1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,879 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:11,519 It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio podcast and YouTube 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,640 show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and our engineer 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,920 and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, I loved the story 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,440 of Goldielocks and the Three Bears, Goldilocks trying to pick 6 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:28,039 between the porridge, the chairs, and the bed that isn't 7 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:31,839 too hard, too soft, too hot, whatever it may be. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,600 And I guess the direction I'm going here is that, 9 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:39,759 to a degree, we do the same thing in our gardens. 10 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:43,039 We look for plants that aren't too small, too big, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,439 just right. And I wish I had a dime for 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,479 every time someone has walked up to me in the 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,159 garden center and said, I want a plant that grows 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,399 to three feet tall and then stops and doesn't grow 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,640 anymore all the time. 16 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Three mon I'd love to live in your magical fantasy. 17 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,640 It's not true because I do love huge plants. We 18 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:08,599 know this. I've talked about it on the show. I 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,920 love huge plants. But that doesn't mean that there's not 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,040 a place for these so called just right plants, especially 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,200 for people who maybe aren't so familiar with the broad 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,239 range of options or just want, you know, one simple choice. 23 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:25,159 And I think that to me, I'm glad you said 24 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:26,959 three feet because I feel like that's kind of the 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,079 sweet spot for people. 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the sweet spot. But you know, it's 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,840 important to note that plants have motives. Plants either want 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,280 to grow or vine or flour and produce seed or whatever. 29 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:45,560 They're not just simply growing for our benefit and enjoyment 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,439 and stopping at three feet. Yet it's fun to go 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,000 down the road of trying to determine are there some 32 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:58,680 plants out there that kind of fill that bill that, 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,359 just like Goldieloe would say, are just right plants that 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,760 maybe don't have to have plant supports, which is another 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,319 pet peeve of mine, by the way, because when you 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,680 go out and you shop for plant supports, it's tough 37 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,879 to find good quality plant supports. 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: Good quality and good looking or at least, you know, 39 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:21,960 which is to say, kind of nondescript. You don't really 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,080 want to draw attention to the fact that your plant 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,080 needs support. But some plants do need support. I mean, 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,159 you know, peenies. Look how much people love them and 43 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:31,680 they forgive them needing support. 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: We all need support now and then. But just right 45 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:39,879 plants are great for repetition in the landscape. The principle 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,199 of three depths foreground, background, but the middle ground separates 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,599 the front from the rear, pulls everything together, gives you 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,919 an interesting layered view. So the obvious physical property of 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,199 a plant is its form. And we don't always think 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:02,080 of the mature or ultimate siloette of a plant, and 51 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:05,719 yet we should when we place them in a landscape. 52 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:07,840 And Stacy, I wanted to mention to you right off 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,120 the bat that I personally believe in my landscape too. 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,479 An example of a just right plant would be the 55 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,639 Celtic pride Siberian cypress. 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: That is a great plant. Now that is a bit shorter, 57 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:23,840 but that is a plant that is almost fool proof. 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,719 No matter where you put it, that thing is going 59 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,520 to look great. It's going to do what you intended 60 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:31,879 to do. Yeah, and just look amazing all you around 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,680 because it's evergreen. 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a favorite of mine, of course. Also, I 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,280 think the consummate just right plant in the landscape, my 64 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:46,680 opinion would be Spyria's. Spyrias just fill the bill. They 65 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:51,280 do a great job. They can fit in just about anywhere. 66 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,599 Of course, they provide us great foliage color, rounded. Our 67 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:59,759 horizontal shapes are less dramatic than those with vertical shape. 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Of course, vertical Any plants that are vertical really call 69 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,759 for our attention. We've talked about that before. They are 70 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:13,439 exclamation points. But Spyria really does a great job a 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,040 nice rounded habit without pruning. And of course I love 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,879 the yellow foliage of let's say, candy corn, because it's 73 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,399 perfect to combine with blue flowers, whether they be perennials 74 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,920 or annual. 75 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Spyria are such an interesting plant. I 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,199 definitely have had my times of snobbery towards Spyrea. You know, 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,600 it's just kind of like, oh, it's just like a 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,480 gas station plant. But honestly, the proven winners to double 79 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:47,399 play Spyria really turned my opinion on them around, and 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,560 especially at this time of year. And it's the kind 81 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:51,319 of thing that like, if you were to read a 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,319 description or read the tag, if you're in the garden 83 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:55,959 center and you hear oh fall, you know in spring, 84 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,519 foliage emerges bright orange or bright red, You're just like, okay, yeah, 85 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:01,959 that's cool. When you see these things in the landscape 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,399 right now. They are glowing. It is almost like a bloom, 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,920 a first bloom, because they are going to go on 88 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,600 to flower. And so Spiria, I think are definitely one 89 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:12,519 of those plants that there's more than meets the eye. 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,800 People are initially attracted to that super toughty rounded look. 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,480 They say, oh, you know what, I have a spyria. 92 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,839 It looks great, grows round, I don't have to do anything. 93 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:22,920 It's really pretty. When at flowers, I want more of that. 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,519 And the thing is, there is so many more spirias, 95 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:26,800 so you don't just have to settle for the same 96 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,560 ones that you have. They also go together great exactly. 97 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: So I think that that's a plant that fits the bill, 98 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,000 one that I've really had to learn to like because 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,480 I didn't really care much for it. Maybe you can 100 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,480 sell me on it, Stacey. And that is inkberry holly 101 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,279 or gembox. Yeah, and I'd kind of put that in 102 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,279 the same description. 