Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of
the Poker Go Podcast. And my name is Donnie Peters.
His name is Tim Duckworth. I promised you guys on
the last episode that we would get to the twenty
twenty six SIP schedule, and we are here to do
just that. Tim and I are going to run through
some of our thoughts on the schedule, which I'm sure
many of our listeners out there have already had their
eyes on, but if not, we'll go through some of
the notable changes, the additions, the subtractions. We'll hit on
some of the events that we think are good, some
of the things we think might not be so good.
We'll talk about what we would want to play, you know.
All that sort of stuff is coming in this episode.
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say he had a flight anyway, sure, so you know,
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So just just a lot of fun there overall. But
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void of Jeff Platt, who's now gone see you later, Jeff,
you know, you know dead to us. It wasn't too
happy by the way, Jeff Platt on your uh you're
saying that he wasn't gonna get into the Poker Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3: That was a may buddy, That was you. I led with,
I lad with Jeff Platt lead.
Speaker 1: I would say Jeff is at.
Speaker 3: Least a step closer now, he's definitely a lot.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say many more steps closer then than
he e asbid. He might be a favorite now I
don't know just how wacky that thing is. Yeah, all right,
let's get into the schedule here. The twenty twenty six
BASITB schedule was announced earlier this week. One hundred gold
Bracelet events of the live variety. We still don't know
what's coming from the online variety. That always comes later.
When that does get announced, Tim and I will hit
on it. Everything kicks off on May twenty sixth. Very
similar dates is going to run May twenty sixth through
July fifteenth. I mentioned the one hundred live bracelet events.
Another couple of nuggets here from the official news announcement.
A daily free stream is going to start on May
twenty sixth and run until the main event. They pointed
out an improved TV set that is going to be
in Paris Las Vegas, which the set before was actually
in the Horseshoe side of things takes place at Horseshoe
and Paris, but everything was on Horseshoe. Now they're moving
it over to the Paris side, which is going to
be interesting. I think it'll be better, yes, but it'll
just be interesting. You know, people come in there expecting
it to be one place because it has been that
place for a couple of years and now switched. And
then the other thing is that the WAB main event
final table is going to be delayed, although they didn't
really give too many details about it, so we don't.
The only thing we know from the news release is
that they're gonna set the final table the final nine
on July thirteenth, and it was kind of just left
like that's it, but come back at a later date.
We don't know that later date.
Speaker 3: We don't know if it'll be three days they say none.
Speaker 1: I think they said play down to the final table, didn't.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know what, The August eighth has
a nice little uh ring to it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's gonna still happen in July me
personally not August. But you know, we can get we
can get into that, so we'll hit on that topic
as well. I guess let let's just start there, you know.
I feel like that's that's probably the biggest story to
come out of this, is that the main event, Final Table,
is being quote unquote delayed. I'm doing quotation marks for
those that are listening just because, yeah, because we don't
have the information. My guess is it's gonna take place.
Speaker 3: On July.
Speaker 1: I need to pull up my calendar. Actually, July, where
are we looking? Twenty fifth is my guess, although I
think that's a bad day to start it. But and
my reasoning is that, isn't there this weird circuit thing
that's announce.
Speaker 2: That which ends on July twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then maybe it'll take place the next sixth
day after.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is put in there to bridge
the gap between the two. I don't really know what
gap you're bridging. I guess just to keep poker fans
around in Las Vegas. I personally think that the the
November nine concept, and it doesn't necessarily have to be November,
but that's the name we of course gave it when
it was first announced. But just the concept of delaying
the Final Table to a later date by more than
just a day because they have had that day off, right,
I think. I think delaying it to a final date
that's greater than a week is a good thing in
theory and just needs to be executed better. The one
part of the execution that I think worked when it
was done is that you could you could relocate the
stage to a larger theater and each Final Table member
can have a large group of supporters there, which I
thought that atmosphere was amazing when it happened, both being
there in person for some of those and also I
feel like that came through much better on the broadcast.
I just felt like things were much more condensed when
you were just keeping it on the stage. Not that
the atmospheres weren't pretty electric, they just weren't as grand.
And I want this thing to be as grand as possible.
Part of being as grand as possible is, you know,
I think bridging that gap in the time with additional
media coverage is a very good thing. You just you
really have to work at that. So let's see. Is
it just going to be something where final table gets set,
it gets announced, they say, okay, it's going to happen
on this date, and then we don't hear much from
these players, from media whatever. I mean. I remember when
the member nine was first announced that we were floating
around crazy ideas like we can get the chip leader
on late night talk shows and like this, that and
the other thing. And I don't think that. I think
that that's, you know, too much of a of a
pipe dream to ever happen. But you could do other things,
you know, you could you could run them through the
car washing in other ways, you know, and maybe you
work with your broadcast partner to do that. I would
love for that to happen. I think that that's ultimately
going to be a good thing for poker, but it's
going to take a lot of resources behind it. So
I guess TBD on that front. But I like the
fact that you do delay it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not going to matter how many
days it is, right, if we're talking three or four days,
we kind of do much in there. We're talking a
week to ten days something like that. I think that's Okay,
I'm assuming that what GG and WSP are doing with
this is a like you said, probably, hey, we're going
to fiddle with the set. We're going to make it
bigger and grand and make it a really big TV production.
But also I'm assuming they're going to have some stuff
lined up for these players, you know, you know, media
days and other kind of events to highlight you know,
the players leading into you know, the conclusion of the
final table.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know we're going to know the date.
Speaker 2: I think we will have to know the day before
the World Series starts, right, Obviously you have to do
it before the main event. But I feel like, you know,
GG ANDWSP dot com are probably starting online satellites soon.
You probably want to have that day kind of locked
in confirmed as quickly as you can, and then, you know,
makes it a lot easier for people to say, hey,
I'm going to play this satellite or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I think it's not necessarily that big
of a deal to announce that date. I mean, obviously
sooner rather than later, yes, But I don't think it's
a necessity to start it to announce it like in
the next week or something. I would say you definitely
just wanted out before the Doabasity starts and then or
maybe you know, you kind of do an announcement during
the first days of Dobysity.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's yeah, that would work to I'm interested with
the new set relocating to Paris. I think you know,
we spend a lot of time at the Horseshoe on
those feature tables. We've spent a lot of time walking
to Paris, and the big difference is Horseshoe gets very
hot once you're add in all those LED lights.
Speaker 3: It's a very warm venue. We've had players.
Speaker 2: Asks for air conditioners and all kinds of things when
you go to Paris. You know some of those spots,
you know, that far top right spot that we would
walk through sometimes freezing cold, like the tundra. You got
people in blankets and hoodies and everything. So you know,
moving the final table there. You know, this is probably
not even part of the plan, but you know, these
final tables that get super hot due to those early
d lights probably gonna get a little bit of a reprieve,
which is probably a good thing that they no one's
really planned for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I mean I like at the colder, the
better so yeah, you're a weirdo. I mean, listen, you
can always bundle up. You can only take so many
clothes off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. And the one other thing I
want to kind of the language they touched on. You know,
they say like daily freeze stream from May twenty sixth
until the main event. So the two things I see
with that is, Okay, what's happening with the main event broadcast?
What are they planning there? Because I feel like they
would have just said, you know, daily free stream entire
world series. And also they don't really mention, you know,
poker play. They say free stream, and we've heard all
kinds of things about breakdosk shows and daily shows, so
maybe you know, we're going to see you know, them
being very selective with what they're streaming, or you know,
maybe that was just the language they chose. They're going
to be all in with multiple final tables every day,
so a lot of that is still kind of TVD
and it would be interesting to see kind of what
they outline live stream wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. I didn't really read too much
into that phrasing that you mentioned, but now that you
pointed out, it is interesting because it does say a
daily stream will be broadcast live on the official Diversity
YouTube channel from May twenty six through to the start
of the mean event. Yeah, that's so, that's that's an
interesting way to phrase that. So what happens during the
main event is, you know, it's likely and you're.
