Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.
It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio podcast and YouTube
show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and our engineer
and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, I loved the story
of Goldielocks and the Three Bears, Goldilocks trying to pick
between the porridge, the chairs, and the bed that isn't
too hard, too soft, too hot, whatever it may be.
And I guess the direction I'm going here is that,
to a degree, we do the same thing in our gardens.
We look for plants that aren't too small, too big,
just right. And I wish I had a dime for
every time someone has walked up to me in the
garden center and said, I want a plant that grows
to three feet tall and then stops and doesn't grow
anymore all the time.
Speaker 2: Three mon I'd love to live in your magical fantasy.
It's not true because I do love huge plants. We
know this. I've talked about it on the show. I
love huge plants. But that doesn't mean that there's not
a place for these so called just right plants, especially
for people who maybe aren't so familiar with the broad
range of options or just want, you know, one simple choice.
And I think that to me, I'm glad you said
three feet because I feel like that's kind of the
sweet spot for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the sweet spot. But you know, it's
important to note that plants have motives. Plants either want
to grow or vine or flour and produce seed or whatever.
They're not just simply growing for our benefit and enjoyment
and stopping at three feet. Yet it's fun to go
down the road of trying to determine are there some
plants out there that kind of fill that bill that,
just like Goldieloe would say, are just right plants that
maybe don't have to have plant supports, which is another
pet peeve of mine, by the way, because when you
go out and you shop for plant supports, it's tough
to find good quality plant supports.
Speaker 2: Good quality and good looking or at least, you know,
which is to say, kind of nondescript. You don't really
want to draw attention to the fact that your plant
needs support. But some plants do need support. I mean,
you know, peenies. Look how much people love them and
they forgive them needing support.
Speaker 1: We all need support now and then. But just right
plants are great for repetition in the landscape. The principle
of three depths foreground, background, but the middle ground separates
the front from the rear, pulls everything together, gives you
an interesting layered view. So the obvious physical property of
a plant is its form. And we don't always think
of the mature or ultimate siloette of a plant, and
yet we should when we place them in a landscape.
And Stacy, I wanted to mention to you right off
the bat that I personally believe in my landscape too.
An example of a just right plant would be the
Celtic pride Siberian cypress.
Speaker 2: That is a great plant. Now that is a bit shorter,
but that is a plant that is almost fool proof.
No matter where you put it, that thing is going
to look great. It's going to do what you intended
to do. Yeah, and just look amazing all you around
because it's evergreen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a favorite of mine, of course. Also, I
think the consummate just right plant in the landscape, my
opinion would be Spyria's. Spyrias just fill the bill. They
do a great job. They can fit in just about anywhere.
Of course, they provide us great foliage color, rounded. Our
horizontal shapes are less dramatic than those with vertical shape.
Of course, vertical Any plants that are vertical really call
for our attention. We've talked about that before. They are
exclamation points. But Spyria really does a great job a
nice rounded habit without pruning. And of course I love
the yellow foliage of let's say, candy corn, because it's
perfect to combine with blue flowers, whether they be perennials
or annual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Spyria are such an interesting plant. I
definitely have had my times of snobbery towards Spyrea. You know,
it's just kind of like, oh, it's just like a
gas station plant. But honestly, the proven winners to double
play Spyria really turned my opinion on them around, and
especially at this time of year. And it's the kind
of thing that like, if you were to read a
description or read the tag, if you're in the garden
center and you hear oh fall, you know in spring,
foliage emerges bright orange or bright red, You're just like, okay, yeah,
that's cool. When you see these things in the landscape
right now. They are glowing. It is almost like a bloom,
a first bloom, because they are going to go on
to flower. And so Spiria, I think are definitely one
of those plants that there's more than meets the eye.
People are initially attracted to that super toughty rounded look.
They say, oh, you know what, I have a spyria.
It looks great, grows round, I don't have to do anything.
It's really pretty. When at flowers, I want more of that.