103 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too. So this gembox inkberry holly is 104 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:51,839 something that it's an evergreen. It is a native species 105 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,560 I like sclabra. It's called inkberry holly because back in 106 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,680 the Revolutionary War they actually did use the fruits to 107 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:03,399 write letters to make it to write letters, and so 108 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:06,079 it's found abundantly throughout the East Coast, which of course 109 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,319 makes sense for the Revolutionary War. And so we actually 110 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,879 sell these as a native alternative to boxwood, because not 111 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:16,399 everyone wants to grow a boxwood. People have different, you know, 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,279 reasons they may not like them. And this looks a 113 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,839 lot like a boxwood, but it's a native species and 114 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:25,639 it has white flowers in mid to late spring, which 115 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:28,800 are actually quite attractive. But really the main thing that 116 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:32,839 makes gembox different than other ink very hollies that are 117 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,439 out there on the market is that it branches to 118 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,560 the ground. So if you were to see inkbery holly 119 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,959 in the wild, it gets kind of leggy, and that's 120 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,120 just a term for when plants get tall but kind 121 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,800 of bear at the base. And that's perfectly fine in 122 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,800 the woods, but that's not what people want from these 123 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,839 just right plants in their landscape. So this naturally grows 124 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:57,000 with that nice tight boxwood type shape, but flowers and 125 00:06:57,319 --> 00:06:59,759 is amenable to pruning, and it's native, so it's kind 126 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,720 of a cool and interesting plant. It is not the 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,360 reason that I would maybe not quite say, I feel 128 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:08,800 like an important part of the just right equation here, 129 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:13,439 the Goldilocks equation is wide adaptability, and this is a 130 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,160 plant that is not especially drought tolerant. I can tell 131 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,759 you this because I have attempted to grow it and 132 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,720 failed because again I don't really water. I'm willing to 133 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,720 get some water at the beginning. But if you were 134 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:24,920 to find this plant in the wild, it's growing in 135 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:29,639 like almost swampy ok you know, deep woods area where 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,920 the soil is pretty much always at least moist, if 137 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,240 not wet. So just right definitely in terms of the 138 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,800 way it looks, but not quite as adaptable as what 139 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,240 I think a Goldilocks plant should. Because we're trying to, 140 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:44,879 you know, pitch these plants to the people who are like, whoa, 141 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,720 there's way too many plants out there. Just give me 142 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,399 like five that I can go and look at, and 143 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:49,000 I'll pick one. 144 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: I knew you'd educate us on the on this plant, 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,360 and thank you for doing that. Boxwood is a plant 146 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:59,279 that I also would put in that category. We're going 147 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,480 to go down a little of plants in segment four 148 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:07,480 today that are Goldilocks just right plants, and maybe one 149 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,439 or two of them would fit for you. When I 150 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,120 look at spring bloomers to Stacey throughout the years looking 151 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,040 at what has happened with flowering crab trees and how 152 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:26,199 Lollipop and Showtime and other cultivars again have well basically 153 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,800 been bred to be just right in size as opposed 154 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,600 to overpowering. 155 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,519 Speaker 2: And you know, aside from the size themselves, I mean, 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,600 you can't ever go wrong with a crab apple, you know, 157 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:39,279 if you're looking for a small tree. You know, sometimes 158 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:42,879 I say about plants, they're just ubiquitous, like everybody has them. 159 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:44,600 They get a little boring. I don't know if it's 160 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:47,279 possible to be tired of crab apples. They are just 161 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,879 so entirely lovely. Honestly. If they have one drawback, it's 162 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:52,240 the deer. 163 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: I agree, I myself can become tired of boxwood. I 164 00:08:57,639 --> 00:08:58,000 have to be. 165 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:02,039 Speaker 2: Don't come to my garden then fuck again. 166 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,879 Speaker 1: That's from unloading hundreds. 167 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I know you've got your own 168 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,480 well earned prejudices about plants in the garden, and I 169 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:14,080 will give you those happily excellent. 170 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,399 Speaker 1: Well, let me give you a nursery rhyme that I've written. 171 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:20,960 A nursery rhyme lima a rick once upon a time, 172 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,879 Rex the landscaper listed some plants pen to paper. This 173 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:27,799 one too big, this one too slight. But this one here, 174 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:31,320 I guess, is just right. I'm not gonna need shears 175 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,679 to taper. But someone stole his lunch, ate, his bread, 176 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,759 and had taken the tools from his shed. He stepped 177 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,960 this very bad day on a rake lying in his 178 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:48,279 pathway and fell into his planting bed. Along came his friend, 179 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,080 Goldie Flocks. See what I did, Yes, I do, thank you. 180 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,240 Together they had some good talks. She got them straightened out. 181 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,840 A friendship they would sprout, he realized, Goldie Flos rocks. 182 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,279 So they planted some plants in their prime that they 183 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,639 knew would look good all the time. Not too big, 184 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,240 not too small, they were just right above all. A 185 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,480 happy end to this nursery rhyme. 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: Oh that was lovely. That need some illustrations. 187 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should start writing kids books. 188 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I think you got a good start. 189 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:24,879 Speaker 1: Well, just write plants. Let's see what Stacy has on 190 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,240 her mind in Plants on Trial. That's coming up next 191 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:30,960 here on the Gardening Simplified. 192 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:38,799 Speaker 2: Show, Beautify your Home and Community with proven winner's color 193 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:41,759 Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 194 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,000 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering, shrubber, evergreen for 195 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:48,240 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 196 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,000 white container your local garden center or learn more at 197 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:56,159 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and 198 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,840 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where we're talking 199 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,399 goldilocks plants. It's right. They're not too small, they're not 200 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,000 too big. They are just right. Now. This isn't to 201 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,919 say that there's not a spot for small and very 202 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,600 big plants. There are, Yeah, definitely. And I have the 203 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:14,879 whole gamut from seedums that barely grow to an inch 204 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,960 high in my garden all the way up to you know, 205 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,279 silphium and the like, which get to be ten feet 206 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,000 tall or more. I probably don't have in my art 207 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,559 a lot of these so called just right plants I've got, 208 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,519 but that doesn't mean that there's not a place for them. 209 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, but not everybody likes porridge either, that's true. I 210 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,200 have porridge for breakfast every morning. At least I call 211 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,360 it porridge. It's cooked oat brand with some blueberries. 