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Speaker 2: Good morning everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of
The Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I'm
your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society.
Today's episode is pre recorded. We're only a day off,
so we're only pre recorded a little bit early. But
just so you know, if you guys are leaving questions
or comments throughout the show and we're ignoring them, we're
not live today. So with that being said, guys, this
weekend coming up on for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, it
is finally here the Contact Modalities Expo May first through
the third in Delavan, Wisconsin. Myself and fellow onto Old
radio host here Dean Bertram will be in attendance as
well as my guest today and a lot of other
great personalities and former guests of the show there as well.
So if you're looking for something to do this weekend,
come on down to Delavan, Wisconsin and check it out.
Tickets available at Contact modalitiesxpo dot com. And next weekend, guys,
it is finally here as well. The Cryptids, Anomalies and
Paranormal Convention Saturday, May ninth in Fondilac, Wisconsin. We have
over twenty speakers and workshops for you guys, including my
guest today as well, will be part of a panel.
We'll talk more about that in just second. And we
also have over forty vendors for you guys to shop
and peruse, so it's going to be a great day.
It kicks off Friday afternoon with a kid's Bigfoot hike
myself and Chris McCree from the Caps team. Laurence Smith
will be this expedition. Kelly unfortunately can no longer make
it to the convention, but you still get the three
of us, so it's going to be a great time.
Tickets are still available as of recording this for that
event and for the more adventurous and brave. We also
have a nighttime Bigfoot expedition. Myself, Chris and Lauren will
be joined by Jay Bachocin, Ken Gerhard, Larry Eisler, and
Christina Bloom, so it's going to be a great night.
We are going to do some thermal imaging over a
special area as well as Christina Bloom, who is a
spirit medium is going to be attempting to channel a
Bigfoot spirit.
Speaker 3: So this is going to be a really cool event.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you guys can come out. We still have a
few tickets left for that as well. And then guys
coming up Saturday, June thirteenth, we had two Paranormal Chicago
Convention in Countryside, Illinois. It is only one dollar admission
and free parking. You cannot beat that in the Chicago
Land area. Then I'm going to be June seventeenth at
the Brownsville Public Line Library, July twenty second, Cedarberg Public Library, Potographs,
Packerland Paranormal Conference September twenty sixth, in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
Ryo Community Library, October twenty eighth, and of course finally
Belleville Public Library October thirtieth, talking about same topic.
Speaker 3: As today UFOs.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a great summer and October and
stuff coming up here. So with that being said, let's
get to our guest. My guest today is Ian Stephen.
He is a Madison based film maker, licensed drome pilot,
and the cure creator of the YouTube channel Alien Wisconsin.
His work moves beyond the pursuit of grainy photographs to
explore the human element of the phenomenon, specifically how ordinary
lives are fundamentally reshaped by unidentified aerial phenomenon and non
human intelligence. As a researcher and content creator, Ian focuses
on grounded storytelling, seeking to provide a bridge between the
high level legislative shifts in Washington, d C. And the
deeply personal experiences of the Midwest. Ladies and gentlemen. Please
welcome Ian steven Ian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It's wonderful to be back.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, man, it's a pleasure to have you. You
got some big events. We have some big events coming
up here. I'm super excited for Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, Contact Modalities is just a few days away.
I'm very excited. I have so many friends on stage.
I'm going to have to choose which ones to watch
because a lot of them are simultaneous, which is an
unfortunate situation. But it's good for the audience because you
have all of these wonderful choices. I mean, Wisconsin's really
coming up in options for people to kind of interact
with the paranormal and meet their communities and find someone
even if your thing is a little niche, there is
something there for you, So that's very exciting, awesome.
Speaker 2: So there anybody you're specifically looking forward to hearing or
talking to again? Oh gosh, I mean there's I usually
read them all off, but there's so many, so many
people on this list, and there's just so many cool peoples.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I obviously I've said this before, but
I'm very interested in the people that were in the
telepathy tapes. So that's one of my personal ones I'm
really interested in seeing is Dahalia and Ludu. I'm going
to say their last name wrong, Burgoyne. I definitely, you know,
I do want to see Chris Bloodsoe. He's the headliner,
of course, but of course I want to see Zi,
Dean and Zach as well because they're my friends and
you know, you got us your friends. But I mean,
how can you go wrong with this lineup? You know?
And and the other thing too that like an event
like this, you might go in thinking, Okay, I'm really
into Bigfoot, so I'm only going to go to the
Bigfoot things. And for those people, I would say, I
think that's a mild mistake. You should do something that
you haven't tried before, because you just might learn something
and you just might love it. The quality of speakers
are going to be fantastic. I know, I'm going to
try to get myself out of my own comfort zone
and watch some of these speakers that might be a
little bit different to me too.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's so many great people on there. Like
you said, and you get I thought I was zoomed
out all the way.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't really pick and choose who you want to
see it. I think I think that's a really good point.
When you get these really cool events with so many people,
you go there to see one particular person. I'm really
excited to go see this one. And once you're there
you get to meet that person.
Speaker 3: Then what do you do? You have all day to
go and learn something new.
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't know anything about a topic, maybe you're
skeptical about a topic or something.
Speaker 3: You can go there.
Speaker 2: You already paid your admission. You get to sit in
and hear stories and hear people's experiences that you would
not hear anywhere else. These are awesome events.
Speaker 4: And one other thing that often gets lost to people
is I mean, some of us are introverts. But I
would remind you the people around you are just like you,
and they could be valuable allies and people that you know,
you could be on a podcast with, or you could
collaborate with, or you could go on a big foot
walk with, or you could you know, do a CE
five event with. So keep in mind that even if
they're not on stage, they're probably really wonderful at exciting
people who have incredible stories just like you do.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then after this weekend we get to hang
out again because you are going to be part of
the UFO CE five UAP panel here at Yes. Absolutely,
Oh man, I'm excited for this. I think I've I've
tried to get together a group of people that kind
of bridge everything from like I said, C five to
local legends and lore of UFOs in Wisconsin to UFOs
in general historical sightings. So I think I think we
got a great group of people in yourself is included
in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean the other thing that I don't know
if you know this, but most of us are all
friends alreadyway, so like we're like, I think that's going
to be helpful because it'll just there won't be that
awkwardness of like I don't know about this guy, you know, Like,
I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's
going to be a really fun event for the people
on the stage, but most importantly for the audience. I
think they're really going to appreciate it because the conversations
will flow more naturally and it should be interesting. And
I will tell you something, we don't all agree on
everything I know, shocker right, we just don't, So that
should be interesting too.
