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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boiseidah.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your host, Adam Graham. If you have a comment,

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get started, I want to dedicate this program

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<v Speaker 1>to the memory of Dragnet cast member and most notably

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<v Speaker 1>the star of Adam twelve, Martin Milner, who passed away

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<v Speaker 1>on September sixth at the age of eighty three. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about mister Milner after the program. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for today's episode of Dragnet. The original air dates

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<v Speaker 1>September the seventh of nineteen fifty. In the title The

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<v Speaker 1>Big Poison.

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<v Speaker 2>The story you are about to hear is true, only

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<v Speaker 2>the names have been changed to protect the innocent Dragnet.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a detective sergeant here assigned the homicide detail. An

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<v Speaker 2>old couple suddenly disappeared from one of the fashionable neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>in your city. There's no trace of them, not to

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<v Speaker 2>their whereabouts. Foul play is suspected. Your job find.

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<v Speaker 3>Them Dragnet, the documented drama of an actual crime. For

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<v Speaker 3>the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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<v Speaker 3>side of the law through an actual case from official

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<v Speaker 3>police folence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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<v Speaker 3>Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Saturday, September thirtieth. Was warm in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>We were working the day shift out a homicide. My

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<v Speaker 4>partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Blaine Steed. My

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<v Speaker 4>name is Friday. Was three forty five pm when I

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<v Speaker 4>got to room sixty seven to eight missing persons.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Jim, Hi, where's al next door? I'll be back

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<v Speaker 5>in a minute.

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<v Speaker 6>The phone message for you and the book from your wife?

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<v Speaker 5>What is it this time? She didn't say it have

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<v Speaker 5>been a bad week. Oh, what's the matter? Lou see him?

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<v Speaker 6>Who our cat again? Kittens?

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<v Speaker 5>Had to let them them by the time I left

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<v Speaker 5>the house. Who was a healthy kid? Yeah? And what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna do with him? Hey, your mother likes cats,

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't it you?

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<v Speaker 4>You gave us two from the last letter. We still

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<v Speaker 4>got him as healthy as their mother. Yeah, never pass

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<v Speaker 4>up a meal.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Joe Hill, sorry to keep you away, Just getting

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<v Speaker 7>this report straightened up.

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<v Speaker 8>Ego, mister and missus Walter Aperson, how long they've been missing?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, today's the fourth day. They're an notaly couple. One

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<v Speaker 7>of their next door neighbors got a little worried when

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<v Speaker 7>he didn't see him around the house. Came in yesterday

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<v Speaker 7>and filed at three sixteen on him. See Clarence Stokely.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that the neighbor?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this is here.

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<v Speaker 7>He lived next to the Appersons for twenty eight years.

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<v Speaker 7>Never known who to take off like this. Checked Aperson's

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<v Speaker 7>cottage out there, dirty dishes on the kitchen table. Not

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<v Speaker 7>the way an old couple leave the house normally. How

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<v Speaker 7>about friends and relevants, Stokely called him. None of them

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<v Speaker 7>seen or heard from the abersence for a week. Checked

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<v Speaker 7>two of their three living relatives, cousin of Eagle Rock,

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<v Speaker 7>and he's to know Hamburg.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know thing.

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<v Speaker 8>I wonder if I can see that man? Yeah, thank you? Well,

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<v Speaker 8>how about the third route team, nephew?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that it Joe?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Frank Apperson says here he goes to a private college

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<v Speaker 4>out near MONROEVI I haven't.

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<v Speaker 5>Been able to contact the kiddies away on a vacation.

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<v Speaker 5>Possibly old couple might be with him.

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<v Speaker 7>Not, according to Stokely, says the Apperson seldom spending time

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<v Speaker 7>away from their home.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all we've got to go on. Huh just the

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<v Speaker 5>neighbor's story.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, he says he checked the garage too. Of

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<v Speaker 7>the absence car's gone.

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<v Speaker 5>How does that die in?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, mister Apperson.

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<v Speaker 5>Hasn't driven the car for the last year and a half.

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<v Speaker 7>He has a nephew or some friend drive whenever he

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<v Speaker 5>One more thing may mean something, may not.

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<v Speaker 6>Want missus Afferson's an invalid.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, she has left the neighborhood in ten years.

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<v Speaker 6>Four PM.

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<v Speaker 4>Then and I left the office and drove out the

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<v Speaker 4>interview the neighbor of the missing couple. After checking at

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<v Speaker 4>his home, we finally located him at his place of business,

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<v Speaker 4>a small barber shop at the corner of fifty fourth Street.

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<v Speaker 6>In Laxford Place.

