1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: The the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 2 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:50,120 the the the, the, the, the, the, the the. 3 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:53,879 Speaker 2: The the. 4 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: The built, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, 5 00:02:24,159 --> 00:03:19,400 don't do the do don't do the? Do the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 6 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:58,680 the built, the the, the, the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, 7 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:47,519 the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 8 00:04:50,480 --> 00:05:30,279 the the, do the the, the, the, the, the built, the, the, the, 9 00:05:46,279 --> 00:06:00,959 the the the dout the the the Oh, don't do 10 00:06:01,319 --> 00:07:01,399 the do the don't do the. Don't do the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 11 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:30,639 the the the bum built, the built, the the the, 12 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:58,000 the the the bult the Britain. 13 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: M h. 14 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: Space wise, Let's create. 15 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,839 Speaker 5: Lison space wise. 16 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 6: God, that's a body one. 17 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:35,519 Speaker 4: It's a very tool. He looks good. Good space wise 18 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,919 man space. 19 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,919 Speaker 7: Space space. 20 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 5: Magic underwear fitting type magic underwear is feeling right? More 21 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:07,519 man space wise, more man space wise, Lords of the cool, 22 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,159 I would like to have intimacies with you. 23 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: On the planet and of the boo. More manon space. 24 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,519 Speaker 6: Magic. 25 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 5: Where were right there, my man space Let's create lies 26 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:47,440 mamonas space wise god the body money. It's a very 27 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:59,159 tomb honey. He looks good. Good Momon space moons, space w. 28 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 4: Space space space. 29 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 5: Magic underwear fitting type magic underwear. 30 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,399 Speaker 4: It's feeling right. 31 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:27,799 Speaker 5: More men space wise, more space wise, Lords of the cool. 32 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: I would like to have intimacies with you on the 33 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:43,840 planet of the boom space wise. 34 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,639 Speaker 6: Magical wonder where right there. 35 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,759 Speaker 4: More space space? 36 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 7: Mm hmm, it's that booger whistle. 37 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 6: Let's see marks and traits of the cult guru. They 38 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,279 do not typically like you doing well. 39 00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:27,399 Speaker 8: What they secrets. They're doing that out Irish perces. Therefore 40 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,279 they must take dollars. 41 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 9: But they do not under. 42 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,279 Speaker 7: That's that booger whistle bation. 43 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 10: Their energy bands. 44 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:46,159 Speaker 11: That's that booger whistle bation. I got a booger whistle 45 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:52,039 food their energy band, that's that booger whistle. 46 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:52,799 Speaker 10: The whistle. 47 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,279 Speaker 6: Oftentimes, the communal living of the guru demands doesn't match 48 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,039 up to the guru who's dropping around and a freaking 49 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:06,120 rolls Royce. How many swamis gotta dang rolls Royce? 50 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:12,519 Speaker 8: Hey, I was visuals made, Yes, send it? Most game 51 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:18,120 don store. They swammy don't get the roads race. 52 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 7: That's that booger whistle. 53 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:25,279 Speaker 10: Their energy van birds. 54 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 7: That's that booger whistle. An I got the booger. 55 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 10: Whistle, their energy van birds, that's that booger whistle. 56 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 6: Turn many rolls, roses, you got get over there in 57 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:48,399 that canune living by the way, get. 58 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 12: Out of my rolls, or got dang rolls right and 59 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,159 by Monday E would have got fifty. 60 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:58,159 Speaker 7: That's that booger whistle. 61 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,279 Speaker 10: An yere energy bad birds. 62 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 7: That's that I got the muger whistle. 63 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:13,279 Speaker 10: They're energy bad birds. 64 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:21,919 Speaker 13: Black kangs, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuade, 65 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,960 Lang dang, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuade, 66 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,440 lang kang, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate 67 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,519 persuey lang Kang, black bishops, black players. 68 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,759 Speaker 6: People of the chocolate persuasion. But the dark ages at 69 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:41,600 a time when black people rule Europe. So when you 70 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,759 go into the real history, you'll see King James with 71 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,600 that's King James, or that's James Lebron, that's King Lebon 72 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,120 right now black he was not a white guy. 73 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,759 Speaker 12: You'll see his whole lineage of kings, black kangs, black. 74 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,799 Speaker 13: Bishops, black player is people of the Chocolate persuade, Black Kangs, 75 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,799 black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuade, black kangs, 76 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,639 black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persuey black king, 77 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:17,720 black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion, who 78 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:20,559 was in almost sexual himself, who was in love with 79 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:23,559 his sister Lucretia, whould have made the image of Lucretia to. 80 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 12: Be married, and that became the Renaissance era Luque saw Lucretia. 81 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,279 Speaker 6: That's a black game. Are you going to say that 82 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,639 the people that was framing the black people were also black? 83 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:39,559 Speaker 10: That don't make no sense. 84 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 6: Lucretias are black as hell named Lucretia. Raised Church is 85 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:45,000 allowed it. 86 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. 87 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 6: The Church allowed for straight pempers that have been suppressed, 88 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,720 that have been suppressed. Listen to my brother from fifteen hundreds, 89 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,120 it was legal to be of pen black kangs, black bishops, 90 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,519 black player is, people of the Chocolate persuasion. 91 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 13: Black visions, black play is people of the Chocolate persuasions. 92 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, welcome everybody, everybody to the limit. It's another 93 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,679 live stream. It's open for him, it's open calls, it's 94 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,039 wisdom time. Not necessarily from me, But we're gonna go 95 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,200 to the fount of wisdom, Lady Wisdom herself, and we're 96 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:36,080 gonna get some insight into what no one has today, 97 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:37,919 which is wisdom. Now, we got a lot we're going 98 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,600 to talk about today. We're going to open it up. 99 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,039 We're gonna let people call in with their challenges, their opposition, 100 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:47,000 their critiques, their disagreements, all of that. But I've decided 101 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:50,399 because no one has wisdom today. We got a lot 102 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,159 of facts, a lot of knowledge, a lot of info, 103 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,879 a lot of data dumps, and I'm speaking of data 104 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,159 from Star Trek going number two data dumps. We have 105 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,799 all this information, but we don't have much wisdom. And 106 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,879 one reason for that is that young men are not catechized. 107 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:15,000 And men are of course meant to be the leaders 108 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,000 in society. And when men fail to lead, or when 109 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,200 they are severely repressed and oppressed by a oligarchical, degenerate 110 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:30,320 culture in society as we presently are, men retreat and 111 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,559 become feminized in the living fantasy worlds, etcetera, etcetera, and 112 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,679 they get psyoped by the syop of psyops, namely atheism. 113 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,240 And as you know, my thesis seems to be more 114 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:50,840 and more vindicated that mainline atheism was a top down syop, 115 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,200 and especially all of the info that comes out with 116 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,759 Jeffson mcguffrey. What do you know, As we said, the 117 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:05,799 so called rationalist atheists are hanging out with and flying 118 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,160 on the planes of jeff Stin McCaffrey, which by the way, 119 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:15,640 are CIA planes for three decades. As we now know. Now, 120 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,920 keep in mind, the same people that were involved in 121 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:26,759 high tier finance, toxic culture creation, blackmailing celebrities, politicians, world leaders, 122 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,680 profiting from chaos and corruption, war torn areas, on and 123 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:43,519 on and on, are the same people promoting global trademark atheism. 124 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,480 The new atheists there you can see, your good buddy, 125 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,400 to see it's all rationalism. 126 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 4: You see when we eat the children underneath castles, underneath 127 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:58,720 Windsor Castle, it's just rationalism. 128 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 6: That's just a joke. For those that don't know, it's 129 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:11,359 a joke. That's my Dicky Dawkins impression down there underneath 130 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:21,079 uh Windsor Castle and the catacombs trumping down on Uh 131 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:29,960 not a baby Ruth, a baby named Ruth. That was 132 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:34,400 a really preposterous joke. But uh no, as you can 133 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,119 see many, many photos of the New Atheist. And yes, 134 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,559 I'm aware that learned. 135 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,519 Speaker 12: Walwantz coows. I suddenly can't say my aw's walwantz coows 136 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,680 what if I did the whole strain today not being 137 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,880 able to say my aws. My little Bobble when he 138 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,160 was a kid, he had to gotta say his rs. 139 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 14: What Jeffey Epstein I used to make make my brother 140 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,960 because he had to cust to how to say his 141 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,720 r squad, I do say my all's. 142 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,799 Speaker 6: So today we're going to talk about my wood and 143 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:23,839 jeffe Epstein because you can't say his as. I'm cracking 144 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,559 up again at my own jokes, Jamie, could you bring 145 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:28,000 me a walk? 146 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: Could you bring me on wattle? 147 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 6: I hope my brother's watching this. He's gonna be cracking 148 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:44,319 up sometime. I get my brother to watch the streams. 149 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:47,559 That's the first time I made fun of himough Don, 150 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:49,319 I'm making fun of you right now. Could you say 151 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,400 your aws? Could you say jeffy Epstein, jeff Wee? Jamie, 152 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,039 could you bring. 153 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: You a wattle? 154 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:55,559 Speaker 15: I need. 155 00:19:57,519 --> 00:19:59,799 Speaker 16: I need a ja. 156 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:02,039 Speaker 4: You're making fun of me. 157 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: You know what? 158 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 6: No laughing matter. Shout out to my little brother. I'm 159 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,720 already crying so retarded as stupid. Oh my goodness, here 160 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,960 we go, shout out to the supper chats. I realized 161 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,599 that there was already water here. I was laughing so hard. 162 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Now I have four waters. I got full wattles. Okay, 163 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:36,359 So the new atheists, as I've been theorizing, I think 164 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,559 this is a top down sigh op. And with the 165 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,319 Justin mcgeffrey and just laying connections, apparently some of the 166 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,759 dorks have done some really good sleuthing and it appears 167 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,599 that they were also just laying. Apparently was a high 168 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,319 tier Reddit mod with like fourteen thousand posts in the 169 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Reddit atheist sphere. Of course, Professor Dave is the literal 170 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:09,240 incarnation of Reddit. So what's funny is that these atheists, bros, 171 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:16,960 these arrogant goblins online are actually the creation the children 172 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,240 of jeff'sty mceffreys. And do you think the jeffsty mceffrees 173 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,960 appreciate or enjoy or or are happy with low tier 174 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:33,000 goblins like Professor Dave. No, No, they laugh at these people, 175 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,079 and they mock these people for actually believing the low 176 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,279 tier scientists and bullshit that they put out. And I've 177 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:45,799 been saying that overhe my channel for probably ten fifteen years. 178 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,559 We've talked about atheism as a kind of a psiah 179 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:54,440 or professional skepticism, right, Michael Shermer type trademark skepticism. They're 180 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:59,279 the most establishment people ever. They repeat and they parrot 181 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,160 every single establishment doctrine, whether it was the koof or whatever. 182 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,759 And let's not forget that your friend professor Dave, who 183 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,279 by the way, isn't actually a professor. And I looked 184 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:14,640 into what he actually is. He has a BA, not 185 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,920 knocking a BA, but he has a degree now in education. 186 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,440 Apparently he's not actually a tenured professor. He's not actually 187 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,039 a teaching professor at a university. He said, yes, I 188 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,640 did teach a semester at a trade school. Oh at 189 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:35,000 a trade school. You mean like where they teach HVAC 190 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,960 and VCR repair, a trade school. So he taught chemistry 191 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:44,480 a semester at a trade school. Bob Vance heating and 192 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:49,319 heating and air dude was over there lecturing next to 193 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,640 Bob Vance. And he's like a professor. Now people are 194 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,039 saying that he uses a lot of AI and other 195 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,680 professors write his videos for him. So he doesn't even 196 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,359 write the videos. Now, is it any wonder why he 197 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,720 does not want to do a debate. He says, I 198 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:10,799 will never debate philosophy. I only talk science. Well, we 199 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,279 know who actually created science, and I don't think y'all 200 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:19,119 are ready to have this conversation. So yeah, well yeah, 201 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:25,880 kub mcceffrey. So y'all ain't ready for this conversation. Maybe 202 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,799 when you are, we can talk about who really created science. 203 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,319 But to give you an idea of the science that 204 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,200 we're talking about, Professor Dave is a an ally and 205 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:42,000 an advocate for men becoming women and women becoming men. 206 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,599 So what does that tell you about your science man? 207 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,319 You're science expert. Notice how many of these people, especially 208 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,839 Matt Dillamunkey right, gender roles are obsolete. I want you 209 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,559 all to understand I am an ally. It is time 210 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,880 for everybody to stop me conservative and accept tr, A 211 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,559 and Z, says Professor Dave in his pro trans video. 212 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,359 So here's your great science man who can't even figure 213 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:18,759 out basic common sense empirical facts, much less could he 214 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,799 actually give an argument defending any of the metaphysical claims 215 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,559 that he makes all the time. Now, Jim Bob had 216 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:31,599 a great call in here, and I want you to 217 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,599 see the level of the high IQ level that we're 218 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,720 dealing with with these people, these absolute SuDS. They are 219 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:42,039 absolutely this is the definition of a sued and I'm 220 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,400 going to prove it to you. Let's listen to Professor 221 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,240 Dave respond to just a couple basic questions from Jimbob. 222 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,079 Speaker 17: Okay, so, then would you agree that, from your perspective 223 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,279 that the brain was a process of random mutations produced 224 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:57,640 by random mutations. 225 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 18: Brains in general and every other organ in every other 226 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,960 aspect of all life ever. 227 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 19: Yes, okay, so then, and it wasn't developed for any purpose, right, No, not. 228 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 18: Any inherent purpose, but it serves it is useful. Right, 229 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,759 Animals with brains have processing ability, and then especially humans, 230 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,000 we have this huge frontal lobe that is capable kinds 231 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,119 of compet I understand. 232 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 19: But you would say that your your brain has no 233 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:23,519 real purpose, right. 234 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,039 Speaker 18: It has no inherent purpose. I use it for the 235 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,920 purpose of thinking. 236 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,839 Speaker 19: Okay, but you know it's not made for the purpose 237 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,400 of thinking. 238 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,039 Speaker 20: Uh. 239 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,839 Speaker 18: There is no God that on purpose made things with 240 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,319 the purpose that I didn't say God, No, God, God 241 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,720 doesn't exist in this hypothetical. 242 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,079 Speaker 6: Okay, I just want you to. 243 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,839 Speaker 18: Your view, then you would agree that nothing would have 244 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,599 any kind of inherent purpose from a higher power. If 245 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,000 it's all chance, then there's no inherent purpose to anything 246 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,519 other than what proliferates due to conferring a survival advantage. 247 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 17: And so why would I why would I listen to 248 00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:58,960 sounds coming from a purposeless brain? 249 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:00,799 Speaker 18: Because I'm right. 