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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: That they had a big sight and jealous with a guy.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six has been a weird year, hasn't it.

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It's barely begun man. When everyone looks at something and

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half the population sees one thing and the other half

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sees something completely different. We're cooked. We are done. Stick

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a fork in it. This is season thirteen, episode three,

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forty one, by the way, and it's all about trying

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to figure out what's right when nothing is, you know,

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kind of like twenty twenty six. It was March eighth,

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twenty twenty one, in the small community of Mickleton, New Jersey.

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Police cars swarmed the neighborhood. Flashes of blue lights started

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across the living room windows. The quiet street was swallowed by.

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Speaker 3: I look out the window and I have a bunch

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of you know, police officers were out here, and when

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we see had to come out and see what the

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commotion was about. And it wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't good. In a community with crime rates well

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below the national average, no one expected a violent crime,

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let alone the murder of a senior citizen. This rare

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crime would go down as the only murder in the

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community for years. Never issues like this, never see anything

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like this.

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Speaker 4: Everybody kind of you know, keeps themselves, the neighborhoods, really

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nice people everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a shock when stuffing like this happens.

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Sixty six year old Michael Debkowski was found murdered in

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his laundry room. He was bludgeoned in the head, his

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face masked in a sweatshirt. The only thing missing from

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the home was his car.

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Speaker 5: I was really shocked. I was really upset to find

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out like who it was.

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Speaker 3: Mike was a real good guy, you know. He was

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the type of guy that would help you out if

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you need a hand, if you see you out in

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the yard work, and always we when you go by,

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always had a kind thing to say to you. Never

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seen him, you know. Mad just just a total shock

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that it happened to him.

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Speaker 1: Mike never married. Instead, he spent his time away from

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work as an engineering consultant volunteering in the community. He

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was active in his church, taught religious education, and was

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a member of the Catholic fraternal organization Knights of Columbus.

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He was even a big brother of America mentoring youth.

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Speaker 3: It's a terrible way for anybody to go. You know,

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you're in your own home and you know, to be

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cut down like that by yourself alone.

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Speaker 5: I just hope it doesn't happen again around here. That

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was horrible to see.

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Speaker 1: It all started with a call from a woman named Carol.

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She spoke with Mike multiple times a day every day.

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That afternoon, at about one pm, she was talking to

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Mike when his demeanor suddenly changed. He ended the call

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saying he would call her back. She was left on

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the other end of the phone wondering what was going on.

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When she never heard back from him and was only

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getting to his voicemail, she called police. The police conducted

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a welfare check at his residence eighty five Myrtle Avenue.

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There was no response when they knocked on the door.

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They walked around the house looking through the windows for

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any sign of Mike. Finally, they managed to lift the

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garage door a few inches. That's when they noticed his

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car was gone. They ran the plates through the system.

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They found out that the license plate was scanned by

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an automated plate reader in Camden, New Jersey, Carol told

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police that Mike would only ever visit his brother, but

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that he would take a train. As far as she knew,

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he didn't have any trips planned. The police decided to

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go into the home. They lifted the garage door just

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enough for an officer to crawl underneath. Once in the garage,

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he immediately noticed the interior door had signs of fourth entry.

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On the other side of the door was the laundry room,

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and on the floor was Mike in a pool of blood.

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Mike put up a fight, though the struggle that ended

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in his death had started in the kitchen, went through

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the living room and ended up in the laundry room.

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When police told Carol about Mike's death, her first question

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was whether Sean Lannin had murdered him.

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Speaker 6: Breaking news the search for a person of interest in

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a South Jersey murder.

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Speaker 7: We have a scary situation here in Gloucester County. What

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could this guy could be anywhere? At this point police

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are looking for.

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Speaker 6: Sean lannon is wanted in connection with yesterday's homicide, and

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East Greenwich Township.

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Speaker 7: Investigators say he's considered absolutely armed and dangerous.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a national manhunt right now. There's a

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stolen car from South Jersey that he may be using,

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a blue hon the CRV with Jersey plates. Also, they

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think he was spotted at the water Rad Transportation Center,

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which will likely send off alarm bells all over the

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Filly area because that is the bus station right next

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to the Ben Franklin Ridge. You could take a bus

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in the Billi in five minutes. You could take the

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river line up and down the river where you could

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take the Pat Goalie speedline to Locus Street if you wanted.

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Speaker 1: The manhunt for Sean Lanin was nationwide, but he was

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from New Jersey. He grew up there. He went to

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high school and ran track. Nobody thought his name would

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be in the news for anything like this, though. But

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the reason Carol suspected Sean was that Mike had been

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in Shawn's life since he was a child. Sean didn't

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have a father growing up, so his mother Lynn enrolled

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him in the Big Brother program. Mike became his big

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brother and father figure.

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Speaker 9: His father was a career criminal I Americ in nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: I knew I did english to be married him anymore.

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Speaker 1: She explained life was so hard when Sean was young,

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and over time she came to rely on Mike.

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Speaker 10: Too because I was a single parent.

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Speaker 9: And I worked, so I counted on Mike to kind

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of picked up the slack. We were pushed we were

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just four because single women are just poor. It's just

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part of the Yeah, it's just he's what. So I know,

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Mike was good to him in terms of, you know, possessions,

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because I couldn't. I couldn't and it was hard, and

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I was grateful for Mike that the kids could have

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clothes that, you know, Otherwise we shopped in goodwill.

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Speaker 1: Mike became a lifelong fixture in Sean's life, following him

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into adulthood and even marriage. His in laws even knew

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the man everyone called Uncle Mike.

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Speaker 2: We knew Uncle Mike.

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Speaker 11: Uncle Mike was at plenty of birthday parties and dinners,

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dinners at the house, and.

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Speaker 12: He was a big brother that stayed in his life.

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He was his father. He was family friend that was

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like a father figure to him. I can't remember his name,

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was just like, oh, uncle Mike, Uncle Mike.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who knew Uncle Mike knew him as an upstanding

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citizen and a great man. Who devoted himself to others

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rather than selfish pursuits. But years after his big brother mentorship,

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when Sean grew up, he started sharing his childhood trauma

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with his wife.

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Speaker 11: I knew Jen had said that he was molested when

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he was a kid.

