1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,359 Speaker 1: Hello everybody. Before we get started, I just wanted to 2 00:00:02,439 --> 00:00:06,040 let you know we have published our first episode to YouTube. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,599 So if you want to know what Jason and I 4 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:10,679 look like, feel free to check out the link in 5 00:00:10,759 --> 00:00:14,240 the episode description below or just search us up Surely 6 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:16,839 you Can't Be Serious Podcast on YouTube. 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: On with the show. Hello everybody, and welcome to the 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Sure That You Can't Be Serious Podcast. We are here 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,039 today for a special rerun episode. We watched reruns when 10 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:33,039 we were kids. We can we can put them out there. 11 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:34,719 I watch reruns all the time. That's what you did 12 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:35,399 during the summer. 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: I know you don't want to miss anything that happened 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,200 a long time ago, right, yeah, bring the things up 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,200 here exactly. 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: So. 17 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: This episode came out when we very first started together. 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,439 We jumped in with just a few pairings before this, 19 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,119 just two, I think, and then we decided it's time 20 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,439 to do Van Halen Versus Van Hagar. 21 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: It's one of our most popular episodes to date. 22 00:00:57,119 --> 00:01:00,359 Speaker 2: Now, when we recorded this, all of the members were 23 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:04,319 still alive at that time. Right, We've lost Eddie couple 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,959 of years ago, not too long after it came out, honestly, 25 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:09,719 so it's nice to go back and listen to it 26 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,840 and revisit it. That's what we're doing today. 27 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 5: Guess, if I may be so bold, I am going 28 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,640 to prepare you guys for this summer when we finally 29 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:25,159 tackle a Van Halen album track by track, nineteen eighty. 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: Eight's OHU eight one two, and we're going to compare 31 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:29,200 it with another album from nineteen eighty eight. I'll save 32 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:30,359 the matchup for down the road. 33 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 5: So this is kind of a taste. 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: It'll get you going enjoy our comparison van Halen Brisbin Here. 35 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,319 Podcast with your co hosts James D. Graves and Jason Colbn. 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:06,879 Speaker 4: Hey Jason, what's up? 38 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: D How's it going man? 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: I'll run a little bit hot tonight. 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: I don't feel tardy. 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: How exciting. 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: I love that we're going to talk about the van 43 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:24,639 Halen van Hagar dispute today, and I love that you 44 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,879 really like van Hagar because I really like van Halen. 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,719 Speaker 3: I like them both. But this is a very interesting 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,599 argument to get into because this is a definite line 47 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,159 in the sand. There's different people on both sides of 48 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:39,560 this argument, but it's one of the biggest arguments of 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,919 the nineteen eighties that we're going to talk about. 50 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: Just like always, catch us on Twitter, chime in with 51 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,919 what you think about what I say, what you think 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,319 about what Jason says, or what you know where we 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,240 both get it wrong and what we're missing here. 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: You can catch us on Twitter at Surely Podcast. 55 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:01,599 Speaker 2: That's Sureley s You are why I'll call me Shirley. 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,680 The Van Halen Boys are born in nineteen fifty fifty 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,560 three for Alex, fifty five for Reddy and so they're 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,039 born in Amsterdam. Their father is a musician. He is 59 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,400 a big band player. But this is the early and 60 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:28,439 mid nineteen fifties, which means that music is changing. Elvis 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,919 and Chuck Berry have come out and rock and roll 62 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,360 is the thing, and big bands are out. They decide 63 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:36,360 we're not going to stay here anymore. We're going to 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 pack up and chase the American dream. 65 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,319 Speaker 3: Moved to Beverlee, yes slash Pasadena, Yes close enough. 66 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: Right right, And so they take their two young boys. 67 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:52,080 In nineteen sixty two. It's nineteen sixty two, they get 68 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,639 on a large boat to trans the Atlantic and to 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,439 help pay the way, the dad Yan plays music with 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 the band and then after a few nights, they the 71 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:07,240 boys who had been classically trained in piano at that 72 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,159 point were still very young, but could play the piano well. 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,639 They had them get up in between sets, and then 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,000 the next night they were sitting at the captain's stable. 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Because the star little boys won everyone's hearts, and so 76 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,000 they became the star of the show. I think at 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,160 that point the seed was planted and they were ready 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,439 to be stage musicians for the rest of their lives. 79 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't take very long to figure out there are 80 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,240 benefits to being the performance. 81 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, have you ever been in a performance where, 82 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:36,519 like at the end of the performance, everybody's standing up 83 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,439 and cheering. It is more addictive than I think I 84 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:44,439 could think of anything else that could be. It is 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,199 an amazing, amazing feeling, and so I can totally understand 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,839 anybody's desire to chase that monster once you've seen it. Cool, 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,839 all right, all right, So they make the journey in 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,240 nine days over to the United States. They they moved Pasadena, California, 89 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,720 as we said, And when they arrive they don't know 90 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:10,439 any English. They know two they know two English words. 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: That's right. Alex says that when they came over. Theyknew 92 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,680 two English words. One was yes and the other was accident. 93 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,399 Speaker 2: Accident, which apparently was just the first word in the 94 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,040 book that their mom was trying to teach them English from. 95 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: Ac Actually, Alex is encouraged to pick up the guitar. 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they buy him a electric guitar silver tone, and 97 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:35,879 Eddie decides that he's going to go out. He enjoys 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,439 the drums. They came over in nineteen sixty two, and 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,959 then nineteen sixty four, of course, is when you have 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,199 the British invasion, and so they are introduced to the 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,639 rock and roll of the Beatles and of the day 102 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:51,319 of Clark five and Dave Clark five is the drummer 103 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:56,040 who Eddie wanted to be. He wanted to go and 104 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,439 play drums like that guy, and so he got himself 105 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:03,360 a paper route. He worked hard, just like you would 106 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:05,199 in the movies. He saved up Paul his money and 107 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,680 got himself a drum set. And then while he was 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,000 away on his paper route, Alex would go and pound 109 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,800 on those drums. 