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believe in absolute divine simplicity. And No, as you just

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saw from Saint Basil contrasted to Platinus at the beginning

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of this talk, the early Christian Church was not synthesizing

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Greek philosophy with Revelation. No, they were not. This is

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where we have to depart now. The medieval scholastic Roman

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Catholics sought a synthesis between Greek philosophy and revelation. That's

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not that's why we're not Roman Catholics. No, that's why

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we don't believe in classical foundationalism like the Thomas and

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the Catholics do. There is no neutrality, there's no middle ground.

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There's no realm where Jesus and autonomous Man and Satan

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have agreed to have a peace treaty. I mean, this

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is the same argument. You know, the goes on between

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why there's not a a why dogma doesn't or or

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the church should have no relationships to the state. These

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are Protestant assumptions. There's no orthodox social theory. Why well,

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because that's a neutral realm. No, it's not. When you

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read the Ten Commandments, God says, you're not supposed to

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worship foreign God's that's applies everybody. God applies the law

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to all the nations. The nations are wicked because they

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worship false gods. That's not an Old Testament thing. Jesus says,

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go out and convert the nations because they're in paganism.

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They're evil. So there's no neutrality. This is the fallacy

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of the Enlightenment, the neutrality fallacy, the idea that there

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are there is a common ground, a neutral ground like

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logic or math, or some arena of science like studying

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the earthworm, where where the atheist and the unbeliever can

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just agree, we can agree that this is common ground. No,

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you don't. You can't agree because logic in the mind

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of the believer, the world view of the believer, is

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completely different from what it is in the world view

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the unbeliever. Every time you debate with him, it shows

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that logic is not a common ground. Now, the reason

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people have been confused over this is because, well, the

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atheist is using logic. I'm using logic, so why can't

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it be a common ground. Because logic in their system

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functions without God. It's magic for them, it's a magical,

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mystical load up for the mystery to right. But it

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makes no sense in their system, so it's not actually

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common ground. The only reason it's common ground is because

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God exists, and because they're creatures of God. But there

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are creatures of God in rebellion against God, as Paul

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says in Romans Won. So in other words, they're using

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logic in spite of their atheism, in spite of their

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stupid system that does not make any sense at all.

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of the classical apologist of thinking, well, we've got common

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ground with a look, come on, we both believe in logic,

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we both believe in general principles of truth of morality.

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No you don't, No, you don't. They will use those things,

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but those things don't make sense in their system, and

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they do not have a neutral approach to those things.

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they're not neutral. They are completely agenda driven. They are

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completely biased. They have their biases and presubpositions like every

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single human being, as we all do. And that's why

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there's no such thing as new traity. There is absolutely

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no way to approach any object anything in the world

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with complete scientific Enlightenment neutrality. It doesn't exist. It's a

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fiction of the Enlightenment. There's no such thing. We can

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strive to be objective, we can strive to be neutral,

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and we should in debate and discourse as much as

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is possible. But that is a different question from whether

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it actually exists. In fact, it does not. If God exists,

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and it's the God that we believe, right, not some

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made up thing. If it's the God that's revealed in scripture, tradition,

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right orthodoxy, Logic does not function on its own, independent

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and autonomously from God. Humans do not reason independently, autonomously

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apart from God. They are using the gifts that God

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gave them against God himself. As one philosopher said, it's

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like a child sitting on the lap of the father,

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That's what's going on when the atheist uses logic. Okay,

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it's like, uh, you know, wiley coyote is standing on

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the branch, right, the atheist is the wiley cote standing

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on the branch. God is the branch. The tree holding

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him up, and he's sawing the branch off that he's

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standing on. That's what the atheist does. That's the best

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proper analogy for understanding how it's really going down. Okay,

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it's not. It's not two people in a courtroom, the

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theist and the atheist, and logic is this impartial judge

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between the two of them and whoever presents the best evidence. No,

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because evidence doesn't operate in neutrality. Evidence doesn't operate outside

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of a context, outside of a system. So you have

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Lee's trouble or you know intelligent design people. I read

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those stuff all the time. That stuff's great. But the

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problem is that you can you can show an atheist

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a million examples of that stuff, and he's always going

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to interpret it through his rose colored glasses. You need

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an apologetic argument that punches his nose and knocks the

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glasses off metaphorically speaking, don't do that in real life.

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to challenge him such that he understands that not only

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does he not have an objective neutral standpoint. He has

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an agenda. He's in rebellion. He rejects God. Read Romans one. Right,

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rebelling against God because they're sons of Adam, because of

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ancestral sin. They're not neutral. You're not neutral. You're either

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be agnostic about this. There's only two kingdoms sheep and goats, right,

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Jesus Kingdom and the Kingdom of the world. The kingdom

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of the world is under the dominion of Satan. Now

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that doesn't mean gnosticism. Okay. This is what gnostics do

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kingdoms of this world. The Church go forth and convert

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Christ is not banished or excommunicated from the social order.

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presuppose Jesus has banished from the social sphere and Christianity

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popular twentieth century you know, otherwise good theologians, right like Lasky.

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no social teaching. What of course it does. What are

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you talking about? Right? So even Losky, unfortunately, as good

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saint and think that there's no social teaching. This is

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retarded only when you have the assumptions and presubsisitions of Americanism,

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which is based on Enlightenment neutrality. Could you even think

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this anyway? So we got kind of way off here.

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transcendent arguments, not a generic theism argument. It's an argument

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specifically for our God. Now how did we get to that, Well,

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against the world religions. When the world religions seek for

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their absolute principle, their great you know, concrete absolute, or

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their great number or whatever they're looking for, what do

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they come up with? All is fire, all is water,

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doesn't matter, put anything in there. They're looking for logos, Okay,

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principle in nature or numbers like Pythagoras or something, and

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that doesn't work. And that's going to relate directly to

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how we're going to tie all of these transcendentals in together.

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categories will assume a certain kind of God and world,

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namely ours. So I'm going to show you how numbers

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prove God, and not just any God, but that they

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point directly to an omniscient, divine mind, the kind of

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God we're talking about. But I did want to finish

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these super chats here before we get to that. What

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I don't know who Jeff Durbin is. Doug Wilson, I

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can't stand he's a fraud Sigitan bugin Kata. Everything I've

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heard from him is retarded. These people are not very

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good debaters, So no, I don't have anything to do

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that book by Ja doctor Lyle is good. So people

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just this question. We did this on another talk too.

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the name of that place, but it's they have a

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lot of jon doctor Jason Lyles books. This is a

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good introduction to presubsitionalism. So it's cheap. If you want that,

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go get that, because I get asked every day what's

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the introduction to this? That one's good. And then you

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can't beat the classic from m HM Doctor Bohnson Always

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Ready as a classic, cheap, cheap book. And uh, again

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we're not Calvinists, we don't affirm the Calvinism. Always Ready

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as a classic. I'm looking for a book, uh where

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make sure that we align our apologetics with Orthodox theology.

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by reading Aaron as an orthodox apologetic methodology, a neopatristic

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presuppositionalism by father shooting. So every time we do the talk,

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want to read. Those are good. And let's see, we

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got a couple more questions here. So I don't know

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Doug Wilson has used the same confused nonsense attempt to understand.

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Doug Wilson thinks Orthodoxy has no Platonism. I mean he

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said that for like the last ten years. He has

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no idea what he's talking about. Robert Taylor five dollars,

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love you, Jay, keep up the good work. A blessed

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peace day, Mary entering the Temple to become the Temple

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of God. Correct, Yes, see my essay typology as apologetic,

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and we'll see that Mary as the temple of God,

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which she's sung to be in the liturgy, doesn't make

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any sense if the Old Testament is against the New Testament.

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I mean, come on, this is like a no brainer

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nosis for the masses. Ten dollars. Hey, J we'll save

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this video to watch later. Will you ever discuss the

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issues of Buddhist philosophy. I'm curious of your take on this.

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the original point I was making earlier about the impersonal

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absolute again, let's go back to this and we're going

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point here about in God history and dialectic, this is

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this is applicable to all the world religions. You see,

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it's only in our system, in our belief system. I

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can't see it's only in our belief system where you're

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see that God is won, but he's not an impersonal absolute,

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giant negation, a giant, vast ocean of nothingness where you

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become a drop that melds into the vast, infinite ocean

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of nothingness. That is obvious. That is completely satanic. There's

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nothing more satanic than a system that wants man to

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destroy his identity. Now they'll say, well, but yeah, but

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the problem with man is his particularity, his ego, his distinction.

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a metaphysical state, it's moral right. So all the far

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Eastern philosophies positive that man's problem is his metaphysical state

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of being, that he is particular, that he's not he's

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no longer part of the giant thusness. Now we say

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that's satanic. That's not man's problem. Man's problem is that

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he fell, and he's morally accountable to God and he's

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in rebellion against God. So man's problem is not metaphysical,

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it's ethical. The ethical problems of man, namely in the Fall,

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led to the problems of the metaphysical right being being corrupted,

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a corrupted state in the world, the whole universe experiencing corruption,

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as Paul says in Romans eight, because of man's moral sin.

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instead ethical, and that the ethical leads to the metaphysical.

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By the way, it also affects his knowledge. Man's noose

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is blinded by the fault, and that's why he can't

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reason properly about the external world. That's why there's no

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neutrality with the unbeliever is because they don't reason properly.

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You can't reason properly until you repent. Does that mean

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that everything that they say is wrong. No, it means

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that they can't reason properly about God and they will

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misinterpret the world. Doesn't mean they misinterpret everything. Right, we're

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not Calvinists. We don't believe that man is completely depraved.

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He's not totally depraved. Right, He tends towards sin, He

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is corrupted in terms of committing acts of sin. His

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own very being is not sinful. That's called Manicheanism. So

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again a faulty starting point with assuming that the problem

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of man is metaphysical, The problem man is suffering as Buddhism. Right,

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as a suffering being or whatever, his state of being

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as a particular being, his ego, and that kind of

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that's not the problems in man. The fact that you

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are a self, that you're a person, is not your problem.

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God made you a person in his image. The problem

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is that you're falling. The problem is that you're a

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descendant of Adam, and you're a selfish brat until you repent,

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and even after you repent, you're still self is brat

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until you spend your life essentially seeking Christ and seeking Deification,

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overcoming all of these evils that are a result of

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the moral fall. So essentially, then, the far Eastern religions

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are metaphysical in trying to diagnose man's problems, and they

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tend to see his problem as the fact that he's particular.

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This is why they always try to blend men into

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a giant communal blob. This is why the globalists love

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for Eastern religions. Right. And you might say, well, that

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means that atomism and individualism is good. No, they're dialectics.

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There's no premiscy of one over against many. There's no

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premiacy of many over against one. This is why we

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believe in the triune God. God is both many and one,

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and there's no ultimacy of one over the other. There's

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an equal ultimacy in God between the One and the many.

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The starting point is the Father is personal, and he

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communicates his divinity to the Son and to the Spirit

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without there being any subordination. The Father is first among

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equals in the trinity. You see that. And Basil was

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at pains to explain this against the heretics who tried

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to reason that the Son and the Spirit were subordinate

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to the Father. If we say the Father is first,

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then that they thought necessarily implies onto logical subordination to

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the Son and the Spirit, and it doesn't, Basil. So

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there's no reason to think that. And that's because Basil

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is not a dialectician. He's opposing the Greek dialectics and tension. Now,

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all the Far Eastern philosophies have the same assumption of dialectics.

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And when the Greeks used this stuff, they got it

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from the Far Easterns. That's why Plato says in the

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tomaeis that he got all his doctrines from the ancient Egyptians,

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and the ancient Egyptians got it from the previous ancient

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civilizations before them, you know, indo Arians or Mesopotamias, or

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whoever you want it to be. It doesn't matter because

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it's all the same stuff. They're all teaching the same thing.

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They're all teaching giant, abstract metaphysical principles chain of being,

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and the emperor, the pagan emperor's at the top of

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this chain of being. He's Pharaoh, he's closer to the gods.

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You're all the base of the pyramid. It's all the

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same stuff. That's why all the ancient religions have zigroots.

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It's all the same they all teach the same thing.

