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<v Speaker 1>You got to win their votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Plain weird America. First, we call it news.

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<v Speaker 3>Staying updated on the election. Fifty five krs the talk station.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I have eight oh five here at fifty about

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<v Speaker 3>KRCD Talk Station. Are very happy Friday to you. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I wish it was unnecessary to have our next guest

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<v Speaker 3>on Tim Rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Great guy. He's a retired IT engineer, Fortune one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>executive and writer. In twenty twenty one and began writing

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<v Speaker 2>letters of support to the January sixth prisoners and documenting

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<v Speaker 2>their stories and their messages to to supporters and America.

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<v Speaker 2>And he, along with Mary Goodwin, J six's mother and activist,

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<v Speaker 2>created J six Patriot News, providing up the date information

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<v Speaker 2>about the state and mistreatment of the patriots and how

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<v Speaker 2>they can be helped. And he founded the American Gulog Chronicles.

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<v Speaker 2>And last time he was on the program January of

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<v Speaker 2>this year, we did talk about his book, The American

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<v Speaker 2>Gulog Chronicles, Letters from Prison, and today he joins the

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<v Speaker 2>program because sadly it was necessary to do a second book,

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<v Speaker 2>The American Gulog Chronicles. I'm sorry. The art of confinement.

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<v Speaker 2>I just look, I just my here we are. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm talking to Alexander Stolchinichen about the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union and the Gulag Archipelago that he wrote, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a comparable thing. Welcome back, Tim. I really

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<v Speaker 2>wish it wasn't necessary to have you on. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>another book, and there are still in prison and these

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<v Speaker 2>trials are still going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of a disturbing, I

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<v Speaker 1>would think to anybody who thinks that justice is available

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<v Speaker 1>to them. I mean, I just got off the phone

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday with one individual. He's a thirty year military veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>three times Bronze Star, green Beret, never had a traffic

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<v Speaker 1>ticket in his entire life. We're three years and nine

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<v Speaker 1>months coming without trial, sitting in Dallas Fort with prison.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things that I think Americans don't believe could

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<v Speaker 1>happen to them, can't believe it happened in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>That second book was necessary because this is a chronology,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a story that has unfortunately not ended. There

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a third book underway called Letters to Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump one hundred and twenty five Letters for Prisoners directly

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<v Speaker 1>to DJT. Everything from trying to explain to him what

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<v Speaker 1>happened and why they you know, why they are where

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<v Speaker 1>they're at, and to please for you know, please pardon us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think these are times that are disturbing to anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who has an expectation of some stability in the function

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<v Speaker 1>of justice and the function of law enforcement, in the

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<v Speaker 1>rights of citizens. It's a it's a very disturbing thing

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<v Speaker 1>to observe in a lifetime. I really wish I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, but I think that this is a time

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<v Speaker 1>when Americans are being called to duty. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>what your age is, I don't care where you've been

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, for what you've done. Your country needs

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<v Speaker 1>you now. We are really in serious trouble. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have children, I have grandchildren. I would hope that the

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<v Speaker 1>grandchildren would have grandchildren one day. I would like them

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<v Speaker 1>all to be free, all to be able to expect

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<v Speaker 1>equal justice, all to be able to have the rights

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<v Speaker 1>that our founding bothers gave us in blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, many in my listening audience share your arguments, your belief,

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<v Speaker 2>your perception of what January six was, which I routinely

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<v Speaker 2>refer to as what looks like and what God of

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<v Speaker 2>out of hand, drunken fraternity party, not something that truly

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<v Speaker 2>represented a threat to our democracy, but that they have

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<v Speaker 2>been so mistreated and over prosecuted, and you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's been spending that much time in prison has

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<v Speaker 2>yet to be even brought to court. Speak to the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners and explain to them, if you can, please speak

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<v Speaker 2>to those listeners who really think this is appropriate, that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a threat to democracy and somehow the January

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<v Speaker 2>sixth was, you know, the biggest threat that our nation

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<v Speaker 2>has ever seen. And there are people out there that

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<v Speaker 2>are die hard believers in that and think that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>should be locked up and throw have the key thrown away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been a very hard battle because the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna call them mainstream media, the fake

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<v Speaker 1>media has been working so hard to misrepresent what happened

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<v Speaker 1>and to present a biased political viewpoint of the current regime.

