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Speaker 8: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. I got a
Speaker 8: bunch of us with us tonight talking about mercury symbolism.
Speaker 8: I got myself, obviously the nick from the Occult Rejects.
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Speaker 8: And tonight we got again as usual, we got the
Speaker 8: Tarot Man himself and somebody I just love learning with
Speaker 8: or learning from, somebody I will definitely have to say
Speaker 8: has probably impacted my magical journey in some way, believe
Speaker 8: it or not. So I appreciate it, Mario, and I
Speaker 8: appreciate you constantly coming back and working with us. Please
Speaker 8: let everybody know, in case there's new listeners, what the
Speaker 8: deal is with you and what's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, what's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 9: No, thanks for the invite, And I really appreciate the
Speaker 9: crew you've put together here. I really do get a
Speaker 9: lot out of everyone's insights and stuff. And you know,
Speaker 9: even when I'm not on the show, I listen and
Speaker 9: check out what's going on and stuff like that. But
Speaker 9: Symbolic Studies is my project. Symbolic Studies dot com. People
Speaker 9: can find all of my offerings there. I'm on YouTube
Speaker 9: and Patreon and Instagram and things like that, so I
Speaker 9: do offer terrat readings and other services too, But my
Speaker 9: foundation is.
Speaker 3: Really the tarot.
Speaker 9: And from there, you know, I got really into astrology
Speaker 9: and just uncovering the symbolic nature of every sign. So
Speaker 9: I put out content based on the signs during each
Speaker 9: sign itself, following the Tropical you know, the Tropical calendar basically,
Speaker 9: So yeah, that's my deal. And Mercury, man, it is
Speaker 9: really a heavy hitter with the planets, you know, A
Speaker 9: favorite character for sure, right, I mean, it's one of
Speaker 9: these things actually where if there's like a planet that's
Speaker 9: worthy of many multiple episodes, it would be Mercury. And
Speaker 9: to be mercurial is to change, right, change and changing often,
Speaker 9: And so when I first got into mercurial symbolism, it
Speaker 9: was hard for me to actually kind of like figure
Speaker 9: out sort of the nature of Mercury in a way
Speaker 9: because it was associated with so many different things. And
Speaker 9: even when I go through the astrological year, and I'm
Speaker 9: putting out content on each sign. I'm always like, man,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of mercurial symbolism with Aris. Yeah, there's
Speaker 9: a lot of mercurial symbolism with Taurus and Gemini, and
Speaker 9: it just goes on and on and on and on
Speaker 9: and including the cards that correspond with the signs and
Speaker 9: stuff like that. And so you know, just to kind
Speaker 9: of get into it with mercury, I think that a
Speaker 9: lot of cultures and a lot of systems, it's not
Speaker 9: uncommon to have like a catch all phrase or a
Speaker 9: catch all term that kind of encompasses maybe like spirit
Speaker 9: or ether, like in totality, right. I know, there's even
Speaker 9: people who kind of use like Satan as an example
Speaker 9: as like that kind of catch all sort of thing.
Speaker 9: Voodoo can kind of be that. The force you know
Speaker 9: in Star Wars is almost kind of similar to this.
Speaker 9: Mercury has also been this too, right. Mercury is almost
Speaker 9: kind of like has been used as like a other
Speaker 9: term for like ether and spirit and mercy as a traveler, right, So,
Speaker 9: like a lot of the mercurial figures are messengers or travelers,
Speaker 9: and so they're always going to and fro they're always,
Speaker 9: you know, delivering these messages and whatever. So you know, Mercury, Hermes, Thoth.
Speaker 9: I'll be probably using these interchangeably synonymously basically, but Hermes
Speaker 9: Mercury is known for being like a psychopomp. So he
Speaker 9: goes between realms, and I have a very sort of
Speaker 9: like specific way in which I sort of imagine how
Speaker 9: he goes between realms, which will unpack at a certain point.
Speaker 9: And so he oftentimes is carrying like a bag or
Speaker 9: a satchel delivering these messages, right, being the messenger of
Speaker 9: the gods. And when you look at statues and artwork
Speaker 9: with Mercury or Hermes, he has like winged you know,
Speaker 9: a winged cap. He has like wings on his sandals
Speaker 9: or his feet, and he's always too. One of the
Speaker 9: things that I find really interesting, he's always on one foot.
Speaker 9: That's like a classic sort of thing with Mercury Hermes, Right,
Speaker 9: so it's like he's about to go or he just
Speaker 9: kind of landed or something along these lines. He associates
Speaker 9: with the Magician card. You know, Mercury corresponds with the
Speaker 9: Magician card. So there's a lot to unpack just with
Speaker 9: the Magician card and how it relates to mercury, you know.
Speaker 9: But I think one of the things actually right, just
Speaker 9: to kind of get into that, is the Magician card
Speaker 9: is the first card of the major arcana. There's the Fool,
Speaker 9: which I think has a lot of mercurial symbolism too,
Speaker 9: because the Fool is the only card traditionally that is
Speaker 9: shown actually traveling.
Speaker 3: Even the Chariot card.
Speaker 9: Traditionally the Cherriot is actually stationary and all of the
Speaker 9: other figures are either standing or they're throned or something
Speaker 9: along these lines. But the Fool is actually walking, right,
Speaker 9: And the Fool has a poll with him, and the
Speaker 9: first two cards in the major arcana pull wand symbolism
Speaker 9: is really like on display for sure. And so the
Speaker 9: Magician is holding that wand he's holding it up to
Speaker 9: the heavens right. To me, this is really interesting because
Speaker 9: he's holding it up and then he has one hand
Speaker 9: pointed to the ground. So this is the classic as
Speaker 9: above so below axiom right, And I think what he's
Speaker 9: basically saying is I connect heaven and earth, you know,
Speaker 9: I connect heaven and earth. And I think in some
Speaker 9: ways he's saying, I am the central pillar in the
Speaker 9: House of God, because that card corresponds with Beth, which
Speaker 9: means house, but you know, on a sort of like
Speaker 9: grander scale, it's the house.
Speaker 3: Of God basically.
Speaker 9: And so this would be the world axis in my opinion, right,
Speaker 9: sort of the central pole that symbolically separates heaven and Earth,
Speaker 9: but then also binds heaven and Earth as well. This
Speaker 9: relationship has been referred to as the Great Triad, that
Speaker 9: there's a triune relationship between Heaven, Earth, and man. And
Speaker 9: so he is acting as that sort of central pillar
Speaker 9: or that symbolic bridge between the above and the This
Speaker 9: is actually how I think he gets between realms is
Speaker 9: through the world axis basically, right, the axis Mondy, and
Speaker 9: so the axis Moundy. You know, there's so many symbols
Speaker 9: that relate to it, but the world tree or the
Speaker 9: tree is one classic axis Mondy world axis symbol. And
Speaker 9: so when you see a serpent going up a tree
Speaker 9: like in the Garden of Eden, that's very very mercurial
Speaker 9: and it's not unlike the dollar sign in my opinion, right,
Speaker 9: kind of like the s with the vertical line, right,
Speaker 9: and so to me, that is almost basically mercury ascending
Speaker 9: to other realms, right, going to other planes of existence.
Speaker 9: And so that's also mirrored in one of the symbols
Speaker 9: that closely relates to mercury Hermes, which is the cadusius. Right,
Speaker 9: So you have the twin serpents going up that wand
Speaker 9: basically that's not unlike the Kundalini serpents going up your spine. Right,
Speaker 9: it's the same symbolism pretty much. And so even the
Speaker 9: number thirty three has been tied to mercury too, amongst
Speaker 9: other you know, sort of deities and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But we have thirty three vertebrae in our.
Speaker 9: Spines, so to me, ascension symbolism and sort of something
Speaker 9: going upward, whether it's like a serpent or what have you.
Speaker 9: To me, that's like incredibly mercurial because he goes to
Speaker 9: these other planes, right, So he takes people.
Speaker 3: He's the guide of souls.
Speaker 9: And so I think a lot of figures actually start
Speaker 9: off or a lot of like solar deities, when you
Speaker 9: look into their origin story, it's heavily mercurial.
Speaker 3: I think Christ is a good example of this.
Speaker 9: I think Christ, you know, when he has like a
Speaker 9: wand and he's doing magical things or whatever, he's basically
Speaker 9: mercury pretty much I think what's kind of happened with
Speaker 9: Christ is that he started off as being more mercurial,
Speaker 9: and then he actually became solarized over time, so he
Speaker 9: became more closely tied to the Sun. But I think
Speaker 9: you can make the case that actually mercury was like
Speaker 9: his original sort of like influencer planet or something along
Speaker 9: these lines. Kind of relate to that, go ahead.
Speaker 1: The first depictions of Jesus was with him holding a wand.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 8: Exactly yeah, he did have a wand there's old depictions
Speaker 8: of him touching whoever he brought back with a wand
Speaker 8: when he turns water wine they show I've seen depictions
Speaker 8: of him having a wand in his hand when he's
Speaker 8: touching that and making a change, exactly right.
Speaker 10: The Bible of course refers to Jesus as the Shepherd
Speaker 10: of men, right, and but before that Poimandra is Pomander.
Speaker 6: From the.
Speaker 10: Thank You he is described as the shepherd another another
Speaker 10: biblical kind of descendant.
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, no, exactly right. And so the wand in
Speaker 9: and of itself is another world access symbol. In my opinion,
Speaker 9: the want symbolically represents energy being sent forth, not unlike
Speaker 9: the phallus and mercury has been heavily tied to phallic symbolism,
Speaker 9: So anything sort of phallic, I think the wand the
Speaker 9: tree definitely, what was I just gonna say? Or like
Speaker 9: the pillar as well. Uh, there are some classic illustrations
Speaker 9: of Hermi's mercury, like in between pillars. In many ways
Speaker 9: he kind of represents the central pillar. He represents the
Speaker 9: middle pillar, the middle path.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 8: So even questioned like the hermit with the staff too,
Speaker 8: I mean the same thing.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, the hermit card is rolled by Virgo, which
Speaker 9: is rolled by mercury. And actually what hermit means is
Speaker 9: means little Hermes, right.
Speaker 11: I was gonna say that when you're getting into the
Speaker 11: staff with the two serpents, it's more a method of exchange.
Speaker 11: It also relates to barter and trade, whereas the staff
Speaker 11: of the Sclapius is more along the lines of healing.
Speaker 11: So with mercury, you specifically have in the Roman period
Speaker 11: the murkers that would actually pile up goods at crossroads,
Speaker 11: and they were worshiping mercury because he was the god
Speaker 11: of mercantilism as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Even the flow of currency is so mercurial, right,
Speaker 9: you know, and you look at how we print our
Speaker 9: cash here, right, Just that green, green is the color
Speaker 9: of mercury in so many ways. There's a lot of
Speaker 9: symbolism actually with the green man or the wild man
Speaker 9: that completely corresponds with mercury in my opinion too, And
Speaker 9: like there's a lot of like symbolism that overlaps there.
Speaker 9: And so actually, I just pulled from my altar. I
Speaker 9: have some mercury right here. It's you know, it's just
Speaker 9: a little vial of mercury or whatever. But the element
Speaker 9: of mercury is a liquid and a metal, right, and
Speaker 9: so it's it's both, and so mercury is very androgynous, right,
Speaker 9: and so that plays a huge, huge part in just
Speaker 9: the symbolism of mercury being you know, basically knowing your
Speaker 9: own light and your own dark. You're feminine, you're masculine,
Speaker 9: things like that. This is why I think one of
Speaker 9: the main reasons why I think magicians and mystics and
Speaker 9: things like that have a reverence for mercury. To me,
Speaker 9: it reminds me of magnetism having the positive and the
Speaker 9: negative end of the poll or something along these lines.
Speaker 9: And then even magnetism m ag magician, right, Magi right,
Speaker 9: there's all these things kind of related to that, and
Speaker 9: I think kind of the magician in a way almost
Speaker 9: they learn how to sort of attract, you know, and repel. Right,
Speaker 9: It's like what they sort of want in their life
Speaker 9: or what they're trying to accomplish or whatever. So the
Speaker 9: magnetic sort of thing is definitely like part of mercurial
Speaker 9: symbolism for sure.
Speaker 8: I definitely sort of like duality thing. Go ahead, I
Speaker 8: definitely think you like, I'm glad you brought up the
Speaker 8: magnetic thing. Even with that, you have even mentioned, you know,
Speaker 8: when you get into the pollstar in Polarity, the old
Speaker 8: magnetic too, you know, you can change that with magnets.
Speaker 8: I've even now, I know I've brought up to you
Speaker 8: and I've mentioned it on the show. But even like
Speaker 8: the whole situation when I'm wucking with my pineal gland,
Speaker 8: there's something that happens where for me, pushing all of
Speaker 8: a sudden equals a slap in the face and I
Speaker 8: don't understand.
Speaker 3: That, you know, no, yeah, you've explained that to me before.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And you know what I ended up coming
Speaker 8: across a picture of David Bowie acting like the Archer
Speaker 8: shooting himself in the head, So I'm not the only
Speaker 8: one who obviously thought of that.
Speaker 5: The things I wanted to point out, Mario, is that
Speaker 5: you're talking about this duality. Isn't mercury often found with cinebar,
Speaker 5: and so you have mercury as this manly, warlike type
Speaker 5: and then cinnabar is a red vermillion type color, which
Speaker 5: I guess the scarlet scarlet woman or anything like that.
Speaker 5: So it almost reminds me of that that duality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that that's awesome. What has been said?
Speaker 9: You know, in today's world, a lot of people say
Speaker 9: men are from Mars, women are from Venus. My understanding
Speaker 9: is that that actually like that became more popular in
Speaker 9: like the sixties or seventies. There's a specific author that
Speaker 9: kind of popularized that that phrase. And esterically, what I've
Speaker 9: heard is that men are from Mercury, women are from Venus.
Speaker 9: And it's interesting when you look at the glyph of
Speaker 9: Venus and the glyph of Mercury, the only difference is horns,
Speaker 9: which kind of is sort of there's a phallic connotation
Speaker 9: with horns. There's a feminine aspect to horn symbolism too,
Speaker 9: for sure, because it's like a chalice or a cop
Speaker 9: or something. But when you look at Venus and Mercury,
Speaker 9: just the glyphs side by side, I think that that
Speaker 9: makes a lot of sense, like in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's also an ancient aspect to it too, because the
Speaker 1: cinnabar was something that the Etruscans would cover themselves with,
Speaker 1: and they think that Hermes was one of these borrowed
Speaker 1: gods from the Etruscans because you know, they had this
Speaker 1: relationship with the Greeks where they did share a lot
Speaker 1: of these these deities, and you can see a lot
Speaker 1: of these Hermes influences in the Etruscans.
Speaker 3: Right, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I think the other thing too with this
Speaker 9: like duality sort of thing with with Hermes, Mercury is
Speaker 9: really seen in his rulership of Gemini, right, and the
Speaker 9: Gemini Twins. So Mercury being the planet that rules Gemini.
Speaker 9: And then with the Gemini twins, you have the Light
Speaker 9: and the dark twin. Right, the dark twin always kills
Speaker 9: the good twin, not always, but occasionally he kills the
Speaker 9: good twin, and then they have this sort of thing
Speaker 9: going on. So the fact that Mercury rules Gemini, I
Speaker 9: think is really interesting there when you're looking at the
Speaker 9: traditional planets, there's two planets that rule two different signs.
