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Speaker 1: All right, welcome everybody. Today. I have with me the

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one and only Nick Bryant. He is of course published

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at the same publisher as myself as Sotary College with

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three by the way, we'll be out in the next

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few weeks, so get your signed copies at the shop.

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You can also get Nick's books as well in the

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trin Day shop. Nick, how you.

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Speaker 2: Doing, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 3: Jay, How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. It's you know, it's a massive Trump failure. Unfortunately,

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not that I don't have a problem criticizing Trump, but

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I was hoping for better. So today we're going to

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be talking about an area that Nick is an expert in,

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which is the whole domain of Jeff's nine mceffrey or

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Jeffrey Epstein, if we're now using his full name, Nick,

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how do you want to kick this off? And you

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are somewhat of an expert in this, So how did

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you get involved, first of all in studying Epstein? Then

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we'll get into the case and where it's gone. Now.

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Speaker 3: I wrote a book which is published by Trying Day

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called The Franklin Scanalist Story of Brokers How to Be

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Some Betrayal, And in that book I was I worked

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on for seven years, and it was about a huge

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child trafficking network. In some ways, Epstein is kind of

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a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal. And it was

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published in two thousand and nine, two thousand and can

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and we couldn't get anybody to touch it. I live

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in New York City, I live in the mecca of publishing,

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and I couldn't get And I had a lot of

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buddies that in media, and one helped me, but it

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didn't His help was somewhat ineffectual, and no editors, no

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publishers wanted to touch it because I thought I could

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get some attention on it, but accusing the government of

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basically covering up a child traving.

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Speaker 2: Network in the very least, people didn't want to hear that.

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Speaker 3: And so the book published two thousand and nine, twenty ten,

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and I really I put all the money I had

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on it. I'm kind of a gambler. Not you won't

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find me in casinos. But I moved to New York

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City in nineteen ninety five. I'd been an academic for

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five years and I moved to New York City in

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nineteen ninety five to start a freelance writing career, and

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I didn't get a I said to myself, well, should

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I get a.

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Speaker 2: Like a part time job or something like that.

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Speaker 3: And I said, no, I'm going to dedicate every day

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to getty writing gigs, and if I end up in

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the park, I end up in the park. Well that time,

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I did not end up in the park. Actually I

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ended up in a pretty nice apartment. So in two

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thousand and nine, twenty ten, I had about a year's

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worth of money and I just said, I'm going to

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focus on trying to sell the Franklin schedule. And then

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I couldn't find anybody to touch it. And I worked

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and worked and worked, and I had friends that were

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that had their own columns and newspapers, guys that I'd

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known I'm from Minneapolis, Guys that I'd known back in Minneapolis,

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and they still wouldn't touch it. And actually, you know,

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I knew that most of my friends were going to

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be spineless, and most of the people in the media

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were going to be spineless, but I didn't think all

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of them were going to be spineless. And only one

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of them has apologized to me, which and I think

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that that's really cool, and we're good friends today. But

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you know, he said, I could have helped you more, Nick,

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and I'm sorry I didn't. Anyway, I started seeing these

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articles about Epstein and it was very obvious that he

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had a voracious appetite for underage girls. And then I

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looked at the grand jury that found that he wasn't well.

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I knew that there was a grand jury that found

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that he hadn't abused a single child. So that gun

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on my radar really quickly of something that I needed

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to investigate. And point I had some extra money, and

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I flew down to Florida, and this was two thousand

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and two, and then I got his.

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Speaker 1: Black Book, and not early in two thousand and two, Yeah,

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I got the.

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Speaker 3: Black Book, and then I started calling and the Black

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Book has well over one hundred Epstein victims too, so

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I victims, and they were telling me that they were

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being flown around, and they were also telling me about

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an island. And at that point point I was, I

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think the only journalist to know that Epsteam was running.

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Speaker 2: In a network and he had an island.

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Speaker 3: And so I came back to New York City and

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I was pitching the Black Book and no one wanted

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to touch it. I mean, nobody wanted to touch it.

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And it was the same cognitive dissonance that I experienced

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when I was pitching Franklin. I would talk to these

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editors and I would talk to these publis, and they

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would say I could just see him thinking, you know,

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this is a really horrible story. I need to help

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Nick brian or I can take door B, which is

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I can write Nick brian Off is crazy, and I

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can have a nice dinner with my family tonight.

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Speaker 2: And they altered Door B. And then finally I met.

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Speaker 3: John Cook, who was the editor in chief of Gonker

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at that point and which has since been suited into oblivion,

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and he was willing to do it, and I said,

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we need to redact the people's numbers, and we also

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need to redact the victim's last names and their numbers,

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and he was cool with that. So we published a

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Black Book. And then at that point I had flight

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logs too. I was the first guy to release flight logs.

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And I wrote an article about the flight logs and

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the Black Book, and we put them both up and.

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Speaker 2: Then now here's what's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: So once the Black Book was the floodgates opened on

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the Black Book and every major media started to talk

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about the Black Book, and one guy, I think it

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was Mother Jones, called every name in the Black Book,

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and of course everybody said, I don't know, I don't have.

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Speaker 2: Anything about Epstein.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, only two mainstream media outlets even acknowledged that

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it was me that I shared the Black Book to

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the Internet. And I don't know, maybe you get accused

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of this, but on public media or social media, people say, well,

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you know, Nick Bryant's just in here to control the narrative,

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and he's obviously a limited hangout. And I put the

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Black Book on the Internet and I didn't reenact anybody's names,

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and two publications even acknowledged that it was me. So

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I didn't do a very good job of controlling the

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narrative on the Black Book. And then I just started

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and at that point i'd or a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Down the road.

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Speaker 3: I met some Epstein victims and then I started talking

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to them, and what they were telling me was very

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in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: It was similar to the Franklin Network.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe that the government was covering this

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up again in broad daylight, in front of everybody, and

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like it's trying to do now. And at that point

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I started a protest.

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Speaker 2: I put together a demonstration against this.

