Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 1: I help?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You already know
Speaker 4: we got Miguel Connor with us tonight with a cult
Speaker 4: elvis uh.
Speaker 5: But before we.
Speaker 4: Introduce him, I'm going to introduce the rest of the
Speaker 4: crew and the rejects with us tonight.
Speaker 5: I got myself obviously, and I got Heidi love with me.
Speaker 4: Heidi, let everybody know what you deal is and where
Speaker 4: they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 6: Awesome.
Speaker 7: I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rice.
Speaker 8: You can find me everywhere podcasts are served and just
Speaker 8: love to see either. I also have my own website,
Speaker 8: Unfiltered rise podcast dot com.
Speaker 4: Weesome links will be in the bottom and jin then Ninja,
Speaker 4: what is up my man? Thank you very much for
Speaker 4: joining us. Please let everybody know what your deal is.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll say, first of all, thanks boss for having
Speaker 9: me on. Of course, I love doing these panel shows.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Heidi, Julia, Ethan, Robbie of course, and Miguel obviously.
Speaker 9: Like a lot of young I'm not that young, but
Speaker 9: maybe like a little younger than Eunich. So I'll say
Speaker 9: I'm a little I'm young, and like a lot of
Speaker 9: young magicians will say, I've listened to Miguel's show for
Speaker 9: a long time, so I'm quite excited and yeah, I
Speaker 9: think it'll be really great. So if people want to
Speaker 9: follow me, they can follow me on Twitter x woucarm Reborn,
Speaker 9: wuk O and g Reborn or the show.
Speaker 3: A Threshold Saints at Spotify and Apple.
Speaker 5: Awesome. You know that that is something I do want
Speaker 5: to mention too.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I mentioned it last time when
Speaker 4: I had you on Miguel, but just like, just like
Speaker 4: Room Soup, I used to listen to Miguil back in
Speaker 4: the day too when I when I was surprising, So
Speaker 4: it's actually kind of was like kind of unreal to
Speaker 4: be like, Wow, this guy's on my show and I
Speaker 4: used to listen to his stuff when I was studying
Speaker 4: the occult.
Speaker 5: Like it's pretty mind blowing. So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: Cosmic Peach, Julia, please let us know what is going on.
Speaker 10: Well, if you haven't found me yet, you never will.
Speaker 10: But I'm happy to be in a cult reject so
Speaker 10: you can find me here every now and again. Yes,
Speaker 10: I have Cosmic Peach podcast and yeah, that's pretty much it. Oh,
Speaker 10: I was gonna say, I do have an Instagram, Cosmic
Speaker 10: dot Peach dot podcast. If people want to work with me,
Speaker 10: the best way to do it is to go to
Speaker 10: Instagram and email me from my link tree because I
Speaker 10: never checked that inbox, so that's the way to do it.
Speaker 6: But thanks for having me, Nick, This is going to
Speaker 6: be a good one.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, of course, know whaten thank you for joining us,
Speaker 4: Ethan Indigo, my man, what is up?
Speaker 5: Let everybody know what you deal is.
Speaker 2: Peace on earth. Honored to be here with everyone. Always
Speaker 2: excited to learn communicate with you, guys. I'm a big
Speaker 2: fan of everyone. Honestly, I'm I'm excited to hear Miguel's presentation.
Speaker 2: Recently put out an article on a cult research institute
Speaker 2: where the occult rejects have a bunch of writing, of course,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I'm a ne'er do well writer, so
Speaker 2: it's and I think a link to my writing is below.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks so much, Nick, and everyone.
Speaker 4: Of course, and Robbie Marx the o g himself. Let
Speaker 4: everybody know what's up with you.
Speaker 11: So yeah, so now my state, everybody here, and I
Speaker 11: just want to say Miguel, you know, I've been excited
Speaker 11: about this Occult Elvis projects since you started talking about
Speaker 11: doing it. But I am R Marx or Robbie Marx.
Speaker 11: You can check out my artwork, my podcast, all my
Speaker 11: miscellaneous things that I have at my link tree at
Speaker 11: link tree R M A r X. That'll get you everything.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, welesome, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: And last but not least, my favorite garbage can dude,
Speaker 4: JJ Vance not the vice president, What is up, sir?
Speaker 5: How are you? And I think you are?
Speaker 12: MUTI hey, they were your technical difficulties?
Speaker 13: It creating, sir. I appreciate this, appreciate the invite, Migail.
Speaker 13: Nice to nice to meet you. Start looking forward to
Speaker 13: hearing about some ofccold Elvis. Big fan of A big
Speaker 13: fan of the King myself, and nice to see all
Speaker 13: the fellow of.
Speaker 12: Cult Rejects here this evening.
Speaker 13: JJ Vance not the vice president, host of Operations GCD,
Speaker 13: and resident garbage can do true crime here at the
Speaker 13: Occult Rejects. That's for nothing except for being an expert nothing.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm an expert in pretty much save here.
Speaker 4: I think I can say the same thing. All right,
Speaker 4: So finally we got through all that about five minutes later.
Speaker 4: Now we're going to get to the guest, Miguel A
Speaker 4: on Bite. I'm sure most people know who you are already.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're a staple in the occult community at
Speaker 4: this point, I mean you have been for a while.
Speaker 4: Just let everybody know who may I know who you are,
Speaker 4: what your deal is, and what you're all about.
Speaker 1: Sir oh Man, thanks for having me on. But god,
Speaker 1: i'll this talk. I feel like I feel like you're
Speaker 1: wheeling in some old dinosaur. I'm like the Fat Elvis podcasting,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember one last show. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Vegas suit exactly exactly. But yeah, just Miguel Connor,
Speaker 1: a host of a young Bite off the cult Elvis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: love what you guys do. When I was writing the book,
Speaker 1: I'd often go into the uh into your podcast the
Speaker 1: Occult Rejects, because it's nice. It's sometimes it's relaxing to
Speaker 1: see people shoot the ship organically, you know, It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of rare actually, so it was fun. And sometimes
Speaker 1: I'd be like, we're working on the book, or I
Speaker 1: wonder if Nick's been banned from YouTube again. That was
Speaker 1: always it's happened so many times.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, this is the fourth time.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It's like, will you make it? This time
Speaker 1: will be this, this will be the one?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know it gets bad. The only strikes I get anymore
Speaker 4: from William Ramsey on my show. It's so weird. It's
Speaker 4: like the funniest thing. Yeah, it's only tell me get stretched. Oh, Julia.
Speaker 6: Was gonna say me for sure.
Speaker 10: And William, who I just talked to today, we did
Speaker 10: something on the Catcher in the Rye and we're not
Speaker 10: even going to try to put that one on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Oh nice, nice, all right.
Speaker 4: So, Miguel cult Elvis, I mean, I'm assuming you're probably
Speaker 4: a huge fan of them and that's why you got
Speaker 4: into them, But like, what made you pick or maybe
Speaker 4: you weren't a fan of them? No really, okay, so
Speaker 4: what made you? What made you decide to even get
Speaker 4: into covering a cult Elvis?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Oh well, Elvis had other plans. I suppose I never
Speaker 1: was an Elvis fan. I was always a Beatles person.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you young whippers snappers have ever watched the original
Speaker 1: theater release of Pulp Fiction. You can't find it and
Speaker 1: you have to. It's the original or release. Tarantino took
Speaker 1: it out and you mentioned, Yeah, they're the Mia Wallace
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman, you know, daughter of the great Buddhist scholar.
Speaker 1: She's filming John Travolta, Vincent Vega, and the Cameron. She goes,
Speaker 1: there are only two type of people in this world,
Speaker 1: Elvis fans and Beatles fans. They can like each other,
Speaker 1: but they're very different. Who you are says everything about you.
Speaker 1: Then later in this one you can't find after they
Speaker 1: go on the date, she goes, I think you're a
Speaker 1: I think I know if you're an Elvis or a
Speaker 1: Beatles fan. But it makes more context without that scene
Speaker 1: that Tarantino delete it. So I was always a Beatles
Speaker 1: fan forever. Now I'm an Elvis fan, and I explained
Speaker 1: in the book what it is to be an Elvis fan.
Speaker 1: But I never thought much of Elvis. I thought he
Speaker 1: was like the you know, the music version of Mountain
Speaker 1: Dew or McDonald's whatever and something like. And as I
Speaker 1: got older, I started appreciating him, you know, his impact
Speaker 1: and everything. And I did read a book about him,
Speaker 1: like ten years ago, a biography that mentioned some of
Speaker 1: his you know, esoteric practices. But that was at a
Speaker 1: time when I was studying the cult and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, these all these rock stars and artists are
Speaker 1: into weird stuff. You know. Bowie was into Cabbala and
Speaker 1: Paige into Thelema, and the Beatles into him. It's just
Speaker 1: what they do on the side to help them with
Speaker 1: their music. Didn't think about it. Was still a Beatles fan.
Speaker 1: And then some of twenty twenty two I ran into
Speaker 1: all these you might say, roadblocks that changed my mind,
Speaker 1: or these directions having to do with two ayahuasca rituals, visions, synchronicities, everything.
Speaker 1: My world was just turned upside down. And through that
Speaker 1: suddenly this voice started saying, you know, Elvis, Elvis, there's
Speaker 1: something I have to say. And I became completely obsessed
Speaker 1: with the King. I couldn't I could only listen to
Speaker 1: his music in the car. I had to watch you know,
Speaker 1: his movies, documentaries, and just couldn't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 1: And finally I just surrendered. I just said, you know,
Speaker 1: I believe that all of us have a mission, and
Speaker 1: the mission is very simple. Either you either listen to
Speaker 1: God or your soul or your destiny, or you're going
Speaker 1: to be in a lot of pain, and I'm old
Speaker 1: enough to when these things happen, I just lean into
Speaker 1: it and I don't ask questions because I'm tired of
Speaker 1: the pain. So on a February twenty twenty three, I
Speaker 1: just sat down with that one biography and I just
Speaker 1: started writing, and in three months, the whole book came
Speaker 1: out of me. As I like to say, it's like
Speaker 1: my tagline, I became quantum Entangled with Elvis, we became
Speaker 1: almost one and you know, and there's many reasons why
Speaker 1: this book had to happen. We can talk about him,
Speaker 1: but it was just something he wanted me to do.
Speaker 1: It's like doing a favor for a friend. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: friends ask you for a favor. Maybe it's to move
Speaker 1: the couch Maybes did, and you just go, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll just do it. I'll just do it. And I
Speaker 1: did it, and I'm very happy I did it for him.
Speaker 4: Is part of the favor of being like, maybe stuff
Speaker 4: was not noticed that he was trying to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't notice because this stuff is hidden in
Speaker 1: plain sight.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: As you guys know, Elvis was like the he was
Speaker 1: like the conspiracy world. Before conspiracy, he was on the
Speaker 1: tabloids and the documentaries and the bad blog posts and
Speaker 1: all that. You know, Elvis landed from a spaceship, and
Speaker 1: Elvis did that. Everything I got I got from biographies
Speaker 1: that are, you know, very well lauded biographies. They came
Speaker 1: from friends, family, Priscilla. The things that he saw, his
Speaker 1: supernatural visions and magic abilities, and what he practiced and
Speaker 1: what he read. It was always with a lot of
Speaker 1: witnesses around him. There were people around him and you
Speaker 1: can't trust them. And even his UFO encounters I detail
Speaker 1: three or four in the book. He was never alone
Speaker 1: with them. It's not like he went, you know, I
Speaker 1: had a UFO encounter. There were people there. They happened
Speaker 1: in Graceland and in his bel Air mansion and somewhere
Speaker 1: in the desert. So everything I got, I just pruned
Speaker 1: from all these biography and newspaper articles, and everything had
Speaker 1: or ninety nine ninety five percent had eyewitnesses to it,
Speaker 1: and it was all there, and it was up to
Speaker 1: me to bring it all together in one book and
Speaker 1: also try to explain why Elvis, why he's probably the
Speaker 1: most remarkable person in the twentieth century. And that's something
Speaker 1: that you know, Quentin Terrence, you know, I'm sorry, David
Speaker 1: Lynch said, that's something that Leonard Bernstein said so many
Speaker 1: people says that the greatest icon in the twentieth century
Speaker 1: is Elvis. He is America. He represents America everything good
Speaker 1: and bad. And in my argument is that you know,
Speaker 1: we are losing our identity, country's fragmenting. If we want
Speaker 1: to know what it is to be an American, the
Speaker 1: spirit of Elvis is what's going to get us through
Speaker 1: the other side. So I put all these ideas of
Speaker 1: Elvis on a high level, through a union lens, a
Speaker 1: Steiner lens, an alchemy lens, a psychological lens, even a
Speaker 1: UFO lens, just so we can understand who this figure
Speaker 1: is and maybe understand why he rose so fast and
Speaker 1: also crashed so hard at the end. Why did Elvis
Speaker 1: leave the building so early? And it's always going to
Speaker 1: be a mystery, but I try to give ideas so
Speaker 1: that the reader can make up their.
