Speaker 1: All right, welcome everybody. Today. I have with me the
one and only Nick Bryant. He is of course published
at the same publisher as myself as Sotary College with
three by the way, we'll be out in the next
few weeks, so get your signed copies at the shop.
You can also get Nick's books as well in the
trin Day shop. Nick, how you.
Speaker 2: Doing, I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: Jay, How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. It's you know, it's a massive Trump failure. Unfortunately,
not that I don't have a problem criticizing Trump, but
I was hoping for better. So today we're going to
be talking about an area that Nick is an expert in,
which is the whole domain of Jeff's nine mceffrey or
Jeffrey Epstein, if we're now using his full name, Nick,
how do you want to kick this off? And you
are somewhat of an expert in this, So how did
you get involved, first of all in studying Epstein? Then
we'll get into the case and where it's gone. Now.
Speaker 3: I wrote a book which is published by Trying Day
called The Franklin Scanalist Story of Brokers How to Be
Some Betrayal, And in that book I was I worked
on for seven years, and it was about a huge
child trafficking network. In some ways, Epstein is kind of
a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal. And it was
published in two thousand and nine, two thousand and can
and we couldn't get anybody to touch it. I live
in New York City, I live in the mecca of publishing,
and I couldn't get And I had a lot of
buddies that in media, and one helped me, but it
didn't His help was somewhat ineffectual, and no editors, no
publishers wanted to touch it because I thought I could
get some attention on it, but accusing the government of
basically covering up a child traving.
Speaker 2: Network in the very least, people didn't want to hear that.
Speaker 3: And so the book published two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
and I really I put all the money I had
on it. I'm kind of a gambler. Not you won't
find me in casinos. But I moved to New York
City in nineteen ninety five. I'd been an academic for
five years and I moved to New York City in
nineteen ninety five to start a freelance writing career, and
I didn't get a I said to myself, well, should
I get a.
Speaker 2: Like a part time job or something like that.
Speaker 3: And I said, no, I'm going to dedicate every day
to getty writing gigs, and if I end up in
the park, I end up in the park. Well that time,
I did not end up in the park. Actually I
ended up in a pretty nice apartment. So in two
thousand and nine, twenty ten, I had about a year's
worth of money and I just said, I'm going to
focus on trying to sell the Franklin schedule. And then
I couldn't find anybody to touch it. And I worked
and worked and worked, and I had friends that were
that had their own columns and newspapers, guys that I'd
known I'm from Minneapolis, Guys that I'd known back in Minneapolis,
and they still wouldn't touch it. And actually, you know,
I knew that most of my friends were going to
be spineless, and most of the people in the media
were going to be spineless, but I didn't think all
of them were going to be spineless. And only one
of them has apologized to me, which and I think
that that's really cool, and we're good friends today. But
you know, he said, I could have helped you more, Nick,
and I'm sorry I didn't. Anyway, I started seeing these
articles about Epstein and it was very obvious that he
had a voracious appetite for underage girls. And then I
looked at the grand jury that found that he wasn't well.
I knew that there was a grand jury that found
that he hadn't abused a single child. So that gun
on my radar really quickly of something that I needed
to investigate. And point I had some extra money, and
I flew down to Florida, and this was two thousand
and two, and then I got his.
Speaker 1: Black Book, and not early in two thousand and two, Yeah,
I got the.
Speaker 3: Black Book, and then I started calling and the Black
Book has well over one hundred Epstein victims too, so
I victims, and they were telling me that they were
being flown around, and they were also telling me about
an island. And at that point point I was, I
think the only journalist to know that Epsteam was running.
Speaker 2: In a network and he had an island.
Speaker 3: And so I came back to New York City and
I was pitching the Black Book and no one wanted
to touch it. I mean, nobody wanted to touch it.
And it was the same cognitive dissonance that I experienced
when I was pitching Franklin. I would talk to these
editors and I would talk to these publis, and they
would say I could just see him thinking, you know,
this is a really horrible story. I need to help
Nick brian or I can take door B, which is
I can write Nick brian Off is crazy, and I
can have a nice dinner with my family tonight.
Speaker 2: And they altered Door B. And then finally I met.
Speaker 3: John Cook, who was the editor in chief of Gonker
at that point and which has since been suited into oblivion,
and he was willing to do it, and I said,
we need to redact the people's numbers, and we also
need to redact the victim's last names and their numbers,
and he was cool with that. So we published a
Black Book. And then at that point I had flight
logs too. I was the first guy to release flight logs.
And I wrote an article about the flight logs and
the Black Book, and we put them both up and.
Speaker 2: Then now here's what's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: So once the Black Book was the floodgates opened on
the Black Book and every major media started to talk
about the Black Book, and one guy, I think it
was Mother Jones, called every name in the Black Book,
and of course everybody said, I don't know, I don't have.
Speaker 2: Anything about Epstein.
Speaker 3: But anyway, only two mainstream media outlets even acknowledged that
it was me that I shared the Black Book to
the Internet. And I don't know, maybe you get accused
of this, but on public media or social media, people say, well,
you know, Nick Bryant's just in here to control the narrative,
and he's obviously a limited hangout. And I put the
Black Book on the Internet and I didn't reenact anybody's names,
and two publications even acknowledged that it was me. So
I didn't do a very good job of controlling the
narrative on the Black Book. And then I just started
and at that point i'd or a little bit.