Speaker 9: Mercury is one. It rules Gemini and it rules Virgo.
Speaker 9: So there's an airy aspect to Mercury communication and this
Speaker 9: traveling and the winged cap and everything else. And then
Speaker 9: it rules Virgo, so that would be its earthy aspect, right,
Speaker 9: It's more feminine sort of aspect, which, funny enough. The
Speaker 9: other planet that basically does double duty like this is Venus.
Speaker 9: So Venus rules Taurus, has that earthy aspect, but then
Speaker 9: it also rules Libra, which would be its airy aspect.
Speaker 9: So isn't that interesting this pair Mercury, Venus, they both
Speaker 9: do sort of the same thing to different signs, right,
Speaker 9: So I think that that's pretty fascinating too.
Speaker 8: I do want to add just real quick, because you know,
Speaker 8: you mentioned you know, Mercury and Venus. You know, for me,
Speaker 8: just the way I look at the tree and I
Speaker 8: look like you, I guess the way I end up saying,
Speaker 8: you know, Cabala, you know, just whatever. From my studying,
Speaker 8: I do feel like that Toth is like the beginning
Speaker 8: of the of the hero's journey, you know. My opinion
Speaker 8: I do think like his arc goes up the tree,
Speaker 8: and even like I think when I mentioned the hermit card,
Speaker 8: I think the hermit car would actually be possibly in
Speaker 8: the path of going from from Mercury to Venus across
Speaker 8: the tree. And I do think, like this is just
Speaker 8: my opinion, I do think that when when that happens,
Speaker 8: they both have to work together, I think to in
Speaker 8: order to go up the tree. I think it's almost
Speaker 8: like they're doing an untangling of themselves. And I do
Speaker 8: think you need the male and the female to work together.
Speaker 8: I even think when it comes down to if physiology
Speaker 8: is really involved in this stuff, like I think it is,
Speaker 8: I think one is the energy and the other one
Speaker 8: is the form that it has to manipulate to go
Speaker 8: the other way instead of what it used to do,
Speaker 8: you know. So I even I do think it's very important,
Speaker 8: even the feminine aspect, that it has to work with,
Speaker 8: you know, to make things happen. And again, I know
Speaker 8: it just probably an unpopular idea, but I do think
Speaker 8: a lot of times, like again when I say the
Speaker 8: hero's journey, it is again why I'm even like I'm
Speaker 8: so happy we're covering this because I do think Mercury
Speaker 8: again starts off the story. I think a lot of
Speaker 8: other gods, like Horace, I would say it was probably
Speaker 8: Tod but it just at a different time in his story,
Speaker 8: you know. So I do think of like a lot
Speaker 8: of the male gods were all still Toad, but just
Speaker 8: at a different time in their in their story.
Speaker 12: The same thing with Venus. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 11: Gonna say, when you go back and you look at
Speaker 11: the Egyptian stuff LinkedIn with the Persian stuff, there's a
Speaker 11: lot of I mean with uh, with Thought, Hermes Mercury
Speaker 11: being sort of a trickster god. He takes on the
Speaker 11: same characteristics as Osiris, the same characteristics as Nimrod, Like
Speaker 11: you see as far as establishing writing, you know, the
Speaker 11: weights and measures, the geometry, the building of things, And
Speaker 11: you almost have to think that maybe Thought wrote himself
Speaker 11: into these different roles. I mean, you know, being there.
Speaker 10: Before the beginning.
Speaker 11: There's in the Virgin of the World, there's talk of
Speaker 11: Hermes being there when the soul was put into man
Speaker 11: for the first time. You just you know, depend But
Speaker 11: it's like almost like this one character kind of writes
Speaker 11: himself into multiple roles through the various histories.
Speaker 3: I love that man.
Speaker 9: That's great because Thought was a was a scribe right
Speaker 9: himself into different and.
Speaker 11: Also Thought was the secretary to Isis when Osiris left
Speaker 11: to civilize the world and teach building and the religions
Speaker 11: and the temples, and Thought was the dark side of
Speaker 11: the moon as the secret wisdom of Isis. That was
Speaker 11: kind of behind the scenes as the moon moved through
Speaker 11: the heavens. So there's all these intrinsic, kind of really esoteric,
Speaker 11: kind of occult aspects of of you know, thought to
Speaker 11: who he Mercury Hermes, you know from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the lesser known aspects of this Hermes
Speaker 1: Aphrodite conjunction or this hermei Mercury Hermaphroditis, that's the one
Speaker 1: that everybody knows. But also they had another child called Priapis, right,
Speaker 1: and Priapis was a rustic god. If you're feeling really brave,
Speaker 1: you should look him up and get an eye fall there,
Speaker 1: because he had literally a baby's arm an apple. And
Speaker 1: so this this god was known as having this massive donger,
Speaker 1: and so Hermes also got associated with this massive dong
Speaker 1: And now this goes right back to what you were
Speaker 1: just saying about the pole of the heavens. So it's
Speaker 1: not just this idea of that you know, he's moving
Speaker 1: between the Earth and the heavens. It's that the spirit
Speaker 1: of the Earth is basically raining down creating life on
Speaker 1: this planet Earth from this northern polar symbolism, and that
Speaker 1: polar symbolism gets then transferred into this masculine idea of
Speaker 1: the masculine creating. Now, Priapis was kind of an unfortunate
Speaker 1: character because despite always having a rock hard sloan, he
Speaker 1: he couldn't use it when the time came. So it's
Speaker 1: like this idea that the spirit is weak but the
Speaker 1: flesh is willing. So there there's this there's this kind
Speaker 1: of a contrast there, and that that preapis angle really
Speaker 1: does get transferred over into the everyday life of the
Speaker 1: average Greek because they would have preapis stones in their gardens,
Speaker 1: like closer to the house, and then they would have
Speaker 1: hermstones sort of guarding or marking out the boundary between
Speaker 1: their territories. So you've got hermes to further out, and
Speaker 1: then this priapist closer to home. But one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they had priapists closer to home was you
Speaker 1: would rub his phallus for luck if you know, as
Speaker 1: as the Greeks were mostly into this fertility ritual thing.
Speaker 1: And also you could pull it out and use it
Speaker 1: as a baseball bat if the people who didn't respect
Speaker 1: your hermstones came onto your property. So you could actually
Speaker 1: smack people around with this giant phallus. And there's nothing more,
Speaker 1: you know, humiliating than being smacked around with the giant
Speaker 1: phallus of this god.
Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, and you'll see priapis literally holding like
Speaker 9: a Cadusie is basically right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I was just going to add more onto the phallic
Speaker 10: symbolism that both represents with his beak, with the ib beak, yeah,
Speaker 10: of course that's very phallic. And it's also uh, which
Speaker 10: is phallic pointing out things, which is another author kind
Speaker 10: of trait in more modern times. The idea of Shakespeare, right,
Speaker 10: he kind of shake the spear, Hey, the author and
Speaker 10: writing a thought being kind of the writer is uh,
Speaker 10: you know, kind of pierces the veil, pierces the realms,
Speaker 10: transverses the different dimensions, as does the beak.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: I think the idea of when the ibis or any
Speaker 10: bird hunts into the water it goes into that other strata, right,
Speaker 10: So maybe that's part of the symbolism of him being
Speaker 10: able to move among dimensions.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, no, definitely, I'm inclined to think so for sure.
Speaker 9: Something speaking of which and just the phallic thing real quick,
Speaker 9: and this going to other dimensions or going to the
Speaker 9: underworld or what have you. You know, this idea of
Speaker 9: energy ascending, going up the world tree, going up the
Speaker 9: world axis whatever. Which, By the way, there's a huge
Speaker 9: thing with mercury, Hermes with spin too. I've seen multiple
Speaker 9: statues where he's with like a wheel or a gear
Speaker 9: or something along these lines. Even I've seen examples of
Speaker 9: like the spin of the Earth kind of being related
Speaker 9: to mercury. And my personal opinion is Earth is not spinning,
Speaker 9: the heavens are spinning. I think that's been a huge
Speaker 9: inversion over time basically, and so that that's kind of
Speaker 9: my position personally. But the fallaist even literally ejaculation into
Speaker 9: a woman, to me, that's symbolic of the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: It's almost like your semen is going to the underworld,
Speaker 9: it's going to another dimension.
Speaker 3: Basically.
Speaker 9: It's another sort of classic sort of example of what
Speaker 9: I'm trying to explain here, So I think that that's
Speaker 9: related as well.
Speaker 11: And the exchange is the creation process that is manifesting
Speaker 11: and bringing forth some sort of form out of the
Speaker 11: meeting of those two spinning serpents, right right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's really reflected in some of the early dirty poetry
Speaker 1: about him, and what they're really trying to say there
Speaker 1: is that this exchange of life, this creation of life,
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with this conjunction of mercury
Speaker 1: and aphrodite. The idea that you're transversing the only way
Speaker 1: to continue life is to transverse boundaries. That is so
Speaker 1: closely related. So when they're talking about Congress and you know,
Speaker 1: places like Washington, that's sexual Congress on a different level.
Speaker 1: And what they're hoping for is that they're transversing these
Speaker 1: boundaries so that you know, you don't have to go
Speaker 1: to war. Obviously it doesn't happen that way. But another
Speaker 1: interesting angle is the Cadusius itself was sort of granted
Speaker 1: two hermes, or you know, they call it the Angel
Speaker 1: of Zeus because being a messenger, he was now untouchable.
Speaker 1: So the ancient messengers or these these figures, they were
Speaker 1: on battlefields, right, and they were untouchable because they had
Speaker 1: these batons that had these ribbons from them. So everybody
Speaker 1: on the battlefield would see that the messenger of the
Speaker 1: king would have this baton with ribbons on them, and
Speaker 1: hermies too. Originally before it was the snakes, he had
Speaker 1: the baton with the two white again white. What are
Speaker 1: they symbolizing there? The two white streamers coming down from it.
Speaker 1: So this was like everybody knew not to touch these guys.
Speaker 1: So you have to wonder where these uh battles really
Speaker 1: all that, you know, all out there, if there were
Speaker 1: people on the battlefield walking around kind of like at
Speaker 1: this larp being the judges judging your hits on each other,
Speaker 1: there's that angle to it. It's like maybe the war
Speaker 1: has never been authentic. Maybe it's always been sort of
Speaker 1: this coached and kind of a sport type thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I've heard it described as a ritualistic.
Speaker 12: I could see that, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Something I did want to add before we go any father,
Speaker 8: and I think I guess, like the phallic stuff, I
Speaker 8: figured it was a way for me to segue into
Speaker 8: this because it was something I wanted to get into.
Speaker 8: I just didn't know how I was going to get
Speaker 8: into it, you know, when it comes to mercury, even angels,
Speaker 8: certain things I have been wondering, you know about like
Speaker 8: them playing a role in physiology or in the body.
Speaker 8: And I guess, like in order to guess, maybe preface
Speaker 8: don't have to get through it real quick. Why even
Speaker 8: think this way? Just from certain experiences in the OTO
Speaker 8: during initiations, you know, there's there's a there's a point
Speaker 8: where I do believe I'm being showed the optic nerve
Speaker 8: in the maneuval, and you know, I'm standing in something
Speaker 8: in front of something and I'm being told the word
Speaker 8: on my thumbs being pump twelve times, and your optic
Speaker 8: nerve is one of your twelve cranial nerves. So I like,
Speaker 8: just in my opinion, that's what I do think I'm seeing.
Speaker 8: So I do think I'm seeing like nerves technically. You know,
Speaker 8: then in Alista Crowley's and a WEX formula, you will
Speaker 8: be grabbing your nipple as if a baby is sucking it,
Speaker 8: and there is something going on through nerves through the
Speaker 8: you know, the body, to the mother's neal gland and
Speaker 8: then affects the child. So again you're seeing nerves. I
Speaker 8: started thinking, well, that's how messages travel with inside your body.
Speaker 8: And all these guys always called messages, and you're sending
Speaker 8: messages throughout all these things. And your dick does have nerves,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, plenty of them. And nerves
Speaker 8: are also very important for healing, and some of these
Speaker 8: gods that are associated with mercury have healing aspects to them.
Speaker 8: So I'm just wondering, like, is it something actually with
Speaker 8: how they travel? Like I joke around saying, write the lightning,
Speaker 8: but maybe you got to write it all the way
Speaker 8: out of your body through your nerves, and not.
Speaker 5: Yet to your point of the nerves. In the penis.
Speaker 5: It also connects all the way to the S one
Speaker 5: S four, t H one L one of the spinal column,
Speaker 5: so it goes all the way back to the spinal column.
Speaker 5: It's connected.
Speaker 3: Even a spine is an anagram for penis.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so, and hence.
Speaker 10: We have the pen right there you go, you know.
Speaker 10: And I believe in Egyptian culture they would often have
Speaker 10: people and gods, and especially to Hoodie have the left
Speaker 10: foot forward right not only him crossing dimensions, but it
Speaker 10: was the way that we would appropriate ourselves most like
Speaker 10: the sun, most like enlightenment. And I believe that is
Speaker 10: can be kind of, you know, the root of the
Speaker 10: classic Freemason question that there's probably many more than this one,
Speaker 10: but the idea of oh, so you're a traveling man
Speaker 10: and the code is supposed to be, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 10: traveling man. I'm heading east. Oh good. And so that's
Speaker 10: the same idea that you're directing yourself as the Egyptian's
Speaker 10: noted left foot direction that in relation to the Nile
Speaker 10: was east, and of maybe interest in Taiji and so
Speaker 10: forth and chigung, everything is left side first, left foot first,
Speaker 10: and interesting correspondence.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, dude. I love that for so many different reasons.
Speaker 9: And this is what I'll say is that I'm always
Speaker 9: thinking about rotation and spin in these circumambulation rituals, and
Speaker 9: whether the totem is on the right or on the
Speaker 9: left makes a big difference with what you're trying to
Speaker 9: do right, and so if the totem is on the right,
Speaker 9: that's more expansive. People have said that this is more
Speaker 9: solar in nature. If the totem is on the left
Speaker 9: and you going counterclockwise, that's actually more polar it's going
Speaker 9: more within. And so there's something to be said about
Speaker 9: like in Islam. When you go to Mecca and you
Speaker 9: go around the Kabba cube, the Kaba cubes on the
Speaker 9: left hand side, you're going counterclockwise. All of the fixed
Speaker 9: stars go counterclockwise around polaris right.
Speaker 10: And the Buddhists, sorry, sorry to build on your point.
Speaker 10: The Buddhists circumambulate their structures. I forget what they're called
Speaker 10: right now, not lingams, but when they circumambulate their gran
Speaker 10: grain structures and celebration of life, I forget what they're called.
Speaker 10: Excuse me, but they do a clockwise circulation, which is
Speaker 10: the opposite of the rotation of Islam. And the Daoists
Speaker 10: say the same thing about those rotations being clockwise being expansive,
Speaker 10: counterclockwise being internal and condensing kind of thing.