Speaker 10: Mind, so you do believe that he is, you know,
Speaker 10: rip then, because you know there's always, yeah, there's theories
Speaker 10: that he didn't really die when he died, and you know,
Speaker 10: oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I do. I do focus a chapter on it, and
Speaker 1: there's so many and they're great, great conspiracies, great rabbit
Speaker 1: holes to have fun with. But I do think at
Speaker 1: the end his body did leave. I do show that
Speaker 1: he knew he was going to die. He predicted it,
Speaker 1: he told friends. Even his death is almost a ritual
Speaker 1: when you look at it, even you know on the throne.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all symbolical. And he predicted that day
Speaker 1: I was going to leave. But his material body did leave.
Speaker 1: And people always like, well, he could have been a
Speaker 1: did he go underground on the witness protection? That a
Speaker 1: mob he moved to Argentine. But then Elvis fans say, look,
Speaker 1: Number one, Elvis had more power than the president, and
Speaker 1: he was mob connected. He was connected with the DA
Speaker 1: he wrote, he said what was going to happen. That's
Speaker 1: just the way he was. Number Two, if there were
Speaker 1: two people that are important in his life at the time,
Speaker 1: was Lisa Marie and his father Vernon, he would never
Speaker 1: have abandoned. He would have taken them with them. If
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to move to Argentina or you know,
Speaker 1: or become a pastor in Arkansas, Elvis would have not
Speaker 1: left his family. It's just not something he did. I
Speaker 1: think that's the best argument.
Speaker 10: What do you think about his relationship with Priscilla because
Speaker 10: there's so much stuff people say about how young she
Speaker 10: was and like when they met, and like after she
Speaker 10: moved to Graceland and it's like weirdness and stuff like
Speaker 10: what are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's many thoughts about that. Made again,
Speaker 1: many theories of why this happened. I lean a lot
Speaker 1: simply on her bio, Elvis and me, and you can
Speaker 1: watch it in the Sophia Coppola movie Priscilla, and it's okay,
Speaker 1: it gives you a picture. But my theory, or the
Speaker 1: way I approach it, is that Elvis was a It's
Speaker 1: hard to say there was an Oedipus thing with Elvis
Speaker 1: because he lost his twin when he was born, and
Speaker 1: Gladys could not conceive, and there was so Gladys became
Speaker 1: very possessive and unfortunately it's we call it helicopter parenting,
Speaker 1: but you could call it. It's called lethal enmeshment or
Speaker 1: enmeshment where the mother won't let the child grow, so
Speaker 1: the child is their egos never develop, and they become
Speaker 1: this extreme of proxy husband plus little plateful, naughty child,
Speaker 1: and she basically destroyed a psyche. I mean from the
Speaker 1: get go, and it's a lot of damage. It's serious stuff.
Speaker 1: We made joke about it. So he when she died
Speaker 1: at only forty six, and he was in his early twenties,
Speaker 1: right before he was going into the army, he was
Speaker 1: completely crushed. That archetype of the mother was just taken away.
Speaker 1: And he felt guilty because he always said, I don't
Speaker 1: care about the money. I want to make my mom happy.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a millionaire. But she hated to think
Speaker 1: with a passion because her proxy husband was out there
Speaker 1: with other women touring and she started drinking, taking hills.
Speaker 1: So he felt guilty that I gave my mom the
Speaker 1: fame and she died because of it. And even his
Speaker 1: father once blamed us that you killed you killed your
Speaker 1: own mother. He never recovered there was kind of a
Speaker 1: deal with the devil. Right, you want fame, I got
Speaker 1: to take something from you. But it was so crushing
Speaker 1: that he became obsessed with the idea of the mother
Speaker 1: and anybody who looked like his mother. He lost it,
Speaker 1: like why did he get into theosophy? Because he saw
Speaker 1: a photo of Madame Blovotski was like mommy. And when
Speaker 1: he saw Priscilla, he saw that something about her reminded
Speaker 1: him of his mother, and he couldn't let go. He
Speaker 1: had he could have had any woman of any stature
Speaker 1: in the world at any time, but he had to
Speaker 1: have Priscilla, and he you know, and he had her.
Speaker 1: And as Priscilla writes, they did not consummate the marriage
Speaker 1: until they were They did not consummate the relationship either
Speaker 1: until they got married or right before there. I think
Speaker 1: she slips a few times that maybe right before and
Speaker 1: she and everybody said she was the one who wanted it.
Speaker 1: Elvis was like in his spiritual kick and was like, no,
Speaker 1: we must wait and this and that. But it was Priscilla.
Speaker 4: So that's why she had hot draws.
Speaker 7: Dance. She saw his pelvis moving, she was gonna jump all.
Speaker 8: That come on.
Speaker 1: But she was in her early twenties, that's all. I mean.
Speaker 1: She was in the early twenties. Whenever they decided it
Speaker 1: was time or whenever it happened.
Speaker 6: So so was she into like all this stuff with him?
Speaker 6: Was she was she doing like magical stuff you think?
Speaker 1: Or no she sciente right later, Yeah, she did join
Speaker 1: SCIENTI Elvis hated.
Speaker 5: I was going to bring that up. I had had
Speaker 5: that written down. Yeah, I noticed she mentioned.
Speaker 12: That, right, What was the reason white daughter loved it? Right?
Speaker 12: Mm hmm life of scientologists, both of them, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he hated them. They say he avoided
Speaker 1: it like the cobra. It was a godless religion. He loved.
Speaker 1: He was very accepting of all religions because he believed,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for God, I respect you, except for scientology. Sure.
Speaker 13: I've always wondered how scientology took that, you know what
Speaker 13: I mean, because they don't like they don't like when
Speaker 13: when families bad mouth of their family members about being
Speaker 13: in scientology.
Speaker 12: That's a big that's a big no note for old Zeno.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But once he once he was gone, that's when Priscilla
Speaker 1: and Lisa Marie got into really need deep So oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 12: I thought she was, and I thought I was.
Speaker 13: I thought there was like more of the nineteen sixties
Speaker 13: movement type of situation for Priscilla.
Speaker 1: No, No, it was in the seventies. In the sixties
Speaker 1: she was with Elvis and uh she hated his occultism
Speaker 1: and mystic Oh really, because he started becoming so detached
Speaker 1: to the material world and so spiritual that a she wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, no more attention she was. He wasn't giving
Speaker 1: her the attention as a woman that she wanted. H
Speaker 1: and he almost twice, he almost quit the music industry
Speaker 1: to be a monk, a Christian monk and an Hindu monk,
Speaker 1: and it was all just too heavy for it. For example,
Speaker 1: Elvis loved Manly P. Hall and wanted to go to
Speaker 1: his lectures, but Elvis could not go to anywhere because
Speaker 1: Kateus would ensue, right, he had to stay alone. So
Speaker 1: he would send Priscilla to go listen to Manly P. Hall,
Speaker 1: write notes and bring him to him, and he was
Speaker 1: very happy. But she hated She hated his spirituality. So
Speaker 1: did Parker, Colonel Parker the Memphis Mafia, because he was
Speaker 1: he was really out of control. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: like meditation circles with groupies and reading at night and
Speaker 1: meditating and practicing this magic. And he just drove everybody
Speaker 1: crazy because he hated his fame. He was done with it.
Speaker 1: He just it meant nothing to him, and so it
Speaker 1: drove him crazy. But eventually there was this concerted campaign
Speaker 1: to put wedges between him and his spiritual teachers and this,
Speaker 1: and eventually they won. They didn't win. What happened is
Speaker 1: he went underground secretly, like he'd keep his books in
Speaker 1: Vegas and all that. And I always I say, how
Speaker 1: he turned into Vegas Elvis is very occult, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole Egyptian ah that. I think he transferred that
Speaker 1: energy into the Vegas Act. But he was still till
Speaker 1: the day he died, he was really into the Western
Speaker 1: esoteric tradition, Eastern traditions and anything.
Speaker 6: Are you familiar with Tuesday Weld at all?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: No, JJ, do you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 12: One of my favorite coarriage is.
Speaker 6: Life the Juge. She's like a witch, right, She's.
Speaker 3: Like a.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would understand.
Speaker 10: Well, Anton Levey had some kind of dedication to her
Speaker 10: in his Satanic Bible. It was like Marilyn Monroe, Tuesday Well,
Speaker 10: Jane Mansfield, but Tuesday Well, then elaborate like this.
Speaker 13: They were like I knew they knew each other as
Speaker 13: they acted together. I didn't, Yeah, I didn't know how.
Speaker 13: I was curious to know how the relationship went.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 10: There's even pictures of them where he's given her a
Speaker 10: big smooch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah together.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that there could have been a romance there,
Speaker 10: but it it.
Speaker 6: Just like with the kind of like the topic of
Speaker 6: the episode.
Speaker 10: If she was into all that and they were best
Speaker 10: these I can only imagine what Elvis may have learned
Speaker 10: from her, oh for sure.
Speaker 13: And Leavey elaborates on his dedication to Tuesday Weld in
Speaker 13: a nineteen seventy two book called Modern Witchcraft.
Speaker 10: So especially being very involved in the rituals, she is
Speaker 10: really interesting. But I wondered if you had come across
Speaker 10: her with Elvis, because I know that they hung out
Speaker 10: and they were friends or whatever, But do you think,
Speaker 10: like even him, like how he was discovered and everything
Speaker 10: is kind of ritualistic because I've seen the studio in
Speaker 10: Memphis where he recorded some of his first stuff, and
Speaker 10: it's like triangles on the ceilings. Yeah, it's it's really
Speaker 10: in your face.
Speaker 5: You been there to go, I've been.
Speaker 1: Record.
Speaker 11: I was gonna say, I'd always known Elvis was in
Speaker 11: the theosophy, and it was kind of just a loose
Speaker 11: fact in the wind. And I came across I collect
Speaker 11: the vinyl and I came across one of his country
Speaker 11: records that has twelve songs and in between each song
Speaker 11: is a seat and advertised it on the record a
Speaker 11: secret thirteenth song, And I thought that was kind of
Speaker 11: interesting in regard to the whole ideas of esoteric philosophy.
Speaker 11: But like, did he actively kind of push those ideas
Speaker 11: through his merchandising and his other you know, things that
Speaker 11: he was putting out.
Speaker 1: I would say yes or no. Again, his Vegas manifestation
Speaker 1: is very magical. There are reports he would stop doing
Speaker 1: concerts and do like Tibetan prayers here and there. There
Speaker 1: were times when he'd go into an altered state of mind.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was on drugs, but yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: wore one thing. He wore an ankh even the day
Speaker 1: he died, and all that. I mean starting out with
Speaker 1: the scene from two thousand and Space one and all that.
Speaker 1: It was a big steministic ritual and people there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of footage, but people who went there said
Speaker 1: they were really transformed. And again, he never hit it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't advertise it. He was always passing out books,
Speaker 1: always wanted to talk to musicians and people about different
Speaker 1: spiritualities and so forth. I say that he really was
Speaker 1: part of seeding the sixties and seventies a cult and
Speaker 1: hippie movement because he was always there handing out books,
Speaker 1: doing circles, lesson circles, teachings in Hollywood and Memphis, and
Speaker 1: just spreading this stuff and making it cool, even martial arts.
Speaker 1: When Elvis got his black belt in nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 1: he was only one of one hundred people in the
Speaker 1: United States with a black belt in the country's one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy million. That's esoteric. And through the sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies he got more black belts and people started, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really cool. I mean he made karate and
Speaker 1: these things kind of cool. So he was very important.
Speaker 1: And we have to understand the United States was very
Speaker 1: like a wasteland. It wasn't like Western Europe. When it
Speaker 1: came to the occult. There was really nothing you had,
Speaker 1: you know, the West Coast, the East Coat, the Esopha
Speaker 1: Society and Wheaton. There was nothing you had Elvis and
Speaker 1: the beat writers. You know, for all those guys Kraak
Speaker 1: were talking about Eastern nobody was talking about Buddhism or
Speaker 1: Taoism and all that, and Elvis was one of those.
Speaker 1: In fact, he used to go to the yoga Nanda
Speaker 1: Ashrum because he started working under Yogananda's successor, Diyamata. He'd
Speaker 1: go there to meditate. He did that like years before
Speaker 1: George Harrison started doing it, So he was way ahead
Speaker 1: of the curb. And I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons it became acceptable. And like I said, he was
Speaker 1: seating this stuff. But again, it was not something he
Speaker 1: wore in his sleeve. It was just he had passionate
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like, yeah, you have passionate about
Speaker 1: the giants. You meet somebody, Hey, what about the giants?
Speaker 1: Are you know?
Speaker 12: You just yeah.
Speaker 10: I was going to say, even like a secret life though.
Speaker 10: It was like he had all this going on on
Speaker 10: the side, but nobody knew about it. Like in the public,
Speaker 10: they wouldn't go, oh, Elvis, that guy that's really into Buddhism.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: It's almost he had like a secrete it does.
Speaker 1: It's almost like an image thing. It's almost like an
Speaker 1: image because even though he would wear this Aztek or
Speaker 1: Egyptian outfits and do that, people still had this image
Speaker 1: of Elvis as a southern conservative boy. But everybody in
Speaker 1: his inner circle and friends in Hollywood, and they knew it,
Speaker 1: and it was just part of it. Elvis did what
Speaker 1: Elvis wanted to do, and it was really as simple
Speaker 1: as that. And for some reason, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it is there was a time when people just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: these Hollywood people are rocks, that they're eccentric, you know,
Speaker 1: the Beatles and Hinduism, Ronald Reagan and astrology and man, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just what they do, and we kind of shelve it,
Speaker 1: we put it away, and then you realize, no, these
Speaker 1: things really shape their personalities, their world views, their art.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was essential to who they are as being.
