Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willish, host
and I've got two guests tonight, a husband and wife team,
John and e J Craig, and they have the UFO Detection.
They're in Colorado. The grassroots thing. I like to see
these things get out there where people can participate and
actually help with the data and stuff like that. So
we'll be talking to them. Just a couple of things
going on this week. It's the first Thursday of the month,
so UFO Jack and I will be back with UFO
Headlines at eight o'clock on Thursday, that's Eastern time. And
then after that, Bagna Canor is going to be on
the Deep Force is the name of her. Research she's
doing has to do with the Internet and how it
can be a connection to a lot of things that
AI is control. It's very interesting. Dean Aliotto, who does
some work and research in that filmmaker and fun friend
of mine, will be joining me as a co host.
So that's on Thursday night. And our blog this week
by Charles Lear is Ted Bloacher's talk on humanoids at
the nineteen seventy six before a conference. As if you've
read a lot of Charles Lear's blogs. He really goes
into what he calls the Flying Saucer Investigators and does
a really nice job on researching all these Now Charles
has been doing blogs now think about six years or
something like that. Every week he turns out some beautiful work.
And Andy also has some books available on Amazon, and
so check them out when you can. So I'm going
to be attending the contact in the Desert, as I've
mentioned a number of times. I'm really looking forward to
that that's coming up, and I think about three and
a half weeks something like that. So I wanted to
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over there. There's Paul, Yvonne, Mary Grace. Good to see you,
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if some people like to read through the chat, and
at least so they tell me that anyway, So without
further ado, I'm bringing in our guests. EJ Welcome, John welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So John and I have something common. We're both fighting
a cough. So you may see us, you may see
us mute our microphones, but good to have you both
on and we were talking earlier. I lived for three
years out your way, and it was a beautiful territory
out there, beautiful, big open skies and a lot of UFOs,
but I never saw any when I was there.
Speaker 3: Come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you both natives native Colorade I.
Speaker 2: Am, and I think you were born here right. Yeah.
We both moved around the country a lot, all over
the country over the years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I just right off the bat, did you?
Let's talk about your backgrounds first, and then I want
to ask you how you got into the topic. Starting
with you, what's your background?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a daughter of an aerospace engineer and he
had us looking up at the skies.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 4: When I went away to college and chose my career,
I ended up in programming and with a heavy math emphasis.
Speaker 3: I have a math degree and not a computer degree.
Speaker 4: That just makes me a problem solver and somebody that
looks at systems and sets and things like that. I
look at data completely different than most people do. Or
I'm always.
Speaker 3: Looking at data.
Speaker 4: This is nothing but the same kind of exercise, just
all about UFOs.
Speaker 3: The data is going to bring to disclosure.
Speaker 1: That's great. I love to hear how backgrounds. Some people
think my background's interesting as an appraiser of an appraiser
of fine art and untique, someone that inspects things all
the time and tries. I'm always looking guilty to proven
innocent is our theme, because anything that's valuable is fated,
especially when it comes to artwork. There's forgeries all over
the place. Documents are forged and everything, so to have
a discerning eye. Some people believe that it's good that
I'm in this community. I don't know. I'm not really
a researcher. I'm just a podcast host, but I kind
of call things out when I think there's something going on,
and sometimes it gets me in trouble. But anyway, John,
what's your background?
Speaker 2: Well, I started off witnessing UFOs when I was very
young high school. I saw something that flew across the
stay I made you turn, and that really got me
thinking about just what the heck is that and how
high was it? And then later on I get into
technical stuff. It dozen books for Microsoft Press and O'reightley
programming books, and then I have electronics background also, so
the combination of those skills with EJ's math skills and
her publishing skills. We've had a lot of fining the
last few years. My first wife passed away in two
thousand and five, but I was working for EJ's dad,
so I kind of married the boss's daughter after.
Speaker 1: A little bit smooth move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, work has worked really good.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. That's good. Wow. So what about you, EJ?
Did you have any interest he had John ed sighting
young Did you have any sightings or any type of
interest beyond aerospace?
Speaker 4: I had not of UFOs, but the paranormal did to
visit my house quite a bit. I think we had
a haunted house when I was a child, and I
wrote a book about angels because I had a very
interesting experience when I was pregnant with my third child.
I say that was based on a true story of
books called Angel on Board. But UFOs I saw something
that was really interesting in the mid eighties. I dismissed
it as man made until I became involved with John
and he goes, say, you ever see anything? And I
described to him the one thing that I had seen,
and he's no, that was a UFO. We have finally
figured out what that was. But yeah, I had one
dramatic experience before John and I got together, and then
the rest of them have been interesting experience that we've
shared together.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times you hear people like mathematicians.
I talked in depth with one that was a professor,
and I was very surprised that with kind of associate
math and science as one in some type of way,
because everything can be mathematical in a way or another.
But she was like totally into the idea that we
could be being visited by extraterrestrials. And it shocked me
at first, but I guess if you're looking at things mathematically,
it would be I think impossible that we're alone.
Speaker 3: Yes, And if you go to the Drake equation or whatever.
Speaker 4: John's actually got a tool on our tools dot ufo
track dot com where you can plug in the current
estimated number of planets and get a visual for how
many planets it would actually have habitable life based on
there based on there at current estimates.