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Speaker 2: They never said uncle Mike. He never showed any dislike

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of Uncle Mike. Uncle Mike was always wonderful.

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Speaker 12: My sister told me at one point, I didn't know

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it was him. That Sean had been Melissa as a kid,

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had childhood, but I did not know it was him.

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I didn't connect the dots there. But everything seemed normal

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when we met. I met Mike. I see you know.

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I knew they were close friends. It was a father figure.

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I didn't see anything out of the ordinary there.

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Speaker 1: While everyone seemed to know about Sean's childhood trauma, no

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one put two and two together. It was too hard

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to imagine that Mike, the man who gave so much

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to the land and family and asked for nothing in return,

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could be the one who had molested Sean. But there

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was one person Sean shared more with, the longtime nanny

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to his kids. Remember Sean mentioning an old score that

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needed settling and Mike.

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Speaker 5: I've known for years about Mike.

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Speaker 2: He would never really post kids alone with Mike.

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Speaker 13: So he had mentioned sexual assault that of herd when

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he was a young boy, right before his teens, up

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until I mean he went off to the R and I.

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Speaker 5: He had said that was an old school that he

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needed to say for Mike.

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Speaker 1: The anger he must have felt, the shame that must

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have lingered with him for ye years. Two days after

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the murder, on March tenth, the man hunt was over.

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He was arrested and questioned about his reasons for killing

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a retired old man, the man that molested.

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Speaker 10: Me, his child, my big brother, big brother's big sisters,

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and there the lists too.

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Speaker 1: At forty seven years old, something snapped in Sean Lannon.

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He had three young kids. People who knew him say

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they were his whole world. But somewhere along the line,

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something in Sean's world shifted. You could no longer live

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with what he claimed Mike Debkowski did to him as

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a child. He had to take control back.

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Speaker 10: Who wanted the pictures, Sir Michael wanted the pictures back.

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He want to give them pictures.

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Speaker 1: I step being on March eighth, when Mike saw Sean

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Lannon walking up to his driveway. He ended the call

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with Carol because he knew it couldn't be good. Mike

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had been lending Sean money for years, but he never

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seemed to get back on his feet. This time, Sean

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didn't want money. He wanted the sexually explicit photos he

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claimed Mike took of him as a kid. Sean said.

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Mike denied having those photos, so he punched him in

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the face a few times.

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Speaker 10: Just give me the fucking pictures about.

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Speaker 1: It, Sean said. After a few stiff punches, Mike gave

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him the pictures, but Sean wasn't done. He escalated the

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situation and the two started to scuffle. At sixty six

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years old, Mike wasn't as strong as he used to

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be and quickly tried to retreat through the living room,

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but Sean pursued. The laundry room connects the rest of

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the house to the garage. Mike was trying to escape,

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but Sean found a hammer. He struck Mike on the

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head and he collapsed to the floor. With his mission complete,

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Sean locked the house and left, planning to steal Mike's car,

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but when he got outside, he realized he didn't have

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the keys. He had to force his way back into

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the home to get the keys off of Mike's dead body.

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The problem was Mike wasn't dead. He lay on the floor,

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barely breathing. Sean grabbed a nearby sweatshirt and placed it

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over his head so he wouldn't get covered in blood,

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and swung the hammer a few more times.

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Speaker 10: He expired the moment today realized I had time to

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finish it. It's ekscite. That's horrible too. I don't give

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a fuck about meus years, that's just fine. I feel bad.

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Speaker 1: Sean took Mike's life. He called this man uncle since childhood.

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He expressed remorse, but there was no emotion behind the words.

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What happened to Sean that, after all of these years,

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he suddenly let all this harbored aggression out.

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Speaker 9: It was it was a nice young man. He ran tracked,

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he ran on cross country. He was it was fun loving.

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I didn't know that he had potential sexual molestation front.

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Speaker 10: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: After his arrest, Shawn's mother, Lynne said she never knew.

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She claimed naivete for not seeing it, but there was

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a lot about Sean she didn't know, didn't see until

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it was too late. Two days earlier, on March eighth,

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before he was arrested. It wasn't just a national manhunt,

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it was a national concern.

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Speaker 6: Police standing guard tonight at the scene of yesterday's homicide

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on East Greenwich Township, Gloucester County, and at this hour

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the search continues for Sean Lannon, not only for this crime,

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but also in connection with a multiple killing. Herns out

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that Lanin is also a person of interest in a

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quadruple murder in New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: By the time the sun set on March, Michael Debkowski

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was dead and the search for Sean Lannon had crossed

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state lines. News reports painted a picture of a violent attack,

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a desperate escape, and a suspect now tied to four

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more murders in New Mexico, but the headlines didn't explain

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how Sean got there.

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Speaker 9: And when he graduated high school he went into the

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army for five years, he went to Costvo, which, if

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you know the history of Kosovo, it was a violent

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mass grave, the littlest bitch ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it was just like night.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't back. The same young man he went

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over with I'm sure a lot.

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Speaker 10: Of soldiers are the same line.

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Speaker 9: They see atrocities, and I said, Sean, you need some

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of PTSD help.

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Speaker 10: You need some help with this. This is too much.

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Speaker 1: Sean was never the same after his tour in Kosovo,

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lingering mental scars added to his already damaged mental health.

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It seemed his whole perspective on life had shifted.

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Speaker 9: He divorced his first wife. When he came home, he

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told me there could be no God because of what

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he saw.

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Speaker 1: What he saw in combat took a toll on Sean.

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But it wasn't long before the old Sean started to

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shine through.

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Speaker 9: It was in McDonald's one day and he met a

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girl named Liz. They were a whole other seven years together.

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Speaker 1: For a short time, Sean seemed content, but it wouldn't last.

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It was while he was with Liz that he met

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Jennifer Whitman.

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Speaker 12: I mean, he met probably about nine years ago. She

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had been married at that point and from her first husband.

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She was in her home nurse and that's how they met.

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She was in there working and that's how they met.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't long after jen started working as an in

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home nurse for Shawn and Liz At. A relationship developed

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and they were having a secret, you know, a secret

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affair at that point, which eventually came out.

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Speaker 9: She was married to somebody else. They had an affair

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and then just they were just like you know, starcross

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the lovers and everything was like wonderful and like them.