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<v Speaker 4>The chip gold lettering on the window read Jim Dandyton

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<v Speaker 4>Sorroyl Parlor. Smaller lettering in the right hand corner of

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<v Speaker 4>the window read the proprietor, Clarence Stokely. Except for a

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<v Speaker 4>man in a white barber's smock sitting in the first chair.

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<v Speaker 6>The shop was empty.

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<v Speaker 8>Dear gentlemen, Oh yeah, you clar Stoven. That's right police officers,

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<v Speaker 8>meter Stope. I'd like to talk to you about the

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<v Speaker 8>missing person's report you filed yesterday. Oh yes, God to

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<v Speaker 8>help you find out anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Yet you know the appers pretty well, do you?

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<v Speaker 9>Mister Stoker twenty eight years sure worried about Boiler and Kate.

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<v Speaker 5>Never known him to do anything like this. Say, I

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't be of service to you, could I?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I just had her good few days ago. How

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<v Speaker 8>about you, Joe, like you could stand a trim?

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<v Speaker 9>We could talk it over while I cut your hair.

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<v Speaker 9>Don't think we'd be disturbed? Nice to look?

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<v Speaker 6>Well? Yeah, okay, fine, yeah, I'll take a coat.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. As Jay.

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<v Speaker 8>M and missus Apperson didn't mention anything about going away

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<v Speaker 8>on a trip, didn't they?

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<v Speaker 5>Not a word? That's what makes it so strange. And

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<v Speaker 5>let me fix this around your next year.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, play cards with them twice a week usually, Katie.

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<v Speaker 9>A person's a fine whisp player. Want me to take

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<v Speaker 9>some off the sides here, officer?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Please, not not too much though, when did you first

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<v Speaker 4>notice the Appersons weren't.

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<v Speaker 5>Home Tuesday night? We thought we might go over and

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<v Speaker 5>play some cards. I see, got enough off right here, officer,

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<v Speaker 5>let me see.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>I was if you waited until yesterday to report the

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<v Speaker 5>appers is missing.

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<v Speaker 9>Wife and I are great friends of Walk and Katies,

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<v Speaker 9>but it's certainly none of our business if they want

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<v Speaker 9>to go off for a few days. Besides, he thought

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<v Speaker 9>if anything was wrong, Buzz would have said something. Oh

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<v Speaker 9>was Budd Anderson's nest for Bud name is Frank? Would

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<v Speaker 9>ever called him Buzz? I thought he was away at

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<v Speaker 9>school placed out in near Monrovia.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Stanley College, private school, and then he stays that

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<v Speaker 5>part of the time. It's usually home, Honey.

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<v Speaker 8>In the week, we were under the impression of this nephew,

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<v Speaker 8>Buzz was on a vacation.

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<v Speaker 9>That's so, that's the first time I've heard honey, Walk

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<v Speaker 9>and Katy would have told us.

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<v Speaker 5>Boom, sorry, there's a little dumb head down.

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<v Speaker 4>You think the nephew might account for the air person's

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<v Speaker 4>car being missing.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he might have taken it on his vacation.

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<v Speaker 9>Possible, I guess, But I think what would have mentioned it?

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<v Speaker 9>The car was over, but he was particular about it.

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<v Speaker 9>Maybe sit it out on top here a little.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, fine, do you know the nephew at all?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty well? My young fellow.

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<v Speaker 6>He got along with his aunt and uncle, all right,

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<v Speaker 6>just indeed I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Loved them both. Do you have any idea where the

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<v Speaker 5>abersence might be, mister Stelphan, No, I don't either does

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<v Speaker 5>my wife. That's why we called you people. You don't

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<v Speaker 5>mean to be Bardinski's, but we're worried. Maybe just a

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<v Speaker 5>little more off the top officer.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's fine, it's okay. You have no idea where

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<v Speaker 4>we might find the nephew, Buzz not.

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<v Speaker 9>If he's away on vacation. Might check with the school.

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<v Speaker 9>Buzz might have gone off with a couple of his friends.

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<v Speaker 9>There something to dampen that down. Yeah fine, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 9>porch lighted theirs burning for three nights and three days.

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<v Speaker 5>It really kicks up the old electric bill.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe the a persons may have overlooked it.

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<v Speaker 9>Maybe, all right, sir, that's a good looking haircut, if

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<v Speaker 9>I say so myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>Here you go, thank you. Oh, here's our card, mister Stokely.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be checking, will you.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye?

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<v Speaker 4>Bye, Can I borrow your comb? Barber never combs your

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<v Speaker 4>hair right, that's not gonna help you. Huh, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>way you cut it.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 5>He put the part on the other side.

