Speaker 1: Israel seems to have been successful in drawing the United
Speaker 1: States into war with Iran. What does it look like
Speaker 1: the day after the regime topples. We'll discuss with on
Speaker 1: investigative journalist Pearson Sharp, plus Congressman Eric Gurlson of Missouri
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Speaker 1: Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking
Speaker 1: the fever. Do you haven't watch this guy in television.
Speaker 2: It's like a machine.
Speaker 3: He's great, Matt Gates.
Speaker 1: President Trump has posted a threat to the Supreme Leader
Speaker 1: of Iran. We know exactly where the so called Supreme
Speaker 1: Leader is hiding. He's an easy target, but is safe there.
Speaker 1: We are not going to take him out kill, at
Speaker 1: least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot
Speaker 1: at civilians or American soldiers. Our patients is wearing thin.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter. What a
Speaker 1: formal ending to a death threat? I know Trump speak,
Speaker 1: and I can tell you what he's saying here, whether
Speaker 1: you like it or not agree or disagree. He's saying,
Speaker 1: dear Kome, we are going to bomb your nuclear sites.
Speaker 1: If you respond by massively killing civilians, we will execute you.
Speaker 1: If you just shoot some missiles at Israel that we
Speaker 1: know you can, we can mostly intercept. Then you get
Speaker 1: to keep your regime and keep your life. Here is
Speaker 1: the thing. With a post on social media like that,
Speaker 1: there is a good chance the US is in this war,
Speaker 1: something I hoped would not happen. We expect the bombing
Speaker 1: of Iran's nuclear facilities to happen with American planes and
Speaker 1: American materiel. Then here's what will happen. Israel will lavish
Speaker 1: praise on the US, and then Israel will blend the
Speaker 1: anti nuclearization missions and goals of the US with the
Speaker 1: regime change goals of Israel. As I told you last evening,
Speaker 1: this war isn't about Iran's nuclear weapons. For Israel, it
Speaker 1: is about one thing, regime change. Hear me. Now, this
Speaker 1: is not going to stop at some bombing campaigns around
Speaker 1: Iran's nuclear program. That's just the appetizer, not the entree.
Speaker 1: Israel is pursuing regime change in Iran. That is the
Speaker 1: true goal of this campaign, and things seem to have
Speaker 1: gone well past denuclearization when you're talking about assassinating a
Speaker 1: foreign leader. At this stage of the war, Israel has
Speaker 1: already killed off Iran's military leadership, They've aspired to kill
Speaker 1: off Komani, and they have established air superiority. At this pace,
Speaker 1: the war is probably going to end in regime change.
Speaker 1: Does America really want to be Israel's dance partner to
Speaker 1: this siren song again? Israel's bombing target package will expand,
Speaker 1: their sorties will increase. They will systemically kill off enough
Speaker 1: leadership in Iran to plunge that nation into civil war
Speaker 1: and chaos. They'll gasify Iran. War between Iran and Israel
Speaker 1: has entered its fifth day, with both sides exchanging missile
Speaker 1: and drone strikes. Iran has launched at least its ninth
Speaker 1: wave of missiles and drones into Israel, targeting cities including
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv, Hafa, Batyam, and others, all cities I've personally visited.
Speaker 1: Israel has responded with extensive air strikes and covert MOSAD
Speaker 1: left drone sabotage. Deep inside Iran. Israel has targeted nuclear,
Speaker 1: missile and military sites. These operations have killed Iran's newly
Speaker 1: appointed wartime Chief of Staff Ali Shadmani, and other military figures.
Speaker 1: Persian civilian casualties now exceed two hundred and twenty dead.
Speaker 1: In Israel, confirmed dead are north of twenty four with
Speaker 1: over one hundred wounded. These numbers will obviously rise exponentially. Sadly,
Speaker 1: Tarans expecting a mass evacuation. Over one hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: have fled the capital toward the northern regions amid widespread panic.
Speaker 1: Israel's air defenses Iron Dome and Arrow have intercepted most
Speaker 1: of the missiles coming out of Iran, but concerns do
Speaker 1: remain over intercept or supply. Iran has reportedly fired about
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty missiles, which is interesting because Iran
Speaker 1: had the goal of getting a thousand missiles in the sky,
Speaker 1: so they've obviously fallen short. The G seven issued a
Speaker 1: statement supporting Israel's right to self defense, condemning Iran as
Speaker 1: a source of instability, and urging broad de escalation, including
Speaker 1: in Gaza. President Trump didn't sign it. He left the
Speaker 1: G seven early. He called for a real end against
Speaker 1: Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Speaker 4: We're looking for better are what specifically is better than
Speaker 4: a ceasefire, what.
Speaker 5: Are you looking for here?
Speaker 4: And then a real end, not a ceasefire, and then
Speaker 4: there's something that will be pumpini yea or or giving
Speaker 4: up entirely?
Speaker 5: Is that okay too?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Weapons?
Speaker 1: Very similar? The core allegation made by Israel is that
Speaker 1: Iran was about to have a nuclear weapon. It mirrored
Speaker 1: almost exactly the false allegations made by bb Net and
Speaker 1: Yahoo regarding Iraq in two thousand and two.
Speaker 7: There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking and
Speaker 7: is working and is advancing towards the development of nuclear weapons,
Speaker 7: no question whatsoever, And there is no question that once
Speaker 7: he acquires it, history shifts immediately.
Speaker 1: There's no question that that was a fib. Director of
Speaker 1: National Intelligence Tolsey Gabbert have had a different assessment regarding
Speaker 1: Iron's new clear program.
Speaker 8: Here's Tulsi.
Speaker 9: The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building
Speaker 9: a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Kamani has not authorized
Speaker 9: the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in two thousand
Speaker 9: and three.
Speaker 1: Regardless of the initial basis for the attack, it's obviously
Speaker 1: clear now that this is all about regime change. Israel
Speaker 1: won't stop bombing Tehran until the government falls, they won't
Speaker 1: stop executing Iran's military and political leadership. They will plunge
Speaker 1: a country of ninety million people into chaos, sectarian violence
Speaker 1: and civil war. Chaos is already rampant in Iran. ATMs
Speaker 1: have stopped working and run on the banks has persisted,
Speaker 1: and panic is spreading. You can obviously tell that regime
Speaker 1: change is the goal when watching this Net and Yahoo
Speaker 1: interview with ABC's Jonathan carl And.
Speaker 10: I think it's a larger battle. It's a battle of
Speaker 10: civilization against barbarism. This regime is the cult of death.
Speaker 10: Don't mistake make any mistakes about it. And sometimes you know,
Speaker 10: the forces of civilization have to act before it's too late.
