Speaker 1: All right, welcome everybody. Today. I have with me the
Speaker 1: one and only Nick Bryant. He is of course published
Speaker 1: at the same publisher as myself as Sotary College with
Speaker 1: three by the way, we'll be out in the next
Speaker 1: few weeks, so get your signed copies at the shop.
Speaker 1: You can also get Nick's books as well in the
Speaker 1: trin Day shop. Nick, how you.
Speaker 2: Doing, I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: Jay, How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. It's you know, it's a massive Trump failure. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: not that I don't have a problem criticizing Trump, but
Speaker 1: I was hoping for better. So today we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about an area that Nick is an expert in,
Speaker 1: which is the whole domain of Jeff's nine mceffrey or
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, if we're now using his full name, Nick,
Speaker 1: how do you want to kick this off? And you
Speaker 1: are somewhat of an expert in this, So how did
Speaker 1: you get involved, first of all in studying Epstein? Then
Speaker 1: we'll get into the case and where it's gone. Now.
Speaker 3: I wrote a book which is published by Trying Day
Speaker 3: called The Franklin Scanalist Story of Brokers How to Be
Speaker 3: Some Betrayal, And in that book I was I worked
Speaker 3: on for seven years, and it was about a huge
Speaker 3: child trafficking network. In some ways, Epstein is kind of
Speaker 3: a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal. And it was
Speaker 3: published in two thousand and nine, two thousand and can
Speaker 3: and we couldn't get anybody to touch it. I live
Speaker 3: in New York City, I live in the mecca of publishing,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't get And I had a lot of
Speaker 3: buddies that in media, and one helped me, but it
Speaker 3: didn't His help was somewhat ineffectual, and no editors, no
Speaker 3: publishers wanted to touch it because I thought I could
Speaker 3: get some attention on it, but accusing the government of
Speaker 3: basically covering up a child traving.
Speaker 2: Network in the very least, people didn't want to hear that.
Speaker 3: And so the book published two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
Speaker 3: and I really I put all the money I had
Speaker 3: on it. I'm kind of a gambler. Not you won't
Speaker 3: find me in casinos. But I moved to New York
Speaker 3: City in nineteen ninety five. I'd been an academic for
Speaker 3: five years and I moved to New York City in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five to start a freelance writing career, and
Speaker 3: I didn't get a I said to myself, well, should
Speaker 3: I get a.
Speaker 2: Like a part time job or something like that.
Speaker 3: And I said, no, I'm going to dedicate every day
Speaker 3: to getty writing gigs, and if I end up in
Speaker 3: the park, I end up in the park. Well that time,
Speaker 3: I did not end up in the park. Actually I
Speaker 3: ended up in a pretty nice apartment. So in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, twenty ten, I had about a year's
Speaker 3: worth of money and I just said, I'm going to
Speaker 3: focus on trying to sell the Franklin schedule. And then
Speaker 3: I couldn't find anybody to touch it. And I worked
Speaker 3: and worked and worked, and I had friends that were
Speaker 3: that had their own columns and newspapers, guys that I'd
Speaker 3: known I'm from Minneapolis, Guys that I'd known back in Minneapolis,
Speaker 3: and they still wouldn't touch it. And actually, you know,
Speaker 3: I knew that most of my friends were going to
Speaker 3: be spineless, and most of the people in the media
Speaker 3: were going to be spineless, but I didn't think all
Speaker 3: of them were going to be spineless. And only one
Speaker 3: of them has apologized to me, which and I think
Speaker 3: that that's really cool, and we're good friends today. But
Speaker 3: you know, he said, I could have helped you more, Nick,
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry I didn't. Anyway, I started seeing these
Speaker 3: articles about Epstein and it was very obvious that he
Speaker 3: had a voracious appetite for underage girls. And then I
Speaker 3: looked at the grand jury that found that he wasn't well.
Speaker 3: I knew that there was a grand jury that found
Speaker 3: that he hadn't abused a single child. So that gun
Speaker 3: on my radar really quickly of something that I needed
Speaker 3: to investigate. And point I had some extra money, and
Speaker 3: I flew down to Florida, and this was two thousand
Speaker 3: and two, and then I got his.
Speaker 1: Black Book, and not early in two thousand and two, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the.
Speaker 3: Black Book, and then I started calling and the Black
Speaker 3: Book has well over one hundred Epstein victims too, so
Speaker 3: I victims, and they were telling me that they were
Speaker 3: being flown around, and they were also telling me about
Speaker 3: an island. And at that point point I was, I
Speaker 3: think the only journalist to know that Epsteam was running.
Speaker 2: In a network and he had an island.
Speaker 3: And so I came back to New York City and
Speaker 3: I was pitching the Black Book and no one wanted
Speaker 3: to touch it. I mean, nobody wanted to touch it.
Speaker 3: And it was the same cognitive dissonance that I experienced
Speaker 3: when I was pitching Franklin. I would talk to these
Speaker 3: editors and I would talk to these publis, and they
Speaker 3: would say I could just see him thinking, you know,
Speaker 3: this is a really horrible story. I need to help
Speaker 3: Nick brian or I can take door B, which is
Speaker 3: I can write Nick brian Off is crazy, and I
Speaker 3: can have a nice dinner with my family tonight.
Speaker 2: And they altered Door B. And then finally I met.
Speaker 3: John Cook, who was the editor in chief of Gonker
Speaker 3: at that point and which has since been suited into oblivion,
Speaker 3: and he was willing to do it, and I said,
Speaker 3: we need to redact the people's numbers, and we also
Speaker 3: need to redact the victim's last names and their numbers,
Speaker 3: and he was cool with that. So we published a
Speaker 3: Black Book. And then at that point I had flight
Speaker 3: logs too. I was the first guy to release flight logs.
Speaker 3: And I wrote an article about the flight logs and
Speaker 3: the Black Book, and we put them both up and.
Speaker 2: Then now here's what's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: So once the Black Book was the floodgates opened on
Speaker 3: the Black Book and every major media started to talk
Speaker 3: about the Black Book, and one guy, I think it
Speaker 3: was Mother Jones, called every name in the Black Book,
Speaker 3: and of course everybody said, I don't know, I don't have.
Speaker 2: Anything about Epstein.