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Speaker 3: Is during Delaine Maxwell's trial, which was really perfidious. There

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were only four victims that were called, and those four

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victims had been exclusively molested by Epstein and Maxwell, and

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the US attorney overseen that trial, also oversaw the Diddy

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grand jury. So again we see people getting recycled. Donald

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Barr covered up the Franklin scandal when he was the

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attorney general under Bush two, under Bush one, and then

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he covered up the Franklin's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he of course makes an appearance right away

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in Whitney Webb's book and volume two, and you know

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she notes that he was his dad was oss right

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Bar senior. So we have from the very beginning the

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connections to the intelligence agencies. And this I think applies

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to Epstein as well. Right, we have Epstein being basically

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an owner of multiple passports. We have people from you know,

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Acosta says years ago, I was told not to touch

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this guy. He's intelligence that plays a huge factor in this.

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I'm sure, right, yes.

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Speaker 1: Back to what you were saying about intelligence connections, what.

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Speaker 3: William Barr is definitely an intelligence he and as even

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on his White Watch Borkipedia pages, he says that he

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was in the CIA for a number of years. And

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it's also interesting that his father hired Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a.

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Speaker 3: Teja dollon school and Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout

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from a blue Colarge family. His dad was a gardener

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for the City of New York. And after the demonstration,

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I'd met Epstein victims during the demonstration and after the demonstration,

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and then at that point I could see that the

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government was going to cover this up, and I started

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Epstein Justice, which were what we're trying to do is

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get a Truth and Reconciliation Commission from Congress to actually

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investigate Jeffrey Epstein. This is something that needs to be investigated.

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Speaker 1: And when we go back to his background, I think

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this is really crucial because I did an interview with

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a friend of mine who's a Cold War historian buff

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and he went deep into even getting into like the

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KGB archives in terms of some of the colonels in

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the KGB files and information that they had on Epstein

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that was only recently translated into English. And what's interesting

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is that even the KGB knew that Max Sancuse, Maxwell

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Senior Robert was the sort of odd international you know,

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mega cutout you could say, for British intelligence, it seems like,

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as well as other intelligence agencies MASSAD as well. So

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there's sort of like this higher level game that sort

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of plays above the dialectic of East and the West

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and the Cold War. And I want to ask you

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the question, do you think that probably what happened here

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was that you had you know, Maxwell and just Lane

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sort of running this operation that he had sort of

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perfected in the Cold War, and then they recruited Jeffrey

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into being kind of the newer, updated version of the

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same blackmail operation.

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Speaker 3: That's an entirely plausible scenario. Ery Ben Minashi says, that

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Maxwell hooked Episosode because he thought that they would be

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sweethearts together. And then ultimately that Glaine was inundated with

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Israeli intelligence or Massad. And not only that, do we

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have Alexander Acosta. Well, Alexander Acosta, as you said, was

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he was told to stand down on Epstein because Epstein

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was intelligence. Now, if you look at how our government functions,

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there's only two people in our government that can tell

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a US attorney to stand down. I went to a

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number of legal scholars and I'm talking to them about this.

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There's two people, the Attorney general and the president. And

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the Attorney General at that time was Alberto Gonzalez, and

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the president was George Bush too, so and Alberto Gonzalez

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as an attorney genal he's not going to cover up

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a nationwide pedophile network unless his boss tells him to.

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I mean, that's he's not going to preemptively do that,

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and his boss obviously told him to.

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Speaker 2: So in two thousand and seven, there.

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Speaker 3: Was you saw the Bush administration just completely quash this,

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and then every administration after that has continued to cover it.

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Speaker 5: Up.

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Speaker 3: And when Epstein was arrested the second time and at

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Teterborough Airport in twenty nineteen, this is where we started

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getting end up problems with the Trump cover story. The

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MBI opened up his safe the next day and they

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took out a lot of discs.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: According to Business Insider, they took out hard drives too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's those pictures we've seen where they're carrying out

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right at these stacks, and you've got these CD wrongs right.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 3: The New York Times reported that there were hundreds, possibly

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thousands of images of child abuse material.

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Speaker 2: So when that strange memo came out last week.

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Speaker 3: That no one signed, no one was willing to sign,

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I did agree with some of the things. I do

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believe that there were over three hundred gigabytes of child

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abuse material taken out of Epstein's safe.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: BONDI was going to release the quote unquote Epstein files

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or Epstein list. It was on her desk, and then

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she released a nothing sandwich, and I do get a kickout.

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I released more incriminating information on Epstein in twenty fifteen

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than she released in the Black Book. I saw a

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copy of the Black Book that was released and everybody's

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name was redacted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember finding a couple of years ago, and

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it must have been the one that I think it

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was from that Mother Jones thing, because it has to

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be the one that you originally had put up and

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it had all the names still there and the numbers

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still there. So when everybody saw this, it was like,

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what the hell is this? You know, this this folder

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SYP photo show shoot that they did what a few

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year ago, a few months ago? This you know, these

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prepackaged binders that they gave out. That was so ridiculous with.

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Speaker 3: The influencers, and you none of those influencers have screamed

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for any kind.

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Speaker 2: Of truth since then. I guess they know where their

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bread is buttered.

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Speaker 3: But BONDI, her first live was that she wanted us

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to believe that the FBI and whatever dark, malignant corner

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of intelligence deploys people like Epstein hadn't looked at that

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stuff that had been taken out of Epstein's safe. I

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mean that they had to look at it all they'd

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been looking at that. They were looking at it, they

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took it out, they were looking at it. They probably

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didn't even sleep because there were a number of people

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that were looking at it, so that is a complete

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fabrication on her part. And then she said, well, I

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was bamboozled by the FBI, and so that either shows

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that she's lying or a napt I mean, depending upon

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how you want to look at And I would kind

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of lean towards a neck. She kind of reminds me

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of a step Fard Attorney General anyway, So with her,

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and then she said, and then she got herself into

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deeper water when she said, I will the only thing

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that will be redacted is.

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Speaker 2: Things I could have a bearing on national security.

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Speaker 3: Now she has to explain to us what a bunch

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of child molesters have.

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Speaker 2: With national security.

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Speaker 3: So she kept on begging herself deeper and deeper and deeper,

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and then the memo came out.

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Speaker 2: That strange memo.