Speaker 1: And I think we're ready now to see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's been a book out on you know, the culture,
Speaker 1: Morris and Sylvia Plath, and we're realizing this is essential
Speaker 1: and important and history changing and personality changing, and I
Speaker 1: think we're ready as a culture to really really see
Speaker 1: it instead of kind of turning our eye to one
Speaker 1: side or something.
Speaker 6: Did he write his own stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 8: Sorry? Do you what do you feel about the catastrophic
Speaker 8: things that have happened on his bloodline?
Speaker 7: Like you have implications there anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hell yeah, yeah, I deal with that too. I
Speaker 1: Mean Priscilla once said, well, you think Elvis would have survived,
Speaker 1: I would have been And Priscilla's like, no, there were
Speaker 1: demons in his family, and she said the lineage is cursed,
Speaker 1: and I show that through his mother, Gladys. Gladys maybe
Speaker 1: you know she abused him and I can't blame him,
Speaker 1: and she lost her twin. She was then that went
Speaker 1: to the hospital. She said she couldn't conceive, So of
Speaker 1: course she's just going to grab onto Elvis with everything
Speaker 1: she had. But she was known to have visions. She
Speaker 1: would see demons at night, she had premonitions. Her and
Speaker 1: her husband could heal at a touch, which Elvis adopted.
Speaker 1: Elvis talks about how her and her mother in Mississippi
Speaker 1: gould astral travel, but they both kept at hush because
Speaker 1: they were worried about the church. So he got to
Speaker 1: this lineage. And of course the gifts also are the curses.
Speaker 1: There's a darkness to these powers. And got it from Gladys.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of their native blood
Speaker 1: or their Jewish but I don't know. Some lineage of
Speaker 1: magicians went through Gladys, through Elvis and eventually to Lisa Marie.
Speaker 1: From what I hear, and I'm just doing the research.
Speaker 1: Lisa Marie had UFO encounters, so there was something, some
Speaker 1: sort of curse or because.
Speaker 8: They lost over her poor son, you know, there was
Speaker 8: some I mean all of that. It's just every out
Speaker 8: of them. It's like a day all over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm just getting started on that.
Speaker 1: I haven't gone down too deep that rabbit.
Speaker 9: All well, I just want to jumped in and say
Speaker 9: one thing quickly since we have Heidi and JJ on
Speaker 9: is that also Nick and I did a series and
Speaker 9: Nick Lison I did a series on Nick Barrett or
Speaker 9: Sid Verrett's using from.
Speaker 3: The band. I can't even think right now, that's right.
Speaker 9: And so he was involved with sickism and at like,
Speaker 9: I'm a Buddhist, So for me, I that's not a
Speaker 9: particular branch of dharma that I'm that familiar with, but
Speaker 9: I looking into it, it does seem to have a
Speaker 9: lot of branches into these kind of celebrity ocult networks.
Speaker 9: Seems to be like Sickhism, which is interesting maybe side point.
Speaker 3: But also they were married on May first.
Speaker 9: Nineteen sixty sevennineteen sixty seven. JJ might find that interesting date.
Speaker 9: And then also for Heidi they were married up the
Speaker 9: Aladdin Hotel. Well, you know, we discussed another magician, Howard Hughes,
Speaker 9: who you know, everybody's favorite Magic City Vegas.
Speaker 5: On May Day.
Speaker 4: Something I did want to ask you, Meil was was
Speaker 4: he almost kind of like a conspiracy theorist in a
Speaker 4: sense too?
Speaker 5: Because I think I had heard it was.
Speaker 1: I heard you was red pill before red pill was cool,
Speaker 1: so he was again he was, Yeah, he would have
Speaker 1: been having fun with us right now. He would be
Speaker 1: fun Twitter, he'd be going crazy on Twitter and all that,
Speaker 1: because yeah, he certainly had a conspiracy sensibility. He never
Speaker 1: Right after JFK was killed, he was on the radio saying,
Speaker 1: there's no way it's a lone gun man. Same with
Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy. He was sure that priestly that was
Speaker 1: foul play. That'sh was holding secrets and he was really mad.
Speaker 10: It's like, I just don't know this side of him,
Speaker 10: Like I always imagined him as like kind of a
Speaker 10: dope like that went to go visit Forrest Gump one
Speaker 10: time and like learned how to do the moonwalk thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, but there's just like this image of Elvis.
Speaker 10: It's like, oh yeah, kind of like the very first
Speaker 10: Beatle stuff like bubble gum kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 10: it's Elvis, you know whatever, I've watched what is that
Speaker 10: movie with the it's the story of Johnny Cash, but
Speaker 10: he's in it. Walk the line, Yeah, I walked the line.
Speaker 10: And because Johnny Cash always said, oh, Elvis got me
Speaker 10: on pills.
Speaker 6: Elvis this, Elvis that. So like, do you think he's
Speaker 6: a good guy?
Speaker 10: Do you think he's just somewhere floating in the middle,
Speaker 10: like who is he?
Speaker 1: Yea. He was an occultist, He was a mystic. He
Speaker 1: had magic powers, as they show him the book. He
Speaker 1: was a visionary and a very smart guy. Even the
Speaker 1: big bio Peter Pulling that I forget it's called a
Speaker 1: Last Train to Memphis, talks about how he was a
Speaker 1: brilliant thinker. He would write, he would annotate books. You
Speaker 1: can go to Graceland and you see it. He wanted
Speaker 1: to know things. When he would whether he was going
Speaker 1: to Vegas or movies. He always had a higher group
Speaker 1: of workers carrying two hundred books because he would just
Speaker 1: he would just read them, read them. He was he
Speaker 1: really was almost a scholar mind, a brilliant person and
Speaker 1: a brilliant thinker. Again he had terrible demons, you know,
Speaker 1: as Heidi's saying, So he always had that struggle, but
Speaker 1: really a unique individual. He really was the king.
Speaker 8: Right, true cultists they're never all darker all light. It's
Speaker 8: usually the dark in the light.
Speaker 1: That's was quote by Gordon, which he had recently, and
Speaker 1: it always sticks with thee. It properly used magic will
Speaker 1: destroy your life. And I've always I think that's right.
Speaker 13: Looks like a good cultist. Elvis also is a spook, right.
Speaker 13: He was an undercover federal officer.
Speaker 1: He tried, He tried, He really did try, but he
Speaker 1: had an obsession with badges. He had an obsession with authority.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is because he
Speaker 1: grew up so poor daddy went to jail, no justice
Speaker 1: all that. Later on he wanted he I mean he
Speaker 1: he never wanted to be poor. He never wanted his
Speaker 1: family to suffer. So he had this thing and I
Speaker 1: think he did it also to piss off his dad
Speaker 1: about badges, authorities. He would go on drug raids dressed
Speaker 1: like you know, with a sche mask. He would. He
Speaker 1: met Nixon and got a DA badge. I think it
Speaker 1: was honorary. So yeah, he was up with bad but
Speaker 1: I don't think he really like officially worked when there's
Speaker 1: a dark side to it. I think also he liked power.
Speaker 1: I mean he was the kind of guy that always had,
Speaker 1: you know, not only four black belts, but he was
Speaker 1: always armed to the teeth. And there was one time
Speaker 1: he went commercial. Yeah, he got mad with his dad
Speaker 1: in Priscilla. They were arguing about money because he's spending
Speaker 1: money like crazy. He's like a few. He leaves Graceland,
Speaker 1: goes to the airport, shows up at the airport, goes
Speaker 1: to the lady and the lady's like freaking out behind
Speaker 1: the counters, like I need a ticket to LA Can
Speaker 1: you just bill me? Yes, mister Presley. He goes in security,
Speaker 1: grabs them and they're like, Elvis, he got all these guns.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, can I take them on the plane
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, if you give us an autograph
Speaker 1: and keep your mouth shut. And he went on the
Speaker 1: plane with all these guns. So he liked the power
Speaker 1: in the badge, and I think there is Priscilla always
Speaker 1: said the reason he wanted a DA badge was because
Speaker 1: he never toured any other country. He never left the
Speaker 1: United States. True. Imagine the money. The guy made four
Speaker 1: billion dollars in his career. Imagine the money he could
Speaker 1: have made in Japan and London all that because he
Speaker 1: didn't he wouldn't go anywhere without his guns and his pills.
Speaker 1: With a DA badge, you can take guns and drugs
Speaker 1: in and out of the United States.
Speaker 5: So, right, maybe that was a job.
Speaker 13: I don't have much involvement he had in the case,
Speaker 13: but he had an undercover FBI agent for a number
Speaker 13: of years there in the mid to late seventies and
Speaker 13: something that's called Operation Fountain Pen It happened to be
Speaker 13: the most one of the most intrigral cases in FBI
Speaker 13: history because it's fun into things like abscam.
Speaker 12: The abscam.
Speaker 13: I don't know how much Elvis undercover had involved with that,
Speaker 13: but he at least had undercover guys on his team,
Speaker 13: you know, for for that operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It really had to do more
Speaker 1: with his dad, Vernon, because his dad was in charge
Speaker 1: of the planes and the money. Elvis didn't have a wallet,
Speaker 1: no concept of money. It just wasn't you know. He said,
Speaker 1: buy me a plane, buy me a fleet of rolls Royces.
Speaker 1: So it would have to do with Vernon more than Elvis.
Speaker 1: It's not something sure.
Speaker 13: They would have been in the now of something they're
Speaker 13: going on there because that case, that case dominoed into
Speaker 13: a series of other cases over the next almost decade.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, it was a bit, It was a big thing,
Speaker 1: for sure. But I don't think Elvis was directly involved.
Speaker 1: I mean he was connected again, he was connected to
Speaker 1: the authorities, and he was connected to the mind. But
Speaker 1: to Elvis, these are these were his citizens, his underlings
Speaker 1: as far as he concerned. Yeah, this is the guy
Speaker 1: that could go to the White House unannounced and get
Speaker 1: a meeting with Nixon. That's how powerful he was.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: He had a very unique angle, right, He saw every
Speaker 13: every kind of every perspective right through these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he never voted. He could care less who
Speaker 1: was the president. It was just these things were irrelevant
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 12: I like them already he.
Speaker 7: Knew because he knew.
Speaker 2: A lot of his story seems very much like the
Speaker 2: fool archetype or this kind of hero element of him,
Speaker 2: where he ignorantly was pursuing, you know, not that he
Speaker 2: didn't have alter pursuits in wanting the badges and so forth.
Speaker 2: But the part of it just seems like he's just
Speaker 2: strolling through life trying to you know, portray this you know,
Speaker 2: giver of books and knowledge and all these all these
Speaker 2: little hints of him just being this ignorant hero.
Speaker 1: I do connect him to the trickster archetype, not the
Speaker 1: king archetype. And I think that's a valid one, because
Speaker 1: he was a trickster. A trickster brings people into a
Speaker 1: new world, whether it's the Changer or the Coyota in
Speaker 1: Native lore, or Luki or they are the gods of
Speaker 1: the doorways. The door hinge depends on Hermes and Elves
Speaker 1: brought this people, this country that had been decimated by
Speaker 1: the Great Depression War two, and brought these people to
Speaker 1: this new era where we were the most powerful empire
Speaker 1: history had seen, you know, satellites, nuclear bombs, mass media
Speaker 1: and everybody's freaking out. And Elvis with his rock music,
Speaker 1: He and Johnny Cash and Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard,
Speaker 1: with these sort of shamans who brought and gave the
Speaker 1: people medicine to be able to stand psychologically this change.
Speaker 1: I mean, the tricksters at the crossroads. He was at
Speaker 1: the crossroads of the old way and this new empire,
Speaker 1: the crossloads of the old way gender saw each other
Speaker 1: and the new sexuality. Elvis taught women how to objectify men.
Speaker 1: Women suddenly had a male gaze and they could look
Speaker 1: at him and say, and this power, this kundalina, this
Speaker 1: eating of the fruit woke women up. But it taught
Speaker 1: men to be more sensitive because he looked so vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and he taught men, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be Gary Cooper. You can be like me or Marlon Brando,
Speaker 1: soft and sensitive. He taught. He brought people to the
Speaker 1: crossroads of the old religions to all this new spirituality,
Speaker 1: to this new music. Were oh my god, we can
Speaker 1: listen to African American music and Hispanic music. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the lord of the crosslers and the trickster.
Speaker 1: That's what the trickster does. And again I feel like
Speaker 1: he is a trickster because if this is the United States,
Speaker 1: I don't know what our next incarnation is going to be.
Speaker 1: But the trickster is the one that takes us. And
Speaker 1: if you trust the trickster, you're going to be all right.
Speaker 1: If not, bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 10: I feel like he used his music as like a
Speaker 10: spiritual kind of modality.
Speaker 6: I don't. I was going to say earlier, I don't
Speaker 6: know if he wrote his own stuff, but he No.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, though. I think when we see
Speaker 1: rock music as a spirituality, it makes perfect sense because again,
Speaker 1: these guys like Johnny Cash and Elvis, there were pastors.