Speaker 10: We did, and we're going to remove those threats against
Speaker 10: our existence.
Speaker 1: The other so, are you going to target the Supreme Leader?
Speaker 10: Look, we're doing what we need to do. I'm not
Speaker 10: going to get into the details. And this anti Semitic,
Speaker 10: mad fanaticism of the Iranian Supreme Leader, he's like a
Speaker 10: modern Hitler. He just will not stop. I understand America first,
Speaker 10: I don't understand America dead. That's what these people want.
Speaker 10: They chant death to America. We're fighting against a regime
Speaker 10: that hates us, both that is trying to assassinate us,
Speaker 10: both that is trying to bring death and destruction throughout
Speaker 10: the Middle East and to the world. It's also bringing freedom,
Speaker 10: possibility of freedom to the people of Iran.
Speaker 1: When you call someone a modern day hitler, it is
Speaker 1: a permission structure to kill them. Today, as President Trump
Speaker 1: put out a statement about his current decision and not
Speaker 1: eliminator on Supreme Leader, Israel's ambassador to the US reacted
Speaker 1: to the President's statement live on CNN.
Speaker 11: Here's what he said. We know exactly where the so
Speaker 11: called Supreme Leader is hiding. He is an easy target,
Speaker 11: but is safe there. We are not going to take
Speaker 11: him out kill at least not for now. But we
Speaker 11: don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers. Our
Speaker 11: patients is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to
Speaker 11: this matter. So what do you make of that no
Speaker 11: regime change right now?
Speaker 12: Well, I think the Iranian people have to make a
Speaker 12: decision about regime change.
Speaker 2: It's their country, it's their government.
Speaker 8: They have to make the decision.
Speaker 1: What the ambassador just said there is deception. It was
Speaker 1: definitely different than what you heard from Netanyahu and that's
Speaker 1: who's calling the shots. If this were about the nuclear program,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister would have just said that, but you
Speaker 1: saw the reaction instead. Look at history. Initially, the Iraq
Speaker 1: Wars began when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. That invasion was
Speaker 1: repelled successfully but inevitably. Before the American presidency had even
Speaker 1: left the grasp of the Bush family, America was back
Speaker 1: in Iraq at war, seeking no less than regime change,
Speaker 1: and this Iran situation could likely follow a similar path.
Speaker 1: Some will argue that this is a good thing, after all.
Speaker 1: The argument is true that, however we confront Iran today,
Speaker 1: we do confront them without a nuclear weapon. But what
Speaker 1: is the plan for the day after? And haven't we
Speaker 1: learned enough from history to ask that question before toppling
Speaker 1: a country. Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. Did he
Speaker 1: want nuclear weapons? Probably? But he didn't have them or
Speaker 1: the capacity to make them. We dislodged him anyway, based
Speaker 1: on lies from the intelligence community, and it cost America
Speaker 1: three trillion dollars. And since we removed Saddam, Iraq hasn't
Speaker 1: been more than a camel hair away from civil war.
Speaker 1: So what does Iran look like after their government falls
Speaker 1: a year after joining US. Now investigative journalists for Oaan's
Speaker 1: The Sharp Report. Someone who has lived or spent time
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, who knows the region well Pierson,
Speaker 1: Sharp Pierson. So what happens the day after?
Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, or in this case, eight
Speaker 2: trillion dollar question. We could be leaning into another twenty
Speaker 2: year war in this case, and what for? We start
Speaker 2: these things with no plan on how to finish them.
Speaker 2: We end up holding the bag every single time Iraq, Afghani, Libya, Syria.
Speaker 2: None of this has ever turned out well. Give me
Speaker 2: a single example where we have gone in and institute
Speaker 2: of regime change for the better Germany World War two?
Speaker 2: Is that the only country you've ever invaded that turned
Speaker 2: out well afterwards? I mean, and that was after the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union felt This has never worked out for us ever.
Speaker 2: We don't end up getting democracy in any of these countries.
Speaker 2: We end up getting terrorists.
Speaker 1: And why is that? I mean, you have spent time
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. Why is this neo conservative fever
Speaker 1: dream that we're going to build democracies out of blood
Speaker 1: and sand and Arab militias of fallacy?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if building democracies was ever the goal.
Speaker 2: I think there might be something a lot darker, or
Speaker 2: you know, that just gives the conspiracy theorists all the
Speaker 2: credibility in the world, because all these countries we've gone into,
Speaker 2: none of them had loans with the IMF, and I
Speaker 2: think that was the critical aspect, or could be one
Speaker 2: of them. Two thousand and two, we invade Iraq. They
Speaker 2: didn't have a loan with the IMF, one of the
Speaker 2: few countries in the world that didn't. Immediately after the
Speaker 2: dust settled, we didn't set up democracy. The first thing
Speaker 2: we did, we gave them alone with the IMF. Same
Speaker 2: thing with Afghanistan, they were one of the few countries
Speaker 2: that didn't have one after the dust settled, gave them alone.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Syria, one of the few countries in
Speaker 2: the world did not have alone with the IMF. We
Speaker 2: invaded institute a regime change twenty fourteen, still ongoing and
Speaker 2: now Isis is in charge. You know who else doesn't
Speaker 2: have alone with the IMF. Iran, but they do have
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty tons of gold and they are
Speaker 2: circumventing the US dollar system successfully. You might add the
Speaker 2: other issue, you.
Speaker 1: Think so you think this is more about the geopolitical
Speaker 1: movement of money than it is about the nuclear program, or.
Speaker 2: So, I think that's an excuse. Yeah, we did that
Speaker 2: with Libya too. They had one hundred and forty three
Speaker 2: tons of gold and Gaddafi was preparing to set up
Speaker 2: a system with the dinar in Africa to circumvent the
Speaker 2: US dollar. We went in, destroyed them. Isis took over.
Speaker 2: Now there's slave markets and one hundred forty three tons
Speaker 2: of gold disappeared.
Speaker 1: If I'm right that Israel will use US strikes as
Speaker 1: a permission structure to execute the government and throw Iran
Speaker 1: into civil war, how do you think that will impact
Speaker 1: the region more broadly?
Speaker 2: I mean, in every case we've ever seen, it just
Speaker 2: destabilizes it. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Iraq, Syria. Do you think that those governments can can
Speaker 1: maintain their existence if you've got some mass migration of
Speaker 1: people out of Iran, and if you've got just overall
Speaker 1: downgrading of the nation.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just like in just like in Iraq.