Speaker 2: Down the road.
Speaker 3: I met some Epstein victims and then I started talking
to them, and what they were telling me was very
in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: It was similar to the Franklin Network.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe that the government was covering this
up again in broad daylight, in front of everybody, and
like it's trying to do now. And at that point
I started a protest.
Speaker 2: I put together a demonstration against this.
Speaker 3: Is during Delaine Maxwell's trial, which was really perfidious. There
were only four victims that were called, and those four
victims had been exclusively molested by Epstein and Maxwell, and
the US attorney overseen that trial, also oversaw the Diddy
grand jury. So again we see people getting recycled. Donald
Barr covered up the Franklin scandal when he was the
attorney general under Bush two, under Bush one, and then
he covered up the Franklin's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he of course makes an appearance right away
in Whitney Webb's book and volume two, and you know
she notes that he was his dad was oss right
Bar senior. So we have from the very beginning the
connections to the intelligence agencies. And this I think applies
to Epstein as well. Right, we have Epstein being basically
an owner of multiple passports. We have people from you know,
Acosta says years ago, I was told not to touch
this guy. He's intelligence that plays a huge factor in this.
I'm sure, right, yes.
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Speaker 1: Back to what you were saying about intelligence connections, what.
Speaker 3: William Barr is definitely an intelligence he and as even
on his White Watch Borkipedia pages, he says that he
was in the CIA for a number of years. And
it's also interesting that his father hired Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a.
Speaker 3: Teja dollon school and Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout
from a blue Colarge family. His dad was a gardener
for the City of New York. And after the demonstration,
I'd met Epstein victims during the demonstration and after the demonstration,
and then at that point I could see that the
government was going to cover this up, and I started
Epstein Justice, which were what we're trying to do is
get a Truth and Reconciliation Commission from Congress to actually
investigate Jeffrey Epstein. This is something that needs to be investigated.
Speaker 1: And when we go back to his background, I think
this is really crucial because I did an interview with
a friend of mine who's a Cold War historian buff
and he went deep into even getting into like the
KGB archives in terms of some of the colonels in
the KGB files and information that they had on Epstein
that was only recently translated into English. And what's interesting
is that even the KGB knew that Max Sancuse, Maxwell
Senior Robert was the sort of odd international you know,
mega cutout you could say, for British intelligence, it seems like,
as well as other intelligence agencies MASSAD as well. So
there's sort of like this higher level game that sort
of plays above the dialectic of East and the West
and the Cold War. And I want to ask you
the question, do you think that probably what happened here
was that you had you know, Maxwell and just Lane
sort of running this operation that he had sort of
perfected in the Cold War, and then they recruited Jeffrey
into being kind of the newer, updated version of the
same blackmail operation.
Speaker 3: That's an entirely plausible scenario. Ery Ben Minashi says, that
Maxwell hooked Episosode because he thought that they would be
sweethearts together. And then ultimately that Glaine was inundated with
Israeli intelligence or Massad. And not only that, do we
have Alexander Acosta. Well, Alexander Acosta, as you said, was
told he was a US attorney for Southern Florida and
he was told to stand down on Epstein because Epstein
was intelligence. Now, if you look at how our government functions,
there's only two people in our government that can tell
a US attorney to stand down. I went to a
number of legal scholars and I'm talking to them about this.
There's two people, the Attorney general and the president. And
the Attorney General at that time was Alberto Gonzalez, and
the president was George Bush too, so and Alberto Gonzalez
as an attorney genal he's not going to cover up
a nationwide pedophile network unless his boss tells him to.
I mean, that's he's not going to preemptively do that,
and his boss obviously told him to.
Speaker 2: So in two thousand and seven, there.
Speaker 3: Was you saw the Bush administration just completely quash this,
and then every administration after that has continued to cover it.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 3: And when Epstein was arrested the second time and at
Teterborough Airport in twenty nineteen, this is where we started
getting end up problems with the Trump cover story. The
MBI opened up his safe the next day and they
took out a lot of discs.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: According to Business Insider, they took out hard drives too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's those pictures we've seen where they're carrying out
right at these stacks, and you've got these CD wrongs right.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: The New York Times reported that there were hundreds, possibly
thousands of images of child abuse material.
Speaker 2: So when that strange memo came out last week.
Speaker 3: That no one signed, no one was willing to sign,
I did agree with some of the things. I do
believe that there were over three hundred gigabytes of child
abuse material taken out of Epstein's safe.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: BONDI was going to release the quote unquote Epstein files
or Epstein list. It was on her desk, and then
she released a nothing sandwich, and I do get a kickout.
I released more incriminating information on Epstein in twenty fifteen
than she released in the Black Book. I saw a
copy of the Black Book that was released and everybody's
name was redacted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember finding a couple of years ago, and
it must have been the one that I think it
was from that Mother Jones thing, because it has to
be the one that you originally had put up and
it had all the names still there and the numbers
still there. So when everybody saw this, it was like,
what the hell is this? You know, this this folder
SYP photo show shoot that they did what a few
year ago, a few months ago? This you know, these
prepackaged binders that they gave out. That was so ridiculous with.