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<v Speaker 4>After we left Clarence Stokely's barber shop, we go out

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<v Speaker 4>to the Apperson home on fifty fourth Street, just below

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<v Speaker 4>Seaboard Avenue. We checked the house from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 4>The closets and the bedrooms were well stocked with clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>None of the luggage seemed to be missing. In the basement,

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<v Speaker 4>back on one of the covered shelves, we found a

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<v Speaker 4>bottle of cyanide. It was half filled. In the kitchen

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<v Speaker 4>we found dirty dishes still lying on the table. We

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<v Speaker 4>put in a call to Raye Pinker at the crime

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<v Speaker 4>lab and he came out and took sample scrapings from

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<v Speaker 4>each of the three plates and specimens from each of

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<v Speaker 4>the half filled cups of coffee on the table. He

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<v Speaker 4>also took along the bottle of cyanide to examine it

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<v Speaker 4>for fingerprints. Ben and I called the record bureau just

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<v Speaker 4>as a matter of routine and asked for any making

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<v Speaker 4>warrants on the nephew Frank buzz Afersen R and I

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<v Speaker 4>called back with the information that Frank Aperson had been

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<v Speaker 4>arrested for grand theft auto six weeks before his trial

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<v Speaker 4>was pending. We checked back with the barber, Clarence Stokely,

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<v Speaker 4>he knew nothing about the trouble. The next morning, Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>with the help of school authorities at Stanley College near Monrovia,

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<v Speaker 4>we got in touch with the parents of two of

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<v Speaker 4>buzz Aperson's friends. They told us, as far as they knew,

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<v Speaker 4>Aperson was on a camping trip with their sons. They

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<v Speaker 4>were expected back in the next day around noontime. From

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<v Speaker 4>one of the boarding students at Stanley College, we got

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<v Speaker 4>the name of buzz Averson's girlfriend, of missus Norma Louise Bernard.

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<v Speaker 6>She lived in San Marino. Sunday night, we drove out

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<v Speaker 6>to interviewer.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know what I can tell you, Sergeant. Buzzy's

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<v Speaker 10>on a camping trip with two of the fellas from school.

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<v Speaker 10>That's all I know.

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<v Speaker 5>When did he leave? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 6>Miss nine?

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<v Speaker 10>Last Monday morning they left from school, said they'd be

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<v Speaker 10>gone for a week. They're coming back tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 6>You know a buzz Aferson pretty well?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I do, as well as anyone I guess what

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<v Speaker 10>is he?

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<v Speaker 6>Just a casual date?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, Buzzy and I've been going steady for almost a

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<v Speaker 10>year now.

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<v Speaker 5>I see how old are you?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm nineteen.

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<v Speaker 6>Have you ever met the apersons? His aunt and his.

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<v Speaker 5>Uncle just once?

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<v Speaker 10>They're awfully sweet.

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<v Speaker 5>How did Buzz get along with him?

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<v Speaker 6>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 10>Fine, I guess the only argument Buzz ever told me

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<v Speaker 10>about was a month ago he wanted more allowance and

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<v Speaker 10>his uncle said no.

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<v Speaker 5>Was Buzz ever in any trouble to your annollege, Miss Vernine?

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think I know what you mean. What kind

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, was he ever in any trouble at

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<v Speaker 10>Oh you mean that car Buzz took about two months ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>we were supposed to go to this school dance and

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<v Speaker 10>Buzz didn't have a car. I guess he was ashamed.

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<v Speaker 10>He said he knew the fella he borrowed the car from.

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<v Speaker 10>But the day after the dance the cops came.

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<v Speaker 5>How did his uncle react, Well, there was a.

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<v Speaker 10>Terrible row, Buzz said, I really shouldn't be telling you

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<v Speaker 10>Bud Masby's promise.

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<v Speaker 8>How were feelings between the boy and his uncle before

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<v Speaker 8>he left on the trip.

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<v Speaker 6>Did he mentioned anything to you about that?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we had a date last Sunday night. I asked

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<v Speaker 10>him how things were at home. He didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 10>want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Last time you saw him was Monday morning?

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<v Speaker 10>All right, Yes, just before he left on the camping trip.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're sure he went on that trip?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, of course, I'm sure. How do you mean, he said, No,

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<v Speaker 10>matter who asked you, I went on a camping trip,

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<v Speaker 10>he said it a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you offer any explanation?

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<v Speaker 10>No, but I knew everything was all right.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh? Was that so I could tell?

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<v Speaker 10>Wade kissed me.

