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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to the New

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Year's Eve postgame Hang. The Clippers just got their asses

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handed to them by the San Antonio Spurs. Nothing went right.

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They couldn't win the wemby minutes, they couldn't win the

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non wemby minutes. They looked tired, they looked bad. It's

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I don't think there's a whole bunch to read into

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this other than the fact that this team is really

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gonna be very excited when Kawhi Leonard comes back. But

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I mean it was. It was crazy. This was an

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exhausted team running into a generational player in Victor Wimbinyama,

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who had he probably played twenty six minutes in this game,

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and he had twenty seven to nine, five assistant three blocks.

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A horrible game by the Clippers. Kind of all around

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shooting wasn't there. Turnovers were lazy like this game. This

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game went about as bad as you could have thought

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it would go, which makes sense if you watched what

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happened yesterday versus the Pelicans. It was not good. If

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you're new to the show, I'm gonna put this out

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on audio as well. I am Chuck Mockler, Adam Oslin

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and Will Updike are all team they are I think,

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I mean, Adam's working right now and Will is I

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believe unavoidably. But yeah, thank you for joining us, Mark

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Jack saying first thanks Mark, way to be on the ball,

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someone is. The Clippers were not tonight. Yeah, So in

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case you missed it, they barely got by the the

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Pels last night, which was which was a combination of

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looking tired and the Pelicans just having an unconscious night

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from outside. They had to play a bunch of minutes.

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Norm had to play forty minutes last night. It just

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wasn't what it was supposed to be against the Pelicans,

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and it set the Clippers up for failure tonight. Basically,

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Harden and Zoo were over thirty five minutes against the

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Pells too. Chris Dunn had to play thirty two. This

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is a tough game to go into, but the Clippers

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could have been a lot better. I'm not excusing how

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the Clippers played at all, but that was bad. That

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was really bad. I like where John is here. Ending

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the year of over five hundred was not in my

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preseason expectations, but I love it. Yeah, let's we could

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take a quick step back from whatever the hell that

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performance was from kind of all of the Clippers. No

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one was very good in this game tonight. In the

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first quarter, James Harden scored thirteen the Clippers seventeen points,

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didn't score in the second quarter. Everyone just looked gassed.

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If you watched this game and you saw that the

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Clippers were losing the non wemby minutes in the first half,

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it kind of just felt like, oh shit, like this,

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this isn't gonna be good. Yeah. I figured there were

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gonna be some people upset. Uh sorry, uh Jonah, that's

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my bad. I figured people were gonna be upset about

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KPJ's performance two games is of inefficient shooting. I believe

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he was a plus in the Pelicans game, though, And

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if you are on the Clippers bench and you do

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have a positive plus minus, that is that's not the

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easiest thing to do. He was bad tonight, But that's

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not why the Clippers lost the game at all. The

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Clippers lost the game because they were exhausted and no

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one could hit a three twenty from the line, not

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twenty seven percents a little skewed because Buns went one

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for six the starter. Everybody was pulled. Everyone who plays

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meaningful maskowall minutes to the point that they could be

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pulled were pulled. Like five minutes left in the third

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is when the is when the white flag came up.

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It was not good. A guy like Zoo, who is

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usually efficient, was not And if Zoo is inefficient and

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no one else is, things are gonna be bad. Just

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not good. Uh, Zoo played well against the Pels and

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then just exhausted tonight. He only played twenty two minutes.

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We saw seven minutes of obamba, which was not good.

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Zach Collins looked great. The Clippers made Zac Collins look

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so good tonight. You was bringing this up saying Zoo

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couldn't even score on Zach Collins. You're absolutely right, no

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one could. It didn't make any damn sense. It just

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shows the fatigue of this team. They're exhausted. They have

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OKC on the second, which who knows how that's going

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to go. I will say the focus, the focus clearly

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is on Okay. See with how Tye played the minutes tonight,

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he knew guys retired. This game was lost. It's not

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my favorite thing to happen getting your ass kicked by

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forty and then just being like, well, we got to

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play in two days. But now you know, it shifts.

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I think it shifts my attention more to the OKAC game.

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I'm like, hell yeah, let's go out and we should

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be rested, right, most minutes of starter played was norm

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at twenty six. The starters will be well rested. The

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bench will be well rested too, because guys like bones Kai,

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let's hope they they manage to look good there. Yeah.

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So the backup center thing, I tweeted this from the

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Clippers pod count that drunkenly tonight. I'm sure I'm going

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to bring up how bad the Clippers backup center lineage

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has been since they basically chose John Wall over Isaiah Hartenstein.

