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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media. Hi there, I'm Johnny back and if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to yesterday's episode was a crossover episode with

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<v Speaker 1>The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm, who hosts The Letterman Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>made a list of the top ten late night hosts

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, and we made it all the way

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<v Speaker 1>through number seven. We got a little chatty in case

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<v Speaker 1>you missed it, Number ten with Steve Allen, nine, Orsennil

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<v Speaker 1>Hall eight, Craig ferguson number seven, the Worst Guy who

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<v Speaker 1>Ever lived, Jay Leno, and we did twenty minutes on

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Leno at the end of yesterday's episode, which made

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<v Speaker 1>the episode kind along, so I had to split it

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<v Speaker 1>in two. So if you missed it, go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to yesterday. And here is the rest of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we spend as much time on Jay as

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<v Speaker 2>we as we did. We're gonna move to number six now,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the first one where it comes with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody sort of attached to it. There's two of them

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<v Speaker 2>here or three of them here maybe that have somebody

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<v Speaker 2>attached to them. Number six is John Stewart. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>just say this flat out. In the last five Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Colbert is not one of them. But with well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so right there, that's the result. But but but we're

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<v Speaker 2>sint Colbert off the air?

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<v Speaker 1>What is wrong with you? Mike there? Taking him off

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<v Speaker 1>and right and a lot of show and he kept

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<v Speaker 1>the late show franchise going and and whoa not on

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<v Speaker 1>the list? Very see this is exactly why I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to see your list.

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<v Speaker 2>Great example. You should teach that to the what do

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<v Speaker 2>you what do you teach?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, In the fall, I teach introduction, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was introduction of radio, and I went to the university.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you got me teaching introduction of horse and buggy.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to rebrand this. Uh so now it's radio

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<v Speaker 1>podcast of streaming good And I teach a management course

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<v Speaker 1>of that in the spring. And then at the other university,

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<v Speaker 1>I teach podcasting production, which isn't just here's how you

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<v Speaker 1>hit recorder, here's how you master it. I'll do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of weeks about out. Here's how we approach the content,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what we're trying to do, here's why we do

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<v Speaker 1>these things, and how you approach the creative before we

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<v Speaker 1>even try and hit record.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's great, you know it talks about the Testament

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<v Speaker 2>to communication. It was intro to radio, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>became intro to what's the name of it now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's right now. I think it's radio, streaming

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<v Speaker 1>and media, sorry, and podcasting, which it's unofficially been for

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<v Speaker 1>about five years. Don't tell anybody. I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want me to teach you about how an

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<v Speaker 1>AM transmitter works, I can. I don't know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do with the information. I know how to edit

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<v Speaker 1>with a razor blade. I've done it. I was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at it. But let me show you pro tools.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, just the name of the course though,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a lineup versus crickets on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side like calling it streaming podcasting it like, that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a no brainer. Alex Bennett and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this all the time. I use the word broadcasting all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and it drives Alex up the wall because

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<v Speaker 2>he's just left broadcasting is this and it's this? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Just you know, has the line of what broadcast? This

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<v Speaker 2>is not broadcasting, streaming is not broadcasting. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the it's the I I appreciate that. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that broadcasting does have, you know, some finite rules,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, But at the end of the day, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing here? I mean, it's all it is

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<v Speaker 2>all broadcasting for that, That's what it's for, right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the it's not the tools that make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the fact that it's happening at all. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the podcasting industry right now, what is a podcast? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this a podcast? Well, there's cameras on so yes

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<v Speaker 1>and no, and the video version might be. The audio

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<v Speaker 1>version definitely is. And if I put Bill Simmons on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>is that a podcast? TikTok started live streaming things and

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<v Speaker 1>using the word podcast. Now I'll Alex Bennett that and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, live stream on TikTok is not a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I'll also come back to it and say

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter whatever the audience thinks. As a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what a podcast is. So if you call this

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<v Speaker 1>thing the Letterman podcast and Sunset the audio version and Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>there's your money and it's there and people stare at

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation, that's a podcast because.

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<v Speaker 2>You said it where you go, that's you said what

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<v Speaker 2>sense orright?

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<v Speaker 1>And also at that point you'll have to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a different name, because at that point mister d

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<v Speaker 1>will be like, uh, you know, am I getting any

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<v Speaker 1>of this money here? Or so you got a Netflix deal,

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<v Speaker 1>so you you'll have to call it like d Lman.

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<v Speaker 2>Pod Fantasies like that are really funny. Yeah, John Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>is number six, So John Stewart, And to me, John

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart gets the nod and and he comes with him

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<v Speaker 2>a contingent of people. Cool Bear is one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, there's a guy who you talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who changed Late Night and really at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, I mean, so many people would

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<v Speaker 2>watch Saturday Night Live back in the day for Demis

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<v Speaker 2>Miller or for Norm McDonald or for what we came

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<v Speaker 2>up to. It has always been such a powerful you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily the news, all of these different well, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that Madeline Smithberg those people could come up and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and put the the rocket onto John Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>and created a version of the Daily Show that would

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<v Speaker 2>become iconic. And and and not only that he is

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<v Speaker 2>a king, but he's also a king maker in Colbert

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<v Speaker 2>and and other people of course, John Oliver, and and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and the idea that John Stuart you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he I don't, I don't. I think he's getting the

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<v Speaker 2>reverence that he deserves. The comeback this year has really

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<v Speaker 2>shown that he does have a reverence out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is one of those guys he's kind of transcending.

