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<v Speaker 1>Election Headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>Your long economic nice mare will very soon be over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be over. Fifty five cars be Talkstation

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<v Speaker 1>eight oh five, the thirty five kr CD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Every Friday Eve, God bless the American veterans and thanks again.

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<v Speaker 1>Already made it a CVG last night for the return

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<v Speaker 1>of the Honor Flight folks. More than twenty five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people showed up to celebrate and salute the American veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>most notably the eighty Vietnam veterans who did not get

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<v Speaker 1>much of a welcome when they came home after serving

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<v Speaker 1>their country. And someone who knows all about this, my

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<v Speaker 1>next guest, Alison Feening. Allison is a dedicated mental health

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<v Speaker 1>professional with over a decade of experience in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of mental health. She founded in twenty seventeen this wonderful organization,

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<v Speaker 1>Pinpoint Behavioral Health Solutions, which you can find online at

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<v Speaker 1>PINPOINTBHS dot BHS dot com, where she and her team

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<v Speaker 1>specialized in providing essentral support support to first responders and

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<v Speaker 1>military communities. Licensed to practice in Ohio, Kentucky, and Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Nominated for awards and award winning, she is acknowledged as

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful professional in the field of mental health. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a pleasure to have you on the program, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for what you're doing for the American veteran. Alison Feening, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if I'd read your entire resume, we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any time to talk about what you're doing for

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<v Speaker 1>the American veterans. Let's just cut to the Chase PENPOINTBHS

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. You offer all kinds of mental health services

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<v Speaker 1>at your.

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<v Speaker 2>Organization, Yeah, we certainly do. We are the largest mental

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<v Speaker 2>health outpatient private practice in Ohio for first responders, emergency workers, military,

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<v Speaker 2>active and veterans and their family members.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I see that you do individual counseling, but

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<v Speaker 1>also couples as well. I expose of someone struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>mental health, that's certainly could have a profound impact on

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does. I mean, if you think of any

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<v Speaker 2>of our stress and current economic strains that we have

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<v Speaker 2>and groceries and how that can just strain our day

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<v Speaker 2>to day operations in our home, and then think of

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<v Speaker 2>the stress of going on deployment and or the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of stress that our first responders and military have experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know a key opponent of any type of

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<v Speaker 2>change is including all of the family and any of

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<v Speaker 2>their support people, and so that's really important. So we

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<v Speaker 2>do counseling outpatient, individual counseling. We have done couples and families.

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<v Speaker 2>We have several locations. We also have equine E M

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<v Speaker 2>d R, the only ones in the area to do

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<v Speaker 2>equine EMDR, which is freaking amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you brought that up yourself, because that

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be the next question because I am not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with equine E M d R. And I why

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<v Speaker 1>did you explain that? Because equine of course we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about horses here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so EMBR. Yeah, so people don't know. Em DR

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the only three evidence based treatments for PTSD.

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<v Speaker 2>It could also be done on lots of other things.

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<v Speaker 2>And E MDR scenes for eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird, but it's but it's incredible. I have we

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<v Speaker 2>have four clinicians and our practice trained in it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then additionally our clinicians Sabrina Menry, she runs our equine

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<v Speaker 2>program out in Claremont County. We have a farm with

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<v Speaker 2>three horses and some days they can act or outy

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<v Speaker 2>because if anyone who knows courses knows they have bold

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<v Speaker 2>personalities too. And Sabrina does a great job in incorporating

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<v Speaker 2>the equine EMDR. She is fully licensed and trained and

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<v Speaker 2>that trained and doing that. And so EMDR uses what's

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<v Speaker 2>called bilateral stimulation to go back and forth in the

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<v Speaker 2>hemispheres of the brain to change how an event has

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<v Speaker 2>an impacted you. We don't delete the memory, it just

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<v Speaker 2>reprocess it so it no longer disturbs you or distrusses you.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you think of let's say you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>car accident or something bad in your life has happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and anytime you think of it, you get really emotional

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<v Speaker 2>or you shake, or you have these maladaptive symptoms. Doing

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<v Speaker 2>EMDR on its own can help alleviate and eliminate some

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Additionally, doing e fine. Is this the whole

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<v Speaker 2>nother ballgame that it's just it's so fascinating in the

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<v Speaker 2>science and the research behind it. And they're doing that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot with veterans, and there's different organizations doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for free with thats and there's it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it a form and forgive me for boiling

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<v Speaker 1>it down to something I think that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it relatable to at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least my understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like a form of a meditation in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that you know you have a traumatic event. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of these guys who went around kicking doors in

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<v Speaker 1>and Fallujah, were always under constant threat of death and