110 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: While he was working hard to pay for the drums. 111 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,279 His brother was learning the. 112 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: Drums right, and he was actually quite skilled at it, 113 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,000 and when Eddie realized what was going on. You know, 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,399 I can imagine the challenge kind of like out of 115 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:34,360 Step Brothers. Hey mean, did you touch my drum set? Nope, 116 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,160 because it's just weird because. 117 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,399 Speaker 3: Seems like someone definitely touched my drum set. 118 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird because I didn't touch him. And 119 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:50,360 then it was you know, you're better than me, so 120 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:52,639 the heck with it. I'll just play your dang guitar. 121 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,279 First band that they had was the. 122 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,199 Speaker 3: First band that they had was called the Broken Combs. 123 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: The Broken Combs like a junior high name. To you, 124 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:03,680 it does sound like a junior high name. And then 125 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,279 a little more sophomore. They played with a guy for 126 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:09,240 a while who was playing bass for him, and then 127 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,160 his dad get a job as a preacher about three 128 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,600 hundred miles away. So they're out their basis, they're out 129 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120 their place to practice. They had to find a new basis, 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,199 which they did, and his name was his name is 131 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:22,480 Mark Stone, Mark Stone. And so they actually had another 132 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,600 band that they called the Trojan Rubber Factory. But they 133 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,519 kept playing hard and they were hard working musicians. They 134 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,360 would pound the pavement, they would put up posters everywhere 135 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:34,560 to let everybody know what they were doing, and they 136 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 were obsessed with the band. And at this time Eddie 137 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,360 is the one that's doing all the lead singing. 138 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: That's right. 139 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,279 Speaker 2: And they are going to parties. They're usually like backyard parties, 140 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,720 which was pretty popular back in the day. Not only 141 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:50,839 would they go out and invite everyone that they could 142 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:55,240 to the party, their music was really, really loud, and 143 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:58,120 so frequently it wasn't just a question of if the 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,360 cops would show up. It would be men, are the 145 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,639 cops going to show up? And at one point the 146 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,680 cops showed up and said, you guys are so loud. 147 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,000 We were looking for you four blocks away. At the 148 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,839 same time, young David Lee Roth, who was born in Indiana, 149 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:17,279 had some experiences in New York City with his uncle 150 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:19,040 getting to go to some of the clubs there in 151 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,920 New York City, got to see Bob Dylan and Jimmy 152 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,199 Hendrix and definitely caught the bug. At that point, knew 153 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:27,839 that that was the type of lifestyle, the New York 154 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:30,519 City lifestyle and the stage lifestyle that he wanted to 155 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,159 be a part of. But as it turns out, he 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,720 wasn't really into rock and roll so much as the 157 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,519 other guys were he liked listening to kind of the 158 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,200 swing and some of the stuff that you most of 159 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,440 the kids those days just weren't listening to. 160 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,519 Speaker 3: I heard Eddy talk that Dave actually very much enjoyed disco. 161 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and we'll see later on when he comes 162 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,039 into the band he really kind of brings that element 163 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,559 which then helps them come into the public eye. Okay, Jason, 164 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,639 So I can remember when I was a little kid 165 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:04,720 watching Van Halen perform, watching the Jump video, thinking to myself, 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,919 I cannot wait until I have a full head of 167 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,200 chest hair like David. 168 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: He's got some amazing chest hair. 169 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: He has got the best chest hair ever. Like He's 170 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,519 he's thin, and he's not rough and tough at all, 171 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,039 but he's got that rough and tough manly hair. You 172 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:22,720 know who likes that? 173 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 6: Now? 174 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: Who's that? 175 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,759 Speaker 2: Nobody? 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If I may be so, well, 194 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,000 go right now. 195 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 6: Oh my. 196 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:27,799 Speaker 3: Yes, wack it wack it so. 197 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: Also born in Chicago around the same time as these 198 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,639 guys is Michael Anthony and his family has moved to 199 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,639 Pasadena as well. He started a band. He's playing bass 200 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,960 and singing for the band as well. So these guys 201 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,759 are all doing their own thing around each other. Michael 202 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:50,000 Anthony's band is called Snake Snake and David Lee Roth's 203 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:50,440 band is. 204 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,279 Speaker 3: Called Red Ball Jets. 205 00:10:52,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Red Ball Jets alrighty, and so the the guys have 206 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,720 Mark Stone, Eddie is singing, and Alex is telling Eddie, 207 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,159 you're really not carrying it as a singer. Nobody would 208 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,960 ever question your abilities as a guitarist, but we need 209 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,200 to find another singer. And as it turned out, they 210 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,799 had to rent their PA system, and so they would 211 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:25,440 pay somebody ten bucks per show to go rent the system. 212 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,200 And one of the guys they were renting from. 213 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:29,039 Speaker 3: Was this kid named David Roth. 214 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: Kid named David Lee Roth. His dad was an i surgeon, 215 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,039 and so he had a little bit more money than 216 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:38,720 the rest of the boys. And so after a while, 217 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,759 Alex just said, you know, we need a lead singer, 218 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,799 and we need his PA system. Might as well get 219 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,039 two birds with one stone here and just have him 220 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,519 join the band and be our lead singer. 221 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of 222 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,159 the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time. Absolutely, 223 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:56,919 it's incredible. 224 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are very few leadys, lead singers that stand 225 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,600 out as performers, the guys that bring the live show 226 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,879 to life. And there's no question that David Lee Roth 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,039 is one of those guys. 228 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: No doubt. 229 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: Now. At that time, they still had mark Stone as 230 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,360 a basis. But mark Stone was an honor student, straight 231 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,840 a student, and the boys felt like he wasn't he 232 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,559 didn't have his priorities in the right place. 