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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Rodney. Rodney,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Vic, nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great talking with you and of course thank

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you for your time. Rodney, please give us a brief

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bio on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, as a farm boy, grew up in Aisle, hunted

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all my life. Thought I knew everything there was out there,

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very athletic, it was all state and football. I thought

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I was bad until nineteen eighty three, August and nineteen

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eighty three, and I walked into something that was ten

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times worse than anything I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you did. Was the woods your addiction before

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nineteen eighty three the night when you had your encounter?

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Or did you just like spending time out there? But

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it wasn't exactly that important to you?

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Speaker 2: No, I lived in the woods. I love being in

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the woods.

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Speaker 3: I used to go to Tennessee all the time when

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I was a child, and always in my grandfather's woods,

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So I never feared anything. I've seen bear and everything else,

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But a dog man's a whole different story.

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Speaker 1: Yes they are. After you saw that dog men that night,

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or as you put it's a huge wearwolf. Did you

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ever think about all the time you had spent in

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the woods already in the likelihood that these guys have

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been watching you, who know, so many times without you

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knowing it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does change your outlook on everything.

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Speaker 1: Yes, got a tendency to do that, definitely. Do you

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see that as a form of solace knowing that more

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than likely you were watched by them countless times, but

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never harmed, never killed, You were just observed. Again, we

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don't know that's the case, but by good money that happened.

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Speaker 3: You know. Being in a military, staying in the woods

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as much as we did, it never bothered me. I

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always just had in my mind that they're out there

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and my friends don't know, and it's something you can't

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talk about. We're in a military, So every time I

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went the woods, it was always on my mind, daytime

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or nighttime. But I'm not I'm still I'm not afraid

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to go in the woods because it could have killed me.

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Speaker 1: That night's Could you realize that, and you mentioned the

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time you spent in the military. Which branch did you

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serve in?

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Speaker 2: The Army?

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Speaker 1: Ah, the Army. Well, thank you so much for your service.

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I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I do. And from one understand while you were serving

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in Germany, you were given an ominous warning when you

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were about to do an exercise in the black forest.

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What more can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, we had a mission and we're a four man

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team and they told us to beware of the Banchees. Well,

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we hide from special forces. They got to find us

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because of what we have, and so we thought the

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Banchees were a special force group because we were the

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Charlie Doves. Well their bangy after I find out when

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I get home. Now they military get the computer, the internet,

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their bangies, a dog man or their bigfoot. And I

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was like, those people should have let us known, you know,

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just don't give us a name and say, well, look

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for these guys. That could imagine why it happened if

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a dog man walked up on us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to do that much good. If

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they tell you to watch out for something, but you

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have no clue what you're watching out for I agree,

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that doesn't make sense at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when you're looking for humans.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, so as the listeners are going to hear,

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you've had your fear sure of cryptid encounters over the years,

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and from what I understand, you had a frightening one

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last year with something that, let's just say, wasn't a

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dog man and your wife saw it too. Please tell

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us a story behind that experience.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my dog had to go outside and she weighs

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over one hundred pounds.

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Speaker 3: A letter outside, her feet hit the grass. Next thing

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I knows, a hundred and some pound dog flying in

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the air, and she hit me in the chest, knock

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me off my porch. Her head was looking at the pond,

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so I turned my head to the pond, see what

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she's looking at, and there's this creature, no hair, long neck,

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a human face, and a long legs staring at me. Well,

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I went back inside and my wife's like, what's wrong,

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and I said, I just seen something outside and it

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don't make no sense. Well, the next night she let

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the other dog out and it happened to her and

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I heard her scream and she come flying in the

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door and she said, there's something out there I've never

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seen before, and it's evil. And I said, well, tell

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me what you saw. And she described the same thing

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I just described. And she says, I've never seen an

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animal with a long neck and a human face. I said,

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I don't think that's human, babe, that's something else. So

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now my head's on a swivel out here because I

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do have bigfoot here, but they don't bother me.

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Speaker 2: They stay over there, and I stay on my side.

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I hear them talk, I hear them who, I hear everything.

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Speaker 3: I love sitting outside of night time, that's when all

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the action starts. I just don't want to see another

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dog man. A dog man in the bigfoot smell the same,

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except of bigfoot don't always smell. I've been close as

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I've been to a bigfoot is on the side of

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my glass window. It closest outside is ten feet. So

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they don't bother me. Dog man does. The government should

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let people know these things are real, because I can't

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imagine how many people has been killed by these things.