Speaker 2: That's that's the best part again, getting multiple areas, multiple
disciplines all talking about the same thing. And we're going
to have an open mic as well for the audience
that if they want to come up and ask a
specific question. Hey, I heard there was a sighting in
this area. Hey I heard you know, historical event of this.
What are your thoughts on that? Hey, disclosure, all the
stuff going on in the government, all the stuff we're
gonna talk about today, what are your thoughts on this?
And then you get to hear all these people firsthand
from the different different areas of research or what have you,
and stuff that that you guys get to kind of
weigh in on these things.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I'm I mean I'm very much looking
forward to it. I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 2: Awesome, I'm looking forward to uh seeing you for the
next two weekends. I think a lot of there's there's
quite a few of us that are crossed over here
that we're gonna be at both events, and so it's
gonna be quite of a we're gonna get sick of
each other.
Speaker 3: Maybe, well, I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Think I think i'd pause and say something about all
of this too, is that, like I you know, maybe
it's a little corny to say this, but you will
make friends by going to events like this, And maybe
that again sounds corny and cheesy, but you will see
a bunch of the same people and you probably will
get along because you have a lot in common already.
So that's the wonderful takeaways of all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Before we before we leave this topic, I don't have
any graphics or nothing. Do you have any other events
coming up? Are you gonna be anywhere else that you
want to promote?
Speaker 3: Right away?
Speaker 4: Not right now? Well, I mean, I have a feeling
I'm gonna be at some events in the fall, but
I haven't I haven't confirmed anything. I mean, I obviously
go to the move on stuff, but nothing nothing biggest
is on the is on the calendar quite yet.
Speaker 2: Perfect, No problem man, All right, well, we are here
to talk about all kinds of things that are like
going on recently in the news, and all kinds of
disclosure stuff. I would ask if anybody has me questions,
but I think this is a good time to remind
everyone we are pre recorded. So today's episode we are
both currently if you're watching this live, we're probably both
on our way to Delivan right now. So that's why
we are pre recorded, because we have things to do
this weekend, so we hope to see you in person,
so that's why we're not here in person.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we are.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I will say this for for the disclosure of
this show, that we're going to be talking about some
touchy subjects here, and I want to give some people
a chance to tune out or turn off for any
kind of trigger warnings and stuff about self harm and
things along that nature that go along with this whole
conspiracy and this whole kind of movement that's going on
in that And so there's there's been a lot of
stuff going on.
Speaker 3: In the news about.
Speaker 2: A group of people that may or may not be
all connected and I'll let you. I'll let you kind
of take it from there and you know, go where
you want with this.
Speaker 4: Sure, there's been a news story that basically started I
want to say in early March. I think it was
I want to say, like the Guardian, and the headline
that you might see is X number of scientists missing
and dead and now it's I believe the number that's
most commonly quoted is thirteen. But there's a lot of
disagreement about this. So this news story kind of came
from obscurity because there are some recent deaths and then
there have been deaths up to from the middle of
twenty twenty two, so a few years back, so we're
really talking about kind of the span of four years
where and to be clear, I want to be really
clear about this, they are not actually all scientists. Some
of them worked in the military with scientists, but they
are not scientists or their administrative assistance or their science
adjacent They all seem to work on advanced technologies, often
to do with propulsion energy, nuclear or UFOs directly or indirectly.
So that's kind of the lore of this is. To
be clear, this is the other confusing part about it,
about half of them are simply missing. They have been
missing for an extended period of time, mind you, over
six months in many cases. But they're just missing. So
we don't have a we don't have a body, we
don't know where they really are. It's kind of peculiar
in this day and age that anyone could be missing
for six months and still be breathing. Possible, but unlikely.
So that's kind of the nature of the way it looks.
And this story, again, it came from kind of like
Twitter and the tabloids to all the way up till
last week where Donald Trump took a question about it
directly and said that he had. Interestingly, he was asked
this question, you know, are you aware of these missing scientists?
And he said, oh, it might be a coincidence. It's
interesting you ask me this because I was just briefed
on it. So Donald Trump, then, you know, basically says
the White House is briefing him on this matter. So
at least at that level it's being taken seriously. At least,
you know, at least the President brought it up. I mean,
if you think about it, most things in the news
don't get to the President's desk. They just don't. I mean,
most killings don't, most disappearances don't. So the fact that
it got that far is kind of remarkable, and that's
the easiest way to explain it. But as we go
into it deeper, it is very complicated and hard to
really know what happened. So I would say that, like,
I'm not very confident about a lot of the conclusions
people are drawing, and that's that would be, like, my my,
the easiest way to explain what's going on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think I think you're right. I think there's
there's some of these that are very conspicuous. Like I
think this all kind of started with the William McCasland.
I think that was the most recent, Yeah, started it.
Speaker 4: It was the it was the high profile that he
he is, that's General William McCaslin. Just to be clear,
like we have to be you know, it's hard. I
think he was a brigadier general too. He was like
a really high ranking person here, and he was the
one that kind of like put it on the front
page because he he essentially, I mean, I can't confirm this.
I can't confirm this, but it seems like he was
a UFO gatekeeper, He worked directly with some of the
legacy UFO program. By anyone who would know seems to
think that's the case. He worked at the right place,
he had the right job title. So what happens with
him is he basically just disappears. He leaves his cell phone,
he leaves his glasses, he takes a gun, he changes
his clothes. I don't know why you would do that,
but you know, he takes a gun, doesn't take his car,
leaves his phone, leaves his glasses, and just leaves. He
wanders off, and his wife is confused and calls nine
to one one. So it's like it's a very strange story.
Nobody has ever been found, which is I mean, he's
I think he's in his late sixties, so I can't
imagine he's, you know, running fifty miles on foot or something.
You know, he's not calling an uber. He left his phone,
he left his wallet, he's not paying for anything. So
the whole situation is extremely bizarre. Why this would happen.
