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Hey Ben, how you doing good to 23 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,520 be on Live the Dream. Guys, appreciate you hopping on 24 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:07,000 the dream. Hey, no room for improvement. Knock on wood, 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,040 here we go and can't wait to get into a 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,840 little sports court with you gentlemen today. Let's start it 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 off with this one little. 28 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:17,879 Speaker 3: Supreme Court ruling here. 29 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,599 Speaker 4: Here's are rather arguments hearing arguments in blockbuster cases challenging 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,760 transgender sports brand sports bands. 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: What's the latest on this one? 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,799 Speaker 5: Well, it is the latest because it's been a hotbed 33 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:36,200 issue for a while. We've talked about many of these 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,920 instances where what happens is a transgender female who's a 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,920 biological male is playing on female sports team or competing 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,239 in female competition. And you know, there was the instance 37 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:52,040 with the swimmer and Riley Gains, the Kentucky swimmer, the 38 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:55,560 woman who you know couldn't win, and so she's been 39 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:58,079 a real activist in this. And what happened when all 40 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,599 these things were being seen that there was transgender females 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,959 playing in whether it was high school or college or whatever, 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,159 in female on female teams, states began to pass laws 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,960 and the majority of these laws were really basically saying, hey, 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,400 biological male who is a transgender female. No problem with that, 45 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:22,039 they're saying, but you can't participate on female teams and 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,000 compete against other females. So what happened when laws like 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,120 this were passed. Activist groups and even individual plaintiffs they 48 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:32,360 come forward and they challenge these laws, and they challenge 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,439 them based on what are constitutional issues? Really, not just 50 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,240 oh we don't like these issues. We're saying these violate 51 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:42,719 constitutional rights. Well, two states that made it through the 52 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,840 appeal system. They made it through the state system, they 53 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,479 made it through what's called the Federal Court of the 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,879 appeal system, and the United States Supreme Court SCOTIS decided 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,879 to hear these cases. And SCOTIS doesn't usually hear cases 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,800 unless they think it's an important issue to hear. It's 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,599 an issue of first impression and it needs to be 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,319 decided to set a precedent and to give guidelines going 59 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,360 forward with other laws. Well, the state of Idaho, in 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,919 the state of West Virginia's cases came up which were challenged. 61 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,159 So people challenging these losses and they're unconstitutional. Well, the 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,919 basic arguments are by the people challenging it are that, hey, 63 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:25,840 this violates Title fourteen Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution 64 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:30,560 where it involves gender rights, and whenever it involves gender, 65 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,280 things need to be highly scrutinized, and you can't be 66 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:36,240 treating you know, you can't be discrimination. That's really what 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,159 it comes down discrimination. Well, the other side, the ones 68 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:42,000 supporting the laws and these things, they're saying, hey, there's 69 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:48,159 really no constitutional right that addresses biological males transgender females 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,639 to play on women's teams. That's really the issue, and 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,479 you know, it's an emotional issue, it really is. So 72 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,000 arguments were heard, and most of the legal analysis coming 73 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:02,400 out think that it's it's going to uphold these laws, 74 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:07,240 essentially saying yeah, these laws are okay, and transgender females 75 00:04:07,719 --> 00:04:12,439 cannot play on female teams. It's unfair, it's unfair competition, 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,400 that type of thing. But the question now that looks 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,000 at is if it comes down that way, if it does, 78 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,439 how far reaching is that? How broad is that opinion? 79 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:25,439 Because I read where only twenty seven states have passed 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,680 these laws, and twenty three actually have not paid these 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,839 laws and don't have them on the books. So the 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,240 question is, will this just go to these plaintiffs here 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,079 and say, yeah, your banned these laws? Are okay or 84 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,120 is it going to send a message to the other states. 85 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,079 I think it does. It sends a message to these 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,120 other states with laws, and it probably sends a message 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 to states that haven't passed laws. If you passed laws, 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,399 they'll probably be upheld. So, you know, one person argues said, hey, 89 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,519 we need this to be a national law. We can't 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,120 have it that. You know, transgender females can participate in 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,439 one state and they can't in another, you know, where 92 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,000 there's a lot of traveling teams and their college teams 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,319 are traveling all the time, and so how does that 94 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:10,240 affect it. So it'll be interesting to see how broad 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,120 how broad of a brush there is and how broadly 96 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,199 it applied. But regardless when the decision come down, I'm 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,720 not saying there has been a decision, it'll send a 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,560 message to everyone kind of with the leaning of the court, 99 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,680 and the court is a conservative court, so large part 100 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,759 they probably will uphold these laws. 101 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: Still, it's perfectly fine for a transgender female though, to 102 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,160 play on a men's team, right if they make the team. 103 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:38,759 Speaker 5: Well, that's what a lot of people say, they're a 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,759 biological I mean, this gets into a lot of issues 105 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,519 that I don't fully understand. And I'm mindful and respectful 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,279 and sensitive to individuals that go through this, and they, 107 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,399 you know, and I think most people are saying, yeah, 108 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,079 if you claim to be transgender, and you claim to 109 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,240 be a transgender female, that's okay, and everybody needs to 110 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:01,519 respect each other. There's rights and boundaries and everything. But 111 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,279 then when it goes into well are we gonna let 112 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:09,839 you participate in female sports and female competitions against you know, 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,759 female athletes. And the one big one was this, uh, 114 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,839 this pennsylvani University of Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania swimmer, six foot four 115 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,399 dude who was just an okay swimmer on the men's team, 116 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:24,680 and he says these transitions, gets on the female teams, 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,160 and he wins the national championship, and a lot of females, 118 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:29,439 you know, were like, hey, we fought for this our 119 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,879 whole lives and now we're we're not allowed to win. 120 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,519 So that's where it's really looking like an unfair advantage. 