212 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sound very happy about it. 213 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,159 Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I do it for my cholesterol. 214 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:56,519 Speaker 2: They're like, I have porridge very morning. Any hopefully it 215 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,000 is at least just right doing something good for you. 216 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,559 But yeah, so there's room for all of these plants. 217 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,159 But I understand again there's so many choices out on 218 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,320 the market that when it comes time for someone, especially 219 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,919 if you know they are working on something in their landscape, 220 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:13,919 they're replacing a plant. They're just looking to add a 221 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:17,519 little bit more color. They're not looking for our list 222 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,360 of all time favorite perennials or you know, all of 223 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 this kind of stuff. They want just this nice, tidy 224 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,840 short list of plants, and we're going to go over 225 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,000 that more. And you know, that's really in many ways 226 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,399 what we're all about here at Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. 227 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 We do have a lot of smaller kind of groundcovery shrubs, 228 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,159 and we have some that are actually very very large 229 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,279 ten feet or more. So we have something, but most 230 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,559 of them really are in this kind of Goldilocks zone 231 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,039 of roughly three to five feet tall and wide. And 232 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:49,720 another really important fact part of the of the Goldilocks 233 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,200 equation for me multiple seasons of interest. Yes, you know, 234 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,200 a Goldilocks plant should not be a plant that just 235 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,559 looks fabulous for you know, two weeks, and then the 236 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,120 rest of the year you're just like whatever. You know. 237 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,840 That's why I wouldn't give Forcythia, for example, a Goldilocks 238 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:08,120 Plant award, because as fabulous as it is right about now, 239 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,360 come on, what do you do in for me the 240 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,639 rest of the year, you know you're not And it 241 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,240 doesn't really have a lot of good forms. So we're 242 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:16,519 looking for the kinds of things that we know appeal 243 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,200 to people. These nice, tidy forms, useful three to five 244 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,600 foot size, and I think that size is really important. 245 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:24,759 And the reason that Rick and I I think have 246 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,279 both kind of settled on this size is that the 247 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,120 three to five foot range works so well with a house. Sure, 248 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 it's like the exact right size if you have a 249 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,679 one story, if you have a two story house, it's 250 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,919 not going to overwhelm. It plays nicely with other plants. 251 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 It just really works well for the way that we 252 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,399 tend to live. So I had a huge list. I 253 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,120 had to think long and hard about it, and I 254 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:55,000 finally came up with today's plant on trial. It is 255 00:13:55,399 --> 00:14:00,200 wine and spirits. Why Geila, Oh, I can see why okay, 256 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,200 so our listeners may potentially be familiar with wine and 257 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,200 roses white Gela, which was actually one of the very 258 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,159 first proven winner's color choy shrubs way way back in 259 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,000 the nineteen nineties. They found it at a nursery in 260 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,919 the Netherlands. And it's crazy to think now because these 261 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 dark foliage with pink flower white gela have just become 262 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:25,399 garden cannon, right. They're just people know them. They're so 263 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,440 ubiquitous now that it's hard to imagine that there was 264 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,919 a time where people saw wine and roses and went, oh, 265 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,480 my gosh, what is that? And wine and spirits. I 266 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:38,559 don't know if the answer is right there in the 267 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:41,679 name or not, but wine and spirits is very much 268 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,919 like wine and roses, except that instead of having the 269 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:49,200 pink flowers, it has white flowers. That's where the spirits 270 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,600 come from. And the foliage I think so on the 271 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,799 wine and Roses and the wine and Roses family, because 272 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:56,799 we have spilled wine, we have very fine wine. So 273 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,679 you can get the wine and roses look in really 274 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,840 any size from a small ground cover to a medium 275 00:15:02,879 --> 00:15:04,840 size to the full wine and roses which is about 276 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,519 four to five foot, so all of those can be 277 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,799 just right depending on your exact situation. But Wine in 278 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,720 Spirits Whygela, it was developed right here in West Michigan 279 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,919 and by Megan Mattia, our plant breeder. It is the foliage, 280 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,120 you know, I think the Wine and Roses foliage is 281 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,320 really it's got like a lot of kind of purply 282 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,200 red in it, and Wine and Spirits is almost black, 283 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,519 like it's got a deep purply black and it just 284 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,000 contrasts so beautifully with the flowers. And come late spring, 285 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,000 early summer, that's about Windhygela bloom just absolutely covered in 286 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:40,919 these white flowers and the contrast is great. So the 287 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,320 thing that makes this just right, besides the fact that 288 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,519 it does indeed get to be three to five feet 289 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,720 tall and wide, so we got the goldilocks size there, 290 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,200 is that you're gonna love those flowers when they come out, 291 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:54,639 and then even when the flowers finished, because this is 292 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:56,879 not a reblooming Whitela. I did think about doing a 293 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:01,120 sonic gloom reblooming Whygela instead, but I really felt like 294 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,039 the foliage for me, made Wine and Roses a little 295 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:06,840 bit more of a GOLDILOCKX plant because you're getting a 296 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:09,440 lot more foliage interest out of it, you know, beyond 297 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:14,159 the time that the whitejela are actually blooming, so that 298 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,720 foliage will carry it through. And the other thing I 299 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,519 really liked about this compared to some of our sonic blooms, 300 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,840 which are beautiful. You know, if you were to see 301 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,440 those in bloom in the garden center, you're going to 302 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,440 see a lot of like crazy intense pink color. And 303 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,679 the pink color is beautiful, but if you have a 304 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,200 red brick house, you may not be such a fan 305 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,320 of these bright pink whigelas. So I feel like wine 306 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,799 and Spirits, is that one of those plants you don't 307 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:40,840 have to worry you do? I have to think about, Wait, 308 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:42,759 how is this going to look in front of my house? 