Speaker 9: There you go, yeah, And then I don't know if
Speaker 9: you've come across this or whatever, but basically I'm inclined
Speaker 9: to think that East, the direction of East, is actually
Speaker 9: a metaphor, that it's actually beyond the east. And I
Speaker 9: think that when people refer to the quest of the Orient,
Speaker 9: that it's actually not literally an eastward sort of journey,
Speaker 9: and it's not something that you can actually point out
Speaker 9: on the map, but it's actually there's been many ways
Speaker 9: it's been described, but it's actually more of a central
Speaker 9: sort of location. It's like a mythical central sort of location,
Speaker 9: like a sacred center sort of ideas. So in that way,
Speaker 9: I think of the center as like the pole, right,
Speaker 9: like the north pole, the poll star. That's kind of like,
Speaker 9: you know, how I tend to interpret things, and so
Speaker 9: so I've heard that like when East is referenced in
Speaker 9: some texts, they're not literally mean geographical East. And I
Speaker 9: think that's kind of interesting too, because in some freemasonic
Speaker 9: tracing boards there's a clear ladder to the stairway, or
Speaker 9: there's a clear stairway to Heaven to like the polestar
Speaker 9: in my opinion, and oftentimes that is what's labeled east. Right,
Speaker 9: So kind of like this mythical sort of other dimensional, centralized,
Speaker 9: kind of polar sort of thing with how I tend
Speaker 9: to look at things, which that's kind of another thing
Speaker 9: with mercury, I'll say, is that there's a triune nature
Speaker 9: to mercury, right, So it's almost like the one reflects
Speaker 9: upon itself, is aware of itself, which creates two, and
Speaker 9: then the two creates a three sort of thing. There's
Speaker 9: this natural unfolding, right, and so whenever there's two of anything,
Speaker 9: there's a third thing. So with the Gemini twins, you
Speaker 9: have the twins, but there's a third thing that's created.
Speaker 9: Now there's like a passageway or like an opening or doorway,
Speaker 9: just like the pillars, right, and.
Speaker 1: So mercury maybe between two mirrors.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Father son, Holy spirit right behind you.
Speaker 9: Yep, yep, yeah, totally. There's a triune trinity thing. Whenever
Speaker 9: there's two of anything, there's always this hidden third. And
Speaker 9: so what I how I break it down in Dakota,
Speaker 9: is that mercury has symbolism, undeniable symbolism that is solar
Speaker 9: in nature, undeniable symbolism that is lunar in nature, and
Speaker 9: undeniable symbolism that is.
Speaker 3: Polar in nature. That's the third thing, lunar, solar, and polar.
Speaker 9: You know, that's how you even look at the three
Speaker 9: pillars on the Cabbalistic tree of life, you know. And
Speaker 9: so so I think polar is the most primordial though,
Speaker 9: and again it relates to the pole, the pillar, the fallus,
Speaker 9: this central sort of idea of the world axis, you know,
Speaker 9: all this kind of stuff. So there's like a whole
Speaker 9: entire breakdown that you can look at the polar, lunar
Speaker 9: and solar symbolism of mercury, and it's all completely baked
Speaker 9: into all of these different mercurial figures and stuff.
Speaker 11: So I have something in regard to what you're saying there.
Speaker 11: When you get into alchemy and Paracelsus, he has a
Speaker 11: whole treaty on pulling mercury from every type of metal,
Speaker 11: and he tells you how to lay it out into
Speaker 11: these flatforms, put it in vinegar, purify it, and nonetheless,
Speaker 11: he says, the spirit of mercury, which is only subjected
Speaker 11: to spirit, to the spirits above, has no determination or
Speaker 11: certain form itself. Hence it happens that it emits every metal,
Speaker 11: just as wax or seves all seals of whatever form.
Speaker 11: But it goes on to just basically say that, you know,
Speaker 11: within sal there's mercury, within Luna, there's mercury within all
Speaker 11: of So mercury is the fixative and the flux of
Speaker 11: all the different and you can pull mercury and put
Speaker 11: it into all of the various metals, so very much
Speaker 11: along the lines of exactly what you were saying there.
Speaker 1: Well, when mining metals from out of the ground, what
Speaker 1: you'll find is that it's usually coated in other less
Speaker 1: pure metals. So you've got lead, and you've got mercury
Speaker 1: that's usually in a mouth that's around things like copper,
Speaker 1: and you know, big iron ore deposits and things like that.
Speaker 1: You've got all these things that are basically surrounded by mercury,
Speaker 1: and you don't get a lot out of the mercury
Speaker 1: that surrounds it, but you know, if you're minding enough metal,
Speaker 1: you can get.
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 9: Interesting. Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that, man, that's great.
Speaker 9: Makes a lot of sense. One of the things I
Speaker 9: was gonna add on to what Nick was saying about
Speaker 9: the hero's journey being mercurial in nature basically essentially, right, dude,
Speaker 9: I can't tell you. I went to film school, so
Speaker 9: I mean, for what it's worth, it was just a
Speaker 9: rinkyding film school in Portland. But you know, I'm always
Speaker 9: decoding when I'm watching stuff, I'm sure, just like all
Speaker 9: of you guys and whatever. But ever since I really
Speaker 9: got into mercurial symbolism. Man, Almost every single protagonist, maybe
Speaker 9: all of them, I have the exact same opinion, dude,
Speaker 9: where I'm like, this is freaking mercury. If there's any
Speaker 9: plan terry correspondence here or whatever, I'm like, this is mercury.
Speaker 9: So I think that's actually the hidden correspondence essentially with
Speaker 9: protagonists is that it is actually mercury, because what we
Speaker 9: want to see the hero's journey is about change being mercurial,
Speaker 9: right right, traveling, you know, and going through this journey,
Speaker 9: you know, whatever it might be.
Speaker 3: So there's some movies though that really really are highly.
Speaker 9: Aware of this dynamic in my opinion, and just because
Speaker 9: it's a classic movie that like everyone is familiar with
Speaker 9: and it does a pretty good job doing it esoterically.
Speaker 9: The matrix, you know, Neo is basically a mercurial figure. Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's writing the Chariot when he's got those twins Chason them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: There's some Chariot cards, by the way that I have
Speaker 9: one in particular by this creator. Her name is Barbara Walker.
Speaker 9: She's actually a really great symbologist. She has a few
Speaker 9: really awesome symbology books and she did her own deck,
Speaker 9: so she is like really schooled on mythology and things
Speaker 9: like that. She put the glyph of mercury on the
Speaker 9: front of the chariot in the chariot card, which is
Speaker 9: ruled by cancer, but she knows the symbolism, so she
Speaker 9: put mercury right there. And I'm like, that is really awesome.
Speaker 9: But at the end of the movie, Neo, and there's
Speaker 9: so much green in the movie too, right, the color
Speaker 9: of mercury, the heart chakra, right, the color of nature.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: And so at the very end of the movie, he's
Speaker 9: in a phone booth he does like the final call
Speaker 9: or whatever. He walks outside he's at an intersection, aka
Speaker 9: the crossroads. Right, Mercury has a lot of symbolism related
Speaker 9: to crossroad symbolism. The crossroad is the point of ascension,
Speaker 9: and it's a transcendental sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: I almost think if you look at a cross literally,
Speaker 9: you have the four quadrants or the four arms, So
Speaker 9: the number four relates to the cross but that center
Speaker 9: point where the vertical and horizontal meat that is the
Speaker 9: fifth point point, So that's like the transcendental point. I'm
Speaker 9: kind of inclined to think that the cross when it's
Speaker 9: you see them in graveyards and stuff like that. Symbolically,
Speaker 9: there is a thing about people crossing over, right with
Speaker 9: this cross and Neo walks out of the phone booth
Speaker 9: at the crossroads, and then that's the first time you
Speaker 9: see him fly basically, right, he like literally just takes
Speaker 9: off like Superman or whatever. And so to me, I'm
Speaker 9: just like that is all basically encoding some of the
Speaker 9: things we're kind of talking about.
Speaker 12: Right, Hey, what you're saying, you're.
Speaker 5: In your transcendental with mercury, isn't it in Gene help
Speaker 5: me out? I think, isn't the first Emperor of China
Speaker 5: buried over the river of mercury? I do know that
Speaker 5: with the feathered serpentzecaudalaal He, the temple itself has a
Speaker 5: large deposit of mercury in it. And so when you
Speaker 5: were talking about crossing over or having this transcendental moment,
Speaker 5: it reminded me of those two things.
Speaker 10: I was gonna mention when you you mentioned the red
Speaker 10: uh Herb. The Chinese were both what wasn't Lisa, I
Speaker 10: think was it the first? Yes? Yeah, the Chinese were
Speaker 10: uh obsessed with cinnebar and in not only internally, but
Speaker 10: I think ceremonially as well. Sorry about that, Maria.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So I'll just add really quick like cinnabar
Speaker 4: are still really popularly Houston t c M for skin formulations,
Speaker 4: and it is considered to be herb of Mars in particular.
Speaker 4: But there's an interesting element and I wanted to bring
Speaker 4: this up later when Nick had my slides, but I'll
Speaker 4: just mention it now. Is the thing about quicksilver and
Speaker 4: mercury mixed together. It's it's actually a treatment for nerves.
Speaker 4: Like Lisa, you brought up the thing about the in
Speaker 4: the penis is connection to the spine. Well, there's even
Speaker 4: an idea in TNTRA there that the tip is green.
Speaker 4: Like bringing up this green because most people don't associate
Speaker 4: green with mercury all the time, even in cabala, Like
Speaker 4: if you look at a hermetic tree, it's often orange,
Speaker 4: but really in contra it's green. So it's but it's
Speaker 4: emerald green. It's green with light passing through. So this
Speaker 4: is the really important distinction from like venus or nuts.
Speaker 4: So that's like a jade color or a copper color
Speaker 4: that's been oxidized. But to bring it back to the
Speaker 4: quicksilver and cinebar. It is said that quicksilver actually dissolves
Speaker 4: the cinnabar to make it more less toxic. So when
Speaker 4: you're using in a formula, it kind of corrodes, just
Speaker 4: like it corrodes copper, So it corodes.
Speaker 6: Has the element to like Robbie was saying, the flux.
Speaker 4: It is the flux that kind of corrodes both cinnabar
Speaker 4: and copper at the same time. So it's used in
Speaker 4: nerve formulas when it is treated or processed a not
Speaker 4: specific way, but often for scorpion bites, cinnebar, and any
Speaker 4: kind of raised boils.
Speaker 6: I know we brought up the scorpion thing last.
Speaker 4: Time, but I have so much more notes, but I'll wait,
Speaker 4: I'll wait till until you're done by Sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh you're good man. This is awesome.
Speaker 1: That patina color is just so perfect as the example
Speaker 1: of mercury because it's the metal and it's also what
Speaker 1: combines with venus or copper, so it's got it's got
Speaker 1: all the symbols right in there.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, copper as it patina as the patinas it
Speaker 11: turns that green.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 9: And Jen, I'm glad you mentioned emeralds absolutely, and I'm
Speaker 9: inclined to think that this is somewhat part of the
Speaker 9: inspiration for Emerald City where in the Wizard of Oz, right,
Speaker 9: and so Emerald City apparently when you read the source
Speaker 9: material of the books, it's known that Emerald City is
Speaker 9: in the middle of Oz, So they're actually going to
Speaker 9: the center of Oz, essentially the sacred center, right, and
Speaker 9: then that's where the wizard is, right, and so wizardry magic,
Speaker 9: you know, all these different types of things heavily related
Speaker 9: to mercury.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: I was going to say about the mercury under the ground.
Speaker 1: So at Tao Tucon they found a scale model of
Speaker 1: Tao Tuacan under the ground in front of the Temple
Speaker 1: of the Sun, and that scale model had this river
Speaker 1: of mercury flowing through it somehow. And what's interesting about
Speaker 1: both Teo Tuacan and the sites in China with these
Speaker 1: underground mercury rivers is that it's it's like there's constant
Speaker 1: sightings around these areas of UFOs, but never over the areas.
Speaker 1: So if you want to keep the aliens away from you,
Speaker 1: you need the subterranean river of mercury.
Speaker 11: And then well, the problem heard that they took mercury
Speaker 11: and filled up pools so that they could stand on
Speaker 11: top of the pyramids and look down.
Speaker 10: To observe the stars.
Speaker 11: So you know, there's mercury.
Speaker 10: Just you can go.
Speaker 11: We can go for days and days and days.
Speaker 9: Absolutely. Some people say that it's either mercury or red mercury,
Speaker 9: which is a whole nother rabbit hole too. That's sort
Speaker 9: of the secret for like levitation and for creating UFOs
Speaker 9: and things like that.
Speaker 11: And it was the Pyramid of the Vulture that they
Speaker 11: found a chamber of red mercury in South America.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, nice, nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe dude, you can share a couple of my
Speaker 9: slides because there's a few points that I think looking
Speaker 9: at some of this artwork visually would be helpful. So
Speaker 9: I'm thinking of number five and then also number eight,
Speaker 9: but there's other things too that I think will kind of,
Speaker 9: you know, take the conversation where it needs to go.
Speaker 12: Here you go.
Speaker 9: But basically, you know, when you look at some mercurial figures,
Speaker 9: what I've noticed is that and you guys can help
Speaker 9: me out with the right terminology here, they're either the
Speaker 9: synthesis of the masculine and the feminine, or they operate
Speaker 9: outside of the feminine and the masculine, something along these lines.
Speaker 9: But I think that this is a good example of that,
Speaker 9: where you have a clear mercurial figure in the middle, right,
Speaker 9: his phallus is out in the open, he has mercury
Speaker 9: on top of his head, he has two caduceiuses in
Speaker 9: his hands. And then you have a figure on the
Speaker 9: left more emblematic of the sun because the sun is
Speaker 9: on the left hand side. He has a club, and
Speaker 9: then on the right a figure that's more emblematic of
Speaker 9: the moon because the moon is on the right hand side.
Speaker 9: And what I'm inclined to think is that a lot
Speaker 9: of teachers from the ancient world are associated with mercury basically,
Speaker 9: and this relates to the wild man green man sort
Speaker 9: of thing, that their wisdom comes from a previous age.
Speaker 9: And I'm inclined to think that this is polar in nature.
Speaker 9: So once again, solar symbolism on the left, lunar symbolism
Speaker 9: on the right, polar symbolism in the middle. That polar
Speaker 9: symbolism is more primordial, right, And so I think that
Speaker 9: this is what you see again in the Taro where
Speaker 9: the fool is always carrying.
Speaker 3: A pole with him. That's not a mistake.