121 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:38,920 But to your question, sure they can, if they can 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,240 make the. 123 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: Team, That's what I'm saying. 124 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 5: I don't think there's beenny, I don't think there'd be 125 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:43,920 any challenges to that. 126 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,959 Speaker 4: Sure, Well, yeah, exactly like, it's like you can still 127 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:51,680 play sports. It's not like your band from participation of sport. 128 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:54,879 Speaker 6: Uh. 129 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a uh. It's a complicated issue 130 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:00,439 with strong feelings on both sides. 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: You know. 132 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I know there were a couple of transgender 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,199 females in Utah and it was just a couple, but 134 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,439 you know, I mean, their parents argue that this is 135 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,680 their chance to play sports and have competition and do 136 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:16,120 all that, and it goes to their mental health and 137 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,759 mental well being. And then you ask the question, well, 138 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,959 could they have made the men's soccer team or the 139 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,439 men's basketball team or you know, but that's not who 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,360 they wanted to be. That's their argument. 141 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,639 Speaker 4: Let's move on to NCAA basketball players and gamblers being 142 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,639 charged for allegedly rigging games. There's a lot of hullablue. 143 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,839 Like one of the fastest growing markets right now is 144 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,959 just being able to bet on just about anything. And 145 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:52,639 obviously college athletics is being extremely impacted by gambling. And 146 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:55,480 these young men and young ladies that are getting into gambling. 147 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:57,160 It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing 148 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:57,480 at all. 149 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,879 Speaker 3: What's the latest in this particular scenario. 150 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is another big case, another big indictment. I 151 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,079 guess I should say that that's come down. And you know, 152 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,480 we've talked recently. There was the NBA case with Terry Rozier, right, 153 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,120 similar type of case. There was the Chauncey Phillips, you know, 154 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:19,680 poker ring case. So there's been a lot of these 155 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,560 sports betting cases that we've talked about. 156 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: This one. 157 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 6: Maybe what's a little different about it is it involves 158 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:31,079 college basketball players, and it really involves I mean a 159 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:34,919 whole bunch of schools involved in this. I think there's gosh, 160 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:40,879 there are forty schools I think implicated in this. Most 161 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,679 of them are all mid major schools, and none of 162 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,840 our local schools I. 163 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: Don't see on this list. 164 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 6: I mean, but just as an example, Ben, I mean 165 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,960 schools like Abilene, Christian, Alabama State, Buffalo, Choppin State, Eastern Michigan, 166 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,279 Fordham Kennesas State. I mean, you get the idea, right, 167 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,679 and so a lot of times what was happening is 168 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:03,159 you had some people on the outside who would contact 169 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,080 these players, usually on underdog teams, and a lot of 170 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:11,000 times this involved just the point spread, and so you know, 171 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:14,679 they get these players on the underdog team to shave 172 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:18,519 some points, right, not score, you know, keep their point 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,879 totals down so that whether going into halftime or by 174 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:25,440 the end of the game, they'd win their bets. And 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,000 I mean so, I mean there was a like a 176 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,639 four hundred thousand dollars bet placed on a game between 177 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:36,440 Kennesas State and like Buffalo, right, I mean, it's crazy 178 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,320 who's betting on this? 179 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: You know? 180 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,039 Speaker 6: Or there was another one for Butler to cover a 181 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:44,000 six point five spread against DePaul. Well, what's coming out now? 182 00:09:44,039 --> 00:09:46,440 I mean talking about DePaul in particular. I mean, and 183 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,679 this just goes back two seasons. This is all very 184 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,639 current stuff, right, I mean DePaul went oh to sixteen 185 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,399 in Big East play two years ago. Four of their 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,240 players from that team are implicated in this. Some of 187 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:04,519 these guys are on current rosters. And as of as 188 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,840 this news coming down, this is just today that this 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,440 in these charges came out. They've been cut from their 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,480 teams a few of them already. So anyway, it's it's again, 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,080 like you said, kind of just more of the same. 192 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,639 We've we've seen some of this, but here we are. 193 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,120 This is impacting some lower levels of college basketball. 194 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:28,279 Speaker 3: I mean, there's got to be. 195 00:10:29,159 --> 00:10:32,759 Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to legalize certain things. Right, There'll 196 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:34,600 always be kind of a market for this stuff, but 197 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,080 it's I think the NCAA president has like asked the 198 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,519 federal government to like to help him, and I can't 199 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,399 remember what was what the specific request was, but limit 200 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,159 the ability of college sports gambling because it's infiltrating the 201 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:57,080 competitive the competitive. 