1 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:15,519 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willish, host 2 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:19,359 and I've got two guests tonight, a husband and wife team, 3 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:23,120 John and e J Craig, and they have the UFO Detection. 4 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:26,160 They're in Colorado. The grassroots thing. I like to see 5 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:29,640 these things get out there where people can participate and 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,240 actually help with the data and stuff like that. So 7 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:34,560 we'll be talking to them. Just a couple of things 8 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:39,000 going on this week. It's the first Thursday of the month, 9 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:42,640 so UFO Jack and I will be back with UFO 10 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:46,079 Headlines at eight o'clock on Thursday, that's Eastern time. And 11 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:48,920 then after that, Bagna Canor is going to be on 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,119 the Deep Force is the name of her. Research she's 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,200 doing has to do with the Internet and how it 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,320 can be a connection to a lot of things that 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,039 AI is control. It's very interesting. Dean Aliotto, who does 16 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,879 some work and research in that filmmaker and fun friend 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,599 of mine, will be joining me as a co host. 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,079 So that's on Thursday night. And our blog this week 19 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:18,920 by Charles Lear is Ted Bloacher's talk on humanoids at 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,040 the nineteen seventy six before a conference. As if you've 21 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,799 read a lot of Charles Lear's blogs. He really goes 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,920 into what he calls the Flying Saucer Investigators and does 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,519 a really nice job on researching all these Now Charles 24 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:37,879 has been doing blogs now think about six years or 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,599 something like that. Every week he turns out some beautiful work. 26 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,560 And Andy also has some books available on Amazon, and 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 so check them out when you can. So I'm going 28 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:53,840 to be attending the contact in the Desert, as I've 29 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:56,560 mentioned a number of times. I'm really looking forward to 30 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,200 that that's coming up, and I think about three and 31 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:02,439 a half weeks something like that. So I wanted to 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,599 mention that if you are going to be out there 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,439 and I'd like to meet up, I always enjoy meeting 34 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:10,199 up with fans of the show, people that listen to 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,280 the show. So all you have to do is just 36 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:17,439 send me an email Martin at podcastufo dot com. And 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 it doesn't matter that I put that email out there, 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,960 because I already get ten million spam emails a day, 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,919 so I'm not afraid to put it out there. But anyway, 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,599 I appreciate everyone that listens to the show. Anyone can 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,479 support the show. And also if you want an ad 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,840 free experience, I've seen some people have moved over and 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,719 supported the show. 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So once we re edit this YouTube, 55 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,759 it's going to be of course without the chat. But 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,840 below the edited version you were going to see a 57 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,800 link to the live show that will always be available 58 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,360 if some people like to read through the chat, and 59 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,159 at least so they tell me that anyway, So without 60 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:38,960 further ado, I'm bringing in our guests. EJ Welcome, John welcome. 61 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. 62 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: So John and I have something common. We're both fighting 63 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:45,919 a cough. So you may see us, you may see 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 us mute our microphones, but good to have you both 65 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:51,840 on and we were talking earlier. I lived for three 66 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,159 years out your way, and it was a beautiful territory 67 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:57,759 out there, beautiful, big open skies and a lot of UFOs, 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,280 but I never saw any when I was there. 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:01,879 Speaker 3: Come back. 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you both natives native Colorade I. 71 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,439 Speaker 2: Am, and I think you were born here right. Yeah. 72 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:10,479 We both moved around the country a lot, all over 73 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:12,159 the country over the years. 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I just right off the bat, did you? 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Let's talk about your backgrounds first, and then I want 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,399 to ask you how you got into the topic. Starting 77 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:23,920 with you, what's your background? 78 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,759 Speaker 4: Well, I'm a daughter of an aerospace engineer and he 79 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,000 had us looking up at the skies. 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: All the time. 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,399 Speaker 4: When I went away to college and chose my career, 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,000 I ended up in programming and with a heavy math emphasis. 83 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: I have a math degree and not a computer degree. 84 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: That just makes me a problem solver and somebody that 85 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,639 looks at systems and sets and things like that. I 86 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,759 look at data completely different than most people do. Or 87 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,839 I'm always. 88 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: Looking at data. 89 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: This is nothing but the same kind of exercise, just 90 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,079 all about UFOs. 91 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: The data is going to bring to disclosure. 92 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: That's great. I love to hear how backgrounds. Some people 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,399 think my background's interesting as an appraiser of an appraiser 94 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:11,720 of fine art and untique, someone that inspects things all 95 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:15,759 the time and tries. I'm always looking guilty to proven 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,800 innocent is our theme, because anything that's valuable is fated, 97 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:23,000 especially when it comes to artwork. There's forgeries all over 98 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,600 the place. Documents are forged and everything, so to have 99 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,120 a discerning eye. Some people believe that it's good that 100 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,920 I'm in this community. I don't know. I'm not really 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,560 a researcher. I'm just a podcast host, but I kind 102 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,560 of call things out when I think there's something going on, 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,560 and sometimes it gets me in trouble. But anyway, John, 104 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,439 what's your background? 105 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: Well, I started off witnessing UFOs when I was very 106 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,959 young high school. I saw something that flew across the 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,399 stay I made you turn, and that really got me 108 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,560 thinking about just what the heck is that and how 109 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,720 high was it? And then later on I get into 110 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,560 technical stuff. It dozen books for Microsoft Press and O'reightley 111 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,439 programming books, and then I have electronics background also, so 112 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:10,920 the combination of those skills with EJ's math skills and 113 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:13,439 her publishing skills. We've had a lot of fining the 114 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,600 last few years. My first wife passed away in two 115 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 thousand and five, but I was working for EJ's dad, 116 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:21,439 so I kind of married the boss's daughter after. 117 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,519 Speaker 1: A little bit smooth move. 118 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, work has worked really good. 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's good. That's good. Wow. So what about you, EJ? 120 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,959 Did you have any interest he had John ed sighting 121 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:38,120 young Did you have any sightings or any type of 122 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,600 interest beyond aerospace? 123 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:45,439 Speaker 4: I had not of UFOs, but the paranormal did to 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,279 visit my house quite a bit. I think we had 125 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,879 a haunted house when I was a child, and I 126 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,519 wrote a book about angels because I had a very 127 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:57,040 interesting experience when I was pregnant with my third child. 128 00:06:57,079 --> 00:06:58,600 I say that was based on a true story of 129 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:03,480 books called Angel on Board. But UFOs I saw something 130 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,639 that was really interesting in the mid eighties. I dismissed 131 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:12,720 it as man made until I became involved with John 132 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:14,160 and he goes, say, you ever see anything? And I 133 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:16,439 described to him the one thing that I had seen, 134 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:19,360 and he's no, that was a UFO. We have finally 135 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,680 figured out what that was. But yeah, I had one 136 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,759 dramatic experience before John and I got together, and then 137 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,000 the rest of them have been interesting experience that we've 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:30,720 shared together. 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,959 Speaker 1: And a lot of times you hear people like mathematicians. 140 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,160 I talked in depth with one that was a professor, 141 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,600 and I was very surprised that with kind of associate 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,399 math and science as one in some type of way, 143 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:53,639 because everything can be mathematical in a way or another. 