233 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,639 Speaker 3: I know, he's too busy making grades. And his dad 234 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,759 came to him and said, you. 235 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,799 Speaker 2: Need to go to school, to school, right, No dad 236 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,000 is going to say you need to choose joining some 237 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:36,080 silly rock and roll band with a guy who wears 238 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:42,679 skin tight buttler's pants. And so they go. The boys 239 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,679 actually go to mark Stone and say, listen, we just 240 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,039 we don't think that you're committed like you need to be. 241 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,039 And they let him go. 242 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:49,399 Speaker 6: Ye. 243 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:51,279 Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, we're going to become one of 244 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,600 the greatest rock bands of all time. 245 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: See you later, Sorry about that. So they they they 246 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,919 as I said, they're all performing in similar stages, and 247 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,679 at one point that PA system that had brought them 248 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,480 together with David Lee Roth goes out and they're stuck 249 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:10,600 at the show with no PA, and as it happens, 250 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Snake is performing at the show and Michael Anthony's like, hey, 251 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,320 you can use our PA, no problem, And within just 252 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 a few days they're calling him up and saying, hey, 253 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:22,879 would you like to come be the bass player for 254 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:23,360 our band. 255 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: We'll get into a little bit later, but his voice 256 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,480 actually provides many of the harmonies that I mean, it's so. 257 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,639 Speaker 2: Important, unquestionable that van Halen does not sound like van 258 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,960 Halen without Michael Anthony providing those backup vocals. That high 259 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,200 pitched tenor that he has is amazing. So we've gone 260 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:44,600 we go through a few band names here. We hit 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,159 with the Broken Combs. We had the Trojan Rubber Factory. 262 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,240 They were called They called themselves Genesis for a while 263 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:56,039 and then they're like, oh wait, there's a really successful 264 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:59,559 band out of England that everybody knows now called Genesis. 265 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,200 So they had to give that one up as well. 266 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:04,440 Where Mammoth for a bit, and then David Lee Roth 267 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,159 was like, you know what, van Halen sounds cool and 268 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,519 it's your name. Let's make the man, let's make the 269 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,000 band name. 270 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: Ross's idea. Absolutely yeah, really cool, I. 271 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: Get, and so they become van Halen. Then Michael Anthony 272 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,720 joins and they are off and running. Once they had 273 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,759 gained that big following, they finally landed a gig as 274 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,919 kind of the house band for a place called Gazari's. 275 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: That's right, that's in. 276 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:44,919 Speaker 2: And oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come 277 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,600 up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did 278 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,720 last night a couple extra bucks. I guess he thought 279 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,159 he was like Van Morrison or something. So that's awesome. 280 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,679 The thing about that we need to keep in mind 281 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,080 about both Alex and Eddie is that they were they're 282 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,080 classically trained and that translated into their music. The interesting 283 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,720 thing about the classic training that Eddie had is that 284 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,840 he never ever learned to read music, which, given his 285 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,559 capacity with both keyboards and with guitar and several other instagrams, 286 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,480 is an amazing Yeah. That means that he can't read it. 287 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,120 He's able to do what he does just from listening 288 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,440 to it. And not only that, he fooled his music 289 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,559 teacher at the time into believing that he could read music. 290 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,720 It was five years before the music teacher was performing 291 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:46,679 a new piece of music for him and told him 292 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,159 he needed him to turn the pages for him, and 293 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:50,600 he was like. 294 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: He was lost. 295 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,879 Speaker 2: He was just like, what do you why don't you 296 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:55,519 turn the pages? 297 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 4: Like I. 298 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,679 Speaker 2: Don't have any idea where you are right now? And 299 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,840 this I had a piano teacher when I was a kid, 300 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,120 and my gosh, I could not have lasted like he did. 301 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,759 I just it was painful for me to go to 302 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:13,480 those music lessons. She was probably one hundred and seventy 303 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,720 five years old, had translucent skin. I mean, I just 304 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:20,519 remember Missus Mackie. I got to rest her soul. 305 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,639 Speaker 3: Miss Mackie had call in the podcast we want to Hear. 306 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:27,679 Speaker 2: From You, right and say hello to Jesus for us. 307 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:32,240 Missus Mackie was the organ player at my church. Always 308 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,159 had a little tic tack that she would put in 309 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,120 her mouth while we had our music lesson. And I 310 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,320 never learned a thing in that. 311 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: Go ahead, just so everybody knows you are a guitar 312 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,039 player and I am not. 313 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: Well. I love talking about some of the things that 314 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:52,120 have gone on with the guitar. And Eddie was obviously 315 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,399 an inspiration to me playing guitar in the first place. 316 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,480 He had a special guitar. Yeah, absolutely, I had a 317 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,639 special guitar. So here's something, here's something that many people 318 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,359 don't know about Eddie, which is just absolutely amazing. The 319 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,559 man was an inventor. He wasn't. He didn't just redefine 320 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,160 the way that you play the guitar. He created his 321 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,000 own guitar. The guitars at the time, the two primary 322 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,680 guitars that anybody was going to use were Gibson Less 323 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,480 Paul and a Fender Stratocaster. And Eddie loved the whammy 324 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,240 bar on the Fender Stratocaster because you could you could 325 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,960 change the tone of the notes, You could do different 326 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,240 sounds with that whammy bar. But it only had a 327 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,000 single coil pickup, which means that it would have these 328 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:37,160 high pitch kind of twangy things that would happen when 329 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,960 you turned it up. Now, the Less Paul had these 330 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,640 hum They called him humbucking pickups, which means they bucked 331 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,720 the hum. They didn't the hum wasn't there for him. 332 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:51,519 And so what Eddie did was he decided, I'm just 333 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:53,839 going to make my own guitar. And he goes to 334 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,440 a parts a guitar parts store and says I need 335 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,640 a body and I need a neck, and the guy's like, well, 336 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,279 you don't want that body because it's a second and 337 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:07,480 and he's like, I don't know