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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Iconic Studio a here at proven

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<v Speaker 1>Winners Color Choic Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 1>Show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist, and our engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well Stacy, today, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm and repetition. They're important landscape design principles that provide

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<v Speaker 1>cohesion in a landscape, in other words, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of belonging in a landscape, and they can create

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<v Speaker 1>a mood in a landscape. Rhythm is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>visual movement or flow that guide your eye through a landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>And Stacy, I've learned through the years that people in

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<v Speaker 1>general like patterns and similarities. You feel comfortable with them.

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<v Speaker 2>People love patterns and similarities in things like clothes and

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<v Speaker 2>home decor. But it always amazes me that when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to DIY, landscaping and gardening, it's a concept that

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<v Speaker 2>most people just completely miss out on interpreting. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>honestly one of the simplest, easiest, most sure fire design

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<v Speaker 2>concepts that you can implement in your garden. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this, and I speak from experience, using concepts

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<v Speaker 2>of rhythm and repetition of like the same plant repeated

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the garden is easy, it saves you money, and

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<v Speaker 2>it covers a multitude of other design sins. By establishing

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<v Speaker 2>that structure through repetition and rhythm, you can get away

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<v Speaker 2>with so much more beyond that, it makes a huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, you're basically creating a hierarchy in the landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a sequence of spaces, a theme like we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a few weeks ago with my landscape near

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<v Speaker 1>the beach using grasses, various grasses, a re pedd element,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. To do that, and rhythm and repetition

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<v Speaker 1>go hand in hand. Rhythm is the repetition of elements

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<v Speaker 1>to create a sense of movement, flow and unity. Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that very often. It's poignant in Japanese gardens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I really.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, definitely example.

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<v Speaker 1>So similar elements multiple times in a landscape, unity, harmony

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<v Speaker 1>and order, and yeah, a lot of times you know

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about harmony. There's a great correlation between music,

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<v Speaker 1>creating music, playing music, and the landscape as far as

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<v Speaker 1>repetition is concerned and dynamics. Now, to celebrate this, I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote you a little little a rick about rhyme and repetition.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course a limerick better rhyme. So I got that

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<v Speaker 1>part covered. But here you go. Repetition it ain't so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Repetition is in my yard one plant, but I have many.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent a pretty penny. Just put it on my

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<v Speaker 1>credit card. Repetition it ain't so hard. Repetition is in

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<v Speaker 1>my yard. One plant, but I have many. I've spent

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty penny. Just put it on my credit card.

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<v Speaker 3>See what I did, And it goes on like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it repetition. But you know, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>more than plants. It can be stone, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>various things within the landscape, and I've seen that more

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<v Speaker 1>and more with paths and patio stones and patios also,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas opposed to just using one type of stone, using

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<v Speaker 1>various patterns or colors within a patio or a path

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<v Speaker 1>and creating a rhythm some sort of repetition really can

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<v Speaker 1>have a huge impact.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you mentioned that because I'm actually working on

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<v Speaker 2>a very similar situation in my own yard. So we

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<v Speaker 2>put in a patio, and the stones or the paver

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<v Speaker 2>units that we use there had come from my neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>the person who had lived there previously had for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason with them all around the outside of the house

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<v Speaker 2>in a line. They graded it properly. They no longer

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<v Speaker 2>needed them. They were not doing the job that the

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<v Speaker 2>original owner had intended to do. So they gave us

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of these patio payers. No, I didn't particularly care

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<v Speaker 2>for them, but they were free. Couldn't beat the price,

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<v Speaker 2>and much like you, I'm not going to turn down

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<v Speaker 2>a bargain. It was right next door, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>easy to move, and so it's not my first choice, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it works.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're going to add another patio and I'm thinking, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm shelling out for this, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>buy the same reddish pink color that I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>care for, but I can buy it in a different

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<v Speaker 2>I can buy the same unit in a different color,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I can still have that kind of theme

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<v Speaker 2>and variation is how it's often would be considered in

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<v Speaker 2>like classical music, you know, the theme of course for

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<v Speaker 2>these paving areas is this you know, eight by thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>or eight by fourteen unit, but then interpreted in different colors.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just a simple way to keep things unified,

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<v Speaker 2>and again it covers up for all of the craziness

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen when I surround it with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a double border of baptisia and some homorific high discuss

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<v Speaker 2>it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the placement of those pavements too, there

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<v Speaker 1>can be a form of syncopation to the way you

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<v Speaker 1>set those pavers. In other words, if you pick certain colors,

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<v Speaker 1>the distance between those colors can either quicken or slow

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<v Speaker 1>one's pace. All of those are important elements within a landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>And a great composer, of course, understands that many different

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<v Speaker 1>instruments and people together can create a masterpiece. There's all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of different instruments that are used, for example, in

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<v Speaker 1>a symphony. And if you think of Beethoven, Beethoven's fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do duh, well, it's three four time, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you have in your landscape, you could

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<v Speaker 1>look at it as boxwood boxwood boxwood hydrangea boxwood boxwood

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<v Speaker 1>boxwood high does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense?

