1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,879 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to I don't 2 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,240 know what number this is episode. Because we're recording this 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,279 in the past, ladies and gentlemen, we're dropping our nine 4 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,640 No god damn a wake up dead Man Knives Out 5 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:18,559 story spoilers of you. I'm again the hairtech trast. Now 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,519 I'm joined by I'm still the Scooby Doo hit a Field. Yeah, 7 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:25,719 so obviously a couple of weeks ago, unless you watch 8 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:27,399 it on YouTube. A couple of weeks ago. We dropped 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,800 our nonsploors thoughts on Knives Out because we got to 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,679 see it a little bit earlier before as the Netflix 11 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:34,359 for a bunch of people to see, because, as we 12 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:36,759 talked about in that episode, not everybody gets to see it, 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,079 not playing it all theaters, so we did just a 14 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,000 smaller episode there. But this episode's all about that, so 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,000 you can go back for our initial thoughts. I guess 16 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:47,960 to give me give you a quick overall. Is I 17 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:50,799 enjoyed it. I still like it. I like the world 18 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:53,359 they create. I think it's a little less funny. I 19 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,520 think it's not a little funny. I mean, I guess 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 I should preference with I think it on purpose is 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,640 not being as comedic, much like Glass Anyone's on purpose 22 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:04,760 being very more comedic and as right now I have 23 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:09,400 it ranked last. I think there's some issues with the characters. 24 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:11,799 That's so much of characters, the issues of lack of 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,239 the characters, and I feel like we maybe made some 26 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:18,439 of the how we got to the found kill took 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,359 one too many twists and turns. But Taylor, give me 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,719 a quick thirty seconds of what we just talked about 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,480 in the past. But your thoughts, Okay, someone's just tuning 30 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:28,879 in for the spoilers of you. Just your thoughts on 31 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:31,560 knives out three here, even though I know it's not 32 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:32,519 called that. I'm sorry. 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what it's lacking in character development. I think 34 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,480 it makes up for in being similar to that first 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,560 movie in regards to it's aesthetic, it's smaller scale and 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,200 the not excessive comedy. It just kind of has that nice, 37 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:54,640 perfect balance in my opinion, of just having the comedic 38 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:58,120 hits and also the serious moments too, and then also 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,599 getting into a little bit I don't want to say horror, 40 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:05,159 but just being a little bit more fucking cat just 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,599 scared the shit out of me. These fucking cats need 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,840 to just chill man. 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: You sound like Josh O'Connor in this movie. 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: My God, But yeah, it just they it does a 45 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:20,000 good job at just being tense and like just very 46 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:24,960 little little horror horror, not actual horror horror, but uh yeah, 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,919 it's it does a really good job at just kind 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,000 of like adding more to the universe and has a 49 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:34,080 lot of innocent, humorous beats. It's one of the reasons 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,560 I really like Blanc as a character, and this one 51 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:40,120 more than glass Onion, because glass Onion was just a 52 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:42,400 little bit too too much communic in my opinion, But 53 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:44,680 in this one, it's just it's nice because he's he's 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,599 very cute and like adorable, if that makes sense, and 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,599 so I really like and jib with how he's his 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,560 mannerisms are and how he acts with certain things in 57 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:56,680 these situations. So I think they do a great job 58 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:58,639 at putting him in here. It would have been nice 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,919 to have him a little bit more or as like 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,840 a focal point. Is it being his story instead of 61 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:09,759 the focus being retroactively or other main character who's just 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,319 kind of like recounting a situation and then things catch 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,639 up and then it's like, Okay, this is the narrative 64 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,400 moving forward, So I would like it if they kind 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,840 of kept Blanc a little bit more in there at 66 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,719 the start. But it's it's okay. I mean, he comes 67 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:28,439 in kind of feels like it feels like if don't 68 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:30,639 even in like the first act when we finally get 69 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,960 him in there, and we miss a lot of potential 70 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:35,120 time with him. But I get it because the story 71 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,039 needs to kind of establish itself a little bit before 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,319 we explore that. 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's about it. Yeah, well that's where 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,599 we can start too. Like you know, Kirklam's fair Play 75 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:48,280 start from the beginning, but I want to start there 76 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,599 because obviously, even when knives out, I watched it, and 77 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:54,039 it starts with all the characters, you know, we lose 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,159 a character and all them mer explain the story, and 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,240 ben Wan Blanc is just in the background sitting listening 80 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:02,280 right even Glassy Glass. I mean, he's actually in there 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,840 pretty quick, to be honest, But with this one, i'd 82 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,400 have to claw it. I'm gonna say twenty minutes. It 83 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:10,280 could be a little less, but it feels because you 84 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,120 get some credits everything. I feel like it's about twinmans 85 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:16,040 until we get to ben Well Blanc and maybe even longer. 