Speaker 9: A lot of green men or a lot of wild
Speaker 9: man sort of figures, they're always with a staff or
Speaker 9: they're always with a pole. This relates to that tradition,
Speaker 9: which is also referred to as the mystic pole tradition basically, right,
Speaker 9: And so I'm inclined to think that Mercury's origins basically
Speaker 9: are with all of this polar sort of stuff. But
Speaker 9: if you didn't know about any of that symbolism, I
Speaker 9: think it'd be kind of harder to pick up. And
Speaker 9: I think that if you go to the eighth slide,
Speaker 9: number eight eight, you'll see Hermes Trismegistus, and basically it's
Speaker 9: a different sort of layout, but I think it's communicating
Speaker 9: some of the same symbolism in that you have he's
Speaker 9: operating outside almost of the lunar solar paradigm or something
Speaker 9: along these lines, right, he predates it, and so you
Speaker 9: have the sun on the top and then you have
Speaker 9: the moon on the bottom, and he's operating outside of that,
Speaker 9: and he's holding what he's holding a pole, right, and
Speaker 9: so that pole has a sphere on it, And to me,
Speaker 9: this is like a clear sort of acknowledgment of the
Speaker 9: world axis, sort of this symbolic bridge to other planes,
Speaker 9: the north pole or whatever you want to say. But
Speaker 9: Hermie's trismagist is his wisdom. Their wisdom, mercurial figures. You know,
Speaker 9: they know things that modern people don't know. So I
Speaker 9: think sometimes, like in the last slide that we just
Speaker 9: looked at, solar lunar people are trying to basically, you know,
Speaker 9: hurt Mercury because he comes from a previous age. It's
Speaker 9: almost symbolically kind of showing the passage of time in
Speaker 9: a way. You know that the mercurial wisdom is something
Speaker 9: that is ancient, so much so that I think that
Speaker 9: modern people have a hard time either respecting it or
Speaker 9: understanding it or something along these lines. But what do
Speaker 9: you guys think about this?
Speaker 10: So please go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say.
Speaker 11: So, when you go back to the prediluvion stories of
Speaker 11: the original pill the two pillars that were set up,
Speaker 11: one was brick and one was lattice. One of those
Speaker 11: pillars was said to be established by Hermes as a
Speaker 11: pre Deluvian Hermes, and then it was a post alluvion
Speaker 11: of different Hermes in the same line that basically found
Speaker 11: that and deciphered it and as thought and gave it
Speaker 11: to the priests and basically was seen in high regard.
Speaker 11: So there is this sense of a post Alluvian or
Speaker 11: prediluvian post Alluvian kind of information system that carries through
Speaker 11: from and heading into the polestar and the changing of
Speaker 11: the polestar potential Earth changes, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 10: I was that's that's amazing. I was going to add
Speaker 10: that the that you have the polarity of the sun
Speaker 10: and the moon, which harken back to your concept of
Speaker 10: the pillars, and then the third who's kind of you know,
Speaker 10: in in concert with the two polarity systems there and
Speaker 10: also that trinity that beckons to the trice great and
Speaker 10: and I believe that kind of in in regards to surpassing.
Speaker 10: It's also the sense of mastering these three worlds of high, Middle,
Speaker 10: Low or heaven, Earth and man or and sometimes referred
Speaker 10: to or could be demonstrated as the priestly, the king,
Speaker 10: and the philosopher. Many times it's been regarded that way,
Speaker 10: but you could also think of it as mastering psyche
Speaker 10: or politics excuse me, and politics, the political state systems
Speaker 10: and the you know nature of a high place. So
Speaker 10: there's that those trinities are are right there. And I
Speaker 10: feel like to your point of the crossroads too. In
Speaker 10: Egyptian concept of life and death, which of course they're
Speaker 10: obsessed with, there's the two main worlds maybe in that
Speaker 10: crossroads idea of the living and the dead, and there's also, uh,
Speaker 10: the realm of the gods, and they weren't really it
Speaker 10: wasn't easy for them to just come to Earth like
Speaker 10: except for Hermes and both rather and there was also
Speaker 10: the fourth day mentioned in that where sometimes if a
Speaker 10: person was exceptional both of course there was a way
Speaker 10: to kind of visit the godly realm for a mortal,
Speaker 10: but normally it was those main three and then this
Speaker 10: other one that was like exceptional an exception. Thanks for
Speaker 10: letting me soon.
Speaker 1: Well, what is that to me is the auras around
Speaker 1: the sun and the moon there, so you've got that
Speaker 1: kind of X shape between the two and around the
Speaker 1: sun you get the rays coming off of the sun.
Speaker 1: But then outside of that it sort of seems like
Speaker 1: you've got this implosion force. Right, So to me with
Speaker 1: that sort of indicating is some kind of an ether, right,
Speaker 1: So there's an etheric connection between both the Sun and
Speaker 1: the moon, and the way that they're depicting them like
Speaker 1: right over top of each other indicates I think a
Speaker 1: kind of maybe a conjunction maybe talking about the eclipse
Speaker 1: having that kind of like moving into that eclipse you
Speaker 1: get a different change in the energy the ether around them.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 12: Interesting, you can see that's the separation on it.
Speaker 9: When it comes to rays, one of the things I've
Speaker 9: picked up symbolically, I just think it's interesting and when
Speaker 9: I see stuff like this now, I definitely take it
Speaker 9: into account. But when you see a the ray of
Speaker 9: a sun and it's wavy, I've heard symbolically that's more
Speaker 9: indicative of heat, and when you see it and it's
Speaker 9: straight out, like spokes on a wheel, that that's more
Speaker 9: indicative of light.
Speaker 3: And so there's like probably both of that going on here.
Speaker 9: It seems like right, the big fat sort of wavy
Speaker 9: rays and then the straight ones behind it.
Speaker 5: In some of the ancient plates, you see exactly that
Speaker 5: the wavy and the straight, and that's indicative of them
Speaker 5: trying to emulate that it was both heat and light.
Speaker 3: Cha, gotcha.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know something I have wondered about.
Speaker 8: And I don't know if this plays into anything worth
Speaker 8: a you know, cult symbolism or mercury, but I mean
Speaker 8: I do find it interesting. I mean, you just think
Speaker 8: as simple as a thermometer, I mean, if you add
Speaker 8: heat to it, it's gonna like yeah, I mean technically,
Speaker 8: I means it defined gravity. I don't know if whatever
Speaker 8: that is, you know, gravity, but I mean you add
Speaker 8: heat to it, it's going to move in a different
Speaker 8: direction that it's at.
Speaker 11: Well, I think it's just expanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, what he's also showing though, is that as he's
Speaker 1: pointing downward, you know, you've got the eyes above, so below.
Speaker 1: He's putting the pole above or as a more spiritual
Speaker 1: concept than the lower concept of both the sun and
Speaker 1: the moon. So he's sort of saying this is a
Speaker 1: reflection of somehow the polar symbolism.
Speaker 9: So maybe you guys can help me out here. Is
Speaker 9: this a statement polarity precedes duality?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because condensation would cause the polarity to then
Speaker 1: form the duality, you know, because as they've sort of separated,
Speaker 1: then you've got the two masses now being in contrast
Speaker 1: to one another.
Speaker 10: I didn't see it before. But as you're speaking of
Speaker 10: the polarity, there's in the two worlds of the Sun
Speaker 10: and the Moon, there's that eight, or there's essentially an
Speaker 10: eight in that fiery formation there between.
Speaker 3: Oh that's excellent man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So Mercury's cycle is eighty eight days for one vitation, right,
Speaker 9: the fastest planet. So that actually makes it very tricky
Speaker 9: to see in the night sky, so you actually have
Speaker 9: to go out of your way to see Mercury. Essentially,
Speaker 9: can I can.
Speaker 5: I inject quick? Can we go back to the previous life?
Speaker 12: Yeah? Sorry about that?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you're gold probably wants to move on,
Speaker 5: but I was like, I want to say something.
Speaker 3: You're good.
Speaker 5: So this image right here reminds me of something that
Speaker 5: Nick and I had discussed. So we were talking about
Speaker 5: retrograde and how the concept of retrograde is that you
Speaker 5: mercury appears as it's going backwards, and so to me,
Speaker 5: immediately I think mercury going forwards, mercury going backwards, And
Speaker 5: you can only see mercury retrograde or mercury going backwards
Speaker 5: if you are on planet Earth, so to speak, and
Speaker 5: that it is the way that it circles around the Sun.
Speaker 5: Itself to where you know, you're going whatever faster than
Speaker 5: Mercury at some point, and then it looks like Mercury's
Speaker 5: going backwards, kind of like with a car when you
Speaker 5: pass up a car and the car kind of looks
Speaker 5: like it's going backwards, but it's not. It's just the
Speaker 5: way the optical illusion is. And so with Hermes, Hermes
Speaker 5: is such a duel, right, there's a duality to him,
Speaker 5: and so you have the duality again sun and moon
Speaker 5: and then you have the Earth. To me, that indicates
Speaker 5: somewhat of maybe they could see the retrograde back then
Speaker 5: and that they were trying to depict something like that.
Speaker 5: But that's what that reminds me of.
Speaker 1: Well, got the eighty eight day cycle too, that that
Speaker 1: brings to mind the eighty eight keys of it of
Speaker 1: a piano. And what Hermes is known for is being
Speaker 1: the teacher of music to Apollo, and so that that
Speaker 1: teacher of music angle is is you know, firmly fixed
Speaker 1: in the idea of the piano and the cycle of
Speaker 1: Hermei or Mercury.
Speaker 9: Excellent man, Yeah, exactly right. So what I've learned is
Speaker 9: that some teachers that are associated with this solar dynamic.
Speaker 9: Their teacher was more polar and their teacher was more
Speaker 9: mercurial basically, right, and so like like Saint John the
Speaker 9: Baptist as an example, like he's a clear wild man
Speaker 9: sort of figure, which relates him to the green Man too,
Speaker 9: and he's always carrying a staff or a really long
Speaker 9: crucifix basically, and so to me, there's mercurial sort of
Speaker 9: signatures all over him and his storyline all day long.
Speaker 9: And then he's you know, he taught Jesus and stuff
Speaker 9: like that. If Jesus belonged to like a sector a school,
Speaker 9: my understanding is that it would be of Saint John
Speaker 9: the Baptist. So that's just kind of like another sort
Speaker 9: of you know example there. Yeah, so who brought this
Speaker 9: one up?
Speaker 3: This image?
Speaker 8: This is Heinrich Kuhenroth's his things that he's got going
Speaker 8: on over here. And one thing that I did find
Speaker 8: this interesting, well, I mean, at least if you want,
Speaker 8: I mean it's your I think.
Speaker 5: No, I mean just when we were doing coon Roth,
Speaker 5: we were looking and I believe this is called the
Speaker 5: andrew gene. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and it's
Speaker 5: the atom androgen. And if you focus in on the
Speaker 5: actual humanoid that is depicted here. You'll see that the
Speaker 5: arms have exactly the same writing as Baphomet does the
Speaker 5: solvee and quadulile right, And when we stumbled upon it,
Speaker 5: there you go perfect. When we stumbled upon it, immediately
Speaker 5: I thought of the baph Met, right, I was like,
Speaker 5: what are the odds? Maybe I don't remember it correctly.
Speaker 5: So we went and we looked, and sure enough, Levi
Speaker 5: basically sites that his Baphamet illustration was inspired and a
Speaker 5: direct I guess nod to konroths Adam Androgeny. But one
Speaker 5: of the interesting things is, so if you look at
Speaker 5: this humanoid that Kuonroth is depicting, you clearly see a
Speaker 5: distinction in faces like female male. You see a distinction
Speaker 5: in breast or pectoralis, and you see a distinction in
Speaker 5: the arms. One is more muscular, one is a little
Speaker 5: bit more feminine. And then if you look at the abdomen,
Speaker 5: the same thing. It's not as pronun else with the
Speaker 5: rib cage kind of coming out with the more masculine
Speaker 5: one and then having that cut into the waist with
Speaker 5: the feminine. And so if you look at the bapha Met,
Speaker 5: you do see clear distinctions in pectoralis as well as
Speaker 5: well as the arms corresponding to each and then you
Speaker 5: see that kind of cut in more so on the
Speaker 5: Elephus Levi depiction, where it shows that that side is
Speaker 5: a little bit more feminine than the other one. So
Speaker 5: it was just something that we thought to mention.
Speaker 9: Oh no, yeah, that's completely relevant. I actually included Bapphamet
Speaker 9: the a leafis Levi illustration in the slides there, so
Speaker 9: if you wanted to go to the tenth slide, that's
Speaker 9: what we'll see. And when you look at the phallus
Speaker 9: of Bapphamet, the symbolic pallas, right, I mean it's a
Speaker 9: cadusius and so all a lot of the symbolism, this
Speaker 9: androgenous nature and everything completely relevant. And to me personally,
Speaker 9: when I look at that in his lap, I mean
Speaker 9: I just I once again see kind of a world
Speaker 9: axis symbol and then that arc just reminds me of
Speaker 9: firmament symbolism, you know, So that's how I kind of
Speaker 9: perceive it.
Speaker 1: Well, that that Kuna plate looks so similar to the
Speaker 1: art card from Carly's Taro.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so exactly exactly, And actually that makes perfect sense too.
Speaker 9: The art card has a lot to do with alchemy,
Speaker 9: specifically what I've heard asof alchemy. And on top of
Speaker 9: the two heads there you can see in that bird,
Speaker 9: in the body of the bird, it says Azoth right there,
Speaker 9: and it's it's.
Speaker 5: The Azoth for sure.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The whole if you look at it closer, is that
Speaker 5: Azoth is formed from the Latin A and Z. But
Speaker 5: it also is a nod to the Greek A alpha alpha,
Speaker 5: and then the omega as well, and then their symbolism.
Speaker 5: And there with Hebrew you have the a leaf and
Speaker 5: the towel. So he was constantly doing this, you know,
Speaker 5: trinity type symbolism all throughout with with that, and then
Speaker 5: I think on the oh, you have the sun symbol
Speaker 5: in the center where it's as a's the o itself
Speaker 5: is the Sun's symbol. So you have, you know, a
Speaker 5: nod to the sun gold or sun is the sun
Speaker 5: so right, and it's adam, so the sun is the son.
Speaker 9: Excellent. Yeah, yeah, no, I was definitely gonna bring up
Speaker 9: baph Met for sure, because.
Speaker 10: It really ahead.
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, no, no, definitely, I'm going all over
Speaker 9: the place, so I don't have like a set structure
Speaker 9: or anything like that.
Speaker 11: Mercury is all over the place.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true, Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 12: One thing I do want to add before we go forward.
Speaker 8: If anybody would like to be able to look at
Speaker 8: this image more, go check out a whole research institute
Speaker 8: dot org.
Speaker 12: This is only.
Speaker 3: Just because yeah, there.
Speaker 5: You go, shame, shameless plug. Anything you look at online
Speaker 5: for the Adam and drogeny is not clear at all.
Speaker 5: But Nick went and took pictures of this at the library,
Speaker 5: and that's when we use for our episode because it
Speaker 5: was the clearest one on the internet.
Speaker 10: So nice, nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you go to check out this guy's book
Speaker 8: on this website, you're not gonna see as much detail
Speaker 8: as you do anywhere else because I went in on
Speaker 8: multiple shots.
Speaker 9: So this image here, these two figures, you know, what
Speaker 9: it's reminding me of too, is just how hybrids are
Speaker 9: associated with mercurial symbolism as well. Right, So like murr
Speaker 9: made you know, and I even have a card here
Speaker 9: where you see like a mermaid type figure. If you
Speaker 9: want to go to slide zero zero three in the
Speaker 9: lower left, you'll see a mermaid. But the Murr and
Speaker 9: mercury are completely related to each other, and so even Sagittarius,
Speaker 9: half human, half horse, the centaur. There's so much symbolism
Speaker 9: with Sagittarius that I see as being very mercurial. In fact,
Speaker 9: the glyph of Sagittarius is an arrow right for archery
Speaker 9: and crowley. In the Book of Thought right his deck
Speaker 9: is also called the Thought deck. He says that the
Speaker 9: arrow is the simplest glyph of mercury, that it represents mercury.