Speaker 3: But anyway, only two mainstream media outlets even acknowledged that
Speaker 3: it was me that I shared the Black Book to
Speaker 3: the Internet. And I don't know, maybe you get accused
Speaker 3: of this, but on public media or social media, people say, well,
Speaker 3: you know, Nick Bryant's just in here to control the narrative,
Speaker 3: and he's obviously a limited hangout. And I put the
Speaker 3: Black Book on the Internet and I didn't reenact anybody's names,
Speaker 3: and two publications even acknowledged that it was me. So
Speaker 3: I didn't do a very good job of controlling the
Speaker 3: narrative on the Black Book. And then I just started
Speaker 3: and at that point i'd or a little bit.
Speaker 2: Down the road.
Speaker 3: I met some Epstein victims and then I started talking
Speaker 3: to them, and what they were telling me was very
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: It was similar to the Franklin Network.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe that the government was covering this
Speaker 3: up again in broad daylight, in front of everybody, and
Speaker 3: like it's trying to do now. And at that point
Speaker 3: I started a protest.
Speaker 2: I put together a demonstration against this.
Speaker 3: Is during Delaine Maxwell's trial, which was really perfidious. There
Speaker 3: were only four victims that were called, and those four
Speaker 3: victims had been exclusively molested by Epstein and Maxwell, and
Speaker 3: the US attorney overseen that trial, also oversaw the Diddy
Speaker 3: grand jury. So again we see people getting recycled. Donald
Speaker 3: Barr covered up the Franklin scandal when he was the
Speaker 3: attorney general under Bush two, under Bush one, and then
Speaker 3: he covered up the Franklin's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he of course makes an appearance right away
Speaker 1: in Whitney Webb's book and volume two, and you know
Speaker 1: she notes that he was his dad was oss right
Speaker 1: Bar senior. So we have from the very beginning the
Speaker 1: connections to the intelligence agencies. And this I think applies
Speaker 1: to Epstein as well. Right, we have Epstein being basically
Speaker 1: an owner of multiple passports. We have people from you know,
Speaker 1: Acosta says years ago, I was told not to touch
Speaker 1: this guy. He's intelligence that plays a huge factor in this.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, right, yes.
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Speaker 1: Back to what you were saying about intelligence connections, what.
Speaker 3: William Barr is definitely an intelligence he and as even
Speaker 3: on his White Watch Borkipedia pages, he says that he
Speaker 3: was in the CIA for a number of years. And
Speaker 3: it's also interesting that his father hired Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a.
Speaker 3: Teja dollon school and Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout
Speaker 3: from a blue Colarge family. His dad was a gardener
Speaker 3: for the City of New York. And after the demonstration,
Speaker 3: I'd met Epstein victims during the demonstration and after the demonstration,
Speaker 3: and then at that point I could see that the
Speaker 3: government was going to cover this up, and I started
Speaker 3: Epstein Justice, which were what we're trying to do is
Speaker 3: get a Truth and Reconciliation Commission from Congress to actually
Speaker 3: investigate Jeffrey Epstein. This is something that needs to be investigated.
Speaker 1: And when we go back to his background, I think
Speaker 1: this is really crucial because I did an interview with
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who's a Cold War historian buff
Speaker 1: and he went deep into even getting into like the
Speaker 1: KGB archives in terms of some of the colonels in
Speaker 1: the KGB files and information that they had on Epstein
Speaker 1: that was only recently translated into English. And what's interesting
Speaker 1: is that even the KGB knew that Max Sancuse, Maxwell
Speaker 1: Senior Robert was the sort of odd international you know,
Speaker 1: mega cutout you could say, for British intelligence, it seems like,
Speaker 1: as well as other intelligence agencies MASSAD as well. So
Speaker 1: there's sort of like this higher level game that sort
Speaker 1: of plays above the dialectic of East and the West
Speaker 1: and the Cold War. And I want to ask you
Speaker 1: the question, do you think that probably what happened here
Speaker 1: was that you had you know, Maxwell and just Lane
Speaker 1: sort of running this operation that he had sort of
Speaker 1: perfected in the Cold War, and then they recruited Jeffrey
Speaker 1: into being kind of the newer, updated version of the
Speaker 1: same blackmail operation.
Speaker 3: That's an entirely plausible scenario. Ery Ben Minashi says, that
Speaker 3: Maxwell hooked Episosode because he thought that they would be
Speaker 3: sweethearts together. And then ultimately that Glaine was inundated with
Speaker 3: Israeli intelligence or Massad. And not only that, do we
Speaker 3: have Alexander Acosta. Well, Alexander Acosta, as you said, was
Speaker 3: told he was a US attorney for Southern Florida and
Speaker 3: he was told to stand down on Epstein because Epstein
Speaker 3: was intelligence. Now, if you look at how our government functions,
Speaker 3: there's only two people in our government that can tell
Speaker 3: a US attorney to stand down. I went to a
Speaker 3: number of legal scholars and I'm talking to them about this.
Speaker 3: There's two people, the Attorney general and the president. And
Speaker 3: the Attorney General at that time was Alberto Gonzalez, and
Speaker 3: the president was George Bush too, so and Alberto Gonzalez
Speaker 3: as an attorney genal he's not going to cover up
Speaker 3: a nationwide pedophile network unless his boss tells him to.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's he's not going to preemptively do that,
Speaker 3: and his boss obviously told him to.
Speaker 2: So in two thousand and seven, there.
Speaker 3: Was you saw the Bush administration just completely quash this,
Speaker 3: and then every administration after that has continued to cover it.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 3: And when Epstein was arrested the second time and at
Speaker 3: Teterborough Airport in twenty nineteen, this is where we started
Speaker 3: getting end up problems with the Trump cover story. The
Speaker 3: MBI opened up his safe the next day and they
Speaker 3: took out a lot of discs.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: According to Business Insider, they took out hard drives too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's those pictures we've seen where they're carrying out
Speaker 1: right at these stacks, and you've got these CD wrongs right.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: The New York Times reported that there were hundreds, possibly
Speaker 3: thousands of images of child abuse material.
Speaker 2: So when that strange memo came out last week.
Speaker 3: That no one signed, no one was willing to sign,
Speaker 3: I did agree with some of the things. I do
Speaker 3: believe that there were over three hundred gigabytes of child
Speaker 3: abuse material taken out of Epstein's safe.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: BONDI was going to release the quote unquote Epstein files
Speaker 3: or Epstein list. It was on her desk, and then
Speaker 3: she released a nothing sandwich, and I do get a kickout.