Speaker 2: Going to assume that if they're going to do a delay,
it's probably got to do a lot with you know,
the production, the distribution, and they're probably all going to
tie that, like you said, into one more big announcement,
you know, keep that. You know, we obviously have WSP
Europe in Prague coming up in a couple of months
where you know they want to Obviously this month is
going to be dominated by WSP talk. It's going to
fade a little bit in March, pick back up in
April and then May. Everyone's getting ready, so maybe they're
planning the announcement you know, March. Keep it's like kind
of the NFL, how they're literally the talk of the
news cycle the whole year round. You know, it's very
smart for WSP to try and do the same thing
and really dominate the poker news landscape, and you know,
this is one way they can do it. You know,
that like how they teased everyone last week on Friday
with the the announcement of the announcement, right, and then
they have the announcement on Monday. Then they've oh, there's
still more to go, maybe two more weeks. We hear, oh,
next week, we're announcing when the final table is. So
you kind of can keep wsp like kind of at
the top of everybody's you know, timeline for as long as.
Speaker 1: P All right, let's get into some of the additions
and subtractions that happened on this year's schedule. Once again,
one hundred Live Gold Bracelet events have been announced. So
the events that are new this year for twenty twenty six,
we have the five hundred and fifty dollars Mystery Many
Mystery Millions with a mystery bounty top prize, a top
bounty prize of one million dollars. So and that's actually
going to kick off the series, whereas last year kicking
off the series in terms of like your Big Field
Open event was the one thousand dollars Buying Mystery Millions tournament.
That tournament is still on the schedule, it's just shifted
to a later time period, right, And then they have
this five hundred and fifty mini mystery millions to kick
things off many. To me, I don't agree that it's many.
If it's only half, I think you need to go
three hundred or lower. But you know whatever, it's gonna
be interesting to see how big that one gets. I mean,
a five hundred and fifty dollars buy in is just
I mean, that's going to track to everyone, right, So
let's see how big this one gets. Obviously, dangling a nice,
big fat carrot in front of everyone with that one
million dollar guaranteed top bounty prize. I'm personally not a
fan of playing mystery bounties. It's just me, you know.
I don't like to I don't like to have a
large portion of the prize pool taken out and basically
thrown into this lottery over here. But I understand their
place in poker, and I do agree that operators should
certainly have them on their schedule because the masses love
these damn things, absolutely love them. So I would expect
this thing to be freaking enormous, and if there's an
event on the schedule, it has a chance of, you know,
setting a record in terms of largest ever live poker tournament.
It's this one. I don't know if it will, but
you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's definitely, you know, it definitely has a
shot to kind of flirt with becoming the biggest you know,
live field. I think where it was at twenty twenty nineteen,
the five hundred, big fifty twenty eight thousand players in that.
So you know, it's not can't rule it out, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course you can't rule it out. So
I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Guess what is the closest, Like I guess the closest
thing recently would be probably, you know, with the one
K Mistery millions in twenty.
Speaker 3: It's a pattern you're talking about size.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying in twenty twenty four the ONEK mistry millions,
the you know, had eighteen thousand. Last year it had
nineteen thousand and change. Obviously, so you're going to have
to buy in still big prizes, you know, I think
we I think we can probably safely say over twenty thousand, right, yeah,
I would say five six starting flights.
Speaker 1: I would say this one gets over twenty thousand. I mean,
I feel like it's hard not to right.
Speaker 2: I feel like with you know, the six starting flights.
Kicking off the World Series with this, I think we
break that record.
Speaker 1: Do you think to break the record? Yeah, I mean
that's hot. Take that seems insane to break the record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight three hundred and seventy one is the record.
That's from the Big fifty. I don't I don't know
if we'll get that, man, I don't know that. That's
just slot.
Speaker 2: The largest flight, okay for a five hundred dollar buying
the World Series had was twenty nineteen. Okay, we had
a nine thousand and a seven thousand for a five
hundred buying. I've got six flights of these. All we
need is, you know, three of those and two extra flights.
Speaker 1: What's the re entry rules on this this thing?
Speaker 2: The big question is also when is the do you
get paid on that day? If you get paid on
that day, that will definitely make it more likely to happen.
Speaker 1: Two re entries per flight.
Speaker 3: What do you play down to?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're making me look up structures now.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought you had it up.
Speaker 1: No, I had the main schedule page up, but I
have the thing up now.
Speaker 2: Because if you can cash and cash and then buying
the next day.
Speaker 3: It's a luck. Twenty eight thousands a luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, standard payouts start on day one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they probably play down a five percent, so
you know, anywhere between seven and a half and well,
it just.
Speaker 1: Just says no, it actually says day one is play
twenty two levels.
Speaker 3: So it's similar to what they did last year, where.
Speaker 1: You'll get to the fifteen thousand and thirty thousand level.
Speaker 2: So normally I think you're in the money for a
couple of levels, which will help the chance of us,
you know, heating that twenty eight thousand numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean this is you know, it's
going to be crazy to start things off, of course,
you know, but I mean this is the way you
should kick off the World Series. Every year, was there
sort of a massive field tournament? Shout out massive all right.
We also have the ten k GG millions. Nolan would
hold them high Roller as event number eleven on the schedule.
Ten thousand dollars buy in there. Two starting flights.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna notice that this is a theme for
some of these events. Additional starting flights, notably in a
in a handful of these high rollers, where they went
to two starting flights. Event number sixteen is the seventeen
dollars US Circuit Championship, which is a tournament that I'm
not sure I understand. Like, so I first see this
and I see, okay, it's called DOWSIP event number sixteen,
seventeen dollars Nolan maan HoldEm USSIP Circuit Championship. If it's
an official divisipy event with a number, then that tells
me it's a bracelet event.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, that's what I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Okay, But it's called the Circuit Championship. So is it
also give a ring? Is it part of the circuit?
Like what what is the relationship between this event and
the circuit? Also weird buy in? But but this is
the buying that's used on in circuit events. Yes, also
US is the world not allowed?
Speaker 3: It's Americans only?
Speaker 1: This is how this works. Like, I'm just kind of
confused here. It's just kind of interesting that it's all
like that. I'm assuming it's just it's just a divisipy event.
It's a seven hundred dollars buying nolanman holdam divisipy event. Like,
I don't, you know, I don't the name is the name, but.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're trying to basically, you know, connect the
WSP with you know, their little brother WSP circuit. This
is kind of a way to put it more in
front of people. They did this a WSP paradise for
people qualifying.
Speaker 1: How does this how does this make that connection other
than the name, like like how like what does it.
Speaker 3: Actually buy in in the name.
Speaker 2: I really think that might might just be it, you know,
I don't think there's much more kind of outside of
that to be.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like, if you're really going to connect it,
you need to like qualify people. You start with the name,
and like every person that cash is gets a ticket
to play a circuit event or like like you know,
like actually like connect the dots.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, I agree.
Speaker 2: I guess that's maybe they have more future plans where
they you know, they couldn't roll in. Maybe the plan
is that is to award packages, et cetera. But you
know that's something they could really do on this short notice.
But maybe that's the plan for you know, the twenty
twenty seven well was there's Poko bet I.
Speaker 1: Already know after this podcast, we're going to get several
messages from our friend Jeff Plat. Jeff, forgive us for
all the nonsense we're about to say, but you will
correct us afterwards. Happy to have you on at any point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, idiots, but.
Speaker 1: You're still not getting into the Hall of Fame. I'm sorry.
But other than that, other than that, all good. So yeah,
So nove number sixteen, the seventeen hundred dollars US Circuit
Championship us ws AP Circuit Chance. That's a whole freaking mouthful.
Event Number fifty three the fifteen hundred dollars five card
PLO event that should do very well. I would guess
the even number ninety one another PLO. This one's pick
your PLO. It's a dealer's choice PLO format where you
can pick PLO PLO, eight, five card PLO or big O.
