speaker 2: big ten twenty you know seat guarantees running on property
Speaker 2: over that you probably have a twenty five C scramble
Speaker 2: on WSP dot com somewhere there too. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: another good, another little good stretch. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: spending you know about that six thousand dollars. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like like you said, we'll have to wait till Venetian
Speaker 2: comes out and Aria and you know MGM grew Golden
Speaker 2: Nugget resorts at all these places are going to have
Speaker 2: a schedule that fits around this. So you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to not be at the WSP and you know,
Speaker 2: you can get your fix anywhere. I do a lot
Speaker 2: of single day stuff, a lot of mystery bounties. You know,
Speaker 2: Venetia are probably going to have their more multi day
Speaker 2: kind of lower buying events, and then Winners obviously going
Speaker 2: to stand out with a whole range of events, you know,
Speaker 2: the most tables of both of those rooms, and you
Speaker 2: know you're gonna have everything from four hundred dollars all
Speaker 2: the way up to probably twenty five k high rollers.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, it's a waiting game. But if you're
Speaker 2: looking just WSP specific, you want to chase that gold bracelet,
Speaker 2: then those are kind of some windows that we think
Speaker 2: will be pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1: As always, if you guys have any thoughts, questions, suggestions,
Speaker 1: things we didn't hit on, think things you think were
Speaker 1: wrong on as it relates to the WSPY schedule. You
Speaker 1: guys can find us on Twitter Donnie Underscore, Peters as Mine,
Speaker 1: Tim Underscore Underscore, Duckworth is his. You can also email
Speaker 1: the show podcast at pokergrow dot com. We will either
Speaker 1: touch on them, you know, here on the show, or
Speaker 1: we'll just get back to you privately. Either way, always
Speaker 1: good to hear from the fans out there, hear from
Speaker 1: the listeners, hear from the players that are that are
Speaker 1: coming out and they're going to be gambling. You know,
Speaker 1: what weekends are you targeting? You know, what do you
Speaker 1: wish that they put on the schedule? What are you hating?
Speaker 1: Do we have any limit holding players out there that
Speaker 1: are pissed if they dropped the three K you know,
Speaker 1: all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: I have some shootouts specialists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shootout specialists. I mean that event always was really
Speaker 1: well attended, Like it's I I never really kind of
Speaker 1: cared for it, but just in terms of playing, but
Speaker 1: it certainly, you know, you can't not recognize the fact
Speaker 1: that it was a very popular event and a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, yeah, I'm gonna play the shoot
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come pay the shootout. So I think people
Speaker 1: just like the idea that I don't know. It seems
Speaker 1: like a daunting task to go from let's say two
Speaker 1: thousand players down to one. But in a shootout you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I only have to win my table. Yeah, the table,
Speaker 1: and then I'm there, like you know, Like so that's
Speaker 1: what people were going at with that. All right, Well
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us for Tim Duckworth. My
Speaker 1: name is Donny Peters. Also shout out producer rich Ryan.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all the help that you do on the
Speaker 1: backside of the editing and all that good stuff. And
Speaker 1: until next time. We'll talk to you guys later.
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