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<v Speaker 4>The next morning, Monday? Then and I checked with missing persons.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no additional information on the missing couple. We

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<v Speaker 4>phoned the barber, Clarence Stokely, he had seen or heard

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<v Speaker 4>nothing further of mister and missus. Apperson went down to

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<v Speaker 4>the bank where the Apersons had their account.

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<v Speaker 5>With the help of the manager, we found.

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<v Speaker 4>That three checks had been passed on the apperson Checking

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<v Speaker 4>accounts since the previous Wednesday, a full day after the

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<v Speaker 4>missing cup had been last seen. One check was for

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred dollars and two for fifty dollars each.

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<v Speaker 6>All of them had.

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<v Speaker 4>Been cashed in Los Angeles and all bore the signature

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<v Speaker 4>Walter Apperson. After examination was found each signature had been

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<v Speaker 4>carefully forged. Ten forty five am went back to the office.

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<v Speaker 5>Hire you too, going sumblers? Oh hi, Ray, now just coming?

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<v Speaker 6>You finished checking it stuff as a crime man?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was passing over this way. I thought i'd

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<v Speaker 5>drop off the report for you. Got it right here?

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<v Speaker 5>How to go?

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<v Speaker 8>Finger Prints on that bottle of cyanide Latin prince gotta make.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's the name on it. Frank was Aperson.

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<v Speaker 8>You look over those dirty dishes we found in the

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<v Speaker 8>Aperson house, checked them through nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>How about the samples you took from those cups.

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<v Speaker 5>Whoever drank that cuffee is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 6>It's loaded.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, enough sinid to kill a horse.

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<v Speaker 3>You are listening to Dragnet the case history of a

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<v Speaker 3>police investigation presented in the Public Interest.

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<v Speaker 6>Monday, one pm.

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<v Speaker 4>We obtained a specimen of Frank buzz Aferson's signature and

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<v Speaker 4>we had Don Myers and handwriting check it out against

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<v Speaker 4>the signatures on the three checks. Both styles of handwriting

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<v Speaker 4>matched in every detail. At one thirty pm, the parents

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<v Speaker 4>of buzz Aperson's two friends called to tell us that

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<v Speaker 4>their sons were back from their camping trip. We checked

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<v Speaker 4>the Aperson home. The nephew wasn't there. We drove out

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<v Speaker 4>to see his two friends. Under questioning, one of them

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<v Speaker 4>finally broke and admitted that buzz Aferson had not gone

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<v Speaker 4>with him on the camping trip. In the process of

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<v Speaker 4>questioning the boys, one of them told us that he

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<v Speaker 4>had been with a suspect two days before the trip

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<v Speaker 4>when he purchased some medicine at the campus drug store.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to the drugstore and checked the prescription book.

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<v Speaker 4>It showed Frank buzz Aferson had purchased and signed for

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<v Speaker 4>a bottle of cyanide two days before the disappearance of

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<v Speaker 4>his ants. Uncle Ben and I drove back to the

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<v Speaker 4>Apperson house. When we arrived, the officers on steakeout had

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<v Speaker 4>the boy in custody.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm sorry, officers, I wish I could help you out,

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<v Speaker 5>but well, maybe it's not as bad as you think.

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<v Speaker 5>When did you last see your aunt and uncle Monday

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<v Speaker 5>before I left on the camping trip. You in the

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<v Speaker 5>habit of going off like this other? Oh? Sure, Aunt

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<v Speaker 5>Kate and Uncle Walter have friends all over. They go

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<v Speaker 5>on trips all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that so?

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<v Speaker 5>So?

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<v Speaker 8>How do they get there? They drive, both of them.

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<v Speaker 8>They've been driving for years. Talk to your uncle's friend,

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<v Speaker 8>mister Stokely next door. He says, your aunt and uncle,

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<v Speaker 8>I haven't been driving for least a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 5>Stokely the barber. He's one of the neighborhood cranks. Sergeant,

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<v Speaker 5>anybody around here can tell you that mind's everybody's business

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<v Speaker 5>but his own. You don't seem too worried about your

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<v Speaker 5>aunt and uncle. I think they're all right. Well, we'dn't

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<v Speaker 5>heard by now if they weren't, don't you think, sir?

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<v Speaker 5>They probably took off on a trip that's just about

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<v Speaker 5>the size of it. I think.

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<v Speaker 4>How about this trip of yours, sir, Well, this camping

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<v Speaker 4>trip that you just come from.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, a couple of fellas from school. We went camping

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<v Speaker 5>up by Big Bear for a week. Pretty good fishing

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<v Speaker 5>for September. You ever been up there?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Have you for sure? I just said that's where we've

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<v Speaker 5>been camping. So I'm a little thirsty. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of bottles of ale and the refrigerator. Care for a bottle?