Speaker 3: I released more incriminating information on Epstein in twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: than she released in the Black Book. I saw a
Speaker 3: copy of the Black Book that was released and everybody's
Speaker 3: name was redacted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember finding a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: it must have been the one that I think it
Speaker 1: was from that Mother Jones thing, because it has to
Speaker 1: be the one that you originally had put up and
Speaker 1: it had all the names still there and the numbers
Speaker 1: still there. So when everybody saw this, it was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this? You know, this this folder
Speaker 1: SYP photo show shoot that they did what a few
Speaker 1: year ago, a few months ago? This you know, these
Speaker 1: prepackaged binders that they gave out. That was so ridiculous with.
Speaker 3: The influencers, and you none of those influencers have screamed
Speaker 3: for any kind.
Speaker 2: Of truth since then. I guess they know where their
Speaker 2: bread is buttered.
Speaker 3: But BONDI, her first live was that she wanted us
Speaker 3: to believe that the FBI and whatever dark, malignant corner
Speaker 3: of intelligence deploys people like Epstein hadn't looked at that
Speaker 3: stuff that had been taken out of Epstein's safe. I
Speaker 3: mean that they had to look at it all they'd
Speaker 3: been looking at that. They were looking at it, they
Speaker 3: took it out, they were looking at it. They probably
Speaker 3: didn't even sleep because there were a number of people
Speaker 3: that were looking at it, so that is a complete
Speaker 3: fabrication on her part. And then she said, well, I
Speaker 3: was bamboozled by the FBI, and so that either shows
Speaker 3: that she's lying or a napt I mean, depending upon
Speaker 3: how you want to look at And I would kind
Speaker 3: of lean towards a neck. She kind of reminds me
Speaker 3: of a step Fard Attorney General anyway, So with her,
Speaker 3: and then she said, and then she got herself into
Speaker 3: deeper water when she said, I will the only thing
Speaker 3: that will be redacted is.
Speaker 2: Things I could have a bearing on national security.
Speaker 3: Now she has to explain to us what a bunch
Speaker 3: of child molesters have.
Speaker 2: With national security.
Speaker 3: So she kept on begging herself deeper and deeper and deeper,
Speaker 3: and then the memo came out.
Speaker 2: That strange memo.
Speaker 3: And I do agree that there was over three hundred
Speaker 3: gigabytes of child abuse material taken out of Epstein's closet,
Speaker 3: and I do agree that there were over one thousand
Speaker 3: Ebstein victims.
Speaker 2: I agree with those things.
Speaker 3: I adamantly disagree that Jeffrey Epstein molested all those girls
Speaker 3: by himself, and I adamantly disagreed that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't
Speaker 3: involved in black mail, and the Trump administration put a
Speaker 3: white elephant in the living room by saying that they
Speaker 3: were going to release the files and how much how
Speaker 3: profuse those files were, and then they decided to kill
Speaker 3: the white elephant. But the problem is the white elephant
Speaker 3: might be dead, but it's still in the living room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was such an optics nightmare. Idiot. It was
Speaker 1: so stupid to do. I can't fathom. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's incompetence or just like just
Speaker 1: if it's boomers who don't understand how media works now
Speaker 1: that like they're not understanding that this isn't going to work,
Speaker 1: and like I haven't seen anybody buying this except for
Speaker 1: you know, Israel Firster's Ben Shapiro. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: only people that are buying this, is people like that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what they It's just a disaster
Speaker 1: from every perspective. But maybe they're forced into it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, if it is a real
Speaker 1: high power blackmail material, then it absolutely makes sense that
Speaker 1: calls were made, threats were made, people were told you
Speaker 1: better not release this. You know, who knows what all
Speaker 1: is in there and who's implicated. But you know, we
Speaker 1: have Ehud Barak visiting Epstein's residence in New York what
Speaker 1: eight times or so according to the mainstream and Israeli media.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty obvious what's going on here, and
Speaker 1: you being expert in the Franklin the scandal in this
Speaker 1: one as well. I mean, I'm sure you see you
Speaker 1: see all these parallels before we go onto the blackmail
Speaker 1: stuff and what you're getting in with Bondie. I did
Speaker 1: want to ask something that something that nobody's really bringing up,
Speaker 1: which is in the first few chapters of Whitney's book,
Speaker 1: which is the economics Wall Street area connection. Nobody's really
Speaker 1: talking about how a lot of his early machinations comes
Speaker 1: out of you know, Bear Stearns and these big Ponzi
Speaker 1: scheme collapse, seeing entities on Wall Street back in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, and that you know, Maxwell was this
Speaker 1: sort of a vulture capitalist takeover expert. Is there something
Speaker 1: maybe in the economic Wall Street realm that's a big
Speaker 1: part of this that people are just only fixating on,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Gates going to the island or something
Speaker 1: like that. Is there something else, maybe that's a huge
Speaker 1: angle to this that you think maybe people are missing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when I initially got into this, and Les Wexner,
Speaker 3: who's a billionaire head of L brands, gave Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 3: power of attorney I think it was in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: seven over his entire empire. He just basically gave Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein the keys to his kingdom. And I can't believe this.
Speaker 3: I mean, the mainstream media has been so disingenuous about
Speaker 3: this about Ebstein. But Vanity Fair, which one would think
Speaker 3: of is a relatively sophisticated magazine, said that less Wexner,
Speaker 3: I mean, and they said this, I mean, the difference
Speaker 3: between truth and fiction is fiction has to make sense.
Speaker 3: But Vanity Fair said, the reason why Les Wexner gave
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his mast fortune is
Speaker 3: because he was lonely. He was lonely. And then you've
Speaker 3: got Leon Black, head of Apollo, who Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 3: also pandering children too, and is just an all around scumbag.
Speaker 3: He gave Jeffrey one hundred and sixteen million dollars and
Speaker 3: now not There were a couple of media outlets that
Speaker 3: report it on this, not just Vanity Fair. I mean
Speaker 3: I don't know if Fanny Fair, but there were other
Speaker 3: These media outlets reported that Leon Black gave Jeffrey Ebbs
Speaker 3: seeing one hundred and sixty million dollars because Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 3: was helping him with his taxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, the cover stores are so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I mean, Leon Black probably has two or three floors
Speaker 3: of accountants, so he doesn't have to pay a penny
Speaker 3: more in taxes, which probably isn't very much. Probably you
Speaker 3: and I paid more taxes than Leon Black, but I
Speaker 3: and initially I thought this was all blackmail. I mean
Speaker 3: that was my idea of it because I'd seen it
Speaker 3: happen in the Franklin scandal. I'm actually thinking that Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein was cleaning money, that he was cleaning dirty money.