what that means. Second 338 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,440 what second? The second up? Okay, that's good, I'll take 339 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,680 that one. Then, not realizing that a minute it was 340 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,160 like naughty and not goodwood, and horrible sound would come 341 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,160 out of it. But it didn't matter because what he 342 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,039 was about to do didn't. It changed. It corrected all 343 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,880 of those problems. So he takes that guitar body home 344 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,000 and he starts chiseling out the wood to put the 345 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,880 humbucking pickups inside of the Fender style body so that 346 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,000 he can have his have his humbucking pickups and his 347 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:40,119 whammy bar. And the result is a guitar that doesn't 348 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,200 sound like any other guitar. It has corrected the hum 349 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:47,599 problem with the fender, still has the whammy bar that 350 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,200 he can use. And then he had other issues with feedback, 351 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:54,960 and who knows why he decided to do this. I 352 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,119 don't know what caused it in his brain, but he 353 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,720 decided to take the pickups. He's thinking and maybe those 354 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:04,039 little wire coils or what's causing all the feedback. They're 355 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:08,519 vibrating in there. And he's got a coffee can and 356 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:12,920 some paraffin wax melted the paraffin wax, stuck the pickup 357 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,599 inside of it and just kind of waited until the 358 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,720 plastic started to melt and yanked it out of there. 359 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,279 And the paraffin wax then sealed all those coils so 360 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:23,759 that they didn't have the feedback, and so once again 361 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,519 he's created something new that nobody at the time was doing, 362 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:31,160 but now is a standard practice of the industry. And 363 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,519 so he's now has a guitar that he can crank 364 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,440 all the way up, doesn't have all of the sound 365 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:42,039 problems that he had before, and he's super excited. He's 366 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,039 working at a music store and they get in a Marshal. 367 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:49,200 Now he's had his little his brother's little silver Tone, 368 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,480 which you're not going to get any real sound out 369 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,880 of that, but the Marshal was like the gold standard, 370 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,680 and so he worked for the rest of the summer 371 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,960 to buy this Marshal and he plugged it in and 372 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,559 turned it all the way up, and it sounded awesome 373 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,680 and really really loud, really loud, like I can imagine, 374 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:13,359 you know, Huey lewis right, I'm afraid you're just so. 375 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:16,240 He couldn't get the sound that he wanted out of 376 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,680 this thing because he had to turn it up all 377 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,599 the way to get the right sound. And then oddly 378 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,960 comes across this classified ad selling a different Marshal, and 379 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,720 so he's like, maybe this one will be better. He 380 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:29,640 buys that Marshal, he plugs it in, He plugs the 381 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,720 guitar in, and it doesn't play, and he walks away 382 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,519 and he leaves it open. It leaves it on, and 383 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:37,200 he comes back and he's like, I'm gonna give it 384 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,000 another try, and just picks it up and he realizes 385 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:41,880 he can hear sound. Well, what's happened is he didn't 386 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,799 realize that the Marshal was a European style power supply, 387 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:50,200 and so he had had it at the two twenty 388 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,519 instead of the one ten, and so it had taken 389 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,759 just longer to charge up. But what happens is he 390 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:59,960 plays it as it's halfway warm, as it's gotten that 391 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,279 slow build of voltage, and he gets the sound that 392 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:09,559 he wants without the volume problem, and that gives us 393 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,240 that sound of the guitar, the one that everybody knows 394 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:16,680 that everybody's like, yeah, that's Eddie's guitar. We know that sound. 395 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,000 And then he's got it all put together. He paints 396 00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:23,480 it black. That's kind of boring, right, So he's got 397 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,880 some tape laying next to him and just randomly decides 398 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,920 out just put some tape in, kind of a crisscross 399 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,599 pattern on the guitar, and then I'll paint it white 400 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,240 and creates the franken Stratt look, which is the thing 401 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,440 that we all associate, all associate with. 402 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: That that's become their iconic look. And later he puts 403 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,480 more tape on it, paints it red. 404 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: Red. Yes, the first one. If you look at the 405 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,119 if you look at the Van Handelin debut album, you'll 406 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,519 see he's got a white guitar with black stripes. Later on, 407 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,680 like you said, paints puts more tape on it, paints 408 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,880 it red, and then you've got red with the black 409 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,519 and the white. 410 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: It's so cool. 411 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's great. Yeah, work of art, 412 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480 just out of just kind of dumb luck. Really. 413 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: So now they're playing the clubs. 414 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: They're playing the clubs, and they've got a huge following 415 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,920 when they're in the when they're in gazaries, they've got 416 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,359 fifteen hundred people in they're listening to them. But the 417 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,319 problem is the rest of the world doesn't care about 418 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:21,880 rock and roll. 419 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,279 Speaker 3: It's right late seventies, this is the time of the 420 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:34,480 beg's and disco Saturday night fever. 421 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: The only guys who are getting any songs out there 422 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,599 even a little bit, are like Aerosmith and Kiss. 423 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 3: So speaking of Kiss, one night, while Van Halen's. 424 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: Playing, Yeah, it's at the Starwood, which is another club 425 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,480 there on the Sunset Strip, Geene Simmons happens to be 426 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,559 in the audience and he's he comes to them immediately 427 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,240 after the show and they're like, oh my gosh, there's 428 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200 Gene Simmons and he doesn't have any makeup on and 429 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,559 it's amazing and he's like, has anybody signed you guys, 430 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:11,680 and they're like no, they well who's managing nobody? Well, okay, 431 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,480 come with me. I'm going to take you to New 432 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:15,880 York City. We're going to make a demo and we're 433 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,160 going to get you guys signed. That's right, And that's 434 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,400 exactly what they do there. They go, this young, excited 435 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,880 band that's been playing hard for four or five years now. 436 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,599 They go and they they do the songs they by 437 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,039 the time. 438 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,759 Speaker 3: At this time, I mean at this time, Gene Simmons 439 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,680 is one of the biggest rock stars in the world, absolutely, 440 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,920 and he shows up and says, I want to make 441 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,000 you guys the next big thing. 