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<v Speaker 5>Would you mind if I had one? Sure could use it?

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<v Speaker 6>No, you go right ahead? Would you talk?

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<v Speaker 5>In the kitchen places in kind of a mess, so

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<v Speaker 5>I'll have to go in clean it up.

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<v Speaker 8>You your rent usually leave in a hurry like that.

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<v Speaker 8>Not usually no dishes all over the place. She probably

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<v Speaker 8>figured she'd wait till she got back to clean up.

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<v Speaker 8>Aunt Kate does things like that once in a while.

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<v Speaker 5>That's him. Yeah, she's like that sometimes. Well happy days?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, Buzz, you want to tell us where are they?

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<v Speaker 5>Your aunt and uncle? What happened?

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<v Speaker 10>Say?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I know what you're talking about. What's

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<v Speaker 5>the trouble?

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<v Speaker 8>Come on, Buzz, you know what the trouble is. Let's

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<v Speaker 8>have a straight story. I'm gonna save a lot of time, sir.

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<v Speaker 8>We can draw it out as long as you lie.

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<v Speaker 8>It be a lot easier if you co operate.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I don't know what you're thinking, sergeant, but whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it is, I don't understand you. What are you getting at?

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<v Speaker 5>Something's happened to your aunt and uncle. We're pretty sure

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<v Speaker 5>you know what it is. Well, how could I I've

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<v Speaker 5>been away in this camping trip.

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<v Speaker 6>You've been away, but not on a camping trip.

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<v Speaker 5>Sir. We've checked you out from the day you came

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<v Speaker 5>to live with your aunt and uncle. Boy, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>make us spell out the whole record. Boy, But I've

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<v Speaker 5>been away. I just got back. I don't know what's happened.

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<v Speaker 4>We found a bottle of cyanide in the basement covered.

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<v Speaker 4>Your fingerprints are all over it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, sure that figures. We use it for bug poison

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<v Speaker 5>in the garden. I take care of the garden. I

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<v Speaker 5>use it all the time, use it in coffee, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>The police chemist checked what was left, and two of

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<v Speaker 4>the cups that were on the table there cyanide in

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<v Speaker 4>both of them.

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<v Speaker 6>And have to kill six people.

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<v Speaker 4>Hell, look, boy, we've talked to your neighbors, your teachers,

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<v Speaker 4>your girlfriend Norma, those two pals you were supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>go camping with.

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<v Speaker 5>Now we can drag all of them out if we

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<v Speaker 5>have to. They're going to make a liar on.

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<v Speaker 6>You, Sir. I think you got it the first time.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there couldn't be any cyanide in those cups. Why

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<v Speaker 5>should there be? We think you didn't tell us that.

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<v Speaker 5>But I can't. I don't know anything about this. I

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<v Speaker 5>have any idea what you're talking about it? Is this

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of a gag? You know better than men?

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<v Speaker 5>How about those checks buzz, sir, the ones you forged

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<v Speaker 5>your uncle's signature on. You need the money?

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<v Speaker 6>That bad?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't forge any checks. I was away on a

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<v Speaker 5>camping trip. David Willie were with me. They can tell

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<v Speaker 5>you you've got in a row with your uncle.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe about that stolen cars.

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<v Speaker 5>That how it happened, It had nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to see Norma. I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 5>David Willy. They'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 8>How about the man at the campus drugst Sir, when

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<v Speaker 8>you bought the cyanide from you? Want to talk to

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<v Speaker 8>him too?

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<v Speaker 10>Look?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you two fellas kidding me? This must be some

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<v Speaker 5>kind of a gag.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it your aunt and uncle are missing? There's evidence

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<v Speaker 4>of foul play? Now does that sound like a joke?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? How should I know where they are? I wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to talk to Norma. I want to see

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<v Speaker 5>Dave and Willie. They'll tell you. Why don't we drive

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<v Speaker 5>over and see him?

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<v Speaker 11>Now?

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<v Speaker 6>It's all right with us. I wanna get your coaked.

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<v Speaker 12>Sure, Mom is a girl I'm engaged to. Dadan Willie

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<v Speaker 12>are my best friends. You know everything about me, A

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<v Speaker 12>couple of real nice guys and so sure.

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<v Speaker 6>O that's cooling.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Aaden Willie been all through school with me thinking

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<v Speaker 5>about you for me.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure you can take their word too, we will.

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<v Speaker 4>Five point fifty pm, we left the Aferson house, drove

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<v Speaker 4>across town and headed over the Arroyo Seco toward the

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<v Speaker 4>home of the suspect's friend, Dave Killerfer six thirty three pm,

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<v Speaker 4>WHI took a right turn.