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<v Speaker 1>We have worked really hard. The reason the books came

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<v Speaker 1>out is because it wasn't enough to publish these things

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<v Speaker 1>on telegram and x. We weren't reaching the audience of

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<v Speaker 1>America that needed to hear the truth, so we put

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<v Speaker 1>the books out there. The books have done okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, it still wasn't enough. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other people who are labored in this field of ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>sorrow with me for three years. Mister Davidson raw from

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<v Speaker 1>Stop Paid and Camera Lee from actually from a number

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<v Speaker 1>of different things. More notably, she has been a filmmaker

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<v Speaker 1>and a publicist. And we formed a new company called

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<v Speaker 1>Unredacted Media just for this purpose to begin to go

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit further than the books to do film.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we just held our first film festival in Greenville,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas in the historic Texan Theater where Houdini and the

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<v Speaker 1>March Brothers and Kate Smith and names that you would

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<v Speaker 1>recognize and performed for over eighty years. And we put

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<v Speaker 1>together twelve incredible documentary films that tells this story and

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<v Speaker 1>not just about Januuary six, but we're going all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back to the pandemic and we're talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how did we arrive at the precipice which we stand upon.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've told it in twelve incredible documentary films. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost fourteen hours of video over three days, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost available for post production streaming. You can watch

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<v Speaker 1>all the films, you can watch all of the additional

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<v Speaker 1>data on them. And what we're doing is we're urging

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<v Speaker 1>people to hold watch parties because the folks who are listening,

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<v Speaker 1>who don't believe that if you watch these films, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not propaganda, literally, and some of them have almost no commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's video. It's raw, real video from that day and

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<v Speaker 1>from the other occurrences, and we just ask America to

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<v Speaker 1>watch and make up their own minds. We're not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to convince anybody of anything. What we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>is reveal truth. And so if you go to one

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<v Speaker 1>afilmfest dot com, you can get a ticket for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five bucks, twelve and a half hours of movie, over

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hours of other content, filmmaker interviews, just really trying

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal the truth of what has happened in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think this would be our last step, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we keep feeling this hand upon our shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>This says we have not done enough, because America is

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<v Speaker 1>still hurting. And so I guess we just keep fighting

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<v Speaker 1>until we either find the solution to bring us back

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<v Speaker 1>to some sanity, some reasonable expectation of the American values,

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<v Speaker 1>or we expire in the process. And I'm okay, either

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<v Speaker 1>way with it.

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<v Speaker 2>At your age, you know, maybe a little bit like

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<v Speaker 2>my mom who's eighty four and you know, thinks she's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna live long enough to see the collapse or say,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, the Social Security system. Maybe there's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of that going on in your mind there. She say,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll take what comes, but I don't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>that what comes like that, because like you, I have

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<v Speaker 2>children as well, and hope some day they have grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 2>My own Now does the money that you take and

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<v Speaker 2>it's oneafilmfest dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have that right? Yeah? She did the money

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<v Speaker 1>from all it took to I guess you know again.

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<v Speaker 1>We started this company because everything we've done has been nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>All of our workers are volunteers. Nobody gets paid for

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<v Speaker 1>what they've done. For almost four years now, all the

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<v Speaker 1>money from the books goes to a nonprofit that goes

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<v Speaker 1>right back into the January six support function. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you buy one of these books, you've joined my Gulag

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<v Speaker 1>army to help keep these men and women alive and

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<v Speaker 1>keep their families afloat. But more importantly, the money from

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<v Speaker 1>these movies is going right back into creating more films,

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<v Speaker 1>to giving January six prisoners who have been released and

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases are still in prison, the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>write books, to be involved in filmmaking, to tell this

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<v Speaker 1>story in a way that preserves it for the future,

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<v Speaker 1>so other generations, unfortunately, do not make the same mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>that we have made.

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<v Speaker 2>Then your first book, Letters from Prison, the American Goola

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<v Speaker 2>chronicles Letters from Prison. Again, we talked about that in January.

