WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.759 What? 3 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:15.519 What's going to happen? What? 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.719 I help? 5 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:29.280 Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You already know 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.880 we got Miguel Connor with us tonight with a cult 7 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.439 elvis uh. 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:35.240 But before we. 9 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.799 Introduce him, I'm going to introduce the rest of the 10 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:39.159 crew and the rejects with us tonight. 11 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.320 I got myself obviously, and I got Heidi love with me. 12 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:45.640 Heidi, let everybody know what you deal is and where 13 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:46.679 they can find your amazing work. 14 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:48.280 Awesome. 15 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:49.960 I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rice. 16 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.039 You can find me everywhere podcasts are served and just 17 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.200 love to see either. I also have my own website, 18 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:56.759 Unfiltered rise podcast dot com. 19 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.399 Weesome links will be in the bottom and jin then Ninja, 20 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:02.320 what is up my man? Thank you very much for 21 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:05.239 joining us. Please let everybody know what your deal is. 22 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.640 Well, I'll say, first of all, thanks boss for having 23 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:10.959 me on. Of course, I love doing these panel shows. 24 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:16.599 Thank you, Heidi, Julia, Ethan, Robbie of course, and Miguel obviously. 25 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:18.680 Like a lot of young I'm not that young, but 26 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.719 maybe like a little younger than Eunich. So I'll say 27 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.480 I'm a little I'm young, and like a lot of 28 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:29.040 young magicians will say, I've listened to Miguel's show for 29 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.799 a long time, so I'm quite excited and yeah, I 30 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.519 think it'll be really great. So if people want to 31 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.480 follow me, they can follow me on Twitter x woucarm Reborn, 32 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:39.799 wuk O and g Reborn or the show. 33 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:41.920 A Threshold Saints at Spotify and Apple. 34 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:44.400 Awesome. You know that that is something I do want 35 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.079 to mention too. 36 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:46.760 I don't know if I mentioned it last time when 37 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.280 I had you on Miguel, but just like, just like 38 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.400 Room Soup, I used to listen to Miguil back in 39 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.599 the day too when I when I was surprising, So 40 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.439 it's actually kind of was like kind of unreal to 41 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:58.959 be like, Wow, this guy's on my show and I 42 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:00.640 used to listen to his stuff when I was studying 43 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:01.040 the occult. 44 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.439 Like it's pretty mind blowing. So yeah, I get it. 45 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.159 Cosmic Peach, Julia, please let us know what is going on. 46 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.479 Well, if you haven't found me yet, you never will. 47 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.039 But I'm happy to be in a cult reject so 48 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.800 you can find me here every now and again. Yes, 49 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:25.039 I have Cosmic Peach podcast and yeah, that's pretty much it. Oh, 50 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.000 I was gonna say, I do have an Instagram, Cosmic 51 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.520 dot Peach dot podcast. If people want to work with me, 52 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.680 the best way to do it is to go to 53 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.639 Instagram and email me from my link tree because I 54 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:40.080 never checked that inbox, so that's the way to do it. 55 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.719 But thanks for having me, Nick, This is going to 56 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:42.280 be a good one. 57 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.759 Hell yeah, of course, know whaten thank you for joining us, 58 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.360 Ethan Indigo, my man, what is up? 59 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:48.680 Let everybody know what you deal is. 60 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:54.240 Peace on earth. Honored to be here with everyone. Always 61 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.319 excited to learn communicate with you, guys. I'm a big 62 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:03.919 fan of everyone. Honestly, I'm I'm excited to hear Miguel's presentation. 63 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:09.919 Recently put out an article on a cult research institute 64 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.120 where the occult rejects have a bunch of writing, of course, 65 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.039 and uh yeah, I'm a ne'er do well writer, so 66 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.639 it's and I think a link to my writing is below. 67 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.360 Thanks, thanks so much, Nick, and everyone. 