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<v Speaker 6>Off the freeway, headed south for.

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<v Speaker 4>Another mile, and finally pulled up in front of the

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<v Speaker 4>killer for home.

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<v Speaker 6>Buzz Afferson's friend Dave met us at the front door.

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<v Speaker 5>What's it all about anyway, Buss, what's the pitch? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what I want to know. Look, is this some

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<v Speaker 5>kind of a gag you guys cooked up on me?

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<v Speaker 5>We were on the trip, Buzz, I don't know anything

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<v Speaker 5>about any gag. What's all this about your aunt? Knuckle?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. That's what these officers want to find out.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd like to have you tell us again. Dave was

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<v Speaker 8>Buzz here with you on that gavinger.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, that's why we came over. I'll tell him about it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, all right, let's have it, Dave. Was he

431
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<v Speaker 5>with you on that trip?

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<v Speaker 13>These officers aren't kidding, Buzz. They want the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>Well tell him I was with you and Willie. We

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<v Speaker 5>went to Big Bear.

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<v Speaker 13>You're looking for your aunt, knuckle. I'm not gonna lie now.

436
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<v Speaker 5>You didn't go to Big.

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<v Speaker 13>Bear with us?

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

439
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<v Speaker 6>D thanks?

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<v Speaker 5>Well he's lying. Officers? Who puts you up to this stunt? Dave?

441
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<v Speaker 5>They'll throw you in the jug for a gag like this?

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<v Speaker 5>Who's behind it? You're the guy who said it was

443
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<v Speaker 5>a gag?

444
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<v Speaker 13>You told us to tell everybody Rubbert the Big Bear

445
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<v Speaker 13>was Willy and me? How about leveling? What's it about?

446
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<v Speaker 13>He's lying? What's it about? You've got nothing to hide,

447
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<v Speaker 13>have you?

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<v Speaker 5>He's lying? You can tell that, can't you. Let's go

449
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<v Speaker 5>talk to Willie. He'll tell you the truth. Joe.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, thank you, Dave.

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<v Speaker 13>That's all all right, sergeant. Sure, there isn't anything I

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<v Speaker 13>can do?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks, just the same, good night, okay, good night. Anybody

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<v Speaker 5>could tell he was lying, isn't that right? Sergeant?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he's your friend, was Why do you say that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? He was just plain lying, that's all. Couldn't you tell? No?

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 6>How about you? Ben?

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<v Speaker 5>Mean? Why would you lie?

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<v Speaker 6>Boy?

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<v Speaker 5>He told us he was your pair some kind of

463
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<v Speaker 5>a stupid gag. They're pulling gang in the fraternity I

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<v Speaker 5>belong to. Dave's one of them. They've done it before.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know why they're lying, but they are.

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<v Speaker 6>Where's your friend Willy live?

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<v Speaker 5>Sir?

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<v Speaker 6>You said you wanted to drive over and have us

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<v Speaker 6>talk to Willie? Oh yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Where does he live? Look? Would you mind very much?

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<v Speaker 5>How's that? I got a terrible headache?

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<v Speaker 14>Would you mind very much? Just driving around a while?

473
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<v Speaker 14>I'd like to clear my head a little. I can't

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<v Speaker 14>figure this thing out?

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<v Speaker 5>All right? Watch you roll down the window there?

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<v Speaker 6>Buzz?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, yeah, yeah, it feels good.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure is hot out tonight. H's been a pretty long summer,

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? It has?

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<v Speaker 5>Say, I guess maybe we ought to forget about going

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<v Speaker 5>over to Willie's place. He strings along with the rest.

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<v Speaker 6>He'd probably lie too, He said, you wanted.

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<v Speaker 5>To want to just have a cok with him? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but I've been thinking about it. He'd only lie. It'd

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<v Speaker 5>be better if we drove over to see Norma. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the girl I'm engaged to.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what we understand.

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<v Speaker 5>If anybody can give you a straight story, Norma can.

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<v Speaker 5>She doesn't move far straight down the road here in

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<v Speaker 5>the San Marino.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we know.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, sure would appreciate it if you drive over there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>Norma can straighten this thing out. Swell girl, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>get married as soon as we can.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she saw me leave on that trip to Big Bear.

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<v Speaker 5>She won't lie to you. Sure. Wish my aunt and

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<v Speaker 5>uncle had left a note where they were going. All

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<v Speaker 5>this trouble, you might have finally had a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>things for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Buzz, How what do you mean when a police officer

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<v Speaker 4>picked somebody up, he's got a good reason for it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but Dave was lying, Sergeant. You know that. It's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot more on what Dave had to say. You've

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<v Speaker 5>done something wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know what exactly, but we've got an idea

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to find out.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't prove anything. I got that cyanide for the garden.