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,240 I could be wrong, but the opening of this movie 87 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:20,560 is Josh O'Connor writing a story of how they got 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,240 to this point, right, and it's not just which I 89 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,199 do appreciate because that's the thing, right when you're Ryan 90 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,720 Johnson and you're it's not like it's okay, we're doing 91 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,920 the Knives Out franchise and each one it's a new 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,240 director like a Star Wars. Right, it's it's him doing 93 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,240 all these So he's probably trying to find, Kay, how 94 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:37,560 can I do this differently? How I can start, how 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,519 could end it? How could I pace it? So I 96 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:42,480 do applaud this idea of it's not just oh, murder happens, 97 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:45,279 and then we get to it, it's okay, this character's 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,279 gonna sit down and literally talk about his life to 99 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:50,160 get not his whole life, but you know the last 100 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:52,199 I'd say year or so, because I think they say 101 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,160 he was on this island for nine months. I think 102 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,279 at one point Josh Brolin said to him, so let's 103 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,079 just you know, wrap it up into both that he's 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,560 explaining a whole year of his life to Ben one 105 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,759 Blanc in a letter, which, again, because we're in spoilers. Now, 106 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:07,279 you would think that, oh, he has this letter, he's 107 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,560 sending it off, can I get your help? That letter 108 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:12,240 isn't actually written n til like further in the movie, 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,160 like an hour hour and a half, Like it's doing 110 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,279 the kind of pulp fiction thing where you see multiple 111 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,519 things that happen at very different times, so you think, oh, 112 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,160 that's the setup, and no, it's it's not. Because at first, 113 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:25,800 when he's in the church and he's praying and Daniel 114 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,600 Craig walks up to him, I was like, Okay, if 115 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:29,879 you wrote a letter to Ben one Blanc, who they've 116 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,519 established in these movies is somewhat famous, right, not like 117 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,720 uber famous, but like enough that people like, oh you 118 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,800 saw this, or you solve that, or like they said 119 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,360 on this one, you've been on the View, or you've 120 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:41,319 been on Oprah, that type of stuff, right, So I'd go, Okay, 121 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 he wrote him a letter and he sent it to him, 122 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 but he's annoying to who this guy is. I already 123 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,319 was ready to ding it. I was like, what is this, Like, 124 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,360 this is illogical. You would hire this guy and you 125 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,160 don't even know what he looks like. But it's played 126 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,879 later on and that's the thing that he I think 127 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,800 comes in at a great moment, has like a great 128 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,480 entrance if he just makes him loud, like yell or 129 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,560 yawn or something. I don't know how he enters, but 130 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,759 it's just great. And it's great right way too. They 131 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,800 establish he doesn't even try to hear him out or 132 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 play along. He just right away establishes like I'm not 133 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,560 a man of cloth, I don't follow any Christian values, 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,519 like I hate being here. But he's also not hateful, 135 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,360 which is like pretty much when people want to like 136 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,480 I am hateful to people that push their religion on 137 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,360 people in certain groups that are hate groups, yes, but 138 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,360 for the concept of religion or faith, I'm very much 139 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:27,959 like been on a bloc where say, hey, you're not 140 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:29,519 gonna like none of this is for me, You're not 141 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,720 gonna convince me, but I'm happy you got it. So 142 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,879 I like that kind of jovial and even Josha Connor 143 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,399 picks up on that. Be Okay, this guy, like, I mean, 144 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:38,360 I try and tell him why we do these things, 145 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:41,079 but he's not really digging what I'm putting down. But yeah, 146 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,360 the whole opening of this movie is explaining where he is, 147 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,000 how he gets this island. Even the time with Josh 148 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,160 Josh Brolin, it's like, oh he dies, we learn him 149 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,199 on after, we learn a lot about him before he 150 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,240 even dies. Right, So they play with it in quite 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,480 a different way and even last sunning and they did 152 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,519 that as well too. But that's what I was gonna 153 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:01,079 say is in the previous I wasn't sure if they 154 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:03,000 showed him. I was happy to see Jeffrey Wright at 155 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,360 the beginning. We talked about this and nonspoils. There's a 156 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,120 scene with Josh O'Connor because he punched a deacon because 157 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,279 he was an asshole, and he's kind of telling these 158 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:12,279 other priests or whatever the rankings are about, like