68 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.719 Of course, and Robbie Marx the o g himself. Let 69 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:28.719 everybody know what's up with you. 70 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:33.919 So yeah, so now my state, everybody here, and I 71 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.080 just want to say Miguel, you know, I've been excited 72 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.680 about this Occult Elvis projects since you started talking about 73 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.840 doing it. But I am R Marx or Robbie Marx. 74 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.439 You can check out my artwork, my podcast, all my 75 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.439 miscellaneous things that I have at my link tree at 76 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.919 link tree R M A r X. That'll get you everything. 77 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:57.960 Hell yeah, welesome, thank you very much. 78 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.639 And last but not least, my favorite garbage can dude, 79 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.560 JJ Vance not the vice president, What is up, sir? 80 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.000 How are you? And I think you are? 81 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.759 MUTI hey, they were your technical difficulties? 82 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.960 It creating, sir. I appreciate this, appreciate the invite, Migail. 83 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:12.560 Nice to nice to meet you. Start looking forward to 84 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.520 hearing about some ofccold Elvis. Big fan of A big 85 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.639 fan of the King myself, and nice to see all 86 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:18.920 the fellow of. 87 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:20.240 Cult Rejects here this evening. 88 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.360 JJ Vance not the vice president, host of Operations GCD, 89 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:29.439 and resident garbage can do true crime here at the 90 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.879 Occult Rejects. That's for nothing except for being an expert nothing. 91 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.000 That's what I'm an expert in pretty much save here. 92 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.600 I think I can say the same thing. All right, 93 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.879 So finally we got through all that about five minutes later. 94 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:44.800 Now we're going to get to the guest, Miguel A 95 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.279 on Bite. I'm sure most people know who you are already. 96 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.399 I mean, you're a staple in the occult community at 97 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.040 this point, I mean you have been for a while. 98 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.920 Just let everybody know who may I know who you are, 99 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:56.680 what your deal is, and what you're all about. 100 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.800 Sir oh Man, thanks for having me on. But god, 101 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.600 i'll this talk. I feel like I feel like you're 102 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:07.000 wheeling in some old dinosaur. I'm like the Fat Elvis podcasting, 103 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.079 you know. I remember one last show. It's gonna be 104 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:15.720 a Vegas suit exactly exactly. But yeah, just Miguel Connor, 105 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.879 a host of a young Bite off the cult Elvis. Yeah, 106 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:21.519 love what you guys do. When I was writing the book, 107 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.399 I'd often go into the uh into your podcast the 108 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.720 Occult Rejects, because it's nice. It's sometimes it's relaxing to 109 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.839 see people shoot the ship organically, you know, It's it's 110 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.040 kind of rare actually, so it was fun. And sometimes 111 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.759 I'd be like, we're working on the book, or I 112 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.800 wonder if Nick's been banned from YouTube again. That was 113 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.959 always it's happened so many times. 114 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.240 I was like, yeah, this is the fourth time. 115 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.680 Yeah exactly. It's like, will you make it? This time 116 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.000 will be this, this will be the one? 117 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:52.319 You know? 118 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:53.560 Yeah, yeah, you. 119 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.759 Know it gets bad. The only strikes I get anymore 120 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.720 from William Ramsey on my show. It's so weird. It's 121 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:04.000 like the funniest thing. Yeah, it's only tell me get stretched. Oh, Julia. 122 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:06.800 Was gonna say me for sure. 123 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:09.959 And William, who I just talked to today, we did 124 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:11.959 something on the Catcher in the Rye and we're not 125 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.920 even going to try to put that one on YouTube. 126 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.279 Oh nice, nice, all right. 127 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:21.199 So, Miguel cult Elvis, I mean, I'm assuming you're probably 128 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:22.600 a huge fan of them and that's why you got 129 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:26.199 into them, But like, what made you pick or maybe 130 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.319 you weren't a fan of them? No really, okay, so 131 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.279 what made you? What made you decide to even get 132 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.240 into covering a cult Elvis? 133 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:33.439 Then? 134 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.000 Oh well, Elvis had other plans. I suppose I never 135 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.000 was an Elvis fan. I was always a Beatles person. 