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Speaker 3: And I do agree that there was over three hundred

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gigabytes of child abuse material taken out of Epstein's closet,

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and I do agree that there were over one thousand

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Ebstein victims.

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Speaker 2: I agree with those things.

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Speaker 3: I adamantly disagree that Jeffrey Epstein molested all those girls

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by himself, and I adamantly disagreed that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't

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involved in black mail, and the Trump administration put a

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white elephant in the living room by saying that they

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were going to release the files and how much how

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profuse those files were, and then they decided to kill

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the white elephant. But the problem is the white elephant

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might be dead, but it's still in the living room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was such an optics nightmare. Idiot. It was

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so stupid to do. I can't fathom. I mean, yeah,

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I don't know if it's incompetence or just like just

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if it's boomers who don't understand how media works now

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that like they're not understanding that this isn't going to work,

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and like I haven't seen anybody buying this except for

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you know, Israel Firster's Ben Shapiro. I mean, it's not

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only people that are buying this, is people like that.

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So I don't know what they It's just a disaster

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from every perspective. But maybe they're forced into it, right,

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I mean, in other words, if it is a real

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high power blackmail material, then it absolutely makes sense that

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calls were made, threats were made, people were told you

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better not release this. You know, who knows what all

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is in there and who's implicated. But you know, we

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have Ehud Barak visiting Epstein's residence in New York what

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eight times or so according to the mainstream and Israeli media.

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I mean, it's pretty obvious what's going on here, and

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you being expert in the Franklin the scandal in this

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one as well. I mean, I'm sure you see you

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see all these parallels before we go onto the blackmail

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stuff and what you're getting in with Bondie. I did

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want to ask something that something that nobody's really bringing up,

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which is in the first few chapters of Whitney's book,

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which is the economics Wall Street area connection. Nobody's really

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talking about how a lot of his early machinations comes

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out of you know, Bear Stearns and these big Ponzi

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scheme collapse, seeing entities on Wall Street back in the

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eighties and nineties, and that you know, Maxwell was this

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sort of a vulture capitalist takeover expert. Is there something

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maybe in the economic Wall Street realm that's a big

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part of this that people are just only fixating on,

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you know, Bill Gates going to the island or something

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like that. Is there something else, maybe that's a huge

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angle to this that you think maybe people are missing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, when I initially got into this, and Les Wexner,

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who's a billionaire head of L brands, gave Jeffrey Epstein

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power of attorney I think it was in nineteen eighty

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seven over his entire empire. He just basically gave Jeffrey

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Epstein the keys to his kingdom. And I can't believe this.

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I mean, the mainstream media has been so disingenuous about

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this about Ebstein. But Vanity Fair, which one would think

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of is a relatively sophisticated magazine, said that less Wexner,

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I mean, and they said this, I mean, the difference

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between truth and fiction is fiction has to make sense.

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But Vanity Fair said, the reason why Les Wexner gave

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Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his mast fortune is

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because he was lonely. He was lonely. And then you've

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got Leon Black, head of Apollo, who Jeffrey Epstein was

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also pandering children too, and is just an all around scumbag.

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He gave Jeffrey one hundred and sixteen million dollars and

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now not There were a couple of media outlets that

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report it on this, not just Vanity Fair. I mean

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I don't know if Fanny Fair, but there were other

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These media outlets reported that Leon Black gave Jeffrey Ebbs

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seeing one hundred and sixty million dollars because Jeffrey Epstein

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was helping him with his taxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, the cover stores are so ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Leon Black probably has two or three floors

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of accountants, so he doesn't have to pay a penny

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more in taxes, which probably isn't very much. Probably you

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and I paid more taxes than Leon Black, but I

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and initially I thought this was all blackmail. I mean

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that was my idea of it because I'd seen it

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happen in the Franklin scandal. I'm actually thinking that Jeffrey

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Epstein was cleaning money, that he was cleaning dirty money.

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He was cleaning dirty money through Wexner, he was cleaning

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dirty money through Leon Black, and god knows who else

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he was cleaning dirty money through. So that is a

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major component of this. Less Wesner didn't give him power

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of attorney because he was lonely. I'm black, He's cleaning

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dirty money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. Like, uh, these connections that

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are are ignored and really covered up in the media,

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especially with in regard to Wexner. I think those are

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big indicators the whole early phase of being at Wall Street.

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It's a huge indicator also to that those odd connections

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with Koshoge and you know, arms dealing individuals, Like you're

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not involved in all of that, if you're just some

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sort of you know, low level, uh, you know, degenerate

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guy who's you know, just sleeping around, which is how

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they're trying to portray it now, like he's just you know,

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this one bad apphole, degenerate or something.

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Speaker 3: No what he did have him and koshog and notorious

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armsdeer who is ultimately murdered, and he was connected to.

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Speaker 1: And right.

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Speaker 2: Peasans.

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Speaker 3: So Emstein is ensconced in this intelligence operation where he's

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not only blackmailing people, but I think he's also cleaning people's.

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Speaker 1: Money, right exactly as we know.

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Speaker 3: The CIA has various funny mechanisms that are quite dirty,

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and someone has to claim that money. And I knew

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someone who knew William Colby. He was the director of

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the CIA, and during the seventies that were the Church area.

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Speaker 1: And all that Phoenix program.

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Speaker 3: And he came out and he talked about the Phoenix program.

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Colin help pro all kinds of other Malfi's, the assassination

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programs that were and William Colby, I think, as far

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as a CI director goes, he wasn't a bad guy.

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Speaker 2: As far as the CI director goes, Now, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of latitude. But William Colby had told someone who

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I leave one of his main he had two main

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regrets about his time in the CIA. And here's a

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guy that like oversaw in the Phoenix program, which was unbelievable.

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But his two main regrets were that the CIA created

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some funding mechanisms so I didn't have to listen to Congress,

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and they were And the reason why the CI decided

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to do that is, and I understand this to a

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certain degree, Joseph Stalin had the hydrogen bond, and Joseph

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Stalin was an individual that really didn't.

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Speaker 2: Put much of a premium amount of human life.