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<v Speaker 2>And you could also look at it as round box wood,

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<v Speaker 2>round box wood, round box would conical box. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this concept of designing by musical terms is not unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 2>to many very talented garden designers. There is a designer

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<v Speaker 2>named Julie Moore Messervey who famously designed a garden in

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<v Speaker 2>Toronto called the Music Garden, which is based on a

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<v Speaker 2>Box symphony. And so she or not symphony. I forget

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what piece of music it is, but it's based

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<v Speaker 2>on a piece by Box and it's you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>way she laid out the paths and the beds and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Interprets this same musical concept in a physical way in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. So if you're into music, you might want

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<v Speaker 2>to look up her work and kind of see through

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<v Speaker 2>her lens how she interprets it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. I love that. Yeah, so it directly ties

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<v Speaker 1>into you know, Dobie Gray got it right. Remember Adobie

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<v Speaker 1>Gray in this song drift Away. I don't thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the joy that you've given me. I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know I believe your song. Oh yeah yeah, rhythm and

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<v Speaker 1>rhyme and harmony. You helped me along. You're making me strong.

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<v Speaker 2>She's one of those guys that like his song is

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<v Speaker 2>more famous than his name.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. But you know I mentioned syncopations. I love

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<v Speaker 1>syncopation in music, and the way I visualize it as

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<v Speaker 1>if your eye is panning across a landscape and you

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<v Speaker 1>have let's say some lower growing spyrias or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden there's a pointed evergreen.

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<v Speaker 3>That just pops up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's syncopation in the landscape, and boy does

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<v Speaker 1>that add a lot of interest. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>within music you would have a cadenza, and a cadenza

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<v Speaker 1>is interpreted as an ornamental passage. It's often near the

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<v Speaker 1>end of a movement and sometimes improvised, but it's generally

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of peace or plant or or something within

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape that just gives all kinds of flourish where

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<v Speaker 1>the eye. Why, you know, it's a focal point, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fountain or it's a blue atlas cedar or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be that that just stands out in

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape. And so a focal point, Boy, that would

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<v Speaker 1>tie into the whole analogy with music too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, that's like kind of what I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying earlier about the boxwood boxwood conical boxwood is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by doing a little research, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>great thing to do as we're coming into the colder months,

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<v Speaker 2>you can find plants that you can have different shapes

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, especially conifers and evergreens, that you'll

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<v Speaker 2>find those shapes and then that there's just enough cohesion

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<v Speaker 2>with the foliage and the color and all of that

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<v Speaker 2>to interpret that, you know, throughout the garden using those

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<v Speaker 2>various different shapes, and it's very similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these Italian words that describe music, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I pronounced them right, like piece of zicado, picata chicado. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's a term that means pinched or plucking of strings,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chaikowski used that really well, that that plucking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of in the landscape. It would be using

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<v Speaker 1>plants that rise and fall in height, and that's fun

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<v Speaker 1>within a landscape. And then of course you have forte,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be loud, yeah, strong, playing loudly and in

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<v Speaker 1>a landscape of course, that's dynamic, it's force full and stacey.

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<v Speaker 1>Therein lies are color choices like red. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't even need to do that, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I do like red forte.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and it's going to stay as opposed to let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>using pastel shades.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a lands you know, and the important thing to

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<v Speaker 2>remember about all of this is that it doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>have to be like this the whole season. You can

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<v Speaker 2>have the forte for just a short, you know, moment

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<v Speaker 2>when that plant whatever it is, is in its full

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<v Speaker 2>flower or the fall color or whatever it is. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like it's always beating you over the head.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a moment that you can look forward to based

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<v Speaker 2>on the seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you need an intermission. Speaking of intermission, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do that now. And coming up next, Stacy's gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>us plants on trial. That's coming up next here on

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<v Speaker 1>the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's time for us to put a.

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<v Speaker 2>Plant on trial, which is to say, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>your garden. Now, of course, on today's topic of rhythm

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<v Speaker 2>and repetition, really any of the plants in our line

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<v Speaker 2>could work this way, because really it's just a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of you taking a plant that you really like and

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<v Speaker 2>using it typically in multiples of odd numbers is the

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<v Speaker 2>most common way to do this, and repeating that theme

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<v Speaker 2>through the garden in a way that makes visual sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And really you can do that with any plant. But

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<v Speaker 2>one of the plants that I think is particularly suited

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<v Speaker 2>to this type of treatment is a plant that got

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<v Speaker 2>the most feedback I think from the recent garden tour

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<v Speaker 2>that we did on YouTube, and that is Tater taught arborvide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love Taters, and you know, coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>segment four, I'm going to talk about the invention of Tater,

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<v Speaker 1>not the plant, the stuff we actually.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait, so Tater tot arborvity. If you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the video of you are interested, you can find

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<v Speaker 2>that on our YouTube channel, and of course there will

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<v Speaker 2>be a link in the show notes at Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 2>on air dot Com. It's pretty easy to envision this

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<v Speaker 2>an evergreen, and it's round, and it's cute like obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the name tater Todd is very cute. And it naturally

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<v Speaker 2>grows just as a tidy little ball of that beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>arbor idy fan like foliage. And you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>lift a finger, You don't have to prune this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It just naturally grows that way. It reaches two to