Speaker 1: Rock and rolling started in Pentecostal churches when people would
Speaker 1: be grabbed by the Holy Spirit that they'd be like shaking.
Speaker 1: And then when rock music came out, these music critics
Speaker 1: would go to these concerts say this is like a
Speaker 1: Holy tent revival. What's going on? It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're not handling snakes and doing the Holy Spirit, but
Speaker 1: they're like shaking and going crazy. So and rock music
Speaker 1: really is a fusion, as many critics of notice notice,
Speaker 1: it's of gospel music and the blues. And by the blues,
Speaker 1: I mean the devilish trickster African animals, black and yeah.
Speaker 1: And Elvis always said I carry heaven and Hell with me,
Speaker 1: and I got and I got about what you meant.
Speaker 1: Gospel music, heaven, the blues, hell. This fusion that was
Speaker 1: rock music shamanistic altered states, and it was a way
Speaker 1: to sort of free people and help people. As the
Speaker 1: United States came into its new idea entity, is this
Speaker 1: amazing empire that nobody had seen? As I show, you know,
Speaker 1: using the work of Chris Knowles, You've got like here's
Speaker 1: technology in human history. Oh look the Samerians, they kind
Speaker 1: of popped. Then we're put putt, putt putt. But then
Speaker 1: in nineteen late forties fifties, we shoot up like never before,
Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen that we have it, and we kind
Speaker 1: of stopped in the twenty first century. What happened, aliens
Speaker 1: not I mean, whatever happened, it was a mind blown
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And you almost needed that trickster energy,
Speaker 1: that spirituality as a coping skill. And he never to
Speaker 1: answered your question. He never wrote songs because with Elvis,
Speaker 1: it was all about feeling the energy. He always said,
Speaker 1: I can feel like in gospel music, in the blues,
Speaker 1: the plight of the black person, who's disenfranchised, who's homeless.
Speaker 1: I feel that energy or gospel music, I feel these
Speaker 1: people crying out for Christ in the you know, in
Speaker 1: the field and all that. So Elvis was always about
Speaker 1: getting some music and making it its own and making it.
Speaker 10: So unique, beautiful actually, isn't it. I was raised Pentecostal.
Speaker 10: I can get on board with that.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, was he exposed to that stuff?
Speaker 8: Huh?
Speaker 5: He was exposed to that stuff, wasn't he? As a younger,
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 10: Going to say, Gerry Lee was Jerry Lee came from
Speaker 10: gospel too.
Speaker 1: You were all Pentecostals. And again, as scholars have said,
Speaker 1: Pentecostalism is Christian mystery school. Shamanism sure altered states of mind,
Speaker 1: healing your body, your mind, and that's what these guys were.
Speaker 10: That's one hundred dude. Should have you should have seen
Speaker 10: the people at my church. They would be rolling around
Speaker 10: and shouting and jumping out.
Speaker 6: I mean, I loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 6: As a kid, I'd look forward to going to church.
Speaker 6: I'd even get in on it. But it's, uh, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's it's cool.
Speaker 10: I like where you went with that, because it does
Speaker 10: sound like that, you know, gospel bluesy kind of cool sound. Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And people used to remember pentecost I mean, obviously people
Speaker 1: hated the blues in the forties, not just the whites,
Speaker 1: black and proper black people hated the blues with it
Speaker 1: because it was so corruptive and dangerous. But they had
Speaker 1: a problem with Pentecostalism too, because they used to say,
Speaker 1: these Pentecostals, they're mixing Jesus and sex, that's all they're doing.
Speaker 1: And that became rock and roll.
Speaker 11: Well in Memphis. When you get into that Memphis area,
Speaker 11: just what is it west they call uh hell in
Speaker 11: the Arkansas area West Memphis, which is basically where Robert
Speaker 11: Johnson went out and went to the crossroads and you know,
Speaker 11: signed the deal with Papa Eggba and came back. So
Speaker 11: that whole area is kind of really just uh you know,
Speaker 11: like a like a prime place you know, for for this, Yeah,
Speaker 11: this energetic kind of you know music.
Speaker 1: And guess what, Robert Johnson he died the same days died.
Speaker 1: I bet they both.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, shut up, they died on the same day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Do you think Robert Johnson was like a million years old?
Speaker 11: Mhm, he was like seven. He was the first twenty seven.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know. But I thought like it was like
Speaker 10: a million years ago that he did that, because all
Speaker 10: the pictures you see of him are like black and white,
Speaker 10: like olding a guitar. It just looks super old to me.
Speaker 10: I thought it was like in the thirties or something.
Speaker 6: But no, Yeah, I saw.
Speaker 10: That recording studio in Memphis, and I always thought it
Speaker 10: was kind of in your face a little bit, like
Speaker 10: with what they had going on.
Speaker 11: And it's the same studio.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was gonna say, with that, with all the
Speaker 8: anthroposophy and everything, do you think he ever like channeled
Speaker 8: anything you know where he would act completely different.
Speaker 7: I mean obviously he knew, he obviously knew how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he certainly had altered states
Speaker 1: of mind. Again, the astral travel he would do a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could change. He had the power to read minds.
Speaker 1: People could be freaked out because he could. He could
Speaker 1: read you, you know, exactly what you're thinking, what you're
Speaker 1: going to do. When he was in a bad mood,
Speaker 1: he had a way of just crushing your soul, which
Speaker 1: he got in from his mother. You know these people
Speaker 1: they walk into the room and you can feel him
Speaker 1: just suck all the energy up. His mother could do
Speaker 1: it to anybody, no matter how rich they were, when
Speaker 1: you were poor. And yeah, he had really powerful abilities.
Speaker 5: So what was in your opinion? What do you think?
Speaker 4: I know you mentioned theosophy before, What do you think
Speaker 4: was like some of his I guess major influences.
Speaker 1: He came to the occult, Oh my god, everything you
Speaker 1: name it. Yeah, theosophy. He Lovedanda Manly p Hall, but
Speaker 1: he got into really anything. Khalilgi brains a profit at
Speaker 1: Gerdjiev Hermannsse. He read Albert Pike. He loved morals and dogma.
Speaker 1: I mean again, this guy was reading hundreds of books
Speaker 1: a week, and he wanted to know because what happened
Speaker 1: is that he was really burned, you know, not just
Speaker 1: the death of his mother. But we have to forget
Speaker 1: Elvis came and it was like a nuclear bomb. You know,
Speaker 1: for three years he was the most famous person on earth.
Speaker 1: He was already the goat, the king of rock and roll.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, a settle, kind of like Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. You just know that's it. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna come. You know it in your heart. But we
Speaker 1: have to remember that a lot of the country hated
Speaker 1: his guts. They hated how he was liberating women. How
Speaker 1: dangerous is music. I mean, the government was worried. The
Speaker 1: Christians were very pissed off. I mean, his own pastor
Speaker 1: said that he'd been possessed by the devil. Billy Graham
Speaker 1: went publicly and denounced him, people like Frank Sinatra or
Speaker 1: just pissed off. I mean, he was a threat. And
Speaker 1: he was completely burned by Christianity, and so he was like,
Speaker 1: maybe these assholes are just you know, it's a business,
Speaker 1: and I'm really angry at And plus he had already
Speaker 1: said there's no way there's eternal hell. He'd already believed
Speaker 1: in re incarnation when he was a teenager. He just said,
Speaker 1: it's just normal, it's just logically, it's a logical thing.
Speaker 1: So he was burned, and then he became kind of
Speaker 1: after the army, he became disillusioned with his fame and
Speaker 1: all that. He met his spiritual teacher, Larry Geller, and
Speaker 1: the books that he got him gave him the Jesus
Speaker 1: he needed, which was the cosmic Jesus, the inner Christ,
Speaker 1: the wise teacher Jesus. So anywhere this Jesus was, whether
Speaker 1: it was the gnostic Gospels or manly p hall with
Speaker 1: the mystical Christ or Theosophy, he was so happy to learn,
Speaker 1: and he was so happy to believe that we all
Speaker 1: have Christ within us, we all can bring this Christ,
Speaker 1: and some do. And these are some wise people throughout
Speaker 1: history that are there for the betterment of men. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's the ascended Masters, maybe it's the Freemasons, maybe it's
Speaker 1: Buddhas or astor Jesus. But he was so happy that
Speaker 1: there was hope and we all had a christ power
Speaker 1: within us. And he always hoped that he perhaps could
Speaker 1: be this next religious teacher. But he wasn't going to
Speaker 1: do it. He had to have the call until I
Speaker 1: was self actualized would he do it? And it never happened.
Speaker 1: But he was so hopeful. So all these traditions and
Speaker 1: it went to the east could be Daoism. Buddhism gave
Speaker 1: him this hope, this idea of Christ's consciousness and a
Speaker 1: way to get closer to God and also answer the
Speaker 1: big questions because he always wondered, well, why did my
Speaker 1: twin die? We came out thirty minutes apart, why did
Speaker 1: he die? Why was I born poor? If I'd been rich,
Speaker 1: have afforded a hospital and sef I had at home?
Speaker 1: Why did I get stinking rich? But other people in
Speaker 1: the South are forgotten and they lived in Squalor. So
Speaker 1: he was always trying to figure out the nature of
Speaker 1: evil and God and all.
Speaker 7: That was there an issue with the second baby's delivery?
Speaker 8: Was there like a placenta detachment possibly, and that's why
Speaker 8: she couldn't have any more kids?
Speaker 6: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we know. I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good question, but.
Speaker 7: I am a nurse.
Speaker 1: I was just kidding, I know. Yeah. But one thing
Speaker 1: you find out is that if you grew up in
Speaker 1: the Great Depression in the South, you were forgotten, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what race you were. It was horrible. It was
Speaker 1: like North Korea living so records aren't bad. And these people,
Speaker 1: like they said, where Elvis lived, it was on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of the wrong side of the tracks, so
Speaker 1: there was not records. He couldn't afford They couldn't afford
Speaker 1: a hospital, so they had to have it in his
Speaker 1: little house. That was probably not a midwife. Jesse, he
Speaker 1: came first, right, Jesse came first. He came out stillborn.
Speaker 1: Elvis came out thirty five minutes later. They put him
Speaker 1: in an oven because they're so parent, they heated it up,
Speaker 1: that's how paranoid. Then they went to the hospital and
Speaker 1: then they simply told Gladys that's it, you're done. So
Speaker 1: that was It was a horrible existence, because there was
Speaker 1: one time when Elvis had a fever in tonsilitis and
Speaker 1: they went to the doctor's like, I can't do anything
Speaker 1: for you. So they had to do like a prayer
Speaker 1: circle around him and in a few hours they healed them.
Speaker 1: So you wonder why these people were leading so much
Speaker 1: on the Holy Spirit a lot, because it's amazing this
Speaker 1: happened in this country. I still even when I went
Speaker 1: to Mississippi, I went to Memphis, driving through Mississippi, I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with this country. These people are forgotten. These
Speaker 1: people deserve better. We have all this money for wars,
Speaker 1: but we have these people in places like Mississippi, good people,
Speaker 1: and they're just they're forgotten.
Speaker 11: And Elvis is even worse projects with no doors and
Speaker 11: no windows. It's yeah, pretty bad.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's incredible, man.
Speaker 2: I add on something some of the themes of what
Speaker 2: you've been saying, Miguel is I think he really kind
Speaker 2: of did succeed as you're describing his initiate character of
Speaker 2: that trickster God in a lot of ways, as as
Speaker 2: we refer to the politics of the nation back then,
Speaker 2: it was divided in a very physical ordained manner, and
Speaker 2: really like we couldn't even conceptualize combining Karate with Hinduism
Speaker 2: and all the and Manly p Hall and and all
Speaker 2: these things that he was combining in what we consider
Speaker 2: today to be a really Americana kind of thing, but
Speaker 2: back then it wasn't. And as occultist, I think we
Speaker 2: all embody finding at least the comparative, if not the syncretic,
Speaker 2: which he actually put forth, a syncretic esoteric possibility like
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I can be like Bruce Lee and Manley
Speaker 2: p Hall or what have you? Even a baseball player
Speaker 2: and kung fu any number of things. So he really,
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways did initiate us into that potential.
Speaker 1: Well said, no, I couldn't have said it better. True. Again,
Speaker 1: he was the lord of the crossrops. He brought all
Speaker 1: this stuff, made it acceptable, even black music. He did
Speaker 1: something that almost got him killed. He dated a black
Speaker 1: girl in high school, right the sheriffs almost ended his life.
Speaker 1: He would go if he wanted to listen to gospel
Speaker 1: music black, he would go to this church. He was
Speaker 1: the one at the back, isolated, segregated from the congrete,
Speaker 1: and he didn't care because he was like this shit
Speaker 1: is good. I don't give a shit, and he brought
Speaker 1: it out. You know, it's the same with spirituality, like
Speaker 1: I said, martial arts so much and even the media.
Speaker 1: Elvis knew how to use median technology. He knew the
Speaker 1: importance of TV, satellites, the jukebox. You know. He made
Speaker 1: it cool for the population to say, hey, this is
Speaker 1: not so, let's embrace this stuff. Let's let's see it.