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<v Speaker 2>Conan's transcending as well. You're seeing it start to happen

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<v Speaker 2>with Jimmy where they were were where where they become

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<v Speaker 2>more than just a late night talk show host, but

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes something else. Dave of course did it years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>John Stewart's at that place right now. Colbert is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be at that place after he retires, and probably if

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<v Speaker 2>we did this list next year as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>when he does retire and all the the the the

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<v Speaker 2>the Gaga and the Bally Whu that's gonna surround that.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now he's gonna John's it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy at number six on the top ten late

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<v Speaker 2>night hosts of all time. John Stewart, New York guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a New York guy. You cross paths with him

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<v Speaker 2>very often in your career.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I've never run into John either. So I'm struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with this one, much like what is a podcast? When

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<v Speaker 1>you say to me late night, my brain goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the Steve Allen template. There there's a desk in a

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<v Speaker 1>city scape behind it. It kind of looks like you

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<v Speaker 1>were set up there, and we do a monologue and

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<v Speaker 1>some guests come out and we go home, and John

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart's not doing that. Is he in the hall of

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<v Speaker 1>fame of whatever hall of fame we're making? Absolutely? Is

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<v Speaker 1>he a king maker? Absolutely? Is he hilarious? Absolutely? Is

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<v Speaker 1>he influential on culture? Absolutely? What else can I say

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<v Speaker 1>about him?

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<v Speaker 2>Is awesome?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he walk the talk? Yeah, you know the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>he's done for veterans. Wow, what an awesome dude. And yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>yes yes. But in my small brain he's in a

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<v Speaker 1>different filing cabinet than Jay Leno and Steve Allen that

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing something else. He's over here with John Oliver.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned not necessarily the News, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>a late night show, But why is the Daily Show

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<v Speaker 1>a late night show? And not necessarily News isn't And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and I don't care, So I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna like throw tomatoes at my screen and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>this list is outrageous. I just you know, let's make

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<v Speaker 1>some other list and put him at number one.

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<v Speaker 2>He's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like it's for me something in a

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<v Speaker 1>different category.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, okay, so I used to feel the same

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<v Speaker 2>way that you did. So this is just a testament

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<v Speaker 2>to way that when we zone in on this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who are nerds for this stuff, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way that our brain kind of works. I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually convinced the other way. And I listened to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll name drop her for sure. Madeline Suithberg and

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<v Speaker 2>I we we chat, you know, I would say frequently, Yeah, frequently, moderate, moderately, frequently,

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<v Speaker 2>Madeline Suthberg and I will chat, and she's gonna come

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<v Speaker 2>on the show here at some point. But I asked

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<v Speaker 2>that question. I asked her that question. I said, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>is the Daily Show a late night show? And she

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<v Speaker 2>convinced me of it. It was? It was? It was

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<v Speaker 2>what because the desk comes out early, it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>late night show? What because? And I mean that's not

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<v Speaker 2>something that she said. She was far more elo eloquent

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<v Speaker 2>in what she said. But but I am now back

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<v Speaker 2>on board where Yeah, no, I believe Daily Show is

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<v Speaker 2>a late night show. It's it's you know, it's nightly.

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<v Speaker 2>They have guests, they you know. To me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Daily Show actually changed late night. I was having

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation with Scott Ryan, who wrote Last Days of Letterman.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about this. We were wondering when the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, Like, I don't think Dave ever did a

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<v Speaker 2>monologue where a screen showed up beside him and there

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, graphics that were enhancing the jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did definitely throw to video packages within the monologue,

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<v Speaker 2>like like famously the very last Late Show. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that he said in the middle of the monologue,

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<v Speaker 2>okay now it's on for a new segment comedy we

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<v Speaker 2>would have done tomorrow. There are a bunch of jokes

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<v Speaker 2>that were still topic. It's just very good, very very

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<v Speaker 2>yeah nice. When did Dave add that to the monologue? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was certainly after the Daily Show showed up. Never

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<v Speaker 2>mind the fact that you had, you know, other hosts

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<v Speaker 2>at other desks who had the graphic and was being helped. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now they're really merging into two like and so anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced that The Daily Show is a late night show,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why John's on the list. But yeah, powerful

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<v Speaker 2>powerful force in nature in late night nature. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>question about that. Absolutely. Number five, we're going to the imitator,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who wants to be David Letterman, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is Jimmy Kimmel. I think if September this of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five hadn't happened, he would have been further up

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<v Speaker 2>the list. He might not have made the list. But

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<v Speaker 2>I said earlier that I think that Jimmy is transcending

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<v Speaker 2>and he's going past this place of into the next zone,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever that is. Who knows how long he's gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>it for, but he has certainly, you know, got all.