309 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,480 And if you like the look of bright pink with 310 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:46,559 your red brick, by all means, go for it. I've 311 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:49,960 got no judgment here whatsoever. But I did like how 312 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,960 this has sort of that safer and more reliable color 313 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:57,639 scheme that's literally going to look good no matter what 314 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,039 color your house is. 315 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:00,639 Speaker 1: I'd call it elegance. 316 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,519 Speaker 2: It is elegant. It's got like a kind of yeah, 317 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,079 formal wear kind of vibe like black. It is like 318 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:10,400 a black tie. Yeah, And I think another really important 319 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,200 thing about this, A lot of people are familiar with 320 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,599 Why Jela. A lot of people love Whygela. They have 321 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,200 a strong nostalgic connection to it, remembering it from you know, 322 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,160 when they were kids at Grandma's And so I think, 323 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,400 you know, if someone were just to be looking for 324 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,559 a plant to add to their landscape or garden this year, 325 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,960 and they might say, oh, I'd love Whyjela, but I'm 326 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,880 not going to pick a Wigeela because they're just too 327 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,599 big and you're living in the past there, Because Whyjela 328 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,400 have come a long way since Grandma's time, and now 329 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:42,599 they do have maybe not quite as neat and tidy 330 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,240 as Spyria, but they definitely have more of these neat, 331 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:47,640 rounded shapes. 332 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 333 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,839 Speaker 2: So it's really just a new kind of perspective and 334 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,440 a new look for Whyjela that you can bring into 335 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,720 the garden rather than just you know, the big ten 336 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,559 foot by ten foot old fashioned Whigela that Gramma head. 337 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and these cultivars like my mo own a Midnight 338 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,279 Sun or the cultivar you're talking about today too, look 339 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:10,440 fabulous in containers in the garden. 340 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And this would be a great choice. For example, 341 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:16,640 if you do find it, Yeah, it's gonna look amazing 342 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,759 on the floor in the garden center. But it would 343 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,119 also be fun to put in a decorative container in 344 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,559 your house just for some foliage interest. And then you 345 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:25,440 can always plant it at the end of the season 346 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:30,319 and just put it straight away into the ground. So 347 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,720 it's an interesting plant. You know. I did think I've 348 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:36,359 already done Midnight Sun why Jila as a plant on trial, 349 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,920 but that is also a strong contender for me for 350 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 a goldilot's plant. I did it not that long ago, 351 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,559 but this is a plant that you really have to 352 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:45,400 see to believe. I don't want to take away from 353 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,440 Wine and Spirits moment in the spotlight here, but I'll 354 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,319 tell you I love that Midnight Sun why Jila, and 355 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:53,319 we'll put a link to it. Adriana will throw some 356 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,880 photos into the YouTube version so you can see that 357 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,920 and make your own decision. Actually, they grow great to get, 358 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:02,519 so you could definitely you don't have to doesn't have 359 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:05,400 to be an either or another great thing about Whyjeila 360 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,759 dear resistant quite dear resistant, so an important factor for 361 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,920 many of us, not all of us, but even if 362 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,880 deer are not an issue for you, yet they certainly 363 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,000 could be coming down the line. You never know when 364 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:20,400 suddenly it's going to be an issue. Now. Also a 365 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,160 good heartiness zone range on wine and spirits by Jeila 366 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:26,920 four to eight, So that's definitely covering the majority of 367 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,640 North America, temperate North America where it can grow successfully 368 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,920 without a problem. Again, it's three to five feet tall 369 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,119 and wide. Now, this is a full sun plant. So 370 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,119 some Whaijela. Rick was mentioning the Mimonai series, those are 371 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,400 variegated with white and green foliage. Because of all of 372 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,640 that white in their foliage, they are going to be 373 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,279 more shade talerant overall. White Gela is a full sun 374 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,720 plant with those couple of exceptions, but definitely for wine 375 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,319 and spirits. If you want that best dark foliage color, 376 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:00,359 if you want the most flowers on the plan, it's 377 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,799 going to be very important that you give it at 378 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,799 least six hours of bright sun every day and it's 379 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:08,559 gonna bloom probably late spring early summer. I kind of 380 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,440 think of why Gila as like the transitional flowering shrub 381 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,119 that goes that brings you kind of from spring to 382 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,440 early summer because into. 383 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: The month of June. It feels like June to me. 384 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: It kind of has like spring vibes going into summer, 385 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:25,000 so it's kind of a fun transitional plant. Like I said, 386 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,279 this particular one does not rebloom, but I think that 387 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,960 the foliage more than makes up for it. And it's 388 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,160 a great plant for a hedge if you need a 389 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,839 kind of hedge or you're doing a grouping of plants. 390 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:38,759 It is a fine specimen plant if you only need 391 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:43,440 to plant one. Its shape really lends itself to all 392 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,079 sorts of different applications in the landscape as well as 393 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:48,720 in the garden, because I think this is the kind 394 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,480 of plant that is actually very worthy of a flower garden. 395 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:52,920 If you have a flower garden, I. 396 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:55,599 Speaker 1: Think there's no question in my mind this is a 397 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:58,160 Goldie locks just right plant. 398 00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad truly, and you can decide for yourself, 399 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,039 because that's what Plants on Trial is all about. To 400 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,559 check us out on YouTube, you can see all the 401 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,000 pictures there, or of course go to proven Winner's Color 402 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,359 Choice dot com and you can learn even more about 403 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,559 it there, and it will be in your local garden 404 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:16,519 center this spring if you want to see it in person. 405 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,400 We're gonna take a little break. When you come back, 406 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,640 we're opening up the garden mail leg so please stay tuned. 