Speaker 10: What did he do with like these extraterrestrial encounters. Did
Speaker 10: he like try to tell people about him? Was it
Speaker 10: like hush hush, Like I think that's kind of dope,
Speaker 10: Like Elvis, you know, King of Rock, extraterrestrial, extraordinary shaman, occultist,
Speaker 10: Like what the heck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a great voice. Sorry, right excited, but no,
Speaker 1: he again, he was so ahead of the curve when
Speaker 1: it came to UFOs. By the sixties he believed in
Speaker 1: let's keep quiet. By the sixties he already thought had
Speaker 1: very sophisticated views on UFOs. He was one of the
Speaker 1: first people to read Vondanikin's Chariots of the Gods. So
Speaker 1: he's like, maybe we are ancient aliens, he said. He
Speaker 1: very much was voiced, very loudly how the aliens by
Speaker 1: where were stopping us from destroying ourselves? And he believed
Speaker 1: in the star seed. I mean, these were ideas like
Speaker 1: us that he sort of balanced out. He'd read Ezekiel.
Speaker 1: He read Ezekiel, and he's like, these these wheels gotta
Speaker 1: be aliens. So very he read the Book of Enoch
Speaker 1: and wondered, well, maybe they're aliens, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: today where the religion and eufology are no longer separated.
Speaker 1: Back then it was very separated. He was one of
Speaker 1: the first pioneers to do that. And he always talked
Speaker 1: to you know, again, he had his experiences of seeing
Speaker 1: your foe's lights and all that. He added with his bodyguards,
Speaker 1: his spiritual teachers, so he would talk to them about it.
Speaker 1: But he'd never made it like he never went to
Speaker 1: the press or anything like that. It wasn't. He used
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, even me, They'll think I'm crazy and
Speaker 1: put me away. And so he was very, very sophisticated
Speaker 1: in how we saw euphology. He read the Book of
Speaker 1: Urantia you read. Yeah, he was very versed in the
Speaker 1: whole UFO thing, very very.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 10: Did he think we like, did he believe in heaven
Speaker 10: and stuff like we're did What were his thoughts on that, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one he thought, And it's actually
Speaker 1: similar to what the Gnostics thought. He thought, you are incarnated,
Speaker 1: but it's all your choice or adventure. If you choose
Speaker 1: a material path every r incarnation, you're going to go down, down, down,
Speaker 1: and eventually just poof disintegrate. But if you keep getting
Speaker 1: better every life, eventually you'll reach whatever, the light, God,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. So it's a very
Speaker 1: sophisticated I think the Gnostics had that idea that you know,
Speaker 1: it's your choice, you get to choose, Nobody else chooses
Speaker 1: what's going to happen.
Speaker 10: So do you think like Lisa Marie like and her
Speaker 10: mom obviously, like you would think growing up with this
Speaker 10: guy as a dad, you might have some of these
Speaker 10: same like beliefs and stuff. But they went totally left.
Speaker 10: They went scientology. It just seems odd to me. It's
Speaker 10: like if you had a cool dad like this, literally
Speaker 10: it's Elvis. And then she married Michael Jackson for a while,
Speaker 10: Like I don't know what's going on with her, but scientology,
Speaker 10: Like really I don't get it.
Speaker 1: They were predators and he made more sense, yeah, than
Speaker 1: the marriage with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 7: I was like, what the.
Speaker 12: Hell was that?
Speaker 6: Like, literally, what is going on with her?
Speaker 12: As? Right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah she was, but she was a young kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was young. And uh, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: for Priscilla. When you look at Elvis fandom, he is
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair or not. It's kind
Speaker 1: of if you guys watch Breaking Bad, you ever noticed
Speaker 1: everybody hates Skyler, But that's the last person you should hate.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's so many other villains. You know, Walter
Speaker 1: White is far more evil than his wife. But so
Speaker 1: I try not to judge, but least about Priscilla is
Speaker 1: seen as almost the devil with in the Elvis fandom
Speaker 1: Lady Macbeth Narcisses.
Speaker 7: So she did have that red hair.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have to survive Elvis because we have to.
Speaker 1: When you lived with Elvis, it was always chaos every day.
Speaker 1: I mean there was press, celebrities, always something going on.
Speaker 1: Elvis was always out of control, and he did what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. I mean he'd do stuff like
Speaker 1: he'd wake up and say, I'm in the mood for
Speaker 1: this peanut butter, right, peanut butter sandwich in Denver. You know,
Speaker 1: light up the planes. We're leaving in an hour. That's
Speaker 1: a kind of life he led. It was just Vegas.
Speaker 1: It was constant chaos. To be in Elvis's orbit, regardless
Speaker 1: whether you're a bodyguard a family member, was just it
Speaker 1: was out of control. It was exhausting, It was wonderful.
Speaker 1: It was a bless but you could barely I think
Speaker 1: that's the reason people didn't say more, because it was
Speaker 1: just there was so much going on. How could you
Speaker 1: even stop to talk to the press about UFO's or something.
Speaker 10: It's yeah, she in her book, she kind of makes
Speaker 10: him sound like a real pos.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie. Like when I read her book,
Speaker 6: I was like, fuck this guy.
Speaker 10: Like this guy which one Lisa Priscilla orsa Priscilla's book.
Speaker 6: It was kind of like, I mean, obviously there's.
Speaker 10: After I read her book, I was like, oh, hell
Speaker 10: though some of the stuff, like you know, but you
Speaker 10: get to a certain point where if you get married
Speaker 10: that young and you have that weird lifestyle, you're gonna
Speaker 10: at some point not like each other anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you have to and also you have
Speaker 1: to take it with a grain of salt. Like there's
Speaker 1: this in the first edition of her book. There's a
Speaker 1: scene where before they broke up, Elvis essay the she
Speaker 1: backtracked and took it out because she said, I was
Speaker 1: just angry at him. And then there's a like another
Speaker 1: one where she says, Elvis always wanted me to have
Speaker 1: a buffont and he controlled what.
Speaker 6: Yes, she did say that, but when you look.
Speaker 1: At pictures of her, she's got her hair down at
Speaker 1: the press or she'd say Elvis didn't let allow me
Speaker 1: to leave Graceland. But there's pictures of her in New
Speaker 1: York and Jet saying so again, you know things that
Speaker 1: happened between couples, Yeah, you want to take aside. I
Speaker 1: try not to, you know what I mean. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was abusive, She was abusive. He was not faithful, she
Speaker 1: was not faithful. It's I don't know. There again, Elvis
Speaker 1: was cursed, and.
Speaker 6: I was going to say she was.
Speaker 10: I mean she was so young, so so young when
Speaker 10: they got married. And obviously if it's like that thing,
Speaker 10: like if everybody wants to screw your husband, I mean,
Speaker 10: that's that's that's not a good place to be.
Speaker 7: Well, he didn't want to give it to her.
Speaker 6: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: It's like, oh, it's like everybody wants to screw him,
Speaker 10: and I can't even get any Like what is this about?
Speaker 7: Master came in?
Speaker 10: You're right, probably some of his spiritual beliefs Margaret and
Speaker 10: she's at home. Do you think but do you think
Speaker 10: that's part of his spiritualism or do you think that's
Speaker 10: part of like him running around on her?
Speaker 6: Because I've always.
Speaker 10: Heard like, you shouldn't give up your life essence. Every
Speaker 10: time you sleep with somebody, you're giving up like your
Speaker 10: life essence. This is like a big spirituality thing. And
Speaker 10: he really didn't have sex with Priscilla, like hardly ever
Speaker 10: maybe to have Lisa Marie and then that was it.
Speaker 7: After that, didn't you do sex magic?
Speaker 12: Though?
Speaker 6: With some people like there's got to be something to that.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, here's one. Yeah, one theory states again because
Speaker 1: remember he's got the mommy issue, bad mommy issues. So
Speaker 1: it is said that he could not have sex with
Speaker 1: women who had conceived children too much of a mother archetype.
Speaker 1: That was an issue now and there are some there's
Speaker 1: evidence for it, But then there's evidence like Priscilla was
Speaker 1: in Peters Morgan and she talked about when he went
Speaker 1: to Vegas in the seventies they had the best fling ever.
Speaker 1: So it's hard, but that was that was an issue too,
Speaker 1: they say with Elvis. And also you have to think
Speaker 1: too is people who lose their twins at a young age.
Speaker 1: Twinless survivors are always they're very they're workaholics, they are
Speaker 1: a seekers, but they are very self destructive, addiction prone
Speaker 1: and can never have normal relationships. Then of course there's
Speaker 1: a problem people who have enmeshment issues, lethal enmeshment issues,
Speaker 1: same thing. They have a propensity for addiction, they're self destructive,
Speaker 1: and they can't have normal relations So Elvis had the
Speaker 1: double whammy of you know what I mean and even
Speaker 1: admitted I think like before he died, he looked at
Speaker 1: his friend Charlie Hodges and he quoted from Khalil Ghabrain's
Speaker 1: Love you know love will crown you and crucify it,
Speaker 1: and he told them, I realized, I'm forty two and
Speaker 1: I've never been able. I've never loved a woman properly.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I've just learning this now. He was
Speaker 1: going to get married to gender Alden, but he finally
Speaker 1: had forty two, was like, Holy mother, I've just wasted
Speaker 1: my entire life and I've got to fix this. But
Speaker 1: you know, time.
Speaker 6: Around now I'm shocked.
Speaker 8: I'm shocked he didn't marry an older woman with his
Speaker 8: whole situation with the end, well, it'd.
Speaker 10: Have to be an older woman who never conceived. There's
Speaker 10: a lot of them out of an older woman that
Speaker 10: looked like his mom, who'd never can see who was
Speaker 10: in ritualism.
Speaker 4: That's a very very it's just like such a small
Speaker 4: st lover the population to choose.
Speaker 5: From right there.
Speaker 10: So you said, like he predicted his death, and he
Speaker 10: would like who did he tell?
Speaker 6: Did he like have journals or something that somebody went
Speaker 6: back and.
Speaker 1: Read or yeah, he told people things he was like doing.
Speaker 1: He was acting differently, like making sure that documents and
Speaker 1: contracts were set. He remembered telling a friend out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: you know, angels fly because they take themselves so lightly.
Speaker 1: And the way he said it to his friend freaked
Speaker 1: him out. He drive from Memphis to Mississippi with a
Speaker 1: friend at night and he would be looking under the
Speaker 1: house for his lost marbles. Just very strange behavior. And
Speaker 1: he dropped all these hints, and I showed them in
Speaker 1: the book. But the most obvious one is two days
Speaker 1: before he passed, he was in his room just you know,
Speaker 1: on drugs and pain, just in his bed, but he
Speaker 1: was reading all these occult books and the Bible and
Speaker 1: all that. And his stepbrother David Stanley, called his stepbrother,
Speaker 1: David Stanley to talk to him. His stepbrother needed advice.
Speaker 1: And then he turned to his brother and he said,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something. In two days, I
Speaker 1: am going to be on a higher plane. And his stepbrothers, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to catch a plane to Portland for the concert.
Speaker 1: And Elvis like rolled his eyes like, hey pearls, you know,
Speaker 1: pearls for pigs, and you know, said I love you
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you. But he was right. Two
Speaker 1: days he was not around.
Speaker 10: That's it's kind of crazy, actually, because I thought he
Speaker 10: was like at the end of his life, was kind
Speaker 10: of like fat, bloated and useless. Sorry go ahead, Ethan.
Speaker 2: Oh no, thank you, Sorry, my computer was lacking. I
Speaker 2: heard a rumor that he also had some experiences when
Speaker 2: he was a child. Obviously these would be more difficult
Speaker 2: to corroborate, but were there stories about these Ufo experiences
Speaker 2: when he was a child, and can you break down
Speaker 2: the Lenin and Jesus cloud formation?
Speaker 1: Did you hear about that? Yeah, I haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: about UFOs when he was a child, So that one
Speaker 1: I haven't heard. What was the second question before the
Speaker 1: Lenin one?
Speaker 15: I saw when he was driving between Memphis and LA
Speaker 15: that he saw a cloud formation of Lenin and then
Speaker 15: Jesus if that's I believe right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 11: He was.
Speaker 1: He had been practicing spirituality. He was very earnest and
Speaker 1: reading a lot, and they were driving from Memphis to LA.
Speaker 1: He didn't like to fly for some reason for years,
Speaker 1: so they drive these mobile homes and he was driving
Speaker 1: and he was frustrated and he got angry at his
Speaker 1: spiritual teacher and said, look, I'm doing this thing. I
Speaker 1: don't feel I'm getting closer to God. And his teacher said,
Speaker 1: gave him the zen parable where the teacher puts and
Speaker 1: tells a student of port and the water comes out
Speaker 1: and the students like freaking out, and said, yes, your
Speaker 1: cup is too full. The only way for God to
Speaker 1: come in is you got to empty yourself. So you
Speaker 1: need to chill out with the studying and all that
Speaker 1: and just let God come to you when he's ready.
Speaker 1: So then they had this discussion. They're driving through Arizona
Speaker 1: and he and his spiritual teacher, Larry Gilla, look up
Speaker 1: and they both see the clouds are forming and it
Speaker 1: turns to the ultimate visage of evil, which back then
Speaker 1: was not Leting, it was Stalin. So it became the
Speaker 1: face of Stalin mocking and Elvis like pulls to one side.