Speaker 3: He was cleaning dirty money through Wexner, he was cleaning
Speaker 3: dirty money through Leon Black, and god knows who else
Speaker 3: he was cleaning dirty money through. So that is a
Speaker 3: major component of this. Less Wesner didn't give him power
Speaker 3: of attorney because he was lonely. I'm black, He's cleaning
Speaker 3: dirty money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. Like, uh, these connections that
Speaker 1: are are ignored and really covered up in the media,
Speaker 1: especially with in regard to Wexner. I think those are
Speaker 1: big indicators the whole early phase of being at Wall Street.
Speaker 1: It's a huge indicator also to that those odd connections
Speaker 1: with Koshoge and you know, arms dealing individuals, Like you're
Speaker 1: not involved in all of that, if you're just some
Speaker 1: sort of you know, low level, uh, you know, degenerate
Speaker 1: guy who's you know, just sleeping around, which is how
Speaker 1: they're trying to portray it now, like he's just you know,
Speaker 1: this one bad apphole, degenerate or something.
Speaker 3: No what he did have him and koshog and notorious
Speaker 3: armsdeer who is ultimately murdered, and he was connected to.
Speaker 1: And right.
Speaker 2: Peasans.
Speaker 3: So Emstein is ensconced in this intelligence operation where he's
Speaker 3: not only blackmailing people, but I think he's also cleaning people's.
Speaker 1: Money, right exactly as we know.
Speaker 3: The CIA has various funny mechanisms that are quite dirty,
Speaker 3: and someone has to claim that money. And I knew
Speaker 3: someone who knew William Colby. He was the director of
Speaker 3: the CIA, and during the seventies that were the Church area.
Speaker 1: And all that Phoenix program.
Speaker 3: And he came out and he talked about the Phoenix program.
Speaker 3: Colin help pro all kinds of other Malfi's, the assassination
Speaker 3: programs that were and William Colby, I think, as far
Speaker 3: as a CI director goes, he wasn't a bad guy.
Speaker 2: As far as the CI director goes, Now, that's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of latitude. But William Colby had told someone who
Speaker 3: I leave one of his main he had two main
Speaker 3: regrets about his time in the CIA. And here's a
Speaker 3: guy that like oversaw in the Phoenix program, which was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But his two main regrets were that the CIA created
Speaker 3: some funding mechanisms so I didn't have to listen to Congress,
Speaker 3: and they were And the reason why the CI decided
Speaker 3: to do that is, and I understand this to a
Speaker 3: certain degree, Joseph Stalin had the hydrogen bond, and Joseph
Speaker 3: Stalin was an individual that really didn't.
Speaker 2: Put much of a premium amount of human life.
Speaker 3: So I can understand why the CI would think, well,
Speaker 3: fighting now Stalin has the hydrogen bomb, fighting communism is
Speaker 3: too important to be left to politicians.
Speaker 2: So I understand that. And they started creating their own.
Speaker 3: Funding mechanisms and Kobe regretted that, and he said that
Speaker 3: we just should have in retrosp we shouldn't have done
Speaker 3: that because it gave us too much autonomy. And he
Speaker 3: almosto said to this individual that he and he had
Speaker 3: kind of re embraced Catholicism.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm aware of that, and that might have been
Speaker 1: why he met, you know, a mysterious demise on his
Speaker 1: boat where he seems to have disappeared when he was
Speaker 1: out boating one day. Do you think that's a little
Speaker 1: a little suss.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the story, I just want to say
Speaker 3: one thing else, and this really would have gotten him
Speaker 3: in trouble. He had misgivings, strong misgivings about the sea.
Speaker 3: I've gotten a children, that's the other thing that right,
Speaker 3: And I don't think this individual who said that was lying.
Speaker 3: William Kobe went canoeing in April. He was under the
Speaker 3: weather and he didn't have any shoes.
Speaker 6: So I mean, if people think that he fell out
Speaker 6: of his canoe and drowned and then they found his
Speaker 6: body basically where they found the canoe some days later,
Speaker 6: so it was I mean, this is just my extrapolation.
Speaker 3: I think that he was worked over a little bit
Speaker 3: and find found out whoever organ him over wanted to
Speaker 3: find out what he talked to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Maxwell had a boating accident too, right,
Speaker 1: or that's the story.
Speaker 2: At least he fell out of his Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I've been told that Maxwell Maxwell dain Mashwell's father.
Speaker 2: He had a publishing empire, and.
Speaker 3: He Pilford the retirement savings of all the workers.
Speaker 2: And I've been told by ry Ben Manashian.
Speaker 3: Some of the stuff that he says is really right
Speaker 3: on and some of it isn't. But he said that
Speaker 3: Maxwell was he wanted to pay that money back, and
Speaker 3: that he was trying to leverage the Israeli intelligence to
Speaker 3: massade and when you try to blackmail intelligence agencies.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really work very right.
Speaker 1: That was history, Yeah, I mean I could see that.
Speaker 1: And now that pilfering retirement is interesting because this seems
Speaker 1: to pop up a lot in these scandals, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're you're very familiar with. You've noticed that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've read Paul Williams's book on Gladio,
Speaker 1: because that one's fascinating where he ties in the the
Speaker 1: Colby side of you know, that era of the Cold War,
Speaker 1: where you know, Kobe Cobe was really in a in
Speaker 1: a in a way adjacent to Gladio UH and the
Speaker 1: drug funding that went into that. But he also notes
Speaker 1: that when when this was set up in Italy, the
Speaker 1: way that he alleged Kischener set it up was that
Speaker 1: they had this sort of structure where the P two
Speaker 1: Lodge and various late Leccio Gelli and other members of
Speaker 1: that Masonic order, they were able to blackmail a lot
Speaker 1: of the Italian politicians and Curia and that in the
Speaker 1: the bankled Ambrosio scandal, there was also the pilfering of
Speaker 1: people's retirements, So this seems to be a recurring pattern too.
Speaker 1: Is like there's blackmail, but the blackmail isn't just blackmail,
Speaker 1: there's also you know, usually attendance with that some form
Speaker 1: of economic crime.