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Speaker 2: I got lucky.

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Speaker 1: Well that dog man did have you dead to rights,

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as the listeners are going to hear. I mean, like

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I told you in our first conversation, if I wanted

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to kill you had every opportunity to do that, but

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it didn't. So that definitely counts for something. And you

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mentioned knowing what a dog man smells like. What did

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that dog man smell like?

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Speaker 2: Sulfur? Skunk? Little skunk to it? But as bad BeO,

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and it's a smell, it's a lot worse than a skunk.

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The skunk will dissipate in a while.

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Speaker 3: This thing stinks, it stays around. I would say some

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people would get nauseous by the smell if they have

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a weak stomach. That's my warning. When I smell that,

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I know it's either a big foot or a dog man.

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And I've smelled that smell many a times.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet it took some time to get that smell

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out of you.

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Speaker 2: Now I still know what it smells like. My neighbors

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found out what it smells like to their second day

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living here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they come over and ask us about it. That

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we had to tell them. Now they sat outside with

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their lights on or they.

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Speaker 2: Have a gun. I told them to just put the

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gun away and turn them eyes off because you're messing

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with me. So they do that now when they turn

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a light on, I can't see well.

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Speaker 1: Like I told you before, you don't frighten easily. If

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you've had a dog mean encounter that you'd like to

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speak with me about, whether in private or on the show,

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please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

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Let's talk about what happened last year with that strange cryptid.

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You said it had a human like face. How do

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you describe its face?

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Speaker 3: Big like black eye? It was guys were sunking in.

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They weren't. They weren't like human, they were sunking in.

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It off evil, That's what I can say. You felt

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the evil on it. I don't know what it was.

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I've seen videos. I still don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have its mouth open.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just staring right at me, staring right at

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her too. She said it was only twenty feet from

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the back door, so it was pretty close.

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Speaker 2: But it had no smell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort, it really is.

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You said that as soon as your female's feet hit

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the grass, the next thing you knew she was hitting

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in the chest. Is that because she jumped back towards

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you on her own, or she was thrown.

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Speaker 3: She jumped back. I mean, she was that scared, and

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she jumped so hard. She jumped high and hit me

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in the chest. So she jumps six feet easy. I

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knew she was scared, but when I seen it, I

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closed the door. I got her in the door and

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I closed it, and I told my wife, I don't

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know what I've seen, but there's something out there. And

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she had her encountered. The next night she wanted me

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to let you know that that happened to.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, I believe you. I believe her too. Did

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you see any ears on the side of this thing's head?

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Speaker 3: No, no ears. It was smooth head, no hair, no

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hair on the body either.

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Speaker 1: What colored skin did it have on its face?

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Speaker 3: It was dark, so it looked more white, more like

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hell white. The body looked same the body in the head,

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everything was the same same color.

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Speaker 1: That is so freaky. How tall did you say it was?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was bigger than a deer. And we got

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deer weighed over three hundred pounds here, so it was

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over four feet because of five feet on all fours.

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I mean, if it would have stood up, it would

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have been a real tall You could tell this thing

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to stand up, But it was on fours. I mean

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it had to kind of like human feet and didn't

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have deer hoods. And no, I mean it is. It

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was just a strange creature.

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Speaker 1: It sure sounds like it was. What kind of legs

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did it have?

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Speaker 2: Legs?

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Speaker 3: Roll along and skinny, no muscle. The legs, like I said,

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were like humans. But it was walking on fours. There

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wasn't no bending the knee like how we would have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say weird doesn't do it any justice. I

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can only imagine what you must have been thinking after

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what happened that Night's your dog? Does she all but

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refuse to go back outside? Or were you able to

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get her to go out without too much trouble?

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Speaker 2: No, she's always now on her head's on the swivel.

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Now she's scared of death.

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Speaker 3: That night, both of my dogs are, so I gotta

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go out there and stand with them. I put them

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on chains. Why don't run because I know you know,

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big football heat and things. So I take care of

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my animals.

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Speaker 1: Good man, I'm glad you do that. All right, Rodney,

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Let's get to brass tacks now. Please tell us about

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your encounter. Give us ever last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I lived outside of Pitch in Ohio nineteen eighty three, August,

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about nine thirty going on ten, maybe as dark, and

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my car was parked down by the barn. I lived

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in a farmhouse. We had the night light in between

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the barn and the house. And when I stepped out

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and turned around the hut shrubs, I kept walking and

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next thing I know, I almost walked into this creature.