I mean, this man should be protected in some way
because of just his rank, and it's the whole situation
is has a lot of red flags but no way
to draw a conclusion. It is alarming, it is concerning,
and I can't say anything for certain, and I'm sorry
to tell you that, but that's that's just what it is.
It makes me uncomfortable to read the details, but I
can't tell you what happened.
Speaker 2: And it was again, correct me if I'm wrong, but
it was a couple like a month or a little
bit more than that before that his secretary was off
on a hike and disappeared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe. I know it's a secretary and I'm
not sure if it's If it's his secretary, I have
to check.
Speaker 3: I heard she was like secretary to something with him,
like that was the connection.
Speaker 4: That that might be the case. Yes, that that that okay,
So again this is a second missing person. These are
both in the Albuquerque, New Mexico area, which you know
New Mexico is considered I don't know the destination of
all things UFO. It's kind of like a weird reality,
but largely because of a lost almost national labs are there.
But anyway, what I was, what I was going to
say is she's hiking and she's walking with a friend,
and the friend sees her and thirty second late thirty
seconds later, it turns around to say something to her friend,
and her friend is gone, and they search with dogs
and they can't get a They can't find her with
infrared because it's Albuquerque and it's summer. So the police
officer said that it looked like a candle everywhere because
all of the rocks are just as hot or hotter
than human body would be. So if Red is basically
a useless technology in the summer in Albuquerque. So again,
it's been that was summer of last year, so it's
been almost a year. We have no body, we have
no understanding of her disappearance. Like, again, how can someone disappear?
I don't know how that would work. You need money,
You're gonna have to use your bank account or something,
you know, And also like it's just hard to again,
these these people are like often I think she was
in like her sixties too. You're how far can you
really get on foot without spending money when you're in
a park? You know, Like it's just like a strange.
It feels like it feels like either she fell or
she was kidnapped, Like those are the only explanations you
can that I think are reasonable. I mean, unless you
think she was teleported away or something like that, and
it'd be one of the questions that keeps getting brought
up about these issues in general, is was it possibly
a foreign government, because obviously these people have very high
level knowledge that is valuable, Like what is more valuable
on Earth than a craft or knowledge from non humans?
Like what is more valuable, Like how much is a
UFO worth a recovered UFO or the secrets of a
recovered UFO. I think that it's essentially worth infinite you know,
Like it's hard to know like what a price tag
for that would even cost, you know, especially if you've
got something actionable out of it, you know, maybe energy technology,
weapons technology, or even just you know, computational technology. So
it's really hard to know like what extent someone would
go to obtain secrets. And I think that if it's
that valuable, you know, nothing is really off the table.
But it does raise the question that, as you brought up,
she's just a secretary, Like I don't think she would
really have access to the high level secrets, so her
disappearance doesn't really make a lot of sense to me
unless he knew something accidentally, like it's the whole thing
is just so strange, you know, the whole story is
so strange.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of graphs here I was gonna
show you. So the first one here because you brought
it up, This is a showing you kind of can't
see them. They're all kind of layered, but it shows you,
like the general area where some of them went missing,
so they're not all one area. They're kind of spread
out across and not just missing. Like we said, there's
other situations with this as well, but this was to
kind of infograph shows everyone that you know where they
were because they weren't all around Roswell or in those areas.
But and then the other one that I found online
that I've kind of pulled up, there was this one
that kind of shows like the connections between them all.
And again there's some that are like you know, like
down here, that are kind of off on their own.
They were involved in certain research projects or you know,
like you said, nuclear fusion, nuclear fusion research, pharmaceutical research,
and anti gravity research that don't necessarily have any connection
to the other ones. But then you have like the
right Patterson Air Force Base was funding research for them,
here's Kirkland Air Force Base building nuclear weapons and you
know NASA Research Scientists administrative assistant. See there you go,
uh former employee of Lost Lost Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: It was one of the most one of the most
important places in US history. Yeah you know.
Speaker 3: Oh well, and then again NASA over here as well.
Speaker 4: So you know this.
Speaker 2: And I mean Carl, I remember his story because he
was a wild ago and I remember him being in
the news.
Speaker 4: That's a it's a really tragic story. It's a it's
a really tragic story, and a really strange story too.
I mean, Carl is Carl's killed in his home, which
is unusual. He's he's murdered at his home and he's
at first. Okay, so let's let's back up. Carl's an
extremely important scientist that does infrared work in telescopes, which
turns out to be extremely important when it comes to
astronomy and detecting far off bodies and perhaps perhaps spaceships
I don't know, but more likely just you know, really
high end astronomy knowledge. I believe it was claimed that
he may have discovered a planet with like a like
a planet that would sustain life. I think there was
like something like.
Speaker 3: That I read, but he read with water on it. Possibly,
Well that's what it was.
Speaker 4: That's what it was. Yeah, So I sustain life with
water on it. And so he lives in the middle
of nowhere on on you know, something like one hundred acres,
and he notices from his porch that there's this guy
with a rifle just like walking up and down on
his land that now he has no neighbors, so like,
there's this disgruntled person. So he calls the police, and
the police pick him up and they're like, what are
you doing? And he's like, oh, I was lost and
I needed this for my own protection from wild animals
or something. So the police, like I think, they book
him for some reason. But he gets out, and I
think something like two weeks later he goes back and
he kills Carl. It's horrible. It's a horrible story. And
I don't know. I I overall feel like about all
of these is the I don't believe they're all connected.
I really don't, but I do believe that some of
them likely are connected. This is kind of like a
puzzle where you're given too many pieces, is how it
feels to me. It's like, oh, you don't actually need
all these pieces. Some of these pieces are to kind
of throw you off the trail, you know. And I
think it also sounds more salacious if you're like a tabloid,
Like thirteen missing scientists is a lot scarier than five
missing scientists, right, Thirteen is way scarier. But maybe the
fib are connected and the other eight or not, you know, like,
and that's kind of like how some of this feels
to me, is that like some of these are being
looped in in a way that I'm like, I don't know,
I don't really see the key bono, as my friend
would say, like who benefits from the secretary dying? Like,
I don't think China benefits. I don't think non human
intelligence benefits. Like I just I don't see why unless
it was an accident. I just I just think that's
might just be coincidence. For example, I mean, some of
these are really weird. There's the one, the man that
dies from the Tesla. I don't know if you remember
this one. He's been in the news recently. I got
to find out where his name is. He was working
at NASA, and I want to say his name was.
