WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:06.879 Broadcasting from Studio A here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:11.519 It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio podcast and YouTube 3 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:15.640 show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and our engineer 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.920 and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, I loved the story 5 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:24.440 of Goldielocks and the Three Bears, Goldilocks trying to pick 6 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.039 between the porridge, the chairs, and the bed that isn't 7 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.839 too hard, too soft, too hot, whatever it may be. 8 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.600 And I guess the direction I'm going here is that, 9 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.759 to a degree, we do the same thing in our gardens. 10 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.039 We look for plants that aren't too small, too big, 11 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.439 just right. And I wish I had a dime for 12 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.479 every time someone has walked up to me in the 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:53.159 garden center and said, I want a plant that grows 14 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.399 to three feet tall and then stops and doesn't grow 15 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.640 anymore all the time. 16 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.960 Three mon I'd love to live in your magical fantasy. 17 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.640 It's not true because I do love huge plants. We 18 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:08.599 know this. I've talked about it on the show. I 19 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:11.920 love huge plants. But that doesn't mean that there's not 20 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:17.040 a place for these so called just right plants, especially 21 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.200 for people who maybe aren't so familiar with the broad 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.239 range of options or just want, you know, one simple choice. 23 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:25.159 And I think that to me, I'm glad you said 24 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:26.959 three feet because I feel like that's kind of the 25 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.079 sweet spot for people. 26 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.079 Yeah, it is the sweet spot. But you know, it's 27 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:35.840 important to note that plants have motives. Plants either want 28 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:40.280 to grow or vine or flour and produce seed or whatever. 29 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.560 They're not just simply growing for our benefit and enjoyment 30 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.439 and stopping at three feet. Yet it's fun to go 31 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.000 down the road of trying to determine are there some 32 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:58.680 plants out there that kind of fill that bill that, 33 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:03.359 just like Goldieloe would say, are just right plants that 34 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:07.760 maybe don't have to have plant supports, which is another 35 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.319 pet peeve of mine, by the way, because when you 36 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.680 go out and you shop for plant supports, it's tough 37 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:15.879 to find good quality plant supports. 38 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.400 Good quality and good looking or at least, you know, 39 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:21.960 which is to say, kind of nondescript. You don't really 40 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.080 want to draw attention to the fact that your plant 41 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.080 needs support. But some plants do need support. I mean, 42 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.159 you know, peenies. Look how much people love them and 43 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:31.680 they forgive them needing support. 44 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:35.360 We all need support now and then. But just right 45 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:39.879 plants are great for repetition in the landscape. The principle 46 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.199 of three depths foreground, background, but the middle ground separates 47 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.599 the front from the rear, pulls everything together, gives you 48 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:52.919 an interesting layered view. So the obvious physical property of 49 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:57.199 a plant is its form. And we don't always think 50 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:02.080 of the mature or ultimate siloette of a plant, and 51 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.719 yet we should when we place them in a landscape. 52 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:07.840 And Stacy, I wanted to mention to you right off 53 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.120 the bat that I personally believe in my landscape too. 54 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.479 An example of a just right plant would be the 55 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.639 Celtic pride Siberian cypress. 56 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:19.680 That is a great plant. Now that is a bit shorter, 57 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.840 but that is a plant that is almost fool proof. 58 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.719 No matter where you put it, that thing is going 59 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.520 to look great. It's going to do what you intended 60 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.879 to do. Yeah, and just look amazing all you around 61 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:32.680 because it's evergreen. 62 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.479 Yeah, it's a favorite of mine, of course. Also, I 63 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:41.280 think the consummate just right plant in the landscape, my 64 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:46.680 opinion would be Spyria's. Spyrias just fill the bill. They 65 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.280 do a great job. They can fit in just about anywhere. 66 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.599 Of course, they provide us great foliage color, rounded. Our 67 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.759 horizontal shapes are less dramatic than those with vertical shape. 