WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:04.679 Most of the country just celebrated to founding by blowing 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:08.359 stuff up. So here's a reminder that the USA is 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:11.279 not the greatest country in the world. We stop being 4 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.400 a full democracy a decade ago. The world now files 5 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:18.600 us under a flawed democracy label. The Make America Great 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.960 Again crowd has simply redefined great to mean something antithetical 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:25.399 to every measure of a healthy society. 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:26.879 We spend more. 9 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.600 On healthcare than any nation in history, but yet we 10 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:31.039 die three point seven. 11 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:33.479 Years younger for just for that privilege. 12 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.159 A mother is more likely to die giving birth here 13 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:39.679 than in nearly any other rich country on Earth. Our 14 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.520 infant mortality sits near the bottom of the developed world. 15 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.000 One in five American kids is poor, while the top 16 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.119 fifth takes home more than five times what the bottom 17 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.159 fifth ever sees, and we rank thirty six of thirty 18 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.840 eighth wealthy nations for child wellbeing. A child here is 19 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.840 more likely to be killed by a gun than anything else, 20 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.399 at a rate of thirty three times Australia's and seventy 21 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:07.760 seven times Germany's. More sixth in child literacy, fourteenth in 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.799 adult literacy, twenty fourth in numeracy, twenty sixth. 23 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.239 In math, and tenth in science. 24 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.519 The people who could fix that either flat out refuse 25 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.519 or just send strongly worded letters. But we're number one 26 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.200 in plenty of things. We cage more of our own 27 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.719 people than any democracy on earth, and hold about a 28 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.560 third of all the incarcerated women on the planet. We 29 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:32.359 leave the world in defense spending in children killed by firearms, 30 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.719 and most adults here believe in a Jewish wizard. Believe 31 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:38.840 that a Jewish wizard will save them. So that's what 32 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:42.959 great means in practice. The most prisoners, most dead kids, 33 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.920 least educated, most spent on weapons, and least on a 34 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.359 safety net, and the biggest share of a population that 35 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:51.719 believes in magic. 36 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.079 So was the USA ever really great? 37 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.920 The constitution was built to exclude more than fifty eight 38 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.959 percent of the population, written to serve a narrow slide 39 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.359 some older white men. So no, I don't think that 40 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:05.519 we can make a case that we were ever great. 41 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.240 But what we what we did do, was slowly and 42 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.360 consistently progress towards greatness. The last ten years has been 43 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.520 a steady regression, and it's keeping America horrible. If you 44 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.439 disagree with us about white Christian nationalism, about what white 45 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.800 Christian nationalism has done to this country. Then please call 46 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:35.479 in because the show starts. Now, what's up? He then's 47 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.879 how y'all doing? I'm a godless engineer and today is 48 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.560 July fifth, twenty twenty six, and we want to welcome 49 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:45.879 you all to the Atheist Experience and thank you guys 50 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.680 for joining us today. I'm your host, Godless Engineer John, 51 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.039 and joining me today is Jim. How are you doing 52 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:53.159 there today, Jim? 53 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:56.319 I'm doing pretty good. I apologize for the background noise, 54 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.120 but the the long guy just showed up. 55 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.639 So he was he's supposed to show up Friday because 56 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.520 he normally shows up on Saturday. But yeah, he's here now, 57 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:07.680 so I may have to I'll have to duck out 58 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:08.719 and pay him in just a second. 59 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.479 But you know, or not doing pretty good. Finally fully employed, 60 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:18.080 So that's always a good thing, you know. Arguing with 61 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.080 people on the internet about whether or not their God 62 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:21.800 exists always. 63 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.879 Fou Oh yeah, I mean it seems to be like 64 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.479 a constant thing on the Internet these days, is arguing 65 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.879 with people about God or some kind of supernatural magical 66 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:37.639 belief and how we can't expect, you know, a god 67 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.759 to save us from you know, the hellscape that we 68 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.319 seem to find ourselves in right now. 69 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:50.280 Yeah, there are no good arguments for God. They're all horribly, 70 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:51.199 horribly bad. 71 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.759 But I've also started arguing with Christians about whether or 72 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.120 not the Trinity exists, because let's face what the Trinity is. 73 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.879 No matter how you sit, three equals one, and of 74 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:04.680 course that makes it as sense. 75 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.199 Right. There's just nothing about any of this that makes 76 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.240 any kind of sense about the Christian belief So I 77 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:18.519 just I don't understand why anybody is believes in this God. 78 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.519 It just makes an s suze no. 79 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.160 You know, honestly, I'm beginning to like every conversation I have. 80 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:31.439 I'm totally bumfuzzled about, you know, why people still continue 81 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:31.839 to believe. 82 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:37.360 So just to get you know, some some caveats. 83 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:38.199 Out of the way at the beginning of the show 84 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.680 here The Atheists Experience is a product of the Atheist 85 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.560 Community of Austin, a five O one C three nonprofit 86 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.319 organization dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism, 87 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.600 and the separation of religion and government. 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So with that out of the way, 102 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:35.399 we have a number of callers already lined up, so 103 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.600 do you have an eye on which one you'd like 104 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:38.399 to take first? 105 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:38.639 There? 106 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.600 Jim, Well, I think we can definitely show that the 107 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.759 God of the Bible is evil, oh by his own rules. 108 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.240 I do want to emphasize for people both. 109 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.959 Well on YouTube, both the vertical and the horizontal stream 110 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.279 over there on YouTube, you would like to contribute to 111 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.639 any of the conversations that we're having today, be sure 112 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:05.879 to send in those superchats. We will be addressing super 113 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.360 chats near the end of the show, and so if 114 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.959 you want our take on something, or you want your 115 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.360 opinion to be heard, please go on ahead and send 116 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:18.199 in those super chats. So we've got Jeremy up first 117 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.240 that we're going to talk to. What's up there, Jeremy, 118 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:21.920 how you doing? 119 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.120 How's it going to that's going pretty good? What are 120 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:26.839 you up to today? 121 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.720 They're Jermy, Well, I'm just wondering. So let me ask 122 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.240 you both. Do you both believe that God? 123 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:39.360 Do you believe in God or in a God? 124 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.279 Yeah, that's why this is the atheist experience. If I 125 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.759 was not an atheist on the atheist experience, that would 126 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.920 be kind of antithetical to the show topic. 127 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:51.160 Right, Okay, understood. 128 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.160 So how can you believe he is evil if you 129 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.680 don't believe him to exist? 130 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.920 Well, well, it's the character that's portrayed and Holy Books 131 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:02.240 that we're saying is evil. 132 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.800 So you believe this character to be fiction is evil? 133 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.639 Yeah, you can always you can always say that fictional 134 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.279 characters are evil. Right. I don't see anybody running around 135 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.199 saying Sarron is a good guy, right. 136 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.199 I Mean that's just as part of talking about a 137 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.519 fictional world as if it's real, and we do that 138 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.120 all the time. 139 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:23.920 So there's no problem here at all. 140 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:28.800 Yes, Well, one thing, it just really burns me up 141 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:33.279 whenever I see so many people getting caught up on well, 142 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.319 if God, you know, was good, then he wouldn't let 143 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.439 this happen or that happen. And you know he's called 144 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:41.879 evil people. 145 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:42.600 Sauch as yourselves. 146 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.040 But I really would like to just push back on 147 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:51.199 that and say, you know, I think we're forgetting that. 148 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:54.040 That Satan exists as well. If you're going to believe 149 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:55.600 that God exists. 150 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:56.839 And so many people get hung up. 151 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.079 On well, why would God let this happen, that happen, 152 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.079 say is evil and Satan exists? 153 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.079 What do you believe that your God is on nepotent, 154 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:05.040 all powerful? 155 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:08.959 I believe my God is love. 156 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.720 I'm not a Let me just not a question. 157 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:15.319 Thank I did not ask that question. Please answer my question. 158 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:16.519 You believe. 159 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.199 I believe is okay? 160 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:25.920 Well, so could you answer the question? You don't believe 161 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:26.920 your God is omnipotent. 162 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.120 I don't believe in the God that you you guys 163 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:31.040 are talking about. 164 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.159 I'm not Christian, okay, hold on, no, no, well no, 165 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.559 so it doesn't matter if you're Christian nationalists, because Christian 166 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.799 nationalists are barely Christian in the first place. 167 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:41.600 So I can I read? 168 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:42.799 No? 169 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.799 Okay, well no, so so can I Can I read 170 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.720 all the statement for you? Hold on, Jeremy, are you there? 171 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:52.039 Can you hear me? 172 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:53.159 Okay? 173 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.519 Can I let me let me read a statement off 174 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.360 to you real quick, and I want you to tell 175 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.440 me whether or not this is God or if it's Satan. 176 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:01.679 Can can you do that for me? 177 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.120 Yeah? Okay? Uh. 178 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.480 The statement is one should strive to act with compassion 179 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:12.080 and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. Now 180 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.360 does that sound like Satan or is that God? 181 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:16.240 It's probably Satan. 182 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:17.879 It's probably okay? 183 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.480 Oh, good, good on you, because yes, that is tenant 184 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.440 number one of the Satanic Temple. Now what part of 185 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.559 that would you consider to be evil? 186 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.000 I believe that that Satan never said that, and I 187 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.240 believe that whoever worships Satan is just literally just taking 188 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:38.080 words from God and saying, okay, Satan said this. 189 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:39.120 Well we're going to. 190 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:44.600 Say Satan said this, okay, another Satanic temple, Like, I 191 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.600 don't believe anything that they have to say. 192 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.320 Okay, do you believe what the Bible says? 193 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.039 I believe parts of. 194 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.480 The Bible you believe you. Okay, so you cherry picked 195 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:55.919 the Bible. 196 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.360 That's my right to do. So you can call it 197 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:02.000 cherry picking. 198 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.000 Well, did did God inspire the Bible? 199 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.080 Or is God responsible for the Bible? 200 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.799 Let me ask you a question, just one question. 201 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.519 No, no, this is this is not how this no? No, 202 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:15.480 hold on, I'll let you ask you for a second. 203 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:17.879 You don't, I'll let you ask your question here in 204 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.039 a second, Jeremy. If you can't, if you can't follow 205 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.080 the ship that like like the host the hosting guidance here, 206 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:25.440 then you know we can. 207 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:27.399 We can move on. We get plenty of other callers. 208 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.960 Go okay, I'm going to read a statement to you, 209 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.720 and I want you to tell me if God said 210 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.240 this or if Satan said this. 211 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.360 Okay, okay, But if I don't believe Satan said it, 212 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.919 then what's the point of of you've been asking? No? 213 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.519 No, no, well no, it's either God. I'm giving you a choice. 214 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.399 It's either God said it or Satan said it, and 215 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:49.440 I want you to pick pick which one. Okay, okay, 216 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.519 all right. It says now, go and attack the Amalekites 217 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.960 and devote to destruction, utterly destroy all that belongs to them, 218 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.639 do not spare them, but put to death men and women, 219 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:02.759 children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. Now, 220 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.639 this is telling a group of people to go and 221 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.759 kill children, infants, and women. Do you figure that that 222 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:11.360 is God or Satan? 223 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:12.639 God said it? 224 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.919 God said it? So you earlier, I want to go back. 225 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.919 You've characterized God, your God, is being a god of love, 226 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:22.279 but then you've also characterized God as telling people to 227 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.720 go and stab children and infants and women in the 228 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.519 face or in the chest or however you want to 229 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.360 execute these children and infants. You've claimed that your God 230 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.159 is a god of love, but then you seem to 231 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:39.720 brand things that are actually loving, like compassion and empathy 232 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.399 and all that as not being loving, but as being 233 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.559 Satan or Satanic. And then you know this right here 234 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.320 is somehow loving, Like how is it loving to stab 235 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:53.440 a child in the face? 236 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.440 Do you believe in Satan? 237 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.840 No, that doesn't matter. Can you please answer my question. 238 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.559 You're bringing up something that Satan said as a form 239 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.879 of an argument towards me and my argument. 240 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:13.159 So no, right, believe I've pulled one verse from your Bible. 241 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.519 I've pulled one verse from your Bible that you claims 242 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.320 representative of an all loving God, and that verse includes 243 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:25.360 God telling his people to stab babies in the face. 244 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.720 And I'm wanting to know why you would think that 245 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.399 that is somehow a loving act by a loving God. 246 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:36.399 I don't because I simply just don't believe in that characterization. 247 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.759 Okay, well what characterization would you call it? On First 248 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.279 Samuel fifteen, verse three. 249 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.159 I would just like to know if God showed himself 250 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.159 to you both, would you believe in it? 251 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:51.879 I would, I would believe he existed. I would not 252 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:52.600 worship him. 253 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.159 Okay, Okay, that's fine. You can't see oxygen, but you 254 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:57.840 believe it's. 255 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:59.480 Keeping you alive. Goodbye? 256 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:00.159 What? 257 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:06.279 Oh? But he fucking ran? He ran quick like there 258 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:07.279 was a Okay. 259 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.279 First of all, that felt like an impossible conversation because 260 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:15.440 one he seems to be, you know, pulling his God 261 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.559 belief from the buffet of Christianity as opposed to, you know, 262 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:24.159 sticking with established theologies. He's decided to construct his own 263 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:25.679 DIY version of God. 264 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:27.759 And that's always really. 265 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.080 Tough to you know, have a discussion with, because they 266 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.840 literally just arbitrarily pick which things are good and which 267 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:34.480 things are bad. 268 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.720 Yeah, Well, I was kind of wanting to get into 269 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.639 like one Corinthians thirteen four nasheate right, where we get 270 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:44.759 a definition of what love is. Love is patient kind 271 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.559 does not havevy, envy, Envy and jealous here kind of synonyms. 272 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.440 And then we get Exodus thirty four to fourteen. Do 273 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.000 not worries for bening God. For the Lord whose name 274 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:59.399 is jealous is ahealous God. I would love to have 275 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.039 him to have justified his belief in God that way. 276 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.200 But I mean, yeah, and then you doing me who 277 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.799 said it no wonder? 278 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:12.840 Now? 279 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.399 Yeah, I hope that we can we can actually ask 280 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.000 somebody that particular question, because I would like to know 281 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.879 what their take is on the definition of love versus 282 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:25.679 what they think God's love is. But all right, uh, 283 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.799 we do have plenty of callers lined up, So do 284 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.320 you want to go ahead and get to the next 285 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:29.600 one there? 286 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.360 Jim ahead, All right. 287 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.600 Next up, we've got Courtney calling in from Florida. 288 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:37.559 What's up, Courtney. 289 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.799 I'm so sorry you're in Florida, but I'm glad that 290 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:40.759 you're calling in today. 291 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.360 What do you mean it's beautiful down here? 292 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:54.840 Yeah, I can't mention it on this show. Yeah, all right, so. 293 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.080 Courtney here, yep, we got you. 294 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:06.159 Yeah, it's beautiful down here. Fourth of July yesterday, lots 295 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:10.960 of fireworks. It was a great, beautiful, beautiful day, beautiful weekend. 296 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.639 Yeah, and the local neighborhood fireworks take into account that 297 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:16.879 there might be veterans with PTSD near you or did 298 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:18.559 you guys just not care? 299 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:20.240 No, we didn't care. 300 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:21.240 We just ended. 301 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:22.200 That's what I thought. 302 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.559 Got them off too. Yeah, they were out there. 303 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.039 I said veterans. I said veteran. 304 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.399 I specifically said veterans with PTSD, not just veterans, because 305 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.639 I am also a veteran. I do not have PHSD, 306 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.320 but I know veterans friends of mine who have PTSD, 307 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:41.080 for whom the fireworks, uh can trigger their PTSD quite easily. 308 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.879 So yeah, so yeah, you know that's typical. So anyway, 309 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.519 you want to ask us where we get our morals from? 310 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.320 Right, we had a good time. We had a good time. 311 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.639 Good for you. So where do you where do you 312 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.600 we get? Where do if you get morals from? I 313 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.559 got mine from a cracker jack box? What does it matter? 314 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.840 Where do you? Where do you get your morals from? 315 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.639 If you if you don't get I get my morals 316 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:04.360 from the Bible. 317 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.360 So if you really get your morals from can I 318 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.200 buy your daughter? If you don't get can I buy 319 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.720 your daughter? What's that? Can I buy your daughter? Can 320 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.000 you buy my daughter? 321 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:15.240 Wall? 322 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.039 It is, it's actually opposite of that. 323 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.000 Wait, wait it depends. Did you just say it depends? 324 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.559 Like what does it depend on the price tag? Like 325 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.639 are you going to negotiate? Like do you want to 326 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.080 open up like a line of negotiations or something. 327 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.879 It's actually it's the opposite of that of the Bible. 328 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.639 You're supposed to give a dowry to somebody that wants 329 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:37.519 to marry your daughter. 330 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.519 No, no, so I said, is twenty one seven through eleven. 331 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:43.600 Let me quote you that. Let me quote your Bible 332 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.279 for you. Exaid it's twenty one seven through eleven. 333 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.799 If a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, 334 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.399 she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 335 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:56.919 If she doesn't please her master, who has married her 336 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.480 to himself, that he shall let her be redeemed. 337 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.480 Yeah, I shall have no right to sell her. Yeah, 338 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.680 So that's selling. That is literally selling a daughter into slavery. 