And the thing is, there is so many more spirias,
so you don't just have to settle for the same
ones that you have. They also go together great exactly.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a plant that fits the bill,
one that I've really had to learn to like because
I didn't really care much for it. Maybe you can
sell me on it, Stacey. And that is inkberry holly
or gembox. Yeah, and I'd kind of put that in
the same description.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too. So this gembox inkberry holly is
something that it's an evergreen. It is a native species
I like sclabra. It's called inkberry holly because back in
the Revolutionary War they actually did use the fruits to
write letters to make it to write letters, and so
it's found abundantly throughout the East Coast, which of course
makes sense for the Revolutionary War. And so we actually
sell these as a native alternative to boxwood, because not
everyone wants to grow a boxwood. People have different, you know,
reasons they may not like them. And this looks a
lot like a boxwood, but it's a native species and
it has white flowers in mid to late spring, which
are actually quite attractive. But really the main thing that
makes gembox different than other ink very hollies that are
out there on the market is that it branches to
the ground. So if you were to see inkbery holly
in the wild, it gets kind of leggy, and that's
just a term for when plants get tall but kind
of bear at the base. And that's perfectly fine in
the woods, but that's not what people want from these
just right plants in their landscape. So this naturally grows
with that nice tight boxwood type shape, but flowers and
is amenable to pruning, and it's native, so it's kind
of a cool and interesting plant. It is not the
reason that I would maybe not quite say, I feel
like an important part of the just right equation here,
the Goldilocks equation is wide adaptability, and this is a
plant that is not especially drought tolerant. I can tell
you this because I have attempted to grow it and
failed because again I don't really water. I'm willing to
get some water at the beginning. But if you were
to find this plant in the wild, it's growing in
like almost swampy ok you know, deep woods area where
the soil is pretty much always at least moist, if
not wet. So just right definitely in terms of the
way it looks, but not quite as adaptable as what
I think a Goldilocks plant should. Because we're trying to,
you know, pitch these plants to the people who are like, whoa,
there's way too many plants out there. Just give me
like five that I can go and look at, and
I'll pick one.
Speaker 1: I knew you'd educate us on the on this plant,
and thank you for doing that. Boxwood is a plant
that I also would put in that category. We're going
to go down a little of plants in segment four
today that are Goldilocks just right plants, and maybe one
or two of them would fit for you. When I
look at spring bloomers to Stacey throughout the years looking
at what has happened with flowering crab trees and how
Lollipop and Showtime and other cultivars again have well basically
been bred to be just right in size as opposed
to overpowering.
Speaker 2: And you know, aside from the size themselves, I mean,
you can't ever go wrong with a crab apple, you know,
if you're looking for a small tree. You know, sometimes
I say about plants, they're just ubiquitous, like everybody has them.
They get a little boring. I don't know if it's
possible to be tired of crab apples. They are just
so entirely lovely. Honestly. If they have one drawback, it's
the deer.
Speaker 1: I agree, I myself can become tired of boxwood. I
have to be.
Speaker 2: Don't come to my garden then fuck again.
Speaker 1: That's from unloading hundreds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I know you've got your own
well earned prejudices about plants in the garden, and I
will give you those happily excellent.
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you a nursery rhyme that I've written.
A nursery rhyme lima a rick once upon a time,
Rex the landscaper listed some plants pen to paper. This
one too big, this one too slight. But this one here,
I guess, is just right. I'm not gonna need shears
to taper. But someone stole his lunch, ate, his bread,
and had taken the tools from his shed. He stepped
this very bad day on a rake lying in his
pathway and fell into his planting bed. Along came his friend,
Goldie Flocks. See what I did, Yes, I do, thank you.
Together they had some good talks. She got them straightened out.
A friendship they would sprout, he realized, Goldie Flos rocks.
So they planted some plants in their prime that they
knew would look good all the time. Not too big,
not too small, they were just right above all. A
happy end to this nursery rhyme.
Speaker 2: Oh that was lovely. That need some illustrations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should start writing kids books.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you got a good start.
Speaker 1: Well, just write plants. Let's see what Stacy has on
her mind in Plants on Trial. That's coming up next
here on the Gardening Simplified.
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goldilocks plants. It's right. They're not too small, they're not
too big. They are just right. Now. This isn't to
say that there's not a spot for small and very
big plants. There are, Yeah, definitely. And I have the
whole gamut from seedums that barely grow to an inch
high in my garden all the way up to you know,
silphium and the like, which get to be ten feet
tall or more. I probably don't have in my art
a lot of these so called just right plants I've got,
but that doesn't mean that there's not a place for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not everybody likes porridge either, that's true. I
have porridge for breakfast every morning. At least I call
it porridge. It's cooked oat brand with some blueberries.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sound very happy about it.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I do it for my cholesterol.