442 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, which to I mean, if I was in that situation, 443 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,160 I'd be like, that's it, We've made it. We don't 444 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,160 have anything else to worry about. Gene Simmons loves us. 445 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,559 We've got a full album worth of original material that 446 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,160 we know backwards and forwards because we play it every 447 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,880 single night. They go and they record their album. One 448 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,000 problem is they can't use their own instruments, so they 449 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:03,839 lose the sound that Eddie had spent so long creating. 450 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,279 And then the other problem is that album promptly does 451 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,599 check Swatt. Yeah, because Gene Simmons said, I don't think 452 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:16,119 you guys should call yourself in Halen. 453 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,759 Speaker 3: I think you guys ought to change your name to 454 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,599 Daddy long. 455 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:25,279 Speaker 2: Legs, Daddy long Legs Long Legs, which who knows, maybe 456 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,640 that would have worked. I don't. 457 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 458 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: No, it's not the same thing. 459 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,279 Speaker 3: And they do the right thing. When Gene Simmons tells 460 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,319 you to do something after he had branded Kiss, there's 461 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:36,960 going to be a big temptation to change. 462 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you not how do you I mean, 463 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,240 if you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do 464 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,039 you not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene, 465 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:44,799 you're the man. 466 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,039 Speaker 3: You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever 467 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:50,039 you say, right, but they say no. Dad irritated him 468 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,000 and he made the comment, these guys are never going 469 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:53,400 to make. 470 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: It, right yeah, And then and his management thought the 471 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,680 same thing, They're never going to make it. So all 472 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,839 of this excitement, all of this anticipation, and the result 473 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,640 is a demo tape with songs that aren't aren't played 474 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,240 on their own instruments. Marshall Burrow is the one who's 475 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,599 who talks too Suston and Ted Templeman and says, these 476 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,400 guys are going to be playing at the Whiskey, Go 477 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,880 go tonight, go check them out. And this rainy, slow evening, 478 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,359 maybe forty people in the crowd, not really the best 479 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:34,000 crowd to be doing an audition for the Warner Brothers records. 480 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: And they liked it. 481 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: They heard yeah, yeah, they loved it. They came back 482 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:42,359 and they said, boys, we want to sign you. So 483 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,119 then the next thing that happens is they've signed this contract. 484 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,359 They're ready to start touring to put their put their 485 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,400 performances on the world stage. And so they join the 486 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:02,200 tour of a band called I Don't Know Montrose Mantos 487 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,759 and a band called Journey. 488 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 489 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: And I'm sure everybody's heard of Journey, and most of 490 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,880 you've heard of Montrose. But what you may not know 491 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,559 is who the lead singer of Montrose is. 492 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 3: Sammy Hagar. 493 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: Sammy Hagar, that's right. So yes, an odd coincidence. And 494 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,279 here's an interesting bit of information that came out. You know, people, 495 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,720 a lot of people were not impressed with David Lee Roth, 496 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,519 and among those were the Warner Brothers. Guys. They didn't 497 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:33,599 appreciate what he brought to the stage. And to be honest, 498 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:39,000 David Lee Roth doesn't have a stellar voice. And as 499 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,440 it turns out, they proposed some other singers and propositioned 500 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,480 some other singers, and one of the singers that they 501 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,920 propositioned was Samy Hagar. Sammy Hagar. Yeah, And he did 502 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,720 not disclose this until just in the last I don't know, 503 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:57,319 three or four years, I would say, but he yeah, 504 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,720 he was approached early on. You take Dave's spot, and 505 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,039 unbeknownst to the rest of the band. 506 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:09,319 Speaker 3: It's incredible. You know, Dave brings charisma, a stage presence. 507 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,599 As we see later, the splits and the jumps and 508 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:17,680 the yells. It's crazy that he was that underappreciated right 509 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,200 out of the gate. 510 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,519 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And so they're so good on tour, they're so 511 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,480 incredible that they are outperforming Montrose, they are out performing Journey. 512 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,119 And their sound guy has said, you know, the Montrose 513 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,599 guys were cool, but I know that the Journey guys 514 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:41,039 were mad that they were losing cheers and girls and 515 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,839 other stuff, and I know they sabotaged our sound system. 516 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Things would happen. Then there was just no way that 517 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,359 that happened unless we were being sabotaged. And so they 518 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,039 changed their tour. They took them instead of playing the US, 519 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,039 they took them out to Europe to start opening for 520 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:03,960 Black Sabbath. Now, Black Sabbath was a band that they had, 521 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,640 they had sat and learned the songs they were the 522 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,279 I mean, you listened to Van Halen's music and you 523 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,359 you know, oh yeah, those guys had to be influenced 524 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,599 by Black Sabbath. And now they're opening for them, and 525 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,920 as it turns out, they're also blowing them off the stage. 526 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,519 And that's a quote from Ozzy Osbourne himself. Ozzy Osbourne said, 527 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,599 every night they would blow us off the stage. Wow. 528 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 3: That's really cool. 529 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,599 Speaker 2: So they're doing these tours. They had released the album 530 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,039 which we're about to jump into here in a second, 531 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,359 in early nineteen seventy eight. But before even they did 532 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,440 that early release album, before they started all these tours, 533 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,200 they released a single. Do you know the single that 534 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:48,799 they released. 535 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm guessing that the single was You Really Got Me? 536 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,079 Speaker 2: That is correct. That was the first single that they released, 537 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,160 and it's questionable whether they really wanted that to be 538 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,160 their first release. I know for sure that Eddie didn't 539 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400 want it to be their first release. He was actually 540 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,000 really disappointed that their first that their debut single was 541 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,599 a cover. 542 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: And that makes sense to me because Running with the 543 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,079 Devil is a very strong song and seemingly perfect leadoff. 