Speaker 1: And remember there's a whole convoy of these and he
Speaker 1: runs into the desert with Larry and he's like facing
Speaker 1: this thing, and Elvis is basically saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: just realized I am not empty, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of evil in me. And now evil is showing itself
Speaker 1: in the world, in the in the in the sky.
Speaker 1: So he went to this, this demon or whatever and said, look,
Speaker 1: if this evil is within me, destroy me. I get it,
Speaker 1: take me off the chessboard. I wasn't able to do
Speaker 1: it this lifetime. I'm humbly, you know, bowing down. And
Speaker 1: then suddenly this evil went down into but turned into Jesus,
Speaker 1: and he was filled with the power of Christ and
Speaker 1: he felt this bliss that he had never felt before.
Speaker 1: And again his friend Larry was there and they both
Speaker 1: started hugging each other, and like Elvis, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: never doubt I know there is a God. I know
Speaker 1: there is a purpose. So it was a very powerful
Speaker 1: mystic experience that again, you know, kept him going and
Speaker 1: kept him with his studies for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: And like I say in the book, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: Philip A. Dick, not too far away around that time,
Speaker 1: had the same vision, except Dick was walking to a
Speaker 1: place he used to write, and he looked up and
Speaker 1: then the clouds formed into this metallic demiurge creature looking
Speaker 1: down on him, laughing at him, and Dig freaked out
Speaker 1: and ran off. And the parallels that they both it
Speaker 1: brought him closer to Jesus, and it brought him closer
Speaker 1: to studying the occult. So interesting parallels right there.
Speaker 4: One thing I wanted to ask, I think I heard
Speaker 4: you bring up. It's probably in the book as well,
Speaker 4: is his lightning bolt symbolism. I think you said it
Speaker 4: kind of came from It might have been Marvel, which
Speaker 4: had a cult you connotations behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of his big heroes was
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel. He was a big comic book reader. And
Speaker 1: by Captain Marvel, I don't mean like the one we
Speaker 1: know today, the one that you've seen in the movies
Speaker 1: that well you do is the Shazam. That's who Captain
Speaker 1: Marvel was in the forties and fifties, and the l
Speaker 1: has the lightning bulb. It's a Shazam. And of all
Speaker 1: the heroes that became what he idolized, he was open
Speaker 1: about it was Captain Marvel. That's the most occult hero.
Speaker 1: This is a being you have. This guy go sees
Speaker 1: a wizard and the wizard gives him the power of
Speaker 1: Solomon and Hercules and Atlas and Ermes, and he says,
Speaker 1: says am and suddenly and Elvis just loved that. He
Speaker 1: used to think it was a story of, you know,
Speaker 1: especially Captain Marvel junior, of a kid who can turn
Speaker 1: into superhero. And he sort of always said if he
Speaker 1: can turn into superhero, I can. But he did cheat.
Speaker 1: He did choose the most magical one and it kept him.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, the lightning bult became like his logo, He's
Speaker 1: take making care of business and the lightning bolt. It
Speaker 1: was extremely important. And when you look at his Vegas costume,
Speaker 1: it makes sense because when you see him with the
Speaker 1: short cape and everything else, you realize, wait a second,
Speaker 1: he's dressing up like Shazam. That's which he was. It
Speaker 1: was like his hero. So it's a Captain Marvel. Is
Speaker 1: fascinating because the writer behind Captain Marvel or Shazam Odo Binder,
Speaker 1: This guy was steeped into eufology and the occult and
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, it's a fascinating connection. And I'm
Speaker 1: writing now to the other book Elvis two point zero,
Speaker 1: which is David Bowie or I just realized they're both
Speaker 1: the same character.
Speaker 4: If you think he influenced David Bowie, I was actually
Speaker 4: going to ask you that, oh he is.
Speaker 6: The light boat too, blow by blow.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bowie knew, they knew each other. Bowie knew
Speaker 1: what Elvis was doing and tapped into the same powers.
Speaker 1: In fact, Captain Marvel is behind Bowie too, Elvis Captain Marvel.
Speaker 1: There's this very weird nexus with Elvis Bowie, Captain Marvel,
Speaker 1: Philip K. Dick and Ridley Scott that is, and William
Speaker 1: Burrows and all these cats, and it's it's pretty well,
Speaker 1: it's pure magic. It's almost like their own secret society.
Speaker 6: I've always thought that about Marvel.
Speaker 10: They put so much stuff in those movies. I mean
Speaker 10: it's almost like ridiculous. There's even the spinoff shows. I
Speaker 10: don't know if you watched any of them. They're all
Speaker 10: like on the Disney Plus or whatever. There's one called
Speaker 10: Moon Night and it's so, oh my goodness, it's just
Speaker 10: retarded with it. But so you think, like David Bowie,
Speaker 10: he was like on the same kind of like spiritual
Speaker 10: wave of because he had kind of like an alter ego, right,
Speaker 10: Ziggy Stardust and many great white dudes.
Speaker 5: They reinvented themselves over and over and over again. Actually,
Speaker 5: Elvis and David.
Speaker 1: Bow very true. I mean it's almost like and Bowie
Speaker 1: admits it. When he started wearing Ziggy Starduck with the jumpsuits,
Speaker 1: He's like, Elvis, you know, it was always I'm going
Speaker 1: to tap into the same magic. I mean, Bowie saw
Speaker 1: him in concert, and Bowie he went to his wife
Speaker 1: and he's like, wow, women are just throwing themselves at him,
Speaker 1: and his wife is like, just the first time you
Speaker 1: noticed that Elvis was sexy. And Bowie's like, yes, but
Speaker 1: now I know how, and you know, and Elvis sent
Speaker 1: them notes and the great secret is that before Elvis died,
Speaker 1: he actually called David Bowie said would you produce my
Speaker 1: next album? And Bowie was like, shit, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. You know, Bowie was just completely crushed. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the parallels between them two is it's very freaky, and
Speaker 1: there were influences a lot of the same books that
Speaker 1: were reading, and it's almost, yeah, two tricksters. Who's Starman
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean, space Age Messiah's that's it.
Speaker 10: I think Bowie kind of wore it more openly though.
Speaker 10: I always had such a thing for him because he
Speaker 10: was like magical almost, like even his songs and like
Speaker 10: some of the lyrics are just like Starman.
Speaker 6: I always loved him, but Elvis kind of kept it
Speaker 6: more under wraps.
Speaker 10: I guess that's why I never knew this stuff about him,
Speaker 10: because if you look at his songs really there they
Speaker 10: are like the more like handholdy kind of bubblegum stuff.
Speaker 10: So and then you look at David Bowie and it's like,
Speaker 10: I think I just astro projected after that album, like
Speaker 10: not all not when.
Speaker 8: Elvis got into that Egyptian deal though he got and
Speaker 8: then I think they're just sounding the sacred feminine, like honestly,
Speaker 8: the way they're dressing everything, like they're just.
Speaker 10: What are some of his topics besides that, like his
Speaker 10: like his hits that were besides like Return to Cinder
Speaker 10: and like stuff like that, like what We're like his
Speaker 10: egyptiany ones, Well you.
Speaker 6: Just don't know.
Speaker 1: Again, Elvis was looking at the powers underneath them. That's
Speaker 1: what he wanted to make it himself and to show
Speaker 1: these emotions. Again, his concerts were like Dionysian festivals where
Speaker 1: women were sometimes almost tore him apart. You know when
Speaker 1: David Bowie found that secret. He had women also just
Speaker 1: doing that. But it's really not You have to listen
Speaker 1: to some of his gospel music, Like I would advise
Speaker 1: you guys, listen to the Life version of American Trilogy
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, now I know what it is
Speaker 1: to be an American. It's so touching. He talks about
Speaker 1: the cotton fields and struggling in the working class, and
Speaker 1: he makes it in a way that only Elvis could
Speaker 1: do it, or some like how great thou art? You
Speaker 1: feel this power that's just beyond you. I think that's
Speaker 1: Heartbreak Hotel first, his first single, which people like John
Speaker 1: Lennon and Bob Dylan said when they heard that song,
Speaker 1: it was like a spiritual awakening. Is a song about suicide.
Speaker 1: You know, it's about a guy who goes into a
Speaker 1: hotel room. It's like I'm done. It's a very existentialist song.
Speaker 1: So you see this sort of yeah, you see this
Speaker 1: hidden all over the place, and a lot of his
Speaker 1: music and he had a couple of social songs If
Speaker 1: I Can Dream, beautiful song that he wrote in the ghetto,
Speaker 1: very powerful song. There's Yeah, there's something about Elvis. It's
Speaker 1: almost like you hear it for the first time and
Speaker 1: it's always new. I mean, the only thing, the only
Speaker 1: thing I can think of, because we all want newness,
Speaker 1: we want something like I've never heard this before. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm reborn. It's fresh. Like first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard Running with the Devil by Van Halen, I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this. I've never heard this. I've
Speaker 1: never heard a sound like that. Or Jimmy Hendrix. You
Speaker 1: hear his ribs and you go, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is new. There is something new under the sun, and
Speaker 1: it just revitalized it. I feel that with Elvis, and
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways Bowie too, it's like they're
Speaker 1: tapping deep like David Gilmour. You're like you're tapping deep
Speaker 1: into another realm, into an archetypal place, and you're bring
Speaker 1: these energies up. Elvis could just do it with his voice,
Speaker 1: but these guys could do it with their guitar.
Speaker 6: And his body too. Holy crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, and also with Elvis, he kind of, you know,
Speaker 11: crossed all the musical genres rockabilly, you know, surf music, gospel, country,
Speaker 11: rock and roll. Like I mean, he pretty much proliferated,
Speaker 11: you know, all the tendrils.
Speaker 1: You know, they throw them all together in a stew
Speaker 1: and just said, this is it heaven and hell.
Speaker 12: I feel.
Speaker 6: Off a little bit. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 12: Oh well, you're probably right.
Speaker 13: A lot of people I think ripped him off a
Speaker 13: little bit, you know what I mean, because he had
Speaker 13: an unrivaled stage presence.
Speaker 12: Maybe it was magicals.
Speaker 7: Maybe he had a talisman in his pocket.
Speaker 1: That a talisman? Are you happy to see me?
Speaker 5: Oh shit, that's what Joso said.
Speaker 1: He but it was all natural. He was, I mean,
Speaker 1: his hips and everything was nerves. If you look at
Speaker 1: the bass lerma, he wasn't trying it, just he was
Speaker 1: so nervous. He was an introvert. That's the thing that's freaky.
Speaker 1: He liked, even later in his career, just he could
Speaker 1: sit outside in his yard and stare at the sky
Speaker 1: for hours. He liked being alone and he got his
Speaker 1: he loved being alone. So the fact he could just
Speaker 1: turn into this idol, this dionysis kind of figure, just
Speaker 1: off the bat. I mean, even Jim Morrison was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just copied Elvis because he had that.
Speaker 1: I hate to say that it quality that cliche, but
Speaker 1: if you can say, if there's an in quality, he
Speaker 1: had it it was beyond this world.
Speaker 10: I don't know if he was gonna say something, but
Speaker 10: I just wanted to ask you too, because there was
Speaker 10: something I read. I can't remember where it was now
Speaker 10: about him, but it was like.
Speaker 6: He like the introverted thing.
Speaker 10: Like he didn't want to like be around people, and
Speaker 10: like he would like lock himself in his room and stuff.
Speaker 10: Like he almost like suffered from depression and stuff like
Speaker 10: that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he struggled again. Those demons got him at the end.
Speaker 1: He just couldn't shake off the death of his mother,
Speaker 1: Jesse's divorce from Priscilla, the addictions, I mean, it really
Speaker 1: got to him. But he loved being alone. One of
Speaker 1: his favorite rituals. He could sit alone in his room
Speaker 1: with a candle and he could meditate himself back in
Speaker 1: the wo and he can go even deeper into creation.
Speaker 1: So he had all these exercises. And I mean they
Speaker 1: say on his fortieth birthday, his girlfriend said he just
Speaker 1: sat alone in his room. He just didn't feel like celebrating.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big themes of the book
Speaker 1: is that of Paul le I get this from Paul
Speaker 1: Levy his books on Watiko is the wounded healer. You
Speaker 1: find in many cultures around the world, all over the globe.
Speaker 1: The shaman is somebody who's been broken, they've had a
Speaker 1: near death experience, they've had trauma, they're diseased, and this
Speaker 1: opens the channels of communication and this person becomes the
Speaker 1: shaman and they can heal you, not despite their wounds
Speaker 1: and their trauma, but because of it. And they feel
Speaker 1: in their heads that if I heal my trauma, I
Speaker 1: will lose my powers and I can't serve the tribe,
Speaker 1: I can't be the person who heals you. And it's
Speaker 1: very tragic. And see that, I mean, we see that
Speaker 1: with Rock stars all the time. It's they're tragedy, they're wounds.
Speaker 1: We know they're going to die and implode, but they
Speaker 1: keep healing us and giving us good music. And that's
Speaker 1: the wounded healer trope. And in fact, as I show
Speaker 1: in my book, in certain cultures, the shaman always ends
Speaker 1: up as a drug addict, broken down, fat old guy,
Speaker 1: because not only are you the wounded healer, but you're
Speaker 1: carrying these energies, these powers. You're going to the spirit
Speaker 1: world there you bingo exactly, and it just destroys you.