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<v Speaker 2>He deserves to be on this list because ABC never

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<v Speaker 2>had a late night show for the same reason that

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<v Speaker 2>that that Letterman gets all the accolades for giving CBS

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about it network. That gave a guy time

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<v Speaker 2>to find his voice and become something. My gosh, remember

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<v Speaker 2>the original It's called Jimmy Kimmel Live because they were live.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all live at first, and he couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>guests and the audience could drink, and there was all

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<v Speaker 2>what it's evolved into, it's evolved into David Letterman light.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, he is the combination of

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<v Speaker 2>so every time one of these new projects comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>do well. This is the stuff that len I loved

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't like doing that stuff at all. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>well at it. To me, Jimmy Kimmel is absolutely worthy

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you have him too high. I am favorable

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<v Speaker 1>towards Jimmy Kimmel. I think if we think in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of two things, skin of mind. In terms of baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>Darling quily going about his business winning fifteen games a

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Kimmel on his walk to the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll see what this final act is, however long

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<v Speaker 1>final list and and does he make it? Why is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is he making it?

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Colbert, can we have that discussion or is that

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<v Speaker 2>Absolute? No, you know the discussion right now? Absolutely? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Colbert didn't make the list because as far as he's

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<v Speaker 2>in the he's in that Stuart category and and and

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<v Speaker 2>of honorable mention comes in. So I cheated a little bit, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because uh, he was the he was the

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<v Speaker 2>king that that that Stuart made. But again this time

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<v Speaker 2>or the Late Show and what happens, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>might be a different list next year. But yeah, Kimmel,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, this was this was a debate that I

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<v Speaker 2>had in my head, and I'm like, well, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not going to mention him, but but Kimmel,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he got brought back the way that

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<v Speaker 2>that he got brought back the way that he did

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. Just this year here, it just showed that

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<v Speaker 1>So while we're touching on Colbert, how do you how

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<v Speaker 1>do you walk off? Is the right move? Just hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like that's the right move for Colbert.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like his walk off needs to be more

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful and say something. So I don't need Tom Cruise

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<v Speaker 1>to do something with some weight and speak to the

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<v Speaker 1>what that is, but it's not just Sebastian Maniscalko coming

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I feel like when Dave, like again,

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<v Speaker 2>I've said that the greatest six weeks of entertainment in

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<v Speaker 2>Show with David Letterman. They threw the kitchen sink at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the kitchen sink that they threw was a version

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<v Speaker 2>of Johnny Carson's kitchen sink. Yeah, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>laid out very similarly. There would be lots of clips

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<v Speaker 2>of things that happened over the years, and when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a wits and breadth of body of work, you

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<v Speaker 2>can do that. Well. Colbert doesn't have that Colbert's got

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<v Speaker 2>ten years unless you start bringing in the Comedy Central stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you start bringing in the Comedy Central stuff

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<v Speaker 2>from the rapport, okay, you can do that, and there

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<v Speaker 2>might be a unique version of that kitchen sink that

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<v Speaker 2>can be done. And like you said earlier, they combine

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<v Speaker 2>it with bringing back a bringing a list stars, but

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<v Speaker 2>of course bringing back friends of the show. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>an ingredient that needs to be included with Colbert's exit,

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<v Speaker 2>I firmly believe that whoever are considered friends of his

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<v Speaker 2>course the top of that list is of course John Stewart, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there are ways that you could customize,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what the ending is going to look like,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's gonna have to do with the friends of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. He's got a lot more political friends than

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<v Speaker 2>Letterman or Carson ever did, so, so that that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>think it does need to be different though, because it

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<v Speaker 2>is such a different show than what Letterman and Carson did.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, weird shit, it's time to get some business in here.

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more with Mike Chisholm about the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>late night hosts of all time. Mike Chisholm hosts The

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<v Speaker 1>list of the top ten late night hosts of all time?

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<v Speaker 1>And how many do we have left? I'm playing along.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spoil the show. I have five

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<v Speaker 1>head that you could throw out, you know, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>very obvious there's four left, and I have four life names.

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<v Speaker 2>Like exactly, and I think I know what I want

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't want to throw names out and ruin

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<v Speaker 1>it for the audience, but I would imagine people can

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<v Speaker 1>guess it at least three of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure. Number four is our boy, Conan O'Brien,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that's one of the names for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question Conan. How do you follow David Letterman?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? And Conan not only did it, but did

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<v Speaker 2>it right. He did a phenomenal job taking over the

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<v Speaker 2>mantle of late night. He was so resilient as late

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<v Speaker 2>night became similar to the Letterman Carson thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when Letterman was on at twelve thirty, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, attached to the same thing happened

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<v Speaker 2>with Conan and Leno. You know, there was a point

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<v Speaker 2>where where Conan was the hip guy. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that was they were getting to host the Emmy's

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<v Speaker 2>just like Dave. He was the guy that was knocking

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<v Speaker 2>the ball out of the park, creating new types of

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<v Speaker 2>of the way to present the show, his travel shows,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then of course the resilience of weathering

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<v Speaker 2>the storms, and he had a lot of them at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, of course, during the Late Night years. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, how do you react to having the Tonight

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<v Speaker 2>for five years? You know. And and Conan, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving Late Night. The deal that he signed was serious,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, all the relevance that Conan has in life,

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<v Speaker 2>and right now, at this time, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>throw a shout out to he and his family and

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff that they're going through right now. They

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<v Speaker 2>are just Oh what a way that they're in it

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<v Speaker 2>right now. You know, the most unpredictable kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we just have so much love for Conan

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<v Speaker 2>and respect for him, and of course he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on this list, and he's going to be really

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<v Speaker 2>high up on this list. So that's why he's at

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<v Speaker 2>number four, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, not to bring the showdown, but one of the

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<v Speaker 1>I fear we're going to have a major celebrity trial

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<v Speaker 1>where lawyers are going to want to ask Conan O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>what happened at that party? And I could see a

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<v Speaker 1>defense attorney saying, well, why didn't you call nine one one?