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It was all black. The smell was ungodly. The smells,

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like I said, it was ungodly. There's no reflection of

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the light because the light was behind it. All I

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see was black, black eyes, but they squinted and he

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was in a pounced position. I'm standing two and a

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half three feet from it. I almost walked into it.

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Speaker 2: The light wasn't on.

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Speaker 3: I would walk right into it. And the only thing

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I said was, God, get me out this. And I'm

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looking at this creature that has pointed ears, a fat snout,

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not long, long hair on the head the shoulders and

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goes down the middle of the back down to the

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back of the rest of the hair is short. The

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tail was a half a tail, but wide. The legs

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were dog legs, human arms, human shoulders, the claws are black.

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trying to get away from it. And as I'm asking

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God to please give me out this, my feet hit

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the concrete. I'm backing up from it. I'll take my

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off of it, and it grinned at me. That scared me.

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When it grinned at me, that just messed with me.

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That I just took me into another level of what

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I got back in the house and I'm trying to

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move a gas stove, but you know you can't move

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them in front of the door. My dad hears what's

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going on? My mom, here's what's going on. They jump

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up and on what's going on? And I'm throwing out

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this time. I can't move the stove, so I grab

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a kitchen chair and throw it underneath the handle. My

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dad has a weapon, which was a twenty two ruger,

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and I stopped him and said that ain't gonna do nothing.

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And he goes, what did you see? I said, a hyena,

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a wolverine, a werewolf. I said it's a werewolf.

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Speaker 1: Dad.

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't know what I'm looking at and

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he goes where wolfs aren't real. I said, well, you

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go out there and tell that thing, and so he

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dropped it. I dropped it where I was going, I

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didn't go. I stayed home that night. Well, then the

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next night, my uncle and aunt came over to play

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cards with my mom and dad, and so I went

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upstairs watch TV in my room and the smell hit me.

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The smell came back, and I hear the tree out

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in front of my window. This beast is climbing it.

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Dogs don't climb trees, but you could hear the clalls

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digging into the tree. My dad, I grabbed my shotgun,

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grabbed slugs, ran downstairs because I thought my dad and

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my uncle's still in the kitchen playing cards. They had

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their weapons and they are outside because of what happened

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the night before. So as I'm running out the kitchen door,

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they're running in and they pushed me back in the house.

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They said, you're not going outside, and I said, you've

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seen it. You guys seen it. They said yes.

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Speaker 2: So my dad made a phone.

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Speaker 3: Call the game Morten O Harold Blackwood, and he come

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out Sunday morning and he's seen where it climbed the tree.

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He's seen where it jumped from the tree about thirty

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five forty yards into the cornfield, where it knocked the

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stalks down and the prince. The dog prints maybe three

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or four feet or three or four inches in the

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dirt where it landed, and you can see where it

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took to the right and ran down in the cornfield

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blackwood covered the tracks, walked back out and told us

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we did not see anything drop it, or they will

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make our life miserable.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is just so rough. Like I told you

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the first time we spoke, no one should have to

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deal with anything like that. I'm so glad you're dealing

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with it so well, considering the fact that most people

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they'd swear off ever heading back into the woods every again.

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So of everything that happened, at least we can point

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to that and play the glad game. You gave us

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some details about how that dog men looked, But is

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there anything else you can tell us, such as anything

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about its teeth?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, that was the only thing. Why And like

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he brushed his teeth every day. That was that white.

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Speaker 3: It had two canines on the top on the right side.

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I didn't get to see the left side, because it

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grinned at me on the right. So the two canines

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on the top was two three inches, they were long canines,

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and the bottom one had two two On the right side,

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there was no gap in between the canines and the

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rest of the teeth. The rest of the teeth looked

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like sharp teeth. They were meant for shredding.

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Speaker 1: Did his teeth look too big to fit in his

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mouth comfortable or did it look like.

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Speaker 2: They were proportional they fit his mouth? I mean he

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had a big snout, white snout, the gums were black.

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Everything was black on this thing and the only thing

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white was his teeth. And he was so black that,

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like I said, if the light wasn't known, I would have.