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Speaker 12: At that point, she lost her first husband. They got together.

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Speaker 1: Both Sean and Jen were already married, but that didn't

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seem to matter. They're fair turned into a full fledged

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relationship and then they got married.

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Speaker 12: She went off for Sewan did, but they did. They

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got married in March of twenty thirteen. None of us

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were there. We found out through Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Their relationship blossomed and it wasn't long before they welcomed

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their first child into the world, a little girl. About

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a year later, they had a second little girl. Not

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long after that, Jen was pregnant again, this time with

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a boy. From the outside, everything was perfect.

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Speaker 2: He had a decent job. You know, he was good

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at his job.

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Speaker 9: He enjoyed his job, he enjoyed the you know, being

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able to provide.

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Speaker 11: He liked Saul was a hard worker. He was an

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excellent dad. He loved Jen and he did anything for Jen.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 12: Through the years, they seemed to be okay.

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Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, the couple was struggling.

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Speaker 10: On some level.

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Speaker 9: She wanted that picture of the because he grew up

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in church and you know, everybody wants to be married

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and you know, have that happy little house with the

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white picket fens and kids running around. She wanted to

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put on a side that she was all together and

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and she she could maintain that for a while until

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the need for you know, drugs.

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Speaker 14: To go work.

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Speaker 1: Jen started to slip into drug addiction.

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Speaker 12: Jen was having some troubles with prescription drugs. She hurt

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her back before she left her first husband, and she

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was on some pain pillows for her back.

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Speaker 1: It started slowly at first, but then escalated quickly. She

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lost her nursing license because of her addiction and sank

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deeper into it. Soon there were issues that couldn't be

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missed even through the facade of the perfect life.

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Speaker 15: And now.

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Speaker 9: The first time dyfus was called in New Jersey was

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because she was violent. She was on the drugs. She

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was violent and she threw like barb chairs at them

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and the babysitter got bad.

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Speaker 1: Babysitter called them diffus as it's referred to or DYFS

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stands for the Division of Youth and Family Services in

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New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Then we had to have protection plans in place.

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Speaker 9: So was Manson on the protection plan, and she couldn't

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be left alone with the kids on superpest.

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Speaker 1: Gen's addiction only got worse.

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Speaker 9: In twenty sixteen, she had a heroin overdose.

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Speaker 10: Dyphus took the.

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Speaker 2: Kids in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 10: I got the.

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Speaker 9: Call that night, shown says, come home, they're taking the kids.

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Speaker 10: I got them home.

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Speaker 9: They bade fast him one house and so we had

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the kids for the next forty nine days.

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Speaker 11: While she was.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be getting herself together, Sean was getting therapy.

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Speaker 1: And that was their life, a cycle of Jen strung

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out on opiates, going to rehab, getting out, and eventually

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relapsing again, all the while they were trying to convince

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DYFS that the kids weren't in danger. Sean worked at

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an oil refinery, putting in a lot of hours. Sometimes

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he would be gone for weeks at a time, leaving

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the kids with Jen. This led to a lot of

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calls to DYFS. Needless to say, they weren't convinced, but

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in late twenty seventeen, Sean got an opportunity within his company.

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He was offered another job in New Mexico to get.

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Speaker 12: Ready to move to Mexico about three four years ago.

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Speaker 1: I think it was I'm sure they looked at it

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as a fresh start in a new state. Sean moved

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to New Mexico with the kids and Jen returned to rehab.

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Speaker 2: You know, she got out of rehab. She came back,

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He divorces her.

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Speaker 9: He takes her to you know, DIYFIS and get through

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parental rights taken away.

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Speaker 11: She didn't really deserve any rights. They were divorced just

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by paper. They were still together as a husband and wife.

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They never left each other only the time that Jen

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was in rehab for three or four.

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Speaker 12: Months, so I knew about it. I didn't know why. Well,

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I think from what I understood, it was that they

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ran to lose custody of the kids if Dick stayed marriage.

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So they got worse, so Sean could hold full costoy

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to the kids and the kids would be safe, so

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they won't lose because j Chen was going through her

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drug problem.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Jen was still there. She lived the house

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with Sean and the kids. She had no rights on paper,

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but in reality, when Sean wasn't home, she had full

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responsibility for their three small children. Taking care of her

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kids was difficult for Jen. She often chose her addiction

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over her children. Then Sean got sick.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't really living nanny in the past couple of years.

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But when Sean got diagnosed with cancer, I was there

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a lot. I want to say it's his lungs. I

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think it's mesophelioma. I'm not sure. I know he's been

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saying he was seeing a doctor. I used to take

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on the treatments every day up until October when he

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was real bad.

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Speaker 13: When he first started getting female he used to have

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to be like just walked to the bathroom and everything,

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like he could barely stand up.

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Speaker 5: So I would stay there. A lot of times I

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didn't stay there.

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Speaker 1: Sean was so sick that he was physically wrecked. Jen

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wasn't any help, so they had to hire a nanny

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to help take care of the kids. Then Sean lost

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his job because of all the time off. The little

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money they had started to dwindle fast, and the problems

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with Jen got worse.

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Speaker 12: Jen had run off with somebody after had an argument

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that she hit him with a frying pain and he

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was bruised up and marked up from that, and then

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she ran off with some guy that went to Arizona.

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Speaker 2: That they had a big fight and Jen left with

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a guy.

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Speaker 1: According to Sean, Jen abandoned her family at their lowest point.

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Speaker 14: It's unlike my daughter to go two weeks without calling us,

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then three weeks. It's unlike my daughter not calling us

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or texting us three weeks January.

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Speaker 12: February moved forward talk to my parents about finally missing

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Presson report because Sean wasn't really communicating to my parents

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as much. He gave us a little information, and all

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of a sudden, once we started pushing the police, it

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seemed like that's where you started talking. You know, I

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saw her two weeks ago, where she only comes around

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for money. You know, I'll see her soon. I mean

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even said that he saw her in town, and I

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just I just kept saying, this guy, Uh, something doesn't

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seen right.

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Speaker 1: On March fifth, one, three days before the murder of

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Mike Dobkowski and the national manhunt, in the concrete shadows

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of an Albuquerque airport parking garage, a worn down pickup

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truck waited for someone to find what was inside.

