WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.280 Serenity Cox my guest tonight. You know exactly where you 2 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.640 can find her at. Serenity Cox links to everything, all 3 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.159 of our social media. Everywhere we want to support her 4 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.159 is in the episode description below. Please make sure you 5 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:38.280 support the creators that come on our show. 6 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.439 Serenity. Is it a pleasure to meet you. 7 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.960 It's a pleasure to meet you as well. Thanks for 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:43.359 having me. 9 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.200 So I was driving in the car with my wife 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:47.759 earlier and I was like, should I just hit her 11 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:49.159 with some dumb fucking. 12 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:50.039 Joke right off the bat? 13 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:51.759 And I was going to say, did you think it 14 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.640 was fate that you became a porn star with the 15 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.039 last named Cox? And I was like, well, she'll definitely 16 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:01.439 get it, but it's not funny. So I let me 17 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.640 start and ask you, how did you initially get into 18 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:08.239 the adult entertainment industry in whatever form that was, whether 19 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.840 it was camming first or going right into scenes only fans, 20 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.040 whatever you wanted to do. What was the thing that 21 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.599 you jumped into where you crossed the line from vanilla 22 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.560 to the world we live in. 23 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.480 It's so hard for me to answer that in a 24 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:25.120 concise way. I tend to get really wordy because it 25 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.680 was a very long journey with a lot of steps 26 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.680 to it. It's a journey I took with my husband 27 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.599 and it all started out with our exploring a hot 28 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:38.680 wife dynamic in. 29 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.560 Our marriage, and then. 30 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.319 One thing led to another and eventually our content creation 31 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.159 started was just sharing videos of our journey, and it 32 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.879 started very low key. It started on the first flat 33 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.879 platform we used was fet life, and then the second 34 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:59.920 platform used was porn Hub. It was all just free 35 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.480 stuff because we'd really we weren't in it to make money. 36 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.239 We just wanted to share. We were so excited genuinely 37 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.199 for our own like the shit that we were doing, 38 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:10.960 we wanted other people to see it, so we were 39 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.280 just like, this is great, let's put it out there. 40 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.919 So it was just us having a blast and posting footage. 41 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:17.560 Of it on the internet. 42 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.120 And then a few years later it became actually like 43 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.719 a conscious like kind of business. Still we're just filming 44 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.319 our fucking around in our journey that we're having part 45 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.319 of my language. 46 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.759 But yeah, that's how it started. It was just making 47 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.319 videos of our journey. 48 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.000 So if this gets too personal, please stop me. Can 49 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.240 I ask did you come into your marriage in a 50 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.759 swinger open relationship type of situation. This is I've been 51 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.159 interviewing so many performers who started as hot wife or 52 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.960 swinger lifestyle, and I find it so fascinating because I've 53 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.840 been with my wife for almost twenty years now. 54 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:52.080 We met when we were like nineteen. 55 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:56.360 I'm thirty eight, so i have no concept of, like, 56 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.319 you know, spreading out. I've never even, like, you know, 57 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.080 been one of those Oh yeah, I went around fucking college. 58 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.960 Now I've been with my wife the whole time. Was 59 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.960 it something you went into your relationship with knowing this 60 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.919 was the idea? Was it something that came up later 61 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.120 where it was almost like we need to spice this 62 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.960 up in a positive or negative way? What was the 63 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:17.280 turn for you guys? 64 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.800 Again, it was just very like we went into our 65 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.639 relationship totally regular monogamous. 66 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:24.520 I would say regular. 67 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:29.560 We were always very maybe adventurous in our sex life, 68 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:30.360 but we were monogamous. 69 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:31.280 It was just the two of us. 70 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.919 It wasn't until later in our relationship that we decided 71 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.840 to take a path into non monogamy and trying out 72 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:39.479 new things. 73 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:41.120 But yeah, it was. 74 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.400 Yeah, and I tried to Probably every interview I've done 75 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:47.280 it has a different timeline. 76 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.280 They're like years, I thought I have this. 77 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:51.759 After seven I don't even remember, but there was a 78 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.960 like it was a gradual change where our you know, 79 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.120 are just between the two of us sex life started 80 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.919 involving a lot of like worldplay about involving other people 81 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:03.919 and a lot of fantasy talking about. 82 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:04.680 Involving other people. 