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<v Speaker 1>When people said, like, I fear Conan's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the news for reasons no one deserves to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the news. What a horrible tragedy, obviously, but I

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<v Speaker 1>the universe that I think we're going to see Conan's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I absolutely, absolutely, and and and I just

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<v Speaker 2>but you know that stuff is going to work itself out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know that stuff is you know, hindsight

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<v Speaker 2>is twenty twenty. Could I have done something different? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there, there's that, But then there's also the the

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<v Speaker 2>heart part. And I mean, I know that they're all

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a couple of grape vine things, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>and and and and really just hurt, and and and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and devastated in fact, and and and I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel so bad for that part of it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That the course, you're right, it's gonna be if this

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be like the OJ trial. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be. It'll be a circus. Hopefully that can be

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<v Speaker 2>circumvented somehow. I don't know if there's what the laws

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<v Speaker 2>seals things, I don't know if that would happen. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's the part where I'm just like just just

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<v Speaker 2>everybody who's involved in that situation know that there are

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<v Speaker 2>you and we're thinking about yeah, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I say none of this flippantly, just as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>analyzes things. This makes Conan's bio it oh bit. It

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<v Speaker 1>going to make his obituary and again a horrible situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to be the least bit flippant about

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<v Speaker 1>this situation, and I hope I'm not coming across that way,

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<v Speaker 1>the news as there are some other famous people.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, now that being said, the reason that he is

417
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<v Speaker 2>in the news the way he is, the giant he

418
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<v Speaker 2>has become. And you talk about Smigel and I think

419
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<v Speaker 2>about them, and I think about, you know, the camaraderie

420
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<v Speaker 2>that they had back in the SNL days, and if

421
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<v Speaker 2>they either of them, could have ever, ever, ever fathomed

422
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<v Speaker 2>that this would happen to them and they would become

423
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<v Speaker 2>the cultural icons that they are. Conan of course being

424
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<v Speaker 2>the public one, Smigel, you know, being the genius, the

425
00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.160
<v Speaker 2>creative genius behind the scenes, but you think about Conan

426
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<v Speaker 2>and do you think even in his wildest dreams he

427
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<v Speaker 2>takes over for David Letterman, that he would end up

428
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<v Speaker 2>becoming who he has become.

429
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<v Speaker 1>No, I can't, right, because if you just go back,

430
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<v Speaker 1>it's wait, Lauren says, I can host twelve thirty, Okay, And.

431
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<v Speaker 2>How long are you think?

432
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<v Speaker 1>Are you thinking you're going to do that for fourteen years?

433
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<v Speaker 1>Are you hoping it lasts a year? Three years? And

434
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<v Speaker 1>then you go do what? And then and then hey,

435
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<v Speaker 1>do you want to host the Tonight Show? Well, of

436
00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:13.960
<v Speaker 1>course everyone wants to host the Tonight Show? Who doesn't

437
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<v Speaker 1>want to host the Tonight Show? And then that rug

438
00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.039
<v Speaker 1>gets pulled out of you? And then I know we

439
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.519
<v Speaker 1>have different opinions on the TBS years, you know, a

440
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<v Speaker 1>little I mean less visible, Right, it's not this Tonight Show,

441
00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:30.400
<v Speaker 1>It's TBS. But then this more recent act of both

442
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<v Speaker 1>the podcast and then the great appearance as an Oscar host,

443
00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the more Chwin Awards, he'll be back as the Oscars host.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Now the Oscars itself is interesting because is it two

445
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<v Speaker 1>years of Conan? And then because the Oscar's destiny is YouTube,

446
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.759
<v Speaker 1>and YouTube will want to put their own spin on it.

447
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.319
<v Speaker 1>And have he it's the whatever one hundred and second

448
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<v Speaker 1>Oscars with your host, mister beast. You know. So Conan's

449
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<v Speaker 1>not about to host the Oscars for the next ten years.

450
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<v Speaker 1>He might do two or three. Do they go back

451
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<v Speaker 1>to Kimmel one last time in ABC? And this gets

452
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.759
<v Speaker 1>me back to the if Jimmy Kimmel retires, you're my age,

453
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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do for the next fifteen twenty years?

454
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I know you have money, but you need something to do.

455
00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.079
<v Speaker 1>You have to have a project, even if it's hosting

456
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<v Speaker 1>Strike Force five. But like I don't see Jimmy Kimmel

457
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<v Speaker 1>at you know, fifty five ish, just going home and

458
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<v Speaker 1>doing nothing for twenty years. He needs something to do.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Even David Letterman apparently needs something to do.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Hey, there's there's there's the name for the next

461
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<v Speaker 2>the next Netflix show. David Letterman needs something to do.