68 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.960 Of course, vertical Any plants that are vertical really call 69 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.759 for our attention. We've talked about that before. They are 70 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:13.439 exclamation points. But Spyria really does a great job a 71 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:18.040 nice rounded habit without pruning. And of course I love 72 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:23.879 the yellow foliage of let's say, candy corn, because it's 73 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.399 perfect to combine with blue flowers, whether they be perennials 74 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:28.920 or annual. 75 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:33.040 Yeah, I mean, Spyria are such an interesting plant. I 76 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:38.199 definitely have had my times of snobbery towards Spyrea. You know, 77 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:39.600 it's just kind of like, oh, it's just like a 78 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.480 gas station plant. But honestly, the proven winners to double 79 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:47.399 play Spyria really turned my opinion on them around, and 80 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.560 especially at this time of year. And it's the kind 81 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.319 of thing that like, if you were to read a 82 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.319 description or read the tag, if you're in the garden 83 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.959 center and you hear oh fall, you know in spring, 84 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.519 foliage emerges bright orange or bright red, You're just like, okay, yeah, 85 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.959 that's cool. When you see these things in the landscape 86 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:06.399 right now. They are glowing. It is almost like a bloom, 87 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:07.920 a first bloom, because they are going to go on 88 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.600 to flower. And so Spiria, I think are definitely one 89 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.519 of those plants that there's more than meets the eye. 90 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.800 People are initially attracted to that super toughty rounded look. 91 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.480 They say, oh, you know what, I have a spyria. 92 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.839 It looks great, grows round, I don't have to do anything. 93 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.920 It's really pretty. When at flowers, I want more of that. 94 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.519 And the thing is, there is so many more spirias, 95 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:26.800 so you don't just have to settle for the same 96 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.560 ones that you have. They also go together great exactly. 97 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.920 So I think that that's a plant that fits the bill, 98 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.000 one that I've really had to learn to like because 99 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.480 I didn't really care much for it. Maybe you can 100 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.480 sell me on it, Stacey. And that is inkberry holly 101 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.279 or gembox. Yeah, and I'd kind of put that in 102 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:44.279 the same description. 103 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:48.399 Yeah, I would too. So this gembox inkberry holly is 104 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.839 something that it's an evergreen. It is a native species 105 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:55.560 I like sclabra. It's called inkberry holly because back in 106 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.680 the Revolutionary War they actually did use the fruits to 107 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:03.399 write letters to make it to write letters, and so 108 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.079 it's found abundantly throughout the East Coast, which of course 109 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.319 makes sense for the Revolutionary War. And so we actually 110 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.879 sell these as a native alternative to boxwood, because not 111 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.399 everyone wants to grow a boxwood. People have different, you know, 112 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.279 reasons they may not like them. And this looks a 113 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:22.839 lot like a boxwood, but it's a native species and 114 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:25.639 it has white flowers in mid to late spring, which 115 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.800 are actually quite attractive. But really the main thing that 116 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.839 makes gembox different than other ink very hollies that are 117 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.439 out there on the market is that it branches to 118 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.560 the ground. So if you were to see inkbery holly 119 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.959 in the wild, it gets kind of leggy, and that's 120 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.120 just a term for when plants get tall but kind 121 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:46.800 of bear at the base. And that's perfectly fine in 122 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:48.800 the woods, but that's not what people want from these 123 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.839 just right plants in their landscape. So this naturally grows 124 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:57.000 with that nice tight boxwood type shape, but flowers and 125 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.759 is amenable to pruning, and it's native, so it's kind 126 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.720 of a cool and interesting plant. It is not the 127 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.360 reason that I would maybe not quite say, I feel 128 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.800 like an important part of the just right equation here, 129 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.439 the Goldilocks equation is wide adaptability, and this is a 130 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.160 plant that is not especially drought tolerant. I can tell 131 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:17.759 you this because I have attempted to grow it and 132 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.720 failed because again I don't really water. I'm willing to 133 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.720 get some water at