202 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: Nature of sport, especially at the collegiate levels. So this 203 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,480 isn't issue. This is a big issue. 204 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: And more and more young people are are gambling that 205 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,000 literally their their funds away and going into debt just 206 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:07,480 to gamble. 207 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, exactly, And that's what they're asking for. And 208 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,480 one of the one in particular what they're asking for 209 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,480 is a ban on these prop bets, right, so you know, 210 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,759 I mean, if we're just going to bet that Richie 211 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:26,200 Saunders is going to be two points under his average, right, 212 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,639 I mean you can bet on anything right in these 213 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:34,480 in these games, you know how many minutes played or whatever. 214 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:37,679 And so they've just made it so easy with online betting, 215 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:40,720 and and uh, it's yeah, it's all over the place, 216 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:42,600 but we've got to have some new rules in place. 217 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,919 Speaker 4: All right, let's move on. RAMS owner and Inglewood legal 218 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,960 battle over placement of billboards. 219 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: A little marketing and advertising lawsuit. What are we at? 220 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 221 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 5: Exciting stuff for everything. Yeah, this is crazy exciting stuff. 222 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,200 So the owner of the Los Angeles Lunchiz Los Angeles Rams, 223 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,399 uh multi molti billionaire. H mister, how do you say 224 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:08,879 his name? 225 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: Uh? 226 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 5: Cronky, crunky, crunky. He is uh the owner of the Rams, 227 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,919 but apparently part owner of that. He fas a lawsuit 228 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,919 against the city of Inglewood where he's claiming they've entered 229 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,840 into an agreement with Wild Media stop his sixty billboards 230 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,679 around Hollywood Park where Sofi Stadium is. He's claiming that 231 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,799 this violet skill when this thing was going on, that 232 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,879 he put this up, probably saying, hey, you know, we 233 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,120 can't have stuff like that around here. This is kind 234 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:46,840 of our place to market and that type of thing 235 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:52,840 and earned revenue and he and he, uh, this advertisement 236 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,120 would undergot the exclusive sponsorships table ambush of marketing around 237 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:59,320 some of the world's sporting events. It's not just the 238 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,200 rams of there's not the charges to play there. There's 239 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:08,799 a ton of going around. You start putting up sixty boards, 240 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:10,200 it's going to make place look. 241 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Like, you know, like Vega. 242 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 5: The city response there there says, hey, wait a minute, 243 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:24,399 this is you're being greedy, mister. We have a right 244 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:27,399 we want with personal public property as long as we 245 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,519 go through their proper processes to go through that. And 246 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:32,879 you know, and this is revenue for the city. And 247 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:34,639 so I guess what it comes down to. Was there 248 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:37,159 an agreement and what part of that agreement go and 249 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,000 does it violate that agreement? So fighting stuff. We'll see 250 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,759 if thingle would gets to put up any billboards. 251 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, your your connection is a little bit uh, 252 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,360 you know, disrupted. But so I don't know if you 253 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:49,759 want to move to the other spot where. 254 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: You're at before. But oh sorry, you're okay. I can 255 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,320 hear you now. But yeah, you're okay disrupted there. 256 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,519 Speaker 5: But fans out there, what I said was really not 257 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,840 too exciting you. You didn't miss a lot about a 258 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,200 multi multi billionaire so in a city over billboards? 259 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: All right, let's talk aeron judge, then all rise legal 260 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 when in a trademark lesson case. 261 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:15,279 Speaker 3: What do we got? 262 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know how baseball teams or any team 263 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,039 does this right when a player's got a certain name 264 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,679 and they find some angle right, and they might do 265 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:27,200 this in the stadium on banners or on you know, 266 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,759 digital displays. And so this started happening in Yankee Stadium 267 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,639 with Aaron Judges. He was becoming popular. This goes back 268 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:36,360 to about twenty seventeen. And so one was all rise 269 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,320 right when Aaron Judge is up, or the other one 270 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,000 was here comes the Judge and so playing on this 271 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,120 legal theme with his name Judge. So at about that time, 272 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,360 Yankees are using these phrases. There's a guy in Long 273 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,000 Island who runs to the trademark office to register those 274 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,960 two phrases. He's going to put them on hats and 275 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,480 you know, T shirts and whatever and so some merch 276 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,039 and so this got into a dispute with the Yankees 277 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,840 over this trademark and the Yankees and Aaron Judge. I 278 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:10,080 guess Aaron Judge had not filed his own trademark for this, 279 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:13,080 and so part of the argument was, we'll wait a minute. 280 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,080 This is obviously about me, Aaron Judge, and this is 281 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,919 going to be really confusing for consumers. They're thinking, you 282 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,399 know that this is not a this is official merchandise. 283 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,120 He's not, and Aaron Judge isn't earning anything from that. 284 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,320 So they fought for what's called the common law trademark, 285 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,639 and they did. They did win their case in spite 286 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:32,919 of the guy who was going to make the T 287 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,440 shirts claiming that, well, you know, I had no I 288 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,840 just I like these phrases all rise and here comes 289 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:40,960 a judge. I don't know anything about Aaron Judge. I've 290 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,840 never heard of him. I've never been to a Yankees 291 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,600 baseball game. I've never seen him play. I don't know 292 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,440 anything about it. I just I just happen to like 293 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:50,000 these phrases. This has nothing to do with Aaron Judge. 