250 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:06,079 Speaker 6: So that's the level of argumentation. It's literally t dump level. 251 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,720 And all these people have been mind graped, all of 252 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,680 these people that have grown up on four Chan, which, 253 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119 by the way, turns out Jeffsony mcgeffrey and company met 254 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880 with the four Chan dude. Was it named moot or 255 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,119 mute or something that was a siop to essentially degrade 256 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,279 the youth? I would say through all of the degeneracy 257 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:31,400 and the pushing of the underage types of things that 258 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,920 happened is significantly over the many years through four Chan, 259 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,720 all of the fake info dumps, all the conspiracy q 260 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,079 TRD crap. What do you know, It's all out of 261 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:47,039 four Chan. And Dave is the perfect representative of a 262 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:50,519 person raised on that. He believes, of course that his 263 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,559 position is rational, it's logical. He's against these silly religious people, 264 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,279 and he's so much smarter than everyone else, but he 265 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,039 can't even formulate in an act will argument. That's what 266 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,519 I've noticed in watching several clips is Yeah, if the 267 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,640 debate was about whether Dave has learned some basic chemistry, 268 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,720 I'm sure Dave would do good. But that was never 269 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:16,559 the question. The question was you're venturing into the domain 270 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,599 of metaphysics and philosophy without even realizing it. As you 271 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,359 say that you don't really care about philosophy. Philosophy doesn't matter, 272 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 people are saying in the past, Dave has actually done 273 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,039 philosophy videos, so he should be willing to debate. Well, 274 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:35,319 I've offered the challenge, so Derek Mythvision, nastic Informant, and Dave. 275 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:43,119 I've offered all three separate public formal debates. Derek declined, 276 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440 no shocker there. Derek seems to be the most butt 277 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,599 hurt out of all this, and he, together with Nasti Informant, 278 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,240 did a victory lap video after Dave made yesterday's video 279 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640 calling me a bunch of poop joke man, it's it's 280 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,759 a bunch of really low tier reddit like reddit people, 281 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,119 or if you don't know, they're like obsessed with anuses. 282 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,759 They're all about anuses, the error that expels out of anuses, 283 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:16,119 putting things in anuises, women becoming men so that they 284 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000 can go into the anuses. That's really all they're into. 285 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,960 And so they are degraded and demoralized, disgusting people. And 286 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,680 it comes out when you actually sort of try to 287 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,519 investigate their worldview, you find out they're actually suits. They're 288 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,920 not actually educated. Now, when I say educated, I don't 289 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,119 mean did you study chemistry at a community college. No, 290 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,640 I'm talking about actually educated in the ability to argue, 291 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,680 to have good discourse, to have good communication skills, and 292 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,000 to make your case rhetoric logic, what we call the 293 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:55,559 classical arts or the trivium. Can you actually engage in 294 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,359 that kind of argumentation? Do you actually know any classical 295 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,519 logical laws, fallacies, etc. No, they don't. And this all 296 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:12,279 stems from the Derek mythvision video one year ago where 297 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,279 he's still mad that I hopped on the stream with 298 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:22,240 him and Andrew and Jimbob to debate, and Derek wanted 299 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,240 basically no pushback. He wanted to be able to constantly 300 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,759 go at Christianity and anybody that's so stupid as to 301 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,960 be a Christian without anybody asking any questions about Derek, 302 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200 and so he basically had a meltdown and just said, 303 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,759 I don't care it's true because I say so. Interesting, 304 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,119 that's exactly what we just heard Professor Dave argue because 305 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,880 I say so, so these people are actually incapable of arguing. 306 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920 And the other thing that's funny is that when Derek 307 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,279 prophesied that he was taking over his channel was going 308 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,359 to dominate, he said he would be half a million 309 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,960 in one year, and he's not even anywhere close to that. 310 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,759 So none of that came true. And as people have 311 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,599 noted in the comments, I will critique your worldview. It's 312 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,519 all mythological stories. Well, under your definition, your own worldview 313 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,599 is a mythological story. I didn't come here to debate 314 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400 my worldview, so don't do an internal critique of me. 315 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,799 Don't ask me any questions about my worldview. I only 316 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,839 want to come at you now. When I talked to 317 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680 Derek in DMS, asking him for a public debate, he's 318 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,640 essentially affirmed the same thing. I'm not going to debate philosophy. 319 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,920 It's not my field. However, I will assert that Christianity 320 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,039 is not true and I'd be happy to assert Christianity's 321 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,599 not true on a stream with you, and you can 322 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,160 come on my stream. So this is how fragile and 323 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,000 arrogant grown men are as people. Yeah, exactly in the chat. 324 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,920 Grown men can't handle being challenged and they can't have 325 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,759 just a little bit of humility to say, look, hey, 326 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,680 I don't actually know what episodmic justification is. Could you 327 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,440 explain that rather than just asking a few questions to 328 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,160 see if he understood the argument. By the way, a 329 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200 year later, when he made his video the other day 330 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,960 saying that, by the way, I lost that debate because 331 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,359 I was hungry and I didn't have any snacks around. 332 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400 That's literally what he said. And it's not fail because 333 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,119 they twicked me. Okay, well, how about set up a 334 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,839 formal debate then if it wasn't fair and you feel 335 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,359 like you can handle it well. And what's funny is 336 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,599 that Jimbob reviewed this from the other day. I've already 337 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,359 tried to debate Sneako. I ended up debating Sneako had 338 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640 to bring in his buddy Muslim lantern. So we already 339 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,039 did that debate. And no, Sneako's not gonna debate me 340 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:42,039 come on. So you know what's funny is that really 341 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:43,440 I think Derek, it would have been better for you 342 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,680 if you had just basically at least understood what we 343 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,839 were arguing. But in Derek's new videos, he made absolutely 344 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,559 no effort to even understand the argument. And this is 345 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,799 the thing, is like people can see this stuff eventually 346 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,599 when you have this facade and you get challenged and 347 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:06,119 you basically have spurgout meltdowns and you're constantly talking about 348 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,079 how it's not fair and you were hungry and this 349 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:14,319 and that, like, okay, well, then why not do us 350 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,720 a formal debate? Well, now it turns out he can't 351 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:18,400 do a formal debate because it's not his topic. He 352 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:29,240 doesn't do philosophy. Okay, so I think that's enough on 353 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,279 that topic there. So I've issued a formal debate challenged 354 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,200 to all three of them. Somebody sent me a clip 355 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,119 of Professor Dave saying that he's preemptively already said in 356 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920 an interview or a podcast that he will never debate 357 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,519 tag or philosophy. He only debates science. Okay, well, I'm 358 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,960 not sure what to say to that. I mean, if 359 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240 he preemptively says he won't debate, and the debate is 360 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,799 a philosophical argument. There's not much I can do about that. 361 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,759 I didn't really expect any of these people to except, however, 362 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,039 I will say, at least Gnostic Informant has the balls 363 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,480 to do a debate. So of these three goobers, the 364 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,200 only one who actually stood up to do the debate 365 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:13,240 is Gnostic Informant, and that will be next, not this 366 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,720 upcoming Monday, but the following Monday on Crucible, we will 367 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:23,119 have a formal public debate with Gnostic Informant, who I 368 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,480 know this is so crazy. I assumed by his name 369 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:32,559 he was Gnostic. Lma bro, I'm not Gnostic, LMAO. Who 370 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,319 would think a Gnostic with the name Gnostic informant? Now, 371 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,279 I know that's crazy of me to assume that a 372 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,000 Gnostic informant would be a Gnostic. Now it turns out 373 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:49,240 he is a quasi Aristotelian monist. Of course, Aristotle was 374 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,400 a diadist and not a monist, so I don't think 375 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,240 he knows what he's talking about. And that's going to 376 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,599 be a lot of fun. And cross your fingers, because 377 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,519 you know what often happens in these situations. Let's hope 378 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,680 that there's no medical emergency or family problem that comes 379 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:10,960 up within the next seven days, which means that Gnostic 380 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,079 Informant can't make the debate. But he's already agreed to it, 381 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,679 and Derek Mythvision had to bring in Gnostic Informant as 382 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,800 his big bro to do the debating for him. Well, 383 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,199 how come, Professor Dave. Isn't he the biggest channel in 384 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,559 the biggest brain. He's the big intellect, He's got the 385 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,800 biggest nose, I mean, the biggest brain amongst all of them. 386 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,719 Can he not do the debate as the real big bro? 387 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,599 Is Gnostic Informant a weirdo subjectivist relatives? Last time I 388 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,639 heard him arguing is he the best that they have 389 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,960 to offer? Okay, well, this is going to be a 390 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,599 lot of fun at looking forward to that debate next Monday, 391 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,159 So shout out for all the people joining me and 392 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480 not watching the super Hole. Of course, we know the 393 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,239 Superhole is faking gay. It is engineered to be faking 394 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,480 gay because our culture is toxic culture that is fake 395 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,920 and gay on purpose. Who has been saying that for 396 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,679 the last twenty years, Who wrote three giant books over 397 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,280 a thousand pages on our culture being toxically engineered. I 398 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,880 did now. Years ago there was an atheist channel that 399 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,519 had me on to do a debate. I don't think 400 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,599 that channel exists anymore. I remember the name of something 401 00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,800 like a Atheist Experience or something like that, and I'm 402 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,079 just remembering a debate there. This is probably seven or 403 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:40,800 eight years ago, and that guy debated me on esoteric Hollywood. Right, 404 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,360 So we took a little bit of a detour from 405 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,920 the standard atheist theist debate, and he wanted to do 406 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,280 a debate on whether or not esoteric Hollywood was the case. 407 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: Right. 408 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 6: I don't know if that video is still up, but 409 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,719 I would like to point out that I'm vindicated ten 410 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,119 years later on that video as well, because first of all, 411 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,039 he didn't actually read my book. I know, shocker, he 412 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,039 didn't read the book. He assumed that the book was 413 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:13,239 arguing that everything in Hollywood is a gigantic coordinated conspiracy 414 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,719 and that everyone is a Satanist and they're all eating babies. 415 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,800 Of course my book doesn't argue that. But let's see 416 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,840 if by chance this is still there. No way, it's 417 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,880 not Atheists Experience, because that's that's Matt Dillon monkey. It 418 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,719 was like dudes trying to compete with with Dila Monkey 419 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,880 to create an atheist channel, and the guy that they 420 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,719 had on the guy had debated, he ended up becoming 421 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:53,239 a big atheist channel. Let's see if we can find it. 422 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719 That channel imploded if you guys remember it, because they 423 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,719 had a huge money debacle between the two of them, 424 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,719 the two atheist that ran that channel. I can't remember 425 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:17,000 the name of that channel though. If anybody remembers it anyway, 426 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,239 it doesn't matter. But point being is that again, you know, 427 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,119 there was a specific debate even on this topic. The 428 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000 line it might have been the line. Let's see if 429 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,719 it was the line because the two one of the 430 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,199 guys was named. It was the guys that hosted the 431 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:42,559 Malpass debate. They had a separate debate channel thing, and 432 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,760 that's who it was. And then I debated there dude 433 00:37:50,400 --> 00:38:01,199 who ended up becoming a big atheist YouTuber guy. Anyway, 434 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,679 I don't know if that exists anymore, but I can 435 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,280 try to find it. I think I might have said 436 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,119 it in my archives somewhere. Anyway, Guys, I want to 437 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,039 support the stream, you could do so through superchats. Super 438 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,800 chats are done through stream labs. Is pin in the 439 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440 chat there. You can also send it a super chat 440 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,400 natively through YouTube if you would like. Welcome everybody who 441 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,599 got twenty two hundred live over on YouTube and we 442 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,880 got people piling into the Twitter space. There's the super 443 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,559 chats there. Today we're going to be reviewing Jeff Sin 444 00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:38,000 McCaffrey in terms of the Atheist Unstoppable. No, it was 445 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,079 a different It was two. 446 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,639 Speaker 4: Guys that had a. 447 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 6: One guy was a Navy nuclear sub guy. It's the 448 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,400 two guys that did the malpass discussion. So let me 449 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:02,119 see who those guys were. Non sequitur that was the show, 450 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,760 other types of sistant. Okay, so non sequitor. I don't 451 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,760 know does this still exist? So it looks like they're 452 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,719 still posting stuff. And uh so they even up to 453 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,360 a few months ago they were posting Derek mythvision stuff. Okay, 454 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,719 so let's say if they still have my Hollywood debate 455 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:40,840 up because I was vindicated, I was correct. All right, 456 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:49,280 let's just try searching my name. Oh, here it is. 457 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,679 It's still there, mister atheist, that's the guy. So here's 458 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,760 my debate seven eight years ago with mister atheist, and 459 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,920 lo and behold, here we are seven years later, the 460 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,800 Epsteine information has dumped massively, and who was correct? I was, 461 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:11,280 And again, what do you expect? Of course the guy 462 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,440 didn't read the book, but uh, mister atheists did become 463 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,840 a large YouTube channel. I don't know if he still 464 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,880 is doing stuff, but there is my eight year ago 465 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,599 debate with mister atheists. This, by the way, doesn't it doesn't. 466 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:27,480 It's very hard to find these Who is Jeff Say McAffrey. 467 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,280 I don't know. I never heard of him. He's he's 468 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,440 a mysterious character. Let's see if mister atheist is still 469 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:42,400 out here. Yes, he got up to three point fifty. 