Speaker 3: If you scroll down just a little bit and go
down to tools.
Speaker 2: It's really mind boggling.
Speaker 3: Got right there, investigator toolkit. Click on that.
Speaker 4: And that I'll go to tools dot ufo track dot
com and if you scroll down just a little bit
more on that you'll see. I believe it's a man
standing next to it, stack of pennies.
Speaker 2: Let's see. I think it's on down a little bit.
It's really mind boggling because this twenty I.
Speaker 4: Think you pass it. I think it's called planet predictor.
Stay a little bit further down. But anyways, it's called
planet predictor. And it is mathematically staggering to think that
we are alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you put in the it's defaults to
the numbers, the best numbers from NASA and other sources.
For the number there is the number of planets around
US stars. There's only one on the average, one planet
around each star, but the number of stars in the galaxy,
the number of galaxies. Take all these parameters in the
best estimates they have right now, and then the percentage
that would be in a habitable zone where liquid water
can exist, and you so you get a total number
of habitable zone planets that are predicted to be out
there with the best known parameters they have. And then
if you equate each one of those, this is a
huge number. If you equate each of those with a
US penny, and you start stacking them in rows and
columns and then layer, layer an area, and then we'll
stack it up high. You can you actually have to
cover the whole cotton metal United States to six miles deep.
That's the numbers to equivalence with the number of habitable
zone planets they're predicting. So if we're the only life
out there that scares the heck out of me, actually.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, yeah, yeah, that's really something when you think
about things like that, when you hear the basically all
the stards that we think are out there, all the
grains of sand on all the beaches and all over
the world equal that type of thing. When you to
touch the sand, you look at your finger with all
the grains of sand. That's hard to imagine. And these
numbers are so hard to visualize in your head. And
I know that the human brain can comfortably look at
maybe a thousand things and figure that out, but when
the numbers get higher, it's more and more difficult. And
I know I've said this on the show a few
times because when you use the word brillion, it just
sounds like another number multiples of billion. But if you
were to count to a trillion, and you started right now,
day and night and counting as a human being, you'd
have to live thirty thousand years. Wow, that's how big
a trillion is.
Speaker 2: Big numbers are weird in that sense, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and thet our universe and all that. Just from
what we know, it's such a puzzling thing. I've asked
astrophysicists on the show before, what's the end of space
look like? Does it have an end? And they try
to explain us, like a balloon like it doesn't you
go around it? If you're going around a balloon, it's
I don't think. The bottom line is no one really knows.
That's really the bottom line. And I feel the same
way with UFOs. I feel like no one. I don't
think anyone really knows exactly what they are.
Speaker 4: I think that some people have a picture or their experience,
but there could be so many different kinds of experiences,
but there's just not one one truth. I think that
there are many civilizations coming to visit, as many types
of entities and even many types of forms of that
from physical to plasma to say interdimensional. Who knows, We don't.
That's why we're researching it. And there's an old saying,
always be in search of the truth, but run like
hell from someone who found it, because now they'll just
be preaching that there're one small truth when there's still
so much to research.
Speaker 2: My own personal opinion is that with all those habitable
zone planets, there's probably lots and lots of civilizations that
just randomly come and explore the Earth. So that's why
we see so many different types of species, but the
universe so that we could have a lot of other variations,
like EJ said, plasma or consciousness. It is possible, so
we just need to put an open mind on it all.
Speaker 1: And the skeptics always have the same argument, and that
is that the distances are too far, and the distances
are just we're talking about numbers. It's just crazy how
far away the nearest star is. But our little brains
maybe can't figure out something in physics that a higher
intelligence can.
Speaker 4: They're putting our limitations on entities that may not be
limited the way that we are.
Speaker 2: And that Albert Carrie drive that they're talking about their
own potentially ways we can get around it. But put
it this way, if even one civilization out there amongst
all those has figured it out, then there's probably lots
and lots of them that have also shouldn't be just
one of anything, because with the vast numbers involved.
Speaker 1: And the argument to the question I've asked asketrophysicists, Okay,
so why the blue marble? Why would they come see us?
So what makes us so special? And he said, they
always said, we are actually pretty special. We're teaming with
all types of millions of species. And it's I think
that if we had the capability of traveling and we
spotted something like any habitable planet, we would want to
go visit. I would think if we had that capability curiosity,
we would definitely explore. We're trying to do that now
and places we know are have it to just to
put our feet on the ground in different places. I'm
excited about the Moon. In a few years, it looks
like we'll be on the moon again, and Mars. I
don't know if that will ever happen and when will happen.
We have to have a lot of safeguards before we
do something like that. And whoever goes is on a
one way trip.
Speaker 4: And I know it, and that's you know, yeah, that's
the adventurous spirit. And when people went out west, they
knew it was a one way trip humans.
Speaker 2: For your design, humans are designed to explore, and that
we're the only species that's designed that way, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I never really thought of it
like that, So I guess I'm going to ask you,
so what led you from being observers to actually wanting
to build some technology around it.
Speaker 2: I've been a move ON member off and on for years,
and I've just noticed that we're getting just for eight
decades now, we've been promised disclosure by the government and
it just hasn't happened. And I'm not sure how. I
don't think it's going to happen again here in the
near future. We're getting closer and we are getting more information,
but I think we almost have to do it ourselves.