So four games in the rotation.
Speaker 2: I'm similar to what we did a couple of years ago.
I'm surprised they didn't put double board. Yeah, I think
you could put double board in there. I also think
you could put six card PLO. I guess I'm pretty
Six card.
Speaker 1: PLO is available on dobs ap dot com.
Speaker 3: How many handed do you play?
Speaker 2: Sixto can only play No, you can't play nine handed,
so you can only play eight So that's probably maybe
an issue.
Speaker 1: Well, then make the tournament eight hand I mean, how
many people are going to be playing this tournament that
you can't make it eight handed?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and then I know it's I don't
think it's this doesn't count as bracelets right this next correct,
But we're putting it on here just to talk about
as you know, new events as part of THESP Extravaganza
throughout the summer. Is that July fourteenth through twenty fifth
is the Summer Circuit Series. So maybe that's like, you know,
maybe in this Circuit Championship you win some sort of
ticket to play in the Summer Circuit Series like something
like that. I think that's like the tie or somehow.
Speaker 2: And they do that schedule at that's eighteen events. There's
a five K hyroller, there's a three K hiroller, there's
a two k hiroller, and obviously the seventeen hundred main event.
But yeah, it's very much a very typical circuit stop.
You know, they've got the four hundred dollars mini main event,
they got six hundred dollars buy ins Nightlely, Deep Stacks Satellite,
It's Monster Stacks Plo Ladies events. So it's very very
much a circuit event, and and you know, the buy
ins outside of obviously there's hirollers are kind of what
you would expect for any kind of US based circuit stop.
Speaker 1: So those are the new events, plus that that new
series that's going to take place all during the summer.
And then we have, of course some events that are
no longer with us. Rip rip to the nineteen seventy
nine Poker Hall of Fame Bounty, Goodbye. I hate this event.
I'm happy it's gone. See you later. The seven hundred
and seventy dollars Lucky Sevens event is no more, which
also awarded a first place priorly of seven hundred and
seventy seven seven and seventy seven dollars, So that's gone.
This one might strike a chord with some people. The
three thousand dollars Limit Hold Them is gone? Are we
just trying to kill limit hold Them?
Speaker 3: You should?
Speaker 1: Who changed one of our horse events to tours which
has also been which also happened last year at the
would be the three K Horse became the three K Tors.
Correct that that happened.
Speaker 3: People are just.
Speaker 1: Trying to kill limit hold them instead kill it.
Speaker 2: Look, they still have two other limit hold them events.
They've only always had like the last few years.
Speaker 1: Three So what are the they have fifteen hundred and
ten k's that.
Speaker 2: Ten and ten K they used to have this three K.
I think they may have done a limit shootout before too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a that that's a wild for
level years three K one, it's three K six max.
Speaker 3: It's the six max.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this one should stay. This one should have stayed,
wasn't it. I mean we should have looked at the numbers,
but like, was it well at ten? Did I feel
like this one was well attended?
Speaker 3: It's limit hold them. It's not ever going to be
well attended.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you should have had the fifteen hundred,
the three K six max limit hold them, and the
ten K limit hold them all in the same week.
Speaker 3: Yes, agreed.
Speaker 1: Another event that's gone, which I saw a fair amount
of chatter about people saying like they're kind of bummed
that this event is gone, the fifty hundred dollars no
limit hold them shootout rip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shootout.
Speaker 2: They improved it last year by adding the day one
b option, Yeah, I think and everyone loved that and which.
Speaker 1: That's weird to like make that improvement. Yeah, like you're
basically like you're kind of investing into the event more
and it did well and then now it's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a very popular event. Obviously, there's
you know, let's let's think of it from the operator side,
there's no re entries, I mean outside of that other flight.
But you know, it's basically a freeze out. It does
take you know, you can't break tables. Your tables have
to finish out. So from a legacy, it's great money
maker for the WSP but I think it's a vital
part of you know, the WSV schedule.
Speaker 1: And then this event is is still there, but it's
just has a name change. The six hundred dollar Poker
News Deep Stack Championship has been renamed to the six
hundred dollars Deep Stack Championship, so just dropping Poker News
from that. So I'm curious there. I'm guessing Poker News
isn't going to have the same involvement with the Deep
Sacks as a whole as they did last year. They
did a whole bunch of coverage for it. They gave
out little medallions if you made fund labels, all that
sort of stuff. So I'm guessing that that part of
things might be going away as well, which you know,
I don't think is like the biggest deal, but notable,
of course.
Speaker 2: It's it's notable, and I think it's you know, obviously
the deep stacks that Pokernese are doing extended coverage of.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a it's a smaller buying.
Speaker 2: It appeals to a certain play a pool, and I
think it's still important to highlight that. So it is
a shame for you know, that playpool not to have
such a highlight on on those daily deep stacks. But yeah,
so yeah, that one's just a little bit of a rename,
but it's still there, still probably in a event that's
going to be worth playing. Good structure late in the series.
Speaker 1: Now, I think that there's one event or one format
of an event that they are missing. Actually I think
there's two or three, and I'll try and rank these
Mystery Bounty, oh my god, did you imagine a limit
hold of mystery?
Speaker 3: Good Lord?
Speaker 1: I think I'll try and list these in terms of priority.
One is I think that they're missing a PKO. Now,
I know you and I have talked about this in
the past. I think we've talked about it on this podcast.
Maybe it was last summer or some other time. But
you know, logistically at the ws AP, when the fields
are just so much bigger than everywhere else, it's got
to be extremely difficult to operate a PKO. So my
solution there would be you do a PKO of a
very high buy in twenty five K, fifteen K, you know,
something just very very high, which I think a lot
of those players would love, absolutely love, and it's it's
a little bit more contained because it's a it's a smaller,
more exclusive field. So I think like a twenty five
K p KO would be sick. So I think that's
something that I, you know, I would have wanted them
to add, And you know, I think it's a miss
to not have another one. Is I think your addition
to the mix series, the Big Bet Mix. They don't
have one of those, do they they.
Speaker 3: Have a.
Speaker 2: No, I think they did, Yeah, twenty five hundred Big Mix.
Well they call it mixed Big Bet, Yes they did.
They've had that for a while.
Speaker 3: Games is it same same games we had in the
mix series.
Speaker 1: Okay, sweet, forgive me there, I'm an idiot for whatever reason,
I didn't think that that included. I think five card
high is what I was thinking of, But that one,
I also think that.
Speaker 3: You could you could do a big buying of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you could do a ten k
like I could. I think I think I've always kind
of said this, but like, if you're gonna have one
one event of a variant, you just go for like
the twenty five hundred or the three k price point.
But then if you're gonna have two, you go fifteen
hundred and ten k, And I think they've kind of
always followed that plan, which I really liked. So like,
I think you could go fifteen hundred and then I
think you could go ten k for this, Like that
would be kind of cool. And the other one is
I still I'm still a sucker for the Triple Stud.
I'm just I'm gonna be forever a sucker for the
Triple Stud.
Speaker 2: So just you know, you know, you talk about like
putting the limit hold them together, you could definitely put
you know, the raz Stud side of high lower smaller
buyings within a wake. The next week, you do the
bigger buyings. You can definitely do that. There's definitely well
for a triple stud.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: I would be curious if I don't really know how
you would test this, but I actually just doing it
and testing it and seeing the data, and I kind
of think that things will eventually move this way in
however many years. But that's that the ten K Championship,
seven Card STUAD events, so stud stud, high, low, and
ras are eventually gone and you just have a triple stud.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm in the ten K binds or all of them.
Speaker 1: Like, so instead of having one of each, you would
just have one event with all three and then that
basically opens the window for like two other events at
a time period. Now, I don't know what I'm saying,
Like I would want to test it this because like
I don't know what would do better numbers wise, but
like you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think the individual ones would do better, to be honest, Yeah,
I mean there's there's definitely like stud specialists and specialists.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I think I lean your way right,
But I'm enough on the fence that I would probably
want to try and test it, although I don't really
know how to test it without actually just testing it
and you could ruin things.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of think.