Speaker 2: This is a destabilizing force. And if we take out Iran,
Speaker 2: we're going to have, like you said, mass migration, people
Speaker 2: in chaos. But that's what we want, because then you
Speaker 2: don't have someone to resist. You can go in and
Speaker 2: you can put in a puppet who supports whoever, who's
Speaker 2: friendly to whoever. But you have to consider that doesn't
Speaker 2: always work out, like a can't even keep their puppets.
Speaker 13: Well, no, we can't.
Speaker 2: And they're leaning Iraq today is leaning towards Iran of
Speaker 2: all places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it shows the fallacy of these strategies. There
Speaker 1: are some who will say, look, we can go bomb
Speaker 1: some nuclear sites, fly home, and there is an argument
Speaker 1: that Bill Clinton had a lot of things right regarding
Speaker 1: his counter terrorism strategy. He didn't get us involved in
Speaker 1: a lot of boots on the ground entanglements, but he
Speaker 1: kind of mowed the grass by flying over im occasionally
Speaker 1: flying home, not becoming the blo tangle handles.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So there is there a feature of this that
Speaker 1: gives you any hope that that could be the resolution.
Speaker 1: We bomb some nuclear sites, we fly home, and then
Speaker 1: and then hopefully some sense of deterrence as were set.
Speaker 2: I would certainly hope that, I'm not hopeful that that
Speaker 2: will be the outcome. I can hope that is it.
Speaker 2: But what we've seen so far is that we go
Speaker 2: in and we just take these places apart piece by piece,
Speaker 2: brick by brick, and I think that's what Israel wants.
Speaker 2: They have said repeatedly that they want regime change any Iran.
Speaker 1: Is that good for Israel? Like forget I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's good for the United States, But is
Speaker 1: it even good for Israel? Because I worry that the
Speaker 1: campaigns that they're on could stoke considerably more anti Israel
Speaker 1: sentiment at a time when President trumpets so much momentum
Speaker 1: for the Abraham Accords.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, they have a lot of support in Congress, though,
Speaker 2: and I think that they'll get the support they need
Speaker 2: when they need it if this goes south, and they
Speaker 2: always have so I don't see it as a good
Speaker 2: move for them in the broadest sense that it's just
Speaker 2: going to destabilize the region. But when does that ever
Speaker 2: stop them?
Speaker 1: If these strikes don't end the nuclear program, then what, well,
Speaker 1: obviously it escalates, it escalates from there.
Speaker 2: The problem is, and I may be naive on this,
Speaker 2: but I don't see an issue with Iran having a
Speaker 2: nuclear program. One right now, they've only got sixty percent
Speaker 2: uranium you need ninety percent. It's not been enriched. Plus
Speaker 2: you need a delivery system, they don't have that. Then
Speaker 2: you need tests. They don't have that either. So I
Speaker 2: think we're getting a false narrative about the expediency of
Speaker 2: their program in order to enable this attack. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what's behind that, but it's not necessary.
Speaker 1: Let me disagree with you. I don't want Iran to
Speaker 1: have a nuclear weapon. I don't want Israel to have
Speaker 1: one either. By the way, right, I wonder when we're
Speaker 1: going to have a candid discussion about the status of
Speaker 1: the nuclear program in Israel. But but I am against
Speaker 1: nuclear proliferation broadly. I reject that US bombers is going
Speaker 1: to starve the problem. Are the mechanism by which to
Speaker 1: achieve that solution? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know how you stop them, but at some
Speaker 2: point you also have to ask is that our job
Speaker 2: to stop them? I mean, why are we the world police?
Speaker 2: Why are we getting involved? Why are we fighting Israel's war?
Speaker 2: Why are we fighting anybody's war?
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with us. We are two
Speaker 1: peace Love and Bros. Pearson Sharp of the Sharp Report
Speaker 1: here on One American News. Thank you for investigative reporting
Speaker 1: and we look forward seeing how you're going to follow
Speaker 1: this conflict. Going forward and coming up, we continue our
Speaker 1: coverage of the war between Israel and Iranan, now likely
Speaker 1: the United States, with Missouri Congressman Eric Burlson back in
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the war between
Speaker 1: Israel and Iran. President Trump has assembled his national security team.
Speaker 1: He's certainly reviewing all options and communicating those to the country.
Speaker 1: We know with certainty that President Trump sees the follies
Speaker 1: of the Bush and Obama years of forever wars as
Speaker 1: a big fat mistake.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake.
Speaker 3: George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes, but
Speaker 3: that one was a beauty. We should have never been
Speaker 3: in a wreck. We have destabilized the Middle East. They lied,
Speaker 3: They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none.
Speaker 1: Now, Congressional anti war members Thomas Massey and Rocana have
Speaker 1: teamed up to introduce legislation to constrain hostilities toward Iran
Speaker 1: until there is a congressional declaration of war. This is
Speaker 1: playing out as the United States Senate works to send
Speaker 1: legislation of the House to pass President Trump's agenda. Joining
Speaker 1: US now Missouri a Republican Congressman Eric Burlison, Congressman. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll start at the top. What's your take on
Speaker 1: America's impending strikes on Iran?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I look, I think Trump has demonstrated that great
Speaker 14: patience here and I think that his goal is to
Speaker 14: bring peace in that that region. I don't think his
Speaker 14: goal is to try to strike Iran. It's to make
Speaker 14: sure that Iran and their posture and their their animosity
Speaker 14: and their their accentear come to an end. And I
Speaker 14: think that I think that that I give Trump the
Speaker 14: latitude to to know.
Speaker 5: How to how to balance this and how to how.
Speaker 14: To approach this in such a way where we do
Speaker 14: not end up involved in a forever war in Iran,
Speaker 14: or even even having to put any boots on the
Speaker 14: ground that would be inconceivable for many of us. But
Speaker 14: find a way to put enough pressure on Iran so
Speaker 14: that they do come to the table and they finally
Speaker 14: agree to end their nuclear enrichment aspirations.
Speaker 1: Congressman, what's the best evidence you've seen regarding how long
Speaker 1: it would take iron to get to a nuclear weapon
Speaker 1: that was that was deployable.
Speaker 14: You know, I'm not on the Intel Committee and so
Speaker 14: and I'm not on you know, you're on House Arms Services.
Speaker 14: I'm not on one of those committees. So I don't
Speaker 14: see direct evidence. But I do trust that Trump has
Speaker 14: seen that information, and I don't think that he would
Speaker 14: take that that lightly. It's clear that he's he's acting
Speaker 14: based on information that he has.
Speaker 1: If Israel completes their decapitation strikes and takes out the
Speaker 1: major portions of the Iranian government and that country falls
Speaker 1: into a civil war, do you think there'll be any
Speaker 1: way for America to stay out of it.