83 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.199 And it became very apparent that, like my husband had 84 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:11.240 these strong turn ons with involving me and other men, 85 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.560 which I thought was really cool. I'd never even heard 86 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.639 of that kind of thing before my relationship with him, 87 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.920 and I don't even think he really knew until we 88 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.040 did our you know, research together that there was a 89 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.399 term for it, hot wife. So we kind of just 90 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.199 explored these themes that both of us found exciting just 91 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:31.600 in our it's just in our you know, solo bedroom time. 92 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:32.920 We started exploring them. 93 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:38.040 Together, and you know, over the years, like it was 94 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.560 years and years, and then over the years we just 95 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:42.360 kind of got a little bit more bold and more 96 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.120 confident in our own relationship and thought, let's just do this, 97 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:46.399 like there's nothing to lose here. 98 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:47.639 We're both you know. 99 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.920 So well connected and so confident and in our relationship 100 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.720 that you know, let's just go for it. 101 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:55.360 So we just did. 102 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.399 Let me Okay, there was one thing you said in 103 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.120 there that that got me interested. And let me say, 104 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.240 first off, you don't have to tell me his actual 105 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.160 job is your husband the general manager of a baseball team? 106 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.279 Because I'm just wondering. You have the coolest layout I've 107 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.920 ever had on this show. As my camera goes blurry, 108 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.800 don't worry, my face isn't on this. What is what 109 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.120 is going on there? 110 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:17.759 Can I ask that? 111 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:22.680 Well, in another hour or so, the Blue Jays are playing, 112 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:24.879 so we booked one of the hotel rooms that. 113 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:26.439 Overlook the field. 114 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:28.079 That's funny. 115 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.279 So, yeah, the game isn't on yet, but. 116 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.560 I mean that's an incredible thing. 117 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:36.879 Okay, so you said something in there you were like, 118 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.600 fuck it, what do we have to lose? I have 119 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:44.120 read a few interviews with you where your husband is 120 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:44.879 blurred in it? 121 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:45.199 Right? 122 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.000 Was there any concern about jobs or anything like? Because 123 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:51.000 the fun thing to say is there's nothing to lose 124 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:52.920 as I put all of my body parts on the 125 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.720 internet for people to see, and then the other reality 126 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.439 of it, potentially there's things to lose over here. 127 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.240 Was there any like concern or fear about that? 128 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.439 I think I said I meant that about our relationship. 129 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.360 Nothing to lose in content. We started with our lifestyle, 130 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:08.439 so there was nothing. 131 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:09.920 We didn't feel there was anything to lose in our 132 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.680 relationship because we were just so happy and it was 133 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:16.399 a together thing. There definitely was some concern when we 134 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.839 started posting online, and we took probably we were a 135 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.160 bit naive in the beginning. We took some precautions like 136 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.720 early early content, and those people who've been following me 137 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.480 for a while know that I used to wear masks 138 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.920 and or have like our faces not in it, and 139 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.560 it was very like nobody knew we were doing this, 140 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.759 but it was like the time and the genre, like 141 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.759 it just became really popular really quickly, and then we 142 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.879 made a conscious decision that I was going to show 143 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.839 my face. And so at first when I started doing that, 144 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:55.680 we like GEO blocked our province and like we you know, 145 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.639 we're still a bit cautious about it. We weren't sure 146 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:04.160 how people would react. But over time, like people did 147 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.639 find out, and we made the decision to just lean 148 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.800 into it because really we were just two happy people 149 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:12.279 who who. 150 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.319 Liked sharing what we were doing on the internet. 151 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.439 And luckily it didn't you know, like I know, not 152 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.680 every story is like the fairy tale that we had 153 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.120 before us, Like we never had. 154 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:22.959 Any any issues. 155 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.279 There's a bit of like drama at my workplace when 156 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:27.240 people first found out. There was a bit of a shock, 157 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:32.920 but it's moved over fairly quickly, and you know, at 158 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.399 the end of the day, I was it didn't change 159 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.439 who I was at work with my friends and my family. 