I don't know if he's on your chart. He's one
of the newer cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there seems to be more being added to this.
The last I heard was fifteen, so you had mentioned thirteen.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well and they're not all the arts, Yeah, yeah, well,
I mean some of these are really really suspicious. They
just I mean, and the thing is is like, if
someone is murdered suspiciously, it doesn't mean that they're connected
to these other things, you know, like it could still
just it could be an unrelated crime. I think it's
difficult because we as a community. Like, honestly, this whole
issue has been very painful to me too. Like I'm
not trying to be dismissive. I'm not as like a
coping mechanism. I think it's very awful that people are
being murdered and disappearing, and it's and you know, long
has been this idea that people who try to spill
secrets about UFOs do get killed. I mean, David Grush
literally brought this up at the hearing in front of Congress,
but he wouldn't name names because you know, there's there's
legal ramifications, but he I mean, I I do believe
that that our government and other governments would kill to
keep secrets. Do I believe one hundred percent? Do I
believe that would they would they fake things or say
that someone's self harmed instead of telling the truth that
they just you know, threw them off a bridge. Of
course they would. Of course they would, because in their calculation,
they are helping more more of people in their country
than they're hurting. It's the classic needs of the many
and the needs of the few. They think they're doing
the right thing. I don't, but they do.
Speaker 3: Agree.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I mean, it's a very difficult case.
And the only thing I would say to if anyone
in the audience is really excited or curious, is just
remember that the family members are still grieving in many
of these cases, and they don't know anything. Even if
their husband or wife or partner was involved in a
UFO program, they're not going to tell them. And the
reason they're not going to tell them is they don't
want that husband, wife or family member to get hurt.
And that's why you don't tell people things, is just
exactly so those things don't happen to those people you love.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think there's, like you said, there's a lot of
lines being drawn and some of them may connect in
that and I don't know. I think that a lot
of this is trying to connect things that aren't really there.
But even still, it does point point a finger at
the larger picture. You know, like you said, that this
stuff is happening. Whether they're connect or not, it's possible
that they are, you know, being silenced and stuff. You know,
Like like you had mentioned, Grush was very adamant that
he felt that his life could be in danger by
coming forward, and he knew of other people he couldn't
talk about because I think in the hearing he specifically
says that he took it to the proper authorities and
there is an investigation and he didn't want to talk
about it because it would threaten things of the investigation
and it wasn't allowed to be spoken about, which I
mean that tells you a lot right there, that you know,
they know that this stuff is happening, and you know
they're they're I don't know, supposedly looking into it.
Speaker 4: But it's just I mean, the truth of the matter
is we all we all have our cognitive biases. I
am very biased against the intelligence community. I'll just be
honest with you. I am very critical of them, But
there are not proper oversight. There's not proper congressional oversight
over the intelligence communities America. That is the most polite,
kind and concise way that I can say it, and
it is unequivocally true. And they do things like say, well,
you don't need to know that, or you don't need
to see my budget, or you don't need to know
what really happened. And it's the classic who watches the
watchers problem? You know, like and when you can say,
well that's a secret, you don't get to know that,
then how does anyone check if you're there's no check
in balance with the intelligence community. And that's very scary.
I mean Chuck Schumer has expressed fear. And when he
did that, he was the Senate majority leader of one
of the two parties that governs America. And I mean
it's a really crazy moment. He's like, you know, they can.
I think he says something like they can get you
twelve ways to Sunday or something like they can, like
you don't mess with those people. They can get you
twelve ways to Sunday. When he's talking about the intelligence community.
I mean, he's right he's right, I want to be clear,
he's correct, but it is also strange that he's expressing fear.
And if he's expressing fear, that means that the the
oversight role is not being done. And that's that's what
I am most alarmed by. Is it like nobody's nobody's
watching these things, so you know, take that for what it.
Speaker 3: Is, absolutely, and it's it's so hard.
Speaker 2: You know, we're told, you know, from a young age,
you know, trust your government, we're here to help and
all that stuff. But yet at the same time they
white lie about all so many things.
Speaker 3: And and for good reason.
Speaker 2: We'll say on some things, you know, like you know,
top secret military or you know, like where we're at war,
what intelligence we have or whatever, stuff like that. But
when they come out and they say, you know, like,
oh that that aircraft you saw, that's not ours. We
don't know nothing about that, that you didn't see nothing.
And then two weeks later, guess what, we have a
brand new aircraft and this is what it is. And
we're like, but you said you didn't have that, like
you just you just said you didn't have that. Oh, well,
we we were just kidding because we we didn't want
it out. Well, what else are you you know, what
else are you not telling us? You look at you know,
people always want to talk about like, well I don't
believe in you know, telekinesis or remote viewing or all
of these, you know, the men who stare up storylines
and stuff. And then do you do you realize, like
if you Foyer requests this stuff or just the stuff
that's bendy classified, they've done all this. They have, of course,
all this stuff, and the average person that you know
just kind of skims over these topics goes, oh, that
stuff's all fake. But the government has documents saying, well
it's real. We just it's not actionable, you know.
Speaker 4: And yeah it's not. It's not it's not reliable enough,
which is a different I mean, like the reliability in
war is might be a higher threshold than like the
reliability of usefulness or even you know what I mean,
it's a different thing. I mean, I was having a
conversation the other day about someone who's just getting into
the UFO topic, and this is going to get back
to write. What you were just talking about is how
the people who enter the topic slowly gain a disdain
and distrust for the US government because of the unimaginable
amount of lies. And I told him that there is
a reason there seems to be a bias overall in
the paranormal community towards a political conservatism or small government conservatism.
And I don't mean Republican, I just mean the philosophical
concepts of small governance. And part of that is is
because there's a disdain and a distrust. How do you
believe in a large government serving you when the governments
you have currently you feel its constantly lying to you.
It's hard to trust that. It's hard to get behind
that idea. And he was like completely blown away with
this idea, and I was like, it's really not that
hard to think that. If you think someone's always lying
to you, do you want to hang out with that person?
Do you trust them? Do you want to give them
your money? And like I pointed that out to him.
But again, it's not a D or an R kind
of question. It's a more of a philosophical approach to
political philosophy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And then there's you know, to to quote certain people.