Speaker 9: And so he says that literally, the arrow of Sagittarius
Speaker 9: is mercurial in nature. So you see down in the
Speaker 9: lower left little mermaid sort of figure there. See, even
Speaker 9: in that hybrid creatures relate to mercury in some way.
Speaker 12: Even in that thinking, I would even say, now, I
Speaker 12: would say that the archer is still tooth.
Speaker 9: Yeah man, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I see that absolutely.
Speaker 9: I mean, what is the arrow? The arrow is another
Speaker 9: phallic in my opinion, phallic sort of world access symbol,
Speaker 9: and it travels right, and so it's a traveler.
Speaker 11: Also, I was gonna say, you brought up the murrh.
Speaker 11: There are some of the ancient texts coming out of
Speaker 11: Ireland and around in that area where they talk about
Speaker 11: the mrr were the ones who built the stone circles.
Speaker 9: Ah, excellent, Yeah, that reminds me too of one thing
Speaker 9: I wanted to talk about the etymology of Mercury, just
Speaker 9: a little thing I personally pay attention to. I fully
Speaker 9: acknowledge this is more of my individual weave or whatever.
Speaker 9: So if other people don't find it that interesting, I
Speaker 9: totally get it. But I'm always interested in words that
Speaker 9: begin with er or contain er. And when you look
Speaker 9: at er, there's like civilizations named her, there's games called er.
Speaker 9: There's even groups that have called themselves like er, something
Speaker 9: along these lines. And when you look at er, it
Speaker 9: means like original or primordial or something along these lines,
Speaker 9: like very very ancient, like the beginning of a thing.
Speaker 9: And so I first got on this tip because of
Speaker 9: Ursa Major and Ursa minor, two northern constellations right that
Speaker 9: circumambulate the Pole Star. And I just think it's interesting
Speaker 9: that in Mercury you have two errs Mercury Mercury, right,
Speaker 9: So it's like almost like this double origin sort of
Speaker 9: dynamic with it or something along these heads.
Speaker 11: Well, and if you're connecting the Pole Star to the
Speaker 11: Earth and those two symbols spinning circularly around the Pole
Speaker 11: I mean that could essentially be the pole with the serpents.
Speaker 3: No exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And Draco's up there too in the north right, So
Speaker 9: when Draco is going around the pole star, I kind
Speaker 9: of see similar symbolism. And then you said Earth Earth, right,
Speaker 9: there's another example. So once you start paying attention to it,
Speaker 9: it really is all over the place. Maybe if you
Speaker 9: want to just go to number two, that's lie number two.
Speaker 9: It's the Crowley version of the magician card. And I
Speaker 9: just wanted to point out basically that very obvious poll
Speaker 9: behind him, which I think is you know, related to
Speaker 9: the world axis and everything else, which seemingly he's levitating
Speaker 9: up it. It's almost like he's like kind of levitating
Speaker 9: going and you know, through this ascension sort of journey
Speaker 9: or whatever. And he was a stude enough too to
Speaker 9: do the one legged or one footed sort of thing
Speaker 9: with his foot there. And when I see one legged
Speaker 9: symbolism or a symbolism like this, or someone standing on
Speaker 9: a foot or they're acknowledging like their tippy toes not
Speaker 9: in like a ballerina, I always think of spin. And
Speaker 9: there's a lot of myths that point out the one leg,
Speaker 9: and to me, it's just another world access symbol. So
Speaker 9: the fact that he's in front of that poll, this
Speaker 9: is the first card again, just even literally the number one.
Speaker 9: You know how we draw the number one with just
Speaker 9: a straight vertical line. It's the same axis in my opinion,
Speaker 9: But one legged symbolism implies axial sabolism again, kind of
Speaker 9: like a ballerina or something, or one leg. It's almost
Speaker 9: like there's deities that have had one leg, or they
Speaker 9: have one leg gets chopped off or something along these lines.
Speaker 9: To me, it's just like a poll pretty much. Instead
Speaker 9: of having two legs, you have the one leg, or
Speaker 9: at least you're alluding to it. And I think that
Speaker 9: that's kind of what he's alluding to here in some way.
Speaker 9: But yeah, if other people want to share some slides,
Speaker 9: they're more than welcome to.
Speaker 3: Jen. I know you have a couple of things you
Speaker 3: want to share, right.
Speaker 6: Sure, So yeah, thanks guys, Nick, if you want to
Speaker 6: bring mine up. I appreciate that. Which one the second one?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 12: I think this will be the second one. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: That's the first one?
Speaker 6: But why don't I just do that? Sorry, I'll do
Speaker 6: this all Yeah, don't don't worry, don't be sorry. So
Speaker 6: this is Ganash.
Speaker 4: Obviously everybody's familiar with Ganesh. But he is a mercurial
Speaker 4: figure because he is the he is the and son
Speaker 4: of what we would say is like Venus or nuts O.
Speaker 4: So she creates him out of her humoric powder that
Speaker 4: she wears on her skin and as well as semen
Speaker 4: from Shiva. So the quicksilver, that's how it's often described
Speaker 4: in tntras is the quicksilver, and she puts it in
Speaker 4: like a little clay figure or a flower figure. So
Speaker 4: he's completely created. He's not created through intercourse, right, So,
Speaker 4: but he is of Shiva and of her.
Speaker 6: But he's more of her.
Speaker 4: So that's and but he doesn't clear mercury in betic astrology,
Speaker 4: so this is a common misconception. Is like in Nash
Speaker 4: will be prayed to to clear the astrological conditions that
Speaker 4: are negative in mercury, he actually clears ketu. So it's
Speaker 4: something that even excuse me, Mario brought up and I
Speaker 4: even texted this to Nick the other day. I also
Speaker 4: believe that hoade mercury has a triune expression. I believe
Speaker 4: it's the princess, the princess, the prints and the dragon.
Speaker 4: But Kattu, the subtle body, the smoky body that it's
Speaker 4: it contains potential, but it's not uh, it's not aggregated.
Speaker 4: So you could say that Ganapati, who is the lord
Speaker 4: of hosts gun Us means posts. He is the one
Speaker 4: who creates klipas or creates skandas, or creates like aggregation.
Speaker 4: He creates the path, the physical paths, and he also
Speaker 4: creates obstacles in front of it.
Speaker 6: But then he can also disaggregate obstacles.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like how Lisa was saying, there,
Speaker 4: only when you're on Earth can you see the retrograde
Speaker 4: of mercury. Well, mercury and retrograde would really be understood
Speaker 4: in a Joe Tish way as being Kattus being that
Speaker 4: southern node of the dragon, so you're seeing it turn
Speaker 4: and then that's what he affixes in astrology. He kind
Speaker 4: of is that curve that like his like his trunk
Speaker 4: is curved. And it's interesting because he has both up
Speaker 4: and down mudras, just like a kind of a Baphomet figure,
Speaker 4: and he's also depicted as writing his Vahamma is a rat.
Speaker 4: Well obviously, Nick is fond of this. But the rats
Speaker 4: and the stars, those are the same thing. But you
Speaker 4: could and then you can also say that he is atomized,
Speaker 4: like he's very small because rats are small. So he
Speaker 4: in and of himself, just like Lisa is also alluding to,
Speaker 4: he is the Kingdom in and of himself because he's
Speaker 4: all the parts come together. He's imperfect because he's not
Speaker 4: also of the Father. So I just think that that's
Speaker 4: really interesting. He is he's the god of outer wisdom.
Speaker 4: This is a more tentric idea, This is not a
Speaker 4: more normative Hindu idea. But he's the god of outer
Speaker 4: wisdom or outer knowledge. Even so, what he teaches is
Speaker 4: kind of worldly building. That's what he's often given a
Speaker 4: compass and a globe. So obviously there's a kind of
Speaker 4: a reference there for the prince who squares the circle.
Speaker 4: We could say, but I think that that actually the next.
Speaker 6: Figure is much more interesting. Nick, if you help, I'm
Speaker 6: bringing up my side.
Speaker 1: Can I help the real quick? So the first, the
Speaker 1: first king of Athens was said to be Ericthonius, who
Speaker 1: was the product of the god of the Forge and Athena.
Speaker 1: He couldn't help himself. He you know, he was chasing
Speaker 1: her around because you know, she didn't want to get
Speaker 1: with him, but you know, he was kind of deformed,
Speaker 1: but he spewed his load on her and it hit
Speaker 1: her leg and then fell on the ground. And then Ericthonius,
Speaker 1: which was a snake legged sort of a demigod, was emerged,
Speaker 1: and she took pity on the snake leged demigod and
Speaker 1: took him in, raised him, and he became the first
Speaker 1: king of Athens. So I think there's a huge linkage
Speaker 1: right there between the two of them and this god
Speaker 1: of the forge, Hyphestus. His daughter is named Techne, and
Speaker 1: just like you were saying about the outer knowledge, you
Speaker 1: have that idea of Techne being the ability to create
Speaker 1: technology or outer wisdom.
Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting because the daughter who is right here,
Speaker 4: so she is the daughter, she is the Dakini expression
Speaker 4: of the greater mother. This is how it's understood in Shruvigia.
Speaker 4: So she is the full expression you could say of
Speaker 4: Hode or Mercury. That is, she's not androgynists, but she.
Speaker 6: Has a solitary hero. She's an echa of Europe.
Speaker 4: And like something Mario said that was very interesting was
Speaker 4: the feat was you can see she's standing on the foot,
Speaker 4: and so that would maybe perhaps.
Speaker 6: Match her to nets Ok.
Speaker 4: But then you could also say, if you're doing a
Speaker 4: special kind of visualization where you kind of dance with
Speaker 4: the dikini, then those legs become your legs, so she
Speaker 4: can also stand on Hode.
Speaker 6: It's kind of interesting. And she obviously she wields a
Speaker 6: bow and arrow, and her arrow is a five tip.
Speaker 4: It's often a lotus, but sometimes it's a marshmallow flower,
Speaker 4: or it could be a.
Speaker 6: Wild rose as well. And she also holds a god.
Speaker 4: The goat is especially interesting because that's also associated with
Speaker 4: Hode and also giverra, so she it's kind of like
Speaker 4: and it's an elephant's gode, so like her, you could
Speaker 4: say her brother Ganapati, but it also clears the dragon.
Speaker 4: But unlike her brother, she actually doesn't clear Katsuo the
Speaker 4: Smoky Tale. She actually stands on the the it's called
Speaker 4: the demons the Mara of Desire. But there's a kind
Speaker 4: of other way you can understand it, where she's standing
Speaker 4: on a rahu, so the dragon who eclipses the moon.
Speaker 4: She could also say that it's the inherent connection that
Speaker 4: code and Yesode or mercury and the moon have because
Speaker 4: those have an inherent sort of connection of rectification of
Speaker 4: the paths, like it happens at Yusodes, So there's something
Speaker 4: really interesting there. But she doesn't just stay at the moon.
Speaker 4: She actually sort of goes up. And her name is
Speaker 4: Kura Kula, so you can hear there's like a double k.
Speaker 4: And there's also an interesting cabalistic association with her, with
Speaker 4: her name in Tibetan which is Regemma, which is love
Speaker 4: as the cause of knowledge. Well, there's also the twenty
Speaker 4: second path on the cobalistic tree, which is geburrah to
Speaker 4: tippery that is also associated with lamed meme delette, which
Speaker 4: means love is the cause of knowledge.
Speaker 6: That I find that very interesting myself.
Speaker 4: And so you have this kind of daughter who's dancing
Speaker 4: in the heatless that's how it's described, and she kind
Speaker 4: of rectifies then sun with her arrow, which is set
Speaker 4: to treat all poisons. But then you can also understand
Speaker 4: this in a secret way where she is the rectification
Speaker 4: of quicksilver. So I know this was a little bit
Speaker 4: back when you guys first started, but that's what her
Speaker 4: primary function is. Intibt medical tantras is to rectify this
Speaker 4: naturally occurring quicksilver for medicinal use. So there's actually three
Speaker 4: distinct ways to purify mercury. One is the natural method,
Speaker 4: where you let the mercury drip through seven stages of Earth.
Speaker 4: Another method is the alchemical method with like an iambic
Speaker 4: and you sort of process the mercury in seven stages.
Speaker 4: And then the third way is a matric or an
Speaker 4: alchemical magical way where you recite Dorani sutras and different
Speaker 4: spells and different visualizations oh for the mercury. And then
Speaker 4: which is also seven stages. And then there's a way
Speaker 4: that you can combine all three stages into one. So
Speaker 4: it is sort of I think Mario brought this up,
Speaker 4: this kind of rectification of the three. In the one,
Speaker 4: she's a very interesting and also corresponding idea in Christian Cabala.
Speaker 6: So in the green she has blue green eyes.
Speaker 4: This is really important because her eyes could be said
Speaker 4: to be a reflection of Hesse or Jupiter, because Hod,
Speaker 4: the heart of Hoad, is really the expression of Mercy greater.
Speaker 4: So it's like I think Nick was saying, it's like
Speaker 4: that the arrow shoots and it kind of like bounces
Speaker 4: off the ocean, because you have to think of the
Speaker 4: arrow as like a particle of light, almost like a flower,
Speaker 4: like a quicksilver flower, flower of.
Speaker 6: Quicksilver using out chemical terms.
Speaker 4: So it's sort of like a firework that explodes over
Speaker 4: the ocean, bounces back through and then moves up to
Speaker 4: treat like a zig zag. So you could also think of.
Speaker 6: It like that. I think that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 10: And then.
Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, I do.
Speaker 8: Have notes, uh, something I wanted to add just real
Speaker 8: quick with like you know, the heatless fire and fire
Speaker 8: and this and that. If I was to light a
Speaker 8: candle in this room and turn off all of lights
Speaker 8: and went to all the way to the other end,
Speaker 8: the light coming off of it wouldn't hurt. As soon
Speaker 8: as I get closer to it, that's it's gonna burn.
Speaker 8: So I mean, it really is kind of projective maybe
Speaker 8: if the heat anyway, m.
Speaker 1: I mean, just a general perspective, it looks like she's
Speaker 1: dancing in the patina of copper. You know, you've got
Speaker 1: all that orange and then she's got the green coming
Speaker 1: around her. It's it's really got that kind of middle
Speaker 1: ground of patina and copper still you know, right.
Speaker 4: Well there's Something interesting about that hedless is that she
Speaker 4: so the heat the fire around her is heatless. It's
Speaker 4: called pristine wisdom fire. And then she she stands upon
Speaker 4: the lotus, and then you see she has two dikinis
Speaker 4: at her feet, So if you will almost put her
Speaker 4: at your sead on the tree, you could think of
Speaker 4: it like that. So then there's coad and netsc beneath her,
Speaker 4: So she's rectifying the two paths beneath her oxidation.
Speaker 1: Oxidation could be said to be heatless fire.
Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and so quicksilver, obviously, as we said,
Speaker 4: oxidizes copper, So there is that element of the greening.
Speaker 6: Of copper that happens at nutsock, right.
Speaker 4: And then she's also wielding the emerald fire in her
Speaker 4: eyes if you think of it like having green eyes,
Speaker 4: but the fire is reflected in your eyes. But it's
Speaker 4: also an expression of the higher sphere of mercy or
Speaker 4: the ocean. It's like almost the reflection of the blue
Speaker 4: green ocean, and you're looking at it, you're perceiving it.