136 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:41.959 Okay, yeah, I don't know. 137 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.439 If you young whippers snappers have ever watched the original 138 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:50.199 theater release of Pulp Fiction. You can't find it and 139 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.720 you have to. It's the original or release. Tarantino took 140 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:57.399 it out and you mentioned, Yeah, they're the Mia Wallace 141 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.879 Uma Thurman, you know, daughter of the great Buddhist scholar. 142 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.399 She's filming John Travolta, Vincent Vega, and the Cameron. She goes, 143 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.759 there are only two type of people in this world, 144 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.319 Elvis fans and Beatles fans. They can like each other, 145 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:15.439 but they're very different. Who you are says everything about you. 146 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.920 Then later in this one you can't find after they 147 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:20.959 go on the date, she goes, I think you're a 148 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.319 I think I know if you're an Elvis or a 149 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.879 Beatles fan. But it makes more context without that scene 150 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.439 that Tarantino delete it. So I was always a Beatles 151 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.839 fan forever. Now I'm an Elvis fan, and I explained 152 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:36.920 in the book what it is to be an Elvis fan. 153 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.360 But I never thought much of Elvis. I thought he 154 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.480 was like the you know, the music version of Mountain 155 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:49.160 Dew or McDonald's whatever and something like. And as I 156 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:53.480 got older, I started appreciating him, you know, his impact 157 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.639 and everything. And I did read a book about him, 158 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.959 like ten years ago, a biography that mentioned some of 159 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.120 his you know, esoteric practices. But that was at a 160 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.600 time when I was studying the cult and I was like, 161 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.800 oh man, these all these rock stars and artists are 162 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.519 into weird stuff. You know. Bowie was into Cabbala and 163 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.040 Paige into Thelema, and the Beatles into him. It's just 164 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.800 what they do on the side to help them with 165 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.759 their music. Didn't think about it. Was still a Beatles fan. 166 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.639 And then some of twenty twenty two I ran into 167 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:32.279 all these you might say, roadblocks that changed my mind, 168 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:40.600 or these directions having to do with two ayahuasca rituals, visions, synchronicities, everything. 169 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.759 My world was just turned upside down. And through that 170 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.279 suddenly this voice started saying, you know, Elvis, Elvis, there's 171 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.120 something I have to say. And I became completely obsessed 172 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.080 with the King. I couldn't I could only listen to 173 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.759 his music in the car. I had to watch you know, 174 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:02.240 his movies, documentaries, and just couldn't stop thinking about it. 175 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.679 And finally I just surrendered. I just said, you know, 176 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.639 I believe that all of us have a mission, and 177 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.799 the mission is very simple. Either you either listen to 178 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:17.080 God or your soul or your destiny, or you're going 179 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:18.759 to be in a lot of pain, and I'm old 180 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.120 enough to when these things happen, I just lean into 181 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.480 it and I don't ask questions because I'm tired of 182 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.679 the pain. So on a February twenty twenty three, I 183 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.039 just sat down with that one biography and I just 184 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.200 started writing, and in three months, the whole book came 185 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.000 out of me. As I like to say, it's like 186 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:43.879 my tagline, I became quantum Entangled with Elvis, we became 187 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.759 almost one and you know, and there's many reasons why 188 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.039 this book had to happen. We can talk about him, 189 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.200 but it was just something he wanted me to do. 190 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.960 It's like doing a favor for a friend. Sometimes the 191 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.519 friends ask you for a favor. Maybe it's to move 192 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.440 the couch Maybes did, and you just go, all right, 193 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.559 I'll just do it. I'll just do it. And I 194 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.720 did it, and I'm very happy I did it for him. 195 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.120 Is part of the favor of being like, maybe stuff 196 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.919 was not noticed that he was trying to say. 197 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.120 Yeah, it wasn't notice because this stuff is hidden in 198 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:18.039 plain sight. 