And one of the things I've noticed is that all
these organizations that collect information about UFO sightings, they tend
to just archive the data away. We just haven't made
any progress. So we came up with the concept of
real time information that goes beyond just collecting information to study,
which is really a good thing to do. Move On
and all these organizations, it's great that they're doing that,
but we've come up with something kind of new We
want to have a real time alert system that people
anybody can join and anybody can report and anybody can
get alerts. If you're within fifty miles of an alert,
you will get an alert on your phone as a member,
and you can instantly go outside with your phone and
camera and add to the witness count and maybe get
camera views. Because going back to the math thing, we
have a system of being able to take if you
can get two camera views on an object with some
separation and background information trees and buildings, whatever, we can
do the math to determine distance, size, velocity, acceleration, things
that other collecting other organizations collecting data. It's really hard
to get that particular part of the data. They want
pictures that are really good, high quality pictures. That's cool,
But we want pictures with the dott A light in
it from two different angles so we can do the
calculations for distance and altitude, which then leads up to
the no flies on. I want to talk about that
ej No.
Speaker 4: I wanted to go back to his question about what
brought us to this. That is, as John was explaining
these things and we go to move on and various
other things that we have done through the years, we
kept coming back to why is their giggle factor?
Speaker 3: And how could we prove this? What would it take
to actually prove this?
Speaker 4: And so our take is that we needed multiple witnesses,
we needed multiple pieces of equipment reporting on the same thing,
and the only way to do that is to get
people out in real time looking at the same thing
at the same time.
Speaker 3: And so what that took.
Speaker 4: Is to create a network where people are instantly notified
if something happens, and we have created that. Now what
we need are the nodes on that network to get
people that say, hey, yeah, if that's out there, tell
me so that I can go out there and.
Speaker 3: Help collect data.
Speaker 4: Because everybody that's listening, I'm going to speak for you all.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but I think that you
all want disclosure as much as we do. So the
way that's going to happen is to get some incontrovertible evidence.
And the best way that we can do that is
with multiple witnesses on the same event, and with equipment,
with documents, with gathering data, and pretty soon it's we're
going to have science and math explain it all, or
at least that sighting, because, like I said, there's going
to be all sorts of stuff, but we're going to
get disclosure to the point that we know we're not
alone because we can prove that something's flying where it
shouldn't be flying, flying at speeds that we don't have
capabilities up, or just that it's exotic looking and we've
got photographs of it from different angles and that kind
of stuff at that level can't be faked.
Speaker 1: So how does someone get involved in the First thing
I know that people think of is I'd like to
do it, but I've got to pay the bills or whatever.
How much is this going to cost me? That's what
people are going to ask right off the bat.
Speaker 4: So if you go to UFO track dot com, ufohythentrack
dot com, that first thing there that says subscribe to
the only real time rapid response UFO alert service. It
is five dollars a month. We wanted to keep the
price low so that there was no resistance to the
price of entry, So five dollars a month, and then
if anything happens in your area within fifty miles, and
we could expand it if you're very rural, but within
fifty miles of your area. You'll get a text message
in real time saying somebody has reported or one of
our units has detected and anomaly in your area. So
it's five dollars a month. You can click through and
you can if you don't like memberships, you can pay
annually or lifetime, but it is just five dollars a month,
So we were trying to keep the cost of entry
as low as possible.
Speaker 3: It does cost us to send out those text messages.
Speaker 4: There is a cost related to that, so we can't
just do it for free, or we would, but we
do want to do five dollars a month too. To
get you in the network, you'll have to provide us
your longitude latitude so that we can and your phone
number of course, so that we can text you and
we can tell where you live.
Speaker 3: But that's all.
Speaker 4: That's the extent of saying, yeah, I'd like to do this.
But then if you do get notified that there's something
in your area, go out with your camera in hand
and take a picture. And then do the same thing,
which is the second thing on that list, which is
where to report a UFO And you go to report
dot UFO track dot com and you keep the chain
going that somebody notified you and you also saw it,
so you also report it. And these things are going
to populate on a real time map at sightings dot
ufotrack dot com. So we can see these things populate
in real time on a map. And if we can
get multiple people at that same event, maybe fifty miles
down and fifty miles down and fifty miles down, we
can watch a UFO just fly across our country real
time on a map.
Speaker 3: And to Don's point, a lot.
Speaker 4: Of organizations like this keep the data private or behind
a paywall. That sitings dot ufo trap dot com. Anybody
can go to, anybody can look at. It's just if
you want to report to it, you need to be
one of our members.
Speaker 2: And then also the report form is a really fast
little report form online. So it's intended for the real
time alert. But if we've also invented some devices. We've
got the UFO track I'm sorry, UFO Sense device that
automatically detects Earth's magnetic field shifts and the gravity shift
and it does the alert for you. So this is
twenty four to seven monitoring. It costs one hundred dollars.
If you don't wan to spend hundred dollars, just have
the report web page ready to report. But if we
get these sensors out there that can automate the process
a lot. And I keep going back to the Phoenix
lights event, which.
Speaker 1: Most Yeah, can you imagine if you had that? Yeah,
if there were fifties, that would be crazy. I was
thinking that. I was actually going to say.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it would have changed things a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the center. Someone's asking if this service uses radar,
but what are this? What type of sensors are they?