339 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.519 Your Bible says that you can do it. 340 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.079 Is it slavery or is it just. 341 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:16.240 Being married slavery? It's the words that uses, if a 342 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.559 man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she 343 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.480 shall not go out as the male slaves do. So 344 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.960 not only can you sell your daughter into a slave, 345 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.359 she's got a whole different set of rules that men do, 346 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.880 and she can't go free like a like if you 347 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.519 had sold your son. If you sell your son, and 348 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.480 your son can go free if he's Jewish, but not 349 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.039 your daughter, is that moral? Would my daughter be Jewish? Also? 350 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.200 It's a yes or no question. It's a yes or 351 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.519 no question. Is that moral? Is it moral to sell 352 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:53.720 your daughter into slavery where she cannot be redeemed, she 353 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:58.400 can't get out of it. That's called bearriage. No, slavery 354 00:17:58.440 --> 00:17:59.400 is what we're talking about. 355 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.480 Slavery is what you're talking about. We're talking about marriage. 356 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:05.000 That's what you first know. 357 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:08.279 I'm literally, I'm reading to you what the Bible verse 358 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:14.279 literally is it says, quote, if a man sells his 359 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.079 daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go 360 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.799 out as the male slaves do. Oh yeah, that's not marriage, 361 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:23.839 that's slavery. 362 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:25.720 Yeah, that is slavery. 363 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.519 But she is good, she is getting fucked. 364 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.359 He's getting what somebody is getting banged, somebody's tucking her. 365 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.119 Yeah, that's what slavery is. 366 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.400 She has no choice, you know what we creat Yeah, 367 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.839 that's slavery and rape. Your your Your morals are bat 368 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:43.079 in a thousand here, aren't they? 369 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.599 You want to continue on her when you're agree that 370 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:46.359 the Bible. 371 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.559 Is a horrible place to get morals from, and that 372 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.240 we are more moral as a modern society, that things, 373 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.039 all forms of slavery are bad things, all forms of 374 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:56.920 rape are bad. 375 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:01.839 Is better than anything your Bible will produce? Or do 376 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:03.759 you want them to keep kicking you out on this one? 377 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.039 You're saying that, So you're saying that my Bible says 378 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.599 that slavery and rape is okay. 379 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.599 Yes, yes, I just read you the exact verse. It 380 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.960 says that slavery and slavery of women. 381 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.000 I got more slavery verses that will show you that 382 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.839 chattel slavery is absolutely okay by your Bible. 383 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:26.559 All right, yeah, well, sot me, Courtney, Courtney, do you 384 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.480 recall Well, hold on, so, Courtney, do you remember, do 385 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.480 you recall the story of Jacob before he got. 386 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:35.359 Renamed into Israel? 387 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.519 Enlightened me Okay, So Jacob is strolling through uh you 388 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.759 know the area at that time, and you know, he 389 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.720 basically passes I forget what is what his name is, uh, 390 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:51.640 the father's house, right, and and of course he sees 391 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.759 the uh probably seven year old girl and then. 392 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:57.440 A fourteen year old girl right. 393 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.880 And he sees them and he's like, hey, I want 394 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.559 to purchase that older girl right there. 395 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:05.359 I believe that would have been Leah. 396 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:05.599 Right. 397 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:10.119 So the father was like, okay, you can work for 398 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.079 seven years to purchase my daughter. And then, you know, 399 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.559 he works for seven years and then the father actually 400 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:20.880 gives him the younger daughter and he doesn't realize it 401 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.799 until the morning after he rapes her and is married 402 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:27.640 to her, and so he has to work for another 403 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.640 seven years in order to buy the other daughter. Now, 404 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.559 do you see this as as him selling his daughters 405 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.599 to a man, And do you think that there is 406 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.839 any situation or there there's any indication in the text 407 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.319 that the girl's consent was ever considered. 408 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:54.119 If I was. 409 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:56.880 In that situation, is that when you're asking no, no. 410 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:01.079 No, I'm asking you if God's text the the the 411 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.359 man that God chose to base his hold hold on, 412 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.440 hold on Courtney. I'm asking you if if the god 413 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.559 that wrote the Bible chose the man to base his 414 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.960 entire special group of people off of bought his two 415 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:21.799 wives who came with two concubines, right, did did he 416 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.640 buy them or did he uh, you know, ask their 417 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:30.440 consent and marry them? 418 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:30.920 I don't know. 419 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:35.960 The Bible is something that is something that I understand 420 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.279 why you don't understand it? Back then men were men 421 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:41.200 and they used to cut up. 422 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.559 Well, you're okay with slavery, You're okay. You're saying that 423 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:48.640 slavery and rape are okay, you're okay with those? Yes, Yes, 424 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:53.039 it is, yes, because the Bible that we're giving you 425 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.880 black letter word for words, straight from the Bible, and 426 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:57.960 you're agreeing with it. 427 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.599 Giving they're trying to that's what you say. 428 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.200 They're trying to. They don't believe in Jesus. 429 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:12.519 Yeah, and even the Old and even the Old Testament, some. 430 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:13.920 Of these things that they're bringing up. 431 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.640 I don't mind them. I really you don't mind being 432 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:19.799 able to sell your daughter into slavery so she can 433 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:20.359 get raimed. 434 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:22.279 Wow. 435 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:25.480 Ye, And you're going to try and claim that your 436 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.519 morals are better than ours. We're not talking about marriage. 437 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.720 There's no word marriage and Exodus twenty one seven through eleven. 438 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.319 Look it up yourself. I'm sure you've got a Bible 439 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.240 right there next to you. Flip it open, read it. 440 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.279 Do you have children? It doesn't matter. I would never 441 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:47.200 ever sell my daughter. I would never ever obey this 442 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.680 particular quote from the Bible. Ever you and no, I 443 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:53.799 would not. I do not want, nor do I would 444 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.640 I need any type of dowry for her. 445 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.960 That's just selling her into that's still selling her into slavery. 446 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:06.480 So you have no, I don't have children, it's irrelevant. Yeah, 447 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:12.559 the Bible says if a man sells his daughter, sells 448 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:18.000 his daughter to be a female slave. That's what you're 449 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:19.880 dream kill. You're saying, is that's okay? 450 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:23.200 No? 451 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:31.039 Modern day Oh no, modern day slavery is fucking chains 452 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:32.000 and whips and all. 453 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.039 You want to You want to go there, we can 454 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.960 go there. Go ahead. 455 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:43.359 Well, I was yeah, I was just going to say 456 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:46.200 that that you're you're making courtney. Are you listening to 457 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.519 us at all? Or are you having a conversation with 458 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:49.599 your wife? 459 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.480 Oh no, you're a speaker. 460 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:53.240 I can hear you. 461 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.440 Oh no, I understand that. I was just making if 462 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.519 I was going to be talking. I just wanted I 463 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.920 wanted him to be like, sorry, I'm not sure how 464 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:03.079 to respond. 465 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.079 To you, because are you a he or a she? 466 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.359 Or are they? Like I'm not sure? 467 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.359 Oh no, oh no no, no, no, no, no no. 468 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.720 We're not going for a liberal babble. 469 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.240 For liberal. 470 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:17.599 Like. 471 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.680 For one thing, ma'am, I am not a liberal. I'm 472 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.079 a leftist for one. For two, I just want to 473 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:28.480 actually be able to refer to him accurately. Otherwise, I'm 474 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.079 just gonna go with whatever my intuition gives me, and 475 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:35.279 I'm gonna call uh Courtney as she and whoever you 476 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:35.920 are he. 477 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.160 Oh, that's fine, you can call him a she, but 478 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:39.599 I know. 479 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:40.279 He has a dick. 480 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.440 Okay, that doesn't actually distinguish the fact. 481 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.200 Yeah. 482 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.640 So anyway, let's let's go back to the Bible. Let's 483 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.720 open our bibles. Grab your Bible and please open it. 484 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:57.920 Tax it is twenty one versus twenty through twenty one, And. 485 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.079 Let us read. If a man try his slave with 486 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:06.200 a rod, and he dies under his hand, he shall 487 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.119 surely be punished. Notwithstanding if he gets up after a 488 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.920 day or two, he shall not be punished for he 489 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:19.319 is his property, and that the word the Hebrew word 490 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:19.799 for property. 491 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.640 There actually is also the Hebrew word for silver, so 492 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.839 you can also translate that as money. 493 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.160 So what you just said, again, here we are with 494 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.240 an atheist teaching you what's in your bible. You just said, 495 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.759 slavery is whips and chains and beating slaves, And here 496 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:38.079 we have the Bible saying you can do that, and 497 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.680 you're okay with that. You're okay with slavery. 498 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:47.759 Actually if it's you too, he said, especially. 499 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.319 If it's us. Yeah, So you're okay with slavery. We 500 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.799 got that. So you're a moral monster by today's standards. 501 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.839 You are a moral monster. How does that? How does 502 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.519 that make you feel? 503 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.039 Knowing that you are an evil person by modern standards? 504 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.839 Puns you guys both in fucking chains? 505 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:02.480 Oh? 506 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.720 Will you do you normally think about putting two men 507 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:07.240 in chains for your pleasure? 508 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.559 It's for my advancement, not my pleasure, your advancement. 509 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.640 Are you going to advance on me? 510 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:16.000 There? 511 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:17.839 But that sounds real crapy to me. 512 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.640 Yeah, also sound sounds sounds sounds a little gay. 513 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:29.000 So now, Courtney, I'm wondering you say that you get 514 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:30.960 your morals from the Bible. 515 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.480 Can you tell me now. 516 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:39.440 What we're quoting our game? Our game is quoting the Bible. 517 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.920 You're the one threatening to put us in chains, So 518 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:44.720 let's get it right. Yeah. 519 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.200 Yeah, So let's continue opening our Bible, shall we? And 520 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.920 continue on with the Bible lesson where can you get 521 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.119 your slaves from? That is answered in Leviticus chapter twenty five, 522 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:58.559 forty four through forty six. As for your male and 523 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:03.480 your female slaves whom you may have, of the nations that. 524 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:04.160 Are around you. 525 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.480 From them, you may buy buy male and female slaves. 526 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.920 So you're okay with buying slaves, You're okay with shattle slavery. 527 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.279 You are a moral monster. 528 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.119 Ping fifty points for jim My. 529 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.079 God does not think I'm a monster. For one and 530 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:23.920 two you are well. 531 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.079 No, if you think you can buy your slaves whom 532 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.359 you may have from the nations around you, and you 533 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:30.759 think it's okay to beat them as long as they 534 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.680 don't die within three days, then no, your Bible is 535 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.960 not a moral monster. And that's also I said, by 536 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.720 today's standards, where we have abolished slavery, we have abolished 537 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:44.720 all forms of slavery, because slavery is evil and wrong. 538 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.799 Guess what that makes you evil and wrong? 539 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:50.440 You didn't abolish shit. 540 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.839 You're just your intellect. Your IQ is just falling by 541 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.880 the moment as I read you from your Bible. 542 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.160 Yeah, so I'm wondering. 543 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.359 We've read to you a few things that are Courtney, 544 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.720 Can you actually establish, using your god given understanding of 545 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.880 morality or your your divine command? 546 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.400 Uh, that slavery is bad? 547 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.599 Is that? Not where it came from? 548 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.480 Is the Bible not where slavery is bad came from? 549 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:22.839 Now? 550 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.079 You can you? 551 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.519 But can you give me book, chapter verse of where 552 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.559 it says that slavery is bad in the Bible? 553 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.440 Nope? You can't. 554 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.880 No, I mean because it's not there. 555 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.200 But I'm wondering if you have it, maybe I missed it. 556 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.720 Okay, Yeah, I'm giving you chapter and verse. Do us 557 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:48.839 the same courtesy of giving us chapter in verse. 558 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:50.799 I'm not getting all my. 559 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.440 You can't give us chapter and verse because we studied 560 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.519 the Bible. You, that's why we know there's ships in 561 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.960 here the Bible. 562 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:01.079 I'll look it up. 563 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:01.880 I'll look it up. 564 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:02.640 I'll look it up. 565 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.000 Where you want to study the Bible? 566 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.279 Nope, study the whole thing. 567 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.640 Hey, Jim, do you want to put money down on 568 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.680 if they bring up Galatians three twenty nine. 569 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.119 Oh, no, that we'll try and bring up Galatians for 570 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.000 twenty nine. That's not going to work for them. 571 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.279 There's nothing in the New Testament that works for them, 572 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.880 because we'll just bring up the fact that Paul converts 573 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.200 a slave to Christianity and sends that slave back to 574 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.519 his master as a slave. Paul is perfectly okay. 575 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.920 Slavery was perfectly fine at the time that the Bible 576 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.640 was written, and was for quite some time after as well. 577 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.000 And you just can't get around that this is just 578 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.720 and these these laws aren't even unique to the Bible. 579 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:46.960 They're just the standard laws that existed in the Levant 580 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.440 at this time. So you know, in the Middle East, 581 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.400 they're not even newer, new or unique. 582 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:54.839 They're unique to the Bible. 583 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:56.960 They're they're not. 584 00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:58.880 I'll tell you that. 585 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:00.880 You know there there Eleron. 586 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.599 You know that there are other cultures outside of Judaism 587 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.240 and Christianity in the ancient Near East, Right, I. 588 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:14.000 Think Judaism was the only ones that actually supported no. 589 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.160 Accident twenty one sixteen. Anyone who kidnapped another and sells 590 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.319 him must be put to death. 591 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.599 You are correct, very good, and we know about that one. 592 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.000 Guess what you have a problem with I've already read, 593 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.079 so you can't. Yes, slavers are a bad thing, and 594 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.559 slavers are outlawed by the Bible. The problem is. 595 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.559 That Exodus twenty one seven through eleven, if a man 596 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:47.599 sells his daughter to be a female slaves, that that's 597 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.319 not a slaver doing that, that's a dad doing that. 598 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.480 And then you it also specifically said, as I've already said, 599 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.000 and you apparently forgot Leviticus twenty five forty four through 600 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.039 forty six, as for your male and female slaves whom 601 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.720 you may have, of the nations that are around you. 602 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.440 From them, you may buy male and female slaves. So no, 603 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:13.720 you're not buying them from slavers, You're buying them from 604 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:14.319 other people. 605 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.880 Yeah, And I would like to point out that that 606 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.119 particular section, if you actually do the exe Jesus on it, 607 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.680 it's actually talking about kidnapping your fellow Israelite and selling 608 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.599 them into slavery. 609 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:27.160 It is not. 610 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.480 It is not talking about the foreigners from which you 611 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.079 may purchase slaves. The foreigners from which you may purchase slaves. 612 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.799 They could have been kidnapped they I mean, the Israelites 613 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:40.319 really don't care about what happens in other countries. But 614 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.799 also there's prisoners of war. Do you think the prisoners 615 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.279 of war should be able to be sold into slavery? 616 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.920 The Bible has to say that's what I'm seeing. No, 617 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:56.640 let me think I just studied loved guests like I 618 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:02.119 just got done good. Exactly what Bendicotte I'm talking. I 619 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.119 know exactly what Leviticu. 620 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.319 I know what it says. Now. 621 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.599 Would I sell my daughter? 622 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.400 My daughter's twenty one, And let me tell you what, 623 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.079 if I sold her, I'd sell her to a rich ass. 624 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.559 Man, because then she'd be living high. 625 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.240 You can't sell her, ma'am. You have no rights to 626 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.240 do anything except what your husband tells you. 627 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.960 Courtney Courty's Courty's wife just said she'd sell her daughter 628 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:33.920 to Jeffrey Epstein. Like, that's just crazy shit right now? 629 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.400 Would I sell my daughter to Jeffrey Epstein? The fucking 630 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.799 course I would. I'd get a pretty penny for that. 631 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.960 I just can't believe that in twenty twenty six people 632 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.720 are saying they would sell their daughters into slavery. 633 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.519 It just makes no sense to me. 634 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.000 You know what does no no, When you factor in 635 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.680 there from Florida, that actually makes a whole lot of 636 00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:58.400 sense right there. 637 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.000 Oh well, yeah, we can't speak much we're from We're 638 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.039 in Alabama, so. 639 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.680 You know, I mean yeah, I mean I totally expect 640 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.000 somebody here in Alabama to be like. 641 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.440 Yeah, I totally sell my daughter into slavery. 642 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.720 Like Soll Courtney, it seems to me like us as 643 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.440 atheists have a better handle on what is and is 644 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.640 not moral, and you seem to be hanging your hat 645 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.400 on God and it just seems to get you into 646 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.440 a weird predicament where you're selling your daughter to Jeffrey Epstein, 647 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.000 who has the better moral foundation. 648 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.519 Again, never want should I say I would sell my 649 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:39.160 daughter Jeffrey Epstein was Jeffrey. 650 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.319 Was Jeffrey Epstein Rich go jumping a fucking rapist. 651 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.119 That's exactly what you get from fucking liberal jackasses that 652 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:50.480 got no fucking. 653 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.680 Ball to their own and they got Okay, so let's 654 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.079 get off slavery for a minute and let me ask you. 655 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.279 Do you guys work on Sunday? 656 00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:59.480 Conservative? 657 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.559 Do you do you work on Sundays? Do you work 658 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:12.320 on Sundays? Do you work on Sundays. I get her word, 659 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.519 he say, Now she's a. 660 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.840 Christian conservati you and know if she's a Christian Conservative, 661 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.239 she doesn't work their gym. 662 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.360 All right, I'm sorry, I know you don't work. You 663 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.639 only exist to be a sexual plaything for your husband. 664 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:32.079 So, hubby, do you work on Sundays? 665 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:32.760 Tonight? 666 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:33.400 You? 667 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:35.360 Yeah? 668 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.639 Anyway, that's that's not really the answer to the question 669 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.320 I was looking for. 670 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.679 Do you work on Sundays? 671 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.280 Your boyfriend, do. 672 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.559 You work on Sundays? 673 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.039 Well, what's your question? 674 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:49.239 Do you work on Sundays? 