294 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,240 And the court was not buying that. So I guess 295 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,440 the word is, if you've got a phrase you want 296 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,679 to use, better trademarket, better trademark lavoida legal fight. 297 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:06,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, How do you check trademarks? Can we google that? 298 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 6: Like? 299 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,559 Speaker 4: You know, is there a trademark website to see if 300 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,480 something's trademarked? 301 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, there is the US Patent and Trademark Office, and 302 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,240 so a lot of times. You know, if you've got 303 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,639 a one one thing that you know intellectual property lawyers do, right, 304 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:25,320 is they'll monitor these kinds of things for their clients, right, 305 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,399 And see if anybody's filing anything or coming up so 306 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:30,879 that they're on top of it. But yeah, it's something 307 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:32,960 you just have to be vigilant about. 308 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,639 Speaker 4: Gotta be vigilant, gotta be proactive. Final thing here a 309 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,759 little update on the river Side abuse case. X coach 310 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,320 testifies to witnessing abuse. 311 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: What do we have here? 312 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we quick quick on this. We talked about 313 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,080 this last week and follow This is a lawsuit that 314 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,279 grows out of the acclaim by a gentleman who played 315 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,879 for an all star team back in the seventies and 316 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,639 early eighties that was sponsored by Riverside Church. It was 317 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,480 kind of the first of its type, an all star 318 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,640 basketball team with really good players that traveled around the 319 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,880 country and even outside the country with sponsorships. Well, years 320 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,160 and years later, this mister Powell comes out with claims 321 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,799 that the coach, Ernest Lorch, who was a multi millionaire 322 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,200 lawyer in New York City, was sexually abusing him and 323 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,319 other players. Well, mister Lorch has since he has since 324 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,640 passed away and can you hear me? Yes, yeah, gotcha, Okay, 325 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,720 he since passed away. So a lawsuit goes against Riverside 326 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,839 Church and the issue is this he's soon in Riverside Church. 327 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,720 At Riverside Church is saying, well, wait a minute, mister 328 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:47,000 Lurch was the bad actor. This guy was the pedophile, 329 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,920 sex abuser. Not you know, we're not on this, but 330 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,599 he's saying, hey, he was under your supervision. He was 331 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,920 the coach of this team. He sat on your board 332 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,200 of trustees. You knew or should have known that this 333 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,079 stuff was going on, and you could have prevented it. Well, 334 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,200 so now the thing starts to trial this week, and 335 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:09,119 whenever a trial starts, the plaintiff, the person bringing the lawsuit, 336 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,920 mister Powell, he has the burden of proving everything. He 337 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,480 has to prove the legal arguments. He has to prove 338 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,440 his claims that Riverside knew or should have known about 339 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,880 this going on. He has to prove his damages. He's 340 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,000 claiming PTSD and mental health and emotional damages from this 341 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,960 happening forty years ago. Well, one of the witnesses, bombshell 342 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,799 witness was an assistant coach of the team who said 343 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:38,440 he walked in on mister Kring Lurch and saw him 344 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:43,559 actually abusing sexually abusing a player, and he actually went 345 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:45,519 and reported it to the pastor of the church. 346 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: Well, here we come. 347 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 5: Forty years later. They bring him into trial and he 348 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,839 testifies he actually took a bunch of players and said 349 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:54,319 he wasn't going to keep him there because he didn't 350 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:57,599 think they were safe. It's reported that it was widely 351 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,559 known around a lot of people that this guy was 352 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:05,160 a bad dude and there was some inappropriate stuff going on. Well, 353 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:07,799 the defense has attacked this and saying, hey, this was 354 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,799 forty plus years ago. How can you remember all this. 355 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,160 He's bringing this now, Why is he bringing it now 356 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,599 and didn't bring it earlier? So we'll hear from all 357 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:17,839 the plaintiff witnesses. The jury gets to hear all of that, 358 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,160 and then the defense will put their case on and 359 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:21,960 we'll see what happens. But this is a type of 360 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,920 This is a type of testimony, and apparently there were 361 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,960 a couple of other players that testified. That really goes 362 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:31,920 to the heart of mister Powell's arguments about Hey, the church, 363 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,880 he was under their supervision, They knew and should have 364 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,599 done something about it. 365 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: Gentlemen, that is our sports court for today. The verdict 366 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,119 is out and we appreciate you joining us for yet 367 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,240 another Sports Cord segment. You guys are better at representing 368 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,519 clients that have been injured, whether it's like workman scomp 369 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,960 or auto injury accident. Tell us what you do, how 370 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,359 you do it, and why our listener should give you call. 371 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, Ben, we love coming on here. 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Let's get out to 430 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:50,240 the hotline. 431 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:50,599 Speaker 3: Welcome in. 432 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: Mark Durant, the best color commentator, the best Twitter x 433 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,039 follow on social media. 434 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: How the heck are you? Mark? 435 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: Wow? Thank you, Ben, I'm doing great. I may or 436 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,680 may not have just. 437 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 7: Played nine holes of golf in this beautiful, crazy weather, 438 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,519 So I'm a happy man. I don't know that I've 439 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,440 ever played golf this late in the winter in my life. 440 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: It is pretty crazy. What's happening in Utah right now? 441 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:19,920 With the weather. 