Speaker 2: They're like, I have porridge very morning. Any hopefully it
is at least just right doing something good for you.
But yeah, so there's room for all of these plants.
But I understand again there's so many choices out on
the market that when it comes time for someone, especially
if you know they are working on something in their landscape,
they're replacing a plant. They're just looking to add a
little bit more color. They're not looking for our list
of all time favorite perennials or you know, all of
this kind of stuff. They want just this nice, tidy
short list of plants, and we're going to go over
that more. And you know, that's really in many ways
what we're all about here at Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs.
We do have a lot of smaller kind of groundcovery shrubs,
and we have some that are actually very very large
ten feet or more. So we have something, but most
of them really are in this kind of Goldilocks zone
of roughly three to five feet tall and wide. And
another really important fact part of the of the Goldilocks
equation for me multiple seasons of interest. Yes, you know,
a Goldilocks plant should not be a plant that just
looks fabulous for you know, two weeks, and then the
rest of the year you're just like whatever. You know.
That's why I wouldn't give Forcythia, for example, a Goldilocks
Plant award, because as fabulous as it is right about now,
come on, what do you do in for me the
rest of the year, you know you're not And it
doesn't really have a lot of good forms. So we're
looking for the kinds of things that we know appeal
to people. These nice, tidy forms, useful three to five
foot size, and I think that size is really important.
And the reason that Rick and I I think have
both kind of settled on this size is that the
three to five foot range works so well with a house. Sure,
it's like the exact right size if you have a
one story, if you have a two story house, it's
not going to overwhelm. It plays nicely with other plants.
It just really works well for the way that we
tend to live. So I had a huge list. I
had to think long and hard about it, and I
finally came up with today's plant on trial. It is
wine and spirits. Why Geila, Oh, I can see why okay,
so our listeners may potentially be familiar with wine and
roses white Gela, which was actually one of the very
first proven winner's color choy shrubs way way back in
the nineteen nineties. They found it at a nursery in
the Netherlands. And it's crazy to think now because these
dark foliage with pink flower white gela have just become
garden cannon, right. They're just people know them. They're so
ubiquitous now that it's hard to imagine that there was
a time where people saw wine and roses and went, oh,
my gosh, what is that? And wine and spirits. I
don't know if the answer is right there in the
name or not, but wine and spirits is very much
like wine and roses, except that instead of having the
pink flowers, it has white flowers. That's where the spirits
come from. And the foliage I think so on the
wine and Roses and the wine and Roses family, because
we have spilled wine, we have very fine wine. So
you can get the wine and roses look in really
any size from a small ground cover to a medium
size to the full wine and roses which is about
four to five foot, so all of those can be
just right depending on your exact situation. But Wine in
Spirits Whygela, it was developed right here in West Michigan
and by Megan Mattia, our plant breeder. It is the foliage,
you know, I think the Wine and Roses foliage is
really it's got like a lot of kind of purply
red in it, and Wine and Spirits is almost black,
like it's got a deep purply black and it just
contrasts so beautifully with the flowers. And come late spring,
early summer, that's about Windhygela bloom just absolutely covered in
these white flowers and the contrast is great. So the
thing that makes this just right, besides the fact that
it does indeed get to be three to five feet
tall and wide, so we got the goldilocks size there,
is that you're gonna love those flowers when they come out,
and then even when the flowers finished, because this is
not a reblooming Whitela. I did think about doing a
sonic gloom reblooming Whygela instead, but I really felt like
the foliage for me, made Wine and Roses a little
bit more of a GOLDILOCKX plant because you're getting a
lot more foliage interest out of it, you know, beyond
the time that the whitejela are actually blooming, so that
foliage will carry it through. And the other thing I
really liked about this compared to some of our sonic blooms,
which are beautiful. You know, if you were to see
those in bloom in the garden center, you're going to
see a lot of like crazy intense pink color. And
the pink color is beautiful, but if you have a
red brick house, you may not be such a fan
of these bright pink whigelas. So I feel like wine
and Spirits, is that one of those plants you don't
have to worry you do? I have to think about, Wait,
how is this going to look in front of my house?