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Speaker 3: Walked right into him. And even in the light, he

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was still black. And that's what It just messed my

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mind up. How something could be that well camouflage at

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night and they're that close to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, when it's that black at nighttime, he has no wonder.

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They're so hard to see. I wish he never would

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have seen it. Now. You said its eyes were black,

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but did you notice any hint of eyeshine?

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Speaker 3: None. The eyes were squinted and they what I did

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see was all black. The eyes that I did see

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were black. It was in a pounce position.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was getting ready to launch. And like

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you said, if it wanted me, it had me, It

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had me dead or right, They could alway does reach

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out and grab me.

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Speaker 1: This could you realize that? And I'm so glad it

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didn't have that on its mind. How tall do you

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think it would have been if it would have stood

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up on its back legs.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm five foot nine and a half and his

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body was my size. It was five foot nine in

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the size, and then you had the legs and the

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arms were longer. The arms were longer than the rear.

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So if it would have stood up, it kind of

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would look funny, you know. To me, I would have thought,

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what the what is this? It would look funny to me.

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That probably would have threw me off. It was sort

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of stood up, I probably would have been the fastest

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guy in the world. But guys, I'm gonna guess ten

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or ten to twelve, maybe fourteen feet if it stood up,

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it weighed I'm gonna guess four hundred weighed more than

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a three hundred pound deer. I thought I was gonna

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have to fight that night, and I knew I was losing.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, there's no way you could even hope

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you could win a fight like that. There's no way.

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And if it weighed that little, but you think it

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might have been around ten to twelve feet tall, maybe

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a little over twelve feet tall. If it weighed that little,

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was it spinley?

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Speaker 3: No, the arms were muscled. The arms were muscle. I'm

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just guessing on the weight by what a deer looks like.

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This thing was big, but I'm trying to think like

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a dog. The biggest dogs like two hundred some pounds,

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and I'm gonna give it a couple hundred pounds. The

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more than that, maybe a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a werewolf. It didn't change into human, but

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it was a were wolf. And at that time there

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wasn't no werewolf movies like this, you know, wherewof some

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guy changes in you got a human face, kind with

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a little dog's heat. This thing was pure one urb

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sent a dog man, and it hated you felt the

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hate that it had for you. I wasn't scared until

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it's grinned ab me. When it grinned ab me, that

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did something to me. It told me, this thing's very intelligent.

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It got to kick out of me, I think, being scared.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've got no doubts that it did. Yeah, I

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think that's a given. I can only imagine the thoughts

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it must have been going through your head when you're

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standing there, locked eyes with this thing watching it. You

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said its eyes were kind of squinted down in a

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way because it was looking at you, especially when it grinned.

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But did you get any funny feelings about how it

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was looking at you? Is there anything that comes to

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mind that you could use to describe a strange quality

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that you noticed when it was looking at you. As

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far as the way you felt.

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Speaker 2: The way I felt it is like I have you.

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That's the way I felt.

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Speaker 1: I have you.

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Speaker 3: It was looking at me like, you know, I can

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mess your world up? And I agree it could have.

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Speaker 2: The hate I felt off of it is like it

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just hates us, demonic. I don't know, but my reaction

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was it hates us.

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Speaker 1: A lot of eyewitnesses report feeling that, so it's not

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just you. Do you know anything about that area as

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far as devil worshiping that might have happened, or anything

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else that might encourage a demonic being or a demonic

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entity to be around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, outside of pitch in there, there's a there used

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to be a group of devil worshipers. They had their

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own building and they had an upside down crossed in

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the woods. We used to drive by there and mess

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with them, you know, all the kids did back then.

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But even never think about this. I mean I ran

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around all the time at nighttime and never never even

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thought this was lived. And I still go out today

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just because I'm not. I'm not gonna let it win.

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You know, I walk out there with bigfoot. They don't

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bother me.

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Speaker 1: Like I told you before, I'm so glad you do that.

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So glad you can do that. Most people couldn't. You

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told us about that church where they're doing Satanic rituals.

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Back then, how far was that church from your home?

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Speaker 2: Maybe five miles?

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Speaker 3: Five miles The farmers used to find where they sacrifice

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animals in their fields, and they were a problem back then.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about them now.

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Speaker 1: Well, for a person on foot five miles this is

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a pretty good hike, but for one of these things

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not so much so. So if there is a connection

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there between that church and that dogged me in being

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a demonic entity that paid you visit. Then, yeah, maybe

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it was just dumb luck that you had that encounter.