Speaker 2: Well, these people are predatory psychopaths. I mean, they don't
Speaker 2: care if they take someone's retirement pension. Sure, it's not
Speaker 2: going to be a big deal to them.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they're willing to pander children last, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: stealing people's retirement pensions aren't going to be a big
Speaker 3: deal to them. So getting back to that strange memo
Speaker 3: that was released by the Department of Justice and the
Speaker 3: FBI last week that no one signed. It said that
Speaker 3: Epstein molested over a thousand girls by himself, that he
Speaker 3: didn't have any help, didn't pander any of them, had
Speaker 3: no role in ci or blackmail. And they must think
Speaker 3: that Americans are really, really stupid, because when about two
Speaker 3: months after Epstein moffed himself for ostensibly often himself, depending
Speaker 3: on your perspective, the New York Times published an article
Speaker 3: and it named six of Epstein's pimps. One was Glaine Maxwell,
Speaker 3: and was Sarah Call and this was when Maxwell, and
Speaker 3: the rest one was Blaine Maxwell, Sarah Hellen, Leslie Groth,
Speaker 3: Adriana Ross, Naddie Marsenkova, and Haley Robson. And actually Robson
Speaker 3: admitted to that journalist that she had plundered her high
Speaker 3: school to.
Speaker 2: Get underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: To molest but Killen, Groff, Ross, and Marson Covid. They
Speaker 3: know what went on. They were integral to Jeffrey Epstein's machine,
Speaker 3: and as far as pimping the girls and the logistics
Speaker 3: of it, they were integral.
Speaker 2: And we've known about their names.
Speaker 3: Just if we just took that New York Times article
Speaker 3: from August of twenty nineteen that would give us, that
Speaker 3: would give the Department of Justice enough information to start
Speaker 3: indicting Kellen Ross and Noddy Marson. Coba that there's enough
Speaker 3: information in that article to indict them and once they weren't.
Speaker 3: And child trafficking is a heavy, heavy sentence in the
Speaker 3: federal system.
Speaker 2: It's fifteen years.
Speaker 3: To life, and you charge them with five or six
Speaker 3: concept john trafficking, which wouldn't be easy because they were
Speaker 3: trafficking children for years and they were looking at five
Speaker 3: or six lifetimes in prisons. They'd roll over on the
Speaker 3: purpose and a heartbeat if they thought they were right,
Speaker 3: could be protected. So just that in and of itself
Speaker 3: is enough information. She completely wipe out what that document
Speaker 3: is saying that.
Speaker 1: Jeffreys, Yeah, that's that's amazing. Now, what do you think
Speaker 1: about this recent story that just Lene is saying that
Speaker 1: she will tell everybody everything? Is this silly? Is this real?
Speaker 1: What do you think's going on here?
Speaker 3: In the Fraanklin scandal, there were two pimps. One was
Speaker 3: Lawrence King of Omaha and one was Craig Spencer Washington, DC.
Speaker 3: Spence ended up killing himself, and I do believe a
Speaker 3: lot of people on the internet have speculated that Spence
Speaker 3: was suicided. I do believe that he was told either
Speaker 3: you can kill yourself or we can kill you. Because
Speaker 3: Spence went to the rich Carleton in Boston who was
Speaker 3: in a tuxedo, and he wrote a number of things,
Speaker 3: and then he took an over dose of no tripling,
Speaker 3: which is a anti depressidant. Now, King, when this started to
Speaker 3: break with King, he was picked up by US marshals
Speaker 3: and taken to the Federal Hospital in Springfield, Missouri. And
Speaker 3: that's just called the hospital and strange things, I mean
Speaker 3: have I've been told that strange things happen at the
Speaker 3: hospital and when King, and I do believe this is
Speaker 3: what happened. King, you've done some good work for us.
Speaker 3: You've managed a blackmail a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 3: we've let you molest kids to your heart's contended.
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to.
Speaker 3: Do some time for your financial Cristulity took forty million
Speaker 3: dollars from the Franklin Grad Union, but I think a
Speaker 3: lot of that money was diverted to a rand conference.
Speaker 3: But anyway, they said to King, you're going to have
Speaker 3: to keep your mouth shut and then we'll put you
Speaker 3: up in a really nice federal prison, and then when
Speaker 3: you get out, we'll give you a no show job.
Speaker 3: And he was put in Rochester, the Rochester, Minnesota Federal Prison,
Speaker 3: which is kind of known to be club fed a
Speaker 3: lot of high ranking mafiosi and other Baker was incarcerated there.
Speaker 3: Lynn and the Rouche was incarcerated there. And actually at
Speaker 3: that time I had a buddy that was incarcerated there.
Speaker 3: My buddy was a dispenser of herbal life as we
Speaker 3: called it, but otherwise called by the federal government marijuana,
Speaker 3: and he got busted with a fairly large quantity of
Speaker 3: marijuana and he ended up and it was a non
Speaker 3: violent drug offense marijuana, but he ended up still gaining
Speaker 3: five years.
Speaker 2: And he was there and.
Speaker 3: I checked him out one day. I visited him and
Speaker 3: I saw Jim Baker, and actually there was Joey Iopa.
Speaker 3: He had been the boss of the Chicago mafia for
Speaker 3: quite some time. I got to meet Joey too, So
Speaker 3: it was a it was it was definitely a very
Speaker 3: interesting cast. Well. But King was there at the same time.
Speaker 3: My friend was there, and my friend said that King was.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could tell him was a con man.
Speaker 3: But this is kind of interesting. The other high profile
Speaker 3: victor or criminals there wanted nothing to do with King,
Speaker 3: and I think that they knew that he was working
Speaker 3: with the government. Yes, but then King got let out
Speaker 3: and he married a new beard and now and then
Speaker 3: he had a no show job at Alexandria, Virginia beyond Oarship,
Speaker 3: and then he lives in a nice townhouse in western Virginia.
Speaker 3: I went and visited him, and he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Really enthralled about talking to me.
Speaker 3: And what really troubles me about King Lawrence King is
Speaker 3: there aren't people in the government that know he's a
Speaker 3: super predator. I mean, he's a great white shot. And
Speaker 3: he veiled himself into Grandville Academy. And when I found
Speaker 3: out about that, I found out that Grandville Academy isn't
Speaker 3: even a school. At Snyvan Academy, it thinks lower socioeconomic
Speaker 3: children on field trips.
Speaker 2: And I thought, this is a very very bad idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, called Grandville Academy, I had other people called Granville Academy.
Speaker 2: And then he got booted out of there.
Speaker 3: And then he ended up on the Washington Redskins Event Committee,
Speaker 3: and I thought that that was a bad idea too.
Speaker 3: And then the Washington Redskins Event Committee was in and
Speaker 3: date with phone calls, and then he was kicked.
Speaker 2: Out of there.
Speaker 3: And then I found out that he was at Opera Nova,
Speaker 3: which it serves another functions, but it teaches lower socioeconomic
Speaker 3: hwe how to sing.
Speaker 2: And I thought that that was really a bad idea.