how 159 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:13,720 can I kind of make good right in the ideas 160 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:16,000 you're gonna go this isle and help this community. This 161 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:19,000 scene that's where these windows that they're SINEMI did not 162 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,120 look real. I could be wrong, right, If they are real, 163 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,839 then I take it back. And it just was shot 164 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:26,040 in a weird way. But it didn't look right. But 165 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,560 I didn't hear if they did an as Jeffrey Wright 166 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,920 was in this, I completely missed it. I always like 167 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,079 seeing Jeffrey Wright. But what I found was funny was 168 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 they've done this last movie too, I'd only have Knives out. 169 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,759 But obviously Daniel Craig was in the Bond series because 170 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,079 Jeffrey Wright was in those as well. He was Felix, 171 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,519 and then Andrew Scott, the writer. In this movie, like 172 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,759 the novel Skuy, he was inspector. And then in the 173 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:50,480 last movie Batista was in that with Danil Craig inspector. 174 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:53,480 So he's bumping into these like other Bond actors that 175 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:55,800 he shared time, especially at the end when they were 176 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,199 standing beside each other Craig and Jeffrey Right is like, 177 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:00,519 oh my god, because I was like, okay, different rights 178 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:01,920 in this movie, buta he's not gonna have any screen 179 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,680 time with Daniel Craig, and they was seen together. I'm like, 180 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,920 oh my god, you're putting the band back together. But yeah, 181 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,560 what did you think about the opening how we met 182 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,800 brol in the church. Everything is kind of set up 183 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:13,879 of fars and and I think this was way more 184 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:17,079 like Knives as far as meeting the characters of the 185 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:18,959 last time you met them in a different way, kind 186 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:23,639 of one by one, where this was one by one meeting. 187 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,959 I felt like Craig would get closer to characters or 188 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:28,519 you get more reviews where Knives Out felt like they 189 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:30,800 got sat down because they were being interviewed and you're 190 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,519 literally learning about everybody at the same time, where this 191 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,799 kind of felt like that as well too, where O'Connor 192 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:37,360 was telling us, but this time he was the one 193 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,960 leading it, so he, i mean. 194 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: Was leading it, and it just was an act of 195 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 like you're trying to pick up the story beats and 196 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,639 everything from Blanc's point of view, but it just feels 197 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:49,519 like the whole time Bloc is just keeping the main 198 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,200 character out of jail, out of Preston. That's it. As 199 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,480 he's just trying to keep him out, Like you don't 200 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:59,440 really get him interviewing or pushing all the other people, right, 201 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,240 It's just like that's another downside. It's like, oh, here's 202 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,240 a video of just everything that happened, and he watches 203 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:06,080 a video and you get to see everything going on 204 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:08,960 with everyone talking and whatnot, and it's like, well that 205 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,600 was it was a comedic relief, but it takes away 206 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,559 from our development with our characters. 207 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,879 Speaker 1: Well it's a trade off, well it is, but even 208 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:20,039 in that scene though, when he watched this video, it's 209 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,000 really just Carry Washington and Josh Brolin all the rest 210 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,720 of the characters. They say a few things, but they're 211 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,039 pretty much just sitting there listening. So it is that 212 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,200 trade off where it is you're doing it in a 213 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,799 different way, but you do feel like you know these 214 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,960 characters a lot less, you know, like kat like I said, 215 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,960 Katy Spainey. They set up this storyline that And that's 216 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,679 one thing I'll say about Knives Out. Maybe I've never 217 00:09:40,799 --> 00:09:43,240 enjoyed them as much because of this. No, I won't 218 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,120 say it, but as much as other people in Knives Out, 219 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:49,320 I couldn't believe when people were like hailing the twist 220 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,679 because it's like I felt like it's Chris Evans and 221 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,480 I was right. And the second one, I was right 222 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,240 about Edward Norton because I said this, I think in 223 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:59,039 the review and Ian Washington Day, they do something and 224 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:01,399 Edward Norton does this like really shocked face, and I think, 225 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,200 I said the review like they should have done another 226 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,559 taken tone. They ask him like, can you tone down 227 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,200 my thirty percent? Because this face that he does just reveals, Oh, 228 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,559 this guy's a fucking killer. I'll say I got this 229 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,840 half right. I thought it was gonna be we'll get there. 