544 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had been playing it for years. It was 545 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640 on the demo tape that they had done with Gene Simmons. 546 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,160 It is an awesome song. But here's the story behind 547 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,720 the story on this one. Okay. So they've got their 548 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,200 demo tape that they've done with Ted Templeman, the guy 549 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,200 from Warner Brothers, and Eddie is super excited and he's 550 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,559 playing it for friends and acquaintances and acquaintances of acquaintances, 551 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,039 and one of those guys that he plays it for 552 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,720 is Barry Brandt. 553 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: Okay, Arry Brandt. 554 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry Brandt, who none of us know, right, but 555 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,920 who happened at the time to be the drummer for 556 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,480 a band called Angela. Angel was another band that Gene 557 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,240 Simmons had discovered, but one that had actually signed with 558 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,880 the record label. Now have you heard of Angel before? 559 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,920 Not until you just mentioned it, No, right, So I 560 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,519 hadn't either. Now we talked about the fact that that 561 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,960 they had done a cover for their original release. This 562 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,880 Really You Really Got Me was originally sung by The 563 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,359 Kinks back in nineteen released back in nineteen sixty four, 564 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,119 and it's the perfect type of song for some hard 565 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:33,440 rock You really Got Me, No, it got It's an awesome, 566 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,279 awesome song. It was a great hit for the Kinks 567 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,680 and influenced a lot of the hard rock that came 568 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:45,759 after that. But the idea that hey, fourteen years later, 569 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,279 it's going to be popular again suddenly was very enticing 570 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:52,880 to Barry brand Because the next day Ted Templeman calls 571 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,200 Eddie and said, did you play the tape for somebody? 572 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,640 And He's like, I played it for a bunch of people. 573 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,640 What are you talking about? He's like, you a hole 574 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,599 that there's a band out there called Angel that's about 575 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:07,480 to try to record that song and release it. We 576 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,400 have to record it first and release it, or we're 577 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,599 going to be the second ones to the table. And 578 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,839 so in a mad dash, they go and record their 579 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,960 studio version that we've all heard and get it out 580 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,079 and release it to the public before Angel is able 581 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:27,519 to do the same, and his history is written. That's incredible, 582 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:32,000 and Angel fades into the cloudy dust of history. So 583 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,240 now that we're here, let's start talking about the actual 584 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,279 debut album's way yeah, oh yeah, okay, fantastic, Okay. So 585 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,680 it's nineteen seventy eight. They're putting together this album. Their 586 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,799 first release is You Really Got Me. It blows up. 587 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,559 Speaker 7: You really got it now? 588 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 4: Go on, don't know what. 589 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 5: You really got it? 590 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 6: Now? 591 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: Who got us? 592 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:15,759 Speaker 4: On? 593 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 5: You have some bad? 594 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,559 Speaker 7: Right? 595 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:21,519 Speaker 3: That's so awesome. 596 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: It is so awesome. You Really Got Me reached number 597 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,839 thirty six on the Hot one hundred among a whole 598 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,279 bunch of disco and op and punk rock songs. Not 599 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,680 bad for your first thing, No, not bad at all. 600 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:39,160 And so the first time I ever heard. It was 601 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680 when I was watching the movie night Shift, which right right, 602 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,200 a movie by Ron Howard, Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton 603 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,799 and Henry Winkler the fauns himself. Yes, And the premise 604 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,720 of the movie is these guys work in a morgan 605 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,720 and decide to open a prostitution ring inside of the morgue. 606 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,319 Speaker 3: That movie is so funny. 607 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So there's a scene where Henry Winkler, who 608 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,720 is so not the fawns in this movie, here's you 609 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,440 really got me playing, as he's walking into the building 610 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200 and he's all confused and he opens the door to 611 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,200 this ridiculous frat party and Michael Keaton's got like a 612 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,079 belt around his head like a headband and party a 613 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,240 hard with half naked prostitutes all over the place, and 614 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:27,400 Henry Winkler is freaking out, I don't. 615 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,119 Speaker 7: Know about your people, this is a morgue. 616 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: You're partying in a morgue. 617 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,279 Speaker 4: You don't believe me, let's. 618 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: And he tries to pull out this reality dead body 619 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,079 to show him. Turns out it's just a frat boy 620 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,160 and a prostitute inside of the cadaver box. And the 621 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,839 boy was Howard Clint Howard, So You Really Got Me 622 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,839 is released, and then they released the album itself. Now 623 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,960 imagine how everyone felt the first time that they plug 624 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:11,400 that album in and listened to that sound and that face. 625 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:47,119 Speaker 6: Coming, I live my life back this, don't borrow all 626 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:54,760 I've got feel he start on me stuck that over 627 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,280 road you son living. 628 00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 7: At us pas. 629 00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,639 Speaker 2: So that sound that you hear at the beginning that 630 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,280 is obviously not a musical instrument is car horns, And 631 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,800 as it turns out, it's it's a stunt that they 632 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,480 did a tactic that they used on stage. They took 633 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,400 the car horns out of their cars and hooked them 634 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,679 up to a car battery and would play. Even when 635 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,639 they played the show live, it would have that car 636 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,320 horn introduction. And so they went ahead and brought him 637 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,480 into the studio. Ted Templeman slowed him down there a 638 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:39,559 bit at the end that you can you can hear 639 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,119 the slowdown. It's almost the Doppler effect as though it's 640 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:46,280 going by, and then that hard hitting bass, and you know, 641 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,800 God bless them. They've got the guy who's redefining how 642 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,760 to play guitar, and they start the first song on 643 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,119 the first album with car horns and the bass. But 644 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:59,079 they're letting, they're letting everybody know where about hard rock. 645 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,920 This is one of the those rock songs that has 646 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,599 two guitar solos in it, which is pretty unique for 647 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,440 that for any time. Really, not a whole lot of 648 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,480 songs you can get two guitar solos. But why wouldn't 649 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,880 you do that? If you've got ady van hands, you. 650 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 3: Got a n van Halen, you let him play as 651 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,880 much as possible. 