Speaker 3: So I got him kicked out of there, and now
Speaker 3: he's at a church that I can't seem to get
Speaker 3: him kicked out of. So, and here's what's troubling about
Speaker 3: that this guy has molested god knows how many children
Speaker 3: and it's up to a journalist to protect children from
Speaker 3: him instead of the federal government.
Speaker 2: Right, and there fens that know how predatory this guy is.
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, that's really an egregious situation.
Speaker 1: And you're saying that those two pimps analogous maybe to
Speaker 1: just laying now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that Bilane was told if you keep your
Speaker 3: mouth shut, you'll do about ten years, and they put
Speaker 3: her in dormitory living really quickly. Usually inmates that end
Speaker 3: up in dormitory living have been there a while they've
Speaker 3: been exemplary prisoners and they can see the end of
Speaker 3: their sentence coming up.
Speaker 2: So I think that that was the deal.
Speaker 3: I think King and Maxwell took the same deal, and
Speaker 3: I think that Spence and Epstein took the same deal
Speaker 3: to but they ended up dead.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So basically, just Laine's saying now that she
Speaker 1: will tell the true story is just nonsense, just just
Speaker 1: media nonsense.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's so much coming out now that
Speaker 3: is there are so many fabrications that are being manufactured
Speaker 3: at this point. It's people are blaming Bondi.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bondi said what Trump obviously told her to say,
Speaker 2: or else you.
Speaker 3: And then so we've got this narrative of Cash, Betel
Speaker 3: and Bongino wanting to resign because of what Bondie said. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, if Bondie said it, Trump told her to
Speaker 3: say it. I mean that's pretty much that simple. So
Speaker 3: they're not they would if they resigned. They're not rebelling
Speaker 3: against you, they're rebelling me as Trump.
Speaker 1: Do you think that some of the rumors going around
Speaker 1: or that there was just too much deep state, you know,
Speaker 1: incriminating information high powerful, high powered people that it would
Speaker 1: quote bring down the government. Is that really what's going
Speaker 1: on here in your mind as to why it was
Speaker 1: covered up.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of powerful people involved.
Speaker 3: When I got the Black Book, a bunch of the
Speaker 3: names were circled, and that was because Epstein's house manager,
Speaker 3: afraid to Rodriguez, circled names that he thought were in cahoots.
Speaker 3: Was Jeffory Epstein as far as his pedophilic pantter in
Speaker 3: enterprise and Ghlaine Maxwell's name is circle.
Speaker 2: And then Virginia grew free.
Speaker 3: And Ghlaine Maxwell they lacked horns in a defamation suit
Speaker 3: and ultimately Maxwell gave th three millions of dollars. We
Speaker 3: don't have a number on it, but she was given
Speaker 3: a million dollars. So Max Rodriga circled Maxwell and were
Speaker 3: free named Maxwell. Rodriguez circled to who Barack and Virginia
Speaker 3: who free named who Barack. Rodriga circled Les Wexner, and
Speaker 3: Virginia named Les Wexner as an abuser. Same with Alan
Speaker 3: dersho At, same with Bill Richardson. And then there's people
Speaker 3: that are circled in the Black Book that Virginia didn't name.
Speaker 3: And then there's other people that Virginia named like the
Speaker 3: former Majority leader George Mitchell. Virginia said that she was
Speaker 3: molested by him, and he seems like a benign, grandfatherly type.
Speaker 3: But I believe Virginia. And what you can tell with
Speaker 3: when you look at the Black Book and you start
Speaker 3: deciphering it, how many contact numbers did Epstein have for
Speaker 3: these people? And that will give you an dacation.
Speaker 1: Like with me, Yeah, like some of the numbers had
Speaker 1: like it was like four or five, you know, phone numbers,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how is there so many phone numbers?
Speaker 3: He had like eight or nine for Mitchell, he had
Speaker 3: twelve for Trump, and for Clinton he had twenty five.
Speaker 3: So obviously Epstein and Clinton were in contact quite a
Speaker 3: bit so and that, yeah, that's another indication of how many, ah,
Speaker 3: how he and these fur traders and epsteinm were connected
Speaker 3: is by how.
Speaker 1: There was also I remember reading through there. I've read
Speaker 1: most of the of the Black Book one night. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of hotels and spas too. That was interesting.
Speaker 3: But when you think about this, think about the pilots,
Speaker 3: the limit, all these people that were privy to this,
Speaker 3: and there would be and you could indict all of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, we know who, we know who the some
Speaker 3: of the limousine drivers are. We could indict them and
Speaker 3: they would roll over in a heartbeat. But this would
Speaker 3: be like one of the easiest reco cases that's ever
Speaker 3: been prosecuted by the Department of Justice.
Speaker 2: The Department of Justice just doesn't have the will.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, yes, there are powerful people
Speaker 3: in uh that Ebstein was panorin children too. But also,
Speaker 3: and this is one of the reasons why Franklin was
Speaker 3: immaculately covered up. According to state and federal authorities, not
Speaker 3: a single child had been abused by the Franklin network,
Speaker 3: which is kind of mind boggling. But I think we're
Speaker 3: looking at at a political system where blackmail it is
Speaker 3: endemic exactly. I think that that's is also what's being predicted.
Speaker 3: And there was a really gutsy federal legislator named Kim
Speaker 3: Bershett from Tennessee. He's in he's in the House of Representatives,
Speaker 3: and he basically came out and said, my colleagues are
Speaker 3: being compromised in.
Speaker 2: Honeypots or honeytraps.
Speaker 3: So that's still going on, and these guys are Nothing
Speaker 3: makes people stupid like lust, arrogance, and greed.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask next. Is I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a high profile person, if you're a billionaire,
Speaker 1: you know, you're some sort of British royalty. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: is there not some sort of awareness or discernment that
Speaker 1: maybe if I'm going to this thing, I might be
Speaker 1: being compromised. I've wondered this ever since, you know, coming
Speaker 1: in contact with your book, and you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of these cases. I read a book recently, just a
Speaker 1: history of sexpionage, and you know, this is sort of
Speaker 1: an This is you know, way older than what we
Speaker 1: know about. They were. They were, you know, getting honey traps,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of years ago in ancient empires. And
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, like, is there no like debriefing of
Speaker 1: powerful people that you know, if you're a fat, ugly
Speaker 1: slob and this beautiful you know, Russian model walks up
Speaker 1: to you, maybe you're being you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about that political blackmail is as old
Speaker 3: as our republic. Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with
Speaker 3: a twenty three year old who was married, and there
Speaker 3: we go Alexander Hamilton and Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson
Speaker 3: had a tremendous amount of antipathy towards each other. So
Speaker 3: when Jefferson got elected, this muckraker who outed Hamilton felt
Speaker 3: like Jefferson owed him an appointment in his administration and
Speaker 3: Jefferson wouldn't do it, So he outed Jefferson for having
Speaker 3: sex with his slave, Sally Hamilton's. And we do know
Speaker 3: from DNA that the Jefferson lineage is in and the
Speaker 3: lineage of these children from Sally Hammings. So political blank
Speaker 3: and the reason why political blank mel doesn't talked about.