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<v Speaker 2>These are letters from the actual incarcerated folks. Explain this,

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<v Speaker 2>this nouve on the art of confinement. Get a little

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<v Speaker 2>more detail about how this differs, if it does from

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<v Speaker 2>the prior book.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. It's still it's still letters, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>content of the letters has dramatically changed. They they have

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<v Speaker 1>found the expectation of endurance is probably their best tool

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<v Speaker 1>in getting through this. As Americans and hopefully people that

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to this radio were allaving to try and

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<v Speaker 1>reverse this injustice. But these folks have turned this type

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<v Speaker 1>of incarceration, this type of persecution, the endurance of that.

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<v Speaker 1>They've turned it into a damn art form. The different

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<v Speaker 1>ways that they have found the cope. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>not have actually been converted and baptized in prison. They

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<v Speaker 1>have found their faith in God, in Christ to be

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<v Speaker 1>their most potent ballwork against what's happening to them. And

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<v Speaker 1>they like me, I said, you know what comes comes.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is where you sent me and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where I stand now, then this is where I will work.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think these people have come to that same

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion that I'm here for a reason. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>the big plan, but I do understand that there is

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<v Speaker 1>always a plan, and I'll serve my part in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's the beautiful thing of believing in a higher power,

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<v Speaker 2>because when the highest power that you're surrounded by is

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<v Speaker 2>the state and the state has failed you, there at

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<v Speaker 2>least some higher power you can turn to for well,

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<v Speaker 2>peace of mind, maybe some hope. But also, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>and the whole the idea of the Lord works in

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious ways. Maybe you are suffering so others can become

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<v Speaker 2>aware of it thanks to folks like you, Tim Rivers,

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<v Speaker 2>who get this information out about this mistreatment, about how

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<v Speaker 2>the government is abusing its citizens, and so we all

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<v Speaker 2>learn from their suffering. I mean there may be a

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<v Speaker 2>reason why they're suffering. The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm afraid that the current regime would like to

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<v Speaker 1>be our god. Oh yeah, to replace God with state.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the function of the socialist society. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a methodology of introduction of communism into productive societies.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen it happen across the world over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing that people don't recognize it. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we thought these films were important, because we put them

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<v Speaker 1>together in a manner that just tells the story of

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<v Speaker 1>not only what has been happening, but how we have

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<v Speaker 1>been so thoroughly and specifically manipulated into a belief of

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<v Speaker 1>reality that does not match the actual reality of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that sort. One of these films is

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<v Speaker 1>called Into the Light, and it explores that topic in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that I just, I mean, heck, I know

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<v Speaker 1>these filmmakers, and I just fall off my chair watching

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<v Speaker 1>these things. Because even I immersed in this as deeply

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<v Speaker 1>as I am with the people who speak to me

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<v Speaker 1>almost every day, I've ard things in these films that

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<v Speaker 1>I just I can't believe, but I now know them

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<v Speaker 1>to be true. And it helps illuminate if you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a path to get into the fight, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for permission to become you know, somebody more than

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<v Speaker 1>just Joe sitting on the couch watching TV. I'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>it to you now because your nation's calling, and this

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't even know what you're fighting against. So

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<v Speaker 1>these movies, we put them together to form an armory

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<v Speaker 1>of truth. I know that may sound militant, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an armory of truth. We want you to draw

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<v Speaker 1>you weapons of knowledge, to find your shield of faith,

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<v Speaker 1>and to find your sword of justice. And let's get

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<v Speaker 1>in this game. Let's be sure. Not only do we vote,

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<v Speaker 1>we take our neighbors to vote. We find our friends

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<v Speaker 1>we find that thirty seven percent of Christians who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>even registered, and we take them to the polls with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and we start to rebuild this country. And I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>being facetious when I said I didn't think i'd see

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure God will give me that much time.