652 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you want to play more. 653 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,159 Speaker 3: Okay, that's right. They recorded this album for forty thousand dollars, 654 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,159 took three weeks to record and that's it. 655 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,679 Speaker 2: So Run with the Double is not only the first 656 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:28,280 song that you hear on the album, it is their 657 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,280 second single that they released. Yes, and it does well. 658 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,239 It reaches number eighty four on the Top one hundred, which, again, 659 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,920 at this time, with the taste in music as it is, 660 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,280 that's a great feat for a band's debut album. 661 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: Yes, so tell me about fingertapping and eruption. 662 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So the b side to Running with the Douvil 663 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,639 is eruption. It's also the second song on the on 664 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:04,639 the album, and it's almost all Eddie, so I can 665 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:11,079 remember vividly watching Eddie perform this live on stage. I 666 00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,920 hadn't you know. We should probably explain that I was 667 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,239 born in nineteen seventy five. I was not listening to 668 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,360 to Van Halen when I was three years old. The 669 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,119 introduction that I had to Van Halen was nineteen eighty four. 670 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,119 Speaker 3: Me too, right, I was born in nineteen seventy three, Okay, 671 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,440 but nineteen eighty four was first time I was paying 672 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,000 attention to him. 673 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,159 Speaker 2: Right. Nineteen eighty four was one of three tapes that 674 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,159 were the first three tapes that I ever owned. It 675 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:42,760 was nineteen eighty four minute work and Wham a collection 676 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,239 of music there for you. That was a great song. 677 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,280 So Eruption, I can remember the first time I saw it, 678 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,360 and it was a live performance and it was actually 679 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,480 at the time that they were with Sammy Hagar. That 680 00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,800 way was by then that I had actually I heard 681 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,800 Eruption for the first time and was was floored by it. 682 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:07,280 And so I knew at that point that that Eddie 683 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,719 did fingertapping and what was involved there. But this this 684 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,920 finger tapping that he does interruption. I looked at that 685 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,599 and I was just like, this isn't this isn't rock 686 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:19,599 and roll. This is classical music. Okay, it's rock and 687 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:21,239 roll and class it's I don't know what it is. 688 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:27,360 It's like something amazing and undefinable. But I totally so. 689 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,079 When I was growing up, I was I was into 690 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,159 classical music. There was an album called Hooked on the 691 00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,480 Classics that came out and like I think eighty two, 692 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,320 and I loved it. 693 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 3: Hey, that's spent about the time chipbun punk came out 694 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:38,599 and there. 695 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's exactly right. Yes, yeah, so I was 696 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800 listening to the Chipmunks and Bach and Beethoven and Mozar. 697 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,119 Speaker 3: All right, that's right, good job. 698 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so I don't know what kind of street 699 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,400 cred I'm gonna get for that. But anyway, when I 700 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,159 heard Eddie van Halen performing Eruption, I was like, this 701 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,239 is classical music. And not only that I knew the song. 702 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920 Did you ever watch twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea, 703 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,079 the Disney movie that had like it, no Captain Nemo 704 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,199 and they're in the submarine and they got the big 705 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:13,239 squid that attacks them. 706 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,199 Speaker 3: Well, familiar with it, but I've never seen it. 707 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: There's a part of that movie for anybody who's seen it, 708 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:24,920 where Captain Nemo, who's played by George good Old George. 709 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,599 Speaker 3: George Everybody, George Mason, George Mason, George Mason. 710 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: And so he's Captain Nemo and he's got this organ 711 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,039 and they kind of read if you watched any of 712 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:34,760 the Pirates of the Caribbean, and they've kind of done 713 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,599 the same type of they reimagined that with the squid 714 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:42,760 guy there. But anyway, he's playing this song and the 715 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,400 song is boxed Takata and fugue, and it kicks but 716 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:49,039 I don't care if it was written several hundred years ago. 717 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,519 It kicks butt. And when I'm listening to Eddie van 718 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,679 Halen playing Eruption live on stage, I'm like, that is 719 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,079 Takata and fugue, but it's not. It is, but it's not. 720 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,000 So I want to I want you to listen to it. Okay, 721 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,480 you see what I'm saying here. Let's here, Okay, So 722 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:20,800 this this is the scene from twenty thousand Leagues. So 723 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:58,559 now let's listen to the live performance by Eddie. So 724 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,079 we can't is to part Now that's from Learning to 725 00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,719 Hims right there, right, So that one is probably that 726 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,679 one is probably actually from Franz's list which was a 727 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,920 very prominent song that you would hear in looney Tunes. 728 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,920 But remember Eddie's classically trained on the piano. Of course, 729 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,039 that's his influence. Say what you will about his influences. 730 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,639 He'll say that pretty much his only influence was Eric Clapton, 731 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,280 and he would learn all of Eric Clapton's songs. Eric 732 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,840 Clapton was called slow hand Eddie. No one would dare 733 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,960 call that to him, but that was it. That's all 734 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,480 he'll say. But there's no question that the classics, the 735 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:41,400 classical composers, are the ones that really influenced the music 736 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,320 that he plays, especially on eruption. So as you pointed out, 737 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,719 there are special techniques that are involved there with eruption. 738 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,519 So Eddie goes when they're younger, he goes and they 739 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,199 get to watch led Zeppelin play, like led Zeppelin's playing 740 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,400 in California at that time, and so he gets to 741 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,800 go see him. And at some point Jimmy Page has 742 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,800 got his guitar. He's got his left hand on the guitar, 743 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,039 which is where he pressed the front board, and your 744 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,519 right hand is normally what strums, but Jimmy's got his 745 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,079 hand up in the air like pointing like I'm number one, 746 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,960 like we're awesome, that kind of thing. But he's still 747 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,119 playing with his left hand, and he's what he's doing 748 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440 is he's pounding on the string with the finger, which 749 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,960 causes it to make a sound, and then pulling that 750 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,559 off as though he's kind of plucking it to also 751 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,880 make it make another sound. And so that's Those are 752 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,119 called hammer ons and pull offs. Not terribly creative, but 753 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:34,199 easy to understand, right, right, So Eddie's watching this, he 754 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,079 sees him do this, and the inspiration is there for him, 755 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,679 and he's like, I can do that. I could do 756 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,199 that with both hands. Yeah right, I mean he's got 757 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:44,920 one hand in the air. He's not even using the hand. 758 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,760 If I took that hand and put it on the 759 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,559 front board with the other fingers, I'm not just able 760 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,559 to play two notes now, I'm not just able to 761 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,159 play three notes. I can play four and five notes. 