Speaker 3: People are very naive about it because the media doesn't
Speaker 3: report on because the number of people in the media
Speaker 3: are compromised.
Speaker 1: But what a powerful families and people be aware of this.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand is like, you know, did
Speaker 1: know nobody'd give Prince Andrew, you know, some sort of
Speaker 1: talk like you know, beware this is a reality, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, they could have done that, but then once Prince
Speaker 2: Andrew's limbic system kicked.
Speaker 1: In, Okay, well true, good boy, And.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of examples of that. Larry
Speaker 2: Craig was.
Speaker 3: Hardcore family values, right wing Republican from Idaho. He was
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC for twenty five years, first as a
Speaker 3: representative US representative and then as a Senator. And I
Speaker 3: wrote a book called Confessions of DC of a DC Madam,
Speaker 3: the Politics of sex lives with a guy named Henry
Speaker 3: VI and Craig was a frequent flyer at Henry's escort service.
Speaker 3: And then there was a documentary that came out called
Speaker 3: Outrage by Kirby Dick, who's a pretty renowned documentary and
Speaker 3: he showed how all these right wing politicians or a
Speaker 3: number of right wing politicians vote against that are closeted,
Speaker 3: vote against k rights.
Speaker 2: And he was so Craig was getting escorts from people
Speaker 2: other than Henry Vincent.
Speaker 3: And then he was at a in a Minneapolis airport
Speaker 3: and he was in the bathroom and there's this, I
Speaker 3: guess there's a gate have signaling where someone slaps her
Speaker 3: foot on the floor and then that signal to a
Speaker 3: person that you know, let's let's get it on. And Craig,
Speaker 3: a senator for who's been in Washington, DC for twenty
Speaker 3: five years, trying to pick up a vice flat cop
Speaker 3: in a bathroom at the Minneapolis International Airport now, how
Speaker 3: hard would it be for that guy to be compromised.
Speaker 3: I mean, a kid doing an after school extra credit
Speaker 3: with a smartphone could compromise. And I just want to
Speaker 3: say this. I'm from Minneapolis, and I go back to
Speaker 3: Minneapolis about once a year to see my friends and family.
Speaker 3: And I was sitting on a commode in a Minneapolis
Speaker 3: restroom and the guy in the in the stall next
Speaker 3: to me was slapping his foot on the ground and
Speaker 3: I thought he had like a neurological disorder. I mean,
Speaker 3: I felt bad for him. I'm just glad I didn't
Speaker 3: say can I help you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, I guess the moral there is with
Speaker 1: people that are sort of out there was sort of
Speaker 1: out of control, right, so they really just can't control
Speaker 1: in these situations. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to a black mail photographer for the
Speaker 3: Franklin Network for the Franklin Network, and it was when
Speaker 3: I was trying to get my mind.
Speaker 2: Around it, all of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd never come across anything like this. For
Speaker 3: there wasn't a book about it. I mean, John DeCamp
Speaker 3: had written a book, but I didn't. It wasn't very
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was very informative, and I mean,
Speaker 3: it showed that something had gone down in Omaha, I felt,
Speaker 3: but not the bigger network.
Speaker 2: And then when I realized how big this.
Speaker 3: Network was and that it was involved with blackmail and
Speaker 3: it was involved with intelligence, I went to the I
Speaker 3: was trying to lack off it and I've just said, well,
Speaker 3: how does this work? And he said to me, once
Speaker 3: you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. It's a
Speaker 3: beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day, and you can
Speaker 3: have anything you want on the yacht. Well, if you
Speaker 3: decide to get off the yacht, the people on the
Speaker 3: yacht are going to make.
Speaker 2: Sure that you drown.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you're compromised, it's going to help your career.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dennis hastard Is.
Speaker 3: Was a pedophile Speaker of the House for seven years,
Speaker 3: so I believe, and actually the FBI knew about it.
Speaker 3: According to Sabelle Admins, the FBI knew about his shadow
Speaker 3: life when he was Speaker of the House, but they
Speaker 3: gave him a panais. And I think that he's an example,
Speaker 3: and there's other examples that I know of people that
Speaker 3: were compromised and was really advantageous to their career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so that there's not really any incentive to
Speaker 1: not when you know you can be fed the vice
Speaker 1: that you have, and then if you don't want to
Speaker 1: stay on the yacht, you're going to have a boat accident,
Speaker 1: which many people have had voting accidents. Right, So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: Now your book is of course about the Franklin cover up.
Speaker 1: Are you going to run an Epstein book?
Speaker 2: I'm working on Epstein book right now.
Speaker 3: I've been so busy. I've got a lot written about
Speaker 3: Epstein and I've got some stuff on Epstein that no
Speaker 3: one else.
Speaker 1: Is, right, right, I figured you would. Yeah, you're a
Speaker 1: pioneer of this.
Speaker 3: So I've been working. But I'm also the director of
Speaker 3: Epstein Justice, which is taking off right now, and I've
Speaker 3: been working really really hard to get Epstein Justice off
Speaker 3: the ground. And with Epstein Justice, what we want is
Speaker 3: the Truth and Reconciliation Commission by our Congress to look
Speaker 3: at Jeffrey Epstein and doing an independent investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: And this isn't going to be easy. What we want
Speaker 3: is not going to be easy. But I think why
Speaker 3: we're seeing so much blowback with Epstein is. Americans have
Speaker 3: eaten a lot of shit as far as lies by
Speaker 3: the government, but the trafficking of children is a bridge
Speaker 3: too far for them. And that's why I believe we're
Speaker 3: seeing what we're seeing right now with the blowback with
Speaker 3: Epstein is and you're seeing a lot of people flee
Speaker 3: Magia too, because they wanted the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: This was something that was very.