230 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,360 It was gonna be Glenn Close in Kaylee Spainey, We'll 231 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,600 get to the reveal after. But I thought Kaylee Spainey 232 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:21,879 because they dropped a few things of you know, there's 233 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:24,399 a money subplot in this, and they talked about this 234 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,399 character is spending a bunch of money. They say she's 235 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,759 practically funding the church because the idea is she used 236 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,360 to be like a famous or very talented cellist, and 237 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,759 she has some sort of disease or some sort of 238 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:37,000 treatment that's happening with her body, that her body's kinda 239 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,759 breaking down on her right. So her idea is she's 240 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,159 you know, the Josh Brolin's character is not promise but 241 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,159 pretty much promise. Hey, you come to this church, you're 242 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,519 with me, God's gonna heal you. Right in this thing, 243 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,240 she's dumping sorts of money, So I thought, okay. And 244 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:54,720 at one point too, they say when they're interviewing Josh O'Connor, 245 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:57,080 Meelie Koon is like, oh yeah, you on this list. 246 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,440 You're the only guy that hates Josh Brolin, so you 247 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,000 know when sus But I thought, well, Katy spain he's 248 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:04,200 a clear like she's gonna hate him becase he's taking 249 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,759 all his money, right, But that really never went anywhere. 250 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:08,960 Even then at the end when they think he's back 251 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,879 and he's risen, she's just sitting in the chair like waiting. 252 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:13,960 It just kind of felt, Oh, there's a couple of 253 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,080 other actors I understood, like Tomas Saint Church, I understand 254 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,840 when he's not in a bunch, But Katy Spain's kind 255 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:19,600 of becoming like a bigger star. But that's where it's like, 256 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,840 I don't know much about her character, you know, I 257 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,080 don't know why she feels so sure this guy is 258 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,919 gonna heal her or the praying to God's gonna heal her. Right. 259 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,399 So that's where there's characters in that room that I 260 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,279 feel like we do kind of miss out on some more, 261 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,840 not even motivations, just getting to know him a bit better. So, oh, 262 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:41,000 I think Tay's gone. Now we got our answer. Earlier, 263 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,240 Taylor was like, oh, I'm coming back, I'm coming back. 264 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,519 I'm coming back. In He's coming back. The aar has 265 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,360 asked me, oh, mind the problem. He just looks very 266 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,399 seriously going back. There you go, Oh my goodness, there 267 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,159 your back. 268 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,399 Speaker 2: But I gotta get this, you know, it's it's funny 269 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,720 because the Wi Fi monum is like it's only like 270 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,360 ten feet it's an open space. I can see it 271 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:06,919 with my eyes. It's like right super close. But it's 272 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,399 not good enough. Yeah. Yeah, I lost my hard wire 273 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,159 because I went wireless. Now fucking her Anyways, what was 274 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,159 the last note you said there? 275 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: Because I was so because you were talking about characters 276 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,600 we didn't get to know as much because of Ben 277 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,679 woll Bloc not interviewing them, And I was using Keille 278 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,440 Spainey's character asm thing because I would have liked to 279 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,200 know why. Because they didn't make her seem like a 280 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,720 complete dumb character. So I would believe you put this 281 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,840 character who's very naive or ignorant or just kind of childish, 282 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:36,600 you would believe, oh she's been tricked into hey I 283 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:38,240 can heal you. But they didn't play it off with her. 284 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:39,759 She just felt like a normal person that had some 285 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:41,919 money and had a disease. So that's where I felt. 286 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,320 She was a character that really suffered from not getting 287 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 to know more or just not having enough writing around her. 288 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and I do feel too at the 289 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,000 same time that she's a she was definitely wronged because 290 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:59,960 everyone was just calling her the the what was her 291 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:06,120 term again, not the heretics, hectic wore or something like that. 292 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:10,720 Like everyone just hated her just because she just got pregnant. Right, 293 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,399 So it all seems to start with this. 294 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:19,919 Speaker 1: Father that was Josh Brolin's. That's not who killed Yeah, 295 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,679 that's not whokaya Kaylee Spainey pit played who I was 296 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,720 talking about? Or you just talk about the mom separately. 297 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Oh I thought she played the mom who Okay. 298 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the girl from Alien Ramins was the girl in 299 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,200 the wheelchair with the braying and like trying to get better. 300 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,039 Speaker 2: That was the same one. Oh I thought she was 301 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:35,519 the mom. 302 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: No, and that I could understand because that's like, oh, 303 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,440 this is a fun quick cameo because I said, we'll 304 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,639 talking about Josh Brolin's mom and she's like this crazy 305 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,159 character for us, right, But no, that's I mean like 306 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,519 Alien ram like and you have seen her other stuff. 307 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,600 But or it's even Civil War, right, we just saw 308 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:51,399 her like last year in Civil War and she's great. 309 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,399 That's what it's like. I just felt like when she 310 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:55,799 was cast, I was like, oh, I bet she's gonna 311 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:57,480 be one of the killers because you're getting this great 312 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,240 up and coming actress and we'll get to who the 313 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,080 killers are. But she is not one of them, and 314 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,080 she doesn't do much in this movie. You know, she's 315 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,639 just a victim of Josh Brolin. 