Speaker 2: I think the best way to test it, to be honest,
is you you know you do like looking at where
is it? You basically do your fifteen hundred horse. Then
I would do a five K triple start, and then
you do the ten K horse. I think that is
a good I think you have to think of a
good schedule spot as well, but that's where I might
do it. I don't think, actually, why.
Speaker 1: Would you do five k? Normally when they test things
like that, they do three k, like three k and
you know.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that. I think we need more five ks.
Speaker 1: Also, don't. I don't disagree with your point about how
like you know you have like stud experts or stud
eight experts, et cetera. But if you were to get
rid of the three and make it all just one event,
don't those experts aren't they forced to play this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But I think he may not get them to
play like I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I don't disagree, but also like I don't,
I don't know because I feel like I feel like
when you have, for example, the twenty five K half
and half, like you get nolam at Holdham experts that
dive in, Like they won't play a twenty five K
PLO straight up, but they'll dive into the half and
half even.
Speaker 2: So that's why That's why I also said five K
would be because like if your RAS game is not
as proficient as your stud games, that you start high
and stuid high low, you know, instead of a custing
ten K, Like five K is a good prize point
where the prize pool is going to be big. Now,
like you said, why does it to be five? It
could be three? Yeah, sure, I just like adding a
few more different buying numbers, That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: I also want to point out that overall, I think
the schedule is is good. It's also funny because you
see it every year on social media and you know,
people ask you and they talk about it in various
poper circles. You know, when's the schedule coming out? When's
the schedule coming out? I mean it's it's pretty much
the same thing every year. Yeah, Like there's only like
a few small changes. Yet everyone thinks it's like this
monumental shift when it's just not.
Speaker 3: I think people expect monumental shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's it's it's just not at the
end of the day like you can pretty much map
out like exactly what the schedule is going to be,
and you.
Speaker 2: Know the weekends are reserved for the big no limits
and then you're going to stagger. You know, they're going
to stagger events where there's where there's player overlapp. It's
just like a giant puzzle piece really, and it's always
going to be depending on the days of the week
and what events they want to add new. And then
you know last year they made one big change where
they kind of added they added extra flys to some
of these no limit events, so you know, these events
stretch out longer. Now that has a ripple effect for
every other event this year. We're going to touch on soon,
you know, with more starting flights in some events and
different ways they do Day two, there's a ripple effect
you know, post that event and into other similar you
know events with the buying and the game time.
Speaker 1: Something that also just popped into my head is because
the set, the main stage is moving to Paris, I
would assume that they're going to flip how they do
like the big Field Day ones and stuff like, weren't
a lot of those in Paris, and then now they're
going to be in Horseshoe And my thinking is that
that Horseshoe Hallway is a quarter of the size of
the Paris so that that could be.
Speaker 3: Why they do that.
Speaker 2: You know, if people remember from last year they had
what was it, maybe twenty five percent of the Paris
room was dedicated to cash games. The only time they
opened that for tournaments was on the really really big
like Colossus Mystery Millions kind of days. So if they're
moving the set to Paris, that's obviously going to take
up say that entire area. Are they still going to
keep cash game a cash game section there because in
that limits, you know, the amount of tournament tables they
can have twenty four seven, I'd put the cash. Yeah,
no one cares about cash game. Let them go to
Blagio anywhere else. You just worry about bracelets.
Speaker 1: So if well, I mean the bottom line might tell
you to go f off there, buddy, Sure, yes, I
mean the cash always look like they're doing pretty well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this day is we would will pass it
on days it was five tables going, and then there's
days where the whole thing was full. So it's obviously
you know, eaves and flows. But yeah, I would try
and have all tournament tables in there, and then you
know you can run some of the big no limits
stuff in there. You could also still have you know,
the high buying event in the corner, you know mat
with neither set or something. Then you have you know,
day one a miss.
Speaker 1: My point that I was making last summer is that
like a one K bracelet every night, like one table,
let's just go. I mean, what if we're driving revenue,
let's just drive the revenue to the freaking moon baby like.
Speaker 3: On you know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, I mean, you know, I'll hold it
until we kind of give our thoughts, but yes, there's
definitely a room for something similar to that.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into some of the event changes,
you know, stuff that's stuff that's on the event still
from on the schedule from past years, but you know
there might be some adjustments that are made. First thing
that stuck out to me this, this jumped out to
me immediately when I I opened the schedule. The twenty
five K Heads Up Championship is now two flights, and
I was like, wait, that wasn't two flights before? Right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And then I looked. Of course it wasn't. So they
are moving to two flights. Each flight is going to
be sixty four entries. Very interesting. I don't really know
how I feel about it. You can play both flights.
If you play flight A and bust, you can play
flight B. So you know, you could be in this
thing for fifty K as opposed to twenty five K initially,
and you know, I reserve the right to change my mind,
but initially I think not a good change. That's my
first thought. I like the fact that this was capped
at sixty four and if you missed it, you missed out.
That's on you. Yeah, me, like so yeah, I mean
I I yeah, And if you have I feel like,
if you have enough of an appetite, I would have
probably pushed to raise the buy in versus adding a
second flight first, like go to fifty K at sixty
four entries one flight, versus keep it at twenty five
K and add a second one. So yeah, I just
think that this is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? I hate it.
Speaker 2: I hate going to the one twenty eight for several reasons.
It's the biggest thing I'm going to say though. If
you go back look at like twenty sixteen, seventeen, it
used to be if you remember, a ten thousand dollars
buying heads up. In twenty nineteen we had one hundred
and twelve entrance, so we didn't make the full we'll
call it a double bracket. Twenty twenty one they upped
the buying at twenty five k. That was the first
year we went to twenty five, or not the first year,
but we went up to twenty five. Didn't hit the
sixty four. Obviously that was the year coming out of COVID,
so yep, okay, maybe that was the thing. And then
since then we've we've hit that max. Just going up
to one twenty eight it just allows just is a
bit of risk. I think the FOMO for this event
is the best part. It's you know, when someone logs
in and deposits all their money into WSP plus app
and they want to play this. This is the first
one they're registering because they need to be part of
the sixty four. And the other issue is with the
two flights on a different days. I think it affects
the integrity of the tournament a little bit, you know.
And this was brought up on Twitter. This is not
my thought. This was you know, reading someone much more
intelligent than me. Is that you know, you can register
for one B and by the way, if you bust
one A, you can play one B. But you register
one B and then you can just look at the
updates you know, Twitter, Instagram, Poker News, Poka, dot Org,
WSP whoever, see who made it. And then your decision
to decide to oh, do I want to actually play
one B or do I want to unregister can be
swayed by who's kind of advanced. And now you can say, well,
it's going to be different sides of the brackets. Yes,
I would expect that to be different sides of the brackets,
but these guys are smart enough to calculate have their
ev changes whether you know this player makes it or
this player makes it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It basically comes down to if you think that if
you were to win your first match and then get
thrown into that next group or whatever, that you know,
win the matches to get into that next day whatever
that is, if that's gonna be much harder than you
originally thought, then you just on register and don't play.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how it goes. I think here,
I think with this event, you could explore an online portion.
Speaker 3: Yeah I say this every and.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that starts at like five K or something,
and like at some point they get merged into the
field live, Like I think you could do that, and
then this event could be freaking massive.
Speaker 2: I mean I've said this every year, and follows me
on Twitter they would see my recent post talking about
a heads up series. But I think the World Series
is a perfect spot to run a five hundred dollars
buying heads up on WSP dot com where you play
down to say the final eight. You could do a
five K version and a ten K version all online
play down to the final eight or four whatever you
think it is. You come to Vegas, you know, maybe
it's the end of June. You finish that, and then
after that is the twenty five k. So ideally you
get some of those people that may have qualified for
five hundred bucks in one shit ton of money jump
in the twenty five K. I think I think police
players like heads up tournaments because they're so rare. There's
you know, one a year at the World Series. You know,
I don't think we see them at any other major stop.