And if you like the look of bright pink with
your red brick, by all means, go for it. I've
got no judgment here whatsoever. But I did like how
this has sort of that safer and more reliable color
scheme that's literally going to look good no matter what
color your house is.
Speaker 1: I'd call it elegance.
Speaker 2: It is elegant. It's got like a kind of yeah,
formal wear kind of vibe like black. It is like
a black tie. Yeah, And I think another really important
thing about this, A lot of people are familiar with
Why Jela. A lot of people love Whygela. They have
a strong nostalgic connection to it, remembering it from you know,
when they were kids at Grandma's And so I think,
you know, if someone were just to be looking for
a plant to add to their landscape or garden this year,
and they might say, oh, I'd love Whyjela, but I'm
not going to pick a Wigeela because they're just too
big and you're living in the past there, Because Whyjela
have come a long way since Grandma's time, and now
they do have maybe not quite as neat and tidy
as Spyria, but they definitely have more of these neat,
rounded shapes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: So it's really just a new kind of perspective and
a new look for Whyjela that you can bring into
the garden rather than just you know, the big ten
foot by ten foot old fashioned Whigela that Gramma head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these cultivars like my mo own a Midnight
Sun or the cultivar you're talking about today too, look
fabulous in containers in the garden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And this would be a great choice. For example,
if you do find it, Yeah, it's gonna look amazing
on the floor in the garden center. But it would
also be fun to put in a decorative container in
your house just for some foliage interest. And then you
can always plant it at the end of the season
and just put it straight away into the ground. So
it's an interesting plant. You know. I did think I've
already done Midnight Sun why Jila as a plant on trial,
but that is also a strong contender for me for
a goldilot's plant. I did it not that long ago,
but this is a plant that you really have to
see to believe. I don't want to take away from
Wine and Spirits moment in the spotlight here, but I'll
tell you I love that Midnight Sun why Jila, and
we'll put a link to it. Adriana will throw some
photos into the YouTube version so you can see that
and make your own decision. Actually, they grow great to get,
so you could definitely you don't have to doesn't have
to be an either or another great thing about Whyjeila
dear resistant quite dear resistant, so an important factor for
many of us, not all of us, but even if
deer are not an issue for you, yet they certainly
could be coming down the line. You never know when
suddenly it's going to be an issue. Now. Also a
good heartiness zone range on wine and spirits by Jeila
four to eight, So that's definitely covering the majority of
North America, temperate North America where it can grow successfully
without a problem. Again, it's three to five feet tall
and wide. Now, this is a full sun plant. So
some Whaijela. Rick was mentioning the Mimonai series, those are
variegated with white and green foliage. Because of all of
that white in their foliage, they are going to be
more shade talerant overall. White Gela is a full sun
plant with those couple of exceptions, but definitely for wine
and spirits. If you want that best dark foliage color,
if you want the most flowers on the plan, it's
going to be very important that you give it at
least six hours of bright sun every day and it's
gonna bloom probably late spring early summer. I kind of
think of why Gila as like the transitional flowering shrub
that goes that brings you kind of from spring to
early summer because into.
Speaker 1: The month of June. It feels like June to me.
Speaker 2: It kind of has like spring vibes going into summer,
so it's kind of a fun transitional plant. Like I said,
this particular one does not rebloom, but I think that
the foliage more than makes up for it. And it's
a great plant for a hedge if you need a
kind of hedge or you're doing a grouping of plants.
It is a fine specimen plant if you only need
to plant one. Its shape really lends itself to all
sorts of different applications in the landscape as well as
in the garden, because I think this is the kind
of plant that is actually very worthy of a flower garden.
If you have a flower garden, I.
Speaker 1: Think there's no question in my mind this is a
Goldie locks just right plant.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad truly, and you can decide for yourself,
because that's what Plants on Trial is all about. To
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Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back
to the Gardening Simplified Show, where spring is in full
swing here in Michigan at least. I know some of
our listeners in warmer climbs are like spring, it's practically
summer over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you talk about wine and spirits. Uh
with Gilla, I'm gonna stop whining about winter and the weather.