Speaker 5: I don't think that we should get involved in any way.
Speaker 14: I mean, at the end of the day, we have
Speaker 14: all of these times where regimes have been completely toppled.
Speaker 14: They've left a vacuum, and all the money that we spend,
Speaker 14: we ultimately end up just enriching the people.
Speaker 5: And some of the terrorists that come in and take over.
Speaker 14: So look, we left what was eighty billion dollars in
Speaker 14: military grade equipment to the Taliban when we left Afghanistan.
Speaker 14: In in Iraq right right, we've left a tremendous amount
Speaker 14: of money wasted money and infrastructure and building up that presence.
Speaker 14: I don't think that just because I think that just
Speaker 14: because something is topled doesn't mean that we have to
Speaker 14: get involved in fixing it.
Speaker 1: Your colleagues Rocana and Thomas Massey have introduced legislation to
Speaker 1: demand vote in the Congress regarding the declaration of war
Speaker 1: against Iran. What can you tell us about the prospects
Speaker 1: of that legislation passing and would you vote for it?
Speaker 14: You know, I don't know where we stand, and I
Speaker 14: think that if we were going to take that vote,
Speaker 14: I would want to be grieved about what's going on
Speaker 14: in Iran, would want to get the facts about what's
Speaker 14: happening with their nuclear richment program and try to get
Speaker 14: the same information that the President and the White House
Speaker 14: is operating off of before I would be able to
Speaker 14: ascertain how it is going to vote on that.
Speaker 1: One more Iran question, and then I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the budget, which I know you
Speaker 1: are a real stickler for savings in that regard, But
Speaker 1: like what happens the day after. Imagine a world in
Speaker 1: which Iran's regime falls and the nuclear program is done
Speaker 1: and the Ayatola is done. What do you think what
Speaker 1: actually happened in that country of ninety million people?
Speaker 5: You know, I would hope that the.
Speaker 14: Iranian people will embrace what Persia once was, which was
Speaker 14: an intellectual haven and the country that many Americans that
Speaker 14: I know that are Iranian want to go back and
Speaker 14: provide benefit and value to the country that they were
Speaker 14: born in. And I would hope that that would be
Speaker 14: the case. It does not seem to be the case traditionally.
Speaker 1: But you don't say intellectual havens haven't emerged out of
Speaker 1: our regime change wars lately.
Speaker 5: No, but one could have hope, right.
Speaker 14: I just don't think that we need necessarily need to
Speaker 14: get our fingers involved in all that.
Speaker 1: Well, your fingers are involved in trying to get the
Speaker 1: president his agenda, while at the same time not bankrupting
Speaker 1: the country. The Senate seems to be moving in your
Speaker 1: direction on work requirements. You came on this program and
Speaker 1: you said work requirements should be broadly required. You specifically
Speaker 1: said that you thought that parents of children should work,
Speaker 1: that having a child is not an excuse to never
Speaker 1: enter the workforce again. And it does seem like Ron
Speaker 1: Johnson and some of the other conservatives in the Senate
Speaker 1: have that work requirement a little more aggressive than the
Speaker 1: House position. If someone had a child fifteen years of
Speaker 1: age or older, they would have to meet that work requirement. So,
Speaker 1: first congratulations on advocating for them and getting the Senate
Speaker 1: closer to your position. How do you think that will
Speaker 1: be received back in the House of Representatives?
Speaker 14: You know, I think that one of the biggest and
Speaker 14: the wisest things that they did really for negotiating purposes
Speaker 14: is take out the raise to the salt tax deductions,
Speaker 14: because look, if you're if you're part of the salt Caucus,
Speaker 14: you'll probably be willing to accept a lot of these
Speaker 14: other changes as long as you can get some increase
Speaker 14: in salt. And so that has moved. I think that
Speaker 14: that's setting the tone for negotiations and I think that
Speaker 14: that would probably, you know, at least get put us
Speaker 14: in a better position to get some bigger wins. The
Speaker 14: other win that I think came out of that that's
Speaker 14: not talked about much. I was able to get into
Speaker 14: the build the elimination and the National Firearms Act of
Speaker 14: the tax on suppressors and the registration of suppressors. And
Speaker 14: the Senate was able to get in a complete elimination
Speaker 14: of the FRA tax on short bail rifles and shortmail shotguns.
Speaker 14: So for the second Amendment, for those of us that
Speaker 14: are big supports a second commit This is a huge.
Speaker 1: Win a lot of gun owners in the show me State,
Speaker 1: and I know they are very grateful that you're there
Speaker 1: fighting for them in the United States Congress. Best of
Speaker 1: luck as the Senate works on getting that legislation back
Speaker 1: to you in the House. A Congressman, Eric Eric Burlinson,
Speaker 1: one of the very best thanks is always for joining
Speaker 1: us on the program. Thanks Matt, and coming up, we
Speaker 1: have seen ryot script the major cities in the country
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Speaker 1: As war breaks out in the Middle East, of violence
Speaker 1: has also found its way to the streets of America.
Speaker 1: Liberal groups and financiers put on the No King's protests
Speaker 1: and riots in Los Angeles and around the country to
Speaker 1: express opposition to President Trump's deportations, which we are here
Speaker 1: for and strongly support. Things got out of hand in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles as the crowd swelled to around forty thousand people.
Speaker 1: Police declared the downtown area unlawful and deployed crowd controlled
Speaker 1: munitions in the afternoon and evening, tear gas rubber bullets, flashbanks,
Speaker 1: and pepperballs were used. Rocks, concrete chunks, glass bottles, and
Speaker 1: commercial grade fire works were even deployed against the police lines.
Speaker 1: At least seven LAPEDA officers were hurt during the scuffles,
Speaker 1: The sheriff's deputy was struck by gas from a motorcyclist,
Speaker 1: and mounted police horses were even injured, which is not
Speaker 1: an easy thing to do. Conversely, down how in San
Speaker 1: Diego saw a relatively peaceful event with a few minor skirmishes.
Speaker 1: But while they might not have been committing acts of violence,
Speaker 1: they were definitely still nuts. Just listened to some of
Speaker 1: the protesters rhetoric on vigil ante justice and her defense
Speaker 1: of a man who shot someone in the face.
Speaker 9: Opinion on vigilante justice in terms of people take longer.
Speaker 15: I think I think what he did could be justified.
Speaker 16: As Italian, he's educated, he has money that's like so
Speaker 16: far from the standard that people are trying to put
Speaker 16: on him before that identify him. And I think that's
Speaker 16: the action that he did really reflected on site.