144 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,079 But she was like totally into the idea that we 145 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,199 could be being visited by extraterrestrials. And it shocked me 146 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:07,639 at first, but I guess if you're looking at things mathematically, 147 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:09,920 it would be I think impossible that we're alone. 148 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: Yes, And if you go to the Drake equation or whatever. 149 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: John's actually got a tool on our tools dot ufo 150 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:21,920 track dot com where you can plug in the current 151 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,360 estimated number of planets and get a visual for how 152 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:29,800 many planets it would actually have habitable life based on 153 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:33,399 there based on there at current estimates. 154 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:34,919 Speaker 3: If you scroll down just a little bit and go 155 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,440 down to tools. 156 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: It's really mind boggling. 157 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: Got right there, investigator toolkit. Click on that. 158 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: And that I'll go to tools dot ufo track dot 159 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,360 com and if you scroll down just a little bit 160 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:51,200 more on that you'll see. I believe it's a man 161 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,320 standing next to it, stack of pennies. 162 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: Let's see. I think it's on down a little bit. 163 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:00,480 It's really mind boggling because this twenty I. 164 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: Think you pass it. I think it's called planet predictor. 165 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,679 Stay a little bit further down. But anyways, it's called 166 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:12,279 planet predictor. And it is mathematically staggering to think that 167 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,879 we are alone. 168 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you put in the it's defaults to 169 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,960 the numbers, the best numbers from NASA and other sources. 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,960 For the number there is the number of planets around 171 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,840 US stars. There's only one on the average, one planet 172 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:29,480 around each star, but the number of stars in the galaxy, 173 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,000 the number of galaxies. Take all these parameters in the 174 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,039 best estimates they have right now, and then the percentage 175 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,080 that would be in a habitable zone where liquid water 176 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,080 can exist, and you so you get a total number 177 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:42,480 of habitable zone planets that are predicted to be out 178 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:46,159 there with the best known parameters they have. And then 179 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,200 if you equate each one of those, this is a 180 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:51,039 huge number. If you equate each of those with a 181 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:54,120 US penny, and you start stacking them in rows and 182 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,120 columns and then layer, layer an area, and then we'll 183 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,080 stack it up high. You can you actually have to 184 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,120 cover the whole cotton metal United States to six miles deep. 185 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,720 That's the numbers to equivalence with the number of habitable 186 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:12,399 zone planets they're predicting. So if we're the only life 187 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,320 out there that scares the heck out of me, actually. 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,159 Speaker 1: Wow, wow, yeah, yeah, that's really something when you think 189 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,759 about things like that, when you hear the basically all 190 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,200 the stards that we think are out there, all the 191 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,720 grains of sand on all the beaches and all over 192 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:35,120 the world equal that type of thing. When you to 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,919 touch the sand, you look at your finger with all 194 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,960 the grains of sand. That's hard to imagine. And these 195 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,480 numbers are so hard to visualize in your head. And 196 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:49,200 I know that the human brain can comfortably look at 197 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,879 maybe a thousand things and figure that out, but when 198 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:55,559 the numbers get higher, it's more and more difficult. And 199 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,200 I know I've said this on the show a few 200 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,279 times because when you use the word brillion, it just 201 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,440 sounds like another number multiples of billion. But if you 202 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,799 were to count to a trillion, and you started right now, 203 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,039 day and night and counting as a human being, you'd 204 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:15,639 have to live thirty thousand years. Wow, that's how big 205 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,720 a trillion is. 206 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: Big numbers are weird in that sense, you. 207 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: Know, and thet our universe and all that. Just from 208 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,159 what we know, it's such a puzzling thing. I've asked 209 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,840 astrophysicists on the show before, what's the end of space 210 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,240 look like? Does it have an end? And they try 211 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:36,399 to explain us, like a balloon like it doesn't you 212 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,159 go around it? If you're going around a balloon, it's 213 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:42,080 I don't think. The bottom line is no one really knows. 214 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:44,679 That's really the bottom line. And I feel the same 215 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,279 way with UFOs. I feel like no one. I don't 216 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,480 think anyone really knows exactly what they are. 217 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:55,759 Speaker 4: I think that some people have a picture or their experience, 218 00:11:55,879 --> 00:12:00,559 but there could be so many different kinds of experiences, 219 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,159 but there's just not one one truth. I think that 220 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,080 there are many civilizations coming to visit, as many types 221 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:13,799 of entities and even many types of forms of that 222 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:18,840 from physical to plasma to say interdimensional. Who knows, We don't. 223 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:23,480 That's why we're researching it. And there's an old saying, 224 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,440 always be in search of the truth, but run like 225 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,519 hell from someone who found it, because now they'll just 226 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,679 be preaching that there're one small truth when there's still 227 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:34,639 so much to research. 228 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:39,519 Speaker 2: My own personal opinion is that with all those habitable 229 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,879 zone planets, there's probably lots and lots of civilizations that 230 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,799 just randomly come and explore the Earth. So that's why 231 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,919 we see so many different types of species, but the 232 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:51,799 universe so that we could have a lot of other variations, 233 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:56,919 like EJ said, plasma or consciousness. It is possible, so 234 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,879 we just need to put an open mind on it all. 235 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,639 Speaker 1: And the skeptics always have the same argument, and that 236 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,039 is that the distances are too far, and the distances 237 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:10,919 are just we're talking about numbers. It's just crazy how 238 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,279 far away the nearest star is. But our little brains 239 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,039 maybe can't figure out something in physics that a higher 240 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,080 intelligence can. 241 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:26,399 Speaker 4: They're putting our limitations on entities that may not be 242 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,679 limited the way that we are. 243 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: And that Albert Carrie drive that they're talking about their 244 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:34,519 own potentially ways we can get around it. But put 245 00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:37,480 it this way, if even one civilization out there amongst 246 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:40,840 all those has figured it out, then there's probably lots 247 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,279 and lots of them that have also shouldn't be just 248 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 one of anything, because with the vast numbers involved. 249 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: And the argument to the question I've asked asketrophysicists, Okay, 250 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,639 so why the blue marble? Why would they come see us? 251 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,600 So what makes us so special? And he said, they 252 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,320 always said, we are actually pretty special. We're teaming with 253 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,240 all types of millions of species. And it's I think 254 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,759 that if we had the capability of traveling and we 255 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,399 spotted something like any habitable planet, we would want to 256 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,960 go visit. I would think if we had that capability curiosity, 257 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:17,000 we would definitely explore. We're trying to do that now 258 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:20,440 and places we know are have it to just to 259 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:23,679 put our feet on the ground in different places. I'm 260 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,200 excited about the Moon. In a few years, it looks 261 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,039 like we'll be on the moon again, and Mars. I 262 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:31,000 don't know if that will ever happen and when will happen. 263 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:32,720 We have to have a lot of safeguards before we 264 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,639 do something like that. And whoever goes is on a 265 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:36,679 one way trip. 266 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,399 Speaker 4: And I know it, and that's you know, yeah, that's 267 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,000 the adventurous spirit. And when people went out west, they 268 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,960 knew it was a one way trip humans. 