the beginning. But if you were 134 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.920 to find this plant in the wild, it's growing in 135 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:29.639 like almost swampy ok you know, deep woods area where 136 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.920 the soil is pretty much always at least moist, if 137 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.240 not wet. So just right definitely in terms of the 138 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.800 way it looks, but not quite as adaptable as what 139 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.240 I think a Goldilocks plant should. Because we're trying to, 140 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.879 you know, pitch these plants to the people who are like, whoa, 141 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.720 there's way too many plants out there. Just give me 142 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.399 like five that I can go and look at, and 143 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:49.000 I'll pick one. 144 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.560 I knew you'd educate us on the on this plant, 145 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.360 and thank you for doing that. Boxwood is a plant 146 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.279 that I also would put in that category. We're going 147 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.480 to go down a little of plants in segment four 148 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:07.480 today that are Goldilocks just right plants, and maybe one 149 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.439 or two of them would fit for you. When I 150 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:15.120 look at spring bloomers to Stacey throughout the years looking 151 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:19.040 at what has happened with flowering crab trees and how 152 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:26.199 Lollipop and Showtime and other cultivars again have well basically 153 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.800 been bred to be just right in size as opposed 154 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:30.600 to overpowering. 155 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.519 And you know, aside from the size themselves, I mean, 156 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.600 you can't ever go wrong with a crab apple, you know, 157 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.279 if you're looking for a small tree. You know, sometimes 158 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.879 I say about plants, they're just ubiquitous, like everybody has them. 159 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.600 They get a little boring. I don't know if it's 160 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.279 possible to be tired of crab apples. They are just 161 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.879 so entirely lovely. Honestly. If they have one drawback, it's 162 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:52.240 the deer. 163 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:57.559 I agree, I myself can become tired of boxwood. I 164 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:58.000 have to be. 165 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.039 Don't come to my garden then fuck again. 166 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.879 That's from unloading hundreds. 167 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.799 Yeah, yeah, you know. I know you've got your own 168 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.480 well earned prejudices about plants in the garden, and I 169 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.080 will give you those happily excellent. 170 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.399 Well, let me give you a nursery rhyme that I've written. 171 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.960 A nursery rhyme lima a rick once upon a time, 172 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.879 Rex the landscaper listed some plants pen to paper. This 173 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:27.799 one too big, this one too slight. But this one here, 174 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.320 I guess, is just right. I'm not gonna need shears 175 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.679 to taper. But someone stole his lunch, ate, his bread, 176 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.759 and had taken the tools from his shed. He stepped 177 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:42.960 this very bad day on a rake lying in his 178 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.279 pathway and fell into his planting bed. Along came his friend, 179 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.080 Goldie Flocks. See what I did, Yes, I do, thank you. 180 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.240 Together they had some good talks. She got them straightened out. 181 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:00.840 A friendship they would sprout, he realized, Goldie Flos rocks. 182 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.279 So they planted some plants in their prime that they 183 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.639 knew would look good all the time. Not too big, 184 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.240 not too small, they were just right above all. A 185 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.480 happy end to this nursery rhyme. 186 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.120 Oh that was lovely. That need some illustrations. 187 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.559 Yeah, maybe I should start writing kids books. 188 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:21.360 Yes, I think you got a good start. 189 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.879 Well, just write plants. Let's see what Stacy has on 190 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.240 her mind in Plants on Trial. That's coming up next 191 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.960 here on the Gardening Simplified. 