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<v Speaker 1>they had to get up every single day and do

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<v Speaker 1>that same thing over and over again multiple times. That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to put you on edge. That is going to

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<v Speaker 1>put you at a high level level of adrenaline for

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<v Speaker 1>a long, long period of time, and once you're taking

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<v Speaker 1>out of that environment, it's like you can't shut it off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the problems you struggle with post traumatic stress.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, if you're struggling with that anxiety, the emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>the adrenaline, the memories of all that, is it attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to like sort of free your mind of the thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>and put you in a better place like meditation does it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not meditation. Mindfullness based exercises and meditation work is

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<v Speaker 2>more of a coping skill or preventive method, right. This

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<v Speaker 2>is actively reprocessing those memories to change how they're stored.

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<v Speaker 2>In the brain, so that when you think of having

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<v Speaker 2>to Let's say you're a police officer and you were

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<v Speaker 2>overseas and you think of that situation overseas, and now

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<v Speaker 2>you go on a call and it's very similar situation. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>You're no longer having the same reaction, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>focus and not get tunnel vision and not have your

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<v Speaker 2>heart rate up. You know, you're still going to be

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<v Speaker 2>heart right up because you're doing some stuff that causes stress. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>You're no longer going to be associated with the past memories.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. So retraining the brain to reprocess or process in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way, all right, And then to the fundamental point,

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<v Speaker 1>cutting to the chase. How do the horses help accomplish that?

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<v Speaker 2>So the horses provide a different therapeutic art in opponent

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<v Speaker 2>to helping the person ground themselves. There is a form

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<v Speaker 2>of rhythmic writing, so if you are a horse person

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<v Speaker 2>out there, even just riding a horse can be very therapeutic,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we incorporate both. A lot of what we

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<v Speaker 2>do is groundwork. They're not normally riding our legal purposes

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<v Speaker 2>people and some people don't like horses, which is fine too,

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<v Speaker 2>and so sometimes it's just brushing, and you can actually

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<v Speaker 2>do this with your pet at home. You have your

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<v Speaker 2>pet and pets, you know, especially dogs, if they're on

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<v Speaker 2>your lap and you're just going back and forth with

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<v Speaker 2>petting them and you're just back and forth with your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very similar to the same type of thing

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<v Speaker 2>that we can do with horses. So horses just bring

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<v Speaker 2>a totally different element. We're outside, which most of our

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<v Speaker 2>veterans and responders don't really like being indoors in an office,

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<v Speaker 2>they can you know, move around, we can eviilize the horse,

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<v Speaker 2>and then if somebody doesn't want the horse, we also

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<v Speaker 2>have those typical standard as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic and being a lifelong dog owner, I certainly understand

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<v Speaker 1>how the calming effect that a loving animal can have

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<v Speaker 1>on your mental state, because you know, it certainly works

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<v Speaker 1>that way with me. Alison. Now moving over to something

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask. I thought, it's an interesting way

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<v Speaker 1>of phrasing it. I think I get it. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>neck up? Check up?

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<v Speaker 2>Great question, thank you. So let me go back a

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<v Speaker 2>little a little bit on why we are here in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen. If you happen to remember a retired Assistant

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Ship Terry died by suicide. Yes, and when that occurred,

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<v Speaker 2>we had actually several suicides in our area of first responders.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you already know most folks know the rate

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<v Speaker 2>of death by suicide for our veterans. And at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>my husband's a fireman, and we were like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>we do? He spiraled and so we created this business. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>when we started looking at the suicide rates between our

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<v Speaker 2>veterans and our first responders, we identified why aren't what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on beforehand? Why are we only stopping them believe

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<v Speaker 2>when it's happening, And so my team and myself we

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<v Speaker 2>do these things called neckup checkups. There are annual mental

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<v Speaker 2>health wellness check ins with a mental health professional that

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<v Speaker 2>we have with our departments to help just hey, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I'm actually in the current process of trademarking it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a very long process to trademark. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever trademarked something, it's expensive. And what we have found

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<v Speaker 2>is in our state and currently in Ohio, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>set standard for the medical professions to have annual mental

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<v Speaker 2>health checks. Like when you have a child, you go

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<v Speaker 2>to your annual wellness check. Well, there's nothing for mental

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<v Speaker 2>health in different states. The state of Massachusetts just created

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<v Speaker 2>a wall in April that it is required or it

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<v Speaker 2>is approved, that the insurance companies cover annual mental health checks,

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<v Speaker 2>which is freaking awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so current.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really fascinating. I talked to the Attorney general

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<v Speaker 2>out there to get the information, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>create a law here in Ohio, but time time is