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Now you said, wait a minute, how is that compatible

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with Jesus. You said there's an Orthodox imperium. You just

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quoted Saint Justinian. Yeah, because when Jesus came, he smashed

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those pagan imperiums and he took him over. And that's

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exactly what Daniel said he wouldn't do. Go listen to

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the Daniel talk. We cover that anyway. So that's why

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far Eastern religions are not really viable, because we're talking

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about starting points and every system has a starting point,

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every system has a grounding axiom, a presupposition, a transcendental

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framework by which the position begins, and it doesn't matter

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in terms of like temporal succession where you start the argument.

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This is another mistake people make, is that they'll make

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a mistake between logical or temporal succession, and they'll assume

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that that means metaphysical or ontological superiority or subordination. And

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in fact, this was Basil's point against the heretics, was

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that just because the Father is spoken of in the

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order of theology, the order of theology as prior and first,

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it doesn't mean that in metaphysical reality that he has

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a supremacy that the Son is in a lesser being. Right,

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So what the hair would do is commit the same

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error that the Begans were doing when they were trying

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to say that because I make a distinction in something logically,

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that in reality it must also therefore be. So that's

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not true. Right, Just because we make a logical distinction

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between the Father and the Son in terms of priority

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in the Godhead does not mean that in reality there

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is a metaphysical subordination between the Son and the Father.

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So you can go read Saint Basil on that. But

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this is a common error people make if you talk

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about something in terms of if I talk about this

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is the classical foundationalist error, right, they talk about the

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fact that there are axioms that we begin with. Right,

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Like they'll say, like if you talk if you debate

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a Dominican, or if you debate a Thomas, they'll say,

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you know, we believe in in foundational axioms like the

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law of laws of logic or laws of non contradiction,

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and those are known with certainty. However, the beliefs, the

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propositions of faith are not known with certitude. How stupid

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is this? They think that the laws of logic are

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more certain than the teachings of God. And this is

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the retardation of Roman Catholicism in its historic acceptance of

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classical foundationalism. No, in fact, the laws of logic don't

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even make sense if God doesn't exist. They presuppose God.

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So you shoot yourself in the foot when you use

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that stupid argument. And you only use that argument because

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you're locked in a stupid system. That's a giant prison.

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It's an idol. Tomism is a giant idol. Anyway, we're

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going to show that to I want to demonstrate that

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with that point about classical foundationalism, John gor has five dollars.

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I have a confession to make on the down vote here. Well,

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I think you're joking, but if you are, I'm sorry

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that you felt the need to downvote, but also thank

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you for the superchat. So I'll exchange one down vote

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for four five dollars. Now, I guarantee you that was

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some Catholic, probably Evan Schultz, getting through a blessed harvest

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by the grace of God. I want you to share

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some blessings and show you how much we appreciate you

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and need you. Well, thank you very much from the

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bottom of my heart. Thank you, Joe, Thank you Having Schultz.

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You're always a big supporter, and God bless you, and

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we thank you for your support. Yes, we're trying to

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trying to reason properly about the faith, and let's get

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into a little more of this deep stuff because I

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know that this is not for everybody, and that's okay,

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but we need to do it because the questions keep

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coming up, and they keep coming up in debates, and

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everybody keeps saying, hey, in the debates. You won't. You

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won't explain how a transcendental argument proves your God. You

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won't explain how logical leads you to God. You just

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say this and say that. Well, I can't do everything

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in one debate, first of all, and you can't control

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where people want to go in a debate. So it's

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not possible to answer every question and prove every proposition

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in a debate. Right, So, in one sense, yes, there

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is one transcendental argument, because all of the arguments improofs

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can be encapsulated under one all encompassing transcendental argument. However,

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in order to explain that and flesh that out, it

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requires a bunch of different points and arguments. So and

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that can never be done in one debate. So let's

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start with numbers. Okay, so everybody knows, hopefully you've read it.

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I wrote the essay several years ago, back in twenty thirteen,

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Numbers prove God, And I was just pointing out that, remember,

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as I said earlier, that there are different transcendental arguments,

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different transcendentals, and we can kind of group them all

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under one big one because none of these things operate

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on their own, right, I mean, it's not like numbers

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just exist apart from other things like concepts or symbols

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or words or minds. Okay, there's no realm of numbers

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floating out there like Plato thought that don't relate to

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God or that don't relate to the human mind. There's

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no sense in which we can speak of language or

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communication for example, that doesn't also assume humans and communicators,

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and well, you could even argue human beings themselves. Right, So,

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for example, if we were just talking about linguistic philosophy

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and communicating truths through language, right, language is full of

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transcendental arguments. This is why some of the presently living

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philosophers who do work in transcendental arguments they often talk

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about language, because language is full of this kind of stuff.

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For example, we assume that predicates and subjects make meaningful

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connections about things in the world. Right, subject and predicate

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and sentence. We assume that the words and the symbols

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used in the sentences doesn't matter what language refer to

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the same objects or concepts. Now, let's take a materialist

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test case to show how stupid this is from the

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materialist perspective. When we talk about this was what was

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going on in the debate with Infidel on boiler Room,

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the Infidel Pharaoh debate that we had the other day

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where we were talking about scientism and he was saying

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that the scientific process. Finally, after a while we got

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into admit that, yes, it uses logic. Well, of course

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it does. There's a logical process and flow to the

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scientific method. Now is logic itself the subject of the

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scientific method when the scientist is studying the earthworm, No,

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of course not. But he's using it. Yes, obviously. So

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we have on the one hand, the scientists studying the earthworm,

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doing his hypothesis, forming his theories or whatever. And then

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he's going through this process of testing, experimentation, reasoning to

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come to conclusions, to sort out the true evidence from

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the false evidence, the control factors from the anomalies, blah

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blah blah. All of this is utilizing logic. Okay, So

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logic is obviously assumed in the process of scientific investigation.

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Edmun Husserl wrote a whole two volume book called Logical

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Investigations to show and argue and spend hundreds of pages

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pointing out how the scientific method presupposes logic. Of course

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it does. But now it's not immediately under the empirical purview,

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is it? No, of course not. So what's going on here?

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How do we explain this well without getting too difficult

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or deep into you know what can be at times

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very obtuse discussions or debates, just simply put, in order

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for this process to at all make sense, there's a

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whole host of things that are being assumed in the

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process of just something like a scientist going through and

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studying earthworms to come up with some conclusion. And it

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doesn't matter whether the scientist knows about this process or

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he's thought about these questions or not. It's still there,

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right the scientists he may have never had a class

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on logic, right. Most of the time when you debate

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these guys, it's like they haven't. They've never had a

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class on basic logic, right, because not only do they

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fail at basic logic and informal fallacies, they're also not

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able to ask more abstracted questions about logic itself. What

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is the umber seven? What is logic? And what do

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they always say? It's a social construct. Human has made

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it up. Now, this is so stupid that it's hard

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to believe that intelligent high IQ people believe this, but

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they do, and they defend it because they need to

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defend it, because as soon as they give way on

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this question, they're immediately conceding the possibility that not everything

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that exists is material. So they're committed to guess what

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a dogma. Everybody has their presuppositions and presupposed dogmas that

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ground their systems. Now, the problem is that their system

467
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,400
is incoherent. It doesn't make sense why it's grounded. Our

468
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,039
system is at least coherent, and it makes sense. It

469
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,720
doesn't mean that everything in the system is perfectly explained.

470
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,720
We don't know everything about our belief system. We don't

471
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,640
know everything about God's actions here and there in the past.

472
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,480
But we can offer a justification for why there's regularity

473
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,799
in nature, which is something the scientific method presupposes, which

474
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,079
is something that no atheists can justify. Hold on. Second,

475
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,839
the kids are being louded here in the parking lot.

476
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,759
Not my kids, by the way, I ain't no baby

477
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:25,039
daddy now. So if we were to think through again,

478
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:31,440
like Infidel's approach to the scientists in the lab, the

479
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,200
scientist is interested in the pragmatic questions of the things

480
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,200
that are before him, of course, nobody denies this. However,

481
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,119
the philosopher of science, and we're engaging in philosophy of

482
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,640
science right here, is asking a more abstracted, higher level

483
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,680
question about what is going on in this process here.

484
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
And this is the same process that all scientists engage

485
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,720
in in all scientific methodology. Obviously, what does it assume? Well,

486
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400
it assumes all kinds of things that are not presently

487
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:06,039
under epistemic purview or empirical preview, I should say so.

488
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:12,159
For example, when he gathers his specimens, he groups them

489
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,480
together according to a category which he believes properly describes earthworms. Right,

490
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,639
earthworms he thinks are a existing group of things that

491
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,800
he has properly identified earthworms from non earthworms. Right. He

492
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,960
didn't let snakes sneak in there. There's no baby snake

493
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,239
sneaking around. He's properly identified the specific species of earthworm

494
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,039
that should be investigated. Here. He's assumed that he has

495
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,400
the ability to operate in the external world to do this, right,

496
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,119
that he's distinct from the from the external world, right,

497
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,480
that he's not just another earthworm. Right, So he's assumed

498
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,199
that scientific method as a process is going to in

499
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,119
some way teach him, no matter how limited he wants

500
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,280
to have it. The scope be it's going to teach

501
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,360
him something about the external world. Right, it's not, And

502
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,400
he's it's not just a phantasm. Right, He's not working

503
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,559
with dreams that he's dreaming up about earthworms. He's actually

504
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:11,400
working with you know, substantial, physical, real, living earthworms. He

505
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,119
assumes that there is a meaning that's going on in

506
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:18,280
this process. Right. Not only is he assuming logic, he's

507
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:24,760
assuming meaning. This process has some kind of meaningful There's

508
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,199
some meaningful aspect or venture at work here that's going to,

509
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,440
in some way, he thinks, contribute to the approximation of truth,

510
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,360
right as it relates to the natural world or earthworms

511
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,840
or whatever. He assumes that this filtering method of scientific

512
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440
process is going to even if he doesn't think his

513
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,000
theory is true, it's at least going to contribute to

514
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,440
the true being discovered. Right. So, even so truth is

515
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,320
presupposed some epistemic metaphysical concept here, universals are assumed by

516
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,960
the fact that he thinks he can delineate earthworms as

517
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,280
this group of things that they all possess certain categories

518
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,800
distinct from other groups of things that don't. Right, So

519
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,880
even if he doesn't believe in universals, and none of

520
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,400
them do, ninety nine point nine percent of them don't,

521
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,960
they're still acting as if universals exist, right that there

522
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,440
are categories of things that possess essences, even though he

523
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
thinks they don't. They're just atoms in a certain configuration,

524
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,920
just random atoms and molecules that just sort of came

525
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,599
together in random configurations. They don't have any actual meaning,

526
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,159
but we're going to pretend that they do. So you're

527
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:41,119
starting to see the pattern here. Logic meaning meaningful connection

528
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:46,920
between terms, symbols and objects in the world, universal categories, essences,

529
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,880
all of these things he don't. He does not think

530
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,639
they're real. They're just useful tools that we will operate

531
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,239
as if they are real, even though they're not. And

532
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,239
we're going to explain the external world even though we

533
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,079
can't really, We're going to approximate it. We're going to

534
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,639
act like it's a movement towards quote truth even though

535
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,000
it's not really truth. Are you starting to see the

536
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:11,079
point here? He acts like a theist. He assumes all

537
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,960
these things he can't empirically justify. In the midst of

538
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,119
this methodology and he doesn't even know it. This is

539
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:23,079
utterly devastating to his worldview. And that's why he has

540
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,719
to cling to assumptions and dogmas that he can't prove,

541
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,880
because it would be completely devastating if he were to

542
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,039
admit them. It would destroy the entire materialistic assumption, right,

543
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,440
because from the very outset it is completely self contradictory

544
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,400
across the board. And that's not even all. We're not

545
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,840
even done, right. What else is assumed here? Well, it's

546
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,800
assumed that this scientist himself has a consciousness that is

547
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,679
in some way able to connect events from the past

548
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,440
that go into his present interpretation of the worms in

549
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,960
front of him. Doesn't it Well, of course it does,

550
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000
all right. He's probably spent twenty years studying earthworms, and

551
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,559
his collected wisdom of twenty years of studying earthworms, he thinks,

552
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,440
informs his present interpretation of the earthworms, And it does.