470 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:49,960 He's live right now. And they're calling out MAGA. Wow, edgy, dude, 471 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:55,840 imagine being an atheist calling out MAGA as if that's 472 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920 like some kind of like was that that wasn't even 473 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,760 edgy in twenty sixteen, dude, It's like everybody could see 474 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,719 that there were some pretty significant problems in MAGA. But 475 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,639 so that's where mister atheist is at. And again, you know, 476 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,599 Internet atheism has really been dying out the last eight 477 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,280 ten years, mainly because, as we said, it was kind 478 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,960 of a propped up thing in the domain of you know, 479 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:30,480 Reddit YouTube early on, and most of these people that 480 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,119 were sort of the face of it ended up being 481 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,159 i think exposed pretty much as suits, right, I mean, 482 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,599 most of these people were not really intellectual. And you've 483 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:46,639 got a few hangers on with Professor Dave. Professor Dave 484 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,159 and I guess Derek mythvision is an atheist agnostic. I 485 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,239 don't know, but you know, again, Derek is having a 486 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,000 hard time with losing a debate a year ago. So 487 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,960 it seems to me like the easiest thing to do, 488 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:08,199 if it was an unfair situation is to say, hey, okay, 489 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,679 come on a formal debate in a neutral setting. And 490 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,039 Derek said, no, we'll not do that. Okay, So there 491 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,239 we go. What does that tell you? By the way, 492 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,360 if tag is so stupid, if tag is such a bad, 493 00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,719 low tier argument, wouldn't it just be really easy for 494 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,559 these guys to come on a formal debate and to 495 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,679 refute it. I mean, it should be really easy, right, 496 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,199 But you know what they have to do is they 497 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,280 have to go to professors. They have to bring on 498 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,039 professors in their cope streams after the debates. Even Matt 499 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,159 dillamunkey to this. Remember he had to bring on Professor 500 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,440 Ozzy and somebody else because after our debate, he felt 501 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,239 like you didn't do very well. Now should we shift 502 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,280 gears over into Jeff Siy McCaffrey, because I'll give a 503 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,360 spot if anbody who's an atheist agnostic, if you're on 504 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,440 the Twitter space, raise your hand if you want to 505 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,880 call in. We'll try to hit a couple of these 506 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,000 before we go into Jeff sim McCaffrey. Now, we're gonna 507 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,280 have open calls all day. We're going to be covering 508 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480 the rest of the bandon eein interview because it's so bombshell. 509 00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,840 I know there's gonna be slow parts, some of us 510 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,840 a little boring. We're going to pick back up after 511 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,719 the first twenty minutes or so that we saw the 512 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,159 other night, and that'll help us, help us, I think, 513 00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,559 to move forward. We might put it on fast, you know, speed, 514 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,679 so that we get through it. Nicolas, what's up? Nicolas? 515 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 15: Do you think? 516 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 6: Yeah? What's up? Yeah? 517 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 16: Hey? 518 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:29,599 Speaker 21: Jay? 519 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,559 Speaker 16: I love to work. Yeah, I have a question for you. 520 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,519 Speaker 6: How do you not get as someone new to this stuff, 521 00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,119 how do you not get overtaken by Because I'm on 522 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,960 Twitter and I'm new to it, I'm seeing all. 523 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,599 Speaker 15: The slips of all these things, of the Bitanic rituals, 524 00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:48,519 How do I not get like. 525 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:50,679 Speaker 16: Something of that? 526 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 3: And then I want to remain bround? 527 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:52,679 Speaker 22: Did you know what I mean? 528 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, you go check out the Orthodox Church, and you 529 00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,599 start to go to the Orthodox Church, and you become 530 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,880 an inquirer and then a cat human And that's the 531 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,320 best defense against the reality of this kind of satanic 532 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,400 situation that we're in, because remember, you know, for many years, 533 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,400 I remember being depressed when I first came across this information. 534 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,039 In two thousand and three, I read the first book 535 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,519 I'd ever read on ritual abuse, William Kennedy's book, and 536 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,880 that kind of introduced me to the subject matter. I 537 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,679 found it to be very difficult, very dark, hard to accept, 538 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,920 and since that time I have studied it extensively. And 539 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,639 it's not all real. Obviously, there's a lot of dissentel 540 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,159 and there's fake stuff, and there's, you know, an element 541 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,880 of sensationalism to the Satanic panic, but there's also an 542 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,360 element of absolutely real, hardcore stuff that goes on, and yes, 543 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440 they throw it in people's faces as part of the 544 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,360 degrading of the population, A degraded demoralized population is much 545 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,199 easier to steer and to control. Thus, atheism and materialism, 546 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,360 as I've said for many, many years, are absolutely essential 547 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,039 the part of tyrannical regimes and deep state operators. They 548 00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,760 would love to have atheism and materialism promoted because it 549 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,239 debases the population. The population has no moral compass, they 550 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,360 have no objective standards to try to rein in the passions. 551 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,840 And what happens is you get a population control and 552 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880 steered by their passions. So when you see the leftists 553 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,440 and the Antifa and all these people out in the street, 554 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,559 this glob of you know, millions of people that have 555 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,639 this borg high mindset that are essentially a giant Gollumn creature. 556 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,920 That's exactly the way the Cabbalistic texts describe the debasing 557 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,320 and the controlling of the population. It's a technique that 558 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,719 can be used at a very sophisticated high level. And 559 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,199 as we see, as we're gonna see, because I saw 560 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:51,679 several sections of this interview over the last week, Jeffrey 561 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,360 Epstein is not a proponent of scientism. In fact, he's 562 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,079 apparently a proponent of cobbalism and perennialism and that's what 563 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,880 we're going to see, I think as we get through 564 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,400 this interview with Bannon here. But I would say, for example, 565 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,400 we saw last year's Olympic ceremony, which we covered extensively 566 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,920 on many, many large podcasts. We went into quite a 567 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,599 bit of depth about the intentional inversion of blasphemy in 568 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,920 those you know, trans version of the Last Supper all 569 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,480 this stuff. So yes, I would say, with with that 570 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,000 being the case last year with the Olympics, and when 571 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,320 we see inverted pentagrams this year, of course it's intentional. Right, 572 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,880 So how do I know? Well, because there's the last 573 00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:36,960 year's entire ceremony was intentionally about the French Revolution, the 574 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:43,000 bloodbath of you know, the Committee for Public Safety. That 575 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,320 was all shown in an artistic way explicitly in last 576 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,119 year's Olympic ceremony, and then they concluded with a trans 577 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,800 version of the Last Supper. So of course it was satanic. 578 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,920 Of course it was on purpose, and so of course 579 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,639 this would be as well. Now, we did podcasts ten 580 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,440 to fifteen years ago highlighting the satanic nature of a 581 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,920 lot of the Super Bowl ceremonies and the Super Bowl stuff, 582 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,960 and it turns out you've got even pop star musicians 583 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,840 essentially agring with us now saying yeah, that's true. For example, 584 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,960 if you guys saw the interview of the podcast that 585 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,239 Billy Corgan did recently from Smashing Pumpkins, he says, you 586 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,400 know a lot of these pop stars in their ceremonies 587 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,079 are more satanic, so to speak, than the you know, 588 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,840 so called heavy metal satanic panic stuff. And that's absolutely true. 589 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,400 I mean, you've got Lil nas X literally like but 590 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,760 humping the devil. I mean it's just or the double 591 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,639 humping him. So it's like, I mean, they're degrading the population. 592 00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,599 It's this is a known technique in psychological warfare and 593 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,159 non conventional warfare. You can degrade the opponent the opposition 594 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,039 through for example, sexual compromise. You know, when we did 595 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,960 our lectures on espionage, which I reposted the first half 596 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,679 of that the other day, by the way, if you 597 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:09,199 scroll down, we covered the historians text Sexpionage by Boer 598 00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:18,159 Bower Bower Boer, and we saw that there were many 599 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,800 instances in recent history, in the last several hundred years 600 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:28,039 where you had very perceptive military operators, agents, spies, on 601 00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,960 and on and on who had figured out that hey, 602 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,360 Wait a minute. If we set up a bunch of 603 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,280 for example, the case of Kenji Doihara, if we set 604 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,719 up a bunch of opium dens in China, and if 605 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,480 I set up a network of prostitutes that are trained 606 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:47,079 in Japan to be in those Chinese brothels, I can 607 00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:51,000 have the degrade of the population advanced intel because the 608 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,000 prostitutes are going to be my informants. And then once 609 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,400 everybody's addicted to opium, it's I'm all good, right. And 610 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,440 kenjud'hara was doing that before even the British Empire was 611 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,599 doing it, So Japan had figured that out as a 612 00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,760 technique even before the British had, at least in terms 613 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,519 of the way bowert outlines the history. Bower, excuse me, 614 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:18,199 where is that one at? Anyway, it's on my wall somewhere. 615 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,440 I'm not going to scroll to all that's trying to 616 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,559 find it. But if you go to my channel and 617 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,679 you type in sexpionage, it'll come up. It's one of 618 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,519 the more recent global elite lecture texts that we did. Now, 619 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,880 guess what turns out in the sphere of Jeff Stin McAffrey, 620 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,360 it's the exact same situation we have as Whitney webs 621 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,519 excellent book outlines from my publisher, all of the same 622 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,400 techniques and tactics that the British Empire was doing, largely 623 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,760 through a lot of the information that Lord Rochald had 624 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,960 figured out. That's exactly why Lord Rochald brought Robert Maxwell 625 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,159 into this operation, recruited him, and then got just laying 626 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,599 to train jeff Stein McCaffrey. So that's one confirmed. There's 627 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,679 no disputing that. That's all. Well, no, none of that 628 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,920 is even disputed. Guys, who want to sport the stream, 629 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,639 you can do so through super chats, super touch down, 630 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,360 through stream labs. Uh, that's not stream labs, but it's 631 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,079 Penn in the chat. I'm just pointing out that like 632 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,000 atheists lose on every front, dude, Like they try to 633 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:22,440 defend every establishment position, most of these normy atheists, and 634 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,239 by doing that they show that they're actually just NPCs, 635 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,440 Like they don't even they're not even against the establishment. 636 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,199 That's why they have to resort to, well, let's stream 637 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,920 against manga, as if that's some kind of like edgy 638 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:44,079 thing disciple. Derek, what's up. We're going to read a 639 00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:47,639 little few proverbs for our daily dose of wisdom before 640 00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,000 we get into the Jeff stiin McCaffrey text, what's up, man, 641 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:50,519 I'm you. 642 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:52,559 Speaker 16: For sure? 643 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,599 Speaker 23: So I do a lot of End Times eschatology, difficult 644 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,960 dissection and Mike, my question is you know you're talking 645 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,480 about the rule of Satan. We clearly see that Donald 646 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,760 Trump was exalted as the Prince of Peace by the 647 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,719 Israel Heritage Foundation. Jerusalem Post refers to him as the 648 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,800 Savior of Israel. 649 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,679 Speaker 6: We're not doing it. No, Donald Trump is not the Antichrist. 650 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,679 It's too stupid. Don't stop it up my string, dude, 651 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,679 Come on, Jamie, would you make another expresso? 652 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,039 Speaker 7: Thank you? 653 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,159 Speaker 6: No stupiding up the stream today. Zero tolerance for retardation, 654 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,000 immediately gonna boot you. You better have a good topic 655 00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:34,199 or a good question. What's up man? Thank you, babe, 656 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:40,480 appreciate that. I'm going to What up, dog? I'm mute. 657 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,079 I'll fight you naked. I'm mute. Oh hey, hey, what's up? 658 00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,800 Speaker 16: I just wanted to say that I'm I was a 659 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,320 part of the new atheist movement. 660 00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,280 Speaker 6: Oh you're a new atheist? Okay, yeah, and I. 661 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,159 Speaker 24: Still call myself a non believer. But some of the 662 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,599 things that are now associated with that movement. I mean, 663 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,920 it's just basically the whole thing just went woke. 664 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 16: It was insane. 665 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:10,599 Speaker 7: Yeah, it is. 666 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,199 Speaker 6: Well, that is interesting. I remember back when I first 667 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:18,239 started debating atheists in twenty fifteen sixteen, ironically, a lot 668 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,679 of the even the YouTube atheist sphere of people were 669 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,280 not woke, and so I think that there was probably 670 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:31,599 some move or decision high up, probably to try to 671 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,079 turn it into just another mouthpiece for woke. 672 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 17: Overall. 673 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,760 Speaker 24: I'd just say, like, I don't consider Christians enemies anymore, 674 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,679 even though I don't believe. But where that whole thing 675 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,679 seemed to turn was when Dawkins started getting accusations, or 676 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:50,239 at least. 677 00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:51,800 Speaker 6: That's what I noticed it first, at least. 678 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,599 Speaker 24: But it was really disturbing to watch everybody who claimed 679 00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,880 to be this irrational person who's above it all start 680 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,519 doing that religious woke thing. 681 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 6: Are you saying that when they came after Dawkins because 682 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,000 he wasn't woke enough, or you saying that Dawkins went woke? 683 00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:09,880 What are you referring to? 684 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 3: Uh? 685 00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 16: They kind of they started doing the me too. 686 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,280 Speaker 6: Didn't they meet to him? 687 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:17,639 Speaker 7: Yeah? 688 00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,079 Speaker 6: They tried to meet to Dawkins, right, Yeah. 689 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:24,679 Speaker 24: That was sort of one of the tactics employed by 690 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,239 the woke elements that started kind of taking things over. 691 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,159 Speaker 16: And then it was just a question of. 692 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 6: Whether or not you got whether or. 693 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 16: Not you decided joining bushes with those people, or. 694 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,519 Speaker 24: Whether or not you just stopped being a part of 695 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:44,320 those functions. They sort of took over the the speaking circuit, 696 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,719 which is where the thought leadership was. 697 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 6: Good point, and uh, we also got the dark Enlightenment 698 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:58,239 people popping up at the same time. Good point. Yeah. 699 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,599 I remember even a few my ago seeing us in 700 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,360 the atheists sphere, various people talking about how they were 701 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,320 like the left atheists, saying, we've got to make sure 702 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,599 that we don't let anybody who's not a left atheist 703 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,760 into our public atheism sphere. So that's still going on 704 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,280 to make sure that it's all woke, and that's by design, 705 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440 and I think a lot of this Jeff Stain mcgeffrey 706 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,880 stuff points in that direction. Keep in mind too, that 707 00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,320 it's not just the atheism sphere. I think there's a 708 00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:34,519 real parallel with what's happening over the years on four chan, 709 00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:40,920 the connections to Epstein just laying Maxwell at radit the 710 00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:45,079 atheism that's being pushed so hard throughout those outlets, degrading 711 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:48,519 and debasing the population, particularly that generation of millennial and 712 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,880 younger millennial and Gen Z to be raised in just 713 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:57,199 absolute degeneracy, to brutalize in the base of public. Now, 714 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,920 if you think that doesn't exist, I would remind you 715 00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:12,360 that there's a great clip of BB and you might 716 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,239 be surprised to hear BB saying this, but not if 717 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,960 you're used to my channel, you would not be surprised 718 00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:28,920 because BB understood twenty four or five years ago and 719 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,639 even in the nineties, how to debase a population and 720 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,400 how to exert soft power through pop culture. The very 721 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,360 thing that I wrote my books about that people for 722 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,199 so many years, so many decades, when the articles before 723 00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,599 the books, people call me crazy, timpul hat, oh you're so, 724 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:48,039 You're just a piece of shit, you're trash or this 725 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,480 or that. Just thousands and thousands of people. Well here's 726 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,760 not Yahoo in two thousand and two talking about the 727 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,719 very thing that I discussed in my books. 