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<v Speaker 2>three feet tall by three to four feet wide, so

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<v Speaker 2>as it grows more mature, it will kind of lose

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<v Speaker 2>some of its roundness and become a little bit more oval,

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<v Speaker 2>but it still has that strong, strong structure that lends

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<v Speaker 2>it really well to using as a theme in variation

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<v Speaker 2>in your garden. And best of all, even though you

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<v Speaker 2>could use any shrub or tree or whatever to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an evergreen, so it provides year round coverage so

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<v Speaker 2>that you are establishing that structure in your landscape and

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<v Speaker 2>it's persisting throughout the year, so you don't lose it. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't just come and go based on the seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you talk about four or four time in music,

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<v Speaker 1>equal beats four beats to a measure, this plant would

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<v Speaker 1>fit that role. It looks to me in the landscape

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<v Speaker 1>like whole notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you could say that.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, when we did the garden walk,

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<v Speaker 1>at one point I was petting the tater tots because

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<v Speaker 1>they just look like a cute little puppy. And I

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it was cute.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's an irresistible plant, and that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, it's one of those things, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to the garden center and you see

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<v Speaker 2>tater tot arborvity and you're like, I love this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and what do people do? They buy one, they buy two,

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<v Speaker 2>And if they buy two, you know what they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>with them, right, They're putting them on either side of

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<v Speaker 2>their doorway. Yes, they're matching them in a container. And

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<v Speaker 2>all of those are perfectly valid ways to use something

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<v Speaker 2>like tater tot arborvidy. But I think that when you

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<v Speaker 2>aret to you know, imagine this concept of rhythm and repetition,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're buying multiple tater tot arborvitis. So let's just

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<v Speaker 2>say to establish the theme and repetition, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>buy five sets of three, or you know, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>can mix that up in different ways, and then you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna spread that through your landscape in different areas, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, that's how you establish that Again, once

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<v Speaker 2>you've established that structure, you can get away with so

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<v Speaker 2>much more beyond that. Structure is a gardener's best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling you this as someone with absolutely zero

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<v Speaker 2>self control when it comes to plants. If I like them,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to establish strong structure. My garden has does

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<v Speaker 2>not have curving lines. My garden has straight lines to

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<v Speaker 2>impose some formality so that I can go and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be wild with the plants inside of that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a simple way to bring you know, again that that

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<v Speaker 2>structure to the landscape. And really I think another good

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<v Speaker 2>way to think about them as punctuation marks in the garden.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said musical notes, and that's also very useful,

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<v Speaker 2>But tater taw arbor vity is almost like a period

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<v Speaker 2>in the garden. And if you could get a taller

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<v Speaker 2>arbor idy and mix it up with something like a

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<v Speaker 2>north pole arborvidy, which functions almost as an exclamation point

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<v Speaker 2>in the garden, and you're mixing and matching these in

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<v Speaker 2>within the garden, you are basically using these plant horticultural elements.

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<v Speaker 2>As a musician does notes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that thought as punctuation. Who is that famous

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<v Speaker 1>musician that used puncture, Victor Borg?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, Victor Borg.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was Borsia. Yeah, Boria. Okay, my grandparents

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<v Speaker 3>used to watch him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh he's hilarious. Watch him on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible, that's the only place. Yeah, but we digress. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Different rounded globe like arbor dy out of there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know how irresistible these dwarf evergreens are to people.

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<v Speaker 2>They just they just love them. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's because it kind of is implying to them

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not going to have to prune, because people

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<v Speaker 2>also do love to prune their stuff and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it's all tidy and neat, and so this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gives you that tidy appearance without you ever having

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<v Speaker 2>to actually do any pruning yourself. So there's a number

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<v Speaker 2>of globe like arbividy out there that you will see

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<v Speaker 2>probably at your garden center. Very old variety called woodward globe,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think was probably the standard for years.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the standard. People liked it, but tended to

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<v Speaker 1>get floppy. That's what I like about Tater times Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do that, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's much smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>So woodward globe got to be every bit of five

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall and wide as it got to be mature,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also a problem because people saw a cute

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<v Speaker 2>little woodward globe at the garden center and thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great. I'm going to plant this tidy little thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they soon become very large. I'm thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>some in my neighborhood that were actually planted on either

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<v Speaker 2>side of a set of steps, and as they've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>too big, they've been pruned. And this is arborvidy in general,

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<v Speaker 2>or not plants that you want to have to back

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<v Speaker 2>because they're going into your walking space. They don't really

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<v Speaker 2>look so good when you do that. So Tater Tot's

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<v Speaker 2>much smaller again, two to three feet tall by about

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<v Speaker 2>three to four feet wide, nice and dense, and it

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<v Speaker 2>holds up to snow very well. Now, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>by and large, most rounded arborvits are going to hold

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<v Speaker 2>up pretty well to snow, especially compared to the conical ones,

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<v Speaker 2>which sometimes if they get like a very heavy snowload

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<v Speaker 2>on a branch or so that can kind of bend

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<v Speaker 2>them out of shape, and with the increase in ice

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<v Speaker 2>storms that many of us have experienced over the past