462
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<v Speaker 2>It would be not far off the mark. Yeah, I

463
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<v Speaker 2>mean Conan is a giant. Him hosting the Oscars was again, yeah,

464
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<v Speaker 2>cherry on top and in so many ways, and it's

465
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<v Speaker 2>gonna be great to see him do it again. I

466
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<v Speaker 2>look forward to everything that he's doing. We got three left,

467
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<v Speaker 2>and you got four names I think three is going

468
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<v Speaker 2>to combine two of those names. Okay, Now I'm a

469
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<v Speaker 2>little biased with this one here, I fully admit it,

470
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<v Speaker 2>but I still stand by it. The number three, uh

471
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<v Speaker 2>you know, talk show host, the top ten talk show

472
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<v Speaker 2>host of all time. Number three for me is Dick Cabot.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, yes.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Now with me. Dick Cabot comes with somebody and it comes,

475
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<v Speaker 2>he comes with his mentor, he comes with Jack Parr

476
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<v Speaker 2>and I and and I want to talk about them

477
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<v Speaker 2>at the same time because I believe again this list

478
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<v Speaker 2>here has a whole bunch of people who are you know,

479
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<v Speaker 2>kings or king makers whatnot. The last two are both combined.

480
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<v Speaker 2>But but when you look at when you look at

481
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<v Speaker 2>what Dick did, you know, he did compete against Johnny

482
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<v Speaker 2>Carson number one, so he was an outstanding talk show

483
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<v Speaker 2>host in his own his own you know respect. But

484
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<v Speaker 2>he also was such a part of Jack Parr's show

485
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<v Speaker 2>and was influenced so much by Jack Parr. And and

486
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<v Speaker 2>and when you look at you know, his his reverence

487
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<v Speaker 2>for Jack is just second to none. And I look

488
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<v Speaker 2>at what Dick did and the combination of broadcaster intelligence

489
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<v Speaker 2>stand up as well, he is absolutely a phenomenal player

490
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<v Speaker 2>and carries on the spirit of Jack Parr. That's why

491
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<v Speaker 2>I put Dick Cabot at number three. I know that

492
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<v Speaker 2>there might be some people who want to start throwing

493
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<v Speaker 2>stones at me with that one, but that's that's that's

494
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<v Speaker 2>this is my list. It has nothing to do with

495
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Dick told me he liked me, nothing

496
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<v Speaker 2>to do with that at all. But yeah, he's my

497
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<v Speaker 2>number three.

498
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<v Speaker 1>No, not absurd at all. Those were the two names.

499
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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering which one you're going to lead leave off.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Those were the two that were out there.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Cavot, you know, in many ways a podcaster, right, the

502
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<v Speaker 1>same conversation that we've had. I can't argue with it.

503
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<v Speaker 1>It is Cavit show whacky. No, not at all, not

504
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<v Speaker 1>at all.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Nope, No, it had no wackiness to it. It was

506
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<v Speaker 2>it was intelligent humor to be sure.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I just realized, unless you've totally lost your mind,

508
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<v Speaker 1>with two slots left, you have left Tom Snyder off

509
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<v Speaker 1>your list.

510
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<v Speaker 2>I did. Tom Snader is one of the honorable mentions.

511
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<v Speaker 2>He's he's he just it was him, you know, And

512
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I look at I look at him, I

513
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<v Speaker 2>look at Charlie and it's the long form late night

514
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>that I love that Dave does right now, but yet

515
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 2>it is it is awful list. And Tom's one of

516
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.519
<v Speaker 2>those guys who who who? I just he was one

517
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<v Speaker 2>of Dave's influences, and I think it's very obvious that

518
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>he's one of Dave's influences. But yeah, he uh, Hey,

519
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 2>there's only there's only ten slots, and you can't have everybody. Uh,

520
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.599
<v Speaker 2>you can't have everybody represented. Tom's one of the people

521
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<v Speaker 2>that did not make the list.

522
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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm hoping you're going for the clicks here and

523
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 1>one of the last two slots is going to Magic

524
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<v Speaker 1>Johnson or Cheffy Chase or and the Pat Say Jack

525
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.759
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the two left of Letterman and Pat

526
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 1>say Jack, and then we can all hate on your list.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Huh that's right, say Jack. I just uh, it's just

528
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 2>the best punch line of all times. Pat Say Jack.

529
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I just love it.

530
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.680
<v Speaker 1>That show wasn't that bad. It just wasn't reason to exist.

531
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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't awful.

532
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh he was fine, but he you know, you talk

533
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>about a guy who didn't connect. He didn't feel like

534
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.799
<v Speaker 2>he was connecting with it the way that that that

535
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 2>that the hosts that we love connect with us so

536
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.640
<v Speaker 2>much like look at God. At Craig Ferguson, I felt

537
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 2>a genuine connection with him. I felt that he was

538
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 2>genuinely connecting with his guests. He had a genuine connection

539
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.759
<v Speaker 2>with the robot skeleton on the other side of the room.