442 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: Typically we're we're in the thick of the snow right 443 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,799 making snow angels and it's freezing cold. What's happening in 444 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:30,119 the Utah? You've been here for a long time. 445 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 7: Well, listen, I know we need moisture and snow and 446 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,839 all that, but if we're not going to have it, 447 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,200 I'm gonna enjoy it. And if Salt Lake becomes the 448 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,440 new Saint George, then that's probably okay with me because 449 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:48,640 I want to move to Saint George. 450 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: Anyway, I will save me moving. 451 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:52,799 Speaker 4: Oh man, where's your golf? 452 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,559 Speaker 1: By the way, I. 453 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 7: Went out to Glenmore. We love it out at Glenmore. 454 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,880 Darcy Olsen is the pro out there. It's a great place. 455 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,839 They got a great youth program. As you know, my 456 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,440 daughter plays. So my daughter whooped me today, But I'm 457 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:09,240 getting used to that. 458 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 3: Hey it's okay. 459 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: Hey, that means you've you've trained her, well, you've mentored her. Well, 460 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,000 that's what you want. That's what every mom and dad want. 461 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,640 They want their kids to be better than they are. 462 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. 463 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 7: The best thing I ever did, Ben, your young father, 464 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,119 So listen carefully, I am, is have your kids play golf. 465 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,039 I tried to get my boys to play basketball, but 466 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,839 I finally learned and my last one, I said, We're 467 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,359 doing golf because I'm gonna have fun. If I'm gonna 468 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,079 watch you, I'm gonna at least have fun myself. And 469 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,200 it's been the greatest thing. We get to spend so 470 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,960 much time together and she's excellent, and it's just fun. 471 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: Man? 472 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,319 Speaker 4: Is that like, just because you have to sit next 473 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,240 to each other for I mean typically anywhere from two 474 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,240 to four, sometimes five hours, you actually get to talk 475 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:56,880 to your kids. 476 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: They're not trying to avoid you. 477 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 7: Right, Exactly what what other dad of a seventeen year 478 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,119 old daughter gets to spend five hours without any distractions? 479 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: You know, with your child, it's beautiful. 480 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: Actually the worst me. 481 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,759 Speaker 7: She still likes me. Ben, I don't know about your kids. 482 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,680 If your kids like you, if they don't like it 483 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,359 might be bad. 484 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: But my daughter likes me. So No. 485 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,839 Speaker 4: Probably the worst decision I ever made. And it was 486 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,680 hard because it was it was before COVID, right, and 487 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,799 like I had purchased an Alpine country Club membership in 488 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,599 two thousand and ten. You know it was it was 489 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,839 dirt cheap at the time, right, and I can't remember 490 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,440 what the dudes were monthly, et cetera. But I had 491 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,640 that thing till like twenty and eighteen. But at that time, 492 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,279 I was getting free golf. Remember I used to do 493 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,680 the show at Thanksgiving point, I did advertising for Fox Hollow. 494 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,680 I mean I was everywhere, you know. I was like, well, 495 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,279 you know, do I really need this Alpine country Club membership? 496 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 497 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,839 Speaker 4: And I sold it, kicking myself. Stupid decision. 498 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:00,519 Speaker 2: Uh. 499 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,319 Speaker 4: The spirit was not with me. It was not guiding 500 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,079 me at that time. 501 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,599 Speaker 7: Yeah, they for a while, that long time ago, they 502 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,599 were giving those away. 503 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: Man. 504 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,839 Speaker 7: And now now it's it's a it's a hot commodity. 505 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,839 Speaker 4: Very very hot commodity. I'm kicking myself unfortunately, but we 506 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,359 all make good decisions. We all make bad decisions. U 507 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:23,079 K Why made some good decisions this offseason, not only 508 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,119 retaining talent, but acquired talent. How special has it been 509 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440 for you to watch arguably the most talented team in 510 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,920 BAU basketball history ball out at the Marriott Center. 511 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 7: Well, first of all, you mentioned k Why. I love 512 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,400 that guy. 513 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:37,079 Speaker 1: I mean, he is. 514 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 7: He's been so great to work with. He's super kind 515 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,079 of me and Greg, and he's just a super down 516 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,440 to earth guy. Love talking to him. I think he's 517 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,039 actually a brilliant basketball mind as I've watched him and 518 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,000 the adjustments and things that he makes and his game plans, 519 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,559 and I just I just think, how lucky are we 520 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,759 to have? So it's I think it starts with him, 521 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,519 and then because of who he is and his connections 522 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,720 and his ability to communicate with kids, he's able to 523 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,960 bring in you know, great, great young men and super 524 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,119 talented basketball players. And it used to be where, you know, 525 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480 by you wouldn't even get a sniff from some of 526 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,839 these this level of recruit and now it seems like 527 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,039 they're in on almost all the best recruits and legitimately 528 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,839 have a chance, and so that that goes to a 529 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,720 lot of people, k Y and the school and the 530 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:35,240 resources and the boosters and all that to make BYU 531 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,759 an attractive spot for some of the best players. And 532 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,480 the fact that we've got aj is unheard of obviously. 533 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,240 And then even Rob Wright, you know, coming from Baylor 534 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,599 to BYU. I mean, who would have ever seen that happening? 