192 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:38.799 Show, Beautify your Home and Community with proven winner's color 193 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.759 Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 194 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.000 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering, shrubber, evergreen for 195 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.240 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 196 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.000 white container your local garden center or learn more at 197 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:56.159 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and 198 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.840 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where we're talking 199 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.399 goldilocks plants. It's right. They're not too small, they're not 200 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.000 too big. They are just right. Now. This isn't to 201 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.919 say that there's not a spot for small and very 202 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.600 big plants. There are, Yeah, definitely. And I have the 203 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.879 whole gamut from seedums that barely grow to an inch 204 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.960 high in my garden all the way up to you know, 205 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.279 silphium and the like, which get to be ten feet 206 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:26.000 tall or more. I probably don't have in my art 207 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.559 a lot of these so called just right plants I've got, 208 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.519 but that doesn't mean that there's not a place for them. 209 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.519 Yeah, but not everybody likes porridge either, that's true. I 210 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.200 have porridge for breakfast every morning. At least I call 211 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.360 it porridge. It's cooked oat brand with some blueberries. 212 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:42.600 You know, I'm sound very happy about it. 213 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.159 No, I'm not. I do it for my cholesterol. 214 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:56.519 They're like, I have porridge very morning. Any hopefully it 215 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.000 is at least just right doing something good for you. 216 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:02.559 But yeah, so there's room for all of these plants. 217 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.159 But I understand again there's so many choices out on 218 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.320 the market that when it comes time for someone, especially 219 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.919 if you know they are working on something in their landscape, 220 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:13.919 they're replacing a plant. They're just looking to add a 221 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.519 little bit more color. They're not looking for our list 222 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.360 of all time favorite perennials or you know, all of 223 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.080 this kind of stuff. They want just this nice, tidy 224 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:24.840 short list of plants, and we're going to go over 225 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.000 that more. And you know, that's really in many ways 226 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.399 what we're all about here at Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. 227 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.480 We do have a lot of smaller kind of groundcovery shrubs, 228 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.159 and we have some that are actually very very large 229 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.279 ten feet or more. So we have something, but most 230 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.559 of them really are in this kind of Goldilocks zone 231 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.039 of roughly three to five feet tall and wide. And 232 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.720 another really important fact part of the of the Goldilocks 233 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.200 equation for me multiple seasons of interest. Yes, you know, 234 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.200 a Goldilocks plant should not be a plant that just 235 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:59.559 looks fabulous for you know, two weeks, and then the 236 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.120 rest of the year you're just like whatever. You know. 237 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.840 That's why I wouldn't give Forcythia, for example, a Goldilocks 238 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.120 Plant award, because as fabulous as it is right about now, 239 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:10.360 come on, what do you do in for me the 240 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.639 rest of the year, you know you're not And it 241 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.240 doesn't really have a lot of good forms. So we're 242 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.519 looking for the kinds of things that we know appeal 243 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.200 to people. These nice, tidy forms, useful three to five 244 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.600 foot size, and I think that size is really important. 245 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:24.759 And the reason that Rick and I I think have 246 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.279 both kind of settled on this size is that the 247 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:32.120 three to five foot range works so well with a house. Sure, 248 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.600 it's like the exact right size if you have a 249 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.679 one story, if you have a two story house, it's 250 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.919 not going to overwhelm. It plays nicely with other plants. 251 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.120 It just really works well for the way that we 252 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.399 tend to live. So I had a huge list. I 253 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:51.120 had to think long and hard about it, and I 254 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:55.000 finally came up with today's plant on trial. It is 255 00:13:55.399 --> 00:14:00.200 wine and spirits. Why Geila, Oh, I can see why okay, 256 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:05.200 so our listeners may potentially be familiar with wine and 257 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.200 roses white Gela, which was actually one of the very 258 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.159 first proven winner's color choy shrubs way way back in 259 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.000 the nineteen nineties. They found it at a nursery in 260 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.919 the Netherlands. And it's crazy to think now because these 261 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.840 dark foliage with pink flower white gela have just become 262 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:25.399 garden cannon, right. They're just people know them. They're so 263 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.440 ubiquitous now that it's hard to imagine that there was 264 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.919 a time where people saw wine and roses and went, oh, 265 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:36.480 my gosh, what is that? And wine and spirits. I 266 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.559 don't know if the answer is right there in the 267 