Speaker 2: Excuse me? The UFO sense has two sensors. One is
a compass a chip but all three axes. It detects
the Earth's magnetic field direction and strength, and if either
of those shift for more than two seconds, more than
just a tiny bit, that'll set off an alert. And
the other sensor is accelerometer, which we determine the direction
and amount of the gravity of the Earth. So as
long as your UFO sense is sitting quietly on a shelf,
it will detect if the Earth's gravity acceleration increases for
a solid two seconds or decreases for solid two seconds,
it'll set off an alert too. I don't know how
many UFOs will set that off, but there is there's
a lot of evidence about the electromagnetic compass kind of
spinning that happens all the time. We've got all kinds
of research showing that that is a viable thing to detect.
Speaker 4: Yes, as we said that, the detection will populate the
map and a personal report will populate the map, so
we can see these things happening in real time at
the same time. And the report at UFO track dot
com is very simple. It is your longitude and latitude,
your email, and the direction that the craft was flying,
and if you want to say what kind of craft
it is or any other details, you can do that,
but it's a thirty second thing to enter, so that
you can actually do it while you're watching the thing.
If you can't, or that's why we're trying to get
this the longest or the quickest data into the system
at all, then it will trigger an email back to
you that says if do you want to fill in
the blanks, do you want to say anything else, or
do you want to attach some art, do you have
a sure or a video? And we've had people respond
right back with photos that they'd seen in the sky.
It's really exciting how fast this stuff comes in. Then
I take those photos and I have to manually do this,
so it's not exactly real time, but it's as near
real time as I can make it.
Speaker 3: But I take those photos and I.
Speaker 4: Attach them to the little map icons so that within minutes,
somebody in Pennsylvania can see something that somebody in California
also saw. So it's the real time aspect of sharing
this data with everybody.
Speaker 3: Everybody can play because this affects everybody.
Speaker 4: A private thing or should it be behind a big
paywall that you can't get in mofon. You can't get
into Moofon's data and look at it as a whole set.
Speaker 3: This you can look.
Speaker 4: At it as it goes back to my background as
a data set. You can see how many they're color coded.
You can see how many are magnetic, how many are gravitic,
how many are public people just reporting UFOs, And you
can see how many people are members reporting UFOs. You
can see how many we'd be bumped. You can see
how many are still just need to be investigated.
Speaker 2: And for good sightings, when something really significant happens, we
strongly suggest to the witness that they go ahead and
final a report with move on so that the slower
after the fact in depth analysis can be done. We're
more about the real time. They're more about after that
really good analysis, after the fact that both purposes serve
really good goals.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a little bit of a
turn here because Mary Grace has been listening to me
for a very long time and a really good person,
and she has a question going back to you, EJ.
And it's do you have an explanation for the paranormal
activity in your home growing up? How is it related
to you? Aps and a dimensional with a question mark.
She also grew up in an active house.
Speaker 4: My house was in Pennsylvania, outside of Filadelphia and actually
very near to Valley Forge Park.
Speaker 1: Why are they always in Pennsylvania. I always hear about
activity like this in Pennsylvania. It's so weird.
Speaker 3: So it was. We lived in a place called king
of Prussia. Apparently there was a big mall there. It
wasn't there when I was a kid, but.
Speaker 4: What it was, we didn't talk about it when we
lived there, and I was the ages four to eight,
so we didn't talk about it while we lived there.
But years later, as teens and adults, my siblings and
parents compared notes and we all had seen the same thing,
which basically was just a very mean old man who
would basically attack us. My sister and I lived in
the same room, and she swears he would just sit
on her till she couldn't breathe. And I was between
the ages of four and eight, and I could tell
you that I was petrified of going into basements for
fear of seeing one very specif thing that my active
memory says I'd never seen. But anybody that knows that
kind of behavior, that's the blocking of a memory. And
I went through hypnosis Slater in life, and I don't
know's it was. What I saw that there was just
an old man that apparently did not like girls and
had a gun across his lap and blocked our door
from getting out. So but the thing is that I
knew that I could walk anywhere in my house, and
I had when I was age four to aj eight,
and then any other house that I lived in, I
would walk around at night with my eyes closed. I
knew the house like I was a blind person because
I didn't want to open my eyes in the dark.
Speaker 3: I was so petrified at that.
Speaker 4: So but what does it have with UFOs? Probably nothing
except that you Everything is probably all related. The ghosts
might be more interdimensional.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have all those answers. I
just know that we lived in a very scary house
when I was a child. It lasted with me all
my life.
Speaker 1: Okay, since we've taken this little turn, I'm going to
I'm going to fill in an experience. I've told my
Poltry Ice experience that I had on this show a
few times that I thought I'd never tell anyone, But
I have to tell a family house. My father actually
bought it after I had moved out of the house.
But he bought this property and it was part of
a very historic home. It was in Kittery, Maine, and
it was right onto the Busy Root one and at
one time there was an Indian attack there and the
children were killed and the woman was taken away. She escaped.
In the historic records and everything, So he owned the house.
And I've never heard him talk about anything in particular.
But my sister was recovering from surgery and I was
talking to her on the phone. She was staying there
in the house and my father was off doing something.