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<v Speaker 1>If he does. I'm okay with it. I'll keep fighting

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<v Speaker 1>and working until you know, he calls me out. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, I think he's calling a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and nobody's listening, and so I'm telling you tune down,

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<v Speaker 1>turn off the radio, shut off the phone, forget some

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<v Speaker 1>TV for just a few minutes. Even maybe the radio

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's important as Joe, turn it off for just

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. Listen to the silence and see if you

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate that. But I will encourage my listeners not to

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<v Speaker 2>turn off the morning show because it's places like my

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<v Speaker 2>venue where people like you can get the message out.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I disagree with your message, generally speaking, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just simply a question of where information is gathered, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can gather great information from Tim Rivers books American

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<v Speaker 2>Gulaw chronicles the art of confinement, the most recent one

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<v Speaker 2>preceded by Letters from Prison, and of course volume three coming,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really wish there was I hope we can

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<v Speaker 2>come to a day when there won't be a need

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<v Speaker 2>for this anymore, and justice will be served for these

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<v Speaker 2>folks really quickly before we part company here, Tim, just

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<v Speaker 2>by way of illustration, now I'd be the first person

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<v Speaker 2>to have made if you walked on into the Capitol

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<v Speaker 2>building and you picked up, say something and clubbed a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer or somebody over the head with it, that

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<v Speaker 2>you are guilty or responsible for your damages. You committed

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<v Speaker 2>a crime. You should be held accountable for that fine.

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<v Speaker 2>There has been an actual tortue, even if a civil

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<v Speaker 2>you want to put a civil thing on it. There

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<v Speaker 2>was something that was done. Harm was done, but for

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<v Speaker 2>someone merely walking around the building. They were invited in

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<v Speaker 2>in many cases by Capitol police and other figures and authority.

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<v Speaker 2>How they can be incarcerated for that simple action is

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<v Speaker 2>beyond my understanding. But give my listeners like one illustration

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<v Speaker 2>just to put a little exclamation point on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'll just point back to Jeff McKellop, the

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<v Speaker 1>so that will be well four years and changed. He

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<v Speaker 1>was standing outside behind a barrier, very peacefully. He was

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<v Speaker 1>that day, but everything just kind of fell apart when

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<v Speaker 1>over millions of people showed instead of the expected five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand. He observed a police officer knock a lady

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<v Speaker 1>who was standing peacefully down apply to steps concrete. She

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<v Speaker 1>tried to reapproach it, and he'd done that, same officers

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<v Speaker 1>sprayed her in the face with bear mason at literally

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<v Speaker 1>point blank range, and then struck her again. And mister McKellop,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a Green Beret and who has been trained

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<v Speaker 1>never contacted the officer that he was. He tripped and

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<v Speaker 1>fell forward, but he was recovered. He never even touched

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<v Speaker 1>the man. He never struck a blow, He never heard anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet he's been charged with like a half dozen

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<v Speaker 1>violent donies because of who he is, because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>uniformed retired uniformed officer of special forces and he stood

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<v Speaker 1>against the government because they were doing something wrong the government,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to make people like him, people like Green

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<v Speaker 1>Beret Jeremy Brown, people like Captain Gabe Garcia. I could

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<v Speaker 1>go on and on. These are veterans, decorated veterans who

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<v Speaker 1>have been singled out by the government for this ty

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<v Speaker 1>with behavior because they dared to stand against tyranny stands.

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<v Speaker 1>Please go to J six Patriotnews dot com and read

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<v Speaker 1>these stories for yourself. That's all I mean. I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I could go on for hours, Joe, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have that time for I'm Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Strecker is the producer of the program. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>J six Patriot News. That's all right. It happens all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I am a mere facilitator to get information out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if anybody remembers my name or not,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as they remember the information that you're passing along.

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<v Speaker 2>And get a copy of the American Goolt Chronicles Volumes

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<v Speaker 2>one and two. Jostrecker will put them up on my

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<v Speaker 2>blog page fifty five cars dot com, and I'll also

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<v Speaker 2>ask that the add J six Patriotnews dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>one afilmfest dot com for my listeners who can't write

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<v Speaker 2>it down because they're in the car or away from something,

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<v Speaker 2>to jot it down fifty five cars dot com for

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<v Speaker 2>all that and this discussion on podcasts. Tim Rivers, keep

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<v Speaker 2>up the great work, my friend. I hope to have

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<v Speaker 2>you back on the program with with some really good

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<v Speaker 2>news at some point down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your time. Brother, and everybody, don't do nothing.

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