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, obviously that makes it even harder. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good, low maintenance plant that continues to bring

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<v Speaker 2>structure and beauty to the landscape. Now, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>comments that we got on the garden tour was whether

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to have a tater tot arborvity for

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<v Speaker 2>USGA Zone nine. Oh and unfortunately not at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to breed heat tolerance into a plant genus or

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<v Speaker 2>species that doesn't already have it, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how that would work. I'll talk to the plant breeders

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<v Speaker 2>around here see if they know. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's possible. But this tendency for evergreens to take

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<v Speaker 2>on a very tidy and rounded shape or just various

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<v Speaker 2>shapes whatsoever, does exist across species. So for those people

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<v Speaker 2>in USDA Zone nine who can't grow tat Tot, I

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<v Speaker 2>would suggest a Cryptomeria also known as Japanese red cedar.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a variety called Globos and Nana which is going

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<v Speaker 2>to grow very similarly. No tater Tot is hardy down

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<v Speaker 2>to USDA Zone three heat tolerant through about USDA Zone eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have discovered that it is much more heat

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<v Speaker 2>tolerant than we initially thought, so we've heard some great

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<v Speaker 2>reports from growers in the South that do very very

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<v Speaker 2>well with it. Obviously, the hotterer climate, the more shade

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<v Speaker 2>the plant is going to want, the more water it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to need. In both cold and hot climates. I

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<v Speaker 2>would recommend a good two to three inch layer of

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<v Speaker 2>shredded bark mulch over the roots because like many conifers,

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<v Speaker 2>the roots tend to be quite shallow, so multiple do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot towards helping keep those roots cool in the

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<v Speaker 2>summer warm in the winter, as well as conserving moisture

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<v Speaker 2>so that you know, continue to have that nice, healthy

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<v Speaker 2>foliage and a nice habit. It is a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>slow growing, which is a good thing, and most evergreens

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be a little bit slow growing. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some faster growing arborvidis, especially that we're developed for hedging.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not going to be one of them. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you are looking to use tater ta arborviidy as

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<v Speaker 2>a main kind of punctuation point throughout your garden, definitely

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<v Speaker 2>look for larger plants if you don't want to wait

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years for them to start turning

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<v Speaker 2>into anything. But another way to interpret the rhythm and

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<v Speaker 2>repetition would be to mix various sizes. And I love

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<v Speaker 2>this look. It's not something I have personally used, but

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<v Speaker 2>I love it whenever I see it where someone makes

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<v Speaker 2>a new planting and they have like, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>three gallon of five in a one gallon, so that

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of at different stages and so you're still

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<v Speaker 2>establishing that, you know, theme in variation, but without it

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<v Speaker 2>being so you know, matchy matchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, And that I like your approach on the

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<v Speaker 1>punctuation thing. I mean, not everybody's into music composition and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, or classical music, so looking at

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<v Speaker 1>it as punctuation pretty neat those tater dots can be

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<v Speaker 1>the periods. Yeah, sorry, And you know, like the fine

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<v Speaker 1>line buckthorn right. Yeah, I think it's a great concept.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is pretty pest resistant. But of course, since

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<v Speaker 2>it is an arborvidy, I regret to inform you it

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<v Speaker 2>is not dear resistant. So you will see no tater

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<v Speaker 2>dot arborvid in my garden or rix garden or at

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<v Speaker 2>least outside of his compound. But if you don't have deer,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a great plant to try and start experimenting

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<v Speaker 2>with these concepts of repetition and rhythm theme in variation

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<v Speaker 2>in your garden and just see what it does. You

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<v Speaker 2>will be amazed at the difference it makes. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>so simple. You don't have to know all of the plants,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to know all of the secrets. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just an easy way to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What the pros do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, really, so we're gonna take a little break. When

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we're opening up the garden mail legs,

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<v Speaker 2>garden center. Greetings, gardening friends, and welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Gardening Simplified Show. Well, we were on that quick break,

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<v Speaker 2>Adriana contributed an interesting idea that I wanted to share

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<v Speaker 2>with everyone, and so she was saying, like, what if

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<v Speaker 2>you took tater tots and planted one kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>the background, one kind of in the mid ground, and

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<v Speaker 2>one kind of in the foreground, and you use the

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<v Speaker 2>artistic concept of foreshortening to kind of make them look

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<v Speaker 2>like they were a snowman are all grouped together. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was so interesting because of course Adriana

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<v Speaker 2>design and how we all interpret repetition and rhythm and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these design concepts really depends on our own perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>which is of course informed by what we do. So

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<v Speaker 2>there are really no wrong answers or no way wrong

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<v Speaker 2>way to interpret these ideas in your garden. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>based on what works for you and how you see things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said all about interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>Love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we are always happy to answer your garden questions.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can reach us at Gardening Simplified on air

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<v Speaker 2>and we will get back to you because we do

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<v Speaker 2>want to help you. And you can also reach us

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<v Speaker 2>at Provomner's Color Choice dot com for a faster answer

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<v Speaker 2>because of course shows only on once a week, so

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<v Speaker 2>I know sometimes there's some gardening I'm urgencies out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So last week we had someone right or two weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>we had someone write in about a weird berry that

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<v Speaker 2>formed on her dogwood, and we talked about the difference

425
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<v Speaker 2>between dogwoods, and I think that prompted this message.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Beth writes about a plant we talked about, cornis Cusa.