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<v Speaker 2>not always on my side. So what we do is

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<v Speaker 2>every year the individuals we work with have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to meet with us, with one of our team members

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<v Speaker 2>to check in to help prevent any stressors they're going on,

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<v Speaker 2>talk about any resources they may need, linked them to stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've actually seen it prevent suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>That is absolutely incredible, because, you know, identifying folks that

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling with suicidal ideation that usually is either going

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<v Speaker 1>to come from the person struggling with it if they're

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<v Speaker 1>honest enough to admit it to a family member, or

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<v Speaker 1>a family member notices that they're having some challenges and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of brings it to the attention of someone who

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<v Speaker 1>can help out, like maybe one of the Veteran Services

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<v Speaker 1>commissioned or in the case of you, would be pinpoint

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<v Speaker 1>BHS dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the veterans are commission in their crisis line is awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we provide crisis services for our current apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyone who contracts with us, we do provide that

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<v Speaker 2>as a service because we know sometimes for our special

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<v Speaker 2>populations like our veterans and our military, calling a nine

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<v Speaker 2>eight A or the National Stupide Hotline, they don't always

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<v Speaker 2>get it. And so everyone on our team is either

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<v Speaker 2>some form, shape, way, shape or form connected with either

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<v Speaker 2>military or first responder. And that's very important to me

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<v Speaker 2>because I want them to understand we get it to

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<v Speaker 2>some capacity. I'm never going to completely understand if you

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<v Speaker 2>were over in Iraq. I'm never going to completely understand

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<v Speaker 2>if you are in a use of for situation, but

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<v Speaker 2>we at least can understand to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Degree, indeed well, the whole idea of an annual mental

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<v Speaker 1>health checkup. I guess I I wish it was more

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<v Speaker 1>readily available or more embraced by the medical community generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>because it would go along way to help destigmatize the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea of getting mental health services. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>see the numbers increasing, and I think the statistical increase

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<v Speaker 1>in people saying or acknowledging they have mental health issues

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<v Speaker 1>has been brought about largely because we are now embracing

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<v Speaker 1>and accepting the concept of seeking some help when we

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<v Speaker 1>need it. You know, it's like, okay, it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you're seeing a shrink kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, we've definitely gone to this separate side of

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<v Speaker 2>the pendulum. We've swung all the way to the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>which can be a good and a not so good

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<v Speaker 2>thing in our folks, because the loads out now on

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<v Speaker 2>the mental health field is there's not enough of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's definitely not enough of.

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<v Speaker 1>Us to serve this right to serve others.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So we're actively I'm actively networking. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>global networking organization that we connect with the responder therapists

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<v Speaker 2>and military therapists all over the all over the world

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<v Speaker 2>to help link and resource and connect and like what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in this part of the country. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's free services, there's free sessions, there's free there's funders,

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<v Speaker 2>there's different things that people just don't know where to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And so a lot of what I do is that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that legwork from underneath the table of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get people connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, and I note that you do offer telehealth, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in twenty twenty. Before twenty twenty oh High was

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<v Speaker 2>what's called a parody state where it didn't approve the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance wouldn't approve telehealth for any type of provider medical

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<v Speaker 2>in the medical field. And so after twenty twenty in

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<v Speaker 2>COVID hit which is probably a good thing, that telehealth

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<v Speaker 2>is an option for any type of mental health professional

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<v Speaker 2>in the state. And then we have opportunity to provide

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<v Speaker 2>services in seven states with Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Florida, Virginia, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>and Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. And again it's PINPOINTBHS dot com for all the information.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a hip, a compliant, This is all confidential communications.

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<v Speaker 1>You're healing. Indeed, it's important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we wouldn't be where we're at if people didn't

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<v Speaker 2>trust us. So we just want to thank everyone that

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<v Speaker 2>believes and trust. I mean that's and we think those

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<v Speaker 2>that are serving the serving those that serve.

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<v Speaker 1>Us well, it is a beautiful concept. I can't thank

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<v Speaker 1>you enough for helping out the first responders and most

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<v Speaker 1>notably my veteran friends out there who again statistically much

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<v Speaker 1>higher rate of suicides. We get a handle on that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't thank you enough, Alison Feening and your

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<v Speaker 1>team at PINPOINTBHS dot com for all you do. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>recommend my veteran then first responder friends at the extent

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<v Speaker 1>they need some assistance, head on over to the site,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, and enjoy the benefits of these wonderful services. Allison,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, God bless everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a real pleasure having you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>It's eight nineteen. We'll have iHeart Media aviation expert Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Rattliffe at the bottom of the hour. Always enjoy those conversations.

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