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Speaker 15: Albuquerque International Sunport. This is James James. This is our

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Space Defense officer Martinez with CIS. I'm on patrol in

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the garage. I have a vehicle here on the fourth

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floor and within five feet of the vehicle you could

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smell some sort of rotten cringing order.

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Speaker 1: On the fourth floor of the airport parking garage was

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a maroon Ford Ranger backed into a spot far from

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all the other cars. While the truck was suspicious with

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all the storage bins loaded inside and out, it was

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the wafts of rot that got the security guard's attention.

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Speaker 15: The vehicle is filled with multiple tubs storage containers, plastic

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storage containers throughout the bed of the vehicle as well

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as the cab. All right, we'll just keep an eye

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on it and if anything changes, let us know if anything. Okay,

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are you going to No, I'm not sending no, I'm

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not sending an officer because the vehicle stinks. Okay, all right, well,

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thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: The truck didn't have any signs of a break in

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and no one was inside. It was just very smelly,

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but the guard couldn't let it go. You finished checking

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the rest of the garage and then took his suspense

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his boss. His boss couldn't let it go.

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Speaker 12: Either, confers, this is mark nine to one down at longside.

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How are you good?

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Speaker 15: How you doing good?

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Speaker 11: Good?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 12: I went up to level four.

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Speaker 6: It just looks weird, man, it is.

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Speaker 15: It is packed full of stuff, like carp.

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Speaker 16: Down in the back, and every seat in the cab

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is fully loaded, including the past the driver's seat with

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like rubber made toads and stuff.

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Speaker 15: And there is an odor there.

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Speaker 16: And he said, he talked to you guys, and I

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understand that the truck is registered, and you know, there's

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really not a whole lot to go on, but I mean,

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it might not be a bad idea that maybe I

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have an Obviously, look at it, dude, it just looks weird, dude.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, patrol officers were dispatched to the fourth level of

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the Sunport Parking garage. The bed of the little pickup

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truck was filled with storage toats, covered with a deflated

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air mattress, a broken headboard from a twin bed weighed

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all down. The cab of the truck filled with miscellaneous items.

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Every surface, even the driver's seat, was packed with stuff.

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Boxes of loose clothing were scattered in the back seat

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a Thomas the tank engine. Theeinged toy box was ran

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behind the driver's seat. The passenger seat was piled with

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stuff and covered by a tarp. It was more than

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just a little strange that someone would park a truck

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loaded with personal items at the airport and leave it there.

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It's not like people usually need to catch a flight

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in the middle of moving. And I'm pretty sure that

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people that live out of the car aren't world travelers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Like beyond the seat right hand, the culture's blood

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on her shirt.

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Speaker 5: Like those loppers right there, I can't sell that's rest.

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Speaker 10: On it or I don't know, like around the blade

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part and kind of looks red reddish could be based

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off what we're looking at.

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Speaker 1: It means the patrol officers immediately understood what the security

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guards were talking about. This truck reeked of decay. They

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called a forensic investigator to determine if they were justified

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in their concerns.

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Speaker 5: We have a suspicious situation here. It's a bunch of fat,

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thin couple were cut.

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Speaker 10: In the back.

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Speaker 5: It smells off your dads.

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Speaker 10: No, we kind of pulled one over and it looks

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like there might be.

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Speaker 17: So.

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Speaker 5: Then nobody heard this kitty.

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Speaker 1: It was such an outlandish idea that the officer giggled

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body parts, you say, don't be silly shoulders. When officers

480
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peeled back one of the tot's lids, they were smacked

481
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in the face with the thick stench of decomposition. Patrol

482
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officers led the forensic investigator around the truck, pointing out

483
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what looked like blood, hair, and human skin. The police

484
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weren't sure what was going on with that little red truck,

485
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but they were going to find out. The truck was

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registered to sixty year old Randall Apostolon, an Albuquerque local.

487
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He had no criminal record. How his truck ended up

488
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:28,240
at the airport was a mystery. The major Crime scene

489
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:32,640
team and the Office of the Medical Investigator methodically documented

490
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the contents of each toe. The first tote contained a bloody,

491
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:42,359
deflated swimming pool, but underneath was a male torso. The

492
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torso was missing ahead a left arm and the legs

493
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below the knees. It was covered in tattoos and clothed

494
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from the waist down. Whoever dismembered his body was in

495
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such a hurry that they cut through the clothes in

496
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the second tote, they found another torso covered by a

497
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red and white blanket. It was missing the head, both legs,

498
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and a right hand. The blade from a reciprocating saw

499
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,200
was lodged into the rib cage. It had a tattoo

500
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on the right shoulder and was clothed from the waist up.

501
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In the third tote, they found a single human thigh.

502
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In the fourth tote, they found a fully clothed and

503
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fully intact body of a female under a blanket. Her

504
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,079
hair was dyed blonde with streaks of red. She was

505
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curled in a fetal position and crammed into a fifty

506
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gallon bin. Each tote added a piece to the story.

507
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They found human remains, but also the tools used to

508
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,039
dismember them. They found black gloves and multiple knives covered

509
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:54,680
in blood. In the Thomis the Tank Engine themed toy box,

510
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:58,920
they found a head, two legs, and strands of hair

511
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,440
clinging to a bloody hacksaw. I don't think I have

512
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,319
to stress how unsettling it is to find this cruesome

513
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:11,960
scene inside a children's toy chest. It's downright nightmare inducing.

514
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,480
It was already one of the most disturbing crime scenes

515
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,319
in Albuquerque's history, and then they pulled back the tarp

516
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,000
in the front seat. Underneath was the complete body of

517
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a man. He was curled in a fetal position with

518
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:35,119
his knees on the floorboard. His arms were pinned under

519
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720
his body, and his head was forced into the seat back.

520
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,920
There was evidence of severe trauma to the head and face.

521
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,160
When they pulled the crumpled body out of the truck,

522
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they understood why underneath the body was a blood covered

523
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,839
short handled sledgehammer. It was clear that the body in

524
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the passenger seat was the owner of the Randall, from

525
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what officers could tell, looked like his license photo. Detectives

526
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
now had to find out why Randall was dead in

527
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his own truck with the dismembered bodies of three others.