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But all we can do is guess about that worre's

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Pitching Ohio relative to the Hawking Hills.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's well, that's probably an our way this pitch

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in It would be south of Springfilt, Ohio. Cedar Hill

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is not that far from Pitching, Ohio. And my understanding,

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the lady over there, she's been on a show, she

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ran into one in nineteen seventy something, ten years before mine.

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And when I found that out, I was like, thank god,

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I'm not the only one seeing this. And then we

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also had the London of Ohio. London, Ohio's has helped

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my back door really, And you've heard of the London,

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Ohio Werewolf. That's a famous case. It's also reported nine

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one one.

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Speaker 2: Or the cops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did and eye witness come on one of the

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first episodes talking about his encounter with a dog man

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in that area, And if that's where Pitching is, If

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I remember right, you're pretty close to Germantown as well,

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aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, german Town isn't that far really, yeah. After I've

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seen all these reports where they're at in Ohio. It's like,

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and they're all over. I haven't ran into one out here,

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and I don't want to now. I won't go hunting

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in the dark anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can understand that. Well, that's pretty normal. When

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you turned as you were walking and realized it was

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right there, right in front of you. Was it standing

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still when you laid eyes on it? Or was it

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coming to a stop?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: It was. It was already in a pound position. It

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was froze. It didn't make a he didn't move.

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Speaker 2: He didn't move it ears it didn't do anything time

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my feet hit that concrete and then it grinned at me.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before, they know how to

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push our buttons. They really do. And if you saw

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its teeth that, well, you saw the color of its gums.

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Did you ever see its tongue?

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Speaker 2: No? No, did not see that.

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Speaker 3: The teeth was so large you didn't see the tongue,

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even the sharp cooking tea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this thing had massive teeth. And like I said,

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it is meant to rip you apart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know this for sure, but when we spoke

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about your encounter, for the first time, it seemed like

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it was a toss up. I mean, it's smiling at you,

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and when it was crouching, acting like it was getting

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ready to pounce on you. I wasn't really sure which

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one of those actions shook you up most, But listening

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to you tonight, it sounds like the smile shook you

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up the most. Is that about right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did that.

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Speaker 3: When it smiled, that put a fear in me. I

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never felt I've never felt that way ever.

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Speaker 2: Again. That put a fear in me. I never want.

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Speaker 3: When I came around that corner and I was standing

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right there in its face, I'm guess intend say, I

475
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,799
didn't move. I was frozen, you know. I had to

476
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:44,599
get my mind back and I was like God, to

477
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,640
let me get out of it. And so I started

478
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,400
backing up. And I forgot to tell you, I was

479
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680
backing up and I was talking to it at the

480
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,319
same time, and I was und of easy, easy.

481
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: And when my feet hit that concrete, dude, that grin

482
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,559
that just showed me intelligence. I never seen it in

483
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:07,119
an animal.

484
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,519
Speaker 1: I can't think for these things, no one can. But

485
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:13,400
I bet you good money it was grinning because it

486
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200
was loving every minute of that. It could tell it

487
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,400
really shaking you up, and it was just soaking it up.

488
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, that's exactly how I felt.

489
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: I'll bet you that's how it was.

490
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell nobody. I couldn't tell my friends, I

491
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,000
couldn't tell nobody. We were threatened over this. And plus

492
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,839
how you're gonna tell people you've seen a werewolf.

493
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, it's really unfortunate. It's bad

494
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,680
enough to have an encounter like that, but when you're

495
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,519
dealing with the government putting the kaioh on you being

496
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,160
able to reach out to people for help, that just

497
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,799
makes it that much more difficult. It really is a shame. Now,

498
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,480
you told it easy, easy, out loud, But when you

499
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,960
ask God for help, did you do that out loud

500
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,799
as well or just in your head?

501
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 2: No, I said God to get me out of this.

502
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:09,599
Speaker 3: I said it out loud, and when me talking at first,

503
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,200
it didn't jump. It's like it was just listening to

504
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,200
what I was saying and didn't react until my feet

505
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,759
hit that concrete and then it's like I could had you.

506
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 1: So, just to get some clarity, when you ask God

507
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,119
to help you get out of there, it didn't respond

508
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,000
to God's name.

509
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: I think it did. That's why grinned. I mean, it's

510
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,519
always stuck with me about that. Did it grin at

511
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,359
me because I mentioned God? Or did it grin at

512
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,359
me because I had you?