Speaker 6: And so she has the mind of the father. That's
Speaker 6: just really interesting to me.
Speaker 4: But she's also the rectification of the mother, because she's
Speaker 4: a virgin, So to bring up thing about virgo, I
Speaker 4: think that's also really interesting. Does even I think that's all?
Speaker 4: I think that's all?
Speaker 2: I am?
Speaker 6: Sorry?
Speaker 4: Sorry, Nick?
Speaker 12: This even I don't know?
Speaker 8: Is this even like kind of stretch but reminds me
Speaker 8: of empedically he is talking about aphrodity dancing as a
Speaker 8: flame in the back of our rival.
Speaker 6: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: Well, she's a daikini of love right. Oh, that's the
Speaker 4: other thing, magnetization. So she's a red Dakini in the
Speaker 4: Padma or Lotus family. Her primary function is magnetization. Now
Speaker 4: what does this mean? This means personal power. This means
Speaker 4: attracting things to you, attracting people to you. But it's
Speaker 4: not because it's Buddhist magic rather than like sorcery, or
Speaker 4: you could say it's Buddhist sorcery.
Speaker 6: Maybe is that the.
Speaker 4: Idea is it's desireless desire to go with like the
Speaker 4: idea of the heatless fire.
Speaker 6: It's like she she's love, but it's it's not the
Speaker 6: vessel of love.
Speaker 4: It's not the cleeper or the skanda of love, or
Speaker 4: even the marara the poison of love. It's actually the
Speaker 4: rectification of it because it's just luminous and empty. She's
Speaker 4: there and she's not there. She's the primordial truth kind
Speaker 4: of you could say, So I like dancing and sometimes
Speaker 4: you see her at the moon and sometimes you don't,
Speaker 4: but doesn't negate the fact that she is there. That's
Speaker 4: what sort of like the metaphor, right, like, the truth
Speaker 4: is the truth, regardless of we recognize it or not.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's dupe, you.
Speaker 12: Know, something something something with this.
Speaker 8: Now you were saying you think that I guess whatever
Speaker 8: that thing is that she's standing on that would be netsuck.
Speaker 12: Is that what you were saying before?
Speaker 6: I think no, I think it's.
Speaker 4: Your son, because she's standing on a moon disk. If
Speaker 4: you read the text that goes with the image, it's
Speaker 4: called the moon dist But there's other times where she
Speaker 4: can stand on a sun disc. And when she stands
Speaker 4: on the sun disk, actually her leg is standing on
Speaker 4: the other foot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I guess that Actually that actually works better
Speaker 8: with what I was thinking, because I just looking at
Speaker 8: this out again and going with the dancing and the
Speaker 8: way that she's bent.
Speaker 12: You know, this is a stretch.
Speaker 8: Thinking about the hyloid canal, and if she was on
Speaker 8: top of the lens, that would determine which way, which
Speaker 8: way the light's gonna go. You know, you're gonna be
Speaker 8: sucking it in, you know, I don't know, I could
Speaker 8: see like switching a polarity in a sense.
Speaker 4: Well that's what it is, right, because it's like, it's
Speaker 4: interesting because you can say that the daughter is like
Speaker 4: the fifth, like there's the it's yadevab. But then if
Speaker 4: you add the dragon in, because if you're saying that
Speaker 4: hode is tripartite, there's three expressions.
Speaker 6: But she also stands on rahu, there's two expressions right there.
Speaker 8: Right, she stood on both legs, she'd be straight, and
Speaker 8: now she's on one and she's curved. So like it,
Speaker 8: I would see that as the hyloid canal being you know,
Speaker 8: extended all the way and the pupil being bigger. And
Speaker 8: then when she's bent, it's because it's pulled back and
Speaker 8: the pupils.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I agree with that.
Speaker 12: You know, maybe the arrow was even showing the tension
Speaker 12: of pulling up, pushing to I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, pulling, pulling, because you're calling that's one of
Speaker 4: her powers.
Speaker 6: I guess you could say it's the calling of names
Speaker 6: or the naming of things. So the arrow is like
Speaker 6: the light or the color.
Speaker 4: You could say the name of the color or the
Speaker 4: name of the word that sort of names the things
Speaker 4: that we see. So I definitely think that there is
Speaker 4: like a relationship between like perception and the icon.
Speaker 1: Well, that does sort of the heatless fire because there's
Speaker 1: no way to stop it. There's no way to stop
Speaker 1: any of the oxidation process. So as you're as you're
Speaker 1: looking at it, there's no way of preventing it. There's
Speaker 1: you know, you're not the one doing it. It's always happening,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not something that can be stopped.
Speaker 4: Well, in Buddhist ontology, we would say that desire is
Speaker 4: cause of the kind of negative aggregation of heat, so
Speaker 4: she is desireless desire. It kind of rectifies that paradox.
Speaker 4: That's how we would describe it. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: people ought to believe that, but that is how we
Speaker 4: would describe it. Is that she the oxygen day oxidization
Speaker 4: is happening. But because she is literally flux like an
Speaker 4: aon in flux, she's dancing. She it doesn't matter because
Speaker 4: we're not grasping. We're not like planet like the planetary
Speaker 4: deities are the grass, the graspers, So we don't grasp
Speaker 4: for we're not supposed to anyway. Of course, we obviously do,
Speaker 4: but when we do that, we create aggregation like her brother,
Speaker 4: like he creates the pass or the tunnels.
Speaker 6: You could even say between the stears. But she kind
Speaker 6: of lets that go. Everything's kind of like free. You're
Speaker 6: like kind of like okay, I'm not attached to it,
Speaker 6: like I can.
Speaker 4: Let it go like it's okay because it's like love.
Speaker 4: That's the whole idea is that she rectifies it through love.
Speaker 9: Yeah, dude, this is beautiful man, and I love everything
Speaker 9: you're sharing. And it just reminds me of some of
Speaker 9: the symbolism related to Sagittarius, right, because he is the archer.
Speaker 9: But what I've heard, like with keyudo, which is like
Speaker 9: a martial art of archery in Japan, that the whole
Speaker 9: entire thing is that the hardest part to master is
Speaker 9: actually letting go of the arrow, and that you're not
Speaker 9: trying to hit the target, you allow the target to
Speaker 9: be hit. So it just kind of reminds me of
Speaker 9: some of what you're talking about with desire, right, not desiring,
Speaker 9: And then that also kind of reminds me too a
Speaker 9: little bit this heatless fire thing of Sagittarius too, because Sagittarius,
Speaker 9: if I'm not mistaken, is like the mutable fire sign,
Speaker 9: and so if there ever is a sign that is
Speaker 9: like more symbolic of heatless fire, I think you can
Speaker 9: kind of maybe say that Sagittarius is versus the other
Speaker 9: fire signs. So just a few observations here.
Speaker 1: It would be the ultimate flow state.
Speaker 10: And looking at the outline of her encapsulation, it has
Speaker 10: a kind of abstract face, with her head being a
Speaker 10: kind of elongated third eye and her robes being her eyes,
Speaker 10: and the robes very much remind me of snakes.
Speaker 6: Well, she's wearing thirteen Nagas.
Speaker 13: Let me just say that she's wearing okay, so they
Speaker 13: are okay, Yeah, she wears the the no, don't be sorry,
Speaker 13: she wears the thirteen Naga Kings, So the kings of
Speaker 13: the what it's the sort of the supernal ocean, or not,
Speaker 13: excuse me, the Blood Ocean, the Kings of the Blood Ocean.
Speaker 6: She's wearing that as her bridal jewelry.
Speaker 10: So they are snakes, and they kind of look like
Speaker 10: eyes if you are looking at abstractly. I was gonna
Speaker 10: say with Ganesha too, he like mercury is everywhere right
Speaker 10: like his there's this story with him. He and Vishnu
Speaker 10: are competing to see who can travel the world fastest,
Speaker 10: and Vishnu is very fast and uh uh Ganesh has
Speaker 10: a rat to roll on. But everywhere he goes Mercury
Speaker 10: slash Ganesh is there.
Speaker 4: Well, there's something interesting right like because is like he's
Speaker 4: the He's like the production of synthesis, Like he's like
Speaker 4: the product of what happens when the mother is left
Speaker 4: to her own devices. So in a way, he's incomplete,
Speaker 4: whereas Vishnu is the worldly hero in like how Nick said,
Speaker 4: like the hero's journey.
Speaker 6: Vishnu can take off, he can.
Speaker 4: Fly on his garuda and travel the whole tree and
Speaker 4: go up and become the what's called the lion king.
Speaker 4: We talked about this when we did Leo. It is
Speaker 4: like norm Simha. And then what happens. He eats heaven
Speaker 4: because his desire grows, he starts to eat all the
Speaker 4: people in the palace us.
Speaker 6: Whereas this is a this is more Buddhist.
Speaker 4: So Ghanapati is more of like a lesser figure, but
Speaker 4: he's often included in images with her because they share
Speaker 4: this like more paronic or more Indian connection, but they're
Speaker 4: also in the same Buddha family, this lotus family.
Speaker 6: So he's really a.
Speaker 4: Subordinated deity in Buddhism to her, where she is like
Speaker 4: a complete Buddha. But he he, he's an expression of
Speaker 4: a Buddha. He's like a form of Buddha can take.
Speaker 6: That's how thought of. I know that's kind of weird,
Speaker 6: but it is.
Speaker 4: That's more how it's so she's more of the higher expression,
Speaker 4: just like she stands on ketu or not kato excuse me, rahu,
Speaker 4: and he stands on ketu, which is.
Speaker 6: Kind of the lesser expression of the dragon or the
Speaker 6: lesser power, you could.
Speaker 4: Say, because she's able to fully his His whole desire is,
Speaker 4: at least in Buddhism, is that the dragon wants to
Speaker 4: climb back up. It's like he's he feels unfairly.
Speaker 6: Knocked back down. He feels like the.
Speaker 4: Middle tier deities haven't like given him a fair shot
Speaker 4: at ejection from the QB. But in Buddhism, he's it's saying,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, okay, team dragon, like let's go, let's move up,
Speaker 4: like let's do the upward lightning strike and the downward
Speaker 4: lightning strike, like both of those things, are.
Speaker 9: You So another observation here, man, I mean this is
Speaker 9: pretty loaded. I really like looking at this. But so
Speaker 9: sagittarius corresponds with the thighs, and thigh symbolism is closely
Speaker 9: related to leg symbolism. But the femur is like the
Speaker 9: largest bone, strongest bone we have in our body, and
Speaker 9: so it does have like a lot of significance to it.
Speaker 9: And then I'm just kind of noticing a few things
Speaker 9: about her thigh. I don't know if her right foot
Speaker 9: is intended to kind of like bring our attention to
Speaker 9: her thigh with the leg that she's standing on. And
Speaker 9: then just the fact too that like the breath of
Speaker 9: the figure she's standing on is like going towards the
Speaker 9: thigh as well, I think is kind of interesting. It
Speaker 9: just seems like there is like some attention kind of
Speaker 9: being drawn towards that area. So I just had to
Speaker 9: mention that just briefly.
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely, I mean that's why her foot is protecting
Speaker 4: her Yoni right, Like it is the sort of idea
Speaker 4: that it's up to her.
Speaker 6: It's just it's totally her choice, Like her will, her choice,
Speaker 6: no access. Yuess, this is what I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Say, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: And then there's also.
Speaker 4: Something interesting about Ghana Patti as we call him, is
Speaker 4: that he can be depicted as a bachelor deity, but
Speaker 4: in Buddhism, when he's a contract.
Speaker 6: Deity, he's actually has a he's lithopae like that as well.
Speaker 4: He has a huge erection, say, and he is depicted
Speaker 4: with his two wives, So there's something also interesting there,
Speaker 4: like he can he can be like chased, or he
Speaker 4: can be very.
Speaker 6: Sexual, very contrict sexual.
Speaker 1: What I like to do, what I like to do
Speaker 1: with the images that you show is to kind of
Speaker 1: let my eyes blur a little bit and see if
Speaker 1: there are any other kind of esoteric images. And in
Speaker 1: this case, what I see is the nagas that she's
Speaker 1: wearing kind of form these two eyes, and below that,
Speaker 1: below what she's standing on is this kind of lotus mouth,
Speaker 1: and then the two dahities below her kind of start
Speaker 1: to make a kind of DNA spiral just from the
Speaker 1: contrast to the colors. And if you if you think
Speaker 1: about her third eye that would be right in the
Speaker 1: yoni right there, that she's that she's covering and sort
Speaker 1: of like the crown chakra above that would be the
Speaker 1: the fire above that. Do you kind of see what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at?
Speaker 4: Absolutely well, as you know, Haveless, we don't use the
Speaker 4: seven system in TNTRA.
Speaker 6: We use five. But so you're right in that that
Speaker 6: her where her third eye would be, where would be
Speaker 6: the crown chakra in the threaten system.
Speaker 4: But it's not because as I was saying when Lisa
Speaker 4: brought up the thing about the nerve, like how quicksilver
Speaker 4: treats nerve diseases or nerve pain.
Speaker 6: So it also causes nerve damage.
Speaker 4: But interesting, but it because of the way that the
Speaker 4: I guess you could say the lingam or the penis
Speaker 4: is connected. There's the green light that's not the tip
Speaker 4: that's it's considered to be its own chakra. So what
Speaker 4: you do in visualization is you you take the green
Speaker 4: light and you move it up all the way up,
Speaker 4: so there's an idea that you move it to your
Speaker 4: throat and then you can move it to your upper
Speaker 4: So when you do this emerald light, that is what
Speaker 4: her thing is. It's it's like it's this purified mercury
Speaker 4: is really what it is. Or purified emerald. So it's
Speaker 4: like it's like a philosopher's stone kind of like it's
Speaker 4: like it doesn't have any aggregation, doesn't have any lust,
Speaker 4: it doesn't have any desire.
Speaker 6: It's totally gone.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's just like love in this empty
Speaker 4: which is luminous and massless way, it just like exists.
Speaker 6: It's just like ephemeral. It's like pink.
Speaker 4: And we even spoke about this several times, and I
Speaker 4: know Tea's just spoken about this, but pink as a
Speaker 4: spectral color, and that's really her color is like pink.
Speaker 4: It's like a color that exists and doesn't exist. Our
Speaker 4: mind kind of projects it onto a crystal matrix.
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the
Speaker 1: type of meditation that would get you over the abyss,
Speaker 1: Like it's not something you can form, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not something you can you know, push your way into it.
Speaker 1: If she's the one kind of blo balking the third
Speaker 1: eye from having any access to force, it would have
Speaker 1: to be on her terms or in that sort of
Speaker 1: heatless fire.
Speaker 8: This is where I get into where I think you
Speaker 8: need the male and female to work hand in hand
Speaker 8: right make things happen.
Speaker 9: That pink reminds me of Mauv and Kenneth Grant, you know,
Speaker 9: wrote about going beyond the Mav Zone, and that's like
Speaker 9: a whole entire thing. I have not read that book,
Speaker 9: but it kind of looks similar to MAV a little
Speaker 9: bit too.
Speaker 4: Well, there is there is that idea, right like when
Speaker 4: it's that color, that mauve, like that darker purple color,
Speaker 4: that's a different expression of the female power or the force.