269 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,399 Speaker 2: For your design, humans are designed to explore, and that 270 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,519 we're the only species that's designed that way, so we'll see. 271 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I never really thought of it 272 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:57,080 like that, So I guess I'm going to ask you, 273 00:14:57,159 --> 00:15:01,799 so what led you from being observers to actually wanting 274 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,679 to build some technology around it. 275 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,039 Speaker 2: I've been a move ON member off and on for years, 276 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,360 and I've just noticed that we're getting just for eight 277 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,679 decades now, we've been promised disclosure by the government and 278 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,559 it just hasn't happened. And I'm not sure how. I 279 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:21,440 don't think it's going to happen again here in the 280 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,559 near future. We're getting closer and we are getting more information, 281 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,360 but I think we almost have to do it ourselves. 282 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,600 And one of the things I've noticed is that all 283 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,759 these organizations that collect information about UFO sightings, they tend 284 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,960 to just archive the data away. We just haven't made 285 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,279 any progress. So we came up with the concept of 286 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,320 real time information that goes beyond just collecting information to study, 287 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,080 which is really a good thing to do. Move On 288 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,360 and all these organizations, it's great that they're doing that, 289 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:51,679 but we've come up with something kind of new We 290 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,080 want to have a real time alert system that people 291 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:59,279 anybody can join and anybody can report and anybody can 292 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,960 get alerts. If you're within fifty miles of an alert, 293 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,840 you will get an alert on your phone as a member, 294 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,240 and you can instantly go outside with your phone and 295 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,360 camera and add to the witness count and maybe get 296 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,080 camera views. Because going back to the math thing, we 297 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:20,000 have a system of being able to take if you 298 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:22,720 can get two camera views on an object with some 299 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:27,440 separation and background information trees and buildings, whatever, we can 300 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,519 do the math to determine distance, size, velocity, acceleration, things 301 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,360 that other collecting other organizations collecting data. It's really hard 302 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,600 to get that particular part of the data. They want 303 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,039 pictures that are really good, high quality pictures. That's cool, 304 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,000 But we want pictures with the dott A light in 305 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,000 it from two different angles so we can do the 306 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:53,559 calculations for distance and altitude, which then leads up to 307 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,159 the no flies on. I want to talk about that 308 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:55,960 ej No. 309 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:58,159 Speaker 4: I wanted to go back to his question about what 310 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,559 brought us to this. That is, as John was explaining 311 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,119 these things and we go to move on and various 312 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,920 other things that we have done through the years, we 313 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,480 kept coming back to why is their giggle factor? 314 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,759 Speaker 3: And how could we prove this? What would it take 315 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,079 to actually prove this? 316 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 4: And so our take is that we needed multiple witnesses, 317 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,640 we needed multiple pieces of equipment reporting on the same thing, 318 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,440 and the only way to do that is to get 319 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,680 people out in real time looking at the same thing 320 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,279 at the same time. 321 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: And so what that took. 322 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 4: Is to create a network where people are instantly notified 323 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:43,519 if something happens, and we have created that. Now what 324 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:46,799 we need are the nodes on that network to get 325 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:50,559 people that say, hey, yeah, if that's out there, tell 326 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:51,920 me so that I can go out there and. 327 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: Help collect data. 328 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 4: Because everybody that's listening, I'm going to speak for you all. 329 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,640 I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but I think that you 330 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,839 all want disclosure as much as we do. So the 331 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,480 way that's going to happen is to get some incontrovertible evidence. 332 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:07,440 And the best way that we can do that is 333 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,480 with multiple witnesses on the same event, and with equipment, 334 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:18,880 with documents, with gathering data, and pretty soon it's we're 335 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,480 going to have science and math explain it all, or 336 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,319 at least that sighting, because, like I said, there's going 337 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,240 to be all sorts of stuff, but we're going to 338 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:31,200 get disclosure to the point that we know we're not 339 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:34,319 alone because we can prove that something's flying where it 340 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:37,160 shouldn't be flying, flying at speeds that we don't have 341 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:42,920 capabilities up, or just that it's exotic looking and we've 342 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,359 got photographs of it from different angles and that kind 343 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,559 of stuff at that level can't be faked. 344 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:53,319 Speaker 1: So how does someone get involved in the First thing 345 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,039 I know that people think of is I'd like to 346 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,680 do it, but I've got to pay the bills or whatever. 347 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,839 How much is this going to cost me? That's what 348 00:19:01,079 --> 00:19:02,599 people are going to ask right off the bat. 349 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,799 Speaker 4: So if you go to UFO track dot com, ufohythentrack 350 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,759 dot com, that first thing there that says subscribe to 351 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,319 the only real time rapid response UFO alert service. It 352 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,599 is five dollars a month. We wanted to keep the 353 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,839 price low so that there was no resistance to the 354 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,480 price of entry, So five dollars a month, and then 355 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,000 if anything happens in your area within fifty miles, and 356 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:28,559 we could expand it if you're very rural, but within 357 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,359 fifty miles of your area. You'll get a text message 358 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,319 in real time saying somebody has reported or one of 359 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,279 our units has detected and anomaly in your area. So 360 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:41,240 it's five dollars a month. You can click through and 361 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:43,279 you can if you don't like memberships, you can pay 362 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:48,039 annually or lifetime, but it is just five dollars a month, 363 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:49,680 So we were trying to keep the cost of entry 364 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,640 as low as possible. 365 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,559 Speaker 3: It does cost us to send out those text messages. 366 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,759 Speaker 4: There is a cost related to that, so we can't 367 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,160 just do it for free, or we would, but we 368 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,000 do want to do five dollars a month too. To 369 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359 get you in the network, you'll have to provide us 370 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,440 your longitude latitude so that we can and your phone 371 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,720 number of course, so that we can text you and 372 00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:12,400 we can tell where you live. 373 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:13,839 Speaker 3: But that's all. 374 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: That's the extent of saying, yeah, I'd like to do this. 375 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:19,240 But then if you do get notified that there's something 376 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,000 in your area, go out with your camera in hand 377 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,200 and take a picture. And then do the same thing, 378 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,079 which is the second thing on that list, which is 379 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,640 where to report a UFO And you go to report 380 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,359 dot UFO track dot com and you keep the chain 381 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,599 going that somebody notified you and you also saw it, 382 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:42,640 so you also report it. And these things are going 383 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,240 to populate on a real time map at sightings dot 384 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:49,720 ufotrack dot com. So we can see these things populate 385 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:53,440 in real time on a map. And if we can 386 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,079 get multiple people at that same event, maybe fifty miles 387 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,599 down and fifty miles down and fifty miles down, we 388 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,839 can watch a UFO just fly across our country real 389 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,799 time on a map. 390 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: And to Don's point, a lot. 391 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: Of organizations like this keep the data private or behind 392 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,119 a paywall. That sitings dot ufo trap dot com. Anybody 393 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,880 can go to, anybody can look at. It's just if 394 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,240 you want to report to it, you need to be 395 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:21,480 one of our members. 396 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: And then also the report form is a really fast 397 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,000 little report form online. So it's intended for the real 398 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,400 time alert. But if we've also invented some devices. We've 399 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,240 got the UFO track I'm sorry, UFO Sense device that 400 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,079 automatically detects Earth's magnetic field shifts and the gravity shift 401 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,720 and it does the alert for you. So this is 402 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:46,920 twenty four to seven monitoring. It costs one hundred dollars. 