553
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,079
Of course it does. But it does so because the

554
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:18,840
world is not like he says it is. So let's

555
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,480
get this key point here, because this is what you're

556
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,519
going to see in every debate with an atheist or

557
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:31,159
a non believing zealot. We'll call them the non believing zealots.

558
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,599
They have a fundamental contradiction between ultimate irrationality and ultimate rationality.

559
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:42,559
This is crucial. Every debate will show this, every discussion,

560
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:47,199
every atheist will demonstrate this same tension within themselves because

561
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:51,119
on the one hand, they need order and meaning and

562
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:55,039
reason and rationality and logic and large scale meaning to

563
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,159
operate out there in the external world on a cosmic scale.

564
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,239
They need it. They act like it exists, but they

565
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,239
also have to turn around and deny it. That is

566
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:16,760
the fundamental contradictory, self destroying, presubsitional critique of all atheistic, materialistic,

567
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,920
unbelieving world views. They all have the same pattern problem obviously,

568
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,920
because there are a limited number of options for them

569
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,440
to take, and once they take one of the two roads. Right,

570
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,400
So if we start with talking about how do we

571
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,039
know about the world metaphysics, right, any of these categories

572
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:40,599
of philosophy, they're already boxing themselves in by assuming things

573
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,320
number one that are universal. Right, they'll assume universally that

574
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,199
matter is the only thing that exists. Okay, this is

575
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,960
a metaphysical assumption. They don't even know that, but they

576
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,039
assume it, right, And they'll say, well, yeah, there's how

577
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,079
else could they, Well, there's nothing else we know, what

578
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,119
else could we know? Where's this entity sitting here talking

579
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,320
to me as if he is a person being right,

580
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,719
that has rights and is extremely arrogant and prideful about

581
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,679
his life, and he thinks that, you know, if somebody

582
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,800
wrongs him, if somebody steals his hot pocket, you know,

583
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,480
he's furious and he's gonna, you know, attack them on

584
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,119
on their YouTube profile or whatever. So they act like

585
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,719
they're a being with dignity, a being with will, a

586
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,159
being with meaning, with existence, and yet at the same

587
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,639
time they have to confess according to their worldview, as

588
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:35,159
we saw an example of the atheist at the debate

589
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:36,760
earlier that I was telling the story from when I

590
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,840
was like twenty, everything's meaningless. Now. This came up to

591
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,599
Nili Grass Tyson, and I mentioned it in my Neili

592
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,440
Grass Tyson essay. If you haven't read that, go read that.

593
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,400
It's a great critique of scientism that Nilo Grass Tyson

594
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,280
knows this, and he's asked this all the time, well

595
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,480
not all the time, but he's been asked us many times,

596
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,639
and he says, ools what we don't believe philosophy doesn't

597
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,159
matter anymore. Who curs I philosophy doesn't matter anymore. Now,

598
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,920
wait a minute, Logic is in the domain of philosophy,

599
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,880
and everybody knows this. Okay, nobody denies this, and every atheist,

600
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:18,639
every material thinks that they are the masters of logic. Right,

601
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,599
logic and reason are on their side. They're the masters

602
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,639
of logic and reason. And yet Neil de Grasse Tyson

603
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,000
tells us that philosophy no longer matters, it's been discarded

604
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:36,599
due to the power and magic of the scientific method.

605
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:42,079
Now this is just foolishness. It's a completely absurd. And

606
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,320
by the way, I'm glad that everything has been coming

607
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,239
out the way it has with not just alternative media

608
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,280
or Russiagate or any of that stuff. But are you

609
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,599
starting to see the pattern here of everything from the

610
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:03,239
establishment is completely nonsensical? It is completely contradictory. I mean,

611
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,719
why is it, for example, that every establishment person, let's say,

612
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,679
take Neil Degrass Tyson, just as a perfect example, this

613
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,400
pop scientist and propagandist. Now, if he was really interested

614
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,840
in the scientific method, wouldn't there at least be one

615
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:24,360
area of you know, big hot button issues where maybe

616
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,119
he takes a divergent opinion. But he doesn't, does he.

617
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Whether it's vaccines, whether it's nine to eleven, whether it's anything.

618
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:43,039
He's completely establishment across the board. Now, what does that suggest?

619
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:47,440
That suggests that science and the realm of science does

620
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,800
not actually operate on neutrality like it claims. And if

621
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,639
we read Kune, we realize this. Now Kun is wrong

622
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,760
because in Structures of Scientific Revolution he realizes that science

623
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,039
does not have the neutrality that it thinks it does,

624
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,679
and he adequately proves that it does not. But then

625
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,639
he thinks, well, there's just no answer, right, because he

626
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,639
doesn't understand transcendental arguments. He doesn't realize the way to

627
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:18,719
solve this problem of paradigms is to compare paradigms for coherence. Now,

628
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,360
none of the atheists are prepared to do this. The

629
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
materials that because they don't know this stuff. They don't

630
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,400
study philosophy, they don't even take basic logic, and they

631
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
sure as heck don't take advanced logic or metallogic. Right,

632
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,199
They're completely lost. Right, That's why when I start asking

633
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,079
those questions, they have no idea what I'm talking about,

634
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,039
not because of big words, but because they've never thought

635
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,960
about it. They never thought about the question of, well,

636
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,480
how does a law of logic actually function? What is

637
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,199
a law of logic? What is the number seven? Where

638
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,519
is the number seven? How can the number seven be?

639
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,280
Now when we start to consider numbers. And this is

640
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,239
something that even these clowns, if they could read Plato,

641
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,880
they would get some insight here, because at least Plato

642
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800
realized this advocating Platonism. By the way, I'm just saying,

643
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,760
playtn't realize. Hey, wait a minute, the number seven is

644
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:12,719
not over there. The number seven is not in my mind. Now.

645
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,559
It could be in my mind in terms of like

646
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,039
I have a mental picture of it, or I think

647
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,760
about it. Right, But if I stop thinking about it,

648
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
or if I raise the number seven, all these clowns

649
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,800
they think that it literally isn't It's not there anymore.

650
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,039
But let's stop and think about this, because there are

651
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,719
all kinds of things that even if we get more

652
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,679
complex than the number seven, if we think about something

653
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,559
like pie, or if we think about something like a

654
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,760
mandolbrought fractal or a set, those things aren't in your mind.

655
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,599
Now you can have a loose idea of what a

656
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,559
Mandelbrot set is, but you cannot picture in your mind

657
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,280
a Mandol brought set because they're infinite and they keep

658
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,760
going on and or not. And so the reason I

659
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,920
always bring up Mannl Broth says, is an easy way

660
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,000
to show the stupid of these people who claim that

661
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,239
numbers are social constructs. There's no society that's socially constructed.

662
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,320
A Mandel brought set guphis by the way they're reflected

663
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,360
in nature. The Fibonacci sequence is not something that is

664
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:22,079
concocted in the human mind. Fractals in Mandel brought sets

665
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,280
are not concocted in the human mind because they can't

666
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,119
even be contained in the human mind. And this is

667
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,599
so stupid. This debate has already had centuries ago when

668
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,000
it was pointed out to empiricists who believe that man

669
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,480
is a tabula rossa. They said, wait a minute, Achillia gone.

670
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,280
You can't fit a chillia. You can't picture that in

671
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,199
your head. And if you can't picture it in your head,

672
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
then you can't believe that it exists. But it does.

673
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:50,039
It's a real geometric object. And this refuted the naive

674
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:54,119
empiricis a long time ago. Of course, it does there's

675
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,039
no answer to this. If you believe that man is

676
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:59,159
a blank slate. Tabula rossa in mathematics is a pure

677
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:03,880
social construct. This is retarded. A killing gone is a

678
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,119
thousand sided polygon. Can you image that in your head? No,

679
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:14,639
obviously you can't. So mathematical entities are not human constructs,

680
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:18,079
and they're not solely contained in chemical reactions in the head.

681
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:24,360
This is utterlyly stupid. And these things do relate to reality.

682
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,039
By the way, how do we know that, Well, the

683
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:32,039
easiest way to sow you can make this argument actually

684
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,920
about any number or number set, but the easiest way

685
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:41,320
to show it is that uh mandal brought fractals were

686
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,559
not discovered until there were computers strong enough to zoom

687
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,840
into them to you know, the thousandth power or whatever.

688
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,519
And they just keep repeating, and they just keep They're

689
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:59,239
like landscapes that you can surf and discover, bro and

690
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,639
they just keep going, and you zoom in forever never

691
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,760
and never and never, and it never ends and they

692
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:11,400
create new patterns and guess what, It's all based on

693
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,719
basic set theory. You can plot out this diagram here

694
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,960
and see this black sun. You can plot that out

695
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,840
on a basic x Y axis and that's what creates this.

696
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,639
And you can guess what zoom and zoom and zoom

697
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,920
and zoom and zoom, and it repeats, did you know this? Okay?

698
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,119
Now why do I sell this? Because this isn't created

699
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:37,840
by a social constructor in somebody's head, dummy. Obviously it's obvious,

700
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,880
and we could not see this until really advanced computers

701
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:50,519
were able to zoom into this power. So Amandol brought

702
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:55,000
set is just one example of a mathematical entity or

703
00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,760
object that is real, that is not a social construct.

704
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,639
It is reflected in nature. Just look up the talk.

705
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,880
There's countless talks on YouTube about people showing mandelbrought fractals

706
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:17,000
in nature. Mandelbrought himself noticed them in nature. By the way,

707
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,559
they show different levels of infinity, by the way, there

708
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,480
are different types of infinity. There are many infinities. There's

709
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:37,119
not just one infinity, as we know from mathematics. So

710
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:42,239
the point is that is that this is one bonafide, undeniable,

711
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:49,440
obvious example of a straight up, knock down, irrefutable proof

712
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,360
that mathematics and the principles behind mathematics and set theory

713
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,559
and varied advanced mathematics are not human social constructs. They're

714
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:04,159
discovered and social constructs aren't made up. Okay, when Mandelbrot

715
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,679
discovered this, it was a discovery. He did not make

716
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,559
this up. Okay, two different things. But the dumb dams

717
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:15,840
an atheists, they literally think that mankind made up numbers,

718
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,159
they just created them their social construct. That's how stupid

719
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,920
this view is. No, this is not a social construct, dummy.

720
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,159
Does this look like a social construct to you? Do

721
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,519
you think we all just got together and decided it

722
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,960
was just said social construct? Zeists from my brain because

723
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:38,880
my brain is good. It was social construct ziz Mendelbrot

724
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,840
set out of my head. No, anyone intellectually honest with

725
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,039
themselves can recognize that this is not a human social construct.

726
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,719
Mandelbrot did not make this up out of his head.

727
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:01,599
He discovered this. And, as Roger Penrose says, most mathematicians

728
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,960
who do hardcore, serious mathematic research, they all pretty much

729
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,920
seem to realize that they're not inventing things, they're discovering things. Yes,

730
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,719
Penroe says that in the Mind of God book by

731
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,760
Paul Davies, there's some really great quotes, by the way,

732
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,639
about Penrose in there, and if you look at Penrose

733
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,400
Tiling and some of the talks of Roger Penrose, he

734
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,639
makes these same points. He says, Look, anybody who knows

735
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:33,199
anything about numbers and set theory and Mandelbrot sets, they

736
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,360
know that we didn't make these up. Okay, they're not

737
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:45,239
social constructs. It's retarded. How could you think that's a

738
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,119
social construct. If it was a social construct, then other

739
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:56,119
societies who use basic mathematics would have different mathematics. Okay.

740
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,559
Now we're not talking about the abstract questions of like

741
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:03,960
different medical theories that sometimes you know are non euclidion

742
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,280
or what. That's a different question. We're talking about the

743
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,880
basic tetractus of you know, the ordinal numbers and how

744
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,719
they relate to the external world. Right. Everybody in every

745
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:21,800
action presupposes things like one, two, three, four or five. Right.

746
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,880
So primitive societies when they were trading, you know, rocks

747
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,519
for boobies. You know, they were trading five rocks for

748
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,119
one for two boobies on that slave girl. Right, so

749
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,320
they're utilizing basic numbers. That was not a social construct.