407 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:30,480 At Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs, we know that a 408 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,559 better landscape starts with a better shrub. Our team of 409 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,680 experts tests and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs in 410 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,119 evergreens for eight to ten years to ensure they outperform 411 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,440 what's already on the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs 412 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,599 to accentuate your home and express your personal style, look 413 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:50,440 for Proven Winner's Shrubs in the distinctive white container at 414 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,119 your local garden center, or learn more at proven Winner's 415 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,599 Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back 416 00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:02,680 to the Gardening Simplified Show, where spring is in full 417 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:05,559 swing here in Michigan at least. I know some of 418 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:09,000 our listeners in warmer climbs are like spring, it's practically 419 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:09,880 summer over here. 420 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you talk about wine and spirits. Uh 421 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,359 with Gilla, I'm gonna stop whining about winter and the weather. 422 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:19,519 It's spring is here. 423 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: Spring is here. But you know, I don't want to 424 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,240 complain about the weather. But I mean, this is gardening, 425 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:28,880 so we have to say a little something. I just 426 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:31,599 you know, I feel like we have yet to have 427 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400 one of those days where you're like, this is a 428 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,640 nice day. You know, it's definitely the weather's been improving. 429 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,519 It's certainly nice enough to be outside and working. But 430 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,720 I feel like usually by now we've had at least 431 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,880 one of those days where you're just like, it's spring 432 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,920 and I am so glad to be alive. I mean, 433 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,960 it's spring and I am glad to be alive. But 434 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,720 you know, I just don't have that like buoyant feeling 435 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,279 just yet, just yet. I'm whold out. They'll they'll still 436 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,119 come on, but I feel like normally we'd have one 437 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,480 by now. 438 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,759 Speaker 1: Shorts weather short. 439 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,799 Speaker 2: They definitely have not had any shorts weather yet, at 440 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:10,160 least here in West Michigan. So we actually last week 441 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,519 talked about native ours, a rather controversial topic, and got 442 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,960 a little bit of feedback from people who maybe had 443 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,000 a little bit of a negative reaction to that, which 444 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:26,000 is to be expected anytime we dive into a controversial topic, 445 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,079 a very emotionally fraught topic like native plants and native ours. 446 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,559 But one listener, Barbara wrot Us, and I wanted to 447 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,119 read her comment. She says it was refreshing to listen 448 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,359 to the Native Oars episode this week. I love the 449 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,359 idea of a campaign to elevate how important insects are 450 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,400 to our gardens. Since people love birds, it could start 451 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,359 with how and why birds need these insects and insects 452 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,599 need host plants, shrubs and treats. My interest in having 453 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,200 a more native and native ours in my garden happened 454 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,880 when I learned about how chickadees only feeds as babies 455 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,240 caterpillars and needs six thousand to nine thousand caterpillars to 456 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:02,119 feed the clutch. 457 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,559 Speaker 1: Wow. 458 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: Maybe the campaign could be about birds or caterpillars for chickadees. 459 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:09,440 I love that And I love that too because you know, 460 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,599 I said this last week when you were talking about eight overs. 461 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,799 I garden for insects because I love insects and seeing 462 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,480 a variety of insects in my garden is what I 463 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,640 like the most. Yeah. Sure, I love all the flowers 464 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,119 and the color and the texture and all of that 465 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,039 is great. But to me, like where I get really 466 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,039 excited is if I can go out to a plant 467 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,480 and it is just covered in like ten different types 468 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:35,319 of insects. Like that is what gets me going, and 469 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:40,759 that is why when a wren chose my yard to 470 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,920 build a nest into my stoveall woodworking nesting box, I 471 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,000 mean I literally cried because it meant so much to 472 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:53,880 me that and wrens are also insectivorous like a chickadee, 473 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,799 that there was enough in my yard to feed them. 474 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, and Stacey for me working in the backyard 475 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,119 this past week recognizing that the various woodpeckers that I 476 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,359 love to watch have moved on from the suet cakes 477 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,160 that I would hang out for them in winter to 478 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,240 the trees and they obviously are busy searching for insects. 479 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great thing to see. So thank you 480 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,039 for your comment. A Barbara, and we had a question 481 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,440 also related to last week's episode about something that was mentioned. 482 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,960 This is from Judy in Manitoba, Canada, USDA Zone three. 483 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,799 She has an ice ballet Asclepius, which is one of 484 00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:36,559 the plants that Mike Connor talks about. It as a 485 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,839 white milkweed in my perennial garden and it's the only 486 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,160 plant that becomes infested with aphids because it is a 487 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880 host for monarch caterpillars. How do I deal with the aphids. 488 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,519 Just using a strong jet of water doesn't take care 489 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,759 of them for long. I've tried a spray of soapy water. 490 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,880 Still nothing. What can I use to deal with the 491 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160 aphids without harming any stage of the monarch life cycle? 492 00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,319 Speaker 1: Well, I have the answer, But why don't you go ahead. 493 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,759 Speaker 2: And find the answer. We should hear it from you. 494 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: Well again, coming from the garden center industry, would I 495 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,480 use something you know you'll you'll read on the internet 496 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,359 people will recommend using name. I would not use name. 497 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,279 It's going to affect them, definitely, not exactly even spino set, 498 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,720 but insecticidal soap so in this case, uh Judy mentions 499 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,000 some soapy water. But insecticidal soaps are potassium salts of 500 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:37,279 fatty acids, and the way they work is their contact insecticides. 