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Speaker 3: So I can understand why the CI would think, well,

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fighting now Stalin has the hydrogen bomb, fighting communism is

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too important to be left to politicians.

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Speaker 2: So I understand that. And they started creating their own.

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Speaker 3: Funding mechanisms and Kobe regretted that, and he said that

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we just should have in retrosp we shouldn't have done

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that because it gave us too much autonomy. And he

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almosto said to this individual that he and he had

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kind of re embraced Catholicism.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm aware of that, and that might have been

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why he met, you know, a mysterious demise on his

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boat where he seems to have disappeared when he was

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out boating one day. Do you think that's a little

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a little suss.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the story, I just want to say

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one thing else, and this really would have gotten him

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in trouble. He had misgivings, strong misgivings about the sea.

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I've gotten a children, that's the other thing that right,

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And I don't think this individual who said that was lying.

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William Kobe went canoeing in April. He was under the

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weather and he didn't have any shoes.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, if people think that he fell out

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of his canoe and drowned and then they found his

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body basically where they found the canoe some days later,

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so it was I mean, this is just my extrapolation.

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Speaker 3: I think that he was worked over a little bit

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and find found out whoever organ him over wanted to

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find out what he talked to.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Maxwell had a boating accident too, right,

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or that's the story.

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Speaker 2: At least he fell out of his Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I've been told that Maxwell Maxwell dain Mashwell's father.

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Speaker 2: He had a publishing empire, and.

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Speaker 3: He Pilford the retirement savings of all the workers.

476
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Speaker 2: And I've been told by ry Ben Manashian.

477
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Speaker 3: Some of the stuff that he says is really right

478
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,039
on and some of it isn't. But he said that

479
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,640
Maxwell was he wanted to pay that money back, and

480
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,559
that he was trying to leverage the Israeli intelligence to

481
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,160
massade and when you try to blackmail intelligence agencies.

482
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Speaker 2: It doesn't really work very right.

483
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Speaker 1: That was history, Yeah, I mean I could see that.

484
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:21,160
And now that pilfering retirement is interesting because this seems

485
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,079
to pop up a lot in these scandals, which I'm

486
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,279
sure you're you're very familiar with. You've noticed that. I

487
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,640
don't know if you've read Paul Williams's book on Gladio,

488
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,319
because that one's fascinating where he ties in the the

489
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,160
Colby side of you know, that era of the Cold War,

490
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where you know, Kobe Cobe was really in a in

491
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:46,599
a in a way adjacent to Gladio UH and the

492
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,200
drug funding that went into that. But he also notes

493
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that when when this was set up in Italy, the

494
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way that he alleged Kischener set it up was that

495
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they had this sort of structure where the P two

496
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,079
Lodge and various late Leccio Gelli and other members of

497
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:13,279
that Masonic order, they were able to blackmail a lot

498
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:19,160
of the Italian politicians and Curia and that in the

499
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,720
the bankled Ambrosio scandal, there was also the pilfering of

500
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people's retirements, So this seems to be a recurring pattern too.

501
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,599
Is like there's blackmail, but the blackmail isn't just blackmail,

502
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,640
there's also you know, usually attendance with that some form

503
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of economic crime.

504
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Speaker 2: Well, these people are predatory psychopaths. I mean, they don't

505
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:44,559
care if they take someone's retirement pension. Sure, it's not

506
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going to be a big deal to them.

507
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Speaker 3: I mean, if they're willing to pander children last, yeah, exactly,

508
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,039
stealing people's retirement pensions aren't going to be a big

509
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:59,759
deal to them. So getting back to that strange memo

510
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:05,920
that was released by the Department of Justice and the

511
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,599
FBI last week that no one signed. It said that

512
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Epstein molested over a thousand girls by himself, that he

513
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,000
didn't have any help, didn't pander any of them, had

514
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:27,799
no role in ci or blackmail. And they must think

515
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:36,599
that Americans are really, really stupid, because when about two

516
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,880
months after Epstein moffed himself for ostensibly often himself, depending

517
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,200
on your perspective, the New York Times published an article

518
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:50,359
and it named six of Epstein's pimps. One was Glaine Maxwell,

519
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,400
and was Sarah Call and this was when Maxwell, and

520
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,599
the rest one was Blaine Maxwell, Sarah Hellen, Leslie Groth,

521
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:02,000
Adriana Ross, Naddie Marsenkova, and Haley Robson. And actually Robson

522
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:07,720
admitted to that journalist that she had plundered her high

523
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:08,559
school to.

524
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,279
Speaker 2: Get underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein.

525
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,559
Speaker 3: To molest but Killen, Groff, Ross, and Marson Covid. They

526
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,359
know what went on. They were integral to Jeffrey Epstein's machine,

527
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,119
and as far as pimping the girls and the logistics

528
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:29,920
of it, they were integral.

529
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,119
Speaker 2: And we've known about their names.

530
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Speaker 3: Just if we just took that New York Times article

531
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from August of twenty nineteen that would give us, that

532
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,799
would give the Department of Justice enough information to start

533
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:51,720
indicting Kellen Ross and Noddy Marson. Coba that there's enough

534
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,119
information in that article to indict them and once they weren't.

535
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:03,200
And child trafficking is a heavy, heavy sentence in the

536
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federal system.

537
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: It's fifteen years.

538
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:09,039
Speaker 3: To life, and you charge them with five or six

539
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,799
concept john trafficking, which wouldn't be easy because they were

540
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,039
trafficking children for years and they were looking at five

541
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:19,160
or six lifetimes in prisons. They'd roll over on the

542
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,599
purpose and a heartbeat if they thought they were right,

543
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,720
could be protected. So just that in and of itself

544
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:38,119
is enough information. She completely wipe out what that document

545
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,599
is saying that.

546
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Speaker 1: Jeffreys, Yeah, that's that's amazing. Now, what do you think

547
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,640
about this recent story that just Lene is saying that

548
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,880
she will tell everybody everything? Is this silly? Is this real?

549
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,960
What do you think's going on here?

550
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 3: In the Fraanklin scandal, there were two pimps. One was

551
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,799
Lawrence King of Omaha and one was Craig Spencer Washington, DC.