Speaker 3: The influencers, and you none of those influencers have screamed
for any kind.
Speaker 2: Of truth since then. I guess they know where their
bread is buttered.
Speaker 3: But BONDI, her first live was that she wanted us
to believe that the FBI and whatever dark, malignant corner
of intelligence deploys people like Epstein hadn't looked at that
stuff that had been taken out of Epstein's safe. I
mean that they had to look at it all they'd
been looking at that. They were looking at it, they
took it out, they were looking at it. They probably
didn't even sleep because there were a number of people
that were looking at it, so that is a complete
fabrication on her part. And then she said, well, I
was bamboozled by the FBI, and so that either shows
that she's lying or a napt I mean, depending upon
how you want to look at And I would kind
of lean towards a neck. She kind of reminds me
of a step Fard Attorney General anyway, So with her,
and then she said, and then she got herself into
deeper water when she said, I will the only thing
that will be redacted is.
Speaker 2: Things I could have a bearing on national security.
Speaker 3: Now she has to explain to us what a bunch
of child molesters have.
Speaker 2: With national security.
Speaker 3: So she kept on begging herself deeper and deeper and deeper,
and then the memo came out.
Speaker 2: That strange memo.
Speaker 3: And I do agree that there was over three hundred
gigabytes of child abuse material taken out of Epstein's closet,
and I do agree that there were over one thousand
Ebstein victims.
Speaker 2: I agree with those things.
Speaker 3: I adamantly disagree that Jeffrey Epstein molested all those girls
by himself, and I adamantly disagreed that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't
involved in black mail, and the Trump administration put a
white elephant in the living room by saying that they
were going to release the files and how much how
profuse those files were, and then they decided to kill
the white elephant. But the problem is the white elephant
might be dead, but it's still in the living room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was such an optics nightmare. Idiot. It was
so stupid to do. I can't fathom. I mean, yeah,
I don't know if it's incompetence or just like just
if it's boomers who don't understand how media works now
that like they're not understanding that this isn't going to work,
and like I haven't seen anybody buying this except for
you know, Israel Firster's Ben Shapiro. I mean, it's not
only people that are buying this, is people like that.
So I don't know what they It's just a disaster
from every perspective. But maybe they're forced into it, right,
I mean, in other words, if it is a real
high power blackmail material, then it absolutely makes sense that
calls were made, threats were made, people were told you
better not release this. You know, who knows what all
is in there and who's implicated. But you know, we
have Ehud Barak visiting Epstein's residence in New York what
eight times or so according to the mainstream and Israeli media.
I mean, it's pretty obvious what's going on here, and
you being expert in the Franklin the scandal in this
one as well. I mean, I'm sure you see you
see all these parallels before we go onto the blackmail
stuff and what you're getting in with Bondie. I did
want to ask something that something that nobody's really bringing up,
which is in the first few chapters of Whitney's book,
which is the economics Wall Street area connection. Nobody's really
talking about how a lot of his early machinations comes
out of you know, Bear Stearns and these big Ponzi
scheme collapse, seeing entities on Wall Street back in the
eighties and nineties, and that you know, Maxwell was this
sort of a vulture capitalist takeover expert. Is there something
maybe in the economic Wall Street realm that's a big
part of this that people are just only fixating on,
you know, Bill Gates going to the island or something
like that. Is there something else, maybe that's a huge
angle to this that you think maybe people are missing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when I initially got into this, and Les Wexner,
who's a billionaire head of L brands, gave Jeffrey Epstein
power of attorney I think it was in nineteen eighty
seven over his entire empire. He just basically gave Jeffrey
Epstein the keys to his kingdom. And I can't believe this.
I mean, the mainstream media has been so disingenuous about
this about Ebstein. But Vanity Fair, which one would think
of is a relatively sophisticated magazine, said that less Wexner,
I mean, and they said this, I mean, the difference
between truth and fiction is fiction has to make sense.
But Vanity Fair said, the reason why Les Wexner gave
Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his mast fortune is
because he was lonely. He was lonely. And then you've
got Leon Black, head of Apollo, who Jeffrey Epstein was
also pandering children too, and is just an all around scumbag.
He gave Jeffrey one hundred and sixteen million dollars and
now not There were a couple of media outlets that
report it on this, not just Vanity Fair. I mean
I don't know if Fanny Fair, but there were other
These media outlets reported that Leon Black gave Jeffrey Ebbs
seeing one hundred and sixty million dollars because Jeffrey Epstein
was helping him with his taxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, the cover stores are so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I mean, Leon Black probably has two or three floors
of accountants, so he doesn't have to pay a penny
more in taxes, which probably isn't very much. Probably you
and I paid more taxes than Leon Black, but I
and initially I thought this was all blackmail. I mean
that was my idea of it because I'd seen it
happen in the Franklin scandal. I'm actually thinking that Jeffrey
Epstein was cleaning money, that he was cleaning dirty money.