It's spring is here.
Speaker 2: Spring is here. But you know, I don't want to
complain about the weather. But I mean, this is gardening,
so we have to say a little something. I just
you know, I feel like we have yet to have
one of those days where you're like, this is a
nice day. You know, it's definitely the weather's been improving.
It's certainly nice enough to be outside and working. But
I feel like usually by now we've had at least
one of those days where you're just like, it's spring
and I am so glad to be alive. I mean,
it's spring and I am glad to be alive. But
you know, I just don't have that like buoyant feeling
just yet, just yet. I'm whold out. They'll they'll still
come on, but I feel like normally we'd have one
by now.
Speaker 1: Shorts weather short.
Speaker 2: They definitely have not had any shorts weather yet, at
least here in West Michigan. So we actually last week
talked about native ours, a rather controversial topic, and got
a little bit of feedback from people who maybe had
a little bit of a negative reaction to that, which
is to be expected anytime we dive into a controversial topic,
a very emotionally fraught topic like native plants and native ours.
But one listener, Barbara wrot Us, and I wanted to
read her comment. She says it was refreshing to listen
to the Native Oars episode this week. I love the
idea of a campaign to elevate how important insects are
to our gardens. Since people love birds, it could start
with how and why birds need these insects and insects
need host plants, shrubs and treats. My interest in having
a more native and native ours in my garden happened
when I learned about how chickadees only feeds as babies
caterpillars and needs six thousand to nine thousand caterpillars to
feed the clutch.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Maybe the campaign could be about birds or caterpillars for chickadees.
I love that And I love that too because you know,
I said this last week when you were talking about eight overs.
I garden for insects because I love insects and seeing
a variety of insects in my garden is what I
like the most. Yeah. Sure, I love all the flowers
and the color and the texture and all of that
is great. But to me, like where I get really
excited is if I can go out to a plant
and it is just covered in like ten different types
of insects. Like that is what gets me going, and
that is why when a wren chose my yard to
build a nest into my stoveall woodworking nesting box, I
mean I literally cried because it meant so much to
me that and wrens are also insectivorous like a chickadee,
that there was enough in my yard to feed them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Stacey for me working in the backyard
this past week recognizing that the various woodpeckers that I
love to watch have moved on from the suet cakes
that I would hang out for them in winter to
the trees and they obviously are busy searching for insects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great thing to see. So thank you
for your comment. A Barbara, and we had a question
also related to last week's episode about something that was mentioned.
This is from Judy in Manitoba, Canada, USDA Zone three.
She has an ice ballet Asclepius, which is one of
the plants that Mike Connor talks about. It as a
white milkweed in my perennial garden and it's the only
plant that becomes infested with aphids because it is a
host for monarch caterpillars. How do I deal with the aphids.
Just using a strong jet of water doesn't take care
of them for long. I've tried a spray of soapy water.
Still nothing. What can I use to deal with the
aphids without harming any stage of the monarch life cycle?
Speaker 1: Well, I have the answer, But why don't you go ahead.
Speaker 2: And find the answer. We should hear it from you.
Speaker 1: Well again, coming from the garden center industry, would I
use something you know you'll you'll read on the internet
people will recommend using name. I would not use name.
It's going to affect them, definitely, not exactly even spino set,
but insecticidal soap so in this case, uh Judy mentions
some soapy water. But insecticidal soaps are potassium salts of
fatty acids, and the way they work is their contact insecticides.
So essentially they're able to penetrate the waxy coating of
the outer shell of an aphid. It does not have
residual on the plant. It is a contact control that
affects the outer body of those aphids. So I would
strongly encourage getting an insecticidal soap that's labeled for that
per is considered trying it.
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. Idea. I was also going to potentially
suggest ladybugs. And you know the thing is, when if
you are going to release ladybugs, you darn well better
have a good aphin population for them to start eating
when they come out of that bag. Otherwise they're all
just going to move away because there's nothing for them
to eat. So really, when you have a super intense
aphed infestation like this, that would be the perfect opportunity
to release those ladybugs. And yes, it's absolutely true that
their larva, they're younger stage, eat far more insects, far
more aphids than the ladybugs themselves do the adults. But
they'll still, you know, you'll start to establish that population
in your garden and they'll do a number on it.