750
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,920
That changes from that society to our society. But what

751
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,199
did Infidel say he said, numbers are social constructs, And

752
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,400
yet Infidel was laughing at the social justice warriors a

753
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,400
few days earlier who think that logic is a social construct. No,

754
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,239
I'm sorry, Logic, basic logic, basic logical principles, and numbers

755
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,760
do not evolve and they do not evolve from their societies.

756
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:11,880
The ancient idols had two boobies, just like today's idols

757
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,239
have two boobies on them unless you're watching Total Recall

758
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:23,920
and it has three boobies. I'm just being silly, But yeah,

759
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,599
so or are we starting to see the point here?

760
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,840
So now, when we understand math from that vantage point, right,

761
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,400
speaking of basic math here, and then when we look

762
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,760
and we understand that mathematics doesn't just exist in the

763
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,920
human mind, there's some sense in which it also transcends

764
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,480
the human mind to apply to the external world. Now,

765
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,559
if that's not true, then the equations that we use

766
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:56,679
to build bridges and computers and rockets wouldn't work. But

767
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,519
they do, and they do work because they do translate

768
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,480
to applying to the external world. But now, if we

769
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:08,480
took the view of the atheists, then the numbers so

770
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,559
called that are just chemical reactions in our head, right,

771
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,440
not only are they not real, they're literally equated to

772
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,039
chemical reactions in the head. When I'm thinking of the

773
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,280
number seven, and when Infidel Fhiro is thinking of the

774
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,679
number seven, he's acting like we're actually tapping into some

775
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,760
abstract concept. But he then has to turn around and

776
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,559
deny it by saying there's no such thing as those

777
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,599
that exist outside the head. And because he's a materialist,

778
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:39,960
he literally has to say that numbers are absolutely equivalent

779
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,079
to the chemical reactions in our brains. That is so

780
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:49,840
stupid because his chemical reactions are not mine. But he's

781
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,920
assuming that we're talking about the same thing, the number seven,

782
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,639
But the reactions in his head are not mine, so

783
00:53:56,679 --> 00:54:00,639
they're not the same. This is how absurd a atheism is.

784
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,679
Why is it that absurd? Because it can't allow anything

785
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:11,000
to challenge its dogma of materialism. If it allows there

786
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:18,800
to be immaterial, invariant, abstract, non physical concepts or entities,

787
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440
it starts to have problems. It starts to break down,

788
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,360
because then it starts to lose its foundational dogma, which

789
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,480
it thinks undercuts everything. Right, that all there is is

790
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,719
the physical, All there is is matter, matter in motion, right,

791
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:37,599
evolution or whatever that's all there is. So are we

792
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,719
seeing the pattern here that consistently? It's there's an assumption

793
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,159
of all kinds of things. Now, if you read my

794
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,880
essay about knowledge presupposing, metaphysics and ethics, then you'll start

795
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,719
to see that, gus, what else is? Or if you

796
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,559
watch the debate with Vegan Gains and that goofs kid,

797
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,639
you'll start to realize that other things are assumed too,

798
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:00,519
aren't they. When the scientist is doing his earthworm experiment

799
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,960
and he's uh, oh, presupposing logic, Guess what else? He's

800
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,079
presupposing truth? Remember, because we're trying to approximate Even if

801
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,199
he doesn't believe in truth, he's at least trying. He's

802
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,840
acting like and trying to approximate truth in the scientific process.

803
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,519
Right now, what else is presupposed along with truth? Well,

804
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,079
the assumption that you should search for truth. Guess what

805
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:26,440
that's ethics, right? I mean, he's we're assuming we're supposed

806
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:32,079
to believe that in this process he is going to

807
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:35,360
look for what's true in the experiments and ferret out

808
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,440
the false, and that he should do that and we

809
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,639
should follow him, and that that should be done in

810
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,480
this scientific process. That's an ethic question. So there is

811
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,159
no divorcing of these worlds like the atheists and the

812
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:57,039
goofhuses want there to be. Why do they want that

813
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,199
because they need it to be that way to prop

814
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:08,639
up their goofy system. Now, if I should now now

815
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,360
what they'll actually introduce a little bit of sophister here

816
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,440
at this point because they'll say, well, okay, okay, but

817
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:19,360
but now we we ought to follow truth, but you

818
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,920
don't have to. They'll say something like that, like, like

819
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,079
the scientific method assumes truth and that you should follow

820
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:29,199
through to what's true and not accept the false. Right,

821
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,639
I mean, why why should I? Why should I accept

822
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:39,039
the the information that confirms the thesis right, that assumes

823
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,360
truth over falsehood, and that you should that it is

824
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,639
correct to do so, it is right to do. So

825
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,239
why should we follow logic? Well, because it assumes it's

826
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,199
assumed in the process that you should all debate all

827
00:56:54,239 --> 00:57:01,480
discourse assumes that you should and that you will. So

828
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:06,800
the point being is that not only has this atheist scientist,

829
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:13,119
in his earthworm obsession and lab assumed a whole bunch

830
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:18,880
of epistemic things and categories, qualities, everything that I've outlined

831
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,360
for the last hour. Uh oh, he's also assumed some

832
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,960
ethical things, and that was the whole point of that

833
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,960
goofy debate with that kid and began gains which they

834
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,880
did not want to admit, even though eventually the kids

835
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,239
said you should assume and I was like, a he

836
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:43,000
messed up, bro, gotcha? Because shoulds and aunts are questions

837
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:48,239
of ethics, right, So really you can't even construct a

838
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,199
purely abstract logic that you don't have to follow because

839
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:56,800
it's bound up with the idea of logic that you

840
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,559
are supposed to In other words, it assumes true. Right.

841
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,639
There's a presubsosition of truth with a capital T here.

842
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Whether the person believes in it or not. It doesn't

843
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,599
matter whether you believe it or not, or whether you

844
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,360
want it to be there or not. It still assumes it.

845
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:16,639
It necessarily entails it. Okay. So what we're starting to

846
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:20,920
see here is that a very fundamental philosophical analysis. And

847
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,679
this is, by the way, if you do philosophy of science,

848
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,840
these are the kinds of questions that you'll ask, right.

849
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,960
I took philosophy of science classes. It was great in

850
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:33,320
undergrad and grad. But the scientist doesn't ask these questions

851
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:35,719
he doesn't think he needs to. He doesn't think they matter,

852
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,920
he doesn't care, Okay, and that's fine to a certain degree.

853
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:44,760
Science is not concerned with philosophic questions. It's pragmatic. However,

854
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,519
these are all the same people who turn around and

855
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:51,719
try to dictate philosophy and dogma theology and use reason

856
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,840
and logic to the philosophers and the theists right like

857
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,239
they're in charge and they really know what's going on,

858
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,880
and they're arrogant. They are made foolish, as Paul says,

859
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:05,280
because they don't even know what they're talking about. So

860
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,000
they lack humility because of their prideful atheism. What does

861
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,119
the psalmists say, right, atheism is foolish? David says that

862
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,320
the person who says there's no God is a fool.

863
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,159
He's not just saying that to be mean. It's not

864
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,599
just rhetoric. He's actually saying that the belief system is foolish.

865
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:28,400
Now you say, where's that, well, go read Wisdom one

866
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,960
and two. In Wisdom one and two, due to a

867
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,639
canonical book which Paul references in Romans one, you have

868
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:41,760
a couple chapters basically outlining the unbelieving atheist worldview, and

869
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,559
Wisdom one and two says that it's nihilistic and it

870
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:49,440
ends in foolishness. It undercuts everything that it claims. Again

871
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:55,039
presubsisitional argument in Wisdom one and two. So what we've

872
00:59:55,079 --> 01:00:00,679
seen here is this guy has presupp a whole bunch

873
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,880
of stuff, not just metaphysically, not just epistemically, this test

874
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:13,679
case atheist scientist guy here, but also ethically. Now he's

875
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:16,360
in a bit of a quandary here, isn't he right?

876
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Because at every one of these points there's serious problems

877
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,920
that are not empirically verified. So if you recall, in

878
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,519
multiple debates and even in the debate with some of

879
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:31,280
these characters, I've made the point of the crackers and

880
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,559
the pantry fallacy. This is what Bonson called it, and

881
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:38,280
it's a great term because it's an error that is

882
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:44,360
usually had in the scientistic materialist atheist camp where they

883
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,960
start the debate from the outset assuming that they will

884
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:56,920
only accept empirical proof for anything that a theist claims,

885
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,840
because that's all there is or that's all we can know.

886
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:03,480
So they start with not eve empiricism right, and they say,

887
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:05,519
I'm not going to believe in anything like a number

888
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:09,360
or abstract concepts or qualities or logic or anything in

889
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,440
the way you're arguing it, or God without empirical proof. Now,

890
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,599
the problem with this is that it assumes from the

891
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:20,280
outset the very thing that the atheist thinks is true. Right,

892
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:23,360
He's doing the assuming just like the believer is just

893
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,400
like the theist is doing. Namely, he's assuming that the

894
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,239
only things that exist are physical. Right, So this is

895
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,960
an attempt to poison the well and basically limit move

896
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,000
the parameters of the debate from the outset to where

897
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,639
nothing can be accepted as evidence except physical proofs of things.

898
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,480
And that's what the debate is actually about. So basically,

899
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:47,960
he's saying, I'm not going to believe in God unless

900
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,840
God can be proven physically, and God is not physical,

901
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,199
therefore there's no God. This is what every atheist tries

902
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,159
to do. Now we come along and we said, now

903
01:01:56,199 --> 01:02:01,039
wait a minute. Even you atheists agree with us already

904
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:07,000
that not everything is proven in the same way. For example,

905
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:11,440
you don't believe that a complex math problem is proven

906
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,840
or solved in the exact same way as how we

907
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,840
know what temperature water bowls at, right, or how we

908
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,119
know a court case is solved, or how we know

909
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,519
something about history? Right, Different things are proven in different ways.

910
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:31,440
So you can't do this shady thing from the outset

911
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:36,400
by assuming that if God exists, he must be proven physically,

912
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:42,320
when we are saying that God is not physical. So

913
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,239
that's the very thing that's in question. And you can't

914
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,320
just set the debate from the outset by saying that

915
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,480
I'll only accept empirical physical evidence, and we can prove

916
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:53,000
that you don't actually believe that by pointing out that

917
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:54,559
you believe in a host of things that are not

918
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:58,599
empirically verified, namely all the stuff I just listed about

919
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:05,000
Infidel and the test case scientists in the lab. We

920
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,400
just went through an hour of things that he believes

921
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,639
in and assumes and acts as if they exist that

922
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:16,079
he has no empirical proof for. So even you atheists

923
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:21,079
don't actually believe that it's only rational to believe in

924
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,159
something physically empirically provable. You don't even believe that. You

925
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:26,679
don't operate that way. But you set up from the

926
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:31,119
outset a trick, right, a poisoning of the well to

927
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:35,360
where we can't introduce evidence or proofs for anything non physical.

928
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,400
But that's the very thing that's in debate. Are there

929
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,400
non physical things? That's the debate. So this is a trick.

930
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,400
You have to call it out, and that's why Bonson

931
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,320
called it the crackers and the pantry fallacy. It's not

932
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,320
an actual quote fallacy, but it is a flaw and

933
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,760
argumentation similar to poisoning the well. So you can't allow

934
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,920
the atheists to from the outset determine the parameters and

935
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,119
limits of the debate because it assumes the thing that's

936
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:10,960
in question, namely not eve empiricism and radical materialism. Now,

937
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,920
to expand on that, if we were to prove the

938
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,360
existence of non material things, doesn't it seem to follow

939
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,679
that non material things are going to be proven in

940
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:23,800
a different way than material things. Right, We're not going

941
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,119
to look under a stone to find pie. We're not

942
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,039
going to climb up a tree to see the law

943
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:33,480
of logic. We're not going to boil water to see

944
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:38,199
if in the midst of the bouncing molecules a mandol

945
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:43,000
brought set appears in our heads. Magically, no, different things

946
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:47,880
are proven in different ways, meaning we're not going to

947
01:04:51,480 --> 01:05:00,000
look in a microscope to find meaning. Obviously it's nonsense.