199 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:18.960 You know. 200 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:22.039 As you guys know, Elvis was like the he was 201 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.679 like the conspiracy world. Before conspiracy, he was on the 202 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.639 tabloids and the documentaries and the bad blog posts and 203 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.639 all that. You know, Elvis landed from a spaceship, and 204 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:38.200 Elvis did that. Everything I got I got from biographies 205 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:42.360 that are, you know, very well lauded biographies. They came 206 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:48.759 from friends, family, Priscilla. The things that he saw, his 207 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:53.759 supernatural visions and magic abilities, and what he practiced and 208 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.519 what he read. It was always with a lot of 209 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.360 witnesses around him. There were people around him and you 210 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.799 can't trust them. And even his UFO encounters I detail 211 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.120 three or four in the book. He was never alone 212 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:08.600 with them. It's not like he went, you know, I 213 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.279 had a UFO encounter. There were people there. They happened 214 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.720 in Graceland and in his bel Air mansion and somewhere 215 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.039 in the desert. So everything I got, I just pruned 216 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:23.480 from all these biography and newspaper articles, and everything had 217 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.720 or ninety nine ninety five percent had eyewitnesses to it, 218 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:28.639 and it was all there, and it was up to 219 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.159 me to bring it all together in one book and 220 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.279 also try to explain why Elvis, why he's probably the 221 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.799 most remarkable person in the twentieth century. And that's something 222 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.000 that you know, Quentin Terrence, you know, I'm sorry, David 223 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.919 Lynch said, that's something that Leonard Bernstein said so many 224 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.080 people says that the greatest icon in the twentieth century 225 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.879 is Elvis. He is America. He represents America everything good 226 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.000 and bad. And in my argument is that you know, 227 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.200 we are losing our identity, country's fragmenting. If we want 228 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.720 to know what it is to be an American, the 229 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.039 spirit of Elvis is what's going to get us through 230 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.480 the other side. So I put all these ideas of 231 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:14.279 Elvis on a high level, through a union lens, a 232 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:18.840 Steiner lens, an alchemy lens, a psychological lens, even a 233 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.080 UFO lens, just so we can understand who this figure 234 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.480 is and maybe understand why he rose so fast and 235 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.559 also crashed so hard at the end. Why did Elvis 236 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.120 leave the building so early? And it's always going to 237 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.720 be a mystery, but I try to give ideas so 238 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:37.799 that the reader can make up their. 239 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.440 Mind, so you do believe that he is, you know, 240 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.960 rip then, because you know there's always, yeah, there's theories 241 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.279 that he didn't really die when he died, and you know, 242 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:51.840 oh yeah, yeah. 243 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.639 I do. I do focus a chapter on it, and 244 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.360 there's so many and they're great, great conspiracies, great rabbit 245 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.960 holes to have fun with. But I do think at 246 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.759 the end his body did leave. I do show that 247 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.559 he knew he was going to die. He predicted it, 248 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.159 he told friends. Even his death is almost a ritual 249 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.320 when you look at it, even you know on the throne. 250 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.399 I mean, it's all symbolical. And he predicted that day 251 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:21.679 I was going to leave. But his material body did leave. 252 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.039 And people always like, well, he could have been a 253 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.960 did he go underground on the witness protection? That a 254 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:33.399 mob he moved to Argentine. But then Elvis fans say, look, 255 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.879 Number one, Elvis had more power than the president, and 256 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.720 he was mob connected. He was connected with the DA 257 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.840 he wrote, he said what was going to happen. That's 258 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.200 just the way he was. Number Two, if there were 259 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.600 two people that are important in his life at the time, 260 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.000 was Lisa Marie and his father Vernon, he would never 261 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.879 have abandoned. He would have taken them with them. If 262 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.559 you know, I'm going to move to Argentina or you know, 263 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.440 or become a pastor in Arkansas, Elvis would have not 264 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:04.000 left his family. It's just not something he did. I 265 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.240 think that's the best argument. 