762 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:56,719 I could because I can tap on the strings and 763 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,320 do my hammer ons and my pull offs with my 764 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,760 right hand. And that's tap and that's the that is 765 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,800 that that is really the key thing that he brought 766 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:14,079 to the lead guitar scene for the next twenty years. 767 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 3: All right, So that's the end of episode one Van Helen. 768 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna come back next week and do part two. 769 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,159 Speaker 3: The Rise and Fall of Daily Rock. 770 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so hang on for that one. Come join us 771 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,800 and you'll get to hear some fun stuff. We'll play 772 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,039 a little bit of that for you right now. They 773 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,719 came back from the tour and they were exhausted. Eleven 774 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,280 solid months on tour. 775 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,679 Speaker 3: And eleven months of killing it every night, hard work, 776 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,480 and get back. The manager of the record company says, 777 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,679 great job, you guys did awesome. You go us three 778 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:47,079 million dollars in a new record. 779 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: What sweezee. 780 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 3: So Guinness Book World Record. They got one point five 781 00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:59,639 million dollars for ninety minutes. 782 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 2: They make more money than anybody has for that. But 783 00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:05,119 tensions are still high. 784 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 3: Tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour can't 785 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440 cure some of the tensions that are going on now. 786 00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,440 So during nineteen eighty three, they begin working on a 787 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,880 new album, YEP, to come out at the very end 788 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480 of nineteen eighty three YEP, and that album is called 789 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:26,000 nineteen eighty four. This is a new Van Halen. 790 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 2: The diehard Van Halen fans are getting mixed reviews. Some 791 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,159 of them are sticking with them. Some of them are like, 792 00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:33,960 I don't know what's going on with these guys. You 793 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,800 get those guys who think they sold out, and so 794 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,559 then all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not 795 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,320 interested anymore. Yeah, I don't care about you, right. 796 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,599 Speaker 3: Guys, Hot for Teacher comes out with the young van 797 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,679 Halen boys running around the school terrorizing. Right, you've got 798 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,840 miss fed fized and misspelled and miss science or whatever, 799 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,960 and the misspelled teachers running around. 800 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 2: You've got his kind of awkwardly sighing mother. And then 801 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,639 when Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice. So, oh, mom, Yeah, no, 802 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,079 I'm not like other guys. 803 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm nervous than my socks there too. You know who 804 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480 that voice is right now? That voice is Phil Hartman 805 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:16,679 of Saturday Nightliner two. 806 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,159 Speaker 2: Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul. Their success is 807 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,159 beyond what has it has ever been in history. They 808 00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:26,559 are literally at the top of their game. 809 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,599 Speaker 3: And this is where it falls apart. So eight o'clock 810 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,719 in the morning, they're supposed to be there to write 811 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,440 and play music. Dave would show about eleven, start a 812 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,199 fight and then. 813 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 2: He, unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another group of 814 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,519 guys to play with, produces an album, a four song album, 815 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,280 which he says, Hey, you know, any album's only got 816 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,559 four good songs on it. Anyway, I'm just cutting off 817 00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,440 the fat. As it turned out, there are only really 818 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,920 two good songs on the album. This is the ego 819 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,480 speaking right here. He does an interview with David Letterman 820 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920 in early eighty five talking about that album, and Dave 821 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:03,960 is trying to find out what's going to happen with 822 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,760 the rest of the band. 823 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 7: I think now's a good time on New Year's to 824 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,280 decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or 825 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:33,239 a little weenie. 826 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,159 Speaker 2: When you're doing solo work. Is the is the Does 827 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,559 this mean that the band will soon be breaking up? 828 00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 7: No, No, that happens, you know. No, I still have 829 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,559 very I still have very strong tribal instincts. And we'll 830 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,039 be going into the studio like the middle of this 831 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,480 month and start arguing again, and we'll come back out 832 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:41,760 with an album sometime this year, hopefully. 833 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 2: He has this full expectation that the band's going to 834 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,440 stay together. But you can't be the guy who goes 835 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,119 and trashes the meetings. The guy who orates somebody for 836 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,199 going and doing work with other people and then pull 837 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,519 off this stunt and expect to remain in a band. 838 00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:01,119 Speaker 7: Boom Buddy, Boom Badia, Boom Buddy Buddy. 839 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:05,159 Speaker 2: Dave is out. 840 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 3: Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle 841 00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,199 of their professional career. Do van Hagar? 842 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,079 Speaker 2: The first time I heard it was on the movie 843 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,039 Joe Dirt. No, sir man, I don't like that crap. 844 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 3: I'm a rocker dude through and through. 845 00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 5: Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, van Halen, not van Hagar. 846 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,519 Speaker 7: Who cureous about the clouds when we're to. 847 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 3: Call Sammy officially joins the band in nineteen eighty five, 848 00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:38,199 just sing us ang and thing bout Sonny. 849 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 2: All right, guys, don't forget to follow us on Twitter 850 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,719 and Facebook. 851 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,760 Speaker 3: At Shirley Podcast on Twitter. 852 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,039 Speaker 2: At Shirley Podcast on Facebook, and don't forget to subscribe 853 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,079 to our YouTube channel, the Surely you Can't Be Serious 854 00:47:56,199 --> 00:48:14,599 Podcast channel. 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