She said, this place is haunted. And I said, what
are you talking about. She says, yes, this is there's
a little girl walking in a white dress. I see her,
she's transparent, and then she's gone. And and so I
had stayed there, I don't know the year before, watching
my father's dog, and a hook kept hooking on the
other side of the door for me to come downstairs,
and I'd have to go all the way around and
go the other stairway to get down, and it was
a hass. But I couldn't understand why that was happening.
That was my only experience. So I guess my father
got home and my sister saying, this place is haunted.
My father says, I know it's a little girl stuck
on schnuck gonna bother you. Let's to know, my father,
That's what I could hear him say it. So this
is the crazy part of the story. That's crazy enough.
Crazy part of the story is they put in these
outlet malls here, kitty outlet malls, and they kept my
father's barn, and they turned into the gap and they
took the house and they moved it about a mile
up the street, up on the left and a patch
of land. So I'm driving by there one day and
I see someone open an antique shop and it was
funny because my father had an antique shop, and so
I pulled in. I started talking to the guy, said
you know there was an anti shop when this house
was down the road, and he said no, he had
no idea in all this, And so I got up
the courage and I asked him, I said, does anybody
ever talk about anything weird in this place? And he
looks at me, he goes, do you mean the little
girl in the white dress? And I said what and
he says, yeah. My daughter was talking in the other
room and I went in and she said there was
a little girl in the white dress. And he goes,
go ask the accountants in the front. They see her
all the time. And I went in and sure enough,
so she stayed in the house when they moved it.
All right, we got to get back to UFOs. Thank
you all for hi. Yeah, a little sideline, but I
got to tell you. I had a friend that he
believed that all of it was related from you name it,
from Bigfoot to ghosts to UFOs who everything he thought
in his mind. His name was Paul Eno. He's a
longtime radio host and did paranormal and in his mind
he thought everything was inter dimensional. That was just the
way he felt, and he witnessed some crazy stuff in
his life. I don't know. I think that is definitely
an answer for some of it, but I don't believe
it's all of it.
Speaker 2: All of it. Not to keep an open mind, but
anything is possible. Yeah, I've got a ghost story too,
but I don't want to go there right now. It
takes too long.
Speaker 1: Next time.
Speaker 4: Some of our ghost stories are in a book called
Angel on.
Speaker 3: Board Real Life Stories.
Speaker 4: Because my Angel on Board was based on my experience
being pregnant with my son. But I wrote the ending
I wish the way it would have happened. But when
I say it was based on a real story, people go, Okay,
well it's the real story. So we did write up that,
and we have some interesting stories in there, including one
where somebody on the other side saved John's life.
Speaker 2: Yes, so my previous quest my life, and yeah, it's
in the book, so it's a good story.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Getting back to your UFO detection, Is there some
way that can help reduce you mentioned what you said,
you may be able to debunk I know what you're
trying to say, you can explain what they are. Do
you think what you're doing will help actually reduce some
of the misidentifications potentially.
Speaker 2: You know, the more people are conscious and aware of
the whole subject and what it could be. People see
starlink and at first they were really confused, they thought
they were UFOs, but now these more, yeah, we're aware
of starlinks, and so the more people are aware of
what's going on and how to explain things, that helps
filter out the stuff we don't really need to worry about.
But it does leave there is a real core of
sightings and events that are not starlink and go way
beyond this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have tools at tools dot ufo track dot
com that we showed a little bit ago and they're
intended Another part of ship is that will teach you
how to use those tools, but they're intended to help
you debunk your own sightings or whatever. But what we
want is that to go to report dot ufo track
dot com. If you don't know what you're seeing, let's
get a lot of eyeballs on it. So if you
don't know, don't second guess yourself and say, oh, it's
probably something prosaic. If you don't know what it is,
report it. Let's get somebody else to look at it too.
And if it is prosaic, so what, we've been fooled
so often. I just some prosaic stuff. We had one
night we thought it was the greatest thing in the
world because we saw fifty lights up in the sky
just dancing all around the stars. And we found out
that somebody had just renewed their vows and let go
fifty led balloons. But boy, until we found that out,
we thought we had the best sighting of the planet.
Speaker 2: So I ran around like.
Speaker 4: A fool, going everybody, look up a dungeon of constellations. Everybody,
do this, take your cameras out. But then, you know,
we got disappointed because it had a explanation. But what
if it didn't, we'd have had the greatest, the greatest
sighting in the world because we had fifty lights all
dancing around. Anyways, it is just if you don't know
what it is, report it. And if we debunk it,
so what don't that personally? Oh my god, I did
something wrong. He didn't you asked a question and you
got an answer, and that's solid because when we can't
get an answer, you'll know that we have done our
due diligence to try to truly figure it out. And
if there's something left unexplained, then that's the truly identified.
Speaker 2: Along the same lines, a lot of times people will
see something and they'll hesitate to start filming it because
it'll be gone in a minute, or I don't know
what it is. Yeah, pull your camera out and start recording,
because it's just batter that can That's the kind of
thing we need to do, is just go ahead and report,
go ahead and try to fill them whatever it is.
If it's something prosaic, and that's okay. If it isn't,
then you've got some better days.