552
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,679
Spence ended up killing himself, and I do believe a

553
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440
lot of people on the internet have speculated that Spence

554
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:19,800
was suicided. I do believe that he was told either

555
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
you can kill yourself or we can kill you. Because

556
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,880
Spence went to the rich Carleton in Boston who was

557
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960
in a tuxedo, and he wrote a number of things,

558
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,360
and then he took an over dose of no tripling,

559
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,679
which is a anti depressidant. Now, King, when this started to

560
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,519
break with King, he was picked up by US marshals

561
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,039
and taken to the Federal Hospital in Springfield, Missouri. And

562
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that's just called the hospital and strange things, I mean

563
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,559
have I've been told that strange things happen at the

564
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:08,800
hospital and when King, and I do believe this is

565
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,039
what happened. King, you've done some good work for us.

566
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,280
You've managed a blackmail a lot of people. You know,

567
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,920
we've let you molest kids to your heart's contended.

568
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to.

569
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,639
Speaker 3: Do some time for your financial Cristulity took forty million

570
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,360
dollars from the Franklin Grad Union, but I think a

571
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,400
lot of that money was diverted to a rand conference.

572
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,960
But anyway, they said to King, you're going to have

573
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,800
to keep your mouth shut and then we'll put you

574
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up in a really nice federal prison, and then when

575
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,920
you get out, we'll give you a no show job.

576
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:51,360
And he was put in Rochester, the Rochester, Minnesota Federal Prison,

577
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,760
which is kind of known to be club fed a

578
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,280
lot of high ranking mafiosi and other Baker was incarcerated there.

579
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,039
Lynn and the Rouche was incarcerated there. And actually at

580
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:09,079
that time I had a buddy that was incarcerated there.

581
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My buddy was a dispenser of herbal life as we

582
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:17,519
called it, but otherwise called by the federal government marijuana,

583
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,199
and he got busted with a fairly large quantity of

584
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,440
marijuana and he ended up and it was a non

585
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,159
violent drug offense marijuana, but he ended up still gaining

586
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:29,800
five years.

587
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,199
Speaker 2: And he was there and.

588
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: I checked him out one day. I visited him and

589
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:41,039
I saw Jim Baker, and actually there was Joey Iopa.

590
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,480
He had been the boss of the Chicago mafia for

591
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,960
quite some time. I got to meet Joey too, So

592
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,039
it was a it was it was definitely a very

593
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:55,440
interesting cast. Well. But King was there at the same time.

594
00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:00,559
My friend was there, and my friend said that King was.

595
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,360
I mean, you could tell him was a con man.

596
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,280
But this is kind of interesting. The other high profile

597
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,199
victor or criminals there wanted nothing to do with King,

598
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:17,480
and I think that they knew that he was working

599
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:22,199
with the government. Yes, but then King got let out

600
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and he married a new beard and now and then

601
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:33,679
he had a no show job at Alexandria, Virginia beyond Oarship,

602
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:39,960
and then he lives in a nice townhouse in western Virginia.

603
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,199
I went and visited him, and he wasn't.

604
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Really enthralled about talking to me.

605
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Speaker 3: And what really troubles me about King Lawrence King is

606
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,320
there aren't people in the government that know he's a

607
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,199
super predator. I mean, he's a great white shot. And

608
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,320
he veiled himself into Grandville Academy. And when I found

609
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,880
out about that, I found out that Grandville Academy isn't

610
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,079
even a school. At Snyvan Academy, it thinks lower socioeconomic

611
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:17,320
children on field trips.

612
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,639
Speaker 2: And I thought, this is a very very bad idea.

613
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, called Grandville Academy, I had other people called Granville Academy.

614
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,079
Speaker 2: And then he got booted out of there.

615
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:30,599
Speaker 3: And then he ended up on the Washington Redskins Event Committee,

616
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,800
and I thought that that was a bad idea too.

617
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,519
And then the Washington Redskins Event Committee was in and

618
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,519
date with phone calls, and then he was kicked.

619
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Speaker 2: Out of there.

620
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: And then I found out that he was at Opera Nova,

621
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,840
which it serves another functions, but it teaches lower socioeconomic

622
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,559
hwe how to sing.

623
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,679
Speaker 2: And I thought that that was really a bad idea.

624
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,199
Speaker 3: So I got him kicked out of there, and now

625
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,719
he's at a church that I can't seem to get

626
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,920
him kicked out of. So, and here's what's troubling about

627
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,320
that this guy has molested god knows how many children

628
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:09,039
and it's up to a journalist to protect children from

629
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:10,800
him instead of the federal government.

630
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: Right, and there fens that know how predatory this guy is.

631
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: So it's.

632
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, that's really an egregious situation.

633
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,519
Speaker 1: And you're saying that those two pimps analogous maybe to

634
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,639
just laying now.

635
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that Bilane was told if you keep your

636
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,599
mouth shut, you'll do about ten years, and they put

637
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:40,360
her in dormitory living really quickly. Usually inmates that end

638
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,719
up in dormitory living have been there a while they've

639
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,039
been exemplary prisoners and they can see the end of

640
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:48,400
their sentence coming up.

641
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 2: So I think that that was the deal.

642
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: I think King and Maxwell took the same deal, and

643
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,800
I think that Spence and Epstein took the same deal

644
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,280
to but they ended up dead.

645
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, So basically, just Laine's saying now that she

646
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,719
will tell the true story is just nonsense, just just

647
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:13,920
media nonsense.

648
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's so much coming out now that

649
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,400
is there are so many fabrications that are being manufactured

650
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:31,840
at this point. It's people are blaming Bondi.

651
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:37,199
Speaker 2: I mean, Bondi said what Trump obviously told her to say,

652
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,679
or else you.

653
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,199
Speaker 3: And then so we've got this narrative of Cash, Betel

654
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,239
and Bongino wanting to resign because of what Bondie said. Well,

655
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,400
I mean, if Bondie said it, Trump told her to

656
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,000
say it. I mean that's pretty much that simple. So

657
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:59,320
they're not they would if they resigned. They're not rebelling

658
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,079
against you, they're rebelling me as Trump.