403 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,559 If you don't wan to spend hundred dollars, just have 404 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,559 the report web page ready to report. But if we 405 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:55,640 get these sensors out there that can automate the process 406 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,960 a lot. And I keep going back to the Phoenix 407 00:21:59,039 --> 00:21:59,960 lights event, which. 408 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: Most Yeah, can you imagine if you had that? Yeah, 409 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,000 if there were fifties, that would be crazy. I was 410 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,960 thinking that. I was actually going to say. 411 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it would have changed things a lot. 412 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the center. Someone's asking if this service uses radar, 413 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,880 but what are this? What type of sensors are they? 414 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:20,759 Speaker 2: Excuse me? The UFO sense has two sensors. One is 415 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,079 a compass a chip but all three axes. It detects 416 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,880 the Earth's magnetic field direction and strength, and if either 417 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,799 of those shift for more than two seconds, more than 418 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,880 just a tiny bit, that'll set off an alert. And 419 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,480 the other sensor is accelerometer, which we determine the direction 420 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,079 and amount of the gravity of the Earth. So as 421 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,960 long as your UFO sense is sitting quietly on a shelf, 422 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,720 it will detect if the Earth's gravity acceleration increases for 423 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,480 a solid two seconds or decreases for solid two seconds, 424 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,960 it'll set off an alert too. I don't know how 425 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,160 many UFOs will set that off, but there is there's 426 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,480 a lot of evidence about the electromagnetic compass kind of 427 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,000 spinning that happens all the time. We've got all kinds 428 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,680 of research showing that that is a viable thing to detect. 429 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,559 Speaker 4: Yes, as we said that, the detection will populate the 430 00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:17,480 map and a personal report will populate the map, so 431 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:21,119 we can see these things happening in real time at 432 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,559 the same time. And the report at UFO track dot 433 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:27,160 com is very simple. It is your longitude and latitude, 434 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:32,000 your email, and the direction that the craft was flying, 435 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:33,680 and if you want to say what kind of craft 436 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,440 it is or any other details, you can do that, 437 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:39,720 but it's a thirty second thing to enter, so that 438 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:43,000 you can actually do it while you're watching the thing. 439 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:46,000 If you can't, or that's why we're trying to get 440 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,440 this the longest or the quickest data into the system 441 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200 at all, then it will trigger an email back to 442 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,119 you that says if do you want to fill in 443 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,160 the blanks, do you want to say anything else, or 444 00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:59,640 do you want to attach some art, do you have 445 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,599 a sure or a video? And we've had people respond 446 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,359 right back with photos that they'd seen in the sky. 447 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,079 It's really exciting how fast this stuff comes in. Then 448 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,240 I take those photos and I have to manually do this, 449 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,440 so it's not exactly real time, but it's as near 450 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,640 real time as I can make it. 451 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,599 Speaker 3: But I take those photos and I. 452 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: Attach them to the little map icons so that within minutes, 453 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:24,640 somebody in Pennsylvania can see something that somebody in California 454 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,559 also saw. So it's the real time aspect of sharing 455 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,920 this data with everybody. 456 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,319 Speaker 3: Everybody can play because this affects everybody. 457 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: A private thing or should it be behind a big 458 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,839 paywall that you can't get in mofon. You can't get 459 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,359 into Moofon's data and look at it as a whole set. 460 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: This you can look. 461 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: At it as it goes back to my background as 462 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,400 a data set. You can see how many they're color coded. 463 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,559 You can see how many are magnetic, how many are gravitic, 464 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,680 how many are public people just reporting UFOs, And you 465 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,880 can see how many people are members reporting UFOs. You 466 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,079 can see how many we'd be bumped. You can see 467 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:08,519 how many are still just need to be investigated. 468 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: And for good sightings, when something really significant happens, we 469 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,319 strongly suggest to the witness that they go ahead and 470 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:17,640 final a report with move on so that the slower 471 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,400 after the fact in depth analysis can be done. We're 472 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,079 more about the real time. They're more about after that 473 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,440 really good analysis, after the fact that both purposes serve 474 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,319 really good goals. 475 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,079 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a little bit of a 476 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:35,119 turn here because Mary Grace has been listening to me 477 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,240 for a very long time and a really good person, 478 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,480 and she has a question going back to you, EJ. 479 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,240 And it's do you have an explanation for the paranormal 480 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:50,000 activity in your home growing up? How is it related 481 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,960 to you? Aps and a dimensional with a question mark. 482 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,400 She also grew up in an active house. 483 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: My house was in Pennsylvania, outside of Filadelphia and actually 484 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,799 very near to Valley Forge Park. 485 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,079 Speaker 1: Why are they always in Pennsylvania. I always hear about 486 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,440 activity like this in Pennsylvania. It's so weird. 487 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: So it was. We lived in a place called king 488 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,079 of Prussia. Apparently there was a big mall there. It 489 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,480 wasn't there when I was a kid, but. 490 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,759 Speaker 4: What it was, we didn't talk about it when we 491 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,880 lived there, and I was the ages four to eight, 492 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,640 so we didn't talk about it while we lived there. 493 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,920 But years later, as teens and adults, my siblings and 494 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,799 parents compared notes and we all had seen the same thing, 495 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,640 which basically was just a very mean old man who 496 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,000 would basically attack us. My sister and I lived in 497 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,960 the same room, and she swears he would just sit 498 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,920 on her till she couldn't breathe. And I was between 499 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,400 the ages of four and eight, and I could tell 500 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,319 you that I was petrified of going into basements for 501 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,799 fear of seeing one very specif thing that my active 502 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:06,359 memory says I'd never seen. But anybody that knows that 503 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,319 kind of behavior, that's the blocking of a memory. And 504 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,440 I went through hypnosis Slater in life, and I don't 505 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,759 know's it was. What I saw that there was just 506 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,960 an old man that apparently did not like girls and 507 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,440 had a gun across his lap and blocked our door 508 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,240 from getting out. So but the thing is that I 509 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,039 knew that I could walk anywhere in my house, and 510 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,279 I had when I was age four to aj eight, 511 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,200 and then any other house that I lived in, I 512 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000 would walk around at night with my eyes closed. I 513 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,160 knew the house like I was a blind person because 514 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480 I didn't want to open my eyes in the dark. 515 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: I was so petrified at that. 516 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,599 Speaker 4: So but what does it have with UFOs? Probably nothing 517 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,839 except that you Everything is probably all related. The ghosts 518 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,440 might be more interdimensional. 519 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have all those answers. I 520 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,599 just know that we lived in a very scary house 521 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,960 when I was a child. It lasted with me all 522 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,440 my life. 523 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,279 Speaker 1: Okay, since we've taken this little turn, I'm going to 524 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,960 I'm going to fill in an experience. I've told my 525 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,200 Poltry Ice experience that I had on this show a 526 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,759 few times that I thought I'd never tell anyone, But 527 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,400 I have to tell a family house. My father actually 528 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,039 bought it after I had moved out of the house. 529 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,039 But he bought this property and it was part of 530 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,799 a very historic home. It was in Kittery, Maine, and 531 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,319 it was right onto the Busy Root one and at 532 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440 one time there was an Indian attack there and the 533 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,680 children were killed and the woman was taken away. She escaped. 534 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,720 In the historic records and everything, So he owned the house. 