513
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: And Al?

514
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: I like messing with you?

515
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: So no signs of discomfort from it when you mentioned

516
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,839
God's name?

517
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,359
Speaker 2: Then no. I just felt that. I felt it hated me,

518
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,960
It hated us humans. That's what I got.

519
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,839
Speaker 1: Well, you might be right to a lot of eyewitnesses

520
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,640
have reported that very thing, so yeah, there just might

521
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,200
be something to that. As you started backing up, trying

522
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,240
to put some distance between you and it, telling it

523
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:18,119
easy easy, did you hold your hands up or keep

524
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,279
them down at your sides?

525
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,119
Speaker 2: I had them up.

526
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, waving to him real slow

527
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,880
and just say an easy, big guy. Easy, And I

528
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,640
just kept backing up. I do the same thing with bigfoot.

529
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: Out of you.

530
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: You know, when I get to your clothes, you know,

531
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,519
snap a tree or something, grab me, I'll say, easy,

532
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:38,960
big guy, And I was back up.

533
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: That's just the way I am.

534
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: That was an awfully difficult situation there, Rodney, But you

535
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:48,559
sure did handle that as well as it could be handled.

536
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680
I'm really impressed, I really am.

537
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: When you don't know what you're looking at, you just

538
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,799
don't know how to react to that. I mean, first

539
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,359
time seeing some on my dead I can imagine what

540
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720
other people went through through their minds.

541
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, dusk get pretty bad. You told us what it

542
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,759
smelled like. Here's something you might not have considered. How

543
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,519
sure are you considering your face to face with a

544
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:16,240
thing it's so tall on four legs, it's literally nose

545
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,839
with yet again, even though it's on all fours, How

546
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,799
sure are you that that stinch you smelled wasn't just

547
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,359
its breath, that it wasn't its body odor in other words,

548
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:28,599
or vice versa.

549
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: And I think it was its body odor. Like I said,

550
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,319
the only time it opened his mouth, it was a grind.

551
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,920
But the smells when I first when I walked outside, like, man,

552
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,240
what's that smell? It didn't smell like a skunk, And

553
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,000
I kept thinking, what is that smell? And I walked

554
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,200
around the shrubs and I found out what the smell

555
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,880
was coming from. The next night when he came back,

556
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:58,240
we smelled at first, and then I watched it climb

557
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:02,440
up the tree, and that kind of messed me up too,

558
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:11,840
because wolves don't climb trees. Dogs don't climb trees. And

559
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,159
it was looking in my window. That thing is smart.

560
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,519
Speaker 1: Just imagine how freaked out you would have been looking

561
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,760
at your window not knowing it was there, and you

562
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,679
see it right there.

563
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: Oh if the windows were closed, Yeah, that would have

564
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,280
that would have messed you up. You see a werewolf

565
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,760
looking in the window and it's too you know, I'm

566
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,760
on the second story. So they climbed up fifteen feet

567
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,320
probably or twenty feet in the tree. It was looking

568
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,000
in my window.

569
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,679
Speaker 1: That would have really messed you up, understandably, so too.

570
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,800
How close was that tree to your window?

571
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: Thirty feet? Thirty feet about thirty feet.

572
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, it wasn't right on the window where it

573
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,159
could have reached out and tapped on the glass or anything.

574
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it launched itself off that tree. I mean,

575
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,719
just sprung off the tree and landed in a cornfield.

576
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,559
And what got me is at the distance it landed

577
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:17,239
in the height it didn't even hurt it. It's like

578
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,320
he's done this before.

579
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they do that all the time. When

580
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,199
the game warden came out and give you that warning,

581
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,280
not to talk about your encounter. Do you think he

582
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,599
might have done that to protect you or are you

583
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:32,760
pretty sure that he did it for another reason.

584
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: He just said that they will make our life miserable.

585
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,320
Drop it because they will make our life miserable.

586
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: The reason why I asked that is it doesn't sound

587
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,159
like you're everybody buddy with him, but it sounds like

588
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,559
you did know him or the family knew him. And

589
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,719
if the family knew him, then he would be more

590
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,679
inclined to try to protect you, even if it did

591
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,840
include giving a warning like that that sounds so ominous.