160 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.720 It's not like it didn't change who I was as 161 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.279 you know, as a person, and you know, has had 162 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.759 some interesting discussions with a lot of people who I 163 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.480 normally wouldn't have those discussions with. 164 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.800 But it was kind of it was just a way 165 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.720 of kind of like. 166 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.480 So part of what we were doing was even though yeah, 167 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:01.759 it was just for a turn on for us and 168 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:06.319 an exhibitionist thing, it was also I really liked the 169 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.439 idea of normalizing relationships that were sort of outside the 170 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.160 box or the society's norms. 171 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:13.120 So if we. 172 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.319 Were confident enough to do that in videos, I thought 173 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.319 we should be confident enough to explain ourselves and talk 174 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.240 about our passions with the people in our lives. So 175 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.040 we did that, and we took that opportunity, which is 176 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.199 a lot harder than putting it out there for faceless 177 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:29.519 people on the internet. 178 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.360 But in the end, like it was, it was very healthy. 179 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:36.600 That yeah, yeah, that is that's a big jump for 180 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.440 me personally. The thought of that is, you know, terrifying. 181 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.240 Here show all of your miniscule parts to everybody in 182 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.840 the world. The one thing you said, there was drama 183 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.120 there at your other job. I'm only asking this because 184 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.919 you have talked about that other job before, and it 185 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:53.559 kind of leads into another part of the discussion. What 186 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:55.639 was that other job? Do you still discuss just what 187 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.639 it was, not where it was or anything like that. 188 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.519 Oh, yeah, yeah, I was a a nurse for most 189 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.799 most of my life. 190 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:04.840 Yeah, so I was. 191 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.799 I was an immersed a nurse in the emergency department 192 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:12.639 and yeah, just until last year. 193 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.200 That's so creat My wife and I are in the 194 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.960 middle of an er watch for the first time and 195 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:19.679 I the show. 196 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.759 We are ever CEO the show? We are yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 197 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.200 We're not just standing outside of the hospital like watching 198 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:26.039 the people go in. 199 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.840 But it looks fucking insane. We watched the pit too. 200 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.919 What is that on HBO? That one's really good too. 201 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:33.879 Have you seen that? 202 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.879 Oh it's real good. HBO Max throw that on, but 203 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:40.600 it looks fucking hectic and insane. So that leads me 204 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.360 into my next question. They I've seen a bunch of 205 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.120 articles recently and again I understand this is not the 206 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.080 same concept. I'll show you how I'm going to tie 207 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.080 it together. I read an article recently about how, like 208 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.600 the number one profession where there's cheating going on is 209 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.080 now nursing. It used to be like cops and firemen, 210 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:04.720 and now it's nursing. What is it about nursing that 211 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.279 maybe doesn't work with monogamy? 212 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.480 Is that a thing? Or no? 213 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:12.320 Did you see that? Did you get hit on by 214 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.519 guys before you were in this open relationship? 215 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:21.039 In my experience, I didn't. I didn't find that was 216 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.120 to be true in my in my really okay, I 217 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.240 never I never cheated on my husband. 218 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:32.960 I mean, like I without consent. Sure, not without him 219 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.159 encouraging you to do it. 220 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.840 I also never mixed my my lifestyle and hobby of 221 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.559 what my husband and I did with my workplace. And 222 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.480 that was just the kind of person I was. It 223 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:50.399 may have been happening, but I. 224 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.399 Wasn't aware of it. 225 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.279 So I don't know, Like none of my friends in 226 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:59.919 the nursing profession, were you know, having affairs and cheating that. 227 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.159 But I mean there's there's a lot of there's a 228 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.000 lot of nurses out there, so true. 229 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:06.679 Sure, well let's I mean, let's let's play around with 230 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.440 the psychology of it, maybe a little bit. You're seeing 231 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.759 really tragic things all day, you can see, I mean, 232 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.120 you're seeing positive things as well, somebody getting better at life, 233 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:18.159 being saved, this and that. But you're watching people who 234 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.600 pass away or a kid who comes in with an injury, 235 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.320 and this and that, and then maybe mister hot doctor 236 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.399 over there is the shoulder for you to really like 237 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.559 kind of let it go on, and then you know, 238 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.720 maybe he looks like he's got okay, go ahead. 239 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.720 That sense, I will say because with my colleagues, I've 240 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.399 formed some very strong bonds, and a lot of it 241 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.840 is around the you know, like trauma bonding. It's like 242 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.559 around the things you see that other people in your 243 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:47.600 life don't necessarily see or or don't quite get the 244 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.200 same way. So there is a sense I've made strong 245 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.320 friendships around that and had some really intense moments around that, 246 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.919 but in a non sexual way. So I can see 247 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:01.080 how others would sure bring that together in a in 248 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.440 asexual way as well. 249 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.159 Like it that makes sense. You have a point. 