Speaker 4: Like you brought up forest headless. Well, the female Dikinis
Speaker 4: are the force of the Buddhas. They are they are
Speaker 4: like the kind of expression of you could say eminence
Speaker 4: in the world. That's that's not a perfect way to
Speaker 4: describe it, but that's one way to describe. It's like
Speaker 4: the breath flowing outwards and then it takes expression in light.
Speaker 6: So they so she isn't blocking she do is a
Speaker 6: you could say that she is existence appearance.
Speaker 4: She's what appears in front of us, just like I said,
Speaker 4: she's dancing at the moon. But what is also at
Speaker 4: ya seaud you sad is also the threshold to death.
Speaker 4: It's one of them because there's also access from differ
Speaker 4: but you can also access it through death. So it
Speaker 4: is crossing the abyss in a way, but it's it's
Speaker 4: doing it without desire.
Speaker 6: It's kind of you've.
Speaker 4: Traveled up already and then you're coming back down and
Speaker 4: you're saying, Okay, it's actually here, and I'm able to
Speaker 4: access that.
Speaker 6: At any time, and I will walk through. When I
Speaker 6: walk through.
Speaker 4: Instead of graspment, you're kind of letting it go, Like
Speaker 4: Nick has talked about this, like when you go to
Speaker 4: have magical.
Speaker 6: Experiences, you kind of just let it flow. That's what
Speaker 6: her whole idea is. She's dancing, she's flexible.
Speaker 12: As some would say, you can't lost the results.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, there you go.
Speaker 5: When I find may interject, I think this image perfectly
Speaker 5: describes mercury. And the reason that I believe that is
Speaker 5: because so when you first find mercury, you find it
Speaker 5: in cinemar or vermillion or whatever, and it's red inside
Speaker 5: is mercury now. And I don't know if you said
Speaker 5: this already, agent, but the only I guess element that
Speaker 5: helps to separate all of the impurities away from gold,
Speaker 5: or the way that you get pure gold is through
Speaker 5: distilling it with mercury. And so when you look at
Speaker 5: this image. You know that mercury is inside and she's
Speaker 5: sitting on top of a lotus, right, is that what
Speaker 5: you said? And lotus is known to follow the sun
Speaker 5: or to open with the sun, almost illuminating what is
Speaker 5: inside with the sun. And so you were talking about
Speaker 5: how she identifies and names things. She's giving illumination to
Speaker 5: what is and she's kind of uncovering or shining a
Speaker 5: light onto that because of the mercury that has helped
Speaker 5: to distill, that has helped to distill the pure gold.
Speaker 5: And I think gold in Buddhism represents the sun, doesn't it?
Speaker 5: Or am I wrong?
Speaker 6: No, You're you're right.
Speaker 4: Because there's a secret meaning of red is that red
Speaker 4: actually transformed in Tntra into gold rather than rather than
Speaker 4: at rubido into cicernaitis. Robbie and I actually spoke about
Speaker 4: this too, is that there's a the order of transformations
Speaker 4: is different, a little different in Tontra or the meanings
Speaker 4: that the little more articulated differently, not necessarily different, as
Speaker 4: in the meaning is different, but I think that the
Speaker 4: maybe the process is slightly different.
Speaker 5: Gotcha, okay, But I thought that was.
Speaker 4: Really beautiful that you said that Lisa, so thank you
Speaker 4: so much, and I agree with you. I think she
Speaker 4: perfectly embodies from a secret knowledge perspective, because that's what
Speaker 4: she is, the goddess of secret knowledge, rather than than
Speaker 4: a Patti, who is the god of, like I said,
Speaker 4: exterior knowledge, or maybe even exterior wisdom. Because though the
Speaker 4: female concerts are really wisdom. So that's also something interesting
Speaker 4: about Ganesh that he can embody a kind of superficial wisdom,
Speaker 4: like also the superficial wisdom at Tifferate. Sometimes that can
Speaker 4: be institutional knowledge, institutional wisdom. Institutional science is very tipperatic,
Speaker 4: so that is, but it's super it's kind of like
Speaker 4: it's shallow in a way. It's not inherently shallow, but
Speaker 4: the way the public perceives that knowledge is shallow, not
Speaker 4: understanding it fully.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you've also got the ideas of Gemini
Speaker 1: perfectly encompass there too. You've got sort of the elevated Gemini,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the lower Gemini represented in the Tikinis.
Speaker 1: And then the figures on top of her head.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not they're not above her. Like in Buddhism
Speaker 4: we would say that the figures above her are the
Speaker 4: hot are a different expression in a world of formlessness.
Speaker 4: So she is formless, but she's also existence appearance, meaning
Speaker 4: just like Lisa said, like the sun's rays, like what
Speaker 4: you see in the world, Maha maya, it's like the
Speaker 4: it's just the light illuminating the planets and the stars.
Speaker 6: It's just the illumination of the garden or the carnal ground.
Speaker 4: So that's that's what it is. But she's also rectifying
Speaker 4: the sun. He's also there, as you can see in
Speaker 4: the upward image. That's a that's a called havazra. So
Speaker 4: it's a couple in in coitus. So her name, I'll
Speaker 4: just get it because we're looking on it. But her
Speaker 4: name is she without fixed self. And his means diamond,
Speaker 4: thunder breath or the Adamantine breath, so he when they're
Speaker 4: in union, it is his thought that gives expression that
Speaker 4: she then takes form in the world as a dikini.
Speaker 4: But it's not really it's not that they're distinct, is
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That she's just an expression of that,
Speaker 4: but in herself, she's also the fullness.
Speaker 5: That perfectly describes consumption, because when you think of the
Speaker 5: shape of sperm cell, it's almost time in light, and
Speaker 5: when you think of an o site or an ovum,
Speaker 5: it is formless, so to speak, and it doesn't begin
Speaker 5: to take form until the diamond has penetrated into the
Speaker 5: ovum itself. And granted they color coat this stuff, but
Speaker 5: at the moment of entry of the actual sermatozoa into
Speaker 5: the ovum, you have about six thousand, six hundred thousand
Speaker 5: zinc ions explode, and so you almost have a glow
Speaker 5: around it, and it's like a zinc it's like a
Speaker 5: zinc bomb or something, but it has that green glow.
Speaker 5: And I know that they put it under a bioluminescence,
Speaker 5: but that's the color they chose.
Speaker 1: Calcium reaction, do what, It's the zinc calcium reaction.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but it has to do with zinc mainly
Speaker 5: because of the amount of zinc ions packed in within
Speaker 5: the zone of pellucida of the ovum, and.
Speaker 1: Zinc would be the metal of Jupiter or you know,
Speaker 1: basically the father of mercury. And you know, gestation requires
Speaker 1: zero concentration, it requires absolutely no conscious effort on the
Speaker 1: part of the mother other than to feed herself and
Speaker 1: you know everything else. It's it's perfectly sort of like
Speaker 1: it does it all on its own, you know, no
Speaker 1: desire necessary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you do have a lot of shutting
Speaker 5: down of a lot of physiological processes by the fetus
Speaker 5: to quiet the mother so that she doesn't reject the
Speaker 5: fetus because he is half he or she is half
Speaker 5: foreign to her. So that's I mean, yeah, I mean much.
Speaker 3: Great stuff. Jen, Dude, that was awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you guys, and thank you Lisa, And I
Speaker 4: just want to end on that. I know that Lisa's
Speaker 4: talked about like a forty nine day cycle for just station.
Speaker 6: And also there's also.
Speaker 4: An idea maybe of her as Perth and the genesis maybe,
Speaker 4: or the idea of like your sort of ancestral eggs,
Speaker 4: your ancestral ovums, like she like the matrilineal.
Speaker 6: The mRNA you could even say, and that that's what
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 4: I could see that too, And I think that there's
Speaker 4: room in Tantra for all of the expressions of like interpretation.
Speaker 6: So thank you guys.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a really interesting fun fact that I
Speaker 5: think sometimes people don't realize. So like, for instance, the
Speaker 5: ovums that that I would carry were first generated or
Speaker 5: synthesized in my great grandmother right and then passed on
Speaker 5: and so you carry their at least females carry the
Speaker 5: end ancestral lineage of their grandmother's ovums as they were
Speaker 5: developed and so forth. And then yes, it is a
Speaker 5: mitochondrial DNA that is only passed maternally to all you know,
Speaker 5: obviously male and female, but it's it's a natural line.
Speaker 4: Also interesting to note that we just passed Epiphany and
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalene is often celebrated in Epiphany with the production
Speaker 4: of the red eggs. So also something very interesting about
Speaker 4: that and like what we're talking about in ovum and
Speaker 4: like a daughter and red.
Speaker 5: And yes, it's interesting because Nick and I have kind
Speaker 5: of done some deep dives on that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what I find interesting Homily thirty three
Speaker 8: is what determined she was a prostitute.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 12: Uh TJ. These are your slides. I know you only
Speaker 12: had two of them. I don't know if you wanted
Speaker 12: to get it on these now of course let's getting
Speaker 12: too late.
Speaker 14: Well yeah, I even just I want to add with
Speaker 14: like the sperm entering the egg too, because I've had
Speaker 14: very spiritual experiences where that's like happened to me, where
Speaker 14: like I am the sperm and I have to navigate
Speaker 14: through the body into the and find the egg.
Speaker 7: And yeah, it's not the first sperm that gets to
Speaker 7: the egg.
Speaker 14: And you once you get to the egg, you have
Speaker 14: to vibrationally align with that egg. You almost need a
Speaker 14: pass code as a messenger as well. So that's that's
Speaker 14: even in like different kind of spiritual experiences, you get
Speaker 14: to the door of the castle and they're like, what
Speaker 14: does the magic word to get through? Or whatever it's
Speaker 14: it was that's the best way I can describe what
Speaker 14: my experiences were like.
Speaker 7: So I think that just adds to that and fits
Speaker 7: with the messenger of it all.
Speaker 12: Ask you about the way to swallows or some shit
Speaker 12: when you get to.
Speaker 10: Me.
Speaker 5: That that is true in that the sperm and the
Speaker 5: egg are basically calling to each other once the sperm
Speaker 5: enters into the vaginal canal. And it's almost like cicadas
Speaker 5: when they call to each other or mating mating birds
Speaker 5: between each other. They identify each other's vibration within the
Speaker 5: song or whatever, and they're calling to each other. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's and that's true. It's not the fastest, it's not
Speaker 5: the longest. It's which one vibrates the best with the
Speaker 5: actual ocum.
Speaker 1: Well with the with the Greek mythology, they say that
Speaker 1: the very first born was this finest Protogonos, who erupts
Speaker 1: out of the orphic egg, which is the egg with
Speaker 1: the snake wrapped around it. So you've got that egg
Speaker 1: and sperm symbolism right there. And also Fahanes was this
Speaker 1: burst of light going back to that zinc calcium reaction.
Speaker 1: And also, uh, it looks so like the original uh
Speaker 1: version of Fainest looks so much like that magician card
Speaker 1: from from the thought Tarrow that it's really hard not
Speaker 1: to draw the linkage between faunas and mercury as well.
Speaker 1: And also that would really put a lot of weight
Speaker 1: behind mercury as being the central figure of everything because
Speaker 1: of the fact that Protogonos means first born and this
Speaker 1: is like the first born, and then from that everything
Speaker 1: is burst out. So you've also got the idea of
Speaker 1: the big bang sort of packed into this mercury symbolism.
Speaker 14: Here we go, i'd back to here, and I know
Speaker 14: we've been seeing how like the there, we've been associating
Speaker 14: the color green, and you know, like there's also this
Speaker 14: side of the orange. One thing that's kind of cool
Speaker 14: is that was a chef at a restaurant called the
Speaker 14: Green Door, and my dish guy's name was Ganesh. So
Speaker 14: I just have this included. That there is a pat
Speaker 14: tone color called Hermes Orange. There is a very famous
Speaker 14: purse by the company Hermes in Paris, Hermes Paris pair
Speaker 14: twins Gemini and the orange bag. Mercury oxide is like
Speaker 14: you can find it in batteries, you can find it
Speaker 14: in makeup and all these kinds of things. And it
Speaker 14: is a one way that we do get this orange
Speaker 14: dye is with the mercury and oxygen.
Speaker 7: Hgo, I'm pretty sure it is.
Speaker 14: And that in Gemini season happens in May May backwards
Speaker 14: as a yam. Yams are orange and it's may you may,
Speaker 14: you may, like you have permission to like I think
Speaker 14: that that fits a lot with mercury, that you have
Speaker 14: permission to enter the other realms, you have permission to
Speaker 14: pass through the doorway. So I just have that that
Speaker 14: I do think that there is this undertone of or
Speaker 14: not undertone, but just like this this orange that does exist.
Speaker 14: And if we're talking about it as like a phallic sense,
Speaker 14: the orange chakra is the sacral chakra, so that just
Speaker 14: adds to that as well, and that's the creation, the creativity.
Speaker 6: All of that tumeric, just like an ash nade of tumarc.
Speaker 12: Excellent, Yeah, great, weaves man, and then uh we got
Speaker 12: one more here.
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, it's just like some jamatria. There's two that
Speaker 14: I don't include here on that would be on the
Speaker 14: left that Jin mentioned, which was Princess and Daughters also
Speaker 14: matches with mercury in the English ordinal, and then on
Speaker 14: the left I have there with that six one eight
Speaker 14: is very relevant.
Speaker 7: Because in the Golden ratio.
Speaker 14: The first three decimals, the first three numbers, it's one
Speaker 14: point six, one eight, so on, so forth. One oh
Speaker 14: three is also a prime number. It's the twenty seventh
Speaker 14: prime number. So you have twenty seven twenty seven club.
Speaker 14: You also have it's a very ritualistic number, the number
Speaker 14: twenty seven in the police code, like there's ten four
Speaker 14: they have like we got a ten twenty two, blah
Speaker 14: blah blah.
Speaker 3: They have all that.
Speaker 14: Ten three means like shut up, which I think is
Speaker 14: kind of clever with like a mercury kind of thing,
Speaker 14: because like I don't know, you meet a Gemini, they
Speaker 14: don't ever shut up.
Speaker 7: That's like kind of what they're known for.
Speaker 14: It's like or like the mercury ruled kind of people
Speaker 14: like seem to talk a lot kind of thing. So
Speaker 14: like the if if over the radio you call it
Speaker 14: ten three, it means like, keep the line clear because
Speaker 14: important information is about to come through. We have September,
Speaker 14: which Virgo seasons in September, you know, Like the trickster
Speaker 14: kind of thing fits a BS. Matching with that is
Speaker 14: very interesting lessons sorcery, you know, leprechaun, because now we
Speaker 14: have the Irish, then we have the green and the orange,
Speaker 14: you know, and then we have anointing, enlightenment, virtual counting.
Speaker 3: The proof that.
Speaker 7: I think it just fits with that kind of thing
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 14: What they also wanted to point out too, is that
Speaker 14: the element the two letters for the element mercury or HG,
Speaker 14: And if you're to like kind of decode that quickly,
Speaker 14: H is the eighth letter, G is the seventh letter.