728 00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 25: Just see it was even changed at least I would 729 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:01,559 any just as I would like to see in Iraq. 730 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,840 The question now is a practical question, what is the 731 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,159 best place to proceed. It's not a question of whether 732 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,880 Iraq's regime should be taken out, but when should it 733 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000 be taken out. It's not a question of whether you'd 734 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,320 like to see a regime change in Iran, but how 735 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,400 to achieve it. Iran has something that Iraq doesn't have. 736 00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,079 Iran has, for example, two hundred and fifty thousand satellite dishes. 737 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,119 It has the internet use. I once said to the 738 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,719 chair the heads of the CIA when I was Prime 739 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,159 Minister that if you want to advance regime change in Iran, 740 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,559 you don't have to go through the CIA cloak and 741 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:35,320 dagger stuff. 742 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 6: What you want to do is. 743 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,639 Speaker 25: Is take very large, very strong transponders and just being 744 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,519 Melroe's Place and Beverly Hills two five oh and all 745 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:52,559 that into Tehran and into Iran. Because that is subversive stuff. 746 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,440 They watch it, The young kids watch it. The young people. 747 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,320 They want to have the same nice clothes at the 748 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,760 same houses, swimming pools and so on. And that is 749 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,360 something that is available in forces internal forces of dissension 750 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,280 that are available in Iran, which is paradoxically probably the 751 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,840 most open society in. 752 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 6: That part of the world. 753 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,719 Speaker 25: It is a lot more open than Iraq, which is 754 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,320 probably the most close society out earth, and therefore you 755 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:28,760 have no ability to foment this kind of dynamic inside Iraq. 756 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,920 So the question now is choose you can beam Melrose place. 757 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,079 But it may take a long time. On the other hand, 758 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:42,519 if you take out Saddam Saddam's regime, I guarantee you 759 00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:47,159 that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region. 760 00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:50,840 And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, 761 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,679 young people and many others will say the time of 762 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,119 such regimes, of such just bots is gone. There is 763 00:57:58,159 --> 00:57:59,760 a new age, something new is happening. 764 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,440 Speaker 6: So he's talking about what's called soft power. 765 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:02,679 Speaker 1: There. 766 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 6: This is a idea pioneered from Kennedy School. This is 767 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,679 Joseph Nye who wrote the famous paper and then book 768 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,039 on soft power. This is Council on Foreign Relations level stuff. 769 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,280 We have done talks on the Joseph Nice's material and 770 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,679 his information for years. Of course, nobody listens to that. 771 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,119 That's too boring. You've got to watch your sports hole today. 772 00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:29,360 But if you want to understand the real levers of power, 773 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,639 you would be listening to what I talk about with 774 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,039 soft power and Joseph Nie, and that's exactly what he's 775 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,039 talking about here. Back in two thousand and two, you 776 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,679 understood that the power of Hollywood and pop culture is 777 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,199 much more effective than tanks and regime change and all that. Now, 778 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,480 that doesn't mean they won't resort to that, But there 779 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:54,360 you go. There's that from your boy, Bibie. What's up? 780 00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:00,239 Speaker 1: Noah? Uh? 781 00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:06,559 Speaker 16: I tried to call in yesterday but didn't work. 782 00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 6: What's on your mind? 783 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:07,519 Speaker 1: Dog? 784 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 26: Uh? 785 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:10,519 Speaker 21: So? 786 00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 16: I found an. 787 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 2: Interesting thing in the files that I think is something 788 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,920 you've talked about before and in some confirmation. 789 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,119 Speaker 16: I don't think you've seen it yet. Okay, So it's Epstein. 790 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,440 Speaker 2: It's actually this guy named Gino U who's like a 791 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,159 Chinese professor. 792 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, the stage three I covered? 793 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:29,159 Speaker 20: That? 794 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: Was it? 795 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,039 Speaker 2: The thing about constructed realities digital realities? 796 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 1: Uh? 797 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,599 Speaker 6: No, I'm talking about the one where he talks about 798 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,239 he's spotted a girl that he thinks could be useful 799 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,159 for Epstein, who's quote stage three in the process. Is 800 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:46,000 this a separate one? 801 00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:46,719 Speaker 16: Oh? 802 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: Right? 803 00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:48,679 Speaker 10: So yeah, so it is this guy. 804 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,519 Speaker 2: So this guy talks to him about a bunch of 805 00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:54,199 this kind of quote like wu wu. Yeah, but this 806 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,719 is actually interesting it's more about the idea of like 807 00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:02,519 using digital realities like constructed video. 808 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 16: Games to analyze people's decisions and. 809 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Predict their their worldview in order to make predictions about 810 01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:14,559 what they would do in the future. And it's kind 811 01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:18,079 of I think what you've talked about before, like with 812 01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,599 social media, when you control the inputs, you can also 813 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:22,599 predict the outputs. 814 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's feedback loop. Yeah, so that's exactly. Yeah, Minds 815 01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:30,679 of Men. That documentary goes into that from how Norbert 816 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,239 Wiener kind of pioneered that idea of feedback loops and 817 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,119 mastering reality through you know, DARPA style, you know future 818 01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,440 actually predicted technology and all that. Yeah, we talked to that. 819 01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:47,239 That's also in foundation. If you're head Asimov, which we've 820 01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,519 done streams on Asimov before. Shout out to the live audience. 821 01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,760 We've got almost three thousand, some of my first three 822 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,519 thousand live audience, I think without any big dumps from 823 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,519 big channels at least, I don't think anybody did a 824 01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:06,079 big dump. So shout out to Jake or Crucible if 825 01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:08,239 they did, but I didn't see it if they did. 826 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,199 So we're going to hit three thousand on my first 827 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,400 line now, this Greiper over here says there's no emotion 828 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:19,000 on Dyer's channel, there's no motion. He can't get anything. 829 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:24,480 Oh really, We hit three thousand live this week, twenty 830 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,679 to twenty five thousand total on each of these live streams, 831 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,280 and the five hour live streams of Getting aywhere from 832 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,480 forty to fifty thousand views, as well as several hundred 833 01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:38,000 thousand clips on X and then my channel just this 834 01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,320 week gained five thousand subscribers on YouTube and I think 835 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,719 I gained three to four thousand on X. So I 836 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,440 would say there's a little bit of motion. There's some 837 01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:53,119 motion in this ocean, baby, don't don't hate the player, 838 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,199 hate the game. How's it go? Anyway? All right, let's 839 01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:02,320 get into jeff Simon, Jeffrey Uh if any last calls 840 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,719 here on anything else, Michael, what I'll do? What's up? 841 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,199 Speaker 7: My wigger? 842 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:10,559 Speaker 16: Hey? 843 01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 10: Jay? 844 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,039 Speaker 16: Hey? I uh? 845 01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 15: I just so, I I kind of helped to break 846 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,440 the story of the Epstein story back in twenty sixteen. 847 01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:20,679 Speaker 7: Or wherever it was. 848 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,000 Speaker 15: But I wrote an article for the uh, the American Conservative, 849 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,360 and I got a call from Tucker Carlson's producer, El 850 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,360 Dad you're on, asking me to come on to talk 851 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,760 about it, and so I say, cool, that was all right. 852 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,559 Speaker 7: So I uh so they you know, I was. 853 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 15: Driving into the to the station and uh and he 854 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,079 called me again. He said, he said, I just wanted 855 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,639 to make a request. I said, what's that. He said, 856 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,960 don't talk about Trump. Don't talk about the Trump connection. 857 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:46,119 The audience doesn't want. 858 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 20: To hear that. 859 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 16: And uh, I was pretty new to you know, to 860 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:50,519 the scene. 861 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 9: So I just, you know, I was Tucker Carlson's an 862 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,840 iam Fox News. So I agreed. I didn't go on. 863 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:55,960 Speaker 6: I I didn't. 864 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,239 Speaker 9: Uh, I didn't talk about it. 865 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 15: But then, you know, like it was six months ago, 866 01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,880 the Epstein files quote unquote breaks again, right, and everyone's saying, oh, 867 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,800 it's Trump and the Epstein files and say, well, of 868 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,760 course Trump's in the EPs. 869 01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:09,159 Speaker 16: I was blown away. 870 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:13,039 Speaker 15: I couldn't believe it, because, you know, I think anyone 871 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,000 that's been paying attention to that Trump was all over 872 01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:18,000 the Epsteam files. But you know, mainstream media, rights right 873 01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:21,920 wing media was running interference for Trump. Hart I mean 874 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,320 to the point where most people didn't realize that he 875 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,000 was friends with Jeffrey Epstein because that was all suppressed 876 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:28,559 so hard. 877 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:33,719 Speaker 6: But the story started to break. Well, I don't know 878 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,840 about all that that. I'm not faulting you, but like 879 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:41,159 I interviewed the person who broke the story way before 880 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,519 twenty sixteen, Nick Bryant. Nick Bryant was doing the STUF 881 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:46,000 back in the two thousands. So what do you mean 882 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,360 you broke it? Yeah, so I misspoked. 883 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 15: I guess it was when it really kind of like 884 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000 started to become mainstream, not to just when it was 885 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,039 so I guess, yeah, misspoke. 886 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,239 Speaker 9: We were helping to amplify it, and. 887 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 15: It was, you know, thank good it is making it 888 01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:04,280 started to make it started to get some traction because 889 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,119 you know, it's it's it's the. 890 01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:08,480 Speaker 6: Big it's But I guess I'm just I'm trying to say, is. 891 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 9: Like I think, but people aren't really black built enough. 892 01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 15: Even the people that are getting black built now, they're 893 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,320 not black built enough. Because this is like this has 894 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,159 been They've been Trump They've been, you know, actively covering 895 01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:21,960 this up for I mean for for decades. 896 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:23,199 Speaker 6: This has been well known. 897 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 15: And then but even the you know, even the the 898 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,360 biggest organs of power like Fox News, like the White 899 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,719 House have been have been have been covering this up. 900 01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:36,800 Speaker 6: Well, I think it was definitely a mistake for Trump 901 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,159 to cover up for the intelligence agencies. I think Lord 902 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:46,159 Voldemort is correct about that analysis. But you know, there 903 01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,960 may have been potential legal threats that they could have 904 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,199 to undergo. I don't know, but I yeah, I mean 905 01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:59,039 I still want to you know, I hope that the 906 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:02,079 president isn't implicated. I know that he's close. He was 907 01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,559 close to in New Epstein. But you do have emails 908 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:07,599 where Epstein says I couldn't get Trump to get a massage. 909 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,679 He says to Wolf, we got to get rid of Trump, 910 01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:14,719 p at tressure on pressure on Trump. You know, where 911 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,239 is the I'm not saying that there's not, but we 912 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,480 need to see the actual, like hardcore information that does 913 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,159 implicate Trump. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. I'm 914 01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:26,159 just simply saying that we've seen a lot of fake 915 01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:30,400 AI stuff. My main criticism of Trump has been the 916 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,599 the warp speed, the bloomer dum, and the sort of 917 01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:37,199 just doing whatever Israel wants. I think those are major 918 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,360 points of criticism. Uh So, it's not I'm not a 919 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,280 like a Maga cult person who doesn't have a problem. 920 01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:48,679 I'm post politics. I've been I've been post party politics 921 01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:53,199 since Ron Paul Era, dude. But so now we've got 922 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,199 Lucas Gage going crazy talking shit. He's so glad that 923 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:04,800 they uh have refuted me. And this guy is really unhinged. 924 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,880 He's constantly sort of going off on everybody. Everybody's a grifter, 925 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:16,320 everybody's bag because he's the greatest champion of anti Israel stuff. 926 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,159 And you know when he's called in, the two or 927 01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:21,719 three times that he's called in over here, I've been 928 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,880 kind and tried to explain philosophical concepts to him, and 929 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,360 he has no idea what they are, what they mean. 930 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,519 And these are people who are way overconfident in their 931 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:35,920 skill sets and their abilities. 932 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:36,159 Speaker 1: Right. 933 01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:40,159 Speaker 6: Think about professor Dave. Okay, we have a mid tier 934 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,000 what does he have, like a TV VCR repair background 935 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:51,320 with the community college that he taught at. He says 936 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,599 it was a trade university. Yeah, trade universities where you 937 01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:58,039 get like your HVAC tv VCR repair certification. So he 938 01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:03,440 taught there. Okay, Wow, that's that's really profound. Lucas Gage, 939 01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:08,599 then a way, overestimates his capabilities. He thinks he's a philosopher, 940 01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:10,039 and you remember when he called in, he was. 941 01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,599 Speaker 4: Like, oh, it was Christianity stuff. Why do you just 942 01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:16,159 talk about like, uh, like now we're all one, like 943 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,760 everything is like buddhas onever. 944 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 6: It's that level. Okay, So we're dealing with people that 945 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,360 are this level. They think that science is like a religion, right, 946 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,400 so when we talk about scientism, that's what we mean. 947 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,599 And I'll bet your money that guy won't come over 948 01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:34,960 here in debate because you know, most of these people 949 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:39,920 are just we live in a situation where people have 950 01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,199 not been educated. That's a big part of it. But 951 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,079 even with a lot of information, even with an Internet 952 01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:49,559 at your fingertips that has basically you know, the world's 953 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,840 the world's information at your fingertips, people are not being educated. 954 01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:00,239 They're actually getting stupider, they're becoming less educated. I will 955 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,400 bet you anybody in this chat, I'll bet you one 956 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,599 hundred dollars that if we can get Luca's gauge on 957 01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,360 here and we can get him to engage, lucas engaged, 958 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,719 I will bet you he doesn't know anything about logical 959 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,479 orgmentation fallacies. He can't tell you the three laws of logic. 960 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,880 I bet you couldn't take you couldn't do any of 961 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,199 that so let's see if we can get him to 962 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,720 come to debate. I've asked multiple times here for him 963 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,159 to come on. Hop on. He's hopped on in the past. 964 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,279 And uh, I think people think that like just shit 965 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,800 talking is going to be some kind of like I 966 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,640 think they think it's like a a replacement for actual engagement. 