250 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.559 There are two people I cannot make laugh in the world. 251 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.559 There's a lot of other people, but there's two specific 252 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.879 groups of people, and it's dominatrixes and nurses. I just 253 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.600 bomb every time. I don't know why. You guys are 254 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.399 too serious, too smart to deal with my stupidity. I 255 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.879 respect that. I understand the world needs those people. So 256 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.360 thank you for being a nurse for all of those 257 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:31.039 years and saving lives. I have some swinger questions for you, right, 258 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.399 and they might seem silly, but I'm coming at this 259 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.120 from the street level person. I have, like I said, 260 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.639 no understanding, and I really want to relay to people 261 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.159 like it's maybe there are misconceptions here or there. Can 262 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.120 I ask, are there any major misconceptions about the hot 263 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:53.399 wife lifestyle? And how does hot wifing differ from any 264 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.519 other type of swing? Are there different types of swinger lifestyles. 265 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.559 I'll start by saying I'm not an. 266 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:03.200 Expert in well, we'll do it all in your experience, 267 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:04.799 experience perfect. 268 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.200 I will say that in my experience, I've met many 269 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.919 couples who have various types of open relationships and consensual, 270 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.799 non monogamous relationships, And it seems to me that each 271 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.080 relationship is it may have. 272 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.360 Similar dynamics, but nobody's exactly the same. 273 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.840 Everyone has different rules, everyone has different comfort levels, everyone 274 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.600 has slightly different dynamics. 275 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.600 And there's a whole spectrum. 276 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.799 Of swinging couples and hot wife couples and what they 277 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:37.720 do or don't do. 278 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.080 So what was the question? 279 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:42.039 I don't remember. 280 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.200 I asked too many questions at once. I made a 281 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.720 nurse's life. I ask too many questions at once, and 282 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.519 they just stack up. Essentially, are there any misconceptions from 283 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.120 what you've seen? Like have you ever told anybody that? 284 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.679 And they're almost like, oh my god, that's disgusting. You 285 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.000 just let yourself get gang bang by fifty guys every night, 286 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.159 And you're like, well, no, it's not quite like that. 287 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:08.639 There's definitely misconceptions the person people see when they watch 288 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:14.200 my content. For example, people only see me in these 289 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:18.240 scenarios and just assume that it's like every single day 290 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:21.799 when really it's I mean, it's actually quite frequent, but 291 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.000 but it's not, you know, it's not like ninety percent 292 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.519 of my life is being a hot wife, that's just 293 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.519 you know, a pastime, like some people you know, play 294 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:32.960 hockey and. 295 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:34.519 I do this. 296 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:40.879 A misconception also, one misconception that a lot of just 297 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.000 people in my personal life might have had when they 298 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.519 first found out this what we're doing, is that it's 299 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.440 it goes both ways. Some people think, you know, it's 300 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.360 one person pressuring the other person to do something. So 301 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:57.720 like my husband, you know, is you know, pushing me 302 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.799 to have sex with other men, you know, for his enjoyment, 303 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:04.360 And other people think that it's me, my poor husband, 304 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.399 I'm out, you know, sleeping with all these men, when 305 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.480 really it's like for us anyway, it was years and 306 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.120 years of just like talking and growing together and making 307 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.080 decisions about what we were going to do and what 308 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.039 you know excited us, and we did this together. 309 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.399 And it's it's a little bit tricky with all life 310 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:22.639 because it's kind of one. 311 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.120 Sided from an outside perspective because the woman is going 312 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:32.799 and having all these experiences and the husband isn't. 313 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:35.879 So it does appear a little bit one sided. So 314 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:36.600 there can be a lot. 315 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.000 Of misconceptions about that when really, you know, my enjoyment 316 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.320 is coming from the experiences and his enjoyment is coming from, 317 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.200 you know, seeing me having these experiences or bringing the 318 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.240 stories home to him, and then the moments. 319 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.080 That we have afterwards. 320 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.240 So there is a lot of misconceptions about the drive 321 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:53.360 behind those. 