You know, there are obviously at places like the Lodge
and stuff, but nothing like a major series will run
aheads up tournament, and I think a five hundred dollars
heads up tournament five K, ten K whatever it is
as well, would be incredibly well attended and you know,
do it online literally zero labor. So but yeah, I mean,
at the end of the day, one hundred and twenty eight,
one hundred and twenty four players, I think they'll I
think they'll get there, right.
Speaker 1: You think they'll get there? I mean, well, actually, when
you consider the when you consider the.
Speaker 2: The re entry entry aspect, if you're going to I
think every I think I think every loser will nearly
want to play. Like you know, who plays his heads up.
It's not what people like just taking their shot. It's
like heads up specialists. So I'm wondering how registration works.
Can I register one A and one B and then
if I make it through, I have to cancel my
one B. I would expect, you know, the Adria Mataos
and the Daniel and Grano's, et cetera, to all register
both flights.
Speaker 1: What if you play Day one A and you bust
and Day one b is full. You don't care, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why I think people, you know, like you, people
are going to think about this straight away and they're
going to look in their app and be like, oh,
I can register both. I'll register both because I can
always I can always just say cancel it and get
all my money back so they don't miss out. That's
what I would expect happened.
Speaker 1: Some other notable changes in terms of flights for events,
the fifty Monster Stack and the fifteen dollars Millionaire Maker.
They are both taking the approach that we saw at
WSP Paradise for the Superman event.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, So basically what that means is you can play
a day one flight, then play a.
Speaker 3: Day two flights, yes, the next lost.
Speaker 1: And then go back into a day one flight. Yes, right,
that's how this that's how this is outlined.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts there.
Speaker 3: For the Millionaire Maker.
Speaker 2: I don't care as much for the Monster Stack, and
I think I see I've seen the most stuff online
relative was to the Monster Stack because.
Speaker 1: And the Monsters Deck used to be well it was
it was freeze out per flight.
Speaker 2: Well, I think at one point it it was just
a freeze out. It was it was only a day one,
day two, day three. I'm talking like, you know, twenty sixteen.
Like the first year, it came out right and then
it evolved. Okay, they added another flight, and now it's
become this this event that's a bit more gimmicky when
I think a lot of people and I said, this
is the I'm directly quoting someone here, like this is
a lot of people's main event, you know, the Monster Stack,
good structure, deep structure. You know, basically it's a freeze
out for them. And you know, obviously now they have
the mini main event. But I think I wouldn't have
done this for the month Stack. I would I would
play around with the Millionaire Maker, the Colosses, the Mystery Millions.
I would try and keep you know, a few more
of these kind of better structured events, you know, like
the Mini main event and the Monster Stack. So a
little bit disappointed in there, but I get it. Like
you know, I think at the end of the day,
the WSP always want to well, at the end of
the day, they always want to make money, so this
does help with that, but they always want to try
and have big numbers for all their events, and this
is a way to essentially get someone to play. They cash,
they jump back in, they cash, they jump back in.
Speaker 3: You know, you could cash four.
Speaker 2: Times in the Millionaire Maker, And I think you know,
if that's what if that if you can only come
out for four or five days and you've only got
a limited amount of money, you know, that's probably what
you're going to spend it on and just lost away
fifteen hundred dollars a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Monster Stack this year. So the first flight,
flight A, will be on June third. Then then there's
a flight every single day June third, June fourth, June fifth,
June sixth. On June fourth, so the day after Flight A,
that's when the first Day two is, and then there's
a Day two on June fourth, June fifth, June sixth,
June seventh. So you advance from flight A immediately the
next day you hop into your Day two. If you
were to bust that, you could just hop right back
into flight B. So an original starting flight then you
can basically repeat that process ye, and you can re
enter once per flight. So there's gonna be a lot
of turnover in this event. A lot of people going
for it, I would say that that that sort of structure.
I have two things on the structure here. One is
I think it's going to lend itself to better players
performing better in the event, yes, which makes it harder
for not as good players to win, which I think
is a negative. I'm also just curious, is this a
slow introduction to the thing that we saw at WSIP
Paradise in the Super Main event starting to become more
than norm for the Dobasip on the whole. They're starting
it now with the Monster Stack and the Millionaire Maker, Like,
is it going to just start coming into more and
more events? Also, I think the Classus as well. Is
the Clausus also doing this just basically it's going to
be because the norm basically like eventually, It's not It's
not like they're gonna make all events like this immediately,
you know maybe, But is it like this year they
have a couple, next year they have a couple more,
and then it just builds and builds and builds. Is
this is this gonna be the new norm?
Speaker 2: I think it might be for these so they're not
give me the events like Marquee lower buying events. I
think this could become the norm, except for like you know,
when we talk about the Mystery Millions or the Mini Mystery,
they won't have it for that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it could be.
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna have it for the Monster Stack,
the Colossus, and the Millionaire Maker.
Speaker 3: And I would expect it to stay that way going forward.
I mean, that's not necessarius.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just asking a lot of bank rules.
Speaker 2: It's it's an expensive world series for you know, I
think you and me kind of fit in that playpool
of like those kind of buyings. Whatever you thought you
were spending. You know, maybe you budgeted twenty five k
or thirty K last year, that number is going to
go up this year, or you're gonna have.
Speaker 3: To resume the events you want to play.
Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, you have to kind of look at
it and be like, oh, well this this fifteen hundred
dollars months to stack really might be a twelvesand dollars tonament.
All right, So okay, should I just say that Should
I save that twelve k for the main event and
the Mini Maine? You know, like I think people are
going to have to make really conscious bankrow decisions with
that that playpool.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the play a.
Speaker 2: Pool of those like Midstaks, guys that that maybe only
have the twenty k that they're going to allocate to
the WSP this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to watch
it play out. I mean, I think it's also one
of those things where, you know, kind of talking similar
to what I talked about in the last podcast. Poker
as a whole, I think there's just going to be
a lag in seeing some stuff. So I think this
year will be fine, you know, but if it just
continues down this path, I mean, I don't know, there's
only so much money.
Speaker 3: That people have.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's also point it's just going to
come back to bite everyone.
Speaker 2: It's also a tough year to do it with the
you know, the tax stuff is still not you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I mean, I personally think that that's
just not going to come up this year. I think
people are just still blasting because they're just blasting and
then you know, if they get hit with the bigger
tax bill where they can't write as much off, then
they're going to realize, okay, I need to start pulling
type of thing. The fifteen big o that added a
second starting flight. You have the Seniors Championship added a
day two, so they're doing the same thing. You know,
you play flight day next day, you play your Day
two while the other flight is playing. So I would
imagine this seniors event, which always does freaking bonkers numbers
every year, those numbers are going to go up. I
would imagine. Yeah, you have the one K Mystery Millions
added a nighttime turbo flight one each, Yeah, lasting that thing. Yeah, well,
you have both the the one K Mini main event,
which is freeze out per flight. It was previously two
starting flights, it's now three starting flights. And then you
have the three K mid Stakes Championship. They also added
a third starting flight there. So I think overall it's
it seems like you're going to need a little bit
more of a bank roll as you did in prior years.
So you put the package together or something like that,
you're gonna need, you know, a few extra bullets in
the chamber to be able to get through the whole summer,
So you know, just be prepared in that regard. And
then you also have on the higher buying side, we
already talked about the new edition being that ten KGG
Million's high Roller coming in with two starting flights. Well,
the twenty five K Nola at Holdham high Roller, the
eight handed one that's also going to have two starting flights,
and the twenty five K PLO high Roller is also
going to have two starting flights, which is interesting, right,
So I think that that's particularly interesting as you and
I know you know, you certainly know just US players
at least have talked about scaling back at the higher
buying specific due to the tax thing. I mean, we
saw it with we saw it with Jeremy Osmas. He
played one bullet in the twenty five K Mixed Games Championship,
didn't reenter because he's scaling back on on stuff above
ten k. So are you gonna like, is is this
the right move at the right time type of thing?