Speaker 1: I filmed a couple of things that I thought at
the time. I actually have them where I can actually
show them. But at the time I thought I was
seeing UFO and one of them marked Antonio, who's a
friend of the show, thinks it most likely was a drone.
But I went over to where it should have land
landed and there was I didn't see anything. Anyway, I
might as well play it. It's one minute long. I've
said a few times on this and I think I
keep repeating that there's a light flashing on the camera
or something silly. But anyway, here we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. I would I could see where Mark
would say that could be a drone because it did
behave like it, but it might not be. And that's
exactly a good case where if we had two cameras,
then we determined that it was two hundred feet away, yes,
probably drone, But if it was two miles away zipping
real fast, that would open the door to a lot
more investigation on it.
Speaker 3: We could have it for speed.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that was twenty twenty one. I thought
that was like two years ago. That thing. That wind
was blowing so hard that night. I just couldn't imagine
where anyone would be flying a drone.
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to fly in the wind up to
certain amounts. That's another one of John's tools is that
we can get for any date and time what the
wind speed is at various altitudes, so they able to
active tools dot ufo track dot com. We ended up
debunking one of our own that we thought was pretty
good with that tool, but that was really good. And
I want to tell you that you did a good
job filming that, keeping it in focus and the background
where we could see what was going on, to give
it a point of reference, to be able to see
how fast it was going.
Speaker 3: If it was just a light in the sky, we
wouldn't off you're moving or if it's coming. So you
did a good job filming that, and sure it's worked.
Speaker 4: Further investigation that would be that'd be really cool to
have that give me the date and the time and
the longitude and latitude, and I can put that up
on our.
Speaker 3: Cases, which is study it further.
Speaker 1: If you want to, oh, still, how far back you go?
You go back?
Speaker 4: I go back because of the electromagnetic studies that we've
been doing.
Speaker 3: I've been going back even as far as some of
the blue book.
Speaker 4: Cases, because in using his tools, we can add more
data to some of the blue book cases and either
tell them that they simarily dismiss something that wasn't the
right answer and revive it or validate it. But if
you want to do that, there's another website to get
us just for the members that It's called cases ufl
trap dot com.
Speaker 3: And again it'll just be a data set.
Speaker 4: People can download the data from there and they can
look at the videos that go along with it, as
long as you give me the permission to put it
up there and let other people do that. But yeah,
it's I would look into that a little further. There
is a good chance it was a drone. But that
behaved pretty crazy. And if we add to it the
wind data that we know from the weather, we can
talk about how drones aren't supposed to fly above twenty
miles an hour because they become hard to control, and
drones aren't supposed to fly at night, hi, and especially
in twenty twenty one, you have to have a special
license for a flying drones at night. And if we
could triangulate it that was above the four hundred feet,
we could tell you that that's not an amateur drone anyways,
if it was a drone.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be posting up a couple of questions
soon here, so if anyone wants to see a couple
questions in there, if you'd like to ask our guests
this evening some questions, please put them in all caps
and I'll get to you. But since we are on
the topic of drones, I remember back right around twenty
twenty or twenty twenty one, somewhere around there, there was
a major drone issue in Colorado, and I was following
that pretty closely at the time, And so that is
something that we all have to deal with when we're
trying to look into this topic and trying to see
what's a real UFO or not. And I still think
the whole drone situation that happened more recently is a mystery.
Some are saying that it's one branch of the government
testing another branch of the government on another branch of
the government, like for instance, maybe the Army testing with
an incursion on an air Force base. I don't understand
what the purpose exactly would be of that unless they're
trying to see everything get away. If they have the
technology to get away with something on enemy territory and
that's the only way they can test it for real,
I don't know. But anyway, we're all dealing with drones.
I remember when people started doing the Chinese landyards, and
that was another thing because the first time I saw
a bunch of them, I thought for sure I was
looking at something extraterrestrial, and starlink I saw personally myself,
which was amazing. It was awesome to see.
Speaker 4: I wish we'd have had UFO truck when those drones
dreams in Nebraska or Colorado, because somebody would have gone
out reported and everybody within fifty miles would have gotten
their cameras out, and everybody would have taken pictures of
the same set of drones from different locations, and we
could have at least gotten altitude, the size, and speed.
We'd have been able to get more data than just
the things that the news reported. And the same with
the stuff that was recently on the East coast if
we'd had UFO track then, because it's only been live
since November. So getting in on the ground floor. If
you guys join, anybody sees something like that, report it,
let's get other cameras up there and then funnel them
to a commonplace where we can do the math on it,
and then we'll publish it and we'll know at least
if there's pros eight options or if.
Speaker 3: These things are pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 4: And John alluded to a thing called the no fly zone,
which we'll talk about quick. But there are places in
the sky that things if they're flying my definition, they're exotic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of our project. Is airplanes
and balloons and anything that's air breathing cannot go above
about twenty miles high. The only thing you can go up
higher that is a rocket or rocks coming down from space.
And anything that's in orbit can't come down below about
one hundred miles up real quickly deorbit because of slight
hair drag. So there's a zone from twenty miles to
a hundred miles we call the no fly zone. If
we can catch something at that altitude, if we see
the satellite going across the sky steadily and we can
do the triangulation and find out if it's only sixty
miles up above the Earth, then that's not a satellite.