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<v Speaker 1>Love your show. I learned so much. My Kusa dogwood

428
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<v Speaker 1>tree has some areas appealing bark not due to critters.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me what's going on the tree is

430
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<v Speaker 1>otherwise healthy and yielding tons of flowers and now berries.

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<v Speaker 2>So Beth did include photos, and I'll tell you it

432
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<v Speaker 2>is such a pretty planting. You are going to love

433
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<v Speaker 2>this when you get a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>To see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not hardly imagine a better sighting for cornis

436
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<v Speaker 2>cusa Korean dogwood.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

438
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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely perfect, And Beth, I am pleased to tell

439
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<v Speaker 2>you that what you are seeing is nothing to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a natural tendency of the Korean dogwood to

441
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<v Speaker 2>have its bark flake off, and it's one of the

442
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<v Speaker 2>things that actually makes the plant so interesting, especially in

443
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<v Speaker 2>winter when it has gone dormant, is that the bark

444
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<v Speaker 2>develops all these different color patches. Now it's called exfoliation.

445
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<v Speaker 2>That's the horticultural term for it, so a little bit

446
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<v Speaker 2>different than exfoliating your face. You can't hasten the exfoliation

447
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<v Speaker 2>of the bark on the corner scusa. It just happens

448
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<v Speaker 2>naturally as it matures. And that's the key here. So

449
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<v Speaker 2>that's why you weren't seeing this happen in previous years,

450
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<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden it is and you're like,

451
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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, what's going on. My plant's just like

452
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<v Speaker 2>losing big chunks of bark. It is totally normal, and

453
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<v Speaker 2>it just happens when that bark starts to reach a

454
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<v Speaker 2>certain maturity and then it will start to exfoliate, and

455
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<v Speaker 2>then it will continue and it will just keep looking

456
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<v Speaker 2>more and more interesting as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's developing character.

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<v Speaker 2>It is developing character, So no cause for concern. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a moment, please to take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at Beth's Korean dogwood, which is beautifully sighted and I

461
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<v Speaker 2>think a great use of the plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy Barber is writing to us, I would love to

463
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<v Speaker 1>grow Lemonee lace elderberry. I love that plant in my landscape.

464
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<v Speaker 1>Hardy and zones four to seven. I'm in Zone eight

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<v Speaker 1>B on the Olympic Peninsula. Can I grow it?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>The Olympic Peninsula is in Washington State, the Pacific Northwest.

468
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<v Speaker 2>And I love Barbara's question because I think we have

469
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<v Speaker 2>addressed this on the show before, but it always bears

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<v Speaker 2>repeating because the heart the USDA Heartiness zone system is

471
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<v Speaker 2>so far from perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It is really just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Guideline for helping to choose how much cold a plant

474
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<v Speaker 2>can tolerate to determine whether it can grow in your yard,

475
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<v Speaker 2>and that is the problem. It does not remotely address

476
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<v Speaker 2>how much heat a plant can tolerate, so companies like

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<v Speaker 2>US and other plant brands are then forced to kind

478
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<v Speaker 2>of use the USDA hardiness zone system to address heat tolerance,

479
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<v Speaker 2>even though it's not a measure of heat tolerance. So

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<v Speaker 2>we say, okay, where USDA Zone seven is. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at a hardiness zone map, that's about roughly the

482
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<v Speaker 2>extent of where this plant will do well. But of

483
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<v Speaker 2>course the issue is that not all USDA Zone eight

484
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<v Speaker 2>and nine and so forth are created equal. And the

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<v Speaker 2>example that I often give when I'm talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>to people is that Austin Texas and Portland, Oregon are

487
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<v Speaker 2>both USDA Zone eight, and you need not have visited

488
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<v Speaker 2>either of those places to know that they are vastly

489
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<v Speaker 2>different climates and that what you can grow in Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas USDA Zone eight and what you can grow in Portland,

491
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<v Speaker 2>Oregon USDA Zone eight are very different things. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you live in a cool Zone eight, you are in

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<v Speaker 2>that zone. You know. The reason that that is considered

494
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<v Speaker 2>zone eight is because your winter temperatures are mild, but

495
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<v Speaker 2>your summer temperatures are mild as well. So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the Pacific Northwest or in a milder climate at

497
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<v Speaker 2>a higher altitude, different things like that, you do have

498
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<v Speaker 2>the chance to grow plants like lemony lace, elderberry, especially

499
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>if your nighttime temperatures are cool. That's another thing that

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<v Speaker 2>the hardiness zone system doesn't remote addressed, is like what's

501
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 2>the nighttime temperature? Like how long is it hot? So

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<v Speaker 2>it is imperfect. It's the best guideline we have about Barbara.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really glad that you asked this because I think

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<v Speaker 2>that lemony lace should do fabulously for you on the

505
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<v Speaker 2>Olympic Peninsula in Washington. If you are concerned because it