316 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, she's yeah, she is a victim. She's 317 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:13,360 just there present nothing really yeah, give him money, nothing 318 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:17,600 really crazy. So yeah, I mean she kind of gets 319 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:24,279 a happy story at the end, I guess, but she definitely, Yeah, 320 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:27,399 she definitely did not contribute to too much. She was 321 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,960 just serving as like I need to know if this 322 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,639 is real? Yeah, yeah, yeaha just kind of appearing there, 323 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,559 and I think she was. They throw in these extra 324 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,320 characters because they don't want you to just be able 325 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,840 to hone in and figure out who the bad guy's 326 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:41,000 going to be true, even though like I feel like 327 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:42,720 in one of my cons with a lot of who 328 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:44,960 done it is that, oh it was everyone. I think 329 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,240 that's I won't say that because that's a swell for 330 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:54,399 the Orient Express, but they but I think everyone and yeah, 331 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:56,919 all or in Express. It was literally fucking everyone that 332 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,720 was on that train was the murderer. And so I 333 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 don't like when they do group murder like that. But 334 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,639 in this case, like I liked, okay, this is it 335 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,399 was team, but it just went kind of fucking sideways 336 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,320 and greed kind of took over. And so with again 337 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,320 that was only like I'll say three three people either 338 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,960 like the nine or the eight or however any people 339 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:23,279 but her spent Kaylee being in there, like she didn't 340 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:26,240 feel like she had a lot of weight behind her 341 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,840 in being a possible contender for the murder suspect. 342 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:33,639 Speaker 1: Right. I only thought the money though, just because she 343 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:35,399 was spending so much money. At one point in the movie, 344 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,519 she says like, I've given you all my money, So 345 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,879 that's I thought, if that character finds out about this 346 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 jewel or these eight million dollars, like that would be 347 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:45,559 motivation to take this person out right and that and 348 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,279 especially too, they don't show her walk in the middle 349 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,159 of movie. She gets up and walk and it's a 350 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,799 comedic beat, but you can walk in some miracle now, 351 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:54,759 I can still walk. But I thought that was then 352 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,320 maybe tip in their hair, And that's why I said that. 353 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,519 I think could have been a good red airing because 354 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:00,399 that could have showed, oh, maybe she's not let on 355 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,240 as much as she can. But no, it wasn't her, 356 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,120 And that that's where you were about to talk about 357 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,000 the Josh Burl mother thing. They set up that there's 358 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,240 this there's a shadow of a not a shadow, but 359 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,120 there's a what have a stain where it cross would 360 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,039 have been? Is that what you would call it? So 361 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,200 big wall, big cross no longer there just the stain 362 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,080 of it. You tell this whole story about Josh Brown's 363 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,960 mother pretty much is just like a scarlet letter. She 364 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,519 had a chat at a wedlock. She's just like prostituting 365 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:30,200 stuff around the city. She's just kind of there. And 366 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,159 the only reason she's at the church is her dad said, Hey, 367 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,399 if you stay close, you stay here with your kid 368 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,039 that's or his grandson, you'll get the money or you'll 369 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:39,720 get whatever I have. And obviously they venture revealed that 370 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:43,240 the dad has nothing because he h swallowed this diamond. 371 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,159 I'll just say that. But and which I liked. I 372 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,039 liked the high idea they show at first that this 373 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,279 woman just would nut since she destroyed the church, but 374 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,679 really she was just looking for the diamond. That's so 375 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:54,919 what tipped me off to Glenn Close is the flashback 376 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,399 with the little girl, in the fact that she was 377 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,200 there for this vital stuff and that moment where she 378 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,000 whispered into and they didn't let us like see what 379 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:04,400 she said, and obviously she said something a lot worse 380 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,279 going on here, like a whore or something. But the 381 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,079 second they did that in the movie, I was like, Okay, 382 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,559 Glenn Close is at least a part of this. I 383 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:11,920 did not know it was gonna be three and like 384 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,839 I said, I thought it was Glenn Close and Killy Spainy. 