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It's just been I mean, Daniel Tyson Mason Publy at

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the same time were the best combination, and even that

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which we saw in the playoffs was bad. Yes, cheers,

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and it's cheers to a good twenty twenty five. We're

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not cheersing to this game. The KPJ thing is weird.

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get some of those minutes if you can show that

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he can initiate the offense. KPJ. Bones isn't taking KPJ's minutes.

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We've talked about that on the show before. KPJ does

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do things better than Bones that aren't scoring the basketball.

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But Terrence Man, I think should have a shot at

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taking some of KPJ's minutes because those you you just

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never know what you're getting. It's it's just so up

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and down. I don't know when he's a plus, he's

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finding other guys, the game is slow for him and

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stuff like that. So yeah, I don't know. Tonight was

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a burn the tape game. I don't think too much

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can be drawn from this. Yes, you a fantastic point.

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Just four more days so Kawhi comes, please my lord. Yeah,

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there hasn't been any updates on the Kawhi timeline. He's

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he's been practicing with the San Diego Clippers during this break.

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That's why he's not on the road trip with the Clippers.

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It wasn't like an flamed injury thing or anything like that.

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practice it's a three and four on the road, and

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he didn't have to practice, So let's hope that target

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date is the same thing. I'm sure we're gonna hear

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some news about it. That Mexican nar with a great point.

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What a Clipper New Year, perfectly fitting Clippers New Year.

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Not completely unsurprising to those of us who have been here,

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maybe too long, but we maybe we saw some of

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this coming. I don't know, yes, So Jonah, thank you.

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Brings up a good point about Terrence Man. He's played

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point guard and started at point guard for US many

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times in the past, even though that was a different

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iteration of this team. Very true. He's more capable of

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initiating an offense than Chris Dunn. That's not a That's

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not a knock on Chris Dunn. Overall, Chris Dunn is

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a much better defender, but in terms of initiating the offense,

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which does seem to be Tyler's biggest worry or you

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know thing with whoever the backup point guard is, Terrence's

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probably is a better option than Chris Dunn, and hopefully

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maybe KPJ. It's gonna take Terrence some time. Though he's

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been off the condition he's gonna have to get there,

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and Terrence's return kind of coincides with with Kawhi com back,

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so there's gonna be this minute's crunch coming up the

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tyler has to figure out. So it's kind of a

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double edged sword on this. Mark Jaggs saying, if you're

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serious about winning now, KPg isn't the answer. But if

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you're playing for the future, that may be playing make so.

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see what you have in KPJ. But they also can't

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not play him. I know that's not I haven't been

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a big fan of his minutes, but he's the only

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one who can initiate the offense. He defends better, and

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he's a better rebounder than the other backup point guard options.

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were tonight, and they were not good. Emir had fourteen,

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which will take Bones had seven, Kobe had five. It

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wasn't good. It's also skewed because they played so many minutes.

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We should look at the star scorers because the starting

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scorers tonight were very bad. Uh Norm had fifteen points

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on twelve shots. Harden had seventeen points on eleven, so

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that wasn't crazy, but no one else had more than seven.

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Chris Dunn only took six shots, Zoo took seven but

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only made two, Dereck Jones two for five, So like

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there no one, no one could get it killing and

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it just and it was so the thing like, look,

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you come into this game and it's clear that Wemby

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makes a huge difference on and off the court for

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the Spurs, and when they're playing the Clippers, when Wemby's

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on the floor, they Clippers have to become a perimeter offense,

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which they're not. They have to get to the paint.

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That's their whole thing, drivekickswing paint and spray whatever you

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want to call it. When Wemby's out there. It was

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just there was nothing the Clippers offense could do, coupled

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with the fact that they were exhausted. So like this

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this was a perfect storm game. I know we were

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pretty high on the last full episode we did with

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the show, thanks for hanging. It's using three of us,

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but we're doing a little New Years I've hanged, but

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this one liked that Yeah, it just it perfect storm

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to get the shit kicked out of you, which sucks.

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I don't know. Big things coming in twenty twenty five.

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Supposedly Kawhi Leonard's return is going to be there, well hopefully,

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so that's a good thing. I don't know, drop what

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you're most excited about from the Clippers twenty twenty four

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so far? Looking at Okac again, I don't. I don't.