501 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,039 So essentially they're able to penetrate the waxy coating of 502 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,319 the outer shell of an aphid. It does not have 503 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:51,200 residual on the plant. It is a contact control that 504 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,680 affects the outer body of those aphids. So I would 505 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,680 strongly encourage getting an insecticidal soap that's labeled for that 506 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:01,880 per is considered trying it. 507 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. Idea. I was also going to potentially 508 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,359 suggest ladybugs. And you know the thing is, when if 509 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,599 you are going to release ladybugs, you darn well better 510 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,599 have a good aphin population for them to start eating 511 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,920 when they come out of that bag. Otherwise they're all 512 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,839 just going to move away because there's nothing for them 513 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,279 to eat. So really, when you have a super intense 514 00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,680 aphed infestation like this, that would be the perfect opportunity 515 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,880 to release those ladybugs. And yes, it's absolutely true that 516 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,319 their larva, they're younger stage, eat far more insects, far 517 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,240 more aphids than the ladybugs themselves do the adults. But 518 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,680 they'll still, you know, you'll start to establish that population 519 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,839 in your garden and they'll do a number on it. 520 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,440 And that's why I would recommend ladybugs over something like 521 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,599 praying mantis or something like that, because the praying mantis 522 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,240 will potentially eat the monarch larva if they're able to 523 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,319 get that, So I feel like that's one that will 524 00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,920 take care of your issue. I would also say, you know, 525 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,759 as far as this the soap, as far as regular 526 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,279 water goes, I have found when you need to do 527 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,799 that for aphids, you kind of this is gross. Sorry, 528 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:09,079 but you kind of got to rub them with your 529 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,519 hands and squish them all around. Just knocking them off 530 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,759 the plant isn't enough because aphids are essentially perpetually reproducing. 531 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,880 Aphids can actually be borne pregnant with the next crop 532 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,720 already ready to go and hatch out on your plant. 533 00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:27,839 So even if you you know, just do this so 534 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,359 the water thing, there's still babies on there that you 535 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200 haven't gotten. So I find you got to really kind 536 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,079 of rub at them. It's not for the faint of heart, 537 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,240 but it does work. 538 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,759 Speaker 1: And that's why I like the contact control of insecticidal soap. 539 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:44,400 Now that said, don't use it if the butterflies are active, Yeah, 540 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,519 but they're not yet. If they're not yet active and 541 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,480 you have the aphids, I think it's an alternative. 542 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. 543 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Heidi's writing to us, we experience the higher than usual 544 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,799 amount of deer damage in our garden this winter. Welcome 545 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,799 to the party, Heidi. That's not in here. I'm just 546 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,240 saying that because munching on our roses and hygd ranges 547 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,319 was to be expected, munching our hugh curas to within 548 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:14,160 an inch of their lives has also happened before, however, Yucca, 549 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,039 that couldn't have been a pleasant experience. But as you 550 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,960 can see in the picture that Heidi sent, they were persistent. 551 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:23,880 Now we're faced with the problem of trying to get 552 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000 them looking decent again. They're actually not a favorite, but 553 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,920 they add so much winter interest. I agree, Heidi. I 554 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,119 have them in my landscape that we'd hate to lose them. 555 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,519 Any suggestions on how to rejuvenate. Were located in southeastern 556 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,319 British Columbia, Canada, Zone six B. Heidi, I am in 557 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,559 the exact same zone that you are here on the 558 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,640 lake shore of Lake Michigan here in West Michigan A 559 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,640 six B. I have my yuccas in front, and yes, 560 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,839 this winter it was a long winter and the deer 561 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:05,039 destroyed my yukkas. I mean, the foliage is so fibrous 562 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:09,480 it cannot taste good. It cannot. But they were hungry 563 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,559 enough where they destroyed them. I've had this happen before. 564 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,559 Your plants, if well established, are going to bounce back. 565 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. So what you're going to see, if you're joining 566 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,279 us on YouTube to see the pictures of what Heidi 567 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,240 is seeing, is they haven't damaged the yucca like they 568 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,480 would a hydrange or hegro where they munched the whole 569 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,640 thing down. No, what they've done is just munched the 570 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,759 leaf tipsy. So yeah, torn at it. So the really 571 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,039 important thing about a yucca that makes them look so 572 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,920 good in our landscapes is that they are very spear like, 573 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,559 that they have that very sharp point, and that's what 574 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,079 gives them all of that great architectural presence in the garden. 575 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,519 And now they just look like they've had a really 576 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,920 bad haircut. The bad news, I guess, is that that 577 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,720 foliage will never go back, that will not suddenly develop 578 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,920 a new point. So what you're gonna have to do 579 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,759 if you don't want that foliage around is just cut 580 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,119 it off at the base. Now, that's Yuka are tough 581 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,119 as nails. I mean, I don't know if we mentioned 582 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,480 that in our plants you can't kill episode, but we 583 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,039 probably should have because you cannot kill a yuka. I 584 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,359 mean you pretty much sort of like flooding it out 585 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,119 for like days on end. You are not going to 586 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,599 be able to kill a yucca. So I would recommend 587 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,440 that you get your pruners out, or maybe you can 588 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,480 even tear them. Maybe that will be easier. And cut 589 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,240 those damaged leaves off at the base. You may find 590 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,319 that you are left with very little at the end 591 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,960 of that process, but no big deal. It will be 592 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,799 just fine and it will absolutely come back. Yuccas have 593 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,319 a huge storage root that keeps all of that energy 594 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,000 for them to you know, be able to revive, so 595 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,559 there's really nothing that is going to set it back 596 00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,880 that bad. And in fact, you know, one of the 597 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,000 things that I do this is kind of maybe sound 598 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,599 a little bit crazy, but I actually when I want 599 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 to control yuka, I will actually just take a sh 600 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,599 sharp spade and plunge it in the ground and cut 601 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,079 off the top of my yuca and that will kind 602 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,319 of knock it back to a smaller one, but it 603 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,039 will come out. You know, by the end of the season, 604 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:13,440 you'll have a new plantlet to replace that one, and 605 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,960 then that can That can be a way to do 606 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,680 that too. That's a way that I manage them so 607 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,160 I don't have to dig them up and disrupt the garden. 608 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:21,319 But I also they don't get too big and start 609 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:22,319 shading out their neighbors. 