535 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,160 And he he is one of my favorites man. He 536 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:55,160 is so good, so consistent, so tough. And of course Richie, 537 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,480 who's just the unicorn nowadays with his loyalty to the 538 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,880 university and all the things he does and how hard 539 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640 he plays. I mean that Utah game, Ben, I've never 540 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,519 seen a bigger heart on display. He willed the team 541 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,039 to victory. He kind of put the team on his 542 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,559 back and got those big rebounds and made big shots 543 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,759 and so yeah, I mean it's it's I've been doing 544 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,359 a long time, you know, Jim or years were fine. 545 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,200 Every year's fine. But the level of play and how 546 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,720 this team plays is about as ton of time as 547 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,200 I've had in those thirty years. 548 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 4: You mentioned Richie, the Todd King. I was having a 549 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,599 discussion with Jay Drew earlier in the show, and we're like, 550 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,480 how pivotal was that retention? 551 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, what if he would 552 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,400 have ended up at at Kentucky. 553 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: Maybe that Kentucky team goes to an Elite eight last 554 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,480 year and they get through the Sweet sixteen. 555 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: If Richie's on. 556 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,759 Speaker 4: That squad this year, they're probably doing a whole lot 557 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,720 better because they have a glue guy, a leader, a 558 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,359 guy that sets the tone, that creates continuity and executes 559 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,920 and gets everyone bought in for what Mark Pope is building. 560 00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: The fact that b Yu was able to retain rich she. 561 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,279 Speaker 4: Is probably not not heralded enough, is one of the 562 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,680 greatest recruiting efforts that the staff has been able to execute. 563 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:12,799 Speaker 1: It really really is. 564 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 7: And you know, I can't speak to specifics, but I 565 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:21,039 want people to understand that Richie left a lot on 566 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:24,119 the table to stay at BYU as good as by 567 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,079 US resources are. 568 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 569 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 7: He stayed because he wanted to and he loves the university, 570 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,200 and so yeah, as a fan, I'm grateful to him 571 00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:39,759 for that. But I think the obviously aj is is 572 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,079 even a I think a seasoned professional level player right now, 573 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,640 and he could play in the NBA and be an 574 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,319 All Star right now. But so he's he gets a 575 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,720 lot of attention rightly, so top draft pick guy. But 576 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,079 the best thing I think that ever happened to AJ 577 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,519 is Richie to have that kind of leader ship and 578 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,160 maturity and how to play the game and to learn 579 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,640 from Richie and to take a lot of the pressure 580 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,759 off of AJ to have to do it all himself. 581 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,839 You know, obviously there's other guys. Rob's great, but I mean, 582 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,359 you know, when you have three really good players, you know, 583 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,440 it's just not all about you. It's not all on 584 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,400 your shoulders. So you can kind of, you know, do 585 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,960 your thing and have some pressure taken off of you, 586 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:33,440 both off just the mental pressure that AJ must go through, 587 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,279 but just the pressure to play and deliver at all times. 588 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,519 And AJ, like the other night against TCU, he kind 589 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,640 of took over that game. But for the most part, 590 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,240 you know, he can kind of do his thing, and 591 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,200 because Richie particularly is a leader of that team. And 592 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,079 when you know, Ben, like like when you were senior 593 00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,880 at b YU, I mean, you nobody had played hard 594 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,720 and you nobody practiced harder than you. And when you've 595 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720 got a guy that's that good and sets that tone, like, 596 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,960 you have no excuses. If Richie's playing this hard, I 597 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,759 need to play that this hard. If he's doing getting rebound, 598 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,640 I need to do this. And so when you have 599 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,359 a guy like that and that senior leadership, who's you know, 600 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,400 all American caliber player and he's doing all the little 601 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,480 things that make people great, then you learn from that 602 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 and you have no excuses. And I think it's going 603 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000 to be the best thing that ever happened to AJ 604 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:31,720 was to have Richie on this team. 605 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:35,759 Speaker 4: No excuses, play like a champion. There was a great victory, 606 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640 a gritty one, an ugly one, a beautifully ugly one. 607 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440 But when does the win is win over TCU? What 608 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,559 were your takeaways from that matchup late last night? That's 609 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,039 the That's one of the latest games you've probably had 610 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:48,839 to call recently. 611 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 7: I guess there's reasons for it. 612 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,359 Speaker 1: If I'm the horn. 613 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 7: Frogs, I'm pretty upset that I had to do that 614 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,519 because it was even later for them their body clock. 615 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,960 But I mean, I just don't get it. I mean, 616 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,000 maybe West Coast, but even West Coast it's eight o'clock star. 617 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,319 I'm like, what is the point of that? It seems silly, 618 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,200 But I you know, I get there's TV and all 619 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,039 that kind of stuff, but anyway, it was late, but 620 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,119 it's nice. 621 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:13,279 Speaker 1: You know. 622 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,359 Speaker 7: I just had a nice meal before and got all 623 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240 that out of the way before the game, so it 624 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:19,480 didn't bother me too much. 625 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:20,759 Speaker 1: But the yeah, the game. 626 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 7: You know, Ben, I've been kind of waiting for that 627 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,039 game because everybody, every team has a game where it's 628 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,480 just not their night. It's you know, you come off 629 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:34,079 of a pretty intense rivalry game, it's certainly right for 630 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,519 a letdown, a trap game, whatever you want to call it. 631 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,839 And I just felt like, eventually, these guys are gonna 632 00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,480 have an off night and they're gonna lose one, and 633 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,079 it's just gonna be one of those things. And I 634 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,880 was almost resigned myself to that. The great thing about 635 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,160 last night was they had that game. They had their 636 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,359 worst shooting night both from three and from two of 637 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,240 the year, and yet they won. So you can have 638 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,279 your bad game, the off game that inevitably you're going 639 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,240 to have, and still win. That's pretty good and it 640 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,279 shows you how good they are. And AJ was under 641 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,839 the weather, looked as bad as I've seen him play 642 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,119 in the first half, but man, he found something in 643 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,599 about eight to ten minutes of that second half where 644 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,359 he was great. 