That's something exotic. We don't know what it is, but
at least we can it begs explanation, begs research into
figuring out what it was, So that no fly zone
is an important part of what our goals are is
to catch stuff in the no fly zone. And those
drones and even the one US just filmed, if that
was it's thirty miles away, it would be really zipping.
That would be a lot different than it's two hundred
feet away in a small drone. And that's the thing
we can do. We can with two cameras, we can
start to catch the distance and speed and size and
elevation and that can be very important data.
Speaker 1: Now, if have you ever considered creating an app, and
for one purpose I can think of right off the
bat is for you to be able to have your
location tracked. In other words, here I am at this
longitude latitude. This is where I live, but I travel
a lot. I'm all over the place. And if I'm
up in New Hampshire, for instance, where I spend the summers,
if I have my phone on me and your app
tracked while you're at that location, so I'm going to
be sending out the UFO that's at that location. Or
can a person have multiple locations that they want to
be tracking to see because they have two homes or something?
Speaker 4: Okay, report dot ufo track dot com. You enter in
your longitude and latitude where you are, so wherever you are,
it'll be so as long as you update the longitude latitude,
you're going to be fine.
Speaker 3: And that's a web app.
Speaker 4: It's it's you get to it by going to a website.
But it is an app that runs on your phone.
The only thing that isn't like that is the UFO
Sense device that John's about to pull up, because that
has to stay stationary in a private location. You have
to set it up to hook into the Wi Fi
at that location so that with a detext it can
attach to the Wi Fi and send out all those
text messages to yourself and everybody within fifty miles.
Speaker 3: So that has to be stationary.
Speaker 2: But I am working on what we're calling Ufo Detect.
It's almost ready to be sold, but I'm still working
on it. And it is a portable battery pard version
of this, but it require you. You can take it
with you camping or on trips, but if it goes off,
it'll just beep. It won't actually connect and send the
report for you. You'd have to go to the report
site that EJ just mentioned and put in the data
real quick there. But that does make it more portable.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm just trying to get this right. So
if I put in my information where I live in
South Carolina and someone else is out in their yard
or whatever and they see something and they report something,
I'm going to get a text right.
Speaker 2: As long as I'm fifty miles of that person.
Speaker 3: Is okay.
Speaker 4: One thing, your membership is going to be tied to
one location. If you move, you can send me the
new location where you want your membership tied, so the
membership will be You're going to tell me where you
live or what something nearby you like an intersection or something.
Speaker 3: I'll pin it to that to keep.
Speaker 4: Your information anonymous. Still, we do everything in our world
to protect our members anonymity. But if you do move
and you want notifications in your new location, just shoot
me an email at admin at UFO track dot com
with your new longitude, latitude or a worst case we
can put in two entries for you and you'll get both.
Speaker 1: You know I would. Yeah, it would take quite a
bit of technology to change it to popping up.
Speaker 3: It's it's not going to track you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So I'm going to start posting a couple
of questions regarding getting very near the end of the show.
Is this system up and running you said since last November?
Are there any published results?
Speaker 4: Yes, We've had about seventy detections and investigations and reports,
so yeah, they're there, and you can see if you
click on the icon on the map, which is at
sightings dot ufo track dot com and anybody can get there.
So go to sightings dot Ufo hyphen track dot com.
You'll enter your email, we'll send you a validation and
be able to get into the map at that point.
But you can click it and if there is an
attached video or an attached report or attached photo, you'll
be able to see that. So yeah, you'll be able
to see.
Speaker 3: How many are there, and we are worldwide.
Speaker 4: We've got people in Australia and many in Europe, in Canada.
So yes, it has been up and we have had
some interesting reports.
Speaker 2: Most of them are fairly explainable or not that grand
of a report, but we've had two or three that
have been or several actually more than that been. More
than that one. Yeah, I'd like to tell the one.
A couple were with the UFO Sense at their house.
Automatically detected had sent them an alert to their phone,
but they were in their car about four miles away
from home, headed towards home, and at the same time
the alert came in on their phone. They looked uphere
there's a white objects coming down in the sky. Towards
where their house was over the hill they lived out
in the country, and the correlation between the alert going
off and the thing in the sky just I like
that that particular sighting was really good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. But here's another question
from this to say, regular listener, apology for missing the
first part, but have you been at this long enough
to find white corridors across the USA? I think there's
one south to north from Texas to the Great Lake
and others.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing to shoot towards. We really haven't
been doing this long enough to get that kind of
data yet, but that's what that's the kind of thing
we're shooting for.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to We had several of our
initial members live in Colorado, so there are more reports
in Colorado, but that's just because there's been more members
in Colorado initially. You will see on sightings dot ufo
track dot com that some of the little UFOs on
the map are very bright and some are faded into
the background. Basically I aged them out and they get
fainter and fainter, but they'll all stay there so that
all the reports will be there forever.
Speaker 3: But you want to look for the ones to see
the more recent ones.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Okay, So what's the biggest event
recorded and average amount of reports per day or week
or how does that work.
Speaker 4: We've had about We've had one day where we had
about three reports in the same day from distinct locations.
For the most part, it's three a week generally, But
as soon as we get more out there. At the
moment we have seventy out in the field, we want
five thousand. So again it's this is the ground floor opportunity.