510
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<v Speaker 5>We used around the house for different things.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't use it in coffee cups. What happened? Boy?

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<v Speaker 6>Where's your aunt and uncle?

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<v Speaker 5>Next? Turn for normous house up by the signal turn left.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, come on, buzz, you know what happened. You're gonna

515
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<v Speaker 4>have to face it sooner or later. If it's not tonight,

516
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<v Speaker 4>then tomorrow morning or tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>Night or the night after. I don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>The facts say you do, and they're not gonna disappear.

519
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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>You made the problem.

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<v Speaker 6>It's gonna stick out in front of you. I'll you

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<v Speaker 6>find an answer.

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<v Speaker 5>How about it? Normal? Know what to do? Way till

524
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<v Speaker 5>I talk to Norman? Why don't you stand up and

525
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<v Speaker 5>face it?

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<v Speaker 6>Boy? Getting your girl mixed up? And this isn't gonna help.

527
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<v Speaker 5>She'll know what to do.

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<v Speaker 6>Can she finds your aunt and uncle? Can't she? How

529
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<v Speaker 6>about the three checks? How about them?

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<v Speaker 5>Can she explain those signatures that you forged?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe those fingerprints in the cyanide bottle? Can she help

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<v Speaker 4>you out there? I look, Buzz, I believe you. You

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<v Speaker 4>love the girl?

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<v Speaker 6>If you want to mixed up in all this?

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<v Speaker 5>Who we are? Joe? Okay, that's the right house, isn't it. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>That's Norma's house? All right?

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<v Speaker 6>What's it gonna be? Do we win?

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<v Speaker 15>She'd cry, She'd only cried, Norma thinks a lot of me. Yeah,

539
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<v Speaker 15>she's a swell girl. I don't want to have to

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<v Speaker 15>tell her. She don't cry, you know, I killed my

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<v Speaker 15>aunt and uncle.

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<v Speaker 6>Eight pm.

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<v Speaker 4>Buzz Aperson directed this to drive to San Pedro, to

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<v Speaker 4>the west basin of the Los Angeles Harbor. We got

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<v Speaker 4>out of the car and followed him to the end

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<v Speaker 4>of one of the piers. He told us his story,

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<v Speaker 4>and we put in a call to the office. Within

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<v Speaker 4>half an hour, a fireboat and a barge were on

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<v Speaker 4>the scene, and a diver was sent down into the

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<v Speaker 4>water a few yards from the edge.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the pier.

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<v Speaker 4>We stood by and watched buzz Aferson, Ben and I.

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<v Speaker 5>I put quite a bit of sign I had in

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<v Speaker 5>the coffee. I had to be sure. How'd you managed

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<v Speaker 5>to get both of them in the car.

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<v Speaker 14>I waited till way after dark, and then I dragged

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<v Speaker 14>him out, drove down to the end of the pier

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<v Speaker 14>right here, put the car in low.

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<v Speaker 13>It went over.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd rather diver went down just at this end of

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<v Speaker 5>the barge.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, there was liones up there.

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<v Speaker 5>You gotta stand back and yeah, watch it. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 5>let's go, buzz.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, my aunt only one thing missing, boy, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>The reason, why'd you do it?

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not sure anymore stolen car trouble. I guess my

568
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<v Speaker 11>trial was coming up all that of trouble. I didn't

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<v Speaker 11>want my aunt and uncle to go through all that.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, that's why you killed him, I think so.

571
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<v Speaker 11>I didn't want him to be ashamed of me. That

572
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<v Speaker 11>must sound funny.

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<v Speaker 6>Nobody's gonna believe it.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose I don't make any difference.

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<v Speaker 2>The story you have just heard was true, only the

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<v Speaker 2>names were changed to protect the innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>On December fifteenth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

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<v Speaker 3>ninety two, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.

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<v Speaker 3>In a moment the results of that trial.

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<v Speaker 5>And now here is our star, Jack Webb, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>To successfully prosecute a criminal suspect, the working detective gathers

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<v Speaker 4>all available physical evidence in the crime lab. This evidence

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<v Speaker 4>is carefully selected and screened to determine its worth.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank buzz Apperson was tried and convicted of murder in

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<v Speaker 3>the first degree and sentenced to life imprisonment. He is

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<v Speaker 3>now serving his term in the state penitentiary. You have

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<v Speaker 3>just heard Dragnets a series of authentic cases from official files.