535 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,079 And I've never heard him talk about anything in particular. 536 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,359 But my sister was recovering from surgery and I was 537 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,200 talking to her on the phone. She was staying there 538 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,400 in the house and my father was off doing something. 539 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,519 She said, this place is haunted. And I said, what 540 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,160 are you talking about. She says, yes, this is there's 541 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,640 a little girl walking in a white dress. I see her, 542 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,519 she's transparent, and then she's gone. And and so I 543 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,079 had stayed there, I don't know the year before, watching 544 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,039 my father's dog, and a hook kept hooking on the 545 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,759 other side of the door for me to come downstairs, 546 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,359 and I'd have to go all the way around and 547 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,720 go the other stairway to get down, and it was 548 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,119 a hass. But I couldn't understand why that was happening. 549 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,920 That was my only experience. So I guess my father 550 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,640 got home and my sister saying, this place is haunted. 551 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,799 My father says, I know it's a little girl stuck 552 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,400 on schnuck gonna bother you. Let's to know, my father, 553 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,559 That's what I could hear him say it. So this 554 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,960 is the crazy part of the story. That's crazy enough. 555 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,759 Crazy part of the story is they put in these 556 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,720 outlet malls here, kitty outlet malls, and they kept my 557 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,680 father's barn, and they turned into the gap and they 558 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,160 took the house and they moved it about a mile 559 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,799 up the street, up on the left and a patch 560 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:01,119 of land. So I'm driving by there one day and 561 00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,880 I see someone open an antique shop and it was 562 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,519 funny because my father had an antique shop, and so 563 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,400 I pulled in. I started talking to the guy, said 564 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,359 you know there was an anti shop when this house 565 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160 was down the road, and he said no, he had 566 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,359 no idea in all this, And so I got up 567 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240 the courage and I asked him, I said, does anybody 568 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,759 ever talk about anything weird in this place? And he 569 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,839 looks at me, he goes, do you mean the little 570 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,640 girl in the white dress? And I said what and 571 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,119 he says, yeah. My daughter was talking in the other 572 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,920 room and I went in and she said there was 573 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,839 a little girl in the white dress. And he goes, 574 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,160 go ask the accountants in the front. They see her 575 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,119 all the time. And I went in and sure enough, 576 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,799 so she stayed in the house when they moved it. 577 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,839 All right, we got to get back to UFOs. Thank 578 00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:48,839 you all for hi. Yeah, a little sideline, but I 579 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 got to tell you. I had a friend that he 580 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:57,240 believed that all of it was related from you name it, 581 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,519 from Bigfoot to ghosts to UFOs who everything he thought 582 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680 in his mind. His name was Paul Eno. He's a 583 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,039 longtime radio host and did paranormal and in his mind 584 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,920 he thought everything was inter dimensional. That was just the 585 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,759 way he felt, and he witnessed some crazy stuff in 586 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,279 his life. I don't know. I think that is definitely 587 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200 an answer for some of it, but I don't believe 588 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,480 it's all of it. 589 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,039 Speaker 2: All of it. Not to keep an open mind, but 590 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,440 anything is possible. Yeah, I've got a ghost story too, 591 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,799 but I don't want to go there right now. It 592 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:32,440 takes too long. 593 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: Next time. 594 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: Some of our ghost stories are in a book called 595 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,279 Angel on. 596 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: Board Real Life Stories. 597 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: Because my Angel on Board was based on my experience 598 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,039 being pregnant with my son. But I wrote the ending 599 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,240 I wish the way it would have happened. But when 600 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,359 I say it was based on a real story, people go, Okay, 601 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:51,960 well it's the real story. So we did write up that, 602 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,119 and we have some interesting stories in there, including one 603 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,079 where somebody on the other side saved John's life. 604 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,079 Speaker 2: Yes, so my previous quest my life, and yeah, it's 605 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:03,880 in the book, so it's a good story. 606 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:10,079 Speaker 1: Excellent. Getting back to your UFO detection, Is there some 607 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,119 way that can help reduce you mentioned what you said, 608 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,519 you may be able to debunk I know what you're 609 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,640 trying to say, you can explain what they are. Do 610 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,839 you think what you're doing will help actually reduce some 611 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,319 of the misidentifications potentially. 612 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: You know, the more people are conscious and aware of 613 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,839 the whole subject and what it could be. People see 614 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,400 starlink and at first they were really confused, they thought 615 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,759 they were UFOs, but now these more, yeah, we're aware 616 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,960 of starlinks, and so the more people are aware of 617 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240 what's going on and how to explain things, that helps 618 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,559 filter out the stuff we don't really need to worry about. 619 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,240 But it does leave there is a real core of 620 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,119 sightings and events that are not starlink and go way 621 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,599 beyond this. 622 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have tools at tools dot ufo track dot 623 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720 com that we showed a little bit ago and they're 624 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,960 intended Another part of ship is that will teach you 625 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,279 how to use those tools, but they're intended to help 626 00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:08,240 you debunk your own sightings or whatever. But what we 627 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,640 want is that to go to report dot ufo track 628 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,480 dot com. If you don't know what you're seeing, let's 629 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,960 get a lot of eyeballs on it. So if you 630 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,680 don't know, don't second guess yourself and say, oh, it's 631 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,440 probably something prosaic. If you don't know what it is, 632 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,640 report it. Let's get somebody else to look at it too. 633 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,920 And if it is prosaic, so what, we've been fooled 634 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,880 so often. I just some prosaic stuff. We had one 635 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,200 night we thought it was the greatest thing in the 636 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,559 world because we saw fifty lights up in the sky 637 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,960 just dancing all around the stars. And we found out 638 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,400 that somebody had just renewed their vows and let go 639 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,240 fifty led balloons. But boy, until we found that out, 640 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,000 we thought we had the best sighting of the planet. 641 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: So I ran around like. 642 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,319 Speaker 4: A fool, going everybody, look up a dungeon of constellations. Everybody, 643 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,440 do this, take your cameras out. But then, you know, 644 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:02,319 we got disappointed because it had a explanation. But what 645 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,759 if it didn't, we'd have had the greatest, the greatest 646 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,519 sighting in the world because we had fifty lights all 647 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,400 dancing around. Anyways, it is just if you don't know 648 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,760 what it is, report it. And if we debunk it, 649 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,960 so what don't that personally? Oh my god, I did 650 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,920 something wrong. He didn't you asked a question and you 651 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,840 got an answer, and that's solid because when we can't 652 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,760 get an answer, you'll know that we have done our 653 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,320 due diligence to try to truly figure it out. And 654 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,400 if there's something left unexplained, then that's the truly identified. 655 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 2: Along the same lines, a lot of times people will 656 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,880 see something and they'll hesitate to start filming it because 657 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,119 it'll be gone in a minute, or I don't know 658 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,079 what it is. Yeah, pull your camera out and start recording, 659 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,880 because it's just batter that can That's the kind of 660 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,679 thing we need to do, is just go ahead and report, 661 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,159 go ahead and try to fill them whatever it is. 662 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840 If it's something prosaic, and that's okay. If it isn't, 663 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,000 then you've got some better days. 664 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,079 Speaker 1: I filmed a couple of things that I thought at 665 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,079 the time. I actually have them where I can actually 666 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,679 show them. But at the time I thought I was 667 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,119 seeing UFO and one of them marked Antonio, who's a 668 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,320 friend of the show, thinks it most likely was a drone. 