Speaker 9: So you would say sometimes that it is it is
Speaker 9: a necessity, and like you know, the people take.
Speaker 5: Your things into their own hands.
Speaker 9: Is need when you're when you're when you're facing tyranny.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing quite like hearing someone justify violence in
Speaker 1: front of a rainbow flag. Independent journalist doddre Morgan and
Speaker 1: our very own Chris Chella cover the protests in San Diego,
Speaker 1: so I don't have to and they join me. Now, So, Odra,
Speaker 1: when you go to these things, I've noticed they take
Speaker 1: on a very egalitarian nature. There's like some Palestinian flags
Speaker 1: and some rainbow flags and the anti ice stuff. What
Speaker 1: are you seeing animating these gatherings of people.
Speaker 17: Well, the interesting thing is that there was a lot
Speaker 17: of American flags this time, which I was very shocked
Speaker 17: because if I don't know if they sent out a
Speaker 17: memo during their you know, zoom call that they had,
Speaker 17: but usually it's Mexican flags, the Palestinian flags, and the
Speaker 17: Pride flags.
Speaker 1: And this time the American flag at least got some mariton.
Speaker 17: It did, and they actually said the Pledge of allegiance
Speaker 17: at City Hall, which I was actually really surprised about.
Speaker 15: But I feel like that was kind of a ploy
Speaker 15: because they've been.
Speaker 17: You know, burning those flags, so while all of a sudden,
Speaker 17: are you holding those and acting like, you really support
Speaker 17: America when they're going against America and what it stands for.
Speaker 1: Chris, What did you notice about the crowds?
Speaker 9: Well, I noticed that they were, you know, they were
Speaker 9: mostly peaceful. And that's because there was virtually no police presence,
Speaker 9: mattch So when I was in La, it was a
Speaker 9: like a war zone. There was you know, uh, rubber
Speaker 9: bullets on the ground, rocks, shattered glass everywhere, graffiti everywhere,
Speaker 9: and a very heavy police presence. There was not that
Speaker 9: was not the case in San Diego. But these people
Speaker 9: were looking for a fight. They were looking for someone
Speaker 9: to agitate them. They just didn't really have anyone.
Speaker 1: Until they came across us.
Speaker 9: And I'll have to roll the sound bite and you
Speaker 9: guys can see what happened.
Speaker 1: These guys are.
Speaker 17: You are?
Speaker 1: These guys are pieces of Mega. Please help me.
Speaker 3: These people are pieces of Mega.
Speaker 1: Please help me.
Speaker 18: You want me to like say something about your your
Speaker 18: weight for your handy cat?
Speaker 6: Sha shame, I don't know what I.
Speaker 15: Love that picture?
Speaker 5: Okay, can you get out of my face?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 12: Well, I'm trying to do.
Speaker 5: Exactly give.
Speaker 1: We don't like.
Speaker 13: Everyone has the right to do that thing.
Speaker 2: But it was like each other.
Speaker 5: You're rewis how big a bull you look like?
Speaker 1: You realize?
Speaker 16: Yeah, you guys in the Movement of Peace, Love all right,
Speaker 16: movement of loving Unity likes to pulling people out of
Speaker 16: the park.
Speaker 9: Because they disagree with him by having an opinion. I
Speaker 9: instigated about having an opinion.
Speaker 15: Hey, dude, are you going to do your job?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 13: You're not to be nice?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 16: These people are all right?
Speaker 4: It's amazing, dude.
Speaker 1: I cannot exactly say that that had the i Q
Speaker 1: points of the Harvard Debating Society, but people out there
Speaker 1: expressing their view. Nonetheless, the man in the orange shirt
Speaker 1: obviously was very physically threatened by you. What did you
Speaker 1: threat What did you try to do to him that
Speaker 1: made him so scared?
Speaker 17: I just talked to him and just ask him some questions.
Speaker 17: He kept calling us, you know, poss and I asked
Speaker 17: him why can you explain why? And he just kind
Speaker 17: of got more aggressive. But the weird thing is is
Speaker 17: that and this happened with the group of agitators as well.
Speaker 17: He kept calling us agitators, but he was following us
Speaker 17: around several times, like he would leave and then come back,
Speaker 17: leave and come back, and so it's you know, you're
Speaker 17: kind of just curious as to know what's going on,
Speaker 17: But as soon as they ask are you a Trump
Speaker 17: supporter or not, they'll be kind of on your side
Speaker 17: and then flip just like that, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 17: like the kids that were listening, they we told him
Speaker 17: what was going on with the gentleman that he was,
Speaker 17: you know, just kind of saying nasty things that he
Speaker 17: didn't need to say, just out of hate for potentially
Speaker 17: being a Trump supporter. And these kids were on our side,
Speaker 17: not meaning that you have to pick sides, but they
Speaker 17: were understanding. And then as soon as he said they're agitators,
Speaker 17: they literally got up from their seat, went and sat
Speaker 17: with him and started engaging.
Speaker 15: In the shame. Shame, shame. So it's interesting that they
Speaker 15: can't have their own ideas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like they're terrified to be confronted with
Speaker 1: a viewpoint that's different than their own. Chris, we've been
Speaker 1: covering on the program financing of a lot of these networks.
Speaker 1: Give us a sense of, you know what organizing activities
Speaker 1: were there, speeches, were there elected leaders? Or is this
Speaker 1: just a lot of people who really need something better
Speaker 1: to do on a Saturday.
Speaker 9: I would go with probably all the above, but I
Speaker 9: don't think there are any elected speakers. But there was
Speaker 9: a they did a loop around the city I think
Speaker 9: four or five times, gathered in one spot for had
Speaker 9: a few speakers, but we again were far away from
Speaker 9: that by that point, and this guy came over started
Speaker 9: engaging us, and it led to you know, him screaming
Speaker 9: mag and of course the people who could hear.
Speaker 1: Did you think they wanted to hurt you?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, Matt, not only okay. First of all, this guy
Speaker 9: insulted her for having a cane MS. That is like
Speaker 9: so repugnant. And then these people they say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 9: that's disgusting. Oh but their maga and then they immediately
Speaker 9: flipped to his side. And another amazing thing is that
Speaker 9: the poll or the security guard who's walking by as
Speaker 9: these people are in my face and I'm saying, hey, man,
Speaker 9: can I get some help, he basically just shrugs me off.
Speaker 13: I mean, oh this is going on.
Speaker 1: You think you're concerned that the rent of security guard
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to like secret.
Speaker 9: Service, I'm surprised that he didn't engage at all, Like
Speaker 9: he just completely like, no, I don't want to deal
Speaker 9: with that.