Speaker 14: So if you were to take that into the numbers,
Speaker 14: that would be mastering your reality to create inner harmony,
Speaker 14: mastering your reality the eight and the H to create
Speaker 14: the inner the G and the seven and then eight
Speaker 14: plus seven equals fifteen to one plus five equals six
Speaker 14: the harmony, so.
Speaker 7: It's that's cool that that exists there.
Speaker 14: Mercury matches with astrology, the drive there was kind of
Speaker 14: a lot. I think like Uber was like it's not
Speaker 14: mentioned there. I think Uber was showing up in the matches.
Speaker 7: Humpty, like Humpty Dumpty, but Humpty matched it as one
Speaker 7: O three as well. I just didn't have it there.
Speaker 14: And then the six to six, so the agreipa key
Speaker 14: as well. In the middle that's just your Latin or
Speaker 14: your Jewish cipher. But the six' six the sixty sixth
Speaker 14: prime is three hundred and, seventeen so mercury equals three
Speaker 14: hundred and seventeen when you apply The fibonacci cipher to.
Speaker 14: It but then that's very interesting Because saturn in the
Speaker 14: prime cipher equals three three, seventeen and three seventeen is
Speaker 14: one of my favorite codes because you flip it, around
Speaker 14: you flip it upside, down you get the word Lie
Speaker 14: lie upside, down and it's the sixty six. Prime so
Speaker 14: it's like what lies upside? Down butterflies.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 14: BATS i don't know what else lies upside, down but
Speaker 14: those two specific things lie upside down humans humans and
Speaker 14: then even Bald eagle matching with that Because i've often,
Speaker 14: said LIKE i don't know if it's, stretch But, america
Speaker 14: you got That mayor in, There, mrkera like it's kind
Speaker 14: of in there is like This mercury real kind of
Speaker 14: thing as.
Speaker 12: Well eagle by itself equals thirty, one which is.
Speaker 11: Weird well in The mason's call the star of Serious, Merca. America,
Speaker 11: yeah Like america exactly.
Speaker 5: Sounds Like, burkin which is like The burkin Her maze,
Speaker 5: bag the.
Speaker 12: Original oh there we.
Speaker 3: Go and then the fact that it's a bag.
Speaker 9: Too it reminds me of just, uh you, Know hermes
Speaker 9: being the messenger of the gods having a little satchel
Speaker 9: or a container with.
Speaker 3: Him, yeah to deliver.
Speaker 1: Things you're going to put a ba at the. End
Speaker 1: you Got, marcaba which is the.
Speaker 3: Idea, yeah there you, go, man that's a great.
Speaker 9: One i'll just mention real quick Regarding, saturn there is
Speaker 9: a relationship Between mercury And, saturn and so sometimes they're
Speaker 9: kind of considered to be almost like the two ends
Speaker 9: of a, SPECTRUM i, guess, right between the young and the,
Speaker 9: old and as we, Know saturn likes to pray on
Speaker 9: the young and and feed on the young and things like.
Speaker 3: That and so there's old.
Speaker 9: Alchemical illustrations where Basically saturn is cutting off the legs
Speaker 9: of mercury, basically and some authors have kind of likened
Speaker 9: that to how the older generations.
Speaker 3: Prey on the.
Speaker 9: Youth and you, know there's there's a lot kind of
Speaker 9: going on there al chemically, basically but it's like he's,
Speaker 9: stunting you, Know mercury's movement forward and, whatever Because saturnian
Speaker 9: figures don't want to get dethroned by the next.
Speaker 11: Generation so also With saturn in alchemy and paracelsis another
Speaker 11: they call, lead which is the metallic element Of. Saturn
Speaker 11: they call it black mercury into.
Speaker 3: Nice, yeah that's that's. Cool i've never heard that.
Speaker 11: Before, Yeah and then there was one more THING i
Speaker 11: wanted to bring. Up the tea or the tau was
Speaker 11: called the instant and of. DEATH a lot of people
Speaker 11: say That christ was crucified on a tea or a.
Speaker 11: Towel and it's also the emblem of The tyrannus or
Speaker 11: toth or tetuits or top Or hermes or The, buddha
Speaker 11: and it's called the Crux hermes in The Old, hebrew the,
Speaker 11: bastulon the Plus, gian The, Etruscan, coptic and the, punic
Speaker 11: and it was symbolized by the.
Speaker 3: X either or the plus makes perfect.
Speaker 9: Sense you got the plus sign at the bottom of
Speaker 9: The mercury glyphs that you have the crossroads some of
Speaker 9: the cross stuff that we're talking about. Earlier AND i
Speaker 9: know that there's other glyphs For mercury that basically include
Speaker 9: a cross pretty.
Speaker 3: Much so, yeah that totly lines.
Speaker 1: UP i got a weave for, You. Mario so you
Speaker 1: know the globus, cruciger, yeah spear, right that's the inversion
Speaker 1: of THE.
Speaker 3: Ak, yeah it's also the inversion of Like venus.
Speaker 4: Too.
Speaker 1: Well THE ak would be the idea of you, know
Speaker 1: this this sort Of hermes, energy and then the Globist
Speaker 1: cruciger would be kind of the antimony or the the
Speaker 1: kind of more lead like, energy and so you've got,
Speaker 1: yeah so they're just sort of reversals of one. Another
Speaker 1: and we were dancing Around saturn all, night but it's
Speaker 1: The hermes that goes across all boundaries and so this time. Angle,
Speaker 1: uh if If saturn is, time Then hermes would be
Speaker 1: the time. Traveler.
Speaker 3: NICE i like. IT i, mean that makes perfect, sense. Dude,
Speaker 3: actually for a lot of, REASONS.
Speaker 12: I was thinking about what you. Said go, Ahead, ethan you.
Speaker 10: KNOW i HAVE i have two THINGS i wanted to.
Speaker 10: SHARE i feel Like i've been foaming at the mouth
Speaker 10: because they encapsulate and depict so much of your presentation
Speaker 10: and what everyone has built. On the teacher aspect of
Speaker 10: The hermes is in, part of, course you, know as
Speaker 10: simple as fishing and canal building and so. Forth but
Speaker 10: one THING i find interesting is the relationship of eight
Speaker 10: as as used and depicted by the kind of intuitive
Speaker 10: teachers of the, planet or the at least the the
Speaker 10: divination practices that we, are that we still have the
Speaker 10: runes created By, odin who is a Total hermes, character in,
Speaker 10: part not not in. Total he brings the runes which
Speaker 10: are actually at first, sixteen which of course is two,
Speaker 10: eights and then twenty, four which and it's not only
Speaker 10: described as twenty, four it's described as three sets of
Speaker 10: eight twenty.
Speaker 6: Four and.
Speaker 10: The both of course is kind of associated with the
Speaker 10: originator or teacher of The, tarot and he's also called
Speaker 10: the god of the. Needers one of his names and
Speaker 10: that relates to the eight needers or the four pair
Speaker 10: really more kind of more specifically of masculine and feminine The,
Speaker 10: ogduad which are they're kind of these elemental. Aspects oh
Speaker 10: And odin has the eight legged horse, too who is
Speaker 10: His he stands on these control of these elements one
Speaker 10: could kind of relate, to and he can then go
Speaker 10: through these different dimensions and divinight possibly uh in kind
Speaker 10: of the story, Anyway and so The obduad is the
Speaker 10: eight elements of The egyptian kind of, cosmology which goes
Speaker 10: right to the Other eastern version Of hermes and both
Speaker 10: H fuz And nuwah who are depicted as entangled snake
Speaker 10: from their waist down masculine and feminine entities And fuzi
Speaker 10: uh is Uh he brings all these basic instructions to,
Speaker 10: humanity including fishing and hunting and so on and so,
Speaker 10: forth just Like, hermes and also brings the three and
Speaker 10: the eight in the form of the. Trigrams the eight
Speaker 10: trigrams made up by broken and unbroken lines three three
Speaker 10: unbroken and unbroken line which unbroken and broken really Reflects
Speaker 10: yin and yang, right is another kind of way for
Speaker 10: The easterners to Say yin And yang broken Being Yin
Speaker 10: yang being. Unbroken and so you have the eight elements
Speaker 10: in the E ching, reading which is the, divination which
Speaker 10: is maybe one of the oldest uh divination practices that
Speaker 10: are still widely, used and certainly the E ching they,
Speaker 10: say is one of the oldest books that are still widely.
Speaker 10: Read so there's these magnificent aspects of eight elements leading
Speaker 10: into intuition and uh one other, thing a separate thing
Speaker 10: which goes to the three uh tristm gristis and the
Speaker 10: three trinity relationship of the two pillars and the initiate in,
Speaker 10: between if you. Will there's one story of both being an,
Speaker 10: assistant which he's, well what's this.
Speaker 1: You're talking? About the two?
Speaker 10: Snakes?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 10: Fine and and so the the Uh hi assists mot
Speaker 10: in his in her judgment of the, dead and he
Speaker 10: assists everyone so many. Times and in one instance he
Speaker 10: Assists raw to obtain his, eye who kind of was
Speaker 10: who got sick of him and got embodied by his
Speaker 10: wife and they took off because they are over his
Speaker 10: temperament or temperamental frustration occasional occasional, bursts and he can't
Speaker 10: get her to come back with his, eye and of
Speaker 10: course he gets both to assist, him and both has
Speaker 10: to ask her to return to raw one thousand and
Speaker 10: seventy seven, times which is three degrees short of three three, sixties,
Speaker 10: which of course To hood he has mastery of the,
Speaker 10: three so it's. Complete and ten eighty is also one
Speaker 10: hundred and eight times ten and one hundred and, eight
Speaker 10: of course spiritually valuable and metaphysically, related but even it
Speaker 10: has some very neat mathematical attributes which might be you,
Speaker 10: know what was happening in that story as. Well so
Speaker 10: just the three sixt the three three sixties in that
Speaker 10: numbers is.
Speaker 1: Fascinating three times more times seven times, twelve one hundred and.
Speaker 14: Eight it's the degrees of a pentagram or, pentagon one
Speaker 14: hundred eight, degrees very.
Speaker 6: Angle it's also the prime number In, buddhism.
Speaker 10: And it's both being the master of the trist. Magistus
Speaker 10: the master of. Three one hundred and eight also depicts
Speaker 10: the trinity of, time the one for the, present the
Speaker 10: zero for the, past and the eight for the infinite
Speaker 10: potential of the.
Speaker 3: Future NICE i was just gonna, say.
Speaker 1: Good one point zero zero eight is the atomic weight of.
Speaker 3: Hydrogen, ah that's, interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: With all the stuff coming into form is one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight one thousand and, eight.
Speaker 9: RIGHT i was just going to say Regarding odin right
Speaker 9: getting the ruins as he was hanging from the world,
Speaker 9: tree you, know AND i this whole. Conversation i've written
Speaker 9: down tree having a relationship with, three WHICH i think
Speaker 9: is there's something to that, Basically and then even you,
Speaker 9: know it's been, SAID i think it was like A
Speaker 9: pythagoras say, it everything could be divisible by, three divided
Speaker 9: by three, beginning middle, end you know sort of thing or.
Speaker 9: Whatever so tree and three have like a correspondence to
Speaker 9: each other in my. Opinion and then we're talking about
Speaker 9: the serpent going up the tree and everything. Else and
Speaker 9: THEN i was reminded of this too With gnash holding the,
Speaker 9: axe and it's, like what is the axe used for
Speaker 9: you chop down a? Tree the tree is a symbol
Speaker 9: of the world, axis, right and SO i think there
Speaker 9: is a relationship with the axe the axis as. Well
Speaker 9: and then the world access being an.
Speaker 3: Axel.
Speaker 9: Right so there's all these sort of things swimming in my.
Speaker 9: Mind BUT i could talk to you guys. FOREVER i, mean,
Speaker 9: seriously this is like a really powerful crew AND i
Speaker 9: always learn a. Lot so thank you guys for.
Speaker 10: Sharing yeah you, guys crops and respect to. Everyone this
Speaker 10: is like a. CULT ai more THAN i could FROM.
Speaker 12: Ai great, Great, OH i love it is everybody? Good
Speaker 12: does anybody have anything else to? Say we can probably
Speaker 12: rapid up.
Speaker 4: Here THEN i just want to add one really quick.
Speaker 4: Thing is t said the ten plus. Three well that's
Speaker 4: really interesting because In, cabala the ten plus three of
Speaker 4: the thirteen that is the number of hearing the hearer
Speaker 4: of the. Perceiver so you were, saying like the police
Speaker 4: say that it's a shut up because you can't hear.
Speaker 4: Anything you can't perceive anything if you're, speaking, Right so that's.
Speaker 6: Really interesting in that number specifically.
Speaker 11: And getting into all that the whole idea of the divine,
Speaker 11: silence you, know is What hermes constantly talks. About and,
Speaker 11: also you, know before we, go the idea of her you,
Speaker 11: know taking all this you, know divine sacred information and
Speaker 11: hermetically sealing it into you, know so you also have
Speaker 11: that ideas of the hermetically ceiling you, know occulting information
Speaker 11: essentially nice.
Speaker 10: To build.
Speaker 5: On jins just really. Quickly WHAT t said about ten
Speaker 5: one zero. Three if you multiplied ten by, three you get.
Speaker 5: Thirty and that's When jesus performed all his, miracles the last,
Speaker 5: route the water to, wine the, lows all of. That
Speaker 5: that was when he was, thirty or that's what is, written.
Speaker 6: Because he comes into his full, understanding.
Speaker 5: Right, yes and then dies at thirty, three.
Speaker 8: Right SOMETHING i just wanted to add real, quick just
Speaker 8: weird stuff that popped into my. Head robbie was talking
Speaker 8: and just now and then we could wrap it. Up
Speaker 8: you know when you were talking about. IT i think
Speaker 8: it was a saturn and taking off his.
Speaker 12: Legs you.
Speaker 8: Know, AGAIN i have talked about how like When i'm
Speaker 8: messing with, magic at some point it's like things like starts,
Speaker 8: disappearing you, Know like at one POINT i, said like
Speaker 8: it does feel like energy is rising up my body
Speaker 8: and everything below it, disappears and it does at some
Speaker 8: point feel like my legs are gone AND i do go.
Speaker 8: Death and you're just talking about, silence so, RIGHT i
Speaker 8: MEAN i have experience all of those, THINGS i, think
Speaker 8: SO i just wanted to throw that in. There there
Speaker 8: was other things, too but it's it's Been, YEAH i
Speaker 8: have to.
Speaker 9: Mention the thirteenth card of the Major ocana is, death
Speaker 9: and in the early, days this is the only card
Speaker 9: that did not actually have a name printed on the,
Speaker 9: card because you didn't want to invoke death by saying
Speaker 9: its name, basically so there's a whole thing with silence
Speaker 9: with that, too so.
Speaker 8: Interesting, Way, well thank you. All this, was you, know
Speaker 8: better THAN i could have. Expected it was just as
Speaker 8: good as all the other. ONES i really appreciate. It,
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Speaker 8: Marx all the links are in the. Bottom and thank
Speaker 8: you for the, Guest. Mario like, again it's a. Pleasure
Speaker 8: it's always, great you, know learning with. You and look
Speaker 8: forward to doing much much more work with.
Speaker 3: You likewise, man oh.
Speaker 8: Yeah and that is the end of Another Recult Rejects
Speaker 8: and until the next, one everybody be well later