He was cleaning dirty money through Wexner, he was cleaning
dirty money through Leon Black, and god knows who else
he was cleaning dirty money through. So that is a
major component of this. Less Wesner didn't give him power
of attorney because he was lonely. I'm black, He's cleaning
dirty money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. Like, uh, these connections that
are are ignored and really covered up in the media,
especially with in regard to Wexner. I think those are
big indicators the whole early phase of being at Wall Street.
It's a huge indicator also to that those odd connections
with Koshoge and you know, arms dealing individuals, Like you're
not involved in all of that, if you're just some
sort of you know, low level, uh, you know, degenerate
guy who's you know, just sleeping around, which is how
they're trying to portray it now, like he's just you know,
this one bad apphole, degenerate or something.
Speaker 3: No what he did have him and koshog and notorious
armsdeer who is ultimately murdered, and he was connected to.
Speaker 1: And right.
Speaker 2: Peasans.
Speaker 3: So Emstein is ensconced in this intelligence operation where he's
not only blackmailing people, but I think he's also cleaning people's.
Speaker 1: Money, right exactly as we know.
Speaker 3: The CIA has various funny mechanisms that are quite dirty,
and someone has to claim that money. And I knew
someone who knew William Colby. He was the director of
the CIA, and during the seventies that were the Church area.
Speaker 1: And all that Phoenix program.
Speaker 3: And he came out and he talked about the Phoenix program.
Colin help pro all kinds of other Malfi's, the assassination
programs that were and William Colby, I think, as far
as a CI director goes, he wasn't a bad guy.
Speaker 2: As far as the CI director goes, Now, that's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of latitude. But William Colby had told someone who
I leave one of his main he had two main
regrets about his time in the CIA. And here's a
guy that like oversaw in the Phoenix program, which was unbelievable.
But his two main regrets were that the CIA created
some funding mechanisms so I didn't have to listen to Congress,
and they were And the reason why the CI decided
to do that is, and I understand this to a
certain degree, Joseph Stalin had the hydrogen bond, and Joseph
Stalin was an individual that really didn't.
Speaker 2: Put much of a premium amount of human life.
Speaker 3: So I can understand why the CI would think, well,
fighting now Stalin has the hydrogen bomb, fighting communism is
too important to be left to politicians.
Speaker 2: So I understand that. And they started creating their own.
Speaker 3: Funding mechanisms and Kobe regretted that, and he said that
we just should have in retrosp we shouldn't have done
that because it gave us too much autonomy. And he
almosto said to this individual that he and he had
kind of re embraced Catholicism.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm aware of that, and that might have been
why he met, you know, a mysterious demise on his
boat where he seems to have disappeared when he was
out boating one day. Do you think that's a little
a little suss.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the story, I just want to say
one thing else, and this really would have gotten him
in trouble. He had misgivings, strong misgivings about the sea.
I've gotten a children, that's the other thing that right,
And I don't think this individual who said that was lying.
William Kobe went canoeing in April. He was under the
weather and he didn't have any shoes.
Speaker 6: So I mean, if people think that he fell out
of his canoe and drowned and then they found his
body basically where they found the canoe some days later,
so it was I mean, this is just my extrapolation.
Speaker 3: I think that he was worked over a little bit
and find found out whoever organ him over wanted to
find out what he talked to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Maxwell had a boating accident too, right,
or that's the story.
Speaker 2: At least he fell out of his Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I've been told that Maxwell Maxwell dain Mashwell's father.
Speaker 2: He had a publishing empire, and.
Speaker 3: He Pilford the retirement savings of all the workers.
Speaker 2: And I've been told by ry Ben Manashian.
Speaker 3: Some of the stuff that he says is really right
on and some of it isn't. But he said that
Maxwell was he wanted to pay that money back, and
that he was trying to leverage the Israeli intelligence to
massade and when you try to blackmail intelligence agencies.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really work very right.
Speaker 1: That was history, Yeah, I mean I could see that.
And now that pilfering retirement is interesting because this seems
to pop up a lot in these scandals, which I'm
sure you're you're very familiar with. You've noticed that. I
don't know if you've read Paul Williams's book on Gladio,
because that one's fascinating where he ties in the the
Colby side of you know, that era of the Cold War,
where you know, Kobe Cobe was really in a in
a in a way adjacent to Gladio UH and the
drug funding that went into that. But he also notes
that when when this was set up in Italy, the
way that he alleged Kischener set it up was that
they had this sort of structure where the P two
Lodge and various late Leccio Gelli and other members of
that Masonic order, they were able to blackmail a lot
of the Italian politicians and Curia and that in the
the bankled Ambrosio scandal, there was also the pilfering of
people's retirements, So this seems to be a recurring pattern too.
Is like there's blackmail, but the blackmail isn't just blackmail,
there's also you know, usually attendance with that some form
of economic crime.