You know, there's there's all this fake news out there,
you know, because there's so much AI, and here's here's
you know, there's there's oh my gosh, look there's this
this person's lying, and here's the photographic proof. And here's
the newspaper articles and it's all fake and you don't know,
you know, like here's a front page New York Times,
you know article. Here it is, I'm holding it up.
I printed it on my own computer, you know, and
it's one hundred percent bull crap, you know, And you
don't know anymore that the most realistic stuff can be
just a blatant lie. And then when someone comes out
and says, no, really trust me, well who who do
you trust? Because there's so much of.
Speaker 3: This out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, when I was preparing for this the
uh talking about the I knew we were gonna be
talking about the missing scientists question. And there was a
newspaper that I don't know if your viewersknew no this,
but a lot of newspapers use AI to write faster,
which is perhaps not the best practice. Especially anyway, they
wrote that Michael Schallenberger had testified to Congress about one
of the scientists being missing. I believe it was Amy Eskridge,
that she had been that she had been murdered or
something that Michael Shallenberger had testified to Congress about this. Well,
here's the thing. Michael Shallenberger had in fact testified to
Congress about UFOs. That's true, and then the AI grabbed
that truth and then this story and somehow I was
like good enough or just maybe it glitched or whatever
it did, and it combined the two things that did
not happen. Michael Shallenberger did not testify. I watched the
whole thing live, did not at all testify about this
case or Amy s Bridge in any way, shape or form.
He didn't make comments about on his sub stack. It
never happened. And so that, you know, that was printed.
And that's one of the other reasons why people might
might get this story wrong, and that makes it hard
to follow. Is now we're kind of getting this AI
slop that's thrown into the news cycle and to further,
you know, to further make it harder to understand and
already hard to understand story, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you saw this or not.
It was in the news I think two weeks ago.
There was a researcher who wrote this complete fabricated research
paper about a new disease that was researched by Starfleet
Academy and it was endorsed by I can't remember what
the other not that there was some other, you know,
like the Empire or something from Stars I can't remember
the other Lovely Lovely and something else and all this
crap in there, and they waited like six months to
a year it was, and then they google searched it
and AI wrote it up as an actual thing that
they put in the symptoms and it came up, yes,
you have this disease. It was researched by Starfleet Academy
and all this stuff, and they're like, you gotta be
kidding me. And this was just in the news, I
want to say, the last two weeks, maybe three weeks
ago now, But yeah.
Speaker 4: It's It's funny because I absolutely love working with AI
and I work with it constantly, like my work is
kind of realigning to work with AI. But it's just
like any new technology that if you don't understand the
consequences and then the pitfalls, you're just gonna it is
still it's it's not a completely reliable actor. It really isn't.
And as much as I think the problem is it's
the easy button. I don't know if you remember these
commercial staples used to have this thing called the easy button.
You'd hit the easy button and it would just get
it done for you, do the work for you. But
the problem with this easy button is it's like it's
like having a brilliant assistant that can, you know, do
the work of five people, but every once in a
while just decides to set fire to the entire house,
and you don't know when it's gonna happen. It's just
gonna happen, and suddenly you're gonna wake up and your
house is in flames, and you're like, what's happening? You
hit the easy button too many times, is the problem.
And that's kind of where we are with AI, and
a lot of people are grappling with that problem. I
don't have the right answer for it yet, but I
think eventually we might get to that one.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I want to take a moment here and remind everyone
that today's episode is pre recorded. Both myself and I
and we are literally probably on our way to the
Contact Modalities Expo in Delavan, Wisconsin, so we decided to
pre record today. So if you have questions or comments,
I apologize, we're not here to take them. But you
lead into this, and I think this is interesting as well.
So you know, you talk about AI setting fire to
your house, you know, and there's so many movies you
know that foreshadow this exact thing of how AI is
going to become more advanced and take over and destroy us.
And speaking speaking of I'm transitioning here, but speaking of movies.
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, there you go there, you know what movie
is coming out?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a very important movie to our topic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yes, there, So perhaps the most important filmmaker.
I'm gonna I'm gonna pause on this. I think that
the person who's making this film may actually be low
key the most important person on UFO disclosure in history.
So that person is Steven Spielberg. And so this is
his third movie, which might be the third blockbuster about
humans having contact with alien life, and this is you know,
Disclosure Day is coming up on June twel wealth. It
looks fantastic. It's a deeper dive into the phenomena. Of course,
his first, his first movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
is an immortal classic and it still holds up. It
still is fantastic. I think it's required viewing, even though
it's from nineteen eighty. I recently rewatched it and was
surprised how good it is. Of course, Et Extraterrestrial, which
is a really cute version of things, an incredible classic too,
and then this one. I mean, here's what happens. When
you inspire people to imagine these kind of things. They
open themselves up to those ideas, they have those conversations
with each other. A lot of the problem that we've
had about discussing this topic is the stigma and the
shame of talking about it. I have talked to so
many people in rural Wisconsin about their stigma and their
shame of sharing, of even tell people that they saw
a UFO. It is often extraordinarily hard to pull those
stories out of people and get them get anyone to
sit for a camera. And it's because of this shame
and movies like Disclosure Day and Close Encounters of the
third kind they help inspire people, They open the imagination,
They help normalize the topic in a way that is
incredibly profound. That is no less important than the researchers
or the legislators who are doing work on this topic
as well. So I am extremely excited about it. I
have considered buying out a theater and just like inviting
people I care about to show up, because I mean, like,
you know, that might be fun. I don't know I'm
actually gonna do that. It's quite expensive, but I'm super
super interested in it. I'm super excited for the possibility
of it going forward. I'm not afraid of disclosure at all.
I'm not afraid of living with non human intelligence. I'm
ready for it now. At this point, I'm as much
as I can be. I'm very optimistic about it. I think,
maybe more than than most people, and that's kind of
how I feel.
Speaker 2: I recently saw that Steven Spielberg spoke out I think
it was at a comic con, and they said that
this was the first time he was ever at comic con.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that was That was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: And he said that there was more fact than fiction,
or more true than than you know, made up in
this new movie, which is very interesting because a lot
of these people that have worked on other television shows,
other movies and stuff have said that when they're working
on certain you know, space aspects, extraterrestrials and stuff, that
people from the government or other agencies have come to
them and said, we want to help you with this project.