659
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that some of the rumors going around

660
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:11,840
or that there was just too much deep state, you know,

661
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,800
incriminating information high powerful, high powered people that it would

662
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,280
quote bring down the government. Is that really what's going

663
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,920
on here in your mind as to why it was

664
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,440
covered up.

665
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of powerful people involved.

666
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,679
Speaker 3: When I got the Black Book, a bunch of the

667
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,840
names were circled, and that was because Epstein's house manager,

668
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:40,519
afraid to Rodriguez, circled names that he thought were in cahoots.

669
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,760
Was Jeffory Epstein as far as his pedophilic pantter in

670
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
enterprise and Ghlaine Maxwell's name is circle.

671
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: And then Virginia grew free.

672
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:52,679
Speaker 3: And Ghlaine Maxwell they lacked horns in a defamation suit

673
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,760
and ultimately Maxwell gave th three millions of dollars. We

674
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,679
don't have a number on it, but she was given

675
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:06,079
a million dollars. So Max Rodriga circled Maxwell and were

676
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:12,239
free named Maxwell. Rodriguez circled to who Barack and Virginia

677
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:18,960
who free named who Barack. Rodriga circled Les Wexner, and

678
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,599
Virginia named Les Wexner as an abuser. Same with Alan

679
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:26,280
dersho At, same with Bill Richardson. And then there's people

680
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:32,079
that are circled in the Black Book that Virginia didn't name.

681
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,199
And then there's other people that Virginia named like the

682
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,960
former Majority leader George Mitchell. Virginia said that she was

683
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:46,360
molested by him, and he seems like a benign, grandfatherly type.

684
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,880
But I believe Virginia. And what you can tell with

685
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,000
when you look at the Black Book and you start

686
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:58,239
deciphering it, how many contact numbers did Epstein have for

687
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,800
these people? And that will give you an dacation.

688
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: Like with me, Yeah, like some of the numbers had

689
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,119
like it was like four or five, you know, phone numbers,

690
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,199
and it's like, how is there so many phone numbers?

691
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: He had like eight or nine for Mitchell, he had

692
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,199
twelve for Trump, and for Clinton he had twenty five.

693
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,880
So obviously Epstein and Clinton were in contact quite a

694
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:31,599
bit so and that, yeah, that's another indication of how many, ah,

695
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,679
how he and these fur traders and epsteinm were connected

696
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,400
is by how.

697
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:41,199
Speaker 1: There was also I remember reading through there. I've read

698
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,079
most of the of the Black Book one night. There

699
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,239
was a lot of hotels and spas too. That was interesting.

700
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: But when you think about this, think about the pilots,

701
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:56,079
the limit, all these people that were privy to this,

702
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,159
and there would be and you could indict all of them.

703
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,440
I mean, we know who, we know who the some

704
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:09,360
of the limousine drivers are. We could indict them and

705
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,000
they would roll over in a heartbeat. But this would

706
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,480
be like one of the easiest reco cases that's ever

707
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:19,639
been prosecuted by the Department of Justice.

708
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,599
Speaker 2: The Department of Justice just doesn't have the will.

709
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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, yes, there are powerful people

710
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:32,239
in uh that Ebstein was panorin children too. But also,

711
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,079
and this is one of the reasons why Franklin was

712
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,960
immaculately covered up. According to state and federal authorities, not

713
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,840
a single child had been abused by the Franklin network,

714
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,119
which is kind of mind boggling. But I think we're

715
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:51,840
looking at at a political system where blackmail it is

716
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:57,920
endemic exactly. I think that that's is also what's being predicted.

717
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,920
And there was a really gutsy federal legislator named Kim

718
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,559
Bershett from Tennessee. He's in he's in the House of Representatives,

719
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,800
and he basically came out and said, my colleagues are

720
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,840
being compromised in.

721
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,679
Speaker 2: Honeypots or honeytraps.

722
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: So that's still going on, and these guys are Nothing

723
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,719
makes people stupid like lust, arrogance, and greed.

724
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask next. Is I mean,

725
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,159
if you're a high profile person, if you're a billionaire,

726
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,639
you know, you're some sort of British royalty. No, I mean,

727
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,800
is there not some sort of awareness or discernment that

728
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,880
maybe if I'm going to this thing, I might be

729
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,960
being compromised. I've wondered this ever since, you know, coming

730
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,719
in contact with your book, and you know, a lot

731
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,440
of these cases. I read a book recently, just a

732
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,480
history of sexpionage, and you know, this is sort of

733
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,960
an This is you know, way older than what we

734
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,119
know about. They were. They were, you know, getting honey traps,

735
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719
you know, thousands of years ago in ancient empires. And

736
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,400
I'm just wondering, like, is there no like debriefing of

737
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,639
powerful people that you know, if you're a fat, ugly

738
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,159
slob and this beautiful you know, Russian model walks up

739
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,239
to you, maybe you're being you know what I mean.

740
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about that political blackmail is as old

741
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,639
as our republic. Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with

742
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,800
a twenty three year old who was married, and there

743
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,920
we go Alexander Hamilton and Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson

744
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,679
had a tremendous amount of antipathy towards each other. So

745
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,440
when Jefferson got elected, this muckraker who outed Hamilton felt

746
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,719
like Jefferson owed him an appointment in his administration and

747
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,559
Jefferson wouldn't do it, So he outed Jefferson for having

748
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,280
sex with his slave, Sally Hamilton's. And we do know

749
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,480
from DNA that the Jefferson lineage is in and the

750
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:08,360
lineage of these children from Sally Hammings. So political blank

751
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and the reason why political blank mel doesn't talked about.

752
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
People are very naive about it because the media doesn't

753
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,280
report on because the number of people in the media

754
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,239
are compromised.

755
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,039
Speaker 1: But what a powerful families and people be aware of this.

756
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,119
That's what I don't understand is like, you know, did

757
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,280
know nobody'd give Prince Andrew, you know, some sort of

758
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,960
talk like you know, beware this is a reality, you

759
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,400
know what I mean?

760
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,599
Speaker 2: Well, they could have done that, but then once Prince

761
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,960
Andrew's limbic system kicked.