675 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.960 Absolutely? Do not work on Sundays? Really, Holy Day on 676 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.880 the seventh day? 677 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.360 Right, so you've never worked on some. 678 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:04.320 Well? 679 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.239 Hold on, Courtney's wife did tell you I will defend 680 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.320 my God against you any day of the week. 681 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:11.760 I don't care. 682 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:17.599 You're doing a horrible job of it. You're agreeing that 683 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:18.519 your God is evil. 684 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:25.280 Guess what, Courtney Courtney's wife, Courtney Courtney's wife. What can 685 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.320 I call you Courtney's wife? What can I call you 686 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.920 other than Courtney's wife? Because I don't like labeling women 687 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:38.239 by being owned by their husband. Rachel, Rat, Rachel, Hi, Rachel. 688 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.079 I'm wondering, do you do you guys like to like 689 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.320 go out to restaurants or something like that, like a 690 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:45.639 good after church meal. 691 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.119 No, we don't we cook, okay, do you like? 692 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.519 Do you do you cook food on Sundays? 693 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:54.480 Right now? 694 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.239 We like food on Sundays. But according to the Old Testament, 695 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.360 you're not supposed to eat on Sundays and you're not 696 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:02.920 supposed to eat on leavened bread. 697 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.920 Okay, and you don't do either of those things. 698 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:12.519 Everybody eats on Sunday. When Jesus died on the cross, 699 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.880 all of that was washed away for one and two. 700 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.440 No, no, no, hold. 701 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:22.480 On, Rachel, Rachel, can you you've got a Bible there, 702 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:22.920 don't you? 703 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.800 I do we go to teach in the Bible again? 704 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.639 Yeah, Rachel, I want you to. Can you turn in 705 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.639 your Bible to Matthew five? 706 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.679 Rachel? Can you turn in your Bible to Matthew five. 707 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:42.960 In front of me? 708 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:45.000 Okay? That's fine? 709 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.360 A meat though it looks wis oh Alice is my song? 710 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.119 And I sell him to a hearty Well, gee, are 711 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:55.920 they talking about selling people now? 712 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:57.559 Like this is crazy? 713 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.400 They're talking about there, They're they're back to to they're 714 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.119 okay with selling people into slavery. 715 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:03.920 Matthew five. 716 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.639 Right, yep, Matthew five. 717 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.000 Now I want you to go down to verse seventeen 718 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.000 in Matthew five. 719 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.039 I don't like your cockiness, sir. Where are you? 720 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:21.599 We know the Bible better than you. 721 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.760 We're running the atheists are teaching you what's in your Bible, 722 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.159 and we're also pointing out what's evil and wrong about it, 723 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.159 and you're just going, yeah, we're okay with it because 724 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.320 it's in the Bible, because you have no thinking power 725 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:31.880 of your own. 726 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.599 Yeah, go ahead, Look, tell John tell us about Matthew 727 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.119 seventeen through what is it nineteen? 728 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.480 Yeah, okay, Yeah, Well, I was letting Rachel read it. 729 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.239 Rachel, could you read to us, please, verse seventeen and eighteen. 730 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.199 Think not that I am come to destroy the law 731 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.320 or the prophet. 732 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:54.440 I am not. 733 00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:00.159 Come to destroy, but to fulfill for their le that 734 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:06.840 that death barely. I say unto you, till heaven and 735 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:13.719 earth pass one jot or one little shall in no 736 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:20.119 wise pass from the law, will all be fulfilled. Whosoever 737 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:25.519 therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall 738 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.239 teach men, so he shall be called the least in 739 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.639 the Kingdom of Heaven. 740 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.480 But who, yes, ever ye you've got to meet of it. 741 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.400 So what is in a tittle? 742 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.599 I don't know. I haven't studied Matthew yet. Why don't you, 743 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.079 Why don't you fill me in? Fill my brain? 744 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.480 Because you know what a stroke basically a stroke of 745 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.199 the pat, not a single stroke of the pat, not 746 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.280 a a tea will go on across that, I will go, 747 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.159 will go undotted is basically what they're saying. 748 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.760 It is you can't change even a stroke of the 749 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:01.920 of the Old Testament. 750 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.559 So you just said that these laws aren't it existens 751 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.239 anymore because of some new covenant. 752 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:09.519 And yet it. 753 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:16.400 Doesn't say anything about the Old Testament. It says the commandments, 754 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:17.320 which there what. 755 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.039 Do you think? No? 756 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.239 Do you know your tests? 757 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:21.920 No? 758 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.800 No, no, it's not the ten Commandments. It's God's commandments, 759 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.639 all six hundred and thirteen of them. 760 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:32.320 And when Jesus came, all of that was washed away. 761 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.920 Matthew seventeen through nineteen disagrees with you? 762 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.000 Not okay, you don't have to agree with me, because 763 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.400 I'm honestly, I really care. 764 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.519 You're not Rachel. 765 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.559 Y'all called us. 766 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:53.199 I'm starting to understand that you guys. All you guys 767 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:59.079 care about is taking Christian conservatives and bashing the hell 768 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.519 out of them. No, and when they won't bowed down and. 769 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.079 Agree with you. 770 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.760 No, no, Rachel, Rachel throwing Rachel right, Rachel, I need you 771 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.239 to explain something to me real quick. 772 00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:11.760 Can you do that? 773 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.039 I sure, why not? But you're just going to that 774 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.840 other dude's going to just laugh at me, or he 775 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.679 might be a girl, just laugh at me, and then 776 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.400 you're going to throw another Bible. 777 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:25.480 No. 778 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.920 I just need you to explain to me, like part 779 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:34.599 of your thought process is that. Okay, all right, that's fine. Okay, 780 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.840 So you say that Jesus washed all of the commandments away, 781 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.519 but then we just had you read Rae says, I've 782 00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.079 not come to abolish. 783 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.920 The laws all of our sins. He washed all of 784 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:51.920 our sins away. The Old Testament was abolished, the ten 785 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:58.440 Commandment stay no, no, so the old hold on, Rachel, Rachel, 786 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:04.239 you are the wall that follow the bar Bible hardcore. 787 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:06.800 You know what. 788 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:07.280 Okay? 789 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.239 So, Rachel and Courtney, I feel like maybe you guys 790 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.079 need to look up some commentaries on these verses because 791 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.360 y'all are just totally outside the realm of reasonable on 792 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.360 these particular verses, especially with the fact that you say 793 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:27.440 that the Old Testament was abolished when Jesus died on 794 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.960 the cross because he washed away or sins or whatnot. So, 795 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.840 but then you just read how Jesus said that he 796 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.800 did not come to abolish the law. The law is 797 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.800 the six hundred and thirteen Commandments as laid out in 798 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.199 the Old Testament. So it can't be that he abolished 799 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.519 the Old Testament but also kept the Old Testament. That 800 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.320 is breaking the law of non contradiction, which is a 801 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.599 basically law of logic there, So I think that maybe 802 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.239 you need to get a handle on that. Also, next 803 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.639 time you call in, fewer margaritas. 804 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:58.719 Are we still alive on air? 805 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:00.840 Oh yeah, fuck. 806 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.760 Yeah, yeah, this is all your support of selling your 807 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.880 children into slavery is on YouTube, and we'll be for 808 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.159 as long as YouTube is around. 809 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.360 Apparently we're alive on our course. 810 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:21.559 Of course, children's shut it, not us. We were shocked. 811 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.360 You said it's. 812 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.840 Fucking six point fifteen in Florida right now, Guys, like, 813 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:27.920 what the fuck you. 814 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.920 Can't even afford by children? 815 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.039 Okay, I'm not I've got I've got engineer money. I 816 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.679 don't want to buy your children, but I have engineer 817 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.039 money buddy. So anyways, Rachel and Courtney, I hope, I 818 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.960 hope you you guys drink some water and drink and 819 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.280 get some food to soak up that alcohol. But I 820 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.119 think that we're going to move on to our next callers. 821 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.039 Okay, that's all right, guys. 822 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:55.400 All right. 823 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.280 How can we be attacking conservative conservative Christians when all 824 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:02.960 is reading their Bible to them? 825 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:09.320 Jim, listen, the Old Testament was abolished, but also it 826 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.519 is not not abolished. 827 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:15.400 Okay. 828 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.320 I mean, I don't know if they were like doing 829 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.239 shots while they were on the air, but like they 830 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.280 started off fine and then eventually got to the part 831 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.960 where they were like, you know what, you can't afford 832 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:29.480 my daughter. 833 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.920 Yeah, either they were drinking or they were so livid 834 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.320 at being kicked around by their own Bible and taken 835 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.320 to task by people who read and study the Bible. 836 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.079 I mean, I have nowhere near your level, gee, but 837 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.199 I do read to study it and I'm getting better 838 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:47.559 at it. 839 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.880 But alls we're doing is reading the Bible, guys. Yeah. 840 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.960 Please, we would love to see some super chats if 841 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:01.920 anybody has had like experiences with you know, anybody that's 842 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.719 trying to argue with them while inebriated. We'd love to 843 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.880 hear some of those stories through superchats if if y'all can. Also, 844 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.719 if you would like to ask us any questions about 845 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.840 any of the things that we're talking about today, feel 846 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.800 free to send in those super chats. We'd love to 847 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.920 see them. We do have a healthy cue. So are 848 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.400 you ready to get to the next one? There, Jim, Absolutely, 849 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.239 let's do it all right. So we've got Glenn in Australia. 850 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.320 Hey there, Glenn, how you doing today? 851 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.280 Yeah, I'm a good man. 852 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.440 Thanks, I was. 853 00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.320 Next to I'm sitting here at sixteighteen I am, and 854 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:37.800 I'm freezing my ass up. 855 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.320 Yeah, on the other side of the world where it's 856 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.360 not winter. For those of you who don't know it's winter, 857 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.320 I'm just heading medication. 858 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.639 Oh take it now, take it later, take it now, 859 00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:01.400 take you later. Anyway, there's so two assholes that the 860 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.320 report or let me tell you. I'll tell you what 861 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.360 modern based slavery is. I spent ten years overseas and 862 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.280 going into South America as well. Okay, you want to 863 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.559 see modern based slavery? 864 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.559 Yeah, oh, I know it exists. 865 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:17.119 I mean. 866 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.280 Multiple forms it exists, right right, Hey. 867 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.719 I'll tell you one thing. From the Ukraine up through 868 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.920 Hungry Romanian, second Slovakia, all their assholes then that the 869 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.079 one container through there's a levy tie. I don't want 870 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.559 to set your PPSP off there. 871 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.440 Oh, I don't have any I never made it into combat, 872 00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:43.960 so I was very fortunate don't have any. 873 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.400 Well, I wasn't in a combat round myself, more like 874 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.239 police officers. And let me tell you. There was a 875 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:59.159 gunman there holding a dead I dated it dead for 876 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.760 three weeks. And that's what modern fucking bassed baby is 877 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:08.039 to those two assholes. You know, man, I'm sitting there 878 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.159 picturing you. I said, yes, that's what you get for 879 00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.800 rib mother fuckers. 880 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:20.519 Yeah, well, I I understand your frustration there, Glenn, But 881 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.280 you said that your stepson said before he sorry, sorry to. 882 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:25.519 Hang on. 883 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.519 And real quick, that asshole doesn't know your ship about me. 884 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.039 He's gonna I'm gonna get my tenderloine, tenderlines, underworks, muscle 885 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:41.480 mos fucking flavor, learning your meat. Hell, get some fucking 886 00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:51.119 strip line. Okay, okay, we're right, but anyway, anyway, God, 887 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.400 there's a reason why people want to believe in God. 888 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:58.920 It's because they've gotten nothing. 889 00:46:58.760 --> 00:46:59.559 Else to hold for. 890 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:02.360 Well, I think that you probably need to call the 891 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.519 Recovering from Religion Foundation to take care of that. 892 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:06.679 That. 893 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.599 Or there's also Grief Beyond Belief. That's another organization out 894 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.239 there too. There's several different secular organizations that can that 895 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.480 can help with that kind of of issue. 896 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:23.159 But I mean you said that, yeah, Well I meant 897 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.840 is that religion was formed by men, so the people that. 898 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.639 Had nothing could be able to grasp onto something to 899 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.599 believe in. That's what I mean, you know what I mean? 900 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.480 Okay, Yeah, I got you. 901 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:45.039 Sorry, just trying to process me you're saying here, I 902 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.280 mean so, so, I mean I understand. 903 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.960 I guess I could understand how that might be appealing. 904 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:55.800 A lot of believers. 905 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:57.480 Steps. 906 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.000 So, see, months before he died, he died of been 907 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:09.840 testing on pneumonia and he said to me, yeah, he 908 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.840 said to He said to me, he goes, you know, 909 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:19.159 I hadn't do any other night, and I was flying 910 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.000 for his space and I went, oh man, he takes 911 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.159 me must rings and what you and he goes, no, 912 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:31.320 he goes, he's flying for his space and it got 913 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.480 hard to break and then he goes, I end up 914 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.159 past space. 915 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:39.559 And I come to a room. 916 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.239 And there was the foak sitting at the desk writing 917 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.840 on a piece of paper, and he goes, oh, you 918 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.320 have a right, and the rope turned around to give 919 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.760 them the pen, and he goes, it was me. I'm 920 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:55.440 to prinis writing this story. 921 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.639 Okay, right, I don't I don't understand. Well, I don't 922 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.320 understand why this should make you believe in God. Like 923 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.920 these anecdotales, they don't. 924 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:11.920 He. 925 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:19.719 Per se is thought, but in us he's to continue 926 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.599 out in the story. 927 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.119 Okay, I'm so sorry, Glenn. I'm having trouble following like 928 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.960 your story and how it relates to believing in God. 929 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:30.679 I don't believe in. 930 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:34.679 What what we saw. 931 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.480 He didn't have believe in God. But the thing is 932 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.880 the dream that he had he was his own being. 933 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.559 Do you give me no, I'm not following. I'm so sorry. 934 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.199 So it sounds like you're saying that that, Uh let 935 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:54.599 me let me just take the story to you, just 936 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.960 to make sure that I'm following here. You're trying to 937 00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.320 have a very he fluent outer space. He found the room, said, 938 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.719 and in the room was one guy writing writing a 939 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.280 story and saying that he was done. 940 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.639 Yeah, he goes, Oh, your garage is now you'll turn 941 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:14.119 into tennis writing sword. 942 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.280 Okay, So how does that how does that relate to God? 943 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:27.079 He he sort of said that he was strong himself, 944 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:32.639 he was designed being is not gone. We write write 945 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:33.199 in Indians. 946 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:39.480 Okay. So what if if somebody had a dream just 947 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:45.199 before they died and only it's Gandah, an Indian God? 948 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:49.559 What does that have to do? Would that prove that exists? 949 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.079 I would postbly say that is a matter of one 950 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:55.320 of the dreams called bens. 951 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.599 Oh. So if it's Gandash, it's a want a dream. 952 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.360 But if it's the Christian God, it's not. But it wasn't. 953 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.119 It wasn't, Dog, It was much that son sitting at 954 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:09.360 the disk right in the boat. 955 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:10.719 Right. 956 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.559 But you're saying they should make you believe in God, 957 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.760 and I'm asking if we switch it for the Christian. 958 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.039 God, does that make me? 959 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.239 Yeah, I actually believe more in the hind Dogs Christian gods. 960 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.079 Okay, all right, so it should make us believe in God. 961 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.519 No, no, no, I'm not trying to stay believing dog. 962 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:34.360 Yeah. 963 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:41.639 Like it's like I'm tryn't explain it. You know, it's from. 964 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.440 Well hang on, So so if I'm. 965 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:53.159 If I'm making peat, if I'm making tea, and I 966 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.440 haven't been as scoring that top, and I got, oh, 967 00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.239 should I have to go scoring that? 968 00:51:58.400 --> 00:51:58.599 Come? 969 00:51:59.679 --> 00:51:59.840 Well? 970 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.199 South? 971 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:04.320 Right? 972 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.800 So, Glenn, I know that you've been hanging on for 973 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.119 a while here, but I don't really see how we 974 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.760 can have a very productive conversation over this, because like 975 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.119 I kind of feel like you have such an amorphous 976 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.760 sort of definition of God that you're defining God into 977 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.880 this you know, undefinable thing that where it's it's both 978 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.239 everything and nothing at the exact same time. So I mean, 979 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.639 I like, unless you can make it less, you can 980 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.239 unless you can make a coherent argument for how your 981 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.960 anecdotal experience here actually proves that God exists. 982 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.920 And I don't think that we can really continue. 983 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:48.039 It's because it was actually put the two blurred said, well, 984 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:56.960 I'm outsciting actually believes is the God? 985 00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:58.559 Okay? 986 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:03.280 You the thing like you've seen the stories and stuff like. 987 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:08.559 That, and you know, I like it's sort of it's question, 988 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:09.800 you know. 989 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.480 So So Glenn, I think that that we're probably going 990 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.320 to move on because we do have a healthy cube 991 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.519 of people. And I get that you were calling for 992 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.639 truth Wanted and I I next, you know, if you 993 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.519 really want to talk to the guys on Truth Wanted, 994 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.920 I would definitely try to call in nearly immediately when 995 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:30.679 the show starts. 996 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:38.159 Yeah, I believe it's probably around what like two two 997 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:39.960 thirty pm Central? 998 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:43.840 Say it's work, Yeah, is it? 999 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:45.639 Oh? 1000 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:46.199 Truth Wanted? 1001 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.360 Ye, truth Wanted? Yeah, yeah, all over Central. 1002 00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.199 Yeah, he does to two degrees similar ideas. 1003 00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:01.000 Yeah, okay, okay, all right, well, hey Glenn, you have 1004 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.480 a great morning, uh, and the rest of your day 1005 00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.199 in the future, and I will I will talk to 1006 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:06.599 you later. 1007 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:07.000 Okay. 1008 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.840 Yeah, it was first bond and all this. 1009 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:13.559 Yep, I got you. 1010 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:15.639 Oh my god. 1011 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.880 All right, see lady Glenn. All right, interesting calls so far. 1012 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.880 Anecdotal stories always kind of like miss me, uh because 1013 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.719 there's like no way for us to actually prove anything there. 1014 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.360 But it also didn't sound like he had anything to prove. 1015 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.679 He was just wanting to sort of soapbox a little bit. 1016 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:37.519 I agree. 