645 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: And the thing I'm. 646 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,839 Speaker 7: Impressed about Aj is whether it's Yukon or Clemson or 647 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,680 whenever Byu needs him to be great, he has been 648 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:36,400 great and he found something deep inside and he was 649 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,599 kind of his game where he will BYU the victory 650 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,160 there to get them back in the lead. And so yeah, 651 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200 I mean it was it was not a good game. 652 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,640 It was their letdown game, and yet somehow they managed 653 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,039 to win it. And so that's pretty cool. I mean, 654 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,640 you usually don't escape those kind of games with a win, 655 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,039 and so hopefully you learn some lessons, but you still 656 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,599 have a w the win, call him, and so that 657 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:03,960 that's that's good for this team. I expect them to 658 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,519 play much better, even though they're going into a tough, 659 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,280 tough place this weekend against Texas Tech and Lebock. But 660 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,280 I think they'll actually play a lot better and we'll 661 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,320 have a chance in that game. 662 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,519 Speaker 4: Mark, we've discussed this Big three. Some people call it 663 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,719 the brig three, the First Presidency. I mean, there's a 664 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,800 ton of different nicknames for this crew. But you know, 665 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,159 you have to wonder, is this the is this the 666 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,880 best trio in Bou basketball history? Is this better than 667 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,159 the Danny Ainge you know eighty one team with great 668 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,280 kite friend Roberts, I know, I know, I know your 669 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,400 your brother pretty good. 670 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: You know they they had some good squad Mike. We 671 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,239 we've had. 672 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 4: I think the mckelly Wesley crew was good. The Haffa 673 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,800 Travis Hanson crew was pretty good. Is this the best 674 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,679 trio in Bou basketball history? 675 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 7: Yeah, if you if you drill down on it, there's 676 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,639 actually been some really good yeah, really good players, like 677 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,679 you may a lot of them. But I think as 678 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,320 far as. 679 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: You know, recency bias is a thing. 680 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 7: But you know, I just I can't imagine three better 681 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,519 players for Byu at the same time. I mean, Aj 682 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,079 is going to be possibly a number one pick and 683 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,960 so we've never had that. And Rob Wright, Holy cow, 684 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,360 I mean that guy is so good and he's such 685 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,960 as he's a guy that's so consistent too, and he's 686 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,039 steady and make when Byu is struggling, he's the guy 687 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:39,800 that makes a shot and just lightning quick, impossible to 688 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,400 stop him on the dribble penetration. 689 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,039 Speaker 1: And then we've talked about Ritchie. 690 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 7: I mean, you've got three NBA guys. Probably two of 691 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,400 the guys first round NBA guys. One guy is maybe 692 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,880 a first pick, first round guy. So as far as talent, 693 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920 pure talent, I think it's the best three. I mean, 694 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:04,800 they had a chance last night to have the third 695 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,039 consecutive game where they had three guys over twenty points. 696 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,559 Now they fell short of that, but that was like 697 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,760 would be the first time in thirty or forty years 698 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,440 in the entire NCAA that any three players have got 699 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,519 twenty a piece for three consecutive games. So they came 700 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:25,199 close to doing that, which says a lot of itself. 701 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,519 And the great thing about it is, you know, they're 702 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,960 all you know, they're all right around the same scoring, 703 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,559 you know, or right around twenty points a game. They 704 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,880 all shoot a right around the same number of field goals, 705 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,119 they shoot similar percentages. It's amazing kind of the the 706 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,800 balance that they've achieved, because sometimes when you have three 707 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:50,119 excellent players like that, it's hard to get that chemistry 708 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,840 and balance, and guys are thinking I got to get mine, 709 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,280 and you know, but it's just organically, they've found a 710 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:01,840 beautiful balance where they're all contributing, all shooting about the 711 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,199 same amount, all getting about the same amount of points, 712 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,280 and it's just it's really cool to see how those 713 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,440 three have become like a single super super player in 714 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:18,840 one in one in one guy and anyway, it's it's fun. 715 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,239 I mean, I'm waxing trying to wax poetic about it 716 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,679 and failing. But they're they're as good as I've ever seen, 717 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,800 and I've seen, you know, back to the Danny h days. 718 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,079 And that's no slide on anybody. I mean, the fact 719 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,639 they're just that good. And the fact that dy Us 720 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,880 in this possession excuse me, positioned in the big twelve, 721 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,320 in the top ten team and have those kind of 722 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,679 caliber guys, It's like, what what universe are we living in? 723 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,519 And whatever it is, I'm glad I'm living in it. 724 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,119 Speaker 1: Mark. 725 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 4: We were discussing earlier today, who we need to step 726 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,280 up on the bench or from the bench. We have 727 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,719 one of the best starting fives. It's not the best 728 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,159 starting five in college basket, Paul, you can make that argument, 729 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,280 but we need bench players. We need more depth, We 730 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,599 need some consistency there. Who's a guy that you're looking 731 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,400 forward to in the next six weeks to maybe step 732 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,800 up and take that baton or or multiple guys to 733 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,079 take that baton who who's most likely. 