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<v Speaker 3>Technical advice for Dragnet come from the Office of Chief

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<v Speaker 3>of Police wh Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.

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<v Speaker 6>Coming up Duffies Tavern. Be sure to hear theater Gil

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<v Speaker 6>Sunday on NBC.

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<v Speaker 16>This is Andrew from Otrwesterns dot com. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 16>invite you to come take a look at our site.

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<v Speaker 16>You're listening to the great Detectives of Old Time Radio

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<v Speaker 16>with Adam Graham. Now let's get back into the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Well, this is another case where uh dragonnat

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<v Speaker 1>told a very different story from other crimes. As if

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<v Speaker 1>you watch the detective movies and the detective calls out

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal, the criminal either breaks down or confesses, or

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<v Speaker 1>grabs a hold of the protagonist pistols and makes a

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<v Speaker 1>desperate dash to escape. Instead, what we see here in

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<v Speaker 1>this more typical murderer investigation is a situation where the

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<v Speaker 1>suspect and inded, the murderer remains in denial in face

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<v Speaker 1>of a mountain pile of evidence. Ineligist becomes too much

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's one of those things that Dragnet portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>that really gave it that touch of realism. And you

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<v Speaker 1>have to admit a sort of this satusfye ending in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways, at least as far as the police are concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the case of what appeared to be a senseless crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and even after is explained, it seems to be almost

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<v Speaker 1>too incongruous. So a very realistic and interesting program. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now we turn to talking about Martin Milner and the

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<v Speaker 1>Chief of the la Police Department, mister Charley Beck, issued

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<v Speaker 1>a statement Adam twelve, and Martin Milner embodied the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of the LAPD to millions of viewers. His dections of

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<v Speaker 1>a tough, a professional and tough yet compassionate cop led

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<v Speaker 1>to thousands of men and women applying to become LAPD officers,

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<v Speaker 1>including me. God speed, Martin. You will live forever in

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts. When it comes to talking about actors' legacies,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a bit of a challenge because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a natural tendency to confuse the actor and the role

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<v Speaker 1>they played. However, in the case of mister Milner and

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Malloy, there's at least some key similarities. Milner was

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<v Speaker 1>considered and considered himself to be a working actor. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't view himself as a big star. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>professional who did his job and did it well, and

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways that was at the core of the

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<v Speaker 1>Malloy character as well, which is I guess what made

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<v Speaker 1>Milner perfect to play the role. Over the years, many

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<v Speaker 1>people have come up to Milner and have let him

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<v Speaker 1>know that they became police officers as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>seeing his performance on Adam twelve. Though the lessons and

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<v Speaker 1>behaviors of Maloy it applied to many lines of work.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that some of my best coworkers, at their

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<v Speaker 1>best moments say have reminded me of Malloy, who was

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<v Speaker 1>always played with not only professionalism, but kindness, saying patience

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<v Speaker 1>when it was an option. And so it was a

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<v Speaker 1>great role from Milner, but there were so many others,

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<v Speaker 1>including Ragna and the movie Pete Kelly's Blues. When Colombo

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<v Speaker 1>began as an ongoing series, he was the first actor

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<v Speaker 1>to play the murder victim. Was a very rich and

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<v Speaker 1>very career for Milner. As time went by, he faded

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<v Speaker 1>from the public view to a great extent, and what

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<v Speaker 1>we can say publicly is that over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>decades of his life, Milner lived a fairly ordinary life.

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<v Speaker 1>He volunteered at his local humane shelter quietly without any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fuss. He loved phishing in that he was

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<v Speaker 1>very vocal about co hosting a phishing talk show for

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years, and he dealt with his own share of

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<v Speaker 1>personal tragedies, including the death of his daughter in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four. ELF, I'm extremely grateful have spent so

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<v Speaker 1>many hours enjoying the fine work that Martin Milner did.

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<v Speaker 1>His professionalism in talent provide a lasting legacy. We won't

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<v Speaker 1>be airing his episodes. He spent four radio episodes as

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Friday's partner, and those are really best listened to

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<v Speaker 1>in context, and his roles in them really are quite limited. However,

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<v Speaker 1>our next video theater will feature a episode of Dragnet

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<v Speaker 1>starring Martin Milner, or i should say, featuring him in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big producer rather than the Big Actor, which had

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<v Speaker 1>been the play we'd been intending to bring you, So

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<v Speaker 1>be sure and listen to that coming up in eight days.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, if you do have a comment, send

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<v Speaker 1>it to me Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net,

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<v Speaker 1>From Boise, Idaho, This is your host, Adam Grahamson and

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