As we get five thousand out there, we're going to
have one hundred more times what we've got. But they
are out there, they are reporting, they are corroborating with
other data. We had a gravitic alert that was confirmed
by reportedly nora AD, So there was two devices that
went off reasonably simultaneously, and then somebody showed a picture later. Again,
we couldn't tie them all together because they came from
such distinct sources, but they were all in the same
general time frame in place. But that's why we need
people looking at it at the real time at the
same time, so that we can collect that data from
distinct locations that's the goal, and it just we have
the technology, it is up, it is running. We need
the members so that we can cover the country and
soon the world, and that's what we're here for. So
go to our UFO track dot com. Become a member
whoever you want to, but get out there and play
with us, and be willing to get notified that there's
something in your area, go outside with a camera looking
up and report in what.
Speaker 1: I can't think of any reason not to join, so
I'm going to Okay, this is Shelley has talked about
this a few times on this show, and what advice
would you give her? She says, I can't get an
answer of a white object that just fell out of
this sky. This is a UFO citing that she had.
Would you say to her what she really needs a
lot of specifics to the location, the date, time, all
that right, and I do need.
Speaker 4: The longitude, latitude time as close as you can get it.
Speaker 3: And then we can.
Speaker 4: Look at various terrestrial explanations. Was there a meteor, was
there satellite? Was it space junk? Things that are actually
recorded in the out there on the internet, and we
can correlate that and see if there's anything dramatic, but
I would like to see, Uh, do you have a picture?
Speaker 3: Probably not if it just has video.
Speaker 1: Actually, she just send that again.
Speaker 3: My email is admin at UFO track dot com.
Speaker 4: If you send the original we should be able to
get day and time and longitude latitude off of the film.
So don't send anything. That's the other thing. Send an
original film so that we can go look at the
metadata and have that correlate to where you say you
took it and when you said you took it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that's really important is maybe we'll
find some other sighting that correlates with it. That's the
more we get again, that's important.
Speaker 4: It so you can look at new fork or move
on and see if they've got anything else. At the
same time, so people are manually doing it, we just
want to automate the process and get everybody to do.
Speaker 1: It all right, So for everyone listening or watching, the
information will be below. In the final edited version of this,
all the information should be easy to get to. Hey,
look who's here, Mendy. How are you glad you made
it here? Right at the very end. That's too bad.
So one of the last questions I had for you
is how would you compare to Enigma Labs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's several other country companies that are making an
equipment that in general is collecting the data, not so
much real time to collect at real time, but then
it just goes and gets recorded and then the analysis
can happen. And that is great. I like that. But
we're we're all about the real time alerting. I don't
know if anybody any other equipment that sends alerts to other
people within a fifty mile radius. Concept we've got going here.
Speaker 3: For the real time alerting or connects and network together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're lobbying for people to just go outside and
look when we see something or here's something in that area.
Go out and look, and your chances of seeing a
UFO go up dramatically if something's in your area. But
our report form will tell us that it's a triangle,
or it's a set of lights, or it's whatever. But
it'll tell you what to look for, and it'll tell
you the direction to look for it, so you'll have
a good shot at catching something if we can alert
people in real time. There's no guarantees, of course, this
is all a grand experiment, but even in our early
first six months, we've had corroborating data, we've had great art,
we've had really interesting reports, and not all of them
were something, but maybe ten percent were. And that's a
ten percent. We really like to focus on and study
further better.
Speaker 2: Something today than just hearing about it tomorrow.
Speaker 4: So agree, we're like first responders versus the other people
they just report. They're like Triage, were the first responders,
getting the data and getting getting people out there to help.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, it's better than doing nothing. And I say
that because, like I remember, I was picking on the
idea of SETI, but it's they're better because the radio
frequencies and things like that. But hey, they're at least
they're trying. I've always thought it was foolish that there
was so much money spent for that when all these
people are seeing things here and there's no money spent
on that. I'm glad you're doing what you're doing, and
I thank you both. It was a pleasure to have
you on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's so great to be here and it's great to
talk to everybody.
Speaker 4: I love taking the questions, So thank you, thank you everybody.
Speaker 1: With that, all right, okay, good night, so thank you
all for being here. And as I always say, keep
your eyes to this guy. Here's a good reason when
you hear exactly what they're doing. So again, we have
this week coming up Thursday night at a PM. We
have our once a month, first Thursday of the month
UFO headlines, so stay tuned for that. UFO Jack's going
to be there. Hopefully I'm gonna have a surprise guest
pop in. I don't know if that's going to happen.
I'm going to try. And then after that at nine
pm Eastern. Also is Bagna knyor on basically AI and
the Internet and just where we're heading. So it's a
little different than a regular new UFO show, which I post.
Type of shows I always do run on a Thursday,
and coming up on the fourteenth of this month on Thursday,
I have someone that is very well known for NDAs
near death experiences and her name is pmh Atwater. She
is I think she's eighty some odd years old. It's
going to be a very interesting shows. So that is
coming up on the fourteenth of this month. And don't
forget for those people going out to contact in the desert,
please look me up. We can have a little get
together coffee or whatever. Be nice to meet listeners in person.
It always is, so thank you all, and remember to
keep your eyes to the sky.