Speaker 2: Well, these people are predatory psychopaths. I mean, they don't
care if they take someone's retirement pension. Sure, it's not
going to be a big deal to them.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they're willing to pander children last, yeah, exactly,
stealing people's retirement pensions aren't going to be a big
deal to them. So getting back to that strange memo
that was released by the Department of Justice and the
FBI last week that no one signed. It said that
Epstein molested over a thousand girls by himself, that he
didn't have any help, didn't pander any of them, had
no role in ci or blackmail. And they must think
that Americans are really, really stupid, because when about two
months after Epstein moffed himself for ostensibly often himself, depending
on your perspective, the New York Times published an article
and it named six of Epstein's pimps. One was Glaine Maxwell,
and was Sarah Call and this was when Maxwell, and
the rest one was Blaine Maxwell, Sarah Hellen, Leslie Groth,
Adriana Ross, Naddie Marsenkova, and Haley Robson. And actually Robson
admitted to that journalist that she had plundered her high
school to.
Speaker 2: Get underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: To molest but Killen, Groff, Ross, and Marson Covid. They
know what went on. They were integral to Jeffrey Epstein's machine,
and as far as pimping the girls and the logistics
of it, they were integral.
Speaker 2: And we've known about their names.
Speaker 3: Just if we just took that New York Times article
from August of twenty nineteen that would give us, that
would give the Department of Justice enough information to start
indicting Kellen Ross and Noddy Marson. Coba that there's enough
information in that article to indict them and once they weren't.
And child trafficking is a heavy, heavy sentence in the
federal system.
Speaker 2: It's fifteen years.
Speaker 3: To life, and you charge them with five or six
concept john trafficking, which wouldn't be easy because they were
trafficking children for years and they were looking at five
or six lifetimes in prisons. They'd roll over on the
purpose and a heartbeat if they thought they were right,
could be protected. So just that in and of itself
is enough information. She completely wipe out what that document
is saying that.
Speaker 1: Jeffreys, Yeah, that's that's amazing. Now, what do you think
about this recent story that just Lene is saying that
she will tell everybody everything? Is this silly? Is this real?
What do you think's going on here?
Speaker 3: In the Fraanklin scandal, there were two pimps. One was
Lawrence King of Omaha and one was Craig Spencer Washington, DC.
Spence ended up killing himself, and I do believe a
lot of people on the internet have speculated that Spence
was suicided. I do believe that he was told either
you can kill yourself or we can kill you. Because
Spence went to the rich Carleton in Boston who was
in a tuxedo, and he wrote a number of things,
and then he took an over dose of no tripling,
which is a anti depressidant. Now, King, when this started to
break with King, he was picked up by US marshals
and taken to the Federal Hospital in Springfield, Missouri. And
that's just called the hospital and strange things, I mean
have I've been told that strange things happen at the
hospital and when King, and I do believe this is
what happened. King, you've done some good work for us.
You've managed a blackmail a lot of people. You know,
we've let you molest kids to your heart's contended.
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to.
Speaker 3: Do some time for your financial Cristulity took forty million
dollars from the Franklin Grad Union, but I think a
lot of that money was diverted to a rand conference.
But anyway, they said to King, you're going to have
to keep your mouth shut and then we'll put you
up in a really nice federal prison, and then when
you get out, we'll give you a no show job.
And he was put in Rochester, the Rochester, Minnesota Federal Prison,
which is kind of known to be club fed a
lot of high ranking mafiosi and other Baker was incarcerated there.
Lynn and the Rouche was incarcerated there. And actually at
that time I had a buddy that was incarcerated there.
My buddy was a dispenser of herbal life as we
called it, but otherwise called by the federal government marijuana,
and he got busted with a fairly large quantity of
marijuana and he ended up and it was a non
violent drug offense marijuana, but he ended up still gaining
five years.
Speaker 2: And he was there and.
Speaker 3: I checked him out one day. I visited him and
I saw Jim Baker, and actually there was Joey Iopa.
He had been the boss of the Chicago mafia for
quite some time. I got to meet Joey too, So
it was a it was it was definitely a very
interesting cast. Well. But King was there at the same time.
My friend was there, and my friend said that King was.
I mean, you could tell him was a con man.
But this is kind of interesting. The other high profile
victor or criminals there wanted nothing to do with King,
and I think that they knew that he was working
with the government. Yes, but then King got let out
and he married a new beard and now and then
he had a no show job at Alexandria, Virginia beyond Oarship,
and then he lives in a nice townhouse in western Virginia.
I went and visited him, and he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Really enthralled about talking to me.
Speaker 3: And what really troubles me about King Lawrence King is
there aren't people in the government that know he's a
super predator. I mean, he's a great white shot. And
he veiled himself into Grandville Academy. And when I found
out about that, I found out that Grandville Academy isn't
even a school. At Snyvan Academy, it thinks lower socioeconomic
children on field trips.
Speaker 2: And I thought, this is a very very bad idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, called Grandville Academy, I had other people called Granville Academy.
Speaker 2: And then he got booted out of there.
Speaker 3: And then he ended up on the Washington Redskins Event Committee,
and I thought that that was a bad idea too.
And then the Washington Redskins Event Committee was in and
date with phone calls, and then he was kicked.
Speaker 2: Out of there.
Speaker 3: And then I found out that he was at Opera Nova,
which it serves another functions, but it teaches lower socioeconomic
hwe how to sing.
Speaker 2: And I thought that that was really a bad idea.