Speaker 1: And the tribe's like, well, that's your job. You know,
Speaker 1: you need a shaman. And the shaman's like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I signed up for. I'm going to die young.
Speaker 1: But you know it's at it just happened. And I
Speaker 1: say Elvis was our shaman. He was the one that
Speaker 1: had to pay the price to heal us.
Speaker 4: The oh you know you had mentioned real real quick.
Speaker 4: Kind of got lost on the thought when you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: Did you say something about him having an experience like
Speaker 4: with the womb and.
Speaker 5: Meditating with a candle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've actually mentioned that experience myself on the show
Speaker 4: a few times. Yeah, yeah, that one of my experiences.
Speaker 4: Was just meditating across from a candle and like, yeah
Speaker 4: to where I was like, I went somewhere else, and
Speaker 4: when I wherever, whenever I came out of my meditation,
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that was like I honestly thought
Speaker 4: I had that experience.
Speaker 5: It was really fucking weird.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, so when you just said that now, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, I was like, I guess I'm not.
Speaker 5: The only person saying that shit.
Speaker 1: Scared to try it.
Speaker 5: It's very weird. I'm I'm sure I've probably.
Speaker 4: Mentioned it on somebody's show here actually.
Speaker 7: Talk to them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I've maybe mentioned it. Well, that's
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 4: I remember having a certain visual and just like the
Speaker 4: way I felt, and afterwards I was like, the only
Speaker 4: thing that makes sense is that that was like me
Speaker 4: and the womb. It was just really or It's like
Speaker 4: I had this knowing that that's what it was when
Speaker 4: I came out of the meditation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Elvis was ubsurd. He was obsessed with birth
Speaker 1: and death. I mean he he used to go to
Speaker 1: Morgues for fun and yeah, he went with Priscilla all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 12: They watch on a date.
Speaker 8: Let's yeah, he's doing somethingwhere there he's a guy that.
Speaker 1: One he gets freak heer he one time they that's.
Speaker 6: Tell me he's a necrophile.
Speaker 1: No, no, he saw there was a dead baby, and
Speaker 1: Priscilla starts crying. So they both sit there just praying
Speaker 1: forever for this child's soul to go there. And he
Speaker 1: used to have he would have. He loved watching dead
Speaker 1: people be embalmed, including friends, and he would just sit
Speaker 1: there and but but that's that's the job of the shaman.
Speaker 1: They have to know death and burial. He used to
Speaker 1: love hanging around at cemetery. He's a watching horror movies.
Speaker 1: Just that's what he did for fun. In fact, guess
Speaker 1: what after the the Tate La Bianca murder murders. Guess
Speaker 1: who showed up at the Clo house a few days later?
Speaker 1: El Elvis.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, he dude, I don't know about that. I
Speaker 6: don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he I mean. A shaman has to
Speaker 1: be around the dead and around the Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: Make a comparison from that time period. I think even
Speaker 2: generations past his death has been copy have many people
Speaker 2: have been copying him, of course, but at that time period,
Speaker 2: imagine how many people were copying him, were attempting to
Speaker 2: even but I was just looking at Jim Jones, and he,
Speaker 2: I think trying to use that whole persona to in
Speaker 2: of course a much darker way.
Speaker 6: Definitely the haircut.
Speaker 1: I can't help him see that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely got the Elvis look going on. Yeah, Miguel,
Speaker 10: I got to ask you something, and please don't get
Speaker 10: offended or kicked me off the video chat, because I
Speaker 10: just gotta ask you.
Speaker 6: All right, there are rumors, all right, rumors. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I wasn't there that.
Speaker 10: Elvis was kind of you know, he was in the
Speaker 10: Little Boys and stuff. Do you think that there's any
Speaker 10: credibility to that?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, I don't. As far as
Speaker 1: I looked, I don't see it. Again, I try to
Speaker 1: go to a reliable sort. There's so much ay to
Speaker 1: use the word misinformation because I sound like a politician,
Speaker 1: but there's so much gossipy, weird stuff, and so far
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that does that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a very it's very known that he used to get
Speaker 1: hit on by men, and he's like, hey man, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all cool. I'm not my bag. You know all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 10: So well, I have to ask just because the people
Speaker 10: who listen to my show are gonna definitely wonder why
Speaker 10: I didn't, because that's a thing.
Speaker 6: That's the thing people want people know about.
Speaker 10: That rumor, and they're like, dude, Elvis was into like
Speaker 10: he wasn't having sex with his wife, and he was
Speaker 10: probably in the Little Boys and he had like this
Speaker 10: weird femininity thing going on.
Speaker 6: So people, you know, speculated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old No, I don't see that sugge anywhere.
Speaker 1: And he was never I mean, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: person who wasn't alone. You're talking about a person whose
Speaker 1: own bodyguards to betrayed him and wrote all all tell
Speaker 1: tale all books because they wanted to bring him down.
Speaker 1: Nothing like that has ever come up. But he was friends.
Speaker 1: He was friends with bisexual guy who was friends with
Speaker 1: James Dean and May they became very close. And when
Speaker 1: his mother died, this guy actually they moved a bed
Speaker 1: in his room to watch over Elvis and all that.
Speaker 1: That's the close says. There's also a time in the
Speaker 1: army where he was very upset and he heard about
Speaker 1: this thing called aroma therapy, and again back then it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but he flew this guy in from
Speaker 1: Australia somewhere, and the guy's doing the aroma therapy and
Speaker 1: the guy grabs Elvis by the but Elvis freaked out
Speaker 1: kicked him out, and then the guy tried to blackmail
Speaker 1: him and the army got involved, you know, but he
Speaker 1: was cleared after a long investigation. So that's about as yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, that's about as exciting as
Speaker 1: it gets it. He was very friends with Liberaci, but
Speaker 1: it was very platonic. Liberaci also lost his twin, so
Speaker 1: Liberaci gave him ideas like this is how you cope
Speaker 1: with the pain, and Liberaci in the fifties like, dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta wear jumpsuits. It's the next big thing. And
Speaker 1: Elvis was like, nah it, I'll never be in fashion.
Speaker 8: And you know, well, and with the esoteric, when you're
Speaker 8: when they're studying and and I'm trying to they stop
Speaker 8: that because they're trying to keep their power. So it's
Speaker 8: like a whole thing with you know, the whole esoteric
Speaker 8: side of the studies.
Speaker 7: So that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Being like asexual, well.
Speaker 1: He was very sexual. He was very sexual. He was
Speaker 1: very hermes very but he again, I show him he's
Speaker 1: very much like the archetype of the androgine because he
Speaker 1: had his feminine and masculine powers. That's why he he
Speaker 1: was into style. He understood women. He was what which
Speaker 1: we used to call them metrosexuals and ny gen x.
Speaker 7: He was like, I don't mean he was asexual in general.
Speaker 8: I mean if he went through bouts of asexualism, it
Speaker 8: was probably because he was studying and trying to be
Speaker 8: in the purification process.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right. When he was
Speaker 1: really into spirituality, he would disengage from relationships. In fact,
Speaker 1: it used to piss women off because women would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have this notch on my bedpost called
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley. Then get to his room, he's like, can
Speaker 1: we read a book. Let's happened a lot.
Speaker 10: Hey, I'm I'm gonna get with Elvis, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 10: let's meet at the Morgue and.
Speaker 6: Do some weird like yeah, you know how to turn
Speaker 6: a girl on stuff?
Speaker 12: Char Ga. I was gonna ask when we're talking.
Speaker 13: We were talking the occult geographies of Memphis, I was
Speaker 13: gonna ask you Elvis having the infinities for for the
Speaker 13: ancient mound sites of America, Memphis deep in Mound territory,
Speaker 13: and so is his child is Mississippi. He grew up
Speaker 13: on the mound.
Speaker 8: He's my tenth cousin, and so I am Mormon heritage.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you there's some Mormon up in that boy.
Speaker 14: Like I don't know, they got that mountain low, not
Speaker 14: those rh I know.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, not as far as I know.
Speaker 1: I mean again, if he had to go anywhere, it
Speaker 1: had to be in the middle of the night. If
Speaker 1: he went anywhere, he'd have to have a big entourage.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of things Elvis just could
Speaker 1: not see he shouldn't go to. Even in the fifties,
Speaker 1: he had to stop going to church.
Speaker 7: He had because lay lines where he build his place.
Speaker 10: And dude, did you know Elvis was born on the
Speaker 10: thirty third parallel, You know all that weirdness about like
Speaker 10: people who are born on the thirty third parallel. So
Speaker 10: I don't know about that, Heidi, but like I know,
Speaker 10: he was born on like a weird child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steven Snyder, I did a show with him and
Speaker 1: he you know, he talked to But that's kind of
Speaker 1: his thing mountains and parallels and it's not my my.
Speaker 13: Forte YEA a number of conversations with Recluse. He's very,
Speaker 13: very knowledgeable in the subjects.
Speaker 1: And he goes to these places. He doesn't just write away,
Speaker 1: and he travels and he feels the energy and he
Speaker 1: digs around. So uh yeah, We've had a couple of
Speaker 1: show on Elvis to one on that and one, of
Speaker 1: course we had to have a long one to dispel
Speaker 1: the whole you know, was he was he a servant
Speaker 1: of the Jews, which, of course there's lots of literature,
Speaker 1: so we have to spend an hour of dispelling that one.
Speaker 6: What does that even mean exactly?
Speaker 13: I'm not familiar with that one. So that's an interesting
Speaker 13: interesting A.
Speaker 6: Servant of the Jews?
Speaker 5: Like what right?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was like, what is he a Hebrew slave or
Speaker 6: something like? What is supposed to.
Speaker 1: That he was, you know, created by Jewish bankers?
Speaker 7: To well, it's the Jesuits. If not, don't worry, Yeah
Speaker 7: it's somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's books written about it, on papers really,
Speaker 1: but they don't hold up to you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know, he had Jewish blood, He had very close
Speaker 1: Jewish friends, He became friends as a kid with an
Speaker 1: Orthodox rabbi. But Elvis was you know, he was his
Speaker 1: own person, owned destiny.
Speaker 7: You know, not Roy kne I hope.
Speaker 6: That wasn't a friend.
Speaker 8: That was his friend.
Speaker 7: Shut up around, I'm being an ass.
Speaker 6: I thought, oh my god, I was going to say,
Speaker 6: those two are friends. I'm getting out of this.
Speaker 11: Elvis's manager. Elvis's manager. From what I understand, he had
Speaker 11: intelligence links, he had all these He didn't have any idea.
Speaker 11: That was one of the reasons they couldn't go overseas.
Speaker 11: It was kind of a mystery as to who this
Speaker 11: guy really was.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Colonel Parker, Yes, yes, that was his manager. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 5: And I was going to ask if that was him.
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you that was a.
Speaker 1: Job by Hanks, But yeah, that was him.
Speaker 6: So, so what did you think of that movie? Did
Speaker 6: you like it? Do you think it was like historically accurate?
Speaker 1: Some things aren't some things are. You know, it briefly
Speaker 1: talks about Captain Marvel and Elvis and going to black churches,
Speaker 1: but doesn't touch on as occultism. You have to watch
Speaker 1: Sophia Coppola's movie Priscilla that spends about ten minutes Elvis
Speaker 1: driving everybody crazy with his ideas and she being furious
Speaker 1: at him and all that. But yeah, Parker, he was
Speaker 1: a carnival guy. He was He wasn't even a real colonel,
Speaker 1: and somehow he latched onto Elvis. And I talked to
Speaker 1: the book that was almost faded, because you know, you've
Speaker 1: got an alchemy, you've got armies that power, that creative,
Speaker 1: naughty power. But then you've got Saturn numbers and boundaries
Speaker 1: and all that, and they were perfect or even in
Speaker 1: Steiner with Araman and Lucifer got Lucifer the creative power,
Speaker 1: and then you've got Araman, the numbers, the boundaries. When
Speaker 1: you can get those together in the balance, anything's possible,
Speaker 1: just like the androgine. If we can get your male
Speaker 1: and female energies right, as the ancient said, you are godlike.
Speaker 1: So those two work together. And that's the story. That's
Speaker 1: one of the theories that Elvis never toured because Parker
Speaker 1: would have would have he would have gotten uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have gotten thrown in an l Salvador in
Speaker 1: prison well back then, who knows what it would have been.
Speaker 1: He would have been kicked out. But the problem too
Speaker 1: is I don't know about that because he did go
Speaker 1: to Canada in the fifties to tour. And remember Elvis
Speaker 1: was in the army for two years, and Parker had
Speaker 1: no problem staying in the United States, you know, crunch numbers,
Speaker 1: making deals. So I don't think. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you would have had a problem with Elvis touring, but
Speaker 1: I guess you would have had to explain to Elvis
Speaker 1: because that's a secret even Elvis never found out about.
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that happened in the late seventies
Speaker 1: when people finally discovered who Parker was. And it's still
Speaker 1: a mystery what his background was.
Speaker 13: Possibly Austrian, No, he was Dutch, yeah, okay, and it
Speaker 13: was somewhere over there. Yeah yeah, So I guess Austin
Speaker 13: Powers would have been furious, right, evil Dutch.