540
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 2>You look at Pat, say Jack, and I didn't feel

541
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 2>that connection at all. The other honorable mention, by the way,

542
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>of course, is mister Allan Thick, Canadian hero, mister Allen

543
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Thick for Thick of the Night. You know, he gets

544
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>he gets an honorable mention. But yeah, No. Number two

545
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is Johnny number two, Johnny Carson yep.

546
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>On the Letterman Podcast. Johnny Carson is only number two.

547
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 1>That's wow, that's shocking.

548
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Most people who are who are who are enthusiasts of

549
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.599
<v Speaker 2>David Letterman, they say Johnny's number one. I I don't.

550
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 2>But it's the same way that uh, you know again,

551
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<v Speaker 2>I've used this example so many times the Godfather. You know,

552
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>some people like Veto, some people like Michael Well, Michael

553
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>took the thing and he carried it down the field

554
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>farther and and and and was even more successful, you know,

555
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and and to me, Johnny Carson, he did that, and

556
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>then the guy who makes number one went and did that,

557
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:11.640
<v Speaker 2>so so so Johnny took the ball, Johnny Carson. I mean, oh,

558
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>by the way, let's uh, let's give a little love

559
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>to my boy, Mark Malcoff. I'm seeing stories every day

560
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 2>online where like the Daily Mirror or US Weekly or whatever,

561
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Will will will tell an old Johnny Carson story. It's

562
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>happening every day on the news, right. I love I

563
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 2>love seeing this and it's all as a result of

564
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Mark's book being released, and they're seeing a newly released book,

565
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 2>but our Mark Malcoff and telling a Johnny Carson Joonan

566
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>River story or something like that. I could not be

567
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.920
<v Speaker 2>happier that we are in twenty twenty five and Johnny

568
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Carson is still getting buzz. It is such a beautiful,

569
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 2>beautiful thing. Did you love Johnny growing up? So?

570
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Johnny was the thing I stared at killing time until

571
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 1>twelve thirty. Right, So I come into Johnny backward because

572
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>my godmother hasn't gotten me the VCR yet and I

573
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>don't have cable TV, so what am I gonna do?

574
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>So you start watching this Johnny Carson guy, and over time,

575
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you come to appreciate it, and I was really in

576
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>on the end. Then as time goes on and you

577
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 1>become older and more mature, and you go back and

578
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you just study the work because you're into these things,

579
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and you see the clips. And then when the metvs

580
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of the world were airing the older shows and you

581
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 1>read the books, and I just came to really really

582
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>appreciate everything about Johnny Carson, even more so than maybe

583
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>the the the version that I saw in his sixties

584
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>before he was walking away actually relatively young, right, Yeah,

585
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 1>but but yeah, no, I came to really appreciate Johnny.

586
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Obviously I love Dave where we wouldn't even be friends.

587
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 1>But for me, you know, there's a nuclear emergency and

588
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>we got to wake somebody up at three fifteen in

589
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the morning and go, dude, sorry to wake you. There's

590
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a set and you got to interview Mary Lou Henter

591
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and band, and I wrote a monologue for you, and

592
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>just you got to execute a late night show. Right now,

593
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I would hand the ball to Johnny and know that

594
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get a funny hour, whereas Dave I'd

595
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>be on roller skates the entire time.

596
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great analogy. That's a great analogy. Yes, yeah,

597
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>that's a Yeah. You could set your watch to Johnny.

598
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you really could, and he's just yeah,

599
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's cool reading the book actually because it came out,

600
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 2>it's so weird that a book in twenty twenty five

601
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>would be the perfect time to come out about Johnny Carson.

602
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But it really really is when you look at the

603
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>perspective of what's happening in late night right now, and

604
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>you read some of the stuff that Johnny went through,

605
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and late night is a show, but late night, late

606
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.440
<v Speaker 2>night is a genre. When you look at it, you know,

607
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>there's these crazy quotes that come out of him, Johnny

608
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Carson that are in this book that are prophetic, you know,

609
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.359
<v Speaker 2>talking about how it's gonna expand and it's gonna have

610
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>to contract and and and and Yeah. It's really I mean,

611
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Carson is the he is I want to say

612
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 2>he's the goat, but he's the goat that that that

613
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.759
<v Speaker 2>that created the goat. Number one, of course, it's the

614
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Letterman podcast. I did. I did want to look at

615
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe looking at someone else, but there was just nobody

616
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 2>other than Johnny who could have could have ever taken

617
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>this spot. He is the number one, uh, in my opinion,

618
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 2>broadcaster of all time. It's not even just a talk

619
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>show host. In my opinion, David Letterman is the number

620
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>one broadcaster of all time. And uh, you can go

621
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 2>from every genre from the most ridiculous of the ridiculous,

622
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:43.039
<v Speaker 2>throwing stuff off the tower, to having phenomenal short and

623
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<v Speaker 2>long form conversations with heads of state of the world

624
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and and everything in between.

625
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

626
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Dave's the guy. You know, the fact that he inspired

627
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<v Speaker 2>some Canadian uh you know, to out of his basement, Uh,

628
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, create a show in his name, who has

629
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>no business in doing something like that. That's the inspiration.

630
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of reach that Dave has. And it's

631
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>still doing it. And he didn't he didn't stop. Johnny

632
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>stopped and he and he kind of left the limelight.