Speaker 3: So I got him kicked out of there, and now
he's at a church that I can't seem to get
him kicked out of. So, and here's what's troubling about
that this guy has molested god knows how many children
and it's up to a journalist to protect children from
him instead of the federal government.
Speaker 2: Right, and there fens that know how predatory this guy is.
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, that's really an egregious situation.
Speaker 1: And you're saying that those two pimps analogous maybe to
just laying now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that Bilane was told if you keep your
mouth shut, you'll do about ten years, and they put
her in dormitory living really quickly. Usually inmates that end
up in dormitory living have been there a while they've
been exemplary prisoners and they can see the end of
their sentence coming up.
Speaker 2: So I think that that was the deal.
Speaker 3: I think King and Maxwell took the same deal, and
I think that Spence and Epstein took the same deal
to but they ended up dead.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So basically, just Laine's saying now that she
will tell the true story is just nonsense, just just
media nonsense.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's so much coming out now that
is there are so many fabrications that are being manufactured
at this point. It's people are blaming Bondi.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bondi said what Trump obviously told her to say,
or else you.
Speaker 3: And then so we've got this narrative of Cash, Betel
and Bongino wanting to resign because of what Bondie said. Well,
I mean, if Bondie said it, Trump told her to
say it. I mean that's pretty much that simple. So
they're not they would if they resigned. They're not rebelling
against you, they're rebelling me as Trump.
Speaker 1: Do you think that some of the rumors going around
or that there was just too much deep state, you know,
incriminating information high powerful, high powered people that it would
quote bring down the government. Is that really what's going
on here in your mind as to why it was
covered up.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of powerful people involved.
Speaker 3: When I got the Black Book, a bunch of the
names were circled, and that was because Epstein's house manager,
afraid to Rodriguez, circled names that he thought were in cahoots.
Was Jeffory Epstein as far as his pedophilic pantter in
enterprise and Ghlaine Maxwell's name is circle.
Speaker 2: And then Virginia grew free.
Speaker 3: And Ghlaine Maxwell they lacked horns in a defamation suit
and ultimately Maxwell gave th three millions of dollars. We
don't have a number on it, but she was given
a million dollars. So Max Rodriga circled Maxwell and were
free named Maxwell. Rodriguez circled to who Barack and Virginia
who free named who Barack. Rodriga circled Les Wexner, and
Virginia named Les Wexner as an abuser. Same with Alan
dersho At, same with Bill Richardson. And then there's people
that are circled in the Black Book that Virginia didn't name.
And then there's other people that Virginia named like the
former Majority leader George Mitchell. Virginia said that she was
molested by him, and he seems like a benign, grandfatherly type.
But I believe Virginia. And what you can tell with
when you look at the Black Book and you start
deciphering it, how many contact numbers did Epstein have for
these people? And that will give you an dacation.
Speaker 1: Like with me, Yeah, like some of the numbers had
like it was like four or five, you know, phone numbers,
and it's like, how is there so many phone numbers?
Speaker 3: He had like eight or nine for Mitchell, he had
twelve for Trump, and for Clinton he had twenty five.
So obviously Epstein and Clinton were in contact quite a
bit so and that, yeah, that's another indication of how many, ah,
how he and these fur traders and epsteinm were connected
is by how.
Speaker 1: There was also I remember reading through there. I've read
most of the of the Black Book one night. There
was a lot of hotels and spas too. That was interesting.
Speaker 3: But when you think about this, think about the pilots,
the limit, all these people that were privy to this,
and there would be and you could indict all of them.
I mean, we know who, we know who the some
of the limousine drivers are. We could indict them and
they would roll over in a heartbeat. But this would
be like one of the easiest reco cases that's ever
been prosecuted by the Department of Justice.
Speaker 2: The Department of Justice just doesn't have the will.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, yes, there are powerful people
in uh that Ebstein was panorin children too. But also,
and this is one of the reasons why Franklin was
immaculately covered up. According to state and federal authorities, not
a single child had been abused by the Franklin network,
which is kind of mind boggling. But I think we're
looking at at a political system where blackmail it is
endemic exactly. I think that that's is also what's being predicted.
And there was a really gutsy federal legislator named Kim
Bershett from Tennessee. He's in he's in the House of Representatives,
and he basically came out and said, my colleagues are
being compromised in.
Speaker 2: Honeypots or honeytraps.
Speaker 3: So that's still going on, and these guys are Nothing
makes people stupid like lust, arrogance, and greed.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask next. Is I mean,
if you're a high profile person, if you're a billionaire,
you know, you're some sort of British royalty. No, I mean,
is there not some sort of awareness or discernment that
maybe if I'm going to this thing, I might be
being compromised. I've wondered this ever since, you know, coming
in contact with your book, and you know, a lot
of these cases. I read a book recently, just a
history of sexpionage, and you know, this is sort of
an This is you know, way older than what we
know about. They were. They were, you know, getting honey traps,
you know, thousands of years ago in ancient empires. And
I'm just wondering, like, is there no like debriefing of
powerful people that you know, if you're a fat, ugly
slob and this beautiful you know, Russian model walks up
to you, maybe you're being you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about that political blackmail is as old
as our republic. Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with
a twenty three year old who was married, and there
we go Alexander Hamilton and Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson
had a tremendous amount of antipathy towards each other. So
when Jefferson got elected, this muckraker who outed Hamilton felt
like Jefferson owed him an appointment in his administration and
Jefferson wouldn't do it, So he outed Jefferson for having
sex with his slave, Sally Hamilton's. And we do know
from DNA that the Jefferson lineage is in and the
lineage of these children from Sally Hammings. So political blank
and the reason why political blank mel doesn't talked about.