1017 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:40.760 Yeah, all right, Well, what we are going to be 1018 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:46.719 heading directly through on these live on these calls, I 1019 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:48.880 do want to remind everybody that you can send in 1020 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.320 your super chats and you can interact with any of 1021 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.079 these calls. Put in your two calls, your two cents 1022 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.960 on any of these. We would love to hear from 1023 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.800 the audience on these, So definitely send in those. And 1024 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.920 trust me, I definitely don't hate Guy Fieri with a passion. 1025 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.760 So if you want to, you know, don't, just don't 1026 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:08.159 mention Guy Fieri in your. 1027 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:09.119 In your figure. 1028 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.199 It's like a red button thing, like, don't mention that anyways. 1029 00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:17.599 Uh So we've got Marco, just one more thing. 1030 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:19.920 We will read your super chat so you can make 1031 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.960 it say all kinds of ridiculous things as long as 1032 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.800 it doesn't violate any of our rules, like we can't 1033 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.719 mention a living political figure things like that that would 1034 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.719 get us in trouble as a nonprofit organization. But if 1035 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.960 you want us to say ridiculous things like if you 1036 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.559 want to hear God bless engineers say he loves Guy Fieri, 1037 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:42.639 a big enough super chatt will gave him to do it. 1038 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.440 All right, So we got Marco calling in. 1039 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.159 It's definitely not one to talk about Guy Fieri, but 1040 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:53.519 is one to talk about God. 1041 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.519 What's up there, Marco? How you doing? 1042 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:56.679 Oh? 1043 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:57.119 I got it? 1044 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.000 Yes, I had to call in and I saw the 1045 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.079 title of your God is evil, and I just thought 1046 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:05.480 that was a most unbelievable title to ascribe to the 1047 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.159 to the God of the Bible. But as I was 1048 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.800 waiting to get on queue, I uh and do my 1049 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.199 little thing in there, which apparently have to do, I 1050 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.320 was cut off, and you didn't hear the tail end 1051 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.320 of the It wasn't even more. I was calling in 1052 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.480 about but the tail end of the conversation you're having 1053 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.079 with the lady there. I think you're a Matthew seventeen, 1054 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.360 and about the job title. And I just could not 1055 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.760 understand John and tittle. I could not understand how possibly 1056 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.000 that had anything to do with the God being evil? 1057 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:36.880 Like so what I wanted to just say all that 1058 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.239 I got the tail end of it. I caught, but 1059 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.039 I very clearly it's not a mystery if the Old 1060 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.480 Testament law, as Paul goes on to explain, was has 1061 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.639 been fulfilled and replaced by the grace and the law 1062 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:50.079 of Christ. 1063 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.519 Well so he Marco, Marco, Yeah, Marco, if I can 1064 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.320 ask when when I'm when you're out on the road 1065 00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:02.800 and you stay within the speed limit, are you fulfilling 1066 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:03.360 that law? 1067 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.559 When I stayed within the speed limit? Am I fulfilling 1068 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.199 the law, yes, of course. 1069 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.400 Yeah, yeah, Okay, So does does that go away once 1070 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:13.840 you like you fulfill it and everybody else can treat 1071 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.320 it like the autubon. 1072 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.880 You have again you said the god of the Bible. 1073 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.719 I'm telling you very clearly, as Paul points so, there 1074 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.519 has been a change of the grace has replaced the 1075 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.519 six hundred and thirteen laws that were obeyed in the 1076 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.920 Old Testament. I mean, we can't get any more clear 1077 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:32.239 than that. 1078 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.320 Right, So, Marco, how do you know what sin is 1079 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.440 if it's not the six hundred and thirteen commandments of 1080 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.119 the Old Testament, which honestly you're you're you're arguing between 1081 00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.639 Paul and Jesus. Jesus says that it doesn't go away, 1082 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.760 that it all applies, and so you're just you're pointing 1083 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:50.920 out an argument between Jesus and Paul. 1084 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.159 There, But no, because when I didn't, when I didn't, 1085 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:56.880 when I didn't shave this morning, I did not commit 1086 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.239 the breaking the law once O, when I shaved this morning, 1087 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.000 I didn't break the law that they would have broken 1088 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.639 if they did that. Okay, there's a whole rack. 1089 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.079 When you do shave, you do break the law and 1090 00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.199 you probably deserve hell because you shaved. 1091 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:16.519 No, no again, Now don't understand. Here's the thing you 1092 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.960 ask them being within the limit, and where do we 1093 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.920 see where sin is? Now, go to Galatians and list 1094 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.559 all the sins of the flesh there. It's they're all 1095 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:26.440 listed there, so it's no. 1096 00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.480 Yeah, so that's specifically sins of the flesh, which is fine. 1097 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:30.800 But what what do we what? 1098 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:32.800 What can you define sin for me? 1099 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:35.360 Go to Galatians? 1100 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.039 Listen, can you define what sin is for me? Not 1101 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.920 tell me what it like? What what's the the enumerated 1102 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.280 like this is a sin? That is a sin? Just 1103 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.440 what is the the concept sin? 1104 00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.840 What is it? I think we all know what sin is. 1105 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.960 It's breaking or not following the commandment of God. 1106 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.079 Okay, now where do we find the commands of God? 1107 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.199 We go and we go to the We're no longer 1108 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.199 in the Old Testament. We're in a New Testament. We're 1109 00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:03.760 not arguing. 1110 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:05.599 Okay, do you follow the ten commandments? 1111 00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.039 Yes, you follow the ten commandments, but not those. 1112 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:12.159 Are in the Old Testament. But Marco, those are Old 1113 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:13.880 Testament that you actually don't. 1114 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.960 And they're carried over, sir, into the New Testament and 1115 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:17.760 Paul addresses them. 1116 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:20.400 Where does it say that all of those are laws of. 1117 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.519 Following the rituals? The customs are in place anymore. This 1118 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:25.519 is not a mystery. 1119 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.760 So so where is that thing that hold on for 1120 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.480 the ten Commandments? You say it's only the ten Commandments. 1121 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.320 I don't see anywhere. Can you give me book chap 1122 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.559 reverse of where it specifically carves out the ten Commandments 1123 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.159 as being the super special ones. 1124 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.679 That's not what the issue was. You were saying that 1125 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:44.400 because of the fact that the John and Tittle he 1126 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.559 has fulfilled, but it's been replaced by. 1127 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.679 Their So do you have your Bible? 1128 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.800 I don't, but I have my phone. Go ahead, Okay, Well. 1129 00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:58.079 So sorry, I was just gonna I was going to 1130 00:59:58.159 --> 00:59:58.639 read it to you. 1131 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:06.159 It's Matthew matth It's mattheween. 1132 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.679 Through nineteen, Matthew five or seventeen through nineteen. 1133 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:14.000 Yeah, five, seventeen, nineteen, okay, yeah, So in that it 1134 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:19.480 specifically has a couple of eschatological statements in it, namely 1135 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.639 that heaven and Earth will pass away, right and then 1136 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.440 until all is accomplished. Now, Jesus hasn't actually accomplished everything 1137 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.199 that he says that he was going to right, because 1138 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:35.360 the accomplishing everything comes at in his second coming, right, 1139 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:36.880 because Jesus still has to come. 1140 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:37.920 Correct. 1141 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.440 Well, there's still an accomplishment that's going to be done 1142 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.320 to the millennium kingdom. Yes, that's correct. However, just to 1143 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.559 your point, okay, what you're asked, let me ask your 1144 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.440 question for you. In Galatians three, what Paul is saying 1145 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.039 is that the Old Testament law was like a guardian 1146 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.400 or tutor, and it's completely a temporary system that is 1147 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.320 in place until Christ arrived. Now Christ has come, we're 1148 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.480 no longership. We're justified by faith. That's a difference. 1149 01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.880 Let me ask you this, who should we take as 1150 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.760 the better source of authority, Jesus Christ or Paul. 1151 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.880 Paul had the encounter. 1152 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.920 It's not an answer to the question, which which do 1153 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:18.719 we are you saying that we take we should take 1154 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.039 Paul's word over Jesus's words as. 1155 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.880 The authority mistaken. No, all, I'm trying to point out, 1156 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:28.039 as you're mistaken. They're not arguing. There's nothing in conflict there. 1157 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.000 Paul has gone off and explain that with Christ we 1158 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.320 are a new Yes, but. 1159 01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:38.119 That's not what Jesus says. That's not what Jesus says. Literally, Jesus, 1160 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.159 Paul is in conflict with what Jesus says, and you 1161 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:45.400 can't make it knock because it's very very simple language. 1162 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.480 Like we get so, Mark, we can ask you a 1163 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.239 very simple question. Mark, we can ask you a very 1164 01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.320 simple question. Here, has heaven and earth passed away? 1165 01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.280 Heaven and earth has not passed away yet, and that 1166 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.519 will be at the end of the right. 1167 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.880 So heaven and earth has not passed away. So it 1168 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.920 seems according to Jesus himself in Matthew five seventeen to nineteen, 1169 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.400 that not a single job, not a stroke of a pen, 1170 01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.719 will disappear from the law, and then the until everything 1171 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.960 is accomplished is eschatological. This is a consensus among a 1172 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.519 Hebrew Bible or not sorry, not Hebrew Bible, but New 1173 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:26.239 Testament scholars that that's an eschatological statement about the second 1174 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:29.400 coming of Jesus. So Jesus here is laying out that 1175 01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:33.079 the that the Old Testament law is not going to disappear, 1176 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.639 that he did come to fulfill it, but he fulfilled 1177 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.519 it through like so that you can have salvation. So 1178 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.360 the only difference that's being pointed out here is that 1179 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:46.039 you no longer have to like stay in shield. Right, 1180 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.559 you can go on ahead and go to heaven because 1181 01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:52.360 He's provided you that salvation. That's the difference. Here's the 1182 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.800 that's a difference being made, not a difference. 1183 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.760 Serve guys, you're misunderstanding. And the Old Testament God has 1184 01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:00.440 said I will give you a new covenant, is already 1185 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.280 talking about a new covenant in the Old Testament. 1186 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.360 No, no, yes, yes, so so. But but but you're 1187 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.760 missing what the new covenant is. Sorry for I keep interrupting, 1188 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.239 But the new the new Covenant is not like changing 1189 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.880 all of the things that are that God considers the sin. 1190 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.920 The new Covenant is a way to attain salvation. Right, 1191 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.559 So Jesus provides that new covenant by being that that 1192 01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.599 sacrifice on the cross, so that all you need to 1193 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.400 do is believe in him. That's true, But that doesn't 1194 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.119 change the fact that the that the Old Testament commandments 1195 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.239 are still in effect. Those are the things that God 1196 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:36.400 considers to be sin. 1197 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:40.280 What you're missing here is that he doesn't consider it 1198 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.079 to be sin anymore. If you don't follow the you 1199 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.480 must shave, you must not put the statoo on your 1200 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:48.719 arm or whatever. Not what what does Jesus say that 1201 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.519 what you're completely missing is this is that we're just by. 1202 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:56.360 For example, when let me get I'll just tell you 1203 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:58.719 here with it, just just immute to the second if 1204 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:02.519 I can tell you. So, Paul summarizes what Jesus summarized 1205 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:06.159 in Galatians life. He basically says that in a single command, 1206 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:11.000 love your name as yourself, fulfill everything. And Jesus said 1207 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.719 to him, he said, what is the law of the prophets? 1208 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.079 What can it all be summarized? And Jesus said, love 1209 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.440 your neighbor as yourself, Love your God with all your heart. 1210 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.159 He's basically saying within that everything from the Old testamentause 1211 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:23.199 you can be summarized. 1212 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.519 No, no, no, that's not what it means. So so 1213 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:26.840 I let you talk. 1214 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.679 I let you talk there, Marco. So Marco, the the 1215 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.480 love your God with all your heart. Now it would 1216 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.719 it be very loving, like showing love to your God 1217 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.039 if you disobeyed, like the only set of commandments that 1218 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:40.719 He's given you. 1219 01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.719 Again, that's not what you were saying earlier. You were 1220 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.239 saying that it was something to do with the fact 1221 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.679 that God is evil. And then you went to Matthew 1222 01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:53.960 seventeen I'm just trying to tell you that, and you're 1223 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.679 not listening to this. What I'm trying to tell you 1224 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.119 is that, oh. 1225 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.400 You didn't fall, you didn't follow the conversation. Sorry, so 1226 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.199 the conversation just to bring you up today because he 1227 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:05.920 said you missed something, and I think this is kind 1228 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:12.239 of where where you and Ge are miscommunicating. So they eventually, 1229 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.079 when we got to finished, you know, kicking their teeth 1230 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:21.079 in with the Bible versus about slavery, they finally said, well, 1231 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.280 the Bibles, that's the Old Testament, not the Day Testament. 1232 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.760 So they changed the subject to Old Testament versus Due Testament, 1233 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.079 which is when Ge. 1234 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.199 Hit him in the face with Matthew seventeen through nineteen, 1235 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:36.800 which is still kicking you in the face because it's 1236 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.320 Jesus saying that, and you're still trying to say that 1237 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:46.159 Paul changes what Jesus said. Jesus is really really clear 1238 01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:47.239 about what he says here. 1239 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.519 No, Jesus himself said the entire law the profits can 1240 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.960 be summarized with the love of your neighbor as yourself. 1241 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:54.199 That's what it is. 1242 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:58.599 It all translates into that, Well, Paul is saying, what. 1243 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.400 Does Jesus being by What does Jesus mean by neighbor? 1244 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.320 That was a question asked of him. He said, who 1245 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:07.559 is my neighbor? And he gave the parable of the 1246 01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.320 Good Samaritan. That's your neighbor right there. 1247 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.079 So if you're supparsed to love your neighbor and your 1248 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.840 neighbor is equivalent of the good Samaritan, why does God 1249 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.760 also say that you can buy your slaves from the 1250 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:21.639 nations around you. That doesn't sound very loving. And then 1251 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.280 he says you can beat them, so you're beating foreigners. No, no, 1252 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:27.880 how does Jesus get away with saying that that love 1253 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.960 your neighbor as yourself is the summary of the Old Testament? 1254 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:35.480 Okay, First of all, slave in the Old Testament was 1255 01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:38.920 not something that God condoned or place in the world. 1256 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.039 He tolerated it like you tolerate a worse and a 1257 01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:44.960 lot of other things, and that lived back. 1258 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:46.480 Then do you want to bet? 1259 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:47.320 What? 1260 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:48.639 Then? Do you want to bet? 1261 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:52.119 So let's turn, let's open our bibles once again to 1262 01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.440 live at a guess twenty five forty four forty six. 1263 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:59.719 As for your male and your female slaves whom you 1264 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.639 who may have exactly in a world he can slavery, 1265 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:07.639 condone slavery. 1266 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.320 He didn't condonateside slavery. 1267 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:11.800 He said, you can have slaves. 1268 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:15.440 May I just speak for thirty seconds. He gave them 1269 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.960 rules to live by in a world that was way 1270 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:20.320 different and a world that had slavery it was going 1271 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.679 to be in place. He gave them such strict rules 1272 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.320 up and including to the point where the slave master 1273 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.519 could be put to death if he had done something. 1274 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:30.920 It was rules that the other nations will look. 1275 01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:33.480 Do you want that one? You want that chap and verse? 1276 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:35.360 Because I have it up to it's as long as 1277 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:37.960 that slave doesn't diets in three days now. 1278 01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:40.239 The point I'm telling you is that in the Old Testament, 1279 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.159 slavery was a reality. He didn't institute a God did 1280 01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.719 not create it. He tolerated. He gave them a set 1281 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:48.920 of rules that you were to follow when you're going 1282 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.920 to do it, you slaves, make it a master serve relationship, 1283 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.519 what have you? And it wasn't marketing. Treat love your 1284 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.800 neighbor as yourself. Obviously, you're not going to mistreat somebody 1285 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.000 to commandments love your neighbor as yourself. You're supposed to. 1286 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.880 Marco, can you help me understand something. Sure, go ahead, Okay, 1287 01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:11.840 So I get that you're you're trying to play at 1288 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.039 this apologetic of of God was simply thought, I'm trying 1289 01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.720 to give you guys slavery truth. Go ahead, okay. 1290 01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.600 So no, I I understand you're trying to give us 1291 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:24.840 your what you think is the truth, and you're but 1292 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.840 this is a common apologetic that God tolerated it. But 1293 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.199 I just want to explain from my perspective, and maybe 1294 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.840 you can explain to me like where I'm wrong. 1295 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:35.960 Possibly right. 1296 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.079 Uh, So this is my perspective whenever the God just 1297 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.920 tolerated slavery comes up. It's my understanding that the Christian 1298 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:48.199 God is defined by being omnipotent, omni benevolent, and omniscient, 1299 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.840 meaning that he knows that slavery is bad. He's omnipotent, 1300 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.319 so he has the power to change that, and he's omniscient. 1301 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.720 Uh let's see, omniscient, omnipotent, omni benevolent. So God is 1302 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.479 good all the time, and all the time God is good. Right, 1303 01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:04.640 So those are the three things that kind of define 1304 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:09.640 God in that particular aspect. So when we turnal, I'm 1305 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:13.119 sorry what he is, We're not. No, No, I get 1306 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.920 that's what I was describing. I was describing God. There, 1307 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.479 I was describing God. So that that's how God has 1308 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.039 described Now, when you tell me that God was merely 1309 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.880 tolerating slavery because that's just something that he couldn't affect, 1310 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.880 it seems like, you know, he made the choice to 1311 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.079 tolerate it because he had the ability to stop it. 1312 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.600 He's omnipotent, meaning that he had He's all powerful, so 1313 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:40.720 he could definitely stop it. But also he issues a 1314 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.479 number of very arbitrary commands in the six hundred and 1315 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:48.600 thirteen Commandments that are merely there just for his own 1316 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:49.720 personal whim, just. 1317 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:50.520 Because he likes it. 1318 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.960 Like there's we talked about the whole shaving of the 1319 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.920 face earlier, you know, cutting your beard, cutting your hair. 1320 01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.760 There's also having guard railings on top of your house, 1321 01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:02.000 don't eat shrimp, don't wear mixed fabrics. All of these 1322 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:07.439 things are like small, minor arbitrary things that God requires. 1323 01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:10.439 And you're trying to tell me that God would rather 1324 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.560 stroke his own ego for the first three commandments and 1325 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.479 his in his giant commandment list. The ones that survive 1326 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:21.640 to the New Testament that you yourself agreed are the 1327 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.439 ten commandments to follow are the only commandments to follow 1328 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:29.079 because you think that Jesus and Paul are on the 1329 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.920 same page with that. You're trying to tell me that 1330 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:35.640 one of the first three commandments that he issues couldn't 1331 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.159 have been don't own slaves. That's just out of his 1332 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:41.560 wheelhouse when he has don't wear mixed fabrics, don't have 1333 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:46.199 delicious seafood like you're telling me that that's just out 1334 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:47.479 of God's ability. 