385 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,960 So I was completely wrong on the the spaining part. 386 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,839 But I'm so happy knives that I still can usually 387 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,400 sus like, I just feel like Ryan John says little 388 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,519 little things he does in each movie that are very 389 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,359 consistent with who the killer is. But yeah, what did 390 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,359 you think about at least the setup of Brolin's family 391 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,799 and this church and everything going on there, because I 392 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,920 quite enjoyed. I liked the setup and I did like 393 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,279 the revelation of it later on. 394 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:42,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that was great. It's again, it's 395 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:44,519 just it's it comes down to, like, oh, your perspective 396 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 and what you're seeing in the scene and what on 397 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,920 what they're I guess what they're allowing you to see 398 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,440 and allowing you what to know at this point in 399 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 the story. I like that a lot, and it just 400 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,920 it fits with the girl being in the same mentality 401 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,039 as the dad of the guy who started all by 402 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,720 eating the diamond, which rough that thing was huge. That 403 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,359 would hurt like a mother trucker to swallow that thing. 404 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,720 But yeah, I think I do feel bad for the 405 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:18,279 daughter because she definitely got the short end of the 406 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,240 stick here and it kind of, you know, screwed her over. 407 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:23,039 I don't think she was really as bad as they 408 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,119 were probably kind of putting her out to be. I 409 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,799 think that's just, uh, this is just part of setting 410 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,359 up the old lady as a character and the father 411 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,720 priest guy as a character and all that. But yeah, 412 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,200 it's it was really really good and zany when they 413 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,839 get to see what happens after, because when she's screaming 414 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:46,160 and acting all demonic and then she like jumps on 415 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,240 top of the little girl starts punching her something, and 416 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,160 holy fuck, it was crazy. But I like how it 417 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,599 was legit logically explained afterwards. 418 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: In the same sense and reveals for her parent and whatnot. 419 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,680 How did you feel about Josh brolin sigh being related, 420 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,799 because I think that was in there just for red hairing, 421 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:07,480 because I feel like it didn't really go much places. 422 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,359 I thought if he was in all the mystery helping 423 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,519 him die, et cetera. Sure, but I think that was 424 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:15,960 just throw red hairing at all. Maybe his now illegitimate 425 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 son that he hasn't known for thirty years could be 426 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,440 a part of it, but I feel like after the fact, 427 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,039 now I feel like it's just kind of all right. 428 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,559 I don't know if I added much to the story. 429 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't add much. It's just you know, just 430 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:31,640 the sense that, Okay, he wants money, and it's just 431 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,880 kind of full circle, I guess, right, just the the 432 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,400 I don't know if it's supposed to echo what the 433 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,440 daughter was like as a character, I guess, and how 434 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,000 it's just but I think it was just supposed to 435 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:46,079 come back to just greed and just this evil diamond 436 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,039 that everyone highly cuvets, I guess. But yeah, he was 437 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,079 an interesting character and I feel like that they added 438 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,799 a lot of layers to him where he was the 439 00:19:55,799 --> 00:20:00,640 illegitimate's illegitimate son of well I can't remember her name, 440 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,920 but her her father and it was just kind of 441 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,599 a sibling. But it turns out no they're not even siblings. 442 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,920 This guy just was going coots with Max. I think 443 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,680 his name is Max, right monsignor Max for Josh Brolin's character. 444 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, but I'll get that confirm there. 445 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:24,720 It was. No, it was not Max. It was Jefferson Wicks. 446 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:25,559 Speaker 2: Wix, That's what I meant. Yeah, it was a three 447 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,119 leader name. 448 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't see any Max on here. 449 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, so that was just kind of it was 450 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,799 nuts with him passing off his illegitimate son to this 451 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,119 other guy. And I guess he didn't know it would 452 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,880 have been the woman that did that, and then they 453 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,000 kind of rekindled and found out after the fact. 454 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, so how did this work? 455 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,319 Speaker 2: So the son and Wicks were forming a plan to 456 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,319 go and get the diamond and. 457 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Then oh, he didn't even know because at that point 458 00:20:57,559 --> 00:20:59,680 because Wicks just won, Well he didn't, but he was 459 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,839 told right because the lady, the old lady, Yeah, what 460 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,880 was supposed to have the confession, but. 461 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:09,279 Speaker 2: Like, oh, I had confession with the wrong priest and 462 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:11,400 so told Wicks and Wicks is I thought we was 463 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,119 gonna go and make a move to get it, and 464 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,319 so she made a move first. 