And this goes too, Yeah, this goes all the way
back to you know, Roswell and stuff, where supposedly there
is this survey done to see what would happen if
we announced disclosure today, you know, and they said, well,
everyone would lose their mind. And they said, well, how
do we how do we fix that? And they said, well,
slow trickle disclosure, get them used to it, and make
it mainstream. And I think right now we're pretty much
at the most mainstream if you look at the stuff
that's coming out of you know, the newspapers and television.
Speaker 3: Again, we were going back to you know, fake news
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But still all the stuff that's coming out and people
don't even beat an eye at it. You know, Congress
has a hearing and they say, oh, yeah, aliens are real,
and we have bodies and we have craft. They're in
a warehouse, but I can't talk about unless we're in
a skiff and the news posts and everyone's.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I know, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting
you bring that up. I could talk to you more
about modeling disclosure if you want me to or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've actually been working this is I haven't
told any public public people about this yet, but I've
been working on AI software that models UFO disclosure different
scenarios and how it would play out by using AI
agents to simulate hundreds of people of different backgrounds, of
different political positions, important people, less important. I mean when
I mean important, I mean like leaders of countries and
things like that. And I've been modeling different disclosure outcomes
and trying to get that software ready for people to
kind of play around at home to see what would happen.
And I think it's really fun. It's built on some
of the latest AI technology that you can do called
agentic swarms, and basically the AI makes lots of copies
of itself. Those copies interact with almost like us. They
have like personalities. They're each given like a personality card,
and then they interact and then they interact again, and
they interact again, and they interact again, and they interact again,
and because of their interactions, like things happen in the
simulation and then you're given a summary at the end
of it, and then you can ask the like ten
page summary like questions about what happened with another AI agent.
So I've been working on that and it's it's been
really fun. I don't know if anyone's gonna use it,
but like you know, I've been enjoying it because, like
you know, I've been I've been having you know, things
like what would happen if Shi Jinping releases information about
UFOs to try to beat Trump to the punch, or
what happens if Vladimir Putin does or what if it's
a fake one, or what if it's an Edward Snowden
moment or you know. I've been able to model all
of these things, and it's it's kind of interesting. It
doesn't end up as bad as people think long term,
but short term it's kind of bad. So that might takeaway.
Speaker 3: It all works out, but it kind of does.
Speaker 4: It kind of actually like like you know, the weird
the funny thing is that the stabilizing force, the stabilizing
force in the world, is not the US government. It's
it's the markets and greed. That's actually what stabilizes everything.
It's like wha, what what what what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: What? We can make money on this?
Speaker 5: Okay, calm down, everybody, come down, come on, like and
that's actually what ends up happening in the in the modeling,
it's like, Oh, as soon as they like like like
figured that out, then like like the reality like reasserts
itself and everybody's cool again.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've you've seen this commercial that's
out right now like airing on the National TV or whatever.
But it's this betting agency and this guy's out playing
golf and there he's like, oh, I can't think with
the name of the betting agents. So the commercial is
not doing its job obviously, but have you heard of
this you know, betting app or whatever. And he's like, oh, yeah,
you can bet on anything, including UFO sightings, and they
go is that a real thing? And then they pan
over and there's two like gray aliens playing golf and
they're like.
Speaker 4: Oh, how have I not seen this? This is amazing?
How have I not seen this?
Speaker 2: This is time like my watch. And then then they're like, yeah,
but but we still haven't been to the moon. And
then these two astronauts go by on a golf court
and they're.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we were, and they take off and yeah it's.
Speaker 2: There's there's a second one too, with a crashed ufo,
but I only saw it once and I've never seen
the rest of it. But there's a crashed ufo on
the golf course.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to find this.
Speaker 2: It's uh kobe Shi or Kabashi or something is the
name of the it's I I'm not endorsing it obviously,
so I don't know. But it's something like that, but
it's it's a it's an online gambling betting app or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I really do think it's in the
in the cultural consciousness. I mean, as silly as it sounds.
You know, the emoticons on your phone, you know those
little little symbols that people use. We have both the
flying Saucer emoticon and the gray alien one are baked
right in there. And I find that really interesting if
you think about it, because it's almost like, oh, this
is already literally part of your pictorial language. Like it's
already part of like And of course it doesn't necessarily
literally mean alien or extraterrestrial or interdimensional being or time traveler.
It sometimes it conveys all these different ideas, and I
just find that so fascinating. Like I often respond to
people's texts with like a UFO. I don't respond with
like a smiley face or something. I do that instead.
It's like my own way of like kind of like
stamping it into their minds a little bit more.
Speaker 2: It's it's everywhere. I mean talking about like, you know everything,
I mean Roku. I have a Roku TV and the
loading screen is an UFO beaming up the Roku logo.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, why why is this all of a sudden
everywhere A couple of years, I think it was two
years ago now forty one Highway forty one here in
Wisconsin between Appleton and Fondelac, I think.
Speaker 3: It was, there was three billboards with big Foot. Oh
really yeah. There was two.
Speaker 2: Cars and an insurance company or something at the time.
But in just that small stretch of highway, three billboards
with Bigfoot on them. And I mean this stuff is
you know, not to get off the UFOs, but I
mean UFOs, Bigfoot, all this stuff has just become so
mainstream that it is everywhere now, And you gotta wonder
is there a reason for that? Are we being trickle
disclosed like we were talking about, is this supposed to
be the you know, is this what they're trying to
do is just put this in your head constantly so
that when they come out and say all this stuff
is real bigfoots and alien you know, and all this
stuff and just drop it on you, you're like, yeah, okay,
you know.
Speaker 4: This kind of reminds me getting back to like the
Steven Spielberg movies. And I remember, like I was doing research.