528
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,359
They also needed to identify the man caught on airport

529
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,960
surveillance cameras parking the truck. But they started their investigation

530
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,759
with the address associated with Randall's license To help you, Johnathan.

531
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Speaker 4: With he's my brother, right, we did you're looking for him? Yeah?

532
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,039
Speaker 18: I really don't know where he is to be honest

533
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,839
with you, Okay, all he does is to receive his

534
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,000
mail here.

535
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,039
Speaker 10: Oh okay, okay, So where do you think he's living.

536
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,319
Speaker 18: I truly think he's living out of his vehicle. I

537
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,880
truly tell me why you think that? Because he's destitute,

538
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,759
he's broke. Okay, he's scraping for gas to put it

539
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:54,279
in the truck.

540
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,359
Speaker 1: Randall's brother Mark didn't seem surprised when police showed up

541
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,880
asking about him. Randall was homeless, living out of his truck.

542
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,839
He did random tree trimming to make money, but Mark

543
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,039
was adamant that Randall couldn't be responsible for anything that

544
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:10,839
required a police investigation.

545
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Speaker 10: What I will do, gentlemen, is I will give.

546
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Speaker 18: Can I get your name too down that way and

547
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:21,759
if you want to put your number two, I'll tell

548
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,200
you to call these guys if you're a person of

549
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,279
interest in a murder.

550
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 10: I'm kidding about that.

551
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, being a police officer is hard. Can you

552
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,039
imagine having a conversation with someone all the while knowing

553
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,319
that their brother is dead, but you can't tell them

554
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,960
because they haven't been positively identified yet. Just imagine how

555
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,880
painful that would be.

556
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,279
Speaker 18: But I'll just tell him your person of interest, yes,

557
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,799
and to talk to him so I don't know what's

558
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,599
what's going on.

559
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,359
Speaker 6: And even if you don't hear from him, but hear

560
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from somebody else that might know where he is.

561
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Speaker 12: Please call us.

562
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

563
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,839
Speaker 1: The police still couldn't divulge that information, not until lay

564
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,960
knew the connection to the other murders. Thankfully, they didn't

565
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,360
have to wait long. The Sheriff's office from Sibola County,

566
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,760
New Mexico called to explain that the descriptions of the

567
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,719
dismembered body parts matched the descriptions of three missing persons

568
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,639
in their jurisdiction.

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Speaker 19: Police so identified four bodies that were found in a

570
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vehicle at the Sunport on Friday. Three of the victims,

571
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,679
twenty one year old Matthew Miller, forty year old Justin Mata,

572
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,119
and thirty nine year old Jennifer Lannon, had been reported

573
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,159
missing out of grants back in January. Officials are investigating

574
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,599
how the fourth victim, sixty one year old Randall Apostolone,

575
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is connected to the other.

576
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: The heavily tattooed torso was identified as forty year old

577
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,119
Justin Mata, last seen by his girlfriend on January seventeenth.

578
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,280
The torso with a single shoulder tattoo was identified as

579
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,079
twenty one year old Matthew Miller, seen by his grandmother

580
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:05,559
on January twenty fourth. The intact female body was identified

581
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,559
as none other than thirty nine year old Jennifer Lannon,

582
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Shawn's ex wife. The Cibola Sheriff's office also told Albuquerque

583
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,519
detectives that all three were tied to drugs and that

584
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:22,079
their main suspect, Sean Lannon, had already likely fled to

585
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:22,760
New Jersey.

586
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,199
Speaker 17: We're just in that the multi state manhunt is now

587
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,239
over for a man wanting the connection with five murders.

588
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,559
Minutes ago, we learned that federal marshals captured Seawan Lannon

589
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,039
in Saint Louis, Missouri.

590
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Sewn fled New Mexico with his kids on March fourth.

591
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,360
The bodies in the truck weren't found until the following day,

592
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:45,480
March fifth. By March seventh, the local police and New

593
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:50,199
Jersey were already taking the kids from Shawn's family. Shawn

594
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
was on the run in Virginia. He spoke with police

595
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,079
that night. They told him they wanted to talk to

596
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,159
him and that they had already found the body his wife.

597
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,639
He agreed to return home, but never did. Instead, he

598
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,760
made a bee line for Mike's house. He arrived on

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00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,920
March eighth. By the time Sean was arrested on March tenth,

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,440
he had already made it all the way to Saint

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00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,320
Louis in Mike's car. He was caught sleeping inside. He

602
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,559
had some questions to answer.

603
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,679
Speaker 10: One day, I took a walk of Walmart person devils

604
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,239
stronger empty to get groceries. Hal if I were into

605
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,679
the walker, Rella was in my food car, turned around,

606
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,679
came back in the front door, went down the hallway

607
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:42,159
to get my food card on my dresser, and it

608
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,480
was quiet. When he had kids open the door. Gentlemen

609
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,400
est on their fucking. I knew they were. They were divorced.

610
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,400
Whenever I was like idiots, suck at the kids grabbing

611
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:55,760
a card.

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00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: Seeing Jen fucking another man didn't really face Sean. He

613
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,519
was just worried about the kids. He didn't see them

614
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:04,880
or hear them.

615
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 10: So called kids. Nothings on the door crush her mind.

616
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,159
Some palla blankets, mind of blankets.

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00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 9: Are the kids?

618
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Sean runs to his kids and picks up one of

619
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:16,920
his daughters.

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 10: Doesn't seem like any reasons to flip now against I could.

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00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: Feels his daughter is non responsive, barely breathing. He looks

622
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,320
at the other two kids. Neither one seemed to have

623
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,880
a pulse.

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00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 10: I'm flipping out, what the fuck you do? Justice putting

625
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,079
off his clothes comes in like done times and you're like,

626
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,639
they're fine, they're fine. I'm like to find that reason.

627
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,639
Fuck you do? Says when they drugged them something they medicine.

628
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: Justin assured Sean that he and Jen had done this

629
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,039
a hundred times. They drugged the kids so they would

630
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,559
go to sleep so they could fuck. Sean was livid

631
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,760
the room at the house. Immediately, Jen picked up their son,

632
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,639
the youngest. He showed no signs of pulse or breathing.

633
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Their baby was dead.