762
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: In, Okay, well true, good boy, And.

763
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,679
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of examples of that. Larry

764
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,320
Craig was.

765
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,119
Speaker 3: Hardcore family values, right wing Republican from Idaho. He was

766
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,079
in Washington, DC for twenty five years, first as a

767
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:05,639
representative US representative and then as a Senator. And I

768
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:09,360
wrote a book called Confessions of DC of a DC Madam,

769
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,440
the Politics of sex lives with a guy named Henry

770
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:20,719
VI and Craig was a frequent flyer at Henry's escort service.

771
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,000
And then there was a documentary that came out called

772
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:28,039
Outrage by Kirby Dick, who's a pretty renowned documentary and

773
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:32,719
he showed how all these right wing politicians or a

774
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,880
number of right wing politicians vote against that are closeted,

775
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,000
vote against k rights.

776
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 2: And he was so Craig was getting escorts from people

777
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,960
other than Henry Vincent.

778
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,599
Speaker 3: And then he was at a in a Minneapolis airport

779
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,320
and he was in the bathroom and there's this, I

780
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,599
guess there's a gate have signaling where someone slaps her

781
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:03,840
foot on the floor and then that signal to a

782
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,800
person that you know, let's let's get it on. And Craig,

783
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,519
a senator for who's been in Washington, DC for twenty

784
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,559
five years, trying to pick up a vice flat cop

785
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,960
in a bathroom at the Minneapolis International Airport now, how

786
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,480
hard would it be for that guy to be compromised.

787
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,239
I mean, a kid doing an after school extra credit

788
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,920
with a smartphone could compromise. And I just want to

789
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,840
say this. I'm from Minneapolis, and I go back to

790
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,440
Minneapolis about once a year to see my friends and family.

791
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,679
And I was sitting on a commode in a Minneapolis

792
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,480
restroom and the guy in the in the stall next

793
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,039
to me was slapping his foot on the ground and

794
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,000
I thought he had like a neurological disorder. I mean,

795
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,079
I felt bad for him. I'm just glad I didn't

796
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:05,039
say can I help you?

797
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, I guess the moral there is with

798
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,880
people that are sort of out there was sort of

799
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,280
out of control, right, so they really just can't control

800
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,960
in these situations. Right.

801
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: Well, I got to a black mail photographer for the

802
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,800
Franklin Network for the Franklin Network, and it was when

803
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,400
I was trying to get my mind.

804
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Around it, all of it.

805
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd never come across anything like this. For

806
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,599
there wasn't a book about it. I mean, John DeCamp

807
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,760
had written a book, but I didn't. It wasn't very

808
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,920
I didn't think it was very informative, and I mean,

809
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,199
it showed that something had gone down in Omaha, I felt,

810
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,679
but not the bigger network.

811
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,559
Speaker 2: And then when I realized how big this.

812
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,039
Speaker 3: Network was and that it was involved with blackmail and

813
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:02,239
it was involved with intelligence, I went to the I

814
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,079
was trying to lack off it and I've just said, well,

815
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:08,840
how does this work? And he said to me, once

816
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,360
you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. It's a

817
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,079
beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day, and you can

818
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,079
have anything you want on the yacht. Well, if you

819
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,719
decide to get off the yacht, the people on the

820
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,639
yacht are going to make.

821
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: Sure that you drown.

822
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.

823
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you're compromised, it's going to help your career.

824
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Dennis hastard Is.

825
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: Was a pedophile Speaker of the House for seven years,

826
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,119
so I believe, and actually the FBI knew about it.

827
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,679
According to Sabelle Admins, the FBI knew about his shadow

828
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,800
life when he was Speaker of the House, but they

829
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,280
gave him a panais. And I think that he's an example,

830
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,159
and there's other examples that I know of people that

831
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,199
were compromised and was really advantageous to their career.

832
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so that there's not really any incentive to

833
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,320
not when you know you can be fed the vice

834
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,800
that you have, and then if you don't want to

835
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,840
stay on the yacht, you're going to have a boat accident,

836
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,119
which many people have had voting accidents. Right, So uh yeah,

837
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:14,079
Now your book is of course about the Franklin cover up.

838
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,119
Are you going to run an Epstein book?

839
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:19,199
Speaker 2: I'm working on Epstein book right now.

840
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: I've been so busy. I've got a lot written about

841
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,320
Epstein and I've got some stuff on Epstein that no

842
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,000
one else.

843
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,079
Speaker 1: Is, right, right, I figured you would. Yeah, you're a

844
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:29,719
pioneer of this.

845
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: So I've been working. But I'm also the director of

846
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,519
Epstein Justice, which is taking off right now, and I've

847
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,480
been working really really hard to get Epstein Justice off

848
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,800
the ground. And with Epstein Justice, what we want is

849
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,400
the Truth and Reconciliation Commission by our Congress to look

850
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,239
at Jeffrey Epstein and doing an independent investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.

851
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,840
And this isn't going to be easy. What we want

852
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,280
is not going to be easy. But I think why

853
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:17,960
we're seeing so much blowback with Epstein is. Americans have

854
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:22,039
eaten a lot of shit as far as lies by

855
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:28,280
the government, but the trafficking of children is a bridge

856
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,079
too far for them. And that's why I believe we're

857
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,599
seeing what we're seeing right now with the blowback with

858
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:40,599
Epstein is and you're seeing a lot of people flee

859
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,880
Magia too, because they wanted the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.

860
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: This was something that was very.