1335 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.880 No, because slavery in itself back then, like a master 1336 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:57.039 serve relationship. The slaves was dependent on the master. Both 1337 01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:59.159 of them needed to survive. They have to produce. 1338 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.239 No no, no, no, not dependent owns. They were owned. 1339 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:04.720 They were owned by the master. 1340 01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:10.079 Yes, but not just dependent. Children are dependent hold on marco. 1341 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:14.239 Children are dependent. Slaves are owned as property. 1342 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:19.800 In a world that had slavery back then, he tolerated 1343 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.439 it like he tolerated divorce until Jesus came and said 1344 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:25.479 no more divorce. Guys trying to judge THESS. 1345 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:26.760 So God is not omni. 1346 01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:29.960 He is and he also didn't come down when Ted 1347 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:31.359 Bunny was great emergency. 1348 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.520 If he's not, If he's why can't why can't he 1349 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:37.239 make rules? Has done own people free will to take 1350 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.640 what's in your mind? Why is it? 1351 01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.239 Why is it okay for your God to tell people 1352 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.199 to not eat shellfish, but he can't tell them not 1353 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:48.880 to own people. 1354 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.399 What I was just telling you the guy was he 1355 01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.239 asked me about his omnipotence, and the fact is that 1356 01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:58.119 in the free will world, he's not going to exercise 1357 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.159 that where he's going to restrict us. For no, no, no, 1358 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:00.640 no no. 1359 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.119 Free will doesn't get you out of the omnipotent problem, 1360 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:06.239 doesn't get you out of the problem of evil at all. 1361 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.079 So let me explain to you why free will doesn't 1362 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:12.199 get you out of this. Right. So, God, being omnipotent, 1363 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.279 could anytime evil is about to happen to somebody, however 1364 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:20.800 you care to define it, they automatically get teleported to 1365 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:23.359 a saferim where no evil can happen to them. God 1366 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:25.600 could have done that, and his omnipotence, God could have 1367 01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:28.640 created a world will where that happened. He failed to 1368 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:29.039 do so. 1369 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.840 The thing I wanted to give the example, if I 1370 01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:34.920 can just talk for thirty seconds, is, for example, when 1371 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.479 Ted Bunny is going to go and commit his horrible murders, 1372 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.600 that God doesn't come out of the sky and say 1373 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.960 some aunted No no, no, no, no. 1374 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.880 No, definitely no, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, we 1375 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.760 agree God should do that if he, if he was moral. 1376 01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:52.000 Here's the classic dilemma that no, no, here's so, look, 1377 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.880 I can actually respond to your when he can. I 1378 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:57.520 just you've been can I just for thirty seconds? If 1379 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.680 I can just say something, you're God will not come 1380 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.039 Now what was I going to say here? Because you 1381 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:05.800 keep interrupting, I don't have a chance to make the 1382 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.000 point over here. So the thing that you're going, uh, 1383 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:10.920 no you don't because I haven't made the point and 1384 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.600 I just lost my train of thought now because it's 1385 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:13.520 just so many interruptions. 1386 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:15.760 So your point is that let me let me give 1387 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:17.199 you your point because I know what it is, because 1388 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.159 I've been doing this for a really long time and 1389 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:22.600 your argument is nothing new. Okay, And you're going to 1390 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:24.720 say that Ted Bundy, God will not come out of 1391 01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.159 the sky and tell God tell Ted Bundy to stop 1392 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.439 doing that so to not go kill people. And God's 1393 01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.239 not going to do that because here's texts pretty well. 1394 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.439 No, no, here's the here's the point I want to make, 1395 01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:36.479 and one of the atheist dilemmas that you have is 1396 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.439 this God is tolerant and he allows things to go on. 1397 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.199 And then you say, why does he lets this to 1398 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:41.439 go on? 1399 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:41.960 Why does he? 1400 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.760 And then when he does judge and it's time for 1401 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.960 judgment and he and he renders the judgment, then you're like, 1402 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.000 oh my gosh, what a terrible God. How could he 1403 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.119 judge this? How could he do this? So on the 1404 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:55.119 one hand, he doesn't judge, he's bad. On the other hand, 1405 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.760 when he does judge and it's time to judge, he's bad. 1406 01:13:58.159 --> 01:13:59.119 So they can't be any of. 1407 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.680 Marco, let me, can I make it? I understand? I No, right, Marco, 1408 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:07.840 you made explain it's a numb one. 1409 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.840 But yeah, yeah, can I can I explain that that 1410 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.720 the judgment park where we're. 1411 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:14.680 Critical of God for the judgment. 1412 01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.960 Yes, okay, So the critical part when it comes to 1413 01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:25.119 the judgment of God is when he unnecessarily applies judgment 1414 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.560 to a certain demographic. 1415 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:32.960 So like I'm thinking, of course, first Amuel fifteen one 1416 01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:33.439 through three. 1417 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.520 But you know we've already mentioned that one. We could 1418 01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:37.880 go to numbers thirty one, seventeen to eighteen. 1419 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:38.920 Have you ever read that one? 1420 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:39.960 Yeah? 1421 01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.079 I read the whole Bible. I'm sure you. Why don't 1422 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:43.439 you I don't know what off I have? Why don't 1423 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.359 you start to say it? I all know exactly where 1424 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:46.560 it is or what you're talking about. 1425 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.680 Ahead right so here, I don't. I don't have it 1426 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.720 pulled up, but I can pull it up really quick 1427 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:57.640 for you. It's numbers thirty one, seventeen to eighteen. Now, 1428 01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.680 I know that a lot of times people want to 1429 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:03.199 hear context, so I'll give you the context. Essentially, the 1430 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.640 Israelites were race mixing with another group of people, and 1431 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:11.039 God didn't like that, and so God punished the Israelites 1432 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:13.880 with some kind of sexual thing like. 1433 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:15.039 A disease or something like that. 1434 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.039 And then later on God was still not happy enough 1435 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.800 happy with the outcome, so he has the Israelites, led 1436 01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:29.600 by Moses, go into the Midianites group of people and 1437 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.920 utterly destroy them, right, And it gets to the point where, 1438 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.680 like they don't utterly destroy everything in there. So Moses 1439 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.680 gets mad because that's not what God asked for. He 1440 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:43.560 asked for utter destruction, and so, further clarifying what God meant, 1441 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:47.159 Moses says, so, now kill all the boys as well 1442 01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:50.159 as every woman, who has known a man. But spare 1443 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:54.960 for yourselves every little girl who has not known a man. Right, 1444 01:15:55.159 --> 01:16:01.119 And God goes through painstaking detail of up these thirty 1445 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.359 two thousand girls that are taken to either become wives 1446 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.760 against their will, to either become wives against their will, 1447 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:11.960 or to become future wives still against their will, because 1448 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.079 they didn't ask for consent. And so when we talk 1449 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:19.600 about applying this judgment or we criticize God for applying judgment, 1450 01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:23.000 we're not talking about the general war that happens between 1451 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.920 groups of people at this time. Anthropologically, we can explain 1452 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.720 those things, but what we're talking about in these verses 1453 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:32.720 is very specifically, like why did God need all of 1454 01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:36.359 the little boys killed, like stabbed in the face, and 1455 01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.319 then also every woman stabbed in the face. 1456 01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:41.680 You know, that kind of makes it sound like God 1457 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:42.399 is saying. 1458 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.439 That women after they have known a man, after they've 1459 01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.159 slept with a man, are you know, just worthless. They're 1460 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.199 worthless pieces of rags or I believe it's chewed gum, 1461 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.119 is what some pastors say. And then the little boys, 1462 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:58.720 I mean, I can't imagine why you would go and 1463 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:02.720 stab little boys face. And then he talks about sex 1464 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.760 trafficking on a level that's far past Jeffrey Epstein in 1465 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:07.479 this situation. 1466 01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.399 So hold on, I mean my response because you made 1467 01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:12.520 your point about it. Can I just so you're talking 1468 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.079 about the verses in the Old Testament where he goes 1469 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.119 and destroy everybody, kill the babies and so on. So 1470 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:19.279 for that that what you're talking about for starters, and 1471 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:21.359 then the women that are left over here are to 1472 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:23.359 be wives. Okay, So first of all, if I could just. 1473 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.560 Read women little girls, hold on, hod just so that 1474 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.279 you're you understand they're little girls. So it's it's prepebescent 1475 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.119 and just after puberty. 1476 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.560 No, no, you're giving him marriage to thirteen fourteen, fifteen sixty, 1477 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.039 back then. 1478 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:37.479 Whatever it was. 1479 01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.800 But the point is this. The point is first of 1480 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.039 all to do with the killing of everything. First of all, 1481 01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:45.359 I'm gonna ask you a question, are you God? No? 1482 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.239 Am I God? No? Can you? 1483 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.880 I'm glad that you asked the question and then answered 1484 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:51.239 for me, because you don't know me. 1485 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:52.399 I could be God. 1486 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:57.720 Okay, well you'd be a lunatic in most institutions. 1487 01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:58.680 Is how do you know why? 1488 01:17:58.760 --> 01:17:59.600 On second institution? 1489 01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:01.079 Sorry, I don't I don't want to get off on 1490 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:03.880 that okay, most I agree. 1491 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:08.960 I am not your guy, okay, okay, so okay, So 1492 01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:12.239 therefore you cannot since you didn't create it. You can 1493 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:14.279 kill something if you want to, or raise it back 1494 01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:15.720 up again. That's the first thing. 1495 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:17.279 Now, this is a disgusting line of. 1496 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:26.399 Yeah, you are defending selling bore, putting prefabescent girls only 1497 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.439 out of a population into sex slavery. That's what you're defending. 1498 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.279 If I could just just one second of here, So 1499 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.119 he kills all of the males and all the leney 1500 01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.239 she does, and the reason is is because it would 1501 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:39.880 be a bloodsuity will continue to go on to the 1502 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:40.560 next generation. 1503 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.760 So, first of all, one clarifying note, he commands that 1504 01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.720 the Israelites do the killing. So essentially it would be 1505 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.760 as if God were commanding you to stab a baby 1506 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.439 in the face. So Marco, if God came down and 1507 01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.359 told you that you needed to stab a baby in 1508 01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:56.359 the face, would you do it? 1509 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.600 Goes down into shield. He preaches the Gospel, all the 1510 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.960 Old Testament people there, including I don't think, and he 1511 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:06.640 leads captivity cap thinks. 1512 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:11.720 Question again. He's preaching the Bible down again. He's not 1513 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.600 wanting answer to questions. Are you answer the questions question. 1514 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.520 But I just did. I said God can take life, 1515 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:20.279 he can also resurrect life. 1516 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.159 Marco, do you know what question I asked you? 1517 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:27.399 I first we set up killing the boys, then we 1518 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.279 went to the to the girl. So once those girls. 1519 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.800 Okay, so yeah, you were you were talking, you were 1520 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:35.760 allowing attention to me My question. 1521 01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:42.439 Marke wives market mark given in wedlock to the youth. 1522 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.199 Okay, You're just you're You're not even respecting the fact 1523 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.960 that I'm trying to talk and ask you a question. 1524 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:48.720 So I've muted you. 1525 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.479 Marca, all right, now My question is if you if 1526 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:58.239 God unequivocally came to you right now stood in. Let's 1527 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:59.319 say you're in your living room. 1528 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.960 I don't know. Let's say Jesus himself comes down as 1529 01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:04.079 God as yahweh. 1530 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:08.279 However, you consider him and you unequivocally know that it's 1531 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.000 Jesus slash God, and he tells you, I want you 1532 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.279 to go next door and unlive everybody in that house, 1533 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.239 including the little baby boy that's there. I want you 1534 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:20.840 to stab that little baby boy in the face, and 1535 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:22.680 I want you to stab his mom in the face, 1536 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.640 and the dad I want you to kill, and then 1537 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.319 I want you to take that pewbstent thirteen year old 1538 01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:32.119 child into your home so that you can then marry 1539 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.760 her later. If God came down and told you that, 1540 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.039 would you actually go and do that without questioning God. 1541 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:42.760 I'm gonna unmute you now so that you can answer. 1542 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.039 But I want you to answer that question, and. 1543 01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.840 He creates the rock thing. Hello, what? 1544 01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:48.199 Oh? 1545 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:48.920 You cut me off? 1546 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:49.600 Did you? 1547 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:50.960 Did you you hang up on me? 1548 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:51.439 No? 1549 01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:54.359 No, No, you were muted and I was asking you 1550 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:56.359 a question. Did you hear the question or were you 1551 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:57.479 talking the entire time? 1552 01:20:58.079 --> 01:20:58.199 Oh? 1553 01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.560 I heard the question. I want can you very sparsely 1554 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:05.439 hear Okay, that's one way to sell it. What's the 1555 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:08.119 answer to my question? The answer to your question? Is 1556 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:10.319 it like asking a question can create a rock? That's 1557 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:14.319 every m The question is completely irrelevant. It's completely irrelevant. 1558 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:16.439 We're talking about I don't. 1559 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:18.840 Know if I'm asking you if God asked you to 1560 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:20.640 stab a baby in the face, would you do it? 1561 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:21.439 That's my question. 1562 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:26.159 He wouldn't ask me to do that. That we're no 1563 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:29.279 longer living under the possibility of feuding with our clients 1564 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.560 next door where there's going to be a blood. 1565 01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:34.359 He asked Abraham to do that very thing. 1566 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:39.279 Andy's daughter was also sacrificed as well. 1567 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.279 So don't say he wouldn't do that, because he's done 1568 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:42.800 it twice. 1569 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.960 No talking about I'm not going to get a God's 1570 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:47.479 not going to visit me telling me to go stab 1571 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:48.319 somebody in the face. 1572 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:51.439 Oh do you know do you know the mind of God? 1573 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:53.000 Yes? 1574 01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:53.319 I do. 1575 01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:56.560 Oh, that's weird because the Bible says that nobody knows 1576 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.479 the mind of God. So which one's right? You were 1577 01:21:58.840 --> 01:21:59.319 the Bible? 1578 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:01.560 Well, when you say the mind of God, I go 1579 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:04.119 to Scripture to get the mind of God. That's what 1580 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.000 I mean. So we can answer anything. 1581 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:07.079 I get that. 1582 01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:09.840 But you have to understand I go to Scripture and 1583 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:12.520 I see that the mind of God is it's definitely 1584 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.880 in his willhouse to ask people to stab babies in 1585 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.039 the face and to rate fourteen year old children. 1586 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:20.760 So and like, here's the thing, here's the thing. They're 1587 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.359 now in heaven because Jesus went and preached all the 1588 01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:25.840 captives of the Old Testament. 1589 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:29.319 He lets you keep making it worse. He just keep 1590 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:33.199 making it worse. Don't You're you're. 1591 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:39.520 Still defending God des sending pre pubescent girls into sexual slavery. 1592 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:41.880 They're not being heaven jlavery. 1593 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:43.720 They're not going to sexual slavery. 1594 01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.319 Yes they are, that's what slavery is. They can't they 1595 01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:49.439 can't deny their mastery, the use of their bodies. 1596 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:53.279 But who's talking about sexual slavery. They're given to as wives. 1597 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:57.720 There's no as slaves. We've already covered this. There's no 1598 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.600 such word. There's no language in there versus for wife. 1599 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:01.960 They are given as slaves. 1600 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.199 Yeah, there's there's literally no word in the Hebrew language 1601 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:07.039 for wife. 1602 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:09.279 And given as wives. You see, you're given as wife 1603 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:10.760 so God can take life. 1604 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.880 Okay, no, but but if you're so, hold on, Marco, 1605 01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.239 I'm just wondering, do you have a functional understanding of consent? 1606 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:23.680 Yes, of course, I have a conceptual understanding of consent. 1607 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:27.039 No, no, no, but but okay, okay, I'm glad that 1608 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:27.800 you think you do. 1609 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:32.720 But when we talk about slaves like the girls, and 1610 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.600 in number thirty one, the girls have their family slaughtered 1611 01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:37.960 in front of them, and they are taken by an 1612 01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.720 invading force and they are divvied up amongst the Israelite 1613 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:46.119 men to be made into wives, do you see that 1614 01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:47.479 as a violation of consent. 1615 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:50.640 No, you're going to be given into. 1616 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:52.640 That's fucking scary mark. 1617 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:55.720 As a single a woman, it's not like a woman 1618 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:58.720 of the eighties and independent woman. You can't survive without 1619 01:23:58.760 --> 01:23:59.880 a husband. Back then, you don't. 1620 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:04.319 So it's okay to rape women. You need sons or 1621 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:06.039 you need to have to rape women. 1622 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.079 Yeah, he's he's once again defending slavery and into the wives. 1623 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.399 They're going to be No, there's certain rules you're going 1624 01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:14.960 to have to respect, how you treat them. They're going 1625 01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:15.840 to be provided for. 1626 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.119 They're not changed the fact they cannot say no to sacks. 1627 01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:21.119 It does not change the fact they cannot say no 1628 01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:24.520 to being married. That's the definition of a slave. 1629 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.840 World was married, everybody exactly. You're married back then, so 1630 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:31.560 answervive without being married. So outside of marriage, you can't survive. 1631 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:32.359 It just doesn't work. 1632 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.039 You need Okay, I'm glad that you're bringing this up there, Marco, 1633 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:36.880 because can I can I read some scripture to you? 1634 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:42.000 Well, go ahead, sure, okay, so but wait, wait, wait, 1635 01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:44.319 you didn't answer my question. First, you didn't ask my question, 1636 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.279 if God, what was your create? Does he have the 1637 01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:51.079 ability to take life? And he can also resurrect it again. 1638 01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:53.920 If he can do that and you can't. 1639 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.560 All right, that has nothing to do. 1640 01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.479 With more, has nothing to do with our conversation, nothing 1641 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:00.840 to do with our conversation. 1642 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.560 If he can take life, no. 1643 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:07.359 Hold on market. 1644 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:10.600 Let me answer your question, I feel Let me let 1645 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:12.279 me see if I totally understand your question. 1646 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:12.520 Here. 1647 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:16.279 You're saying that is it okay for God to take life. 1648 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:18.000 Everybody? 1649 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:20.800 Because I have the ability to take life, Jim has 1650 01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:22.920 the ability to take life. We all have the ability 1651 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:25.720 to end somebody's life. So God is not special in 1652 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:26.279 that respect. 