Speaker 8: Above my pay grade.
Speaker 1: Yeahah probably got a union contract. So if the if
Speaker 1: rallies and protests like this were going to other cities,
Speaker 1: what would you tell communities to prepare for, Roger.
Speaker 15: Why, I would it a little to prepare for what's
Speaker 15: going on in LA.
Speaker 1: Do you think that level of it, Because because there
Speaker 1: was a difference in what we saw in San Diego.
Speaker 17: There definitely was. It doesn't mean that that hasn't happened
Speaker 17: here and that it won't. I think people need to
Speaker 17: be prepared because as we're seeing across different cities, even
Speaker 17: smaller ones, this type of stuff is happening.
Speaker 15: So I think it's better to be more prepared than not.
Speaker 17: In fact, the police were there should have been more
Speaker 17: police because of how many tens of thousands of people
Speaker 17: there were.
Speaker 15: If something went wrong, there would have been no way
Speaker 15: to stop it.
Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder whether or not they are
Speaker 1: targeting some of the communities that have really embraced the
Speaker 1: defund the police movement for some of their more aggressive activities.
Speaker 1: Roger Morgan and Chris Chelli thank you both for your
Speaker 1: journalism and for sharing those incredible videos here with this
Speaker 1: someone Americans, thank you and coming up President Trump's legislative
Speaker 1: agenda hangs in the balance. Key Conservative senators are offering
Speaker 1: solutions to cut debts and deficits. It means war work requirements.
Speaker 1: Will discuss all that and the changing tax rate implications
Speaker 1: with Tim Desher of Unleashed Prosperity next.
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Speaker 1: At the House.
Speaker 18: Bills eleven pages just the Senate Finance Committee's summary of
Speaker 18: the tax revisions is thirty seven pages, a lot of
Speaker 18: complex detail. We don't have time to get this right
Speaker 18: by July fourth. We've got to take the time to
Speaker 18: find the problem, look at it, start coming.
Speaker 1: Up with real solutions, not just something quick.
Speaker 18: Papered over because we got douced by July fourth.
Speaker 1: That was the Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson throwing cold water
Speaker 1: on the notion that President Trump is going to get
Speaker 1: his bill before July fourth. We know work is underway.
Speaker 1: We recently had President Trump's Budget chief for US vote
Speaker 1: on the program. Here was his message to Senator Johnson
Speaker 1: and other fiscal conservatives.
Speaker 19: So my message to them is that this is not
Speaker 19: something where they need to hold their nose. This is,
Speaker 19: in fact a good bill. This is something that has
Speaker 19: historic levels and mandatory savings. It will lead to less
Speaker 19: deficits and debt as a result of this bill being passed.
Speaker 19: Because of the reforms that are in it, and it
Speaker 19: is historic welfare reforms. It doesn't pass, the fiscal situation
Speaker 19: will deteriorate dramatically. We can't balance the budget when our
Speaker 19: economy is in recession period.
Speaker 1: End of story. Senator Johnson's point seems to be that
Speaker 1: these cuts don't return government to spending level at pre
Speaker 1: pandemic marks. Many Republicans lamented the amount of pandemic government
Speaker 1: spending that occurred. We even blamed inflation on it. Now,
Speaker 1: with a Republican House, Senate and President, some would like
Speaker 1: to see more belt tightening complicating factors is the judicial
Speaker 1: coup still strangling so much of the progress President Trump
Speaker 1: and Elon Musk fought for in the DOGE process. Just yesterday,
Speaker 1: a federal judge in Boston ruled that stopping NIH grants
Speaker 1: for DEI research was void and illegal. Judge William Young
Speaker 1: ruled that more than a billion dollars for research grants
Speaker 1: must be restored. It's it's shocking to be we're even
Speaker 1: doing a billion dollars in DEI research. This is absurd,
Speaker 1: it's anti democratic. Judge Young said to the government, quote,
Speaker 1: you're bearing down on people of color because of their color.
Speaker 1: What legal gibberish. DEI funding grants treat people differently due
Speaker 1: to their immutable traits, like their color, their race, even
Speaker 1: their gender. President Trump is righteously trying to stop government
Speaker 1: funded racism, and some woke judge in Boston doesn't have
Speaker 1: any right to assume, unto himself, the power of the
Speaker 1: executive branch to administer funding streams. It is clear that
Speaker 1: more DOGE cuts need to be ratified, and recisions are
Speaker 1: planned by the White House that are incoming. As the
Speaker 1: bombs are incoming to Iran.
Speaker 19: There's a lot that can be done this fiscal year
Speaker 19: in an area of recisions. This is the first bill,
Speaker 19: but what I want to be clear with people is
Speaker 19: that there is more there to send up. But what
Speaker 19: we want to ensure is that it's successful. We have
Speaker 19: a lot of liberal, woke organizations that are out there
Speaker 19: doing what they would call global health activities that we
Speaker 19: don't believe are consistent with the values that the American
Speaker 19: people sent this administration.
Speaker 1: So how does President Trump get the support of Senator
Speaker 1: Johnson and other fiscal conservatives without losing those who want
Speaker 1: to spend even more money joining us now is the
Speaker 1: executive director at Unleashed Prosperity, Tim Desher. Tim, I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring you back on. You were a big champion
Speaker 1: of this bill as it moved through the House. It
Speaker 1: does appear the Senate has made some changes. Walk us
Speaker 1: through how you're viewing those changes and whether or not
Speaker 1: they make the bill stronger or weaker.
Speaker 20: Well, look, this is the good, the bad, and the ugly,
Speaker 20: and we could start with the good. Look, they make
Speaker 20: the Trump tax cuts permanent, which is the biggest possible
Speaker 20: thing that we can ask for. As we've talked about, Matt,
Speaker 20: there is no room for a four trillion dollar tax
Speaker 20: increase on the American people. At this point, it would
Speaker 20: be an economic devastation. So they got that part right.
Speaker 20: One thing that we wish that we would have seen
Speaker 20: in there is we wish we would have seen maybe
Speaker 20: a fifteen percent corporate tax rate. I mean President Trump
Speaker 20: campaigned on that. He also campaigned maybe if we if
Speaker 20: we couldn't get a flat fifteen percent corporate tax rate,
Speaker 20: maybe the maid in America fifteen percent.
Speaker 13: Rate to attract those businesses to come over here.
Speaker 20: So we didn't see the Senate put that in there,
Speaker 20: but you know, we did see some good limits on
Speaker 20: the no tax on tips. That's going to be a
Speaker 20: good pay for for the priorities. The one thing, Matt,
Speaker 20: that I think is probably the biggest that that I
Speaker 20: the biggest bugaboo are some of these green energy subsidies,
Speaker 20: the tax credit green energy tax credits through the green
Speaker 20: energy scam that Biden passed that every single Republican voted against.