I haven't actually published an episode about this, but I
was doing research on the first UFO sidings in Wisconsin
and it's from actually Jeff, who's going to be at
your event is did a podcast about this before me,
and then I kind of went to the State Historical
Society to get more original documentations like it kind of
like one thing I would encourage people to do if
you actually want to do research is go to the
source of anything, especially in the era of AI. Go
to the original source and watch it yourself. Don't read
a summary. Go go to the original source. I can't
stress that enough. But there was this idea in eighteen
ninety seven of these it's called like the Phantom Airships Saga,
and so there was these glowing airships that show up
around San Francisco and like eighteen ninety seven. I'm going
to unfortunately make the shortest version of the story because
it's quite long. And they start making their way across
the country and they're just like these glowing flying machines,
and some people think that like there's men on bicycles
on them, and some people think that they're aliens. And
there's all these wild stories, but it captures the nation
in a weird way. People start buying like opera glasses
and going out every night in little telescopes and looking
and trying to track these these phantom airships. And they're
seen in like eighteen states, including Wisconsin, where it's one
of the airships supposedly docs at like the tallest building
in Milwaukee at the time, and the Milwaukee Sentinel paper
actually read people have stopped asking in the evening, how
are you doing, or saying good evening. Instead they say
have you seen the airship? Have you seen the airship?
And it really had kind of captured the consciousness in
an unusual way, and Thomas Edison had to say that
he didn't, you know, these aren't his inventions, Like people
kept asking if it was Edison, and so like kind
of nothing nothing, you know, one ever found out where
the airships came from. People believed it was a maybe
a beetlejuice sighting of the of the celestial body. But
there was a takeaway from it that often gets missed
when people tell this story. Is there if you keep reading,
people suddenly become increasingly fascinated with the idea of flying
and the possibility of humans flying. And in fourteen more
years what happens is the Right Brothers take flight. So
there is something about changing the consciousness, even if it's
just simply empowering people to think, hey, that might be possible.
That might be an engineering problem I can solve, and
somehow like just changing the consciousness of humanity allow humans
to fly. And I think that the phantom airship is
really part of that great experience and why we have
planes today.
Speaker 3: That is fascinating.
Speaker 2: And I've heard this stuff before. I know Chad Lewis,
I'm sure you know as well. He talks about the
phantom airships and these, you know things with the circus
because the P. T. Barnum for Barnham got blamed for
him as well, saying he did this is you know,
clearly one of his things, you know, because it's it's
larger than life and stuff it. It makes me wonder though,
with with what you said, was there ever an airship
or was this back in the day people putting that,
you know, back back to the UFO disclosure, what if
there's something in the sky? You know, And now the
newspapers are reporting people are seeing this, it's this thing
up there and you're you're starting that trickle disclosure that
that feeding those little things way back then, you know,
was there ever any airships or was it just them saying,
you know, what if what if there was something in
the sky, would you go look for it?
Speaker 3: Do you believe us?
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's all that the human psychology and
and looking into that because I didn't catch when when
when was.
Speaker 3: This all going on?
Speaker 4: We started in eighteen ninety seven, it's my understanding. Way
back it goes from eighteen ninety seven, I think to
eighteen eighty eighteen ninety eight, I think it goes. It's
like it's like a six to nine month kind of adventure.
And that's the other weird thing about it is like
the airships don't go very fast in the story. They
go pretty slow.
Speaker 2: And this I'm sorry, there's there's story going back, and
I've I've realized this when I started like listening to
that story, like when when Chad was talking about it
and I started looking into it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, if you watch a doctor who.
Speaker 4: I have, I've not seen uh in a while, but
I watched like five seasons of it. Maybe good enough.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's all right.
Speaker 2: They when when Disney took it over, they put it
on Disney Channel for a little while here, and one
of their episodes was this flying airship and there was
I don't know if there are goblins or I think
there are goblins were supposedly piloting this and they went
around kidnapping babies, and I went, that's that's really interesting.
And then I started to remember there's a lot of
fairy folklore way back going into this about these flying
airships and this whole storyline as well with that. So
here's another, you know, storyline of goblins or fairies or
something that have these airships that were going around and
I don't know when this, you know, I don't know
a lot about I didn't dig that deep into it,
but there's all these mythology and folklore and stuff going
into that as well. That that ties all this stuff together.
A lot of these stories are cross modalities. You know,
you have the fairies, you have the UFOs, you have
you know, these airships are across all these modalities of
having these stories going back, and you really got to
wonder what does that mean?
Speaker 3: You know, is is there truth behind this? Is there
there more going on?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's always more going on. I mean
that's even even if you don't even if you don't
believe in the paranormal. I think it like, if you
don't believe in anything parentormal, you would probably agree that
there's more going on because that's the pursuit of human knowledge.
That's the great the great field of science. It's like
there's always more to learn, there's always more to know,
there's always ways to improve, and so you know, there
is more out there. And that's the exciting part about
the human existence and the human experience is like what
is next? What can I find next? What can I do?
What can I learn?
Speaker 3: Interesting?
Speaker 2: We were coming up on the end of the show
here today, so anybody, again, we are not live. We
are prerecorded, so if there's comments or questions, I apologize
for that. We're not here we are on our way
to Contact Modalities Expo. Before we wrap things up. There's
also one other thing going on in the news, and
this is mostly I want to say, there's one other
person that brought this up, but it was mostly Anna Polina.
Luna has been talking a lot about the Book of Enoch. Oh,
everyone should.
Speaker 4: Read this, and we made me read. It made me read.
Speaker 3: I literally did as well. Now, so but what do
you make of that? Wait?
Speaker 2: Where where does your thought go when you have this
congressional leader and you know, the head of disclosure and
this this big name in this thing talking about now
we're going into the religious texts to understand ufology and
UAPs and interdimensional extra traditionalism.
Speaker 4: What does this say? Well, I mean, to be honest,
it's it's even it's more, it's worse than that, like
you have. I think his name is Benny Johnson. A
conservative podcaster, asked Vice President J. D. Vance a very
similar question. He asked me about UFOs and Vance says,
this was this year, by the way, this was this
was not like ten years ago. This is this year.
I think maybe February. He says, I believe they're demons.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: And so you have the Vice President of the United
States telling you that the UFOs and the sky are demons,
and you have a congresswoman who is essentially the de
facto head of the UAP Caucus telling you to read
the Book of Enoch. It's deeply it's deeply challenging and
frustrating for me because I want to approach these things
as scientific and I want to understand things and expand
the breadth of human knowledge through the best tool we have,
which is science, and I can't do that when we
reach for tools from the Bronze era. On the other hand,
it's possible that there's something in these original texts that
is true and has merit, and she can't really say it.