634
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 10: She kisses the kids on the forehead, all three of them.

635
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,239
She scares the jewel for shit.

636
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: Jen, believing she was responsible for the death of her kids,

637
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,800
didn't call for help. She went to the bedroom and

638
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,039
prepared her heroine. Sean, with his medic training from the military,

639
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,119
didn't give up so easily.

640
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 10: They said. They also blue a heroin smoke in her faces,

641
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,000
so they have nark hamon works looked around the fountain.

642
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: In case you don't know, nark Ann is a brand

643
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,039
name for a drug called the Loozone. It reverses the

644
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,679
effects of opioids. A person overdosing on opiates and near

645
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,519
death can be brought back in seconds with this drug,

646
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,440
but Sewan only found a single dose, so in a

647
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,079
matter of moments, he grabs some straw and some duct

648
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,000
tape and rigged a dual applicator. He placed it under

649
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,480
the noses of the two kids without a heartbeat. Normally,

650
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,639
people who overdosed snap awake, but with Sean's kids, nothing happened.

651
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,440
He was convinced they were beyond saving. He placed the

652
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,559
barely breathing daughter on the couch so that nanny would

653
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,840
see her when she arrived. With the other two kids dead,

654
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Sean felt like a failure. He no longer had a

655
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,280
reason to live.

656
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 10: That's a heroine. It was enough to take her life,

657
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,960
so they really should breathing.

658
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,079
Speaker 4: She was.

659
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,639
Speaker 1: Jen had shot up the rest of her heroine in

660
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,679
an attempt to end her life, but it wasn't enough.

661
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,239
She was breathing, and she wasn't going to die. Sean

662
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,599
psyched himself up for what he was about to do.

663
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,039
He blamed her over and over for their children's deaths,

664
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,320
and then, with.

665
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 10: The pistol on her head, pulled the trigger, come sick

666
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,800
later to put the pistol on my mouth. Man, Hello,

667
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,199
this is the past one teeth I am, His son

668
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,400
cried out. I was like, what the fuck you know?

669
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: Right before he pulled the trigger and blew his own

670
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,280
brains out. His son woke up and cried out, the

671
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:43,159
kids weren't dead. Sean immediately abandoned his suicide attempt. Now

672
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,039
the only problem was that he had already shot his

673
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,559
wife anyway.

674
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 10: I was living on bar time at that point, so

675
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,280
I need to get my kids are safe. Come.

676
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Sean knew he would eventually get caught, but he wanted

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to get his kids to his family so they wouldn't

678
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,079
be taken away. He starts preparing for their trip, but

679
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,800
can't shake his anger for Justin. He blames him for

680
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,880
the whole situation. He decides to kill him. He used

681
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,639
Jen's phone to text him that everything was fine and

682
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:17,440
to come over.

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00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 10: Oh well, still beating justin moultime my kids. It took

684
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,239
me like a week. They came to the house, the

685
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:34,320
launcher room connected to the garage. Kill him before I

686
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,159
kill him. He offered up a trade's phone hand pictures

687
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:46,679
of Shawn Michael stand them naked, in my living room.

688
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,480
I don't know what fuck his name is, William or

689
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:54,199
Matthew Miller, whever that thought his name is this fucking

690
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,519
dick on my sun shoulders.

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Speaker 1: In an attempt to save his life, Justin offered picks

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00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,039
to Sean. The pictures were of his naked son. On

693
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:08,920
one side of his son was Matthew Miller, On the

694
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,280
other was a man named Daniel Limos. Both had their

695
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,519
exposed penises resting on the little boy's shoulders. Shahn's childhood

696
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,880
trauma must have flooded back at that moment. He was

697
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,440
tempted to let Justin go until he confessed he was

698
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,440
the one who took the picture. Flashbacks of Uncle Mike

699
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,519
probably flooded his brain, along with all the unresolved feelings

700
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:40,519
of anger and shame. Then he realized why Justin had

701
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,239
the pictures. He was selling them.

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00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 10: He wanted He wanted to know if he could do

703
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,199
a Sean Harem for it. So I said, well, if

704
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,280
you find any events. He was looking down at the event,

705
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,760
you can see it coming shot him back. The head

706
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,000
disgusted me.

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Speaker 14: Cross.

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Speaker 1: Sean now had two murders to clean up, but he

709
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,280
wasn't done yet. Sean wanted to kill the two men

710
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,000
in the picture abusing his son. He tried to lure

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00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:17,000
them to the house one at a time. Eventually, Matthew

712
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Miller showed up alone.

713
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,159
Speaker 10: I asked him about the thing with He said that

714
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,920
it wasn't his idea, and I was like, you have

715
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,440
an interaction in the picture, like you force someone have

716
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,960
an direction in here? The child man shot him in

717
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,400
the garage, said disgusting.

718
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: This time, Sean planned ahead and lined the garage floor

719
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,960
with tarps and whatever he could find so there wouldn't

720
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,880
be much to clean up. But Matthew's body missed the fact.

721
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 10: Kid felt kind of weird and my hand was like

722
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,599
a part of bran and picked up his head, his hair,

723
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,719
and he kind of wiggled the back of one so

724
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,400
I had to contain it. Yeah, you're disgusting.

725
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: Sean was running out of time. Ever since he lost

726
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,159
his job, he'd been living off of unemployment, but with

727
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,719
gens let's say, spending habits, they were getting kicked out

728
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,079
of the house. The water and the electricity had already

729
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,239
been shut off. He didn't have time to get to

730
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,119
his next target.

731
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 10: And I've been trying to get Daniel L. Rose to

732
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:21,960
the house for froken weeks. He just wasn't that stupid.

733
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: His original idea when he started dismembering Justin and Matthew

734
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,920
was that maybe he could get away with it, maybe

735
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,239
he could cut them up small enough that he could

736
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,880
get rid of the pieces discreetly. But after he started,

737
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,679
he found out how hard it was and also how

738
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,199
utterly disgusting. He tried using a reciprocating saw to cut

739
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,239
through Matthew's torso, but rather than cut through the bone,

740
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,679
it got stuck and started violently shaking the corpse instead. Yeh,

741
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,480
that's terrifying. So he resorted to knives and hand sauce

742
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,800
and settled for just making them small enough to fit

743
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,199
in storage toats. He spent the better part of the

744
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,239
month cleaning the home. He ripped up the carpet and

745
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,119
scrubbed the garage floor. He used so much bleach that

746
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,079
he got blisters. Then came the time when he needed

747
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:24,199
to dispose of the bodies. He had a literal truckload

748
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,599
of storage bins. That's when he met Randall Apostolon.