633
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Dave hasn't done that. In fact, he has introduced so

634
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.039
<v Speaker 2>many people to so many different things because of who

635
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>he is and where he is in this time and

636
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>place in history. So David Letterman is, of course number one.

637
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 1>He's clearly my favorite. You can't argue with it. You're

638
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<v Speaker 1>putting a thought in my head about the walk Off

639
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>by Johnny Carson, that we don't have the Johnny Carson

640
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Netflix series where he interviewed Andie Dickinson. You know, we

641
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have that, whereas we do have elder statesman Letterman.

642
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm really digging the openly political David Letterman. I

643
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>think that's really really interesting. And again, oh, late night shows,

644
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 1>late night knows, can't people go? Sure they can, absolutely

645
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>they can, and they should be. I get the playing

646
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.119
<v Speaker 1>down the middle, I get it, but I also like

647
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<v Speaker 1>to know what somebody is thinking. Not that you want

648
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to lose half the audience. I understand that argument. But

649
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>this version of David Letterman where I don't care, I'll

650
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>walk away from the table and leave my chips there,

651
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>don't need him, don't care, and he can speak his

652
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>mind to the current states of things. I absolutely love it.

653
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>But back to the walk off, you just did a

654
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>mental exercise for me. If I don't know, Dave goes, well,

655
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting the Tonight show.

656
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

657
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Eddie just becomes a total recluse. And all I have

658
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 1>in my mind are eleven seasons of a guy throwing

659
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 1>watermelons off the tower. It would probably be like Eddie

660
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Murphy's comedy career that if you told me like, hey,

661
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Letterman's coming back and he's hosting on Netflix, I'd be like,

662
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that's going to be the most amazing

663
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 1>thing ever. And then a guy with a white beer

664
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 1>shows up and does a serious interview with Adam Sandler.

665
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It would be like, if Eddie Murphy ever returns to

666
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the stand up, it cannot possibly live up to what

667
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>my mind needs the Beatles reunion to be. So maybe

668
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>if Dave does do eleven and done, I'd be like,

669
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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, did you see this show? It's the

670
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>most amazing thing that ever happened.

671
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>And then he walked away. Mm hmm.

672
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

673
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's funny. As you said that, I think

674
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<v Speaker 2>about when Craig Ferguson left and it's almost similar to, okay, yeah,

675
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Craig Ferguson decides he doesn't you know, he left late night.

676
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 2>It's it's very similar to that, and uh oh yeah

677
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that's got me thinking too that, Yeah, that's that's a

678
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>fantastic analogy. That's exactly right. If Dave would have done that,

679
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 2>it's funny, like like I'm trying to remember who oh.

680
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Senator Al Franken in the last month, the last six weeks,

681
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>else El Franken was on and he was a senator

682
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and he said to Dave, he said,

683
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 2>he said, before you go off and become an eccentric recluse.

684
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people thought that that's

685
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 2>exactly what Dave was gonna do, and and and it's

686
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>funny like I I'm into Billie Eilish. The reason I'm

687
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 2>into Billy Eilish is because she was on Dave's My

688
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Next Guest show. You know, But people ask me what

689
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 2>my favorite next guest uh is of all time? And

690
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.159
<v Speaker 2>until I saw Bateman, I had an answer, and then

691
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Bateman kind of Bateman might be my number one of

692
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 2>all time. But then I went and saw Dave Chapelle's special,

693
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and the guy who Bateman replaced went back up, and

694
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Dave Chappelle is my favorite letterman of all time, and

695
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and and and uh my next guest, I should say,

696
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 2>of all time. And part of it, I think is

697
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>because when Dave does start talking to people with opinions

698
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>about things he we start to get glimpses of what

699
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Dave's opinion on the same subject are. And we always

700
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>liked that. We always liked when a guest back in

701
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the day would say something to Dave and make him

702
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 2>answer a personal question, and we the audience loved that

703
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 2>right because it didn't happen very often because of how

704
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>private he is. And in this way, I think my

705
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>next guest does it as well. It brings out some

706
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 2>of those political things. To me, Dave is always a

707
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>common sense guy. His barometer for make making fun of

708
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a politician or something like that didn't go off until

709
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the common sense part. As soon as the common sense

710
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.159
<v Speaker 2>part went into the red now it's like, okay, we're

711
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 2>just gonna open it up. But yeah, that's a good

712
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 2>point that you made about that. I really love that now.

713
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>And there's something too walking off. I think when Howard

714
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Stern's career is said and done, there's gonna be a

715
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>strong argument for whatever Day already lang and needed to

716
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 1>leave the show should have been the last episode of

717
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the Howard Stern Show. I'm not sure that this this

718
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>late period Howard stuff is doing justice to the Howard

719
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Stern legacy.

720
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, man like, like he just signed up for

721
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>is it three years? Another three years? Yeah? Yeah, so

722
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.480
<v Speaker 2>he's not retiring essentially. That's what that tells me is

723
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 2>that he's just not gonna retire. He's just gonna keep

724
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>going and doing it because it's what he knows, what

725
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>he loves. I think he still loves it. I don't know.

726
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I've I haven't listened to a ton of the current stuff.

727
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It seems like he enjoy having thoughtful conversations with people.