1653 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.880 But you're saying that God, you resurrect that. 1654 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:33.039 Maybe you believe that you are God, like you said earlier, 1655 01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:34.880 maybe you do have some sort of mental deficiency. 1656 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:37.720 It has to do with the moral points for making 1657 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.840 or or it has only do with the moral points for. 1658 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:43.640 Making that point is made. You won't answer my question. 1659 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:45.239 You just said I can take life like God. 1660 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.960 Okay, I'm trying to clarify. I'm trying to clarify the 1661 01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:52.760 question mark so I can answer you. I'm sorry, I'm 1662 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:54.640 hitting a little bit hard. 1663 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:56.119 Can you resurrect that life? 1664 01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:56.239 Sir? 1665 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:58.279 Can you resurrect that life? Tell me? No? 1666 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.399 No, Well, well, I mean maybe possibly, depending. 1667 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.720 Going on for generation to generation. I handed it right 1668 01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:07.399 there and there can you Now. 1669 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:11.720 He's he's on stuff that is completely irrelevant to the 1670 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.279 question of morals. Whether we could take a resurrect life 1671 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.439 doesn't mean anything, and he's basically saying we're all close 1672 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:19.359 of God, and God can trude us however you want. 1673 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.439 You are God, you take life. Can you resurrect life? 1674 01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:26.159 Do you want to answer my question? Because he knows? 1675 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.560 No, No, No, I'm trying, Marco, got Jesus fucking Christ, Marco, 1676 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.000 I'm trying to answer your goddamn question, but you won't 1677 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:35.520 fucking shut up enough for me to ask the clarifying 1678 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:39.119 question so that you can give me Mark Marco, your. 1679 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:41.680 Partner interrupted, You're not me, sir. He interrupted you and 1680 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:42.079 came in. 1681 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.439 I just asked, no, no, you have not stopped talking. 1682 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.239 You have not stopped crashing out. 1683 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.720 So I don't think that God, like whether or not 1684 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:54.880 you create a life, does not give you the the 1685 01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:58.760 the right to take a life. I don't think that 1686 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.279 anybody has the right to take a life. 1687 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:01.520 I have. 1688 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:05.119 I think that they have the ability to take a life, right, So, 1689 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:06.840 I mean, there's an answer to your. 1690 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.039 Question, I would say, no, he doesn't have a right 1691 01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:12.600 to do it. See, you're still you're taking Jesus Christ 1692 01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.880 are we? Is this our show, Marco? Or is this 1693 01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:16.560 your show? 1694 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.399 Well, it's your show, and you really don't want to 1695 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:24.239 answer a question. Want to ask you something like, for example. 1696 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.560 I answered your question. Both of us answered your question. 1697 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.840 I don't you and I don't have both answered your question. 1698 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.960 We're not God and we can't resurrect it now to 1699 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:33.600 answer what I really called in a boat in the 1700 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:35.479 first place, because we were off on the John Tittle 1701 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:38.000 was the God of the Bible being evil as a 1702 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:38.760 ridiculous thing? 1703 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.560 Have you okay, I'm sorry, I'm you to j you, Marco. 1704 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:44.319 You're not just going to automatically pivot to the thing 1705 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:48.640 that you originally called in about when you spent thirty 1706 01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:53.039 minutes like diverting off of apparently what you originally called 1707 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:55.039 in about. The one thing that I want to say 1708 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.039 to you, Marco before we let you go, because we 1709 01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:01.079 do have other callers to get to, is I want 1710 01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:05.039 to point you towards Deuteronomy twenty one, starting in verse ten, 1711 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:08.439 because this plays upon your whole idea that women were 1712 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.920 taken care of after being taken as a war bride. Okay, 1713 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.359 And it says when you go to war against your 1714 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.920 enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your 1715 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.079 hand and you take them captive. If you see a 1716 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.239 beautiful woman among them, and you desire her and want 1717 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:23.920 to take her as a wife, then you shall bring 1718 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.439 her into your house. She shall shave her head, trimmer nails, 1719 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:31.680 and put aside her clothing for captivity. After she has 1720 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.600 lived in your house for a full month more and 1721 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.640 to father and mother, then you may go into her, 1722 01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:41.079 which means put penis to vagina, just in case you're curious, 1723 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:45.079 may go into her, and then you are considered her 1724 01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.760 husband and she is your wife. That's how you marry 1725 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:51.079 these war brides, as you rape them. It's describing rape 1726 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:54.479 in that situation. And if you are not pleased with her, 1727 01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:56.640 this is the key part. If you're not pleased with her, 1728 01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.920 then you are to let her go wherever she wishes, 1729 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:01.399 but you must not sell her for mone of your 1730 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.479 traders as a slave, since you have dishonored her. The 1731 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:06.439 dishonored her part is specifically talking about how you have 1732 01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:09.840 raped her and even taken away her value. So your 1733 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:13.199 whole idea that these thirty two thousand little girls in 1734 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:16.520 numbers thirty one we're going to be taken care of, 1735 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.520 and this was somehow God's way of ensuring that they 1736 01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:22.319 would have been taken care of. That's just simply not 1737 01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:25.640 the case when in God's own rule book here it 1738 01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:29.279 has a provision for these warring men to take these 1739 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:33.319 thirty two thousand girls, rape them after a month of 1740 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:37.199 keeping them in the house, and then just discarding them 1741 01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:41.159 like a used rag. Okay, so, no, you don't know 1742 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.079 your Bible, you don't know what you're talking about, and 1743 01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:46.600 you know what I've reconsidered. I don't think I'm gonna 1744 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.199 let you come back on any final thoughts there, Jim. 1745 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.000 No, Okay, well, I would like to point out numbers 1746 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:59.039 thirty six through sixteen. I won't read it, but basically, 1747 01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:03.039 to sum up, if a woman before she marries makes 1748 01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:06.560 a vow, makes a promise, or obligates herself to something 1749 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.479 in any way, her husband gets to forbid it and 1750 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:13.960 say no, you can't do that. That is also slavery 1751 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:18.800 and Marco, I'm sorry you're defending slavery and rape. 1752 01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:24.680 Yep, I'd suggest doing some introspection about that. 1753 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:26.920 Anyways, see you later, Marco. 1754 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:29.960 We've got a lot of calls, and so I just 1755 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.560 I needed to get we need to get moving through 1756 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:34.520 these so that we can get done with them in time. 1757 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.760 This next call, though, I really want to take a 1758 01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.960 back seat because I've talked to this person like two 1759 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.560 times now in the past few days, and I just 1760 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:49.159 I want to see Jim talk to him for maybe five. 1761 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:49.720 Or ten minutes. 1762 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:54.359 Oh no, is this a philbro H? 1763 01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:57.199 No, it's definitely not a philbro all right, all right, 1764 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:00.920 So next up, we've got Popo call then from Puerto Rico. 1765 01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:03.479 What's up there, Papa? How you doing? 1766 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:05.199 How are you doing? 1767 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:08.439 How you doing good? Doing good? 1768 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:09.039 Doing good? 1769 01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:10.119 What's your proof for God? 1770 01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:15.760 Okay, my proof for God is the following. But you 1771 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:20.439 have to be humble because it's a radical proof and 1772 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:25.960 all the oil humility. You can show you the evidence 1773 01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:29.439 because it will change your life. And with something so 1774 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:31.199 radical that will change your. 1775 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:35.000 Life, we don't need the preamble. Make your argument. We 1776 01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:36.960 don't need your preamble. Make your argument. 1777 01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:40.640 I know people step back because of that. Okay, the 1778 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:47.479 argument is the following the University script agent. Therefore, if 1779 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:51.359 the university, stump digent and necessary be axis. 1780 01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:57.079 Why do you lie to me? Let me deal with 1781 01:31:57.199 --> 01:31:59.840 your contingency. The only, the only non contingent thing that 1782 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.760 he can prove exists is energy. Everything is dependent on energy. 1783 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:06.640 No, no, I promise you he's not. 1784 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:20.439 He's Oh, oh okay, he's a filbro egg, got it. Yeah, So, 1785 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:22.399 if you're going to if you're going, if you're going 1786 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:22.960 to say, and. 1787 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:25.680 If I agree to the sake of argument, that contingent 1788 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:30.439 things actually exist, everything depends on is contingent on energy, 1789 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.920 because because energy can either be treated nor destroyed, I 1790 01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.159 don't need anything but energy. I don't need your God, 1791 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.960 and I can prove energy exists. So if you're going 1792 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.840 to claim that your God is that everything is contingent 1793 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.920 on your God, you first have to prove your God exists, 1794 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:49.279 which you can't do by simply saying my God exists, 1795 01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:52.279 which is exactly what your argument is. Right, because I'm 1796 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.600 encountering your argument with it's energy is all I need 1797 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.000 as a contingent thing? 1798 01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:01.319 No, no, no, no, no no, can you steal man 1799 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.119 my argument? What I just said? 1800 01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:07.640 Yeah, it's a standard argument from contingency, right, what is it? 1801 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:10.680 Everything is contingent on something, That something is God. 1802 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:11.920 That is your argument. 1803 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.119 Oh no, that's not my argument. 1804 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.359 Yes, yes it is. I know this argument better than you. 1805 01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:22.600 Okay, then you are not answering my argument. You are 1806 01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:23.840 answering something else. 1807 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.840 No, I'm not. You were saying there is Your argument 1808 01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.359 is that there is something that is contingent. Everything is 1809 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:33.960 contingent on the non contingent incondingent fact. 1810 01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:37.520 Right, Oh, that's not my argument. 1811 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:41.039 Everything that. 1812 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:45.079 Sorry, I was just going to try to clarify. 1813 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:49.880 So what Papo or also known as Felix here says 1814 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:56.279 is that the universe is contingent and therefore direct, necessary 1815 01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:56.920 being direct. 1816 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.359 So he's I don't agreeing with that. 1817 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:01.840 I'm sorry, there's no necessary thing being. 1818 01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:05.079 I'm saying that energy is the necessary thing, and I 1819 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:06.560 can prove energy exists. 1820 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:10.600 Prove prove energies a necessary being or reality. 1821 01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:13.439 I'm saying there's no such thing as a necessary being. 1822 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:16.399 You're saying there's a necessary thing, and you are just 1823 01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:19.560 waving your hands saying it's a being, and I'm saying, no. 1824 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.680 You got to prove it's a being. I can prove 1825 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:25.039 it's perfectly natural. I can prove that energy exists. I 1826 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:27.680 can prove that it can't be created or destroyed. 1827 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:31.079 And I can prove that the entire universe depends on energy, 1828 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:36.079 is contingent on energy existing. So you can't prove that 1829 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:40.279 God exists. You can't even improve rely upon energy. 1830 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:43.720 Prove that energy is when the universe relies. 1831 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:45.359 On equals mc squared. 1832 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:47.439 Oh, prove that energy? 1833 01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:48.479 I just did. 1834 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:51.399 E equals mc squared. 1835 01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:53.279 So how that proves it? 1836 01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:57.680 Because it's a basic law of physics. So this is 1837 01:34:57.760 --> 01:34:59.920 physics one on one dude. You should have learned about 1838 01:34:59.920 --> 01:35:02.199 the equals mc squared in high school? 1839 01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.560 So how does that prove that energy necessary? 1840 01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:10.119 Energy is the necessary thing because matter andevery this entire 1841 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:11.159 universe depends on it. 1842 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.279 So are you saying that, yes, always existed. 1843 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:18.000 As far as we know, energy cannot be created or destroyed. 1844 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:22.159 This is the first law thermodynamics? Again physics, So. 1845 01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:22.960 Yes or no? 1846 01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:25.760 Are you saying that energy, yesholes existed? 1847 01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:26.680 Yes? 1848 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:31.439 I just said that, and the first law thermodynamics says that. Okay, 1849 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:35.159 prove it the first law thermo dynamics. You want me 1850 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:38.880 to improve basic physics, I can do that. I would 1851 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:41.520 rather send you to a whole bunch of physics lectures 1852 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:43.920 on YouTube, so you can go study the first law 1853 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:45.039 of thermodynamics. 1854 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:48.880 But the first law of thermodynamics is a fact, hence 1855 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:52.960 the word law. Okay, then you agree with me. 1856 01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.239 No, I don't, because the firstlow was created in the 1857 01:35:59.359 --> 01:35:59.880 Big Bang. 1858 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:05.159 No, you got to prove that the law of thermodynamics 1859 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:09.039 do not depend on the Big Bang. Neither does energy, right, 1860 01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.560 because energy existed well and in the sense that we 1861 01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:15.399 can say before it makes any kind of sense. 1862 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.760 When we're talking about before the Big Bang. And it 1863 01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:21.159 also depends on your view of time, which we also 1864 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:23.319 don't know, So we don't know if time began in 1865 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:26.199 the Big Bang or if time existed before. 1866 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.399 These are all questions that physics has to determine. 1867 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:34.119 However, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, which means your 1868 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:35.640 God can't create it either. 1869 01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:39.279 Okay, I'm going to prove it that the first law 1870 01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:44.640 was created in the Big Bang. The first law existed 1871 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:46.640 after or before. 1872 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:50.000 The Big Bang before because energy existed before the Big Bang. 1873 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:51.600 Okay, prove it. 1874 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.119 I just did first law thermodynamics. 1875 01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:56.520 So. 1876 01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:01.199 Popoo papo. 1877 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:01.880 Uh. 1878 01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:06.239 So the proof the proof for that is the fact 1879 01:37:06.279 --> 01:37:10.960 that we do not experience energy being destroyed. Right, we 1880 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:15.119 cannot actually destroy energy. We've never seen energy be destroyed, 1881 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:21.560 so it only transforms in form. Right, That's what the 1882 01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:25.239 inflation of the universe. It was a transformation of energy. 1883 01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:31.439 It went from potential energy transforming into the inflation event. 1884 01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:33.920 And there's several different ways in which that could have happened. 1885 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:37.920 So if you if you can disprove the first law 1886 01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:42.479 of thermodynamics, then then it's incumbent upon you to provide 1887 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:43.039 that proof. 1888 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:47.600 Otherwise we have to go with what we currently know. 1889 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.520 And what we know is that energy cannot be destroyed 1890 01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:54.560 nor created, so that that is the that is the 1891 01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:58.800 establish thing. That's what's been established with proof already, all right, 1892 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:02.119 So if you have have something contrary to that, then 1893 01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:03.640 you can give that to us. 1894 01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:06.319 Okay, I'm going to prove it. 1895 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:12.119 The love termo dynamics came into being with the Big Bang, Mumpy. 1896 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.880 That's a claim that prove your clim No, it. 1897 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:20.880 Didn't exist before. Prove that it didn't exit before the 1898 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:22.239 big bank exploded. 1899 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:25.640 Prove you're you've tripled down saying the same thing over 1900 01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:28.520 and over again and you haven't bothered to prove it. Now, 1901 01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:30.760 when it comes to the first law, thromerynamics. I can 1902 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.880 read you the entire Wikipedia page if you really want 1903 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:34.520 me to to prove my point. 1904 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:35.399 But you have. 1905 01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:38.960 But you saying that the first law thermodynamics only did 1906 01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:41.439 not exist before the beginning of the universe doesn't make 1907 01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:45.760 any sense because you can't back that up. Energy existed 1908 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:50.319 before the The energy can't be created or destroyed in 1909 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:52.840 order for the first law of thermodynamics to not exist 1910 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:55.880 before the universe. That means energy had to be created, 1911 01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:59.920 and we know it wasn't. This is an obvious point. 1912 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.359 Before he'd exploded. 1913 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:07.319 There was no So the fact that so first of all, 1914 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:08.760 the fact that it exploded proves it. 1915 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:09.159 Energy. 1916 01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:12.239 This said before the Big Bang. Otherwise there's nothing to do, 1917 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:16.199 nothing to explode, there's nothing to go bang prove it. 1918 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:19.920 The Big Bang proves it. Do you really want proof 1919 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:21.239 of the Big Bank? Because I can give you the 1920 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:24.159 proof that's right out of a Christian's book. Oh that's 1921 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:24.680 a claim. 1922 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:29.600 You're saying that energy was acuse prove energy was the cross. 1923 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:35.199 Of the Big Bang? Sure equals MC squared. Oh, prove it. 1924 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:36.800 I just did. 1925 01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:39.399 I did have. I don't have to prove it because 1926 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:42.439 Einstein did when he said he equals mc squared. That's 1927 01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:46.199 the proof. Do you know do you know what. 1928 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:48.199 Represents? 1929 01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:52.520 Bang, Papo popo, do you know what E equals mc 1930 01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:53.600 squared represents? 1931 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:59.479 Don't tell me, Oh Jesus Christ, you're trying to argue physics, 1932 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:01.560 and he don't even know what the equals mc squared is. 1933 01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:03.119 I don't know. 1934 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:10.520 Energy equals mass times square the speed of light meaning energy. 1935 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:12.119 At the same time, I. 1936 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:14.640 Just did, you can convert. 1937 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:20.520 Hold on, So, Papa, Papa, you can convert between energy 1938 01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.760 and matter. You can represent like mass matter, all of 1939 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:28.319 that as energy. And so that equation allows you to 1940 01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:31.960 do that. And so that's why why we're saying that 1941 01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:35.960 we've proven it with E equals mc squared, because for 1942 01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:40.000 the big for the inflation of the universe, that energy 1943 01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:43.399 is transformed into the matter that we have today, and 1944 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:48.000 that we can understand that transformation through that particular formula, 1945 01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.199 and so like what we would need from you something 1946 01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:56.159 that disproves that. But you know, Papa, I could already 1947 01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:58.119 tell that we're we're kind of up ship Creek with 1948 01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:00.239 a single paddle here, and we're just gonna be going 1949 01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:04.600 around in circles. So I wanted Jim to experience, you know, 1950 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:07.479 your argument on his own for a bit. 1951 01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:09.560 But there was no argument. I mean, it was just 1952 01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:13.880 a contingency argument. And then he doesn't even understand physics 1953 01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:15.119 well enough to. 1954 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:21.119 Actually have an intelligent conversation about anything. 1955 01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:24.640 I mean, prove the first law of throno dynamics. I'm 1956 01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:26.600 not a physics teacher, but I can read you the 1957 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:29.560 Wikipedia page, I can refer to you a whole bunch 1958 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.039 of really good YouTube videos that I'll explain it to you. 1959 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.079 But the first law of throne dynamics is pretty well 1960 01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:39.239 settled physics. It's just true because of all of the 1961 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:42.279 evidence that supports it. And you're just going uh uh, 1962 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:45.239 and you have no other argument. You can't even support 1963 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:48.960 the argument that the contingent thing is a being. You're 1964 01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:52.399 just waving your hands, going it's a being and you 1965 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:53.119 can't even. 1966 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:54.199 Prove that reality. 1967 01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:59.960 Yeah, yeah, I am done. 1968 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:05.159 With Okay, you cannot prove anything, and he doesn't understand 1969 01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:07.279 physics fall enough to have an intelligent conversation. 