749
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 10: And then meet up with Randy Says Movement.

750
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Sean didn't have a car, so he needed help moving

751
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:40,880
the toats. He asked around the street until he heard

752
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,920
about Randall or Randy. Randy was living out of his

753
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,159
truck and was always looking to make a quick buck.

754
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,440
Randy told Sean he could not only move his stuff

755
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,639
but also store it, but it would cost one hundred

756
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,079
and fifty bucks. He took him to one storage unit,

757
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,880
but it was full, so after driving around for a while,

758
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,599
Randy changed his mind. He told Sean it was going

759
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,280
to cost him another one hundred and fifty bucks.

760
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,679
Speaker 10: He just fleecees me for the one fifty. Tragic back

761
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,679
like eat your shit out, and I'm like what. He's like,

762
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:18,239
He's like, yeah, you look, I don't say nothing about

763
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,119
what's in the boxes. At that point, I'm getting a fight.

764
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,119
Speaker 1: Of course, Randy knew what was in the boxes. It

765
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,519
had been weeks at this point, even in the chile

766
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:35,440
temperatures of Albuquerque in February. The smell was starting to

767
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,599
point to signs of something something sinister.

768
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,159
Speaker 10: I think death. That's a smell that you're not going

769
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,239
to forget any something.

770
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: Soon, Randy knew. As Sean slowly realized, Randy knew he

771
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,360
was left with only one option. He had to kill him.

772
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440
If he ratted him out, he'd never get his kids

773
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,880
to safety. He had to for his kids.

774
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 10: He was in traversy. I couldn't hit him two or

775
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,679
three times in my hands, flipped the key at off position,

776
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:09,920
something my hand got sore. Hit him with the hammer.

777
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:15,440
I love a slatter. It's pretty discussing, huge potl chuck,

778
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:24,199
come on, sand or horrible, pretty horrible taking a pleasure

779
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,000
that I was discussing when my kids to be safe.

780
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,119
I could have failed that last year now.

781
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,039
Speaker 1: He claimed he took no joy in what he did

782
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,559
and that he did it all for the safety of

783
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:42,280
his kids. But Sean's story didn't end with Jen or

784
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,199
with Mike in custody. He would make a claim so staggering,

785
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,039
so horrifying, that investigators couldn't even believe.

786
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: It at first.

787
00:47:51,360 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: He said there were more, many more. Sean's childhood was

788
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,519
marked by sexual abuse. His adult life and marriage to

789
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:39,199
Jen unraveled under the weight of addiction and violence. He

790
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,480
killed four people in New Mexico, including Jen, and tried

791
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,760
to hide their bodies in a truck at the airport.

792
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,119
Days later, he showed up at Uncle Mike's house. Mike

793
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,079
was a mentor, a father figure, but he had abused

794
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:58,360
Sean as a child. That night ended with another brutal murder.

795
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,440
When cot he confessed, but when police thought he was done,

796
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:05,599
he had more to say.

797
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 10: And the one time I have stayed in the back

798
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,320
the kids one came in started beating the fuck out

799
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,800
of Gen. Okay, she's on the own, just pumped from

800
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,440
the face. I don't think he realized that was there.

801
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,199
Speaker 1: Sean saw the violence in his home against his wife,

802
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,280
near his children, and he lost it. He claimed this

803
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,400
was the first time he took a life.

804
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was always always something relative to my kids.

805
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: He claimed there were eleven others he killed connected to

806
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,239
Jen through drugs. When they came looking for the money

807
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,159
she owed and got violent, Sean would have to step

808
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:59,880
in to protect his kids. The lavatives, Sean claimed to

809
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:05,360
a dumped all eleven others in the Malpies. Apparently that

810
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,960
part of New Mexico has old lava tubes traveling deep underground.

811
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,519
If he threw any bodies in there, they'd never be found.

812
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,119
He admitted that if he hadn't been caught in Saint Louis,

813
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,280
he would have returned to New Mexico to hunt down

814
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,119
Daniel Limus and kill him. Sean didn't blame Jen for everything.

815
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,880
He blamed himself a lot too. But the kids deserved

816
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,679
better and that was his driving motivation. Jen's drug associations

817
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,320
put the kids in danger, but so did her neglect.

818
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, she was always heavilymbopic drugs. When I first

819
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,360
met her, it was pillows and then she lost her

820
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,079
nurse's license because of it. They just got it. She

821
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,440
just got a deeper and deeper and deeper with it.

822
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,119
Speaker 9: I know that he talked all the time about her

823
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:01,320
having boyfriends and at some point he thought she was

824
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,199
prostituting herself for drugs. She would be like a drug mule,

825
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,840
like if she came to New Jersey. They I didn't

826
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,360
even know they did stuff. They hide things in their bodies.

827
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,079
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about that Jennifer.

828
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 13: I mean, I've seen her get high in front of

829
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,599
the kids, beave her kids for hours, She never reached,

830
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,239
hit their diapers like they'd sit for days. They wouldn't

831
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,039
eat nothing.

832
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 1: Jen's addiction affected their kids before they were even born.

833
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,599
Their second daughter was born with a heart defect. What

834
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,519
a mom. And yes, I am victim blaming susan victim

835
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,639
blaming the drug addict. Horrible mother, that's probably better off

836
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:46,000
in the ground. Go tell your friends.

837
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 5: Becca and Savannah both had far problems. That was way

838
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,400
for us off. With Savannah, I mean she almost died though.

839
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,559
Speaker 2: She first was born.

840
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 12: Like, she's has.

841
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:57,199
Speaker 15: One venture born her heart.

842
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 5: She requires a lot more medical attention. The other children.

843
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,159
Speaker 10: She makes it to fifteen.