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.679 name or not, but wine and spirits is very much 268 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.919 like wine and roses, except that instead of having the 269 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:49.200 pink flowers, it has white flowers. That's where the spirits 270 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.600 come from. And the foliage I think so on the 271 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.799 wine and Roses and the wine and Roses family, because 272 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:56.799 we have spilled wine, we have very fine wine. So 273 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.679 you can get the wine and roses look in really 274 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.840 any size from a small ground cover to a medium 275 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.840 size to the full wine and roses which is about 276 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.519 four to five foot, so all of those can be 277 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.799 just right depending on your exact situation. But Wine in 278 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.720 Spirits Whygela, it was developed right here in West Michigan 279 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.919 and by Megan Mattia, our plant breeder. It is the foliage, 280 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.120 you know, I think the Wine and Roses foliage is 281 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.320 really it's got like a lot of kind of purply 282 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.200 red in it, and Wine and Spirits is almost black, 283 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.519 like it's got a deep purply black and it just 284 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:34.000 contrasts so beautifully with the flowers. And come late spring, 285 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.000 early summer, that's about Windhygela bloom just absolutely covered in 286 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.919 these white flowers and the contrast is great. So the 287 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.320 thing that makes this just right, besides the fact that 288 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.519 it does indeed get to be three to five feet 289 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.720 tall and wide, so we got the goldilocks size there, 290 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.200 is that you're gonna love those flowers when they come out, 291 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.639 and then even when the flowers finished, because this is 292 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.879 not a reblooming Whitela. I did think about doing a 293 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:01.120 sonic gloom reblooming Whygela instead, but I really felt like 294 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:05.039 the foliage for me, made Wine and Roses a little 295 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:06.840 bit more of a GOLDILOCKX plant because you're getting a 296 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.440 lot more foliage interest out of it, you know, beyond 297 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.159 the time that the whitejela are actually blooming, so that 298 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.720 foliage will carry it through. And the other thing I 299 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.519 really liked about this compared to some of our sonic blooms, 300 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.840 which are beautiful. You know, if you were to see 301 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:23.440 those in bloom in the garden center, you're going to 302 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.440 see a lot of like crazy intense pink color. And 303 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.679 the pink color is beautiful, but if you have a 304 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.200 red brick house, you may not be such a fan 305 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.320 of these bright pink whigelas. So I feel like wine 306 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.799 and Spirits, is that one of those plants you don't 307 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:40.840 have to worry you do? I have to think about, Wait, 308 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:42.759 how is this going to look in front of my house? 309 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:44.480 And if you like the look of bright pink with 310 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.559 your red brick, by all means, go for it. I've 311 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.960 got no judgment here whatsoever. But I did like how 312 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.960 this has sort of that safer and more reliable color 313 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.639 scheme that's literally going to look good no matter what 314 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.039 color your house is. 315 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:00.639 I'd call it elegance. 316 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.519 It is elegant. It's got like a kind of yeah, 317 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.079 formal wear kind of vibe like black. It is like 318 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.400 a black tie. Yeah, And I think another really important 319 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.200 thing about this, A lot of people are familiar with 320 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.599 Why Jela. A lot of people love Whygela. They have 321 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.200 a strong nostalgic connection to it, remembering it from you know, 322 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:22.160 when they were kids at Grandma's And so I think, 323 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.400 you know, if someone were just to be looking for 324 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.559 a plant to add to their landscape or garden this year, 325 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:29.960 and they might say, oh, I'd love Whyjela, but I'm 326 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.880 not going to pick a Wigeela because they're just too 327 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.599 big and you're living in the past there, Because Whyjela 328 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.400 have come a long way since Grandma's time, and now 329 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.599 they do have maybe not quite as neat and tidy 330 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.240 as Spyria, but they definitely have more of these neat, 331 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:47.640 rounded shapes. 332 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:48.359 Absolutely. 