Speaker 20: The Senate put that back in there to some extent,
Speaker 20: and so, uh, I'm not really keen on that because
Speaker 20: once a program is in, always in, and I think
Speaker 20: this might be our one chance to remove it.
Speaker 1: What is the scope of the Green New Deal tax
Speaker 1: credits that have been put back into the bill, and
Speaker 1: who are we hearing was was making that demand?
Speaker 13: Yeah, So basically this is this is an entirely.
Speaker 20: Massive giveaway to the to the Biden projects that that
Speaker 20: he put in there. So, as you know, Stacy Abrams,
Speaker 20: you know, just randomly started a group to promote green
Speaker 20: energy in urban areas. Two billion dollars gone given away.
Speaker 20: I'm not exactly sure she's going to get all of
Speaker 20: that that will be taken away. But these are the
Speaker 20: kind of programs, Matt, that were in the Green new scam.
Speaker 20: These are the kind of programs that were being funneled
Speaker 20: to every single left wing cause that there is. I
Speaker 20: can't think of a single right wing positive cause that
Speaker 20: this bill would actually help. In fact, it's going to
Speaker 20: continue to subsidize green auto credits for evs, it's going
Speaker 20: to continue to subsidize some of these in perverse solar
Speaker 20: companies that.
Speaker 13: Take tons of tax dollars away.
Speaker 20: From other things that we could be spending, including the
Speaker 20: tax cuts like the fifteen percent rate that we so
Speaker 20: badly needed and wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm trying to understand is, was this a
Speaker 1: concession from Republicans in the Senate to Democrats or did
Speaker 1: they have to make these concessions to other Republicans.
Speaker 13: Well, that's the thing that we're talking about.
Speaker 20: I mean, we you know, you've got the salt Republicans
Speaker 20: in the House, and you know they we're just fine
Speaker 20: taking that away because every senator, no Republican senator in
Speaker 20: the Senate, is from a blue state.
Speaker 13: So they limited that salt cap back down to ten thousand.
Speaker 20: So that is a big pay for So the only
Speaker 20: thing that I can understand here, Matt, is that they
Speaker 20: see the math that they need to pay. They need
Speaker 20: to do this in order to make somebody happy. I'm
Speaker 20: not exactly sure who, because every single person voted against it.
Speaker 20: So honestly, it befuddles me at this point. And I
Speaker 20: wouldn't be surprised if it was simple lobbying in Washington,
Speaker 20: d C. From all these companies who want to see
Speaker 20: these tax credits stay in place. And the dinners and
Speaker 20: the cocktail parties here are awful tempting for members of Congress.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you talk to a lot of business leaders,
Speaker 1: and I want to get a sense what people are
Speaker 1: planning for. Is it your expectation that this version of
Speaker 1: the Senate bill will pass the Senate, go to the House,
Speaker 1: pass and go to President Trump's desk. Or do you
Speaker 1: think that there's more wrangling and deal making around some
Speaker 1: of these issues like the state and low tax deduction
Speaker 1: and like the Green New Deal tax credits that a
Speaker 1: lot of the House members are really against.
Speaker 13: Well, Matt, We're going to see, aren't we.
Speaker 20: I think that it's going to be a very very
Speaker 20: interesting next couple weeks here. Obviously, the goal is fourth
Speaker 20: of July, and we know that Mike Johnson is very
Speaker 20: serious about hitting deadlines. He is so far he has
Speaker 20: hit every single deadline that he's put in place, and
Speaker 20: so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some big
Speaker 20: time cajoling from a Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
Speaker 20: to get this thing passed by the fourth of July.
Speaker 13: But I think the thing that we have to focus
Speaker 13: on here.
Speaker 20: Is how much does President Trump get away in on
Speaker 20: this How much is he going to wrangle? How much
Speaker 20: is he going to push this bill across the finish
Speaker 20: line to his target of the.
Speaker 13: Fourth of July. That's a huge question. There's a lot of.
Speaker 20: Negotiation to happen though, And if you were to ask
Speaker 20: a betting person, I think that they would say this
Speaker 20: is not going to happen by the fourth of July.
Speaker 13: But who knows what happens when the ultimate deal maker
Speaker 13: gets into.
Speaker 1: The He's spread a little thin these days. Nobody works
Speaker 1: like President Trump. But he's having to wrangle Iran and
Speaker 1: Israel and Senate Republicans and riots going on in major cities.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think he's got the border under control,
Speaker 1: but internal enforcement of our immigration laws, it's a It's
Speaker 1: a lot on the to do list for the president.
Speaker 1: But I do know that he focuses on this because
Speaker 1: he knows that it is key to the economic success
Speaker 1: that will drive the legacy of his presidency. Tim Desher,
Speaker 1: thanks as always for coming on the program and bringing
Speaker 1: us inside the negotiations on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 13: Thanks Matt, have a great one and coming up, it.
Speaker 1: Looks like the Trump administration may be expanding their travel
Speaker 1: band will explain why and what countries might be affected.
Speaker 1: After a quick break.
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Speaker 1: Ever, US, like the Trump administration, may be expanding their
Speaker 1: travel ban, and we understand why. A State Department memo
Speaker 1: signed by Secretary of Rubio identifies thirty six additional countries
Speaker 1: flagged for security concerns including poor passport protocols, visa overstate issues,
Speaker 1: insufficient cooperation on removing nationals, and links to terrorism or
Speaker 1: other anti American activity. These nations now have sixty days
Speaker 1: to comply with US security benchmarks or be hit with
Speaker 1: full or partial travel restrictions. The expansion would build on
Speaker 1: the June fourth proclamation that imposed full bans on twelve
Speaker 1: countries and partial bans on seven others. When this initial
Speaker 1: travel ban was announced, to our program supported the measure
Speaker 1: and encouraged even more extreme vetting, and the US tax
Speaker 1: payers wouldn't even have to pay for it. The solution
Speaker 1: I have it charge visa applicants from high risk countries
Speaker 1: a supplemental fee to finance their own enhanced background checks.