861
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,039
Speaker 3: Very important to them, and we're not getting the truth

862
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:55,800
about Jeffrey Epstein. I'm the administration wanted to just shut

863
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,559
it down, and that's not going to be possible because,

864
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,400
as I said, the white elephant might be dead, but

865
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,920
it's still in the living room, and I don't think

866
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,360
there's going to be any way for us to get

867
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,000
the black the white elephant out. And I've been at

868
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,119
this a while and it's usually people on the right

869
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,599
that are very concerned about child drafvening. I mean, I've

870
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:22,519
met I know that that is a gross generalization. But

871
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,239
when I was ready in the Franklin scandal, I got

872
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,360
seal grand jury documents, seal gran jury testimony. I got

873
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,760
a lot of information, and most of that information came

874
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,480
from people from the right. I approached people on the

875
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:39,000
left that were privy to a lot of franglined things,

876
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,920
and they were they wouldn't they really didn't want to

877
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,559
talk to me. So this is a major issue for

878
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,599
people on the right, But now we're starting to get

879
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:53,119
people on the left engage too. I was on a

880
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:58,000
podcast this morning of a I don't know, for lack

881
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:02,400
of better word, of progressive publication, and the woman said

882
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:08,079
to me, why are people so outraged about this? And

883
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:11,320
that's how lost she is. I mean, why are people

884
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,360
so outraged about this? It's because children are getting monsted

885
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,039
with impunity.

886
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,159
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an idea of how egregious this

887
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:21,840
problem is.

888
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 3: According to the Centers for Disease Control, twenty five percent

889
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,960
of underage girls and five percent of underage boys have

890
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:33,559
been molested. Now, people in the field, and I've spoken

891
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,760
at I've really gotten to know a lot about child traffing,

892
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,440
and I've spoken at some very big child trafficking conferences,

893
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,679
and I've gotten.

894
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: To know a lot of people involved with that.

895
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: And there's some really there's some really good people in

896
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,480
this field, and then there's people that But there are

897
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:54,559
some really good people in this field. But ac putting

898
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,440
to the CDC. When you look at the number of

899
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,440
boys and number of girls that have been molested when

900
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,000
they were under age, five percent for boys is way conservative.

901
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:08,960
But if you could just go with those numbers, you've

902
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,559
got over fifty million Americans that have been molested they

903
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,519
were underage. And then according to the Department of Health

904
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:22,280
and Human Services, they did a study and they found

905
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,719
that two hundred and forty thousand to three hundred and

906
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,360
twenty five thousand women and children are trafficked in the

907
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:36,639
United States every year. Now here's where we really It

908
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,159
just shows how children's rights are just trampled on. So

909
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,760
if we go with the most conservative number from the

910
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,079
Department of Health and Human Services, which is two hundred

911
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:53,079
and forty thousand, there was a every year the Federal

912
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,159
Human Trafficking Report comes out, and the last one was

913
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:59,880
for twenty twenty three. There were six hundred and sixty

914
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,519
four individuals nationwide that were charged with child sex draft

915
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,119
six hundred and sixty four individuals. So if you take

916
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,880
the lowest number from the Department of Health and Human

917
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,519
Services two hundred and forty thousand, we're not even charging

918
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,440
We're charging a fraction of one percent of the people

919
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,760
that are trafficking children, and millions of hours of child

920
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,199
abuse material are on the internet, millions, And according to

921
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:33,920
the US Sencing Commission, one thousand, three hundred and seventy

922
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,559
five individuals were convicted for crimes entailing child abuse material

923
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:44,800
and twenty twenty three. So again we're only it's a

924
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,880
fraction of one percent.

925
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,599
Speaker 5: And you've got millions of Americans that have been molested,

926
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:56,880
that have been five for child abuse material, and and we.

927
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:03,519
Speaker 3: Have ostensibly all these law enforcement entities that are going

928
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:08,760
that are arresting child traffickers, and you've got all these

929
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,960
anti trafficking organize NGOs, but yet a fraction of one

930
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,760
percent of these if you're a psychopath, and this would

931
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,639
be the area that you'd want to get into because

932
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:26,039
there's such a small number of people that are actually

933
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:28,119
being even charged.

934
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: Wow, that's unreal.

935
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: And and and here's what's there's a there's a number

936
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,679
of things why why Epstein is so important. But so

937
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:43,880
we've got these millions of Americans that have been molested

938
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:49,239
and also traffic millions. And if we allow the Department

939
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:55,320
of Justice to be apathetic and unresponsive to victims in

940
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,559
a proven trafficking case, the Epstein trafficking case.

941
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,519
Speaker 2: That sends a message to millions of victims that they

942
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:04,639
have no voice and no hope for justice.

943
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: Demoralizing, sort of a humiliation ritual almost.

944
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,159
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being a victim of this type of

945
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,079
abuse and then watching watching all these people that molested

946
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,920
these kids with Epstein walking. I mean that would be totally.

947
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Speaker 1: Demoralized, right, Yeah, Well maybe that's part of what's going on,

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is to discourage people from thinking, you know, you'll ever

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get an injustice, so that that makes sense actually from

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a dark perspective there.

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Speaker 3: It's it's uh, it's quite appalling, and I'm glad that

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we've been working at Epstein Justice for it's been we

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got a five O one seed three a couple of

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years ago, and it's been slow growing, but now we're

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picking up momentum. And Americans are fundamentally decent people.

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Speaker 2: I really believe that, and they want to do the

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right thing.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them have been conditioned to

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think that they can't make a difference, and I think

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that that's that was a very strong poll for Trump.

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Is they thought that Trump could make a difference, Yes, right,

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and now they're seeing that Trump is I mean, he

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did some things early on with uh Lon Musk, who's.

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Speaker 2: Also said some very unbecoming things about Trump in this area.

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Speaker 3: Well, what we what we're seeing is Trump going back

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to this Sam Old cover that. There's been four administrations that.

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Speaker 2: Have covered this up to Republicans, two Democratics.

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Speaker 3: So when you see, I mean, that's how important it is,

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and that's how rife our political system is with BLACKMAILT

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is if it's if it's good, it's covered up by

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both the Democrats and the Republicans because both the.

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Speaker 2: Democrats, yeah's a uniparty are compromised. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, Nick, thank you so much for coming on.

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I appreciate you giving us your take. You're an expert

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on this situation, and I'm going to have all nixt

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links below, including to get his books, including to check

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out his podcast and uh the Justice for Epstein website

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as well. Nick, thank you so much for coming on,

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And I look forward to a future podcast where we

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talk about God and philosophy.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Jay, it's a it's a it's a much easier time with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little less heavy, but maybe it's also

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it's heavy in a different way. But thank you so much,

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Nick

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Speaker 2: Great Jay I have a great day you too, man Bye,