948
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:05,440
It's absurd. We're not going to take a measuring rod

949
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:12,480
to measure the number seven. It's retarded. But yet we

950
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:22,519
believe and we act as if numbers, concepts, non empirical truths, right,

951
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:25,440
all of these things the self. We act as if

952
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,360
they're real. Now, how would we go about proving something

953
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:35,039
or demonstrating the existence of something like that that is

954
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:38,400
non physical, if in fact it does exist, if in

955
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,360
fact they are true, Well, obviously they're not. They're not

956
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,039
under microscopes. So now some people didn't would go that

957
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,880
would lead them to conclude they don't exist. We just

958
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,440
can't know. We just can't wait a minute. A similar

959
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,559
debate just like this occurred in the history philosophy. This

960
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,639
is why I always reference it because it's a great

961
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:07,239
illustration of this. And when I make this argument, I'm

962
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,480
not saying it's true because Aristotle said it. I'm saying

963
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,159
that it's true because the argument proves it. And Aristotle

964
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:14,880
was the first to make this argument against the sofas. Right,

965
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,239
So you're dealing with somebody who's a Sophist and they

966
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:21,760
say the law of non contradiction, All right, all your

967
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,880
logic is fine, Aristotle, you want to make your little

968
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,840
logical arguments. But what do you do when somebody comes

969
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,440
along with a very subtle, sophistical argument that how do

970
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,159
we even know the laws of logic are true? Maybe

971
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:40,320
the law of non contradiction doesn't exist, And Aerosol says, ah, okay, right,

972
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,719
you want to try to get me to empirically prove

973
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,880
the law of non contradiction. He says, I can't. And

974
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,960
then the sofas says, haha, we finally got you, or

975
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,079
so I we tripped you up because you can't empirically

976
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:57,239
prove to us that there's these immaterial, magical, flying spaghetti

977
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,199
monster laws of logic around us, and Aerosol says, I

978
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:03,119
can prove it to you. And it's called a reductio argument.

979
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:06,079
It's called an argument from the possibility of the contrary,

980
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:09,280
And not only is that stronger than an empirical argument,

981
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,440
it's one of the strongest possible arguments. So, for example,

982
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:18,400
to deny the law of non contradiction assumes the law

983
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,480
of non contradiction because it assumes the very thing that

984
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,880
it's seeking to deny. It is using logic, It is

985
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:30,039
using statements about what can and cannot exist, what does

986
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,280
and does not exist, i e. Law of identity, law

987
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:38,280
of non contradiction, using logic to deny a fundamental of logic.

988
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:49,480
This is a transcendental argument. It's simple. Do you see

989
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:53,719
the argument. If I'm a sophist and I am going

990
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,760
about trying to prove that logic does not exist, I

991
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:04,000
am logically arguing, trying to use meaningful discourse premise to

992
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,440
conclusion that logic does not exist. There are no laws

993
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,239
of logic. It is illogical to believe in laws of logic.

994
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,639
That is a contradiction at such a fundamental level that

995
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,359
everything I'm saying collapses into absurdity. It is devastating. It

996
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:25,319
is destructive to the possibility of knowledge at all. If

997
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,640
the sofist is correct, knowledge is not even possible because

998
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,560
anything you say is nonsense and incoherent because the law

999
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,399
of non contradiction doesn't even hold. And that's so fundamental

1000
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,039
for any kind of predication that you can't talk You

1001
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:46,039
can't talk about the world because any kind of language, linguistics,

1002
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,279
predication meaning it assumes kind of basic things like that, right,

1003
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,239
the ability to distinguish one thing from another. You couldn't

1004
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,640
distinguish one thing from another if there were no laws

1005
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,640
of language in logic. So this is so devastating, so

1006
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,880
stupid that it is at a nuclear level self refuting.

1007
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,680
So not only is that an argument, it is one

1008
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,800
of the strongest arguments when you understand that point. And

1009
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,159
Aristotl forcefully made that point against the sophists, and every

1010
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,000
atheistic materialist ends up being a Sophist and they end

1011
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:22,159
up getting refuted in exactly the same way. That doesn't

1012
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:24,960
mean the rest of Aerosol's theology was correct either, by

1013
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,920
the way. It just means that on that point he

1014
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:33,079
was absolutely correct. Now, that is one example of a

1015
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:37,880
basic transcendental argument that is utterly devastating to anybody who

1016
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,880
tries to argue the stupid kinds of things that they argue.

1017
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Y'll use another example, though, which often comes up that

1018
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,359
most of you will encounter outside the realm of academia,

1019
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:56,239
and let's use the basic knowledge claim about certainty. Most

1020
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:01,119
people have been indoctrinated into the garbage cult of relativism.

1021
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,960
Relativism says that there's nothing that's true. Ultimately, we can't

1022
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:11,239
really know anything true for certain All knowledge is relative, right,

1023
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:13,800
because all human experience is relative, right, So who can

1024
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,840
say who can say what's true? Who knows? How can

1025
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,840
anybody say? I mean, what's true for you? It's true

1026
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,920
for you? Bro, what's true for me? It's true for me,

1027
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,199
different strokes, different folks. You've heard the same idea a

1028
01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:29,840
million times over in a million different instantiations. Now, if

1029
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,359
we are trained in basic presubsitional thought and critique, this

1030
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,119
is a no brainer. It is so fundamentally stupid that

1031
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:47,359
it almost functions like the mark of every It's almost

1032
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,800
like everybody who believes this is an NPC. I mean

1033
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,439
you can almost put it that way, like I mean,

1034
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,239
quite literally, like this is the mark of an NPC.

1035
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:05,039
Because really, as I've argued many times over, exiting the matrix,

1036
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,399
if we want to use these you know, goofy pop

1037
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:16,760
culture analogies, it's really a question of at least beginning

1038
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,600
to consider the possibility of there being truth and the

1039
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:29,319
possibility of truth. Admitting that it means that we are accountable.

1040
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,159
We aren't the masters of our own destiny in a

1041
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:36,760
in an atheistic god sense, right, Like I'm not the

1042
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,920
God of my own mind like I thought I was.

1043
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:51,000
And it means a reorienting, reorienting of our thought process

1044
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,359
in our life. If we come to the point where

1045
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:55,439
we can admit that there's such a thing as truth

1046
01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:00,359
with the capital T, objective truth that exists and that

1047
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,520
is real and that you can't lie about. So let's

1048
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,479
go back to this, to the norm the normy NPC

1049
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,680
guy who says all truth is relative. Now, all you

1050
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,680
guys know this. It's an easy one. It's a no brainer.

1051
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,720
Now wait a minute. On the one hand, you're saying

1052
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,840
that we can't know anything for certain, nothing's true, but

1053
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,479
you're saying it's absolutely true, and you're dogmatic, and they're

1054
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,760
all dogmatic. They're committed to it. This is the root

1055
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,439
of their unbelief. This is the root of their rebellion.

1056
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,079
They have to believe, they need it to be true,

1057
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,039
that nothing is true. But now, wait a minute. That's

1058
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:46,359
a contradiction at a basic, fundamental logical level. The belief,

1059
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,960
the idea that nothing is true must also be true

1060
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:59,359
and is therefore self contradictory. This is a fundamental, basic contradiction.

1061
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:05,319
And ninety nine percent of the atheist, unbelieving, relativist type

1062
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:08,840
of persons that you say that to, how will they respond,

1063
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:13,000
I'll tell you how. They say, you're playing word games. No, no,

1064
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,600
I am playing serious games. This is real, This is

1065
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,800
the meaning of life, This is eternity. This is not

1066
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,239
a word game. This is a serious thing. You can

1067
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:27,159
play this game throughout your life and pretend that nothing

1068
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,760
is true. But you, deep down, and that's what Paul

1069
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,479
says in Rome's One. You deep down know that that's

1070
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,920
not true. Every person knows that that's not true, no

1071
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,239
matter what comes out of their mouth. They know that

1072
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:46,560
relativism is not true because nobody lives like a relativist.

1073
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Truly speaking, every nihilistic relativist goes to funerals. They all

1074
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,479
get mad when people steal from them. They get mad

1075
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,640
when their pride is slighted, they get mad when they're insulted.

1076
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,880
Why is any of that? Why would you be that

1077
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:12,720
way unless you were a person with dignity. But you

1078
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,960
don't have dignity in your worldview, but in your mind

1079
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,239
you want there to be dignity for humans, well mainly

1080
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:21,239
for you. Right, it's not wrong to steal. So what

1081
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:25,159
if somebody steals from you? I mean, nothing inherently wrong

1082
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,680
with that. Right, You're probably gonna go to your mom's

1083
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,720
funeral though, right, Why it's an irrational action? Why would

1084
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,159
you go to a funeral. Life is meaningless. Funerals are

1085
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:40,000
just as meaningless. But we see then that none of

1086
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,720
these people actually live these world views. But of course

1087
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:49,760
they're more than happy to tell you about theists being hypocrites. Now,

1088
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,520
if atheism is true, what's wrong with being a hypocrite.

1089
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,520
That's what point I always make, Like they're always talking

1090
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,760
about theists, Christians or hypocrites. Okay, I have many many

1091
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,399
theists and Christians are hypocrites, But it's only wrong to

1092
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:07,880
be a hypocrite in a Christian worldview. If atheism is true,

1093
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,319
there's nothing wrong with being a hypocrite. So you can't

1094
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:17,359
critique these systems when you don't accept those systems. In

1095
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,039
order to critique those systems, you're assuming those systems are true.

1096
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:28,319
And that's the that is true for every atheist. Now,

1097
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:33,439
if atheists were consistent, nothing would matter and nothing would

1098
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,760
be no action. I think there's a statement even in

1099
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,199
Crowley where he's pretty consistent or trying to be consistent

1100
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:43,039
with us, where he says something like, well, I've come

1101
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:47,760
to the point where, ultimately, in my worldview, no actions

1102
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,840
are better or worse than any other actions. They're just actions.

1103
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,479
And if atheistic materialism are true, and you know, the

1104
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,359
universe is basically just random chaos. It's all just events.

1105
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,560
Events are just events, They're just happenings. Things are just happening.

1106
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,399
One event is not better than one event. It's just

1107
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:11,000
the atoms and the molecules over here are doing one

1108
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,199
thing and the atoms and molecules over there are doing

1109
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:19,000
another thing. There's no better there, better or worse, good, bad.

1110
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:21,560
Those are value judgments. Those are in the domain of ethics.

1111
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:25,800
And when you just have matter in motion, there's absolutely

1112
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,840
nothing about that that tells you or gives you any

1113
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:32,720
indication of one collection of atoms being better or worse

1114
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,479
than another collection of atoms smashing into one another. Right,

1115
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,159
so one collection of atoms smashing into one another and

1116
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:43,399
creating a human life is no better or worse than

1117
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,079
another series of atoms smashing into one another. And you know,

1118
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:52,000
serial killer eating dead bodies like, there's no difference, just

1119
01:16:52,039 --> 01:17:02,399
atoms smashing. So point being this again brings us back

1120
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:07,239
to this question of transcendental categories, things that are not

1121
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,920
immediately under the purview of empirical proof, but are assumed

1122
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,520
in the process of everyday living as soon in the

1123
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,199
process of scientific discourse, assumed in the process of mathematics,

1124
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:21,359
assumed in the process of engineering, assumed in the process

1125
01:17:21,399 --> 01:17:25,239
of art and aesthetics, assumed in any kind of human process,

1126
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:31,359
social organization, society. Right, it all utilizes a whole host

1127
01:17:31,399 --> 01:17:35,960
of things that are not empirically verifiable, but are absolutely

1128
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:43,720
necessary for the possibility of those systems working and cohering. Now,

1129
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,359
when we consider all of those different kinds of things,

1130
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,560
those categories, right, these transcendental categories that are not empirically

1131
01:17:53,680 --> 01:18:00,319
verified but yet assumed for any cognition whatsoever. To have

1132
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:02,680
knowledge at all, in order to have any cognition at all,

1133
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,279
in order to have meaning at all, in order to

1134
01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:06,720
speak about things at all, we have all these things

1135
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:12,119
that I've been talking about assumed. Now, when we consider

1136
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:14,720
this is key. Listen to this. When we consider the

1137
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:20,000
fact that none of those things operates on their own, well,

1138
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,840
guess what, They all kind of connect to one another,

1139
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,960
don't they. Of course they do. Is because, as I

1140
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,279
pointed out, you can't have propositions and you can't have

1141
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:36,399
a view of epistemology that ignores ethics. So, in other words,

1142
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,399
every one of these transcendental categories and truths that we've

1143
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:44,800
been talking about. They entail one another. There's no abstract

1144
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,600
realm of truths that we can reasonably speak about and

1145
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,880
know about that don't involve humans, right, because humans are

1146
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,199
the focal point between you know, the ideal realm, of

1147
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:04,520
spiritual realm, whatever, between God and this world, the human mind,

1148
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,159
human psyche. Right, So it would be pointless, in other words,

1149
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,239
to talk about numbers as if humans never existed. That's

1150
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,760
a pointless question because that's not how the world is constructed.