610 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,079 Speaker 1: The approach I take is I just let nature take 611 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,720 its course and they recover from it and part of 612 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:32,519 the reason I do that is because they're so shredded 613 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,839 right now. I want the deer to feel guilty when 614 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,200 they walk by. It's like, what have you done? 615 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: All right, well, let me know if you get a 616 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,160 picture of that. I'd like to see the guilty look 617 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,920 on their faces. All right, We're going to take a 618 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680 little break. When we come back, we're going to continue 619 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:54,319 our conversation about Goldilock's plants, so please stay tuned. Thanks 620 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,960 for listening to the Gardening Simplified Podcast, brought to you 621 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000 by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flow 622 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,960 orange shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested by experts 623 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160 with your success in mind. Learn more at Proven winnerscolor 624 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,799 Choice dot com. 625 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for branching news, 626 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,119 we'll go down the list of plants that are Goldilocks 627 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,319 plants just right, not too big, not too small, and 628 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,640 would like to share some of those with you. Stacey, 629 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880 I wanted to mention right off the top was reading 630 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,960 a perennial plant survey. A recent survey said Echinasia, Salvia, 631 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,279 and Hosta are the top three favorite perennials among respondents. 632 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,559 Does that surprise you not in the least. Yeah, same here. 633 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680 And of course when you talk about just right, hostas 634 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,799 have to be on the list. There are so many 635 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:51,720 different cultivars they fill a space. Hostas really seem in 636 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,119 my mind to fill that role, especially in shade of 637 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960 being that just right size. 638 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: Especially if you don't have to hear, especially if you don't. 639 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000 But yeah, yeah, they I mean, hostas are such a 640 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,839 go to plant because very much like you were talking 641 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,799 about with boxwood or the gem box ink, very holly, 642 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,559 they're just always at home. You know, you never really 643 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,239 have to worry about a hosta looking too garish or 644 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,880 you know, two out of place. That's just like they're 645 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,960 kind of a can't fail plant that just always looks good. Yeah. 646 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: I was online doing some reading and I saw an 647 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,639 article the eleven perennial plants that you should not plant, 648 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,800 and I'm like, hmm, this looks interesting, so I open 649 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,280 it up. The first plant recommended not to plant was kudzu, 650 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,800 and I'm like, does anybody really buy kudzu? 651 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: Can you even buy c can you even buy it? 652 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,360 But you know what, people will find it and they'll say, oh, 653 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,039 the flowers are so pretty and then they'll dig it 654 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,920 up from the woods or whatever and bring it home, 655 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,360 and probably is worth mentioning that you should not do that, 656 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,800 because no, you won't find it at garden centers. 657 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's run through the list with some 658 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,599 editorial comment to give you an idea of some of 659 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,920 these types of plants. Stacey, you know, I love ornamental grasses, 660 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,360 but for some people they're just too big, too much maintenance, 661 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,000 too much work. I recommend you plant annual grasses like 662 00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:13,480 the Cultivars skyrocket, beautiful, just the right size, not too big, 663 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:18,639 not too small. Another one would be a pennacetum lemon squeeze. 664 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,159 Nice controlled shape in that ornamental grass and looks beautiful 665 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,280 again when combined with blue flowers like cats me on 666 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,480 the peta, which is the landscape plant of the year, 667 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,280 because again controlled size doesn't get out of control. 668 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 2: But I think one ornamental grass that I would recommend 669 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,800 for people who are maybe not so fond of it 670 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,480 or worried about the work h Kana kloa Japanese forest grass, 671 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:50,199 very low main I agree, Yeah, that's one that you know, 672 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,800 it doesn't have a lot of the liabilities of other 673 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:59,000 ornamental grasses. Always beautiful. It's just it's so soft looking, 674 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,320 and I've tried to grow it, but it needs a 675 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,840 lot more water than I'm willing to give it to 676 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,199 get established. But once you have a nice patch of 677 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:07,639 that o hard to beat. 678 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: That plant fits the criteria perfectly. You're right, people love sunflowers. 679 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,440 Take a look at sun Credible. The annual yellow sunflower 680 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,480 stays nice and short, big flowers, gorgeous. I think that 681 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,199 fills the bill. Tuscan sun a perennial sunflower Heliopsis that's 682 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,960 on the list. And then Stacy again, being an old school, 683 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,679 old school garden center guy, it still never ceases to 684 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,360 amaze me the advancement in plants like old fashioned plants 685 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,039 like lilacs or mock orange, the cultivars today, how they 686 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,760 fill the bill, so to speak, of being a just 687 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,639 right plant. 688 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, also having that multiple seasons of interest. 689 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,800 You know, not only are the flowers fabulous, but the 690 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,840 fragrance is so so amazing. And then if you have 691 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,079 something like our a new Illuminati sparks variegated one, you're 692 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,960 also getting a lot more foliage interest through the rest 693 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,480 of the season. 694 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,159 Speaker 1: Love that plant. High ranges of course, tiny tough stuff. 695 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:14,000 We bit grumpy. We've talked about that on the show before. 696 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,719 Firelight Tidbit would be another one. And I even throw 697 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,360 into the mix the cascading hydranges only because again they 698 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,559 you know, they're they're not going to get really really 699 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,559 large and you can kind of let them flow where 700 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,440 they want to go. For me, I consider that a 701 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,599 plant that is just right poll petit rosa Sharon tater 702 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,760 tot arborvitie and then with annuals I love and not 703 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,280 because it's our subject today, but Goldilocks rocks. 704 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: Biden Biden's is a good plan. 705 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think. 