266 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.399 What do you think about his relationship with Priscilla because 267 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.480 there's so much stuff people say about how young she 268 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.720 was and like when they met, and like after she 269 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.279 moved to Graceland and it's like weirdness and stuff like 270 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:21.879 what are your thoughts about that? 271 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.799 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's many thoughts about that. Made again, 272 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:30.080 many theories of why this happened. I lean a lot 273 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:34.240 simply on her bio, Elvis and me, and you can 274 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.639 watch it in the Sophia Coppola movie Priscilla, and it's okay, 275 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:43.320 it gives you a picture. But my theory, or the 276 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:49.120 way I approach it, is that Elvis was a It's 277 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.840 hard to say there was an Oedipus thing with Elvis 278 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:57.039 because he lost his twin when he was born, and 279 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:01.759 Gladys could not conceive, and there was so Gladys became 280 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.720 very possessive and unfortunately it's we call it helicopter parenting, 281 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.679 but you could call it. It's called lethal enmeshment or 282 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.200 enmeshment where the mother won't let the child grow, so 283 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.679 the child is their egos never develop, and they become 284 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:21.559 this extreme of proxy husband plus little plateful, naughty child, 285 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.279 and she basically destroyed a psyche. I mean from the 286 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.639 get go, and it's a lot of damage. It's serious stuff. 287 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.960 We made joke about it. So he when she died 288 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.200 at only forty six, and he was in his early twenties, 289 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.200 right before he was going into the army, he was 290 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.080 completely crushed. That archetype of the mother was just taken away. 291 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.879 And he felt guilty because he always said, I don't 292 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.440 care about the money. I want to make my mom happy. 293 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.559 That's why I'm a millionaire. But she hated to think 294 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.080 with a passion because her proxy husband was out there 295 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.440 with other women touring and she started drinking, taking hills. 296 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.559 So he felt guilty that I gave my mom the 297 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.360 fame and she died because of it. And even his 298 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.159 father once blamed us that you killed you killed your 299 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:12.159 own mother. He never recovered there was kind of a 300 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.759 deal with the devil. Right, you want fame, I got 301 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.440 to take something from you. But it was so crushing 302 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.960 that he became obsessed with the idea of the mother 303 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.000 and anybody who looked like his mother. He lost it, 304 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.440 like why did he get into theosophy? Because he saw 305 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:34.320 a photo of Madame Blovotski was like mommy. And when 306 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.039 he saw Priscilla, he saw that something about her reminded 307 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.440 him of his mother, and he couldn't let go. He 308 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.159 had he could have had any woman of any stature 309 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.840 in the world at any time, but he had to 310 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.519 have Priscilla, and he you know, and he had her. 311 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:55.000 And as Priscilla writes, they did not consummate the marriage 312 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.639 until they were They did not consummate the relationship either 313 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.399 until they got married or right before there. I think 314 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.079 she slips a few times that maybe right before and 315 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.440 she and everybody said she was the one who wanted it. 316 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.680 Elvis was like in his spiritual kick and was like, no, 317 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.240 we must wait and this and that. But it was Priscilla. 318 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:24.880 So that's why she had hot draws. 319 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.960 Dance. She saw his pelvis moving, she was gonna jump all. 320 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:30.799 That come on. 321 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.319 But she was in her early twenties, that's all. I mean. 322 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.160 She was in the early twenties. Whenever they decided it 323 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.400 was time or whenever it happened. 324 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.400 So so was she into like all this stuff with him? 325 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.119 Was she was she doing like magical stuff you think? 326 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.599 Or no she sciente right later, Yeah, she did join 327 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:52.799 SCIENTI Elvis hated. 328 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.000 I was going to bring that up. I had had 329 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.200 that written down. Yeah, I noticed she mentioned. 330 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.480 That, right, What was the reason white daughter loved it? Right? 331 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.119 Mm hmm life of scientologists, both of them, right. 332 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.880 Yeah, yeah, and he hated them. They say he avoided 333 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.720 it like the cobra. It was a godless religion. He loved. 