967 01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:44,239 And that makes sense in a reddit four chan debased 968 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,039 and degraded society. So you've got a whole generation of 969 01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:51,800 people have been degraded and brutalized and what does Charles 970 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,640 Carroll say, mind graped, and so they're not able to 971 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:05,079 reason through things with an educated understanding. They all, for example, 972 01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:09,000 will cite peer review papers as the peer review papers 973 01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,960 are approved. Well, peerview papers might be an evidence, but 974 01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:16,119 we also know that peerview papers oftentimes contain fraudulent research 975 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:20,760 and fraudulent data and conclusions. Even one of their want 976 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,680 to be new atheist luminaries, James Lindsay, made a name 977 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,880 for himself on Joe Rogan by exposing the fraudulent nature 978 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,279 of those peer viewed networks. So even their own call 979 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:37,119 this out right. We saw the Lancet, one of the 980 01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,399 premier medical journals in the world, right out of the UK. 981 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,920 The Lancet had a famous paper which I've cited countless 982 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,119 times years ago, saying that uppers of fifty percent peer 983 01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:51,119 review papers are actually fraudulent, and they called it a crisis, 984 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,039 a crisis of trying to remember the terminologies, like a 985 01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:03,199 crisis of faith, which is ironic something like that. Okay, cool, 986 01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:06,439 So then it should be easy for these people to 987 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:12,880 demonstrate at a very basic, you know, rudimentary level, the 988 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,399 flaws in our reasoning, and they ought to have much 989 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,119 more convincing, significant answers as to why we ought to 990 01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:25,840 believe their position. But you know what's wild is that 991 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,680 every time we bring them on and we ask them 992 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,560 very basic questions about justification, why, what are the good 993 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,119 reasons to believe or position? What are the fallacies that 994 01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,840 I'm committing, they don't know anything. And you just heard 995 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:46,159 Professor Dave say, oh, it's it's what I say. 996 01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 21: It is. 997 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,720 Speaker 6: Shut up, Jim Bob, it's what I say. Let's listen 998 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:50,239 to this again. 999 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,680 Speaker 17: And so why would I Why would I listen to 1000 01:10:57,079 --> 01:11:00,800 sounds coming from a purposeless brain because I'm right? 1001 01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:05,239 Speaker 6: So this is all you get from these ucations. And 1002 01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,439 at the end of the day. It's just pure arrogance. 1003 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,600 It's t dump level saying reality is reality is true 1004 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,800 because I say it's true. No actual argumentation, and they 1005 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,439 don't even understand the argument that you're making. Jumbob is 1006 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,039 making a devastating disteleology argument. What does that mean? It 1007 01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:26,760 means that at a macro level, at a universal level, 1008 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,880 if there's no purpose to anything in reality, then there 1009 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,720 isn't really purpose at all. Purpose is kind of an illusory, 1010 01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:37,680 sort of localized temporal thing that in the big, big scale, 1011 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,000 is meaningless. And Dave says, yeah, my brain is meaningless 1012 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,119 and purposeless. Well, guess what if your brain is meaningless 1013 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:52,560 and purposeless it's non purposive, then that means that your 1014 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:58,399 statements are non purposive and meaningless. So atheists are literally saying, 1015 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:04,000 my actual worldview means that my life, my arguments, and 1016 01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:08,359 my sentences are meaningless and retarded, purposelessness and just bubblings 1017 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:13,520 up of chemical reactions that have no significance. But also, 1018 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,159 by the way, I'm my own god and we're evolving 1019 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:24,399 to become transhumanist god beings. So note the absolute insanity 1020 01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:29,680 of the presuppositional level contradiction in their world views. Their 1021 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,800 world views at a fundamental level are so contradictory that 1022 01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:38,479 when they get actually pinned and called out, they have 1023 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,119 a melt down and they just go absolutely batshit, insaying, 1024 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,960 going after me, they have to call out my wife? Right, 1025 01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:47,960 that's how shitty these people are, like they have to 1026 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,800 go after Jamie and their videos because they are degraded 1027 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,359 and debased goblins. And then when you ask them to 1028 01:12:54,399 --> 01:13:00,359 actually do a public debate, they won't do it. Remember, 1029 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,319 one of my best arguments is the half nug argument. 1030 01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:06,279 I think this is a good one. So remember that 1031 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:12,199 the mutations occur and they progress from generation to generation 1032 01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:16,359 when they're advantageous. Interesting, what is the advantage of one 1033 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,920 eighth of a PP? The nub? Right? The nub argument. Now, 1034 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,880 I know a lot of these people have a micro 1035 01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:24,359 penis problem, and that's probably why they identify with it. 1036 01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:26,960 They understand what it's like to have a micro pep, 1037 01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:28,520 and so I think they want to feel like they 1038 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,640 were they had a purpose in the evolutionary chain. My 1039 01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:36,800 atheist reddit micropp did have a purpose. My nub had 1040 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,239 a purpose, I promise you. Although wait a minute, Da've 1041 01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:45,319 just said there's not actually any purpose. Somebody said, Dave 1042 01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:47,600 is the final boss of Reddit. We thought it was 1043 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,800 just laying, but it's actually Dave because he has a big, 1044 01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:59,479 big brain and a big nose. So interesting. Somebody in 1045 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,960 the comments said that because after his video he sent 1046 01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,800 a bunch of his atheist goblins to comment. Somebody said, 1047 01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,119 fuck around with a brain and find out, and I 1048 01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:10,439 was like, it would have been so much better if 1049 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,680 you said fucking around with the nose and find out. Rachel, 1050 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:15,359 what's up? Rachel? 1051 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 16: Hey, I just wanted to let you know I sent 1052 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,720 you to your inbox. 1053 01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:30,159 Speaker 27: Me explaining to Derek on the timeline here why we 1054 01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:32,000 have to debate the worldview. 1055 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,159 Speaker 16: First, because you can't just interpret anything whether it's a 1056 01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:36,760 text or history. 1057 01:14:37,079 --> 01:14:41,640 Speaker 27: Or anything else until you because you have to interpret 1058 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,479 those things through a worldview. If the worldview is incoherent, 1059 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,279 you're going to get the wrong interpretation. And his response 1060 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,640 is pretty hilarious. 1061 01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 16: So I thought you might be interested in that, and 1062 01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:54,960 tell Jamie don't worry about the people. 1063 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,039 Speaker 27: That attack her, because this is what these idiots do. 1064 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,960 When they can't punch our husbands, they punch uh like 1065 01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:04,560 it's It's exactly like if they were standing next to 1066 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,079 you and Jamie, and they're too scared to punch you 1067 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:08,760 in the face, so they just turn and punch your 1068 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,039 wise in the face. Happens to me like constantly with Andrew, 1069 01:15:12,079 --> 01:15:15,439 where people are too scared to like go after him directly, so. 1070 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,319 Speaker 16: They just attack me. 1071 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,359 Speaker 6: So yeah, well it's interesting. Yeah, I appreciate that, Rachel. 1072 01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:22,079 I mean I try to tell Jamie that too, is 1073 01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:24,159 like these are not intellectuals, but I don't worry about it, 1074 01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,640 like these are these are suits and this is what 1075 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,319 suits do. But you know, if they were looking for 1076 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,840 me to offer a debate, I guess they achieved that, 1077 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,560 and but I don't think they're going to do it 1078 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,560 except for Gnostic informant. However, we got a whole week 1079 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,199 for gnostic Informant to come up with an excuse as 1080 01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,199 to why he can't do a debate next Monday on 1081 01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:46,720 the Crucible. Shout out to the Crucible into Rachel and Andrew. 1082 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,319 The debate will be over there at the Crucial Monday night. 1083 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,479 I think we said in nine or something, nine or eight, 1084 01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:56,640 it'll be up. We'll have a we'll have the all 1085 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,439 that posted all week long. What's up, John, what's on 1086 01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:59,840 your mind? 1087 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,279 Speaker 3: I was gonna read something from Propaganda by Jacques Lull. 1088 01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,880 Speaker 6: Okay, is it really long or short? 1089 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 16: I'll all stir it up a bit. 1090 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,880 Speaker 21: But basically in light of what you were just talking about, 1091 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,319 and it says that the state can no longer govern 1092 01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:25,760 without the masses, which nowadays are closely involved in politics. 1093 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,239 Speaker 3: But these masses of people. 1094 01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:29,960 Speaker 16: Are composed of individuals, and from. 1095 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,359 Speaker 3: The point of the view, the problem is slightly different. 1096 01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:36,039 They're interested in politics and consider themselves concerned with politics, 1097 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,920 even if they are not forced to participate actively. 1098 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,039 Speaker 16: Because they live in a democracy, and they. 1099 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,560 Speaker 3: Embrace politics as soon as somebody wants to take the 1100 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,000 democratic regime away from them. But this presents them with 1101 01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:52,000 a problem that are way over their heads. They're faced 1102 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,239 with choices and decision with which demand maturity, knowledge, and 1103 01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:58,720 a range of information which which they do not and 1104 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,000 cannot have. And elections are limited to the selection of individuals, 1105 01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:06,680 which reduces the problem participation to its simplest form. The 1106 01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:11,159 individual wishes to participate in other ways than just elections. 1107 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,920 He wants to be conversant with economic questions, in fact. 1108 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,439 Speaker 21: His government asks him to be. He wants to form 1109 01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,600 an opinion on foreign policy, but he can't. 1110 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:24,119 Speaker 3: He is caught between his desire and his inability, which 1111 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:28,079 he refuses to accept, for no citizen will believe that 1112 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:29,960 he is unable to have opinions. 1113 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:32,279 Speaker 21: And then. 1114 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:36,319 Speaker 6: Is that from his propaganda book? 1115 01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:40,479 Speaker 21: Yeah, and then it just says the majority prefers expressing 1116 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,319 stupidities to not expressing any opinion at all. 1117 01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:50,840 Speaker 6: Wow, that's very perceptive. How applicable to the reddit brain 1118 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,840 reddit sphere? Is that right there? That's crazy? Yeah, that's 1119 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:58,319 the classic tax from Jocket Lowell on propaganda, which I've 1120 01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:00,000 got over there. We need to do that book sometimes, 1121 01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,479 I'm in the near future. Thank you for that. John. 1122 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,920 Now I'm hoping we can get Lucas Gage to come 1123 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,680 over here. So if you guys would tweet at him 1124 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,199 and tell him to come in here, because he's popped 1125 01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:11,279 in over here and tried to, you know, discuss and 1126 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,039 in a civil way argue religion and theology. He was 1127 01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:17,039 trying to tell me why. 1128 01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:21,439 Speaker 5: Got the Buddhisms, like the Buddhism and the God or 1129 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,520 whatever is like everything. 1130 01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:26,560 Speaker 6: Is the God or whatever. It's really profound stuff from 1131 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,319 these people. And I'm thinking from we're going to get 1132 01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:34,640 the same thing from a gnostic informant, because gnostic informant 1133 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:40,680 says he's a he's an Aristotelian monist, okay, which Aristota 1134 01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,159 was a dualist famously. So I don't think he's going 1135 01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:46,479 to do too well not knowing these basic ideas. But 1136 01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:49,640 this is what you get with. You know, we live 1137 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:55,920 in a situation where people way overestimate their capabilities and 1138 01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:59,560 they think that because they've learned one discipline that that 1139 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,840 docipline then gives them sort of the key, the master 1140 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,439 key to every discipline. Now we saw that for example 1141 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,800 with JF. If you remember the first big atheist debate 1142 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,159 that we did well, second we did out of co Cache, 1143 01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:18,079 and then we did JF. JF thought that his capabilities 1144 01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:21,279 in neuroscience qualified and he even says stuff like the 1145 01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:24,439 end the debate like qualified him for everything. And then 1146 01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,680 when I start bringing into sort of basic logical fallacies 1147 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,960 and you know, contradictions and flaws, he gets angry, basically 1148 01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,640 almost rage, quits the debate, almost booted me before I said, 1149 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,920 you know, all right, all right, you know fine, let's 1150 01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:42,680 let's I'll chill out, as he was about to boot 1151 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,520 me from the debate. But my point is that we 1152 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,680 get that with these people, right, people that are a 1153 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,840 lot of these scientism bros. A lot of people coming 1154 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,359 out of like, you know, one discipline. They did their 1155 01:19:54,399 --> 01:19:57,760 gridework in one discipline, and they think that they're like literally, 1156 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,560 I've seen this so many times. They think that their 1157 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,359 experts in every arena. And the same thing happens ironically 1158 01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,720 with MMA bros. 1159 01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:06,279 Speaker 16: Right. 1160 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,119 Speaker 6: Uh, We've had several people who come out of the 1161 01:20:10,359 --> 01:20:13,960 mm A sphere. Uh, they get really hyped up into 1162 01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:16,600 talking shit about everything and everybody else, and then they 1163 01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,199 think that because they did Brazilian jiu jitsu that they're 1164 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:26,600 like somehow master debaters more like just master rebaters. Yeah, 1165 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,600 good one, dude, I've heard that joke a zillion Times's 1166 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,279 not a master debater, he's a master vader who wants to. 1167 01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,159 Lucas is here. He's gonna set it straight because we're 1168 01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:43,960 a science denier. Uh, oh, science denier. What's up, Lucas? 1169 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,840 You want to I'm mute, Lucas you want to i' mute. 1170 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,279 Speaker 22: Sorry, it's that low IQ of mine, mean to myself, 1171 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,239 it's that redditier iq. 1172 01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:03,720 Speaker 16: Uh, yeah, you summoned me for some reason. What's going on? 1173 01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,119 Speaker 6: Well, you summoned me because you said that you're glad 1174 01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,720 that I was exposed as a suit. So how am 1175 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:10,239 I sued? 1176 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:11,560 Speaker 16: No? 1177 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,760 Speaker 22: I posted that video because everyone it was Professor Dave, 1178 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,880 which is a left wing ship lib as everyone knows. 1179 01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:20,880 Speaker 16: And then myth vision, who I don't talk to. I 1180 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,560 don't know who he is. And then what's his name? 1181 01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:23,960 Speaker 10: Neil? 1182 01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 16: So I just liked the I don't like the science denial? 1183 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,199 Speaker 6: So I know that you guys, where do I deny science? 1184 01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:31,840 What's that? Where did I deny science? 1185 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,760 Speaker 16: Well? I mean you do think evolution's faking gay? 1186 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,760 Speaker 22: Aren't you also a Young Earth creationist? 1187 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,399 Speaker 6: So hold on? So evolutionary theory is the same thing 1188 01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:40,960 as science. 1189 01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:46,840 Speaker 22: I'm saying that you don't agree with evolutionary biology. 1190 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,279 Speaker 6: Right, I don't agree with macro evolution. 1191 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,640 Speaker 22: No, But if you understand that what microevolution is over 1192 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,920 time is what you call macro revolution, that's what you 1193 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:55,760 guys have to understand. 1194 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,720 Speaker 6: The second, No, I do understand that, But how do 1195 01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,960 you prove that? Where's the that's an assertion. Where's the 1196 01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:00,680 proof of that? 1197 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,079 Speaker 16: We have speciations. 1198 01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:04,159 Speaker 22: I'm not an expert in evolution, so I can't tell 1199 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,279 you every single species. I know there's this ring there's 1200 01:22:07,359 --> 01:22:10,479 a ring species in California of salamanders. 1201 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,000 Speaker 16: There's things like that. There's bacteria that evolves. 1202 01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:15,119 Speaker 6: We see it all the you want, we see it 1203 01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:17,840 all the time. Have you observed that? Because science is 1204 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:18,880 an imperialive. 1205 01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,319 Speaker 16: Have you observed your great great great grandmother? 1206 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,359 Speaker 6: Exactly? It's an empirical domain. So if you haven't observed it, 1207 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,119 then how do we know that that's actually the case? 1208 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 16: Because listen, you could art. Look when you see. 1209 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,520 Speaker 22: Here's the thing about science, it makes a prediction, then 1210 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,720 we confirm the prediction. 1211 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,960 Speaker 16: So if they even when you. 1212 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,199 Speaker 22: Go back in time and see fossis if if this, 1213 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,479 if this is true, is evolution is true, we should 1214 01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:40,560 have transitional fossils. 