506
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<v Speaker 2>does have yellow foliage, and the foliage is, as says

507
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<v Speaker 2>in the name, quite Lacey. Definitely more shade will help,

508
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, for it to be able to withstand anytime

509
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>you do get some hot, dry weather, which I'm not

510
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<v Speaker 2>really sure that ever actually happens on the Olympic Peninsula.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've visited the area often and so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And your analogy is great, Stacey, because if you think

513
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<v Speaker 1>about it, think about Austin, Texas, and then think about

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara on the Olympic Peninsula, it's the Pacific Ocean that

515
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<v Speaker 1>is tempering the climate. And so I would agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you wholeheartedly that I think Barbara could be very successful

517
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<v Speaker 1>with lemony lace Elderberry.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, if you have a question about any

519
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<v Speaker 2>of our plans and you you know we have a

520
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 2>certain heartiness or heat zone on them and you're wondering,

521
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>please do reach out to us. You know, we're always

522
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<v Speaker 2>happy to tell you we have some experienced hot climate

523
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>gardeners on staffer that we can talk to. And you know,

524
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>ultimately we're just trying to make people successful. But we

525
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<v Speaker 2>are stuck with the measurement system that we're stuck with,

526
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<v Speaker 2>so we do the best we can, but we're always

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<v Speaker 2>happy to elaborate if we can. So thanks for your question, Barbara.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here we go. Stephanie has lobbed one right into

529
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<v Speaker 1>Stacy's wheelhouse. I need help with Macrophilla hydrange of winter care.

530
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<v Speaker 1>I live in Zone five B. I have some planted

531
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<v Speaker 1>in the ground and in containers. I heard that zone

532
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<v Speaker 1>hardiness refers to the plant, but not the buds. Is

533
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<v Speaker 1>there such a thing. I've also heard that if I

534
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 1>should spray, will stop on the stems. How should I

535
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<v Speaker 1>give my high ranges the best possible chance for blooming

536
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<v Speaker 1>next season? Love, love, love my high ranges, and love

537
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<v Speaker 1>the show. Please enlighten, Thank you, and thank you Stephanie,

538
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<v Speaker 1>Stacy take it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, of course, this is such a big question.

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<v Speaker 2>And Stephanie, what really interests me about the way that

541
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<v Speaker 2>you asked it is I heard that the zone hardiness

542
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<v Speaker 2>refers to the plant, but not the buds, and that

543
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<v Speaker 2>is exactly the issue with most conventional big leaf hydrangees.

544
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<v Speaker 2>The plant itself, its roots, its stems can easily grow

545
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 2>in USDA Zone five B, but the flower buds, which

546
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 2>are indeed on the stems all winter long, don't necessarily

547
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<v Speaker 2>show the same level of resilience to cold temperatures, and

548
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>that's not common. That is not a common factor among

549
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<v Speaker 2>most plants. It is. It's pretty unique to hydrange of Macrophylla,

550
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's one of the reasons why people get so

551
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>frustrated and confused about them. So in theory, in USDA

552
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<v Speaker 2>Zone five B, yes you should be fine. However, of course,

553
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<v Speaker 2>depending on where you are in USDA Zone five B,

554
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 2>you might not have very cooperative winters. You might have

555
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>very very cold winters with no snow cover, and that

556
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 2>really exposes those flower buds to long term potential cold damage.

557
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<v Speaker 2>Now you will know if winter kill is the problem

558
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<v Speaker 2>on your big leaf hydrangees if in spring they come

559
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<v Speaker 2>back from the ground or very very low on the plant,

560
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and that case winter weather did take them out, and

561
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 2>you will have to protect the whole plant with some

562
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>sort of cage made out of wire and some leaves,

563
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and they sell different you know, plant protectors that you

564
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.119
<v Speaker 2>can experiment with as well or move it potentially to

565
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>a more protected spot. If, however, spring comes your plant

566
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<v Speaker 2>is leafing out along the entire length of its stem,

567
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.839
<v Speaker 2>then winter's fine, and the issue is spring because another

568
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>thing that happens, and this is not exclusive to cold

569
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<v Speaker 2>climate gardeners. This happens for warm climate people as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Those spring frosts. After the plant has leafed out and

571
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<v Speaker 2>started growing, blam oh, those spring frosts come along and

572
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>it just fries the bud. And that, fortunately is a

573
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit easier to protect against, because all you have

574
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<v Speaker 2>to do is keep an eye on the way. If

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<v Speaker 2>the plant is showing green and a frost or freeze

576
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 2>is threatened, just get out there, throw an old sheet, towel, blanket,

577
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Do not use plastic. Just throw that

578
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>over the top of the plant and then you can

579
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>remove it the next day when the danger of frost

580
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>has passed, and that will help get it through those

581
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<v Speaker 2>very cold nights.

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<v Speaker 1>Blamo's a good explanation. And of course you have those

583
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<v Speaker 1>buds on the stem in winter. In spring, in many cases, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been an early warm up, the buds are starting

585
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to swell and then we get the blam all event and.