706 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,039 Speaker 2: You're for you know, I like too, So that's if 707 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,480 you're not familiar with us. It's kind of a yellow 708 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,880 daisy like flower and a lot of people love that 709 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,119 look of those you know, cheerful so it kind of 710 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,639 goes along with the sun credible sunflower. You can definitely 711 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,119 have like those cheerful flowers. They make great cut flowers 712 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:08,800 all summer long. 713 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:15,079 Speaker 1: Many Vista supertunias, and I'm saying the mini vista supertunias 714 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,360 love that plant. Many different varieties or colors available to you. 715 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,320 Baby tut umbrella grasses Cyparis love that because when I've 716 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,360 grown the standard ones, they've kind of exploded out of 717 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,400 the pot and that way. 718 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely can. And you know, if you live 719 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,760 in an area with a lot of wind, some of 720 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,000 the really tall ones, if you have a bad storm, 721 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,119 can definitely suffer some damage, where if you've got these smaller, 722 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:41,880 more compact ones, you don't have to worry about it. 723 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Of course, bud Lea, We've talked about bud Lea before, 724 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,800 but Pugster or lo and behold again, it's going to 725 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,599 fit this Goldie loox just right category. 726 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: Oh wait, I want to go back to the Cyparis 727 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,400 the beta tet for a second, because I just realized 728 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,840 if you are looking for a plant to put into 729 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,079 a fabulous ceramic container that has no drainage, these are 730 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,559 a great choice. You know a lot of times people 731 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,599 will do that as a gift. They'll not think about it. 732 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,880 A lot of those ceramic containers without drainage are intended 733 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,679 to be a cash po where you put something else 734 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,360 inside it and then lift it out to water it. 735 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,320 And you're just stuck with this. You're like, I'm not 736 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,719 going to rest drill in this thing because I could 737 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,480 break the whole thing. These cyprus or papyrus are a 738 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,320 perfect choice. They will grow absolutely with no drainage and 739 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,159 do really really well. 740 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: So something to considered and a real thriller in the 741 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,840 center of the container. Question about it, father, gia or 742 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,519 gilla however you want to pronounce it, and we've talked 743 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,800 about that before. A favorite of mine. I would classify 744 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,360 it as a just right in size plant. Boxwood, Like 745 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480 I mentioned, why all the boxwoods, But I guess people 746 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,840 like boxwoods and of course would sprinter. You get the 747 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,719 deer resistance. 748 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's an important part of boxwood. But 749 00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,599 I will say for myself, I have a lot of 750 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,480 boxwood in my yard and it's partly from deer resistance 751 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:08,280 because of the deer. But honestly, for me, why all 752 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,679 the boxwoods is because they I use them for structure 753 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,000 in my garden. So I am not one of those 754 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,960 tidy gardeners that the plants can't touch and everything is 755 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,159 sitting in its own little unique toughet. My garden is 756 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,480 like a jungle, and that's the way I like it. 757 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:29,119 I like everything knitted together. I like everything competing and riotous. Yeah, 758 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,559 I like it like that. But the nice thing is 759 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,960 by imposing structure with the boxwood, I can get away 760 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,159 with all of that. My yard doesn't look quite so chaotic. 761 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,360 When I impose the structure, it's like quite so chiatic. 762 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,519 There's still some chaos, you know. When you impose the 763 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,760 structure with a boxwood, it lets you get away with 764 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,159 a whole lot more sure. And the great thing too, 765 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,039 boxwood is both sun and shade tolerant. So I have 766 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,800 my half of my front yard which is shady, and 767 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,519 half of my front yard which is sunny, and I 768 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,519 can have boxwood on both sides and they're still going 769 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,960 to do equally well. So it's a nice way to 770 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:07,039 kind of bring some cohesion throughout my entire yard on 771 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,840 a plant that yeah, goldilocks, because it just always looks good. 772 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,920 I mean almost always. 773 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,159 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that and use the word cohesion 774 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,039 because that's what these plants do. They kind of pull 775 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:23,559 everything together. We talked about four ground background. If they're 776 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,280 repeated throughout the landscape, they help provide some of that cohesion. 777 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,480 So that's really great. Hugh. Kuras are another plant that 778 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,239 I would put in this classification. See hack and a 779 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,559 cloa love that exactly. The new asters that are available today, 780 00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:47,000 I mean asters to me, just say fall. I love 781 00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:51,239 that feels like New England Fall. Love Asters. But the 782 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,239 new varieties, the Crush series, they just stay more controlled 783 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,360 in size and if you love fall in the color 784 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,320 that comes with fall. Some of these new cultivars of asters, 785 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,639 I recommend you try growing. 786 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, great choices. I love them. 787 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: Color Blaze, Colius Gerbera, Daisies, meteor shower, Verbina. Here's a 788 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,039 plant that's nice and controlled. It's been bred that way. 789 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:21,480 It's now pretty much sterile. That's a great plant. Lantana 790 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,320 is another annual that I would throw in. You know, 791 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,360 if you're living in California, I could grow to the 792 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,719 size of a shrub. But here in the North, in 793 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,039 the Midwest, well, our winters and our weather pretty much 794 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,920 keeping keeps that plant in small. You mentioned the seedums, 795 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,159 rock and low rock and grow rock and round all 796 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:47,559 great plants. Jack Frost, heart leaf, Brunner Brunera. Love that 797 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,159 plant too. So there's a real role for these plants 798 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,360 in the landscape. We're gonna call them goldilocks plants, you 799 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,400 call them whatever you want. But Stacy, the fact that 800 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:04,719 they're just right really fills an important foundation in the 801 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,320 structure of the landscape. 802 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,599 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, at the bottom line the end 803 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,079 of the day, what matters is that you like the plan. 804 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,400 That's what makes the plant just right. And so even 805 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,719 though we've kind of given you these parameters, you know, 806 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,599 this spring, as you head out to the garden center, 807 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,440 give yourself time to just walk around and see what 808 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,639 catches your attention, because the plant that's just right is 809 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:25,679 the one that you actually like. 810 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: It's true, and I'll have porridge again tomorrow morning. Thanks 811 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,320 for tuning in the Gardening Simplified Show. Thank you Stacey, 812 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,559 thank you Rick, thank you Adriana, Thanks to you. Thanks 813 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,440 for watching on YouTube, listening to our radio show, and 814 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,920 listening to the podcast. Have yourself a great week.