592
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,079
Speaker 3: Yes, everybody around here knew him. He's gone now, but

593
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,920
everybody knew him. So I mean, if you're out hunt

594
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,239
and you see the old blackwood somewhere. But yeah, he

595
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,719
knew our family, We knew him. But no, it was

596
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,039
he just kept saying, don't make your life miserable. So yeah,

597
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:24,800
he was protecting us. I say, it just made me mad.

598
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880
It's like acknowledge. I acknowledged just things alive.

599
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,199
Speaker 1: I can understand why it would make you mad. That's

600
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,360
totally understandable. You lived in the woods when you had

601
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,360
that encounter. Do you still live in the woods now

602
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,039
or have you sworn off ever doing that again.

603
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 2: No, I live I live out in the country. I

604
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,119
got woods all around me. They done bigfoot research out here.

605
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,480
I don't want to see a dog man out here,

606
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480
but there's a They have a spring ponds. I got

607
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,440
a five acre pond in front of me, palm beside me.

608
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,119
In the spring, it runs out back.

609
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: The deer disappeared for two years around the here, and

610
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,320
this year is the first time we've seen deer again.

611
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,159
And they usually run the deer out of here.

612
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: You did tell us, So you have sasquatch around your property.

613
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,280
But you can have sasquatch around without living in the woods.

614
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,280
I mean, if you live out in farmer land, you

615
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,320
can have them around and they just move in from

616
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920
the forest. So I was just wondering about that.

617
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always get whistled at sometimes a lot of times.

618
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 3: I just don't just ignore them. I sat out here

619
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
one night and listened to a young one trying to

620
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,880
do an owl call, and when he finally got it down,

621
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
I started laughing, and that's when they realized I was

622
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,000
watching them.

623
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: I snuck out there on them, but it was so

624
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,639
funny trying to see a little one trying to learn

625
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:58,519
how to do an al cal It was funny, but

626
00:37:58,559 --> 00:37:59,320
he got it right.

627
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do funny things like that. And speaking of

628
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:07,159
the sasquatch to hang around your property, you did something

629
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,079
one night. I thought it was pretty funny myself. You

630
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,960
did something that your wife wasn't too happy about you for.

631
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,079
Can you tell us what you did? In kind of

632
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:17,199
a PG way?

633
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I just had new windows installed around my

634
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,400
house and I had a big bay window in the

635
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,960
back but my bedroom. So I go back to go

636
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,079
to bed. It's around eleven thirty at night, and of

637
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,199
course the big fits on is I just tap in

638
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,639
the crap out of my my window, tap tap dap,

639
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,119
and I.

640
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:41,599
Speaker 3: Finally I looked at my wife said what's this? And

641
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,280
I got up, opened the curtain up, screamed at it.

642
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,519
Speaker 2: What do you want?

643
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: I won't cuss, you know, And I stand in the

644
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,519
curtains back clothes and she's yelling, ABU you crazy? And

645
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:59,400
I said nah like that, And about ten seconds later

646
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:03,800
I got and this thing groud, but it was like

647
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,920
a comical ground like got me. I scared him, and

648
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:11,800
my wife is like, what are you gonna do if

649
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,800
he comes to that window? And said, oh, shoot him.

650
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,320
I said, but I was hoping you don't do that,

651
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,559
And she goes, well, don't they ever do that again,

652
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,480
because the crowd at us, and she's tired of getting

653
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:24,199
growled at, so they always come up here and grout us.

654
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,199
Speaker 1: Here's something else, right, and you got to give it

655
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,239
to you. I'll love it. Well, we're about out of

656
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,280
time before we get out of here. Do you have

657
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,920
any clothing comments you want to put out there for us.

658
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,639
Speaker 3: Just be careful when you're in the woods, and it

659
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:40,960
don't have it doesn't matter if you're in the woods,

660
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,159
they're anywhere.

661
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,599
Speaker 1: That's good advice. And like I told you, I'm so

662
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,840
glad you can go back out into the wood still.

663
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,599
As long as you can do that, then you're doing

664
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,280
all right. But having said that, I can't thank you

665
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,280
enough for coming on and sharing the details of that

666
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,639
experience with us. I really appreciate it.

667
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,119
Speaker 2: I thank you, Rick. I'm glad to get this off

668
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:01,679
my chest.

669
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,519
Speaker 1: I'm glad to give you a platform. Well I haven't

670
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,480
said that. Thanks against so much of your time, and

671
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:08,800
have a great night.