And that's why I would recommend ladybugs over something like
praying mantis or something like that, because the praying mantis
will potentially eat the monarch larva if they're able to
get that, So I feel like that's one that will
take care of your issue. I would also say, you know,
as far as this the soap, as far as regular
water goes, I have found when you need to do
that for aphids, you kind of this is gross. Sorry,
but you kind of got to rub them with your
hands and squish them all around. Just knocking them off
the plant isn't enough because aphids are essentially perpetually reproducing.
Aphids can actually be borne pregnant with the next crop
already ready to go and hatch out on your plant.
So even if you you know, just do this so
the water thing, there's still babies on there that you
haven't gotten. So I find you got to really kind
of rub at them. It's not for the faint of heart,
but it does work.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like the contact control of insecticidal soap.
Now that said, don't use it if the butterflies are active, Yeah,
but they're not yet. If they're not yet active and
you have the aphids, I think it's an alternative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: Heidi's writing to us, we experience the higher than usual
amount of deer damage in our garden this winter. Welcome
to the party, Heidi. That's not in here. I'm just
saying that because munching on our roses and hygd ranges
was to be expected, munching our hugh curas to within
an inch of their lives has also happened before, however, Yucca,
that couldn't have been a pleasant experience. But as you
can see in the picture that Heidi sent, they were persistent.
Now we're faced with the problem of trying to get
them looking decent again. They're actually not a favorite, but
they add so much winter interest. I agree, Heidi. I
have them in my landscape that we'd hate to lose them.
Any suggestions on how to rejuvenate. Were located in southeastern
British Columbia, Canada, Zone six B. Heidi, I am in
the exact same zone that you are here on the
lake shore of Lake Michigan here in West Michigan A
six B. I have my yuccas in front, and yes,
this winter it was a long winter and the deer
destroyed my yukkas. I mean, the foliage is so fibrous
it cannot taste good. It cannot. But they were hungry
enough where they destroyed them. I've had this happen before.
Your plants, if well established, are going to bounce back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what you're going to see, if you're joining
us on YouTube to see the pictures of what Heidi
is seeing, is they haven't damaged the yucca like they
would a hydrange or hegro where they munched the whole
thing down. No, what they've done is just munched the
leaf tipsy. So yeah, torn at it. So the really
important thing about a yucca that makes them look so
good in our landscapes is that they are very spear like,
that they have that very sharp point, and that's what
gives them all of that great architectural presence in the garden.
And now they just look like they've had a really
bad haircut. The bad news, I guess, is that that
foliage will never go back, that will not suddenly develop
a new point. So what you're gonna have to do
if you don't want that foliage around is just cut
it off at the base. Now, that's Yuka are tough
as nails. I mean, I don't know if we mentioned
that in our plants you can't kill episode, but we
probably should have because you cannot kill a yuka. I
mean you pretty much sort of like flooding it out
for like days on end. You are not going to
be able to kill a yucca. So I would recommend
that you get your pruners out, or maybe you can
even tear them. Maybe that will be easier. And cut
those damaged leaves off at the base. You may find
that you are left with very little at the end
of that process, but no big deal. It will be
just fine and it will absolutely come back. Yuccas have
a huge storage root that keeps all of that energy
for them to you know, be able to revive, so
there's really nothing that is going to set it back
that bad. And in fact, you know, one of the
things that I do this is kind of maybe sound
a little bit crazy, but I actually when I want
to control yuka, I will actually just take a sh
sharp spade and plunge it in the ground and cut
off the top of my yuca and that will kind
of knock it back to a smaller one, but it
will come out. You know, by the end of the season,
you'll have a new plantlet to replace that one, and
then that can That can be a way to do
that too. That's a way that I manage them so
I don't have to dig them up and disrupt the garden.
But I also they don't get too big and start
shading out their neighbors.
Speaker 1: The approach I take is I just let nature take
its course and they recover from it and part of
the reason I do that is because they're so shredded
right now. I want the deer to feel guilty when
they walk by. It's like, what have you done?