734 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 3: To do it. 735 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, one of the things I'm concerned about, and it 736 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,719 was evident last night. As good as the Big three 737 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:35,119 is and Keba is tremendous, it's uh you know, you 738 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,519 get a guy in foul trouble or aj was wasn't 739 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,599 feeling well, it doesn't take a lot to really hurt you. 740 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,880 And uh So they're walking a fine line, playing so 741 00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,519 few guys and relying so much on the Big three. 742 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,880 Uh So you just kind of hope and pray nobody 743 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,719 gets hurt or you stay out of foul trouble or 744 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,280 or you're gonna have some problems. But h and answer 745 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,239 your question, I think they need to go all in 746 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,519 on Hilow. I think he's a good player. He makes 747 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,400 big plays, he plays without fear, he made a big three, 748 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:13,400 had a huge block last night. He brings size, he 749 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,199 stretches the floor. I think you're all in on him, 750 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,360 And I think it really hurt BYU that abdu Ahmed 751 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,840 did not play. I hope he can be healthy because 752 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,480 I think when Cava's out of the game, BYU is 753 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,599 a much different team. But with Bedo he comes in 754 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,719 and they're not that different. He's he's just a big 755 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,320 human and a great shot blocker. 756 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,599 Speaker 1: I'm so pleased with him. 757 00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 7: So I'm all in on Viido and Mahilo, And you know, 758 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,920 other than that, you're gonna have to kind of hope 759 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,599 and you know, hopefully Tyler Moruss makes a player too, 760 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,320 or Kostach or or whoever. But you know, I think seven, 761 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,039 if you have seven guys that you can count on 762 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,519 on the what you does, then they should be all right. 763 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,760 But you know, it's it's a little makes it a 764 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,199 little bit nervous when anybody you know, twists an ankle 765 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480 or is not feeling well or gets in foul trouble, 766 00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,599 because it can really turn on you quickly if if 767 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,679 you don't have those guys ready to go. 768 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 4: I always feel like when we're about to make a run, 769 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,519 like we get it, we get injured, or something like 770 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:26,039 something crazy happens, you know, Like I hate to be 771 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,280 that guy. I'm knocking on wood right now, all the 772 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,360 wood here in my that's in my surrounding area. But 773 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,039 it's like, man, I just hope we can stay healthy, 774 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,199 you know, stay healthy and strong, nourish and strengthened and 775 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000 built for a run in the NCAA tournament. 776 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 7: Well, one of the things you worry about is because 777 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,920 you're not as deep. You know, you're playing those the 778 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,360 Big Tree a lot of minutes, I mean thirty thirty 779 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,199 five more, and so you worry about getting worn down 780 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,639 a little bit. And just in that TCU game, you know, 781 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,760 Aj was on the floor for a long time and 782 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,760 I was worried that he was injured, and Rob Wright 783 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,719 was knocked and he was limping for a while. I 784 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,199 ate and Richie in the post game had a big 785 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,599 ice bag on his caf and he was in kind 786 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,639 of twisted his ankle late. And so yeah, you know, 787 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,559 you find all the wood you can and knock on 788 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:25,280 it because this team is a potential title contender, a 789 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:31,920 Final four National championship contender, with everybody ready to play 790 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,679 and healthy. But if anything goes wrong, then it might 791 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,280 spoil the apple cart and turn the apple cart upside down, 792 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,159 because there's just not a lot of room for error. 793 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:43,639 Speaker 1: There is. 794 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 7: They're they're awesome, they could win it all. I totally 795 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,880 believe that, but it's if one little thing happens, it 796 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,719 could change that equation overnight. 797 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: So you just hope it doesn't and knock on the 798 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,559 wood and and o'. 799 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 7: BYU fans have had some uff rough what ifs in 800 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,159 their fandom history, but hopefully this year won't be one 801 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:06,440 of them. 802 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 4: Mark Durant, Ladies and Gentlemen, partner at Dorsey and Whitney LLP. 803 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,159 His specialty is obviously on the radio waves as the 804 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,480 color commentates alongside Greg Rubel on the BYU Sports Netw're 805 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:24,840 talking hoops, but he's also pretty good at real estate law, 806 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:28,159 So shout out to Dorsey and Whitney ll P. If 807 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,039 you need any real estate lawyering, then you got to 808 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,639 hit up my guy, Mark Durant. Mark, we always appreciate 809 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400 our time together. I appreciate you hopping on to give 810 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,320 his nuggets and truth and knowledge and all manner of 811 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,199 by basketball commentary. 812 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 7: Well, you know I love you and I'm happy to 813 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,599 come on anytime, and I'm excited about this weekend at 814 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:48,239 Texas Tech. 815 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: And give give Ron a big kiss for me, will you. 816 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,079 Speaker 4: I shall give him a big hug, big kiss, big 817 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,400 smooch for you. 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From all 848 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,880 of us here at ESPN the Fan, we wish you 849 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,280 a very very good night, have a safe night. 850 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 3: You've been listening