1970 01:42:07.920 --> 01:42:12.159 Yep, So Popo, I'm gonna yep see you little. 1971 01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:15.960 Paper all right for that? Gee, I owe you for this, 1972 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:16.560 by the way. 1973 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:28.920 Okay, so I've got about thirty minutes left here, we're 1974 01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:31.119 going to try to get through these last few callers 1975 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:33.680 that we've got. I definitely want to try to get 1976 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:37.159 to everybody that we can. So the next person we 1977 01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:41.479 have is Jace from from Ohio. There, Hey there, Jase, 1978 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:43.800 how you doing yeh, I'm doing pretty good. 1979 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:45.840 How you guys doing doing? 1980 01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:46.239 All right? 1981 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.439 So you're saying that aliens are proof of God, and 1982 01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:53.640 I'm just kind of curious how you square that square 1983 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:54.199 that issue? 1984 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:58.199 Yeah, absolutely so if you don't mind saying, give you 1985 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:02.560 my own backstory to how I found Christ through aliens? 1986 01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:03.319 That's okay. 1987 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.439 Well, first of all, I don't really want to hear 1988 01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:09.359 a story. We don't have time. Uh can you prove 1989 01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:13.920 that aliens exist? Can I prove that they exist? 1990 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:17.520 Well? 1991 01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:20.159 Going to my story? 1992 01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:23.439 Okay, about my experience, Okay, it. 1993 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:27.960 Led me to, Uh, can we get a two minute timer? Please? 1994 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:30.520 Hold on, hold on, hold hold your horses there, We're 1995 01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:31.000 gonna get put. 1996 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:33.079 We're gonna give you two minutes to give me your backstory, 1997 01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:35.880 and then if you haven't gotten to the argument that 1998 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:36.840 aliens prove. 1999 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:38.319 God, we're just going to cut you off and go 2000 01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:39.960 to the next callar. All right, you have two minutes. 2001 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:42.319 Can we get that two minute timer up there? It 2002 01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.079 is go all right? 2003 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:50.039 Well, I was always into aliens and all that. When 2004 01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:52.119 I was like five years old the Indian hockey, I 2005 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:57.079 got into the reptilian crazy stuff. So I had to 2006 01:43:57.199 --> 01:44:01.560 I had to experience on my bed, close my eyes 2007 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:03.520 opened them. They're all around me. I cried out for 2008 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:10.800 Jesus Christ. They left, came across kill Jordan, a UFO researcher. 2009 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:14.880 He investigated these stories of. 2010 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:18.880 You being adducted, same situation I had. He became a 2011 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:23.119 Christian to that. If you want to look in the Bible, 2012 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:25.439 a lot of people, you know, a lot of people 2013 01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:29.399 you know, claim the aliens are. 2014 01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:31.239 In the Bible or whatever. 2015 01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:34.960 Ancient religions all that document. 2016 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:35.720 These beings in the sky. 2017 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.600 We have them today. You see the White House consistently. 2018 01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:42.760 You're done, all right, that's it. Your argument is that 2019 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:45.960 you had an experience you interpreted as aliens all around you. 2020 01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:49.319 You cried out to Jesus Christ, and poof, they were gone. Yeah, 2021 01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:52.199 So can you please explain to me, give me any 2022 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:55.319 evidence that your experience was actually real and not just 2023 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:56.880 a figment of your imagination. 2024 01:44:57.439 --> 01:44:59.680 Yeah, I mean I was fully conscious the entire time. 2025 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:02.880 Yeah, people who are dreaming are often claimed to be 2026 01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:05.239 fully conscious. Can you please give me any evidence that 2027 01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:06.239 it would actually happened. 2028 01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:09.840 Well, I remember that time and day that it happened. 2029 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:11.359 It happened on July sixteenth. 2030 01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:13.920 Yeah, people who listen say the same thing. Can you 2031 01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:15.439 give me any evidence that it happened? 2032 01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:16.680 What is it? 2033 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:22.159 Yes? This is all common bs that people give to 2034 01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:25.399 try and prove that something happened, and none of it 2035 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:27.680 it makes any difference because people who listen it will 2036 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.159 do the same thing. Right, So I'm not saying you're hallucinading. 2037 01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:32.479 I'm just using that as an example. 2038 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:35.279 I didn't know what your personal experience was, but I'm 2039 01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:38.000 looking for some type of evidence that your personal experience 2040 01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:38.960 actually happened. 2041 01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:40.800 And it's not just you interpreting events. 2042 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:47.039 Okay, I mean I know I was fully conscious. I 2043 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:49.119 mean it'sout like Telly as the story. I guess you know, 2044 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:51.279 I can't really give you the entire background though, you know, 2045 01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:51.960 I just got I. 2046 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:54.159 Don't care about the story. I want the evidence. You 2047 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:56.680 don't have any evidence, do you. You don't have any 2048 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:59.399 evidence that aliens exist. You really don't want to go 2049 01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:02.239 to the Bible because John and I have John in 2050 01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:04.359 particular has been kicking people in the teeth with the 2051 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:07.279 Bible versus and we can continue to do that if 2052 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:09.680 you really want to, if you want, if you want 2053 01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.279 what to be Round four, Round five of the Bible 2054 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:15.720 doesn't say what it's you think it says. But you 2055 01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:20.600 haven't offered any evidence whatsoever. Uh that what you're you're 2056 01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:21.560 saying is true? 2057 01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:24.039 Well, can you prove to me that they don't exist? 2058 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:28.760 That aliens don't exist? They're making the claim. You're making 2059 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.319 the claim, buddy, you got to back it up. 2060 01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:33.279 I mean, you have the government itself. 2061 01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:36.359 Okay, I'm done. What about you, John? 2062 01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:38.720 They aren't actually demons? 2063 01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:39.680 Yeah, we're done. 2064 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.600 I'm getting to is how did I stay come back 2065 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:45.800 when you can actually prove something with actual evidence instead 2066 01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:47.399 of just whatever your brain thought of. 2067 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:51.680 Thanks, So just real quick. 2068 01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:53.800 I had the experience where I was in that half 2069 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:56.560 asleep mode where you can't move and would swear it. 2070 01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:58.800 I had cats dancing tear on my feet and didn't 2071 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:01.920 do not own cats. That's the only evidence I have 2072 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:04.720 and I'm not saying or a cast or anything else 2073 01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:04.960 going on. 2074 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.439 Then that's the way my brain worked. I've had weird 2075 01:47:07.479 --> 01:47:11.760 experiences too. I'm not making fantastic clients. So all right, 2076 01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:12.680 on to the next one. 2077 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:17.560 Okay, let's see. Yeah, it's kind of a toxic. Which 2078 01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:19.000 one do you? Which one do you want to take? 2079 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:22.960 Well, let's let's end on a palate cleanser and keep 2080 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:26.000 Z for life. 2081 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.000 Okay, keep Z for last. All right, so let's go 2082 01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:32.600 to William. What's up there, William? 2083 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:33.960 How you doing great? 2084 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:38.199 So the first thing I want to say is, like 2085 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:42.800 in the New Testament, it specifically says. 2086 01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.960 There was an argument whether every Christian needs. 2087 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:48.239 To follow the Old Testament law, and then Act chapter. 2088 01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:50.199 Fifteen, he said, no, you don't need to follow every 2089 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:55.760 Old Testament law, right, and Jesus says you do? Okay, 2090 01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:57.880 Where where did Jesus say you need to follow every 2091 01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:58.600 Old Testament law? 2092 01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:04.640 Matthew? You five? Apparently you weren't paying attention. Matthew five? 2093 01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:08.359 What is seventeenth through seventeen? Nineteen? 2094 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:10.079 Seventeen to nineteen? 2095 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:12.840 I heard you misquoting scripture? 2096 01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:15.359 I heard that, So let's go. No, we're not misquoting 2097 01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:18.399 a scripture. Let me read you scripture? Do you mind? John? 2098 01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:19.399 Yeah? 2099 01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:19.680 Good? 2100 01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:24.199 So okay, Matthew five, seventeen through nineteen, word for word 2101 01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.680 right out of the New International Version says quote, do 2102 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:30.000 not think that I have come to abolish the law 2103 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:31.039 or the prophets. 2104 01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:33.279 I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 2105 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.119 For truly, I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, 2106 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:38.960 not the smallest letter, not the small least stroke of 2107 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.479 a pen, well, by any means, disappear from the law 2108 01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:46.000 until everything is accomplished. So that is exactly what the 2109 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:49.720 Bible says. And that is Jesus speaking, and Jesus saying 2110 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:51.720 that the Old Testament laws still exist. 2111 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:54.239 Right, So, yes, exactly so, so. 2112 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:58.520 For eximple Old Testiment law said Moses commanded the issue life. Right, 2113 01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:01.560 So if we go by the law, it said Moses 2114 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:04.840 commanded Israelites. It is say Moses commanded the Midianites. And 2115 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:07.199 they say Moses commanded everybody who was going to become 2116 01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:09.920 a Jew, and said Moses commanded the Israelites. 2117 01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:12.920 So you can't take the law like if I were 2118 01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:13.279 to give you. 2119 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:16.960 A document and I would say, my father commanded me 2120 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:18.760 to do this, and then you were to say, well, 2121 01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:19.840 God commanded. 2122 01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:21.119 Everybody, you know, that's what the Father commanded. 2123 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:21.439 The son. 2124 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:22.920 But I'm gonna finish. 2125 01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:25.439 I'm a finished with this. So first of all, it 2126 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:27.039 said that that was for the Israelites. 2127 01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:28.159 It didn't say it was for everybody. 2128 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.079 Second of all, if you want to call it the 2129 01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:31.159 law and the law. 2130 01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:33.800 God commanded them to eat the unclean animals. If the 2131 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:36.039 first five books is the law, they had all the 2132 01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:37.319 animals when they came out. 2133 01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:37.600 Of the Ark. 2134 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:41.359 When they came out of the Ark, they were commanded. 2135 01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:43.319 To eat everything, not just the clean animals. 2136 01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:45.800 Right, So you don't want you don't want to have 2137 01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:48.000 a conversation about with me about what you could eat 2138 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:51.520 in the Bible because it's a security conversation and it's 2139 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:54.159 not going to help you because the ultimate answer is 2140 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:56.680 we don't know. It's unclear as to what you can 2141 01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:59.359 actually eat in the Bible. So you don't want to 2142 01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:02.720 do that one. But again, nothing you said actually refused that. 2143 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.800 All the laws in the Old Testament for anybody who's 2144 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:08.359 going to be a follower of Christ. And they were all. 2145 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:10.479 Jewish at the time most of this was written, right, 2146 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:12.880 Paul was only one preaching to the gentiles. 2147 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.960 So yes, you have to have all you have to 2148 01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:18.560 follow all the laws. That's what this says. 2149 01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:19.840 So the. 2150 01:50:22.199 --> 01:50:25.840 Law, Mathew, So the law did the first five books 2151 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.039 include the law? Because in the law, Genesis will be 2152 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:31.279 part of the law. If Genesis is part of the law. 2153 01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:33.840 Then and Genesis he commanded them to eat fruits and 2154 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:36.279 vegetables in the garden. If Genesis is a part of 2155 01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:37.000 the law, when. 2156 01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:38.840 They came out of the art, they would command it 2157 01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:40.479 to eat unclean animals as well. 2158 01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:46.479 If so, Genesis is not the only place where God 2159 01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:49.239 commands people. Gives a list of things you can and 2160 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:54.680 cannot eat, right, So in Genesis nine to three, which 2161 01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:56.960 is what you're talking about, yes, you could eat anything. 2162 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:02.399 In Leviticus eleven seven, in Deuteronomy fourteen one through twenty one, 2163 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:04.439 that's all Old Testament. 2164 01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:07.279 God gives you a list of restricted diets. 2165 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:11.399 Now the issue, I can't give this to the world. 2166 01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:15.920 Can give Yes, if you're going to follow Jesus Christ, 2167 01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:18.560 who is a Jew, you also have to follow Jewish 2168 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:21.159 law Jewish only. 2169 01:51:21.479 --> 01:51:22.880 Can I hold on? 2170 01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:26.239 I want to provide some clarification here on this particular point. 2171 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.039 Is that okay, there William. 2172 01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:29.920 Yes, sir, yes, sir, okay. 2173 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:33.720 I feel like you have a Bible and if you 2174 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:36.560 want to turn in your Bible. Galatians three twenty nine 2175 01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:39.359 is the key verse here. And I know that this 2176 01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:42.800 is Paul, but you know we've been referencing between Jesus 2177 01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:45.039 and Paul and everything like that. But Paul says that 2178 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:48.560 if you belong to Christ, meaning Jesus, then you are 2179 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.239 Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. So it 2180 01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:55.479 kind of seems like even to Paul, you're considered to 2181 01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:59.359 be part of that group of people. You're directly descended 2182 01:51:59.399 --> 01:52:00.199 from Aber hand. 2183 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:04.279 So that's so, that's just this is perfect because people 2184 01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:05.119 doesn't don't get it right. 2185 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:09.520 So Abraham seed wasn't just Israel, right, Israel Israel is. 2186 01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:13.840 A subset of Abraham. Abraham had Abraham. 2187 01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:15.640 Had other children other than Jacob. 2188 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:20.560 No no, no, no no no no no no no. 2189 01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:23.199 The twelve tribe that's after the twelve tribes would be 2190 01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:27.199 a subset of Jacob. I'm talking about the super set, right, 2191 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:28.319 So Jacob. 2192 01:52:28.079 --> 01:52:29.279 Had brothers, right, no. 2193 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:30.680 No, no, I'm sorry're right right, I got to say, 2194 01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:32.319 I'm sorry. I sry. My mind is going somewhere else. 2195 01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:35.439 But before but even before those twelve tribes, there were 2196 01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:39.279 still there were still Hebrews, there were still Hebrews. So right, 2197 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:41.760 so Abraham was the Hebrew but he had other children. 2198 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:43.720 What he had it was his son Isaac, right, and 2199 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:44.439 there was Isaac. 2200 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:48.640 He also had that Muslims, right, Jacob, not Jacob Ishmail Ismail. 2201 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:51.600 So Ishmael was one of his descendants, and Isaac was 2202 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:53.800 another one of his descendants. And I don't remember how 2203 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:56.479 many children Isaac had, but oh, it was, it was 2204 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.920 it was Jacob and right soul, So that would mean 2205 01:53:00.359 --> 01:53:03.079 that also came from Isaac. 2206 01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:04.880 So Isaac was the one who was considered the son 2207 01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:07.880 of problems. So that means that not only the Israelites 2208 01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:11.439 would be the chosen people on Abraham, but also. 2209 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.800 The descendants of also. 2210 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:16.039 William. 2211 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:22.319 Yeah, so William William the So so there's two parts 2212 01:53:22.399 --> 01:53:25.439 to this verse. The second part is kind of also 2213 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:26.680 key and can't be ignored. 2214 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:30.560 It says and heirs according to the promise, So like. 2215 01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:35.159 If you're if you belong to Christ, then we're not 2216 01:53:35.359 --> 01:53:38.800 talking about those other groups out there, We're talking about 2217 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.159 the ones that are heirs according to the promise. 2218 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:43.560 So they are heirs to all of this. 2219 01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:47.199 So it's all connected to the Old Testament. So yes, 2220 01:53:47.359 --> 01:53:49.920 the Old Testament laws are still applicable to Christians. 2221 01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:53.560 Well, hold on, no, no, so what so what you're 2222 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:54.279 saying doesn't make sense? 2223 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:56.800 Is what you're saying just so, just based on what 2224 01:53:56.920 --> 01:53:59.479 you said, air to the promise, So air to the promise. 2225 01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:01.159 Don't mean that you fall the same laws. So so 2226 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:03.199 I have a let's say I got three children. I 2227 01:54:03.279 --> 01:54:04.000 got three children. 2228 01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:05.880 I tell one child, listen, what you got to do 2229 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:06.960 is you got to mop the floors. 2230 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:08.880 That's my daughters. Then I tell my sons, Yo, what 2231 01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:09.960 you got to do is you got to take care 2232 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:10.319 of your mother. 2233 01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:12.039 Right as to the promise. 2234 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:13.159 But they don't off fall the same laws. 2235 01:54:13.319 --> 01:54:15.800 So for you to say that, oh, isn't the promise 2236 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:18.800 of this case referring to the Covenant, which would include 2237 01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:23.600 all three hundred and some odd laws in the old customent, well, 2238 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:27.479 is to the promise that the So just my quick reaction. 2239 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.239 With I'm thinking about what you said. The covenant is 2240 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:32.439 the promise wouldn't be the Old Testament Covenant. The promise 2241 01:54:32.479 --> 01:54:34.600 would be the New Testament would be I will pour 2242 01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:36.000 out my sons into the New Testament. 2243 01:54:36.079 --> 01:54:39.279 Covenant doesn't happen until after the Second Coming. No, no, no, no, no, 2244 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:40.680 we're gonna have to agree to disagreew in. 2245 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:42.760 That because I will pour out my spirit on your 2246 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:44.600 sons and daughters. That's the promise of the New. 2247 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:46.800 Covenant, right, you know what I'm saying, go ahead. 2248 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:49.600 No, I was just saying, eude, like I'm gonna pour 2249 01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:52.119 out my spirit on you like that just sounds for us. 2250 01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:53.960 Yeah, but I mean you might. 2251 01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:56.680 I mean, listen, listen, that's that's the I don't. 2252 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:58.640 I mean, there's a there's a few so different people 2253 01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:01.399 like different things. Some people like Gerbals in different places. 2254 01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:03.439 Some people don't so to you and might sound well, 2255 01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:05.239 I'm sure some people like hollo. 2256 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:07.199 No, I don't understand what this has to do with 2257 01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:11.119 with everybody who is Jewish and Christian must follow the laws, 2258 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:14.039 because it's pretty clear we're reading you black letter and 2259 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:17.319 you're offering us your interpretation to fit your worldview, and 2260 01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:19.399 alls we're doing is reading the Bible God, and it 2261 01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:20.159 doesn't say. 2262 01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:22.399 That changing the rules. 2263 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:25.640 So you just had the discussion about slavery, right now. 2264 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.800 So no, no, no, no, no, I said earlier on 2265 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:32.680 the day, you guys were talking about slavery, and one 2266 01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:35.319 of the things that was brought up was well, you got. 2267 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:39.840 The nations and then you got Israel, so maybe you 2268 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:42.359 know you could buy it from the nation, but not 2269 01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:44.960 necessarily buy from Israel. So the point I was getting 2270 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.239 at was that you guys have already. 2271 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:50.000 Acknowledged that God got different rules with different people. 2272 01:55:50.319 --> 01:55:52.399 If the law says, it says there. 2273 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:55.119 Every time you read Exodus and Leviticus. 2274 01:55:54.760 --> 01:55:57.920 And Deuteronomy, it always says and God told Moses to 2275 01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:00.159 tell oh, shoot, I got go. 2276 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:02.199 Now I'm getting it. Call I've got to go. 2277 01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:05.920 Now, Okay, damn, that was quick, all right, see you 2278 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:10.399 later there, William. So the important thing here that I 2279 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:13.079 guess I was trying to get to is that, I mean, 2280 01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:16.880 you know, Paul has his contradictory thing about the whole 2281 01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:21.279 commandments deal, whether or not those applied. But at the 2282 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:25.359 same time, it's rather awkward for me because I don't 2283 01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:28.439 know how to I don't know how to understand sin 2284 01:56:29.359 --> 01:56:34.479 unless that sin is encapsulated by the commandments, Like I 2285 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:37.119 just don't know what sin is, and it turns into 2286 01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:37.800 this whole. 2287 01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:39.880 Thing where you know, there's. 2288 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.720 We're just making up whatever we think God doesn't like, 2289 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:46.560 and I just I don't. 2290 01:56:46.399 --> 01:56:46.960 Understand that. 2291 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:52.520 You have to accept contradictory things in order to read 2292 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:52.960 the Bible. 2293 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:56.319 I'm sorry, Jim, go ahead. 