People are very naive about it because the media doesn't
report on because the number of people in the media
are compromised.
Speaker 1: But what a powerful families and people be aware of this.
That's what I don't understand is like, you know, did
know nobody'd give Prince Andrew, you know, some sort of
talk like you know, beware this is a reality, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, they could have done that, but then once Prince
Andrew's limbic system kicked.
Speaker 1: In, Okay, well true, good boy, And.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of examples of that. Larry
Craig was.
Speaker 3: Hardcore family values, right wing Republican from Idaho. He was
in Washington, DC for twenty five years, first as a
representative US representative and then as a Senator. And I
wrote a book called Confessions of DC of a DC Madam,
the Politics of sex lives with a guy named Henry
VI and Craig was a frequent flyer at Henry's escort service.
And then there was a documentary that came out called
Outrage by Kirby Dick, who's a pretty renowned documentary and
he showed how all these right wing politicians or a
number of right wing politicians vote against that are closeted,
vote against k rights.
Speaker 2: And he was so Craig was getting escorts from people
other than Henry Vincent.
Speaker 3: And then he was at a in a Minneapolis airport
and he was in the bathroom and there's this, I
guess there's a gate have signaling where someone slaps her
foot on the floor and then that signal to a
person that you know, let's let's get it on. And Craig,
a senator for who's been in Washington, DC for twenty
five years, trying to pick up a vice flat cop
in a bathroom at the Minneapolis International Airport now, how
hard would it be for that guy to be compromised.
I mean, a kid doing an after school extra credit
with a smartphone could compromise. And I just want to
say this. I'm from Minneapolis, and I go back to
Minneapolis about once a year to see my friends and family.
And I was sitting on a commode in a Minneapolis
restroom and the guy in the in the stall next
to me was slapping his foot on the ground and
I thought he had like a neurological disorder. I mean,
I felt bad for him. I'm just glad I didn't
say can I help you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, I guess the moral there is with
people that are sort of out there was sort of
out of control, right, so they really just can't control
in these situations. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to a black mail photographer for the
Franklin Network for the Franklin Network, and it was when
I was trying to get my mind.
Speaker 2: Around it, all of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd never come across anything like this. For
there wasn't a book about it. I mean, John DeCamp
had written a book, but I didn't. It wasn't very
I didn't think it was very informative, and I mean,
it showed that something had gone down in Omaha, I felt,
but not the bigger network.
Speaker 2: And then when I realized how big this.
Speaker 3: Network was and that it was involved with blackmail and
it was involved with intelligence, I went to the I
was trying to lack off it and I've just said, well,
how does this work? And he said to me, once
you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. It's a
beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day, and you can
have anything you want on the yacht. Well, if you
decide to get off the yacht, the people on the
yacht are going to make.
Speaker 2: Sure that you drown.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you're compromised, it's going to help your career.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dennis hastard Is.
Speaker 3: Was a pedophile Speaker of the House for seven years,
so I believe, and actually the FBI knew about it.
According to Sabelle Admins, the FBI knew about his shadow
life when he was Speaker of the House, but they
gave him a panais. And I think that he's an example,
and there's other examples that I know of people that
were compromised and was really advantageous to their career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so that there's not really any incentive to
not when you know you can be fed the vice
that you have, and then if you don't want to
stay on the yacht, you're going to have a boat accident,
which many people have had voting accidents. Right, So uh yeah,
Now your book is of course about the Franklin cover up.
Are you going to run an Epstein book?
Speaker 2: I'm working on Epstein book right now.
Speaker 3: I've been so busy. I've got a lot written about
Epstein and I've got some stuff on Epstein that no
one else.
Speaker 1: Is, right, right, I figured you would. Yeah, you're a
pioneer of this.
Speaker 3: So I've been working. But I'm also the director of
Epstein Justice, which is taking off right now, and I've
been working really really hard to get Epstein Justice off
the ground. And with Epstein Justice, what we want is
the Truth and Reconciliation Commission by our Congress to look
at Jeffrey Epstein and doing an independent investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.
And this isn't going to be easy. What we want
is not going to be easy. But I think why
we're seeing so much blowback with Epstein is. Americans have
eaten a lot of shit as far as lies by
the government, but the trafficking of children is a bridge
too far for them. And that's why I believe we're
seeing what we're seeing right now with the blowback with
Epstein is and you're seeing a lot of people flee
Magia too, because they wanted the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: This was something that was very.