I mean, we'll see. I think you're still gonna get
enough of the non US blasters to be pumping up
the prize sbol here of course, but you know, and
then yeah, it's it's gonna be hard for someone like
I mean, I just use Jeremy Osmas as an example
because he's been out there talking about it and we
saw it firsthand when he didn't pull a second bullet
in that event where it's just like, is he just
gonna be like kind of forced to to play this
because the field is like the field and the prize
board just like, oh man, really you're really forces my
hand here. I gotta get back in.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, well, you know, I think this
this event, I'm gonna pull it up, try and pull
out right now. But this event previously was I believe
two re entries.
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 2: Is someone just gonna that may have allocated, like say,
Jeremy allocated you know, seventy five K to play this.
Is he going to just allocate it differently? As in
he might just do you know one late on day
one A and then two on the day one B.
Speaker 1: It's one re entry perfectly, okay, Yeah, So maybe like
what they instead of them, you know, maybe they're going
to approach it differently.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about players being on time and
that helps the tournament's kick up, but they may just
wait so they you know, maybe they want to put
one bullet in on one A and then then they
just do you know one on one B. So I
would expect this event number like field wise to go up,
but not in the way where.
Speaker 3: You saw, you know, a second fight completely.
Speaker 1: How long? How long was this event last year?
Speaker 3: It's a street it was a street day.
Speaker 1: Ever, well, okay, because this year you have of Day
one A on June third, Day one B on June fourth,
then June fifth, June sixth, June seventh, and that's a
long event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that ain't like basically so if you.
Speaker 1: Play Day one A and you go on to win,
not that that matters so much for this player, but
it takes away entries elsewhere, like you're not just like firing,
firing and firing, like I mean, I guess it is
interesting because we've heard Sean Deep talk about this and
he even like kind of said that he advised Phil
Hellmuth that, like you remember, Sean Deep last year was like,
I'm thinking about skipping the w's main event because if
I get sucked into that event for six days and
I'm chasing Player of the Year, I should really be
going for volume, not for necessarily the highest ROI because
what he's after is the player of the year stuff,
and if that's what I want, and the same thing
with Hellmut That's why Dee was trying to kind of
convince Helmut down this path is that if Helmeut's goal
is number of bracelets, then getting stuck in one tournament
that w's be made a then being the biggest example
of this because it has the most extended player friendly structure.
You don't want to just get stuck in that tournament
for a week and be unable to play everything else. Well,
you could basically get stuck in that tournament for a
week not win a bracelet, or in that same time frame,
you might win two or three other bracelets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for this twenty five K you added the day.
You're right, it's also about a week. It's a week
stretching the WSP. It's quite action packed for these high
ROLLA players. You got that twenty five K, you got
another twenty five K, six max, fifty K no limit,
one hundred K no limit. Then they all they all
start on basically day three of each other. The problem
with the event we're talking about right now is that
it has added a day for and you're going to
just the five people, six people that make that final
day for the final table. They're not going to play
the you know, the twenty five K six max at all.
And also you have the day two registration, but it's
going to be before that.
Speaker 1: Still register on day two for this, which I feel
like is antithetical to adding a starting fleet. I feel
like if you had a starting play, you would make
rid end on the day once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree.
Speaker 2: It's you know, with this, like we've said, this climber,
with the taxes, I think you didn't need to add
a flight to this. The GG millions, I think that's fine,
that's a new event.
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I think these high rollers have been pretty you know,
these are pretty good at the World Series. You know,
there's big numbers, there's a lot of people you know
from overseas internationals playing, so Americans are going to play
them anyway. But now this is just like I think
it's asking a little too much, especially with you know,
you look at this schedule. I got the twenty five
o K, another twenty five K, fifty K, one hundred K.
I got the two to fifty K later in the series.
You know, it's very expensive, very quickly.
Speaker 1: You also put in our notes removed a day from
the Omaha High Low Championship. Yeah, so does that mean
that they also changed the structure. I haven't run, but
it was always four days.
Speaker 2: So I put that note because you know, in previous years,
I would lay out the schedule, you know, in a timeline,
and then we kind of look at where we want
to stream, and you know, that was always that's always
gonna be a day for and you know last year
it was it took four days. So I noticed that
and I was like, oh, I'm wondering if they made
you know, a structure changed to that event, as well
as maybe other ten k split Pot Championship events. But
you know, I didn't really need to go too deep
since we're not, you know, predicting final tables and what
we need to stream this year. I just thought it
was an interesting note. That's always been pretty much a
four day event, just like the ten k Horse, but yeah,
they're chopping that down to three days.
Speaker 1: So all in all, I think the schedule is pretty good,
you know, I think it's it's basically just on par
with with last year, which I thought was probably the
best schedule that they've they've done maybe ever. You know,
just I thought it all flowed pretty nicely. Just a
couple of things here or there were kind of stuck out,
and I think the player feedback is something that I'm
going to lean on the most, which I know a
lot of the players were pretty happy with last year's schedule,
and I know Tim and I got into like the
nitty gritty of this year's schedule because that's what we're
trying to do here with this episode. But overall, it's
it's very similar to last year, and it's still a
very good schedule. I think numbers are going to be
very good and very bullish on all the numbers across
the Divasophy. Of course, adding some flights is going to
boost everything up. Yes, but you know, I think that
I think it's good. I like moving that Mystery millions
to closer to the Dobasophy main event. I like that addition.
Speaker 2: Do you think they add some main event seat bounties
as prizes instead of like ten K cash?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would say I think they should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, if you just my only thing
is like and this is like it's one of those
things where it's a good problem to have, so you know,
first world problem, but there's always a chance that somebody
pulls one of those that can't play the main event. Yeah,
like so is that just an extra hiccup and things?
So would you rather just give them the ten k
cash and just hope that they parlay it into the
main event anyway?
Speaker 2: Like you know, No, I'd rather give them a seat
and if they don't want to play, then I'll roll
it to next year or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying it makes it easiest just to
say here's ten k cash.
Speaker 3: Like that's just easy, you know, sure, like, but like
that's what.
Speaker 2: Look, we wind up back two years to what WPT
did and with the you know, the club WPT free role.
I if you remember, I want a WPTC, but I
immediately tried to cash it out like I wanted the cash.
I would have taken less than you're a knit. Yes,
I would have taken less than market value. But yet
you know, I was forced to play, and I played,
I busted whatever. But you know, if they care about
we want a really big main event number this year,
I would be looking at you know, they've added an
extra fly, so you would expect more money in the price.
I would take some of those five K bounties, you know,
and then chop them down to one ks. But also
then make some of them ten K main events seats.
You have to admit that, you know, I would say
there's a good portion of that mystery millions Field is
not probably playing the main event.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not They're not a lock to play the main event, right,
So this is a way to get some of those
fringe people in. I think it's worth doing that, especially
with it being so close and he and there's there's
obviously a way we can kind of add to that.
It's like, you know, the main event starts two days later, right,
do those people Okay, I want a main event seat,
I'll play one D But now, okay, I have to
be here.
Speaker 3: I was going to fly home.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play the mini main event, and I'm
going to play you know this three K or the
six hundred deep stag. I've got to get a couple
more nights at the hotel at Paris, I got to
spend more money and food. There's some obviously, like you know,
more ways WSP slash Caesars, slash GG, slash Horse. Who
can make some money doing that, And I think it'd
be a good way to do it.
Speaker 1: Where are you at on dobisity main event numbers.
Speaker 3: Overs name the number i'm.