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This is crazy Mark Jack saying Kawhi is it coming

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a distraction? I hate to say it. Does the fact

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that he's probably coming back in five days change any

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of that, because when he's back, he's not a distraction,

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and that happens in five days, so I think, I mean,

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if it's only five days of distraction. I also don't

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think practicing with Kawhi and playing without him as part

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of their problem, because they haven't been practicing with him

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on this trip and they've only done it's been four

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five on fives practic No, it's not. That's not far

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of their problem. They haven't been like complete dog shit,

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don't think he's a distraction because a he's not with

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the team right now on the road trip, so I

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don't think he's a distraction. And if he is a distraction,

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he's coming back in like six days. So it seems fine.

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Clips got the Thunder, they should be rested. Now that

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they're rested, I'm very much looking forward to this Thunder matchup.

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We can see everybody go all out again. Not a

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lot of minutes played by the starters because they were

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they were bad. It was such a bad like Clippers

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were down twenty at one point, was like, yeah, they

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deserve like twenty of these. This wasn't a fluke. The

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Pels game was crazy. They didn't play well in the

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Pels game. I thought a lot of that was they

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were just tired and they ran into the randomness that

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is playing the Pelicans and they're shooting from outside, specifically

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against the Clippers, and then they run into a guy

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who is one of the best players in the world

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in Wemby and he only had to play twenty whatever minutes.

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So not the biggest uplift going into twenty twenty five.

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But I believe someone mentioned in the comments earlier the

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Kawhi is coming back, which feels good. The Clippers do

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in terms of strength of schedule, have a fairly easy

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ish strength of schedule for the rest of the way.

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To go looking at the standings, which we're going to

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change basically like every day. Now Clippers are nineteen and fourteen,

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they're down to the seventh spot, so don't look at

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the standings too much, because again, every day they're going

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to change. I'm saying this partly to myself. Clippers are

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a game back of the four seed right now. Is

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kind of just for context, right, So the four seed,

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the four seed, and the nine seed are separated by

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three games, so the Clippers most likely are going to

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be terrifying standings wise and oscillating between the four, you know,

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the four and the eight or the four and the Yeah,

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kind of the four in the eight would be my guest,

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But that's what happens. Nineteen and fourteen. Oh no, dog

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eight saying this game sent me in to depression. Don't

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be depressed from this game. Don't be that depressed from

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this game. If they get washed by OKC next week.

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What day is it, It's Tuesday. If they get washed

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by okay, see, then maybe slip into appression, a depression.

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But this game, if this game won't this game shouldn't

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have sent you into a depression. I don't think who

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am I to comment on your depression. But there's other

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things not this game nick Rama saying, give me all

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the post. I'll overreaction. Trade talk. First of all, we

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got to trade the whole starting five. No, no one's

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actually brought up trades so far, which I appreciate. There's

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no one really to trade for on the Clippers. It's

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like an interesting trade. We talked about this a little

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bit of the last episode, where it's just like the

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highest trade values. Norm and I don't think they're trade

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Norm because I'm just thinking about the locker room right.

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A basketball on court aside training, Norm, I think would

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destroy this locker room. Mark Jagg with an interesting comment saying,

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I think the starting four should be hard, Norm Kawhi Zoo.

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The fifth spot should be situational. For example, they should

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start done versus the Hawks. We might see something like this.

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I don't think it's that crazy that we might see this. Sometimes.

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Derek Jo's junior is undersized for the four by about

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like four inches. I'm like, I think like twenty pounds

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based on the average power forward. But we'll see it's

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gonna take. I don't know, TYLERU wants less shit to

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figure out, I think rightfully so as the starting as

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the head coach. So I don't know how much we'll

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see that. We might see it in the beginning a

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little bit. Maybe they switched some stuff around, but it's

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interesting they do. There is kind of this weird minutes

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crunch coming up. I'm not saying like this that some

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guys you know, should be out or whatever, but you

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just look at the rotation and I don't know if

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Tyler wants eleven guys in it. You know they they

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have to play sparingly. One of the backup fives bamba

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Uh not good. Kuai Jones also not very good. But

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that's here we go. I love this from Elgony. Can

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we go get someone like yakam Perle or another mid

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ass backup five with the bones PJ and Kaimo package.

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I hope so because I love I love the qualification here,

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the mid ass backup five. That's all the Clippers need.

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The level of backup fives is like it's there's such

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a cliff pretty quickly when you start looking at backup centers,

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where like there's just guys who are like The Clippers

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have two on their roster right now who were not good.

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So it's like, I don't know, let me look up

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Pearls contract. Okay, he's making kind of a weird amount.