Speaker 1: Think about it as a national security codepay. If you
Speaker 1: want to enter the United States from a nation with
Speaker 1: a documented history of terrorism, failed governance, or limited identity
Speaker 1: infrastructure Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, you must pay an extreme
Speaker 1: vetting fee. This is not a punishment, its policy with
Speaker 1: a purpose. Extreme vetting is not a buzzword. It's a
Speaker 1: necessary evolution in a dangerous world. The Trump administration can
Speaker 1: make it official policy. If you want to come to America,
Speaker 1: you have to come through the front door and help
Speaker 1: pay for the locks. Targets of the expanded ban include
Speaker 1: several African and Caribbean nations, as well as Middle Eastern
Speaker 1: and other developing countries. If implemented, this would be one
Speaker 1: of the largest travel expansions of a ban in recent memory.
Speaker 1: The stated aim is to bolster national security by ensuring
Speaker 1: robust Identify deverification. This will reduce visa overstays and enhance
Speaker 1: data sharing, including criminal and terrorism related records with foreign
Speaker 1: partners joining US Now Executive director at the Center for
Speaker 1: Immigration Studies Mark Grekoran, So, Mark, does America get safer
Speaker 1: with the expanded travel ban?
Speaker 8: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: And there's two reasons that countries were added to this
Speaker 6: travel ban. It's not like Trump woke up and said,
Speaker 6: I don't know, let's add Equatorial Guinea to a list.
Speaker 6: There are two reasons. The first is some of these countries,
Speaker 6: especially some of these African countries, have unbelievably high rates
Speaker 6: of overstaying visas, legal visas, student visas, tourists, what have you,
Speaker 6: and they just don't go home, some of them forty
Speaker 6: to fifty seventy percent. Even now, the numbers are small,
Speaker 6: but there's no reason we should be issuing any visas
Speaker 6: to in countries where people just don't go home. The
Speaker 6: other reason, and this is more related to security and
Speaker 6: terrorism especially, is that some of these countries don't have
Speaker 6: governments where they can do any kind of vetting or
Speaker 6: they're not going to give us the information because they're hostile.
Speaker 8: Why should we be taking people from those countries. Most
Speaker 8: of them may be harmless enough, but we have no
Speaker 8: way of knowing that.
Speaker 1: Secretary of Rubio's memo gives a sixty day window for
Speaker 1: countries to be able to improve the vetting that they
Speaker 1: do or the document transmission is that appends to a
Speaker 1: lot of these determinations on visas. Do you have any
Speaker 1: confidence that any of them will be able to meet
Speaker 1: an acceptable threshold of screening before they're not subjected to
Speaker 1: a travel ban of one kind or another.
Speaker 6: I can't say none will, because in the first Trump
Speaker 6: administration a couple countries did in fact respond and clean
Speaker 6: up their act and we're taken off the list. But
Speaker 6: it doesn't seem very likely. You think Afghanistan is gonna
Speaker 6: start co opera well, I mean, it's not even cooperating.
Speaker 8: Afghanistan doesn't even have DMV. They don't even know what
Speaker 8: when they were born, So Malia places like this.
Speaker 6: So no, I'm not confident in any of these countries
Speaker 6: are going to get off anytime soon.
Speaker 1: In the past, the media has categorized this as a
Speaker 1: Muslim band. You've described some very objective standards that were
Speaker 1: applied to get to this list, you know, but I
Speaker 1: would like you to react to that criticism because it
Speaker 1: undoubtedly will rear its head again.
Speaker 8: No, it's complete nonsense.
Speaker 6: It was just a pretext because Orange Man bad and
Speaker 6: so they had to just if there were Muslim countries
Speaker 6: on there, it must be a Muslim ban. Well, frankly,
Speaker 6: many of the most dangerous and unstable countries in the
Speaker 6: world are Muslim majority countries. But that's not why you
Speaker 6: pick them, you know, I mean, I don't know. Let's
Speaker 6: say Malaysia is a Muslim majority country. It wasn't on
Speaker 6: any of those lists because it's not a source of
Speaker 6: terrorism and instability and has a more or less functional
Speaker 6: government that more or less works with us.
Speaker 8: So no, it has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.
Speaker 6: It has to do with objective criteria that make it
Speaker 6: impossible for us to actually check whether a person who wants.
Speaker 8: To come here is who they are and whether they're
Speaker 8: safe to let in.
Speaker 1: We are now at war in the Muslim world. How
Speaker 1: does the evolving situation in the Middle East draw into
Speaker 1: sharp focus our overall vetting, you know, paradigm as people
Speaker 1: could be coming to our country to hurt us.
Speaker 6: Well, I suspect, first of all, we're probably not going
Speaker 6: to be issuing a lot of visas to Iranians. That
Speaker 6: would just be imprudent. But you know, there's an important
Speaker 6: lesson here to learn from the Iran hostage crisis. Back
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy nine and eighty that President Carter asked
Speaker 6: the thens Immigration Naturalization Service for a list of all
Speaker 6: the Iranian students because some of those people were troublemakers
Speaker 6: and saboteurs and what have you. So you want a
Speaker 6: list of all the Iranian students in the United States
Speaker 6: foreign students. The i INS couldn't get that to him
Speaker 6: until after the hostage crisis was over. It took like
Speaker 6: a year and a half to get that kind of information. So,
Speaker 6: you know, we have just dealt with this whole issue
Speaker 6: of whether it's foreign students, foreign workers, whatever, it is,
Speaker 6: illegal immigration, just in the most lackadaisical way imaginable. And
Speaker 6: it's gotten better and it's getting better. But man, we
Speaker 6: have a lot of you know, space to make.
Speaker 1: Up, and I wonder how you remediate it. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: first thing you have to do is hold these countries
Speaker 1: to account when they have bad data, bad practices, as
Speaker 1: you've eloquently laid out. But we've seen Inspector General's reports
Speaker 1: from the Department of Fundland Security suggesting that hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people got into the country during COVID when
Speaker 1: the Biden administration suspended the screening process for visas in
Speaker 1: a lot of these countries. Do you think the Trump
Speaker 1: administration at some point is going to have to look
Speaker 1: at those who are in the country on some of
Speaker 1: these visas from nations that are failed states?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they are. But you know, how many things can
Speaker 8: you do at one time?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: They got a lot of balls they're juggling in the air,
Speaker 6: and they're going to have to prioritize.
Speaker 8: So the first thing is don't let in any more
Speaker 8: bad guys.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm afraid that in some instances they're
Speaker 6: going to have to wait till something happens and then
Speaker 6: try to clean it up afterwards, just because there's so much,
Speaker 6: such an enormous problem to deal with.
Speaker 1: Well, it is a big problem. This is the right
Speaker 1: first step, and I think I think we win either way.
Speaker 1: If other countries improve their game, that a dours to
Speaker 1: our safety, but if they don't, there's at least a consequence.
Speaker 1: Mark or Corean, thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 1: the program and sharing your expertise.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
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