Speaker 3: Very important to them, and we're not getting the truth
Speaker 3: about Jeffrey Epstein. I'm the administration wanted to just shut
Speaker 3: it down, and that's not going to be possible because,
Speaker 3: as I said, the white elephant might be dead, but
Speaker 3: it's still in the living room, and I don't think
Speaker 3: there's going to be any way for us to get
Speaker 3: the black the white elephant out. And I've been at
Speaker 3: this a while and it's usually people on the right
Speaker 3: that are very concerned about child drafvening. I mean, I've
Speaker 3: met I know that that is a gross generalization. But
Speaker 3: when I was ready in the Franklin scandal, I got
Speaker 3: seal grand jury documents, seal gran jury testimony. I got
Speaker 3: a lot of information, and most of that information came
Speaker 3: from people from the right. I approached people on the
Speaker 3: left that were privy to a lot of franglined things,
Speaker 3: and they were they wouldn't they really didn't want to
Speaker 3: talk to me. So this is a major issue for
Speaker 3: people on the right, But now we're starting to get
Speaker 3: people on the left engage too. I was on a
Speaker 3: podcast this morning of a I don't know, for lack
Speaker 3: of better word, of progressive publication, and the woman said
Speaker 3: to me, why are people so outraged about this? And
Speaker 3: that's how lost she is. I mean, why are people
Speaker 3: so outraged about this? It's because children are getting monsted
Speaker 3: with impunity.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an idea of how egregious this
Speaker 2: problem is.
Speaker 3: According to the Centers for Disease Control, twenty five percent
Speaker 3: of underage girls and five percent of underage boys have
Speaker 3: been molested. Now, people in the field, and I've spoken
Speaker 3: at I've really gotten to know a lot about child traffing,
Speaker 3: and I've spoken at some very big child trafficking conferences,
Speaker 3: and I've gotten.
Speaker 2: To know a lot of people involved with that.
Speaker 3: And there's some really there's some really good people in
Speaker 3: this field, and then there's people that But there are
Speaker 3: some really good people in this field. But ac putting
Speaker 3: to the CDC. When you look at the number of
Speaker 3: boys and number of girls that have been molested when
Speaker 3: they were under age, five percent for boys is way conservative.
Speaker 3: But if you could just go with those numbers, you've
Speaker 3: got over fifty million Americans that have been molested they
Speaker 3: were underage. And then according to the Department of Health
Speaker 3: and Human Services, they did a study and they found
Speaker 3: that two hundred and forty thousand to three hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand women and children are trafficked in the
Speaker 3: United States every year. Now here's where we really It
Speaker 3: just shows how children's rights are just trampled on. So
Speaker 3: if we go with the most conservative number from the
Speaker 3: Department of Health and Human Services, which is two hundred
Speaker 3: and forty thousand, there was a every year the Federal
Speaker 3: Human Trafficking Report comes out, and the last one was
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty three. There were six hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: four individuals nationwide that were charged with child sex draft
Speaker 3: six hundred and sixty four individuals. So if you take
Speaker 3: the lowest number from the Department of Health and Human
Speaker 3: Services two hundred and forty thousand, we're not even charging
Speaker 3: We're charging a fraction of one percent of the people
Speaker 3: that are trafficking children, and millions of hours of child
Speaker 3: abuse material are on the internet, millions, And according to
Speaker 3: the US Sencing Commission, one thousand, three hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: five individuals were convicted for crimes entailing child abuse material
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty three. So again we're only it's a
Speaker 3: fraction of one percent.
Speaker 5: And you've got millions of Americans that have been molested,
Speaker 5: that have been five for child abuse material, and and we.
Speaker 3: Have ostensibly all these law enforcement entities that are going
Speaker 3: that are arresting child traffickers, and you've got all these
Speaker 3: anti trafficking organize NGOs, but yet a fraction of one
Speaker 3: percent of these if you're a psychopath, and this would
Speaker 3: be the area that you'd want to get into because
Speaker 3: there's such a small number of people that are actually
Speaker 3: being even charged.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's unreal.
Speaker 3: And and and here's what's there's a there's a number
Speaker 3: of things why why Epstein is so important. But so
Speaker 3: we've got these millions of Americans that have been molested
Speaker 3: and also traffic millions. And if we allow the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice to be apathetic and unresponsive to victims in
Speaker 3: a proven trafficking case, the Epstein trafficking case.
Speaker 2: That sends a message to millions of victims that they
Speaker 2: have no voice and no hope for justice.
Speaker 1: Demoralizing, sort of a humiliation ritual almost.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being a victim of this type of
Speaker 3: abuse and then watching watching all these people that molested
Speaker 3: these kids with Epstein walking. I mean that would be totally.
Speaker 1: Demoralized, right, Yeah, Well maybe that's part of what's going on,
Speaker 1: is to discourage people from thinking, you know, you'll ever
Speaker 1: get an injustice, so that that makes sense actually from
Speaker 1: a dark perspective there.
Speaker 3: It's it's uh, it's quite appalling, and I'm glad that
Speaker 3: we've been working at Epstein Justice for it's been we
Speaker 3: got a five O one seed three a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, and it's been slow growing, but now we're
Speaker 3: picking up momentum. And Americans are fundamentally decent people.
Speaker 2: I really believe that, and they want to do the
Speaker 2: right thing.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them have been conditioned to
Speaker 3: think that they can't make a difference, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's that was a very strong poll for Trump.
Speaker 3: Is they thought that Trump could make a difference, Yes, right,
Speaker 3: and now they're seeing that Trump is I mean, he
Speaker 3: did some things early on with uh Lon Musk, who's.
Speaker 2: Also said some very unbecoming things about Trump in this area.
Speaker 3: Well, what we what we're seeing is Trump going back
Speaker 3: to this Sam Old cover that. There's been four administrations that.
Speaker 2: Have covered this up to Republicans, two Democratics.
Speaker 3: So when you see, I mean, that's how important it is,
Speaker 3: and that's how rife our political system is with BLACKMAILT
Speaker 3: is if it's if it's good, it's covered up by
Speaker 3: both the Democrats and the Republicans because both the.
Speaker 2: Democrats, yeah's a uniparty are compromised. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, Nick, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving us your take. You're an expert
Speaker 1: on this situation, and I'm going to have all nixt
Speaker 1: links below, including to get his books, including to check
Speaker 1: out his podcast and uh the Justice for Epstein website
Speaker 1: as well. Nick, thank you so much for coming on,
Speaker 1: And I look forward to a future podcast where we
Speaker 1: talk about God and philosophy.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: Jay, it's a it's a it's a much easier time with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little less heavy, but maybe it's also
Speaker 1: it's heavy in a different way. But thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Nick
Speaker 2: Great Jay I have a great day you too, man Bye,