1215 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,720 Speaker 16: There's millions of them. Like what, that's the thing. It 1216 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:44,439 makes a prediction. 1217 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,560 Speaker 6: Where is this evidence that you're you're making all these 1218 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,079 assertions and I'm asking. 1219 01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:51,239 Speaker 16: There fossils you wear the fossil record. 1220 01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:54,479 Speaker 6: I'm not seen a fossil that shows the millions of 1221 01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:55,680 transitions that you're talking about. 1222 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,920 Speaker 16: Where is it You're not going to see millions of transitions. 1223 01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,600 Speaker 6: You just said we do see that. Now you're saying 1224 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,159 we don't have mili we have. 1225 01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:03,319 Speaker 16: I don't know exactly how many fossils exist. I know 1226 01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:04,159 we have tons of them. 1227 01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:07,840 Speaker 6: But how does the fossil tell you that it's the transition? 1228 01:23:08,119 --> 01:23:10,439 How does the fossil itself tell you? And not an interpretation, 1229 01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:12,000 because here's the thing. 1230 01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:14,920 Speaker 22: Every time they have a fossil, you guys want another 1231 01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:16,720 fossil in between those two fossils. 1232 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,960 Speaker 6: And yeah, but that's begging the question. How do you 1233 01:23:19,039 --> 01:23:21,560 know that that specific fossil is part of the transition. 1234 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,560 Speaker 16: That's the thing in question, because you could see the 1235 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,159 transition go over time. 1236 01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,359 Speaker 6: You don't see transition. That's an interpretation. That's the thing 1237 01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:32,199 I'm asking you about empiricism. You're an empiricist and you're 1238 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,920 saying I see transitions. No, you don't you see present 1239 01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:37,560 day fossils that you're saying our transitions. 1240 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,199 Speaker 16: Here's the thing, here's the problem here. 1241 01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:41,520 Speaker 22: So you're you're saying that I'm an empiricist, and that's 1242 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,760 all I care about is there's different kinds of beliefs, Jason. 1243 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,119 Speaker 16: You know, there's intrinsic and there's extringent beliefs. 1244 01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,640 Speaker 22: Right, there's mathematics, there's analytics, all on married all unmarried. 1245 01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:52,039 Speaker 16: Men or bachelor's. 1246 01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:53,000 Speaker 10: What does that have to do with this? 1247 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:54,239 Speaker 6: What does that to do with impis? 1248 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,880 Speaker 22: Because the thing is, when it comes to pistemology, are 1249 01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,279 you under are you operating under the. 1250 01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:00,640 Speaker 16: Justified true belief model? 1251 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:00,920 Speaker 6: Yes? 1252 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,479 Speaker 22: Okay, then that's just garbage. I'll tell you why you 1253 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,560 can You can never obtain that. It's unobtainable. We're not 1254 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,079 emniscient beings. And I even wrote a paper on it. 1255 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,439 Can't do it to GETT your problem? What the getti 1256 01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:13,920 your problem is? 1257 01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:17,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, that at time T you also have to have 1258 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,119 an extra qualification. The thing why you keep interrupting me 1259 01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:23,560 when you're just yapping at me, because you're saying that 1260 01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:26,800 you know that there's no justified true belief. So if 1261 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,479 there's no justice we cannot obtain, how do you know 1262 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,520 that we can't obtain that being? Hold on, how do 1263 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,520 you know that we cannot? How do you know that? 1264 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,680 You just keep asserting it are how do you know 1265 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,199 that that's? Those are great assertions? 1266 01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:40,399 Speaker 16: Cool? 1267 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,560 Speaker 6: What's the proof of that we can't? 1268 01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,800 Speaker 16: Can you show me a justified true belief that you know? Yeah? 1269 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,319 Speaker 6: Sure to deny JTB and the Gettier problem results in 1270 01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,199 the impossibility of true knowledge. So there you go. That's 1271 01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:59,760 a transcendental argument. What what So I'm giving you basic argumentation. 1272 01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:00,760 Speaker 16: You're mixing. 1273 01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:04,319 Speaker 22: So you look, you're using a logical claim to make 1274 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,319 the justified true belief to teach. 1275 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,039 Speaker 6: You don't think that, okay, So when you argue against 1276 01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:11,239 justified true belief, you don't think you're using logic. 1277 01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:14,479 Speaker 22: Yeah, but logic is a system we know the boundaries 1278 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,640 of we're not talking about it. 1279 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,800 Speaker 6: Well, you just said we don't have justified true beliefs, 1280 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,079 So how do we know the boundaries of it? 1281 01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:19,640 Speaker 7: You don't know that. 1282 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:21,680 Speaker 6: I want to know what is your what is your 1283 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:22,800 epistemology language? 1284 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,199 Speaker 16: We're talking about language here. We know. 1285 01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:26,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you just keep shifting. 1286 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 16: So what a lot of you guys do. 1287 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,159 Speaker 6: You'll say, is that a true thing? 1288 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,479 Speaker 16: Well, that's true, isn't it. That's what. No, we're talking 1289 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,600 about absolute truths of reality. We don't know the absolute 1290 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,239 truth or reality. 1291 01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:38,560 Speaker 6: Okay? Is that an absolute statement? Is that an absolute statement? 1292 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:39,720 Speaker 16: That? 1293 01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:42,720 Speaker 22: Yeah, but that's a statement that's not about absolute truth. 1294 01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:43,600 Speaker 10: Yes, it is. 1295 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,760 Speaker 6: It's a universal claim. You just refuted yourself because it's 1296 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:47,399 not the same. 1297 01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:48,119 Speaker 16: It's language. 1298 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,640 Speaker 6: You're saying it's not the same. It's a universal claim. 1299 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,680 You're saying, for all states of affairs, no one has 1300 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,239 universal knowledge if we. 1301 01:25:54,319 --> 01:25:56,199 Speaker 16: Don't exist, is that still true? 1302 01:25:56,399 --> 01:25:56,439 Speaker 1: No? 1303 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,520 Speaker 6: What does that have to do with you just contradicting yourself. 1304 01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,479 You made a universal claims. 1305 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,039 Speaker 22: What does it mean to be universal at all times, 1306 01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:05,880 all places and all I don't. 1307 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,039 Speaker 6: And you said that that's not possible. That's a universal claim. 1308 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,119 Speaker 16: No, listen, we're talking about you're talking. We're talking about language. 1309 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:17,039 Speaker 6: No, you made an existential claim. It's not just language. 1310 01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:20,560 You made an existential claim about everybody having no universal 1311 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,800 knowledge or absolute certitude in any state of affairs. That's 1312 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,000 a metaphysical and an epistemic claim that you just make. 1313 01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,600 Speaker 22: And as human beings, because we're finite creatures, you will 1314 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,800 argue God has that. That's why you're operating them to 1315 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,119 justify true belief and only to have that with you. 1316 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,600 Speaker 6: But you're operating on that system too. You just deny it. 1317 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:37,640 And that's what I just showed you. 1318 01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:39,960 Speaker 16: I'm not what are you saying. 1319 01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:43,840 Speaker 6: You're using the same principles and justification and then turning 1320 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,960 around and saying, but I don't have to justify it. 1321 01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:48,800 Even though it's a universal claim. You said, no one 1322 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,640 can have that level of knowledge and certitude. No one 1323 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,720 is a universal quantifier. That's a contradiction, and I. 1324 01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,479 Speaker 16: Could state that in language, So your. 1325 01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:02,199 Speaker 6: Language does apply to reality, then it's a purposeful statement. 1326 01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:02,920 That's ridiculous. 1327 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,600 Speaker 22: No, because the human language isn't eternal and it doesn't 1328 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:06,399 exist without us. 1329 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,479 Speaker 16: Are we speaking about the same object? 1330 01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,760 Speaker 6: Do you not understand that this is a basic critique 1331 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,239 of your skeptical position. No, you don't understand that. 1332 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,800 Speaker 22: You're using language that we know, we define, and you're 1333 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,079 saying that's universal and that's absolute truth, and even if 1334 01:27:21,119 --> 01:27:22,119 we don't exist. 1335 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,439 Speaker 6: So translated into logic, you can you know, you understand 1336 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,279 you can translate those statements into logical statements. Right, Yes, 1337 01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,520 so no one has this knowledge that's a universal quantifier 1338 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,720 in logic. That means that it doesn't exist anywhere. You 1339 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,399 just buy your own criteria said, no one. 1340 01:27:37,319 --> 01:27:39,960 Speaker 16: Can have I said humans. I said humans. 1341 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,880 Speaker 6: Okay, in your worldview, there's not in your worldview. That's 1342 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,880 all there is in your worldview. 1343 01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,119 Speaker 10: That's all there is. 1344 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,560 Speaker 16: Belief cannot be obtained by us. 1345 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,239 Speaker 6: That's a universal claim about humans. It doesn't matter whether 1346 01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,039 it's about humans, it's about humans in all states of 1347 01:27:56,039 --> 01:27:58,960 affairs universally, it's still a universal claim. No one is 1348 01:27:59,039 --> 01:28:02,359 a universal quo to fire. This is basic college philosophy. 1349 01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:02,880 Speaker 10: Beings. 1350 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,800 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter that you keep saying human beings. It's 1351 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,680 a universal claim. 1352 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:08,760 Speaker 16: I'm not saying a god. 1353 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:09,119 Speaker 15: Can't do it. 1354 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,960 Speaker 16: So you're you're you're straw manding me. I said human. 1355 01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:12,960 I said we can't. 1356 01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:15,920 Speaker 6: If God exists, then that would be in my position, 1357 01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:20,439 that would be a justification for JTB. You're using these categories. 1358 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,319 Speaker 16: This is what I'm saying, So listen to me. This 1359 01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:23,039 is my point. 1360 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,199 Speaker 22: I said, we as agents, you and I human beings, 1361 01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:29,079 we cannot obtain justify true belief. 1362 01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why I'm making a transcendental argument. That's what 1363 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,640 I've been arguing the whole time. To you, it doesn't listen. 1364 01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:35,880 Speaker 16: You're not understanding. 1365 01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:37,920 Speaker 6: No, it's you that doesn't understand. You don't even know 1366 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,880 what a transcendental argument is. You said it's crazy to. 1367 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:41,119 Speaker 16: Absolutely do what it is. 1368 01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:44,279 Speaker 6: Okay, what is it you're saying when. 1369 01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:46,439 Speaker 22: You're making these claims that transcend all of. 1370 01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:47,399 Speaker 16: The things we're talking about. 1371 01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:49,720 Speaker 6: That's not what a transcendental argument is you don't know 1372 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,239 what it is. Just admit you don't know what it is, 1373 01:28:52,039 --> 01:28:54,199 then what is it? What is a transcendent argument? 1374 01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,800 Speaker 16: We just we just had one. You literally just made one. 1375 01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,640 Speaker 6: Okay, can you tell me what it is? Where does 1376 01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,800 it come from? Historically? Give an example of it in 1377 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,439 the form, oh, here we go. So you don't actually know, No, 1378 01:29:07,359 --> 01:29:08,239 but you said you did know. 1379 01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:09,880 Speaker 16: Yeah, I do. 1380 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,159 Speaker 6: But now you're saying, you don't think you're straw my argument. No, 1381 01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:17,560 your argument isn't an argument. It's a fundamental contradiction. The 1382 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,760 fact that you just you said that we don't have 1383 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:25,359 access to it, including God, nothing, nothing. That's a universal quantifier. 1384 01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,439 You're saying universally. You just said nothing and no one didn't, 1385 01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,920 did you not? I said nothing, no one, Nothing and 1386 01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:37,119 no one is a universal quantifier. 1387 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,680 Speaker 16: Jason, we're talking about humans. Why do you keep going 1388 01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:41,000 to God? 1389 01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter that you add on this phrase. We're 1390 01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,119 talking about humans because it would be universally the case 1391 01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:47,239 for humans everywhere. 1392 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,000 Speaker 16: Jason, Yeah, and we're limited. 1393 01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:52,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Then now you've admitted that it is a 1394 01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,680 universal claim. Do you understand what a universal claim is? 1395 01:29:57,079 --> 01:29:59,640 What do you understand what a universal claim is? 1396 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,119 Speaker 16: Yes, what all times, all possible worlds? Do we exist 1397 01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:05,000 in all those places possible worlds in times? 1398 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,079 Speaker 6: That's not what. That's not what. That's not what possible 1399 01:30:10,119 --> 01:30:12,159 world even means. It has nothing to do with whether 1400 01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:13,760 we exist in all those possible worlds. 1401 01:30:14,079 --> 01:30:15,640 Speaker 16: Retard what does universal mean? Go ahead? 1402 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,439 Speaker 6: It just simply means at all times, in all places. 1403 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,960 It doesn't even have to be beings. 1404 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,279 Speaker 16: Exist in all times in all places. 1405 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,159 Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. 1406 01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:26,520 Speaker 6: The question is not about human beings existing. We're talking 1407 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,119 about the truth of the Do you not understand what 1408 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,520 a truth of a claim is versus the human beings 1409 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,199 making the claim? 1410 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:33,960 Speaker 16: That's just what you guys always do. 1411 01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:38,880 Speaker 6: No, you're making a fundamental mistake in category era, it's 1412 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,439 a category. Do you know what a category R is? 1413 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,359 Do you even know what a category are is? 1414 01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:44,359 Speaker 20: Yes? 1415 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,159 Speaker 22: What it's when you conflate through different things like jim 1416 01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:50,000 Bob was doing earlier making proc. 1417 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,439 Speaker 6: So now you're going off into jim Bab. What does 1418 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,920 Jimbob have to do this? You're saying that it's not 1419 01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,680 universal because it talks about human beings, and human beings 1420 01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,039 aren't universal. That's so low tier. Dude, that's ridiculous. The 1421 01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:03,000 claim is the universal, not the human being making the claim. 1422 01:31:03,079 --> 01:31:03,640 This is silly. 1423 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,560 Speaker 16: I am You're literally strong. You're literally strong. 1424 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,319 Speaker 6: Now, this is basic epistemology in logic one O one 1425 01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,159 to make a universal claim is when you have a 1426 01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:16,319 universal quantifier, it doesn't mean the person is universal. 1427 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,039 Speaker 22: Yes, that's what I'm saying, And I'm saying no human 1428 01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:19,640 beings could have. 1429 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,479 Speaker 16: Justified true belief. We cannot. 1430 01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a problem with saying that it's a non 1431 01:31:24,279 --> 01:31:28,079 sequitor because to have any kind of true belief requires JTB. 1432 01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:30,680 Namely to be able to say no one can have 1433 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,279 this position. That's what you don't understand. Why do you 1434 01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:36,079 keep saying my name? 1435 01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:36,960 Speaker 4: What does that have to do with this? 1436 01:31:37,079 --> 01:31:39,600 Speaker 16: But the Gettier problem proved that we cannot. 1437 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,760 Speaker 6: No, it doesn't. All it does. All that says is 1438 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,039 that Noah doesn't. That has nothing to do with the paradigm. 1439 01:31:46,399 --> 01:31:49,479 Noah doesn't. Now, So here you go off into this 1440 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,359 is not so erudite destiny level stuff. You should not 1441 01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,640 have called in. Man, this is making you look ridiculous. 1442 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,079 I should read your pie paper. 1443 01:31:58,399 --> 01:31:59,359 Speaker 16: Okay, did you read it? 1444 01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:02,079 Speaker 6: Why would I read you? Why would I have read 1445 01:32:02,119 --> 01:32:02,880 your pie paper? 1446 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:04,720 Speaker 9: Have you or not? 1447 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:05,760 Speaker 16: I'm just I'm just asking. 1448 01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:09,399 Speaker 6: No, I'm asking to have you read my. 1449 01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,199 Speaker 22: Paper on the epistemic model that I came that actually 1450 01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:13,199 sends is great. 1451 01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:13,800 Speaker 16: A grip of trilogy. 1452 01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:15,960 Speaker 6: How don't follow you? How would I read your paper? 1453 01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:16,399 Speaker 16: Okay? 1454 01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,359 Speaker 22: Well, if you read that, you'll understand that obtaining knowledge 1455 01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,039 is not propositional. 1456 01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:21,159 Speaker 16: It's structural. 1457 01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,800 Speaker 6: Oh wow, you want me to go through the premises 1458 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,800 for you. No, I'm not even going to entertain it 1459 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,840 because you've already demonstrated a fundamental lack of knowledge of 1460 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:29,560 these subjects. 