728
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>But when you think back to what brought him to

729
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the dance and how you know, I'll you know, oh,

730
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I see these two girls, you know, I want to

731
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>bang them both. Like that was that was That was

732
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the stuff he used to say every single day, and

733
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that's what brought him to it, And his evolution is

734
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, Like, like,

735
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.679
<v Speaker 2>is it comforting? Is it comfort food? Da've talked about Johnny,

736
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>how Johnny would tuck people in every night and it

737
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>was just one of those things. Is Howard stirned comfort

738
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 2>food to a lot of people? Is that that part

739
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>of it?

740
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, because I think those of us

741
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that grew up on Howard that Howard's gone, Johnny was

742
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>still Johnny. You know, you could swap out an episode

743
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty six with one from nineteen seventy four. Yep,

744
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it was a half hour shorter, but it

745
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 1>was the same show. Yeah, that looked a little newer,

746
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that was it. It was the same show, whereas what

747
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Howard's doing now has you know, Robin and Fred are there,

748
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>but other than that, it's not really the same show

749
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>from you know, pick a Day in nineteen ninety three.

750
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love when Dave and Howard have conversations, like,

751
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I love there's an episode of I would love to

752
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 2>hear hear Dave and Howard have another conversation, a current one.

753
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they've talked in a while, in a

754
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>year anyway, something like that. I love. I love when

755
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 2>they talk. One of the things that those two both

756
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 2>have in common is they have the ability to get

757
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>people to start talking about things that they don't want

758
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. Both of them have that ability. What

759
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 2>do you think that is? Like you've been in radio

760
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, Like when you have a host,

761
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Alex Bena, I can do the same thing. Actually, when

762
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you have a host who has the ability to start

763
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>eliciting stuff that the person that they're talking to didn't

764
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>necessarily intend on talking about. What is that causes that.

765
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 1>So it's a combination of charisma, prep, doing the prep

766
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and taking the time to get the guest in a

767
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 1>place where they're comfortable. So if I have you on

768
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 1>to come out Gangbusters and go my host the Letterman podcast,

769
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you have Johnny Carson at number two, that's ridiculous. You know,

770
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I've started off from an antagonistic point of view, whereas

771
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 1>if I hang out with you for forty minutes, and

772
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>especially if I can talk to you about the thing

773
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 1>you're very passionate about, that's not this. So hey, Mikeaul's

774
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>on your Facebook page yesterday I saw you out with

775
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>your granddaughter.

776
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, you know, what were you guys up to?

777
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>What was that like?

778
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know I could just tell from your Facebook posts,

779
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you know this is something that's This is someone who

780
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 1>is tremendously important to you. And so I could talk

781
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to you about her for twenty minutes and get you

782
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to open up. And now our body language has gone

783
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 1>from this to kind of leaning back in the chair

784
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and just two people having a conversation, and now I

785
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>can ask you about you know that really terrible thing

786
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in your life that you don't really open up about

787
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>but where. But but it's not my opener. And that's

788
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 1>what Howard's good at. And this is why he has

789
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 1>guests on for an hour and you sit in the

790
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>comfy sofa and you get a little comfortable with the

791
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>gang and it's not a threatening thing. And you know,

792
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>but that plus charisma, plus the repuds of the show,

793
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and he is a very good interviewer. It's just not

794
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the reason those of us who bought Howard stern stock

795
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty five bought it.

796
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Right now, that makes a lot of sense. So that's

797
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the list. That's the list list, not too not too controversial, right,

798
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 2>a good list. Zone Rivers gets an honorable mention, So

799
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 2>DOA's Tom he gets an honorable mention of course as well. Yeah,

800
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, that was it. Yeah, it was hard not

801
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>to get. The hardest part was was shoe warning. How

802
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>can I talk about Colbert and how can I talk

803
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 2>about Parr? But like having both Alan and Parr on

804
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and Carson on and Jay on, you know, that was

805
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 2>just it was it was just it was it was

806
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 2>a bridge that was just it was too it was

807
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 2>too heavy on the bridge. So one of them, one

808
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of them had to But three Tonight Show lists on

809
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the top ten list, there's three who goes to the

810
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Tonight Show? So but yeah, I uh, I can't wait

811
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<v Speaker 2>till you watch the Sandler episode.

812
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>There's four four, who's a I want to know Brian host?

813
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 2>How dare you? Sir?

814
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>How dare you?

815
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>You? Unbelievable? I said that too. It was like something

816
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 2>felt weird when I said it. Oh my god, that's the.

817
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Jay Leno of podcasters. That's who you are cutting it there.

818
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Mike laughed at that line there at the end, and

819
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>we moved on to some other topics. But I'm I'm

820
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>saving that part of the conversation for a completely different

821
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>episode on one of these January weekends. I hope you're

822
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>enjoying these conversations with Mike. We're hoping to do a

823
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of these. Enjoy talking to him, and we can

824
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.679
<v Speaker 1>talk forever. This raw session was two and a half hours.

825
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<v Speaker 1>Anytime we're together, we just go and go and go.

826
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<v Speaker 1>So he's Mike Chisseingy hosts a Letterman podcast. Mike you, Mike,

827
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<v Speaker 1>thank you for your time, and I'll meet everybody back

828
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<v Speaker 1>here tomorrow.