586
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<v Speaker 2>Yep, wow, and that happens even in you know, Atlanta,

587
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.319
<v Speaker 2>any place that can get a spring frost. So that's

588
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>not exclusive to cold climates. But I will tell you Stephanie. Unfortunately,

589
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>will stop or wiltproof will do nothing to avoid this situation.

590
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<v Speaker 2>So that is used to prevent things like evergreens from

591
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>drying out over winter. Some people use it on decorations

592
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing, but unfortunately for the hydrangea

593
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>it won't do a lick of good because really the

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<v Speaker 2>issue is temperature. So we have some more research resources

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<v Speaker 2>that we can share and we will link those in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you all so much for your questions. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a little break and when we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got branching news, so please stay tuned. The Gardening

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>branching news and again a reminder coming up later in October,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do a show on Halloween. Horror stories,

609
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<v Speaker 1>horror stories in your garden, in your landscape, in your yard,

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<v Speaker 1>a time when things simply went awrye the wheels fell off.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like to hear about that to share with others.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've mentioned before, Stacy, I have many, many stories

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<v Speaker 1>where such a thing has happened to me, and they

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<v Speaker 1>stick with you for the rest of your life. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that when my kids were young, I was putting

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<v Speaker 1>in an above ground swimming pool. I was re landscaping

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<v Speaker 1>the area, took out some trees, putting in an above

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<v Speaker 1>ground pool, and I was working on it one Sunday

619
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<v Speaker 1>and a friend came by and said, listen, this swimming

620
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<v Speaker 1>pool will not be blessed because you should be in

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<v Speaker 1>church and so this swimming pool is you're going to

622
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<v Speaker 1>have problems. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. That night, a

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<v Speaker 1>horrific store storm came through and what I had built

624
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<v Speaker 1>of this pool ended up in the neighbors. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to start all over. So yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my many, many Halloween horror stories. I'll share

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<v Speaker 1>another one with you. I used to roof houses and

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<v Speaker 1>barns with my dad years ago. I would help him

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<v Speaker 1>and we were on top of a barn out in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere, and the ladder fell off the barn. Oh. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no way down. So my dad says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll search this side of the roof for a way down.

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<v Speaker 1>You searched the other side, and we'll try and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out a way down. You know, this was before we

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<v Speaker 1>had cell phones. Yes, And suddenly I see my dad

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<v Speaker 1>walking on the ground. I said to my dad, how

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<v Speaker 1>in the world did you get down there? He says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a manure pile on the other side of the barn,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just jumped in.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I said, well, how far did you sink?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I sunk ankle deep. So I went over

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<v Speaker 1>to the other side, jumped in the manure pile, and

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<v Speaker 1>I sunk up to my mouth. I'm like, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you said you only sunk ankle deep. He says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I went in head first. We need your Halloween horrors.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've got some horror stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, the ghost of plants passed that

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I could grow and die and haunt me

649
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<v Speaker 2>to this day. The belief that I could grow big

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<v Speaker 2>leaf or not big leief that I could grow smooth

651
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>heyd ranges on my property when I first moved in,

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<v Speaker 2>and then between the deer and the extreme dryness, I

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00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 2>soon realized was never going to happen. The horror of

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<v Speaker 2>realizing that, yeah, I feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>Best laid plants. I remember a home that I owned

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<v Speaker 1>clay soil and decided to seed the expansive lawn and

657
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the following day just gully washer storm and all the seed,

658
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<v Speaker 1>you know, washed away. We've all had those types of experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>I can go on and on with my horror stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but we want to hear yours, so send them to

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<v Speaker 1>us Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. Send us an email,

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<v Speaker 1>send us pictures if you have them. But we want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your horror stories because Stacy, we learned from mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and our listeners and and our viewers could maybe help

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<v Speaker 1>someone out there by sharing their horrors.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I do need to just say, if your story

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<v Speaker 2>involves a personal injury and you include photos, please send

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<v Speaker 2>a warning.

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<v Speaker 3>I am excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I am extremely squeamish about blood and injuries, so I

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<v Speaker 2>do not want to be surprised by that photo. I

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<v Speaker 2>will forward it to Adrian Enrich. They'll take care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would appreciate a warning before I open any

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<v Speaker 2>injury photos.

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<v Speaker 1>Good it, good point. Well, we talked about Tater Tot,

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<v Speaker 1>and interestingly enough, I had that in the branching news here.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Oregon, the city of Ontario, Oregon, will celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>its legacy this month as the birthplace of one of

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<v Speaker 1>America's greatest culinary creations, the Tater Tot. So in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three there were two brothers that created the first

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<v Speaker 1>Tater Tots in their Arita factory located on Oregon's border

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<v Speaker 1>with Idaho. So they have a two day event in

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<v Speaker 1>September that celebrates the tot, including novel Tater Tot dishes,

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<v Speaker 1>live music, car show. You know, tater tots are just ubiquitous,

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<v Speaker 1>and to know the birthplate birthplace of the tot is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. Who doesn't like Tater Tots?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm okay on them, but I'm kind of not.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of can't get over the fact that for

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<v Speaker 2>all of these years of hearing the brand Orida, I

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<v Speaker 2>never realized it was Oregon in Idaho. Oh, Adriana too,