1461 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,760 Speaker 16: I don't know every terminology that your claiming. 1462 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,560 Speaker 6: No, you don't know the basic terminology. Why would I 1463 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,399 listen to your paper? You don't know the basic terminology? 1464 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:37,279 Speaker 16: You said? 1465 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,720 Speaker 22: You literally said, are universals every place, every time? 1466 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,920 Speaker 16: In every place? And I said, human beings do not 1467 01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:44,159 exist in every time and everything. 1468 01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:49,840 Speaker 6: That's a category error. You're fundamentally not competent in epistemology. 1469 01:32:51,159 --> 01:32:52,239 Speaker 18: I said, we. 1470 01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:55,079 Speaker 22: Would have to have omniscient staff justify true belief. That's 1471 01:32:55,119 --> 01:32:59,199 why you appeal to God. Yeah, but human beings cannot 1472 01:32:59,279 --> 01:33:00,560 have justified And. 1473 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,479 Speaker 6: My argument, Okay, do you understand. Could you state what 1474 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,279 my argument is? I know you don't believe it. Could 1475 01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:06,680 you restate what I'm arguing. 1476 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,479 Speaker 16: Your argument about TAG and how God is? Which argument? 1477 01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,520 Can you talk about it? Yeah? 1478 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,399 Speaker 6: Specifically, what I'm saying is your violation and how it 1479 01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:15,079 relates to TAG. 1480 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,399 Speaker 22: You're arguing in that essentially, in order to ground these 1481 01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,800 transcendentals like logic and everything else mathematics, you need an 1482 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,800 entity a mind to ground them, to keep the consistent. 1483 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,000 Speaker 6: Okay, but what was specifically was my critique of your 1484 01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:29,960 of your claims. 1485 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:31,880 Speaker 16: You're saying that I am. 1486 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,239 Speaker 22: Making a universal claim that no one, including God can. 1487 01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:36,199 Speaker 6: Have justified true belief. 1488 01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:37,000 Speaker 16: That's not what I said. 1489 01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:40,399 Speaker 6: No, no, No, I'm saying that the phrase itself the proposition. 1490 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,159 When you say no one can have that, that requires 1491 01:33:44,359 --> 01:33:47,039 still access to a universal state of affairs to have 1492 01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:48,239 the universal quantifier. 1493 01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:52,920 Speaker 16: I'm saying, we as human beings cannot have justified That's 1494 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:53,439 what you know. 1495 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,319 Speaker 6: But you stating that doesn't answer the objection because the 1496 01:33:57,399 --> 01:34:01,479 objection is at a level of positional critique, and you're 1497 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,600 just saying another thing that's not addressing the criteria. So 1498 01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,640 this is ultimately a criteria question. And you just appeal 1499 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,439 to another thing that isn't addressing the criteria question. So yeah, 1500 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,039 I understand, and we agree that individual human beings, because 1501 01:34:15,079 --> 01:34:17,840 they're finite and they go on the basis of empirical data, 1502 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:22,239 they don't have access immediately to universal categories. That's why 1503 01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:24,319 David listen, Jason. 1504 01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:25,960 Speaker 16: I'm not an academics. 1505 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:27,479 Speaker 6: Whatit a minute, but I thought I needed to read 1506 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,760 your pie paper on how structuralism is they answer to all. 1507 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,159 Speaker 16: This because I have this intuition where I could find. 1508 01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:35,840 Speaker 6: So now we should go Why should we go to 1509 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:36,439 your intuition? 1510 01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:40,600 Speaker 16: That's a ridiculous because I understand when there's a contradiction. 1511 01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:43,840 Speaker 6: Well then how come you don't understand the contradiction I'm 1512 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,880 pointing out? If you understand contradictions, what is the contradiction? 1513 01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,000 What is the contradiction specifically that I'm pointing out. 1514 01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:51,279 Speaker 22: You're saying because I just said no one, it's a 1515 01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:52,199 universal claim. 1516 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,399 Speaker 16: You're saying that because I said no one, which I didn't. 1517 01:34:55,399 --> 01:34:56,680 I just thought about us people. 1518 01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,560 Speaker 22: I constrained it that it's impossible for anyone God to 1519 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:01,600 justify true belief? 1520 01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:02,680 Speaker 16: Is that not what's you're arguing? 1521 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,920 Speaker 6: No, I'm sure that you could say theoretically that God 1522 01:35:06,079 --> 01:35:09,399 might have that, but that doesn't matter in regards to 1523 01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,359 the proposition itself. You're saying propositions themselves have truth values 1524 01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:16,199 and that you can extrapolate logical forms. 1525 01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,319 Speaker 22: The problem with and I say this in my epistemic model, 1526 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,920 is that when you have a proposition, it has to 1527 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:22,640 be justified. 1528 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,520 Speaker 16: And how you justify? 1529 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,479 Speaker 22: Are you foundationalist? Are you an infinitist? What are you epistemically? 1530 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:32,800 Speaker 6: Jay, I'm a revelation theorist. So I believe in divine revelation, 1531 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,600 which is none of those which is not stop interrupting me, 1532 01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,800 which is none of those secular models. So so what 1533 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:40,560 is your model? 1534 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,960 Speaker 22: I have my own model, and basically what I discovered 1535 01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:46,520 is this how I discrite that. 1536 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,560 Speaker 16: Okay, so this is all justify any of their belie. 1537 01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,680 Speaker 6: This is ridiculous we're doing so it's just his own 1538 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,840 made up thing. He doesn't even know the basic terminology. 1539 01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:58,680 So basically, again the fact that you say universal claims 1540 01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,760 and then saying, but it's not universe because it's only 1541 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,000 amongst human beings, it's totally irrelevant to whether it's a 1542 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:07,199 universal proposition or claim. So this is just too stupid. 1543 01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:09,880 So is there you go. There's your atheist defending He 1544 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,000 would rather defend the ship Libs than actually have conversations 1545 01:36:14,039 --> 01:36:18,479 that deal with anything beyond what is always ended up being, Oh, 1546 01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,880 it's my paper, it's the thing that I came up with, 1547 01:36:23,119 --> 01:36:25,960 it's the thing he invented. So there you go. There's 1548 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:35,119 your based trad buddy of the ship Libs. There Chase, 1549 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:35,520 what's up? 1550 01:36:40,039 --> 01:36:42,159 Speaker 26: Hey man, I just wanted to talk to you. I 1551 01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:45,119 know that was rough and that the defeat was bad. 1552 01:36:45,359 --> 01:36:46,680 So if you got anything you want to get off 1553 01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:47,399 your cast, I'm. 1554 01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:47,640 Speaker 1: Here for you. 1555 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:48,800 Speaker 9: I want to talk about it. 1556 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,000 Speaker 6: Well, he wrote a paper, so you didn't read his paper. 1557 01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:53,159 Speaker 9: He wrote a paper. 1558 01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:53,760 Speaker 16: You're finished. 1559 01:36:54,039 --> 01:36:57,560 Speaker 9: That's basically game over. No, I just wanted to jump in. 1560 01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:01,640 Speaker 26: It's it's really funny when people do that, like with 1561 01:37:02,199 --> 01:37:03,079 with saghetti your. 1562 01:37:03,079 --> 01:37:06,199 Speaker 16: Problem, which assumes that. 1563 01:37:06,319 --> 01:37:10,239 Speaker 26: We have knowledge first off, the Getty Gettier problems, not trying. 1564 01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:11,960 Speaker 9: To say knowledge is impossible. 1565 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,359 Speaker 26: It's showing hey, sometimes you're gonna need a fourth condition, right, 1566 01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,039 like non accidental or something like that. 1567 01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,039 Speaker 9: And then I find it so funny. 1568 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,640 Speaker 26: Someone goes, I don't I don't you know I totally 1569 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,439 disregard justify true belief. That's not enough, and you go, okay, 1570 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,720 can you demonstrate that? And if he offers a demonstration, 1571 01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,479 he's trying to justify his beliefs and believe he should 1572 01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:37,720 have good reasons to believe. 1573 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,399 Speaker 6: Well, this is what happens when, yeah, this is what 1574 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:43,199 happens when people get a smattering of introductory level philosophy 1575 01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:46,199 and then then they think that they're competent to speak 1576 01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:49,920 to the most difficult, challenging matters in the history of philosophy. 1577 01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:51,960 And by the way, why haven't you read his paper? 1578 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,960 This is the extreme arrogance. And you know, all these 1579 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,840 atheist guys is funny because they were saying that I'm 1580 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,920 Dunning Krueger. That was Dunning Kruger right there for you 1581 01:38:02,039 --> 01:38:07,600 guys on display the assumption that a smattering of introductory 1582 01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,520 level philosophy knowledge gives you the capabilities to then form 1583 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:15,000 your own model to solve some of the most challenging 1584 01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,279 dilemmas in the history Western philosophy. And by the way, 1585 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,479 just read my paper. So it's hard at certain points. 1586 01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,760 Speaker 26: If you go, okay, sure, demonstrate now you know that 1587 01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:30,359 justified true belief You just totally disregard it. You don't 1588 01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:32,960 even need a fourth condition. You reject the whole, the 1589 01:38:33,079 --> 01:38:37,560 whole project. The only move that could make, which is 1590 01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,479 really funny, is well, no, I don't believe I need 1591 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,720 to justify anything. 1592 01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,279 Speaker 9: I just I just know things. So just trust it 1593 01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:46,399 literally comes down. 1594 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,920 Speaker 6: Just trust me, trust my into I have a good 1595 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,960 intuition for this. Just trust me. Trust me. 1596 01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:54,239 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1597 01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:56,199 Speaker 26: But it's it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be fun 1598 01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,479 to see uh see you in Gnostic informant. 1599 01:38:58,640 --> 01:38:58,760 Speaker 1: Uh. 1600 01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,600 Speaker 26: The I popped into a panel that was on some 1601 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:10,000 channel like midway through last year, and it literally came 1602 01:39:10,039 --> 01:39:13,159 down to him saying, well, we know, we just know 1603 01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:14,199 what reality is. 1604 01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:16,359 Speaker 16: That's it. 1605 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,680 Speaker 26: We just know what reality is. And then he tried 1606 01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,880 arguing with Jimbob that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. 1607 01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,680 And I started going through asking you, okay, what's the 1608 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,239 criteria for these things? And I used an analogy of 1609 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,079 saying the same name right, like Neil from Nastic Informant. 1610 01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:35,680 But this person I'm referring to is a fat Filipino 1611 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,880 woman who makes documentaries of how Christianity is true. 1612 01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,399 Speaker 9: And he goes, well, no, it's that's not me. 1613 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,479 Speaker 26: Because you know, you're ascribing different beliefs that I don't have. 1614 01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:50,000 Speaker 16: And then I said, so you know, now we don't worship. 1615 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:50,159 Speaker 7: The same god. 1616 01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:52,279 Speaker 26: He goes, no, it's not the same because they also 1617 01:39:52,359 --> 01:39:53,479 say the God of Abraham. 1618 01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,039 Speaker 16: So he just reverts right back to the same thing. 1619 01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:58,439 Speaker 26: So I think it's gonna be really funny, man, But 1620 01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:00,600 I'm gonna I'll pop out and listen. 1621 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,680 Speaker 9: But good luck with this, fan, This is this is funny. 1622 01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:07,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, we get some more Professor Dave fans. But why 1623 01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:09,680 would we be surprised that we had that level of 1624 01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,399 argumentation when this is Dave's level of argumentage? 1625 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,600 Speaker 17: And so why would I Why would I listen to 1626 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,840 sounds coming from a purposeless brain? 1627 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:19,840 Speaker 18: Because I'm right. 1628 01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:27,840 Speaker 6: There we go because my intuition. Bro oh wait, if 1629 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,319 you guys would hit like and share. Also, you can 1630 01:40:29,359 --> 01:40:32,000 support stream through the super chats. Now it's interesting too 1631 01:40:32,119 --> 01:40:36,159 that I don't know Lucas, but it sounds like he's 1632 01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:40,039 been listening to philosophy podcast and talks and because he 1633 01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:43,600 picked up on some of the jargon. But and people 1634 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,800 think that you're being a douchebag or you're being you know, 1635 01:40:47,079 --> 01:40:49,520 engaging in sophistry when you try to ask people these 1636 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,479 questions about because I can spot immediately when a person 1637 01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,079 doesn't know the material, when they haven't actually done the reading, 1638 01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,520 when they've got a smattering little bit of it. It's 1639 01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:01,159 just like if you were a guitar player, you're really 1640 01:41:01,159 --> 01:41:04,039 good to guitar. You can spot when somebody has just 1641 01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:08,640 simply mimicked a solo, or they just know basic chords, 1642 01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:11,039 but they're not actually proficient in the material, and they 1643 01:41:11,079 --> 01:41:13,359 haven't done the put the time in and done the research. 1644 01:41:14,119 --> 01:41:18,199 And nobody who's advanced in philosophy cites their own first paper. 1645 01:41:18,279 --> 01:41:22,279 I mean, that's just so just arrogant, ridiculous. It's it's 1646 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,239 a sued attitude and behavior of extreme overconfidence. And that's 1647 01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:30,479 why when you start to ask them questions and you 1648 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,920 hear what they're saying, I can pick up on a 1649 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,039 person who doesn't know basic philosophy or has only hurt 1650 01:41:37,079 --> 01:41:38,920 a little bit. So that's a person with a kind 1651 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:45,439 of freshman sophomore level of philosophical information. And you know, 1652 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,880 that's great that he's getting into it. But what everybody 1653 01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,239 has as a kind of a temptation when you get 1654 01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:52,279 into philosophy is everybody who's a first or second your 1655 01:41:52,279 --> 01:41:55,119 philosophy student thinks that they've solved everything. They think that 1656 01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,199 they've they've they're going to have the answer to, you know, 1657 01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,000 the criteria problem, They're gonna have the answer to, you know, 1658 01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:03,800 the consciousness problem, and there and then as you get 1659 01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,880 more and more advanced to get into grad school, you 1660 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,560 realize that, oh, actually that was a really arrogant attitude. Right, 1661 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,520 I need to have more humility about these topics because 1662 01:42:14,119 --> 01:42:16,920 there's a lot of people who spent twenty five years 1663 01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,279 in this domain and they know this stuff better than me. 1664 01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,319 So to act like as a nube, you know that 1665 01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:26,199 you're gonna have It's the same. It's like when people 1666 01:42:26,279 --> 01:42:28,640 go into the MMA stuff and they're like they bust 1667 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,000 up in the gym and they think, I'm going to 1668 01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:33,079 fight the dude that's been you know, fighting in the 1669 01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:36,239 octagon for twenty years because I watched some videos on 1670 01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:38,399 YouTube and I'll think I can take that dude, and 1671 01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,239 then in every case those people end up being just manhandled. 1672 01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:41,399 Speaker 2: Right. 1673 01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:43,039 Speaker 6: We saw that with Derek myth vision a year ago, 1674 01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,119 and that's why he's still angry. And I think in 1675 01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:48,560 the mma domain too, Like people will say, look, you 1676 01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,479 got to learn some humility, right. The only way you're 1677 01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,199 going to advance in these topics is to be willing 1678 01:42:54,279 --> 01:42:58,039 to be wrong, because I guarantee you there is nobody 1679 01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,840 who study philosophy and went from the introductory level to 1680 01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:05,359 you know, advanced who didn't get humbled at sometime. This 1681 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,920 is a this is a necessary stage in the process 1682 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,359 so that you can advance, to learn and to realize 1683 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,840 that you don't know what you think you know. So 1684 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,960 when I hear him say this and that, oh you 1685 01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:22,079 make this tag argument, and I say, well, I don't. 1686 01:43:22,279 --> 01:43:24,479 I don't believe that you actually understand what a transcendental 1687 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,359 argument is in terms of the form, and they can't 1688 01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:29,039 explain it. They don't know what it is. Now I 1689 01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:31,640 give him props for at least understanding what JTB was 1690 01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:33,319 and the gettier problem. So that was a that was 1691 01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:35,760 a that was a good thing. That means he's studying, okay, 1692 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:39,840 But that you're studying doesn't mean that, for example, you 1693 01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:43,680 don't make fundamental mistakes, okay. So for example, to say 1694 01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:49,640 that because a universal claim is made by an individual 1695 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,880 human being, and because individual human beings aren't universal. It's 1696 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,600 not universal misses the point of what a universal claim 1697 01:43:55,720 --> 01:44:00,520 is right, So there's claims themselves, the truth value the claims, 1698 01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,239 and then there's a separate category of which I was 1699 01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:07,199 inquiring into, which is what is the ontological status of 1700 01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:10,640 those truth claims? Where are they? How can we have 1701 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,359 a universal claim? What is universal claim? So he kind 1702 01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:15,680 of got a little bit of the basics of what 1703 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,520 Tag is arguing. But then when I try to say 1704 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:23,000 that his approach at denying JTB ultimately ends up putting 1705 01:44:23,039 --> 01:44:26,439 him in a way worse position. His answer was, well, 1706 01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,359 I'm just relegating it and limiting it to the human domain. 