Speaker 1: Overs last year was nine thousand and three and thirty five.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, whatever the record is, I'm taking overs on
the record. Really, I'm normally pretty pessimistic about this. I
just think I think GG is going to be all in.
You know, this is their first year where it's really
all theirs, right, the production everything, and remember two years
ago they made a really big effort to break the record.
I think this year they're going to go even bigger.
You know, with WSP online satellites, GG pokers satellites, twenty
five seed scrambles, fifty seeds scrambles, you know they're going
to they're delaying the final table. I think they're kind
of all in on just like record breaking everything, and
like you've seen it with the events, the added fights,
the day twos, their numbers, the entrant numbers are going
to be through the roof, right, you know, the unique
numbers might be down, but that doesn't No one cares
about that. They just care about total entrance. And I
think they'll make an even bigger effort to make sure
the main event breaks the record. Yeah, I mean, look
at that still aside, does any tax doesn't even mean generally.
Speaker 1: Always I'm always bullish and little it is form event, okay, right,
And I don't know exactly where I stand just yet,
but what I will say is that I think you're
kind of seeing a little bit of everything that you're
getting at just with this promotion that's going to be
running at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas, the Cash Game promotion, Yeah,
where they're given out what is it, twenty five seats
to the main event.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then assorted seats for other events. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically, if you play at least one hundred hours
at of cash over a certain timeframe, I forget the
exact timeframe at Horseshoe, Las Vegas. So in the poker room,
this is this is before the summer, you get into
you can buy into like a twenty dollars tournament, and
then if you get like if you play like one
hundred and fifty hours, you get more chips, and like
two hundred hours you get more chips, and then like
the top twenty five are going to get a seat
into the WSPMIN event. So just when you're when you're
putting out initiatives like that, like I would even say
they should do that during the summer in the main
poker room, you know, when they're running cash in the
main poker but.
Speaker 3: They should do it at every seasons.
Speaker 1: Sure, But even just just this is a step in
the right direction in terms of like their qualification efforts.
So I think this is if what you're saying ends
up being correct, then you can look at this as
like the starting point for all of the other stuff
that's going to come, you know, in terms of qualifying
more people in So that's that's cool to see. I
personally wish I had that many hours to go sit
there and play cash. I don't, but I would say
I understand I can't do it. But I would also
say that, you know, why couldn't you do this online?
Oh yeah, X number of hands you know, and twenty
thousand hands or something, right, like and just drive people
to play cash on wsp dot com. You can do
like every month. Yeah, I like that, you know, like
that would be that would be cool, right, or like
you know, every every five hundred hands you play or
every hundred hands you play, you get a virtual rival
ticket and then at the end of every month, it's
thrown into this this barrel they do the drawing that
they give out some main evans. It's like, I think
that would be cool as well. Yeah, all right, WSB
Player of the Year, which I think Tim and I
talked about before, but as a reminder, we're going to
get into it. It starts with doubs AP Europe this
year and WSP Europe starts soon, right is it?
Speaker 3: Is it marchers at April one of the others very
end of March.
Speaker 1: Okay, w s AP is bringing one million dollars in
leaderboard prizes for the was B Player of the Year.
First place gets one hundred k WSIP Paradise package plus
the POI title. Second third also get one hundred k
WSP Paradise Package. There's prizes for four through fifteenth, there's
prizes through sixteenth through fiftieth, and then there's prizes for
fifty first through one hundredth So the top one hundred
players ranked on the WSP Player of the Year leaderboard,
which again starts with WSP Europe that is coming up.
There is one million dollars in prizes up for grabs.
So for everyone that was constantly like, we want prizes,
we want prizes, we want prizes. Here's your shot. The
prizes are there, go for it. Tim has some notes
here on media presence. Why don't you just get into
these because you're the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I have more. It's more questions about,
you know, how things are going to be this year.
And we've heard rumors from different outlets. We've heard from
our friends of pocones. You know, they're doing everything they're
doing like normal. We obviously have people that work with
us that are working for the WSP plus app, and
you know, we all expect a bigger team, bigger hands
on presence. You know, this kind of goes into everything
they're doing right with GG and and WSP just trying
to basically make everything WSP centric and I we're going
to assume a much bigger team there. And then I
would say maybe for BOG at all, but they might
be dialing it back a little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Going to see how, you know, how kind of GG
WSP treat things. We saw a paradise it was kind
of a free for all, so probably something very similar
for the media outlets this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm always interested in this sort of stuff,
so I'm guess I'm just willing to see how it
all kind of shakes out, and nor really have any
like takes your thoughts right now? All right, let's get
into some fun. Which events not including the main event?
So I can't name the main event? Well, let me
let me ask this to start. Are you playing the
main event this year?
Speaker 3: I would like to.
Speaker 1: I still have you got to get a mass streak going, right.
Speaker 2: I still have the buy in sitting in my safe
ready to go, planning to unless something work wise would
prevent me from playing.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we're gonna talk about which events
not including the main event do we want to play.
I tentatively did like a little schedule, basically thinking like
and I do this every single year going into the summer.
Like if I were to play me personally a full
schedule based on what I think, you know, one I
could have a decent piece of the of all the events,
I can sell some action, Like I'm not just being like, yeah,
I'm gonna play every day and I'm gonna spend foreigner
cam Byron's Like, I don't think that's even like feasible
for me. I mean maybe I could do it, I
don't I don't know, So I put a bunch of
events down that I that I would I would target
to play. So basically anything, no limit, hold them. That
is twenty five hundred dollars in under is my answer.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I, well, I didn't put the the Gladiators.
I'm gonna try and avoid that with all costs. I
would love to avoid the Colossus too, at all cost
but I did put it down on the schedule, but
I would love to avoid it. And my reasoning is that,
you know, like every time I've played it, you're playing
ten handed. It's just a freaking disaster, Like I just
can't Like every time I play it, I'm like excited,
and then ten minutes in, I'm like, why did I
do this to myself? So maybe I'll not do it,
But I would say I would say the one that
I'm most looking forward to is, well, there's two, the
Monster Stack and the Million Maker. I've never played the
Monster Stack. I've talked about it how I've always wanted
to play it, but it's one of those ones where
it's just so long if you get stuck in it,
like I just you know, could never take away from
work and that sort of stuff. But it's also always
one that I put on my schedule saying like if
it works out with work and family and life and
all that sort of stuff, then yeah, I would love
to get in there in this sort of format. So
so yeah, so I would put that on there. And
then the Millionmaker. I think the Millionmaker as well has
a really really good structure. Like I think the Monster
Stack people assume is like the best structure, but I
think the Millionmaker is an awesome structure. I think that
that's great. And I was able to play The Millionmaker
last year, didn't do anything in it, but still like
I was excited to play knowing it's a pretty good structure. Overall,
it's obviously going to get a massive price school shout
out massive. So those two events for me are like
right there at the top. So I'm pretty pumped about those.
And then also I would love to play there's a
fifteen hundred dollars freeze out, there's a twenty five hundred
dollar freeze out, and there's a three K freeze out,
Like I love that, right, you know, the twenty five
hundred and three K are are of course, you know,
a slight step up in price point, but because of
their freezeouts, I think that that's great.
Speaker 2: One thing I I'll add to your the list is well,
we didn't we didn't touch on it, but Glad eight
is a poke, a three hundred dollar buy and you
know four flights that has a big shift this year
to starting It's going to start day three of the
main event this year. So hopefully one reason why you're
not playing it is because you're say in the main which, sorry,
the Gladiator is a poker that's moved.
Speaker 1: So let me also say that. And I've talked about this.
I don't know if I've talked about on the pod
or if I've done it privately, but I am a
play the main Event and that's it. I'm done. I
can't fathom playing anything after the main Event. I just
I feel like you build up to this whole thing,
you put your all into it, and then I just
can't imagine playing another poker tournament after you played that one,
and I would probably just light money on fire. So
I'm just not gonna. I'm gonna not put myself in
that situation where I'll, you know, blow the money and
I just I play the main event. And when I bust, like,
that's my summer, right, and then and then you take
some time off and you're like you take some time
off from playing, and you're like, yeah, that's it. I
obviously know there's a ton of events after the main event.