465 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm happy because At one point, I thought 466 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:19,680 they were trying to make it look like he did 467 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,279 do this big, elaborate faking of the death thing to 468 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:24,200 get the diamond, especially at one point when they show 469 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:26,440 him in the morgue and they flipped the body over. 470 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,400 It's very comedian, but they flipped the body over and 471 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,839 everything to me, I was showing he is dead. So 472 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,920 I was really hoping there was because they were trying 473 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,119 to They showed some drug and I was like, oh, no, 474 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,440 is that me trying to say, like he just took 475 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,039 the classic slow your heart right down, so people thought 476 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:41,519 you were dead. So I was really happy they didn't 477 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,839 go that route. It just sounded like at the end 478 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,160 of the Eastern Mass he was just gonna go and 479 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,799 like get the diamond, like break down the thing and 480 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:52,160 then leave with the sun or help with Son, do whatever. Right, 481 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,759 So I don't think they had a full plan. I 482 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:56,200 think it was just kind of the the inklings of 483 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,599 the start of a plan. So and uh yeah, and 484 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,079 that's where we're not gonna get in all the Sadario 485 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,759 because there's ton they throw a lot out there. At 486 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:05,319 one point, they're trying to make you think that Josh 487 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,359 O'Connor is a killer, because's like, I gotta tell the 488 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,359 police I killed him. This is where I did not. 489 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,599 I felt they're kind of being too cheeky in the 490 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,519 way where I feel like it's like, okay, you're kind 491 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,000 of fucking with us the viewers. They had O'Connor multiple 492 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,200 times saying that he killed somebody, but then they later 493 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,599 reveal that it's SAMs and that he thinks he killed right. 494 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,640 But they're making us think that he's because they have 495 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,920 this one where millicun is, which is a great scene 496 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,680 earlier on where Daniel Craig talks about the Hallowman the 497 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,559 book The Hall Man. He's like, oh, for the trap 498 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,400 there's something like a secret trap door. There's three ways 499 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240 where you can do it, and he lied there's actually 500 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,119 four ways. And she reads this and they kind of 501 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,079 reveal that. Okay, and it's fake obviously, but Josh O'Connor 502 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,720 is the killer, and Dani with Craig is like, yeah, 503 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,880 I figured that out before, which I thought was very 504 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,039 very risky of him. He does a few things like 505 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,400 later on when Glenn Close is dying and he's like, oh, 506 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,960 I knew by the loog o of her lips and 507 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,759 Melacuna is like, go check the van, we might have 508 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:01,279 a med kid. I was like, man, imagine if they 509 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:03,240 did find a med kid and Daniel Craig just let 510 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,720 this fucking woman die like I know she's going to prison. 511 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,000 It's just like that's where there's a couple of times 512 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:10,440 where it's like he's playing like God. It's funny where 513 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,960 it is like he's not a religious guy, but it 514 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,640 feels like he's just like playing with these people lives 515 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,480 and that that's a moment. Also they didn't like too 516 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,240 where he he's his whole speech and he sits down 517 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,079 and he pretends that he didn't figure out the mystery 518 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,480 for Glenn close to come forward and tell him like 519 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:28,680 her and you know, do a confession like Church. That's 520 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,559 me felt way too much like you don't know this person, 521 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,680 you know his character. All you know is that she 522 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,440 could have been murdering people. It's like, and you're gonna 523 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,640 put faith and again that's what the movie is about. 524 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,720 I just feel like it came off very cheesy that 525 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,759 and very batman God to your motive, just he would 526 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,400 know he knew that Glenn Coast, even though got away 527 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,359 of everything, was gonna come back in admitt it all. 528 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,640 It's like, what happened. If she didn't, she would just 529 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,319 died and then they would have to take Ben wa 530 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Blanc's like word. So it just it felt to me 531 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,319 too much of a stretch for them to do that. 532 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,799 But that's what I was trying to get back to. 533 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:03,359 It is josh O'Connor multiple times says, so I gotta 534 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,960 admit that I killed them. I gotta turn myself in 535 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,920 the police. That was a super funny scene though, when 536 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,960 Mila Kunis is pissed off of Daniel Craig that she's 537 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,839 pretty much knows that he figured out that at this 538 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240 point that they think josh O'Connor did it, and he's like, 539 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,079 you better if you find him, you better let me know. 540 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960 He's like, oh, yeah, of course, I wish I knew 541 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,759 where he was. And josh O'Connor walks into the police 542 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,799 station and no one sees josh O'Connor. He's walking up 543 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,599 and Ben Block like runs over covers him, gets in 544 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,680 the car. So that was a funny scene. But then 545 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,680 when they get in that car, he's like, I gotta 546 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,920 go to the police that I gotta admit that I 547 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,039 killed Samson. This whole time, they're trying to make us 548 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:40,599 think that because Mila Kuna said, oh, he killed Josh Brolin, 549 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,720 and then he's saying I killed somebody, they're kind of 550 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:45,279 fool like it's an unreliable narrator. But it's not a 551 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,240 character that's crazy or lying. It's them kind of cutting 552 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,839 things out into me in a clever way, in a 553 00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:52,799 way where it feels like, Okay, that's kind of cheap. 