Speaker 6: Maybe it was his handler, was a handler, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was something else. I mean, it is true,
Speaker 1: this guy, I mean, Elvis made four billion dollars from
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five to nineteen think about that inflation. I
Speaker 1: mean Taylor Swift and he did. He that's money they
Speaker 1: couldn't make. He probably made that's like twenty billion dollars
Speaker 1: today and Elvis, of course just blew it, blew it,
Speaker 1: blew it. You never invested, never you just Parker made
Speaker 1: twenty percent of that. And Parker died penniless because he
Speaker 1: was such a gambling freak. I mean both, It's like
Speaker 1: they both had they both just fell apart at the end.
Speaker 9: Perhaps a good magical lesson for why he should not
Speaker 9: pursue that path of hod after forty A little magic joke.
Speaker 6: Are you saying that Elvis was a washed up loser?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 9: But it really, Uh, this is something I've been thinking
Speaker 9: about a lot, Juliet. Is like magic's really about archetypes,
Speaker 9: like a large part, like even look at above you
Speaker 9: right now, the way Nick even has it set up.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm between two polarities.
Speaker 9: So it's a lot about like how we arranged I mean,
Speaker 9: you know this, how we arranged universe around us. So,
Speaker 9: but your most powerful tools, the way you live your life,
Speaker 9: like the ritual that you embody. So right, so if
Speaker 9: Elvis is passing the point of being a prince archetype,
Speaker 9: then he should. The idea is that you would gracefully
Speaker 9: transition into one of the other male archetypes on the tree.
Speaker 9: But if you're very comfortable in the suffer, and this
Speaker 9: often happens to male magicians. They get very comfortable in
Speaker 9: the because we're denser than women. It's a it's not
Speaker 9: a slight against men. It's just like a a kind
Speaker 9: of it's a Buddhist joke, but it's it's also true
Speaker 9: in a way because women can get pregnant, so they
Speaker 9: have negative space, right, so they're considered less sense, that's
Speaker 9: really the idea.
Speaker 3: So a man should.
Speaker 9: Transition, but it's harder for us. So if we've played
Speaker 9: the prince our whole life, we're always going to draw
Speaker 9: from that saffra. That's kind of my thinking. I don't know,
Speaker 9: maybe that's maybe mec Or and Miguel will cract me,
Speaker 9: but that's sort of how I think of it. Also, Sorry, Nick, right, No,
Speaker 9: I just want to say that that also explains like
Speaker 9: what Heidi said about him, like always needing, always searching out,
Speaker 9: and even the rumor that you brought up, it would
Speaker 9: make sense that because the polarity that he would need
Speaker 9: to balance him out would be like a daughter archetype.
Speaker 9: That doesn't mean someone too young, but maybe by our
Speaker 9: conventions in twenty twenty five. It would be like a
Speaker 9: southern like what he was thinking in like the sixties
Speaker 9: in the South is obviously very different than where we're thinking.
Speaker 3: So maybe sixteen.
Speaker 9: He would like a younger girl, like some slightly androgynist perhaps,
Speaker 9: or like a Lisa Marie who's, as we discussed, very bad.
Speaker 3: She has a Babylon energy.
Speaker 6: His daughter does.
Speaker 9: Well, the wife did when they thought together, she has that.
Speaker 1: You brought it up.
Speaker 3: There was such a great point. We all agreed.
Speaker 9: The Tuesday. Weld's like, that's the she's the kind of
Speaker 9: the dark Prince.
Speaker 3: Sus to Tuesday. Well of like a queen of the stars.
Speaker 3: You could say.
Speaker 1: The one you want to watch is his granddaughter Riley Keoh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have watched the movie
Speaker 1: Under the Silver Lake, probably one of the most esoteric
Speaker 1: movies I've seen. But she's she's a she's a very
Speaker 1: accomplished actress and very powerful.
Speaker 6: Does she sing or anything?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, she's mostly an actress. I
Speaker 1: mean she's been I think she was. Was she in
Speaker 1: Once upon a Time in Hollywood? I think she was
Speaker 1: in it brief Well?
Speaker 10: Really, Oh, that's interesting because that's about like the Manson
Speaker 10: stuff and apparently Elvis uh made himself known around those parts.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, but yeah, I.
Speaker 10: Mean I've always wondered about her just because of the
Speaker 10: Michael Jackson stuff and uh yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean was it her so one that killed himself or.
Speaker 1: Brother? Yeah? Yeah, again the curse.
Speaker 8: Was saying, then again, we've got one without the other,
Speaker 8: right back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: Right exactly.
Speaker 10: Maybe they're breaking generational curses. Maybe he was the last one.
Speaker 8: And living it through it, yeah, because then he was
Speaker 8: the one that carried it on.
Speaker 7: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: It seems like if she's in esoteric films and all
Speaker 8: these different things, it just depends on what past she's on.
Speaker 5: But I don't know. You do you know if Friley
Speaker 5: is into scientology?
Speaker 1: I am not sure. I don't think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Priscilla and Lisa Marie I think left before
Speaker 1: it was they did get out. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: hope once the books starts selling and then makes the rounds,
Speaker 1: I want, I do want to reach out to her
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what do you think.
Speaker 4: The reason I asked is something I actually learned from
Speaker 4: a I have noticed it myself now that she did
Speaker 4: a movie with Tofa Grace, and I know he was
Speaker 4: in that seventies show and that was like pretty much
Speaker 4: like old scientology people.
Speaker 5: And I've noticed that a lot of.
Speaker 4: Silent scientology people tend to do movies with other scientology
Speaker 4: people Under Under the Silver Under the Silver Lake, she
Speaker 4: was ye to for Grace was in that with her.
Speaker 4: So when I saw to for Grace, I thought of
Speaker 4: Scientology and I knew we were talking about Scientology. So
Speaker 4: that's why I just asked, because I just looked up
Speaker 4: the movie now because I was like, I never heard of.
Speaker 7: That, says.
Speaker 8: She quit Scientology as of twenty twenty three and is
Speaker 8: now just spiritually not affiliated with anyone, but she has
Speaker 8: some interesting tattoos about her.
Speaker 13: Brother independent scientology, a.
Speaker 5: Mixture of all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at the movies. She was in Mad Max.
Speaker 1: She was, yeah, you guys gotta watch Under the Selah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll better check that out.
Speaker 1: Sasquash Sunset, I don't know she played Sasquatch or he
Speaker 1: was in that movie. It was an Amazon where it's
Speaker 1: like a rip off of Fleetwood mag I forget what's
Speaker 1: the name of it. But yeah, she's been in a
Speaker 1: lot of movies. I'm just looking over here.
Speaker 5: Uh, was there anything else that anybody wanted to ask
Speaker 5: before we wrap it up?
Speaker 7: Super interesting?
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, hidie me instructure.
Speaker 9: I'll just say I do think that the badge thing
Speaker 9: was interesting from a magical perspective. You could consider like
Speaker 9: badges to have a kind of kubalistic or Masonic, which
Speaker 9: is obviously also kabbala, just in a different, slightly different
Speaker 9: maybe context. But yeah, so if you had the collection
Speaker 9: of badges, you could also like that the collection of
Speaker 9: degrees like magic order degrees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 11: The police are the widow's sons too?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would agree, there's no help for the widows JJ.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, is that is that another Mormon thing too? Yes?
Speaker 11: Mo, yeah, she said.
Speaker 8: That's the last words of Joseph's Steah, it really was
Speaker 8: allegedly really.
Speaker 6: Wait what was it? What was his last words?
Speaker 8: It's a Masonic cry for help, it's is there no
Speaker 8: help for the widow's son? And he was a Mason.
Speaker 8: But also he was screwing everybody's wife, so they.
Speaker 15: Were kind of uh.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but apparently so was Elvis. Right, he was screwing
Speaker 10: everybody's wife and.
Speaker 5: More of your times that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Wow, I wonder I have I have a question. I wonder,
Speaker 2: Uh you mentioned the non touch healing that again? Now,
Speaker 2: actually I want I bet all of us have experienced
Speaker 2: raiki at least here right, that's a.
Speaker 15: Common non touch healing practice.
Speaker 2: I wonder what is one of the more striking experiences
Speaker 2: of maybe the non touch healing or just in general
Speaker 2: of his telepathic powers were one of those stories that
Speaker 2: were really striking.
Speaker 1: God, there's so many, yeah, I mean, he was able
Speaker 1: to manipulate weather, he could make objects move again, astral travel,
Speaker 1: stories of him creating force fields. God, there's so many.
Speaker 1: But the healing was very important to him because of
Speaker 1: where he came from. So he was just a healing freak,
Speaker 1: and it was mostly The blue light is very important
Speaker 1: throughout the book. When Elvis was born, his father went
Speaker 1: outside to have a cigarette and this blue alien light
Speaker 1: appeared over the house and froze all sound and the
Speaker 1: wind stopped and Vernon, his father freaked out. He was
Speaker 1: having a cigarette, ran in while Gladys was having it
Speaker 1: was in labor. So the blue light followed. And you
Speaker 1: see that all through Elvis's life, you know, you see
Speaker 1: blue and so many of his songs. His biggest hits
Speaker 1: were like Blue Hawaii and Gi Blues. The day he died,
Speaker 1: he was wearing blue pajamas. Oh this blue light. I
Speaker 1: show him the book as blue is everywhere. When he healed,
Speaker 1: he would always imagine a blue light. And I've done
Speaker 1: shows with like James True on the Blue Light. You know,
Speaker 1: humans only discovered the blue light a few thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: and people with blue eyes are freaks. We only appeared
Speaker 1: later in history because of some catasum. Yeah yeah, green too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd have to put green too, but blue was important.
Speaker 1: So he was a healing beast. I mean, Priscilla says
Speaker 1: he could heal her headaches at a touch. He could
Speaker 1: heal people's hurt. Backs did, and then sometimes they were
Speaker 1: just incredible. Like one time they were in Colorado snow
Speaker 1: hoarding and they're having fun and one a person is
Speaker 1: an untourage, hits a pole, breaks his leg and they're
Speaker 1: all freaking out. We gotta take him to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and Il was like pushes him back, like I don't
Speaker 1: have time for this, puts his hands on his legs
Speaker 1: and heals his broken leg. There was another time where
Speaker 1: he's driving around in his Limo and Memphis, and he
Speaker 1: sees a bus over the sidewalk and the drivers outside
Speaker 1: like grabbing his chest having a heart attack, and Elvis
Speaker 1: goes up to him, puts his hand, You're gonna be
Speaker 1: all right, and he does, you know again the blue
Speaker 1: light healing and heals him from his heart attack. He
Speaker 1: could heal a friend of his his child had a
Speaker 1: really bad fever. Elvis, like Russis, leaves his house, goes
Speaker 1: to his friend's house and puts his hand on the
Speaker 1: kid and the fever breaks. I mean, it's just the
Speaker 1: instances are baffling, and they're a lot, and they're incredible.
Speaker 1: And again there were always eye witnesses there. There was
Speaker 1: you know, two or three people present when Elvis was
Speaker 1: doing his That is incredible. But he couldn't heal himself again,
Speaker 1: you just couldn't. He did use certain tekene, like once
Speaker 1: he had a sore throat and he used some theosophical
Speaker 1: Alice Bailey's spell and he was able to heal his
Speaker 1: throat and this and that. But for the most part, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did it for other people.
Speaker 6: That's the kind of guy you want to have around geez.
Speaker 7: That sure, they're usually a hot mess. Though, I'm just
Speaker 7: saying if.
Speaker 1: He geared a hangover so after Saturday night wonders terrific.
Speaker 6: Guy, I'm on board.
Speaker 4: That's too I get into it too much because we
Speaker 4: all wrapping it up. But I would even think we go.
Speaker 4: Haven't you even noticed sometimes some sort of blue light
Speaker 4: experience even amongst occultist stories.
Speaker 1: Very predominant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you will hear about that every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and UFO encounter. Yeah yeahn is always on this ship.
Speaker 1: Whitley stream talks about when the visitors come, a blue
Speaker 1: light would appear. So I'm doing the research, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this blue thing is all over the place.
Speaker 1: And occultism, yourthology, mysticism, Krishna was blue. You just see
Speaker 1: it everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something interesting with that. But uh, thank you well
Speaker 4: again for coming on. That was really interesting talk. That
Speaker 4: was amazing, Miguel. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Real quick, Miguel.
Speaker 4: Let everybody know where they can find your stuff and
Speaker 4: whatever you want to plug please.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, and thanks for great questions.
Speaker 12: Guys.
Speaker 1: You did a great job. I really appreciate it. Good
Speaker 1: convo right now. I would send people to just Miguel
Speaker 1: Connor dot com. My name because you go to the
Speaker 1: website and it's like two roads. One is the a
Speaker 1: on Bite my gnostics stuff. The other one is my
Speaker 1: you know, sub stack, Elvis books all that. So send
Speaker 1: people to Miguel Connor dot com and decide where do
Speaker 1: you want to go. Can subscribe to my substack, order
Speaker 1: the book online, or look at all my social media
Speaker 1: so that's the place to go.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you so much, my man. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Everybody else, I'll you know, you can check this stuff out.
Speaker 4: Their links are in the bottom.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That is the end of another Occult Rejects and until
Speaker 4: the next one, everybody be well later.