2294 01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:59.520 I would say that it's so obvious when you actually 2295 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:01.520 start to read it and study it. Just on the 2296 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:04.680 concept of what can you eat? You have three verses 2297 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:07.600 in the Old Testament that dictate that. One says you 2298 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:10.800 need anything to others say you have a restricted diet. 2299 01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:14.439 And yet the New Testament says you can eat anything 2300 01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:19.520 unless you just It's not clear and simple as people 2301 01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:22.560 want it to be, and they don't realize it. And 2302 01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:25.279 once they have figured out what their dogma is and 2303 01:57:25.319 --> 01:57:27.880 they fit the facts to it, that's all they want 2304 01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:28.119 to hear. 2305 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.840 Yeah, I'm wondering, what would you care if we if 2306 01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:36.760 we brought up our backup post to handle this last call, 2307 01:57:37.039 --> 01:57:40.359 because I don't want them to be back there for 2308 01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:42.199 nothing this entire time. 2309 01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:45.119 And we've had so many great calls. Hey there, Ben, 2310 01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:46.279 how you doing good? 2311 01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:47.159 How are you guys doing? 2312 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.560 Yeah, doing pretty good. Have you enjoyed the show so far? 2313 01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:51.840 Oh my gosh, some. 2314 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.840 Interesting and inspuriating callers, but it certainly seemed fun. 2315 01:57:57.399 --> 01:57:57.600 Yeah. 2316 01:57:58.199 --> 01:58:00.880 Well, we do have our last collar to take today, 2317 01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:04.760 and like Jim said, it's a palate cleanser. So we're 2318 01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:07.920 gonna be talking to Z and we're talking about the 2319 01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.279 difference between agnostic and atheist. 2320 01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:11.279 How you doing there, Z? 2321 01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:12.479 What's you up to? 2322 01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:13.359 Yo? 2323 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:13.960 Yo yo? 2324 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:14.600 What's up? 2325 01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:15.039 Guys? 2326 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:22.119 Finally on, finally on. Yeah, it's funny. 2327 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:28.479 I came across the channel just randomly, like the show 2328 01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:35.239 before you guys, thanks for hanging around, Thank you for. 2329 01:58:35.319 --> 01:58:44.319 Doing God serk, that's a joke. Oh wow, wow wow wow. Yeah. 2330 01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:46.840 I grew out mission and created everything. This is God's 2331 01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:49.880 work before that this would be happening. 2332 01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:55.319 And ire with where we talked about this stuff quite. 2333 01:58:55.079 --> 01:58:59.279 A bit, and uh, you know, there's this My dad 2334 01:58:59.800 --> 01:59:05.840 is Jesus guy and his mom was a Pennycostal and 2335 01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:10.600 so like they wrote her off as crazy because some 2336 01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:13.520 of her thoughts were crazy, and I also want to 2337 01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:17.359 give us but she's an amazing woman. And my mom 2338 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.680 was definitely an atheist and she passed away about ten 2339 01:59:21.199 --> 01:59:22.119 or eleven years ago. 2340 01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:25.159 So I want to give a shout and I want to. 2341 01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:29.560 Give a shout out to all the callers, because you know, 2342 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:34.239 everybody's got their own thing going on, and they're all 2343 01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:38.119 humans and it's tough to being a human sometimes and 2344 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.319 I think everybody is trying to make sense of it all. 2345 01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:45.359 And I appreciate you too. 2346 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:51.119 For really like really getting down to business when it 2347 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:53.199 comes down to the yo, are. 2348 01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:55.680 You guys kidding me? Are you really thinking music? 2349 01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:55.960 Like? 2350 01:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.560 Are you really into this? But like, hey, that's what 2351 01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:02.399 you were taught you were a green pencil was yellow 2352 02:00:03.199 --> 02:00:07.439 from the age of whatever zero, I guess or one 2353 02:00:07.560 --> 02:00:10.880 day like you might think that that green pencil was 2354 02:00:11.600 --> 02:00:15.640 yellow or whatever. It was my thought eupimism. I think 2355 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:15.960 it's well. 2356 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:20.720 But yeah, so I got some really interesting things to say. 2357 02:00:22.520 --> 02:00:22.880 For me. 2358 02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:29.720 I actually just had a experience with pretty guy hard 2359 02:00:30.079 --> 02:00:36.920 Catholics in their late seventies eighties. They also have big 2360 02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:43.199 gatherings for people that are muslim a Native Americans. They 2361 02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:48.840 accepted me being agnostic basically or whatever. 2362 02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:50.960 They didn't even ask me what I was. 2363 02:00:51.159 --> 02:00:53.800 But and. 2364 02:00:55.399 --> 02:01:01.319 Yeah, so my question is is, like, so when it 2365 02:01:01.399 --> 02:01:05.640 comes to agnostic and atheism, what do you guys think 2366 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.479 about Like when energy is. 2367 02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:13.359 You know, seems godly, you know, is that. 2368 02:01:15.159 --> 02:01:17.760 Meant I don't I don't want to go in It's 2369 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:20.840 not a mental illness, it's a mental Oh. 2370 02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:25.159 I'm not sure what you're asking because atheists and agnostic 2371 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:28.279 are terms that have nothing to do with energy. 2372 02:01:29.399 --> 02:01:32.800 Yeah, so, I guess for everybody out there, I just 2373 02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:36.520 wanted to like say, like, yeah, like, I don't think 2374 02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:39.079 it's wrong for any of these people to think what 2375 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:42.359 they think, but like they think. 2376 02:01:42.399 --> 02:01:43.840 You don't think it's wrong for people to think it's 2377 02:01:43.840 --> 02:01:45.560 okay to sell their children into slavery. 2378 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:50.039 I think that's wrong, and I think yeah, so so. 2379 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:51.479 Yeah, well thank you for that. 2380 02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:53.439 By the way, it's nice, like I said, it's gonna 2381 02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:56.199 be a power cleanser. But so it's not okay for 2382 02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:58.960 everybody to think whatever they want to think, so that 2383 02:01:59.119 --> 02:01:59.800 that's not true. 2384 02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:04.000 Yes, I sided to tact over even how ridiculous is 2385 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:06.720 it to even believe in the Bible something that was 2386 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:10.760 written two thousand years ago when we as humans have 2387 02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:14.800 evolved so much even just since uh you know it 2388 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:17.760 was July or two hundred and fifty years but how 2389 02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:19.359 much we've evolved since then. 2390 02:02:19.600 --> 02:02:23.399 You know, it's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable. What do you 2391 02:02:23.439 --> 02:02:24.079 guys think about that? 2392 02:02:24.800 --> 02:02:26.880 Well, I mean I think certainly there's a lot of 2393 02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:29.640 old books, uh there there could be a passage or 2394 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:33.199 two in the Bible that is sensible and reasonable. I 2395 02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:37.600 think like don't murder people is generally like widely accepted belief. 2396 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:39.880 But I think if you're trying to base your entire 2397 02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:43.880 life around a document from that that long ago, probably foolish. 2398 02:02:44.720 --> 02:02:47.039 You may miss some things or be misinformed about the world. 2399 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:47.880 Yeah. 2400 02:02:48.159 --> 02:02:52.079 Yeah, And it's like I guess, like I just cannot. 2401 02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:55.840 I guess you're you're you're you're trying to. 2402 02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:58.399 Help people out, but I are seeing that you guys 2403 02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:02.800 are being a little bit argun into kis and maybe, like. 2404 02:03:03.159 --> 02:03:05.239 I hope we're being more than a little bit argumentative. 2405 02:03:07.680 --> 02:03:08.920 It's the whole point of the show. 2406 02:03:10.159 --> 02:03:14.880 Yeah, turn out this argumentation game, the league game across this. 2407 02:03:15.039 --> 02:03:17.720 So, like I guess, yeah, so like I remember this 2408 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:20.279 when I was like sixteen, you know, and that's been 2409 02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:25.960 some decades back, and like I remember atheists being argumentative 2410 02:03:26.039 --> 02:03:28.800 and being like I don't really like that part about it, 2411 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:32.680 you know, but like I see one, Well, I know. 2412 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.920 A lot of atheists who aren't argumentative at all. They 2413 02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:38.439 live their lives out ever having a single argument about it. 2414 02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:39.239 Yeah. 2415 02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:40.560 Well, I think it's something as. 2416 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:44.800 As we do this show, and we have several other shows, 2417 02:03:45.000 --> 02:03:47.840 and then we do a lot of other stuff at 2418 02:03:47.840 --> 02:03:52.000 the Free Thought Library in Austin. In all of the 2419 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:55.199 like activism that I've done and work that I've done 2420 02:03:55.239 --> 02:03:58.159 in the past, I think like different strategies and for 2421 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:01.720 different means and different capabilities for different memes. I think 2422 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:03.520 some people are really good at arguing. I think some 2423 02:04:03.600 --> 02:04:06.239 people are really good at kind of deconstructing arguments and 2424 02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:09.880 being an advocate in the public. But then there's other spaces. 2425 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:13.159 Some people are really good at having more compassionate conversation 2426 02:04:13.279 --> 02:04:16.239 and deconstructing thoughts and taking times, and I think all 2427 02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:20.279 of those are equally valid. So I appreciate, like sometimes 2428 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:23.079 this kind of show isn't for everybody, But we do 2429 02:04:23.239 --> 02:04:25.760 have other programming where our hosts we tell our hosts 2430 02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:27.479 to try to sit down and kind of deconstruct the 2431 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:30.920 arguments and kind of cool things down a little bit more. 2432 02:04:32.680 --> 02:04:32.960 I think. 2433 02:04:33.079 --> 02:04:37.119 One thing, So that's going to blow all y'all's minds 2434 02:04:37.199 --> 02:04:41.000 that everybody's still listening that we're air raft. 2435 02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:42.560 So I hope I get to hold onto. 2436 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:42.680 Some of it. 2437 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:48.319 You guys ready for this? You never heard of we Board? 2438 02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:50.239 Yeah, they're fake? What about them? 2439 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:53.560 I was only thirteen or fourteen, and. 2440 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:59.520 This is I didn't prove God at all, but disproves energy, 2441 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:02.760 and I guess to kind of like proves where some 2442 02:05:02.960 --> 02:05:07.199 people go after they die, possibly or just energy. 2443 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:10.720 But you know how you know how wig boards work, right, 2444 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:13.600 they're the worst. 2445 02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:14.840 I don't know. I've never used. 2446 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.439 Whenever I was, I was like thirteen years old, and 2447 02:05:18.359 --> 02:05:20.880 my friend and his sisters were really into it. 2448 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:22.079 Yeah, it's whatever push it. 2449 02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:25.680 It's whoever pushed it to shuttle thing around, is the 2450 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:30.640 answer you get, because there's I mean, Hasbro made them. 2451 02:05:33.439 --> 02:05:35.920 He asked the Wigi board to prove itself. There's like 2452 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:39.239 a ton of articles online I looked up one time. 2453 02:05:39.399 --> 02:05:42.520 Yeah, and and and the Ouiji board is fake. There's 2454 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:45.359 there is no evidence that the supernatural actually, oh there 2455 02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:49.119 we go, holy spirit board and John's got one right there. 2456 02:05:53.159 --> 02:05:56.399 To prove itself. And it literally threw us. 2457 02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:02.039 It doesn't it doesn't. Yeah, that's what our minds aren't blown. 2458 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:06.640 And uh, you know, because boards aren't a thing. 2459 02:06:07.800 --> 02:06:12.199 This one says communic This one says communicate directly with 2460 02:06:12.399 --> 02:06:15.760 Jesus Christ, because obviously you need a Ouiji board in 2461 02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:21.079 order to communicate with Christy that again. There, I'm sorry, 2462 02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:24.960 my my middle of my sentence interrupted the beginning of years. 2463 02:06:25.039 --> 02:06:25.560 That's my bad. 2464 02:06:26.680 --> 02:06:30.640 Uh anyways, uh ze, So I'm not exactly sure if 2465 02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:33.279 we're actually talking about the topic that you actually call 2466 02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:33.720 it in for. 2467 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:36.439 But you know, I don't know. 2468 02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:38.680 We we We've got to read super chats and then 2469 02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:40.279 I've got to get out of here. 2470 02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:42.560 So any final thoughts there. 2471 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:47.119 Then I listened to an hour of incredibleness. 2472 02:06:47.720 --> 02:06:49.960 Now I can kind of understand where you guys are 2473 02:06:49.960 --> 02:06:53.920 coming from, and I thank you for being the voices 2474 02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:58.439 of reason, and I think you are pretty You're pretty reasonable. 2475 02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:03.079 That is terrible. I cannot believe I never read the Bible. 2476 02:07:03.199 --> 02:07:05.640 I cannot believe the Bible said that stuff, and like 2477 02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:11.039 people actually worshiped it or worshiped all that stuff. 2478 02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:11.800 It's just weird. 2479 02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:13.920 It's totally crazy. 2480 02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:17.680 There's a hey, maybe pick up some choice choice Bible 2481 02:07:17.800 --> 02:07:20.960 verses and see how horrible it is. Sometimes it's just 2482 02:07:21.239 --> 02:07:23.680 kind of an interesting thing to just be knowledgeable about. 2483 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:26.199 At least I think that it's pretty cool. But anyways, 2484 02:07:26.439 --> 02:07:28.119 we're going to let you go there, Zee. I hope 2485 02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:30.880 you have a fabulous rest of your day and we 2486 02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:32.680 coming up and we'll talk to you later. 2487 02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:35.640 Okay, have a good one, go tak you care everyone 2488 02:07:36.399 --> 02:07:41.319 you too, cee see. Oh right, man, that was a 2489 02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:42.680 good show today, I was. 2490 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:46.720 I mean, we started off with some drunk couple and 2491 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:51.319 we ended with you know, oiichi board, So that was 2492 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:52.439 pretty awesome. 2493 02:07:53.239 --> 02:07:55.199 That covers the gamut, and we end up with a 2494 02:07:55.239 --> 02:08:02.680 bunch of Christians defunding slavery, defunding sexual assault, defending being 2495 02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:06.359 evil as being okay because God says it, which is 2496 02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:10.680 problematic because God has on at least two occasions told 2497 02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:13.079 people to go kill their children. Now on one occasion 2498 02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:15.119 he goes, psych no, don't do it. But in some 2499 02:08:15.199 --> 02:08:17.720 ways I think that that's probably as baden. 2500 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:25.520 There's a there's actually a sophisticated biblical argument, you know, 2501 02:08:25.600 --> 02:08:28.479 that points out that God actually required the Israelites to 2502 02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:33.119 sacrifice their firstborn children, and so like there's I mean, 2503 02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:37.479 that's actually in the Bible where they God directly commands 2504 02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:39.840 that of them. So it's like you can't even be 2505 02:08:39.960 --> 02:08:43.079 like they were doing horrible things like sacrificing their babies. 2506 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:45.520 It's like the Israelites were doing that too. 2507 02:08:48.239 --> 02:08:51.319 I've heard some arguments from scholars saying that they're not 2508 02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:55.560 sure that the whole psych don't do it bit is 2509 02:08:55.840 --> 02:08:58.560 actually original. It was added later because it made God 2510 02:08:58.640 --> 02:08:59.920 look like a real evil ass. 2511 02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:00.239 Home. 2512 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:04.199 Well, Sacrice, yeah, I've argument. 2513 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:07.239 Yeah, what I'm always fascinated by when talking about like 2514 02:09:07.359 --> 02:09:11.039 the people just accepting these what we would consider atrocious things, 2515 02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:13.680 is this weird redefinition of that which is good is 2516 02:09:13.720 --> 02:09:16.920 that which glorifies God. I think if you start heading 2517 02:09:17.000 --> 02:09:22.319 down that path, it becomes the justification for anything, because 2518 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:25.880 at that point, as long as you're quote unquote glorifying 2519 02:09:25.920 --> 02:09:26.600 God and like. 2520 02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:29.039 Then we're we're we're really not. 2521 02:09:29.199 --> 02:09:32.119 Using the same language when we talk about like that 2522 02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:33.960 which is good or that which is bad, that which 2523 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:39.560 causes harm. It just makes communication difficult. Just so it 2524 02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:41.239 really does very fundamental. 2525 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:45.560 Yeah, yeah, because we're no longer talking about you know, morals, 2526 02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:49.359 We're not talking about things that can benefit society and 2527 02:09:49.439 --> 02:09:52.079 make us all better, and slavery does not do that. 2528 02:09:52.520 --> 02:09:55.319 So all right, well we do have some super chance 2529 02:09:55.399 --> 02:09:58.800 to read off before we leave out. I'll start off 2530 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:01.880 here with and Chris the donut Fiend. I have to 2531 02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:05.560 say I love that username. It's so fun to say. 2532 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:10.439 But and says, divine command theory is always used to 2533 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:15.520 justify sociopathic behaviors, and yeah, I mean it really, it 2534 02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:18.079 always is because it's easy. It's an easy thing for 2535 02:10:18.159 --> 02:10:21.319 them to accept, and you know they're already pre trained 2536 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:23.279 to just accept whatever God says. 2537 02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:28.640 Yeah, and like Plato sore and carecterguard, like there's so 2538 02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:31.800 many people from hundreds of years ago that we're dealing 2539 02:10:31.880 --> 02:10:34.359 with that exact question and that issue of the divine 2540 02:10:34.359 --> 02:10:37.760 command theory, and like we're still dealing with it today, 2541 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:39.560 all right. 2542 02:10:40.800 --> 02:10:44.279 And then the next chat is Kelly Shecher forty nine 2543 02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:48.039 to thirty seven that says nine ninety nine saying thanks 2544 02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:52.960 for the show, Thank you so much there, Kelly. And 2545 02:10:53.079 --> 02:10:57.880 then we've got Kelly Laughlin who sent in a super chat, Yeah, 2546 02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:00.439 send a super chant saying Godless Engineer will be speaking 2547 02:11:00.520 --> 02:11:04.720 at the tenth annual ARCon counter protest next week July twelfth. 2548 02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:09.239 Other speakers include Seth Andrews No Illusions. Also, Kelly will 2549 02:11:09.279 --> 02:11:12.119 be speaking there too, Godless Granny. If anybody out there 2550 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:15.000 knows Godless Granny's going to be speaking, Mandisa Thomas is 2551 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:17.319 going to be speaking there. It's just it's gonna be 2552 02:11:17.520 --> 02:11:19.319 a great number of people that are going to be there. 2553 02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:21.439 Fantastic, that's really all. 2554 02:11:22.520 --> 02:11:22.720 Yeah. 2555 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:27.000 Then we've got Carl Grimes, who says, send in a 2556 02:11:27.039 --> 02:11:30.760 super chapter five dollars, saying, Deuteronomy twenty one ten happened 2557 02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:33.479 to my mother. We weren't allowed to leave the home. 2558 02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:37.399 Grandmother nearly died. Aren't Christians just the worst? I'm so 2559 02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:41.319 sorry that y'all had to experience that. That's that's horrible. 2560 02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:46.039 Let's see, not the Bible, Jason sent in a super 2561 02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:47.520 chapter two dollars, saying. 2562 02:11:47.439 --> 02:11:51.479 Stop yelling at us, I'm so sorry. 2563 02:11:56.840 --> 02:11:59.720 And then not the Bible Jason sent in another five 2564 02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:03.079 dollars super chat sand what call could be more important 2565 02:12:03.159 --> 02:12:04.439 than speaking the word? 2566 02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:07.359 I mean, obviously it was. 2567 02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:10.000 It was that witnessing to a bunch of atheists he 2568 02:12:10.079 --> 02:12:11.520 had he had to take that call. 2569 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:13.239 I mean, I think if someone called it with the 2570 02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:16.159 winning lotto numbers, I would consider that thing important. 2571 02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:18.119 Oh, absolutely, yeah it was. 2572 02:12:18.359 --> 02:12:20.760 Maybe it was Jesus. It was like, dude, I got them. 2573 02:12:21.119 --> 02:12:24.560 Oh my gosh, you wanted like a convincing evidence for 2574 02:12:25.119 --> 02:12:28.119 at least the supernatural capabilities of the Bible. Put some 2575 02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:30.880 winning lottery numbers that it's like on August fifth, twenty 2576 02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:32.960 twenty six, this will be the one. 2577 02:12:33.800 --> 02:12:36.760 Any phone call from from my partner is far more 2578 02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:37.560 important than. 2579 02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:45.000 So so Ben and Jim, I'm wondering for the Holy 2580 02:12:45.199 --> 02:12:49.319 Spirit of Jesus Christ Ouiji board. Can you guess what 2581 02:12:49.479 --> 02:12:50.920 the little wigi wedge is? 2582 02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:52.319 Is it a cross? 2583 02:12:52.840 --> 02:12:54.279 I'm going to get it is across? 2584 02:12:57.560 --> 02:12:58.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 2585 02:12:59.279 --> 02:13:03.079 It's also made my Holy Spirit games uh not Hasbro, 2586 02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:04.840 which is a little disappointing, but. 2587 02:13:06.840 --> 02:13:09.039 I don't think they used to. 2588 02:13:10.000 --> 02:13:13.119 Yeah, but that's gonna be our show for today. 2589 02:13:13.199 --> 02:13:16.800 It's been an awesome show, very very filled with a 2590 02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:20.079 lot of good conversation. We hope that you will subscribe 2591 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:22.520 to the Atheist Experience here as well as tune in 2592 02:13:22.680 --> 02:13:26.479 next week when we're gonna have even more fantastic conversations. 2593 02:13:27.079 --> 02:13:30.520 And so yeah, I guess that's it today. Thank you 2594 02:13:30.600 --> 02:13:31.960 so much man for backing us up. 2595 02:13:32.319 --> 02:13:34.319 I appreciate you guys bringing me up and having me 2596 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:37.279 on And for everyone else out there, also check out membership. 2597 02:13:37.560 --> 02:13:40.520 You can check out at atheist type andcommunity dot org. 2598 02:13:40.680 --> 02:13:41.399 We have membership. 2599 02:13:41.439 --> 02:13:43.680 If you support and like what the ACA is all 2600 02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:44.439 about and what we do. 2601 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.279 That's a way to not just support the channels which helps, 2602 02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:48.920 but also support us directly. 2603 02:13:49.279 --> 02:13:51.199 And you can also check out our really cool merch 2604 02:13:51.840 --> 02:13:54.079 it's somewhere up wrong hand. I'm new at that. 2605 02:13:55.239 --> 02:13:59.199 Yeah, you know, I'm really bad about this during because 2606 02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:02.479 I totally forgot to read off the stuff right after 2607 02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:03.119 the first call. 2608 02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:04.960 But I do want to say thank you so much 2609 02:14:05.039 --> 02:14:06.880 to the crew on the back end. 2610 02:14:06.920 --> 02:14:10.359 They're making it possible today. That's totally my bad for 2611 02:14:10.479 --> 02:14:13.680 not calling y'all out earlier. Y'all are so awesome back there. 2612 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:17.000 Thank you guys for sticking around making a great show today, 2613 02:14:17.479 --> 02:14:20.319 and it's just it's been great and y'all have really 2614 02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:22.359 put forth the hard work all. 2615 02:14:22.319 --> 02:14:24.720 Day to day. So thank you guys for that so much. 2616 02:14:25.640 --> 02:14:27.600 But I also want to let everybody know that you 2617 02:14:27.800 --> 02:14:31.239 can too become one of those attractive crew members, or 2618 02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:32.760 you can be a guest on one of the shows, 2619 02:14:32.920 --> 02:14:35.760 or you can eventually become a host. We're always looking 2620 02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:38.399 for people interest in being part of our production, so 2621 02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:44.720 you can email Volunteer at atheistdashcommunity dot org to get involved. 2622 02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:46.359 And you will get to have a meeting with me. 2623 02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:50.680 Of all Peaple, I'm also the volunteer coordinator, So check 2624 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:52.560 us out if you think this is really cool or 2625 02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:54.159 you want to get involved in some other ways. We 2626 02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:56.960 have stuff in person at the building. We have folks 2627 02:14:57.000 --> 02:14:59.359 working on it. They've just been digging in ever since 2628 02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:02.199 we did our twenty for our fundraisers. So further shout 2629 02:15:02.239 --> 02:15:04.399 out to the crew and are the folks working for 2630 02:15:04.560 --> 02:15:07.760 us and they do so much work and every volunteer helps. 2631 02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:12.079 Whatever time you can give it goes towards helping us 2632 02:15:12.159 --> 02:15:12.359 do this. 2633 02:15:13.640 --> 02:15:14.079 Definitely. 2634 02:15:14.319 --> 02:15:16.600 All right, Well, thank you everybody for a great show today, 2635 02:15:16.680 --> 02:15:18.840 and I guess we will see y'all next week. 2636 02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:20.479 Right away. 2637 02:15:23.520 --> 02:15:29.800 To start already, y'all, to stop listen the bull shit 2638 02:15:30.079 --> 02:15:34.239 everyone around you, buy the shy. 2639 02:15:36.520 --> 02:15:43.439 Welcome David. 2640 02:15:44.640 --> 02:15:44.880 Y'all. 2641 02:16:04.239 --> 02:16:07.199 Watch Talk eath and live Sundays at one pm Central. 2642 02:16:07.319 --> 02:16:10.279 Visit tiny dot c c slash y t t H 2643 02:16:10.439 --> 02:16:12.800 and call into the show at five one two nine 2644 02:16:12.920 --> 02:16:15.359 nine one nine two four two, or connect to the 2645 02:16:15.399 --> 02:16:18.880 show online at tiny dot c c slash call THH