1151
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,119
If God had set it up that way, we don't

1152
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:21,319
know likely, it's not even it's not even a meaningful

1153
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:24,079
question because that's not the world in which we inhabit.

1154
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,560
So if we're gonna speak meaningly, meaningfully about this world,

1155
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:32,000
then all these things that we've been talking about, the self, identity,

1156
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:38,279
over time, abstract concepts, logic, logical laws, they apply and

1157
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:42,439
they relate to the world that we inhabit, this world

1158
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,640
here and now, this life, Okay, not an imaginal world,

1159
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,600
not some planet where JF is talking about making supercomputers.

1160
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,560
That's we're talking about this world. And all these categories

1161
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,199
that I just listed, they relate to this world. The

1162
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,039
scientific method, it relates to this world. It doesn't relate

1163
01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:08,199
to hypothetical worlds on planet Pluton. With what a Alex

1164
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:11,760
Jones always you say, the Keebler elves, the Keebler elves

1165
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,880
on Zeta reticuli. That doesn't have anything to do with

1166
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:23,720
what we're talking about. The self, identity over time, logical laws,

1167
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:32,800
mathematical principles, abstract concepts meaning all of those things scientific

1168
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:39,119
method relates to this world, and our understanding of those

1169
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:43,720
things cannot be divorced from our own lives in this world.

1170
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:48,399
And so, in fact, there is an interesting additional argument

1171
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,760
to be made here that philosophers like Heidegger have kind

1172
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,319
of touched on, Leibniz has kind of touched on, which

1173
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:02,279
is that in a way, any of these subjects that

1174
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:05,800
we're speaking of, they don't just stand alone. It's not

1175
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,359
like the transcendental argument. It's just this abstract argument that

1176
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:12,199
stands alone. No, no, no, It absolutely relates to this world,

1177
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:15,199
time and space, and it actually presupposes the rest of

1178
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:19,439
this world. Does that make sense. It's a little out there,

1179
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,720
it's a little obscure, but I think it's actually true.

1180
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,279
Now if that is the case, and I think that

1181
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:27,840
it is and we're getting a little kind of out

1182
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:35,039
there deep here. But all relations in this world, in

1183
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:38,960
other words, assume these same categories that we've been talking about,

1184
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:41,159
and they all kind of stand or fall together, and

1185
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:42,520
in o there was it wouldn't make any sense to

1186
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,960
talk about a self, right, or the presubposition, or the

1187
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,279
transcendental category of the cell, or the transcendental unity of

1188
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:52,119
apperception as called. It wouldn't even make sense to talk

1189
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:56,800
about that if we didn't inhabit this world of time

1190
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,960
and space where things move from right, past to present

1191
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:02,720
to future. Right, there's a beginning, middle, and end to

1192
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:06,159
human experience that's presupposed in all human experience. It's another

1193
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:10,520
transcenal category. Now again, when we think about how all

1194
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,720
of these relate, how they all cohere and they presuppose

1195
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,039
one another, guess what, we start to realize we're actually

1196
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:24,359
talking about an entire worldview here, and they, they, and

1197
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,079
all of these transcendentals entail one another. Right. Again, it

1198
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,119
makes no sense to talk about laws of logic if

1199
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:34,079
we're not also talking about human consciousness of them. It

1200
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:37,399
makes no sense to talk about beginning of middle and

1201
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,840
end or human perception if we're not talking about perception

1202
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:44,439
within this world and the assumption of the self. The

1203
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,640
assumption of the self assumes history. It assumes you come

1204
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,199
from some people group. Right, You're not an abstract self

1205
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:52,920
that just sort of appeared out of nowhere in the

1206
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,520
time and space. No, you come from a people group,

1207
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,840
you have a history, you have a lineage. So in

1208
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:02,439
other words, actually the whole world is presupposed as it

1209
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:07,840
is in presubsitionalism. Nobody else will talk about that. By

1210
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,039
the way, although Hus although Heideger did kind of almost

1211
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:14,159
come close to this, and maybe a little bit of

1212
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,359
Hegel comes close to this, but Hegel is so infected

1213
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:22,159
with processed philosophy that you know, some of this would

1214
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:27,960
be almost too confused and garbled to even gather out

1215
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,760
of Hegel. So now that we've considered that, we think,

1216
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:39,039
what kind of God would we believe in or need

1217
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,199
in this belief system or worldview that could actually hold

1218
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:48,479
all of these things together. Well, we need one that's omniscient.

1219
01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:53,600
We need one that has an omniscient divine mind that

1220
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,800
although the mind of God is beyond us, in some way,

1221
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,960
it's kind of like our mind because we're made in

1222
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,840
the image of God. Many of the church fathers, the

1223
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,319
great thinkers of our church have talked about the mind

1224
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:09,880
of God like Saint Maximus Confessor and Ambiguo seven speaks

1225
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:16,840
about the logo and the mind of God. And if

1226
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,159
we read if you read my Numbers Prove God essay,

1227
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:29,039
you'll see that I cite Stephen Clark's paper on Saint Maximus,

1228
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:37,079
and in that paper he talks about the mind of

1229
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:41,359
God and the incarnation, some really really great stuff in

1230
01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:53,359
this in this paper, and I think it's still still

1231
01:24:53,560 --> 01:25:00,840
free to read publicly. In other words, only the mind

1232
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:06,960
of God can link together coherently in a golden chain

1233
01:25:07,359 --> 01:25:11,960
in a meaningful way. All of these transcendental categories that

1234
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,960
we've listed that are all presupposed in any human action

1235
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:22,000
and intercourse and discourse in a meaningful way. And guess what,

1236
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,800
that's what we say about God. So here we are

1237
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,119
right back at Saint Maximus Confessor and the worldview that

1238
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:39,520
we believe. Numbers, geometry, concepts, meaning all of these things

1239
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,760
directly come from a kind of world wherein we have

1240
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,560
the kind of God we confess. In other words, it's coherent.

1241
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,319
That doesn't mean that I have an empirical verification for

1242
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:55,760
every one of these transcendental claims, because they're not empirical,

1243
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,119
how are they proven. They're proven by the impossibility of

1244
01:25:59,119 --> 01:26:01,840
the country. If I deny any of these, like the

1245
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,840
existence of the self, then all knowledge becomes impossible. When

1246
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,600
I consider all these different transcenital categories, and I consider

1247
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:17,359
how they beautifully symphonize and cohere to make the world meaningful,

1248
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:20,600
in man's experience in the world meaningful, and to give

1249
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,079
man the possibility of knowledge and cognition, then I start

1250
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:27,239
to see how it is all a fabric that only

1251
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,680
makes sense if it can all be held together in

1252
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,479
a single divine mind. Now, a divine mind is not impersonal.

1253
01:26:35,159 --> 01:26:37,079
If I were to say that, I would be back

1254
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:42,079
at the Far Eastern or the Greek impersonalism conceptions, right

1255
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:46,000
of impersonal forces just sort of smushing everything together. And

1256
01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:50,479
guess what, Every one of those goes back to absolute

1257
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:56,560
divine simplicity. Right, They're all just manifestations of the One,

1258
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:14,439
everything smushed together into one. And we're back to this now.

1259
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,359
Our God is also not just one. He's not just

1260
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,760
a divine mind out there. He's the personal God who

1261
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:26,600
became incarnate. That's what Maximus the Confessor in the Stephen

1262
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,159
Clark paper will make clear the incarnation is a big

1263
01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,960
part of this. Right. It's not a God who is

1264
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:38,520
far off, it's not a divine mind that's out there

1265
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,560
in the ether. It is a divine mind who became incarnate.

1266
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:46,920
And thus all the logo being gathered up and encapsulated

1267
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,239
into the one logos, namely the incarnate son of God,

1268
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,359
gives us the ability to make sense of the created

1269
01:27:54,479 --> 01:28:00,840
order because our God is personal and not impersonal, and

1270
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:05,000
he's not just one, he's also many. So the one

1271
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,960
in the many problem, which is another transcendental issue that

1272
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,840
we didn't really go into, but basically for Eastern religions

1273
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,520
again fall into that idea of smushing everything into one.

1274
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,199
We did talk about the one of the many earlier,

1275
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,840
the one in the many problem, as Father stan Eloy

1276
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:25,279
and Losky in dogmatic theology and even Saint Maximus. The

1277
01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:27,560
one in the many problem is solved by the trying God.

1278
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,279
God is both one and many, so we have equal

1279
01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:33,960
ultimacy between the one and the many in God, and

1280
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:36,640
only our view holds that all the other world religions

1281
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,840
do not believe that they believe in absolute do on simplicity,

1282
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:47,279
or they believe in polytheism and absolute multiplicity. Only ours

1283
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:55,439
believes this. Thus, we can make sense of numbers because

1284
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,720
numbers are a reflection of the mind of God. As

1285
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,720
Ecclesiasticus says, the Bible says that God formed everything according

1286
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:07,680
to weight, number, and measure. That means numbers and the

1287
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:13,439
created order can reflect their true meanings in the mind

1288
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:20,199
of God, the logoi, the archetypal principles, patterns and meanings

1289
01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:29,039
of things. Therefore, transcendental argumentation does not just assume the

1290
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:35,119
mind of God. It assumes an omniscient mind of God, transcendent,

1291
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:38,159
transcendent over time and space, but also within time and space.

1292
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,079
It assumes a personal deity, and not just an impersonal deity.

1293
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:48,880
It assumes namely the deity revealed in our scriptures. All

1294
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:53,680
of those attributes make sense of this, right, because once

1295
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,199
we've gotten to this point, if you follow me in

1296
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:01,239
this through this reasoning, then you would be at Christian theism.

1297
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:03,159
At that point we would say, all right, as a

1298
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:06,319
Christian theist, what's the true theology. That's where we're going

1299
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:08,640
to get into orthodoxy. Right, But already all of this

1300
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,600
is pointing us directly to Orthodoxy, because only Orthodoxy has

1301
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,239
the essy synergy distinction right which we pointed out here,

1302
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:26,600
and the other world religions do not. Same points earlier

1303
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:32,199
about creation. If we accept, if we accept the idea

1304
01:30:32,319 --> 01:30:36,960
of emanationism, or that matter and reality are eternal, those

1305
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,239
are self refuting ideas. If the world is eternal, then,

1306
01:30:41,359 --> 01:30:45,239
as many of the philosophers argued, change is illusory, you're

1307
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,399
not really changing. And if change is ay, then your

1308
01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:50,359
experience is a losery. If your experience is allusory, then

1309
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,640
everything that you believe is self refuting and incoherent nonsense.

1310
01:30:57,199 --> 01:31:04,960
So when we hopefully understand that that's where the argument leads.

1311
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:08,119
When we point out all these different transcendental categories, when

1312
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:11,239
we point out how it's not just a question of

1313
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:13,399
like the law of logic or something, it's a whole

1314
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,359
bunch of things that in fact, the entire world is

1315
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:22,880
presupposed in any single transcendental category, then we start to

1316
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,399
understand how all encompassing this is, and how it takes

1317
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:30,079
us back to the starting point of the one being

1318
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:33,720
personal not impersonal, that leading us down a certain track

1319
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,439
of well, okay, maybe then some other monotheism will know

1320
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,680
because the other monotheisms also teach absolute divine simplicity. They

1321
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,720
don't TEACHCS and SS inergystinction. The essence inergy distinction is

1322
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,319
what also gives us an insight into proper anthropology, because

1323
01:31:48,359 --> 01:31:52,880
we have an revealed anthropology and not a philosophically devised,

1324
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,279
scientifically devised anthropology in orthodoxy. Go listen to my talks

1325
01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:03,039
on that we have a unique position here right in.

1326
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:05,720
This position did not come to us through human speculation.