1707 01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:33,399 It doesn't matter because even relegated to the human domain, 1708 01:44:34,079 --> 01:44:38,000 it disqualifies the initial statement that, in other words, you 1709 01:44:38,079 --> 01:44:41,680 couldn't know that no one in the human domain has 1710 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,159 that lack of knowledge. So it's just moving the problem 1711 01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:47,359 back a step. So what he ought to look at, 1712 01:44:47,399 --> 01:44:49,119 if he actually wants to understand this, is to go 1713 01:44:49,239 --> 01:44:54,640 deeper into sellers and into the criteria problem of Chisholm, right, 1714 01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,920 because Chisholm brings this issue up in multiple different ways, 1715 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,479 and it's a problem that you can go in the 1716 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,640 direction of metaphysics, or you can go in the direction 1717 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,319 of a pistemology. If you go in the direction of 1718 01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:09,000 a pistemology, you're in a really bad position to deny JTB. 1719 01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,880 And then the problem is that you can erect other 1720 01:45:12,079 --> 01:45:15,880 types of systems and criteria because a lot of philosopher 1721 01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,399 try to do this. The problem though, is that usually 1722 01:45:20,119 --> 01:45:23,239 it's moving the problem back a step and not actually 1723 01:45:23,319 --> 01:45:27,640 addressing what the criteria problem is asking for. So, for example, 1724 01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:33,520 oh well, I'm gonna throw out JTB because I'm going 1725 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,680 to instead say that we don't even have to have that. 1726 01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:39,760 No one can have that. But wait a minute. Every 1727 01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:44,119 time you're asserting something, you're bagging the question about. Okay, 1728 01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:46,399 but what is the criteria to say? Then if it's 1729 01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,399 not JTB, then what is the rival criteria? Oh well, 1730 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:54,399 it's we know structuralism that I've come up with, okay, 1731 01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,760 But you saying that it's the structuralism that you come 1732 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,560 up with is an assertion that is not actually dealing 1733 01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,399 with their criteria problem. Father, Deacon, doctor and Nias. What 1734 01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:11,479 would you say, I'm but we have a logic professor 1735 01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,119 on him. By the way, what's that Goohead from the 1736 01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:17,760 University of Science, from the University of Science and Incorporated. 1737 01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,680 Speaker 20: By the way, he was equivocating on the word universal exactly. 1738 01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,199 Speaker 6: That's why I'm trying to say, that's why he's making 1739 01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:25,119 a category error. 1740 01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,000 Speaker 20: A universal could mean, I mean, it's typically not used 1741 01:46:29,039 --> 01:46:30,920 this way when we're speaking in logic. 1742 01:46:31,159 --> 01:46:34,399 Speaker 9: Obviously in crossing he was taking it to be. 1743 01:46:37,279 --> 01:46:40,880 Speaker 6: President everywhere. Well, you could do a you could do 1744 01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,000 a bullion argument right where it's not it's not even 1745 01:46:43,039 --> 01:46:44,319 that something like that. 1746 01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:45,800 Speaker 10: And that's not what it. 1747 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:49,560 Speaker 20: Means in logic, right, it just means a class. It's 1748 01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:54,520 either a set or a set of all things or 1749 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:59,520 no things. So it doesn't mean like if you had 1750 01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:01,399 you have to think about stupid. 1751 01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:01,800 Speaker 16: This is. 1752 01:47:04,039 --> 01:47:04,760 Speaker 9: If you had. 1753 01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,439 Speaker 20: You made me a copy marbles, right, and then the 1754 01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:15,520 only existing marbles. You don't have to be omniscient or 1755 01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,920 be present everywhere to actually look at. 1756 01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,399 Speaker 16: The class and be like, yeah. 1757 01:47:19,239 --> 01:47:22,600 Speaker 9: That's the class of all marbles or something like that. 1758 01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:27,920 That's what a universal is. So he was fundamentally confused 1759 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,880 on that issue. And then what was the other thing 1760 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,920 I noticed he was, well, he was. 1761 01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:42,840 Speaker 6: Getting Yeah, he thought transcendental was transcendent time or something. No, 1762 01:47:43,039 --> 01:47:47,680 transcendent is not the same thing as a transcendental. Yeah, 1763 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,800 but what what would you let's let's say that, uh, 1764 01:47:50,079 --> 01:47:54,279 you know, for the sake of argument, Well, what what 1765 01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:56,840 what if I just throw out justified true belief and 1766 01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,880 I say that it's some other thing, like how do 1767 01:47:58,920 --> 01:47:59,880 you how do you deal with that? 1768 01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:01,319 Speaker 16: Why? 1769 01:48:01,319 --> 01:48:03,600 Speaker 6: I thought you? I thought you did well? 1770 01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:05,760 Speaker 9: You bring up Chishom's criterion problem. 1771 01:48:07,239 --> 01:48:10,399 Speaker 20: So why is how do we know that's the criterion 1772 01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:15,680 to identify what knowledge is? Because I'd have to know 1773 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:18,840 what the criterion is, and I have to presuppose that 1774 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:25,279 I actually have knowledge. And so in other words, if 1775 01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,800 I have to have the criterion to ident let's call 1776 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,600 it number one to identify what knowledge is number two, 1777 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:37,880 I can only identify number one if I already have 1778 01:48:38,039 --> 01:48:40,680 number two, and two if number one. So you're just 1779 01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:46,600 an officious circle exactly? Does that make sense? That's exactly 1780 01:48:48,399 --> 01:48:51,159 and a weird thing to kind of deflect and be 1781 01:48:51,279 --> 01:48:52,439 like what language? 1782 01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,079 Speaker 6: But also, I mean you could you could just you 1783 01:48:55,159 --> 01:48:59,680 could argue that like in some situations, the universal doesn't 1784 01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:01,880 even have to have a metaphysical import right, And at 1785 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,000 the point of the Boolean types, type of argument. 1786 01:49:04,279 --> 01:49:09,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's bullian. Universals have no existential import. 1787 01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:13,079 Speaker 6: So even if we argue that they had no existential 1788 01:49:13,159 --> 01:49:17,840 import just in terms of the form itself, it's like yourself, 1789 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:24,039 Yeah exactly, that's what I'm it's like saying. It's like 1790 01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:27,600 saying it is universally the case. That this very proposition 1791 01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,920 is not universally the case exactly. And it doesn't matter 1792 01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:34,279 whether you're trying to give it an existential import or not. 1793 01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:41,319 That the thing is that's a contradiction. And furthermore, I'm. 1794 01:49:41,279 --> 01:49:43,279 Speaker 9: Starting to use this tactic. I just tell people I 1795 01:49:43,359 --> 01:49:48,319 don't believe that you believe that. There's no way, I mean, 1796 01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:49,920 talk about dishonesty. 1797 01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:54,359 Speaker 20: You go around all you know, all the time, avoiding 1798 01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,239 contradictions because you think it's bad. 1799 01:49:56,319 --> 01:49:57,680 Speaker 9: But all of a sudden you get in a debate 1800 01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:58,640 and now you want. 1801 01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,359 Speaker 20: To double down and be like, well, I I get 1802 01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:06,079 to use it. That's just language, that's just honest. And 1803 01:50:06,359 --> 01:50:09,039 I'll just tell people, I'm like, I don't even believe 1804 01:50:09,079 --> 01:50:09,720 that you believe it. 1805 01:50:10,119 --> 01:50:10,840 Speaker 16: So how about that? 1806 01:50:11,079 --> 01:50:14,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he kept he kept deflecting and saying, well, 1807 01:50:14,039 --> 01:50:16,920 that's just language, that's just language, which I think he 1808 01:50:17,039 --> 01:50:20,640 was trying to say that the words don't actually have 1809 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:25,239 any existential or metaphysical import. Okay, but that's a double 1810 01:50:25,319 --> 01:50:27,880 edged sword because if they don't, then your argument against 1811 01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:34,560 these words also don't. So how do you know that exactly? 1812 01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,439 That's what I kept That's what I kept asking you. 1813 01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:39,720 Speaker 9: I think you already pointed out you're making. 1814 01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:44,479 Speaker 20: Some huge claims right of all this stuff that you know, 1815 01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:48,279 and and I think you mentioned to coumping into some 1816 01:50:48,359 --> 01:50:51,720 of the most difficult philosophy, and you're just going to. 1817 01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:55,119 Speaker 6: Claim, well, I know, I'm right. Well, that's what Dave 1818 01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:57,680 does too. So it's like that seems to be a 1819 01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:01,479 pattern here, right or they think that we're they say, oh, 1820 01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:04,520 you guys are so arrogant. Guys are know it alls 1821 01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:07,520 well again, And I think you could speak to this 1822 01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,920 as a professor, and you know, being at one point 1823 01:51:11,159 --> 01:51:13,840 a freshman, right and progressing then to say, in your 1824 01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,760 case the PhD, don't you think it's kind of normal 1825 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,840 for everybody who studies philosophy to get humbled in many 1826 01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,239 situations like you're not going to be a freshman and 1827 01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:24,840 have figured it all out by the time you're a PhD. 1828 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,840 You're gonna you will have been wrong many times, get 1829 01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:28,600 you get humbled. 1830 01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:34,039 Speaker 20: And I remember, so I was introduced to philosophy Christian 1831 01:51:34,039 --> 01:51:38,800 apologetics like seventeen eighteen, my senior year in high school. 1832 01:51:40,279 --> 01:51:46,760 Speaker 9: And you know, you just learned like really easy, like 1833 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:47,720 kind of refutation. 1834 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:52,159 Speaker 20: You're basically mimicking, right, So you haven't read and really 1835 01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:55,399 dived deep into these things. But as we all know, 1836 01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,039 ninety eight percent of people are idiots. Like it doesn't 1837 01:51:59,119 --> 01:51:59,640 take much. 1838 01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:05,640 Speaker 9: So we would just go around and you know, give 1839 01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:11,439 these Let me give you a classic one and it's true, 1840 01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,039 like we still use this today, but I'm showing you that, 1841 01:52:15,279 --> 01:52:16,960 Like this is one of the first things that I learned, 1842 01:52:17,239 --> 01:52:20,560 and it gave me a little bit of humorous somebody's like, 1843 01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:20,880 you know. 1844 01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,720 Speaker 3: There is no truth? 1845 01:52:23,079 --> 01:52:24,920 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, is that true? Like that was one of 1846 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:25,840 the first things. 1847 01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:30,840 Speaker 20: That I actually learned, where you just that's a really 1848 01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,960 easy tactic and it's it's a good argument to refute somebody. 1849 01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:39,680 But it doesn't mean that you're knowledgeable in philosophy. Does 1850 01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:40,359 that make sense? 1851 01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:40,720 Speaker 16: And so. 1852 01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,760 Speaker 9: You know, going through and thinking through these issues and 1853 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:46,600 reading the history of. 1854 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:52,279 Speaker 20: Philosophy, and you know, i'd even say like even you know, 1855 01:52:52,399 --> 01:52:55,319 coming out with a bachelor, I was still prideful. 1856 01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:58,119 Speaker 9: I still thought that I was just talking with all 1857 01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:01,359 that we'd just conference. Here was some of the best philosphers. 1858 01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,680 Speaker 20: We all thought that we thought when we went to 1859 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,319 get a degree in philosophy. We finished our bachelors and 1860 01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:12,479 I went into grad school, then we we're so smart, 1861 01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:13,439 We're going to change. 1862 01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:16,319 Speaker 9: The world, you know, like we're really going to make 1863 01:53:16,359 --> 01:53:19,560 a difference. And then you realize. 1864 01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,960 Speaker 20: How difficult this stuff is and you're just happy to 1865 01:53:23,039 --> 01:53:24,560 get past and get a PhD. 1866 01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:26,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1867 01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember shows like any of Us Can Spaw 1868 01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:32,920 a Suit. 1869 01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,880 Speaker 6: When I was in my twenties and I was really 1870 01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:42,319 into Tomism. I remember being at my university and I remember, well, 1871 01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:47,319 one of my my undergrad advisors, doctor Martell. You know, 1872 01:53:47,399 --> 01:53:49,479 he had to put up with me constantly trying to 1873 01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,600 defend and argue Tomism and all the Tomestic principles. And 1874 01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,199 then one day he I think he got kind of 1875 01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:57,840 annoyed with it, and he found a really good critique 1876 01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:02,520 of Tonism. And I was probably twenty five twenty seven, 1877 01:54:03,399 --> 01:54:06,680 just absolutely insufferable, know it all, I'm sure, and I 1878 01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:10,319 had never really read a good challenge or critique to Tonism, 1879 01:54:11,279 --> 01:54:14,119 and he gave me that paper and I remember reading 1880 01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:15,800 it and I remember, you know, at first I was 1881 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,600 very Ah, he's just a you know, unbelieving professor, and 1882 01:54:19,279 --> 01:54:21,560 I why do I have to listen to him? And 1883 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,159 you know, he doesn't have any you know, he's not running, 1884 01:54:24,359 --> 01:54:26,800 he's not track cat, he doesn't know anything. And then 1885 01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,720 as I grew older and as I matured, and the 1886 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,960 more I began to kind of question things within Tomism, 1887 01:54:33,159 --> 01:54:36,079 like I realized, no, actually I was the one that 1888 01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:38,800 was wrong. I thought I knew it all. And doctor Martel, 1889 01:54:39,039 --> 01:54:41,760 even though he may have been an atheist agnostic, like 1890 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:45,399 he didn't know enough about criticizing tumism and knew the 1891 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,680 critiques of Tomism well enough to challenge me. But I 1892 01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,960 was too immature at the time, in my twenties to 1893 01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:55,720 be willing to say, you know, actually I'm wrong. I 1894 01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,239 don't actually know what I'm talking about. There are I. 1895 01:54:58,279 --> 01:54:59,039 Speaker 9: Want to tell everybody. 1896 01:54:59,039 --> 01:55:01,359 Speaker 20: I'm going to make a public feshion. I told Father 1897 01:55:01,479 --> 01:55:03,520 Peter this today and he's like, did you ever tell 1898 01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:05,840 Jay this story? And I'm like, I've told Jaya story, 1899 01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:08,520 but you guys got to hear this, Okay, it's a 1900 01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,359 confession about how I was wrong and Jay was right. 1901 01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:17,720 So when I first found out about you, it was 1902 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,399 through my wife. She's like, oh, this guy on YouTube 1903 01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,279 and I didn't like you. I thought you were arrogant 1904 01:55:27,359 --> 01:55:30,880 and that and the reason why I didn't like you 1905 01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,479 is because you were arguing against theistic evolution. 1906 01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:35,920 Speaker 16: I was. 1907 01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:39,119 Speaker 9: I believed in theistic evolution. So you know what I 1908 01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:39,800 told my wife. 1909 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:43,399 Speaker 20: I'm like, Jada, I doesn't know what he was talking about, 1910 01:55:44,399 --> 01:55:49,319 and I'll debate him and I'll refute him. You've heard 1911 01:55:49,359 --> 01:55:50,439 it here on the X. 1912 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,359 Speaker 9: So that's what I thought. And guess who was wrong? 1913 01:55:54,079 --> 01:55:55,760 I guess who was right? 1914 01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,239 Speaker 6: Well, I don't remember debating you, so you must have wanted. 1915 01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:00,359 Speaker 9: To aid you. 1916 01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:02,880 Speaker 6: In my head, Jay, I want no. 1917 01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,920 Speaker 9: But I told my wife I like that. 1918 01:56:06,039 --> 01:56:08,359 Speaker 16: I was like, oh, I'd crushed j and a debate. 1919 01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:09,079 Speaker 9: Are you kidding me? 1920 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:13,039 Speaker 16: How arrogant? And here already had my PC. 1921 01:56:13,239 --> 01:56:17,079 Speaker 9: So like I still we're all still working on on humility. 1922 01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:18,600 Speaker 6: Like you know, I get it. 1923 01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:19,279 Speaker 16: I was young and. 1924 01:56:19,399 --> 01:56:24,760 Speaker 9: Orthodoxy and stuff like that. I still have these hang ups. 1925 01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:26,079 Speaker 16: But you were right. 1926 01:56:26,439 --> 01:56:32,039 Speaker 9: You were right about theistic evolution being garbage, and. 1927 01:56:32,119 --> 01:56:35,239 Speaker 6: So we we all just gotta be careful about that, 1928 01:56:35,359 --> 01:56:38,640 you know what I mean, Like, yeah, well, I think 1929 01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:43,800 the same thing with totally just uh totally removed from 1930 01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:47,159 the sphere of like academia and this kind of stuff 1931 01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:52,560 is is other domains too, like geopolitics and uh that 1932 01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,880 kind of stuff. Like you know, we have a lot 1933 01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:59,960 of people in the in the sphere of the flint 1934 01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:05,039 this overlap, right, and so I reached out to try 1935 01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:07,439 to say to some of those people, Hey, look, you know, 1936 01:57:07,479 --> 01:57:09,520 I've been studying this stuff for a long time and 1937 01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,399 I'm not an enemy of Nick. I want Nick to 1938 01:57:12,479 --> 01:57:14,960 do well and come to you know, orthodoxy ultimately that 1939 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:19,159 would be the goal. But like, we can all learn 1940 01:57:19,239 --> 01:57:22,920 from each other if we listen to each other and 1941 01:57:23,079 --> 01:57:25,560 not get caught up in the noise or the twenty 1942 01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:27,800 thirty second clips all that kind of stuff. Because I 1943 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,960 think in the case of the Vatican, you know, I 1944 01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:35,439 wasn't arguing that the entire Vatican is subverted by Epstein 1945 01:57:35,479 --> 01:57:37,319 everything like that. It was very specific that I think 1946 01:57:37,399 --> 01:57:41,600 that the close relationship between Epstein and John Paul was verifiable, 1947 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,479 and the close relationship between John Paul and people like 1948 01:57:47,439 --> 01:57:51,159 savile are all very well documented, and then people say, oh, look, 1949 01:57:51,239 --> 01:57:53,680 Jay thinks that the entire Vatican is Epstein. I didn't 1950 01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,319 say that. So it's like a lot of things get 1951 01:57:56,239 --> 01:57:59,720 mistranslated in the noise. And that's why it would be 1952 01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:04,279 good if if people would just listen to kind of 1953 01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:07,680 what other people are saying and not assume bad will 1954 01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:10,680 from everyone else. Right, all right, so let's get over 1955 01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:11,880 here to Jeff Sin mccuffrey. 1956 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:12,840 Speaker 7: I know we've been waiting for this. 1957 01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:13,960 Speaker 6: A lot of people are saying, when are you gonna 1958 01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:19,920 do this. I wasn't expecting the the attention that the 1959 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:24,119 Professor Dave Crowd was going to give. So I'm glad 1960 01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:27,119 that Lucas stepped in. Hopefully he's not mad. We get 1961 01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,560 pretty heated, so I tried to I tried to step 1962 01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:29,760 away