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<v Speaker 2>You should have seen her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy? Well, okay, so now all joking aside, we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this on the show late August and into September.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had some really serious problems with drought in the Midwest,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to share on our web page, Gardeningsimplified

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<v Speaker 1>on air dot Com a link to a map. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a map that basically publishes where drought is taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a drought monitor, and it's color coded and you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to see that. And unfortunately, our friends in Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>have really suffered this late summer and into September. Lack

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<v Speaker 1>of rain in recent months is laying waste to farms

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<v Speaker 1>across Ohio, leaving farmers in the region with smaller crops

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<v Speaker 1>lower yields. So, according to this map, over ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Ohio is experiencing some sort of drought conditions

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<v Speaker 1>with below average summer precipitation. Over seventy eight percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the state, mostly including most of northwest Ohio, is under

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<v Speaker 1>a moderate drought or worse. Forty two percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>state have felt the impacts of severe drought. Almost a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of the state of Ohio feeling the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>what they can classify as an exceptional drought, and Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>is afflicted by the most significant extreme drought conditions. On

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<v Speaker 1>this map, they grade the amount of drought the drought stress.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, boy, I'll tell you what I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for our Ohio friends. There's other parts of the country too,

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<v Speaker 1>but Ohio has really taking it on the chin. And

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<v Speaker 1>here in Michigan, as I drive along the expressway or

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<v Speaker 1>along roadways, you'll look into the woods along the road

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see the poison ivy turning bright red that's

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<v Speaker 1>climbing up trees. You see trees starting to turn color.

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<v Speaker 1>Early drought can affect fall color, and we're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>see that here in Michigan. You know, for people who

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<v Speaker 1>love plants, Stacey, you can spot from a mile off

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<v Speaker 1>a plant that's experiencing drought stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was thinking about that the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>How I remember when I was in horticulture school. Teach

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying like, oh, you know, you can really tell

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<v Speaker 2>the trees are drought stressed, and I was like, you can,

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<v Speaker 2>And now, yeah, how you are able to read that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, another sure sign that I am seeing

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere around here is premature to foliation. So the leaves

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<v Speaker 2>are just dropping off the plants, not turning any color

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. The plant's just like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough water. You guys are out of here and

734
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<v Speaker 2>just trying to conserve its resources. So yeah, it is rough,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we'll get some rain soon. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>another issue, and it gets this dry, is that if

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<v Speaker 2>you do get a big storm, the surface tension on

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<v Speaker 2>the soil has developed so strongly that the water can

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<v Speaker 2>just run off, so it doesn't actually wet the soil.

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<v Speaker 2>So another great reason for MULT. You know, we're huge

741
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<v Speaker 2>opponents of mulch on the show, and MULT will help

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<v Speaker 2>prevent that at least somewhat so.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true. And there are many great stories also

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<v Speaker 1>of past droughts in past years where they are able

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<v Speaker 1>to see on trees far removed from that drought years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the effect that that drought had on that tree some

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<v Speaker 1>In some cases, if the drought is severe enough, it

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<v Speaker 1>can have not just implications for next year, but long

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<v Speaker 1>term implications for plant. It also brings up the point

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<v Speaker 1>that it's important to not pack away the hoses too soon.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish we could, but we cannot see.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't exactly, and especially plants that are underneath soppets,

753
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>plants that don't necessarily get the natural rainfall in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, or plants that are competing with tree roots

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00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>stacey heading into winter, you really have to have an

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<v Speaker 1>eye for that, and you want to make sure to

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<v Speaker 1>supplement the water as we have. You don't want a

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<v Speaker 1>plant to go drought stressed into winter.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so true, and I have for years

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<v Speaker 2>when people have asked me about, you know, how much

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<v Speaker 2>should I water and fall? When should I stop? And

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<v Speaker 2>the advice that I always give is, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can usually stop, you know, sometime and fall unless the

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<v Speaker 2>weather is unusually hot and dry. This weather is unusually

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<v Speaker 2>hot and dry, So no, unfortunately we cannot step. Especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a newer plant, you're going to want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that it's still getting good water. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to stack stress on top of stress. We

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what this winter is going to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, if you live in a cold climate,

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<v Speaker 2>winter is generally a bit stressful on plants. They go dormant.

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<v Speaker 2>And if a plant goes dormant and can't fully make

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<v Speaker 2>use of the resources that it has because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>dropping foliage, green or whatever due to the drought, that

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00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>does set the plant back. And you know, one or

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<v Speaker 2>two years, probably not going to be a huge deal,

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<v Speaker 2>but if we continue to have very difficult weather like this,

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<v Speaker 2>it does, yeah, definitely begin to take a toll on

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<v Speaker 2>the plant. So as you're going around still watering your

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<v Speaker 2>containers or vegetable garden or new plants or whatever, make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're giving a little love to those established plants too.

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<v Speaker 2>They will definitely appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, always a privilege and pleasure to do the

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<v Speaker 1>show with you, stay see Thank you so much, Adriana,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you to you for watching us listening to us.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gardening Simplified Show is a podcast, radio and YouTube show,

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<v Speaker 1>so look for us and have yourself a great week.