669 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,239 But I went over to where it should have land 670 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,599 landed and there was I didn't see anything. Anyway, I 671 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,000 might as well play it. It's one minute long. I've 672 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 said a few times on this and I think I 673 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,840 keep repeating that there's a light flashing on the camera 674 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,119 or something silly. But anyway, here we. 675 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. I would I could see where Mark 676 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,360 would say that could be a drone because it did 677 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,519 behave like it, but it might not be. And that's 678 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,159 exactly a good case where if we had two cameras, 679 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,719 then we determined that it was two hundred feet away, yes, 680 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,840 probably drone, But if it was two miles away zipping 681 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,079 real fast, that would open the door to a lot 682 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,400 more investigation on it. 683 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,559 Speaker 3: We could have it for speed. 684 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,519 Speaker 1: I can't believe that was twenty twenty one. I thought 685 00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,719 that was like two years ago. That thing. That wind 686 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,000 was blowing so hard that night. I just couldn't imagine 687 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,280 where anyone would be flying a drone. 688 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,079 Speaker 4: You're not supposed to fly in the wind up to 689 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,800 certain amounts. That's another one of John's tools is that 690 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,880 we can get for any date and time what the 691 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,719 wind speed is at various altitudes, so they able to 692 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,239 active tools dot ufo track dot com. We ended up 693 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:23,559 debunking one of our own that we thought was pretty 694 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:27,920 good with that tool, but that was really good. And 695 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,239 I want to tell you that you did a good 696 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,199 job filming that, keeping it in focus and the background 697 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,039 where we could see what was going on, to give 698 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,639 it a point of reference, to be able to see 699 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:38,559 how fast it was going. 700 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: If it was just a light in the sky, we 701 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,159 wouldn't off you're moving or if it's coming. So you 702 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,519 did a good job filming that, and sure it's worked. 703 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 4: Further investigation that would be that'd be really cool to 704 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,760 have that give me the date and the time and 705 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,119 the longitude and latitude, and I can put that up 706 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:55,599 on our. 707 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 3: Cases, which is study it further. 708 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: If you want to, oh, still, how far back you go? 709 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:01,599 You go back? 710 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,679 Speaker 4: I go back because of the electromagnetic studies that we've 711 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:06,039 been doing. 712 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,119 Speaker 3: I've been going back even as far as some of 713 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:09,000 the blue book. 714 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 4: Cases, because in using his tools, we can add more 715 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,599 data to some of the blue book cases and either 716 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,760 tell them that they simarily dismiss something that wasn't the 717 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,599 right answer and revive it or validate it. But if 718 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,440 you want to do that, there's another website to get 719 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,440 us just for the members that It's called cases ufl 720 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,599 trap dot com. 721 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,199 Speaker 3: And again it'll just be a data set. 722 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,639 Speaker 4: People can download the data from there and they can 723 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,079 look at the videos that go along with it, as 724 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:44,119 long as you give me the permission to put it 725 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,480 up there and let other people do that. But yeah, 726 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,639 it's I would look into that a little further. There 727 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,519 is a good chance it was a drone. But that 728 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,679 behaved pretty crazy. And if we add to it the 729 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,920 wind data that we know from the weather, we can 730 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480 talk about how drones aren't supposed to fly above twenty 731 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,760 miles an hour because they become hard to control, and 732 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,320 drones aren't supposed to fly at night, hi, and especially 733 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,880 in twenty twenty one, you have to have a special 734 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,519 license for a flying drones at night. And if we 735 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,559 could triangulate it that was above the four hundred feet, 736 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,199 we could tell you that that's not an amateur drone anyways, 737 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,320 if it was a drone. 738 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to be posting up a couple of questions 739 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,639 soon here, so if anyone wants to see a couple 740 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,800 questions in there, if you'd like to ask our guests 741 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,639 this evening some questions, please put them in all caps 742 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,119 and I'll get to you. But since we are on 743 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,559 the topic of drones, I remember back right around twenty 744 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,599 twenty or twenty twenty one, somewhere around there, there was 745 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,199 a major drone issue in Colorado, and I was following 746 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,599 that pretty closely at the time, And so that is 747 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:56,920 something that we all have to deal with when we're 748 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,599 trying to look into this topic and trying to see 749 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,760 what's a real UFO or not. And I still think 750 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,920 the whole drone situation that happened more recently is a mystery. 751 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:14,000 Some are saying that it's one branch of the government 752 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,000 testing another branch of the government on another branch of 753 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,960 the government, like for instance, maybe the Army testing with 754 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:25,320 an incursion on an air Force base. I don't understand 755 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,119 what the purpose exactly would be of that unless they're 756 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,800 trying to see everything get away. If they have the 757 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,360 technology to get away with something on enemy territory and 758 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,679 that's the only way they can test it for real, 759 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,119 I don't know. But anyway, we're all dealing with drones. 760 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280 I remember when people started doing the Chinese landyards, and 761 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880 that was another thing because the first time I saw 762 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,920 a bunch of them, I thought for sure I was 763 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,639 looking at something extraterrestrial, and starlink I saw personally myself, 764 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:56,280 which was amazing. It was awesome to see. 765 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 4: I wish we'd have had UFO truck when those drones 766 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,960 dreams in Nebraska or Colorado, because somebody would have gone 767 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,920 out reported and everybody within fifty miles would have gotten 768 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,360 their cameras out, and everybody would have taken pictures of 769 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,519 the same set of drones from different locations, and we 770 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:17,079 could have at least gotten altitude, the size, and speed. 771 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,920 We'd have been able to get more data than just 772 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,599 the things that the news reported. And the same with 773 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840 the stuff that was recently on the East coast if 774 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,559 we'd had UFO track then, because it's only been live 775 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,440 since November. So getting in on the ground floor. If 776 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,880 you guys join, anybody sees something like that, report it, 777 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,719 let's get other cameras up there and then funnel them 778 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480 to a commonplace where we can do the math on it, 779 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,119 and then we'll publish it and we'll know at least 780 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,280 if there's pros eight options or if. 781 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,679 Speaker 3: These things are pretty extraordinary. 782 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,119 Speaker 4: And John alluded to a thing called the no fly zone, 783 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,920 which we'll talk about quick. But there are places in 784 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,599 the sky that things if they're flying my definition, they're exotic. 785 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of our project. Is airplanes 786 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,199 and balloons and anything that's air breathing cannot go above 787 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,000 about twenty miles high. The only thing you can go up 788 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,440 higher that is a rocket or rocks coming down from space. 789 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,639 And anything that's in orbit can't come down below about 790 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,760 one hundred miles up real quickly deorbit because of slight 791 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,360 hair drag. So there's a zone from twenty miles to 792 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239 a hundred miles we call the no fly zone. If 793 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,599 we can catch something at that altitude, if we see 794 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000 the satellite going across the sky steadily and we can 795 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,679 do the triangulation and find out if it's only sixty 796 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960 miles up above the Earth, then that's not a satellite. 