Speaker 2: All right, well, let me know if you get a
picture of that. I'd like to see the guilty look
on their faces. All right, We're going to take a
little break. When we come back, we're going to continue
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for branching news,
we'll go down the list of plants that are Goldilocks
plants just right, not too big, not too small, and
would like to share some of those with you. Stacey,
I wanted to mention right off the top was reading
a perennial plant survey. A recent survey said Echinasia, Salvia,
and Hosta are the top three favorite perennials among respondents.
Does that surprise you not in the least. Yeah, same here.
And of course when you talk about just right, hostas
have to be on the list. There are so many
different cultivars they fill a space. Hostas really seem in
my mind to fill that role, especially in shade of
being that just right size.
Speaker 2: Especially if you don't have to hear, especially if you don't.
But yeah, yeah, they I mean, hostas are such a
go to plant because very much like you were talking
about with boxwood or the gem box ink, very holly,
they're just always at home. You know, you never really
have to worry about a hosta looking too garish or
you know, two out of place. That's just like they're
kind of a can't fail plant that just always looks good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was online doing some reading and I saw an
article the eleven perennial plants that you should not plant,
and I'm like, hmm, this looks interesting, so I open
it up. The first plant recommended not to plant was kudzu,
and I'm like, does anybody really buy kudzu?
Speaker 2: Can you even buy c can you even buy it?
But you know what, people will find it and they'll say, oh,
the flowers are so pretty and then they'll dig it
up from the woods or whatever and bring it home,
and probably is worth mentioning that you should not do that,
because no, you won't find it at garden centers.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's run through the list with some
editorial comment to give you an idea of some of
these types of plants. Stacey, you know, I love ornamental grasses,
but for some people they're just too big, too much maintenance,
too much work. I recommend you plant annual grasses like
the Cultivars skyrocket, beautiful, just the right size, not too big,
not too small. Another one would be a pennacetum lemon squeeze.
Nice controlled shape in that ornamental grass and looks beautiful
again when combined with blue flowers like cats me on
the peta, which is the landscape plant of the year,
because again controlled size doesn't get out of control.
Speaker 2: But I think one ornamental grass that I would recommend
for people who are maybe not so fond of it
or worried about the work h Kana kloa Japanese forest grass,
very low main I agree, Yeah, that's one that you know,
it doesn't have a lot of the liabilities of other
ornamental grasses. Always beautiful. It's just it's so soft looking,
and I've tried to grow it, but it needs a
lot more water than I'm willing to give it to
get established. But once you have a nice patch of
that o hard to beat.
Speaker 1: That plant fits the criteria perfectly. You're right, people love sunflowers.
Take a look at sun Credible. The annual yellow sunflower
stays nice and short, big flowers, gorgeous. I think that
fills the bill. Tuscan sun a perennial sunflower Heliopsis that's
on the list. And then Stacy again, being an old school,
old school garden center guy, it still never ceases to
amaze me the advancement in plants like old fashioned plants
like lilacs or mock orange, the cultivars today, how they
fill the bill, so to speak, of being a just
right plant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, also having that multiple seasons of interest.
You know, not only are the flowers fabulous, but the
fragrance is so so amazing. And then if you have
something like our a new Illuminati sparks variegated one, you're
also getting a lot more foliage interest through the rest
of the season.
Speaker 1: Love that plant. High ranges of course, tiny tough stuff.
We bit grumpy. We've talked about that on the show before.
Firelight Tidbit would be another one. And I even throw
into the mix the cascading hydranges only because again they
you know, they're they're not going to get really really
large and you can kind of let them flow where
they want to go. For me, I consider that a
plant that is just right poll petit rosa Sharon tater
tot arborvitie and then with annuals I love and not
because it's our subject today, but Goldilocks rocks.
Speaker 2: Biden Biden's is a good plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think.
Speaker 2: You're for you know, I like too, So that's if
you're not familiar with us. It's kind of a yellow
daisy like flower and a lot of people love that
look of those you know, cheerful so it kind of
goes along with the sun credible sunflower. You can definitely
have like those cheerful flowers. They make great cut flowers
all summer long.
Speaker 1: Many Vista supertunias, and I'm saying the mini vista supertunias
love that plant. Many different varieties or colors available to you.