1327
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,560
It came to us through revelation. That's what's key here,

1328
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:15,000
what Basil's talking about here. This is revelation. This is Moses, okay,

1329
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,359
and not only is it superior to philosophy, it is

1330
01:32:20,399 --> 01:32:27,640
the true philosophy. Now, I know this is this has

1331
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,439
gotten a little abtuse, but I'm having, you know, trying

1332
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:37,399
to lead people slowly as we get this right. So

1333
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,439
hopefully we have made some good points here and you

1334
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:46,600
start to see how the doctrine of God is the

1335
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:53,359
solution to all of these dialectical problems in Man's philosophy,

1336
01:32:54,239 --> 01:33:01,840
Man's failed worldly philosophy. We see that nature is a

1337
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:06,520
reflection of the divine mind. As many church fathers said,

1338
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,479
the order harmony symphony of nature, the one in the

1339
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,960
many problem of the history of Western philosophy and dialectics

1340
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,479
has solved. In the Orthodox conception of the triad. We

1341
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,880
see that the unbeliever's worldview is at once ultimately rational

1342
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,119
and irrational. At the same time. There is an unresolvable

1343
01:33:23,159 --> 01:33:26,880
conflict in this worldview which requires them to let go

1344
01:33:27,399 --> 01:33:34,439
of their dogmas. And except that they are in rebellion.

1345
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,199
We've seen all the transcendental categories, as well as the numbers,

1346
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,800
point to something that holds all of them together. If

1347
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,640
we didn't believe that the transcendental categories all held together,

1348
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,079
or that numbers and so for all of these things

1349
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,000
had some relation to one another, then again the whole

1350
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:55,720
system would be back in Greek impersonalism and paganism. It

1351
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,399
would all fall apart. So we need a higher level abstraction,

1352
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:04,319
above the level one abstraction, you could say, of transcendent categories. Right,

1353
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:07,520
So we've got all these categories that are abstract. We

1354
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,920
all presuppose them, We live like they're true, they're real.

1355
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,239
That's the strongest proof for them is that the denial

1356
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:16,279
of them leads to absurdity. And then we say, how

1357
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:18,119
do all these make sense. How do we make sense

1358
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:21,319
of all those things? Well, we have a higher level

1359
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:24,560
abstraction of the God who makes sense of all those things,

1360
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:28,880
the God who is meaning. He is the meaning of meaning.

1361
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:33,399
He is the logos. He's the logos that holds all

1362
01:34:33,399 --> 01:34:40,359
those meanings together. It's precisely because He created man in

1363
01:34:40,359 --> 01:34:42,039
his image that man can learn about the world. That

1364
01:34:42,079 --> 01:34:44,199
the world is external to man. The world is not

1365
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:47,720
a phantasm. It's not a projection out of man's mind.

1366
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:52,239
It's not a dream state. It's not an incoherent series

1367
01:34:52,279 --> 01:34:56,720
of meaningless nihilistic chemical reactions. The world is coherent. It

1368
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,960
has the beginning, middle, and an end, has meaning. There

1369
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:09,800
are right and wrong. We got this from Revelation. Revelation

1370
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:16,159
explains the world. Man's autonomous attempt that's explaining the world

1371
01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:23,079
leads to nonsense and self contradiction. So we've gone for

1372
01:35:23,159 --> 01:35:27,880
almost four hours. So I hope that was helpful. I

1373
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,039
may have to call it a day for now. I'm

1374
01:35:30,039 --> 01:35:33,479
starting to lose my voice, but it's good. Racket five

1375
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,680
dollars a great stream any videos refuting her meticism. Also

1376
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:40,520
off topic, do you believe in magistraal privilege? Do you

1377
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,000
mean in terms of divine right of kings. I think

1378
01:35:44,039 --> 01:35:49,479
that the church has the ultimate authority to coordinate a ruler.

1379
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,159
So in that sense the right is divine, but it

1380
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:58,640
is not absolute in the sense that he can't tell

1381
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,560
the church what to do. Right. There's fears of authorities.

1382
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:04,039
You know, the king can't just start killing people in

1383
01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:06,720
the church, and many kings and impress have tried that

1384
01:36:07,119 --> 01:36:11,399
and they fail. We live in that time now where

1385
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:15,680
the American government is attempting to control the churches. As

1386
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:20,720
for hermeticism, again, these systems are all going to have

1387
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:27,000
the same options as starting points. Who's that bouncer who's

1388
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like an atheist or not atheist, the platonist bouncer who's

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really smart that everybody says like he's got the highest IQ.

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He actually makes some of the some similar points. I

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don't think he gets he doesn't have the theology correct

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to make the orthodox interpretation of these things. One of

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you guys will know him. What's his name, Chris Langen, Yeah,

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01:36:52,119 --> 01:36:55,079
Chris Langen actually has some interesting insights on some of

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01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:59,560
these points, where he says, you're only like if you

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01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,199
start out with a view, and everybody starts out with

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some view, you're only you only have certain options, like

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you either have to go one way or the other right,

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Like so if you started with the belief in the

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number one or something like that, like you only have

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01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:18,039
certain ways to go with that, And all worldviews, all

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01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:27,199
systems are limited in their options. So for example, hermeticism,

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01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,760
it doesn't give you any other new options to start

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01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:36,039
with or to take your system. So basically all of

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01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:40,439
the religions or the religious systems you could you could

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01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,760
look at them like look at them like mathematical systems

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01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:50,520
like Platonism or ancient Egyptian philosophy. It's basically the same

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01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:55,199
as Platonism. The gods just represent primal forces, principles or

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01:37:55,279 --> 01:38:00,479
numbers or categories of being right like mayo is you know,

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01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,520
time and space or whatever. They just represent that kind

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01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:11,479
of stuff extension and time and space, blah blah blah.

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And if you go back to looking at the starting points,

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if you believe in the one, you either have to

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01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:23,199
start your principle by saying there's one or many, or

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there's a harmony between the two. Okay, if you start

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01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,840
with the one, then you basically have all the same

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01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:32,680
platonic systems and you have essentially branches off of that

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01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,800
in directions you could go you can say, oh, the

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one is impersonal or the one is personal, Okay, there's

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01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,439
no other ways to go, like that's the only options.

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Or you could say something stupid like well there's nothing,

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and ultimately, you know, the Far Eastern systems will take

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you that route. They'll say the one isn't even a thing,

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01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,039
it's no thing. Ultimately everything is nothing. You need to

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01:38:54,039 --> 01:38:59,399
get back to nothing, And all her meticism is derivative

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01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,000
of this exact same structure. That's what I'm trying to say.

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It doesn't matter what system you pick you're gonna have,

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01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,560
you're gonna be limited by the number of options by

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01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:15,479
which you can take your reasoning process throughout these systems.

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So all the Far Eastern systems are essentially going to

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01:39:20,079 --> 01:39:23,119
have the exact same problem as her meticism. All her

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01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:28,439
meticism is just basically rehashed platonism. Kabbala is rehashed platonism.

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01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,560
Gnocissism is rehashed platonism. Platonism is rehashed ancient Egyptian thought.

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So that's it. Ancient Egyptian thought may or may not

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be ancient Indo Aryan thought. Whatever, it's all You're only

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01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,399
going to have a certain number of options to go.

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01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:54,359
That's it all right, so but good question. So in

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01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:57,039
other words, this refutes her meticism because it's all the same.

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Good job, Jay never realized how absurd atheism is. Thank you,

1440
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,920
Daniel SOULEA. Yeah, once you start really sort of fleshing

1441
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,840
it out, it really is absurd. Princess Horsefeathers, thank you

1442
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,439
ten dollars. Thank you for your work, thank you for

1443
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:17,880
your support, love your super chats, love your encouraging words.

1444
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:23,399
Very thankful for that, and thank you for sharing links

1445
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,239
to the shows and the book on Twitter. Appreciate that.

1446
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,439
Tanner Terry five dollars. I think your argument is great.

1447
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,920
I'm curious how would you respond to a parody argument

1448
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,560
of your own personal tag? I'm not sure what you

1449
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,680
mean by a parody argument. There are people who make

1450
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,640
a transcendental argument for the non existence of God. This

1451
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,600
is actually pretty comical. They actually really believe that this

1452
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,279
is like a knockdown proof, And it was just some

1453
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,359
atheists trying to be clever who came up with this.

1454
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:54,439
It wasn't Michael Schrmer, maybe Schneider, but there was a

1455
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:58,079
guy like thirty years ago, who was supposed to debate Monson,

1456
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:02,239
and he's the guy who made up the transcedal argument

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01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:04,560
for the non existence of God, and the day of

1458
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,159
the debate, he just chickened out and left. He didn't

1459
01:41:08,199 --> 01:41:11,840
he didn't show up. There are a few atheists on YouTube,

1460
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,439
I think, who will try to resurrect the transcendent argument

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01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,880
for the non existence of God. But it's so absurd

1462
01:41:18,279 --> 01:41:21,640
and it so misunderstands the actual argument that I've been presenting,

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01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,239
that we've been talking about, that it's almost not really

1464
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:27,079
worth covering. But if you want to look up Wikipedia,

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01:41:27,159 --> 01:41:29,479
you can find, you know, the transcendental argument for the

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01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,159
non existence of God. It's pretty basic, bitch and laughable though.

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But if you mean me make up a parody, or

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01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,159
you may make up a parody, go for it sounds

1469
01:41:40,199 --> 01:41:48,520
pretty funny. Or do you mean somebody already made a

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01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,720
video parody of the transceonal argument. I guarantee you they're

1471
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,560
not going to understand everything that I've laid out here.

1472
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,680
What they're going to say is the parody is always logic.

1473
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,960
They're for God, dude, Like you say logic and then

1474
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,039
you say that like God exists, like how do you

1475
01:42:04,039 --> 01:42:06,159
get from logic to God? Dude? Like, just because I

1476
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:11,279
assume logic, like therefore God, that's a fallacy. Of course

1477
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:13,199
that's not the argument though, Like you just heard me

1478
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:16,680
give the argument for the last two hours where we

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01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:22,840
specifically dealt with tag but Aristo zenas ten bucks. Thank

1480
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,199
you for doing this, Shay. I listen to this stream

1481
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:27,680
several times. Yeah, thank you. I hope that it may

1482
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,840
take a few listens. I think if you check out

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01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,239
the books also. Yeah, by the way, there's a I

1484
01:42:33,319 --> 01:42:35,000
meant to there's a couple other books I meant to

1485
01:42:35,039 --> 01:42:37,720
recommend to you, guys, me really pull that up before

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01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:43,399
I forget about it. Now, this book's goofy. I don't

1487
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:49,279
recommend this whole book. Uh, but there's one essay in

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01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:54,880
this book that makes the book worth it. May pull

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01:42:54,920 --> 01:43:03,399
it up. One of the best critiques. Whoa one used

1490
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:05,680
for four thousand dollars. No, I don't think we want that.

1491
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:13,319
Let's not do that. I got this for like fifty cents.

1492
01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:16,960
That can't be worth that much. Let's see fifty here

1493
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,199
we go fifteen dollars. That makes a little more sense.

1494
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,600
Could you imagine that one guy sells this copy for

1495
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:31,720
four thousand dollars. What a what a dupe, what a racket.

1496
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:35,840
I might just start putting some of these books up

1497
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:39,439
for sale for on a thousand. I'm joking, but if

1498
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,800
somebody got four thousand dollars for this paperback, that would

1499
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:48,039
be crazy. Uh So anyway, sort of metaphysics, cosmology, tradition, symbolism.

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Now this is from the perennialist. This is from the traditionalists.

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01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:53,880
We're not here to defend all the perennialists. The reason

1502
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,399
I'm telling you this book is good is because, just

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01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:01,560
for the essay by Titus Bruckhart on evil, one of

1504
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:04,319
the best critiques of evolution I've ever read as a

1505
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:09,119
philosophy is the chapter in Jacob Needelman's sort of nosis book.