554 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,839 And the other thing I didn't like was I get it. 555 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,559 You could say maybe it's he was hallucinating the adrenaline. 556 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,319 At this point, they do this moment where I guess 557 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,359 I'm kind of putting the whole mystery here, but Glennon 558 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,119 Close reveals that and again this to me was a 559 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,799 big stretch, but they they used it as she's very 560 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:12,519 religious and want to do a big faith thing to 561 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,279 make people believe. So I can kind of believe that 562 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,519 because people that are very religious can do something pretty 563 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,240 crazy that Josh Broln is dead, but they're gonna have 564 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,240 Thomas Ain and Church pose as Josh Brolin to make 565 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,640 it look like he's alive again, like he's risen. Right, 566 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,559 So this happens and the plan goes to shit. Also, 567 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,240 you've seen the movie, you know, but they have this 568 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:35,000 moment where Thomas Sain in Church he punches joshuacnnor. So 569 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,519 that's why he thinks he killed them because he wakes 570 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,799 up Samson's dead. But when Josh O'Connor is back in 571 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,200 the woods and he's running around and it's like flashing, 572 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,640 he's going through it. I guess you can say adrenaline. 573 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,759 I guess you'd say he's concussed. But they're flashing lights 574 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,519 in the wood and they're literally showing you Josh Brolin's face. 575 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,400 There's no if and or, but it's not like a 576 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,400 because they do which I applaud with this one. They 577 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,000 day there might be dead. They they have the groundskeeper, 578 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,920 that's who Thomas ain and Church plays right. And there's 579 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,119 one time earlier in the movie where he's in a 580 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,079 rain jacket and he has the light and it's fully 581 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000 covering his face. You can't see him, and then he 582 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,640 takes off his hood. He's like, hey, what you doing 583 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,359 and it's him, right, So multiple times throughout the movie 584 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,319 you see this person in a trench go and it's 585 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,039 Jeremy Render posing as him, but you see him and 586 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,319 you can't see his face, so you know, okay, they're 587 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,240 insinuating that's to Thomas Ain and Church, but it's likely 588 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,759 someone else. Right. But that's the thing where in this 589 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,759 conflict at the end, when Josh O'Connor's there, they're showing 590 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,160 you the groundskeeper, but you don't see his face the 591 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,720 entire time. You don't. It's just the hood and darkness, right, 592 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,039 So you go, okay, and to me that works because 593 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,920 it's it's us assuming it's us, be our own thoughts, 594 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,440 who could that be? Or you just even think it's 595 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,400 still Thomas Ain Church? Right? Where when you show Josh 596 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:54,359 Rolin's literal face in this like it's not a reveal, 597 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,839 but near the end, that's kind of like unfair to 598 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,079 the viewers, right, because you again you have to kind 599 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,640 of stretch and headcant yourself as far as Okay, he 600 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,079 has a concussion, he's going loopy, So I thought that 601 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,599 was a little dangerous. Again, I feel wonder I'm not 602 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,839 throwing a tailor. His WiFi has died, so that's why 603 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,880 this is a solo review until he gets back. But 604 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,400 I just thought it was kind of cheap to show 605 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,400 him off, like just like that. I would have loved 606 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,279 if you would have had the light flashes and you 607 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,640 see the silhouette of Josh Brolin because they made a 608 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,720 look like that. They gave him a beard similar haircut 609 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,519 the silhouette of Josh brol But then after the fact, 610 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,480 it's saw him saying Church and I bet maybe if 611 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,440 you slowed down, I bet you probably see some stuff 612 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,119 where hay in Church's face is kind of in there. 613 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,240 But it felt kind of a little cheap to me. 614 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,160 So that's where it didn't feel like the Revelations like well, 615 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,599 of course, like the other movies, it feels like, oh, 616 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480 I couldn't get that because I've not seen the whole story. 617 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,839 I've not put together. But if I could have thought 618 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:53,079 of it, I could have got there, right. But the 619 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,640 second you see Josh Brown walking around, you go, Okay, 620 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,000 I guess he's back some now or he faked his death, 621 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,720 which I didn't want either, right, So maybe on a 622 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:03,680 second watch some of the stuff will play better for me. 623 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,640 But in the moment during that just didn't really work 624 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,599 for me. So, uh, let me see says he's just stuck. 625 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,039 So oh man, the poor, the poor wife. I don't 626 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:16,240 want