322 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:58.600 Kind of relationships, you know, and it's tough for people 323 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.399 to see from the outside. But the relationships, the ones 324 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.879 you described in the middle there that are not yours, 325 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.360 the dominant woman telling the guy I'm gonna go get fucked, 326 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.200 or the guy being like, you have to go do this, 327 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.360 but they don't last unless they're like crazy, abusive and 328 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.519 codependent and all this. And but those aren't like real 329 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.320 lasting relationships. You're not going to find a couple who 330 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.840 are ten years into the swinger lifestyle and the chicks like, 331 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.240 I don't really like this that much ever, it just 332 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.360 I don't. That is a misconception, Like it seems like 333 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.519 if you were in this and everyone's happy, then this 334 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.759 is maybe how you were supposed to be, Like, I 335 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.879 don't understand why anyone comments on anybody else's happiness. 336 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:39.559 That's just me going off on a rant there. So 337 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:40.240 I apologize. 338 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.159 Every beautiful thing about human beings is where you know, 339 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.320 even though we're all the same species, we're also very 340 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.679 different and we all, you know, we're allowed to have 341 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.600 different types of relationships and what works for one person 342 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.080 it doesn't have to work for somebody else. As long 343 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.360 as we're happy and you found that person who has 344 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:58.200 the same you know, path to happiness as you do. 345 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.960 It's it's fun. We can all have our different you 346 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.640 know paths and sure sure. 347 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.519 Two last questions about swinger lifestyle. Number one, do you 348 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.319 guys have rules set up or is it just a 349 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.680 constant communication like is there something you know not to 350 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.200 bring to him because he doesn't he's not into this. 351 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:25.240 Yes, and yes, so we do have some rules for example, 352 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.240 like there's certain things that we're not into. Some hot 353 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.119 wife couples are into get us thrill out of a 354 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:35.000 little bit of degradation or cooking my personal relationship, or 355 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.119 we're not into that. I don't you know, make a 356 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.160 big scene about like how much better another guy is 357 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:43.119 than my husband and or like deny my husband. And 358 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.440 some people are like that and they both really love 359 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.680 it and get off on it, and that's cool, but 360 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:48.880 that's just for us. 361 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:49.960 We don't do that. 362 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:57.759 Another thing is we're not polyamorous. So as many guys 363 00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.400 as I you know, can go out and see or 364 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.480 even befriend, it doesn't turn into a romantic thing. And 365 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.680 I don't have like a romantic relationship with other guys 366 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.319 who are not my husband. It's more just like a fun, 367 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.319 free and sexual kind of relationship. 368 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:15.880 Those all these things across that kind of line. That's 369 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.079 obviously a hard rule that we have. 370 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.720 That just brought up another question. So two more questions 371 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.039 about the swinger lifestyle. This one here is have you 372 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.599 had to push people away after the fact, either men 373 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.720 or women or anything in this life? And I apologize, 374 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.640 Is your husband allowed to do you guys go both ways? 375 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.039 Is it just about the enjoyment he has watching you 376 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:41.640 not go both ways? And you know what I meant, like, 377 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:43.160 is he allowed to be with women as well? 378 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.920 For sure he is. He hasn't gone out and had 379 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.640 sex with other women. He's like, we've been in group 380 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.799 situations where he's like had you know, like low jobs 381 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.079 or like sexy contact with other women, but he hasn't 382 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.960 actually like like gone out way I do it and 383 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.240 like had sex with another woman. I would be totally 384 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.920 cool with it if he did, but we just haven't. 385 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.119 And maybe it will in the future, but at this point. 386 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:13.079 It just hasn't been something that we've jud. 387 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:16.960 Sure that makes almost this last question a little bit moot, 388 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.799 But I always love asking this to people in the lifestyle. 389 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.839 Has any one of you ever it would be better 390 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:25.440 if he was also engaging with women? But have either 391 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.599 of you ever taken a bullet for the other one? 392 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.599 I love the concept of a swinger couple meeting a 393 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.720 couple and the guy in that other couple is like gorgeous, 394 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:38.240 and the girls like and the wife's like, look, you're 395 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.519 gonna have to You're gonna have to do that, okay, 396 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.319 or vice versa. You know, maybe the guy is looks 397 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.519 like me and the woman there is like this, yuck, 398 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:50.759 I don't want to do that. 399 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.200 Has anyone ever had to take a bullet? 400 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.559 Have you ever been like, like, I'm not saying it 401 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.480