Baby tut umbrella grasses Cyparis love that because when I've
grown the standard ones, they've kind of exploded out of
the pot and that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely can. And you know, if you live
in an area with a lot of wind, some of
the really tall ones, if you have a bad storm,
can definitely suffer some damage, where if you've got these smaller,
more compact ones, you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Of course, bud Lea, We've talked about bud Lea before,
but Pugster or lo and behold again, it's going to
fit this Goldie loox just right category.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I want to go back to the Cyparis
the beta tet for a second, because I just realized
if you are looking for a plant to put into
a fabulous ceramic container that has no drainage, these are
a great choice. You know a lot of times people
will do that as a gift. They'll not think about it.
A lot of those ceramic containers without drainage are intended
to be a cash po where you put something else
inside it and then lift it out to water it.
And you're just stuck with this. You're like, I'm not
going to rest drill in this thing because I could
break the whole thing. These cyprus or papyrus are a
perfect choice. They will grow absolutely with no drainage and
do really really well.
Speaker 1: So something to considered and a real thriller in the
center of the container. Question about it, father, gia or
gilla however you want to pronounce it, and we've talked
about that before. A favorite of mine. I would classify
it as a just right in size plant. Boxwood, Like
I mentioned, why all the boxwoods, But I guess people
like boxwoods and of course would sprinter. You get the
deer resistance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's an important part of boxwood. But
I will say for myself, I have a lot of
boxwood in my yard and it's partly from deer resistance
because of the deer. But honestly, for me, why all
the boxwoods is because they I use them for structure
in my garden. So I am not one of those
tidy gardeners that the plants can't touch and everything is
sitting in its own little unique toughet. My garden is
like a jungle, and that's the way I like it.
I like everything knitted together. I like everything competing and riotous. Yeah,
I like it like that. But the nice thing is
by imposing structure with the boxwood, I can get away
with all of that. My yard doesn't look quite so chaotic.
When I impose the structure, it's like quite so chiatic.
There's still some chaos, you know. When you impose the
structure with a boxwood, it lets you get away with
a whole lot more sure. And the great thing too,
boxwood is both sun and shade tolerant. So I have
my half of my front yard which is shady, and
half of my front yard which is sunny, and I
can have boxwood on both sides and they're still going
to do equally well. So it's a nice way to
kind of bring some cohesion throughout my entire yard on
a plant that yeah, goldilocks, because it just always looks good.
I mean almost always.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that and use the word cohesion
because that's what these plants do. They kind of pull
everything together. We talked about four ground background. If they're
repeated throughout the landscape, they help provide some of that cohesion.
So that's really great. Hugh. Kuras are another plant that
I would put in this classification. See hack and a
cloa love that exactly. The new asters that are available today,
I mean asters to me, just say fall. I love
that feels like New England Fall. Love Asters. But the
new varieties, the Crush series, they just stay more controlled
in size and if you love fall in the color
that comes with fall. Some of these new cultivars of asters,
I recommend you try growing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great choices. I love them.
Speaker 1: Color Blaze, Colius Gerbera, Daisies, meteor shower, Verbina. Here's a
plant that's nice and controlled. It's been bred that way.
It's now pretty much sterile. That's a great plant. Lantana
is another annual that I would throw in. You know,
if you're living in California, I could grow to the
size of a shrub. But here in the North, in
the Midwest, well, our winters and our weather pretty much
keeping keeps that plant in small. You mentioned the seedums,
rock and low rock and grow rock and round all
great plants. Jack Frost, heart leaf, Brunner Brunera. Love that
plant too. So there's a real role for these plants
in the landscape. We're gonna call them goldilocks plants, you
call them whatever you want. But Stacy, the fact that
they're just right really fills an important foundation in the
structure of the landscape.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, at the bottom line the end
of the day, what matters is that you like the plan.
That's what makes the plant just right. And so even
though we've kind of given you these parameters, you know,
this spring, as you head out to the garden center,
give yourself time to just walk around and see what
catches your attention, because the plant that's just right is
the one that you actually like.
Speaker 1: It's true, and I'll have porridge again tomorrow morning. Thanks
for tuning in the Gardening Simplified Show. Thank you Stacey,
thank you Rick, thank you Adriana, Thanks to you. Thanks
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