This is a code, you know what I mean, Like
she's in this skiff and she said and that, you know,
they say, like, you can't say anything about this stuff.
She can say, well, I can talk about the Bible, right,
And they're like, you can talk about the Bible you're
Christian or whatever, And so she brings up the Bible
and I understand. The Book of Enoch is not a
canonized book, but it is still used by some forms
of Christianity. Just to be clear and the Book of
Enoch is a wild adventure. And I struggle to know
like precisely what she's referring to. Maybe you have an idea,
because like it is a like maybe maybe it's the angel,
the angel human hybrids, the sin of lust where the angels,
the male angels, are smitten by the beautiful women human
women on earth, and then they have these horrible children,
these horrible children that are the Nephilim, and the Nephilim
are these beasts like abominations that just destroy everything. They
eat people, animals, each other, and they just destroy cities,
and like then God punishes the age for the sin.
It's like it's just like a wild ride. The Book
of Enoch. It's it's it's it's a good story if
you like stories. So I'm curious what you think about it.
But that's kind of like how I feel like. It's
it's frustrating that this is the text we're given and
we're told that these things are demons. I don't think
it's helpful for having rational adult conversations though.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's really not. And and you kind
of hit the hit the nail on the head there.
That's that's pretty much sums up the Book of Enoch,
And what are you supposed to make of that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And and so this is what I took away, and
I don't I don't know anything that this has to
do with it. But she does talk about she in
the Book of Enoch, they talk about like God kills
the Nephilum, but their spirits have to stay on earth.
And these are what the demons are, and they're the
ones that are possessing people. They're the ones that are
causing like all the stuff that when we when we
in the paranormal world talk about demons and you know,
the thing on your shoulder that's telling you all these
bad things and leading you to sin. These are the
spirits of the Nephalom and that that's what I took
away from the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 3: But then you know, you have like he.
Speaker 2: Talks about how these the watchers or the bad angels
that came to earth and did all this stuff and
and gave us all the information.
Speaker 3: That's that was the other thing is they come down
and they teach us things.
Speaker 4: They do I miss that story, but you're correct. The
angels come down and they teach us. I think basically
science and math and.
Speaker 3: War, how to kill each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say it even says magic, but
I'm not sure that's true. Like maybe it was. Yeah,
you know, whatever whatever magic is to someone in the
Bronze era could just be technology. I don't know. So,
you know, the when you were saying about the the
Nephilum spirits being on Earth and they're the they're the
demons or they're the devils, like these little spirits that
on your shoulder, that's very very similar to the canonical
beliefs of scientology. I think that that's worth bringing up.
And I'm not trying to I'm not trying to mock
scientology or the Book of Nephlom. I'm just saying like
they're canonically very similar. It's maybe worth noting. I don't
know what that means. Maybe it means nothing, but that's
just thought I would bring that up.
Speaker 2: And the more you look into all these different historical stories,
we'll say, like you know, the Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians,
all these different religions and theories and stuff whatever you.
Speaker 3: Want to call them.
Speaker 2: I'm not politically correct all the time, but all that stuff,
I thought this also was interesting because it talks about
in the book Enoch how the he basically buries the
certain angels that the fallen angels will say in under
the ground, which is also very interesting because if you're
familiar with like Greek and Roman mythology, you have the Titans,
and these guys were these big beings and stuff. They
were the originals and all, you know, where everything came from,
and they get buried underground and sentenced to the same thing.
And so I literally just read Percy Jackson's whole you
know series, and this is why I'm familiar with the Titans.
But it was very interesting to say, like, well, here's
another you know, analogy of these two stories linking up.
And but again going back to why is she talking
about this?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea how you connect.
Speaker 4: This back to I feel I do feel like it's
a code. I do feel like she's trying to tell
us something. But the problem is it's a very muddled code,
giving someone, you know, a Bronze era folklorish text and
telling us translate this to the modern, you know observations
of UFO, and the phenomenon is just it's it's maybe
doing more harm than good. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Actually we will leave that there. Man, So you you
have yourself a whole podcast website everything Alien Wisconsin. Tell
us all about that.
Speaker 4: I have a new website called alien Wisconsin dot com.
It has a kind of a fun feature on it
too that I was inspired by a different podcaster is
The new website has the ability to leave a story.
You can leave a ninety second audio file for me
if if it's a story like the idea would be
that we would, you know, maybe share it in a
future episode. So that's the idea. Or if you don't,
just want to say something nice to me or of
the show and hopefully not something to me, and you
know that that's on there. Alien Wisconsin on YouTube is
where we post new episodes and I will probably be
filming at contact Modalities. There will be an episode related
to that. So I'm really looking forward to it and
I'm looking forward to meeting everyone and saying hi. So
don't be a stranger if you see me like just
just I'm read simply friendly, So just tap me on
his shoulder and say hi, and I would I would
love to meet you there.
Speaker 2: Very cool, absolutely for anybody listening the link to your
website is in the show notes, so you guys can
have a direct link. Go check that out as well
as you can find both of us this coming weekend
here if you're watching this live, we are going to
be in Delivment, Wisconsin at Contact Modalities expot May first
to the third, and Cryptids, Anomalies and Paranormal Convention May ninth.
Speaker 3: In fund Black, Wisconsin. I say this so much, I
should know this by now. Awesome.
Speaker 2: Ian, Thank you so much for being on. One final thought,
what do you want from your research? From you know
what's going on in the world. What do you want
to leave people with today?
Speaker 4: I think I always tell people to believe in themselves
and believe in aliens.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, Ian, thank you so much for
being on. I look forward to hanging out with you
the next two weeks.
Speaker 4: Take great. Bye.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, that is our show for this week.
Thank you all for tuning in.
Speaker 2: Remember we are recorded today, so if we didn't answer
your questions, I apologize. Come find us in person, yell
at us there, whatever you want to do, but thanks
for tuning in, Thanks for watching, Thanks for all your
great comments.
Speaker 3: Because I'm sure there were some.
Speaker 2: Until next time, guys, remember to like, subscribe and share
all things here on the Untold Radio Network, and go
check out Cryptid's anomalies on the Paranormal Society if you
want more me or Alien Wisconsin if you want more Ian.
His links are in the show notes as well as
mine and all the Untold stuff. So until next time, guys,
remember we're all part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care,
be well, and I'll see you next week.
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