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01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:14,640
So I am not advocating the other Sufi essays or

1507
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:19,119
any of that stuff. I'm only recommending the sort of

1508
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:26,239
critique of evolution by Titus Bruckheart essay. Okay, everybody's clear

1509
01:44:26,279 --> 01:44:33,800
on that that is definitely worth reading. He makes Darwinism

1510
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:40,239
look completely absurd in about fifty pages. And of course

1511
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:43,960
the other classic is Wolfgang Smith's Cosmos and Transcendence break

1512
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,920
Through the Barrier of Scientific Belief These are two very

1513
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:58,720
well written, well thought out philosophical critiques from metaphysical perspectives,

1514
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,720
which is not you you don't get like you don't

1515
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:04,760
get this stuff. You know, in normative academia, ever, you'll

1516
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,800
never get this stuff. But these two critiques, man, they're

1517
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,840
they're pretty pretty devastating. And I would almost say that

1518
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:18,000
the Bruckheart essay in sort of nosis, like that's almost

1519
01:45:18,119 --> 01:45:23,960
enough to just completely annihilate Darwinism, Like it's that good

1520
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,640
because because Darwinism is not a purely scientific theory, it's

1521
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:32,039
a it's a it's a system, it's a grand narrative,

1522
01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:40,039
it's a philosophy. So those are good too. So you

1523
01:45:40,039 --> 01:45:43,920
can read those, Uh, they'll help you get a sense

1524
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:52,600
of some of the stuff I've talked about. Let's see

1525
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,000
skid racket five dollars. Can we trust the Bible has

1526
01:45:55,039 --> 01:45:58,039
not been manipulated after all these years, like how it

1527
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:04,000
mentions Enich but doesn't include it. Sure if you I

1528
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:08,039
did an introductory lecture on this about a year ago,

1529
01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:11,079
two years ago, let me pull that up for you.

1530
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:16,720
And I know that this is a you know, kind

1531
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:26,960
of it's kind of a what's the word, I'm looking

1532
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,960
this is not an easy point, like, this is not

1533
01:46:29,039 --> 01:46:33,000
an easy, you know, like catchphrase type thing where like

1534
01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:35,640
you can just solve this question because you're asking a

1535
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,399
very difficult question about manuscripts, thousands of manuscripts over a

1536
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:43,199
period of thousands of years. Okay, So I wish that

1537
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,279
I could give you an easy answer, but I can't,

1538
01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:51,079
And my answer is going to be yes, you can

1539
01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:55,439
reliably reliably believe in those things. But I'm going to

1540
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,039
tell you that you're going to have to watch my

1541
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:04,840
lengthy talk on the New Testament. So because I was

1542
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,800
getting so many questions like that, that's why I did

1543
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,720
this talk which I'm trying to pull up where I

1544
01:47:11,079 --> 01:47:14,239
look pretty ridiculous here, look like a boomer dad in this.

1545
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:21,359
So don't pay attention to my face where I look

1546
01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:23,920
like a boom er dad, but do listen to the

1547
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:29,960
information in the talk here, So if you go watch

1548
01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:36,159
the talk, is the New Testament reliable? God's just be proven.

1549
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,600
I spend the first hour and a half talking about

1550
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,159
the reliability of the New Testament documents, the history of

1551
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:47,079
the different textual traditions, kind of a basic refutation of

1552
01:47:47,319 --> 01:47:52,840
higher criticism, one reason that we can trust in the Bible.

1553
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:57,520
Is that the Bible is actually the most faithfully attested

1554
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,720
ancient document in the world. Now nobody people don't talk

1555
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,920
about this because they don't know it, and the atheist

1556
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,039
will never talk about this. But the oldest documents of

1557
01:48:06,079 --> 01:48:08,960
Plato are from the Middle Ages right Oxford Manuscript B.

1558
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,279
The oldest documents of the New Testament are five thousand

1559
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:17,840
plus manuscripts in the first few centuries. So there is

1560
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:24,960
a tremendous like magnitudes attestation to the New Testament compared

1561
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:31,000
to Plato. It's not even in the same ballpark. And

1562
01:48:31,039 --> 01:48:35,239
there is a tremendous amount of consistency amongst the different

1563
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,039
manuscripts of the New Testament that we have. So again

1564
01:48:38,079 --> 01:48:40,800
there's over five thousand, many of them are from the

1565
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,640
first and second centuries. There's a tremendous amount of harmony.

1566
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,119
There are what's called scribal errors. However, scribal errors are

1567
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:52,279
different from the question of doctrinal or theological errors. Now

1568
01:48:52,319 --> 01:48:54,560
this is a little bit more abtuse, but you go

1569
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,720
listen to my talk where I cover that. So I

1570
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,079
can't cover all that right here, but this is the

1571
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,199
talk that you want to work watch, and you'll probably

1572
01:49:01,239 --> 01:49:02,720
want to take notes on and you probably want to

1573
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:05,279
look up these things because I go into a lot

1574
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:07,439
of detail of this. I also talk about a lot

1575
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:09,399
of the early liturgies. So in other words, we don't

1576
01:49:09,399 --> 01:49:13,840
just vindicate the New Testament documents by these different gospels

1577
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,840
that are out there, or the lexigraphs or the different

1578
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:22,640
traditions in the church. There are also daily readings and

1579
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:26,880
liturgical documents, and basically the liturgy is another big way

1580
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,239
that we back this up. So there's all these liturgical

1581
01:49:29,279 --> 01:49:32,760
documents that have linked these citations of the gospels, which

1582
01:49:33,359 --> 01:49:35,239
if you're in the Orthodox Church, you'll be familiar with

1583
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:40,720
all the different liturgical readings for every day, right. So

1584
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,760
we also have the aside from the Gospels, we also

1585
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,279
have the writings of the Church Fathers because they're so

1586
01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:49,640
voluminous and because we have so many of them from

1587
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,600
the first several centuries. We have a tremendous amount of

1588
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:00,000
New Testament citations and Old Testament citations and sebtuagent citations

1589
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:03,800
reproduced in the Church Fathers. You see. So when you

1590
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,039
start to understand all this, you start to see that

1591
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:10,039
there there's a lot of different capacities and there's a

1592
01:50:10,079 --> 01:50:15,079
lot of different angles to how we can have at

1593
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,720
how the New Testament documents can be shown to have

1594
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,199
a high degree of attestation and veracity. That's what I'm

1595
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:27,680
trying to say. So, in other words, one way that

1596
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:31,159
we can know the Bible hasn't been manipulated is by

1597
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:36,279
the fact that we have access to documents and writings

1598
01:50:36,319 --> 01:50:41,800
from all of those centuries, and no, they're not manipulated, right, Like,

1599
01:50:42,319 --> 01:50:44,880
you can go read Justin Martyr's writings from this from

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01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:50,760
one point fifty and they're justin Martyr's writing. Now, unless

1601
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,399
you invent like a giant conspiracy about like the whole

1602
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:58,760
of history being made up or something which is you know,

1603
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:04,840
kind of absurd and really implausible. You can read Ignacious,

1604
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,359
you can read Jerome, you can read Ambrose, you can

1605
01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:12,119
read Tertullian, you can read Irenaeus, you can read Justin Martyr.

1606
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:17,520
You can read all of these people within the first

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01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:21,640
several centuries. Then you can go read the liturgies from

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01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:26,840
churches throughout the Roman Empire, and you'll start to see

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01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,720
that they are all consistent. They teach the same things, well,

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01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,760
they teach the same things on the fundamentals. In other words,

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01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,000
I mean some church fathers differ on different things, right,

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01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,439
they might have a different opinion on this verse and

1613
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:42,000
revelation or that verse there or whatever, but on the

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01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,800
the reason for the creed was that these are the

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01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:49,239
fundamentals that we don't disagree on. Now, the question of

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Enoch is interesting, and this is a little bit more.

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This is a bit of a deeper question because Enoch

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doesn't really have anything to do with whether the New

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Testament is viable or not, because the in many places

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cites tradition, it cites extra canonical books. And that's because

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we don't believe in soul scripture or the Protestants believe

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that the Bible alone is the authority. So specifically on

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that question, I'm going to tell you to read my

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essay that I wrote. I'll put it up as well here.

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I think I titled it. What did I title it? Defense?

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I think it? Oh, I think I titled it Biblical

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defensive tradition. Let me see if that's it, biblical nature

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of sacred tradition. That's it. So this is the essay

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that you will want to read on that which I

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guess I need to fix because it's still the images

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are broken, but the information is there, so let's see

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biblical nature of sacred tradition is the essay that you

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want to read for that, and that'll give you an

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introduction into not just the the New Testament stuff that

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I was talking about in the video, but also the

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conception of oral tradition and how you know, we don't

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just believe in sol scriptura like Protestants, because it's important

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to understand those things before you try to understand the

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role of the text and the Bible in the Church. Now,

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the Bible has a pre eminent position because the canon

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is closed, and it is of course the pre eminent revelation, right,

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I mean, it is the word of God. But it's

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not the only sense in which the Word of God

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comes to us in the Church. It also comes to

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us through the liturgy, through the tradition, through the saints,

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through the lived experience of the Church and the saints.

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All of these means are essentially incarnations. You could say

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of the Word. That does not mean by the way

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that we have new revelations. No, no, no, the canon is closed.

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We are not charismatics. The fact that is the Father

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ser from Rose refuting all the charismatics. There are no

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new public revelations period. That's different from saints having clairvoyance

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or spiritual gifts, which we do believe. So that is

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what you want to look at to help answer the

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question of Enoch. But by the way, just because something

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is cited as a genuine tradition doesn't mean that it's false. Right.

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So again, Enuch being cited or not wouldn't have anything

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to do with the scriptures being manipulated, because there are

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true traditions that are not contained solely in the written texts.

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And yes, I would say that the citation of Jude

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of Enoch suggests absolutely that Enoch contains true tradition. However,

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it doesn't necessarily follow that Enoch should be included as

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canonical to the same degree that all the other text

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or canal. This is another important point too that is

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01:55:43,239 --> 01:55:46,159
a little difficult for Protestants to understand, which is the

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idea of degrees I guess you could say of importance. So,

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for example, in the liturgy, the Gospels have a pre

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eminent place, right the Gospels are paraded around in the procession.

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The epistles of Paul are not. The Dudoo canon is not.

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Does that mean that the duo canon it doesn't matter no, right,

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because we don't think in either or categories. Even in

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Paul's epistles, right, we would say Paul is inspired. But

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even in certain places in the epistles he says, here

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I give my opinion and not of the Lord. So

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even in Paul's epistles, he can make a distinction between

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something that's merely his opinion and not a command of

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the Lord. So in the same way, the Church historically

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has always given pre eminent place to the Gospels. The

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canon itself, outside of the Gospels, for a long time

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was debated, and even some of the Gospels were debated, right,

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And it was over many centuries that the canon came together.

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And yet the Church preceded and compiled the canon. And no,

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it wasn't Constantine making that decision. And I seel like

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Baptists in Sevenday evidence, I think the canon was a

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centuries long process. You had different canons, different debates, and

1686
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yet the church existed because they weren't Protestants. But in

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the same way, we also don't take this sort of

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01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:11,760
fundamentalist naive view like Protestants do that inspiration equals Kjav

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sixteen eleven. That's the every dot word of God and

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everything outside that is the word of man. No, we

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believe in sacred oral tradition. We believe in That's why

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Paul says in Second Thessalonians, keep the traditions that I

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delivered to you, whether oral or written. Keep the traditions

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01:57:34,079 --> 01:57:38,800
I delivered to you, whether oral or written. But I

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cover that in the essay. But at the same time, right,

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we don't get like, the Gospels obviously have a higher

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place in honor than the Dudero canon. Right, But we

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wouldn't say, oh, forget the dual canon doesn't matter because

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we give the Gospels a higher place of honor. No,

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I mean that's like either or Protestant thinking. We don't

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view it that way. So you can, on the one

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say the cannon is closed. There's a special place for revelation,

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and even within the canon and revelation, you can have

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a higher place for the Gospels. And that does not

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necessarily exclude their being revealed truth in the Book of Enoch.

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Obviously there was. So in other words, there is a

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defined canon. It is the word of God. But we

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don't have the hard and fast view of the sixteen

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eleven KGV. Goofball Protestants. So anyway, I hope that answers

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the question. All right, we come up on four hours.

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Great talk. Thank you guys very much. Hopefully people can

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derive some benefit from this. It wasn't intended to be

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over everybody's head. It was just intended to specifically answer

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questions that people have been raising. So God bless you guys.

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