333 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.839 So it's really just a new kind of perspective and 334 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.440 a new look for Whyjela that you can bring into 335 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.720 the garden rather than just you know, the big ten 336 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.559 foot by ten foot old fashioned Whigela that Gramma head. 337 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.759 Yeah, and these cultivars like my mo own a Midnight 338 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.279 Sun or the cultivar you're talking about today too, look 339 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.440 fabulous in containers in the garden. 340 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.240 Yeah, definitely, And this would be a great choice. For example, 341 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.640 if you do find it, Yeah, it's gonna look amazing 342 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.759 on the floor in the garden center. But it would 343 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.119 also be fun to put in a decorative container in 344 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.559 your house just for some foliage interest. And then you 345 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:25.440 can always plant it at the end of the season 346 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.319 and just put it straight away into the ground. So 347 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.720 it's an interesting plant. You know. I did think I've 348 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:36.359 already done Midnight Sun why Jila as a plant on trial, 349 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.920 but that is also a strong contender for me for 350 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.000 a goldilot's plant. I did it not that long ago, 351 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:43.559 but this is a plant that you really have to 352 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:45.400 see to believe. I don't want to take away from 353 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.440 Wine and Spirits moment in the spotlight here, but I'll 354 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.319 tell you I love that Midnight Sun why Jila, and 355 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.319 we'll put a link to it. Adriana will throw some 356 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.880 photos into the YouTube version so you can see that 357 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:59.920 and make your own decision. Actually, they grow great to get, 358 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:02.519 so you could definitely you don't have to doesn't have 359 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.400 to be an either or another great thing about Whyjeila 360 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:09.759 dear resistant quite dear resistant, so an important factor for 361 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:11.920 many of us, not all of us, but even if 362 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.880 deer are not an issue for you, yet they certainly 363 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.000 could be coming down the line. You never know when 364 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:20.400 suddenly it's going to be an issue. Now. Also a 365 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.160 good heartiness zone range on wine and spirits by Jeila 366 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:26.920 four to eight, So that's definitely covering the majority of 367 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:32.640 North America, temperate North America where it can grow successfully 368 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.920 without a problem. Again, it's three to five feet tall 369 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.119 and wide. Now, this is a full sun plant. So 370 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:42.119 some Whaijela. Rick was mentioning the Mimonai series, those are 371 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.400 variegated with white and green foliage. Because of all of 372 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.640 that white in their foliage, they are going to be 373 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.279 more shade talerant overall. White Gela is a full sun 374 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.720 plant with those couple of exceptions, but definitely for wine 375 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.319 and spirits. If you want that best dark foliage color, 376 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.359 if you want the most flowers on the plan, it's 377 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:01.799 going to be very important that you give it at 378 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.799 least six hours of bright sun every day and it's 379 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.559 gonna bloom probably late spring early summer. I kind of 380 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.440 think of why Gila as like the transitional flowering shrub 381 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.119 that goes that brings you kind of from spring to 382 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:16.440 early summer because into. 383 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:18.440 The month of June. It feels like June to me. 384 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.440 It kind of has like spring vibes going into summer, 385 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.000 so it's kind of a fun transitional plant. Like I said, 386 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.279 this particular one does not rebloom, but I think that 387 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.960 the foliage more than makes up for it. And it's 388 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.160 a great plant for a hedge if you need a 389 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.839 kind of hedge or you're doing a grouping of plants. 390 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.759 It is a fine specimen plant if you only need 391 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:43.440 to plant one. Its shape really lends itself to all 392 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.079 sorts of different applications in the landscape as well as 393 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:48.720 in the garden, because I think this is the kind 394 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.480 of plant that is actually very worthy of a flower garden. 395 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:52.920 If you have a flower garden, I. 396 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.599 Think there's no question in my mind this is a 397 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.160 Goldie locks just right plant. 398 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:02.119 Well, I'm glad truly, and you can decide for yourself, 399 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.039 because that's what Plants on Trial is all about. To 400 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.559 check us out on YouTube, you can see all the 401 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.000