797 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,199 That's something exotic. We don't know what it is, but 798 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,559 at least we can it begs explanation, begs research into 799 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,119 figuring out what it was, So that no fly zone 800 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,920 is an important part of what our goals are is 801 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,039 to catch stuff in the no fly zone. And those 802 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,800 drones and even the one US just filmed, if that 803 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,800 was it's thirty miles away, it would be really zipping. 804 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,440 That would be a lot different than it's two hundred 805 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360 feet away in a small drone. And that's the thing 806 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,840 we can do. We can with two cameras, we can 807 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,400 start to catch the distance and speed and size and 808 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,199 elevation and that can be very important data. 809 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: Now, if have you ever considered creating an app, and 810 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,639 for one purpose I can think of right off the 811 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:29,199 bat is for you to be able to have your 812 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,360 location tracked. In other words, here I am at this 813 00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:35,840 longitude latitude. This is where I live, but I travel 814 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,440 a lot. I'm all over the place. And if I'm 815 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,280 up in New Hampshire, for instance, where I spend the summers, 816 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,039 if I have my phone on me and your app 817 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,880 tracked while you're at that location, so I'm going to 818 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,920 be sending out the UFO that's at that location. Or 819 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:57,440 can a person have multiple locations that they want to 820 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,880 be tracking to see because they have two homes or something? 821 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,119 Speaker 4: Okay, report dot ufo track dot com. You enter in 822 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,119 your longitude and latitude where you are, so wherever you are, 823 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,639 it'll be so as long as you update the longitude latitude, 824 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:12,719 you're going to be fine. 825 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 3: And that's a web app. 826 00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,119 Speaker 4: It's it's you get to it by going to a website. 827 00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:19,840 But it is an app that runs on your phone. 828 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,760 The only thing that isn't like that is the UFO 829 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,960 Sense device that John's about to pull up, because that 830 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,199 has to stay stationary in a private location. You have 831 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,199 to set it up to hook into the Wi Fi 832 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,960 at that location so that with a detext it can 833 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,639 attach to the Wi Fi and send out all those 834 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:41,719 text messages to yourself and everybody within fifty miles. 835 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,639 Speaker 3: So that has to be stationary. 836 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,119 Speaker 2: But I am working on what we're calling Ufo Detect. 837 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,440 It's almost ready to be sold, but I'm still working 838 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,079 on it. And it is a portable battery pard version 839 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,920 of this, but it require you. You can take it 840 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,599 with you camping or on trips, but if it goes off, 841 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,800 it'll just beep. It won't actually connect and send the 842 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,440 report for you. You'd have to go to the report 843 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,199 site that EJ just mentioned and put in the data 844 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,639 real quick there. But that does make it more portable. 845 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,519 Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm just trying to get this right. So 846 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,039 if I put in my information where I live in 847 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,760 South Carolina and someone else is out in their yard 848 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,360 or whatever and they see something and they report something, 849 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,920 I'm going to get a text right. 850 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,159 Speaker 2: As long as I'm fifty miles of that person. 851 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 3: Is okay. 852 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 4: One thing, your membership is going to be tied to 853 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:39,559 one location. If you move, you can send me the 854 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,159 new location where you want your membership tied, so the 855 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,719 membership will be You're going to tell me where you 856 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,880 live or what something nearby you like an intersection or something. 857 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,519 Speaker 3: I'll pin it to that to keep. 858 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 4: Your information anonymous. Still, we do everything in our world 859 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,599 to protect our members anonymity. But if you do move 860 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960 and you want notifications in your new location, just shoot 861 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480 me an email at admin at UFO track dot com 862 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,960 with your new longitude, latitude or a worst case we 863 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,679 can put in two entries for you and you'll get both. 864 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,639 Speaker 1: You know I would. Yeah, it would take quite a 865 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,519 bit of technology to change it to popping up. 866 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 3: It's it's not going to track you. 867 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So I'm going to start posting a couple 868 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,320 of questions regarding getting very near the end of the show. 869 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,639 Is this system up and running you said since last November? 870 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:33,960 Are there any published results? 871 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 4: Yes, We've had about seventy detections and investigations and reports, 872 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,360 so yeah, they're there, and you can see if you 873 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,599 click on the icon on the map, which is at 874 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:51,079 sightings dot ufo track dot com and anybody can get there. 875 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,760 So go to sightings dot Ufo hyphen track dot com. 876 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:58,119 You'll enter your email, we'll send you a validation and 877 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,960 be able to get into the map at that point. 878 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,800 But you can click it and if there is an 879 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,960 attached video or an attached report or attached photo, you'll 880 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,000 be able to see that. So yeah, you'll be able 881 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:10,519 to see. 882 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 3: How many are there, and we are worldwide. 883 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,639 Speaker 4: We've got people in Australia and many in Europe, in Canada. 884 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,280 So yes, it has been up and we have had 885 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,719 some interesting reports. 886 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,119 Speaker 2: Most of them are fairly explainable or not that grand 887 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,079 of a report, but we've had two or three that 888 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,039 have been or several actually more than that been. More 889 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,880 than that one. Yeah, I'd like to tell the one. 890 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,679 A couple were with the UFO Sense at their house. 891 00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,480 Automatically detected had sent them an alert to their phone, 892 00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,559 but they were in their car about four miles away 893 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,840 from home, headed towards home, and at the same time 894 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,840 the alert came in on their phone. They looked uphere 895 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,480 there's a white objects coming down in the sky. Towards 896 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,679 where their house was over the hill they lived out 897 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,199 in the country, and the correlation between the alert going 898 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,280 off and the thing in the sky just I like 899 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,360 that that particular sighting was really good. 900 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. But here's another question 901 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,199 from this to say, regular listener, apology for missing the 902 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000 first part, but have you been at this long enough 903 00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:18,079 to find white corridors across the USA? I think there's 904 00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:20,280 one south to north from Texas to the Great Lake 905 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,599 and others. 906 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,199 Speaker 2: That's a good thing to shoot towards. We really haven't 907 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719 been doing this long enough to get that kind of 908 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,519 data yet, but that's what that's the kind of thing 909 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:29,360 we're shooting for. 910 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,639 Speaker 4: And I don't want to We had several of our 911 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:35,079 initial members live in Colorado, so there are more reports 912 00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,239 in Colorado, but that's just because there's been more members 913 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,159 in Colorado initially. You will see on sightings dot ufo 914 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,960 track dot com that some of the little UFOs on 915 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,519 the map are very bright and some are faded into 916 00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,119 the background. Basically I aged them out and they get 917 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960 fainter and fainter, but they'll all stay there so that 918 00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:57,840 all the reports will be there forever. 919 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 3: But you want to look for the ones to see 920 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:02,199 the more recent ones. 921 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,280 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Okay, So what's the biggest event 922 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,480 recorded and average amount of reports per day or week 923 00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:11,400 or how does that work. 924 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,039 Speaker 4: We've had about We've had one day where we had 925 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:18,840 about three reports in the same day from distinct locations. 926 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,679 For the most part, it's three a week generally, But 927 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,320 as soon as we get more out there. At the 928 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,000 moment we have seventy out in the field, we want 929 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,239 five thousand. So again it's this is the ground floor opportunity. 