You know, main event is number eighty two on a
schedule of one hundred events, So there's a ton of
stuff that's afterwards.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the ones, like if I were to play,
is like that three K mid Stakes Championship that looks amazing,
but you know, I'm just going to pass on it.
On the stuff post main event, it's to me, it's
you build up to the main event, you put everything
into the main event, and then you're.
Speaker 3: Just you're done well.
Speaker 2: For me, I really don't know what we're doing work wise,
so it's always gonna be TVD. But last year I
only played a bullet in the in the the Colossus
and then the main event, and we missed the Tag
Team right last year. So the only event I definitely
want to play again is the Tag Team, so make
sure that's in your schedule.
Speaker 3: And then I.
Speaker 2: Do like these turbo flights that they did add for
the Mystery Millions, So chance, I'll play that, So I'm
on the hook for anywhere everte.
Speaker 1: You do realize in a mystery buying tournament, like you
have to bust people like you.
Speaker 3: Know he's gonna make the.
Speaker 1: That has to like that's how you should play, right, Like.
Speaker 2: I'm there for the mean cash. You know, I'll take the.
Speaker 1: Mid cash tournament when they take a person chunk of
the buying out. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you said, I'm I'm not a big fan of
mister boundies either.
Speaker 3: If I was going to play one, I was going
to play one to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I don't know what's going with
work yet, but tag team is the real one I
want to play. And then obviously hopefully the main event again,
so much.
Speaker 1: Less from the main event of course, So yeah, we'll see,
we'll see. We'll see players on a budget.
Speaker 3: What do you guys picked out a couple of weekends that.
Speaker 2: Or two weekends and a midweek thing that I think
players that you know don't have too much money, but
they want to taste get that taste of the WSP
this year when they should come first. One May thirtieth
to thirty first Saturday Sunday, you can play one e
and there's also a one f the Turbo nine fight
at the five fifty minstery millions.
Speaker 3: Day two's on the Sunday.
Speaker 2: If you bust that or even if you cash, you
got a six hundred no limbit deep stack the next
day on that Sunday. That's a two day event. So
basically you book a trip for three days. You know,
you can spend anywhere and we'll call it fifteen hundred
bucks on Torona bayens and I think those are two
pretty good events. If you're looking a little bit later
in the series, we're going to go down to June thirteenth,
fourteenth weekend. You can get a fight end at the
Colossus right day two d is on the Sunday. Then
you can also play just like that last weekend, you
got that eight hundred dollars deep sack. Now two days
of that, so basically June thirteenth to fifteenth, you know
you can get what are we going to call that,
you know, eighteen hundred bucks maybe twenty three hundred dollars
there to get your fix, and then another kind of
three day period during the week so that's good for
hotel rates. June thirtieth to basically July second, you can
play day one. See the mini main event Day two
is on July first. That doesn't go you, well, well
you've got that six hundred deep Sack Championship that's got
two starting flights on July first, July second.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And also you know if those don't go to well,
you've got that eight hundred dollars Summer celebration starting on
July second. So I think that's a nice little stretch there.
And look, you come out, maybe you play one of
the the Vega satellites at night for the main event
main events side July second, extend your trip a little bit.
So I think those are kind of three good spots
for people, you know, basically looking to spend basically you know,
two thousand dollars or less on tournament buyings.
Speaker 1: And then this is this is all speaking to this
without knowing the win correct, Yes, yes, yes, Aurea resort,
like we don't know any of the schedules yet, you know,
once once the DOSB schedule drops. I know a lot
of those people or those a lot of those other operators,
they have kind of tentative plans, you know, and now
it's just moving all the puzzle pieces around. So I'm
assuming you're gonna get another big win Summer Classic or
whatever they call it in the summer. I'm assuming you're
gonna get another big series, which I think is actually
on the Venetian website, like just in terms of like
dates already, and that might come with a WPT event
like it has before. I know the WPT is at
Venetian right now, but maybe you also get a Summer
one and then the Aria and you know, partnered with
bet MGM. You know, they had a handful of those
events as well. So you know, Resorts World usually throws
their hat in the ring, you know, so you're gonna
get a lot of the other stuff around town. So
in terms of like best bang for your buck in
a smaller window of time, maybe that kind of changes
based on what other people have offering, you know. But yeah,
just kind of speaking right now to everything that's being
offered at the WSOP.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I also picked out a kind of
a nice window if you've got a little bit more money.
We'll call it six thousand bucks, you know, a month
of work for some people, But basically June thirtieth to
July eighth, you know, you're going to get one C
of that mini main event. You're gonna get one A,
one B of the six hundred deep Sack Championship. You've
got that eight hundred dollars Summer Celebration, that's a two
day event with two starting flights. That's going to be
a bit of a kind of turbo event. You got
a one K no limit hold them. That's a two
day event. And then you have Day one ABC of
the Ultra Stack six hundred dollars Ultra Stack. So basically
that's fifteen hundred dollars in buy ins, you know, not
accounting cashes or you know, lots of re entries, et cetera.
And then obviously that's overlapping the first four days in
the main event. So like I said previously, you know,
you have the potential to play some five hundred or
one thousand dollars satellites to try and to get in
the main event. And we always see you know some
big ten twenty you know seat guarantees running on property
over that you probably have a twenty five C scramble
on WSP dot com somewhere there too. So yeah, that's
another good, another little good stretch. You know, if you're
spending you know about that six thousand dollars. But yeah,
like like you said, we'll have to wait till Venetian
comes out and Aria and you know MGM grew Golden
Nugget resorts at all these places are going to have
a schedule that fits around this. So you know, if
you want to not be at the WSP and you know,
you can get your fix anywhere. I do a lot
of single day stuff, a lot of mystery bounties. You know,
Venetia are probably going to have their more multi day
kind of lower buying events, and then Winners obviously going
to stand out with a whole range of events, you know,
the most tables of both of those rooms, and you
know you're gonna have everything from four hundred dollars all
the way up to probably twenty five k high rollers.
So uh yeah, it's a waiting game. But if you're
looking just WSP specific, you want to chase that gold bracelet,
then those are kind of some windows that we think
will be pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1: As always, if you guys have any thoughts, questions, suggestions,
things we didn't hit on, think things you think were
wrong on as it relates to the WSPY schedule. You
guys can find us on Twitter Donnie Underscore, Peters as Mine,
Tim Underscore Underscore, Duckworth is his. You can also email
the show podcast at pokergrow dot com. We will either
touch on them, you know, here on the show, or
we'll just get back to you privately. Either way, always
good to hear from the fans out there, hear from
the listeners, hear from the players that are that are
coming out and they're going to be gambling. You know,
what weekends are you targeting? You know, what do you
wish that they put on the schedule? What are you hating?
Do we have any limit holding players out there that
are pissed if they dropped the three K you know,
all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: I have some shootouts specialists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shootout specialists. I mean that event always was really
well attended, Like it's I I never really kind of
cared for it, but just in terms of playing, but
it certainly, you know, you can't not recognize the fact
that it was a very popular event and a lot
of people were like, yeah, I'm gonna play the shoot
I'm gonna come pay the shootout. So I think people
just like the idea that I don't know. It seems
like a daunting task to go from let's say two
thousand players down to one. But in a shootout you're like, oh,
I only have to win my table. Yeah, the table,
and then I'm there, like you know, Like so that's
what people were going at with that. All right, Well
that's gonna do it for us for Tim Duckworth. My
name is Donny Peters. Also shout out producer rich Ryan.
Thanks for all the help that you do on the
backside of the editing and all that good stuff. And
until next time. We'll talk to you guys later.
Speaker 3: So you've express