844
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 20: Twenty would be unless they come out with some new

845
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,639
medical technique. San has hard as she's also, yes, Shan

846
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,360
is not expected to have a full life. She's gonna

847
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,719
eat a pacemaker sooner than later. And Sean Mike wanted

848
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,000
to be detoxed when he was.

849
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,639
Speaker 9: Born, but the baby was born rug addicted, So when

850
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:30,800
the baby was born, Sean and myself had the whole

851
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,599
GENCD A baby coming off.

852
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:39,079
Speaker 10: From that was like, it's horrible just holding him and

853
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,280
these bodies racking me screaming.

854
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:46,039
Speaker 1: The short lives of those three children sound like utter turmoil.

855
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,280
Before Shawn's arrest, the kids were taken by the state.

856
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,039
After his arrest, the children went to Jen's brother Chris.

857
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,599
He noticed the neglect immediately.

858
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,639
Speaker 12: I mean when he came in, you could tell they

859
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:03,400
wrote malnourished. I mean, you can see it in their face,

860
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,840
and like I said, you could see their colors, like

861
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,519
their eyes were like sunken in almost like all around here.

862
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:10,800
You didn't look like they were not fed. You can

863
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,880
tell there's some definitely neglect there, some malnourishment. They had

864
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,119
trouble eating when we've sat down for dinner or anything

865
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,119
like that. And they're getting better. You can see in

866
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:26,239
their face they got better color, they're eating better, they're growing.

867
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
It seems like God knows what they've been through. I mean,

868
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,960
you know, if they were left alone to fend for themselves.

869
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,039
Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking to think of what those kids must have experienced.

870
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,079
But now they're safe. The way Sean Lannon was arrested

871
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:50,280
was about as peaceful away as a national manhood could end.

872
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:55,400
And when he was caught, he confessed, and he didn't

873
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,960
just confess once. He confessed in every jurisdiction in which

874
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:03,719
she committed a crime. He pleaded guilty in New Jersey

875
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,519
to the murder of Michael Dibkowski. He was sentenced to

876
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,199
thirty five years in prison. He pleaded guilty in New

877
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,960
Mexico for the murderers of Justin Matta, Matthew Miller, Jennifer

878
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:21,280
Lannon and Randall Apostolon. He was given fifteen years each

879
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,760
for sixty years total. They'll serve the thirty five years

880
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,000
in New Jersey first, then be transferred to New Mexico.

881
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 4: Murderer, now you live your life miserably, feel the pain

882
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,800
which you deserve to feel daily about taking the lives

883
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,599
of innocent people. I can only wish it be hell

884
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,119
on earth for your actions you committed.

885
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 21: I don't know what evil poisoned your heart and mind

886
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:55,039
that caused you to murder my brother rant will Postlot.

887
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:59,679
What deranged state of mind consumes you to murder your

888
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:06,000
ex Jennifer Lannon or Justin Madra, or Matthew Miller or

889
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:10,960
Michael Dapolski. I do wish that New Mexico had the

890
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,599
death penalty. The murderer deserves the death penalty.

891
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: Sean committed horrible, deplorable acts. He said he did it

892
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,079
for the sake of his children, But was he right?

893
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,039
I don't know. This is a tough one. What I

894
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,719
do know is this, if someone had harmed my kids,

895
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,639
I would be pretty relentless in protecting them. Not sure

896
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,960
if I'd murder someone, but you could probably push me

897
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,400
there with enough trauma. I think a lot of parents

898
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,159
would feel the same way. Sean loved his children, that

899
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,559
much is undeniable. But the love became twisted into enabling Jen,

900
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:59,400
into endangering the very kids he wanted to protect, and

901
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,599
finally in violence he couldn't take back. He saw horror,

902
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,039
he carried trauma, and he became a monster in trying

903
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,480
to fight monsters. I guess it's a good lesson for

904
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,440
us all. I don't excuse what he did, but I

905
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,360
also don't mourn every life he took. I can't feel

906
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,239
sympathy for people who prey on children or people who

907
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:31,960
put their own children in danger. That's the tension in

908
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,480
Sean's story. Love twisted into vengeance, protection warped into destruction.

909
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:43,760
And maybe the scariest part is this, Sean Lannon believed

910
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:48,199
he was doing the right thing. Isn't that something? How

911
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,880
often does that happen in society? When people who think

912
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,519
they're doing the right thing are just misinformed or tricked

913
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,840
by those with ulterior mode. You could do a lot

914
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,639
of harm trying to do the quote unquote right thing.

915
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,599
Speaker 13: I think what happened there was when he went to

916
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:13,440
a Jersey I think seeing those pictures of that situation

917
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,440
might have triggered something to do with Mike, and he

918
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:19,440
was like just one of those pictures out, you know,

919
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,360
that of Mike's possession, And I don't know.

920
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,519
Speaker 12: If there's truth to that, but I mean, I've just

921
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:27,000
heard that he's had pain in his life and that

922
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,119
I'm like, that probably makes sense knowing that. Okay, if

923
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,320
this happened to him as a kid, maybe that's why

924
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,480
he stayed offish. I guess it just makes sense if

925
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:38,800
that that really did happen. I mean, you know, I

926
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,639
can't imagine. I've never been through that, but I mean

927
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:43,719
I can imagine that would really torment him, and that's

928
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,440
why he felt like he needed to control certain situations.

929
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,639
Speaker 1: In the end, authority searched but never found evidence of

930
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:54,280
the eleven bodies Sean claimed were hidden in the lava tubes.

931
00:57:55,239 --> 00:58:00,960
Whether it was truth, exaggeration, or manipulation, nobody wherever recovered,

932
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:07,000
and those questions remain unanswered. They never found any proof

933
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,800
of any of the pictures either. Sean said he destroyed

934
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,960
Justin's phone and burned the photos Mike gave him. His

935
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:18,320
three children were placed in the care of family far

936
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,440
from the chaos. Their parents left behind, and Sean Lannon,

937
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:25,559
a man who said he killed to protect his kids,

938
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:31,880
will spend the rest of his life behind bars, unable

939
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:56,800
to protect anyone from anything ever again. After thirteen years

940
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,239
of doing this, I'm still trying to figure things out.

941
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:03,519
Is trying to figure out what's moral and just and

942
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,280
what isn't. So I just wanted to say that I

943
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,280
appreciate all of you. We stick around for it.