930 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,840 As we get five thousand out there, we're going to 931 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,719 have one hundred more times what we've got. But they 932 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,960 are out there, they are reporting, they are corroborating with 933 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:46,800 other data. We had a gravitic alert that was confirmed 934 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:52,400 by reportedly nora AD, So there was two devices that 935 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,480 went off reasonably simultaneously, and then somebody showed a picture later. Again, 936 00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,800 we couldn't tie them all together because they came from 937 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,239 such distinct sources, but they were all in the same 938 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,559 general time frame in place. But that's why we need 939 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,400 people looking at it at the real time at the 940 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,519 same time, so that we can collect that data from 941 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:16,039 distinct locations that's the goal, and it just we have 942 00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,199 the technology, it is up, it is running. We need 943 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,159 the members so that we can cover the country and 944 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,760 soon the world, and that's what we're here for. So 945 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,199 go to our UFO track dot com. Become a member 946 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,599 whoever you want to, but get out there and play 947 00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:32,559 with us, and be willing to get notified that there's 948 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,440 something in your area, go outside with a camera looking 949 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,199 up and report in what. 950 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,519 Speaker 1: I can't think of any reason not to join, so 951 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,360 I'm going to Okay, this is Shelley has talked about 952 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,039 this a few times on this show, and what advice 953 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:48,960 would you give her? She says, I can't get an 954 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000 answer of a white object that just fell out of 955 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,679 this sky. This is a UFO citing that she had. 956 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,920 Would you say to her what she really needs a 957 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,679 lot of specifics to the location, the date, time, all 958 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,440 that right, and I do need. 959 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 4: The longitude, latitude time as close as you can get it. 960 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,280 Speaker 3: And then we can. 961 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:15,159 Speaker 4: Look at various terrestrial explanations. Was there a meteor, was 962 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,320 there satellite? Was it space junk? Things that are actually 963 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,920 recorded in the out there on the internet, and we 964 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,719 can correlate that and see if there's anything dramatic, but 965 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,639 I would like to see, Uh, do you have a picture? 966 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 3: Probably not if it just has video. 967 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: Actually, she just send that again. 968 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 3: My email is admin at UFO track dot com. 969 00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 4: If you send the original we should be able to 970 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,159 get day and time and longitude latitude off of the film. 971 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,119 So don't send anything. That's the other thing. Send an 972 00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,760 original film so that we can go look at the 973 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,079 metadata and have that correlate to where you say you 974 00:50:58,119 --> 00:50:59,599 took it and when you said you took it. 975 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 2: One of the things that's really important is maybe we'll 976 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440 find some other sighting that correlates with it. That's the 977 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,960 more we get again, that's important. 978 00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 4: It so you can look at new fork or move 979 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,159 on and see if they've got anything else. At the 980 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,880 same time, so people are manually doing it, we just 981 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,159 want to automate the process and get everybody to do. 982 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,280 Speaker 1: It all right, So for everyone listening or watching, the 983 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,000 information will be below. In the final edited version of this, 984 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,199 all the information should be easy to get to. Hey, 985 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,079 look who's here, Mendy. How are you glad you made 986 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,280 it here? Right at the very end. That's too bad. 987 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,840 So one of the last questions I had for you 988 00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:42,480 is how would you compare to Enigma Labs. 989 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's several other country companies that are making an 990 00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,800 equipment that in general is collecting the data, not so 991 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,679 much real time to collect at real time, but then 992 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,440 it just goes and gets recorded and then the analysis 993 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,400 can happen. And that is great. I like that. But 994 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,119 we're we're all about the real time alerting. I don't 995 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:06,079 know if anybody any other equipment that sends alerts to other 996 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,760 people within a fifty mile radius. Concept we've got going here. 997 00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 3: For the real time alerting or connects and network together. 998 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 999 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're lobbying for people to just go outside and 1000 00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,239 look when we see something or here's something in that area. 1001 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,960 Go out and look, and your chances of seeing a 1002 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,440 UFO go up dramatically if something's in your area. But 1003 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,480 our report form will tell us that it's a triangle, 1004 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,199 or it's a set of lights, or it's whatever. But 1005 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,559 it'll tell you what to look for, and it'll tell 1006 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,920 you the direction to look for it, so you'll have 1007 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,159 a good shot at catching something if we can alert 1008 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,199 people in real time. There's no guarantees, of course, this 1009 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,480 is all a grand experiment, but even in our early 1010 00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,800 first six months, we've had corroborating data, we've had great art, 1011 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,000 we've had really interesting reports, and not all of them 1012 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,800 were something, but maybe ten percent were. And that's a 1013 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,320 ten percent. We really like to focus on and study 1014 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,000 further better. 1015 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,719 Speaker 2: Something today than just hearing about it tomorrow. 1016 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 4: So agree, we're like first responders versus the other people 1017 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,599 they just report. They're like Triage, were the first responders, 1018 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,280 getting the data and getting getting people out there to help. 1019 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,559 Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, it's better than doing nothing. And I say 1020 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,039 that because, like I remember, I was picking on the 1021 00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:34,000 idea of SETI, but it's they're better because the radio 1022 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,840 frequencies and things like that. But hey, they're at least 1023 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,000 they're trying. I've always thought it was foolish that there 1024 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,599 was so much money spent for that when all these 1025 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,960 people are seeing things here and there's no money spent 1026 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,440 on that. I'm glad you're doing what you're doing, and 1027 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:51,920 I thank you both. It was a pleasure to have 1028 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,559 you on the show. 1029 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 1030 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 3: It's so great to be here and it's great to 1031 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,440 talk to everybody. 1032 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,119 Speaker 4: I love taking the questions, So thank you, thank you everybody. 1033 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 1: With that, all right, okay, good night, so thank you 1034 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,599 all for being here. And as I always say, keep 1035 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,159 your eyes to this guy. Here's a good reason when 1036 00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,760 you hear exactly what they're doing. So again, we have 1037 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,519 this week coming up Thursday night at a PM. We 1038 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:19,800 have our once a month, first Thursday of the month 1039 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:24,440 UFO headlines, so stay tuned for that. UFO Jack's going 1040 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,239 to be there. Hopefully I'm gonna have a surprise guest 1041 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,679 pop in. I don't know if that's going to happen. 1042 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,960 I'm going to try. And then after that at nine 1043 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,960 pm Eastern. Also is Bagna knyor on basically AI and 1044 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,960 the Internet and just where we're heading. So it's a 1045 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,679 little different than a regular new UFO show, which I post. 1046 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,039 Type of shows I always do run on a Thursday, 1047 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,360 and coming up on the fourteenth of this month on Thursday, 1048 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:57,599 I have someone that is very well known for NDAs 1049 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,039 near death experiences and her name is pmh Atwater. She 1050 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,880 is I think she's eighty some odd years old. It's 1051 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,519 going to be a very interesting shows. So that is 1052 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,000 coming up on the fourteenth of this month. And don't 1053 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,719 forget for those people going out to contact in the desert, 1054 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,039 please look me up. We can have a little get 1055 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:18,559 together coffee or whatever. Be nice to meet listeners in person. 1056 00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:21,599 It always is, so thank you all, and remember to 1057 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:23,039 keep your eyes to the sky.