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I don't think they could get Pearl's making like twenty

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million year, so I don't think that's crazy. Okay, so

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Pearl's out, But I like where your head's at. Algony

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Jonah is the best saying. Sorry to backtrack, but thoughts

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on the defensive scheme to not let Zoo guard Wemby,

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they had to do something. It's a scheme that you're

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only really gonna see against the Spurs because he handles

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the ball so much and stuff like that. But uh,

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you gotta try something right because Wemby pulls your center out,

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you know what I mean. So if if Zoo's on Wemby,

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Zu's pulled out, and then the rim protection is just

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even worse, and so you kind of have to have

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this weird It could be anybody, But I don't know.

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It didn't work, I'll say that much. But that is

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a great question, Jonnah, Thank you, thank you for asking that.

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I don't know it was. It didn't work tonight, so

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who knows? They play with burds like two or three

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more times. I think, which kind of sucks. So I

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guess you know that's interesting. We got a couple more

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minutes here and then I'm gonna cut out because I

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do have to get ready to ring in the new Year.

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I hope everyone's having an enjoyable New Year. Everyone has

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a safe time. If you're going to a house party,

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if you're going to a bar, be safe. I like

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this point by that Mexican Nara. I think a second

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ballhandler should be the focus for a playoff runt. I

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think they're gonna I agree. I think we're gonna see

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they're gonna give Terrence a run at that, like, hey,

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it's your turn, man. Now. Of all the times that

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Terrence has come in clutch playing a random position for

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the Clippers, being able to be a trustworthy secondary ball

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handler would be his most valuable switch at this point.

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Because this Clippers team, you bring Kawhi Leonard back, and

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you look at the roster and how Tyler has been

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coaching this year with the help of JVG, this is

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an annoying ass team to play in the playoffs. If

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they get the four spot home court with the into

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it Dome. That'll be crazy. I feel a lot different

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if they're a play in team, just because of the

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track record of successful playing teams. But if they're not

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a playing team, they have a shot at being incredibly

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annoying and a very difficult out, which is an awesome

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place to be because you can play free or all

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that good stuff. But yeah, I totally agree with the

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secondary ball handler point secondary ball handler in the backup

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five because we got to give Zoo some rest. Zoo's

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looks tired that it's just kind of a thing about Zoo.

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You gotta deal with it, which sucks because he gets

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a little gassed sometimes. But that's where we're at. It's

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on to Oklahoma. I haven't talked about that matchup a

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bunch because I don't have the two other experts here

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with me as usual William Updiken had to Oslin. But

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everyone should be rested, obviously. It's a tough matchup. Shay

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had forty five the last time played the Thunder. We

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need a bounce back from everybody in this game, and

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I also we need to bounce back. Harden's turners have

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been crazy the last couple of games. He had a

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one to five assist to turnover ratio tonight, which is terrible,

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just bad, and that neat that can't happen against okay see,

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someone is putting a French comment up. I do not

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know French. I apologize if there's anything negative on here.

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Don't know what to tell you. But I appreciate you watching.

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I'm very thank you for watching. I'll get to translate

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on this and we will respond over in the comments.

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Let us know the comments. What do you think is

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gonna happen against the Thunder? Really hope they get the

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win again. The Clippers will have rest for the starters

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and most of the core bench guys. And then after that,

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okay see game. We're getting closer and closer to Kawhi

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Leonard's return after okay see then the target date of

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January fourth, on Saturday, Kawi Leonard. As of now, as

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of six thirty eight pm, we should we should have

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some news soon hopefully on that. So yeah, here's to

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the Clippers doing everything the opposite that they did tonight

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versus Spurs when they face up with the Thunder. Thanks

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for hanging out, Thank you for a wonderful twenty twenty four.

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Just for myself, Will and Adam. Thank you all for subscribing.

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Thanks for hanging out on these live streams. Check out

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our other episodes. Yeah, oh wait, here we go. We

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got the comment in English. Thank you so much. Genian

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Jean Yan said, first of all, I don't understand why

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the Clippers play travel and play on New Year's Day. Agree.

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I find this very perverse. Agree. Then regarding Mobamba despite

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his large size, yeah, he's not good. I'm using perverse

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more in twenty twenty five, Thank you so much for this.

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I genuinely appreciate it. As I was saying, thank you

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everyone for hanging out supporting the show this year. Here's

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to bigger and better results for the Clippers in twenty

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twenty five. Kawhi Leonard's coming back which is awesome. Terrence

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Man's coming back is gonna be a huge boost to

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the bench. Don't forget how good Amir and Terrence looked

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off from the bench before he got hurt. From our

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hearts to yours, happy twenty twenty five. I hope your

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kneears is wonderful and safe and as always, let's go

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