Speaker 3: Very important to them, and we're not getting the truth
about Jeffrey Epstein. I'm the administration wanted to just shut
it down, and that's not going to be possible because,
as I said, the white elephant might be dead, but
it's still in the living room, and I don't think
there's going to be any way for us to get
the black the white elephant out. And I've been at
this a while and it's usually people on the right
that are very concerned about child drafvening. I mean, I've
met I know that that is a gross generalization. But
when I was ready in the Franklin scandal, I got
seal grand jury documents, seal gran jury testimony. I got
a lot of information, and most of that information came
from people from the right. I approached people on the
left that were privy to a lot of franglined things,
and they were they wouldn't they really didn't want to
talk to me. So this is a major issue for
people on the right, But now we're starting to get
people on the left engage too. I was on a
podcast this morning of a I don't know, for lack
of better word, of progressive publication, and the woman said
to me, why are people so outraged about this? And
that's how lost she is. I mean, why are people
so outraged about this? It's because children are getting monsted
with impunity.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an idea of how egregious this
problem is.
Speaker 3: According to the Centers for Disease Control, twenty five percent
of underage girls and five percent of underage boys have
been molested. Now, people in the field, and I've spoken
at I've really gotten to know a lot about child traffing,
and I've spoken at some very big child trafficking conferences,
and I've gotten.
Speaker 2: To know a lot of people involved with that.
Speaker 3: And there's some really there's some really good people in
this field, and then there's people that But there are
some really good people in this field. But ac putting
to the CDC. When you look at the number of
boys and number of girls that have been molested when
they were under age, five percent for boys is way conservative.
But if you could just go with those numbers, you've
got over fifty million Americans that have been molested they
were underage. And then according to the Department of Health
and Human Services, they did a study and they found
that two hundred and forty thousand to three hundred and
twenty five thousand women and children are trafficked in the
United States every year. Now here's where we really It
just shows how children's rights are just trampled on. So
if we go with the most conservative number from the
Department of Health and Human Services, which is two hundred
and forty thousand, there was a every year the Federal
Human Trafficking Report comes out, and the last one was
for twenty twenty three. There were six hundred and sixty
four individuals nationwide that were charged with child sex draft
six hundred and sixty four individuals. So if you take
the lowest number from the Department of Health and Human
Services two hundred and forty thousand, we're not even charging
We're charging a fraction of one percent of the people
that are trafficking children, and millions of hours of child
abuse material are on the internet, millions, And according to
the US Sencing Commission, one thousand, three hundred and seventy
five individuals were convicted for crimes entailing child abuse material
and twenty twenty three. So again we're only it's a
fraction of one percent.
Speaker 5: And you've got millions of Americans that have been molested,
that have been five for child abuse material, and and we.
Speaker 3: Have ostensibly all these law enforcement entities that are going
that are arresting child traffickers, and you've got all these
anti trafficking organize NGOs, but yet a fraction of one
percent of these if you're a psychopath, and this would
be the area that you'd want to get into because
there's such a small number of people that are actually
being even charged.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's unreal.
Speaker 3: And and and here's what's there's a there's a number
of things why why Epstein is so important. But so
we've got these millions of Americans that have been molested
and also traffic millions. And if we allow the Department
of Justice to be apathetic and unresponsive to victims in
a proven trafficking case, the Epstein trafficking case.
Speaker 2: That sends a message to millions of victims that they
have no voice and no hope for justice.
Speaker 1: Demoralizing, sort of a humiliation ritual almost.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being a victim of this type of
abuse and then watching watching all these people that molested
these kids with Epstein walking. I mean that would be totally.
Speaker 1: Demoralized, right, Yeah, Well maybe that's part of what's going on,
is to discourage people from thinking, you know, you'll ever
get an injustice, so that that makes sense actually from
a dark perspective there.
Speaker 3: It's it's uh, it's quite appalling, and I'm glad that
we've been working at Epstein Justice for it's been we
got a five O one seed three a couple of
years ago, and it's been slow growing, but now we're
picking up momentum. And Americans are fundamentally decent people.
Speaker 2: I really believe that, and they want to do the
right thing.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them have been conditioned to
think that they can't make a difference, and I think
that that's that was a very strong poll for Trump.
Is they thought that Trump could make a difference, Yes, right,
and now they're seeing that Trump is I mean, he
did some things early on with uh Lon Musk, who's.
Speaker 2: Also said some very unbecoming things about Trump in this area.
Speaker 3: Well, what we what we're seeing is Trump going back
to this Sam Old cover that. There's been four administrations that.
Speaker 2: Have covered this up to Republicans, two Democratics.
Speaker 3: So when you see, I mean, that's how important it is,
and that's how rife our political system is with BLACKMAILT
is if it's if it's good, it's covered up by
both the Democrats and the Republicans because both the.
Speaker 2: Democrats, yeah's a uniparty are compromised. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, Nick, thank you so much for coming on.
I appreciate you giving us your take. You're an expert
on this situation, and I'm going to have all nixt
links below, including to get his books, including to check
out his podcast and uh the Justice for Epstein website
as well. Nick, thank you so much for coming on,
And I look forward to a future podcast where we
talk about God and philosophy.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: Jay, it's a it's a it's a much easier time with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little less heavy, but maybe it's also
it's heavy in a different way. But thank you so much,
Nick
Speaker 2: Great Jay I have a great day you too, man Bye,