334 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.279 He was very accepting of all religions because he believed, 335 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.599 if you're looking for God, I respect you, except for scientology. Sure. 336 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.519 I've always wondered how scientology took that, you know what 337 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.119 I mean, because they don't like they don't like when 338 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:28.960 when families bad mouth of their family members about being 339 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:29.720 in scientology. 340 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.119 That's a big that's a big no note for old Zeno. 341 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:32.960 Yeah. 342 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:33.279 Yeah. 343 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.559 But once he once he was gone, that's when Priscilla 344 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.000 and Lisa Marie got into really need deep So oh, okay, 345 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:41.640 I hate it. 346 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.599 I thought she was, and I thought I was. 347 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.400 I thought there was like more of the nineteen sixties 348 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.920 movement type of situation for Priscilla. 349 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.559 No, No, it was in the seventies. In the sixties 350 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.839 she was with Elvis and uh she hated his occultism 351 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.920 and mystic Oh really, because he started becoming so detached 352 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.559 to the material world and so spiritual that a she wasn't, 353 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.839 you know, no more attention she was. He wasn't giving 354 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.039 her the attention as a woman that she wanted. H 355 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.759 and he almost twice, he almost quit the music industry 356 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.359 to be a monk, a Christian monk and an Hindu monk, 357 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.440 and it was all just too heavy for it. For example, 358 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.599 Elvis loved Manly P. Hall and wanted to go to 359 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.160 his lectures, but Elvis could not go to anywhere because 360 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.279 Kateus would ensue, right, he had to stay alone. So 361 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.799 he would send Priscilla to go listen to Manly P. Hall, 362 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.920 write notes and bring him to him, and he was 363 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:42.960 very happy. But she hated She hated his spirituality. So 364 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.880 did Parker, Colonel Parker the Memphis Mafia, because he was 365 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:48.839 he was really out of control. I mean, he was 366 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.480 like meditation circles with groupies and reading at night and 367 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.720 meditating and practicing this magic. And he just drove everybody 368 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.480 crazy because he hated his fame. He was done with it. 369 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.039 He just it meant nothing to him, and so it 370 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.279 drove him crazy. But eventually there was this concerted campaign 371 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.720 to put wedges between him and his spiritual teachers and this, 372 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.720 and eventually they won. They didn't win. What happened is 373 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:20.440 he went underground secretly, like he'd keep his books in 374 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:23.319 Vegas and all that. And I always I say, how 375 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.559 he turned into Vegas Elvis is very occult, you know, 376 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.240 the whole Egyptian ah that. I think he transferred that 377 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.359 energy into the Vegas Act. But he was still till 378 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.599 the day he died, he was really into the Western 379 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.440 esoteric tradition, Eastern traditions and anything. 380 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.480 Are you familiar with Tuesday Weld at all? 381 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:47.319 No? 382 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:51.440 No, JJ, do you know who I'm talking about. 383 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:53.519 One of my favorite coarriage is. 384 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.960 Life the Juge. She's like a witch, right, She's. 385 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:03.720 Like a. 386 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.880 Yeah, I would understand. 387 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:08.599 Well, Anton Levey had some kind of dedication to her 388 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.319 in his Satanic Bible. It was like Marilyn Monroe, Tuesday Well, 389 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:16.559 Jane Mansfield, but Tuesday Well, then elaborate like this. 390 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:20.680 They were like I knew they knew each other as 391 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:22.599 they acted together. I didn't, Yeah, I didn't know how. 392 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.400 I was curious to know how the relationship went. 393 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:25.839 Yeah. 394 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:28.039 There's even pictures of them where he's given her a 395 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:28.799 big smooch. 396 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:31.160 Yeah, yeah together. 397 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.680 Yeah, I think that there could have been a romance there, 398 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:35.559 but it it. 399 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.559 Just like with the kind of like the topic of 400 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:40.160 the episode. 401 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.160